maddlerbut the package wasn't there...12:28
PriceChildhehe :)12:28
maddlersome _maybe_ something went wrong during upgrade...12:28
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VessquireIs there a headquarters for Canonical? Where whoever says release sits?12:28
PriceChildVessquire, canonical is registered on the isle of man12:28
maddlerVessquire: on a boat in the middle of the ocean...12:28
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PriceChildVessquire, a tax haven off of england12:28
maddleris the isle of man a tax heaven?12:29
maddlerdoh... didn't knew that...12:29
d4rkyEmxBA, I think I have UTC+1 but I'm not sure12:29
d4rkyarr, not UTC+1 :P12:29
sotec_If I were to use a program like PartImage to copy the entire image of my OS, and copy it over to a larger hard drive, as long as i copy it starting with the first sector of my new hard drive, would Feisty boot up like it does now? Or is it smarter to just install Feisty onto the new hdd, copy over my /var and /home folders, which would mean losing all of my configurations/menu settings/extra installed programs, etc?12:30
d4rkygeez, i'm tired. UTC+1 and eot12:30
VessquireI doubt whoever is on the isle of man though12:30
PriceChildmost canonical people work from home12:31
PriceChildwell not most12:31
Amaranththe location you're looking for is london12:31
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PriceChildits not registered there though12:31
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Amaranthbut it's not going to happen at midnight their time12:31
mc44Amaranth: actually norway is the key country12:31
Amaranthit's probably not going to happen for another 6 hours at least :P12:32
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Amaranthmc44: why is that?12:32
mc44Amaranth: as Mithrandir is release manager12:32
Amaranthah, right12:32
Amaranthwell, i still don't think it'll happen at any special time12:32
EmxBAnice, Amaranth  :)12:32
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PriceChildeveryone always hopes...12:32
maddlerAmaranth: true...12:32
Vessquire6 hours will be midnight EST12:32
PriceChildnever does12:32
maddlerit will be released "tomorrow" :)12:33
AmaranthVessquire: actually it'll be 12:30 am EDT12:33
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VessquireEDT, you're right.. I'm used to the old Indiana time12:33
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Amaranth12:33 am EDT if you want to be anal :)12:33
VessquireIts a bit unnerving the way the Herd 6 and the RC were skipped though12:33
Amaranth6 hours is closer to my midnight :P12:33
jashmc44: 00_33 here :)12:34
Amaranth#ubuntu is going to be full of people bitching about compiz12:34
maddlerAmaranth: hahahahaha... true!12:34
mc44jash: :)12:34
uvercinka hi. when will be feisty fawn will be released12:34
Amaranththe last upload feisty got for compiz broke it so badly12:34
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maddlerand my phone will keep ringing all day long!12:34
crdlbI think the topic needs to be redone in CAPS :)12:34
mc44Amaranth: really? how?12:34
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Amaranthmc44: how would you like to have 1 panel?12:35
Amaranthlike, it only shows on your first workspace12:35
EmxBAI'm going to sleep now :) and get some batteries for next 24 hours of waiting for Feisty ;)12:35
mc44Amaranth: ah, i fixed that in gnome-compiz-preferences I think12:35
mc44Amaranth: assumed it was my fault12:35
Amaranthmc44: not something you can fix in gnome-compiz-preferences...12:36
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cablesAre bugs going to continue to be fixed after release?12:36
cablesIt seems like a sort of hectic, rushed release to me, no offense..12:36
Amaranthyou're talking about only having one workspace, i'm talking about only having a panel on the first workspace12:36
mc44Amaranth: worked for me...12:36
gnomefreakcables: security fixes only12:36
Amaranthcables: not for compiz12:36
mc44Amaranth: oh maybe I am confused12:36
cablesWill they do something like thay did for 6.06 (6.06.1)?12:36
mc44Amaranth: I have one long workspace, which takes the space of 4 normal ones12:36
gnomefreak6.06 == LTS12:36
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crdlbonly if they missed someting big :)12:37
cablesgnomefreak, will they fix ANY bugs at all besides security?12:37
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gnomefreakcables: depends on importance12:37
LjLsee feisty-updates12:37
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mc44Amaranth: have you got a bug no for the problem?12:39
shoot^was the gnome control center removed from feisty? im running the beta and have the cascading menus...12:40
crdlbshoot^, you can add it back in alacarte I think12:40
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jpsamaraUbuntu is down... release is comming12:40
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shoot^crdlb - i see, so its not *actually* in feisty by default?12:40
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Angeluzshoot^: Mine is enabled.12:41
shoot^hmmm :S12:41
maddlerjpsamara: also consider how many ppl are trying to access that site... ;)12:41
mc44jpsamara: er... I doubt it12:41
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crdlbshoot^, you just have to check it in the menu editor12:41
shoot^ah, seen :)12:41
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melonmaddler: I do ;)12:41
melonbut is't down...12:42
boricuais there a time for the release tomorrow?12:42
mc44boricua: see topic12:42
concept10what is up with people asking everyday about the release?  What you have now is pretty much final.12:42
melonouh, after a while OLD ubuntu.com appeared!12:43
concept10Why wait until tommorw, or even next week?12:43
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jpsamaratomorrow = today at UTC12:44
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melonI guess to many people trying to open it. Maybe better luck tomorrow at UTC ?12:44
maddlerconcept10: infact I just finished upgrading...12:44
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maddlerconcept10: also considering tomorrow repositories will be overloaded... ;)12:45
d4rky-pl15 minutest to UTC 0:0012:45
peter771 day until release12:45
concept10maddler, thats a good thought12:45
concept10I don't know why people wait until final release.  It's not like 2000 bugs will be squashed before then.12:46
concept10Its almost like kids waiting for Christmas12:46
peter77lol, ubuntu fiesty was pretty stable in beta12:46
concept10lined up at the tree :)12:46
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sotec_prodso much infact, that I want to transfer my entire setup to another hard drive12:48
=== os2mac had some problems with individual packages but nothing major.
concept10Its good to update early in my opinion.  When stuff breaks, you learn more about the system12:48
sotec_prodguess I should see if the harddrive is even accessable first.12:48
sotec_prodsame here os2mac12:48
os2macanyone got a wag on when the dist upgrade will be avail?12:48
maddlerconcept10: I know... ;)12:49
os2macthought it was 19th?12:49
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sotec_prodi don't know, either way, it's close12:50
sotec_prodi doubt i'll have it on the exact day it releases12:50
aaroncampbellI think I have a folder shared via nfs...how would I mount it from another computer?12:50
sotec_prodis it coming in the form of an upgrade or an official fresh download/install?12:50
crdlbaaroncampbell, put it in your /etc/fstab12:50
maddlerdamn... a little help... there was an app... which basically made gnome/GTK apps using kde/QT theme... but can't recall its name!!!12:51
sotec_prodAquamarine or somehting12:51
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sotec_prodand helios is the gnome gtk one12:51
maddlersotec_prod: no... that will only apply to window decorations...12:51
sotec_prodor heliodor12:51
maddlerbut font sizes won't match...12:51
viois the Rc out yet?12:51
crdlbmaddler, gtk-qt engine?12:51
crdlbsomething like that12:51
sotec_proddunno then12:51
mc44vio: see the link in the topic12:51
maddlercrdlb: yup...12:52
maddlerlemme google with that...12:52
maddlercrdlb: great! thank you...12:52
maddlerif someone cares...12:52
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viook.. i just bought the Sound Blaster audiogy 2zs notebook (pcmcia) how to install ?12:53
aaroncampbellcrdlb: how about for a one time thing?12:53
aaroncampbellcrdlb: is there just a way using the mount command?12:54
maddlerconcept10: yep... is good to upgrade early... but not when you need to have your laptop always working... ;)12:54
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concept10maddler, ive done it for two years now.. on main laptop..  every time it's broken (usually something with X) ive been able to fix12:54
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concept10maddler, it's only made my knowledge stronger12:55
NemesisDis ubuntu.com slashdotted or something?12:55
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maddlerconcept10: yep... I know... but sometime you need time to fix it...12:55
maddlerNemesisD: well... maybe...12:55
NemesisDi think on their time feisty fawn should be released, i'm trying to get my grubby hands on it :[12:55
concept10maddler, yeah, and I guess sometimes you dont have time :)12:55
crdlb!nfs | aaroncampbell12:55
ubotuaaroncampbell: nfs is the network file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS.12:55
Centaur5My nvidia driver is working correctly and I can run xconfig and do dual displays but glxinfo says extension glx is missing. Xorg log is here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16324/12:56
NemesisDis there somewhere else i should be looking?12:56
maddlerconcept10: right... I know I can fix... but sometime I can't wait to fix...12:56
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concept10maddler, yeah, i agree12:56
maddlerbtw... today I did a whole-disk backup with partimage... :)12:56
sotec_prodguess i'll try that hard drive, see if it's savable.12:57
crdlbCentaur5, did you use the ubuntu packages?12:57
maddlerso if something went wrong with upgrade I would have been able to restore..12:57
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Centaur5crdlb: Yes, I install nvidia-glx yesterday12:57
crdlbCentaur5, on what video card?12:57
Centaur5crdlb: mobile 730012:57
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crdlbCentaur5, you ought to use nvidia-glx-new12:58
concept10maddler, Ive been on this same install since Hoary.. Im amazed that it still works...  I think its time for a fresh install, but I feel comfortable with this one12:58
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maddlerconcept10: same here...12:58
Centaur5crdlb: haha, when did they start using that package?12:58
crdlbCentaur5, a couple of weeks ago12:58
maddlerand I also moved it on different laptops... :)12:58
misfit_toysince hoary here too12:58
EleafDoes anybody here know a way to pipe something from a windows machine into my pulseaudio sound server on my linux machine?12:58
maddlerconcept10: hehehe... so... yes! it's amazing it still work! :D12:59
Centaur5crdlb: Oops, I didn't get the memo.  :)12:59
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concept10im thinking the cruft is starting to build up, but I could be wrong12:59
maddlerconcept10: as long as everything works fine...12:59
NemesisDis there some other mirror other than ubuntu.com (which is just impossible to access right now) where I can download the feisty isos?01:00
Centaur5crdlb: Will there be a new config utility as well?01:00
concept10I hate when you remove applications and they leave junk behind.. I dont care if its one file.01:00
d4rky-plDING!!! 0:00 GMT if i'm counting right01:00
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mc44d4rky-pl: doesnt mean its getting released yet01:00
NemesisDmc44, WHAAA?01:00
mc44and you arent counting right01:00
mc44@now utc01:00
ubotuCurrent time in Etc/UTC: April 18 2007, 23:00:42 - Next meeting: Development Team in 15 hours 59 minutes01:00
d4rky-pli forgot01:00
aaroncampbellthanks crdlb ....reading01:00
crdlbCentaur5, it has a better nvidia-settings01:00
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crdlbCentaur5, nvidia-xconfig is mostly the same afaik though01:01
os2mac@now EDT01:01
mc44NemesisD: it isnt going to be released at midnight. At least not midnight utc01:01
Centaur5crdlb: Okay, well it just installed so I'll reboot x and see what happens then come back with the results.01:01
maddlerd4rky-pl: it's not x-mas night! ;)01:01
welshchrisYup, currently 23.00 GMT, or 0.00  BST01:01
d4rky-plmaddler, stfu :P01:01
mc44!stfu | d4rky-pl01:02
ubotud4rky-pl: Words like noob, jfgi, stfu or rtfm are not welcome in this channel. Period.01:02
d4rky-plI just forgot about daylight saving time01:02
os2mac@now New_york01:02
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NemesisDmc44, why the heck not :(01:02
d4rky-plmc44, that was just a joke, don't get paranoid or smth01:02
mc44d4rky-pl: I am not paranoid :)01:02
mc44NemesisD: why should it be?01:02
concept10I can't take it anymore, the release happy crowd is getting on my nerves.01:02
d4rky-plyaay, release the evil! (Little Nicky)01:03
NemesisDmc44, because the counter alluded to it being released then01:03
mc44concept10: well, only another 10 or so hours of that :)01:03
maddlerconcept10: hehehehe... and you'll see tomorrow...01:03
nomasteryodayippie!! releasee, happy happy, joy joy01:03
GluE_omg when will there bee balloons and cake and candles to blow out!?01:03
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nomasteryodaon a side note, other pc users are switching to debian01:03
concept10I have an idea!  Lets bug everyone on when the release will be and start downloading at the _same_ time and have slow download speeds!  How genius!01:03
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d4rky-plI bought a large, 1 kg frozen pizza to celebrate release of 7.0401:04
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phiregreat idea01:04
CVirusIn how many hours will I be able to upgrade to feisty ?01:04
welshchris<grin>  just revel in it.  didn't have this 10 years ago when I was downloading the new release of slack =/01:04
CVirusoops .. just read the topic01:04
concept10CarinArr, 2801:04
NemesisDyou seem like a very jaded person, concept10 ;)01:04
d4rky-plconcept10, i have a automatic script to download it when it'll come anyway01:04
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ceil420i was gonna wait til the 20th to get Feisty01:04
maddlerCVirus: less than 48 I'd say... :)01:04
ceil420but i couldn't, so i got it yesterday01:05
concept10NemesisD, scroll up and see how many times its been asked in the last 10 mins01:05
darwinWhen I try to play a video with mplayer I get the error message: "Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device"01:05
concept10Feisty will be released in 8 more days I heard.01:05
crdlbdarwin, try setting the video out to Xv01:05
phireI'm just going to get a new laptop, when it comes out, should I download live cd, or the other one01:05
crdlbdarwin, are you using the gui version?01:05
darwincrdlb: yes01:05
NemesisDif it won't be out for 8 more days perhaps it wasn't wise that they put a counter on the front age01:06
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crdlbdarwin, ok right click, preferences, video tab, select xv, then click ok01:06
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jdrakeconcept10: Some movies are just too painful to contemplate.01:06
maddlerconcept10: LOL!01:07
welshchrisWhenever it's being released, looks like the Ubuntu webservers are being hit hard - slow response at the mo01:07
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maddlerconcept10: last night an idiot phoned me at home... at 3.30am... asking if there were any problem with a web site I host!01:07
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jdrakeBest try slashdot or reddit. They will be right quick with the answer.01:07
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mcphailwelshchris: well, don't keep pressing "reload" on your browser :)01:07
enycwas that feisty-changes ??01:07
phirewelsgchris: because its the 19th in almost half the world now01:07
darwincrdlb: Thank you! that worked01:08
mc44enyc: I doubt it01:08
concept10Guess what the only upgrade that is waiting to be pulled down?  _opera_  !! Opera is going to instantly change my system into a Fawn!01:08
enycim looking in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/feisty-changes/2007-April/date.html but I cant see it there yet... **did anybody else just get a  "accepted libx11-" something... ?01:08
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mc44enyc: security update for dapper/edgy01:08
mc44enyc: calm down :)01:08
jdraked4rky-pl: blasphemy will have no place here01:08
ceil420lol jdrake01:08
welshchris<grin>  think I'll leave it a while before I upgrade, anyway.  Everything works right now01:08
ceil420t's wot i was thinkin' :p01:08
concept10maddler, I would have hung up on them01:08
phireand it will be the 20th in newzealand before it gets released01:08
darwincrdlb: also when I try to play an RMVB file in Totem it doesn't work even though I installed the w32codecs from Medibuntu01:09
enycmc44: aaah ok ;-)01:09
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crdlbdarwin, you also need to install gstreamer0.10-pitfdll01:10
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maddlerconcept10: I did... but it was too late... my wife and my dughter weren't happy...01:11
darwincrdlb: that still didn't work01:11
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tiagoboldtwill it still be released today?01:13
concept10maddler, check this screenshot, it proves feisty has been released: http://img265.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotle7.png01:14
maddlerlemme see...01:15
concept10heh :)01:15
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maddlerhmmm... any clue from where Kmilo can be accessed?01:17
Centaur5crdlb: Now I can't get x to start when attempting to use the nvidia driver.01:17
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viohiya guys01:18
crdlbCentaur5, oh joy01:18
d4rky-plconcept10, rotflmao01:18
crdlbCentaur5, did you reboot?01:18
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Centaur5crdlb: Just x, you want me to reboot the entire machine?01:18
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viocan you let me know when 1 of you are free to help me.. need support on a pcmcia sound card01:18
crdlbCentaur5, yeah that'd be good :)01:18
crdlbyou're switching versions of the nvidia module01:18
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Centaur5crdlb: Okay, it's doing it now01:19
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GeekChick|Will Feisty Fawn be available through dist-upgrade from Ubuntu 6.10 when it's released or does that usually take a couple days extra compared to the ISO releases? I only ask because I've never been online near a release.01:21
mc44GeekChick|: yes it will be available. Dont use apt dist-upgrade to upgrade however01:21
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GeekChick|mc44, will the update agent in notification area update immediately or take many more hours, or do I just have to grab the ISO when it's released and use the CD as a package source.01:22
GeekChick|im just wondering which is usually faster01:22
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mc44GeekChick|: no the update agent will be immediate01:22
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viohi again01:24
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vioconcept10: ?01:25
concept10vio, that wasnt aimed at you01:25
vioahh, ok01:25
mc44yeah he is just doing !topic whenever anyone joins :p01:26
vioQuestion: Can anyone help me "select" my proper sound card coz the pref->sound doesn't manage to do this01:26
Winballseems like ubuntu.com is kinda slow now01:26
Centaur5crdlb: Worked like a charm!  Thanks for the info.  I never would have thought that the new nvidia driver would need a system reboot.01:26
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pyr0000so when will it be released?01:27
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pyr0000so when its released01:28
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pyr0000so it will be released when it is released?01:28
viohow long should i wait before i repost my question?01:28
pyr0000so for my new laptop should i start the install process of egdy and get it working which will take a day or so or should i hold out?01:29
concept10vio, Prefs > Multimedia Systems Selector01:29
gradinanybody know whats going on with this W: GPG error: http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org feisty Release: Unknown error executing gpgv01:29
WinballClean feisty install and about 1TB free hddspace01:29
gradini get that when i sudo apt-get update01:29
vioconcept10: no such thing in my menu01:30
mcphailpyr0000: any new install is likely to be a little slow for a few days. The servers will be melting01:30
concept10vio, its probably disabled in the menu (which is stupid), check your menu editor, or run gstreamer-properties from the command line01:30
aska1hrm.. is http://www.ubuntu.com/ down? :S01:31
Winballaska1 no01:31
vioconcept10: ok, i'll try that :)01:31
gradingpg --no-default-keyring --primary-keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg --recv01:31
pyr0000is there somewhere that expanes the diff n edgy or feisty?01:31
aska1Winball: okok01:31
gradini knwo whats causing it now01:31
Winballaska1 Had problem joining too, try now01:31
concept10vio, or alt+f2 gstreamer properties01:31
gradinmy bios battery died so the date is set at 200101:31
concept10pyr0000, goto the website or the wiki and read all about it01:31
gradinmeaning the gpg keys are invalid01:31
pyr0000the website is kinda down01:31
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concept10pyr0000, goto the wiki01:32
pyr0000or just overloaded01:32
Shiner_ManSo, I currently have edgy installed on my laptop and wanted to upgrade to 7.04 using the cd.01:32
vioconcept10: thanks it worked like a charm, will i be needing to do this at every restart?01:32
pyr0000will feisty fix the no wireless after update?01:32
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concept10vio, shouldnt have to01:32
misfit_toyisn't everyone here already running the beta? why the big brouhaha over today?01:32
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vioconcept10: thanks, got time for another question?01:33
Shiner_ManIs it just me or shouldn't there be an "update" part during the install01:33
mc44misfit_toy: because people are people01:33
concept10vio, Check the menu editor and see if it is disabled01:33
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misfit_toymc44, some are and some aren't! heheh01:33
McAfee|awayA power cut, caused me to have a failed upgrade, what's the best way to recover?01:33
concept10vio, because if so I or you need to report a bug01:33
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Crazytomi installed feisty a few weeks ago and i'm wondering what the difference between an updated beta version and an official fresh install is?01:35
concept10Crazytom, bugfixes01:35
Crazytomwouldn't i get those by installing the updates?01:35
jStefancould i use a livecd to recover from a failed upgrade?01:36
concept10Crazytom, yes01:36
mc44Crazytom: there is no difference01:36
Crazytomgood i don't want to install thunderbird again01:36
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vioconcept10:  there are definitly probs with the "sounds"01:37
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concept10vio, what do you mean01:37
Crazytomdownloading 3 years of e-mail from gmail is a giant pita01:37
concept10Crazytom, fills your drive too01:37
viothe login/out sounds won't disable for starters.. therfore other sounds will also not disable01:37
NemesisDhmm i think the mirrors for feisty are starting to become available01:37
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concept10vio, Prefs > Sound, second check box01:38
CrazytomNemesisD, when will it be available?  noonish? or morning?01:38
mc44Crazytom: see the topic :)01:39
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Crazytomsry didn't check that today01:39
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vioconcept10: doesn't work (i put "no sound" on all the boxes") i still keep getting the anoying login/out sounds01:39
NemesisDi have no idea im just kinda looking around the ubuntu forums and i'm seeing a few links01:39
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concept10vio, try to select no sound for that even01:40
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NemesisDword on the street is that http://ubuntu.virginmedia.com/releases/.pool/ubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso is the final (non-beta) version :/01:41
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vioconcept10: i did the following 1: pref -> sound 2:  2.nd box "sounds" but "no sound" on ALL the items (log out: No sound) (Log in: No Sound) - that didn't work, so i turned off the "play system sounds" it's still coming on every log-in01:42
concept10vio, you can always erase the file01:42
viogot the command for that?01:42
viothat i can enter in the terminal01:43
Stormx2Feisty rawks :D01:43
NemesisDdang im getting 628KB/s on this, i hope to god it isn't beta01:43
boricuaconcept10:wget url01:44
concept10vio, cd to /usr/share/sounds and start wacking them with sudo rm <soundyoudontlike>.wav01:44
docMuertohttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/20070418/ <-------- last last01:44
vioconcept10: thank's, i'll do that. is there a way to upgrade to the rc1 from the beta or do i need a fresh install01:44
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concept10vio, yep... you can upgrade01:45
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NemesisDdocMuerto, thats final yes?01:45
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vioconcept10: sweet, how?01:45
mc44NemesisD: the final is when it is released01:45
docMuertoNemesisD,  ok01:45
mc44NemesisD: which it isnt yet01:45
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[Al] how about now01:46
mc44[Al] : ha. ha. :01:46
[Al] :>01:46
docMuertoNemesisD,   look http://linux.cymaho.com/bajando-feisty-18Abril.png01:46
concept10NemesisD, for goodness sake, just grab it already01:46
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[Al] OK bai!01:46
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viogreat :)01:47
vioconcept10: thanks for the help :)01:47
Noah0504Everyone excited about the release of Feisty in a few hours?01:47
NemesisDtheres a pretty big size descrepency between your version and mine, i'll trust yours docMuerto01:47
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GeekChick|Hah, how fitting. Ubuntu.com is down for me01:48
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rerushgcan't get into Ubuntu site. is it down? overloaded?01:48
Zancatoverloaded I believe01:48
jgthat was an "exciting" upgrade....01:48
vioconcept10: i got the feisty (beta) but there is a rc1 right? upgrade from feisty beta to ->rc101:48
jgI hate "excitement".01:48
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Noah0504I'm sure the forums will be down by morning as well.01:49
jgalong with lots of people's systems, like mine was....01:49
concept10vio, Upgrades work like this:  What ever they put on the servers is the newest content (packages) when you upgrade, you will have the latest versions.01:49
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rerushgeveryone queueing up for Fiesty final, eh? What time?01:50
jdrakererushg: 6:6601:50
jgrerushg: I wouldn't recommend randoms upgrade right now, that's for sure.....01:50
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vioconcept10: is there a way to check if i got the "rc"? i did download something, just don't know what it was01:51
NemesisDdocMuerto, good mirror btw!01:51
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docMuertoNemesisD,  thanks01:51
Noah0504rerushg: I'm preparing by just downloading the RC, haha.01:51
GeekChick|I see several mirrors starting to update their feisty directories.01:51
jgdoing an upgrade on my laptop from edgy ended me up with a useless fstab....01:51
rerushggot it.... thanks...01:52
concept10vio, no way to tell.. its all about the packages01:52
concept10vio, cat /etc/lsb_release01:52
viook, thanks again01:52
Stofferhmm...I can connect to my wireless network in roaming mode, but manually it won't connect.  Do I have to do anything after I set it up to get it to connect?01:52
Patrick_could anyone tell me why the my laptop hangs when I choose to log out??? annoyingly I have to hold down the power button to turn it off then restart!01:52
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LJ_vio, you could always do an md5 check on the file you've downloaded against the md5s that come with the release, that'll show if you have the right iso01:54
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Stofferok I'm back, did anyone reply to my networking query?01:55
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jgso, who might care that my fstab was pretty broken after upgrading to feisty from edgy?01:56
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PriceChildjg, did you by any chance edit your fstab by removing UUIDs ?01:57
Stofferwhere can I get the driver that lets ubuntu read an ntfs partition?01:57
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PriceChildStoffer, included by default01:58
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mipsStoffer, how did it go ?01:58
jgPriceChild: not that I know of: my home directory/partition ended up without a UUID, and referencing hda2, rather than sda2...01:58
Stoffermips, everything's running fine01:58
mipsStoffer, good to hear01:58
PriceChildjg, well edgy would have used UUIDs... so I'm guessing you must have removed them01:59
Stoffermips, it didn't ask my about my windows, it just added it to GRUB automatically01:59
jgPriceChild: I just spent the last half hour figuring out what was broken...01:59
mipsStoffer, ok, as long as it works ;) I think that happens in the alternate cd01:59
jgPriceChild: could be: but the result is pretty catastrophic.01:59
Stoffermips, the only issue I'm having is with my wireless connection now.  It won't connect when I set it up manually.01:59
PriceChildjg, not really... just needs a live cd to edit a single file and correct your mistakes01:59
jgPriceChild: it was upgraded from dapper a long time ago.02:00
Stofferis there anything I need to do to "kick" it once it's configured?02:00
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jgPriceChild: I'm saying this is something that can/will happen commonly, and you end up with a useless system beyond most people's ability to debug.02:00
jgnot good.02:00
mipsStoffer, check out http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=179   &    http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=13602:00
LassePhi anyone hawing trouble with Marvell 88E8001 Gigabit Ethernet Controller?02:00
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PriceChildjg, I agree... afaik everyone's aware of it. But the problem is that it doesn't occur on a normal upgrade path unless you edit things yourself afaik02:01
mipsStoffer, sorry, I have never setup wireless as all my stuff is wired althoug I have 3 wireless cards02:01
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Stoffermips, that's fine.  There's also something complaining about my restricted ATI driver02:01
jgPriceChild: with the change from hda to sda, it would seem a graceful upgrade path would be to fix the name in the fstab.02:02
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mipsStoffer, did you install the restricted drivers ?02:02
jgI have no clue how to even find what the uuid of a partition might be....02:02
Stoffermips, no, it did it automatically02:02
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mipsStoffer, well keep at it, I'm sure you will find solutions to those issues02:03
Stoffermips, the ATI accelerated graphis driver is not in use, while the Atheros Hardware Access Layer is in juse.  that's what it tells me when I click the icon in the top right panel02:04
Stoffermips, should I enable the ATI driver?02:05
jpsamaraIs there a mirror list somewhere? now that the site is lagging02:05
mipsStoffer, I would enable it and reboot or restart X02:05
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Stoffermips, ok, it's downloading it now02:06
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TheCreationistIs ntfs write support included in Feisty?02:06
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sishgupta__its in the repos02:06
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TheCreationistAlso... does anyone know why trying to update from Edgy to Feisty just gives this error : "Could not calculate upgrade"02:06
PriceChild!ntfs-3g | TheCreationist02:06
ubotuTheCreationist: ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but please remember to keep backups of critical data. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)02:06
mstrzelehi there, where's feisty? :(02:07
TheCreationistPriceChild: I already use that... was just curious if it was included in Feisty02:07
PriceChildTheCreationist, used 3rd party repos?02:07
PriceChildmstrzele, see /topic02:07
TheCreationistPriceChild: Yes, but I've removed them from sources.lst02:07
mstrzelePriceChild: ;)02:07
Patrick_could anyone tell me why the my laptop hangs when I choose to log out??? annoyingly I have to hold down the power button to turn it off then restart!02:07
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Jordan_UTheCreationist, NTFS-3g is available in the default repos in Feisty02:09
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Patrick_when is the full release of feisty out02:09
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AmaranthPatrick_: hours02:10
FlankkApparantly whenever they feel like it.02:10
TheCreationistOkay, well I've decided to go ahead and do a clean install of Feisty... but I have some questions.  When doing so, is there a way to backup my user's password info.... otherwise I'll have to set them all up again02:10
Patrick_yeah, it'll be ready when its ready kinda thing02:10
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Kitaguasomehow the Countdown on ubuntu.com switched back to 'Release is Tomorrow' ^^02:11
TheCreationistI thought I heard the release date was delayed....02:11
thoreauputicPatrick_: /topic ;)02:11
FlankkEither push back the release date or don't have one at all.02:11
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TheCreationist...shoot, I'd settle for an update tool that works ;)02:12
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Jordan_UTheCreationist, How are you trying to update exactly?02:12
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TheCreationistJordan_U: Using "kdesu update-manager -c -d"02:13
misfit_toyconcept10, the joy of smoking! :)02:13
Jordan_UTheCreationist, If you are going to re-install anyways you may as well try to force an upgrade and see what happens02:13
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concept10misfit_toy, Im trying to decide if I want a beer or cranberry juice02:13
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TheCreationistJordan_U: How would I do that?02:14
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FlankkSo when it's released, is there a list of mirrors to download 7.04 from?  Because ubuntu.com is down.02:14
Jordan_UTheCreationist, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgradesManual02:14
wharpix_ubuntu.com is up again..02:14
TheCreationistOh... and I assume that installing from the current alt-cd image of Feisty, when the final is released, I can update automatically, right?02:14
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Jordan_UTheCreationist, Yes, make sure you use the daily build rather than the Beta02:15
Flankkwharpix_, okay.02:15
misfit_toyconcept10, that isn't a choice, that's a given, beer!02:15
TheCreationistJordan_U: Yeah, I'm downloading the daily build02:15
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concept10misfit_toy, I love drinking beer but cranberry juice doesnt leaving you feeling crazy at the end of the night :)02:16
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Jordan_UTheCreationist, And remember that if you want to remove the stuff you don't want from ubuntu-desktop copy down what packages it installs when you install it02:16
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misfit_toyconcept10, neither does beer, just very very sleepy....zzzzz02:17
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stone-unixready to feisty? released or not??02:18
misfit_toystone-unix, /topic02:18
jpsamaraWhen looking at a mirror I see a Archive-update-in-progress file  :)02:18
misfit_toycan you send /topic to someone? like:02:18
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misfit_toymust be chan op02:19
ubotuPlease read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic02:19
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webcrawleanybody have the time of the 7.04 release?02:20
mipswhen its ready02:20
|NewUser|webcrawle, see the topic :)02:20
concept10ubotu, topic is Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains essential information, including release status.  To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic02:20
Prezi wonder if there was a windows channel waiting for Vista with people asking when it would b released for a whole 2 years..haha02:21
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webcrawleso sry02:21
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concept10heres anothewr02:21
Zorlindont you mean +B?02:21
Zorlin+q = channel founder-level access02:21
Flankkthoreauputic, It might help if you actually put a release time in the topic...02:21
webcrawleyou really should put it at the top of the topic, i read it, but after the link i quit reading02:21
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thoreauputicFlankk: and how are we going to do that when we don't know?02:22
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concept10PriceChild, please update the topic02:22
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Flankkthoreauputic, 3 people in #ubuntu said within the hour.02:22
thoreauputicFlankk: they are wrong though02:22
graymanFlankk, they said whithin a hour if it's ready02:22
ANTDx2You mean the thing I am currently downloading is not the final release?02:22
thoreauputicFlankk: it isn't released yet02:22
Stofferin the network manager my wireless network is called ath0, but in /etc/network/interfaces there's only wlan0.... why?02:22
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fulvioohow many of you already bookmarked a download server with trilling /7.04 ? :P02:22
ANTDx2oh well it can't be too much different.02:23
aaroncampbellIs there a way to see the progress of bzip2?  I'm compressing a LARGE file (over 11G), and I'd like to be able to see how it's coming02:23
PriceChildfulvioo, not me... i already have it02:23
Dekkardis there an issue with network manager and hibernation..?02:23
Prezi am on a jabber conference with canonical, not releasing til the 20th02:23
ZorlinWhats #ubuntu+2?02:23
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ZorlinNo, the topic says edgy.02:23
mipsStoffer, ?02:23
Prezjust kidding, have no clue when it's happening...02:23
ANTDx2#ubuntu+2 is old and outdated.  "welcome to Edgy"02:24
kibaoh shit02:24
Zorlinyeah, thought so02:24
Stoffermips, shouldn't that file have an ath0 entry?02:24
Crazytomi'm going to install fiesty on two of my co-workers computers tommorow.  anyone know when... just kidding...02:24
PriceChild!ohmy | kiba02:24
ubotukiba: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.02:24
FlankkIMO this is stupid.  Why not just push it to tomorrow instead of keep everyone waiting?02:24
fulvioowhats #ubuntu,0 ? :P02:24
voidmage-awayaaroncampbell: you could run it with -v02:24
ANTDx2Flankk, today still has 20 hours left02:24
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mips24hrs on the release clock02:24
Dekkardi dont get all the flack about the release date.. when its ready it will be ready..02:24
PriceChildFlankk, it will be released when its ready02:24
FlankkANTDx2, 23, actually.  I'm talking about Etc/GMT.02:25
concept10PriceChild, please update the topic02:25
thoreauputicFlankk: where is it written that the release has to be a t midnight?02:25
Prezso anyways, what is Ubuntu, some kind of software?02:25
PriceChildconcept10, ?02:25
kibawhen will be ready??02:25
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aaroncampbellvoidmage: that just shows: filename.tar:02:25
concept10Update the topic02:25
carlosquesothey'd save a lot of angst (and server load) if they just lied about the date, and put it up before the official release time02:25
aaroncampbellvoidmage: then it fills in the compression ratio when it's done02:25
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concept10PriceChild, i know you have ops02:25
ANTDx2I was estimating02:25
Flankkthoreauputic, Then adjust the topic to say it will be released within 24 hours!02:25
mipsyeah, they should have a randon release within a week02:25
graymanthoreauputic, heh. a lot of people think that it should. The site is like under ddos02:26
Prezanyone here running beta releases?02:26
concept10Prez, nope02:26
DekkardFeisty is the next generation Linux distro.. it will be ready by the next generation...02:26
Prezthe only thing not working great on my thinkpad is sound after resume fromhibernation... just hope that gets fixed..02:26
Stoffermips, I'm following a tutorial on using wpa_supplicant for my wireless02:26
mipsStoffer,ok. and the ati ?02:26
Prezin edgy that is.. hopefully this feisty thing will fix it02:27
Stoffermips, oh, I haven't restarted yet, I'm ignoring it for now02:27
carlosquesowe could be debian and everybody'd be waiting for the next few years02:27
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mipscheers, way past my bed time !!!02:27
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Flankkcarlosqueso, maybe Ubuntu has become Debian.  The community gets ruder every day.02:28
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carlosquesoeh...as your community gets bigger, more rude people creep in02:28
concept10Ive been rude since day 102:29
ANTDx2It's like "Are we there yet?!"02:29
FlankkI'm talking about asking for help and geting 20 elitist pricks hopping on your back.02:29
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carlosquesome too02:29
VR_"... released when it is released" so not tomorrow!02:29
ANTDx2I haven't had that yet.  I hear of all sorts of people who think they're cool because they bash Ubuntu though02:29
concept10Flankk, you need to learn how to ignore fools on IRC02:29
Prezin british english, do you spell it priggs?02:29
adder1972Sorry for asking, but does anyone know when 7.04 will be released ("Feisty will be released when it is released" is a bit wague....)02:30
jpsamaratoday] 02:30
Stoffermips: how do I get into the device manager?  I keep losing it02:30
graymanadd it in the topic02:30
Prezlota dense people..02:30
graymanless questions02:30
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adder1972We had a coundown in the forum, but nothing happened  ;-)02:30
graymanthere is a countdown on the site02:30
Arkois Feisty already released?02:30
jpsamaralol... countdown in the ubuntu furom?02:30
graymanfor few days now02:30
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concept10adder1972, good, this isnt christmas02:30
aaroncampbellin Konqueror if I right click on a file, I get a compress option (allowing me to make it a .gz, .rar, etc) but if I click on a .tar file I don't get that.  Seems like it should still be there, since .tar isn't really compressed...just stored.  It would still be nice to be able to turn that into a .gz02:30
njeehaha I was there too, btu then I remember edgy was like a day late by the time I got it in Australia02:30
PrezArko: it's there, waiting for ya..02:30
FlankkGood thing I didn't show up for the countdown in Time Square...02:31
carlosquesothat's why I'm hanging out here, as someone will come in here all jubilant02:31
stone-unixwe, a lot of ubuntu chinese users, are waiting in the ubuntu-cn channel02:31
Stoffermips: is the name of my driver next to info.linux.driver in "advanced"?02:31
adder1972@ concept10: It is for me  ;-)02:31
concept10Gosh, I thought my life was bad.02:31
stone-unixwaiting is so torturing02:31
Arkoit says release tomorrow02:32
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concept10stone-unix, dont wait, find something else to do02:32
njeeThey so should definitely do it as a midnight launch thing, PS3 style :P02:32
RawSewageIt's only tomorrow in the US02:32
Arkoit is already tomorrow in some places.02:32
RawSewageIt's today everywhere else02:32
carlosquesoit's a release party!02:32
HairulfrIt's tomorrow here as well, what a rip off :(02:32
RawSewageUbuntu is in Africa02:32
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carlosquesoactually, if i'm not mistaken, it's officially on the isle of Man02:32
adder1972I guess the repositories are pretty updated anyway ...02:32
njeehaha, says Distrowatch02:33
FlankkHow can you have a release party when it's not released until midnight of the next day.  It will be the 20th in some places...02:33
RawSewageTheyre on an island?02:33
carlosquesoit's an IRC release party now02:33
Dekkardubuntu is in africa??02:33
HairulfrRawSewage: They're lost02:33
njeesabdfl is in london....02:33
stone-unixconcept10: ok02:33
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graymanit's tomorrow in africa02:33
Dekkardhoem of the Islae of man TT.. also the origin of a rather unique Cat02:33
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ArkoWhy has US the monopoly of tomorrow?02:34
feistymanHey, does anyone know about tomorrow's release. Do we get an update that makes us the final version?02:34
PrezArko: cause it can afford to ...02:34
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HairulfrArko: Because they have the monopoly of destroying the world for everyone?02:34
graymanif you're talking about Canonical then no02:34
graymanthey're in europe02:34
concept10This channel is getting ridiculous.  Im going to get a beer, have fun waiting on the final release.02:34
TheDebuggerI'm sure we already have the final build...02:34
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Arkothat is why they are so hated, I guess02:35
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PrezArko: as always, depends who you ask02:35
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Arkoby the way, is there a program to edit pdfs?02:35
ffmSo, how can I test the final?02:35
ffmI have heard 5 installed alrady02:36
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graymanwhere do you get that rumors02:36
TheDebuggerIf we have the beta.. then did a dist-upgrade today, we should have feisty final02:37
graymanno updates since few days now02:37
Dekkardthis is getting rediculous02:37
Hairulfrffm: Hmm... I'm still on beta, but I've been receiving so many updates lately that I guess it's pretty much final02:37
TheDebuggergrayman: Yeah, 2-3 days02:37
TheDebuggerNo system updates...02:37
TheDebuggerSi it means.. feisty is frozen, ready to be release imo02:38
HairulfrNo for a while no, but been flooded lately02:38
misfit_toythe last update was the update-manager itself, I'm guessing in preparation for bombardment of geeks with woodies on for fiesty enjoyment.02:38
Hairulfrmisfit_toy: Lol02:38
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graymanthere goes the nice 200kbs speed on repos02:38
adder1972so its just to do "sudo apt-get update/upgrade?"02:38
PriceChildTheDebugger, yes if you update/upgrade/dist-upgrade you have latest02:38
graymanin theory update-manager should give you an option02:39
HairulfrI'm already looking forward to Gutsy Gibbon (at first I read it as "Gutty Gibson")02:39
misfit_toyHairulfr, cool, the guitar version02:39
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Toma-imho, the final is going to be released when there more testing done on the final candidate ISO's. so get installing and give reports. im burning the ISO right now02:39
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RawSewageUbuntu Operational HQ: London, United Kingdom02:44
RawSewageso it's release day already02:44
HairulfrToma-: Wha, the final?02:44
Toma-Hairulfr: read the topic02:44
carlosquesoof course, when I say "I'll do it tomorrow" I don't usually mean midnight02:44
graymanToma-, shhhhhhhhhh!!!!02:44
misfit_toyHairulfr, and it's "Gusty" not "Gutsy" I believe.02:44
graymanyou ruined it!02:44
adder1972@ PrinceChild: Thanks02:44
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RawSewageit says Gutsy in Wiki02:44
carlosquesoI hope not misfit_toy, as add that to breezy and we have two flatulent animals02:44
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Hairulfr misfit_toy: reallY? What is Gusty? Windy?02:44
misfit_toyI was hoping for Gusty, oh well02:44
graymana gust of wind02:44
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HairulfrA Gibbom with gas?02:44
taggieGibbons are gutsy.02:44
sotec_prodIs there an easy way to see what folders are on what partitions?02:44
sotec_prod<sotec_prod> To clone my Feisty install onto a larger harddrive  using a simple copy/paste method, i would need to set up the proper sized partitions on the larger disk first correct? And then paste all of the folders accordingly so that it booted up right...is this correct?02:44
jpsamaraThe RC isos had squashed the libata bugs but there was a minor bug with the part. manager02:44
Journeymanis feisty going to be released tomarrow?02:44
sotec_prodor would it be wiser to just section off a partition at the end of the larger drive, use a drive image program such as PartImage to place it there, then boot the live cd, use part image to recover that image so that it installs onto the larger drive just as it was on my current drive?02:44
RawSewageJourneyman, no02:44
misfit_toy"when it's ready"02:44
Toma-I hope theres some sort of donation thing for Gibbons when Gutsy gets released http://www.silvery.org.au/02:44
jpsamaraToday is thursday02:44
PriceChildJourneyman, topic02:44
Prezis that today UTC, UTC -6, UTC +12 ?02:44
JourneymanI just heard it was tomorrow and wanted to know if it was true or not02:44
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=== carlosqueso thinks you should change the topic to say that the release is cancelled
muszekhi... is it cancelled?02:44
Prezcarlosqueso: good idea02:44
|NewUser|ummm finally get complete updates fiesty.. going runs so gud..02:44
PriceChildcarlosqueso, i doubt anyone would read it anyway02:44
Journeymanno topic just says it will be released when its released02:44
RawSewageGibbons are social animals. Strongly territorial, gibbons defend their boundaries with vigorous visual and vocal displays.02:44
FlankkSo it will be released when all the bugs on https://www.stgraber.org/ubuntu/isotesting/ are squashed?02:44
HairulfrFinally, my stupid ISP took care of business, and I'm  now able to dl just over 2Mb a sec.. Nice02:44
mister_robotodoes anyone know if truecrypt will ever be part of ubuntu's repos? any plans?02:44
Toma-Flankk: yeh. well, the big bugs at least02:44
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FlankkToma-, That could take *days*02:45
muszekcarlosqueso: what do you mean by "cancelled"?  RC or today's final release?02:45
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Toma-Flankk: yep.02:45
|NewUser|Hairulfr, its gr8 :) 2mb02:45
carlosquesoneither, was a joke02:45
muszekoh :)02:45
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FlankkToma-, People are saying today though..02:45
|NewUser|GeekChick|, Best 0f luck :)02:45
Toma-Flankk: people are wrong :O02:46
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GeekChick||NewUser|, it's taking a long ass time on python 2.502:46
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benanzoIf anyone here is running Feisty on a macbook core duo, have you had trouble with the i810 driver and DRI after the latest updates?02:46
FlankkToma-, This is dumb.  There are obviously going to be a tonne of bugs, even if not all reported.  Why not just release it and patch later?02:47
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|NewUser|GeekChick|,  lol02:47
benanzoI have a post in the forums detailing my problem, maybe someone can help http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2476161#post247616102:47
HairulfrFlankk: Anyone had any major issues with beta? I didn't, and it's been less buggy than any distro I've ever used02:47
FlankkHairulfr, exactly, so why not release it already?02:48
taggieFlankk, if the bugs prevent the install of the distro, you can't patch what you can't install.02:48
Toma-Flankk: he more serious bugs you get out of the installer, the more people you get with a healthy install. and less whinging windows users in #ubuntu saying "Waa waa it doesnt work Ubuntu sucks im going to tell all my friends"02:48
HairulfrFlankk: I was gonna say what taggi said02:48
AmaranthFlankk: the tests right now are "does the CD boot and install?"02:48
ZorlinYeah, my one had some issues with install.02:48
graymanToma-, don't scare the kid. it will be out today02:48
Zorlin(my copy of the beta)02:49
ANTDx2Guys he just asked a question...we dont need 4 people summarizing the same general idea =P02:49
Zorlin5* sorry02:49
Toma-People...... if you really want to get it the second it comes out, keep hitting refresh on this page http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/7.04/02:49
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AmaranthFlankk: imagine the embarrassment if they released a CD that didn't even boot02:49
HairulfrI tried Sabayon, the live cd worked and was impressive (but ugly), but it didn't install.02:49
AmaranthToma-: No.02:49
graymanToma-, and don't give them ideas x_x02:49
FlankkAmaranth, not to troll but that's how it wen't with the last 5 releases for me.02:49
FlankkAmaranth, I guess I'll do some testing then.02:49
ANTDx2yeah let's try to refresh the page over and over and over til i t goes offline =P02:49
Toma-Flankk: you werent around for dapper?02:50
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HairulfrANTDx2: LOL02:50
ZorlinAnt, better that than the main page02:50
AmaranthFlankk: Right well this is why you should have been testing and reporting bugs throughout the feisty cycle :)02:50
Zorlinthis is just a directory listing. less load on the server02:50
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NemesisDis there an easy way to find out once i burn this iso i'm downloading if it's the real final release or not?02:50
ANTDx2ah well still...why don't you just promise them to post it in the topic the MOMENT it comes out02:50
carlosquesoNemesisD, it's not02:50
dougb_when a bug fix is "commited" and someone says "Release-noted, so milestoning for post-Feisty." does that mean that the update will be released in the next cycle of updates to come around?02:51
NemesisDwtf am i downloading then (suspiciously eyeballs docMuerto)02:51
AmaranthANTDx2: That's my job :)02:51
NemesisDoh wait i forgot no internet slang02:51
ANTDx2ah well good.02:51
NemesisDwhat in tarnation*02:51
FlankkANTDx2, yes, and post that promise in the topic.  People are whining because the topic is very unclear.  If you make it clear, people won't need to ask questions.02:51
CrazytomNemesisD, md502:51
HairulfrNemesisD: Windows Vista RC202:51
Amaranthdougb_: that probably means it'll be a post-release update02:51
Amaranthdougb_: meaning a package you get from feisty-updates02:52
taggieSo, I'm downloading the RC of the dvd, because it looks like only a few people have installed it, but it looks like nobody is using the torrent. Does anybody install from DVD?02:52
Toma-Amaranth: im burning the final candidate (for bug testing)... should i just wait?02:52
Toma-bah too late02:52
NemesisDi got it here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/20070418/02:52
graymanthat's not final02:52
dougb_that's no good.  It's a bug fix to get my sound card working properly with Ubuntu Feisty.  I'd think it would be a priority since it is effecting a lot of users02:52
graymanthat's candidate02:52
NemesisDim like 70% done, what the heck have i done02:52
NemesisDwhats the difference02:52
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HairulfrNemesisD: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ is the latest02:53
GeekChick|NemesisD, less bugs02:53
ANTDx2Just a question02:53
NemesisDi feel so betrayed02:53
Toma-NemesisD: there will probably be a couple little bug fixes RE: install process in the final02:53
NemesisDToma-, so would you suggest I cancel this download?02:53
ANTDx2if most of the work now is just going into the installer, is it reasonably safe to do an apt-get dist-upgrade/gui equivalent?02:53
Toma-NemesisD: you said it was the DVD?02:53
graymanNemesisD, nah. expect mirors to be overloaded02:54
NemesisDyes, its feisty-dvd-i386.iso02:54
RawSewageeveryone should use torrents02:54
GeekChick|ANTDx2, could not tell you, but I am running the GUI dist-upgrade from the alternate i386 feisty fawn cd.02:54
Toma-NemesisD: yeh use it, burn it, and report if it works or not02:54
Amaranthdougb_: it takes days to a week to make sure an update didn't break something for the release02:54
jpsamaraany final torrent?02:54
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ANTDx2I'm running it from Edgy02:54
RawSewageI dont think Final is out yet02:54
NemesisDToma-, if i install it will it be easy to update to the actual release then?02:54
HairulfrRawSewage: Yeah, but considering how long it takes (hours vs. 5 minutes) I'm not bothered. And yeah, if everyone did, no problem02:54
Amaranthdougb_: Do you want to explain to hundreds of thousands of people that feisty isn't out yet because you wanted sound? :)02:54
dougb_Amaranth, i believe it's been about a week since the bug fix was committed02:55
NemesisDi'm anxious about getting this but not if I'm going to be fresh installing a sub-par product02:55
Toma-NemesisD: apt-get update upgrade will do it02:55
dougb_Amaranth, yes, i'd be happy to complain for my cause :)02:55
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Amaranthdougb_: kernel updates take longer :)02:55
GeekChick|dougb_, what audio card?02:55
NemesisDToma-, promise? ;)02:55
PepperyWait, Feisty is a DVD?02:55
Toma-NemesisD: im gonna do it!02:55
graymanyou get a cd02:55
RawSewageit's 699 mb02:55
dougb_GeekChick|, it's a nvidia hda card, but i believe it is using the intel hda driver02:55
jpsamarathere is a cd version and a dvd version also.. i prefer cd02:55
NemesisDok why is this 3.97gb then02:55
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Peppery"PC (Intel x86) install/live DVD"02:56
NemesisDjust extra packages?02:56
Amaranthdougb_: saying intel hda is like saying pci02:56
GeekChick|dougb_, oh, im on a sigmatel 9200x or something. its an inspiron e1505.02:56
AmaranthNemesisD: the DVD contains all of main02:56
HairulfrI want a dvd as well, im tired of burning 500Mb ISOs on dvds02:56
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jpsamaraI recommend installing the CD and use apt-get for extra packets... it saves a lot of bandwidth...02:56
dougb_Amaranth, i was in here last weekend talking to some people for about two hours trying to figure it out, and we came to the conclusion that the intel HDA driver is a generic driver02:57
NemesisDok and i'm kind of curious, is this windows migration thing only good for stupid stuff like bookmarks and the contents of my documents or is it possible to pick and choose what to bring over? this is going on a laptop02:57
dougb_and my card was using that module02:57
Toma-OK folks, testing FInal Candidate :) cyas.02:57
Amaranthdougb_: The people that make it say otherwise ;)02:57
sotec_prodjpsamara, saves feisty's bandwidth, but slaughters yours.02:57
NemesisDToma-, you downloaded 4gb that fast?!02:57
HairulfrNemesisD: Without knowing, because I didn't try, I'd say it's for stupid stuff02:57
NemesisDwell thats a bummer :/02:58
Amaranthdougb_: i mean, it's one module for all the different types02:58
Amaranthdougb_: but there are a lot of different types02:58
sotec_prodalthough, i would rather just install as needed :) plus, using apt gets you the latest version vs. off of a cd, which could be versions behind02:58
RAOFdougb_: And each and every one has its own evil quirks.02:58
dougb_yeah i know.  but it's the only thing close to what i could find02:58
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HairulfrNemesisD: What I really want is a way to synchronize with outlook, I need all my old emails and schedulethings02:58
AmaranthRAOF: yeah, it's super evil02:58
jpsamarasotec_prod: not really. people don't use all of DVD... in my case, and I use more things as most people such as eclipse etc.... I down't see any big app thats not in the cd that people use..02:59
Amaranthsome of the worst pieces of garbage that can be called sound chips hide under that intel hda label02:59
NemesisDHairulfr, luckily for me this is for a laptop and there aren't too many critical things on there02:59
dougb_it's was detected as NVIDIA HDA for alsa, and conexant for OSS i believe02:59
NemesisDok so just to be clear, this candidate i'm downloading only has minor differences in the installer?02:59
sotec_prodtrue, but then it the programs could be versions behind, unless the dvd iso from the site is updated with current packages as they come out...know what i mean?03:00
dougb_NemesisD, dont worry.  they are planning on using the RC from yesterday as the final ISO image anyways03:00
GeekChick|Oh, terrific, the feisty installer killed bluetooth. now i have to use the stupid touchpad.03:00
sotec_prodso that you aren't getting v.3.4 when the newest version is v5.003:00
HairulfrNemesisD: Yeah, I want a new laptop, I have an old g3 500mhz, all I need it for is typewriting, seeing dvds and stealing WIFI. But no distro will play dvds properly. Only osx does that...03:00
HairulfrActually I have two03:00
sotec_prodfeisty plays dvd's just fine03:00
ZorlinUgh. Waiting is annoying.03:01
Hairulfrsotec_prod: Not on a 500Mhz G3 iBook03:01
graymanyeah dvds are ok03:01
NemesisDdougb_, so i should just install it and then run an apt-get update upgrade in a few days?03:01
ZorlinI might go play xbox for a bit. Lol.03:01
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graymanNemesisD, erm no03:01
sotec_prodHairulfr, unless you try playing Sony dvd's. I can't get them to work on Feisty, and i'm sure it's the same story for any OS03:01
graymanit is feisty03:01
dougb_NemesisD, yes, or just run it when you first install it03:01
misfit_toysotec_prod, I read today sony is "going to fix that"...."sooon"03:02
dougb_NemesisD, there is no reason to do a fresh install once the official ISO is released03:02
graymanyou don't need to do upgrade03:02
sotec_prodyea, right...03:02
NemesisDwell i'm literally going to install it in about half an hour i think and i don't think final will be out then03:02
Hairulfrsotec_prod: Everything works fine on the desktop, no problems here, the problem with the Mac is DMA, I think...03:02
sotec_prodyea, i don't know much about the inner workings of mac's.03:02
NemesisDok im confused now03:02
dougb_NemesisD, do you know how ubuntu works?03:03
graymandon't sony stuff it's stuff with a sh*t load of drm?03:03
NemesisDapparently not03:03
sotec_prodthe only thing i know is that it's a unix-based OS similar to linux, but costs a fortune that i can't see spending when linux is so widely available and free, and in my personal opionion, can do anything mac's can...maybe more. for free...did i mention free?03:03
Hairulfrgrayman: Yes, and all their new DVDs don't work. Lame03:03
graymanNemesisD, just install it and follow normal updates03:03
NemesisDrgr, thanks :)03:04
GaiaX11Feisty stable? When? Tomorrow? At which time?03:04
misfit_toysotec_prod, it's free? ;p03:04
misfit_toyGaiaX11, when it's ready03:04
Hairulfrsotec_prod: I don't care for OSX either... But I like the mac, it's nice and small and it looks ok.03:04
dougb_NemesisD, when you update your system, it will update it to the current state.  for a person that has used feisty since herd 4, they should still be able to do update tomorrow when the official is released and they will have the official release of feisty, they won't have to download the ISO again03:04
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AmaranthI miss my mac mini :(03:05
graymanjust if you want to have a burned feisty03:05
dougb_NemesisD, this saves you a lot of time from downloading an ISO and reinstalling everytime their is a major release, like how ubuntu 6.06 is actually 6.06.1 now03:05
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Amaranthit was underpowered and didn't have nearly enough RAM for OS X but it was still and awesome piece of hardware03:05
grayman*stable feisty03:05
NemesisDok that's what i was thinking, and they do or dont use apt-get update upgrade to achieve this?03:05
sotec_prodi like the idea of the minimac03:05
FlankkGaiaX11, Haven't you heard?  Canonical went under and we're all using Debian now.  It will be released in the next few years, "when it's ready."03:05
dougb_do use apt-get update03:05
HairulfrMostly I dislike mac because of the idiots buying the as a fashion accessory. I blame the iPod03:05
dougb_to be safe though, for a week or so use "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"03:06
sotec_prodit's pretty powerful, small, and stocked, and fairly cheap, considering mac's greediness03:06
dougb_that sometimes updates some packages that a regular "update" would not install03:06
snowpunk98Anyone know if the ZImbra install for Ubuntu 6 would install fine on Feisty03:06
taggiethe dvd RC torrent is slow as molasses. I downloaded the entire cd in the time it's taken me to get 20megs of the dvd.03:06
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NemesisDanother question, is there a point to giving /boot it's own partition? i've got a 20gb drive, i'm thinking 1gb for swap, but i don't know if i should make /boot it's own partition...03:07
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GaiaX11Flankk: Give me the link for me to prove you answer03:07
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dougb_i've never heard of the /boot folder...03:07
dougb_do you mean "/home"?03:07
NemesisDtaggie, i've been getting the dvd RC at a steady 700-800KB/s03:07
knix_How are you suppose to look at files in rescue mode?03:07
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NemesisDnot on a torrent though03:08
NemesisDdougb_, you haven't?03:08
vimalg2NemesisD: I have the same question, but I think its a redundant idea to keep a separate /boot if you're planning on multi-booting several *nixes on the same disk03:08
knix_ I upgraded my dapper server to edgy, then to feisty, and now when it boots it hangs on "running local scripts etc/rc.local  and just hangs there.   I have no idea how to fix this.  any help is greatly appreciated03:08
NemesisDhttp://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2005/11/17/ubuntu_laptop.html?page=2 i waas looking at this03:08
FlankkGaiaX11, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000281.html03:08
NemesisDmaybe thats why i've been doing it03:08
knix_ I upgraded my dapper server to edgy, then to feisty, and now when it boots it hangs on "running local scripts etc/rc.local  and just hangs there.   I have no idea how to fix this.  any help is greatly appreciated03:08
sotec_proddoes anyone know about cloning Feisty to another harddrive?03:08
NemesisDi've been installing on multiboot systems but this is going to be just 1 OS03:08
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taggiesotec_prod, what do you want to do? a full identical copy?03:08
vimalg2"/boot"  basically just stores the Stage2 of the Grub bootloader03:09
sotec_prodtaggie, yes. I want this install on a larger harddrive, exactly as it is.03:09
HairulfrNemesisD: If I could get photoshop working I'd scrap windows as well...03:09
misfit_toyknix, why would you upgrade a server to a beta OS?03:09
knix_misfit_toy, not really sure.03:09
TheDebuggerHairulfr: Use a vm for windows :/03:09
TheDebuggerHairulfr: Virtualbox is working nicely for me03:09
NemesisDHairulfr, oh don't be confused, i'm still running windows/ubuntu dual boot on my desktop, but for this laptop, i have no reason for it to be windows03:09
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taggiesotec_prod, boot from a live-cd, go to a command line, and use "dd if=/dev/<source drive> of=/dev/<destination drive>"03:10
dougb_NemesisD, i've never looked into the /boot folder too closely03:10
sotec_prodHairulfr, if you are willing to pay a measly $32, Pixel 1.0 for linux is almost an exact photoshop clone. I plan on buying it.03:10
dougb_Hairulfr, you can run photoshop in Wine i believe.  i've heard of some good success stories03:10
ANTDx2Why not just run Gimp?03:10
HairulfrTheDebugger: With Photoshop? I've never had much luck with virtualmachines03:10
fulat2khow's virtualbox performance?03:10
ANTDx29 times out of 10, gimp native is better than wined photoshop03:11
sotec_prodtaggie, yea, someone told me that....will that copy over the correct partitions/swap as well?03:11
NemesisDGIMP is not the answer03:11
TheDebuggerfulat2k: imo, better than vmware03:11
sotec_prodor just data03:11
ANTDx2wine is nice, but  not perfect yet03:11
dougb_GIMP is always the answer :-P03:11
vimalg2dougb_: not PShop CS2 i believe03:11
sotec_prodgimp is pretty much junk03:11
dougb_it's just as powerful as Photoshop with the right plugins03:11
fulat2kTheDebugger: omg.... that's awesome... hang on, which version of vmware are you referring to?  iirc, 5.5 had some speed boost03:11
Hairulfrsotec_prod: Really? Nice, I've had a hard time finding a replacement, and I really really really need photoshop03:11
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taggiesotec_prod, that's a byte for byte copy. absolutely everything. the only thing you'll need to do after that, is expand the partition to use the new space.03:11
RawSewageyou really really dont if you know how to use Gimp03:11
Hairulfrdougb_: Yeah, I've gotten it startede, splash screen and all, then it just chrashes03:11
sotec_prodtaggie, excellent03:11
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sotec_prodi'll try that then03:12
NemesisDi wish i could get ultraedit on ubuntu03:12
sotec_prodtaggie, and then i can switch out the hard drives to the larger new one an boot as if nothing happened?03:12
NanaQHi all ,is there any program like sony vegas on ubuntu?03:12
fulat2kNemesisD: doesn't it run on wine?03:12
RawSewageGIMP is going to surpass PS CS soon03:12
NemesisDeh i'd feel silly running vm for a text editor03:12
taggiesotec_prod, yes, dd will do the boot blocks and all.03:12
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vimalg2NemesisD:there's a few good IDE's like Eclipse that can do Ultraedit and make plutonium03:12
dougb_gedit works great for me03:13
RawSewageas will Ubuntu pass Windows.   Because both have tons more developers than the handful that work at Adobe and Microsoft03:13
dougb_i use it for editing PHP and C source files all the time03:13
vimalg2Eclipse is awfully memory intensive though for ppl on 256Mb or less03:13
NemesisDeclipse you say...03:13
GeekChick|I think gedit works just fine . . .03:13
RawSewageI like KWrite for coding php03:13
NemesisDi have 1gb ddr2 on this laptop03:13
sotec_prodawesome. taggie, why is that dd command so close to the format dd command? it's a bit scary...03:13
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knix__NanaQ, there are so apps out there that can handle that03:13
kde185I'm a fan of emacs myself03:13
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ceil420RawSewage, you know when the new GIMP is comin' out, then?03:13
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ceil420cos i can't wait for Jitter :x03:14
dougb_RawSewage, im a gnome guy :-P03:14
RawSewageceil420, no03:14
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carlosquesokde185, me too03:14
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ceil420i think they have a long way to go before surpassing PS CS, but i do hope that they one day do so03:14
vimalg2dd is scary like  a stick of n.korean plutonium. You never know what its meant to be used for03:14
taggiesotec, just make damn sure you get if= and of= right. there is no going back if you accidentally flip source and destination.03:14
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dougb_i remember my  first experience with red hat linux 7.  linux has gone a LONG way in general since then, and a very rapid succession03:15
ceil420on-the-fly brush resizing and scatter ('jitter' in the new GIMP, i've heard) would be a great start ^^03:15
taggievimalg2, that's a great analogy :)03:15
misfit_toygvim is nice as an editor, the power of vim in a gui03:15
kde185yes...I remember my first time with linux as well...memories03:15
ceil420yeah, so do i03:20
ceil420it was like 2 months ago03:20
sotec_proddougb_, i hated linux in those days. I tried Debian woody, redhat 8, and couldn't understand nor stand it. Now, there's no going back, mwahaha03:20
kde185as did I03:20
sotec_prodi won't use windows any more03:20
vimalg2I  think my first distro was Redhat 5.2. Of course not havng internet access at that time really messed up the Linux experience03:20
sotec_produnless it's a dualboot for games03:20
sotec_prodwhich i'm considering03:20
ceil420well, i had seen linux before 2 months ago, but that was just pokin' around in Mandrake 7 and SuSE 8.203:20
taggieslackware from floppies sucked.03:20
sotec_prodnow that i have 160gb hdd03:20
kde185I wanna try some KVM virtualization for games...apparently it works really well03:20
ceil420no more than 2hrs total spent on linux before this year03:20
NemesisDi mainly use windows for games and then other stuff because it takes too long to boot into windows to go back and forth all the time03:20
taggiei mean, it was cool at the time and everything but looking back.. floppy installs sucked.03:20
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vimalg2How many folks here reccomend the Ubuntu DVD? Does it only contain useful(read as cool hacks) stuff03:20
sotec_prodNem, yea. Feisty boots up in less than 3 minutes for me.03:20
sotec_prodWindows took at least 5 with all the programs i had installed03:20
ceil420Feisty boots up pretty quick for me, too03:20
spikebive never had a computer take three minutes to boot03:20
spikebnot even close03:20
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NemesisDi don't know why that is though03:20
alka_trasglooks like feisty is all done03:20
NanaQI just wanna edit my movie,but linux may suppory it poor.I mean freeware you know.wish you suggestion.03:20
sotec_prodFeisty is fantastic. I don't think i'll ever even try another distro03:20
sotec_prodi found my muse03:20
vimalg2sotec_prod: try Xubuntu and hear your machine say Go greased Lightning03:20
taggiesince the latest updates, my boots are very quick on feisty03:20
ceil420lol sotec_prod03:20
sotec_prodi have vimalg203:20
GeekChick|Feisty install finishing up... :-D03:20
spikebxubuntu has to cheat at booting03:20
ceil420<=- on Xubuntu Feisty03:20
spikebit's insane.03:20
vimalg2sotec_prod: ~understanding wink~03:20
NemesisD97% done with the feisty dvd03:20
VessquireYou guys are not talking about the release right?03:20
NemesisDi can't get any friggn work done03:20
sotec_prodi liked xubuntu for my slow machine, but for this machine, I'm not scared to run a more fluffy distro like feisty03:20
ceil420i got it yesterday, Vessquire03:20
ceil420so, no03:20
alka_trasgI wonder is there is going to be anymore updates03:20
Vessquireone would hope not03:20
taggieNemesisD, when you're done downloading the dvd, seed the torrent, it needs all the help it can get.03:20
sotec_prodok, i'm going for gold here. time to clone this beast! thanks for the help taggie03:20
ZancatFeisty is out now?03:20
vimalg2somebody_: right. I'm still on wierd esoteric hardware from Via. i'll have to stick to xUbuntu03:20
ceil420Zancat, not Final03:20
Zancatoh, poo03:20
Vessquirenot the release zancat03:20
taggiesotec_prod, good luck, drop back in if you need help.03:20
NemesisDtaggie, its not a torrent03:20
sotec_prodthanks taggie03:20
GeekChick|What would happen if you did apt-get install xubuntu-desktop and you had gnome-desktop installed? ive installed xfce4 by itself before, but will the two desktops conflict if you install the "xubuntu-desktop"?03:20
NanaQAh,the ubuntu 7.04 was released? but the webpage is still"Tomorrow"03:20
taggieNemesisD, you can still seed the torrent if you've got the file.03:20
AaronMwhere will the torrent be when it comes out?03:20
vimalg2Did anyone try rsync'ing the 15Apr release of the Feisty ISO's03:20
ceil420NanaQ, Beta03:20
carlosquesoGeekChick...you'd have xfce, and some other progs, but it wouldn't conflict03:20
vimalg2the idea is that you can rsync again to get the difference bytes03:20
carlosquesothat's how I installed on the machine I"m using now03:20
vimalg2I think its a bunch of crap03:21
NanaQOk,I'll wait it.03:21
NemesisDtaggie, ok where do i get the torrent file? and are we sure it's the exact same file?03:21
taggieGeekChick, from what I understand, it will just add Xfce to the session list.03:21
Shootfastits the 19th where I am, and ive been waiting all day :(03:21
ceil420NanaQ, that's what i said, but i couldn't wait :p03:21
GeekChick|carlosqueso, but xubuntu-desktop wont conflict with gnome-desktop, because i know xfce4 by itself doesnt conflict, but it has none of the xubuntu icons.03:21
NemesisDtaggie, i got mine from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/20070418/03:21
RawSewagehow would I find the name of a package like Eye of Gnome03:21
taggieNemesisD, the .torrent should be in the same place you got the .iso from.03:21
ceil420Shootfast, that's what you get for living in aus :p03:21
NemesisDohh duhh03:22
taggieNemesisD, yep, from that directory: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/20070418/feisty-dvd-i386.iso.torrent03:22
RawSewagehow do you use CLI to find the name of a package using search terms03:22
NemesisDdownthemall is performing an EPIC merge right now03:22
spikebRawSewage, apt-cache search searchterms03:22
RawSewagespikeb, ty03:22
spikebRawSewage, you bet :)03:22
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RawSewagespikeb, that will come in handy03:22
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sahafeezis the image for 7.04 server up anywhere yet?03:22
spikebRawSewage, it is very very handy03:23
spikebRawSewage, it's my favorite command :)03:23
carlosquesoGeekChick, I promise, it won't conflict...although it will change the usplash (booting screen) to xubuntu03:23
spikebxubuntu's usplash is perty03:23
carlosquesoI even use gnome from time to time on this machine03:23
ceil420i like my 'running mouse' splash screen :p03:23
GeekChick|carlosqueso, lol, that isnt that big of a deal03:23
GeekChick|as long as it isnt kubuntu splash03:23
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ceil420lmao GeekChick|03:23
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carlosquesonaw...it's a fun splash lol03:24
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ShootfastKDE is awesom03:24
NemesisDok something killed firefox :[03:24
kde185KDE isn't that bad03:24
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spikebkde is still better than explorer (the windows gui) :)03:24
Shootfastbetter than *shudders* gnome03:24
Hairulfrkde185: Eeeew :D03:24
GeekChick|Shootfast, KDE is 10x more complex and riddled with redundent option menu's than anything else ive ever seen.03:24
GeekChick|its so bloated its not funny03:24
ceil420lol spikeb03:24
ceil420true, that03:24
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Shootfastbetter than having to be babysat through everything and not being able to set your own stuff03:25
vimalg2heh he03:25
spikebkde 4 is on track to fix that GeekChick|,s hould be interesting03:25
Shootfastexactly :D03:25
GeekChick|its impossibly hard to configure kde with that stupid preferences area03:25
carlosquesoKDE kills my old slow computer03:25
spikebi've been a gnome user for a long time, i just can't get used to anything else. thankfully, gnome is pretty good heh03:25
misfit_toykde is more bloated than vista03:25
FylkHey guys, how do you get root access via the gui browser. i remember its a <Something or other> nautilus.03:25
ceil420i got Xfce because of my "slow" computer03:25
GeekChick|brb. restarting after ubuntu 7.04 update.03:25
ceil420(it's not *that* bad, but it ain't exactly new)03:25
spikebFylk, sudo03:25
Shootfastsudo nautilus03:25
ceil420hf GeekChick|  o/03:26
kde185though I do wonder what the hell the developers were thinking when they put a big ass K in every program name...03:26
vimalg2[kde]  the term is feature bloat, i believe03:26
FylkThanks guys.03:26
spikebkde185, haha, i dont mind that bit of it actually, gives naming consistancy.03:26
Shootfastits KOOL :P03:26
misfit_toyit's krud03:26
nomasteryodarepos are frozen for Feisty03:26
vimalg2kde185: hell if i had my way it should've been a bigass V03:26
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ceil420misfit_toy, that "more bloated than vista" may have been a bit rough lol03:26
vimalg2maybe there's a story behind the K03:26
ceil420but i've never seen Vista, so i dno03:27
nomasteryodaeisty will be released when it is released.03:27
nomasteryodathat is whats on the ubuntu+1 channel03:27
Shootfastvimalg2: it used to stand for kool desktop environment (coz c was for common desktop environment)03:27
misfit_toyceil420, then again maybe not, I got around vista easier in a day on my wife's new laptop than the last time I looked at kde which was about 4 months ago03:27
spikebthis week is the timeframe. :)03:27
VR_this IS the ubuntu+1 channel03:27
carlosquesovimalg2, it was first invented by King K. Rool with his stolen banana revenues03:27
spikebcarlosqueso, i knew there was a reason i didnt like it!03:27
kde185King K. Rool....what was that from?03:28
ceil420i just looked briefly at Kubuntu when a friend sent me all three (not edu-) versions in the mail03:28
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ceil420i'd already looked at Xubuntu and fallen in love :p03:28
carlosquesoDonkey Kong Country03:28
vimalg2and GOD(Shuttleworth) sez : It is DONE. Go forth and burn and multiply!!!03:28
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kde185oh yeah :P03:28
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about xscale - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:28
FylkHey, is there any way to work with the .net framework in Feisty?03:28
spikebFylk, parts of it.03:28
spikebFylk, via mono03:28
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carlosquesovimalg2, not on website, got link?03:28
iramfylk: mono03:28
antiNeoShouldn't Feisty Fawn have been released by now? it's 1:30 am on the 19 of April in GMT :(03:29
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FylkCool. I'll try that out.03:29
antiNeoyou guys are an hour and 30 minutes late ;-P03:29
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ceil420antiNeo, wait for it to be the 19th in Hawaii, then complain03:29
vimalg2carlosqueso: nah... just adlibbing03:29
RawSewagevimalg2, where did you get that from03:29
vimalg2carlosqueso:I'm waiting too03:29
spikebFylk, mono isn't just a MS.NET clone though, it also offers it's own stack of tech, like gtk# :)03:29
carlosquesoah....don't play with our emotions like that03:30
TheCreationistI just did a fresh install of Feisty and my system now takes a good 3 minutes to boot.  When booting in recovery mode, it hangs with the following errors:  1) "qc timeout"  2) "failed to [something]  xfermod"  and 3) "Unable to recover some devices"    Any ideas?03:30
RawSewagevimalg2, did you make that up03:30
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jdrakeTheCreationist: You tried to evolve it, and it failed.03:30
vimalg2whoa... It was  a joke.03:30
Hairulfrjdrake: LOL03:30
ceil420lol jdrake03:31
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TheCreationistjdrake: What do you mean I tried to evolve it?03:31
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TheCreationistYou're being witty03:31
jdrakeTheCreationist: You figured me out.03:31
GeekChick|Im running feisty fawn perfectly.03:31
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TheCreationistSo... does anyone have any REAL ideas?03:31
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kde185rm -Rf03:31
ceil420GeekChick|, i only had one issue, which was my fault anyway :p03:31
ceil420and i'm a noob03:31
Shootfastrm -rf /03:31
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TheCreationistugh... and this is the best Ubuntu communty's got to offer?03:32
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GeekChick|TheCreationist, yes, unless you are TheEvolutionist.03:32
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Stofferwould changing the driver for my wireless card effect the signal strength?03:32
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taggieTheCreationist, are you using the RC?03:33
GeekChick|Stoffer, yes.03:33
TheCreationisttaggie: I'm using the daily build03:33
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vimalg2Stoffer: not if you stick a pringles can to the end of it just to make sure you don't...03:34
FylkQuestion, we're still on schedule for release for tomorrow?03:34
taggieTheCreationist: did it run properly from the CD on your system? did the install finish completely? and does it completely hang and never return or what?03:34
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GeekChick|I miss that cute little mouse loading screen03:34
Stoffervimalg2, ?03:34
ceil420that's the loading screen i got ^^03:34
TheCreationisttaggie: The install went just as expected, no problems until the first reboot.  It doesn't hang indefinitely, but when running in recovery mode, it pauses on these errors and then retries 3 times before continuing.03:34
Stofferhow do I change the driver?03:35
vimalg2Stoffer: google for pringles and wifi to get a better idea03:35
GeekChick|Hah, i hit my first issue. apt-get only knows the CD exists.03:35
FylkTheCreationist, what errors?03:35
vimalg2Stoffer: use NDISwrapper if in serious trouble03:35
FylkAlso, what are the mechine's specs.03:35
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taggieTheCreationist: when finished booting, can you paste the output from dmesg?03:35
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)03:36
Stoffervimalg2, ic.  The problem is that in windows I get 100%, but in ubuntu it's 50%03:36
jdrakeDoes anyone know of good reasons to use a particular file system on a desktop system? Readability in Windows is not an issue. Ext3 has an annoying disk check.03:36
HairulfrTheCreationist: Some device that doesn't work properly, that's all I can help you with unfortunately03:36
TheCreationistFylk: 1) "qc timed out"  2) "Failed to [something]  xfermod"  and 3) "Unable to recover some devices"03:36
FylkThanks Taggie, I was just about to say that.03:36
NanaQanybody installed i686 kernel parkage?I installed it ,but doesn't know it work or not.03:36
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Fylk.......My gut telss me the last two are driver issues.03:36
GeekChick|There we go.03:36
VirhYl4Is there a #ubuntu-wine somewhere?03:36
vimalg2Room: anyone who has better experiences with wifi?03:36
Shootfastjoin /#wine03:36
GeekChick|vimalg2, what card?03:37
taggieNanaQ: check the output from "cat /proc/cpuinfo"03:37
GeekChick|vimalg2, I have Intel Proset 3945 ABG03:37
vimalg2jdrake: use XFS for roaring performance, like a ferrari03:37
VirhYl4you meant #winehq03:37
ShootfastVirhYl4: guess not :P03:37
NanaQok taggie,i'll try it.03:37
vimalg2jdrake: also crashed like a ford03:37
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about pocketpc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:37
jdrakevimalg2: Telling me not to use xfs?03:38
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about windowsmobile - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:38
taggieNanaQ: sorry, brainfart, check "uname -a" that should tell you the running kernel, the /proc/cpuinfo should list the processors and info about them as far as the kernel is concerned.03:38
taggieFylk, not a problem :)03:38
VirhYl4I was looking for specific wine-ubuntu.... thanks though: http://swik.net/Ubuntu/Planet+Ubuntu/Stephan+Hermann%3A+News+%26+Future+Ideas/33as03:38
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vimalg2GeekChick|: its for Stoffer03:38
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GeekChick|vimalg2, dont know what card he/she has.03:39
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vimalg2jdrake: Use XFS if you have high bandwidth applicationslike video-editing/hosting03:39
GeekChick|brb. testing xubuntu-desktop03:39
TheCreationisttaggie, fylk:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16336/03:39
vimalg2jdrake: I'm planning to switch my mp3 jukebox to an XFS volume03:39
taggieTheCreationist, is that the whole output from dmesg?03:39
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vimalg2jdrake: even IBM developerwoks concedes that XFS rocks the pants off ext303:40
TheCreationisttaggie: No.  Just the part with the errors... should I do the whole thing?03:40
adultswimI understand from the topic that we dont have an "exact" release date, but i assume that means its been pushed back again... anyone have any good ideas as to *about* when that will be?03:40
jdrakevimalg2: I do not keep a big media collection. It is basically some programming, somewhat playing music occasionally, odd video (one a week or so). Pretty much regular desktop.03:40
taggieTheCreationist: yeah, i just want to make sure i've got the whole picture03:40
vimalg2ReiserFS is having a bad time of late03:40
RAOFjdrake: EXT3 is pretty good for that.  EXT3 is pretty good, periond.03:40
HohlraumTheCreationist: looks like you're running -14 kernel.  thats the exact error i got.03:40
vimalg2jdrake: for reliabilty and sanity of mind use journalled ext3. Its a very safe bet03:40
jdrakeI definitely will not ever use reiser again.03:41
RAOFjdrake: You can disable the "check every 30 mounts" thing if you like.03:41
TheCreationisttaggie: Okay, I updated it.03:41
taggiehohlraum, if he's using daily build, it should be the 15 kernel03:41
jdrakeI might do that then.03:41
TheCreationisttaggie: It is the -1503:41
Flankkadultswim, In an hour.03:42
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jdrakeIs there anything I can do to improve its speed at checking itself, by changing options to mke2fs?03:42
taggieTheCreationist, I don't see the whole thing, still the same03:42
chowmeinedIs thunderbird 2.0 going to be in feisty?03:42
RAOFjdrake: I don't think so03:42
TheCreationisttaggie: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16337/03:42
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TheCreationistah... it creats a new url for it... sorry03:42
taggieTheCreationist: okay, just to sound professional and whatnot: "please hold while i process your request"03:43
TheCreationisthaha... right03:43
HohlraumTheCreationist: so its not booting with -15?03:43
adultswimflankk, lol.... then the topic is kinda misleading cuz it makes it sound like it was pushed back with "its relaesed when its released" :P  thanks though :)03:43
TheCreationistHohlraum: It is booting with -15... just takes a LONG time.03:44
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Flankkadultswim, yes, it is misleading.03:44
absumanyone got nvidia driver working?? they worked when i ran from livecd but now that ive installed feisty it just dont work03:44
vimalg2OFFTOPIC: anyone here used scribd.com for ebooks?03:44
HohlraumTheCreationist: the issue with -14 was initrd wasn't being rebuilt if i heard correctly. looks to me like carry over.  can you boot into -13 and do a dist-upgrade?03:45
TheCreationisthmm... I can't find the codec installing app in Feisty... what's it called?03:45
dougb_TheCreationist, just try to play a media file03:45
dougb_it will ask you to install it03:45
TheCreationistdougb_: I did...03:45
adultswimabsum, not the nvidia drivers, but with my ATI drivers, it worked with the livecd, but not after installing... i was able to fix it by lowering the depth to 16b from 24b in the xorg.conf file... no idea if thats your problem or not though.03:45
dougb_then it should play03:46
TheCreationistdougb_: I tried both Amarok and Kaffeine... Amarok offered to install support, but when I said yes, nothing happened.03:46
HohlraumTheCreationist: there isn't one just try to play a file that isn't supported03:46
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TheCreationistKaffeine just didn't offer at all.03:46
absumadultswim, well ill just try that one then03:46
dougb_its the gstreamer03:46
dougb_it'll be tagged "dirty" or something03:46
adultswimwhat do i need to install to be able to play DVDs?03:46
vafadaadultswim, VLC?03:46
dougb_adultswim, the same thing TheCreationist is looking for03:47
TheCreationistWhat's with the screenshots of the "NEW" codec installation program?  I can't find that.03:47
Hohlraumadultswim: a patent license ;)03:47
kde185do a quick google search for decoding dvd css03:47
ubotumedibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/03:47
kde185there are plenty of tutorials03:47
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DarkMageZTheCreationist, try and open a music file with rhythmbox or totem which it doesn't have the codec for :)03:48
taggieTheCreationist, are you absolutely certain your ATA disks are configured correctly? if so, you may need to submit a bug report, if you do, be sure to include the model numbers of the offending devices.03:48
hossosori'm going to assume this question has been asked to exhaustion, but when will official Feisty be released? some say tomorrow, some say tonight, some say next week.....i'm confuzed03:48
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adultswimRAOF, thanks03:48
dougb_hossosor, tomorrow03:48
hossosordoubg_: thanks03:48
TheCreationisttaggie: Absolutely certain?  No.  But they've worked in Windows and Edgy without a problem.03:48
vafadaits already april 19 in Asia!03:48
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Hohlraumtaggie: dude it sounds like carry over from the -14 issue .. he is getting the EXACT same problem that brought about the -15 release03:48
Hairulfradultswim: www.ubuntuguide.org ctrl + f for "multimedia" / "dvd" and follow the guide. Should work fine for feisty03:48
billywhy won't sbackup allow me any other option than manual backup only?03:48
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FylkHey guys, a little help?03:48
dougb_vafada, well it's tomorrow for you too :-P03:48
FylkWhere are the directories this person talks about?03:48
taggieHohlraum, yeah, but that should definitely go into a bug report03:49
TheCreationistDarkMageZ: And that doesn't help.  I get no prompt to install the codecs.03:49
jdrakeI love the program badblocks03:49
outofherewhen 7.04 will he released (tomorrow, but what hours of the day) ??03:49
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kde1853 hours ago ;)03:49
DarkMageZTheCreationist, it should prompt you now...03:49
Hairulfroutofhere: When it works, I guess03:49
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AForgueAny tips for getting sound working in Feisty?03:49
dougb_outofhere, within 24 hours of tomorrow03:49
outofhereHairulfr: lol, good answer :D03:49
vafadaits 11 AM in australia.. shouldi contact my australian friends? :)03:50
Hairulfroutofhere: :P03:50
dougb_AForgue, im having the same problem as you, it should be fixed in the next kernel update03:50
outofheredougb_: thaks dougb_03:50
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AForguedougb_: I've had sound working before, but all of a sudden it has stopped working03:50
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Flankkdougb_, don't you mean within 23 hours from now?03:50
jdrakeMay the noodly appendage of the flying spaghetti monster touch the cd as it spins in the drive.03:51
kde185isn't it 2:50 GMT right now?03:51
taggieTheCreationist: I'm fairly certain you're experiencing a device specific problem, and it definitely should have a report made. What devices do you have in there?03:51
Flankkjdrake, rAmen.03:51
dougb_AForgue, it broke for me around 2.6.20-1303:51
hossosordoes anyone know if ubuntu 7.04 will run linuxmce? i asked in their channel with no luck.03:51
AForgueSB Audigy03:51
TheCreationisttaggie: I don't remember... it's a seagate drive03:51
kde185Fylk: which directories?03:51
concept10hossosor, maybe because you can goto the site and check03:52
FylkCheck the link.03:52
TheCreationistDoes anyone know what the actual program is to install codecs??03:52
dougb_hossosor, linuxmce is a distro that impliments mythTV03:52
hossosorconcept10: i found no answer.  as of today, it only runs on 6.10. as of "tomorrow", it could run on 7.04.  hence the question03:52
taggieTheCreationist: sorry, i don't think anything I can do for you will help. it's most likely going to need a kernel patch if it's a weird device issue, and if Hohlraum is correct, it's going to need an update built anyway.03:53
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RAOFTheCreationist: Synaptic/Add-Remove/apt-get/aptitude03:53
dougb_TheCreationist, synaptics will let you install anything03:53
hossosordougb_: thanks03:53
TheCreationistRAOF: I meant the new gizmo that was supposed to be included with Feisty.03:53
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TheCreationistof course, I don't have sound now either, for some reason.03:54
HairulfrTheCreationist: You mean the automatic codec installer?03:54
TheCreationistHairulfr: Yes.03:54
RAOFTheCreationist: It's not a program, as far as I'm aware.  You just try to play a file with gstreamer, and it suggests the appropriate gstramer plugin03:54
TheCreationist...maybe it isn't included with Kubuntu?03:54
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HairulfrTheCreationist: I haven't found it in beta, so...03:54
TheCreationistRAOF: I tried that... it doesn't offer it.03:54
dougb_TheCreationist, i believe it isnt implimented as well as it is in ubuntu03:55
TheCreationist...was supposedly also capable of installing Flash 9 plugin... not seeing that either.03:55
RAOFTheCreationist: You need to be using a Gstreamer application.  And I don't think KDE apps use GST very much.03:55
dougb_TheCreationist, on feisty 7.04, i've been able to install flash 9 through firefox itself03:55
HairulfrTheCreationist: Are you thinking of EasyUbuntu?03:55
DarkMageZhossosor, currently only 6.10 is supported. you could attempt to use the 6.10 package on feisty, but there is a good chance of running into issues.03:55
FylkWhere would the directory that includes /xchat-systray be?03:55
AForgueHow should I go about setting my PCI card as the default ALSA device (right now it is setting my motherboard as the default)03:56
RAOFAForgue: Check out asoundconf03:56
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HohlraumAForgue: also you bios might support disabling onboard sound which would have the same affect should you not use it03:57
AForgueI see03:57
AForgueOk, I will give it a shot, thanks03:57
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FylkWhat directory is xchat installed into with the default install?03:57
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HohlraumFylk: dpkg -L xchat03:58
kde185ok this might be a stupid question, but will the new codec installer work for kubuntu and will it install libdvdcss?03:58
spikebkde185, no to the last part03:59
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RAOFkde185: No it won't install libdvdcss, because it's not a codec :)03:59
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DarkMageZkde185, it is only for gstreamer based stuff. most kde apps aren't gstreamer based (yet).03:59
FylkHohlraum, will that open the directory it is installed in?03:59
HohlraumFylk: it'll show you were all the files were installed for that package04:00
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RAOFFylk: You have a fundamental misunderstanding.  There *is* no directory that xchat is "installed" in.04:00
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AForgueWoo hoo - asound worked! Thanks04:00
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FylkAh, ok. would it help you guys to know what I'm trying to do?04:00
RAOFFylk: The binary is going to be in /usr/bin, the config will be in /etc & ~/.xchat, any libraries will be in /usr/lib, and a bunch of other places04:00
spenc3got a question on gstreamer.. how come my xvid movies are choppy??04:01
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HohlraumFylk: unix type operating systems tend to distribute the files for a given software across multiple directories so that similar files are in similar locations across apps04:01
carlosquesoFylk...quite possibly04:01
FylkInstalling that jazz.04:01
|NewUser|is there any p2p client except emule ?04:01
spikebsweet sweet bittorrent04:01
carlosqueso!info gtk-gnutella | |NewUser|04:01
ubotu|newuser|: gtk-gnutella: shares files in a peer to peer network. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.96.3-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 2205 kB, installed size 7548 kB04:02
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|NewUser|RAOF, i think bittorrent port is blocked on my network.04:02
kde185I'm sorry but gtk-gnutella is a clunky POS04:02
AngeluzHopefully there will a be a stable (!!!) LinuxDC++-Client sometime...04:02
carlosquesoeh...works for me04:02
RAOF|NewUser|: Which suggests that they don't want you using P2P software of any kind, right :)04:03
kde185yeah it works I guess...but it just seems very clunky04:03
DarkMageZAngeluz, linuxdc++ is fairly stable04:03
|NewUser|RAOF, umm i think u are right.04:04
spikebit has an abomination of a user interface, kde185 heh04:04
AngeluzThen I have the wrong version.04:04
spikebshould fit right in with kde applications, actually ;)04:04
AngeluzThe one from the repos sucks on my box. :-(04:04
sdfasdfawefwill the beta automatically update itself to the final release?04:04
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FylkI'm still doing a clean in stall sdfasdawef.04:05
beg1689im having a problem with my sound i installed LAMP, and now only root can use audio04:05
TheCreationistOkay, could someone help me get my sound working in Feisty now?04:05
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mphillbeg1689, simple, add the user to the audio group04:05
beg1689does that count as a bug?04:06
beg1689i was in the group before..04:06
beg1689i mean, the sound worked before i set up the server04:06
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TheCreationisthehe, my sound doesn't work in Feisty, and I can't even change to administrator mode in User Management04:07
beg1689thats interesting04:07
mphilltype id username04:07
Crazytomdoes xubuntu feisty come out at the same time as reg ubuntu?04:07
beg1689you know the options under "User Privelges"?04:07
mphillbeg1689, yes04:07
beg1689after installing apache they are ALL unchecked04:07
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spenc3anyone know if http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Creative+Labs&card=Sound+Blaster+X-Fi.&chip=UNKNOWN&module=emu10k1#links works for x-fi04:07
DarkMageZAngeluz, there's an actual linuxdc++ client. what were you using?04:07
Angeluzlinuxdc++ :)04:08
AngeluzAs I wrote.04:08
beg1689does "Administer the system" mean enable sudo for that user?04:08
DarkMageZAngeluz, which repository did you get that from :s04:08
mphillspenc3, fuck creative, mine is super flakey!  they are promising drivers sometime in the future04:08
TheCreationistbeg1689: Yes.04:08
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AngeluzOne from the german ubuntuusers.de forums.04:08
spenc3mphill: well, so sound finally comes out from the card??!??!04:09
|NewUser|umm Frostwire is not in any repos?04:09
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DarkMageZAngeluz, how old was that package?04:09
Crazytomi just had to order a new soundcard because my brandnew xfi card won't work with linux04:09
AngeluzDarkMageZ: Don't know, to be honest. :-/04:09
mphillspenc3, not really, sort of, i get this on off beep often times, i already contacted creative about the issue.  they are worthless....04:09
mphillI am using my mobo audio now :(04:09
DarkMageZAngeluz, it was fairly bad awhile ago. but it has seriously improved recently.04:10
FylkHow do I change the notification area icons for xchat?04:10
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AngeluzWhere did you get yours from?04:10
Fylkassuming I have icons to replace them.04:10
DarkMageZAngeluz, i built mine from source04:10
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spenc3mphill: well, creative won't help i guess, ppl reverse engineer their proud proprietary card.. they are not gonna help04:11
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|NewUser|RAOF, is there any download accelerator there? which one resume or download a file more then 1 connection. same time? like I download manager or download accelerator?04:11
AngeluzHmmm... I should take a look at it.04:11
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mphillspenc3, have you seen how pathetic http://opensource.creative.com/ is, its like made with MS frontpage from 199804:12
RAOF!info d4x | |NewUser|04:12
ubotu|newuser|: d4x: graphical download manager. In component universe, is optional. Version (feisty), package size 721 kB, installed size 2048 kB04:12
|NewUser|RAOF, thankyou :)04:12
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spenc3mphill.. i thought someone hacked the site and put that in for the longest time.. LOL..04:13
FylkARG! Where in the seven hell is the directory that contains xchat-systray?04:13
kde185Fylk: slocate xchat-systray04:13
DarkMageZAngeluz, feisty or edgy? x86 or x64?04:14
AngeluzFeisty, x86.04:14
DarkMageZAngeluz, gimme a sec04:14
Fylkkde185, didn't return anything.04:14
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kde185try sudo updatedb then try it04:15
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FylkWas that to me KDe?04:15
FylkGot it. I'm trying to install these icons: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/49026963/?qo=1&q=in%3Acustomization%2Ficons%2Fos%2Fnix+sort%3Atime+xchat04:16
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knixHow does Ubuntu manage to change the screen res/refresh while X is running?04:25
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RAOFknix: With the XRandR extension.04:27
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knixSomehow it's not allowing me to select 60Hz, and even xrandr tells meit's not available :'(04:27
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knixIt goes on and off ... like if I keep HUPing gdm, it'll eventually get 6004:27
spenc3Still kinda wish this version is called flavor flav instead....................................04:28
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AngeluzLesbian Licker... ;)04:28
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rohanhi. will a RC iso be released, before final ?04:31
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Hairulfrrohan: RC has been skipped,04:32
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Hairulfrrohan: Straight to final, in x hours04:32
LordLimecatfeisty beta+update=final, correct?04:32
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LordLimecatno need to reinstall?04:32
rohanah, so release date has not been pushed back !04:32
rohanLordLimecat: yes04:32
spikeberm. yeah.04:32
absumhey, someone who knows how to get decoration with compiz?04:32
dcushmanwill beta be able to be apt upgraded to final?04:32
rohanabsum: it's installed by default in ubuntu 7.0404:32
taggierohan, check the topic, there's a final candidate04:33
LordLimecatso when does the invasion of #ubuntu begin?  when do we strike?04:33
absumrohan, yeah, and i get no decoration04:33
rohandcushman: yes, 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'04:33
dcushmank, thanks04:33
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rohantaggie: true, but not an "official" one, which has an entry on the news page04:33
M4ri00shabsum:  :P04:33
LordLimecatrohan: do those commands do anything that you dont get thru auto-updates?04:33
dcushmanwas the dist-upgrade that came out last week a "RC" test?04:34
|PiP|does avahi still use network-manager?04:34
constyCan't wait for Feisty's release.  I'm buying a system76 just for the occasion!04:34
|PiP|i upgraded to 7.04, and still see network-manager as the wireless configuration tool04:35
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spikebconcept10, cool04:35
HairulfrThe RC was cancelled, as far as I remember... It's just been upgrades building the beta closer to a release04:35
dcushmannvm, I was confused. I had a dist-upgrade on my 6.04... (( too many things going on ))04:35
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dcushmanconsty: system76?04:35
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rohanLordLimecat: not much, though upgrade and dist-upgrade might have few diferences04:35
LordLimecati see04:36
kde185dcushman: they build linux computers04:36
constydcushman: http://www.system76.com04:36
T0uCHwill i am going to be able to install feisty with kubuntu??04:36
richwim on Feisty beta... I will just get updates as normal and Feisty stable (from cd) is same thing right?04:36
carlosquesorichw yup!04:36
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rohanrichw: yes04:37
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LordLimecat354 updates XD04:37
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Bournehi, are the ISO images of Feisty Fawn released to the mirrors?04:37
ubotuPlease read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic04:37
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rohanBourne: not yet04:37
rohanBourne: not for public downloading anyway04:38
Bournerohan: but will they be, since it's like 30 minutes to the 19th april04:38
kde185it's been the 19th for a few hours04:38
rohanBourne: yes, but 19th april is not a fixed dadate04:38
rohanand yes, it's been 19th here for a long time too04:38
Bournethe site says "tomorrow"04:38
kde185it's more of an estimate04:39
rohanBourne: which site ?04:39
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constyjust cross your fingers04:39
Bournewhich is actually thirty minutes to "tomorrow", which is pratically "today"04:39
constythat it'll be soon04:39
LordLimecatwait a tic,,,,,say i accept the 354 updates....if one component is updated AS theyre being downloaded, will the new-new version be downloaded?04:39
protocol1havent got any updates for the past few days for some reason......is ti on hold till tommorrow or something?04:39
Bourneubuntu.com says "tomorrow"04:39
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LordLimecatubuntu is in africa04:40
spikebi think they use UTC04:40
LordLimecatthat may change things?'04:40
DogBoysometimes tomorrow is 30 minute away04:40
LordLimecat(i think)04:40
Bourneso it should be 19th there already104:40
kskiit won't be the 19th in oregon for a few hours yet04:40
PWillit is 2:20 am UTC i believe04:40
HairulfrNight all... can't wait anymore now, off to bed (0439 in the morning), happy waiting and enjoy04:40
FylkHey, any one use the systray addon for xchat?04:40
spikeband they never promised a midnight release :)04:40
spikebFylk, i cant find a use for it04:40
PWillFylk: i do04:40
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LordLimecatspikeb: we as internet users have the right to expect it04:40
kde185use GAIM04:40
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Bournei see that but stuff like that you know ISOs are released to the mirrors way before the actual party release04:40
spikebLordLimecat, especially if we're high on caffeine04:40
PWillkde185: for IRC?!04:40
protocol1its 6:40PM AK time here04:40
jugoWhat time does feisty come out?04:40
FylkPwill: Can you see it? I'm not getting any icons. Just a blank spot.04:40
defendguinmight thunderbird 2.0 make into feisty repos?04:40
spikebdefendguin, not a chance.04:40
protocol1so I have less than 6 hours for the update04:40
megafaunawhat jugo said04:40
spikebit JUST came out04:40
PWillFylk: disable it and the re-enable it04:40
LordLimecati say @ midnight everyone in here piles into #ubuntu04:40
protocol1if nott sooner04:40
kde185PWill: it works and it has a system trey04:40
FylkGot it.04:41
richwWhat you guys like better, Beryl or Compiz?04:41
defendguinspikeb: why is that?04:41
jugoAnyone hve a link?04:41
LordLimecatrichw: theyve merged o.004:41
CientificoLocohello, at what hour will be released the 704 tomorrow?04:41
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kde185Compiz is more stable04:41
spikebdefendguin, feisty's repos have been frozen in terms of new applications for a while now, and Tbird 2 just came out earlier today04:41
PWillFinal ISO's are available, release is not officially announced04:41
Hairulfrrichw: Beryl04:41
jugoWhat time does feisty come out?04:41
richwLordLimecat: Really? didnt know that04:41
megafaunapls put THE HOUR into the channel topic04:41
kde185but not as pretty04:41
BourneI really need a good 64mb/128mb AGP 4x video card to run linux, with my current card, its useless04:41
spikebdefendguin, might make it into -backports eventually though04:41
igorgueBeryl is just a stupid fork04:41
defendguinwhy go down the beryl road if its folding into compiz?04:41
LordLimecatrichw: im pretty sure they have04:41
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jugoWhat time does feisty come out?04:41
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spikebBourne, a radeon 9200 would do the trick.04:41
LordLimecatigorgue: im PRETTY sure they merged :) and beryl is a PRETTY fork04:41
PWillCompiz v Beryl does not matter. They are re-merging.04:41
Hairulfrkde185: What? Are you seirous, not here it isn't04:41
richwLordLimecat: Find a link to a article saying that?04:41
CientificoLocohello, at what hour will be released the 704 tomorrow?04:42
LordLimecatrichw: one sec04:42
jugoGo to the #ubuntu-effects channel to talk about this04:42
megafaunalol. the hour04:42
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jugoWhat hour will feisty be released04:42
igorguenop is just a license thing04:42
FylkPwill: May seem stupid, how do I disable it?04:42
spikebyes, they merged back into one project.04:42
Bournespikeb: but ATi they say the support is weak and drivers are hell to install... they say nVidia has got the best drivers/cards04:42
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igorguejust because compiz is MIT X1104:42
spikebBourne, the radeon 9200 is supported by open source drivers04:42
PWillFylk: Settings > Prefs > Chatting > Alerts04:42
spikebBourne, so that's a pretty safe bet.04:42
PWillthen disable, click OK04:42
igorgueLordLimecat: did you get that?04:42
jugoWhat hour will feisty be released04:42
PWillgo back to the menus04:42
PWillenable, hit OK04:42
Bournespikeb: you gamer?04:43
CientificoLocohello,  what hour will feisty be released ?04:43
HairulfrATI is hell getting to work, I recommend Nvidia04:43
spikebBourne, no.04:43
igorguejugo, we don't know04:43
PWillCientificoLoco: nobody knows04:43
spikebBourne, ATI cards suck for gaming on linux.04:43
spikebHairulfr, not the card i am recommending.04:43
PWillAIT cards suck at everything04:43
Bourneyes, that is what I heard of04:43
FylkPwill: ok, now I have a wonderfull blank spot where they systray plugin is.04:43
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igorguejugo you know is just 02:00 UTC04:43
megafaunaif the final release is out, though it is unannounced, then can I pls have a link04:43
PWillFylk: did you re-enable it?04:43
M4ri00shjugo: 12:00 pm04:43
igorguewait a little04:43
Bournei have heard that the nVIdia Geforce 6000 is spetacular04:43
megafauna1.25 hours till release?04:43
LordLimecatrichw, igorgue: http://lists.beryl-project.org/pipermail/beryl-dev/2007-March/000371.html04:44
FylkThe systray plugin or the build in one?04:44
PWillwhy would they release at 4AM?04:44
LordLimecati may have been mistaken04:44
rohanmegafauna: no, it's not a midnight release04:44
richwLordLimecat: Ty il read04:44
megafaunawill feistly let me install beryl easily?04:44
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rohanmegafauna: and it's already 8.15 am here :)04:44
megafaunarohan -no? oph. that suck04:44
LordLimecatalso, "beryl has 3 times as much code as compiz"...fork indeed04:44
megafaunarohan. lol04:44
rohanmegafauna: yes, it's already in the universe repo. apt-get install beryl04:44
protocol1is there anything special the beta users have to do to update our machine or is it as simple as using the update manager?04:44
ChetwinI have a serious problem, can someone please help me determine the cause of lock ups when listening to music???04:44
Hairulfrmegafauna: has it ever been difficult? It was easy for me in the beta, so, yes, I should think so04:44
PWillYes, but Beryl and Compiz are re-merging, so arguing about them is stupid,04:46
megafaunaHairulfr: i saw terrifying install tutorials and backed off, like it was an attractive but dirty girl04:46
LordLimecatPWill: http://lists.beryl-project.org/pipermail/beryl-dev/2007-March/000371.html04:46
HairulfrPWill: No, coz they are still to different "products" :P04:46
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spikebHairulfr, no they will not be.04:46
LordLimecatunless theres newer articles saying theyve changed their minds?04:46
T0uCHare we gonna be able to download live cd of feisty ?04:46
PWillLordLimecat: yes, i have read it04:46
spikebHairulfr, the beryl team is going to work on compiz's eye candy plugins.04:46
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LordLimecatso they ARE still merging?04:46
M4ri00shkill me please !!!04:46
LordLimecatmost of my news on the topic was read on a blackberry, so i probably missed a lto04:46
Hairulfrmegafauna: Attractive and dirty girls are the best. Look at www.ubuntuguide.org and search for beryl, that's a very easy guide04:46
cablesHas anyone had any trouble getting Democracy TV working on Feisty?04:46
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PWillcables: I posted a fix to the Feisty Forums04:46
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Hairulfrspikeb: I know, but that doesn't change the fact that when I switch to compiz it's like doing something horrible to myself04:47
cablesPWill, thanks! Can you send me a link?04:47
PWillsearch for it, I don't know where it is sorry04:47
PWillhold on04:47
cablesPWill, okay, I will :)04:47
LordLimecatquestion.....i have edgy eft, and want to start fresh with feisty....04:47
cablesPWill, let's see who gets there first04:47
LordLimecatbut i want home directory preserved04:47
spikebHairulfr, you'll just have to get used to it or fork it again yourself04:47
cablesLordLimecat, backup to a CD would be my best guess04:47
LordLimecatwhats simplest way to do this aside from copying 4 gbs to a usb drive04:47
cablesLordLimecat, ohhh :)04:47
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cablesLordLimecat, is it on a separate partition?04:47
LordLimecatsigh, no04:47
PWillcables: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=40379604:48
RawSewagemaybe get the special version, or whatever it's called04:48
cablesPWill, thanks so much04:48
megafaunai can't believe i'm excited about a software, an os release. Has my inner geek been freed? Has this Promethean trait silently waited through the failt jock years and endless hours of television bordem to exescape and decimate all now?04:48
LordLimecatresize=/= option, smallass drive04:48
LordLimecat20-30 gb04:48
LordLimecatdont ask why i havent upgraded04:48
LordLimecatim lazyt04:48
jordan__LordLimecat, Why not upgrade?04:48
spikebmegafauna, yes.04:48
megafaunaHairulfr. Thanks, I'll look it up.04:48
megafaunaspikeb lol:)04:48
cablesLordLimecat, I haven't either, I'm sane :)04:48
LordLimecatjordan__: thats possibly what im looking for?04:48
HairulfrLordLimecat: I just kept my home partition and chose it during the installe as the new home. It preserved everything. But you should probably scrap your custom config etc before04:48
PWilltoo many people here04:48
carlosquesomegafauna....embrace your geekiness...i remember when dapper released...stayed up all night for it04:48
PWilli need to go to a calmer channel04:48
jordan__LordLimecat, When Feisty is released, just open Update-manager and it will ask if you want to upgrade to Feisty04:49
megafaunaI have. I have come out of the server closet04:49
LordLimecatHairulfr: i dont want extra crap from the old install.....just rm -rf everything else during install?04:49
stdinPWill: you should try #ubuntu , only 1138 people in there :P04:49
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PWillstdin: oh dear04:49
HairulfrLordLimecat: Didn't work for me, had to do it afterwards and do the install all over, so wipe the drive before you install04:49
LordLimecatstdin: until we raid them tonight04:49
cablesLordLimecat, I should clarify, I haven't upgraded my main machine.04:49
cablesHow do I install the KVM frontend?04:50
PWillstdin: i believe my head would explode. i have been troubleshooting for people all day.04:50
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LordLimecati need to not be lazy, then i wouldnt have these issues -_- i have a core2 system waiting for me to mail in an RMA for the proc...and multiple ubuntu-able comps waiting for ram.....04:50
stdinPWill: it helps to focus on 1 person at a time04:50
PWillstdin: that's why I like PMing04:50
PWillbut it's not useful to other people having the same problem04:51
cablesstdin, ooh, i like your nick a lot.04:51
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stdinheh, thanks :)04:51
PWillstdin: and i always end up helping like 5 people at a time04:51
cablesstdin, buut you're registered, so no hope of stealing it :) :(04:51
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stdincables: I stole it from whoever had it before, it wasn't using in over a year, so I got a staffer to drop it for me :)04:56
cablesstdin, nice :)04:56
NemesisDubuntu doesn't seem to be jiving with my laptop's wireless networking card :(04:56
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stdincables: oh, and about your question :Pkvm is the module, the frontend is qemu04:56
cablesstdin, so is there an easy nice frontend i can install easily and nicely?04:56
stdincables: there is a GUI for it somewhere on the net, but I don't think it's in the repos04:56
cablesstdin, oh :(04:56
cablesstdin, I guess i could hack it04:56
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stdincables: look on the qemu site04:56
cablesi didn't mean hack04:56
Balesis the RC released yet?04:56
cablesi meant install04:56
cablesBales, i don't think there will be an rc04:56
Balesis the final candidate released then?04:56
HairulfrThe RC was cancelled04:56
stdinBales: feisty will be out today04:56
Balesstdin: Any idea on time?04:56
stdinBales: no, when it's ready I guess04:56
stdinBales: but sometime today04:56
Balesstdin: alright. Any word on if it'll be a lot different than the beta?04:56
cablesBales, shouldn't be...04:56
stdinBales: it won't be that different (from the users point of view), but there are more updates and bug fixes04:56
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HairulfrHerd 1, Herd 2, Herd 3, Herd 4, Herd 5,  Beta Release, Final Release. Bales, I don't think there will be many differences04:56
LordLimecathey, i want to install kde (the whole metapackage)...it comes with a bunch of kde apps....questions:04:56
LordLimecatfirst, will kde apps run faster when kde is running?04:56
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cablesLordLimecat, probably04:57
spikebthey'll START faster.04:57
richwI could make a script to notify me when it comes out... play a loud noise maybe?04:57
LordLimecatie, can running amarok in gnome cause slowness?04:57
cablesLordLimecat, start, but not run04:57
stdinLordLimecat: you should install "kubuntu-desktop" not "kde"04:57
LordLimecatsecond....is there a way to segregate the menu for gnome and kde?04:57
HairulfrLordLimecat: Amarok runs fine in gnome, and it doesn't look too ugly, like many other KDE apps do in gnome04:57
LordLimecatjust an example :)04:58
LordLimecatand by my second question, i mean, i dont want kubuntu stuff appearing in gnome, and vice versa04:58
stdinLordLimecat: not really, anymore. it's intergrated by design, for better interoperability04:58
LordLimecat^^ answer to which?04:58
stdinLordLimecat: "second....is there a way to segregate the menu for gnome and kde?"04:58
M4ri00shi wish kde and gnome worked together on some: win-killer gui :)04:59
LordLimecatjust dont want the menus getting too gigantic04:59
richwJust some research for a future linux software project.. how many of you use lirc here?04:59
M4ri00shstandardize the crap :)04:59
LordLimecatkde is a bit much, but i like having it incase gdm coughs up a lung04:59
megafaunarichw: I use irc. three outa four ain't bad?04:59
LordLimecatcause then i got kdm04:59
richwlinux infrared05:00
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megafaunarichw. what is it?05:00
richw"linux infrared remote control"05:00
richwhence lirc05:00
Hairulfrrichw: No, but I've tried the bluetooth one, without success.05:00
richwits basically a gnome gui to configure lirc05:01
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=== LordLimecat cant wait to get a wiimote operating beryl
richwKDE has something similar but its very basic... im planning something more powerful05:01
HairulfrLordLimecat: Hehe, that would look crazy :) The cube should wobble as well...05:02
cablesLordLimecat, there was a vid of someone using a wiimote on a dual-monitor system for beryl with a candle instead of a sensor bar... it was the geekiest thing in the world!05:02
LordLimecatcables: i saw that, and i cried05:02
LordLimecatit was so beautiful05:02
cablesLordLimecat, lol05:02
LordLimecatwait, candle?05:02
LordLimecati didnt notice that05:02
LordLimecatthat works?05:03
cablesLordLimecat, yeah! two candles replace the ir transmitters05:03
LordLimecatthought he had some sort of crazy tv remote setup hidden somewhere'05:03
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LordLimecatwait...idea forming05:03
LordLimecatheat lamps=ir....05:03
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LordLimecatlava lamp IR emitters!05:03
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HairulfrLordLimecat: That's too much.05:04
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christopis there an offical countdown timer for the release? seems like it's been saying release is tomorrow for a couple of days now. Maybe it's a timezone thing, but I'd still like to know exactly.05:04
hanruyeah :P for me, it's thursday already05:05
LordLimecatit shall be done :D05:05
ceil420christop, i just tell people to wait for it to be the 19th in Hawaii :p05:05
richwGUI to configure lirc05:05
richwI got a infrared sensor recently and im controlling a variety of apps with a remote control.. pretty cool.05:05
adultswimits a timezone thing... it will be released in the next 24 hours or so most likely05:05
hanruceil420: screw hawaii, china is bigger and more important. we want our feisty fawn now05:05
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hanruand we have hotter girls than hawaii05:06
hanruso we win05:06
ceil420lol hanru05:06
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christopI've had to not use 6.10 because of some sort of soft lockup on boot, so I'm really looking forward to this release05:07
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RawSewagewhats the page that will show when Feisty is released05:07
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christop6.06 work fine though...05:08
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RawSewageIf I run Kubuntu, but decide to install and run one GNOME app that uses GTK, am I basically running 2 WMs?05:09
ANTDx2RawSewage, ubuntu.com?05:09
TheDebuggerNo, only the libs05:10
LordLimecatwhen you install a .deb package, if its not in the repos, its not updated, is it05:11
megafaunahanru: i demand pictorial proof on the hotter issue05:11
stdinLordLimecat: right05:11
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hanrumegafauna: I don't have any, but I could stroll downtown and take pictures of the multitude of cute chinese girls shopping there at the pedestrian malls ;o05:12
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DogBoyis this channel going to explode when the release comes out05:13
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RawSewageeveryone will be busy installing05:14
Centaur5no, cause then this channel is gutsy  :)05:14
hanruno, it's going to go idle05:14
LordLimecatis it a bad idea to add repos for wine, given that wine exists in the default repos (although slightly dated)?05:14
RawSewageI do a fresh format/install each release05:15
BHSPitMonkeyI use the official wine repo05:15
RawSewagegood excuse to clean your HD05:15
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BHSPitMonkeyit's the best-maintained unofficial repo I have05:15
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DogBoyis everybody staring at ubuntu.com and just hitting reload on the browser?05:15
stdinLordLimecat: it shouldn't hurt, as the only app in the wine repo is wine05:15
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VirhYl4any idea what's up when wine can't find your audio card?05:15
LordLimecatBHSPitMonkey: i did not see one mentioned on winehq05:15
RawSewageIm staring at Kubuntu.com pressing reload05:15
megafaunaDogBoy: No I'm watching Seinfeld with this on in the background05:16
crimsunum, I'd save my button presses. We're still some hours away.05:16
megafaunacrimsun: how do u know?05:16
BHSPitMonkeyLordLimecat, I can't imagine how, but: http://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb05:16
RawSewagehe knows05:16
crimsunmegafauna: there are a number of things that occur when the release is "just about there"05:16
DogBoyseinfeld eh05:16
DogBoynever seen that05:16
LordLimecatoh -_- thought they were just gonna give me .deb05:17
LordLimecatthanks :)05:17
crimsunmegafauna: our release manager is here in the channel. Rest assured you'll know when it's out.05:17
LordLimecatdidnt actually press the debian button, thought it downloaded05:17
fulat2kwhat last minute fixes are there?05:17
RawSewagemaybe for next release, they can have a cellphone thing where you leave your cellphone number, and they call you when the release is ready05:17
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VirhYl4how do I get the latest wine in Feisty?05:18
megafaunacrimsun: well I guess i'll install it later as opposed to tonight then:(05:18
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Centaur5Do packages like linux-headers and others ever delete themselves when they're outdated?05:19
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qweasdzxcwhat about this iso? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/05:19
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boris55Where is feisty?05:19
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BHSPitMonkeyboris55, where it's always been, why?05:20
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Centaur5qweasdzxc: That will be equivalent to the alternate cd though if you don't want the live.05:20
crimsunqweasdzxc: it's the latest daily-live image.05:20
Dr_willisIm using Feisty now05:20
mxpxpodI just dist-upgraded from edgy to feisty and now the kernel (2.6.20) loads but won't go into running the init scripts... can someone help me?05:20
Centaur5crimsun: Oh really?  Since when did they make daily live?05:20
boris55is it released?05:20
crimsunCentaur5: "daily-live" == desktop cd, that's all. No more, no less.05:20
desyncqweasdzxc: I was wondering the same thing since there's a kubuntu build from today05:20
gilswhats a good ISO programs05:20
Dr_willisgils,  clarify that question a bit.05:21
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megafaunaGeorge is converting to latvian orthodox.05:21
dax3y<mxpxpod>i have the same problem05:21
gilssorry, i used to have kiso when i used kde....what is a good one for gnoem05:21
mxpxpoddax3y: any clues?05:21
qweasdzxcdesync, lol!05:21
crimsunmxpxpod: please describe in more detail.05:21
dax3y<mxpxpod> i don't know :(05:22
Dr_willisgils,  you could install kiso and use it under gnome.05:22
mxpxpodcrimsun: what more detail do you need?05:22
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crimsunmxpxpod: precisely where in the boot sequence it seems to halt05:22
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crimsunmxpxpod: if necessary and you have a digital camera, post a digital photo05:22
gilshmmm, ok. Is there a better one?05:22
mxpxpodcrimsun: I booted in recovery mode and it seems to load the kernel modules, but go no further05:22
Dr_willisgils,  depends on what you are doing exactly i guess. I rarely ever need to modify the actual .iso file05:23
crimsunmxpxpod: please, we need at least a digital photo or a pastebinned (typed out manually if necessary) of the last twenty or so lines05:23
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dax3ymxpxpod: ubuntu freeze when the orange bar is 1mm width ?05:23
mxpxpoddax3y: yeah05:23
dax3ymxpxpod: me too (sorry for my bad english)05:24
mxpxpodcrimsun: I'll see what I can do... I booted into 2.6.17 but now my video drivers don't work because of a conflict between the kernel module and x drivers05:24
gilsi have a crap load of cd's i want to back up and modify. want to create large modifyable ISOs05:24
crimsunthat sounds like one of several initramfs issues05:24
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crimsunjust wait ~3 minutes, and it should drop you to a normal shell05:24
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mxpxpodcrimsun: and then what?05:25
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taggieokay who wants to work off some of this "omg, is it available yet?!" energy on a sound problem? when i play games on feisty, i get weird stuttering in my sound, stutters seem to coincide with keypresses and mouse activity05:25
mxpxpodwill it have run all the init.d scripts?05:25
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megafaunataggie: dude, i make stuttery sounds for fun.05:26
crimsunmxpxpod: assuming you're doing this in single user ("recovery"), you can then `telinit 2` and regenerate the initramfs (`sudo update-initramfs -u`)05:26
DogBoytaggie, not me, I'm gonna continue hitting reload at ubuntu.com05:26
taggiemegafauna: yeah, i wouldn't mind it, but it's really cramping my supertux game05:26
mxpxpodcrimsun: can I do that from a different kernel? like 2.6.17?05:26
RawSewageRelease isnt for a few hours at least05:26
megafaunataggie, i'd help if i could but i'm a total newb.05:26
taggieDogboy: i wouldn't want to interrupt... i know how excited everybody is. :)05:27
crimsunmxpxpod: sure, just make sure you pass the appropriate parameter(s) to update-initramfs(8)05:27
DogBoywhy is that RawSewage05:27
RawSewagemy guess is 8 hours05:27
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gilstaggie: are you using ALSO or OSS?05:27
mxpxpodcrimsun: ok, thanks05:27
DogBoybased on what RawSewage05:27
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taggiegils, pretty sure i'm using alsa, is there a quick way to be certain?05:27
RawSewagelast release came out at about 1200 GMT I think05:27
torpedo|dogI have a tiny problem with Totem: All my video shows up in really funky colours.05:28
mxpxpodcrimsun: so, "sudo update-initramfs -u -k 2.6.20-15-generic"?05:28
RawSewageno wait, it was earlier05:28
taggiegils, actually, i should say, in the gnome sound preferences, i've got alsa selected for all playback05:28
RawSewageanyway, it's only 4:30 am at Ubuntu HQ05:28
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gilsok try restarting ALSO and the play your game see if it still does that05:29
RawSewageso we have to wait until at least 9am, IMO05:29
crimsunmxpxpod: yes05:29
taggiegils, also, i should mention, it doesn't do anything weird while playing movies, dvd's, music, etc. only gaming as far as i can tell05:29
DogBoycan't we just move hq05:29
gils*ALSA,  i cant spell today05:29
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taggiegils, it's been doing this since install weeks ago.05:29
mxpxpodcrimsun: ok, lemme go try it... bbiab05:29
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gilshave you tried restarting ALSA before going into a game...05:30
jdso are most here "waiting"?  :)05:30
taggiei'll try that now.05:30
jttif they have locked the RC's will they make any changes to the RC's before releasing05:30
stdinjd: nothing stopping you from upgrading now, if you want to05:30
jttbefore releasing = before final release05:31
RawSewageis Goobuntu based on GNOME or KDE05:31
megafaunajd: no. it won't be out before I crash out for the night. I'm just contributing to the party atmosphere05:31
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ANTDx1Ok guys05:32
megafaunajd: also i'm drinking too05:32
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jdhahaha  me too!05:32
megafaunawhat r u drinking?05:32
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ANTDx1For some reason, my XGL session is broken, and 3d acceleration on my Radeon x200m is broken05:32
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ANTDx1Anyone have any idea what could've caused it?05:32
jdbutterscotch schnapps05:32
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gilsok boys and girls i am off to bed. the vibe of utter excitement and anticipation is too much for my Gin and Tonic laced blood05:33
GeekChick|I'm having issues with video playback with Feisty Fawn. The colors are very bad, people's skin is blue tinted, and blue objects are orange tones, etc....using ATI Mobility Radeon X130005:33
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jdIt's kinda brownish...  in the spirit of Ubuntu.05:33
megafaunajd nice choice. lets have a cheer for feisty05:33
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gilsbut to all of you fine people eagerly awaiting, speed download to all05:34
megafaunaCheers! Let the penguins migrate north!05:34
jdmegafauna:  Here's to feisty!05:34
taggieGeekChick, i had that with totem, when i used mplayer and vlc, it didn't do that.05:34
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GeekChick|taggie, so it's a totem issue?05:35
taggieas far as i could tell, it was the only player that gave me the issue.05:35
GeekChick|taggie, so you use mplayer instead?05:36
taggieGeekChick|: i have to say tho, it had a certain appeal, everybody looked like smurfs.05:36
spikeblol tag05:36
GeekChick|does mplayer have scrollwheel seeking?05:36
GeekChick|taggie, yes, thats exactly it. smurfs.05:36
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taggieGeekChick|: mostly i use VLC, but mplayer on occasion.05:36
iamalexhey guys, is /boot the only partition I need to mark bootable05:36
GeekChick|iamalex, yes05:37
iamalexthanks :) figured as such05:37
iamalexseems simple enough05:37
taggieGeekChick|: dunno about scroll wheel seek, i use a trackpoint and don't have a mouse handy to test05:37
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GeekChick|hmmm ill brb then.05:38
GeekChick|thanks taggie05:38
GeekChick|taggie, do you also have the Intel Proset 3945 ABG?05:38
taggieGeekChick|: yep, i'm using a thinkpad t60p, that's the default card05:38
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pschulz01Where are the feisty rc iso images located?05:38
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GeekChick|taggie, does the new feisty fawn network manager in notification area give you that fancy dropdown list of available wireless networks? it doesnt work for me.05:39
GeekChick|taggie, I can connect fine, but it only shows "manual mode"05:39
mxpxpodcrimsun: ok, so it looks like the initramfs is seeing sda as sdb05:39
voidmagerelease is tomorrow05:39
GeekChick|taggie, talking about http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/05:39
gilsoh one quick question, how can i get command line 'rm' delete command to throw things to trash and not delete permanently!!?05:40
crimsunmxpxpod: ok, so did the UUID conversion fail? (Was edgy not using UUIDs for fstab(5)?)05:40
taggieGeekChick|: yes it does, but i'm actually using .7, tho, .6.4 from stock feisty did also05:40
mxpxpodcrimsun: it was using uuids05:40
voidmagealias rm='rm -i'05:40
DogBoygils, write an alias or script called rm05:40
mxpxpodcrimsun: and it works fine in edgy05:40
voidmagethat will ask you to confirm removing anything05:40
GeekChick|taggie, for me its not. hmmm. do you remember if you had to do any special configuration for it?05:40
voidmageput that in your ~/.bashrc05:40
taggieGeekChick|: are you able to manually enter ssids? and no, it worked right out of the box05:41
voidmagethen make sure to either restart your shell or source ~/.bashrc05:41
GeekChick|taggie, yah, i can manually enter them, thats how i am connected, but the auto feature isnt working.05:41
gilsok now that script with the -i tag will simply ask me for confirmation before delete?05:41
taggiethat's strange05:41
crimsunmxpxpod: ok, I've seen this mentioned in -kernel; query the linux-source-2.6.20 bugs on Launchpad05:42
taggieGeekChick|: the only thing i needed .7 for was LEAP support05:42
philipok I guess I'll be the last person to download the beta version05:42
philipgonna report some bugs :P05:42
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voidmagegils: yeah05:42
mxpxpodcrimsun: ok, I'll let you know what I find05:43
GeekChick|taggie, hmmm. are you using the proprietary drivers in feisty fawn?05:43
gilsvoidmage: thats good. but does rm always completely remove stuff as opposed to  send to trash05:43
gilsok thats what i was wondering05:43
gilsthank you05:43
taggieGeekChick|: yep, i have done absolutely zero configuration of the wireless, it installed the restricted drivers on install and it's been working since.05:44
voidmagedon't know where the trash is stored05:44
voidmagein kde i know it's ~/.Trash05:44
GeekChick|taggie, hmmm, well i dont know then. ill brb.05:44
gilsoh i know where the trash is stored05:44
voidmageokay then you can do05:44
BHSPitMonkeysame in gnome05:44
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voidmagealias rm='mv -t ~/.Trash'05:44
gilsthats not my issue. I just didnt realize how to use the command line to delete something in a way that sends the files deleted to trash.05:45
gilscan i right a script for that too?05:45
BHSPitMonkeyyeah... you can just alias something arbitrary to "mv -t ~/.Trash"05:45
gilsahh ok05:45
BHSPitMonkeylike, 'delete'05:45
BHSPitMonkeyor del, whatever floats your boat05:45
gilsBHSPitMonkey: thanks05:46
nomasteryodaoh, sorry wrong chan05:46
voidmagekde's trash is interesting05:46
spikebuse trash as the command, then you'll not get mixed up with rm heh05:46
gilsvoidmage: thanks too05:46
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BHSPitMonkeyvoidmage, that's the same thing you said about your neighbors', creep05:46
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ANTDx1Does anyone know how i can get my restricted driver to work?05:47
Dr_williswhich restricted driver?05:48
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ANTDx1ATI X200M05:49
whoniccafeisty gets rls'ed exactly at one time05:49
whonicca12am eastern?05:49
ANTDx1The forums say it sould be in the restricted drivers manager05:49
mxpxpodcrimsun: so, just search for initramfs  in the 2.6.20 bugs?05:49
ANTDx1However, when I try doing that, it says there are no restricted drivers needed for my system.05:49
kde1854:20 AM05:49
ANTDx1I had the restricted driver in 6.1005:49
ANTDx1It isn't working correctly in 7.0405:50
voidmagetried the restricted manager?05:50
ffadyeah anyone know what time of day it's going to be released? GMT?05:50
megafaunaffad i heard 8 hours from now, 1/2 hr ago05:50
ANTDx1Yeah I tried the restricted manager05:50
ffadok thanks megafauna05:50
ANTDx1says there are no drivers needed for my system.05:50
crimsunmxpxpod: that's a good starting point05:50
ffadthat's an odd time05:51
taggieantdx1, were you using fglrx with 6.1?05:51
ANTDx1yes Iwas05:51
taggieyou should just be able to sudo apt-get install fglrx and it should go. my x1600 works fine with it.05:51
ANTDx1let me see05:51
taggieANTDx1: sorry, it's xorg-driver-fglrx05:52
taggieand then fglrx-control for the control panel05:52
ANTDx1it is already the newest version05:53
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megafaunai love the foot. i'm a big fan of the foot05:53
ANTDx1one thing05:53
ANTDx1I did not have it autoremove the old kernel modules05:53
ANTDx1from the kernel05:53
taggieANTDx1, go to a shell, and type fglrxinfo05:53
ANTDx1Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".05:54
taggieyeah, so it's not running05:54
ANTDx1yeah i know...05:54
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mxpxpodcrimsun: here's the solution: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/10686405:55
ubotuMalone bug 106864 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Feisty boot fail "can't access tty" IDE SATA problem" [High,Confirmed] 05:55
ANTDx1It did recognize my card in the restricted manager during a beta, but did not configure it correctly05:55
taggieANTDx1, in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, scroll down to the video card section and see what driver is listed05:55
crimsunmxpxpod: good.05:56
RawSewagemegafauna, I was just guessing05:56
mxpxpoddax3y: did you see the link I posted?05:56
taggieANTDx1, you can just type "grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf" for a super quick check05:56
ANTDx1Driver      "fglrx"05:56
megafaunaRawSewage: oh. i won't pass it on then.05:56
RawSewagemegafauna, you can if you want but it's probably wrong05:57
dax3y<mxpxpod> yes thanks i'm on the page :)05:57
taggieANTDx1, check ~.xsession-errors to see if it's throwing an error you can see05:57
mxpxpoddax3y: the solution is the third from the bottom05:58
mxpxpoddax3y: the thing about piix in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules05:58
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binskipy2uone more day to go till fiesty05:58
ANTDx1modinfo: could not open /lib/modules/2.6.20-15-generic/volatile/fglrx.ko: No such file or directory05:58
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ANTDx1I'm guessing that's a problem.05:58
taggieyeah, not having the modules would be an issue :)05:59
binskipy2uhshahah mega05:59
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BHSPitMonkeyclever dude05:59
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sacmat!when fiesty05:59
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about when fiesty - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi05:59
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sacmat!time release fiesty05:59
nomasteryodatomorrow sacater ... see the topic05:59
taggieANTDx1, try installing: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-15-generic05:59
ShaddoxHi everyone. I need help fixing my sound in Wolfenstein Enemy Territory.06:00
sacmatits 19th here06:00
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nomasteryodaShaddox, man you stil have that problem....06:00
nomasteryodawish i knew06:00
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nomasteryoda19th here too06:00
Shaddoxnomasteryoda: Yeah, and it's getting really annoying. X_x06:00
ANTDx1it's already the newest version06:00
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Linoleumhey , I dont understand : we are the 19th of april, but there is still no feisty, and there is the same new : tomorow realese of feisty .. but tomorow is today now !06:00
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taggiewell, beyond removing and reinstalling that package, i don't know where to go next with that one.06:00
voidmageLinoleum: it just hit midnight06:01
voidmagegive it a bit more time06:01
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voidmagelike maybe since canonical is a business they'd release it first thing in the business day?06:01
spikebunderstand this: it's not out yet. when it is, you'll be able to see that very easily.06:01
dcushmanWe've been developing a product for 4 months and telling the project managers it will ship "Tomorrow" :)06:01
jdThey never release "on the dot"06:01
voidmageso some time in the morning i'd say06:01
iankesterhaneyhello, I am havin g an issue with rescuing a previous install.  the uuid thing is driving me nut.  I can't seem to get it fixed.06:01
sacmatfuck mark shuttleworth man!06:02
voidmagethe version you'd get now is still basically the release06:02
nomasteryodahmm, need to setup my ssh server here so i can remote in, open screen start the torrent and get off...06:02
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Linoleumvoidmage; ho ok.. so canonical, which timezone are they ?06:02
jdwoah-k then06:02
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ShaddoxCan anyone help me with a Quake III engine game sound issue?06:02
WikzoIsn't this beta version?06:02
ANTDx1do i need an "fgrlx" in the Module load section?06:02
voidmageLinoleum: GMT i believe06:02
philipMS always releases to manufacturing by more than a month...Ubuntu has to better MS in that department :P06:03
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kde185I'm pretty sure things in the ubuntu universe are according to GMT time, however it takes time to compile and roll a distro so perhaps it'll be done when it's done?06:03
Linoleumok tkx guys ;)06:03
iankesterhaneyubuntu has less bugs on release the MS, even though MS had extra years to release\06:03
RawSewageUbuntu HQ are in the UK06:03
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jdWell think of it this way.  If you did it the way MS did it you'd be still waiting another 2 years from now06:04
RawSewageit's only 5am in the UK06:04
ubotuChannel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs06:04
taggieANTDx1: make sure fglrx isn't in the /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common file06:04
chemisusare there going to be seeds up for the torrents of the new release on release?06:04
philiptongue-in-cheek about MS...I haven't used MS in years I wouldn't know06:04
kde185I honestly think Vista is a good OS06:05
spikebchemisus, based on the past, the tracker will be broken half the day before they get it right06:05
kde185I just like Linux better06:05
chemisusspikeb, thanks06:05
kde185god damn I need some beer06:05
jdThe only reason I like Linux is it doesn't slow down the longer you use it06:05
spikebkde185, blasphemer!06:05
ANTDx1it says fglrx is disabled...06:05
kde185hey I didn't say I use it, I just say it doesn't live up to all the fud06:06
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iankesterhaneyhello, how can I get my ubuntu system fixed, is there a program I can run to redo the grub config and install it on the MBR?06:06
taggieANTDx1, aha, remove that.06:06
jdWell Vista sure is helping the price of hardware come down.06:06
philipjd, I'm actually needing to wipe my feisty install due to manual configs I did since breezy (kept updating)06:06
spikebAMD's desperation to clear the shelves is bringing the price of the hardware i'm buying down06:07
ANTDx1i'm going to restart and see if that helps things a bit.06:07
nomasteryodajd, that is the lower end... pricewatch shows all the core2duo systems going up06:07
taggieANTDx1: once removed, run sudo modprobe fglrx06:07
ANTDx1oh k06:07
spikebintel's stuff isn't going cheaper :|06:07
ANTDx1still says no such file or directory06:07
nomasteryodaspikeb, some is06:07
Wikzo==== Ubuntu 7.04 Release ====Start: 00:00End: 23:59 It could be 23.53 the night before Friday ... :S06:07
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spikebnomasteryoda, intel's definition of cheaper and my definition haven't matched since the core 1 was released heh06:08
nomasteryodahowdy jbinder06:08
LinoleumWikzo NOOOO you ruined my day06:08
jbinderMeh... when is Feisty being released.06:08
Linoleumand all my hope06:08
jbinder26 hours ago it said "tomorrow"06:08
nomasteryodajbinder, see topic06:08
jbinder26 hours > a day06:08
Black_jbinder july 7, 200906:08
philipjbinder, I second that06:08
jbinderphilip: lol06:08
Black_@ 23:56 utc06:08
ANTDx1So fglrx.ko is not there06:08
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nomasteryodaBlack_, lol... but that is abuse of users.... =D06:09
megafaunajbinder: it isn't. Bambi's mother shot Feisty06:09
jbinderUTC.... when is that?06:09
jbinderMy time zone is -506:09
taggieANTDx1, if it's not there, but you've got the latest packages, you may need to download the modules in source and build 'em.06:09
jbinderso... at 5:00 AM?06:09
Black_nomasteryoda: nah its fine06:09
taggieANTDx1, check here: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Feisty_Installation_Guide06:09
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philipin most parts of the world it's April 19th already06:09
nomasteryodano, that's PTC ... pluto time06:09
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mxpxpodcrimsun: thanks for the help06:09
Black_pluto isnt a planet so no more ptc06:09
nomasteryodaits the 20th in australia06:09
jbinderIs Ubuntu going to change in the next 5 hours?06:10
philipactually I don't care for the feisty download. As soon as I install feisty I will want Feisty+106:10
Black_no it will still be called ubuntu06:10
jdI think they should wait and release ubuntu at exactly 7:04:00 GMT06:10
spikebone minute before midnight.06:10
jbinderI think they should release it at 7:00PM in my time zone06:10
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taggieANTDx1, also, run depmod -a and see if that helps06:10
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jbinderthat's when the first time zone turns the 19th06:10
Black_i want to seed this torrent just to cover up my other "questionable dls"06:11
megafaunaBlack_ lol06:11
taggieANTDx1, sorry, that's going to need to be root, so just sudo depmod -a06:11
jbinderleechers are losers06:11
jbinderwhat is the point in leeching06:11
RawSewageyou shouldnt download porn.  it's wrong06:11
nomasteryodaBlack_, put a peer guardian on your dls06:11
Black_who said its pron06:11
jbinderit goes SO MUCH quicker if you seed06:11
jdhahaha  pron06:11
jbinderI don't put a cap on my upload.06:11
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ANTDx1now when i say modprobe fglrx it gives me an error06:11
Black_nomasteryoda: i read a study that said that only covers 15%06:11
WikzoThe release from The Fridge is gone ... some hours ago it said "xx hours left", but not it isn't there06:12
ANTDx1FATAL: Error running install command for fglrx06:12
rarjWhen is the final candidate for Feisty releasing ?06:12
Black_nomasteryoda: i have access to chemicals so i will just obliterate my comp if i ever get questioned06:12
taggieANTDx1, I'd suggest running through that webpage i listed. those are the instructions i followed for my x1600 and they worked great.06:12
ANTDx1Alright I'll try it.  Thanks for your help06:13
Black_nomasteryoda: or your could just go buy everything and say you were making an archive copy06:13
nomasteryodaer, but tthe logs will still be on the isp06:13
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Black_nomasteryoda: i have an open wireless network.....06:13
taggieANTDx1, good luck, i'll be around for a while, check back if i can help more.06:13
Black_nomasteryoda: just play the dumb card06:13
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philipI think tonyyarusso is changing the topic06:13
ANTDx1alright thanks06:13
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philipdamnit...I thought he was gonna post the torrent06:14
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tonyyarussohehe, I'm not that special06:14
Black_i can post a 700 meg torrent of random stuffs06:14
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Dr_willisBlack_,  be sure to split it into 100 different rar parts also..06:15
Black_and password it06:16
Black_and some .nfo files and a couple .txt just for kicks06:16
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Dr_willisive started many a flame-war on torrent sites over such actions. :)06:17
Black_just mention the word apple and that starts a flame war06:17
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chowmeinedwhat did you say!?06:18
Black_10.4 pwnz feisty06:18
Black_eat apples linux punk06:18
chowmeinedapple is garbage06:18
Black_i prefer granny smith apples06:18
chowmeinedoh me too06:18
chowmeinedthose are delicious06:18
Dr_willischowmeined,  similer to "Lets all boycott these torrents that have idiotic passwords, and abuse of the .rar splitting" :) basicially.. then 1000+ people agree.06:18
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Black_no those are granny smiths06:18
Black_golden delicious suck06:19
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chowmeinedi dont like golden delicious06:19
Dr_willischowmeined,  and 'Friends dont let friends use .wmv' :)06:19
chowmeined.wmv makes me sad :(06:19
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Dr_willisGranny Smiths are good. They cook up better also.06:19
chowmeinedand wtf is with the rars anyways?06:19
Dr_willisGolden Del dont make good pies.06:19
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mellow_bunnyhmm nothing like a good apple stew06:19
chowmeined.r00 .r01 .r02... on and on06:19
Black_.iso.zip.rar.dmg.bin is the best way to go06:19
chowmeinedwhat nonsense.. whats the point?06:19
Dr_willischowmeined,  the rar thing is OK - IF they dont include 1000000+ zips in them heh06:19
chowmeinedits not like we are going to put it on floppy diskettes06:19
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Black_like 100 different programs to get to the 700 megs of random text files06:20
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chowmeinedand .nfo and .txt06:20
Dr_willisthe use of the .par stuff is a way to let the rars not get currupted.. but on torrents thats not  that big a issue06:20
chowmeinedwhats the point06:20
NemesisDhi guys do you think you could help me get my wireless working on my laptop, feisty seems to hate it06:20
Dr_willis.nfo -> lets use a extension the MS has allready taken! yes!06:20
chowmeinedif you want to have a great description06:20
chowmeineduse .pdf or open document formats06:20
NemesisDi installed the driver with ndiswrapper and now somehow there isn't even wireless in the network wizard thing06:21
chowmeinedand all music in vorbis and all video in theora06:21
Black_Dr_willis>.nfo -> lets use a extension the MS has allready taken! yes!  <<<< i always wondered that06:21
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chowmeinedthen the world shall be free06:21
Dr_willischowmeined,  for newsgroups and other methods that may currupt the data. Rar+par can eliminate that problem. but in short I guess its rar because rar has beter compression06:21
Dr_willisBlack_,  of course .nfo may of been in use years ago for all ive noticed06:21
chowmeinedbut torrents verify with checksums06:21
Dr_willisBlack_,  but in short.. ITS a TEXT file! heh heh.06:21
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Dr_willischowmeined,  right. thats why you dont see the .par stuff on  torrents06:21
chowmeinedbut still the rar..06:22
Dr_willischowmeined,  you see them a lot on newsgroups06:22
chowmeinedi dont use newsgroups06:22
chowmeinedim too young for that06:22
Black_chowmeined: so rip the lastest movie as a theora and upload it....is it copyright infringment if NO ONE can open the file??06:22
Dr_willisnewsgroups are still one of the best ways to get  Porn Images. :)06:22
Dr_willisheh heh06:22
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chowmeinedi never wanted to pay fees06:22
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chowmeinedand all the newsgroup servers are like.. you pay $30 a month06:22
Black_because 99.99% of public .torrent users are 12 y/o kids with XP hacked06:23
Dr_willispay fees? Hmm - ive never paid a fee to use newsgroups.06:23
chowmeinedoh well06:23
paradonchowmeined: readfreenews.net06:23
whoniccanewshosting unlimited 15 a month06:23
chowmeinedi like torrents06:23
Dr_willisive not tried my isp's newsgroups in a year or more however.06:23
chowmeinedi try to download all the distros i can with torrents06:23
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Black_anyone ever use pando06:24
chowmeinedif no torrent, then http.. i dont like ftp06:24
Dr_willisI find that torrent downloads for disrtos - seem way tooo slow.06:24
chowmeinedfirewall + nat + ftp.. never seems to work06:24
chowmeinedi have found the magical formula for making torrents go fast06:24
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Dr_willisthen ya get the lame disrtos that ONLY release in torrents06:24
chowmeinedI usually get 600KB/s on torrents for popular things06:24
Black_well some have restrictions if you dont upload enough06:25
CryoniqWill Feisty fawn be able to upgrade earlier versions, like my 6.10 smoothly?06:25
Black_prollly not at first06:25
spikebCryoniq, theoretically06:25
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Black_back at ya06:25
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CryoniqI more meant I love the answers :D06:26
Black_your 6.10 upgraded smoothly?06:26
chowmeinedi just installed 6.10 today06:26
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chowmeinedso i have to upgrade tomorrow already!?06:26
Black_wow mine nearly made my comp burst into flames06:26
DogBoyso you have practice installing06:26
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Black_6.10?  i thought 5.04 was just released?06:26
CryoniqIn a couple of hours more likely? =)06:26
chowmeinedi already know how to install linux...06:27
Black_when mark gets up and flips the master ubuntu switch in his house06:27
Black_thats when its released06:27
chowmeinedive done LFS and gentoo.. everything is cake now06:27
Cryoniqhopefully that is the only thing he release in the morning :)06:27
Black_the floodgates o' ubuntu will open, and get clogged with thousands of dls.....06:28
chowmeinedwait what time are they releasing it?06:28
chowmeinedmidnight EST?06:28
`sam`so if update manager isn't showing any updates right now, then what i have is probably feisty final?06:28
chowmeinedyay its already out06:28
Black_Cryoniq: umm......06:28
CryoniqWhat?!? :)06:28
Black_Cryoniq>hopefully that is the only thing he release in the morning :)06:28
mellow_bunnyMithrandir having fun today?06:28
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Black_how funny would it be if they released 7.04 today and 7.10 tomorrow06:29
Black_GOT YA!06:29
Black_mark hired more programmers, and they drank comcast power boost06:29
Black_slammed out a release over night06:30
chowmeinedso does ubuntu steal patches from red hat n stuff?06:30
chowmeinedto make stuff better?06:30
jbroomewangensh: pretty pictures06:30
spikebchowmeined, upstream does06:30
Black_ <<< si06:30
mellow_bunnyfrom red hat >.>?06:30
chowmeinedwangensh: I can06:30
spikebchowmeined, i dunno if ubuntu does directly.06:30
chowmeinedbut becareful06:30
chowmeinedusually they just yell at you and say.. go to #ubuntu-cn06:31
chowmeinedI dunno06:31
Black_ubuntu doesnt, i do, i have to go there tomorrow...my black clothes are in the dryer now06:31
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about chinese - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi06:31
ubotuFor Ubuntu help in Chinese  #ubuntu-cn  #ubuntu-tw   #ubuntu-hk06:31
sonoftheclayrever read the IRC guidelines? it does say english only06:31
chowmeinedwhats the problem?06:31
chowmeinedmakes everyone sound so xenophobic06:32
wangenshjust find chinese here!06:32
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wangenshwhat't the GMT time?06:32
chowmeinedwow i dont know chinese06:32
chowmeined /me didnt know either06:32
chowmeinedhey.. :-/06:33
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wangenshjust a joke06:33
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chowmeinedi can..06:33
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chowmeinedwhen are they moving to kernel 2.8?06:33
chowmeinedi want a fully audited stable kernel with decent features06:34
jbroomewhen it works?06:34
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chowmeinedwell they arent even working on one yet06:34
wangenshany news about kernel 2.8?06:34
chowmeinedits not like its a secret06:35
chowmeinedit would be available to the public as 2.7 development version06:35
chowmeinedbut currently they are using 2.6 to develop new stuff06:35
chowmeinedwhich is also supposed to be the mainstream stable kernel.. it changes so much though06:35
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kde185there won't be a 2.8 as far as anybody knows06:35
chowmeinedbut if you look at the changelogs for 2.4.. theres almost no bugs left06:36
kde185unless there is something so fundamental they have to change it breaks everything06:36
chowmeinedthey dont increase the version to impress people?06:36
kde185even then...Torvalds likes the new version scheme06:36
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chowmeinedcmon.. the WOW starts NOW!06:36
chowmeinedi think that should be the slogan for 2.806:37
richwWould be funny if it was06:37
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chowmeinedbut it should have some new name06:37
sonoftheclayrchowmeined: the WOW REALLY starts NOW! you mean?06:37
chowmeinedsonoftheclayr: good idea!06:37
ShaddoxHi everyone. Can someone help me fix the sound in my Enemy Territory?06:37
richwwhens kernel 10 out?06:37
chowmeinedno we need to drop this 'linux' name and move to something more trendy06:38
wangenshkernel xp!06:38
richwI think linux has a geeky reputation to it.. needs a new name06:38
jbindermake feisty come out already!06:38
chowmeinedhow about..06:38
jbinderWhy does it have to come out when I am sleeping?06:38
chowmeinedoh way we could do retro06:39
jbinderthen I miss the second it comes out and I wake up too late to start downloading because it's so slow.06:39
paradonShaddox: http://snipurl.com/1h4yt06:39
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Dr_willisjbinder,  thats why i installed the RC and just apt-get update/upgrade every night.06:39
jdrakeDo you guys happen to remember the kde program that presented disk usage of directories in a pie chart?06:40
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Dr_willisjdrake,  hmm i remer that..06:40
Shaddoxparadon: OMFG. You win. :D06:40
Dr_willistheres a few others that do a similer thing. One used box's that i found easier to read.06:40
Shaddoxparadon: I've been trying to fix sound for 3 days now! XD06:40
chowmeineddoes linux's software raid use device mapper?06:40
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jdrakekdrivespace doesn't seem to exist06:41
paradonShaddox: Took me a while before I thought of looking on wiki.ubuntu.com, too.06:41
Shaddoxparadon: Well, i did it but it still doesnt work. I did see that exact error though. X_x06:42
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paradonShaddox: You do have alsa-oss installed, right?06:43
Shaddoxparadon: Yeah, that was the first thing I tried, and it didn't work well.06:43
Shaddoxparadon: Still just a lot of staticy bursts.06:44
chowmeinedhow is open source flash player going?06:44
paradonhrm... you're getting static noise?  That sounds like a different problem, then, I think.06:44
Shaddoxparadon: Do I need to do 'aoss et' or just 'et'?06:45
chowmeinedyou arent doing: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp.. in a console somewhere are you?06:45
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paradonShaddox: Those two echo commands should make et use alsa-oss... but I guess there's no harm in trying aoss.06:51
Epic720So, does anyone in here care about feisty? Because "nope, we don't care about Feisty here, try #ubuntu+1 "06:51
ShaddoxErgh...screw it, I give up. >.<06:51
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paradonShaddox: You could try running et as root... that _shouldn't_ matter but I've had some et wierdness that running as root has fixed.06:51
Shaddoxwith a 'sudo'?06:51
chowmeinedEpic720: feisty is going to be awesome!!!06:51
wangensh3d desktop can run on ibm thinkpad t43?06:51
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chowmeinedEpic720: and tomorrow everyone in #ubuntu will magically change into feisty lovers because it will be final and released06:51
Epic720Know a mirror I can DL it from?06:51
protocol1for those of us that are using beta....is there anything special we need to do to upgrade?06:51
paradonShaddox: No idea, then :-(  You could try searching ubuntuforums.com... a lot of info on there.06:51
Dr_williswangensh,  you refering to the package 3ddesktop?06:51
Dr_willis!info 3ddesktop06:51
protocol1or just update06:51
ubotu3ddesktop: "Three-dimensional" desktop switcher. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.9-6 (feisty), package size 73 kB, installed size 432 kB06:51
chowmeinedEpic720: it hasnt been released as final yet06:51
Epic720I heard it was already released... and the people in#ubuntu pretty much told me to F off about feisty.......06:51
tonyyarussoSee the /topic06:51
ShaddoxHaha, well screw them06:51
ShaddoxWe were here first06:51
ShaddoxWe're special :D06:51
wangensh!info 3ddesktop06:51
ubotu3ddesktop: "Three-dimensional" desktop switcher. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.9-6 (feisty), package size 73 kB, installed size 432 kB06:51
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Dr_williswangensh,  that 3ddesktop is not worth messign with. :) its old.. and never worked very well..06:51
Dr_willisand its a pain.06:51
Dr_williseveryone askes about it because they always see it at the top of the package lists.06:51
Epic720when exactly will the final be released? Time? I want it. I WANT IT NOW!06:51
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tonyyarussoEpic720: #ubuntu-release-party06:51
Shaddoxjoin #ubuntu-release-party06:51
tonyyarussoThis channel should remain discussion of issues with it.06:51
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Shaddoxthat sounds like fun im in :D06:51
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Dr_willisim allready using the rc. so  im in no hury :)06:51
Shaddoxim on 20070414 daily build. ^^06:51
wangenshbut 3ddesktop is beautful06:51
pwuertzquestion... you got a bunch of images... whats the best way to make a video using these still images... maybe adding a nice blending effect because the framerate would be too low...06:51
wangenshmy thinkpad t43 use ati chipset06:52
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Dr_williswangensh,  its a  desktop switcher tool that dosent update like it should.. and is a pain to configure. and beryl has better features in that area :)06:52
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wangenshberyl can run on my t43 ati chipset?06:53
Dr_willisNo idea.06:53
pwuertzwhats the chipset?06:53
Dr_willisi dont have laptop specs memorized :)06:53
Dr_willisati makes a lot of chipsets06:53
pwuertzwhen its below r300, you should be able to use it right away06:53
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wangenshATI mobility radeon x30006:54
pwuertzwangensh: you are using the ati drivers, or the one that came with xorg?06:54
wangenshi use xp now,want to use ubuntu 7.0406:55
bofh80after the last few updates, i can hear my harddrive doing something, but i can't see what, and the hdd light on the front don't flicker ..... a bit strange really . . .. ?? anyone notice anything similar?06:55
taggiewangensh, i'm running a t60p with ati x1600, i'm using compiz without trouble. getting it setup was not easy, but my wife's z60 with ati x300 worked right out of the box.06:56
ShaddoxI'm on ATI Mobility radeon x20006:56
ShaddoxWhich is a piece of crap06:56
Dr_willismy x200 did not handle beryl very well.06:56
Dr_willisbut normal X was ok :)06:56
bofh80oh and when it in, things go a bit odd, till it calms down a bit06:56
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pwuertzwikipedia says, X300 -> chipset M22 -> based on R42006:57
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pwuertzi think i read that R300 is the last one with opensource dri06:58
pwuertzso running beryl/compiz on a x300 should not work, unless you installed the ati drivers and xgl06:59
EndlerLast time I tried the open source R300 driver, it really sucked bad.07:00
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pwuertzyea.. on linux... you really should go for nvidia or intel07:00
spikebintel should make cards damn it07:01
EndlerI got so fed up with ATI, ponied up for an Nvidia card.07:01
paradonThe open source ATi driver atm isn't too bad... ET is mostly playable... WoW in Wine isn't.07:01
spikeband ATI sucks no matter what OS you use, as far as their own drivers go07:01
EndlerTry using googleearth with the R300 driver.07:01
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pwuertzuhm, could someone have a look at the question I asked earlier please :)07:02
pwuertznobody knows how to animate still pictures?07:02
Dhraakellianso, when*reads topic* nm07:03
bofh80is there some sort of program to check my xorg.conf to make sure it's configured correctly for nvidia-glx ?07:03
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pwuertzlook for "nvidia" instead of "nv"07:03
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pwuertzDriver section07:03
paradonhrm... yes, google earth is a bit sluggish :-(07:04
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pwuertzgoogle earth runs nicely with nvidia/intel07:04
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boykoSo what's new in Feisty?  Plan to get it tomorrow and do a clean install.07:07
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Mithrandirboyko: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/7.04Tour has a list of some stuff.07:07
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Centaur5I've been using Feisty for a couple months and my boot splash hasn't changed so how can I update that?07:09
boykoAny torrents of the ISO yet or am I too early?  There's some reports that you can download it.07:09
pwuertzyou could load a daily07:09
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desyncthat's what i'm doing07:12
desynckubuntu live dvd released on the 18th, can't see there being any changes07:13
desyncbeen averageing 600kps since everyone's waiting for the final :)07:13
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MLimburghey .. can anyone help with a gnome issue .. i want to alter the default size of the "save" dialog so i can actually see the "Places" i have setup07:14
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MLimburggoogled for an hour .. no joy .. #gnome are silent .. #ubuntu has over 1000 people and nobody seems to know there .. driving me batty07:15
MLimburgyes i'm using feisty07:15
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pwuertzoh right... i second that question...07:16
r00tintheb0xok i love Deluge torrent client.07:16
r00tintheb0xwhat question07:16
pwuertzthe default SaveDialog size is too small here07:16
MLimburgi'd be happy in just doubling the height of it07:16
pwuertzi can resize it, but next time the dialog opens, its small again07:16
r00tintheb0xsave dialog of what?07:16
r00tintheb0xlike when you log out?>07:17
r00tintheb0xor what.07:17
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MLimburgone example .. firefox .. save image as ..07:17
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r00tintheb0xthat one.07:17
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r00tintheb0xon any app?07:17
pwuertzrooneyyy: any app07:17
pwuertzlike gedit07:17
MLimburgit calls the standard gnome save dialog07:18
r00tintheb0xso if you're in gedit, and you go...07:18
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MLimburgFile | Save as ..07:18
r00tintheb0xthen the box that pops up is too small?07:18
MLimburgyou get two and half lines (in my case)07:18
r00tintheb0xi see.07:18
magicfabperhaps it's in gconf-editor ?07:19
r00tintheb0xUsing the default GTK Theme?07:19
MLimburgmagicfab, not that i've seen07:19
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r00tintheb0xWeird, and its only the save dialog?07:19
magicfabgotta go07:19
r00tintheb0xlater magicfab07:19
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MLimburgopen file is fine07:19
pwuertzthe open dialog is just fine07:19
r00tintheb0xok i see the screen shot07:20
r00tintheb0xi dont see what you mean by you saying its too small though07:20
r00tintheb0xare you talking about the window border?07:20
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MLimburgsee how there's two lines in places07:20
MLimburgtwo and a touch in files07:20
pwuertzyou can only see 2 items in the list07:21
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r00tintheb0xIts your screen resolution.07:21
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pwuertznormally, the size of file dialogs should be large enough to show you a decent number of files... like 1007:21
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MLimburgi'm in 1440x90007:21
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pwuertzas we said... the open dialog is just fine07:22
r00tintheb0xpaste me your xorg.conf07:22
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T0uCH(01:04:40)  T0uCH:  if i wanna format c drive in windows and linux files (ubuntu and kubuntu).. i just wanna keep "hda5" in linux whicj is "d:" in windows and replace my currents version of windows AND Ubuntu/kubuntu .. what you suggest me to do???? I am really newbie the simple is the right thing.. please help me... Thanks...i want feisty only07:22
r00tintheb0xpwuertz, have you heard of anyone else having this problem?07:22
r00tintheb0xanything in logs?07:22
r00tintheb0xdo you know what logs to check?07:22
r00tintheb0xok PWill07:23
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MLimburgpastebin is dying again07:23
pwuertzno, I dont know there is a logfile for gnome file dialog open actions ^^07:23
r00tintheb0xcan you expand the window by dragging the corner pwuertz ?07:23
r00tintheb0xi just made mine look like yours by making the window smaller07:23
MLimburgyeah can resize the dialog .. but it doesnt remember the size07:23
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r00tintheb0xTHAT i can work with.07:24
jason0_So when I do a update-manager and install new dist it doesn't say anything about a development snapshot, am I upgrading to the final version?07:24
r00tintheb0xjason0_, i dont know07:25
pwuertzmaybe we should try #gnome ^^07:25
r00tintheb0xpwuertz, you've got me on that one... i tried resizing it then closing it and opening it back up07:25
r00tintheb0xsame size07:25
r00tintheb0xthen i tried opening a file then closing it, then opening it back up07:25
r00tintheb0xsame size.07:25
r00tintheb0xyou can try dpkg-reconfigure maybe,.07:25
r00tintheb0xor try in gnome.07:25
MLimburgtried gnome07:26
pwuertzMLimburg: when?07:26
r00tintheb0xwho's original issue is it?07:26
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r00tintheb0xMLimburg, or pwuertz ?07:26
MLimburgan hour ago .. an hour before that .. an hour again before that07:26
pwuertzwe dont know each other07:26
MLimburgplace is dead07:26
r00tintheb0xboth of you have the same problem?07:26
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pwuertzIve been living with this bug for weeks07:26
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pwuertznever paid much attention to it07:27
MLimburgits been bugging the hell out of me for days now :P07:27
pwuertzdidnt expected anybody else having this kind of problem ^^07:27
r00tintheb0xpwuertz, i havent totally read this but: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=246180307:27
MLimburghad enough, so i started looking for a solution07:27
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r00tintheb0xi understand that guys :)07:27
r00tintheb0xim sure there's an answer07:27
MLimburgkk thanks for the link07:28
MLimburgwill see what i can hack as a temp fix07:28
r00tintheb0xthats something that can be reset or something07:29
r00tintheb0xim sure it can be repaired :)07:29
r00tintheb0xtry googling that google link too07:29
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pwuertzproof: kde got better file dialogs ^^07:30
ubotuGnome bug 421813 in GtkFileChooser "GtkFilechooser size unusable" [Minor,Unconfirmed] 07:30
r00tintheb0xand there we go07:31
MLimburgif it wasnt for the fact that i dislike KDE ....07:31
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r00tintheb0xi know, i do oto07:31
r00tintheb0xMLimburg, feisty i presume?07:31
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MLimburggot an Intel 965 motherboard .. no choice but to use fiesty ;)07:31
pwuertzwell... we could try to kill off our gnome configuration07:32
pwuertzdont know if deleting .gconf is sufficient07:32
pwuertzor add another user and see if the dialog is ok07:32
pwuertzthen the bug is definately somewhere in the gnome registry07:32
MLimburglatter probably got more chance07:32
r00tintheb0xi think adding a new user would be a better test method07:33
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Linoleumis it out now?07:33
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pwuertz"switch user" will keep myself logged in right?07:33
MLimburgLinoleum, Please wait/ask/anticipate in #ubuntu-release-party07:34
MLimburgshould do07:34
r00tintheb0xMLimburg, Compiz/Beryl?07:34
MLimburgr00tintheb0x, yeah07:34
LinoleumMLimburg, tkx mate07:34
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r00tintheb0xMLimburg, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=247095707:35
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r00tintheb0xnevermind MLimburg irrelevant07:36
MLimburgi just thread the thread twice going .. what the hell is he going on about ..07:36
MLimburgthinking i missed something hehe07:36
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r00tintheb0xMLimburg, what if you use metacity instead of beryl?07:38
r00tintheb0xsame problem?07:38
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pwuertzberyl does not survive switching screens07:38
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pwuertzok.... new user... "same" bug07:39
r00tintheb0xpwuertz, are you using beryl also?07:39
pwuertzwhen you open your first dialog... you wont see any files, they are hidden07:39
jncerr, maybe my question is more appropriate here.  'libsmbios-bin' does not actually install things to /usr/sbin, even though they are in the package07:39
r00tintheb0xpwuertz, when beryl is disabled is it still too small?07:39
r00tintheb0xdoesn't retain its size?07:39
pwuertzyou hit "expand"... then you see a normal save dialog07:39
pwuertzif you close and open a expanded dialog... its small07:40
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MLimburgits beryl07:40
pwuertzoh my07:40
MLimburgjust flicked to metacity07:40
pwuertzI see07:41
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pwuertzshit ^^07:41
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pwuertzseems to work with beryl07:41
pwuertzI mean compiz07:41
jncthe 'smibios-bin' thing that has a manual page is not an actual command, nor does it list any helpful info, and is in fact listed as the manual page for "WX-CONSOLE(1)" whatever that is07:42
MLimburgi just tried compiz .. same as beryl ..07:42
r00tintheb0xis there a more recent beryl than what you're using?07:42
jncsomeone did a crappy job at packaging smibios-bin :/07:42
MLimburgsorry jnc .. dont know ..07:42
r00tintheb0xjnc, rewrite it! :D07:42
jncit's all so confusing, and different from debian though07:42
MLimburgi'm using stock ubuntu beryl/compiz/etc07:42
pwuertzrooneyyy: dont think so... I'm using the beryl repository07:42
jncwhy fix stuff that ain't broke07:42
jncI don't get it07:42
pwuertzubuntu doesnt have beryl in repository07:43
pwuertzor did they add it?07:43
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jncon a whole Ubuntu feisty is shaping up to be very pleasant07:43
alka_trashHey we should all digg that Michael Dell uses Ubuntu! http://digg.com/linux_unix/Michael_Dell_uses_Ubuntu07:43
jncmy 80+ some years old grandfather loves it07:43
jncthat's saying a lot, he has been using microsoft crap for 20 years07:44
alka_trashsorry for the spam, I just couldn't help it07:44
hyljedoes this channel become the G version channel when feisty goes live? :>07:44
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pwuertzwith compiz, the new save dialog size has been saved once07:44
jncalka_trash: I found it to be significant that it is his home pc's OS of choice, you know, he doesn't list any microsoft product as being used on the home pc07:44
jncno where does it impact his business operations07:45
pwuertzthen I close the dialog... open the dialog.... like 5 times... and suddenly... Its small again ^^07:45
MLimburghylje, yes07:45
hyljewhat's on the roadmap for g07:45
pwuertzhopefully xrandr 1.2 !07:45
r00tintheb0xpwuertz, no but there are maintained repositories for beryl.07:45
alka_trashpwuertz: I agree, I hope this get hardware manufactures into gear ( Hello ATI )07:46
jncATI has been lagging even for windows users07:46
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pwuertzalka_trash: I gave up on ati along time ago... if you want nice opensource drivers... go for intel... if you need power... its nvidia07:46
jncwhoops mischat07:46
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r00tintheb0xyeah my desktop is intel07:47
ANTDx1Does anyone know how to change the mouse bindings in beryl?  I can't get scale to work like it used to07:47
jncpwuertz: agreed.  there is also the option of the open soruce graphics initiative, which has a prototype and commitment to order (if you're really into that kind of thing) so it's no longer vaporware07:47
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r00tintheb0xand my lappy ATI (older ATI)07:47
spikebooh they DO?07:47
purpleposeidonyes, nx does, in fact rock socks.07:47
pwuertzthat nuvea reverse enginered nvidia driver?07:47
spikebjnc, but is there a driver in X yet?> heh07:48
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pwuertzthey are already rendering triangles ^^07:49
jncspikeb: oh that I'm not sure about, their prototypes are focused around developing the board-level logic last I read07:49
robotI'm using Feisty and compiz is enabled. I have a problem with FireFox: when scrolling down and then logging UP the page doesn't refresh properly. Touching the title bar causes a proper redraw. Ideas?07:49
spikebonce they have something out that has a driver, i'll be interested heh07:49
jncrobot: gecko-related, that's all I could guess about07:49
robothmm. disabling compiz makes problem go away07:50
spikebrobot, then it's a compiz bug, or a firefox hates compiz bug07:50
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jncfirefox dev or Xgl dev could spill more info on a technical nature after you've found the bug, until then I might try asking a dev from the windowmanager you're using07:51
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jcole /j #ubuntu-release-party07:51
robot'k, thx07:51
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jncspikeb: For very rudimentary GL with open source drivers, I've been pleased with intel hardware and also early ATI hardware (radeon 8500, radeon 9100)07:52
jncmy radeon 9700xt even does basic GL but it has a lot of triangle fill bugs07:52
spikebjnc, i've had good experiences with intel stuff and also the radeon 920007:52
jncmad respect to the r300 team07:52
jncspikeb: :)   funny thing about the radeon 9200, it's a repackaged 900007:53
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spikebjnc, hah, im not surprised07:53
jncthe 8500 is repackaged as the 910007:53
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Mithrandirjnc: sure?  My 9200 has worse performance than my 850007:54
GeekChick|Hey everyone. Is anyone else having trouble with the networkmanager applet in feisty fawn? I have the intel proset 3945 abg. It works if i turn it to manual mode, but whenever I try to do it with the fancy new dropdown menu where it shows available networks, it will not accept the network password, no matter what options i select.07:54
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jncGeekChick|: networkmanager is sort of error prone, it's not even 1 year in development07:55
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MLimburgwell, that didnt work >.>07:55
jncGeekChick|: sorry.  it's great when it does work, heh07:55
r00tintheb0xGeekChick|, good explanation, but i have no clue...07:55
BHSPitMonkeywould upgrading via apt be a troublesome approach07:55
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GeekChick|jnc, yah, but does that mean feisty fawn now has an utterly useless feature for one of the most common network chips in laptops?07:55
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jncGeekChick|: probably.  though there is no shortage of geek folk who will spend a great deal of time and effort to genuinely try to help ya out and work around it07:56
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spikebjust wish intel made actual cards, not just chipsets heh07:56
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jcoleGeekChick|: is partly evil07:56
GeekChick|jnc, haha, it will involve me disconnecting A LOT.07:56
jcoleGeekChick|: network-manager07:57
GeekChick|i dont have another connection to interwebs right now07:57
jncGeekChick|: that is sadly funny07:57
jcoleGeekChick|: network-manager is tempermental at times07:57
GeekChick|jnc, oh joy. im glad you enjoy my misery.07:57
DPicApparently, in the first two weeks, Microsoft has only been able to sell 244 genuine copies of their Windows Vista OS in all of China. http://slashdot.org/articles/07/04/18/1512216.shtml07:57
jncI remember a day, maybe 10 years ago, when I did the similar thing trying to make ppp-chap scripts work to connect using a *modem* to my ISP07:57
jnc"hold on, I have to disconnect to try this" -=click=-07:58
GeekChick|So, has anyone gotten it to accept WEP and/or WPA passwords when you use the fancy dropdown menu where it shows available networks and signal strengths. I select the network, it brings up its popup window asking for the password and the type. i enter the password, its 100% correct, i know this to be a fact, and no matter what type i select, it just disapears and never connects.07:58
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GeekChick|manual mode works perfectly -- using it now07:58
r00tintheb0xi need to get a better computer so i can install feisty07:59
bofh80GeekChick|, i don't like it, but i seen it working with WPA-PSK yes. i prefer wpa_gui07:59
jncGeekChick|: my first inkling and/or suspicion is "do you have gnome keyring set up properly?"  though I have no idea how you would check if it is or not07:59
GeekChick|r00tintheb0x, i'll bitch about beryl +ati mobility radeon later ;)07:59
GeekChick|jnc, never even used the damn thing :)08:00
r00tintheb0xhehe GeekChick|08:00
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sharpif anybody is waiting for the new release and wants to get to bed: http://sharph.net/download_ubuntu_livecd.sh.txt http://sharph.net/download_ubuntu_alternate.sh.txt08:00
alka_trashanyone running 64bit? is it worth it?08:00
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`ph8hey guys! i've recently updated to the latest feisty (been using feisty for quite some time, so this was just a routine dist-upgrade) and suddenly ever dialog doesn't have a titlebar anymore! sounds weird i know.. so i can resize windows but not move them or close them with the X (because there's no titlebar)08:00
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r00tintheb0xi dont understand the peoples thinking geeking about Feisty.08:01
jncGeekChick|: at least for my grandfather's computer, I had to make sure that something calling itself the gnome keyring manager, it would be authenticated (typing in a password to give access to applications which wished to store/retrieve passwords)08:01
r00tintheb0xalka_trash, sun64 yes.08:01
r00tintheb0xintel no08:01
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alka_trashr00tintheb0x: how about AMD?08:01
r00tintheb0xalka_trash, i was joking08:01
GeekChick|jnc, where's the keyring at? and what does the root password have to do with the network manager? it never asks for it in manual mode, why should it care in this new fancy mode?08:01
r00tintheb0xnormally, a 64 bit is always better than a 32 bit.08:02
alka_trashdamn I must be getting tired08:02
`ph8any ideas anyone?08:02
jncGeekChick|: that "root password" may in fact be the keyring manager?  just a guess...  looking now for where this is at08:02
`ph8makes the whole desktop system unuseable08:02
Mithrandirr00tintheb0x: no, actually not.  It's usually slower, except for amd64 which is usually faster because of a higher number of registers over i386.08:02
jncannnd... my wireless mouse died.   thank god for ctrl+shift+keypadnumlock08:02
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r00tintheb0xonce again, normally, a 64 bit is always better than a 32 bit.08:02
r00tintheb0xnormally i say NORMALLY!08:03
GeekChick|jnc, i found it. System -> Administration -> Keyring Manager08:03
MLimburgi'm staying 32bit for a while longer08:03
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Mithrandirr00tintheb0x: yes, and that's incorrect. :-P  It's only true for amd64, not for sparc or hppa for instance.08:03
jncr00tintheb0x: yes, amd64 ftw.  No more flash advertisements.08:03
jncoh wait, gnash.  damn08:04
jncnow I ONLY get flash advertisements08:04
MLimburgsee, i enjoy youtube and flash games etc08:04
MLimburgadblock for the win08:04
spikebswfdec can do youtube08:04
MLimburgso i get what i want08:04
MLimburgplus .. gaming is not a happy place in 64bit land08:04
r00tintheb0xaah Mithrandir i stand corrected.08:05
GeekChick|jnc, it also seems the fancy menu as i call it only works in "Roaming Mode."08:05
r00tintheb0xi reckon08:05
r00tintheb0xwhat is better i guess, is the true question.08:05
MLimburgevery time i've gone 64bit, i've been bitten in the arse .. and usually atleast once a day08:05
r00tintheb0xor "better" i should say08:05
GeekChick|and unsurprisingly, it lacks documentation, entirely. ;)08:05
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MLimburgi do want to go 64 .. last cpu was a nice AMD, and currently on Intel Duo ..08:05
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`ph8can anyone see this? just checking08:06
jncGeekChick|: This keyring manager looks like what I messed with before to get wifi working08:06
r00tintheb0xi have a p3 1ghz08:06
r00tintheb0xwith 256mb of ram08:06
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`ph8i've just ordered a quad core extreme w/4gb ram and 768mb xtx8800 nvidia08:06
GeekChick|jnc, but wifi works, just not with the fancy dropdown. i have to go into Administration -> Networking and do it manually.08:07
`ph8and a 24" screen08:07
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r00tintheb0xand its swappin like gypsies in a forest08:07
`ph8it's gonna be glorious08:07
GeekChick|whats the keyring manager fix? how? and do i have to make a new key?08:07
MLimburgnice spec `ph808:07
MLimburgthats my next jump08:07
MLimburgnext year08:07
`ph8ty :-)08:07
`ph8this machine should last me four years + i reckon08:07
`ph8it's my first proper foray into desktoping08:08
jncGeekChick|: i'm going to have to ask google for that one, I have no laptop to play with now08:08
`ph8has anyone got any inkling about why i have no titlebars?08:08
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r00tintheb0xmy desktop is a p4 3.2ghz08:08
`ph8i'm going to have to use windows all day if i can't figure it out08:08
r00tintheb0xit WAS fast in its time.08:08
`ph8and windows is for the gays08:08
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r00tintheb0xyou're right.08:08
`ph8i remember having a pentium 200Mhz with MMX08:08
r00tintheb0xph8, whats the issue you're trying to figure out?08:08
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GeekChick|jnc, well ill be back in 5 minutes. im going to fiddle with the dropdown a bit more. :(08:09
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`ph8none of my windows have titlebars after my last dist-upgrade08:09
`ph8so i can't move them08:09
`ph8but i can resize them with the bottom right corner08:09
r00tintheb0xph8, sounds like an incomplete upgrade...08:09
`ph8i've changed my active xorg.conf to an old one that i know works08:09
r00tintheb0xare you sure everything was done?08:09
`ph8hmm i've tried another dist-upgrade (no available packages) - shouldn't it warn me?08:09
jncI wish a geeky chick would fiddle with my dropdown ... nevermind08:09
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letronjehey when is fiesty getting released ?08:10
`ph8letronje: see topic08:10
jncfrustrated with the lack of cohesion in pro audio apps tonight08:10
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r00tintheb0xaaand... xchat in edgy crashes.08:11
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jnceverything is like, ./configure && make && make install || scons && scons install || unzip $1 && cd ${1/.zip/} && cd unix && ../make && cp -a IncapableOfProjectManagement/usr/bin/* /usr/bin -i08:12
r00tintheb0xanyone ever get apollon and all (productive) plugins working efficiently?08:12
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r00tintheb0xjnc, solaris?08:12
Pitelso, where is 7.04 will exactly be released?08:12
jncr00tintheb0x: feisty.08:12
MLimburgPitel, Please wait/ask/anticipate in #ubuntu-release-party08:13
jncr00tintheb0x: pro audio stuff like softsynth plugins, DAW, etc.08:13
r00tintheb0xi just read what you typed08:13
RAOFjnc: You've checked out the ubuntustudio-audio pacakge, I presume :)08:13
jncRAOF: I don't need a god damn candy raver theme to make me more productive08:13
jncsorry.  that's an emotionally charged rant08:13
r00tintheb0xcandy raver08:13
RAOFI wasn't talking about the theme.  Just the metapackage :)08:14
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jncRAOF: :)  I may try it08:14
`ph8ah it works in failsafe08:14
`ph8i'll see if the next update fixes it i guess08:14
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jncwammmm waaaaahhmmmmmm bad-um08:14
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r00tintheb0xhttp://www.tourettesguy.com/ rocks!08:14
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jncRAOF: what I would like from a "metapackage" distro on top of feisty is some like, voicemanagement for soft synths, detection of hardware synths, a studio planner that it takes and automatically builds templates for you08:15
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r00tintheb0xwork time.08:16
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jncyou know real useable features.  packages that I can't get or easily compile in feisty (like wired),  ports of older plugins to l2.   it's nice that people work so hard on themecandy but it doesn't help me to sit down with a 61-key midi controller and jam08:17
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GeekChick|jnc, no go. Still being stupid.08:18
jncGeekChick|: kill it with fire08:18
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jncI get mad at my computers sometimes, don't you?08:19
GeekChick|I am still not sure what to do with keyring manager. so i tried making the name of the key my ESSID, and the key, the key for network. but that didnt work08:19
r00tintheb0xjnc, the build-essentials package doesn't suffice?08:20
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r00tintheb0xGeekChick|, i rarely use wireless, sorry...08:20
r00tintheb0xcheck the forums is all i can recommend.08:20
jncGeekChick|: as I recall it was either session or application based, so like you'd have a keyring named "default" and that has its own password to unlock, when you connect to a new network the network manager asks you for your password to the keyring, then sets a key/value pair inside that keyring08:20
r00tintheb0xlol RAOF08:20
r00tintheb0xswords eh?08:20
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r00tintheb0xwho loves Sanjaya?08:21
RAOFGenerally one slashes with a sword.  Much more elegant.08:21
jncr00tintheb0x: a lot of nice audio-related code targets redhat 7.3 for reasons unknown to man08:21
r00tintheb0xtrue... but the brutality of a stab...08:21
GeekChick|then the problem is that the key i enter into the network manager isnt being stored in the keyring manager?08:21
r00tintheb0xjesus god08:21
r00tintheb0xjnc, use oldschool slackware08:22
r00tintheb0xthat'd be hot like sayce.08:22
jncGeekChick|: that sounds like a good hypothesis, I like it08:22
jncnow, how to convince networkmanager to play nice?  hmmm08:22
GeekChick|jnc, but manual mode works and enters nothing into keyring manager08:22
jncGeekChick|: manual mode remembers the WPA key or no?08:22
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GeekChick|jnc, yah, every boot up its auto connected08:23
r00tintheb0xGeekChick|, http://ubuntuforums.org/search.php?searchid=1821434308:23
jncwhy does only Apple get this stuff right08:25
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GeekChick|jnc, windows xp does it perfectly.08:25
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GeekChick|out of the box08:25
jcoleGeekChick|: apt-get install wifi-manager08:26
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jcoleGeekChick|: apt-get remove network-manager08:26
GeekChick|jcole, tab complete sucks. takes me to wifi-radar08:26
jncheh.   lucky for you, I had to use a windows xp install on a laptop this last week (openvpn configuration testing), it was a battle of wsz fighting for domminance over the DLink Wireless Manager08:26
jcoleGeekChick|: exactly08:26
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jcoleGeekChick|: wifi-radar08:26
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r00tintheb0xaptitude search wifi08:27
mtholdenssanyone know what is delaying 7.04?08:27
jncthis should work using network-manager, y'all08:27
GeekChick|jcole, so is it wifi-radar or wifi-manager?08:27
jcoleGeekChick|: wifi-radar is what i use, just don't bork the config file08:27
r00tintheb0xmtholdenss, D's is08:27
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mtholdensswhats D's?08:28
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GeekChick|ummm what is wifiradar evil for?08:28
jncit's like oldschool program for listing available networks08:28
jncnot integrated at all08:28
GeekChick|jnc, but if it works . . .08:29
jcolejnc: wifi-radar is a little evil but works more of the time than network-manager does08:29
jcolenetwork-manager tries to use dbus08:29
jncGeekChick|: I might first suggest checking out the info @ http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=412378&highlight=Keyring+Manager08:29
mtholdenssr00tintheb0x: whats D's?08:30
jncthere's info about how to possibly reset that gnome keyring -  which is useful to know and try in conjunction with network-manager issues08:30
jcolenetwork-manager doesn't seem to work well with ndiswrapper either...08:30
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jncjcole: is that chipset GeekChick| uses operating under ndiswrapper?08:31
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GeekChick|jnc, absolutely not.08:31
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GeekChick|Intel ProSET 3945 ABG08:31
jcoleGeekChick|: lspci | grep -i net08:31
nizohi all08:32
GeekChick|0b:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02)08:32
GeekChick|as i said, 394508:32
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jcole$ lspci | grep -i net08:32
jcole02:04.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless LAN 2100 3B Mini PCI Adapter (rev 04)08:32
jcole02:0e.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5705M_2 Gigabit Ethernet (rev 03)08:32
nizoi want to know what variable should i use in mysql to make linux read the table names in small letters ?08:33
jncnizo: uh.08:33
nizowhat is it jnc08:33
jcolenizo: you mean non case sensitive?08:33
jncLOWERCASE() or something?08:34
nizowhere to put that ?08:34
jcoleGeekChick|: you may need to reboot to unhook network-manager from dbus08:34
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GeekChick|jcole, dbus?08:35
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jcoleGeekChick|: /etc/init.d/dbus restart08:35
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nizoso any ideas ?08:36
jncGeekChick|: so, there's an inter-process signaling system called "D-Bus" which interacts with HAL (hardware manager basicly), and so network-manager is written to send signals to D-Bus which then interacts with HAL for triggering settings on your wifi hardware08:36
GeekChick|jcole, yes but it does whast?08:36
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GeekChick|jnc, jcole is it possible its stuck in a config file somewhere with a bad password?08:37
GeekChick|where does network manager store the configuration08:37
jncGeekChick|: if you want wifi-radar, it goes old school and doesn't try to use D-Bus.   So, you'd have to disable network-manager to use wifi-radar08:37
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jncGeekChick|: network-manager should store its configuration in two places, the passwords *should* be in the gnome-keyring (you found the manager for that one already), and the config settings I think are in the "gconf" database (use gconf-editor to edit)08:38
jncGeekChick|: I don't think network-manager has plain file configuration, not that I know of.08:38
RAOFjnc: Broadly true, but I don't think N-M actually interacts with HAL at all?  And it shouldn't mess with anything configured in any other way.08:39
GeekChick|jnc, yah but its not where it should be according to the thread you linked to. According to the topic you sent it should be "the Configuration Editor and then to /system/networking/wireless/networks. Select the network with the mistaken key, right click the entries, and unset the key."08:39
jncIIRC there's some back-end work so that a running wpa-supplicant instance interacts with HAL and/or D-Bus08:39
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jncGeekChick|: I wonder where it is then08:40
GeekChick|the setting simply isnt there :(08:40
jcoleGeekChick|: dbus is a data bus implementation to try to control and monitor stuff like network08:40
GeekChick|i did edit, find, for "network"08:40
GeekChick|and it only comes up with gnome-games08:40
jncGeekChick|: good call08:40
jncis '/system/networking/wireless' there?08:40
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GeekChick|jnc, the only mention of wireless is "/apps/panel/default_setup/applets/wireless"08:41
GeekChick|and there's no list of networks08:41
jncGeekChick|: might I ask when approximately the last time you did an update of packages was?08:42
jncjust to be sure we're on the same page here08:42
GeekChick|jnc, earlier today -- about 5 hours ago08:42
GeekChick|i installed feisty fawn08:42
jncokay sweet08:42
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jcoleGeekChick|: what is the problem exactly08:42
jnci'm rollin' with network-manager 0.6.4-6ubuntu7 here08:42
GeekChick|oy... jnc is it in your chat buffer? ive quit the channel multiple times.08:43
GeekChick|i dont want to type my question again lol.08:43
jncGeekChick|: sure :)08:43
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jncjcole: http://rafb.net/p/iE9Rrs40.html08:45
r00tintheb0x_im stuck08:45
GeekChick|jnc, thank you.08:45
jncI <3 screen.08:45
jncback to poking network-manager08:45
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GeekChick|When I use "manual mode" by going to System -> Networks and physically enter the SSID and key, it works, and im connected with that now, but this new "network-manager" refuses to accept my key.08:47
GeekChick|im wondering if its stuck with an old key somewhere08:47
GeekChick|which is why i asked where it stores its settings08:47
jncGeekChick|: is this WEP or WPA ?08:47
GeekChick|jnc, both. ive got two wireless routers, one on each.08:48
jncah okay08:48
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jcoleGeekChick|: want a sure and quick way to get it to work?08:49
jncwell see there's support for WEP configuration inbuilt to the very basic 'iwconfig' network device tools, which competes with the wpa-supplicant daemon that is needed for WPA authentication.  We can check to see if say there's more than 1 copy of wpa-supplicant running08:49
nogethey everyvody. Can anybody tell me if there exists a terminal program to control music?08:49
GeekChick|jcole, yes08:49
jncnoget: there's a few means to do that08:50
jcoleGeekChick|: sudo edit /etc/network/interfaces08:50
nogetjnc: and these are? :)08:50
jncnoget: do you want to control a gui app, or have a daemon running which plays music08:51
jcoleGeekChick|: and put something like this in it --> http://pastebin.ca/44766708:51
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jcoleGeekChick|: where eth0 is your wifi and eth1 is your lan08:51
GeekChick|jcole, yah. like i said, i can connect if i do WEP using the system -> administration -> network window, but not WPA. and not with the network-manager applet.08:52
nogetjnc: as far as my knowledge to "daemons" reaches, i think it is the latter... i dont want to control any GUI at least08:52
jncGeekChick|: that is vital to know!   :)08:52
tonyyarussonoget: mpd08:52
GeekChick|jnc, i said it earlier 3 times08:53
jncsorry I'm a guy, I have a short attention span for talk08:53
Jordan_UHow do I make VLC open when I insert a DVD instead of totem?08:53
jncJordan_U: "preferred apps" I think08:53
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GeekChick|Jordan_U, should be able to right click on the DVD and go to properties and go to the "open" tab08:54
GeekChick|or that . . .08:54
jncGeekChick|: okay so wpa-supplicant is the thing we look for08:54
nogettonyyarusso: thanks, ill try that :)08:54
Zicubuntu.com is dead ? It's smell Feisty :)08:54
jncGeekChick|: for wpa-supplicant to function, your network device needs to be configured to accept any SSID08:54
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GeekChick|E: Couldn't find package wpa-supplicant08:54
tonyyarussoGeekChick|: I don't think it has a hyphen in the name08:55
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GeekChick|heh, wpasupplicant is apparently part of feisty08:55
GeekChick|its already installed.08:55
jcoleGeekChick|: wifi-radar does wpa08:55
jncyep should already be on there08:55
jncGeekChick|: now we check to see if it is running08:55
jncthere's a socket which I think HAL or D-Bus connects to when wpasupplicant is running, to configure it08:56
jncps aux | grep wpa_supplicant08:56
jncsomething like that to check08:56
jcolenetwork-manager depends on wpasupplicant08:56
GeekChick|8785  0.0  0.0   2880   760 pts/1    S+   23:56   0:00 grep wpa_supplicant08:57
jcolethat's why it's there08:57
jncGeekChick|: okay, not there.  good to know.08:57
jnchot tip you can prevent the 'grep' command from listing itself08:57
jncps aux | grep [w] pa_supplicant08:57
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GeekChick|jnc, i know.08:57
GeekChick|i just dont care most of the time08:57
jncstuffing the first character with brackets anyhow08:57
jcolewpagui is a qt gui frontend to wpasupplicant08:58
jncso... hm.  where do we configure wpasupplicant's driver?08:58
GeekChick|jnc, the broken network-manager, of course.08:58
jncit wants to know what sort of wifi setup you have, I don't know of a gui method to configure this in Feisty08:58
YingFanif a usb device doesnt get automounted, but can be manually mounted, which log can I see the automount attempt in? (I use udev)08:58
jcoleYingFan: dmesg08:59
jnceven before network-manager runs a process of wpa_supplicant, wpa_supplicant needs to be passed what sort of driver to expect08:59
jncon debian it was /etc/defaults/wpasomethingorother08:59
jnclooking now08:59
YingFanjcole: nothing obvious there, could "sda: got wrong page", be an issue?09:00
GeekChick|Hmmm, feisty uses avahi?09:00
jcoleGeekChick|: i'm running a similar card as you and using wifi-radar -> "Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless LAN 2100 3B Mini PCI Adapter (rev 04)"09:00
jcoleGeekChick|: yes09:00
jncGeekChick|: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/enable-wpa-wireless-access-point-in-ubuntu.html09:01
jcoleGeekChick|: avahi is very evil09:01
jncI'm reading it now, not saying that is the solution09:01
jcoleGeekChick|: disable it in network-manager09:01
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jcoleGeekChick|: it ALSO hooks into dbus09:01
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jncthat link I posted seems to be for a different problem09:01
jcoleYingFan: lsusb09:01
Cheetahis it just me, or is ubuntu.com down? O_o09:02
jncmaking your own WPA enabled access point, not connecting to one09:02
PrezCheetah: I thought the same09:02
Prezmust be a ton of people banging the crap out of it..09:02
tonyyarussoCheetah: Not just you.09:02
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jnc4 packets transmitted, 4 received, 0% packet loss, time 15497ms09:02
CheetahAlright :))09:02
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GeekChick|jnc, ill try the steps on that page you linked to. looks promising.09:03
Korgmatoseis there a direct package upgrade-path for us that use 7.04b /RC, or will we have to download an entire iso?09:03
Prezis it out? <click> is it out yet... <click>what about now, out? <click> on and on until ubuntu.com dies09:03
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GeekChick|looks like i can undo it easily too09:03
jncGeekChick|: hold up a second09:03
Cheetahshould I do a fresh reinstall if I had continously upgraded from herd4, or should it be fine?09:03
spikebPrez, it's almost dead09:04
jncGeekChick|: that page is useful because it shows what "should" be happening, it's from the perspective of Edgy though09:04
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jncwish I knew what was wrong, I do09:04
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GeekChick|jnc, well the procedure looks easily reversed even if it doesnt work.09:05
YingFanjcole, doesnt show up on lsusb. I shouldnt have said usb device, althuogh it can be that as well. i connected it through firewire which uses scsiemulation09:05
jncGeekChick|: the key is to know if wpa_supplicant is running09:06
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jncif it's not running, no matter what we do (wifi-radar, etc.) WPA auth will not work09:06
Cheetahhmm, is there a final 7.04 cd image yet? ;)09:07
GeekChick|sudo /etc/init.d/wpasupplicant restart ?09:07
jncGeekChick|: sure, worth a shot09:07
jncwatch the output for complaints09:07
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GeekChick|the only thing i see in init.d related to wpa is wpa-ifupdown09:07
jncI forget if network-manager triggers an instance of wpa_supplicant or if it expects one to be running 24/709:08
GeekChick|not sure i want to run it now lol09:08
Javvawhere can i download ubutu 7from?09:08
jcoleYingFan: you may need to manually load a 1394 module09:08
GeekChick|eh, well i restarted wpa-ifupdown, nothing broke09:08
jcoleYingFan: DV camera?09:09
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GeekChick|no results for ps aux|grep [w] pa09:09
YingFanjcole, well i have no problem mounting it manually without loading modules manually09:09
jncit may be that network-manager triggers a new instance of wpa_supplicant09:09
YingFanjcole, no usb harddisk connected through firewire, not usb09:09
jncwhat I'm confused about at the moment is how does that happen?09:09
jcoleYingFan: oh, you want the hotplug scripts to automount it?09:10
jnclooking at config files I don't see where wpa_supplicant is told which "-D" (wpa supplicant driver) option to use09:10
YingFani dont think it uses hotplug?09:10
YingFanjcole, since i use udev09:10
jncGeekChick|: if nothing else we can disable network-manager and go old-school, it /will/ work09:10
GeekChick|jnc, well im going to try that little page you linked to. if it doesnt work i can undo it pretty quickly.09:10
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debtraij #ubuntu-release-party09:19
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ubotusamba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT09:20
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jncI found more information on how the wifi stuff works09:24
jncas-is a new copy of wpa_supplicant is started when the connection attempt begins09:25
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jncor, that was true 1 year ago09:26
jncany fellow feisty users with wifi present?09:26
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GeekChick|Hmmm, that tutorial = BAD for feisty = no boot. :P09:27
GeekChick|Had to undo the changes in a recovery console haha09:27
GeekChick|it was funny, my wifi light on e1505 kept coming on then going off.09:27
GeekChick|and the boot process just froze eternally09:27
GeekChick|Well, either network-manager is a piece of shit, or it hates the intel proset 3945 abg, or it is buggy as hell and should have never made its way into feisty.09:28
jcolerunning wifi iwth feisty here09:29
GeekChick|im giving up. ill stick with manual mode, 1 WLAN network09:29
jncso... everything I'm reading up on now, it all says that network-manager-gnome applet connects to network-manager daemon, which (when told to connect to a WPA encrypted network) fires up a new copy of wpa_supplicant09:29
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jncand the passwords / keys are stored via gnome-keyring09:29
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GeekChick|jnc, but not WEP keys?09:29
jncWEP keys too09:29
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GeekChick|jnc, and yet it doesnt :/09:29
jncI'm confused, there, are you being asked for your WEP / WPA keys at all ?09:30
jnc(via network-manager-gnome applet)09:30
GeekChick|jnc, yah, i get asked every single time, it just never accepts them. it disappears, and says it has signal, but it never actually connects.09:30
GeekChick|and the passwords sure dont get stored in the keyring manager09:31
jncGeekChick|: oooh I may have found a snippet that indicates how to nuke your keyring09:31
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jcoleGeekChick|: use wifi-radar till network-manager matures09:31
jcolelater all09:31
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davidwhere's a stumper: wtf is one computer trying to do hostname lookups to - it's not in resov.conf09:32
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davidwindeed, it's not in /etc anywhere....09:32
GeekChick|jnc, i might try that.09:33
davidwand it's adding a lot of latency to things, it seems09:33
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jncGeekChick|: there's a possibility that the System > Network > etc.  thing is conflicting with network-manager09:33
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jncGeekChick|: take a look at /etc/network/interfaces and see if your wifi interface is listed there09:33
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jncyour wifi interface should be stricken from /etc/network/interfaces for network-manager to function properly09:34
Cheetahis there a specific time when 7.04 will be released officially? in europe its already apr. 19 :D09:34
HobbseeCheetah: see /topic09:34
HobbseeCheetah: and 2 hours after the last person asked09:34
Cheetahhrrm :D09:34
mtholdensswhats the party channel?09:34
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detDoes LVM/RAID work from the LiveCD now?09:35
jncGeekChick|: I suggest following the suggestions @ http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=406591&highlight=Keyring+Manager09:35
GeekChick|jnc, its all there. even lists my manual essid and key09:35
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CheetahHobbsee, is it neccessary to download and do a fresh install if I had previously been updating from herd4 all the time?09:36
jncyeah I think that to get network-manager going, we need to look at the link I just bumped and follow advices to claen up the interfaces config file09:36
HobbseeCheetah: no09:36
jncthen maybe do a reboot 'cause I'm not sure which parts of the system this all effects09:36
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YingFandoes the livecd use hotplug or udev?09:36
jncYingFan: hotplug has been depreciated for a long time09:36
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jncudev and hotplug are mutually exclusive lately09:37
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YingFanjnc, nod but udev isnt marked as official?09:37
jnckernels 2.6.18+ sort of require udev09:38
YingFanjnc, yeah i was wrong i see now09:38
YingFanjnc, however it doesnt work09:38
jncThat's a common complaint09:38
jncwhat's the device or situation you want to make function?09:39
YingFanjnc, firewiring a usb harddisk09:39
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YingFanjnc, it detects it, asks for open window or do nothing, but when choosing open window, nothing happens09:39
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YingFanjnc, however i can manually mount it from commandline09:40
jncwhat is YingFan talking about09:40
YingFanjnc, just cant get it to automount09:40
jncdid I miss it09:40
YingFanjnc, uhm ok i rephrase it..., Im connecting an external HD through firewire. I then get a popup window, asking me for an action. Choosing open window should mount it09:41
YingFanjnc, however it doesnt09:42
jncexternal harddisk.  okay.09:42
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YingFanjnc, the hd can be mounted manually though, so it isnt a detection or file system issue09:42
jncYingFan: sounds more like hal / dbus stuff09:43
YingFanjnc, i see. only dmesg indication is "got wrong page"09:43
jncSystem > Preferences > Remmovable Drive and Media Preferences09:43
YingFanthats gnome?09:44
jncand if you want to check if the drive appears, well it's going to show up as a scsi device (cat /proc/scsi/scsi)09:44
jncoh yeah gnome09:44
YingFanim in kde, hmm09:44
jncwhy what DE do you run?09:44
jncno clue about kde, sorry09:44
YingFanit appears, and can be mounted. just want it to be done automatically, since i also will be connecting several different usb pens09:45
YingFanthat will be usb though, not firewire but i get same problem there, detects it fine, and can be mounted, just not auto..09:46
jncI don't know what to tell ya YingFan, IMO the Gnome + Ubuntu configuration is what gets the most priority in usability testing09:46
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YingFannod, just switched from gentoo, so not sure what logfiles to search for clues or how to increase verbosity09:47
jncGeekChick|: welcome back09:47
GeekChick|Ajnc, thanks for the help.09:48
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GeekChick|AIt just decided to start working randomly . . . i did the "create wireless network" option even though I could already see my ESSID and connect to it, i created one with identical specs, and then it started to work as if by magic, and the passphrase is now stored inside of my "Keyring Manager."09:48
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jncGeekChick|A: glad it's working09:49
jnclike I said earlier "kill it with fire"09:49
jncsums up my frustration when things mysteriously work and not work09:49
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jncGeekChick|A: if you look at "ps aux | grep [w] pa" now you'll see the wpa_supplicant running (if connected to the WPA encrypted network)09:50
davidwok, so.... as I was saying... this avahi-daemon deal kills network latency09:50
GeekChick|Abut its still not working perfectly. when i right click on the network-manager applet and go to "Connection information" it tells me an error message of "Error displaying connection information:  Could not find some required resources (the glade file)!"09:50
GeekChick|Aso far the only caveat.09:50
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jncGeekChick|A: o_O  glade file?   would think that it sort of needs the glade file to build it's user interface09:51
GeekChick|Ajnc, root     10402  0.0  0.1   3784  1448 ?        S    00:46   0:00 /sbin/wpa_supplicant -dd -g /var/run/wpa_supplicant-global09:51
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GeekChick|Ajnc, lol, well its missing its damn glade file and it isnt my fault :)09:52
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vimalg2ubuntu.com is down. Hooray for zero-day junkies09:53
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nogethey, does anybody have an idea if there is an app which lets you control the master volume via console?09:54
crimsunnoget: amixer, alsamixer, aumix, etc.09:54
jncGeekChick|A: check your box for the following files...09:54
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crimsunnoget: of course the driver has to actually expose a 'Master'09:54
jncls -l /usr/share/nm-applet/applet.glade /usr/share/gnome-vpn-properties/nm-vpn-properties.glade09:54
GeekChick|Ajnc, got them both.09:55
jncI do too.09:55
GeekChick|Aboth owned by root09:55
jncI don't know what it could be complaining about09:55
GeekChick|Ajnc, who is the chowner for yours?09:56
maddleran efty morning all! :D09:56
GeekChick|Ais it root:root?09:56
jncGeekChick|A: yep09:56
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about dbus - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi09:56
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maddlerwell... it was actually meant to be "feisty"! doh!!! I should take one MORE coffee!!!09:58
GeekChick|Ajnc, hmmm, well i dont have the glade file according to it :P09:58
GeekChick|Abut its been a real bastard to me, so i dont believe a word of the error09:58
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jncI'm reading the hex dump of nm-applet, and it references a printf format string and also "applet.glade" which looks correct enough09:59
GeekChick|Ajnc, oh, look what "appeared" in gconf-editor, "/system/networking/wireless/networks" -- it only appears when the thing works. *sigh*10:00
calliope_so in my newly installed and fully update 6.10 I still cant get the upgrade button and I confirmed the update manager is 0.45.2 and the synaptic packages are all turned on and switched the server from canada to main site but still no Upgarde Button. any tips please10:00
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GeekChick|Acalliope_, are you using the alternate cd iso?10:00
jncGeekChick|A: only Ubuntu can prevent forest fires10:00
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calliope_i used the 6.10 iso my buddy burned last month or so may 3 months a go10:01
GeekChick|Acalliope_, you'll only get the upgrade button when you insert the alternate cd10:01
calliope_what alternate cd10:01
GeekChick|Awhen you download desktop or server . . . there are a bunch of different ISOs.10:01
GeekChick|Agrab the one that is named ubuntu <version here> i386 alternate10:02
calliope_well its not the server version10:02
jncso like,  you're running Edgy 6.10 and you want feisty, you need the feisty alternate cd ?10:02
enychrrrm  www.ubuntu.com (  TCP port 80 not want to talk to me!10:02
calliope_well how do i double my current isntalled version again10:02
jncenyc: bribe it with chocolates10:02
jncit's down for others too10:02
GeekChick|Athere is a fast mirror out there if i can remember it . .  .10:03
enycjnc: I see10:03
calliope_double check my cur ver10:03
calliope_jnc: i think that will work10:03
enyccalliope_: are you expecting an upgrade to feisty to be avaliable??10:03
GeekChick|AIt's insanely fast.10:03
jnccalliope_: usually 'cat /etc/issue.net' on most distros10:03
GeekChick|AThey dont have feisty yet, but no one does.10:03
calliope_thats what the link on the web page said10:03
jnc"What does it mean?"  "NO ONE KNOWS what it means, but it's PROVOCATIVE!"10:04
GeekChick|Ajnc, my guess is that its something on the level of innuendo.10:04
calliope_https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades  its says how to go from 6.10 to 7.0410:04
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jncGeekChick|A: i think from "blades of glory" movie10:04
maddleryup... of which you can't get the full meaning... but makes you upset anyhow... ;)10:05
enyccalliope_: thats interesting... 6.04 isnt actually released yet.. it should be today ;-)10:05
enyccalliope_: err 7.0410:05
davidwfound it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/avahi/+bug/9494010:05
ubotuMalone bug 94940 in avahi "mdns listed in nsswitch.conf causes excessive time  for dns lookups" [Medium,Needs info] 10:05
calliope_isnt that link refering to 7.04 beta10:05
GeekChick|Aenyc, the cd option your looking at there requires the alternate ISO10:05
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enycGeekChick|A: think you might mean to be talking to somebody else10:06
calliope_it seems like in feisty release party theres all kinds of download on the go10:06
GeekChick|Acalliope_, , the cd option your looking at there requires the alternate ISO10:06
GeekChick|Aenyc, sorry10:06
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calliope_GeekChick|A: i wasnt actually looking at the cd option there. I used a 6.10 cd to make the initial install but ont that page I was looking at the part that says you can only directly upgrade from ubuntu 6.10 after full updates and to use the update manager to find the upgrade link10:07
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jncGeekChick|A: I am curious to know how many years you've used linux10:07
calliope_GeekChick|A: can you see that part10:07
GeekChick|Ajnc, off and on since 1996 or 1997.10:08
jncwow, star.10:08
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jncI picked it up in like '9710:08
GeekChick|Acalliope_, yes, but you WILL NOT see anything in the update agent until feisty is officially released tomorrow sometime.10:08
exsany css guys in here?.. need help on the unofficial ubuntu installer for windows. thanks10:08
muzzolis it a boy or a girl?10:08
GeekChick|Ayou will need to wait, or download one of the latest daily builds10:08
enycGeekChick|A: I thought its TODAY sometime10:08
calliope_jnc: now you make me feel un appreciated ;^)10:08
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GeekChick|Aenyc, umm, well its 1am and i just finished beating network-manager with a large stick.10:09
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calliope_GeekChick|A: k ill turn off the box and check to morrow after midnight est10:09
jnccalliope_: nothing was as unappreciated as I in 1997.10:09
GeekChick|Acalliope_, heh, just dont expect a fast download.10:09
GeekChick|Athey'll be hammered into oblivion10:09
muzzolGeekChick|A, when you say tomorrow what time zone are you talking about?10:10
muzzolfor me is 1910:10
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calliope_i got april 19 4 am right now10:10
enycGeekChick|A: ?what is being silly w/ network manager anyway?10:10
enycGeekChick|A: I rather got on okay with /etc/network/interfaces myself ;-)10:10
calliope_so about 20 or 22 hours ill check again10:10
GeekChick|Amuzzol, i said tomorrow because its 1 AM here (MST - Arizona - We dont abide by Daylight Savings), and I just finished beating the feisty fawn network-manager with a large stick, with some help from jnc.10:10
GeekChick|AIt was a misthought10:10
jncGeekChick|A: check your /etc/network/interfaces, see if your wifi interface is still listed FYI10:10
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vimalg2the guys at #ubuntu aare DDOS10:11
jncwe're not done abusing it yet!10:11
jnc(I joke)10:11
vimalg2ing ubuntu.com10:11
GeekChick|Aenyc, umm i need to connect to multiple networks depending on where i am.10:11
zPacKRatI just installed ndiswrapper and installed the latest drivers for a linksys wpc45gv4 and I cannot connect with wpa, any ideas10:11
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GeekChick|AzPacKRat, give up. :(10:11
zPacKRatI can connect unencrypted fine10:12
jnczPacKRat: kill it with f...  which chipset?10:12
zPacKRatlate night party in here eh10:12
jncI passed out 12pm - 9 pm10:12
jnclots of energy10:12
zPacKRatIPN 222010:12
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GeekChick|AzPacKRat, do what i did. maybe it will fix it...left click on the stupid network manager icon in the notication area, go to "create new network" and enter an identical network to your SSID you are trying to connect to with identical password.10:13
GeekChick|Athat should trick it to working like it did for me10:13
GeekChick|Aafter 3 hours of failing10:13
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zPacKRatI can see the AP just fine in NM and it sees it as secured, when I select it it prompts for the password and then times out.10:14
GeekChick|AzPacKRat, yes, like i said, i could see my AP fine too.10:15
GeekChick|Abut it DID NOT work until i created an identical network10:15
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GeekChick|Aits a badly programmed piece of shit10:15
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zPacKRatamen to that10:16
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Korgmatoseis it possible to see what version of restricted modules are packaged? Like what revision of ipw3945 that's bundled?10:16
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zPacKRathope it gets better, it has potential10:16
jnczPacKRat: for network-manager to function you need to clear your /etc/network/interfaces file of everything except the loopback interface 'lo'10:16
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GeekChick|Ajnc, no....dont do that if he is on feisty10:16
GeekChick|Ait stops the PC from booting10:16
jncoh good call10:16
GeekChick|Atry my trick zPacKRat. i know its unintuitive10:17
GeekChick|Abut i tried every tutorial on google. and they all failed10:17
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GeekChick|AI have the Intel Proset 3945 A/B/G10:17
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exs How much difference is there to this release of feisty we're all waiting for and the beta 5 feisty ?10:18
zPacKRatno go10:18
GeekChick|Aexs, less bugs.10:19
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zPacKRatit works fine with a broadcom based card with bcm43xx chipset, but I only get 11mb10:19
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jncwhat do you need 54mb/s for?10:19
Mulderyou're not likely to get 54mb in practice anyway10:20
Muldermore like 1/2 that10:20
GeekChick|AzPacKRat, hmmm. the only thing you may not have is a /etc/default/wpasupplicant file10:20
zPacKRatI dont10:20
GeekChick|Ai know i created that manually10:20
GeekChick|Aand put ENABLED=0 in it10:20
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Assimilatorso is it out yet ?10:21
GeekChick|AAssimilator, no.10:21
Assimilatoroh but it's the 19th10:22
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blazemongerMicrosoft is preventing feisty from being put out i bet10:23
GeekChick|AAssimilator, oh but it's not out.10:23
rbwsamwere there in fact delays?10:23
GeekChick|Arbwsam, no one knows.10:23
rbwsamGeekChick|A: thanks10:23
jncblazemonger: making ACPI rely on the NT API? not yet10:24
enycrbwsam: there were delays for the Release Candidate disks...10:24
GeekChick|Ajnc, blazemonger if ACPI used NT kernel it might actually work well in linux.10:24
GeekChick|Ainstead of giving me 50% the battery life10:24
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mc44rbwsam, Assimilator see the topic, join that channel10:24
enycrbwsam: well there hasnt been RC disks as such... just various daily disks for which testing was asked on mailing lists.. I think.10:24
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Korgmatosecan you turn on the power to wireless and bluetoohl t conserve power somehow?10:25
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enycGeekChick|A: btw -- have you updated system BIOS ?  they often fix power management problem areas....10:25
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jncpower management worked great when I had a Google-issued T43p IBM thinkpad10:26
GeekChick|Aenyc, oh yes, im way ahead of you, lol. it flat out just sucks at power management (linux, i mean), even with the ati card on lowest power state, and the cpu running at half speed, running the acpi improved feisty kernel.10:26
GeekChick|Ai get 50% the battery life of windows xp on same charge10:26
GeekChick|Ajnc, you work for Google?10:26
jncuh, did once.  Contract stuff10:26
GeekChick|Ajnc, ah.10:26
jncthe office folk didn't like me so I never got a job offer10:26
enycGeekChick|A: hrrm i know  powernowd works w/ AMD cpus...10:26
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enycGeekChick|A: I dont really know about video card powersaving10:27
GeekChick|Aenyc, Intel Core Duo T2500.10:27
enycGeekChick|A: what do you mean "running the ACPI" _exactly_ ?10:27
jncbut yeah I had to go through some hoops and ladders to make T43p power management work properly, write a kernel patch, etc.10:27
GeekChick|Aenyc, eh, the newer feisty kernel is supposed to have much improved power management. less bugs.10:27
jncit did eventually work, very well10:27
jncsuspend to ram worked great10:28
enycGeekChick|A: ooooh ... you mean acpi_improved(feisty_kernel) ..... [ok] 10:28
zPacKRatno love for the G even after creating the wpasupplicant file with the line ENABLED=0 added to it.10:28
jnczPacKRat: is wpa_supplicant a running process?10:28
GeekChick|AzPacKRat, did you create the identical network?10:28
enycGeekChick|A: not (running the acpi) improved (feisty_kernel).10:28
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enycGeekChick|A: I see now10:28
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GeekChick|AzPacKRat, i had to restart /etc/init.d/dbus at one point.10:30
zPacKRatnot a running proc10:31
zPacKRatand what do you mean create the identical network?10:31
GeekChick|Aeh, point is, it was a 3hour adventure of no tutorials working for network-manager applet, with WPA or WEP and somewhere along the way creating that identical network fixed it.10:31
CrakeHunterhello, isnce www.ubuntu.com doesnt work over here: is the final version out yet? and where do i get it?10:31
GeekChick|ALeft click on the network manager thing in the notifcation area.10:31
GeekChick|Ayou will see "CReate new wireless network"10:32
CrakeHuntero im sry just read the topic. not released yet!10:32
GeekChick|Ause that, and create one identical to your AP10:32
GeekChick|Agood god its 1:30 AM.10:33
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Assimilatorso will the dvd .iso have both ubuntu and kubuntu on it or will i have to install kubuntu from the repo ?10:33
GeekChick|AAssimilator, not sure but you could just install kubuntu-desktop from apt-get10:34
Assimilatori have kunbuntu installed over the top of ubuntu from synaptic with edgy10:35
GeekChick|Ajnc, thanks for the help earlier. Im off to bed.10:35
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zPacKRatas if it were magic, it now works10:37
zPacKRatGeekChick: thanks10:37
GeekChick|AzPacKRat, with the create new wireless network trick?10:38
zPacKRatjnc: thanks10:38
jnczPacKRat: bless you my wifi stumbler10:38
zPacKRatthink so, I also did this "wpa_passphrase your_ssid your_psk" just before it started working10:38
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GeekChick|Ahaha, yah, its a fucked up piece of shit, aint it. it took me 3+ hours to find out wpasupplicant was working perfectly fine and nothing was broken but a badly made network-manager that somehow made it into a release OS10:38
zPacKRatwhat do ya want fo free10:39
zPacKRatnight all10:39
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CrakeHunterso des the importing assistent (from outlook to evolution) work well?`also with german outlook - does anyone know?10:39
jncUbuntu for nothing and your wifi for free, we got install microwave tranceivers, configure up our WEP keyrings10:40
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GeekChick|Ajnc, what was that stupid radar app called again?10:40
jncit wasn't stupid, it was incapable of thought to begin with10:41
GeekChick|Ayes, that was it.10:41
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GeekChick|Awell im off to bed. its been a pleasure.10:42
GeekChick|Athanks jnc. :)10:42
jncsure. save the penguins10:42
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coNPHey Everybody! Does Gutsy appear here soon? :)10:54
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mc44coNP: dont be silly :)10:55
coNPsoorry ... ;)10:55
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Zorlini think he met after release10:56
Zorlinwill the title be changed to  'gutsy gibbon' (in this *channel*) after fiesty launch?10:56
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coNPI hope so, after the Edgy-release this channel was closed down for a while.10:57
MugginsMusually it's a few days before ubuntu+1 isn't it?10:57
MugginsMlet the devs get some sleep, etc10:57
coNPbut let the silly users have their channel as well :)10:57
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mc44gutsy wont be useable for a while, they have to do the toolchain and stuff10:58
coNPmc44: sure10:58
MugginsMdepends how you define "useable", I grew up on Slackware 1.0 :)10:58
coNPbut I still *want* to use it :)10:58
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ScuniziGot Fiesty, downloaded beryl from repositories, installed ATI binary from repositories, checked xorg (driver set to ati, shouldn't that be different?). Glxgears works. how do I activate beryl?11:01
shmeelAwayhi, if i'm using the feisty beta, how can i upgrade to new release?11:01
Scunizijust run update11:01
shmeelAwayoh yea?11:02
Scunizior sudo aptitude update then sudo aptitude upgrade11:02
shmeelAwayis final release out/11:02
mellow_bunnynope not yet11:02
Scunizinot that i've heard11:02
mellow_bunnyMithrandir >_>! having fun fun today?11:03
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billyGreetings feisty fans.11:03
Mithrandirmellow_bunny: yes.11:03
schwuk!feisty | shmeelAway11:04
ubotushmeelAway: Join #ubuntu-release-party for the celebration of the soon-to-be-released 7.04 version of Ubuntu: The Feisty Fawn | FEISTY IS NOT RELEASED YET11:04
mellow_bunnywonderful ^_^11:10
billyCan I manually purge older backups with sbackup?  Unfortunately, two backups has used up 100% of my root partition and I need to purge one of them.11:10
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bullgard4What does 'bus mastering control=yes' mean in /proc/acpi/processor/CPU0/info?11:10
schwukmellow_bunny: now we just need to get ubotu to auto reply to anyone how mentions the words "final", "out" and "yet" :D11:10
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mellow_bunnyyah XD can we give it a nice like level system so after the third question it just goes beserk and boots random people?11:10
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XenSAcan someone please help with an external usb drive i cannot write to it11:11
billyAnyone know of a good alternative to sbackup?11:11
XenSAbilly: pybackpack?11:11
billy!info pybackpack feisty11:12
ubotuPackage pybackpack does not exist in feisty11:12
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VirhYl3yo yo... anyone gotten good n64 emulation going in Feisty?11:13
schwukVirhYl3: no, but it works a treat on my Wii :D11:14
VirhYl3meh, why bother with consoles anymore?11:15
VirhYl3n64 works PERFECT under windows... Mupen is crashing and resetting the input config over and over on here though... :(11:15
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billywould I kill anything if I removed /var/backup ?11:17
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XenSAcan someone please help with an external usb drive i cannot write to it11:18
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VirhYl3all the plugins for mupen are .so instead of .dll, so I can't just copy them over either.11:18
gordmupen works fine here VirhYl311:18
VirhYl3it keeps resetting my controller every boot.11:18
VirhYl3any idea why it'd do that?11:18
VirhYl3resetting 20 plus buttons every time I wanna boot mario kart is silly, and doesn't make for actual game time.11:19
gordyou sure you have write permissions to the config file/directory11:19
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VirhYl3Hmm... maybe that'll help.  I best reboot though, it just keeps crashing now.11:20
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VirhYl3alright, good clean reboot, let's see now....11:23
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VirhYl3i'll be damned.  All works perfect now!11:25
XenSAcan someone please help with an external usb drive11:25
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XenSAhow do you mount usb drive to write to it?11:30
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shmeelAwayso it's out11:32
shmeelAwayapt-get update doesn't do anything tho11:32
shmeelAwaywill it take a while before it does?11:33
Mithrandirwhy would apt-get update do anything?11:35
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shmeelAwayisn't that what ppl said would get the update from beta to 1.0?11:36
shmeelAwayerr the release version11:36
shmeelAwayhow do i upgrade then?11:36
Mithrandirif you've pulled in all the upgrades along the way you're at what will become 7.0411:36
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[miles] ubuntu.com down?11:37
[miles] lol11:37
vimalg2cdimage.ubuntu.com shows an "update in progress" DUMMY link11:38
laichzeithow long till it hits slashdot front page? ;)11:38
vimalg2fire up yer download managers11:38
Mulderit's also slower than a goat11:39
vimalg2for real men my prompt reads "wget -c  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/7.04/release/<waiting for filename>.iso11:40
vimalg2he he11:40
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Mulderif only there were a nz mirror11:40
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mellow_bunnyisnt there a nz mirror11:43
mellow_bunnyi swear there was..11:43
Mulderthere probably is one11:43
ajmitchnot one that has release images that I'm aware of11:43
Muldersite too lagged for me to check11:43
ajmitchcitylink's mirror only has beta isos11:43
Mulderas do the official one?11:44
mellow_bunnythey should update soon enough11:44
Mulderwlug eh11:44
mellow_bunnyeek i only found them through google11:44
mellow_bunnyhey Mulder!11:44
mellow_bunnyLONG TIME NO SEE11:44
Mulderwho are you?11:44
mellow_bunnyhmm i was in the channel.. for a while11:45
mellow_bunnydid you do alt.tv's internet thing?11:45
mellow_bunnyi cant remember the channel name hold a sec11:45
Mulderyou look familiar, but i cant quite put a finger on it11:45
mellow_bunnydebian.co.nz related11:45
mellow_bunnyi was in that channel for awhile11:45
Mulderliz's channel?11:46
mellow_bunnyi didnt get along with her very well11:46
Muldera lot of people dont it seems11:47
mellow_bunnyi wouldnt say she;s "angsty11:47
elifedUbuntu or Xubuntu,,,that is the question :P11:47
mellow_bunny" but she tends to be very opininated11:47
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mellow_bunnyhmm Ubuntu server for me11:47
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mellow_bunnyno need for ui11:47
elifedummm, even console is a UI :)11:48
elifedaka CLI :D11:48
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charlie5hi guys ... which would likely be quicker for new feisty ... a torrent d/l or regular wget ?11:50
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elifedI'm still running Breezy server on my firewall11:50
Muldercharlie5, torrent if you have the bandwidth to blow11:51
capiirahmm hi will ubuntu feisty get thunderbird 2?11:51
Mulderdirect will be slow11:51
elifedGUI, fair enough11:51
Mithrandircapiira: no11:52
charlie5Mulder: thanks ... i have 512/128 ... guess i'll give the torrent a try 1st11:52
elifedcapiira, I doubt it, TB 2 just got released11:52
capiiraand feisty not :)11:52
elifedwell due to go gold today11:52
capiiraahh ok11:53
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capiiramaybe a backport somewhere later11:53
elifedor you can probably install it yourself11:53
[miles] ok, weird.. why when I've got the linux-headers installed, is it that my /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.20-15-generic/sound/pci/hda contains nothing more than a Makefile ?!11:53
VirhYl3Is there a mirror up with the release yet?11:53
[miles] actually, if I do a tree of the sound dir, there is nothing except make files11:53
VirhYl3or a torrent?11:53
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exswhats the launch parties irc?11:54
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MulderVirhYl3, files up, announcement not, so it's a matter of waiting11:54
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Muldersome mirrors have not been so good (about the waiting)11:54
VirhYl3I submitted an article to /. already, just in case. :P11:55
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elifedVirhYl3, haha11:55
exsMulder:  VirhYl3 what's the irc address to the launch party channel? thanks11:55
mc44exs: #ubuntu-release-party11:55
Mulderexs: #ubuntu-release-party11:55
elifedcmdrtaco will get all of the credit for the submission11:55
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Mulder[miles] , if you installed the headers, then that's what you got11:56
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Mulderprobably installed in /usr/include/linux11:56
[miles] Mulder: ah ok11:56
capiirabtw. is there a package that update all stuff configs etc. that still have beta name ?11:56
Mulder[miles] , if you want kernel source, install the kernel source package11:56
Mulderthen you will see A LOT more files in /usr/src/linux11:57
[miles] thats what I want11:57
[miles] Mulder: whats the package name please for the full kernel source?11:57
Muldercapiira, change repository lines, then do a apt-get dist-upgrade11:57
capiirayeah "apt-get source linux-source-2.6.20"11:58
capiiraok will do that after feisty got released11:58
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[miles] ah perfect11:58
[miles] many thanks Mulder11:58
[miles] :-)11:59
Mulderor "linux-source-2.6.2011:59
[miles] nod, got it11:59
[miles] Mulder: btw, did the RC make it to final?11:59
Mulderbut your apt-get source works too11:59
Mulderno idea, i dont work for the project11:59
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Mulderbut i think there were a few bugs they fixed in the RC from looking at the website about it12:00
ceil420hey, does anyone know why they took the "Xubuntu" splash screen out of Feisty Xubuntu? that was my favourite one :(12:01
[miles] ah ok12:02
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ceil420(or, if there's a way i can get it back)12:04
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linxehceil420: I have it here :o12:05
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ceil420on Feisty? :o12:05
ceil420the mouse running in the wheel?12:05
linxehI have a "xubuntu" login screen if that's what you meant12:05
linxehor do you mean as the session is initialising ?12:06
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ceil420yeah that12:07
ceil420the "loading" screen12:07
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mellow_bunnypoor Seveas =.=12:11
enyccooo.... http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/feisty/release/ exists now ;-)12:11
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Mulderyeah heh12:12
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Ayabarais there a .deb for thunderbird 2.0 to be found yet?12:12
AmyRosemy Ralink RT2570 USB wifi card worked perfectly with Edgy but I get a "vendor request error" with Feisty12:12
Mulderwell, if feisty uses rc1, then that's the same12:12
Mulderthere were no changes between tb 2.0rc1 and 2.012:13
AmyRoseAnybody know why?12:13
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AyabaraMulder, but feisty uses 1.something?12:14
Mulderi'll check packages.ubuntu.com now12:15
Mulderso it does12:15
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Mulder2.0 probably wont be available til feisty+1 i'm guessing12:16
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AyabaraMulder, agree, but I also guess that "someone" will make a .deb for feisty :-)12:19
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Mulderah yeah12:19
Mulderhigihly likely :)12:19
Mulderyou could make one!12:19
Mulderusing checkinstall12:19
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HairulfrSo, anyone got a mirror for feisty? Or what's the command that'll upgrade my distro: apt-get upgrade + something else12:23
HairulfrOR has everythin chrashed12:23
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mon^rchI can't event connect to the ubuntu web page ;)12:23
HairulfrI figured12:24
Muldermajor hammering12:24
mc44Hairulfr: dont use apt get to upgrade12:25
mc44!upgrade | Hairulfr12:25
ubotuHairulfr: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes12:25
mon^rchthis is as popular as something else as of late :)12:25
Hairulfrmc44: Cheers :D12:25
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Patrick_can anyone help me fix a problem, when I log out I get a blank screen and the laptop hangs until I hold in the power button down which I hate12:29
shabupgrade to feisty hangs while configuring(postint) xserver-org12:30
shabI am using nvidia-legacy driver12:30
shabany idea? Please help12:30
_4strOshab: show details12:30
_4strOand answer the question (if you're using adept or sm like this)12:31
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shabit hangs at executing postinst of xserver-xorg12:33
shabas no output.12:34
shabas such no output12:34
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shabhangs at "Setting xserver-xorg..."12:34
_4strOshab: in konsole ?12:34
shabya, i am using manual method of feisty upgrade12:35
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AmyRosewhat's with ubuntu.com?12:35
HairulfrAmyRose: Nothing, absolutely nothing12:36
AmyRoseoh, ok12:36
AmyRosewhat's with my wifi driver though? I never had this problem in Edgy12:36
shabit think some problem with postinst script of xserver-xorg for nvidia-legacy driver12:36
mc44shab: why didnt you use the update-manager?12:37
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shabiam using edgy kde.12:37
Hairulfrmc44: Because nothing happens, it does nothing, it just says: "Your system  is up to date"12:37
mc44Hairulfr: sudo update-manager -d12:37
mc44shab: ah kde. icky :)12:38
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phirewill feisty support my intel abg1234 wireless chip?12:38
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mipsphire, no you need windows for that :)12:38
phireor will I need to get drivers?12:38
Hairulfrmc44: No difference, im still up to daate12:38
shabi tried "dpkg --configure -a"12:39
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shabI thing is it hangs at "Setting up xserver-xorg (7.2-0ubuntu11) ..."12:39
shaband there is no progress.12:39
mc44Hairulfr: hmm, well just wait for the offical release then :)12:39
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shabmc44: is there any problem of xserver-xorg with nvidia legacy driver.12:42
shabmc44: ??12:42
mc44shab: dont know, I havent done a manual upgrade12:43
shabmc44: any suggestions  what to try12:43
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mc44not sure12:44
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shabmc44: does it much time to execute postinst of xserver-xorg 7.2-0ubuntu1112:45
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Mulderi wonder, is canonical making money yet?12:48
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shabmc44: it also hangs in adept_manager12:49
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shabmc44: any help12:49
mc44Mulder: its not breaking even12:49
mc44shab: ask in #ubuntu12:49
phireMulder, how would they make money?12:49
Muldermc44, are there any financial statements that are publically released?12:49
Mulderphire, through support12:49
mc44Mulder: no its a private company12:50
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davidwwell, while it's got momentum, I don't think he's spending vast sums of money12:50
mc44he does have a lot of money :p12:50
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davidwif I were him, I'd pull the plug if things ever started going badly from the community/technology point of view... he didn't have a good project and a good group of people any more12:51
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shabmc44: ok thanks12:53
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acusterlovely and quiet in here01:15
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Mithrandiracuster: yeah, like a chill-out-room at a party.01:16
acusterI suppose the 'unofficial' release will be when the channel bumps to no longer be about feisty01:16
mc44its the kitchen of the release party01:16
acusterany of you know how to get cd's for a user group? We could have used a few last night01:17
acusternice to see new users expressing interest all the time01:17
ubotushipit is a service that sends free Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Edubuntu CDs. See http://shipit.ubuntu.com/ and http://shipit.kubuntu.org and http://shipit.edubuntu.org - Shipit will not send Edgy (6.10) CDs, but only Dapper (6.06) CDs, as Dapper is a !LTS release.01:17
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mellow_bunnyhow on earth will that be unofficial>01:18
kbrooksacuster, there is no "unofficial" release.01:18
Hairulfracuster: What Mc44 said'01:18
kbrooksacuster, there is a "official" release01:18
acustershipit doesn't have link for user groups01:18
kbrooks!shipit is inaccurate01:18
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kbrooks!shipit is um needs update for 7.04 please :-)01:18
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ubotuCompiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects01:20
mellow_bunnykbrooks there is one big issue preventing that01:21
mellow_bunnyi think you know what it is01:21
kbrooksmellow_bunny, sorry?01:21
kbrooksno i dont01:21
mellow_bunnywell then you must be blind poor fellow i didnt realise you were using braille01:22
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kbrooksmellow_bunny, i dont understtand what u meant01:22
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billy!info DeVeDe feisty01:28
ubotudevede: Video DVD creator. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 2.9-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 449 kB, installed size 1060 kB01:28
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OooopsFeisty will be released when it is released. hehe01:28
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billyit's like Santa Claus.  Just go to bed.01:28
Mulderis gibbons really going to follow through with the strict free software philosophy?01:29
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ubotuGutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule01:29
HairulfrMulder: I think there will be a choice, all eyecandy is supposed to be active default01:30
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kbrooksHairulfr, says who?01:30
MulderHairulfr, well i mean with binary drivers01:31
Hairulfrkbrooks: Read it somehwere, but it won't be totally free, as I understand it01:31
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Hairulfras in oen01:31
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ajmorris_what happened to full feisty been released today?01:31
ceil420day ain't over01:32
kbrooksajmitch, no one says it was.01:32
Mulderreplacing blobs with something free takes a lot of effort and time01:32
Mulderall that reverse engineering cant be easy01:32
stefg Hi, i've got a funny situation here. I have two Feisty installs, one being an updated beta, the other is a fresh install from yesterdays daily CD build. On the updated beta compiz is working. But on the fresh install i loose my window decorations when enabling desktop-effects. /usr/bin/compiz.real: No GLXFBConfig for depth 3201:32
stefg???? Can someone point me to the right place to look, what might be different between the two installs?01:32
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Oooopsi wait for the suspend bug fixed.01:33
mc44PriceChild: join the party!!! :)01:33
PriceChildIs it out yet?01:34
_4strOstefg: did compare the etc/X11/xorg.conf files ?01:34
ajmitchkbrooks: sorry?01:34
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kbrooksajmitch, highlighting mistake01:34
kbrooksajmorris_, no one says it was.01:35
void^stefg: nvidia's driver needs Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True"01:35
ajmorris_kbrooks, they said 19th, it was delayed01:35
kbrookstoday is 19th01:35
ajmorris_i know01:35
kbrooksno, it was not delayed FROM the 19th01:35
stefg_4strO: in fact i copied it over from the working install, to see if it changes something. Does not ... :-(01:35
ubotuJoin #ubuntu-release-party for the celebration of the soon-to-be-released 7.04 version of Ubuntu: The Feisty Fawn01:35
mc44PriceChild: dont be silly01:36
Angeluzfiesty? ;)01:36
ajmorris_they said that it would be release on 19th of april. it doesn't matter it was delayed :)01:36
kbrooksPriceChild, no, it is NOT out yet.01:36
stefgvoid^: lemme check that01:36
AngeluzSure it is?01:36
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PriceChildkbrooks, :P01:37
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stefgvoid^:  it was indeed missing... funny that the other install works, tho... Ok, let me restart my X01:39
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ajmorris_http://releases.ubuntu.com/feisty/ makes it appear that it is out lol. They should have written on this site that it is still rc... unless i missed it01:40
mc44its not out until it is announced01:41
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Angeluzajmorris_: As far as I know, there won't be an RC, because the beta-state took so long.01:41
HairulfrRC was cancelled01:42
stefgvoid^: yeah, that was it... works now :-)01:42
AngeluzAnd the Release Manager that was here yesterday told us, that the Beta is almost like the Final, except for a few small bugs.01:42
Angeluz... that need(ed) to get fixed. :)01:43
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PriceChildFeisty in +1 or -release-party please.01:44
PriceChildi am in +101:44
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AngeluzLike in "virtual Beer"? :D01:45
mc44PriceChild: silly you01:45
mc44all the virtual beer you cant drink01:45
acusteris the iso for x86 from april 15th the final?01:45
b0uncerhi. anybody have ideas why the network applet thing on Gnome-panel no more gives a list of available wireless networks (only "manual configuration" or static configuration)?01:45
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b0uncerit used to have a list some time ago01:45
acusterb0uncer, yep01:45
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acuster/etc/network/interfaces has junk in it01:45
b0unceracuster, that's all?01:46
acusterback it up and remove all the stuff except the loopback01:46
kadakashow can i unite the different copy buffers of ubuntu into one ?01:46
acusterb0uncer, that how I solved the issue01:46
PriceChildb0uncer, have you added things to /etc/network/interfaces or system>admin>network01:46
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acusterPriceChild, do you understand what's going on with that?01:46
PriceChildacuster, ?01:46
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b0uncerI haven't added anything manually, so..01:47
acusterI fixed my nm but don't really know why01:47
b0uncerbut it seems the interfaces file has some entries I don't believe I need01:47
acuster cat /etc/network/interfaces01:47
acusterauto lo01:47
acusteriface lo inet loopback01:47
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acusterthat's all it needs, b0uncer01:47
b0unceracuster, does it then add the wireless eth1 there itself after I connect to the wireless network?01:48
b0uncerI'll try thanks :)01:48
AdministratorXGood Morning Everyone :)01:48
AngeluzIs there a way to tell gaim/pidgin to send messages on ALT+Return?01:48
acusterb0uncer, I think the file is used by the old system of networking and netm' doesn't need it01:48
AdministratorXacuster: You are correct01:49
mipsany Irish folk here ?01:49
AdministratorXnm does not need the extra info.01:49
acusterso the two systems of configuration step on each other's toes?01:49
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bouncerhmm apparently it isn't enough to restart the applet :)01:50
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bouncernor the wireless device01:50
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acusterbouncer, no,01:50
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bouncerdo I need to restart some service or what?01:50
acusterI'm not sure how far you have to go down01:50
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bouncera new try -->01:51
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