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atarinoxwas the feisty release delayed/12:53
maxamillionatarinox: its supposed to release tomorrow12:54
atarinoxfor xubuntu?12:54
atarinoxor will that be a few days behind12:54
maxamillionatarinox: that i'm not entirely sure about12:55
blizzwhat's the ordinary way to startup things as a certain user at system startup? /etc/rc.local01:11
blizzlike su <user> -c <something>01:11
maxamillionblizz: yes, but i'm not entirely sure why you would want to do that01:12
blizzmaxamillion, there are no init scripts for that thing (teamspeak server)01:12
maxamillionblizz: ah ...'01:12
blizzdebian non-free unstable has a teamspeak-server deb01:13
maxamillionblizz: debian i a better server distro ;)01:13
blizzfortunately i wanted to install it on a debian 4.0 box anyway :P01:13
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ceil420what do i need to do to make it so that i can right/middle click on my desktop? :x01:42
Howdy125I'm using the mail watcher applet but when I set it up to open thunderbird when I click on the applet icon when new mail is available thinderbird opens fine but after that the applet no longer seems to check for new mail .. is that a known problem ?01:43
ceil420i just right clicked, and all that did was crash conky; after that, nothing happens when i right/middle click on the desktop01:43
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maxamillionceil420: sounds like xfdesktop isn't managing the desktop01:44
maxamillionceil420: go to settings->settings manager->desktop and click "allow xfce to manage my desktop"01:44
maxamillionHowdy125: i'm not to sure ... i don't use mail programs, you might want to check launchpad.net for a current bug report01:45
Howdy125ok .. ty maxamillion01:45
ceil420maxamillion, is there a way to save that setting? because if i just click close, it doesn't save :x01:45
ceil420i open the desktop settings again and it's not checked anymore01:45
maxamillionceil420: whoa ... that's strange01:46
maxamillionHowdy125: np :)01:46
ceil420should there be a xfce-desktop-manager process or something? cos if so it's not running01:47
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ceil420maxamillion, am i missing something? http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/966/processesen7.png01:49
maxamillionceil420: should just be xfdesktop01:49
maxamillionceil420: yeah ... should be "xfdesktop" in there01:50
ceil420i run xfdesktop and open Process Manager and it's in there, but then when i right click on the desktop it vanishes01:52
maxamillionceil420: seems like its crashing ... open a Terminal and run "xfdesktop" and then right click and see if it gives an error message in the terminal01:52
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ceil420"Segmentation fault"01:52
maxamillionah yes, the almight seg fault01:53
maxamillionceil420: what version of xubuntu you running?01:53
ceil420how strong a warrior do i have to be to stop that? ><01:53
vidd_laptop*wave* maxamillion01:53
maxamillionhiya vidd_laptop01:53
maxamillionceil420: when was the last time you did updates?01:53
ceil420about 10am GMT01:54
vidd_laptopwhen is 7.04 due for release?01:54
maxamillionvidd_laptop: tomorrow i believe01:55
vidd_laptophmmmm ubuntu's web site wont load01:55
maxamillionvidd_laptop: the package freeze already happened, i think we are just waiting on jani to say "ok, final images are on the server"01:55
Howdy125xfdesktop just prings be back to a prompt .. no errors .. 7.04 here.01:55
ceil420Update Manager tells me my system is up to date01:55
maxamillionHowdy125: yeah, it shouldn't error01:55
maxamillionceil420: ok ... that's off01:56
maxamillionanyhoo... i am getting off work and need to go01:56
maxamillionceil420: very sorry ... maybe someone else is able to help01:57
vidd_laptopceil420, what is the issue?01:57
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ceil420xfdesktop crashes when i right click on the desktop01:57
ceil420ceil@DivineStoner:~$ xfdesktop01:58
ceil420Segmentation fault01:58
ceil420it was blank until i right clicked, then seg fault came up01:58
vidd_laptopdid you try to re-install it?01:58
ceil420re-install xfdesktop?01:58
ceil420how would one do that, if one were so inclined? :x01:58
ceil420sudo apt-get reinstall xfdesktop?01:59
vidd_laptopsudo apt-get reinstall xfdesktop01:59
vidd_laptopyes...i believe thqat is the correct syntax01:59
ceil420E: Invalid operation reinstall01:59
vidd_laptopthen remove and install02:00
vidd_laptopsudo apt-get remove xfdesktop02:00
ceil420E: Couldn't find package xfdesktop02:00
vidd_laptopsudo apt-get install xfdesktop02:00
ceil420same thing when i try to install02:01
vidd_laptopone sec [maybe that is the issue?] 02:01
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vidd_laptopsudo apt-get remove xfdesktop402:01
vidd_laptopsudo apt-get install xfdesktop402:01
ceil420meh forgot xfce liked the number four02:02
vidd_laptopits to prevent confusion with xfdesktop3?02:02
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ceil420guess xchat didn't want me removing that02:03
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vidd_laptopBTW....removing xfdesktop4 will stop all desktop apps from runing....02:04
ceil420it still crashes when i right click ;s02:04
ceil420firefox stayed up :o02:04
ceil420but it seems to be frozen02:05
vidd_laptopyes....it "stopped running"02:05
vidd_laptopdid restart do anything?02:05
ceil420heh i'll tell you in a minute :x now that i think about it, i never restarted after removing beryl02:06
ceil420maybe beryl broke something02:06
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ceil420my desktop image is gone, replaced by plain blue02:10
ceil420and when i loaded xchat, i got an alert: "Unable to set transparent background! You may be using a non-compliant window manager that is not currently supported"02:10
ceil420and right clicking on the desktop still crashes xfdesktop -_-02:11
ceil420could this be a Feisty issue or did i just somehow break something? :x02:11
kalikiana_ceil420, Check the workspace/background image setting perhaps?02:12
vidd_laptopceil420, i think it is residual fallout from an incomplete removal of beryl02:13
vidd_laptopyou may need to reconfigure xfdesktop4 so it knows to load XFCE and not beryl02:13
ceil420kalikiana_, i "Allow Xfce to manage the desktop", and it brought my image back. i right clicked and nothing happened, so i opened the "Desktop Preferences" again and the box is no longer checked02:13
ceil420i did "sudo apt-get autoremove beryl" :o02:14
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vidd_laptopthis is another reason maxamllion recommends "aptitute" over apt-get02:15
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BFTDyo all02:15
kalikiana_So xfdesktop is not actually providing the desktop? Since the option is unchecked..02:15
kalikiana_hi BFTD :)02:15
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about apitute - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi02:15
ubotuaptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide02:16
vidd_laptopceil420, that only removed the program...it did not reset other apps that installing beryl changed02:16
ceil420kalikiana_, when i checked the option, the image came up, then i closed Desktop Preferences. i right clicked on my desktop and reloaded Preferences, and it was unchecked again02:16
ceil420it says "Segmentation fault" when i do it in terminal02:16
=== vidd_laptop BELIEVES this is your issue
=== vidd_laptop could be mistaken....
ceil420vidd_laptop, so how do i reset the other apps or whatever?02:17
vidd_laptopto be honest....im not sure02:17
vidd_laptopi dont know what all beryl changes02:17
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vidd_laptopbut if you reinstall beryl, you may find that your issue fixes itself....02:17
vidd_laptopthen we will have confirmation that it IS removing beryl that is causing your issue02:18
ceil420is there no way to just tell xfdesktop4 to fix itself?02:18
ceil420oi, i don't want beryl, but i do want a working desktop02:18
vidd_laptopwhile i am sure there is....i would have no clue where to even begin with that task02:18
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kalikiana_Maybe the session is broken?02:19
ceil420i've already rebooted02:19
vidd_laptopkalikiana_, he rebooted...issue remained02:19
ceil420well, i didn't check the session now that i think about it; it may have "loaded last session" or whatever02:19
vidd_laptopceil420, you should only need to sudo apt-get install beryl02:19
vidd_laptopall the other stuff is already in place [i believe] 02:20
ceil420vidd_laptop, there were problems when  i did that :x there's special instructions on their website for installing to ubuntu with an nvidia card02:20
ceil420i'll reboot again and start a new session, not load the last one02:20
vidd_laptopdid you try restalling since this issue began?02:20
ceil420i remember that fixed a problem once before02:21
kalikiana_Starting with a new session may be well worth a try imho.02:21
ceil420this issue's not big enough for me to want to bother reinstalling :x to my knowledge it just means i can't right/middle click on the desktop02:21
ceil420i can just ctrl-alt-backspace for that, right?02:21
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Slickhey guys, how do you install icon themes in xubuntu?02:22
kalikiana_ceil420, Yes, to restart just X and jump into gdm - but save everything before ;)02:22
ceil420xchat's the only thing i have open, and i think the logs are saved :p02:22
kalikiana_Slick, For example by copying one into ~/.icons02:22
Slickok thanks02:23
ceil420but what's gdm?02:23
kalikiana_ceil420, Good luck then :)02:23
kalikiana_ceil420, That is the 'gnome display manager'. Despite its name xfce can use it. It's "the login screen".02:23
ceil420ah groovie02:23
ceil420brb then o/02:23
kalikiana_cu :)02:24
Slickkalikiana_: I've copied to the ./icons file but its not showing in the user interfaces settings, any ideas?02:27
Slickkalikiana_: oh wait its working now02:27
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Slicksorry, it obviously just needed a few minutes02:27
ceil420no change -_-02:28
kalikiana_Slick, Sounds good :)02:28
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kalikiana_ceil420, Still segfaults in a fresh session? :-(02:28
ceil420only on right click tho02:29
ceil420middle click works02:29
ceil420(and right click functions normally in xchat, so it ain't something involving the mouse itself)02:30
vidd_laptopdid you reinstall beryl to see if the issue resolves?02:32
kalikiana_ceil420, So you cannot open the menu. Can you get to the xfce menu via a button i nthe panel?02:33
kalikiana_Maybe it's a menu issue.02:33
kalikiana_vidd: I'm not sure if reinstalling Beryl should be related to fixing xfdesktop.02:33
ceil420i don't have enough of a need to right click on my desktop to bother with beryl anymore02:33
=== kalikiana_ considers Beryl pretty unstable anyway :P
ceil420i can go in Desktop Preferences and change the background image from there after letting "Xfce manage the desktop"02:34
ceil420but i can't right click on the desktop02:34
=== vidd_laptop thinks he needs to re-install beryl, tell it to use XFCE to manage his desktop...THEN uninstall beryl
=== kalikiana_ thinks fixing Beryl to fix fxdesktop4 is a weird pov. :P
ceil420i think i need to not be retarded and look at other tabs in Desktop Preferences02:35
ceil420"Show Desktop menu on right click" wasn't checked02:35
ceil420but still, i don't think that should cause a segmentation fault, whatever that is :x02:35
kalikiana_This is getting is nowhere. ceil420, did you look in bugzilla for this problem?02:36
ceil420i will now02:36
vidd_laptopnotfixing it...just run it once to fix the issue02:36
ceil420cos i just noticed that that "Desktop menu" ain't the 'proper' menu02:36
ubotuXFCE bug 661 in xfdesktop "xfdesktop segfaults, due to repeated calls with "-reload"" [Normal,Resolved: invalid] 02:39
ceil420that's the closest i can find02:39
ceil420there's only 14 bugs with "xfdesktop4"02:39
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kalikiana_you could search for 'right' in xfdesktop only.02:44
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ceil420mmm catfish02:44
vidd_laptopkalikiana_, didnt you WRITE catfish?02:44
kalikiana_vidd, Indeed I did. That is why I'm so happy about it. :D02:44
ceil420what's CVS (in relation to xfce/xfdesktop)?02:45
kalikiana_ceil420, You mean what cvs is? It's a versioning system. Nothing xfce specific.02:46
ceil420http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=321 my menu is certainly "screwed up", and i was wondering if i should remove ~/.cache02:46
ubotuXFCE bug 321 in xfdesktop "xfdesktop menu issues" [Major,Resolved: fixed] 02:46
ceil420i have four items in ~/.cache/xfce4/desktop :o02:48
kalikiana_ceil420, So delete the folder, it won't usually hurt to. :)02:49
ceil420meh that didn't fix it02:51
ceil420woulda been nice :x02:51
ceil420i really gotta find out why my 80gig isn't auto-mounted after restarting, too -_-02:55
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kebhow do i get the system to release the swap space that is used?  there is plenty of free RAM03:11
Arkhwhy should you keb ?03:20
kebmy system seems to freeze when the swap is at 100%03:20
Arkhyour swap gets to 100% ?03:20
kebespecially with xmms and rtorrent and spambayes running03:20
Arkhmm I don't know..03:21
kebi think i will try swapoff and then swapon03:22
kebsee if anything panics03:22
Arkhi thought about that03:22
Arkhbut it is kindof dirty trick03:22
kebwhew, it worked. cpu and swap went to 100% for a while03:26
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kebmaybe it had to wake a bunch of sleeping processes and put them into RAM03:27
Arkhtorrent I think03:28
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jlisthi all, not sure if this is a problem - in "users and groups" tool, "manage groups", both users and groups show up03:33
kebeach user is in their own group, by default03:34
jlistoh i see03:34
kebi.e., there is a group created for each user03:34
jlistyeah, i notice that. all users are in /etc/group03:35
jlistnot making sense to me as a windows user :)03:35
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kebit gives maximum security by default, but you can reassign it03:36
jlisti see.03:37
jlistand i just realize that group "user_1" does not contain a member "user_a"03:37
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jlistsorry, i mean user_a and user_a03:40
jlistthe group of that user does not have a member of itself03:40
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kebi don't have a user_a group03:46
kebdid you create that ?03:46
jlisti mean, for each user, there is a group03:50
jlistbut the group does not contain the user id03:50
jlistuser_a is an example ... i wasn't clear03:51
jlistdoes anyone know when ubuntu 7.04 will be available, and when will xubuntu 7.04 be ready?03:53
kalikiana_jlist, Feisty will come at the end of this month. That's Ubuntu and XUbuntu afaik.03:55
jlisthmm. on ubuntu's site, it said "release is tomorrow" yesterday03:56
kalikiana_jlist, I do not remember the actual date, only "end of April". :/03:57
jlistand it says the same today :)03:57
kebjlist it is likely that a user is always a member of the group with same name, and does not need to be listed03:58
jlistLONDON, April 16, 2007  For users wanting a secure, feature rich alternative to Microsoft Windows, Canonical Ltd., the commercial sponsor of Ubuntu, announced today the Thursday release of Ubuntu version 7.04.03:58
jlistkeb: that seems to be the case03:58
kebtoday is Wednesday where i am03:59
jlisttrue. guess they put "tomorrow" on a bit too early03:59
kalikiana_It's thursday, 04:00 in the morning here.04:01
kebwill Feisty be released at 0704h04:01
jlistdepending on where you are...it might :)04:03
kebwith some MS-Windows releases, the file time was set to the version number04:04
jlisthmm. such as windows 95? :)04:06
cellofellowanyone know where XFCE4 keeps its menu data? My menu is bloated full of items that aren't really installed.04:08
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kalikiana_cellofellow, It's usually constructed from /usr/share/applications and ~/.local/applications04:09
cellofellowI know, but it caches  a local "copy" somewhere.04:09
kalikiana_That should not normally matter, if by "copy" you mean the cache.04:10
kalikiana_Since it's updated on file activities.04:10
cellofellowwell, whatever it is it gets updated when I run update-menus04:10
kalikiana_cellofellow, It might be ~/.cache/libfrapmenu04:11
cellofellowthere we go, my ~/.local/share/applications was full of crap from a previous installation.04:12
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kalikiana_cellofellow, Did I mention that catfish appears on google's first page of "linux file search" and "gtk file search" :D04:14
=== kalikiana_ is mamazed about that.
kebwhatis catfish04:14
cellofellowhis desktop search tool04:14
kebheh nice name04:14
cellofellowwe all made it up in a big brainstorm session. I used to be search4files. :)04:15
kalikiana_What does an "edit bookmarks" icon normally look like?04:16
kebcatfish is a little more colourful ;)04:16
godlesskalikiana_: You might remember I was having a problem with Rhythmbox starting very slowly. I didn't explain how I fixed it then; maybe 12 hours later is just as good.04:16
kalikiana_godless, Yeah, you were away I think. Now what was the problem?04:17
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cellofelloweasiest fix: scratch rythmbox and use exaile.04:17
godlessI had a samba share mounted through pyneighbourhood ... it had gone flaky.04:17
cellofellowyou actually got pyneighborhood to mount?04:18
godlesscellofellow:  I tried that, exaile's daap support is alpha stage at this point and not nearly as good as rhythmbox.04:18
godlessWhen it is polished up I will switch04:18
cellofellowoh, yeah, you use daap.04:18
kalikiana_godless, Ah, samba ~ windows, naturally :P04:18
godlessWell, not really, but that was the impetus for this experiment :)04:18
cellofellowexaile is doing pretty good for an 0.2.9 release.04:18
godlesskalikiana_:  precisely.04:18
sigmamu188anyone do any motorola seem editing with xubuntu?04:18
kalikiana_sigmamu188, Is there a linux porgram for that? I did that under windows only04:19
sigmamu188kalikiana_: thats what im trying to find out04:19
godlessRhythmbox was scanning for network shares, I guess, as I suppose it does. I didn't look into the specifics of why it was doing what it was doing to be honest. (I had been up all night.) I just tried to unmount the share. This didn't work right away but that's another story. Anyway after nuking the shares rhythmbox loads up quite quickly.04:19
kalikiana_sigmamu188, I wouldn't even have expected anyone to ask that here. Since it's not a topic for usual users. :P04:20
sigmamu188kalikiana_: i want to flash my  razr v3m to v3c and so some seem edits04:20
godlesscellofellow:  Exaile is great. The daap plugin specifically is not ready for primetime, though.04:20
cellofellowtracker always messed with my LinNeighborhood shares. I now use fusesmb.04:20
kalikiana_sigmamu188, I was pretty inactive about moto hacking recently. But I never found a program which would run on linux.04:21
godlesscellofellow:  I will look into fuse. It seemed a little more intensive an install and at the time I just wanted to move some files, but after the mess I had to clean up last night I am not particularly fond of PyNeighbourhood at the moment :)04:21
godlessI mean ultimately it was almost certainly windows' fault, but..04:22
cellofellowit's not hard to set up at all.04:22
cellofellowI find connecting to samba quite easy. Setting up shares on the other hand....04:22
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keb"Fatal error, search was aborted"04:35
keboops, is there a catfish support channel04:35
kalikiana_keb, Ask me, I'm the catfish support ;)04:40
kalikiana_keb, What were you doing to get this error?04:40
kebcatfish --fulltext keyword04:40
kebit popped up the dialogue window and started searching04:41
kalikiana_When I type exactly this I get one result. Would the file not exist (e.g. 'keyword1') it'd simply say 'Nothing found.'04:42
kalikiana_keb, What version are you using?04:42
kalikiana_keb, That's what I was using to verify. So... did you run it from a Terminal? Maybe it outputs a more exact error?04:46
kebfind: /home/keb/.aptitude: Permission denied04:46
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kebfind: /home/keb/.gtkhack: Permission denied04:46
kebthats it04:46
kalikiana_keb, Ah, so it did not find anything and *that* resulted in the error. I admit it's a but ugly/ confusing.04:46
kalikiana_keb, It's a find issue I could not fully fix.04:47
kalikiana_keb, I hope it's otherwise working? For example good to see someone using --arguments. In fact not everybody likes that apsect.04:48
keb"catfish notes"  does the same :/04:49
kebmaybe i am missing a backend?04:50
kalikiana_keb, I do not know your system, did you try to select a backend manually?04:50
kebit seems to default to "find"04:51
kalikiana_Yes. You need to select others manually. Either by --method or in the GUI.04:51
kalikiana_E.g. 'catfish --locate --thumbnails %s' is what I'm using as a shortcut.04:52
kebhm ok04:56
kalikiana_*'catfish --method=locate --thumbnails %s'04:56
kebwith locate it is ok but does not find files i know are there04:57
kebcatfish --method=locate catfish04:57
kebforgot to updatedb05:00
kebnope, even after that it still finds nothing05:02
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keb"locate catfish" works however05:03
kalikiana_keb, did you check the folder it's searching in?05:06
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keboh, doesnt it searc same as locate command ?05:07
boris55when's feisty going to be out?05:07
kalikiana_keb, unlike some search methods like locate, catfish always respects the folder05:08
kalikiana_boris55, Should be end of April, but I don't know an actual date by heart.05:08
kalikiana_keb, You can of course do --path=/ if it's annoying, but sometimes it's faster :)05:09
boris55I can't wait to try the new xubuntu. Still one of my favorite distos.05:09
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kalikiana_boris55, You *could* try the current beta ;)05:09
boris55I can wait. Thanks.05:10
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icicledanyone have problems with the network-admin program crashing constantly?05:12
icicledi can't seem to start it05:12
icicledit goes straight to a bug report dialog05:12
kalikiana_icicled, I'm on Edgy. It's working perfectly here. Any actual error message, possibly in a Terminal?05:13
iciclednope, nothing05:13
icicledjust a warning about not finding an icon05:13
icicledlast time i checked gtk warnings didn't mean anything05:14
kalikiana_icicled, Does it say what icon is missing? Maybe you can just add it?05:15
kalikiana_There *are* e.g. pyGtk programs that break if icons are missing.05:15
kalikiana_(I'm not sure spontaneously what that network-admin is done in)05:16
icicleduh...it works now05:16
icicledit wasn't working all afternoon05:16
kalikiana_So what did you do? Look it straight in the face?05:16
icicledthis is becoming like a windows app!05:16
icicledi don't know05:17
icicledmaybe it has to do with my wireless settings05:17
icicledi'm at home now, so the wireless is setup automatically on boot05:17
icicledbut at school in the afternoon i have to manually setup the wireless through console with wpa_supplicant05:18
kalikiana_As soon as wireless or samba play a role, those "windows" things can happen :/05:18
kalikiana_Connecting to a windows lan is always a horror. Like "Does it work today".05:18
icicledit shouldn't freak out and crash though05:19
rici"where does it want to go today?"05:19
kalikiana_*lol @ rici05:19
icicledi seems the network-admin tool crashes if it isn't connected via wireless05:19
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kebthanks kalikiana_ it is a useful addition05:22
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icicledwhat's catfish?05:26
kalikiana_icicled, it's a desktop file search frontend, e.g. for find, locate or tracker05:26
icicledah ok05:26
kebmine only lists find, locate, slocate as backends05:27
kalikiana_keb, It will only display what it finds on your system.05:27
kalikiana_keb, You can of couse still install strigi, pinot, tracker or doodle.05:28
kebare those better at some things?05:28
kebi will check into it05:28
kebwould love if it works with gnuift05:29
kalikiana_keb, What is gnuift may I ask?05:31
keba content based image finding tool05:31
kalikiana_keb, I wolud have to see if it fits as a file searching backends. Then adding it should be easy.05:32
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kebwell it depends, it doesnt look like catfish actually searches inside files for stuff05:32
kebonly looks at filenames05:33
kebso maybe there isnt a hook for content-based searching05:33
kalikiana_keb, If the backend supports it, catfish can search "fulltext", which means looking into files05:33
kalikiana_keb, but that depends a bit on the acutal backend05:34
kebhmm so it might be possible, if sample images were tagged with descriptions and the backend had the right hooks05:35
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kalikiana_Yes. As long as the backend provides a cli or dbus interface and outputs a path and any kind of text it should work.05:36
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biouserhello hello05:37
kebgnuift is meant as a query by example tool, but it might be adaptable, i will look at it05:38
kalikiana_hi biouser :)05:38
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biouserI am just here to offer support and conversation.. been using xubuntu for a few months... love it.... just upgrade to Feisty on a few machines in the last couple of weeks05:39
kalikiana_keb, If you could actually tell me how to use gnuift to search for a keyword and get back filenames I can look into it.05:39
kalikiana_biouser, Welcome to the team. We always need a helping hand :)05:40
kebafraid i havent used it enough, i indexed my collection but couldnt get the frontend working05:40
biouserthank you.  I'm new to IRC format.  I am happy to be observing. Just got some sndobj going in python...05:42
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biouserhello all06:43
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biouserhow's it going?06:57
kalikiana_biouser, Well, well so far. Coding happily, hating firefox fervently, you now how it is... :P06:59
biouserwhy hating firefox?06:59
kalikiana_Let me think... It's disintegrated. It's slow.07:01
biouserWhat is better?07:01
kalikiana_Hah, maybe Camino? Sadly it is Mac only. [..] 07:02
kalikiana_Or hopefully my own project based on webkit?07:03
biouserhmmm... I used something kde before that was pretty good... quicker.. let me think07:03
kalikiana_Currently, there is no browser I would call "really" better.07:03
biouseris that what you are working on?07:03
kalikiana_Yes, I'm building a browser which will render with webkit, known from Safari for example.07:04
kalikiana_And so far webkit is extremely much faster for me.07:05
kalikiana_And it consumes far less memory.07:05
biouserI like slim things07:05
biouserkonqueror is pretty cool, that's what it was07:06
kalikiana_Firefox hit a critical point for me, speaking of being arkward, slow and whatever.07:06
kalikiana_Actually konqueror uses khtml which is similar to webkit == sharing most code with it.07:07
biouserI don't know what webkit is...07:07
kalikiana_If konqueror were less of a everything-in-one and not qt I might like it. :P07:08
kalikiana_Webkit is Safari's engine. It was originally based on khtml == konqueror's engine.07:08
biouserwhat language do you write in mostly?07:09
kalikiana_Imagine Webkit as pretty standards compliant, like gecko, but much light in general.07:09
kalikiana_I chose C for maximum speed. Although I might need to hack a bit of C++ for the api of webkit.07:11
biouserare you working with a team?07:12
kalikiana_So far it's only me. But I talked to two guys so far who are willing to contribute.07:12
kalikiana_I hope that I can focus on the interface and avoid to work on the actual renderer.07:13
biouserI'm not much of a coder yet07:13
biouserI know some python, matlab, very little C..07:14
kalikiana_You could write docs or translate if you're not too comfy with C.07:16
kalikiana_I like python very much, but I don't think it's suitable for this project.07:16
biouserare you going to be able to get plugins into browser?  ie flash, java07:17
biouserdo you have a testing release?07:19
kalikiana_I would not really care about it until everything else works. But if someone makes it work it will of course be supported.07:19
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kalikiana_Currently configure is missing and certain things like to segfault. Apart from that I can browse websites with it and open tabs or windows. I'm looking forward to have something in a few days.07:21
kalikiana_hi maxamillion :)07:21
maxamillionhi kalikiana_07:22
biouserI'd be interested to check it out07:22
kalikiana_biouser, I can put you onto my ToPokeList :P07:23
biousersounds... provacative :P07:24
biouserprovocative that is07:24
biouserprovacative is interesting....07:24
kalikiana_If you will be online about the time I upload it I will (poke=)notify you.07:25
biouseron the freenode, here?07:26
kalikiana_Yep, I'm only on freenode.07:27
maxamillionfreenode ftw07:28
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Pumpernickelkalikiana_: Seen GtkHTML?07:29
kalikiana_Pumpernickel, You mean using it for rendering or something else?07:30
biousersure, kalikiana_, I'm going to try to be around fairly regularly... this is my first time07:30
biouserhow's Germany?07:31
kalikiana_biouser, I like to put the most important channels in the autojoin list. Maybe that's a first "trick" you could try.07:31
Pumpernickelkalikiana_: Just that recently it's based off Webkit.07:32
kalikiana_Germany in general is nice. Bonn, where I live is an awesome city. Politics is evil atm.07:33
maxamillionkalikiana_: politics is generally evil :/07:33
maxamillionbiouser: atm = at the moment07:34
kalikiana_Pumpernickel, I do not know of actual work being done there. So any link? What did he/they do?07:34
TheSheepPumpernickel: they work on gtkhtml again?07:35
TheSheepI've seen it listed as a proposition for SoC07:35
kalikiana_biouser, maxamillion: Yesterday polititians made a concept of logging any internet activity related to German users, from the providers side, so that everybody and everything will be tracked. *arg07:36
TheSheepkalikiana_: that's undoable :)07:36
PumpernickelI seem to remember it from a news article awhile ago... I'll see if I can find it.07:37
TheSheepkalikiana_: how about the government virus?07:37
biouserRon Paul 200807:37
kalikiana_TheSheep, You mean the "Bundestrojaner"? It's being rigidly developed. And they seem to mean it seriously.07:38
kalikiana_TheSheep, Since much will come from the isp's site, it's not "undoable".07:38
TheSheepkalikiana_: do you know how much data it is?07:39
kalikiana_By the way that's not only a German problem ;)07:39
TheSheepkalikiana_: sure, you can filter in real time and look for specific things, but you can't really store more than several days of logs07:39
kalikiana_TheSheep, ip addresses, time of connect/ disconnect, mail server activity, mail subjects...07:40
TheSheepkalikiana_: that's logged anyways (except the mail subjects maybe, just message ids)07:41
kalikiana_TheSheep, They say 80 days. And they don't care since providers will have to do it.07:41
PumpernickelOkay, I wasn't remembering it correctly... http://gtk-webcore.sourceforge.net/07:41
kalikiana_TheSheep, But those information is normally not saved long-term, not accessible to 3rd parties and not including actual text/ contents.07:41
TheSheepkalikiana_: well, the basic logs that you mention are definitely doable,and I wouldn't trust any isp that doesn't keep them at least for month07:41
kalikiana_Pumpernickel, That is not exactly gtkhtml. It's a dying port of webkit. Nevertheless I'm using it currently. As soon as someone writes a C api and fixes some bugs for gdk webkit I'm going to use that.07:43
Pumpernickelkalikiana_: I realise.  Bad memory, skimmed article, and so forth.07:43
biouserwell, all, I'm going to watch a conspiracy video about the federal reserve and go to sleep, see y'all around07:44
TheSheepany non-gecko html widget for gtk is welcome07:44
kalikiana_TheSheep, So you would insit in saving that much about you? What for? Imho it's a big privacy whole, nothing else.07:44
TheSheepkalikiana_: it's not about me, it's about the inner workings of the network07:44
TheSheepkalikiana_: and it's needed when something happens07:44
kalikiana_biouser, "Enjoy" it. See you :)07:44
TheSheepkalikiana_: of course it shouldn't be public07:45
TheSheepPumpernickel: thanks for the link07:45
PumpernickelTheSheep: np o.O07:46
kalikiana_TheSheep, 1) it must not be public and 2) it's not needed to keep that for such a long time and 3) saving mail subjects is *some-oppressed-curse*07:46
TheSheepkalikiana_: mail subjects are irrelevant, it's the message ids that have to be saved07:47
TheSheepkalikiana_: then you can track spam, for example, and fine the spammers07:47
kalikiana_TheSheep, If you have any spare time, feel free to work on the gdk port of webkit ;)07:47
kalikiana_TheSheep, mail subjects are relevant. I expect mail to be encrypted. Not published.07:48
maxamillionso ... GTK+ WebCore is dead or just still in early development?07:48
kalikiana_maxamillion, It's dying and being revived. As soon as someone works on gdk webkit it'll be banished completely.07:49
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kalikiana_maxamillion, For now gtk-webcore is my testing subject, though.07:49
kalikiana_hi grazie :)07:49
maxamillionkalikiana_: ok, so gtk webkit is going to replace gtk webcore?07:50
kalikiana_maxamillion, Yes. As much code as possible is supposed to be shared. So gdk webkit is the way to go. In fact gtk-webcore is a too seperated and unmaintained fork.07:51
maxamillionah, ok07:52
TheSheepkalikiana_: how good is webcore now, what do you think?07:52
TheSheepkalikiana_: in terms of completeness and stability07:53
maxamillionkalikiana_: wait ... so webkit is done by apple?07:53
kalikiana_TheSheep, gtk-webcore is "working" but incomplete. You could not create a full browser around it but possibly a feed reader.07:53
kalikiana_maxamillion, webkit is mainly apple's child nowasays. But they don't work on the gdk port.07:54
maxamillionah, ok07:54
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LoneShadowhi, how do I access the xubuntu-artwork after installing the package ?07:55
kalikiana_maxamillion, So eventually webkit will use a common renderer code (==mostly apple) and have some gtk features around it (not apple).07:55
maxamillionkalikiana_: ahhh ok07:56
maxamillionLoneShadow: should be in /usr/share/xubuntu-artwork/ if i remember correctly07:56
TheSheepLoneShadow: you should have new options in the various settings, like desktop backgrounds, icons, window decorations, etc.07:56
maxamillionLoneShadow: that too :)07:56
malnilionJeez, have you guys heard of Jamendo?07:57
TheSheepmalnilion: nope07:58
maxamillionkalikiana_: April 1st, 2007 at 12:04 am they announced that WebKit is shutting down07:58
malnilionMusic licensed under the Creative Commons License.07:58
LoneShadowWhen I upgraded my xubuntu from edgy to feisty, the frames around the windows went black07:58
LoneShadowlooked pretty good, now after rebooting the PC, its back to blue :(07:58
malnilionIf stuff is about as good as this first album I listened to, I'm hooked.07:59
TheSheepmalnilion: seems like cc is doing a good job of "fixing" the copyright law somewhat08:00
malnilionI think music licensed under it is getting better.08:01
LoneShadowTheSheep: where do I choose things like window decorations ?08:01
TheSheepLoneShadow: settings->window manager settings08:01
LoneShadowI see only like 5-6 images08:01
maxamillionkalikiana_: ?08:01
TheSheepLoneShadow: you can find more xfwm4 themes at http://xfce-look.org08:02
kalikiana_maxamillion, What exactly does that mean?08:03
maxamillionkalikiana_: no clue ...08:03
maxamillionkalikiana_: http://webkit.org/blog/ <-- second entry down08:04
TheSheepmaxamillion: april fools08:04
kalikiana_maxamillion, Can I counter with having talked to apple guys about - hey, that's a silly joke they posted there!08:05
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kalikiana_maxamillion, You thought they were serious?08:05
kalikiana_TheSheep, Who is RITA?08:05
maxamillionkalikiana_: wow .. i just realized they posted it on april fools day ... jeebus i fail at life08:07
TheSheepkalikiana_: Reliable Internet Troubleshooting Agent08:08
LoneShadowTheSheep: thanks08:08
TheSheepkalikiana_: just search for 'RITA RFC'08:08
kalikiana_maxamillion, Shit happens. I was close to falling for a joke about Mozilla enforcing a "tab" patent on Microsoft which they shared with Opera :)08:09
maxamillionthat would be funny08:09
TheSheepthat'd be somewhat just08:09
TheSheepin historic sense08:10
maxamillionbut it'll never happen08:12
maxamillionTheSheep: wait ... is it already "tomorrow" there? like, since we last spoke have you slept and woke up again?08:13
TheSheepmaxamillion: yes08:16
malnilionI've noticed that TheSheep is on at strange hours :)08:16
malnilion'Course I'm up at strange hours lately as wel.08:16
TheSheepmalnilion: no sir, it's not me that's strange ;)08:16
malnilionI guess you're right, lol08:16
malnilionIt is me.08:16
TheSheepit's everyone else08:16
TheSheep"everyone thiks I'm stupid, what's wrog with them?"08:17
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maxamillionTheSheep: wild08:18
maxamillionTheSheep: anyhoo ... its my turn to sleep08:18
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sunnz2How do you do the wave hand thing?09:05
kalikiana_I just type '/me waves' ;)09:06
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silyaHi all! When??? ubuntu.com is down! But xubuntu.org not :(09:11
kalikiana_silya, Please hold your breath for a moment and say again.09:12
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ceil420i all! When??? ubuntu.com is down! But xubuntu.org not :(09:12
ceil420+H <_<09:13
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silyaAs I understand ubuntu.com is down for updating info about current release (feisty), but xubuntu.org - not09:14
kalikiana_silya, These domains are not exactly related. Xubuntu may update a bit later.09:15
silyaok :)09:16
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BFTDyo all09:19
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TheSheephow to get laid with xubuntu, part 1:09:36
TheSheepW: mdadm: I'll update the initramfs, but if you need MD to boot09:36
TheSheepW: mdadm: with initramfs, you'll be screwed!09:36
TheSheepwho writes these messages? XD09:37
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kalikiana_Is there a program which can check a list of websites for updates for me? (With no news feeds, that is.)09:43
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TheSheepkalikiana_: check out specto09:49
rynoIs there some script / program that downloads html recursively from a remote location?09:50
TheSheepryno: wget09:50
rynoMaybe an option in wget?09:50
TheSheepryno: -r09:50
TheSheepryno: you also proabbly want -l<limit> and -np09:51
TheSheepryno: check man wget for details09:51
kalikiana_TheSheep, Do you have a second choice, without gnome deps?09:56
TheSheepkalikiana_: write a simple script for cron?09:56
TheSheepkalikiana_: there are urllib and diff modules for python ;)09:57
kalikiana_TheSheep, would simply checking the server's modification time work?09:58
TheSheepkalikiana_: if the server gives correct times, then yes09:58
kalikiana_TheSheep, I'm thinking about dynamic sites here..09:58
TheSheepkalikiana_: that would be very efficient, just using HEAD09:58
TheSheepkalikiana_: what kind of a dynamic site doesn't provide feeds?09:59
kalikiana_TheSheep, I did not look at every single site so closely10:00
kalikiana_TheSheep, but maybe I should just try it :)10:01
TheSheepkalikiana_: just look at th orang icon in the location bar :)10:01
kalikiana_TheSheep, oh, you mean the *feed* icon. yeah, I'll go through the sites.10:01
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sunnz2Does anyone know if Xubuntu Feisty will have that "enable 3d dektop" bottun like in Ubuntu?10:18
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Arkhmm I don't know10:23
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Arkhbecase 3d desktop wopuld require a kinda powerful machine and xubuntu is designed for poor systems10:24
ceil420is there a way i can get the Edgy splash screen with the running mouse in the ubuntu wheel? :x10:32
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joris__Hi there Will Xubuntu 7.04 be released today?10:37
ceil420heh my poor little computer doesn't like it when i turn on transparency stuph :x10:38
ceil420(I don't see anything about 3D in the Xfce Settings Manager, tho)10:38
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Arkhjoris__, I hope so10:40
joris__Im just about to install a computer....10:41
joris__so i hope itt will not take too long10:42
Arkhthe ubuntu homepage is getting hammered10:42
joris__But feisty is not released yet. am i right?10:43
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atarinoxso it's releasing later this afternoon?10:45
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crimsunit releases when it's ready, meaning all the primary mirrors are synced up.10:45
TheSheepceil420: xfce doesn't do 3D10:48
ceil420yeh, but i figured i'd look since someone asked about it10:49
joris__If the site is allready hammered bittorent seems the best option, later this afternoon...10:49
joris__j/ #Ubuntu10:51
kalikiana_ceil420, Actually xfce can do compositing if it's available10:53
kalikiana_ceil420, But it is not really fast at this time10:53
ceil420kalikiana_, if you're on about the opacity, that's what i just tried, but it lagged me hardcore :x10:53
Arkhwhat are your specs, ceil420 ?10:54
ceil420SysInfo: uname: Linux 2.6.20-15-generic Distro: ID=Ubuntu RELEASE=7.04 CODENAME=feisty DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 7.04" CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.70GHz 1695.117 MHz Bogomips: 3393.6 Mem: 268/503M [||||||||||]  Diskspace: 91.34G Free: 70.74G Uptime: 8 hrs 28 mins 49 secs Load: 0.74 0.95 0.99  Procs: 85 Graphic: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200]  (rev a1) Screen: 1280x1024 (32 bpp) Netinfo: eth010:54
ceil420: In: 47.04M Out: 7.25M10:54
TheSheepceil420: enable compositing in your xorg10:54
kalikiana_ceil420, Yeah, I mean the last page of the "window manager tweaks". It's somewhat lame.10:54
TheSheepceil420: and use the nvidia drivers10:54
TheSheepkalikiana_: it's lightning fast on nvidia cards10:55
kalikiana_Someone suggested with a more recent Xorg performance will improve.10:55
ceil420TheSheep, i don't really want translucency, i was just playin' with it10:55
ceil420as long as Xfce can handle my regular themes, i'm alright :p10:55
kalikiana_TheSheep, That I cannot verify for I am using the free radeon driver. :)10:56
Arkhceil420, it is impossible that your hardware lags10:56
TheSheepceil420: compositing will also push some work on your gpu, so you should expect an overal improvement10:56
ceil420then there's a messed up setting somewhere or something, cos i set "moving window" or whatever to about 80% opacity and moved a window and it was very slow10:56
kalikiana_Does anybody by chance know if coming Xorg versions will improve compositing?10:56
TheSheepceil420: you need the proprietary drivers for the acceleration to work10:57
ceil420how do i get those?10:57
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto10:57
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kalikiana_ceil420, Disable opacity for moving and inactive windows, then it's way faster - so you still have opacity for programs.10:57
graziethat's me10:58
TheSheepceil420: basically, apt-get install nvidia-glx linux-restricted-modules-<your kernel here>10:58
ceil420that's a long package name10:59
TheSheepthese are two packages10:59
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ceil420"kernel" being 2.6.20-15-generic or 2.6.20-15 or what?10:59
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TheSheep2.6.20-15-generic in your case11:01
ceil420E: Couldn't find package apt-get11:01
TheSheepapt-get is a command11:02
ceil420oh lol11:02
ceil420my bad11:02
ceil420yeah, i typed out apt-get install out of habit, then pasted your line, including apt-get install again11:02
grazieceil420: synpatic is a useful tool for searching on packages11:02
TheSheepapt-cache search is even more so11:02
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ceil420The following packages will be REMOVED:11:02
ceil420  nvidia-glx-new11:02
ceil420The following NEW packages will be installed:11:02
ceil420  nvidia-glx11:02
ceil420do i want to continue? :o11:02
ceil420i wouldn't even ask, except i'm not used to replacing -new with 'not new'11:03
TheSheepno idea what nvidia-glx-new is O.o11:04
TheSheep!nfo nvidia-glx-new11:10
TheSheep!info nvidia-glx-new11:10
ubotuPackage nvidia-glx-new does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas11:10
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TheSheepI hope that won't break something :P11:10
ceil420me too <_<11:10
TheSheepyou used some automatix or something like that?11:10
ceil420well i can still see stuff :p11:10
ceil420only thing i can think of is it mysteriously came with Beryl or something when i tried that out11:10
ceil420but i don't remember specifically upgrading nvidia drivers11:10
TheSheepceil420: you tried beryl and it worked?11:10
TheSheepceil420: then you already have the right drivers11:10
TheSheepyes, they came with beryl11:10
ceil420i didn't say it worked -_-11:10
ceil420hence, "tried" :x11:10
TheSheepah, install also nvidia-xconfig and run it from a text console11:10
ceil420The following packages will be REMOVED:11:10
ceil420  nvidia-glx11:10
ceil420The following NEW packages will be installed:11:10
ceil420  nvidia-xconfig11:10
ceil420didn't i just install nvidia-glx? :o11:10
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TheSheepok, forget nvidia-xconfig, just edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf by hand :)11:11
ceil420oh that file :x i knew that sounded familiar11:11
ceil420what do i do to it?11:11
TheSheepfind a line that says 'driver "nv"' and replace it with 'driver "nvidia"'11:12
ceil420i just changed that from "nvidia" to "nv" yesterday :p11:13
ceil420i forget why, but i think it was related to the Beryl problem i was having11:13
ceil420what's the difference between 'nv' and 'nvidia'?11:14
TheSheepwell, you need "nvidia" to run beryl too11:14
TheSheepnv is the open source driver written by the linux devs11:14
TheSheepnvidia is a proprietary, closed-source, binary driver offered by nvidia itself11:14
=== ceil420 isn't all that interested in Beryl anymore :o
TheSheepit's less stable, takes more memory, but supports hardware acceleration11:15
ceil420and that means Opacity won't slow me down?11:15
ceil420(as much)11:15
ceil420or "Compositing", whatever it's called11:15
TheSheepthe whole desktop will be faster than now (even with opacity enabled)11:16
TheSheepand all the 3d games like quake wll be working11:16
ceil420i've been thinking of installing quake lately :p if Wine can take it :x11:20
ceil420and "Opacity of windows during move" even nicked down a little bit is still much laggy, but almost nothing with just "Window decorations"11:20
ceil420which makes my panel look nice11:20
TheSheepceil420: there is a linux native binary for quake11:21
ceil420what, free?11:22
TheSheepceil420: binary is free, game data must be copied from your quake cd11:22
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ceil420i suppose id has a how-to on their site somewhere?11:22
ceil420(i'm too busy to do it now)11:22
ceil420(i also hope my quake CD still reads -_- my Ultimate Doom cd doesn't ;x)11:23
TheSheepceil420: the binaries for quake and quake2 are in the ubuntu repos11:23
ceil420that's handy :p11:23
TheSheepceil420: there are also binaries for doom, by the way11:23
ceil420but i can't get the doom data with the CD not reading ><11:24
TheSheeplots of free data for doom around :)11:24
ceil420yeah, i vaguely remember seeing a site with a lot of different doom mods and whatnot :p11:26
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TheSheepceil420: there is a number of nice native linux games, may of them free11:27
TheSheepceil420: most shooters are multiplayer only, though11:27
ceil420is there a site with a list or something?11:28
TheSheepI think there are quite a few such sites11:28
TheSheepjust google for linux games11:28
ceil420i've gone over the Games in Add/Remove a coupla times, but there's not many games i wanna download based on a short paragraph :p11:28
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TheSheepthere are also some commercial games for linux, and linux versions of windows games11:29
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ceil420yeah, i know there's UT for linux and such11:30
ceil420i wish the Feisty Xubuntu still had the 'mouse wheel' splash screen :(11:36
j1mcceil420, it's available, you just have to select it.11:38
ceil420j1mc, i don't see it...11:38
ceil420"None", "Balou", "Mice", "Simple"11:39
j1mcoh, wait . . . i don't see it, either.11:39
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ceil420that was my favourite one ><11:39
j1mci wonder why that was removed.  who uses "simple"?11:39
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=== kalikiana_ does not use 'simple'. That's an ugly one.
=== kalikiana_ uses 'Mice'.
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=== ceil420 would prefer the wheel one, tho :(
TheSheepI used to have a screenshot of my desktop as the splash screen, but it was a bit confusing :)11:44
kalikiana_ceil420, The "wheel" being 'Xubuntu'?11:46
ceil420i can't remember what it was called; i set it the day i got Edgy and never changed it11:47
ceil420but the mouse was running inside the Xubuntu 'wheel' logo thing11:47
=== kalikiana_ always knew TheSheep is a bit crazy. A screenshot as a splash screen? :P
kalikiana_ceil420, Sounds like it. Strange that they took it out.11:47
ceil420yeah :x11:48
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about wesnoth - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi12:30
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about liferea - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi12:30
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sunnz2Well there are people with high end computer but like the simiplicity of Xfce4 right?12:42
j1mcsunnz2, heck yes.12:43
sunnz2So there must be people on Xubuntu who loves to use XGL/AiGLX right?12:44
sunnz2I mean, all you need is a graphics card for it....12:44
j1mcyes.  :)  it works.12:45
WaterSevenUbXubuntu ISO's are released today?12:50
j1mcWaterSevenUb, they will be.  check out #ubuntu-release-party, if you dare.  :)  there's a lot of traffic in there.  :)12:52
WaterSevenUbj1mc, yeah, madness :-) thanks.12:52
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eirikbarxubuntu torrent? where?02:49
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kalikianaeirikbar, Please try to use complete sentences. ;) You should look on (x)ubuntu.org I suggest.02:53
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frandavid100is the topic right? is xubuntu 7.04 out?03:00
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Bad_SeedBeta. Final is not out yet03:01
frandavid100oh. is it due today?03:01
Bad_SeedI don't know. But I hope so :-)03:02
frandavid100let's cross our fingers!03:02
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william_In Xubuntu how do i change my sreen resolution ?03:05
Bad_SeedI'm trying to get into http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/ to see if it's already out but the site is almost dead :-/03:05
frandavid100could someone give me a link to the beta bittorrent? the downloads page seems not to be working03:05
frandavid100by the way, a stupid question I've been meaning to ask since last week03:06
Qewwilliam_: left-click on desktop, Settings>Display Settings03:06
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frandavid100how do you access samba shares in xubuntu?03:07
william_Qew: ta03:07
frandavid100in ubuntu you just gotta go to places  network, but I haven't found the way in xubuntu03:07
william_Qew: you mean right click ?03:08
Qewnext time, I'll label my hands "left" and "right" ;)03:09
william_Qew: I see no way to change 800/600 to 1024/76803:11
Qewis it currently on default?03:11
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william_Qew: yes... and there are no other selections03:12
Qewwilliam_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto03:12
Qewgo through that03:13
william_Qew: ok..ta.03:13
michaelpois grazie here?03:17
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Bad_Seedfrandavid100: http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/feisty/release/desktop/03:20
Bad_Seed(Don't know if it's the final version)03:20
tonyyarussoBad_Seed: it's not.  #ubuntu-release-party03:22
tonyyarussoUbuntu 7.04 is not yet out. Please don't ask when it'll be released, we don't know either.  Don't post links to servers until there's an announcement.03:22
frandavid100thanks Bad_Seed (even if it's the beta)03:22
tonyyarussoAt this point it could be anything, or just broken03:25
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michaelpograzie: hi03:28
michaelpoi've installed xubuntu in the harddisk and transferred it into p2 laptop...03:29
michaelpograzie: x could not start...03:30
michaelpograzie: Failed to start the X server (graphical interface). It is likely that it is not set up correctly. Would you like to view the X server output to diagnose the problem?03:31
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william_Qew: I hosed my xserver with that howto but 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg' fixed it up ok.03:42
Qewah, good to know you found a way03:44
Merchelomichaelpo: it's best to do a clean install of xubuntu onto the laptop itself, rather than installing it on a seperate machine, then transferring the HD's, as it would have picked up the first machines spec, and used those, to try and work on your laptop.03:44
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graziemichaelpo: hi....shouldn't take long to sort out03:47
graziegrazie: bit busy at the moment... but let's get started03:47
graziemichaelpo: ^^03:47
graziemichaelpo: do you know what video card? "lspci | grep -i vga" if not03:48
graziemichaelpo: sorry....first can you get a virtual console with alt+ctl+f1?03:49
graziemichaelpo: if not reboot using recovery mode03:50
michaelpoi dont know what video card i have...03:50
michaelpoafter the splash screen... it gives the error message....03:50
graziemichaelpo: can you get a virtual console with alt+ctl+f1?03:51
michaelponono... not after... it is during the bootup time....03:51
michaelpoi cannot get virtual console....03:51
graziemichaelpo: reboot using recovery mode03:51
michaelpohow do i get recovery mode?03:51
graziemichaelpo: isn't it in the grub boot menu?03:52
michaelpothe error message asked yes or not to view x server output...03:52
michaelpoboot menu? nope... it is halfway booting up...03:52
michaelpoholdon... i did a ctrl-alt-f2...03:53
graziemichaelpo: yeah that error standard...no point looking at the details yet.03:53
michaelpoit is in the command login screem....03:53
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michaelpothe thing is, my p4 has a ati radeon card.... the old p2 has dont know what... intel maybe....03:54
michaelpoor acer video?03:54
michaelpook... logged in...03:54
michaelpoi'm in terminal03:54
graziemichaelpo: we can sort it. just follow the instructrions03:54
graziemichaelpo: enter "lspci | grep -i vga"03:55
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michaelpoi cannot type |  i can only get \03:55
graziemichaelpo: was does "lspci | grep -i vga" return?03:56
michaelpoi cannot type | , i can only type \03:56
michaelposhift+\ = \03:56
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graziemichaelpo: what country are you?03:56
graziethat a new one for me :)03:57
michaelpoi mean... the keyboard did not return | when i type shift\03:57
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michaelpook... i type lspci03:57
michaelpofiltering vga gives03:58
grazieok just enter "lspci" then and look for the line with VGA03:58
michaelpolooking for vga03:58
TheSheeplscpi | grep VGA03:58
michaelpo01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Trident Microsystems Cyber 9525 (rev 49)03:58
TheSheepyay! trident! \o/03:59
=== grazie not again!
anegohi, when is the updatemanager expected to show xubuntu 7.04?03:59
graziemichaelpo: we'll use vesa for now03:59
michaelpotrident sucks?03:59
grazieTheSheep: can you take over?03:59
=== grazie a bit busy right now
michaelpograzie, thanks...04:00
michaelpograzie, sorry to interupt04:00
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graziemichaelpo: yeah just using vesa until we've sorted a bit more out04:00
michaelpook... how do i use vesa?04:01
graziemichaelpo: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf...."sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.congf"04:01
graziemichaelpo: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf...."sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf"04:01
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graziemichaelpo: ignore the first error!04:02
graziemichaelpo: you don't understand something?04:02
michaelpoi type the whole command? edit till congf?04:02
graziemichaelpo: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf04:03
michaelpothere is .... ?04:03
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michaelpoit is blank04:03
=== grazie i'll be back in a bit
michaelpook.. later...04:04
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TheSheepgrazie: sorry, was afk :(04:05
michaelpooh crap04:05
michaelpomy shift key is not working??04:05
TheSheepmichaelpo: left or right?04:05
michaelpoboth left and right04:05
Slickhey guys, I'm trying to play a VCD in xubuntu, but can't find any programs which will do the job, the closest I've got is using xine movie player, which will play the images but not audio, it also states that the audio codec: MPEG layer 2/3 is unsupported04:06
Slickdoes anyone have any suggestions for other software or how to install the audio codec?04:06
j1mcSlick: not sure, but maybe try VLC?04:07
TheSheepSlick: vlc should work fine04:07
SlickI tried VLC first and that doesn't show either the video or the sound04:08
TheSheepSlick: you also might install libxine-extracodecs04:08
TheSheep!codecs | Slick04:08
ubotuSlick: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats04:08
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graziemichaelpo: I'm back04:10
michaelpograzie: both my shift keys are not working04:11
michaelpoi cant get X11.. i only get x1104:11
graziemichaelpo: you must have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, otherwise you wouldn't be getting that error04:11
albertslick: did you install extra codecs?04:11
graziemichaelpo: does caps lock work?04:12
michaelpograzie: yes i have X11 folder....04:12
Slickalbert: I'm just doing it atm04:12
michaelpograzie: caps lock dont work too...04:12
albertstick: ok, you'll be fine then04:12
graziemichaelpo: erm...how do we sort this one?04:13
graziemichaelpo: you have another machine with linux that works?04:13
michaelpoyes... this one here...04:13
somerville32Omgz, things are crazy04:13
tonyyarussosomerville32: noticed eh?04:14
graziemichaelpo: i thought you installed linux on the hd with another machine?04:14
michaelpograzie: correct....04:14
michaelpoi've got one p2, which i'm trying to install xubuntu on and one p4, which is this one...04:15
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graziemichaelpo: does the p4 have a version a linux installed that works?04:15
michaelpoi installed xubuntu on the p4, transferred the harddisk to p2...04:15
michaelpothe p4 is on linux... linuxmint2.104:16
michaelposcream? why?04:16
michaelpolinuxmint2.2 i think....04:16
michaelpograzie: i think we need to get the keyboard sorted out as well?04:17
graziemichaelpo: both malaysian machines/ (talking keyboards here)04:17
michaelpomalaysian keyboard?04:17
graziemichaelpo: yes04:18
michaelpoi think the keyboards are international....04:18
michaelpoi'm on US keyboard i think... there are no japanese, chinese, korean, indian, russian, greek, thai characters here04:18
graziemichaelpo: yes we need to sort the keyboard yes, but I don't understand why you didn't a get a malaysian config when you installed04:19
graziemichaelpo: we'll keyboard to us then04:19
graziewe'll set*04:19
michaelpoi did set it to us...04:19
graziethen the keyboard mustn't be us04:20
michaelpomaybe it is 10 years old us keyboard?04:20
SlickTheSheep: I keep getting errors such as Package libxine-extracodecs is not available, but is referred to by another package.04:20
SlickThis may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or04:20
Slickis only available from another source04:20
michaelpograzie, do you think i should take out the harddisk, and edit the x11 file on this p4 machine?04:21
graziemichaelpo: computer keyboards have been pretty stand for a long time04:21
graziemichaelpo: that may the easiest solution04:21
michaelpook hold on...04:21
graziemay be*04:21
michaelpoi poweroff?04:21
graziemichaelpo: yes, of course04:22
=== grazie be back later (again)
michaelposudo shutdown now?04:22
graziesudo shutdown -h now04:22
michaelpothen poweroff?04:23
graziethat will04:23
michaelpoyup.. it did...04:23
michaelpohold on... i'll unscrew now...04:23
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ubotuFEISTY IS OUT! Party in #ubuntu-release-party04:24
Bad_SeedFeisty is finally out according to #ubuntu-release-party :D04:24
Bad_SeedYou beat me :(04:24
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anegowill the update be available by update-manager this time?04:26
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Howdy125Slick, maybe this will help .. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu04:26
anegosounds like it's a good idea not to ask when :D04:26
j1mcBad_Seed: i beat you by one second.  :-P04:29
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SlickHowdy125: Thanks I'm giving it a go04:31
Howdy125Slick, yw . gl04:32
michaelpograzie: i've got the p2 harddisk connected04:33
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michaelpograzie, i got xorg.conf open with gedit04:34
jdthx for the release dudes04:35
bao_gonganyone know where we can find xubuntu feisty torrents?04:35
anegoyeah, thanks a lot =)04:36
jdnope sorry, as far as i'm concerned i wait for the website to be ok ^^04:37
graziemichaelpo: great! You installed ubuntu?04:38
somerville32Woot! :)04:38
jdwould be great to reach the torents ^^04:38
michaelpograzie: i'm currently on my p4 with linuxmint2.2... i've connected the p2 harddisk using usb cable...04:39
somerville32I'm working on it guys04:39
michaelpograzie: i've got the p2 harddisk installed with xubuntu 7.04beta04:39
The-Dochello, where to get xubuntu 7.04 torrent ? i only see the beta in the website :s04:40
somerville32The-Doc, We're working on it :)04:40
PumpernickelThe-Doc: It's being updated, check back in a bit.04:40
graziemichaelpo: so have you booted the p2 hd on the p4?04:40
somerville32There she be04:40
The-Docoh ok ^^04:41
The-Docthanks :)04:41
michaelpograzie, i booted p4 with linuxmint2.2 .... i've got p2 harddisk connected with a ide-usb cable....04:41
somerville32Xubuntu 7.04 Torrents for Live Cd and Alternative can be found here: http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/feisty/release/04:41
graziemichaelpo: have you ever booted the p2 hd on the p4?04:42
michaelpograzie: you know, like internal harddisk using external casing...04:42
graziemichaelpo: I need to know whether the p2 hd has got a good install04:43
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graziemichaelpo: can the p4 boot from a usb drive?04:43
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tonyyarussoPumpernickel: put the i386 torrent in the topic, people can adjust it if needed04:44
PumpernickelMaybe I'll tinyurl it...04:44
Pumpernickeltonyyarusso: Alternate or desktop?04:44
michaelpograzie: yes, i installed xubuntu on the p2 harddisk on the p4 machine... then i booted it up on the p4 machine....04:45
tonyyarussoPumpernickel: desktop probably, or {alternate,desktop}, but then no copy-paste...04:45
tonyyarussodarn topic limits04:45
graziemichaelpo: did you say the p2 is a laptop?04:45
michaelpograzie, both p2 and p4 are laptops....04:45
bao_gongthanks Pumpernickel! cant wait to get a taste of feisty!04:46
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graziemichaelpo: lets edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf as before then. you'll need to mount the p2 hd first04:47
jd_thx a lot !04:47
michaelpograzie, my p4 cannot do usb boot... but after i installed p2 harddisk, i've booted it up on the p4 machine...04:47
Slicknow xine movie player is freezing and I'm getting the error 'no MRL'04:48
michaelpograzie, my p2 harddisk is mounted on my p4 machine... via usb cable....04:48
graziemichaelpo: ok. let's just edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf. you'll need to mount the p2 hd first04:48
graziemichaelpo: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf.04:48
michaelpograzie, ive got the xorg.conf file open using gedit04:49
graziegrazie: replace ati with vesa04:49
graziemichaelpo: ^^04:49
michaelpowhere is the ati?04:49
graziemichaelpo: the should be a line ... Driver         "ati"04:51
graziethere should*04:51
graziein Section "Device"04:51
michaelpograzie, i've private message the file04:52
michaelpograzie, i've private message you part of the file that has ati in it04:52
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graziemichaelpo: pastebin is better04:52
grazie!paste | michaelpo04:52
ubotumichaelpo: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)04:52
graziemichaelpo: for future reference :)04:53
graziemichaelpo: make backup of /etc/X11/xorg.conf first04:53
michaelpopastebin? ok.. future... thanks.. so i just change the driver to "vesa" only? how about the other ati entries...?04:53
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michaelpoi need sudo access....04:54
Slickhey guys, thanks for the help my VCD is now playing, I installed all the codecs you suggested, which made xine freeze up at first, but after a restart its working now =)04:54
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graziemichaelpo: yes04:54
graziemichaelpo: cd /etc/X1104:55
graziemichaelpo: sudo cp xorg.conf  xorg.conf.backup04:55
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tictacaddictI installed xubuntu edgy for some friends and I want to upgrade them to fiesty, what program should I use for that?  and have there been any upgrade issues like with dapper to edgy?04:58
Howdy125yw Slick04:58
graziemichaelpo: does the p2 keyboard work with any OS? That that shift key not working is possibly a keyboard failure04:58
Howdy125tictacaddict, I've had trouble upgrading .. thats about all I can say about it.04:59
michaelpograzie, the p2 works with win98, win2000, damnsmalllinux....04:59
michaelpograzie, the p2 keyboard works with win98, win2000, damnsmalllinux....05:00
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graziemichaelpo: are you going to put hd back in machine?05:01
NullbyteHay guyz05:01
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NullbyteIs Xubuntu 7.04 out yet?05:01
michaelpowait... i'm trying... to get su gedit command to work....05:01
tonyyarussoNullbyte: yes05:01
graziemichaelpo: no05:01
tonyyarussosee /topic05:01
graziemichaelpo: sudo gedit xorg.conf05:02
michaelpoi cannot save as im not root...05:02
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michaelpook.. done...05:06
sunnz2Ahhh now xubuntu is down too?05:06
michaelpoi'm putting the p2 harddisk back into the p2 now... holdon while i screw it...05:06
tictacaddictHowdy125: what method did you try?05:06
tictacaddictI am probably going to try an upgrade from the cd05:06
Howdy125tictacaddict, gksudo "update-manager" -c -d05:07
graziemichaelpo: when you boot X it probably still fail, but we can sort it. Still not sure how to fix the keyboard problem though05:08
tictacaddictHowdy125: what happened for you?  (and what are the -c and -d options?)05:08
michaelpograzie... ok05:09
Howdy125Those options check for a new release I believe .. like form 6.06 to 6.60 to 7.04 .. tictacaddict05:10
Howdy1256.60 = 6.10 .. grrr05:11
michaelpograzie: it works... i just logged into X05:11
Howdy125And I forget what the errors were tictacaddict  .. were alot of them so I just installed 7.04 from scratch05:11
TheSheepSlick: you're still there? you must probably enable the universe and multiverse repositories05:12
tictacaddictalright, well for now I'm just downloading the alternate install cd, I'll try that first05:12
tictacaddictif I have problems I may stop by here : )05:12
tictacaddictthanks for the info Howdy12505:12
Howdy125tictacaddict,  yw .. gl05:13
graziemichaelpo: great! what about the keyboard?05:13
j1mcw00t xubuntu!!!!  =)05:14
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michaelpograzie: starting abiword05:14
michaelpograzie: keyboard works... but shiftkey still broken...05:14
graziethat's very odd05:15
michaelpodo i go settings to fix the keyboard?05:15
michaelpoi see a keyboard settings...05:15
graziemichaelpo: if it's feisty maybe you can (not sure)05:16
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michaelpoit way 105 key... i selected 101.. still not working...05:17
graziemichaelpo: you may be best googling for your p2 model05:18
michaelpoi've googled... nothing...05:18
michaelpocapslock works with 102keys05:18
graziemichaelpo: what model?05:18
graziemichaelpo: and make of course?05:18
graziemichaelpo: well seem like you're getting somewhere05:19
michaelpoacer travelmate 331t p205:19
michaelpoacer travelmate 331t05:19
michaelpohold on... caps do work in 105 as well while in X... but not in terminal?05:20
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graziemichaelpo: you'll need "install-keymap" for the terminal and edit xorg.conf for X05:24
graziemichaelpo: but you need to find out the setting for that machine first05:24
michaelpograzie: what machine setting? keyboard setting?05:25
michaelpoi just tried the screen resolution, it hang.... i've rebooted.. and back in x now...05:25
SlickTheSheep: its working now thanks05:26
michaelpograzie: its 1130pm here now... i better get some sleep....05:29
michaelpograzie: i'll try to fix the rest of the stuff another night.... thanks...05:29
michaelpograzie: i'm going now...05:35
michaelpobyebye... thanks...05:35
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WaterSevenUbHi. I decided to give a try to Xubuntu but... display looks terrible :-/ I've used restricted drivers to install ATI drivers for Radeon 9600... but I can't set the resolution higher than 800x600, when it should be 1400x1050. Then, I had to blacklist bcm43xx since it was giving error loading in the boot. I've also had to change /etc/fstab not to check the hard drives since it was taking forever the startup. Then I uninstalled ATI Radeon drivers 06:07
WaterSevenUbNow, my display is looking terrible... very small fonts.06:08
WaterSevenUbAnd kind of blurry.06:08
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto06:08
WaterSevenUbMerchelo, so what's the point of the new tool in the menu? :)06:09
Merchelodid you install the ATI specific driver06:10
Merchelohold on, i'll get the name now06:10
WaterSevenUbMerchelo, I have used the Restricted Drivers Manager ....06:10
WaterSevenUbAnyway, even without 3D I should be able to set screen resolution to higher than 800x600...06:11
NullbyteTry editing your xorg.conf?`06:12
Merchelo!google fglrx install06:18
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WaterSevenUbThank you.06:19
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GhostTraxanybody know the best method of installing xubuntu on a thumbdrive06:31
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sn-GhostTrax there is information on the wiki.ubuntu.com page if you search, for usb based livecd :)06:32
Catoptromancy_Anyone try installing ndiswrapper?06:40
Catoptromancy_$ fakeroot debian/rules binary-modules06:40
Catoptromancy_ok what is debain/rules?06:40
Catoptromancy_I assume I need to type something else....06:40
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glanzHave it installed. It is perfect! Thanks everyone!06:50
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somerville32Woot! :D06:51
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glanzI have 10 installs going on older machines for the "poorer among us"06:52
Lebowski_is there a way ot convert latest ubuntu installation into Xubuntu or should I just dl the xubuntu image06:53
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glanzI did a "conversion" once by checking all that "xubuntu-desktop" installs06:54
Lebowski_work smoothly?06:55
glanz...then deleting/purging GNOME after reboot.06:55
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glanzYes worked smoothly for me.06:55
glanzI recommend using synaptic and choosing the "uninstall w. configs" options.06:56
glanzIt leaves cruft for GNOME stuff that doesn't automatically get deleted but06:56
glanzsynaptic will take care of that later under the "auto uninstallable" option or something like that06:57
ubotuFor upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes06:57
glanzMake sure your system is udated before doing this06:57
hyper_chhiho somerville3206:57
somerville32Hiya :)06:57
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hyper_chxubi feisty is also out?06:58
Lebowski_anyone try the powerpc versions yet?  they stable?06:58
Mercheloi was just thinking of doing that today, but Z Spec got in the way.06:59
grazieLebowski_: ppc was broken a few days ago....as it's not officially supported I doubt it'll be fixed yet06:59
graziehyper_ch: hi...yes07:00
hyper_chcool :)07:00
hyper_chthe site is down :)07:00
hyper_chor not reacting :)07:00
hyper_chpeople use torrent instead :(07:00
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graziehyper_ch: torrent is ideal solution for this situation07:01
hyper_chgrazie: I know07:04
hyper_chbut more people should use it07:04
graziemaybe we should be trying to educate more of them07:06
hyper_chwell, a buddy of mine wanted to download yesterday the beta so that he can just update to him07:06
hyper_chI told him to wait and then use torrent07:06
hyper_chand he was somewhat weird with regard to torrent.. think it's full of virii and stuff07:06
graziei dunno....it may a good idea to release a torrent first in future and the provision that downloaders must also seed07:08
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hyper_chgrazie: btw, did you have any upgrades today?07:14
graziehyper_ch: ppc was broken....not checked again07:15
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Prodocgood evenin07:29
hyper_chhiho Prodoc07:29
hyper_chgrazie: I just do the perfect howto for debian etch for ISPConfig :) I run it in a vmware console and I use the normal shell to ssh into the vmware etch server :)07:30
Prodocjust a quick question just in case... when I want to upgrage xubuntu to 7.04 using the update manager, I get to see 'Welcome to Ubuntu 7.04'. Is this just s minor glitch or will it actually install ubuntu with e.g. gnome?07:31
hyper_chProdoc: I guess that is just a glitch07:32
grazieProdoc: ubuntu, xubuntu (and maybe kubuntu) share the update manager package and the same package repos07:34
graziehyper_ch: Am I supposed to guess?07:34
hyper_chgrazie: nah, I just think it's funny because I run Etch in a "terminal" but use another terminal to ssh into :)07:35
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Prodochyper_ch, grazie: (sorry for the delay, forgot my pizza int he over) thanks, I'll give it a go than07:51
hyper_chI don't mind getting some :)07:51
Prodoctoo late ;-)07:52
Prodocgone already07:52
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ProdocI'll save a piece for you next time ;-)07:53
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hyper_chProdoc: do you have /home on a seperate partition?07:53
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_aussiemanwhy doesnt gxine work when i am not connected to a network?07:54
Prodochyper_ch: nope, just a default structure when installing xubuntu07:55
hyper_chProdoc: it's good to have it on its own partition :)07:55
grazie_aussieman: very odd...start gxine in a terminal and see if you get a helpful error message07:55
Prodochow come?07:55
hyper_chbecause your settings and config files for programs are stored there07:56
_aussiemanyes i did it was something about network config07:56
_aussiemanim ovbviously connected now and it works07:56
Will^Dravenwell, the update manager hs borked up, guess i'm downloading an iso and doing my upgrade the hard way07:56
_aussiemannext time i go offline ill do it and save the emssage and let you know07:56
hyper_chso if you ever want to resetup the system you don't touch the /home partition and just do a reinstall of the software and your computer is new but the same as the old oner :)07:56
Prodocaha, I guess there's no easy way to changed that now?07:57
hyper_chWill^Draven: I'm sceptical about upgrades... I have my own /home partition and then I install a clean system :)07:57
hyper_chProdoc: have you used the command line?07:57
Cinnanderdoes the update manager "upgrade to 7.04" just do a apt-get dist-upgrade?07:57
Prodochyper_ch: to some degree yes07:57
hyper_chthen it's not that difficult07:58
hyper_chCinnander: not quite... it first sets the sources.list to feisty and then it will do the same as dist-upgrade07:59
grazieCinnander: update manager has its own interface to apt (not apt-get), so it's done in a slightly different way07:59
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hyper_chProdoc: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/separatehome08:00
hyper_chProdoc: that would be how to do it08:00
Prodocah, cheers08:00
=== grazie psychocat's articles are well written
ProdocI have to wait with the update anyway since the servers seem to be overloaded08:01
=== grazie what a surprise !
hyper_chProdoc: yeppa... you'd be quicker resizing your partition, setup /home as seperate partition, fetch the iso through torrent and reinstall the system with feisty *smile*08:01
ProdocI guess it's a very good sign08:01
hyper_chok, probably not quite true :)08:02
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Prodochyper_ch: don't think so spend quite some time getting postgres, apache-perl and the hole lot up and running and don't want to go through that again when I don't have to ;-)08:03
Will^Dravenonly thing i'll really lose if i absolutely have to completely wipe my main drive is a couple of movies08:03
hyper_chProdoc: you could have had it the simple way *g*08:03
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Will^Dravenand ive already watched them all anyways'08:03
Prodochyper_ch: I always take to hard way ;-)08:04
Prodockeeps me 'alert' :-D08:05
hyper_chProdoc: hard and simple don't exclude each other :)08:05
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=== Prodoc got to scoop again, forgot dessert
Prodocthanks for the info08:07
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hyper_chdessert .... tiramisu?08:08
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kmahmm.. xubuntu mirrors?08:16
somerville32kma, Have you tried torrents yet?08:17
kmasomerville32: trying :)08:17
hyper_chkma: torrents aren't quick?08:17
kmacan't get the .torrent file :\08:17
Mercheloeasiest way to dist-upgrade?08:18
hyper_chkma: http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/feisty/release/08:18
kmahyper_ch: got it now08:18
kmahyper_ch: my download for the .torrent file somehow.. stalled :\08:18
kmaat 0% :\08:18
hyper_chMerchelo: I tend to think: alter the sources.list to feisty and then sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade08:19
hyper_chkma: oh08:19
kmabut the torrent is quick.. 400kb/s and climbing08:19
Mercheloyeah, i think i'll wait for a few weeks, so the repos aren't so busy.08:19
somerville32Don't dist-upgrade08:19
somerville32Use the upgrade manager08:19
Merchelohmm, no need to chage the sources.list?08:20
hyper_chMerchelo: listen to somerville32 ^^08:20
somerville32No need to change sources.list08:20
somerville32Just run "update-manager -c"08:20
hyper_chsomerville32: why not dist-upgrade?08:21
somerville32hyper_ch, the update-manager corrects known issues and lovely stuff08:21
somerville32dist-upgrade doesn't do that kind of magic08:21
somerville32Essentially it will do a dist-upgrade08:22
hyper_chsomerville32: there are issues? ^^08:22
somerville32It'll just be smart about it.08:22
somerville32hyper_ch, Always ;] 08:22
hyper_chM$ never has issues08:22
somerville32M$ has problems08:22
kmaM$ never has problems08:23
kmaM$ just have features08:23
kmaor.. questionable features :)08:23
hyper_chespecially the brand-new power-shell08:23
kmahyper_ch: slow as hell from what I've heard :)08:24
hyper_chI thought shell access is totally outdated08:24
hyper_chat least that's what M$ has been telling for years08:24
hyper_cheverything has to be gui08:24
kmayeah :)08:24
kmabtw.. if there are any devs in this channel08:24
kma*hugs* for you guys :)08:25
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Merchelohmm, does it take a while after i hit the upgrade button?08:25
hyper_chMerchelo: very likely... I guess the servers are under heavy load08:25
=== grazie yeah well done somerville32 and the rest of the team
Merchelosomerville32: congrats, and thanks.08:26
=== grazie thinks jim has done stirling testing job too
graziesomerville32: I've had problems with update manager in the past...are these now sorted?08:27
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Merchelodo i have to babysit the upgrade?08:37
Naughtyboyanyone else expirience slow repos today ;=)) ....guess everyone is installing/updating...08:37
Merchelonah Naughtyboy, i'm getting 26b/s08:37
Naughtyboyyeah..me to...or something like that08:38
hyper_chwhy don't you just get the iso by torrent :) and install a clean system :) wouldn't that be quicker ^^08:38
Naughtyboyhyper_ch, : I just reinstalled my system...a server install then manually adding the packages from repos....thats whats slow for me08:39
hyper_chNaughtyboy: you could torrent the dvd :) shouldn't there be most stuff on it?08:39
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hyper_chhmmm, can "torrent" be used as a verb?08:41
Mercheloyes, it can08:42
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hyper_chgood :)08:43
hyper_chone day I will also make a verb that will then be used eternally be people :)08:43
hyper_chbe --> by08:44
Mercheloyeah, i was thinking of a way in which people upgraded thier systems through torrenting, instead of direct downloading from a server, people would get the upgrades off each other.08:44
graziewe're trying are best to encourage the use of torrents08:45
grazieour best*08:45
Mercheloaww, cannot connect to security.ubuntu.com :(08:45
hyper_chif you are bored you can download this presentation (link on the bottom): http://www.mindjack.com/feature/piracy051305.html08:46
grazieprolly get worse before it gets better :(08:46
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Howdy125I'm glad I got mine the other day even though it said beta .. I'm sure it's the real thing.08:49
Naughtyboyhyper_ch, : yeah sure I could have torrented the DVD..I also could have installde Vista or slackware...or mabye had 10mill on my bank account....but I decided to do this..and I like it....it wasn't nagin...just stating the fact that it is slow today..  ;=))08:58
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hyper_chNaughtyboy: if you don't want the 10mill on your bank I'll take them ;)08:58
TheSheepNaughtyboy: then what are you complainging for?08:59
Naughtyboyhahah...ypu would...wouldn' you....08:59
NaughtyboyTheSheep, : I rest my case....read my post again..08:59
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TheSheepNaughtyboy: then what are you complaining for?09:00
NaughtyboyI wasn complaining...as I said...just stating the fact....09:01
=== TheSheep goes trolling somewhere else
Naughtyboyyeah plzz..do that..09:01
TheSheepit's kind of... indecent doing it here09:02
hyper_chTheSheep: plz don't go - who is going to solve my problems if you are not here :)09:03
TheSheephyper_ch: I'ss keep solving problemz here, I'll just troll elsewhere :)09:03
hyper_chTheSheep: you don't troll :)09:03
TheSheephyper_ch: that's hwat *you* think09:04
TheSheepanyways, sorry Naughtyboy09:05
hyper_chTheSheep: I don't think :)09:05
hyper_chTheSheep: that makes life easier09:05
TheSheephyper_ch: indeed09:05
NaughtyboyTheSheep, : no worries m8... :=))09:05
TheSheepignorance is bliss09:06
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=== Howdy125 wishes he could find something to complain about but can't find anything .. ;-/
TheSheepHowdy125: how about weather?09:10
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DisabledDuckhi, how much system memory does xfce take?09:10
Howdy125I live in the pacific northwest and the sun is out .. hard to complain about that TheSheep  .. :)09:10
TheSheepDisabledDuck: it takes 68.3 megabytes on my p500 with 192M ram09:11
TheSheepDisabledDuck: I mean the whole xubuntu09:11
DisabledDucknot bad09:11
TheSheepHowdy125: you can complain that you can;t complain about weather! that's inhuman!09:11
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DisabledDucki want to run an ftp server and i'm running off of Ubuntu Server... and it's more of a pain to disable all the crap i DON'T want then to just start off small and add what i want instead09:12
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TheSheepDisabledDuck: it actually depends on how much ram you have and what programs you have started09:12
TheSheepDisabledDuck: use debian :)09:12
DisabledDuckTheSheep: lol... i was never a fan of debian based distro's till i tried ubuntu09:12
=== grazie that's funny kalikiana ... but I don't think it'll catch on
DisabledDucki'm a complete noob when it comes to setting up an ftp server over the internet, i have NO idea what i'm doing right now09:14
kalikianaDisabledDuck, Everyone has been a noob once, it's no shame doing something for the first time ;)09:15
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DisabledDuckanyone know of a good guide to set me up? i don't even know whats required to do it09:16
tinloafhi. i've got some sort of problem: during my dist-upgrade, the computer crashed, and now it "cant guess meta-package"09:17
grazieDisabledDuck: pyschocat's guides are but not sure there's an ftp one...lemme check09:17
grazieare good*09:17
tinloafi thought of installing the xubuntu-desktop meta-package via aptitude, but in this case aptitude will update a whole lot of packages, and i'm not shure wether this will break even more...09:17
TheSheepDisabledDuck: well, the fastes way to have an ftp server set up is posting your root password nad ip adres on a werez group09:17
DisabledDuck... i may be a noob... i'm not a retard09:18
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TheSheepDisabledDuck: sorry09:19
grazieDisabledDuck: usually not bad either >> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#FTP_Server09:19
godless#xubuntu is punchy today... heh09:19
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godlessI thought the warez suggestion was great! You'll wind up with more software than you know what to do with, at least.. heh09:21
godlessI just absent-mindedly ran apt-get update09:23
godlessNot going so well :)09:23
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B1zzwas gonna ask question about my wireless card but, we will see with feisty has a fix to it09:26
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B1zzgotta love the torrent man ill have my iso in about an hour as apposed to the 5 hours from the http09:27
godlessWhere can I read about feisty's "ground-breaking Windows migration assistant"?09:27
DisabledDuckanybody know why the ubuntu sites have been down so often lately?09:30
kalikianagodless, Sounds provocative, is there actually something called that?09:30
kalikianagodless, Incidentally there should be a migration tool.09:30
B1zzim looking that up as we speak09:31
B1zzthat has some info on it09:32
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TheSheepDisabledDuck: might be connected with the DDOS attack we are experiencing due to so many users trying to download thngs at the same time09:34
nuovomy printer works but the scanner isn't working09:35
nuovosays no device found09:35
TheSheepnuovo: is it supported?09:35
nuovoXubuntu doesn't have a scanner dialog?09:35
TheSheepnuovo: it has 'sane'09:35
godlesskalikiana:  I quoted from the ubuntu press release about 7.0409:35
nuovoTheSheep: the funny thing is that before it was working09:35
kalikianaA strange article that is. "Internet Explorer bookmarks, Firefox favorites". Favorites belong to ie.09:35
TheSheepnuovo: it's possible you need to isntall it09:35
TheSheepkalikiana: you know them, journalists ;)09:36
nuovoTheSheep: ohh... I think I know now, 'cause before I went from Ubuntu to Xubuntu so the former took care of all09:36
TheSheepnuovo: install xsane09:36
nuovonow I did a brand new Xubuntu install09:36
nuovoI have it09:36
kalikianagodless, Yeah, I did not realize it was a quote. Did you find it already? It should be on the live cd I think.09:36
kmahmm.. does thunar do some safe delete thinge? takes ages to delete files09:36
kalikianakma, Thunar deletes to '~/.trash'.09:37
godlesskalikiana:  Don't have feisty yet, won't be bothering until the servers calm down a bit09:37
kmakalikiana: not when I use shift+del09:37
godlessI have a windows box I can try it out on :)09:37
kalikianakma, Thunar does not yet support trashes on multiple drives. With Shift it should not take long.09:38
nuovoTheSheep: I'09:38
nuovoI have xsane installed already09:38
kmakalikiana: wtf.. cpu usage is though the roof09:38
kalikianagodless, Yeah, I'll wait with the update of my actual system as well.09:38
TheSheepnuovo: how is your scanner connected? usb? lpt?09:38
kalikianakma, Definitely not normal. What did you do?09:39
godlesshaven't done a xubuntu upgrade yet, have always installed from scratch... But I forgot to put /home on a seperate partition on my most recent box so I'm going to try the upgrade...09:39
godlessI'm a little apprehensive :)09:39
kmakalikiana: deleted a directory full of source code09:39
TheSheepnuovo: is the usb device seen at all? see /proc/bus/usb/devices09:39
kmakalikiana: many small small files09:39
kalikianagodless, Normally the update should work well, there were users who had issues with the GUI update from dapper to edgy.09:40
kmaseams really slow to delete files of any kind.. very well.. perhaps it gets better with fisty09:40
nuovoS:  Manufacturer=hp09:40
nuovoS:  Product=psc 1310 series09:41
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nuovoTheSheep: I am telling you that the printer works09:41
kalikianagodless, And it's even a bit saver, given the potential risk of destroying the mbr on install.09:41
nuovoso I don't get why the scanner isn't working09:41
TheSheepnuovo: ah, so it's a two-in-one device?09:41
godlesskalikiana:  Yeah I remember quite a stir when people were doing dapper->edgy, hence my apprehension. I hate gui issues :(09:41
godlessNot one of those things I find 'fun'09:41
kalikianakma, I don't think there will be much difference with Feisty (which version is your Thunar?). Moving lots of files is generally no good thing. :/09:42
kmaversion (Xfce 4.4 BETA2)09:42
kmaThunar 0.4.1svn-r2315109:42
TheSheepnuovo: saym is it on this list? http://www.sane-project.org/sane-mfgs.html09:43
kalikianagodless, Actually I think Terminal update worked for everybody. And *I* was one of those lucky ones who just ran GUI update and read a bit later that it was supposed to break everything. :P09:44
nuovoTheSheep: yeah, I had it working with Ubuntu, it's Xubuntu that isn't detecting it09:44
kalikianagodless, This is why I'm waiting a while now and not taking the risk ;)09:44
TheSheepnuovo: disconnecting it and reconnecting doesn't help?09:44
godlesskalikiana:  Hm; but I was just reading in my scrollback that gui upgrade is the best way to go?09:44
TheSheepnuovo: does dmesg say anything interesting when you do that?09:45
godlessI'm sure we will hear lots in the next few days :)09:45
kalikianakma, Is that from 'Thunar --version'? Mine is 0.8.09:45
TheSheepkalikiana: 0.8 is in xfce 4.4.009:46
kalikianagodless, Normally gui is recommended. But for dapper/edgy there was some strange issue which could break everything.09:46
kmakalikiana: Thunar 0.4.1svn-r23151 (Xfce
kalikianaTheSheep, Yeah, so why would Thunar suggest it's 0.4?09:46
kmakalikiana: remember.. this is not fisty09:47
godlessYeah I'm getting Thunar 0.4.1svn-r23151 (Xfce too. In thought I had upgraded xfce :/09:47
kalikianakma, Updating to a stable might be good. (I'm also on Edgy, manually updated xfce)09:47
godlessOh. On the other box.09:47
godlessToo many boxen!09:47
kmakalikiana: well, I'm just cleaning up so I can take a backup before I wipe this installation and install feisty09:47
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kmakalikiana: seams weird to start upgrading stuff now :)09:48
kalikianakma, This is what I meant, what I said was confusing. I meant Feisty will give you an updated Thunar.09:48
kmakalikiana: :)09:49
nuovoTheSheep: this? drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: usblp0: removed09:49
kmagah.. cdburning under linux.. always a hell for me09:50
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nuovohow should the scanner be configured?09:50
TheSheepkma: yeah, the error messages about the file names are totally broken09:50
kmaTheSheep: ??09:50
TheSheepkma: trial and error until you locate the file with offending name and rename it09:51
=== kalikiana thinks cd burning on linux is like c programming on windows :P
TheSheepkma: I hate that09:51
kmaTheSheep: WHAT?09:51
kmakalikiana: well.. cdrecord myiso.iso seams to do the trick :)09:51
TheSheepkma: you know, most burning p[rograms wont even tell you the error message or the file that cause d it, just "burning failed"09:51
TheSheepah, iso files09:52
kmaTheSheep: or in my case.. Operation successful :)09:52
TheSheepthat's a different story :)09:52
nuovowhy Ubuntu can detect my scanner and not Xubuntu!!!09:52
TheSheepnuovo: that's pretty weird09:52
DisabledDucknoob question09:53
TheSheepnuovo: did you use xsane on ubuntu too?09:53
DisabledDuckhow do you rename files again?09:53
TheSheepDisabledDuck: mv oldfilename newfilename09:53
nuovoTheSheep: I don't know it automatically everything was set up09:53
TheSheepDisabledDuck: or roght click them on thunar and choose rename09:53
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kmais there any nice tool to graph disk usage under a directory? :)09:56
TheSheepkma: the baobab was very nice09:56
TheSheepkma: but got integrated with gnome09:56
kmaOH NOES09:57
TheSheepkma: now you need half the gnome installed to use it09:57
kmabtw.. is Transmission in the feisty repos?09:57
Naughtyboyguys...got a little wierd thing with mplayer....09:57
kmaerh.. why do I even ask.. I will know soon enough09:57
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Naughtyboywhen I go from windowed mode to fullscreen..the mplayer-controlpanel refuses to disapear...?!?!?!09:58
kmabaobab seams nice09:58
TheSheepkma: it's very handy09:58
graziekma: I don't think so, but deluge is. If you can't wait use http://packages.ubuntu.com09:58
kmagrazie: argh.. I tried deluge.. it was horrible09:59
nuovoguys HPDJ or HPIJS?09:59
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=== grazie did't rate deluge that highly... but thought it was the best linux torrent gui client he'd seen yet
nuovoI think is HPIJS10:01
kmagrazie: I couldn't even remove torrents10:01
TheSheepgrazie: who'd use gui for torrents? they are for leaving on a server on a screen and checking next week10:01
kmagrazie: it hanged for me on several occactions10:01
grazieI've had problems whatever with deluge10:02
grazieooops! no problems10:02
kmastrange :)10:03
kmawell, new version of transmission is out aswell.. I think I will use that one10:03
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kmahmm.. 7.5g left in my home dir10:05
kmabtw, getting flash to work on 64bit.. big hassle?10:05
kalikianaMy system froze now completely two times, every time during a fusesmb file movement.10:06
kalikianaDoes anyone know about this?10:06
TheSheepno, but fusesmb is experimental10:06
kalikianaYes it is. But until the day before yesterday *nothing* like that had happened.10:07
nuovomotherfucker scanner10:08
Howdy125Is that a new brand of scanner ;-/10:09
nuovono :-(10:09
nuovohp all-in-one psc 131510:10
Howdy125Sorry .. I couldn't resist .. :)10:10
nuovoand it worked wonderfully with Ubuntu, it's after installing Xubuntu that isn't working10:10
tonyyarussonuovo: I have the 1310, never had trouble..(but watch the language)10:10
nuovosorry... got me frustated10:11
nuovotonyyarusso: this is my device hp:/usb/psc_1310_series_?serial=CN4AGC80PKO210:12
nuovokeeps saying device I/O error10:13
kmahmm.. best way to take a backup.. does tar cvf backup.tar /home/kma take everything including . files?10:13
tonyyarussonuovo: Restart the printer and computer?10:13
nuovonow it' printing a test page just fine, so I don't where does it get the I/O device error10:13
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SaveFerrisany fiesty mirrors aside from the one up there ^^10:23
somerville32SaveFerris, Where are you located roughly?10:26
SaveFerrissomerville32: FL, USA10:28
somerville32SaveFerris, The only USA mirror doesn't have it rsynced yet.10:29
somerville32Want a mirror from Europe10:29
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SaveFerrissomerville32: i finally got the main one to work, thanks though10:36
tonyyarussosomerville32: excuse me?  THe only USA mirror?10:36
somerville32tonyyarusso, For Xubuntu10:37
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tonyyarussosomerville32: CD or archive?10:39
bao_gongis it me or is the xubuntu feisty torrent painfully slow?10:39
tonyyarussowow, the Xubuntu site is still unavailable10:41
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somerville32We're just that popular.10:41
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=== kma is installing
AK-87How can I find out what driver I am using for my wireless card?10:46
godlessI got on xubuntu.com... eventually..10:46
kmais there some good way to remove the apps that I want afterwards?10:46
kmalike.. Thunderbird10:46
somerville32Yup, use the synaptic package manager10:47
kmawont it complain because I break dependencies for xubuntu-desktop?10:48
somerville32It may. : )10:48
somerville32But it's ok.10:48
somerville32Just make sure to reinstall it before you upgrade.10:48
kmahmm :)10:48
kmaseams.. kinda.. dangerous10:48
kmaoh well.. soon time to tweak the stuff that the installer doesn't fix :) like.. monitor stuff.. keyboard layout stuffs..10:50
kmafix nic drivers :\10:50
kmaoh.. crap10:50
kmaInstaller: "Scanning the mirror...".. yah.. you do that.. with no network10:51
kmait got network.. it's CHEATING10:51
kmaseams like the atl1 driver is included10:53
kmahmm. I thought it would take until 2.6.21 for that to be included10:53
kmawell.. I shouldn't complain10:53
kmanice suprise :)10:53
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kmaor.. perhaps ubuntu added it :\10:54
somerville32Congratz everyone!! :)10:55
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wheels3572Are the instructions to upgrade from Ubuntu Edgy to Feisty be the same for Xubuntu Edgy?10:56
maxamillionwheels3572: i haven't verified, but yes .. they should be10:57
wheels3572maxamillion, oh hey max.  Ok cuz there is no options on the Xubuntu website for upgrading is why im asking10:57
maxamillionwheels3572: yeah, i guess we should update that10:58
maxamillionwheels3572: i'll do it right now10:58
wheels3572oh ok10:58
kmawee.. second nice improvement I noticed.. the flashy boot thingie works for me now :)10:58
wheels3572Sorry for being a pest BUT I prefer using Xubuntu over Ubuntu lol.  Just want my upgrade to be as flawless as possible lol10:58
maxamillionwheels3572: apparently cody has been trying to update it but the server is slow because it shares server space with ubuntu, kubuntu, and edubuntu so its a little bogged down right now ... we will get to it10:59
maxamillionwheels3572: no no, not being a pest ... that's a valid question10:59
kmahmm.. still have to hack xorg.conf tho11:00
wheels3572maxamillion, ahhh you share the space no wonder.  Yeah the site is slow but I can see why too lol everyone wanting to grab Feisty :).  Cant blame them :)11:00
maxamillionyup yup11:01
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kmahmm.. and then this shit again.. flash :\11:23
maxamillion!language | kma11:24
ubotukma: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.11:24
maxamillionits ok11:25
kmabut.. feisty + 64bit + flash = urgh11:25
BFTDI won't use 64-bit for some time11:27
kmabut.. I do11:27
grazielinux + ppc + flash = 011:27
maxamilliongrazie: gnash ;)11:27
maxamillionkma: i use gnash for amd64 ... its not stellar, but its getting better11:27
grazieit's getting there..sloooooowwwly11:28
kmamaxamillion: youtube?11:28
maxamillionkma: nope11:28
kmamaxamillion: then its worthless :)11:28
kmait's like.. almost the only thing I use flash for11:28
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maxamillionkma: youtube is worthless11:29
BFTDI do "update-manager -d" and I don't get the upgrade distro option11:29
kmamaxamillion: naa.. kinda fun :)11:29
maxamillionBFTD: "update-manager -c"11:29
somerville32-d for the development veresion :P11:29
BFTDmaxamillion same thing11:29
graziemaxamillion: has update-manager finally been sorted?11:30
maxamilliongrazie: yeah, supposed to work now11:30
graziepleased to hear that :)11:30
maxamillionBFTD: you running it as gksudo?11:30
BFTDjust as sudo11:31
maxamillionBFTD: try gksudo11:31
kmahmm.. what does mplayer use for flash? is it gnash aswell?11:31
grazievlc does flash out the box I think11:32
maxamillionmmmmm vlc11:33
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=== grazie you want to compiling from source maxamillion
maxamillionnegative .... .deb ftw ;)11:34
grazieoops...to try.*..source distos can get you down11:36
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bruenigis anyone else having problems with artifacts11:40
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kmaI can't paste stuff in the terminal :\11:47
maxamillionkma: sure you can "ctrl+shift+v"11:47
kmamaxamillion: yes.. tried the11:48
kmatried the menu option aswell11:48
kmaanyhow.. in april 03 2007 in an interview RMS said this: "However, we've joust aboust solved that problem and we're soon going to release a version of Gnash which can even handle YouTube."11:49
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kmahow about swfdec? :\11:50
maxamillionkma: it will be a wonderful day when gnash can handle flash9 ... i will be able to run amd64 without firefox crashes now :)11:51
grazieswfdec is supposed to work quite on ppc too, but not tried it11:51
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kmaurk.. the version in the repo is really REALLY old.. 0.3.6 :\11:52
kmacurrent version is 0.4.311:52
maxamillionwhat repo?11:52
maxamillionthe feisty repo?11:53
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grazienite all11:53
darrend_laptophow do I find which package any given file belongs to?11:54
bigfuzzyjesusmaxamillion, what do you think the easiest way to update ro ff would be11:54
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maxamillionbigfuzzyjesus: for me? ... i edited my sources.list by hand and did "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade" but that's because i have always prefered to do package management from the command line11:56
Pumpernickeldarrend_laptop: dpkg -S filename11:56
darrend_laptopthx Pumpernickel :)11:56
darrend_laptophad been scouring all the man pages for aptitude/apt-cache/apt-everything11:57
kmaperhaps I should give swfdec a try11:58
kmaoh.. now pasting works12:02
kmatalk about flaky12:02
maxamillionkma: that's not good :/12:03
maxamillionkma: wait ... are you currently running any updates?12:03
kmamaxamillion: what? no.. I'm not running anything :)12:04
maxamillioni dunno then12:06
kmahmm.. I need to hide a bunch of volumes aswell12:07
kmaerh.. how do I do that? :\12:08
kmaI got 3 fat partitions that I don't wanna see at all12:08
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Gel1k   ?12:10
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glanzCongrats again everyone!12:21
maxamillionglanz: thankies12:22
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maxamillionhiya kalikiana|dead .... why dead?12:28
kalikiana|deadWell, this is me from a live edgy. My harddrive is dead.12:28

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