[12:53] <atarinox> was the feisty release delayed/
[12:54] <maxamillion> atarinox: its supposed to release tomorrow
[12:54] <atarinox> for xubuntu?
[12:54] <atarinox> or will that be a few days behind
[12:55] <maxamillion> atarinox: that i'm not entirely sure about
[01:11] <blizz> what's the ordinary way to startup things as a certain user at system startup? /etc/rc.local
[01:11] <blizz> ?
[01:11] <blizz> like su <user> -c <something>
[01:12] <maxamillion> blizz: yes, but i'm not entirely sure why you would want to do that
[01:12] <blizz> maxamillion, there are no init scripts for that thing (teamspeak server)
[01:12] <maxamillion> blizz: ah ...'
[01:12] <blizz> huh
[01:13] <blizz> debian non-free unstable has a teamspeak-server deb
[01:13] <maxamillion> blizz: debian i a better server distro ;)
[01:13] <blizz> ack
[01:13] <blizz> fortunately i wanted to install it on a debian 4.0 box anyway :P
[01:14] <maxamillion> ;)
[01:42] <ceil420> what do i need to do to make it so that i can right/middle click on my desktop? :x
[01:43] <Howdy125> I'm using the mail watcher applet but when I set it up to open thunderbird when I click on the applet icon when new mail is available thinderbird opens fine but after that the applet no longer seems to check for new mail .. is that a known problem ?
[01:43] <ceil420> i just right clicked, and all that did was crash conky; after that, nothing happens when i right/middle click on the desktop
[01:44] <maxamillion> ceil420: sounds like xfdesktop isn't managing the desktop
[01:44] <maxamillion> ceil420: go to settings->settings manager->desktop and click "allow xfce to manage my desktop"
[01:45] <maxamillion> Howdy125: i'm not to sure ... i don't use mail programs, you might want to check launchpad.net for a current bug report
[01:45] <Howdy125> ok .. ty maxamillion
[01:45] <ceil420> maxamillion, is there a way to save that setting? because if i just click close, it doesn't save :x
[01:45] <ceil420> i open the desktop settings again and it's not checked anymore
[01:46] <maxamillion> ceil420: whoa ... that's strange
[01:46] <maxamillion> Howdy125: np :)
[01:47] <ceil420> should there be a xfce-desktop-manager process or something? cos if so it's not running
[01:49] <ceil420> maxamillion, am i missing something? http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/966/processesen7.png
[01:49] <maxamillion> ceil420: should just be xfdesktop
[01:50] <maxamillion> ceil420: yeah ... should be "xfdesktop" in there
[01:51] <ceil420> hmm
[01:52] <ceil420> i run xfdesktop and open Process Manager and it's in there, but then when i right click on the desktop it vanishes
[01:52] <maxamillion> ceil420: seems like its crashing ... open a Terminal and run "xfdesktop" and then right click and see if it gives an error message in the terminal
[01:52] <ceil420> "Segmentation fault"
[01:53] <maxamillion> ah yes, the almight seg fault
[01:53] <maxamillion> ceil420: what version of xubuntu you running?
[01:53] <ceil420> how strong a warrior do i have to be to stop that? ><
[01:53] <ceil420> 7.04
[01:53] <vidd_laptop> *wave* maxamillion
[01:53] <maxamillion> hiya vidd_laptop
[01:53] <maxamillion> ceil420: when was the last time you did updates?
[01:54] <ceil420> about 10am GMT
[01:54] <vidd_laptop> when is 7.04 due for release?
[01:55] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: tomorrow i believe
[01:55] <vidd_laptop> hmmmm ubuntu's web site wont load
[01:55] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: the package freeze already happened, i think we are just waiting on jani to say "ok, final images are on the server"
[01:55] <Howdy125> xfdesktop just prings be back to a prompt .. no errors .. 7.04 here.
[01:55] <ceil420> Update Manager tells me my system is up to date
[01:55] <Howdy125> brings*
[01:55] <maxamillion> Howdy125: yeah, it shouldn't error
[01:56] <maxamillion> ceil420: ok ... that's off
[01:56] <maxamillion> odd*
[01:56] <ceil420> :o
[01:56] <maxamillion> anyhoo... i am getting off work and need to go
[01:57] <maxamillion> ceil420: very sorry ... maybe someone else is able to help
[01:57] <ceil420> th--k...
[01:57] <vidd_laptop> ceil420, what is the issue?
[01:57] <ceil420> xfdesktop crashes when i right click on the desktop
[01:58] <ceil420> ceil@DivineStoner:~$ xfdesktop
[01:58] <ceil420> Segmentation fault
[01:58] <vidd_laptop> odd.....
[01:58] <ceil420> it was blank until i right clicked, then seg fault came up
[01:58] <vidd_laptop> did you try to re-install it?
[01:58] <ceil420> re-install xfdesktop?
[01:58] <vidd_laptop> ye
[01:58] <vidd_laptop> s
[01:58] <ceil420> how would one do that, if one were so inclined? :x
[01:59] <ceil420> sudo apt-get reinstall xfdesktop?
[01:59] <vidd_laptop> sudo apt-get reinstall xfdesktop
[01:59] <vidd_laptop> yes...i believe thqat is the correct syntax
[01:59] <ceil420> E: Invalid operation reinstall
[02:00] <vidd_laptop> then remove and install
[02:00] <vidd_laptop> sudo apt-get remove xfdesktop
[02:00] <ceil420> E: Couldn't find package xfdesktop
[02:00] <vidd_laptop> sudo apt-get install xfdesktop
[02:00] <ceil420> o_O
[02:00] <vidd_laptop> ....
[02:01] <ceil420> same thing when i try to install
[02:01] <vidd_laptop> one sec [maybe that is the issue?] 
[02:01] <vidd_laptop> sudo apt-get remove xfdesktop4
[02:01] <vidd_laptop> sudo apt-get install xfdesktop4
[02:02] <ceil420> meh forgot xfce liked the number four
[02:02] <vidd_laptop> its to prevent confusion with xfdesktop3?
[02:02] <vidd_laptop> lol
[02:02] <ceil420> heh
[02:03] <vidd_laptop> wb
[02:03] <ceil420> :x
[02:03] <ceil420> guess xchat didn't want me removing that
[02:04] <vidd_laptop> lol
[02:04] <vidd_laptop> BTW....removing xfdesktop4 will stop all desktop apps from runing....
[02:04] <ceil420> it still crashes when i right click ;s
[02:04] <ceil420> firefox stayed up :o
[02:05] <ceil420> but it seems to be frozen
[02:05] <vidd_laptop> yes....it "stopped running"
[02:05] <vidd_laptop> did restart do anything?
[02:06] <ceil420> heh i'll tell you in a minute :x now that i think about it, i never restarted after removing beryl
[02:06] <ceil420> maybe beryl broke something
[02:06] <ceil420> brb
[02:10] <ceil420> :o
[02:10] <ceil420> my desktop image is gone, replaced by plain blue
[02:10] <ceil420> and when i loaded xchat, i got an alert: "Unable to set transparent background! You may be using a non-compliant window manager that is not currently supported"
[02:11] <ceil420> and right clicking on the desktop still crashes xfdesktop -_-
[02:11] <ceil420> could this be a Feisty issue or did i just somehow break something? :x
[02:12] <kalikiana_> ceil420, Check the workspace/background image setting perhaps?
[02:13] <vidd_laptop> ceil420, i think it is residual fallout from an incomplete removal of beryl
[02:13] <vidd_laptop> you may need to reconfigure xfdesktop4 so it knows to load XFCE and not beryl
[02:13] <ceil420> kalikiana_, i "Allow Xfce to manage the desktop", and it brought my image back. i right clicked and nothing happened, so i opened the "Desktop Preferences" again and the box is no longer checked
[02:14] <ceil420> i did "sudo apt-get autoremove beryl" :o
[02:15] <vidd_laptop> this is another reason maxamllion recommends "aptitute" over apt-get
[02:15] <vidd_laptop> ....
[02:15] <BFTD> yo all
[02:15] <kalikiana_> So xfdesktop is not actually providing the desktop? Since the option is unchecked..
[02:15] <kalikiana_> hi BFTD :)
[02:15] <BFTD> !apitute
[02:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apitute - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:16] <kalikiana_> !aptitude
[02:16] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[02:16] <vidd_laptop> ceil420, that only removed the program...it did not reset other apps that installing beryl changed
[02:16] <ceil420> kalikiana_, when i checked the option, the image came up, then i closed Desktop Preferences. i right clicked on my desktop and reloaded Preferences, and it was unchecked again
[02:16] <ceil420> it says "Segmentation fault" when i do it in terminal
[02:17] <ceil420> vidd_laptop, so how do i reset the other apps or whatever?
[02:17] <vidd_laptop> to be honest....im not sure
[02:17] <vidd_laptop> i dont know what all beryl changes
[02:17] <ceil420> :x
[02:17] <vidd_laptop> but if you reinstall beryl, you may find that your issue fixes itself....
[02:18] <vidd_laptop> then we will have confirmation that it IS removing beryl that is causing your issue
[02:18] <ceil420> is there no way to just tell xfdesktop4 to fix itself?
[02:18] <ceil420> oi, i don't want beryl, but i do want a working desktop
[02:18] <vidd_laptop> while i am sure there is....i would have no clue where to even begin with that task
[02:19] <kalikiana_> Maybe the session is broken?
[02:19] <ceil420> i've already rebooted
[02:19] <vidd_laptop> kalikiana_, he rebooted...issue remained
[02:19] <ceil420> well, i didn't check the session now that i think about it; it may have "loaded last session" or whatever
[02:19] <vidd_laptop> ceil420, you should only need to sudo apt-get install beryl
[02:20] <vidd_laptop> all the other stuff is already in place [i believe] 
[02:20] <ceil420> vidd_laptop, there were problems when  i did that :x there's special instructions on their website for installing to ubuntu with an nvidia card
[02:20] <ceil420> i'll reboot again and start a new session, not load the last one
[02:20] <vidd_laptop> did you try restalling since this issue began?
[02:21] <ceil420> i remember that fixed a problem once before
[02:21] <kalikiana_> Starting with a new session may be well worth a try imho.
[02:21] <ceil420> this issue's not big enough for me to want to bother reinstalling :x to my knowledge it just means i can't right/middle click on the desktop
[02:21] <ceil420> i can just ctrl-alt-backspace for that, right?
[02:22] <Slick> hey guys, how do you install icon themes in xubuntu?
[02:22] <kalikiana_> ceil420, Yes, to restart just X and jump into gdm - but save everything before ;)
[02:22] <ceil420> xchat's the only thing i have open, and i think the logs are saved :p
[02:22] <kalikiana_> Slick, For example by copying one into ~/.icons
[02:23] <Slick> ok thanks
[02:23] <ceil420> but what's gdm?
[02:23] <kalikiana_> ceil420, Good luck then :)
[02:23] <ceil420> :o
[02:23] <kalikiana_> ceil420, That is the 'gnome display manager'. Despite its name xfce can use it. It's "the login screen".
[02:23] <ceil420> ah groovie
[02:23] <ceil420> brb then o/
[02:24] <kalikiana_> cu :)
[02:27] <Slick> kalikiana_: I've copied to the ./icons file but its not showing in the user interfaces settings, any ideas?
[02:27] <Slick> kalikiana_: oh wait its working now
[02:27] <Slick> sorry, it obviously just needed a few minutes
[02:28] <ceil420> no change -_-
[02:28] <kalikiana_> Slick, Sounds good :)
[02:28] <kalikiana_> ceil420, Still segfaults in a fresh session? :-(
[02:28] <ceil420> yeah
[02:29] <ceil420> only on right click tho
[02:29] <ceil420> middle click works
[02:30] <ceil420> (and right click functions normally in xchat, so it ain't something involving the mouse itself)
[02:32] <vidd_laptop> did you reinstall beryl to see if the issue resolves?
[02:33] <kalikiana_> ceil420, So you cannot open the menu. Can you get to the xfce menu via a button i nthe panel?
[02:33] <kalikiana_> Maybe it's a menu issue.
[02:33] <kalikiana_> vidd: I'm not sure if reinstalling Beryl should be related to fixing xfdesktop.
[02:33] <ceil420> i don't have enough of a need to right click on my desktop to bother with beryl anymore
[02:34] <ceil420> i can go in Desktop Preferences and change the background image from there after letting "Xfce manage the desktop"
[02:34] <ceil420> but i can't right click on the desktop
[02:35] <ceil420> lmao
[02:35] <ceil420> i think i need to not be retarded and look at other tabs in Desktop Preferences
[02:35] <ceil420> "Show Desktop menu on right click" wasn't checked
[02:35] <ceil420> but still, i don't think that should cause a segmentation fault, whatever that is :x
[02:36] <kalikiana_> This is getting is nowhere. ceil420, did you look in bugzilla for this problem?
[02:36] <ceil420> i will now
[02:36] <vidd_laptop> notfixing it...just run it once to fix the issue
[02:36] <ceil420> cos i just noticed that that "Desktop menu" ain't the 'proper' menu
[02:39] <ceil420> http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=661
[02:39] <ubotu> XFCE bug 661 in xfdesktop "xfdesktop segfaults, due to repeated calls with "-reload"" [Normal,Resolved: invalid] 
[02:39] <ceil420> that's the closest i can find
[02:39] <ceil420> there's only 14 bugs with "xfdesktop4"
[02:44] <kalikiana_> you could search for 'right' in xfdesktop only.
[02:44] <ceil420> mmm catfish
[02:44] <vidd_laptop> kalikiana_, didnt you WRITE catfish?
[02:44] <kalikiana_> vidd, Indeed I did. That is why I'm so happy about it. :D
[02:44] <vidd_laptop> grats!
[02:45] <ceil420> what's CVS (in relation to xfce/xfdesktop)?
[02:46] <kalikiana_> ceil420, You mean what cvs is? It's a versioning system. Nothing xfce specific.
[02:46] <ceil420> http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=321 my menu is certainly "screwed up", and i was wondering if i should remove ~/.cache
[02:46] <ubotu> XFCE bug 321 in xfdesktop "xfdesktop menu issues" [Major,Resolved: fixed] 
[02:48] <ceil420> i have four items in ~/.cache/xfce4/desktop :o
[02:49] <kalikiana_> ceil420, So delete the folder, it won't usually hurt to. :)
[02:51] <ceil420> meh that didn't fix it
[02:51] <ceil420> woulda been nice :x
[02:55] <ceil420> i really gotta find out why my 80gig isn't auto-mounted after restarting, too -_-
[03:11] <keb> how do i get the system to release the swap space that is used?  there is plenty of free RAM
[03:20] <Arkh> why should you keb ?
[03:20] <Arkh> :p
[03:20] <keb> hmm
[03:20] <keb> my system seems to freeze when the swap is at 100%
[03:20] <Arkh> your swap gets to 100% ?
[03:20] <keb> sometimes
[03:20] <keb> especially with xmms and rtorrent and spambayes running
[03:21] <Arkh> mm I don't know..
[03:22] <keb> i think i will try swapoff and then swapon
[03:22] <Arkh> heh
[03:22] <keb> see if anything panics
[03:22] <Arkh> i thought about that
[03:22] <Arkh> but it is kindof dirty trick
[03:26] <keb> whew, it worked. cpu and swap went to 100% for a while
[03:26] <Arkh> :)
[03:27] <keb> maybe it had to wake a bunch of sleeping processes and put them into RAM
[03:28] <Arkh> yap
[03:28] <Arkh> torrent I think
[03:33] <jlist> hi all, not sure if this is a problem - in "users and groups" tool, "manage groups", both users and groups show up
[03:34] <keb> each user is in their own group, by default
[03:34] <jlist> oh i see
[03:34] <keb> i.e., there is a group created for each user
[03:35] <jlist> yeah, i notice that. all users are in /etc/group
[03:35] <jlist> not making sense to me as a windows user :)
[03:36] <keb> it gives maximum security by default, but you can reassign it
[03:37] <jlist> i see.
[03:37] <jlist> and i just realize that group "user_1" does not contain a member "user_a"
[03:37] <jlist> !!
[03:40] <jlist> sorry, i mean user_a and user_a
[03:40] <keb> hmm
[03:40] <jlist> the group of that user does not have a member of itself
[03:46] <keb> i don't have a user_a group
[03:46] <keb> did you create that ?
[03:50] <jlist> i mean, for each user, there is a group
[03:50] <jlist> but the group does not contain the user id
[03:51] <jlist> user_a is an example ... i wasn't clear
[03:53] <jlist> does anyone know when ubuntu 7.04 will be available, and when will xubuntu 7.04 be ready?
[03:55] <kalikiana_> jlist, Feisty will come at the end of this month. That's Ubuntu and XUbuntu afaik.
[03:56] <jlist> hmm. on ubuntu's site, it said "release is tomorrow" yesterday
[03:57] <kalikiana_> jlist, I do not remember the actual date, only "end of April". :/
[03:57] <jlist> and it says the same today :)
[03:58] <keb> jlist it is likely that a user is always a member of the group with same name, and does not need to be listed
[03:58] <jlist> LONDON, April 16, 2007  For users wanting a secure, feature rich alternative to Microsoft Windows, Canonical Ltd., the commercial sponsor of Ubuntu, announced today the Thursday release of Ubuntu version 7.04.
[03:58] <jlist> keb: that seems to be the case
[03:58] <jlist> thanks
[03:59] <keb> today is Wednesday where i am
[03:59] <jlist> true. guess they put "tomorrow" on a bit too early
[04:01] <kalikiana_> It's thursday, 04:00 in the morning here.
[04:01] <keb> will Feisty be released at 0704h
[04:03] <jlist> depending on where you are...it might :)
[04:04] <keb> with some MS-Windows releases, the file time was set to the version number
[04:06] <jlist> hmm. such as windows 95? :)
[04:07] <keb> hehe
[04:08] <cellofellow> anyone know where XFCE4 keeps its menu data? My menu is bloated full of items that aren't really installed.
[04:09] <kalikiana_> cellofellow, It's usually constructed from /usr/share/applications and ~/.local/applications
[04:09] <cellofellow> I know, but it caches  a local "copy" somewhere.
[04:10] <kalikiana_> That should not normally matter, if by "copy" you mean the cache.
[04:10] <kalikiana_> Since it's updated on file activities.
[04:10] <cellofellow> well, whatever it is it gets updated when I run update-menus
[04:11] <kalikiana_> cellofellow, It might be ~/.cache/libfrapmenu
[04:12] <cellofellow> there we go, my ~/.local/share/applications was full of crap from a previous installation.
[04:14] <kalikiana_> cellofellow, Did I mention that catfish appears on google's first page of "linux file search" and "gtk file search" :D
[04:14] <cellofellow> awesome!!!!!
[04:14] <keb> whatis catfish
[04:14] <cellofellow> his desktop search tool
[04:14] <keb> cool
[04:14] <cellofellow> software.twotoasts.de
[04:14] <keb> heh nice name
[04:15] <cellofellow> we all made it up in a big brainstorm session. I used to be search4files. :)
[04:15] <cellofellow> it*
[04:16] <kalikiana_> What does an "edit bookmarks" icon normally look like?
[04:16] <keb> catfish is a little more colourful ;)
[04:16] <godless> kalikiana_: You might remember I was having a problem with Rhythmbox starting very slowly. I didn't explain how I fixed it then; maybe 12 hours later is just as good.
[04:17] <kalikiana_> godless, Yeah, you were away I think. Now what was the problem?
[04:17] <cellofellow> easiest fix: scratch rythmbox and use exaile.
[04:17] <godless> I had a samba share mounted through pyneighbourhood ... it had gone flaky.
[04:18] <cellofellow> you actually got pyneighborhood to mount?
[04:18] <godless> cellofellow:  I tried that, exaile's daap support is alpha stage at this point and not nearly as good as rhythmbox.
[04:18] <godless> When it is polished up I will switch
[04:18] <cellofellow> oh, yeah, you use daap.
[04:18] <kalikiana_> godless, Ah, samba ~ windows, naturally :P
[04:18] <godless> Well, not really, but that was the impetus for this experiment :)
[04:18] <cellofellow> exaile is doing pretty good for an 0.2.9 release.
[04:18] <godless> kalikiana_:  precisely.
[04:18] <sigmamu188> anyone do any motorola seem editing with xubuntu?
[04:19] <kalikiana_> sigmamu188, Is there a linux porgram for that? I did that under windows only
[04:19] <sigmamu188> kalikiana_: thats what im trying to find out
[04:19] <godless> Rhythmbox was scanning for network shares, I guess, as I suppose it does. I didn't look into the specifics of why it was doing what it was doing to be honest. (I had been up all night.) I just tried to unmount the share. This didn't work right away but that's another story. Anyway after nuking the shares rhythmbox loads up quite quickly.
[04:20] <kalikiana_> sigmamu188, I wouldn't even have expected anyone to ask that here. Since it's not a topic for usual users. :P
[04:20] <sigmamu188> kalikiana_: i want to flash my  razr v3m to v3c and so some seem edits
[04:20] <godless> cellofellow:  Exaile is great. The daap plugin specifically is not ready for primetime, though.
[04:20] <cellofellow> tracker always messed with my LinNeighborhood shares. I now use fusesmb.
[04:20] <cellofellow> :)
[04:21] <kalikiana_> sigmamu188, I was pretty inactive about moto hacking recently. But I never found a program which would run on linux.
[04:21] <godless> cellofellow:  I will look into fuse. It seemed a little more intensive an install and at the time I just wanted to move some files, but after the mess I had to clean up last night I am not particularly fond of PyNeighbourhood at the moment :)
[04:22] <godless> I mean ultimately it was almost certainly windows' fault, but..
[04:22] <cellofellow> it's not hard to set up at all.
[04:22] <cellofellow> I find connecting to samba quite easy. Setting up shares on the other hand....
[04:35] <keb> "Fatal error, search was aborted"
[04:35] <keb> oops, is there a catfish support channel
[04:40] <kalikiana_> keb, Ask me, I'm the catfish support ;)
[04:40] <kalikiana_> keb, What were you doing to get this error?
[04:40] <keb> catfish --fulltext keyword
[04:41] <keb> it popped up the dialogue window and started searching
[04:41] <jlist> exit
[04:42] <kalikiana_> When I type exactly this I get one result. Would the file not exist (e.g. 'keyword1') it'd simply say 'Nothing found.'
[04:42] <kalikiana_> keb, What version are you using?
[04:44] <keb> catfish-0.3a
[04:46] <kalikiana_> keb, That's what I was using to verify. So... did you run it from a Terminal? Maybe it outputs a more exact error?
[04:46] <keb> yes
[04:46] <keb> find: /home/keb/.aptitude: Permission denied
[04:46] <keb> find: /home/keb/.gtkhack: Permission denied
[04:46] <keb> thats it
[04:46] <kalikiana_> keb, Ah, so it did not find anything and *that* resulted in the error. I admit it's a but ugly/ confusing.
[04:46] <keb> ah
[04:47] <kalikiana_> keb, It's a find issue I could not fully fix.
[04:47] <keb> thanks
[04:48] <kalikiana_> keb, I hope it's otherwise working? For example good to see someone using --arguments. In fact not everybody likes that apsect.
[04:48] <kalikiana_> *aspect
[04:49] <keb> "catfish notes"  does the same :/
[04:50] <keb> maybe i am missing a backend?
[04:50] <kalikiana_> keb, I do not know your system, did you try to select a backend manually?
[04:50] <keb> no
[04:51] <keb> it seems to default to "find"
[04:51] <kalikiana_> Yes. You need to select others manually. Either by --method or in the GUI.
[04:52] <kalikiana_> E.g. 'catfish --locate --thumbnails %s' is what I'm using as a shortcut.
[04:56] <keb> hm ok
[04:56] <kalikiana_> *'catfish --method=locate --thumbnails %s'
[04:57] <keb> with locate it is ok but does not find files i know are there
[04:57] <keb> catfish --method=locate catfish
[04:58] <keb> hmm
[05:00] <keb> forgot to updatedb
[05:02] <keb> nope, even after that it still finds nothing
[05:03] <keb> "locate catfish" works however
[05:06] <kalikiana_> keb, did you check the folder it's searching in?
[05:07] <keb> oh, doesnt it searc same as locate command ?
[05:07] <boris55> when's feisty going to be out?
[05:08] <kalikiana_> keb, unlike some search methods like locate, catfish always respects the folder
[05:08] <keb> ah!
[05:08] <kalikiana_> boris55, Should be end of April, but I don't know an actual date by heart.
[05:09] <kalikiana_> keb, You can of course do --path=/ if it's annoying, but sometimes it's faster :)
[05:09] <boris55> I can't wait to try the new xubuntu. Still one of my favorite distos.
[05:09] <kalikiana_> boris55, You *could* try the current beta ;)
[05:10] <boris55> I can wait. Thanks.
[05:12] <icicled> anyone have problems with the network-admin program crashing constantly?
[05:12] <icicled> i can't seem to start it
[05:12] <icicled> it goes straight to a bug report dialog
[05:13] <kalikiana_> icicled, I'm on Edgy. It's working perfectly here. Any actual error message, possibly in a Terminal?
[05:13] <icicled> nope, nothing
[05:13] <icicled> just a warning about not finding an icon
[05:14] <icicled> last time i checked gtk warnings didn't mean anything
[05:14] <icicled> =\
[05:15] <kalikiana_> icicled, Does it say what icon is missing? Maybe you can just add it?
[05:15] <kalikiana_> There *are* e.g. pyGtk programs that break if icons are missing.
[05:16] <icicled> poo
[05:16] <kalikiana_> (I'm not sure spontaneously what that network-admin is done in)
[05:16] <icicled> uh...it works now
[05:16] <icicled> >_<
[05:16] <icicled> it wasn't working all afternoon
[05:16] <icicled> wtf!
[05:16] <kalikiana_> So what did you do? Look it straight in the face?
[05:16] <icicled> this is becoming like a windows app!
[05:17] <icicled> i don't know
[05:17] <icicled> maybe it has to do with my wireless settings
[05:17] <icicled> i'm at home now, so the wireless is setup automatically on boot
[05:18] <icicled> but at school in the afternoon i have to manually setup the wireless through console with wpa_supplicant
[05:18] <kalikiana_> As soon as wireless or samba play a role, those "windows" things can happen :/
[05:18] <kalikiana_> Connecting to a windows lan is always a horror. Like "Does it work today".
[05:19] <icicled> it shouldn't freak out and crash though
[05:19] <rici> "where does it want to go today?"
[05:19] <kalikiana_> *lol @ rici
[05:19] <icicled> i seems the network-admin tool crashes if it isn't connected via wireless
[05:22] <keb> thanks kalikiana_ it is a useful addition
[05:26] <icicled> what's catfish?
[05:26] <kalikiana_> icicled, it's a desktop file search frontend, e.g. for find, locate or tracker
[05:26] <icicled> ah ok
[05:27] <keb> mine only lists find, locate, slocate as backends
[05:27] <kalikiana_> keb, It will only display what it finds on your system.
[05:28] <kalikiana_> keb, You can of couse still install strigi, pinot, tracker or doodle.
[05:28] <keb> are those better at some things?
[05:28] <keb> i will check into it
[05:29] <keb> would love if it works with gnuift
[05:31] <kalikiana_> keb, What is gnuift may I ask?
[05:31] <keb> a content based image finding tool
[05:32] <kalikiana_> keb, I wolud have to see if it fits as a file searching backends. Then adding it should be easy.
[05:32] <keb> well it depends, it doesnt look like catfish actually searches inside files for stuff
[05:33] <keb> only looks at filenames
[05:33] <keb> so maybe there isnt a hook for content-based searching
[05:33] <kalikiana_> keb, If the backend supports it, catfish can search "fulltext", which means looking into files
[05:34] <kalikiana_> keb, but that depends a bit on the acutal backend
[05:34] <kalikiana_> *actual
[05:35] <keb> hmm so it might be possible, if sample images were tagged with descriptions and the backend had the right hooks
[05:36] <kalikiana_> Yes. As long as the backend provides a cli or dbus interface and outputs a path and any kind of text it should work.
[05:37] <biouser> hello hello
[05:37] <biouser> ls
[05:38] <keb> gnuift is meant as a query by example tool, but it might be adaptable, i will look at it
[05:38] <kalikiana_> hi biouser :)
[05:38] <biouser> hola
[05:39] <biouser> I am just here to offer support and conversation.. been using xubuntu for a few months... love it.... just upgrade to Feisty on a few machines in the last couple of weeks
[05:39] <kalikiana_> keb, If you could actually tell me how to use gnuift to search for a keyword and get back filenames I can look into it.
[05:40] <kalikiana_> biouser, Welcome to the team. We always need a helping hand :)
[05:40] <keb> afraid i havent used it enough, i indexed my collection but couldnt get the frontend working
[05:42] <biouser> thank you.  I'm new to IRC format.  I am happy to be observing. Just got some sndobj going in python...
[06:43] <biouser> hello all
[06:57] <biouser> how's it going?
[06:59] <kalikiana_> biouser, Well, well so far. Coding happily, hating firefox fervently, you now how it is... :P
[06:59] <biouser> why hating firefox?
[07:01] <kalikiana_> Let me think... It's disintegrated. It's slow.
[07:01] <biouser> What is better?
[07:02] <kalikiana_> Hah, maybe Camino? Sadly it is Mac only. [..] 
[07:03] <kalikiana_> Or hopefully my own project based on webkit?
[07:03] <biouser> hmmm... I used something kde before that was pretty good... quicker.. let me think
[07:03] <kalikiana_> Currently, there is no browser I would call "really" better.
[07:03] <biouser> is that what you are working on?
[07:04] <kalikiana_> Yes, I'm building a browser which will render with webkit, known from Safari for example.
[07:05] <kalikiana_> And so far webkit is extremely much faster for me.
[07:05] <kalikiana_> And it consumes far less memory.
[07:05] <biouser> interesting
[07:05] <biouser> I like slim things
[07:06] <biouser> konqueror is pretty cool, that's what it was
[07:06] <kalikiana_> Firefox hit a critical point for me, speaking of being arkward, slow and whatever.
[07:07] <kalikiana_> Actually konqueror uses khtml which is similar to webkit == sharing most code with it.
[07:07] <biouser> I don't know what webkit is...
[07:08] <kalikiana_> If konqueror were less of a everything-in-one and not qt I might like it. :P
[07:08] <kalikiana_> Webkit is Safari's engine. It was originally based on khtml == konqueror's engine.
[07:09] <biouser> what language do you write in mostly?
[07:09] <kalikiana_> Imagine Webkit as pretty standards compliant, like gecko, but much light in general.
[07:11] <kalikiana_> I chose C for maximum speed. Although I might need to hack a bit of C++ for the api of webkit.
[07:12] <biouser> are you working with a team?
[07:12] <kalikiana_> So far it's only me. But I talked to two guys so far who are willing to contribute.
[07:13] <kalikiana_> I hope that I can focus on the interface and avoid to work on the actual renderer.
[07:13] <biouser> I'm not much of a coder yet
[07:14] <biouser> I know some python, matlab, very little C..
[07:16] <kalikiana_> You could write docs or translate if you're not too comfy with C.
[07:16] <kalikiana_> I like python very much, but I don't think it's suitable for this project.
[07:17] <biouser> are you going to be able to get plugins into browser?  ie flash, java
[07:19] <biouser> do you have a testing release?
[07:19] <kalikiana_> I would not really care about it until everything else works. But if someone makes it work it will of course be supported.
[07:21] <kalikiana_> Currently configure is missing and certain things like to segfault. Apart from that I can browse websites with it and open tabs or windows. I'm looking forward to have something in a few days.
[07:21] <kalikiana_> hi maxamillion :)
[07:22] <maxamillion> hi kalikiana_
[07:22] <biouser> I'd be interested to check it out
[07:23] <kalikiana_> biouser, I can put you onto my ToPokeList :P
[07:24] <biouser> sounds... provacative :P
[07:24] <biouser> provocative that is
[07:24] <biouser> provacative is interesting....
[07:25] <kalikiana_> If you will be online about the time I upload it I will (poke=)notify you.
[07:26] <biouser> on the freenode, here?
[07:27] <kalikiana_> Yep, I'm only on freenode.
[07:28] <maxamillion> freenode ftw
[07:29] <Pumpernickel> kalikiana_: Seen GtkHTML?
[07:30] <kalikiana_> Pumpernickel, You mean using it for rendering or something else?
[07:30] <biouser> sure, kalikiana_, I'm going to try to be around fairly regularly... this is my first time
[07:31] <biouser> how's Germany?
[07:31] <kalikiana_> biouser, I like to put the most important channels in the autojoin list. Maybe that's a first "trick" you could try.
[07:32] <Pumpernickel> kalikiana_: Just that recently it's based off Webkit.
[07:33] <kalikiana_> Germany in general is nice. Bonn, where I live is an awesome city. Politics is evil atm.
[07:33] <maxamillion> kalikiana_: politics is generally evil :/
[07:34] <biouser> atm?
[07:34] <maxamillion> biouser: atm = at the moment
[07:34] <kalikiana_> Pumpernickel, I do not know of actual work being done there. So any link? What did he/they do?
[07:35] <TheSheep> Pumpernickel: they work on gtkhtml again?
[07:35] <TheSheep> I've seen it listed as a proposition for SoC
[07:36] <kalikiana_> biouser, maxamillion: Yesterday polititians made a concept of logging any internet activity related to German users, from the providers side, so that everybody and everything will be tracked. *arg
[07:36] <TheSheep> kalikiana_: that's undoable :)
[07:37] <Pumpernickel> I seem to remember it from a news article awhile ago... I'll see if I can find it.
[07:37] <TheSheep> kalikiana_: how about the government virus?
[07:37] <biouser> Ron Paul 2008
[07:38] <kalikiana_> TheSheep, You mean the "Bundestrojaner"? It's being rigidly developed. And they seem to mean it seriously.
[07:38] <TheSheep> amazing
[07:38] <kalikiana_> TheSheep, Since much will come from the isp's site, it's not "undoable".
[07:39] <TheSheep> kalikiana_: do you know how much data it is?
[07:39] <kalikiana_> By the way that's not only a German problem ;)
[07:39] <kalikiana_> s/;)/:'/
[07:39] <TheSheep> kalikiana_: sure, you can filter in real time and look for specific things, but you can't really store more than several days of logs
[07:40] <kalikiana_> TheSheep, ip addresses, time of connect/ disconnect, mail server activity, mail subjects...
[07:41] <TheSheep> kalikiana_: that's logged anyways (except the mail subjects maybe, just message ids)
[07:41] <kalikiana_> TheSheep, They say 80 days. And they don't care since providers will have to do it.
[07:41] <Pumpernickel> Okay, I wasn't remembering it correctly... http://gtk-webcore.sourceforge.net/
[07:41] <kalikiana_> TheSheep, But those information is normally not saved long-term, not accessible to 3rd parties and not including actual text/ contents.
[07:41] <TheSheep> kalikiana_: well, the basic logs that you mention are definitely doable,and I wouldn't trust any isp that doesn't keep them at least for month
[07:43] <kalikiana_> Pumpernickel, That is not exactly gtkhtml. It's a dying port of webkit. Nevertheless I'm using it currently. As soon as someone writes a C api and fixes some bugs for gdk webkit I'm going to use that.
[07:43] <Pumpernickel> kalikiana_: I realise.  Bad memory, skimmed article, and so forth.
[07:44] <biouser> well, all, I'm going to watch a conspiracy video about the federal reserve and go to sleep, see y'all around
[07:44] <TheSheep> any non-gecko html widget for gtk is welcome
[07:44] <kalikiana_> TheSheep, So you would insit in saving that much about you? What for? Imho it's a big privacy whole, nothing else.
[07:44] <TheSheep> kalikiana_: it's not about me, it's about the inner workings of the network
[07:44] <TheSheep> kalikiana_: and it's needed when something happens
[07:44] <kalikiana_> biouser, "Enjoy" it. See you :)
[07:45] <TheSheep> kalikiana_: of course it shouldn't be public
[07:45] <TheSheep> Pumpernickel: thanks for the link
[07:46] <Pumpernickel> TheSheep: np o.O
[07:46] <kalikiana_> TheSheep, 1) it must not be public and 2) it's not needed to keep that for such a long time and 3) saving mail subjects is *some-oppressed-curse*
[07:47] <TheSheep> kalikiana_: mail subjects are irrelevant, it's the message ids that have to be saved
[07:47] <TheSheep> kalikiana_: then you can track spam, for example, and fine the spammers
[07:47] <kalikiana_> TheSheep, If you have any spare time, feel free to work on the gdk port of webkit ;)
[07:48] <kalikiana_> TheSheep, mail subjects are relevant. I expect mail to be encrypted. Not published.
[07:48] <maxamillion> so ... GTK+ WebCore is dead or just still in early development?
[07:49] <kalikiana_> maxamillion, It's dying and being revived. As soon as someone works on gdk webkit it'll be banished completely.
[07:49] <kalikiana_> maxamillion, For now gtk-webcore is my testing subject, though.
[07:49] <kalikiana_> hi grazie :)
[07:50] <grazie> morning
[07:50] <maxamillion> kalikiana_: ok, so gtk webkit is going to replace gtk webcore?
[07:51] <kalikiana_> maxamillion, Yes. As much code as possible is supposed to be shared. So gdk webkit is the way to go. In fact gtk-webcore is a too seperated and unmaintained fork.
[07:52] <maxamillion> ah, ok
[07:52] <TheSheep> kalikiana_: how good is webcore now, what do you think?
[07:53] <TheSheep> kalikiana_: in terms of completeness and stability
[07:53] <maxamillion> kalikiana_: wait ... so webkit is done by apple?
[07:53] <kalikiana_> TheSheep, gtk-webcore is "working" but incomplete. You could not create a full browser around it but possibly a feed reader.
[07:54] <kalikiana_> maxamillion, webkit is mainly apple's child nowasays. But they don't work on the gdk port.
[07:54] <maxamillion> ah, ok
[07:55] <LoneShadow> hi, how do I access the xubuntu-artwork after installing the package ?
[07:55] <kalikiana_> maxamillion, So eventually webkit will use a common renderer code (==mostly apple) and have some gtk features around it (not apple).
[07:56] <maxamillion> kalikiana_: ahhh ok
[07:56] <maxamillion> LoneShadow: should be in /usr/share/xubuntu-artwork/ if i remember correctly
[07:56] <TheSheep> LoneShadow: you should have new options in the various settings, like desktop backgrounds, icons, window decorations, etc.
[07:56] <maxamillion> LoneShadow: that too :)
[07:57] <malnilion> Jeez, have you guys heard of Jamendo?
[07:58] <TheSheep> malnilion: nope
[07:58] <maxamillion> kalikiana_: April 1st, 2007 at 12:04 am they announced that WebKit is shutting down
[07:58] <malnilion> jamendo.com
[07:58] <malnilion> Music licensed under the Creative Commons License.
[07:58] <LoneShadow> When I upgraded my xubuntu from edgy to feisty, the frames around the windows went black
[07:58] <LoneShadow> looked pretty good, now after rebooting the PC, its back to blue :(
[07:59] <malnilion> If stuff is about as good as this first album I listened to, I'm hooked.
[08:00] <TheSheep> malnilion: seems like cc is doing a good job of "fixing" the copyright law somewhat
[08:01] <malnilion> I think music licensed under it is getting better.
[08:01] <LoneShadow> TheSheep: where do I choose things like window decorations ?
[08:01] <TheSheep> LoneShadow: settings->window manager settings
[08:01] <LoneShadow> I see only like 5-6 images
[08:01] <maxamillion> kalikiana_: ?
[08:02] <TheSheep> LoneShadow: you can find more xfwm4 themes at http://xfce-look.org
[08:03] <kalikiana_> maxamillion, What exactly does that mean?
[08:03] <maxamillion> kalikiana_: no clue ...
[08:04] <maxamillion> kalikiana_: http://webkit.org/blog/ <-- second entry down
[08:04] <TheSheep> maxamillion: april fools
[08:05] <kalikiana_> maxamillion, Can I counter with having talked to apple guys about - hey, that's a silly joke they posted there!
[08:05] <kalikiana_> maxamillion, You thought they were serious?
[08:05] <kalikiana_> TheSheep, Who is RITA?
[08:07] <maxamillion> kalikiana_: wow .. i just realized they posted it on april fools day ... jeebus i fail at life
[08:08] <TheSheep> kalikiana_: Reliable Internet Troubleshooting Agent
[08:08] <LoneShadow> TheSheep: thanks
[08:08] <TheSheep> kalikiana_: just search for 'RITA RFC'
[08:09] <kalikiana_> maxamillion, Shit happens. I was close to falling for a joke about Mozilla enforcing a "tab" patent on Microsoft which they shared with Opera :)
[08:09] <maxamillion> lol
[08:09] <maxamillion> that would be funny
[08:09] <TheSheep> that'd be somewhat just
[08:10] <TheSheep> in historic sense
[08:12] <maxamillion> but it'll never happen
[08:13] <maxamillion> TheSheep: wait ... is it already "tomorrow" there? like, since we last spoke have you slept and woke up again?
[08:16] <TheSheep> maxamillion: yes
[08:16] <malnilion> I've noticed that TheSheep is on at strange hours :)
[08:16] <malnilion> 'Course I'm up at strange hours lately as wel.
[08:16] <TheSheep> malnilion: no sir, it's not me that's strange ;)
[08:16] <malnilion> I guess you're right, lol
[08:16] <malnilion> It is me.
[08:16] <TheSheep> it's everyone else
[08:17] <TheSheep> "everyone thiks I'm stupid, what's wrog with them?"
[08:18] <maxamillion> TheSheep: wild
[08:18] <maxamillion> TheSheep: anyhoo ... its my turn to sleep
[08:18] <maxamillion> ttyl
[09:05] <sunnz2> Hi
[09:05] <sunnz2> How do you do the wave hand thing?
[09:06] <kalikiana_> I just type '/me waves' ;)
[09:06] <sunnz2> woot
[09:11] <silya> Hi all! When??? ubuntu.com is down! But xubuntu.org not :(
[09:12] <kalikiana_> silya, Please hold your breath for a moment and say again.
[09:12] <ceil420> i all! When??? ubuntu.com is down! But xubuntu.org not :(
[09:13] <ceil420> +H <_<
[09:13] <ceil420> :(
[09:14] <silya> As I understand ubuntu.com is down for updating info about current release (feisty), but xubuntu.org - not
[09:15] <kalikiana_> silya, These domains are not exactly related. Xubuntu may update a bit later.
[09:16] <silya> ok :)
[09:19] <BFTD> yo all
[09:36] <TheSheep> how to get laid with xubuntu, part 1:
[09:36] <TheSheep> W: mdadm: I'll update the initramfs, but if you need MD to boot
[09:36] <TheSheep> W: mdadm: with initramfs, you'll be screwed!
[09:37] <TheSheep> who writes these messages? XD
[09:43] <kalikiana_> Is there a program which can check a list of websites for updates for me? (With no news feeds, that is.)
[09:49] <TheSheep> kalikiana_: check out specto
[09:50] <ryno> Is there some script / program that downloads html recursively from a remote location?
[09:50] <TheSheep> ryno: wget
[09:50] <ryno> Maybe an option in wget?
[09:50] <TheSheep> ryno: -r
[09:50] <ryno> Thanks.
[09:51] <TheSheep> ryno: you also proabbly want -l<limit> and -np
[09:51] <TheSheep> ryno: check man wget for details
[09:56] <kalikiana_> TheSheep, Do you have a second choice, without gnome deps?
[09:56] <TheSheep> kalikiana_: write a simple script for cron?
[09:57] <TheSheep> kalikiana_: there are urllib and diff modules for python ;)
[09:58] <kalikiana_> TheSheep, would simply checking the server's modification time work?
[09:58] <TheSheep> kalikiana_: if the server gives correct times, then yes
[09:58] <kalikiana_> TheSheep, I'm thinking about dynamic sites here..
[09:58] <TheSheep> kalikiana_: that would be very efficient, just using HEAD
[09:59] <TheSheep> kalikiana_: what kind of a dynamic site doesn't provide feeds?
[10:00] <kalikiana_> TheSheep, I did not look at every single site so closely
[10:01] <kalikiana_> TheSheep, but maybe I should just try it :)
[10:01] <TheSheep> kalikiana_: just look at th orang icon in the location bar :)
[10:01] <kalikiana_> TheSheep, oh, you mean the *feed* icon. yeah, I'll go through the sites.
[10:18] <sunnz2> Does anyone know if Xubuntu Feisty will have that "enable 3d dektop" bottun like in Ubuntu?
[10:23] <Arkh> mm I don't know
[10:24] <Arkh> becase 3d desktop wopuld require a kinda powerful machine and xubuntu is designed for poor systems
[10:32] <ceil420> :o
[10:32] <ceil420> is there a way i can get the Edgy splash screen with the running mouse in the ubuntu wheel? :x
[10:37] <joris__> Hi there Will Xubuntu 7.04 be released today?
[10:38] <ceil420> heh my poor little computer doesn't like it when i turn on transparency stuph :x
[10:38] <ceil420> (I don't see anything about 3D in the Xfce Settings Manager, tho)
[10:40] <Arkh> joris__, I hope so
[10:41] <joris__> Im just about to install a computer....
[10:42] <joris__> so i hope itt will not take too long
[10:42] <Arkh> the ubuntu homepage is getting hammered
[10:43] <joris__> But feisty is not released yet. am i right?
[10:44] <crimsun> correct.
[10:45] <atarinox> so it's releasing later this afternoon?
[10:45] <crimsun> it releases when it's ready, meaning all the primary mirrors are synced up.
[10:48] <TheSheep> ceil420: xfce doesn't do 3D
[10:49] <ceil420> yeh, but i figured i'd look since someone asked about it
[10:49] <joris__> If the site is allready hammered bittorent seems the best option, later this afternoon...
[10:51] <joris__> j/ #Ubuntu
[10:53] <kalikiana_> ceil420, Actually xfce can do compositing if it's available
[10:53] <kalikiana_> ceil420, But it is not really fast at this time
[10:53] <ceil420> kalikiana_, if you're on about the opacity, that's what i just tried, but it lagged me hardcore :x
[10:54] <Arkh> what are your specs, ceil420 ?
[10:54] <ceil420> SysInfo: uname: Linux 2.6.20-15-generic Distro: ID=Ubuntu RELEASE=7.04 CODENAME=feisty DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 7.04" CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.70GHz 1695.117 MHz Bogomips: 3393.6 Mem: 268/503M [||||||||||]  Diskspace: 91.34G Free: 70.74G Uptime: 8 hrs 28 mins 49 secs Load: 0.74 0.95 0.99  Procs: 85 Graphic: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200]  (rev a1) Screen: 1280x1024 (32 bpp) Netinfo: eth0
[10:54] <ceil420> : In: 47.04M Out: 7.25M
[10:54] <TheSheep> ceil420: enable compositing in your xorg
[10:54] <kalikiana_> ceil420, Yeah, I mean the last page of the "window manager tweaks". It's somewhat lame.
[10:54] <TheSheep> ceil420: and use the nvidia drivers
[10:55] <TheSheep> kalikiana_: it's lightning fast on nvidia cards
[10:55] <kalikiana_> Someone suggested with a more recent Xorg performance will improve.
[10:55] <ceil420> TheSheep, i don't really want translucency, i was just playin' with it
[10:55] <ceil420> as long as Xfce can handle my regular themes, i'm alright :p
[10:56] <kalikiana_> TheSheep, That I cannot verify for I am using the free radeon driver. :)
[10:56] <Arkh> ceil420, it is impossible that your hardware lags
[10:56] <TheSheep> ceil420: compositing will also push some work on your gpu, so you should expect an overal improvement
[10:56] <ceil420> then there's a messed up setting somewhere or something, cos i set "moving window" or whatever to about 80% opacity and moved a window and it was very slow
[10:56] <kalikiana_> Does anybody by chance know if coming Xorg versions will improve compositing?
[10:57] <TheSheep> ceil420: you need the proprietary drivers for the acceleration to work
[10:57] <ceil420> how do i get those?
[10:57] <TheSheep> !nvidia
[10:57] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:57] <ceil420> grazie
[10:57] <ceil420> :p
[10:57] <kalikiana_> ceil420, Disable opacity for moving and inactive windows, then it's way faster - so you still have opacity for programs.
[10:58] <grazie> that's me
[10:58] <TheSheep> ceil420: basically, apt-get install nvidia-glx linux-restricted-modules-<your kernel here>
[10:58] <ceil420> :o
[10:59] <ceil420> that's a long package name
[10:59] <TheSheep> these are two packages
[10:59] <ceil420> "kernel" being 2.6.20-15-generic or 2.6.20-15 or what?
[11:01] <TheSheep> 2.6.20-15-generic in your case
[11:01] <ceil420> E: Couldn't find package apt-get
[11:01] <ceil420> lol?
[11:02] <TheSheep> apt-get is a command
[11:02] <ceil420> oh lol
[11:02] <ceil420> my bad
[11:02] <ceil420> yeah, i typed out apt-get install out of habit, then pasted your line, including apt-get install again
[11:02] <ceil420> ><
[11:02] <grazie> ceil420: synpatic is a useful tool for searching on packages
[11:02] <TheSheep> apt-cache search is even more so
[11:02] <ceil420> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[11:02] <ceil420>   nvidia-glx-new
[11:02] <ceil420> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[11:02] <ceil420>   nvidia-glx
[11:02] <ceil420> do i want to continue? :o
[11:03] <ceil420> i wouldn't even ask, except i'm not used to replacing -new with 'not new'
[11:04] <TheSheep> no idea what nvidia-glx-new is O.o
[11:10] <TheSheep> !nfo nvidia-glx-new
[11:10] <TheSheep> !info nvidia-glx-new
[11:10] <ubotu> Package nvidia-glx-new does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[11:10] <ceil420> o_O
[11:10] <TheSheep> I hope that won't break something :P
[11:10] <ceil420> me too <_<
[11:10] <TheSheep> you used some automatix or something like that?
[11:10] <ceil420> well i can still see stuff :p
[11:10] <ceil420> no
[11:10] <ceil420> only thing i can think of is it mysteriously came with Beryl or something when i tried that out
[11:10] <ceil420> but i don't remember specifically upgrading nvidia drivers
[11:10] <TheSheep> ceil420: you tried beryl and it worked?
[11:10] <TheSheep> ceil420: then you already have the right drivers
[11:10] <TheSheep> yes, they came with beryl
[11:10] <ceil420> i didn't say it worked -_-
[11:10] <ceil420> hence, "tried" :x
[11:10] <TheSheep> ah, install also nvidia-xconfig and run it from a text console
[11:10] <ceil420> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[11:10] <ceil420>   nvidia-glx
[11:10] <ceil420> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[11:10] <ceil420>   nvidia-xconfig
[11:10] <ceil420> didn't i just install nvidia-glx? :o
[11:10] <TheSheep> :/
[11:11] <TheSheep> ok, forget nvidia-xconfig, just edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf by hand :)
[11:11] <ceil420> oh that file :x i knew that sounded familiar
[11:11] <ceil420> what do i do to it?
[11:12] <TheSheep> find a line that says 'driver "nv"' and replace it with 'driver "nvidia"'
[11:13] <ceil420> lol
[11:13] <ceil420> i just changed that from "nvidia" to "nv" yesterday :p
[11:13] <TheSheep> why?
[11:13] <ceil420> i forget why, but i think it was related to the Beryl problem i was having
[11:14] <ceil420> what's the difference between 'nv' and 'nvidia'?
[11:14] <TheSheep> well, you need "nvidia" to run beryl too
[11:14] <TheSheep> nv is the open source driver written by the linux devs
[11:14] <TheSheep> nvidia is a proprietary, closed-source, binary driver offered by nvidia itself
[11:15] <TheSheep> it's less stable, takes more memory, but supports hardware acceleration
[11:15] <ceil420> and that means Opacity won't slow me down?
[11:15] <ceil420> (as much)
[11:15] <ceil420> or "Compositing", whatever it's called
[11:16] <TheSheep> the whole desktop will be faster than now (even with opacity enabled)
[11:16] <ceil420> neat
[11:16] <TheSheep> and all the 3d games like quake wll be working
[11:20] <ceil420> i've been thinking of installing quake lately :p if Wine can take it :x
[11:20] <ceil420> and "Opacity of windows during move" even nicked down a little bit is still much laggy, but almost nothing with just "Window decorations"
[11:20] <ceil420> which makes my panel look nice
[11:21] <TheSheep> ceil420: there is a linux native binary for quake
[11:22] <ceil420> what, free?
[11:22] <TheSheep> ceil420: binary is free, game data must be copied from your quake cd
[11:22] <ceil420> i suppose id has a how-to on their site somewhere?
[11:22] <ceil420> (i'm too busy to do it now)
[11:23] <ceil420> (i also hope my quake CD still reads -_- my Ultimate Doom cd doesn't ;x)
[11:23] <TheSheep> ceil420: the binaries for quake and quake2 are in the ubuntu repos
[11:23] <ceil420> that's handy :p
[11:23] <TheSheep> ceil420: there are also binaries for doom, by the way
[11:24] <ceil420> but i can't get the doom data with the CD not reading ><
[11:24] <TheSheep> lots of free data for doom around :)
[11:26] <ceil420> yeah, i vaguely remember seeing a site with a lot of different doom mods and whatnot :p
[11:27] <TheSheep> ceil420: there is a number of nice native linux games, may of them free
[11:27] <TheSheep> ceil420: most shooters are multiplayer only, though
[11:28] <ceil420> is there a site with a list or something?
[11:28] <TheSheep> I think there are quite a few such sites
[11:28] <TheSheep> just google for linux games
[11:28] <ceil420> i've gone over the Games in Add/Remove a coupla times, but there's not many games i wanna download based on a short paragraph :p
[11:29] <TheSheep> there are also some commercial games for linux, and linux versions of windows games
[11:30] <ceil420> yeah, i know there's UT for linux and such
[11:36] <ceil420> i wish the Feisty Xubuntu still had the 'mouse wheel' splash screen :(
[11:38] <j1mc> ceil420, it's available, you just have to select it.
[11:38] <ceil420> j1mc, i don't see it...
[11:39] <ceil420> "None", "Balou", "Mice", "Simple"
[11:39] <j1mc> oh, wait . . . i don't see it, either.
[11:39] <ceil420> :x
[11:39] <j1mc> :(
[11:39] <j1mc> hehe
[11:39] <ceil420> that was my favourite one ><
[11:39] <j1mc> i wonder why that was removed.  who uses "simple"?
[11:44] <TheSheep> I used to have a screenshot of my desktop as the splash screen, but it was a bit confusing :)
[11:46] <kalikiana_> ceil420, The "wheel" being 'Xubuntu'?
[11:47] <ceil420> i can't remember what it was called; i set it the day i got Edgy and never changed it
[11:47] <ceil420> but the mouse was running inside the Xubuntu 'wheel' logo thing
[11:47] <ceil420> animated
[11:47] <ceil420> lol
[11:47] <kalikiana_> ceil420, Sounds like it. Strange that they took it out.
[11:48] <ceil420> yeah :x
[12:30] <j1mc> !wesnoth
[12:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wesnoth - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:30] <j1mc> !liferea
[12:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about liferea - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:42] <sunnz2> Well there are people with high end computer but like the simiplicity of Xfce4 right?
[12:43] <j1mc> sunnz2, heck yes.
[12:44] <sunnz2> GOooood.
[12:44] <sunnz2> So there must be people on Xubuntu who loves to use XGL/AiGLX right?
[12:44] <sunnz2> I mean, all you need is a graphics card for it....
[12:45] <j1mc> yes.  :)  it works.
[12:50] <WaterSevenUb> Xubuntu ISO's are released today?
[12:52] <j1mc> WaterSevenUb, they will be.  check out #ubuntu-release-party, if you dare.  :)  there's a lot of traffic in there.  :)
[12:52] <WaterSevenUb> j1mc, yeah, madness :-) thanks.
[02:49] <eirikbar> xubuntu torrent? where?
[02:53] <kalikiana> eirikbar, Please try to use complete sentences. ;) You should look on (x)ubuntu.org I suggest.
[02:59] <frandavid100> hiya
[03:00] <frandavid100> is the topic right? is xubuntu 7.04 out?
[03:01] <Bad_Seed> Beta. Final is not out yet
[03:01] <frandavid100> oh. is it due today?
[03:02] <Bad_Seed> I don't know. But I hope so :-)
[03:02] <frandavid100> let's cross our fingers!
[03:05] <william_> In Xubuntu how do i change my sreen resolution ?
[03:05] <Bad_Seed> I'm trying to get into http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/ to see if it's already out but the site is almost dead :-/
[03:05] <frandavid100> could someone give me a link to the beta bittorrent? the downloads page seems not to be working
[03:05] <frandavid100> yup
[03:05] <Bad_Seed> lol
[03:06] <frandavid100> by the way, a stupid question I've been meaning to ask since last week
[03:06] <Qew> william_: left-click on desktop, Settings>Display Settings
[03:07] <frandavid100> how do you access samba shares in xubuntu?
[03:07] <william_> Qew: ta
[03:07] <frandavid100> in ubuntu you just gotta go to places  network, but I haven't found the way in xubuntu
[03:08] <william_> Qew: you mean right click ?
[03:08] <Qew> yeah
[03:08] <Qew> sorry
[03:09] <Qew> next time, I'll label my hands "left" and "right" ;)
[03:11] <william_> Qew: I see no way to change 800/600 to 1024/768
[03:11] <Qew> is it currently on default?
[03:12] <william_> Qew: yes... and there are no other selections
[03:12] <Qew> william_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[03:13] <Qew> go through that
[03:13] <william_> Qew: ok..ta.
[03:17] <michaelpo> is grazie here?
[03:20] <Bad_Seed> frandavid100: http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/feisty/release/desktop/
[03:20] <Bad_Seed> (Don't know if it's the final version)
[03:22] <tonyyarusso> Bad_Seed: it's not.  #ubuntu-release-party
[03:22] <tonyyarusso> Ubuntu 7.04 is not yet out. Please don't ask when it'll be released, we don't know either.  Don't post links to servers until there's an announcement.
[03:22] <frandavid100> thanks Bad_Seed (even if it's the beta)
[03:25] <tonyyarusso> At this point it could be anything, or just broken
[03:28] <michaelpo> grazie: hi
[03:29] <michaelpo> i've installed xubuntu in the harddisk and transferred it into p2 laptop...
[03:30] <michaelpo> grazie: x could not start...
[03:31] <michaelpo> grazie: Failed to start the X server (graphical interface). It is likely that it is not set up correctly. Would you like to view the X server output to diagnose the problem?
[03:32] <hyper_ch> hiho
[03:42] <william_> Qew: I hosed my xserver with that howto but 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg' fixed it up ok.
[03:44] <Qew> ah, good to know you found a way
[03:44] <Merchelo> michaelpo: it's best to do a clean install of xubuntu onto the laptop itself, rather than installing it on a seperate machine, then transferring the HD's, as it would have picked up the first machines spec, and used those, to try and work on your laptop.
[03:47] <grazie> michaelpo: hi....shouldn't take long to sort out
[03:47] <grazie> grazie: bit busy at the moment... but let's get started
[03:47] <grazie> michaelpo: ^^
[03:48] <grazie> michaelpo: do you know what video card? "lspci | grep -i vga" if not
[03:49] <grazie> michaelpo: sorry....first can you get a virtual console with alt+ctl+f1?
[03:50] <grazie> michaelpo: if not reboot using recovery mode
[03:50] <michaelpo> i dont know what video card i have...
[03:50] <michaelpo> after the splash screen... it gives the error message....
[03:51] <grazie> michaelpo: can you get a virtual console with alt+ctl+f1?
[03:51] <michaelpo> nono... not after... it is during the bootup time....
[03:51] <michaelpo> i cannot get virtual console....
[03:51] <grazie> michaelpo: reboot using recovery mode
[03:51] <michaelpo> how do i get recovery mode?
[03:52] <grazie> michaelpo: isn't it in the grub boot menu?
[03:52] <michaelpo> the error message asked yes or not to view x server output...
[03:52] <michaelpo> boot menu? nope... it is halfway booting up...
[03:53] <michaelpo> holdon... i did a ctrl-alt-f2...
[03:53] <grazie> michaelpo: yeah that error standard...no point looking at the details yet.
[03:53] <michaelpo> it is in the command login screem....
[03:54] <grazie> login
[03:54] <michaelpo> the thing is, my p4 has a ati radeon card.... the old p2 has dont know what... intel maybe....
[03:54] <michaelpo> or acer video?
[03:54] <michaelpo> ok... logged in...
[03:54] <michaelpo> i'm in terminal
[03:54] <grazie> michaelpo: we can sort it. just follow the instructrions
[03:55] <grazie> michaelpo: enter "lspci | grep -i vga"
[03:55] <michaelpo> shoot
[03:55] <michaelpo> i cannot type |  i can only get \
[03:56] <grazie> michaelpo: was does "lspci | grep -i vga" return?
[03:56] <michaelpo> i cannot type | , i can only type \
[03:56] <michaelpo> shift+\ = \
[03:56] <grazie> michaelpo: what country are you?
[03:56] <michaelpo> malaysia
[03:57] <grazie> !!!
[03:57] <michaelpo> ok...
[03:57] <grazie> that a new one for me :)
[03:57] <michaelpo> i mean... the keyboard did not return | when i type shift\
[03:57] <michaelpo> ok... i type lspci
[03:58] <michaelpo> filtering vga gives
[03:58] <grazie> ok just enter "lspci" then and look for the line with VGA
[03:58] <michaelpo> looking for vga
[03:58] <TheSheep> lscpi | grep VGA
[03:58] <michaelpo> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Trident Microsystems Cyber 9525 (rev 49)
[03:58] <TheSheep> lspci
[03:59] <TheSheep> yay! trident! \o/
[03:59] <anego> hi, when is the updatemanager expected to show xubuntu 7.04?
[03:59] <grazie> michaelpo: we'll use vesa for now
[03:59] <michaelpo> trident sucks?
[03:59] <grazie> TheSheep: can you take over?
[04:00] <michaelpo> grazie, thanks...
[04:00] <michaelpo> grazie, sorry to interupt
[04:00] <grazie> michaelpo: yeah just using vesa until we've sorted a bit more out
[04:01] <michaelpo> ok... how do i use vesa?
[04:01] <grazie> michaelpo: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf...."sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.congf"
[04:01] <grazie> michaelpo: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf...."sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[04:02] <grazie> michaelpo: ignore the first error!
[04:02] <michaelpo> ?
[04:02] <grazie> michaelpo: you don't understand something?
[04:02] <michaelpo> i type the whole command? edit till congf?
[04:03] <grazie> michaelpo: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:03] <michaelpo> there is .... ?
[04:03] <michaelpo> ok
[04:03] <michaelpo> it is blank
[04:03] <michaelpo> ?
[04:04] <michaelpo> ok.. later...
[04:05] <TheSheep> grazie: sorry, was afk :(
[04:05] <michaelpo> oh crap
[04:05] <michaelpo> my shift key is not working??
[04:05] <TheSheep> michaelpo: left or right?
[04:05] <michaelpo> both left and right
[04:06] <Slick> hey guys, I'm trying to play a VCD in xubuntu, but can't find any programs which will do the job, the closest I've got is using xine movie player, which will play the images but not audio, it also states that the audio codec: MPEG layer 2/3 is unsupported
[04:06] <Slick> does anyone have any suggestions for other software or how to install the audio codec?
[04:07] <j1mc> Slick: not sure, but maybe try VLC?
[04:07] <TheSheep> Slick: vlc should work fine
[04:08] <Slick> I tried VLC first and that doesn't show either the video or the sound
[04:08] <TheSheep> Slick: you also might install libxine-extracodecs
[04:08] <TheSheep> !codecs | Slick
[04:08] <ubotu> Slick: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:10] <grazie> michaelpo: I'm back
[04:11] <michaelpo> grazie: both my shift keys are not working
[04:11] <michaelpo> i cant get X11.. i only get x11
[04:11] <grazie> michaelpo: you must have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, otherwise you wouldn't be getting that error
[04:11] <albert> slick: did you install extra codecs?
[04:12] <grazie> michaelpo: does caps lock work?
[04:12] <michaelpo> grazie: yes i have X11 folder....
[04:12] <Slick> albert: I'm just doing it atm
[04:12] <michaelpo> grazie: caps lock dont work too...
[04:12] <albert> stick: ok, you'll be fine then
[04:13] <grazie> michaelpo: erm...how do we sort this one?
[04:13] <grazie> michaelpo: you have another machine with linux that works?
[04:13] <michaelpo> yes... this one here...
[04:13] <somerville32> Omgz, things are crazy
[04:14] <tonyyarusso> somerville32: noticed eh?
[04:14] <grazie> michaelpo: i thought you installed linux on the hd with another machine?
[04:14] <michaelpo> grazie: correct....
[04:15] <michaelpo> i've got one p2, which i'm trying to install xubuntu on and one p4, which is this one...
[04:15] <grazie> michaelpo: does the p4 have a version a linux installed that works?
[04:15] <michaelpo> i installed xubuntu on the p4, transferred the harddisk to p2...
[04:16] <michaelpo> the p4 is on linux... linuxmint2.1
[04:16] <grazie> scream!
[04:16] <grazie> ok
[04:16] <michaelpo> scream? why?
[04:16] <michaelpo> linuxmint2.2 i think....
[04:17] <michaelpo> grazie: i think we need to get the keyboard sorted out as well?
[04:17] <grazie> michaelpo: both malaysian machines/ (talking keyboards here)
[04:17] <michaelpo> malaysian keyboard?
[04:18] <grazie> michaelpo: yes
[04:18] <michaelpo> i think the keyboards are international....
[04:18] <michaelpo> i'm on US keyboard i think... there are no japanese, chinese, korean, indian, russian, greek, thai characters here
[04:19] <grazie> michaelpo: yes we need to sort the keyboard yes, but I don't understand why you didn't a get a malaysian config when you installed
[04:19] <grazie> michaelpo: we'll keyboard to us then
[04:19] <grazie> we'll set*
[04:19] <michaelpo> i did set it to us...
[04:20] <grazie> then the keyboard mustn't be us
[04:20] <michaelpo> maybe it is 10 years old us keyboard?
[04:20] <Slick> TheSheep: I keep getting errors such as Package libxine-extracodecs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[04:20] <Slick> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[04:20] <Slick> is only available from another source
[04:21] <michaelpo> grazie, do you think i should take out the harddisk, and edit the x11 file on this p4 machine?
[04:21] <grazie> michaelpo: computer keyboards have been pretty stand for a long time
[04:21] <grazie> michaelpo: that may the easiest solution
[04:21] <michaelpo> ok hold on...
[04:21] <grazie> may be*
[04:21] <michaelpo> i poweroff?
[04:22] <grazie> michaelpo: yes, of course
[04:22] <michaelpo> sudo shutdown now?
[04:22] <grazie> sudo shutdown -h now
[04:23] <michaelpo> then poweroff?
[04:23] <grazie> that will
[04:23] <michaelpo> yup.. it did...
[04:23] <michaelpo> hold on... i'll unscrew now...
[04:24] <j1mc> !feisty
[04:24] <ubotu> FEISTY IS OUT! Party in #ubuntu-release-party
[04:24] <Bad_Seed> Feisty is finally out according to #ubuntu-release-party :D
[04:24] <Bad_Seed> You beat me :(
[04:24] <Bad_Seed> http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/07/04/19/1331231.shtml
[04:26] <anego> will the update be available by update-manager this time?
[04:26] <somerville32> Yes.
[04:26] <Howdy125> Slick, maybe this will help .. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu
[04:26] <anego> sounds like it's a good idea not to ask when :D
[04:29] <j1mc> Bad_Seed: i beat you by one second.  :-P
[04:31] <Slick> Howdy125: Thanks I'm giving it a go
[04:32] <Howdy125> Slick, yw . gl
[04:33] <michaelpo> grazie: i've got the p2 harddisk connected
[04:34] <michaelpo> grazie, i got xorg.conf open with gedit
[04:35] <jd> thx for the release dudes
[04:35] <bao_gong> anyone know where we can find xubuntu feisty torrents?
[04:36] <anego> yeah, thanks a lot =)
[04:37] <jd> nope sorry, as far as i'm concerned i wait for the website to be ok ^^
[04:38] <grazie> michaelpo: great! You installed ubuntu?
[04:38] <somerville32> Woot! :)
[04:38] <jd> would be great to reach the torents ^^
[04:39] <michaelpo> grazie: i'm currently on my p4 with linuxmint2.2... i've connected the p2 harddisk using usb cable...
[04:39] <somerville32> I'm working on it guys
[04:39] <michaelpo> grazie: i've got the p2 harddisk installed with xubuntu 7.04beta
[04:40] <The-Doc> hello, where to get xubuntu 7.04 torrent ? i only see the beta in the website :s
[04:40] <somerville32> The-Doc, We're working on it :)
[04:40] <j1mc> http://torrent.ubuntu.com/
[04:40] <Pumpernickel> The-Doc: It's being updated, check back in a bit.
[04:40] <grazie> michaelpo: so have you booted the p2 hd on the p4?
[04:40] <somerville32> There she be
[04:41] <The-Doc> oh ok ^^
[04:41] <The-Doc> thanks :)
[04:41] <michaelpo> grazie, i booted p4 with linuxmint2.2 .... i've got p2 harddisk connected with a ide-usb cable....
[04:41] <somerville32> Xubuntu 7.04 Torrents for Live Cd and Alternative can be found here: http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/feisty/release/
[04:42] <grazie> michaelpo: have you ever booted the p2 hd on the p4?
[04:42] <michaelpo> grazie: you know, like internal harddisk using external casing...
[04:43] <grazie> michaelpo: I need to know whether the p2 hd has got a good install
[04:43] <grazie> michaelpo: can the p4 boot from a usb drive?
[04:43] <Pumpernickel> bah
[04:44] <tonyyarusso> Pumpernickel: put the i386 torrent in the topic, people can adjust it if needed
[04:44] <Pumpernickel> Maybe I'll tinyurl it...
[04:44] <The-Doc> hehe
[04:44] <Pumpernickel> tonyyarusso: Alternate or desktop?
[04:45] <michaelpo> grazie: yes, i installed xubuntu on the p2 harddisk on the p4 machine... then i booted it up on the p4 machine....
[04:45] <tonyyarusso> Pumpernickel: desktop probably, or {alternate,desktop}, but then no copy-paste...
[04:45] <tonyyarusso> darn topic limits
[04:45] <grazie> michaelpo: did you say the p2 is a laptop?
[04:45] <michaelpo> grazie, both p2 and p4 are laptops....
[04:46] <bao_gong> thanks Pumpernickel! cant wait to get a taste of feisty!
[04:47] <Pumpernickel> woot
[04:47] <grazie> michaelpo: lets edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf as before then. you'll need to mount the p2 hd first
[04:47] <jd_> thx a lot !
[04:47] <michaelpo> grazie, my p4 cannot do usb boot... but after i installed p2 harddisk, i've booted it up on the p4 machine...
[04:48] <Slick> now xine movie player is freezing and I'm getting the error 'no MRL'
[04:48] <michaelpo> grazie, my p2 harddisk is mounted on my p4 machine... via usb cable....
[04:48] <grazie> michaelpo: ok. let's just edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf. you'll need to mount the p2 hd first
[04:48] <grazie> michaelpo: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
[04:49] <michaelpo> grazie, ive got the xorg.conf file open using gedit
[04:49] <grazie> grazie: replace ati with vesa
[04:49] <grazie> michaelpo: ^^
[04:49] <michaelpo> where is the ati?
[04:51] <grazie> michaelpo: the should be a line ... Driver         "ati"
[04:51] <grazie> there should*
[04:51] <grazie> in Section "Device"
[04:52] <michaelpo> grazie, i've private message the file
[04:52] <michaelpo> grazie, i've private message you part of the file that has ati in it
[04:52] <grazie> michaelpo: pastebin is better
[04:52] <grazie> !paste | michaelpo
[04:52] <ubotu> michaelpo: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:53] <grazie> michaelpo: for future reference :)
[04:53] <grazie> michaelpo: make backup of /etc/X11/xorg.conf first
[04:53] <michaelpo> pastebin? ok.. future... thanks.. so i just change the driver to "vesa" only? how about the other ati entries...?
[04:54] <michaelpo> i need sudo access....
[04:54] <Slick> hey guys, thanks for the help my VCD is now playing, I installed all the codecs you suggested, which made xine freeze up at first, but after a restart its working now =)
[04:54] <grazie> michaelpo: yes
[04:55] <grazie> michaelpo: cd /etc/X11
[04:55] <grazie> michaelpo: sudo cp xorg.conf  xorg.conf.backup
[04:58] <tictacaddict> I installed xubuntu edgy for some friends and I want to upgrade them to fiesty, what program should I use for that?  and have there been any upgrade issues like with dapper to edgy?
[04:58] <Howdy125> yw Slick
[04:58] <grazie> michaelpo: does the p2 keyboard work with any OS? That that shift key not working is possibly a keyboard failure
[04:59] <Howdy125> tictacaddict, I've had trouble upgrading .. thats about all I can say about it.
[04:59] <michaelpo> grazie, the p2 works with win98, win2000, damnsmalllinux....
[05:00] <michaelpo> grazie, the p2 keyboard works with win98, win2000, damnsmalllinux....
[05:00] <grazie> good
[05:01] <grazie> michaelpo: are you going to put hd back in machine?
[05:01] <Nullbyte> Hay guyz
[05:01] <Nullbyte> Is Xubuntu 7.04 out yet?
[05:01] <michaelpo> wait... i'm trying... to get su gedit command to work....
[05:01] <tonyyarusso> Nullbyte: yes
[05:01] <grazie> michaelpo: no
[05:01] <tonyyarusso> see /topic
[05:02] <grazie> michaelpo: sudo gedit xorg.conf
[05:02] <michaelpo> i cannot save as im not root...
[05:06] <michaelpo> ok.. done...
[05:06] <sunnz2> Ahhh now xubuntu is down too?
[05:06] <michaelpo> i'm putting the p2 harddisk back into the p2 now... holdon while i screw it...
[05:06] <tictacaddict> Howdy125: what method did you try?
[05:06] <tictacaddict> I am probably going to try an upgrade from the cd
[05:07] <Howdy125> tictacaddict, gksudo "update-manager" -c -d
[05:08] <grazie> michaelpo: when you boot X it probably still fail, but we can sort it. Still not sure how to fix the keyboard problem though
[05:08] <tictacaddict> Howdy125: what happened for you?  (and what are the -c and -d options?)
[05:09] <michaelpo> grazie... ok
[05:10] <Howdy125> Those options check for a new release I believe .. like form 6.06 to 6.60 to 7.04 .. tictacaddict
[05:10] <Howdy125> from*
[05:11] <Howdy125> 6.60 = 6.10 .. grrr
[05:11] <michaelpo> grazie: it works... i just logged into X
[05:11] <Howdy125> And I forget what the errors were tictacaddict  .. were alot of them so I just installed 7.04 from scratch
[05:12] <TheSheep> Slick: you're still there? you must probably enable the universe and multiverse repositories
[05:12] <tictacaddict> alright, well for now I'm just downloading the alternate install cd, I'll try that first
[05:12] <tictacaddict> if I have problems I may stop by here : )
[05:12] <tictacaddict> thanks for the info Howdy125
[05:13] <tictacaddict> bye
[05:13] <Howdy125> tictacaddict,  yw .. gl
[05:13] <grazie> michaelpo: great! what about the keyboard?
[05:14] <j1mc> w00t xubuntu!!!!  =)
[05:14] <michaelpo> grazie: starting abiword
[05:14] <michaelpo> grazie: keyboard works... but shiftkey still broken...
[05:15] <grazie> that's very odd
[05:15] <michaelpo> do i go settings to fix the keyboard?
[05:15] <michaelpo> i see a keyboard settings...
[05:16] <grazie> michaelpo: if it's feisty maybe you can (not sure)
[05:17] <michaelpo> it way 105 key... i selected 101.. still not working...
[05:18] <grazie> michaelpo: you may be best googling for your p2 model
[05:18] <michaelpo> i've googled... nothing...
[05:18] <michaelpo> capslock works with 102keys
[05:18] <grazie> michaelpo: what model?
[05:18] <grazie> michaelpo: and make of course?
[05:19] <grazie> michaelpo: well seem like you're getting somewhere
[05:19] <michaelpo> acer travelmate 331t p2
[05:19] <michaelpo> acer travelmate 331t
[05:20] <michaelpo> hold on... caps do work in 105 as well while in X... but not in terminal?
[05:24] <grazie> michaelpo: you'll need "install-keymap" for the terminal and edit xorg.conf for X
[05:24] <grazie> michaelpo: but you need to find out the setting for that machine first
[05:25] <michaelpo> grazie: what machine setting? keyboard setting?
[05:25] <michaelpo> i just tried the screen resolution, it hang.... i've rebooted.. and back in x now...
[05:26] <Slick> TheSheep: its working now thanks
[05:29] <michaelpo> grazie: its 1130pm here now... i better get some sleep....
[05:29] <michaelpo> grazie: i'll try to fix the rest of the stuff another night.... thanks...
[05:35] <michaelpo> grazie: i'm going now...
[05:35] <michaelpo> byebye... thanks...
[05:35] <michaelpo> exit
[06:07] <WaterSevenUb> Hi. I decided to give a try to Xubuntu but... display looks terrible :-/ I've used restricted drivers to install ATI drivers for Radeon 9600... but I can't set the resolution higher than 800x600, when it should be 1400x1050. Then, I had to blacklist bcm43xx since it was giving error loading in the boot. I've also had to change /etc/fstab not to check the hard drives since it was taking forever the startup. Then I uninstalled ATI Radeon drivers 
[06:08] <WaterSevenUb> Now, my display is looking terrible... very small fonts.
[06:08] <WaterSevenUb> And kind of blurry.
[06:08] <Merchelo> !ati
[06:08] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:09] <WaterSevenUb> Merchelo, so what's the point of the new tool in the menu? :)
[06:10] <Merchelo> did you install the ATI specific driver
[06:10] <Merchelo> hold on, i'll get the name now
[06:10] <WaterSevenUb> Merchelo, I have used the Restricted Drivers Manager ....
[06:11] <WaterSevenUb> Anyway, even without 3D I should be able to set screen resolution to higher than 800x600...
[06:12] <Nullbyte> Try editing your xorg.conf?`
[06:18] <Merchelo> !google fglrx install
[06:19] <WaterSevenUb> Thank you.
[06:31] <GhostTrax> anybody know the best method of installing xubuntu on a thumbdrive
[06:32] <sn-> GhostTrax there is information on the wiki.ubuntu.com page if you search, for usb based livecd :)
[06:32] <GhostTrax> thx
[06:32] <sn-> np
[06:40] <Catoptromancy_> Anyone try installing ndiswrapper?
[06:40] <Catoptromancy_> $ fakeroot debian/rules binary-modules
[06:40] <Catoptromancy_> ok what is debain/rules?
[06:40] <Catoptromancy_> I assume I need to type something else....
[06:50] <glanz> Have it installed. It is perfect! Thanks everyone!
[06:51] <somerville32> Woot! :D
[06:52] <glanz> I have 10 installs going on older machines for the "poorer among us"
[06:53] <Lebowski_> is there a way ot convert latest ubuntu installation into Xubuntu or should I just dl the xubuntu image
[06:54] <glanz> I did a "conversion" once by checking all that "xubuntu-desktop" installs
[06:55] <Lebowski_> work smoothly?
[06:55] <glanz> ...then deleting/purging GNOME after reboot.
[06:55] <glanz> Yes worked smoothly for me.
[06:56] <glanz> I recommend using synaptic and choosing the "uninstall w. configs" options.
[06:56] <glanz> It leaves cruft for GNOME stuff that doesn't automatically get deleted but
[06:57] <Lebowski_> thanks
[06:57] <glanz> synaptic will take care of that later under the "auto uninstallable" option or something like that
[06:57] <somerville32> !upgrade
[06:57] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[06:57] <glanz> Make sure your system is udated before doing this
[06:57] <hyper_ch> hiho somerville32
[06:57] <somerville32> Hiya :)
[06:58] <hyper_ch> xubi feisty is also out?
[06:58] <Lebowski_> anyone try the powerpc versions yet?  they stable?
[06:59] <Merchelo> i was just thinking of doing that today, but Z Spec got in the way.
[06:59] <grazie> Lebowski_: ppc was broken a few days ago....as it's not officially supported I doubt it'll be fixed yet
[07:00] <grazie> hyper_ch: hi...yes
[07:00] <hyper_ch> cool :)
[07:00] <hyper_ch> the site is down :)
[07:00] <hyper_ch> or not reacting :)
[07:00] <hyper_ch> people use torrent instead :(
[07:01] <grazie> hyper_ch: torrent is ideal solution for this situation
[07:04] <hyper_ch> grazie: I know
[07:04] <hyper_ch> but more people should use it
[07:06] <grazie> maybe we should be trying to educate more of them
[07:06] <hyper_ch> well, a buddy of mine wanted to download yesterday the beta so that he can just update to him
[07:06] <hyper_ch> I told him to wait and then use torrent
[07:06] <hyper_ch> and he was somewhat weird with regard to torrent.. think it's full of virii and stuff
[07:08] <grazie> i dunno....it may a good idea to release a torrent first in future and the provision that downloaders must also seed
[07:14] <hyper_ch> grazie: btw, did you have any upgrades today?
[07:15] <grazie> hyper_ch: ppc was broken....not checked again
[07:29] <Prodoc> good evenin
[07:29] <hyper_ch> hiho Prodoc
[07:30] <hyper_ch> grazie: I just do the perfect howto for debian etch for ISPConfig :) I run it in a vmware console and I use the normal shell to ssh into the vmware etch server :)
[07:31] <Prodoc> just a quick question just in case... when I want to upgrage xubuntu to 7.04 using the update manager, I get to see 'Welcome to Ubuntu 7.04'. Is this just s minor glitch or will it actually install ubuntu with e.g. gnome?
[07:32] <hyper_ch> Prodoc: I guess that is just a glitch
[07:34] <grazie> Prodoc: ubuntu, xubuntu (and maybe kubuntu) share the update manager package and the same package repos
[07:34] <grazie> hyper_ch: Am I supposed to guess?
[07:35] <hyper_ch> grazie: nah, I just think it's funny because I run Etch in a "terminal" but use another terminal to ssh into :)
[07:51] <Prodoc> hyper_ch, grazie: (sorry for the delay, forgot my pizza int he over) thanks, I'll give it a go than
[07:51] <hyper_ch> I don't mind getting some :)
[07:52] <Prodoc> too late ;-)
[07:52] <Prodoc> gone already
[07:52] <hyper_ch> dammit
[07:52] <hyper_ch> :)
[07:53] <Prodoc> I'll save a piece for you next time ;-)
[07:53] <hyper_ch> *smile*
[07:53] <hyper_ch> Prodoc: do you have /home on a seperate partition?
[07:54] <_aussieman> why doesnt gxine work when i am not connected to a network?
[07:55] <Prodoc> hyper_ch: nope, just a default structure when installing xubuntu
[07:55] <Prodoc> why?
[07:55] <hyper_ch> Prodoc: it's good to have it on its own partition :)
[07:55] <grazie> _aussieman: very odd...start gxine in a terminal and see if you get a helpful error message
[07:55] <Prodoc> how come?
[07:56] <hyper_ch> because your settings and config files for programs are stored there
[07:56] <_aussieman> yes i did it was something about network config
[07:56] <_aussieman> im ovbviously connected now and it works
[07:56] <Will^Draven> well, the update manager hs borked up, guess i'm downloading an iso and doing my upgrade the hard way
[07:56] <_aussieman> next time i go offline ill do it and save the emssage and let you know
[07:56] <hyper_ch> so if you ever want to resetup the system you don't touch the /home partition and just do a reinstall of the software and your computer is new but the same as the old oner :)
[07:57] <Prodoc> aha, I guess there's no easy way to changed that now?
[07:57] <hyper_ch> Will^Draven: I'm sceptical about upgrades... I have my own /home partition and then I install a clean system :)
[07:57] <hyper_ch> Prodoc: have you used the command line?
[07:57] <Cinnander> does the update manager "upgrade to 7.04" just do a apt-get dist-upgrade?
[07:57] <Prodoc> hyper_ch: to some degree yes
[07:58] <hyper_ch> then it's not that difficult
[07:59] <hyper_ch> Cinnander: not quite... it first sets the sources.list to feisty and then it will do the same as dist-upgrade
[07:59] <grazie> Cinnander: update manager has its own interface to apt (not apt-get), so it's done in a slightly different way
[08:00] <hyper_ch> Prodoc: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/separatehome
[08:00] <hyper_ch> Prodoc: that would be how to do it
[08:00] <Prodoc> ah, cheers
[08:01] <Prodoc> I have to wait with the update anyway since the servers seem to be overloaded
[08:01] <Prodoc> :-)
[08:01] <hyper_ch> Prodoc: yeppa... you'd be quicker resizing your partition, setup /home as seperate partition, fetch the iso through torrent and reinstall the system with feisty *smile*
[08:01] <Prodoc> I guess it's a very good sign
[08:02] <hyper_ch> ok, probably not quite true :)
[08:03] <Prodoc> hyper_ch: don't think so spend quite some time getting postgres, apache-perl and the hole lot up and running and don't want to go through that again when I don't have to ;-)
[08:03] <Will^Draven> only thing i'll really lose if i absolutely have to completely wipe my main drive is a couple of movies
[08:03] <hyper_ch> Prodoc: you could have had it the simple way *g*
[08:03] <Will^Draven> and ive already watched them all anyways'
[08:04] <Prodoc> hyper_ch: I always take to hard way ;-)
[08:04] <Prodoc> to=the
[08:05] <Prodoc> keeps me 'alert' :-D
[08:05] <hyper_ch> Prodoc: hard and simple don't exclude each other :)
[08:07] <Prodoc> thanks for the info
[08:08] <hyper_ch> dessert .... tiramisu?
[08:16] <kma> hmm.. xubuntu mirrors?
[08:17] <somerville32> kma, Have you tried torrents yet?
[08:17] <kma> somerville32: trying :)
[08:17] <hyper_ch> kma: torrents aren't quick?
[08:17] <kma> can't get the .torrent file :\
[08:18] <kma> there
[08:18] <Merchelo> easiest way to dist-upgrade?
[08:18] <hyper_ch> kma: http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/feisty/release/
[08:18] <kma> hyper_ch: got it now
[08:18] <kma> hyper_ch: my download for the .torrent file somehow.. stalled :\
[08:18] <kma> at 0% :\
[08:19] <hyper_ch> Merchelo: I tend to think: alter the sources.list to feisty and then sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[08:19] <hyper_ch> kma: oh
[08:19] <kma> but the torrent is quick.. 400kb/s and climbing
[08:19] <Merchelo> yeah, i think i'll wait for a few weeks, so the repos aren't so busy.
[08:19] <somerville32> Don't dist-upgrade
[08:19] <somerville32> Use the upgrade manager
[08:20] <Merchelo> hmm, no need to chage the sources.list?
[08:20] <hyper_ch> Merchelo: listen to somerville32 ^^
[08:20] <somerville32> No need to change sources.list
[08:20] <Merchelo> cools
[08:20] <somerville32> Just run "update-manager -c"
[08:21] <hyper_ch> somerville32: why not dist-upgrade?
[08:21] <somerville32> hyper_ch, the update-manager corrects known issues and lovely stuff
[08:21] <somerville32> dist-upgrade doesn't do that kind of magic
[08:22] <somerville32> Essentially it will do a dist-upgrade
[08:22] <hyper_ch> somerville32: there are issues? ^^
[08:22] <somerville32> It'll just be smart about it.
[08:22] <somerville32> hyper_ch, Always ;] 
[08:22] <hyper_ch> M$ never has issues
[08:22] <hyper_ch> ;)
[08:22] <somerville32> M$ has problems
[08:22] <hyper_ch> lol
[08:23] <kma> M$ never has problems
[08:23] <kma> M$ just have features
[08:23] <kma> or.. questionable features :)
[08:23] <hyper_ch> especially the brand-new power-shell
[08:24] <somerville32> hehe
[08:24] <kma> hyper_ch: slow as hell from what I've heard :)
[08:24] <hyper_ch> I thought shell access is totally outdated
[08:24] <hyper_ch> at least that's what M$ has been telling for years
[08:24] <hyper_ch> everything has to be gui
[08:24] <kma> yeah :)
[08:24] <kma> btw.. if there are any devs in this channel
[08:25] <kma> *hugs* for you guys :)
[08:25] <Merchelo> hmm, does it take a while after i hit the upgrade button?
[08:25] <hyper_ch> Merchelo: very likely... I guess the servers are under heavy load
[08:26] <Merchelo> somerville32: congrats, and thanks.
[08:27] <Merchelo> !randomnonsensicalfactoid
[08:27] <grazie> somerville32: I've had problems with update manager in the past...are these now sorted?
[08:37] <Merchelo> do i have to babysit the upgrade?
[08:37] <Naughtyboy> anyone else expirience slow repos today ;=)) ....guess everyone is installing/updating...
[08:37] <Merchelo> nah Naughtyboy, i'm getting 26b/s
[08:38] <Naughtyboy> hahah
[08:38] <Naughtyboy> yeah..me to...or something like that
[08:38] <hyper_ch> why don't you just get the iso by torrent :) and install a clean system :) wouldn't that be quicker ^^
[08:39] <Naughtyboy> hyper_ch, : I just reinstalled my system...a server install then manually adding the packages from repos....thats whats slow for me
[08:39] <Naughtyboy> FFS
[08:39] <hyper_ch> Naughtyboy: you could torrent the dvd :) shouldn't there be most stuff on it?
[08:41] <hyper_ch> hmmm, can "torrent" be used as a verb?
[08:42] <Merchelo> yes, it can
[08:43] <hyper_ch> good :)
[08:43] <hyper_ch> one day I will also make a verb that will then be used eternally be people :)
[08:44] <hyper_ch> be --> by
[08:44] <Merchelo> yeah, i was thinking of a way in which people upgraded thier systems through torrenting, instead of direct downloading from a server, people would get the upgrades off each other.
[08:45] <grazie> we're trying are best to encourage the use of torrents
[08:45] <grazie> our best*
[08:45] <Merchelo> aww, cannot connect to security.ubuntu.com :(
[08:46] <hyper_ch> if you are bored you can download this presentation (link on the bottom): http://www.mindjack.com/feature/piracy051305.html
[08:46] <grazie> prolly get worse before it gets better :(
[08:49] <Howdy125> I'm glad I got mine the other day even though it said beta .. I'm sure it's the real thing.
[08:58] <Naughtyboy> hyper_ch, : yeah sure I could have torrented the DVD..I also could have installde Vista or slackware...or mabye had 10mill on my bank account....but I decided to do this..and I like it....it wasn't nagin...just stating the fact that it is slow today..  ;=))
[08:58] <hyper_ch> Naughtyboy: if you don't want the 10mill on your bank I'll take them ;)
[08:59] <TheSheep> Naughtyboy: then what are you complainging for?
[08:59] <Naughtyboy> hahah...ypu would...wouldn' you....
[08:59] <Naughtyboy> TheSheep, : I rest my case....read my post again..
[09:00] <TheSheep> Naughtyboy: then what are you complaining for?
[09:01] <TheSheep> :d
[09:01] <Naughtyboy> I wasn complaining...as I said...just stating the fact....
[09:01] <Naughtyboy> ;=))
[09:01] <Naughtyboy> yeah plzz..do that..
[09:01] <Naughtyboy> ;=9
[09:02] <TheSheep> it's kind of... indecent doing it here
[09:03] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: plz don't go - who is going to solve my problems if you are not here :)
[09:03] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: I'ss keep solving problemz here, I'll just troll elsewhere :)
[09:03] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: you don't troll :)
[09:04] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: that's hwat *you* think
[09:05] <TheSheep> anyways, sorry Naughtyboy
[09:05] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: I don't think :)
[09:05] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: that makes life easier
[09:05] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: indeed
[09:05] <Naughtyboy> TheSheep, : no worries m8... :=))
[09:06] <TheSheep> ignorance is bliss
[09:10] <TheSheep> Howdy125: how about weather?
[09:10] <DisabledDuck> hi, how much system memory does xfce take?
[09:10] <Howdy125> I live in the pacific northwest and the sun is out .. hard to complain about that TheSheep  .. :)
[09:11] <TheSheep> DisabledDuck: it takes 68.3 megabytes on my p500 with 192M ram
[09:11] <TheSheep> DisabledDuck: I mean the whole xubuntu
[09:11] <DisabledDuck> not bad
[09:11] <TheSheep> Howdy125: you can complain that you can;t complain about weather! that's inhuman!
[09:12] <DisabledDuck> i want to run an ftp server and i'm running off of Ubuntu Server... and it's more of a pain to disable all the crap i DON'T want then to just start off small and add what i want instead
[09:12] <TheSheep> DisabledDuck: it actually depends on how much ram you have and what programs you have started
[09:12] <TheSheep> DisabledDuck: use debian :)
[09:12] <DisabledDuck> TheSheep: lol... i was never a fan of debian based distro's till i tried ubuntu
[09:14] <DisabledDuck> heh
[09:14] <DisabledDuck> i'm a complete noob when it comes to setting up an ftp server over the internet, i have NO idea what i'm doing right now
[09:15] <kalikiana> DisabledDuck, Everyone has been a noob once, it's no shame doing something for the first time ;)
[09:16] <DisabledDuck> anyone know of a good guide to set me up? i don't even know whats required to do it
[09:17] <tinloaf> hi. i've got some sort of problem: during my dist-upgrade, the computer crashed, and now it "cant guess meta-package"
[09:17] <grazie> DisabledDuck: pyschocat's guides are but not sure there's an ftp one...lemme check
[09:17] <grazie> are good*
[09:17] <tinloaf> i thought of installing the xubuntu-desktop meta-package via aptitude, but in this case aptitude will update a whole lot of packages, and i'm not shure wether this will break even more...
[09:17] <TheSheep> DisabledDuck: well, the fastes way to have an ftp server set up is posting your root password nad ip adres on a werez group
[09:18] <DisabledDuck> ... i may be a noob... i'm not a retard
[09:19] <TheSheep> DisabledDuck: sorry
[09:19] <DisabledDuck> lol
[09:19] <grazie> DisabledDuck: usually not bad either >> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#FTP_Server
[09:19] <godless> #xubuntu is punchy today... heh
[09:21] <godless> I thought the warez suggestion was great! You'll wind up with more software than you know what to do with, at least.. heh
[09:21] <DisabledDuck> thx
[09:23] <godless> oops
[09:23] <godless> I just absent-mindedly ran apt-get update
[09:23] <godless> Not going so well :)
[09:26] <B1zz> was gonna ask question about my wireless card but, we will see with feisty has a fix to it
[09:27] <B1zz> gotta love the torrent man ill have my iso in about an hour as apposed to the 5 hours from the http
[09:27] <godless> Where can I read about feisty's "ground-breaking Windows migration assistant"?
[09:30] <DisabledDuck> anybody know why the ubuntu sites have been down so often lately?
[09:30] <kalikiana> godless, Sounds provocative, is there actually something called that?
[09:30] <kalikiana> godless, Incidentally there should be a migration tool.
[09:31] <B1zz> im looking that up as we speak
[09:32] <B1zz> http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS9881946621.html
[09:32] <B1zz> that has some info on it
[09:34] <nuovo> hi
[09:34] <TheSheep> DisabledDuck: might be connected with the DDOS attack we are experiencing due to so many users trying to download thngs at the same time
[09:35] <nuovo> my printer works but the scanner isn't working
[09:35] <nuovo> says no device found
[09:35] <TheSheep> nuovo: is it supported?
[09:35] <nuovo> Xubuntu doesn't have a scanner dialog?
[09:35] <TheSheep> nuovo: it has 'sane'
[09:35] <godless> kalikiana:  I quoted from the ubuntu press release about 7.04
[09:35] <nuovo> TheSheep: the funny thing is that before it was working
[09:35] <kalikiana> A strange article that is. "Internet Explorer bookmarks, Firefox favorites". Favorites belong to ie.
[09:35] <TheSheep> nuovo: it's possible you need to isntall it
[09:36] <TheSheep> kalikiana: you know them, journalists ;)
[09:36] <nuovo> TheSheep: ohh... I think I know now, 'cause before I went from Ubuntu to Xubuntu so the former took care of all
[09:36] <TheSheep> nuovo: install xsane
[09:36] <nuovo> now I did a brand new Xubuntu install
[09:36] <nuovo> I have it
[09:36] <kalikiana> godless, Yeah, I did not realize it was a quote. Did you find it already? It should be on the live cd I think.
[09:36] <kma> hmm.. does thunar do some safe delete thinge? takes ages to delete files
[09:37] <kma> (edgy)
[09:37] <kalikiana> kma, Thunar deletes to '~/.trash'.
[09:37] <godless> kalikiana:  Don't have feisty yet, won't be bothering until the servers calm down a bit
[09:37] <kma> kalikiana: not when I use shift+del
[09:37] <godless> I have a windows box I can try it out on :)
[09:38] <kalikiana> kma, Thunar does not yet support trashes on multiple drives. With Shift it should not take long.
[09:38] <nuovo> TheSheep: I'
[09:38] <nuovo> I have xsane installed already
[09:38] <kma> kalikiana: wtf.. cpu usage is though the roof
[09:38] <kalikiana> godless, Yeah, I'll wait with the update of my actual system as well.
[09:38] <TheSheep> nuovo: how is your scanner connected? usb? lpt?
[09:39] <kalikiana> kma, Definitely not normal. What did you do?
[09:39] <nuovo> usb
[09:39] <godless> haven't done a xubuntu upgrade yet, have always installed from scratch... But I forgot to put /home on a seperate partition on my most recent box so I'm going to try the upgrade...
[09:39] <godless> I'm a little apprehensive :)
[09:39] <kma> kalikiana: deleted a directory full of source code
[09:39] <TheSheep> nuovo: is the usb device seen at all? see /proc/bus/usb/devices
[09:39] <kma> kalikiana: many small small files
[09:40] <kalikiana> godless, Normally the update should work well, there were users who had issues with the GUI update from dapper to edgy.
[09:40] <kma> seams really slow to delete files of any kind.. very well.. perhaps it gets better with fisty
[09:40] <nuovo> S:  Manufacturer=hp
[09:41] <nuovo> S:  Product=psc 1310 series
[09:41] <nuovo> TheSheep: I am telling you that the printer works
[09:41] <kalikiana> godless, And it's even a bit saver, given the potential risk of destroying the mbr on install.
[09:41] <nuovo> so I don't get why the scanner isn't working
[09:41] <TheSheep> nuovo: ah, so it's a two-in-one device?
[09:41] <nuovo> yeah
[09:41] <godless> kalikiana:  Yeah I remember quite a stir when people were doing dapper->edgy, hence my apprehension. I hate gui issues :(
[09:41] <godless> Not one of those things I find 'fun'
[09:42] <kalikiana> kma, I don't think there will be much difference with Feisty (which version is your Thunar?). Moving lots of files is generally no good thing. :/
[09:42] <kma> version 4.3.99.1 (Xfce 4.4 BETA2)
[09:42] <kma> w8
[09:42] <kma> Thunar 0.4.1svn-r23151
[09:43] <TheSheep> nuovo: saym is it on this list? http://www.sane-project.org/sane-mfgs.html
[09:44] <kalikiana> godless, Actually I think Terminal update worked for everybody. And *I* was one of those lucky ones who just ran GUI update and read a bit later that it was supposed to break everything. :P
[09:44] <nuovo> TheSheep: yeah, I had it working with Ubuntu, it's Xubuntu that isn't detecting it
[09:44] <kalikiana> godless, This is why I'm waiting a while now and not taking the risk ;)
[09:44] <TheSheep> nuovo: disconnecting it and reconnecting doesn't help?
[09:44] <godless> kalikiana:  Hm; but I was just reading in my scrollback that gui upgrade is the best way to go?
[09:45] <TheSheep> nuovo: does dmesg say anything interesting when you do that?
[09:45] <godless> I'm sure we will hear lots in the next few days :)
[09:45] <kalikiana> kma, Is that from 'Thunar --version'? Mine is 0.8.
[09:46] <TheSheep> kalikiana: 0.8 is in xfce 4.4.0
[09:46] <kalikiana> godless, Normally gui is recommended. But for dapper/edgy there was some strange issue which could break everything.
[09:46] <kma> kalikiana: Thunar 0.4.1svn-r23151 (Xfce 4.3.99.1)
[09:46] <kalikiana> TheSheep, Yeah, so why would Thunar suggest it's 0.4?
[09:47] <kma> kalikiana: remember.. this is not fisty
[09:47] <godless> Yeah I'm getting Thunar 0.4.1svn-r23151 (Xfce 4.3.99.1) too. In thought I had upgraded xfce :/
[09:47] <kalikiana> kma, Updating to a stable might be good. (I'm also on Edgy, manually updated xfce)
[09:47] <godless> Oh. On the other box.
[09:47] <godless> Too many boxen!
[09:47] <kma> kalikiana: well, I'm just cleaning up so I can take a backup before I wipe this installation and install feisty
[09:48] <kma> kalikiana: seams weird to start upgrading stuff now :)
[09:48] <kalikiana> kma, This is what I meant, what I said was confusing. I meant Feisty will give you an updated Thunar.
[09:49] <kma> kalikiana: :)
[09:49] <nuovo> TheSheep: this? drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: usblp0: removed
[09:50] <kma> gah.. cdburning under linux.. always a hell for me
[09:50] <nuovo> how should the scanner be configured?
[09:50] <TheSheep> kma: yeah, the error messages about the file names are totally broken
[09:50] <kma> TheSheep: ??
[09:51] <TheSheep> kma: trial and error until you locate the file with offending name and rename it
[09:51] <TheSheep> kma: I hate that
[09:51] <kma> TheSheep: WHAT?
[09:51] <kma> kalikiana: well.. cdrecord myiso.iso seams to do the trick :)
[09:51] <TheSheep> kma: you know, most burning p[rograms wont even tell you the error message or the file that cause d it, just "burning failed"
[09:52] <TheSheep> ah, iso files
[09:52] <kma> TheSheep: or in my case.. Operation successful :)
[09:52] <TheSheep> that's a different story :)
[09:52] <nuovo> why Ubuntu can detect my scanner and not Xubuntu!!!
[09:52] <TheSheep> nuovo: that's pretty weird
[09:53] <DisabledDuck> noob question
[09:53] <TheSheep> nuovo: did you use xsane on ubuntu too?
[09:53] <DisabledDuck> how do you rename files again?
[09:53] <TheSheep> DisabledDuck: mv oldfilename newfilename
[09:53] <nuovo> TheSheep: I don't know it automatically everything was set up
[09:53] <TheSheep> DisabledDuck: or roght click them on thunar and choose rename
[09:53] <DisabledDuck> thx
[09:54] <TheSheep> !botsnack
[09:54] <ubotu> Yum!
[09:56] <kma> hmm
[09:56] <kma> is there any nice tool to graph disk usage under a directory? :)
[09:56] <TheSheep> kma: the baobab was very nice
[09:56] <TheSheep> kma: but got integrated with gnome
[09:57] <kma> OH NOES
[09:57] <TheSheep> kma: now you need half the gnome installed to use it
[09:57] <kma> :(
[09:57] <kma> btw.. is Transmission in the feisty repos?
[09:57] <Naughtyboy> guys...got a little wierd thing with mplayer....
[09:57] <kma> erh.. why do I even ask.. I will know soon enough
[09:58] <Naughtyboy> when I go from windowed mode to fullscreen..the mplayer-controlpanel refuses to disapear...?!?!?!
[09:58] <kma> baobab seams nice
[09:58] <TheSheep> kma: it's very handy
[09:58] <grazie> kma: I don't think so, but deluge is. If you can't wait use http://packages.ubuntu.com
[09:59] <kma> grazie: argh.. I tried deluge.. it was horrible
[09:59] <nuovo> guys HPDJ or HPIJS?
[10:01] <nuovo> I think is HPIJS
[10:01] <kma> grazie: I couldn't even remove torrents
[10:01] <TheSheep> grazie: who'd use gui for torrents? they are for leaving on a server on a screen and checking next week
[10:01] <kma> grazie: it hanged for me on several occactions
[10:02] <grazie> I've had problems whatever with deluge
[10:02] <grazie> ooops! no problems
[10:03] <kma> strange :)
[10:03] <kma> well, new version of transmission is out aswell.. I think I will use that one
[10:05] <kma> hmm.. 7.5g left in my home dir
[10:05] <kma> btw, getting flash to work on 64bit.. big hassle?
[10:06] <kalikiana> My system froze now completely two times, every time during a fusesmb file movement.
[10:06] <kalikiana> Does anyone know about this?
[10:06] <TheSheep> no, but fusesmb is experimental
[10:07] <kalikiana> Yes it is. But until the day before yesterday *nothing* like that had happened.
[10:08] <nuovo> motherfucker scanner
[10:09] <Howdy125> Is that a new brand of scanner ;-/
[10:09] <nuovo> no :-(
[10:10] <nuovo> hp all-in-one psc 1315
[10:10] <Howdy125> Sorry .. I couldn't resist .. :)
[10:10] <nuovo> and it worked wonderfully with Ubuntu, it's after installing Xubuntu that isn't working
[10:10] <tonyyarusso> nuovo: I have the 1310, never had trouble..(but watch the language)
[10:11] <nuovo> sorry... got me frustated
[10:12] <nuovo> tonyyarusso: this is my device hp:/usb/psc_1310_series_?serial=CN4AGC80PKO2
[10:13] <nuovo> keeps saying device I/O error
[10:13] <kma> hmm.. best way to take a backup.. does tar cvf backup.tar /home/kma take everything including . files?
[10:13] <tonyyarusso> nuovo: Restart the printer and computer?
[10:13] <nuovo> now it' printing a test page just fine, so I don't where does it get the I/O device error
[10:15] <nuovo> restarting
[10:23] <SaveFerris> any fiesty mirrors aside from the one up there ^^
[10:26] <somerville32> SaveFerris, Where are you located roughly?
[10:28] <SaveFerris> somerville32: FL, USA
[10:29] <somerville32> SaveFerris, The only USA mirror doesn't have it rsynced yet.
[10:29] <somerville32> Want a mirror from Europe
[10:29] <somerville32> ?
[10:36] <SaveFerris> somerville32: i finally got the main one to work, thanks though
[10:36] <tonyyarusso> somerville32: excuse me?  THe only USA mirror?
[10:37] <somerville32> tonyyarusso, For Xubuntu
[10:39] <tonyyarusso> somerville32: CD or archive?
[10:39] <bao_gong> is it me or is the xubuntu feisty torrent painfully slow?
[10:39] <somerville32> ISO
[10:41] <tonyyarusso> wow, the Xubuntu site is still unavailable
[10:41] <somerville32> We're just that popular.
[10:45] <somerville32> :D
[10:46] <kma> hmm
[10:46] <AK-87> How can I find out what driver I am using for my wireless card?
[10:46] <godless> I got on xubuntu.com... eventually..
[10:46] <kma> is there some good way to remove the apps that I want afterwards?
[10:46] <kma> like.. Thunderbird
[10:46] <kma> gxine
[10:47] <kma> gaim
[10:47] <somerville32> Yup, use the synaptic package manager
[10:48] <kma> wont it complain because I break dependencies for xubuntu-desktop?
[10:48] <somerville32> It may. : )
[10:48] <somerville32> But it's ok.
[10:48] <somerville32> Just make sure to reinstall it before you upgrade.
[10:48] <kma> hmm :)
[10:48] <kma> seams.. kinda.. dangerous
[10:50] <kma> oh well.. soon time to tweak the stuff that the installer doesn't fix :) like.. monitor stuff.. keyboard layout stuffs..
[10:50] <kma> fix nic drivers :\
[10:50] <kma> oh.. crap
[10:51] <kma> Installer: "Scanning the mirror...".. yah.. you do that.. with no network
[10:51] <kma> wtf
[10:51] <kma> it got network.. it's CHEATING
[10:52] <somerville32> :D
[10:53] <kma> seams like the atl1 driver is included
[10:53] <kma> hmm. I thought it would take until 2.6.21 for that to be included
[10:53] <kma> well.. I shouldn't complain
[10:53] <kma> nice suprise :)
[10:54] <kma> or.. perhaps ubuntu added it :\
[10:54] <kma> *reboot*
[10:55] <somerville32> Congratz everyone!! :)
[10:56] <wheels3572> Are the instructions to upgrade from Ubuntu Edgy to Feisty be the same for Xubuntu Edgy?
[10:57] <maxamillion> wheels3572: i haven't verified, but yes .. they should be
[10:57] <wheels3572> maxamillion, oh hey max.  Ok cuz there is no options on the Xubuntu website for upgrading is why im asking
[10:58] <maxamillion> wheels3572: yeah, i guess we should update that
[10:58] <maxamillion> wheels3572: i'll do it right now
[10:58] <wheels3572> oh ok
[10:58] <kma> wee.. second nice improvement I noticed.. the flashy boot thingie works for me now :)
[10:58] <wheels3572> Sorry for being a pest BUT I prefer using Xubuntu over Ubuntu lol.  Just want my upgrade to be as flawless as possible lol
[10:59] <maxamillion> wheels3572: apparently cody has been trying to update it but the server is slow because it shares server space with ubuntu, kubuntu, and edubuntu so its a little bogged down right now ... we will get to it
[10:59] <maxamillion> wheels3572: no no, not being a pest ... that's a valid question
[11:00] <kma> hmm.. still have to hack xorg.conf tho
[11:00] <wheels3572> maxamillion, ahhh you share the space no wonder.  Yeah the site is slow but I can see why too lol everyone wanting to grab Feisty :).  Cant blame them :)
[11:01] <maxamillion> yup yup
[11:23] <kma> hmm.. and then this shit again.. flash :\
[11:24] <maxamillion> !language | kma
[11:24] <ubotu> kma: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[11:25] <kma> oohh..
[11:25] <kma> sorry
[11:25] <maxamillion> its ok
[11:25] <kma> but.. feisty + 64bit + flash = urgh
[11:26] <BFTD> yeah
[11:27] <BFTD> I won't use 64-bit for some time
[11:27] <kma> but.. I do
[11:27] <grazie> linux + ppc + flash = 0
[11:27] <maxamillion> grazie: gnash ;)
[11:27] <maxamillion> kma: i use gnash for amd64 ... its not stellar, but its getting better
[11:28] <grazie> it's getting there..sloooooowwwly
[11:28] <kma> maxamillion: youtube?
[11:28] <maxamillion> lol
[11:28] <maxamillion> kma: nope
[11:28] <kma> maxamillion: then its worthless :)
[11:28] <kma> it's like.. almost the only thing I use flash for
[11:29] <maxamillion> kma: youtube is worthless
[11:29] <BFTD> I do "update-manager -d" and I don't get the upgrade distro option
[11:29] <kma> maxamillion: naa.. kinda fun :)
[11:29] <maxamillion> BFTD: "update-manager -c"
[11:29] <somerville32> -d for the development veresion :P
[11:29] <BFTD> maxamillion same thing
[11:30] <grazie> maxamillion: has update-manager finally been sorted?
[11:30] <maxamillion> grazie: yeah, supposed to work now
[11:30] <grazie> pleased to hear that :)
[11:30] <maxamillion> BFTD: you running it as gksudo?
[11:31] <BFTD> no
[11:31] <BFTD> just as sudo
[11:31] <maxamillion> BFTD: try gksudo
[11:31] <kma> hmm.. what does mplayer use for flash? is it gnash aswell?
[11:32] <grazie> vlc does flash out the box I think
[11:32] <BFTD> same
[11:33] <maxamillion> mmmmm vlc
[11:34] <maxamillion> negative .... .deb ftw ;)
[11:36] <grazie> oops...to try.*..source distos can get you down
[11:40] <bruenig> is anyone else having problems with artifacts
[11:46] <kma> wtf
[11:47] <maxamillion> ?
[11:47] <kma> I can't paste stuff in the terminal :\
[11:47] <maxamillion> kma: sure you can "ctrl+shift+v"
[11:48] <kma> maxamillion: yes.. tried the
[11:48] <kma> tried the menu option aswell
[11:48] <maxamillion> oh
[11:48] <maxamillion> strange
[11:48] <kma> yes
[11:49] <kma> anyhow.. in april 03 2007 in an interview RMS said this: "However, we've joust aboust solved that problem and we're soon going to release a version of Gnash which can even handle YouTube."
[11:49] <kma> horrayy
[11:50] <kma> how about swfdec? :\
[11:51] <maxamillion> kma: it will be a wonderful day when gnash can handle flash9 ... i will be able to run amd64 without firefox crashes now :)
[11:51] <grazie> swfdec is supposed to work quite on ppc too, but not tried it
[11:52] <kma> urk.. the version in the repo is really REALLY old.. 0.3.6 :\
[11:52] <kma> current version is 0.4.3
[11:52] <maxamillion> what repo?
[11:53] <maxamillion> the feisty repo?
[11:53] <kma> yeah
[11:53] <maxamillion> wow
[11:53] <grazie> nite all
[11:54] <darrend_laptop> how do I find which package any given file belongs to?
[11:54] <bigfuzzyjesus> maxamillion, what do you think the easiest way to update ro ff would be
[11:56] <maxamillion> bigfuzzyjesus: for me? ... i edited my sources.list by hand and did "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade" but that's because i have always prefered to do package management from the command line
[11:56] <Pumpernickel> darrend_laptop: dpkg -S filename
[11:56] <darrend_laptop> thx Pumpernickel :)
[11:56] <Pumpernickel> np
[11:57] <darrend_laptop> had been scouring all the man pages for aptitude/apt-cache/apt-everything
[11:58] <kma> perhaps I should give swfdec a try
[12:02] <kma> oh.. now pasting works
[12:02] <kma> talk about flaky
[12:03] <maxamillion> kma: that's not good :/
[12:03] <maxamillion> kma: wait ... are you currently running any updates?
[12:04] <kma> maxamillion: what? no.. I'm not running anything :)
[12:05] <maxamillion> hmmm
[12:06] <maxamillion> i dunno then
[12:07] <kma> hmm.. I need to hide a bunch of volumes aswell
[12:08] <kma> erh.. how do I do that? :\
[12:08] <kma> I got 3 fat partitions that I don't wanna see at all
[12:10] <Gel1k>    ?
[12:21] <glanz> Congrats again everyone!
[12:22] <maxamillion> glanz: thankies
[12:28] <maxamillion> hiya kalikiana|dead .... why dead?
[12:28] <kalikiana|dead> Well, this is me from a live edgy. My harddrive is dead.