[12:43] <dibblego> hi, why is there edubuntu server when there is ubuntu server? I don't understand the point if there is no window manager?
[12:49] <bimberi> dibblego: edubuntu server includes X, Gnome ... in order to be a LTSP server
[12:49] <dibblego> oh right, what is LTSP?
[12:50] <dibblego> Linux Terminal Server Project?
[01:00] <bimberi> dibblego: yes
[01:00] <dibblego> ok thanks
[01:01] <bimberi> np :)
[02:18] <harttml> anyone here? or is everybody trying out the new edubuntu
[04:50] <roller> hi
[04:50] <roller> congrats for the neew
[04:50] <roller> *new release
[04:52] <roller> just need to say that i went to download the edubuntu 7.04 from portugal (my country) and that "Portugal NEACM - University of Porto (Europe)" had only the beta version :S
[04:52] <roller> I started the download from "Portugal DEI-FCTUC, University of Coimbra (Europe)" and it's okay
[04:53] <roller> i didn't know who was i suposed to say this
[04:54] <roller> but i guess this is the spot
[04:54] <roller> oh well....
[04:54] <roller> no one answers
[04:55] <roller> hope my time spend here was useful:P
[04:55] <roller> now i'll go translate a little more :P
[04:56] <roller> bye all
[06:17] <Meshezabeel> Heya Bhaskar1
[06:18] <Bhaskar1> Meshezabeel, hello
[06:22] <Meshezabeel> heya jack_wyt
[06:23] <jack_wyt> Meshezabeel: hi
[06:25] <Meshezabeel> !slow
[06:25] <ubotu> The Ubuntu repositories and ISO mirrors are currently under heavy load due to the release of !Feisty. Please consider using !torrents to download ISO images, and be patient with APT updates.
[06:25] <Meshezabeel> !torrents
[06:25] <ubotu> Torrent downloads for the Ubuntu ISOs are available on all the download pages. For Feisty: http://releases.ubuntu.com/feisty/
[06:38] <Meshezabeel> torrent is quite fast :)
[06:43] <Meshezabeel> Heya HedgeMage
[06:43] <HedgeMage> hi Meshezabeel
[07:51] (Bhaskar1/#edubuntu) WOW! Edubuntu 7 is released
[07:52] <Meshezabeel> yuppers :)
[07:52] <Bhaskar1> Any school teacher is there ? who are using Edubuntu
[07:52] <Meshezabeel> I am :)
[07:52] <Bhaskar1> Meshezabeel, well
[07:53] <Bhaskar1> Meshezabeel, are u using Edubuntu in school?
[07:53] <Meshezabeel> yes, well dual booting windows and ubuntu
[07:53] <Bhaskar1> in school, with thin client ?
[07:54] <Meshezabeel> nope, just desktop install
[07:54] <Meshezabeel> but thin client is possible
[07:54] <Bhaskar1> we are planning to install LTSP with edubuntu in schools of Nepal
[07:55] <Meshezabeel> sounds good
[07:57] <Bhaskar1> Meshezabeel, i want to know the packages in edubuntu is nice for children?
[07:57] <Meshezabeel> what age are the kids?
[07:58] <Bhaskar1> primary school age 4-12
[07:58] <Meshezabeel> well there are educational programs and games
[07:59] <Bhaskar1> most of are applicable for secondary school from grade 6-10
[08:00] <Meshezabeel> including KTouch to teach keyboarding skills, TuxPaint is good for a drawing program for young students and GIMP for older students, gcompris is an educational suite with varying levels, but mostly younger students
[08:00] <Meshezabeel> you could download the live disc and see for yourself what comes installed
[08:00] <Bhaskar1> our concern is how to make kids more interactive learning environment
[08:02] <Meshezabeel> yeah, well one thing that is important is getting the teacher to facilitate what the students are doing on the computer, don't just depend on the computer to do all the work
[08:03] <Bhaskar1> ya
[08:04] <Bhaskar1> Text to speech package is also important for kids, ya?
[08:04] <Meshezabeel> maybe, depends on what for though, what would you use text to speech for?
[08:04] <Bhaskar1> or speech to text is also more imp, to teach kids
[08:05] <Meshezabeel> you mean instead of using the keyboard?
[08:05] <Bhaskar1> to teach kids text
[08:05] <Bhaskar1> to write text
[08:06] <Meshezabeel> oh, you mean like to teach spelling?
[08:06] <Bhaskar1> may be
[08:07] <Bhaskar1> for pronounsation etc
[08:08] <Meshezabeel> ok, ic, I'm not sure of any particular program, something like potatoguy has a few words in it for different body parts, such as eye, nose, mouth, etc. and can be modified to other languages, but I don't know of another program that will pronounce all different words, but there are sites on the Internet that can
[08:08] <Meshezabeel> perhaps a dictionary program
[08:10] <Bhaskar1> ya
[08:10] <Bhaskar1> have u used potatoguy program?
[08:11] <Bhaskar1> such program are more useful for kids
[08:12] <Meshezabeel> yes, I've used that program, you know about it?
[08:12] <Bhaskar1> no
[08:13] <Bhaskar1> can u send me link to download this program?
[08:13] <Meshezabeel> it comes built in with edubuntu
[08:13] <Bhaskar1> well
[08:13] <Meshezabeel> what OS are you using right now?
[08:13] <Bhaskar1> Ubuntu 6.06
[08:14] <Meshezabeel> ok
[08:15] <Bhaskar1> & u ?
[08:15] <Meshezabeel> edubuntu 6.10
[08:15] <Meshezabeel> but will soon be 7.04 :)
[08:16] <Bhaskar1> well
[08:16] <Bhaskar1> 7.04 is nice ya?
[08:17] <Meshezabeel> do you want to switch to edubuntu on your computer?
[08:17] <Bhaskar1> ya
[08:18] <Meshezabeel> check this out: http://tuxicity.wordpress.com/2007/01/30/howto-switch-from-ubuntu-to-kubuntu-or-xubuntu-or-edubuntu-or-vice-versa-610-edgy/
[08:19] <Meshezabeel> Look at the three lines under: "Ubuntu to Edubuntu"
[08:19] <Meshezabeel> 2nd line I think might be missing a dash -
[08:20] <Bhaskar1> ok
[08:21] <Meshezabeel> that should give you all programs that come with edubuntu
[08:23] <Bhaskar1> ok
[08:23] <Bhaskar1> sudo apt-get install edubuntu-desktop
[08:23] <Bhaskar1> ya?
[08:24] <Meshezabeel> potatoguy you basically put the body parts or clothes on the potato (or penguin), there aren't too many items, but you can also make your own if you can draw, and make your own sound files to say what the parts are.
[08:24] <Meshezabeel> Bhaskar1: yes, that line, plus the next 2 lines as well
[08:24] <Bhaskar1> ok
[08:25] <Meshezabeel>  sudo apt-get remove ubuntu desktop
[08:25] <Meshezabeel> sudo apt-get autoremove
[08:25] <Bhaskar1> well
[08:25] <Meshezabeel> but I think that second line should be:
[08:25] <Bhaskar1> in first line i have problem
[08:25] <Meshezabeel> sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop
[08:25] <Meshezabeel> why?
[08:26] <Bhaskar1> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[08:26] <Bhaskar1>   edubuntu-desktop: Depends: openoffice.org but it is not going to be installed
[08:26] <Bhaskar1>                     Depends: openoffice.org-evolution but it is not going to be installed
[08:27] <Meshezabeel> do you have openoffice installed?
[08:27] <Bhaskar1> ya
[08:29] <Meshezabeel> did you do: sudo apt-get update
[08:31] <Meshezabeel> do:
[08:31] <Meshezabeel> sudo apt-get update
[08:31] <Meshezabeel> sudo apt-get install edubuntu-desktop
[08:31] <Meshezabeel> if you still have problem, then do:
[08:31] <Meshezabeel> sudo apt-get -f install
[08:31] <Meshezabeel> brb, if you have a question say my name so I hear the beep ;)
[08:31] <Bhaskar1> ok , i am doing apt-get update
[08:32] <Bhaskar1> Meshezabeel, ok
[08:33] <Bhaskar1> Meshezabeel, can u say that how long it takes to change ubuntu -edubuntu
[08:34] <Meshezabeel> not sure, it shouldn't take too long, but because everyone is getting feisty from the repositories, it will probably take longer than normal
[08:34] <Meshezabeel> is it going now?
[08:35] <Bhaskar1> Meshezabeel, same problem
[08:35] <Meshezabeel> did you try: sudo apt-get -f install
[08:35] <Bhaskar1> Meshezabeel, no
[08:36] <Meshezabeel> ok, if you just did sudo apt-get install edubuntu-desktop, then do sudo apt-get -f install
[08:36] <Bhaskar1> Meshezabeel, i did but same problem
[08:37] <Bhaskar1> Meshezabeel, The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[08:37] <Bhaskar1>   edubuntu-desktop: Depends: openoffice.org but it is not going to be installed                    Depends: openoffice.org-evolution but it is not going to beinstalled
[08:37] <Meshezabeel> that's weird
[08:37] <Bhaskar1> Meshezabeel, ok
[08:38] <Bhaskar1> Meshezabeel, now what can i do ?
[08:38] <Meshezabeel> just hang on I'll check, you might want to try with synaptic though
[08:39] <Bhaskar1> Meshezabeel, ok
[08:41] <Meshezabeel> Bhaskar1: did you get any errors when you ran apt-get update
[08:44] <Bhaskar1> Meshezabeel, i am trying again
[08:47] <Bhaskar1> Meshezabeel, no error on apr-get update
[08:48] <Bhaskar1> Meshezabeel, but same problem in sudo apt-get install edubuntu-desktop
[08:49] <Meshezabeel> ok, check under Synaptic and see if the metapackage: "openoffice.org" is installed already
[08:53] <Bhaskar1> Meshezabeel, not but install orenoffice.org.core1....10 etc
[08:53] <Meshezabeel> did you install openoffice yourself, or did it come with ubuntu?
[08:54] <Bhaskar1> Meshezabeel, i have installed
[08:54] <Meshezabeel> you installed from source or from synaptic or apt?
[08:56] <Bhaskar1> i have install from dpkg , i have openoffice.org.deb
[08:57] <Meshezabeel> you know how to uninstall?
[08:58] <Bhaskar1> Meshezabeel, no
[08:58] <Bhaskar1> Meshezabeel, why it should be uninstall?
[09:00] <Meshezabeel> I think maybe not everything is installed, or at least apt does not recognize it properly
[09:01] <Bhaskar1> Meshezabeel, so what is the solution
[09:06] <Meshezabeel> try dpkg -l
[09:07] <Bhaskar1> Meshezabeel, i did dpkg -l
[09:07] <Meshezabeel> did it tell you what openoffice packages were installed?
[09:08] <Bhaskar1> Meshezabeel, openoffice.org 2.0.2-5        Base module for OpenOffice.org 2.0
[09:08] <Meshezabeel> that's the only one?
[09:09] <Bhaskar1> Meshezabeel, more
[09:09] <Bhaskar1> Meshezabeel, core o1-10
[09:10] <Meshezabeel> Bhaskar1: strange that it says openoffice.org is installed here, but didn't under synaptic
[09:10] <Bhaskar1> Meshezabeel, so what to do
[09:12] <Meshezabeel> I'm not an expert, but what I would do is remove the open office packages and then install them with synaptic
[09:14] <Bhaskar1> Meshezabeel, ok i have live CD , can i install from there
[09:15] <Meshezabeel> "dpkg -P packagename" would remove a package
[09:15] <Meshezabeel> what live CD you have?
[09:16] <Bhaskar1> Meshezabeel, Ububtu 6.06 LTS
[09:17] <Meshezabeel> well, does openoffice come with ubuntu? I know it comes with edubuntu, but I'm not sure why you had to install it yourself
[09:18] <Bhaskar1> Meshezabeel, ya it comes with ubuntu also
[09:18] <Meshezabeel> ok, why did you have to install it with dpkg then?
[09:19] <Bhaskar1> Meshezabeel, it i uninstall openoffice now i have to install again from live CD so
[09:20] <Meshezabeel> oh, it's a live cd, I don't think you can install from the live cd, you need the alternate cd to install from I think
[09:20] <Bhaskar1> Meshezabeel, it is live as well as installatopn CD
[09:21] <Meshezabeel> but I don't think you can perform updates off of the live cd, only install the entire OS
[09:22] <Bhaskar1> Meshezabeel, ok
[09:22] <Meshezabeel> did you just uninstall openoffice?
[09:22] <Bhaskar1> Meshezabeel, no
[09:23] <Bhaskar1> Meshezabeel, if i unstall openoffice ,then i need it ,ya
[09:23] <Bhaskar1> Meshezabeel, to work, ya
[09:23] <Meshezabeel> yeah, but you might have to download it off the net, which might take a while
[09:23] <Meshezabeel> with synaptic
[09:24] <Bhaskar1> Meshezabeel, i have slow internet
[09:24] <Meshezabeel> ok
[09:25] <Meshezabeel> you could also just try installing openoffice.org from synaptic and see if it works without uninstalling current packages, but I don't know if it could cause problems, might be worth a try though, it's up to you
[09:30] <Meshezabeel> btw, if you don't want to bother doing this right now, you can take a look at the Potato Guy game: http://opensource.bureau-cornavin.com/ktuberling/
[09:31] <Meshezabeel> also, gcompris: http://gcompris.net/
[09:32] <Meshezabeel> gcompris is geared towards younger students though
[09:32] <Bhaskar1> Meshezabeel, ok
[09:35] <pygi> hi golks
[09:39] <Meshezabeel> heya golki
[09:39] <pygi> folks even*
[09:39] <Meshezabeel> er pygi :)
[09:39] <pygi> :)
[09:39] <pygi> hehe :)
[09:39] <Meshezabeel> lol, jk :)
[09:42] <pygi> I know, no worries
[09:44] <Meshezabeel> well heading to bed, see ya Bhaskar1 and pygi
[10:00] <SiCk> morning all.
[10:01] <pygi> hi SiCk
[10:06] <Bhaskar1> pygi, hi
[10:15] <juliux> good morning
[10:16] <RichEd> hi juliux
[10:16] <RichEd> how was the exam ?
[10:16] <juliux> not good not bad
[10:17] <juliux> was not the best one i wrote
[10:18] <juliux> ogra, you can remove me from edubuntu-bugsquad i am not an active member of this team in the last month
[10:19] <ogra> ok, no problem
[10:19] <ogra> btw: http://itk.mittelstandswiki.de/2007/04/linux-desktop-edition-hilft-beim-umstieg/
[10:19] <ogra> something for the german news ?
[10:20] <juliux> ogra, i will link it to the ubuntu in the press on the wiki
[10:20] <ogra> great
[10:20] <juliux> there is also a collection for german news
[10:20] <RichEd> hi ogra
[10:21] <ogra> hey
[10:21] <juliux> ogra, how was your release party yesterday?
[10:22] <ogra> i mowed the lawn after the release was out and nobody seemed to have questions anymore ;)
[10:23] <ogra> it was a *loud* relkease party here *g*
[10:23] <juliux> ogra, hehe
[10:23] <RichEd> ogra: any feedback yet ?
[10:23] <juliux> ogra, i uploaded yesterday around 35GB edubuntu-server iso
[10:24] <ogra> cool
[10:24] <ogra> RichEd, only that article, but they notified me because it mentions ltsp
[10:25] <RichEd> okie
[10:26] <ogra> juliux, deactivated
[10:29] <juliux> thxs
[10:29] <juliux> perhaps i will be back one day;)
[10:35] <juliux> ogra, what do you think about having poloshirts like this http://ubuntu.juliux.de/shirt/polo.jpg but with the edubuntu logo?
[10:36] <juliux> RichEd, what do you think?
[10:43] <RichEd> juliux: looks good ... are you considering any other colour other than black ?
[10:46] <juliux> RichEd, this is the ubuntu version, that is navy blue, but i think for edubuntu is a nice red better
[10:48] <juliux> RichEd, we(german locoteam) will order there around 200 ubuntu shirts so, perhaps we can get a better price if we also make some edubuntus
[10:48] <ogra> is the logo stiched ?
[10:49] <ogra> or printed ?
[10:50] <tsurc> HI, when downloading a cd image of edubuntu, there are two extra files MD5SUMS and MD5SUMS.gpg I know how and what the first is used for but the second? I guess it has something to do with encryption/signing.
[10:51] <juliux> ogra, embroidered
[10:51] <juliux> ogra, so you can wash it and wash it and it will not lose the color
[10:52] <RichEd> juliux: I wouldn't go for a red, I'd prefer a khaki or camel soert of a colour, like the ubuntu t-shirts
[10:52] <ogra> tsurc, its the signature of the MD5SUM file so you could verify it against the ubuntu archive keyring
[10:53] <juliux> RichEd, i will bring it to the next edubuntu meeting
[10:53] <juliux> RichEd, because i think it is time for some edubuntu marketing;)
[10:53] <tsurc> orga, is there a wiki page on how?
[10:54] <RichEd> :) let me bring up Edubuntu marketing at UDS and UES ... we've had requests for edbuntu stickers as well
[10:54] <RichEd> *edubuntu
[10:54] <juliux> RichEd, i have here some powered by edubuntu stickers
[10:54] <juliux> RichEd, jenda make them
[10:55] <RichEd> I'm talking about the big size that people stick on their notebooks
[10:56] <ogra> tsurc, gpg -v
[10:57] <ogra> tsurc, err
[10:57] <ogra> tsurc, gpg -v MD5SUMS.gpg
[10:57] <ogra> it will ask for the path to the MD5SUMS file and then tell you with which key it was signed
[10:58] <tsurc> snip......  Can't check signature: public key not found
[10:58] <ogra> yeah, because you havent imported it in your own keyring
[10:59] <ogra> but now you can look up the key on a keyserver and see if its validated by an ubuntu signature
[10:59] <tsurc> ah.. right. Of to JFGI for me ;)
[10:59] <ogra> but generally you should be able to trust the ubuntu webpages :)
[11:00] <tsurc> ;)
[11:00] <ogra> its only to proof that your MD5SUM is the one from ubuntu.com :)
[11:00] <juliux> RichEd, nice
[11:01] <tsurc> just a self teaching exercise.. never had to do anything like this yet. And would like to know before I NEED to know.. if you get my drift?
[11:01] <tsurc> *know how
[11:02] <ogra> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto
[11:03] <ogra> hey, there is indeed a wikipage :)
[11:03] <tsurc> yeh, found that just as you posted
[11:04] <tsurc> thanks anyway, you'v been a help ;)
[11:09] <tsurc> job done ;) surprise surprise every think was as i thought, edubuntu-7.04-server-i386.iso: OK and the addon is on a torrent as I speek ;)
[11:09] <tsurc> *thing
[11:11] <ogra> great, enjoy it :)
[11:28] <Bhaskar1> ogra, can u help me to install openoffice package in ubuntu, i have mistakely uninstall it, now i want to install it from ubuntu CD, offline
[11:30] <ogra> the CD should offer you to start the package manager if you pop it in
[11:31] <Bhaskar1> ogra, i start package manager , but it start to connect internet
[11:32] <ogra> well, then go to System->software sources and disable all online repositories
[11:33] <ogra> so it will only search on the CD
[11:35] <Bhaskar1> ogra, system--->software properties---->internetupdate, ya
[11:35] <ogra> no
[11:35] <ogra> disable the software sources for the online servers
[11:35] <ogra> not the online update ...
[11:41] <Bhaskar1> ogra, i dis connected my internet cable , then from package manager, i try to install but not success
[11:59] <Bhaskar1> ogra, how can i upgrade whole system from CD so that existing data not lost and missing package installed
[11:59] <ogra> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading
[12:01] <ogra> hmm, the channeltopic needs an upgrade ...
[02:11] <SiCk> ogra.. if you're around... i have a question :/
[02:11] <pygi> SiCk, just shoot =)
[02:12] <SiCk> do i actually need a windowmanager installed for my thin-clients if i want them to autologin?
[02:12] <ogra> for the kiosk stuff ?
[02:12] <SiCk> just seeing if its possible to get these running as true thin
[02:12] <SiCk> err
[02:12] <SiCk> yeah
[02:12] <ogra> you dont *need* one ... firefox will display without one ... but likely wont cover the screen or something
[02:13] <ogra> and dialogs might popbehind the main win ...
[02:13] <SiCk> ah right... so its better to have it running in its own little seperate thing then
[02:14] <SiCk> still trying to find a way around this whole read/write hell.. haha
[02:14] <ogra> yeah, you should have *any* WM ...
[02:16] <ogra> how about creating a kiosk user on your server, making the gconf changes to epiphany there and copying the ~/.gconf dir into the kiosk home in the chroot ? ;)
[02:16] <ogra> then delete the user ...
[02:16] <ogra> (on the server)
[02:17] <SiCk> oh hey... that might be an idea you know...
[02:18] <SiCk> sounds do-able *tries*
[02:19] <ogra> there might also be a hidden epiphany dir with settings, not sure
[02:20] <SiCk> gedit .gconf is giving me ' this is a directory ' but it wont let me access it as a directory, haha.. i'll have a go at it tho
[02:23] <ogra> gconf-editor ...
[02:23] <ogra> not gedit ...
[02:23] <SiCk> yeah, i was just wanting a wee look at the .gconf in the text format before i moved it
[02:23] <SiCk> but hey
[02:23] <SiCk> im just a nosey git
[02:24] <ogra> gconf is an xml database ...
[02:24] <SiCk> ah, i see
[02:24] <ogra> even though you could edit the xml files in the tree ... i wouldnt suggest to :)
[02:24] <SiCk> ill take that advice. :P
[02:25] <ogra> just copy over every hidden dir that could be epiphany related ...
[02:26] <SiCk> how do i display hidden dirs? find / -n wont show hidden will it?
[02:27] <SiCk> i was gonna find everything to do with epiphany
[02:27] <ogra> ls -al
[02:27] <ogra> or ls -a
[02:28] <SiCk> ah, that does it
[02:28] <SiCk> we have a .gconf and a .gconfd
[02:29] <ogra> copy them with cp -a ....
[02:29] <ogra> a .gnome as well ?
[02:29] <SiCk> yep
[02:29] <ogra> if so, copy that too ...
[02:29] <ogra> and if there is a .epiphany that as well
[02:29] <SiCk> what about .gnome2 / .gnome2_private
[02:29] <SiCk> ?
[02:29] <ogra> too
[02:29] <SiCk> cool
[02:29] <ogra> everything that could contain epiphany settings
[02:31] <SiCk> would metacity have any settings in it?
[02:31] <ogra> only for metacity i think
[02:31] <SiCk> right, i'll give this a wee go
[02:32] <ogra> dont forget to revert all the rw stuff you did if it works
[02:33] <SiCk> aye, it's all already copied back
[02:38] <SiCk> :(
[02:38] <SiCk> ooh wait i think i missed a setting
[02:41] <SiCk> mr.server needs a restart. mr.server is running extremely slow
[02:41] <RichEd> SiCk: well give mr server a kick in the pants then ;)
[02:42] <pygi> haha :)
[02:43] <SiCk> i always feel like throwing mr.server through the window
[02:45] <RichEd> well that's one use for windows ;)
[02:58] <SiCk> oh , full of puns today :D
[03:29] <bddebian> Heya
[03:29] <juliux> hi bddebian
[03:30] <bddebian> Hello juliux
[03:43] <dvcam> Wow open source is great!
[03:43] <firstlady> Hey,
[03:43] <englishrocks> Hi! Edubuntu is great!
[03:43] <scientificshamro> I'm at a cool conference using edubuntu
[03:43] <tortola> Hi All  ..... this is some great stuff....
[03:43] <rallymatt> I :::heart::: edubuntu
[03:43] <Monseigneur> We are at a conference learning about open source.
[03:43] <firstlady> We are at a tech conference and trying to chat with you.  How do you like edubuntu?
[03:43] <dvcam> Edubuntu is great and to believe it is all running on CD
[03:43] <tcp> Hi, we are at a conference learning about edubuntu. You guys rock!
[03:43] <firstlady> This is kind of like crashing a party.
[03:43] <tortola> I can't wait to share this with my student at GVSU
[03:43] <tortola> sorry students!
[03:43] <JA1> Good Morning, I'm checking out edubuntu and Linux - WOW!
[03:43] <sunshel> We are at a conference learning about Edubuntu - YOU rock!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[03:43] <ar1> THis is great stuff. I can't wait to try this at home.
[03:43] <tortola> :)
[03:43] <jitterbu1> I am a conference learning about edubuntu and this stuff rocks
[03:43] <firstlady> Oops we scared scientific away!
[03:43] <jitterbu1> no reason to be afraid
[03:43] <JA1> :-D - My kids will love this!
[03:43] <juliux> where is this conference?
[03:43] <jitterbu1> michigan
[03:43] <firstlady> In Holland, MI
[03:43] <jitterbu1> near Grand Rapids
[03:43] <sunshel> Where are you?
[03:44] <juliux> we also get a freenode staff in this channel because you are all in the same ip range;)
[03:44] <cliebow_> jammcq is in waterford..should have invited home down
[03:44] <sunshel> What is a freenode staff?
[03:45] <juliux> sunshel, and freenode admin;)
[03:45] <juliux> like a moderator in a forum
[03:45] <firstlady> oh
[03:45] <jitterbu1> spock explain ~ Captain Kirk
[03:46] <JneAddams> very cool
[03:46] <dvcam> Thank you letting us experience IRC.
[03:46] <firstlady> Hey, gotta go, but thanks for letting us crash in on you.
[03:46] <Monseigneur> Thank you for letting us intrude.
[03:46] <JneAddams> Thank you,
[03:46] <tcp> Thanks, bye
[03:46] <JneAddams> just practicing
[03:46] <rallymatt> OUT
[03:46] <sunshel> Thanks for letting us crash your party - have a great day!
[03:47] <juliux> was this an how to join the irc lesson?
[03:47] <JneAddams> yep
[03:47] <sunshel> yes
[03:47] <juliux> JneAddams, ahh
[03:47] <juliux> so somebody told you and now we all will try out irc;)
[03:47] <sunshel> exactly
[03:48] <juliux> cool
[04:02] <jgedeon> Has anyone been hearing complaints about bootstrap errors while trying to install 7.04?
[04:06] <ogra> nope, did you check the CD ?
[04:07] <jgedeon> Yes six of them.  Download Edubuntu 7.04 twice via bittorent and tried burning the CD at different speeds.  I was able to install Ubuntu Server 6.10 but can't get Edubuntu Server 7.04 to install at all.
[04:16] <ogra> at what speed did you burn the CD ? its usually not so clever to burn faster than 8x for such hgh compressed images
[04:16] <ogra> *high
[04:16] <ogra> but indeed the slefckech should have shown errors ... if you say you checked them ...
[04:22] <jgedeon> Max then 20X then 4X
[04:23] <ogra> when exactly does it stop ... any special packagename
[04:23] <ogra> ?
[04:24] <jgedeon> There are a bunch of packagenames it Bootstrap errors at.
[04:25] <ogra> can you somehow get a log of such a failing install ?
[04:25] <ogra> its stored in /var/log/insaller/syslog
[04:26] <ogra> or /target/var/log/insaller/syslog
[04:26] <ogra> *installer indeed
[04:26] <jgedeon> Later today I can try it again.  After all the fuse yesterday I tried to install Ubuntu Server 6.10 and that is where it is at now.
[04:26] <ogra> what HW specs does this machine have ?
[04:26] <jgedeon> Just thought I would ask.
[04:27] <jgedeon> IBM xseries 300.
[04:27] <ogra> well, the isos were tested quite extensively for about a week by many many people ...
[04:27] <ogra> does that thing have a SATA controller ?
[04:27] <jgedeon> No.
[04:28] <ogra> do you try a LVM install ?
[04:28] <jgedeon> Didn't know if with the load if that might have been the problem with the corrupted files.
[04:28] <jgedeon> No didn't try that.
[04:29] <jgedeon> I'll try it again today and see what I can get..  And then post in here while I am working on it.
[04:30] <ogra> i didnt mean you should try a LVM setup btw ... i just wanted to know if you did ;)
[04:30] <ogra> ok, i'll be around for a while
[04:30] <jgedeon> No problem..
[05:38] <sbalneav> Morning all
[05:38] <sbalneav> Hey, anyone got a copy of some .torrent files they could DCC to me?  torrent.ubuntu.com's kinda dying.  Victims of our own success
[05:40] <ogra> http://www.edubuntu.org/Download <- every mirror should have the torrent files
[05:41] <sbalneav> Ah, ok
[05:41] <sbalneav> I'm gonna get together with a few locals this Saturday, wanted to have u/ku/edu/xubuntus to give away.
[05:42] <ogra> ah
[06:05] <sacater> highvoltage: online?
[06:46] <Burgwork> sbalneav, ogra: congrats on the great stuff this relesae
[06:47] <ogra> hey thanks :)
[06:47] <ogra> but it wasnt only us :)
[06:47] <Burgwork> well, cbx33 isn't here :)
[06:48] <Burgwork> I am looking forward to seeing everybody again in Sevilla
[06:48] <ogra> yeah
[06:48] <ogra> i finally got my flight sorted today
[06:50] <Burgwork> I am just waiting for Claire to confirm mine, as I am staying an extra week in Sevilla to play tourists
[06:52] <Laser_away> Burgwork: you'll be there?!?
[06:53] <Burgwork> Laser_away: thanks to the good offices of Canonical and a good word from Jono, yes :)
[06:53] <Laser_away> awesome
[06:54] <ogra> Laser_away, hey thanks for the pony !!
[06:54] <Laser_away> :-)
[07:07] <sacater> mau/60
[07:07] <sacater> whoops
[07:07] <sacater> type
[07:09] <jgedeon> ogra: If your still here.  Going to try to install it again.  Just burned a new copy at 4X.
[07:09] <ogra> great
[07:11] <jgedeon> First error: [!!]  Load installer components from CD
[07:11] <ogra> look on tty4
[07:11] <ogra> there should be clearer errors
[07:15] <jgedeon> Checking CD-ROM integrity now.
[07:16] <ogra> did you see any errors ?
[07:16] <ogra> on tty4 ?
[07:17] <jgedeon> Couldn't check any other than couldn't read CD-ROM
[07:17] <ogra> well tty4 shows a very very detailed log
[07:17] <ogra> witout the errors from there it can be *aynthing*
[07:17] <jgedeon> How do I get into tty4?
[07:18] <ogra> alt-f4
[07:18] <jgedeon> I tried that but it wouldn't let me.
[07:18] <jgedeon> I'll start over and try again.
[07:21] <jgedeon> The file it's hanging on is libparted1.7 going to look at tty4 now.
[07:22] <jgedeon> Warning **: bad md5sum is the last one...
[07:22] <ogra> aha
[07:22] <ogra> your iso is boken then
[07:22] <ogra> did you check the md5sum of the downloaded file ?
[07:23] <jgedeon> ok...  I'll trying to get another one.  No was in a hurry.  LOL
[07:23] <ogra> (the iso file i mean)
[07:23] <ogra> md5sum <path to iso>
[07:23] <ogra> what does that give you ?
[07:24] <ogra> c9105528c35f282e173cfac6c4b8d563 *edubuntu-7.04-server-i386.iso
[07:24] <ogra> if it doesnt match its broken
[07:26] <jgedeon> It's matching what you posted.
[07:28] <ogra> weird
[07:28] <ogra> do you have any other CD writer you could use ?
[07:28] <jgedeon> Not right now.
[07:31] <jgedeon> Might be the CD.  ?Just tried it with another and it seems to be getting further...
[07:36] <jgedeon> Ok back to the bootstrap warnings.
[07:36] <ogra> whats on tty4 now ?
[07:37] <jgedeon> tty4 is still scrolling.
[07:37] <jgedeon> not seeing any errors.
[07:38] <jgedeon> Looks like dependency problems.
[07:40] <jgedeon> Saying xkb-data_0.9-4ubuntu1_all.deb was corrupt.
[07:43] <ogra> indeed a corrupt package that cant get installed causes dependency probs
[07:43] <ogra> but corrupt packages indicate broken media or a bad burn usually
[07:44] <jgedeon> Ok going to try and burn it from another system and see where that goes.
[08:52] <EmxBA> wow... after more than a year I'm here again :)
[08:56] <LaserJock> hi EmxBA
[09:38] <cliebow_> anyone have any bright ideas why i cant shut my system down using system->quit?
[09:44] <Burgwork> cliebow_: incorrect permissions?
[09:44] <Burgwork> gpm not running?
[09:45] <cliebow_> gpm is not running..
[09:51] <Burgwork> the shutdown stuff needs gnome-power-manager
[09:52] <cliebow_> i was googling..
[09:52] <Meshezabeel> hey, I lost my menu bar at the top, this happens every once in a while and I have to restart, is there a way to get it back without restarting?
[09:52] <cliebow_> gnome-power-manager is surely installed...
[09:54] <cliebow_> yeah gnome-power-manager is running
[09:57] <Burgwork> Meshezabeel: your top panel?
[09:58] <Meshezabeel> Burgwork: yes
[09:59] <cliebow_> Burgwork:thanks for input..ill mess with it at home...
[09:59] <Burgwork> cliebow_: no worries
[09:59] <Burgwork> Meshezabeel: you can try reloading gnome-panel
[09:59] <Burgwork> you might also want to launch gnome-panel from a terminal to see what is happening
[09:59] <cliebow_> give er a whirl 8~)
[10:07] <Meshezabeel> Burgwork: ok, can't open a terminal within x because no gnome-panel, went to CTRL+ALT+F1 and ran: gnome-panel but it said: "Cannot open display:" there is an option that says --display=DISPLAY but don't know what to fill in there
[10:08] <Burgwork> hmm
[10:09] <gonzaloaf_work> hi, what are advantages of using edubuntu server instead of desktop?
[10:17] <Burgwork> they are for different things
[10:27] <asmith42b> Is there a way to have a list of users at the login screen? That is, for someone to find their name and click on?
[10:29] <Burgwork> yes
[10:29] <Burgwork> choose a greeter with a user list
[10:29] <asmith42b> Can you point me in the right direction?
[10:30] <asmith42b> Which preferences am I looking at?
[10:30] <Burgwork> system > admin > login screen
[10:31] <asmith42b> Ah, yes. Thank you. Sometimes the best place to hide something is right in front of your face. :p
[10:32] <Burgwork> indeed
[10:32] <Meshezabeel> k, got it back, thanks Burgwork
[11:08] <jgedeon> ogra: I think I finally got it up amd running.  For some reason had to burn the CD with propritary software.
[11:09] <jgedeon> Thank you for your help.
[12:01] <jgedeon> Is there a write up on how to get Share Screen to work?