[12:26] <wondering> I installed a stock command line installation with the kubuntu-alternate-i386 CD on my machine and I can't login with local user accounts through KDM.
[12:26] <wondering> Is this a known issue?
[12:26] <wondering> I can login from VT{1,6}, but not from KDM.
[12:27] <wondering> KDM doesn't say "Login Failed" (meaning I didn't enter my password incorrectly). Instead, it fades to black and then takes me back to KDM's greeter.
[12:47] <sharms> wondering: ask #kubuntu this is not the right channel
[01:05] <Hobbsee> yay, golden pony awards!
[01:58] <sharms> sacater: I have been corresponding with Uber on the Gentoo startup system, but our startup system already leverages C (upstart)
[01:58] <sharms> sacater: can you expand more on your comment earlier?
[01:58] <jmg> does feisty use upstart?
[01:59] <Flannel> jmg: yes
[01:59] <jmg> this is the first time ive ever used a virtual machine that was faster than the guest os
[01:59] <Flannel> jmg: edgy+n uses upstart
[01:59] <jmg> host os*
[02:00] <sharms> ha
[02:00] <sharms> jmg: you should put a guest VM inside of the guest VM
[02:01] <sharms> thats when things get crazy
[02:01] <jmg> now i want to upgrade my home box
[02:01] <jmg> but i dont want to wreck my freevo setup
[02:03] <jmg> what about feisty xubuntu?
[02:04] <Flannel> what about it?  xubuntu.com has links to it
[02:05] <sharms> jmg: maybe you need to put yourself in a vm
[02:05] <jmg> heh
[02:11] <jmg> uh oh
[02:11] <jmg> i just tried to open ooo
[02:12] <jmg> is it bugged?
[02:15] <jmg> is it just me or does ooo not work under the livecd at all?
[03:23] <micahcowan> When is a simple patch preferable to a debdiff? For instance, in the case of packages that get heavy development and are either synced often or get frequent bugfixes, is it better to supply a plain diff and let the package maintainers decide how it should fall with ordering/package-version?
[03:23] <jmg> hmm
[03:23] <jmg> whats blocking freevo from universe?
[03:24] <lifeless> micahcowan: a simple patch is preferrable when you are simply changing the code of the package, not the packaging
[03:24] <lifeless> micahcowan: generally a debdiff is preferrable, because you usually will change the debian changelog
[03:26] <micahcowan> Well, I can't think of an instance where the changelog won't be changed; but OTOH the way I change it may not end up being the way the maintainers want it changed (especially if they want to fold several patches into the next build: why bump it once per patch?--or, they could also end up with conflicting patches to the same build number)
[03:26] <micahcowan> is it easier in such cases to simply provide a patch, or will they just edit the diffs to deal with "merge" issues?
[03:28] <lifeless> huh
[03:28] <lifeless> I dont know what assumptions you'r emaking
[03:29] <micahcowan> Well, if both I and Foo provide a patch on bar to bar-0ubuntu1, then simply applying my debdiff, and then his, won't work: chunks of Foo's debdiff will be rejected, and the developer will have to deal with resolving issues, at least with the changelog.
[03:34] <lifeless> micahcowan: thats called merging :)
[03:35] <micahcowan> Alright: so pretty much always, debdiff > diff -u
[07:08] <ajmitch> micahcowan: taking a few hours to grab packages?
[07:09] <micahcowan> ajmitch, well, not yet, but probably (I've only been  running it around an hour).
[07:09] <ajmitch> hehe
[07:09] <micahcowan> I /did/ upgrade to feisty on my work machine, though, and that's probably taken at least 6 hours (I left before it was done)
[07:10] <micahcowan> Guess I'll have to wait before I can work on an edgy package, now :)
[07:12] <joejaxx> :P
[09:04] <dholbach> good morning
[09:04] <joejaxx> Good Morning dholbach 
[09:04] <dholbach> hey joejaxx
[09:05] <joejaxx> it seems like the week is one big day for me
[09:05] <joejaxx> lol
[09:05] <joejaxx> i should start saying Good { Morning, Afternoon, Night }
[09:05] <joejaxx> :P
[09:13] <Lutin> hi there
[09:13] <joejaxx> hello
[09:13] <\sh> moins
[09:14] <joejaxx> Good Morning \sh 
[09:18] <elkbuntu> hmm... no laserjock in here
[09:45] <dqdev> hello there!
[09:45] <jussi01> hi dqdev 
[09:46] <dqdev> I have a question concerning bugs and distros
[09:46] <dholbach> fire away
[09:46] <dqdev> as my 1st easy assignment I tried to fix the bug 105515
[09:46] <ubotu> Malone bug 105515 in supertux "Missing menu icon for superTux" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105515
[09:46] <dqdev> an easy one...
[09:47] <dqdev> but then I downloaded the source here at work (ubuntu 7.04)
[09:47] <dqdev> and saw that the bug at least for this versio is fixed!!!
[09:47] <dholbach> oh super
[09:47] <dholbach> then we can close the bug?
[09:48] <Fujitsu> Nice:
[09:48] <Fujitsu> `I have recently upgraded from hoary to feisty and I now no longer have a graphical boot up'
[09:48] <dqdev> i don't really know. I installed the program from the repositories
[09:48] <dqdev> and installed it 
[09:48] <dqdev> and the menu image was there
[09:48] <Fujitsu> dholbach: Indeed, it is fixed.
[09:48] <dqdev> ok
[09:48] <dqdev> should I report it at launchpad
[09:48] <dqdev> ?
[09:49] <jussi01> dqdev, if its fixed you can close it...
[09:49] <dqdev> how do I do that?
[09:49] <dholbach> click on the package name
[09:49] <dholbach> in the middle of the page
[09:49] <dholbach> then mark the bug as 'fix released'
[09:50] <dqdev> ok
[09:50] <jussi01> karma!
[09:50] <jussi01> :D
[09:52] <dqdev> somebody did it
[09:52] <dqdev> now it says FIx Releashed
[09:53] <dqdev> i thought that if you had a bug assigned you were the only one that could work with it
[09:58] <jussi01> ok, can someone tell me what emacs is and why _everyone_ hates it?
[09:59] <lupine_85> it's an editor and rms loves it
[09:59] <jussi01> lol
[09:59] <jussi01> ok
[09:59] <jussi01> so do people hate it?
[09:59] <lupine_85> some people do
[10:01] <jussi01> oops, forgot the why...
[10:01] <jussi01> so why do people hate it?
[10:01] <dqdev> there is only VIM for me
[10:02] <Fujitsu> jussi01: Because vim is better, of course.
[10:02] <Fujitsu> <3 vim.
[10:02] <joejaxx> lol
[10:02] <joejaxx> uh oh not the emacs/vi{m}/nano wars
[10:02] <Fujitsu> !start an editor war
[10:02] <joejaxx> lol
[10:03] <Fujitsu> Bah, stuff you ubotu-ng.
[10:20] <minghua> since when is nano involved in editor wars?
[10:21] <jussi01> minghua, since vim smacked it around the head... :P
[10:22] <minghua> vim is usually nice, I think nano didn't see clearly - it must be emacs... :-)
[10:22] <jussi01> hehe
[10:54] <lupine_85> nano is cool :p
[10:56] <Fujitsu> lupine_85: Very questionable.
[10:57] <lupine_85> ;)
[10:57] <lupine_85> and so a new age of sectarian violence begins...
[11:52] <damko> hi !
[12:46] <\sh> oh wow...I have a new flat in karlsruhe
[01:39] <ScottK> About nano...  Can anyone explain why en en_US ctrl-o is a logical key combination to save a file?
[01:50] <DarkSun88> Hi all.
[01:51] <ScottK> Hi
[01:52] <minghua> ScottK: didn't nano say ctrl-o means writeOut itself?
[01:52] <ScottK> Something like that
[01:52] <ScottK> It's not as unintuitive as clicking Start to turn of the computer, but it's up there.
[01:55] <ScottK> For saving files, Ctrl-s is a pretty standard thing.  Dunno why they have to work at being different.
[01:55] <ScottK> Of course at least you can read it on the scrren.
[01:55] <ScottK> screen
[01:56] <ScottK> Esc :wq is pretty well programmed into my fingers, but it took a while to get it there.
[01:56] <minghua> nano must picked up it's shortcut keys from pico
[01:57] <minghua> and I'm not sure ctrl-s is standard in the pico days
[01:57] <minghua> s/is/was/
[02:19] <DarkMageZ> hi, which package can i find gfxXlibSurface.h in?
[02:19] <StevenK> None, on Edgy at least.
[02:19] <DarkMageZ> and feisty?
[02:20] <StevenK> Hrm. My apt-file seems to be borked
[02:22] <DarkMageZ> hmm, how exactly do you run a search for it?
[02:22] <StevenK> I'd suggest you install apt-file.
[02:22] <StevenK> Then apt-file update ; apt-file search gfxXlibSurface.h
[02:23] <StevenK> Right, apt-file is dumb.
[02:27] <DarkMageZ> hmm, does apt-file generally spit out nothing while it runs?
[02:27] <DarkMageZ> and not use any cpu
[02:30] <minghua> you need to setup the database before first use IIRC
[02:32] <DarkMageZ> with a quick look @ the man file (without properly reading it) it looks like i need to download a lot of packages as a cache so apt-file can search them for the desired file
[02:33] <geser> DarkMageZ: you can also use packages.ubuntu.com for the search
[02:35] <geser> Hi Hobbsee
[02:35] <DarkMageZ> hmm, anyone already running feisty with this setup able to run the search?
[02:37] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:39] <\sh> looks like apt-file is broken
[02:39] <DarkMageZ> looks like debian doesn't have the file i want. they've got a search on their packages page
[03:01] <ScottK> The Gutsy repositories exist.  Look what distros this is published in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ipython/0.7.3-1
[03:04] <zul> ScottK: they might exist but they arent open yet :)
[03:05] <Hobbsee> i'm sure we can try uploading....
[03:05] <ScottK> Well I want to know when I can upgrade ;-)
[03:06] <Hobbsee> oh, a.u.c is still dying
[03:07] <crimsun> neat, dapper->feisty works with only minor hair-tearing.
[03:07] <Hobbsee> nice
[03:08] <ScottK> crimsun: KDE or Gnome?
[03:09] <crimsun> ScottK: I've only tested Ubuntu (so the latter)
[03:09] <ScottK> OK.
[03:09] <crimsun> I have a scheduled test for the former later this afternoon.
[03:10] <ScottK> Thanks.  I've got Dapper with KDE 3.5.5, so I'm wondering how that would go.  It might actually go better directly than via Edgy since Edgy has 3.5.5.
[03:29] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:29] <pochu> hey bddebian 
[03:30] <Jucato> hi bddebian here too
[03:30] <bddebian> Hi pochu and Jucato again :_)
[03:31] <manchicken> Any postgres motus about?
[03:31] <geser> Hi bddebian
[03:32] <geser> manchicken: I only use postgres but perhaps I can help you
[03:32] <StevenK> PostgreSQL is in main
[03:33] <bddebian> Heya geser
[03:37] <geser> only PostgreSQL 8.2 is main, 8.1 is universe
[03:43] <Nafallo> pitti takes care of 8.1 anyway I hope? :-)
[03:43] <crimsun> probably not if it's in universe.
[03:43] <ScottK> crimsun: Do you remember the KDM/GDM shutdown bug we were discussing a few days ago?
[03:43] <crimsun> ScottK: yes, and I read seb's rebuttal.
[03:43] <ScottK> Someone's having a similar problem over on #kubuntu-devel
[03:43] <ScottK> Any chance you've got/could easily point me at the bug#?
[03:43] <bddebian> Damnit, another mentor request... :-(
[03:43] <ScottK> BTW, are you convinced by the rebuttal?
[03:44] <manchicken_> Sorry about that.  Wireless at this coffee shop kinda sucks.
[03:46] <zakame> good evening
[03:46] <bddebian> Heya zakame
[03:47] <zakame> hi bddebian :D
[03:47] <manchicken_> So, anybody know how to install tsearch on ubuntu?
[03:48] <geser> have you tried installing postgresql-contrib-8.2 and activating it in your db?
[03:49] <manchicken_> geser: Nope.  That is precisely the answer I was hoping for.
[03:51] <ScottK> I found the bug I was looking for...
[03:52] <bddebian> yeah
[03:57] <crimsun> ScottK: I trust seb's judgment in gdm* matters.
[03:57] <ScottK> OK
[03:57] <ScottK> Thanks
[03:57] <ScottK> And I didn't find the bug after all...
[03:57] <ScottK> Arghhh.
[03:58] <crimsun> bug 64695 ?
[03:58] <ubotu> Malone bug 64695 in kdebase "KDE logout dialog is missing shutdown and restart options" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/64695
[03:59] <ScottK> That's the one.
[03:59] <ScottK> Thanks
[04:12] <manchicken_> Is everything compatible with 8.2?
[04:12] <manchicken_> I removed 8.1 and everything seems to have gone stupid that uses 8.1.
[04:13] <manchicken__> I'm trying to purge and reinstall postgres and the stuff that was removed as a dependency.
[04:13] <manchicken__> Wow.
[04:13] <manchicken__> That was like an out of body experience.
[04:13] <manchicken__> Damn this wireless sucks.
[04:13] <bddebian> Yep
[04:19] <manchicken__> I wish upgrading postgres was easier.
[04:20] <jussi01> hmmm, why dont i have python-libgaim....
[04:25] <manchicken> Well that was easy.
[04:26] <nixternal> woohoo
[04:27] <nixternal> I got out of jury duty this morning with this famous quote "there should be more drug dealers"
[04:27] <jsgotangco> isn't it too early on your side
[04:27] <jsgotangco> like 9am?
[04:27] <nixternal> 9:30
[04:28] <nixternal> Jury duty starts at 7am here
[04:28] <jsgotangco> ick
[04:28] <nixternal> ya
[04:28] <jussi01> lol
[04:28] <manchicken> Nice.
[04:28] <nixternal> court opens at 8
[04:28] <nixternal> they will just send me another thing in a few months to try again
[04:28] <jsgotangco> it seems vmware server doesn't like this kernel at the moment
[04:28] <nixternal> see, a couple of years ago I never realized that if you didn't go, they would put out a warrant for your arrest
[04:28] <jsgotangco> i guess ill have to wait for an update
[04:29] <manchicken> nixternal: Doesn't that like, get you a surveillance detail or something?  
[04:29] <nixternal> jsgotangco: you need to read the howto on the forusm -> feisty vmware server
[04:29] <jsgotangco> ahh
[04:29] <nixternal> jsgotangco: also the h.u.c/community/vmwareserver or whatever will also help
[04:29] <jsgotangco> hmm
[04:30] <jsgotangco> i've run vmwaver for years ;-) im just trying it now on feisty
[04:30] <jsgotangco> the vmon doesn't compile for now so i will chekc
[04:30] <nixternal> ya, there is a little tweaking to do in order for it to build vmmon and vmnet on the 2.6.20 kernel
[04:30] <nixternal> hey, wait one sec
[04:31] <nixternal> nm, I had a vmmon.tar and vmnet.tar for feisty and now I can't find them
[04:31] <crimsun> must be lost in your Vista partition.
[04:32] <jsgotangco> these tweaks may not be useful anymore once a new version of the server comes out
[04:38] <elkbuntu> nixternal, dude... did you *really* say that?
[04:39] <nixternal> I sure did. Jury duty is horrible ;)
[04:39] <elkbuntu> rofl
[04:39] <nixternal> I don't want to be responsible for ruining someone elses life
[04:40] <jsgotangco> nixternal: is this the "any-any" patch?
[04:40] <nixternal> don't use the any-any patch. it won't work for the latest vmware
[04:40] <nixternal> at least it didn't work for me
[04:40] <jsgotangco> i guessed that too
[04:41] <nixternal> jsgotangco: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware/Server
[04:41] <nixternal> read the 7.04 section towards the middle
[04:41] <jsgotangco> wow its already updated
[04:41] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: i think we should use that, if we ever get called up for it
[04:41] <nixternal> haha
[04:42] <nixternal> the only cool thing about jury duty at DuPage is that their information kiosks are Ubuntu
[04:42] <Hobbsee> nice
[04:42] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, i got called up once, was the last in the line to be selected.. never got to being considered
[04:43] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: this is probably a stupid question, but you'd *have* a court where you are, right?
[04:43] <nixternal> myself and a fellow LUG guy had jury duty last year, he got stuck doing it, but anyways we were sitting in the room and we heard the familiar jungle tune from Ubuntu as they were firing up the kiosks
[04:43] <Hobbsee> you must do...
[04:43] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, yep
[04:43] <Hobbsee> pity
[04:43] <Hobbsee> else you could say "i cant get to sydney, kthxdie.
[04:43] <nixternal> haha
[04:43] <jussi01> Hobbsee, !!
[04:43] <Hobbsee> hi jussi01!
[04:43] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, most centers have a local/magistrates if nothing else
[04:44] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: pity.
[04:44] <elkbuntu> supreme tours the centers
[04:45] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[04:45] <Hobbsee> flashing cop car lights gave it away
[04:45] <jussi01> nice...:D
[04:45] <Hobbsee> and everyone was slowing down to see why they'd pulled cars over
[04:58] <Hobbsee> the ponies are simply NOT GOLD ENOUGH!
[04:58] <dqdev> hello there... still on my attempt to fix my 1st bug
[04:59] <dqdev> have a question
[04:59] <dqdev> when I look at a bug info
[04:59] <dqdev> and I choose Assigned to ME
[04:59] <dqdev> can others work on the bug and file a solution or reported as fixed?
[05:00] <DarkSun88> Hi
[05:02] <Hobbsee> dqdev: yes they can - but they likely wont, as they're assuming that you're working on it
[05:02] <Hobbsee> dqdev: better to subscribe yourself, if you're interested in it
[05:02] <dqdev> ok, I will
[05:03] <dqdev> and what exactly does 'wishlist' mean?
[05:03] <dqdev> that it's not urgent, but they would like to have it?
[05:03] <Hobbsee> yeah
[05:04] <Hobbsee> that it's not a bug, ie, a problem with the software, but a "we wish to have this"
[05:04] <dqdev> ok... then I should really start from there
[05:04] <Hobbsee> dqdev: i think https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs may help you, with the bug stuff
[05:04] <dqdev> i think that's optimal for newbies as me
[05:04] <Hobbsee> (and the links off there)
[05:04] <Hobbsee> start wherever interests you :)
[05:05] <dqdev> that's a point.... but I have to learn first
[05:05] <bddebian> Bah, learning is over-rated, I should know ;-P
[05:06] <Hobbsee> dqdev: true.  dont feel that you need to get it all under your belt, to try with your first bug.  maybe give it a read thru, until you've got a bit of an idea, and then work through with your first bug, etc
[05:06] <Hobbsee> and feel free to ask for help, here or #ubuntu-bugs
[05:07] <dqdev> thanks
[05:08] <dqdev> if you check '#80474'
[05:09] <dqdev> by desktop file, do they mean an icon at the menu bar?
[05:09] <jussi01> bug 34246 - is this just now needing a sync from debian?
[05:09] <ubotu> Malone bug 34246 in libupnp "New upstream version available" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/34246
[05:10] <ScottK> bug 80474
[05:10] <ubotu> Malone bug 80474 in ketm "ketm doesn't have a desktop-file" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80474
[05:10] <dqdev> yes
[05:13] <ScottK> jussi01: See Bug #80474 again now.
[05:14] <ubotu> Malone bug 80474 in ketm "ketm doesn't have a desktop-file" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80474
[05:14] <ScottK> Sorry wrong bug
[05:14] <ScottK> Bug #34246
[05:14] <ubotu> Malone bug 34246 in libupnp "New upstream version available" [Wishlist,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/34246
[05:15] <dqdev> does it mean that they would like to have the game added into the games menu =??
[05:16] <dqdev> btw, under the bug description there is a link, > add a comment/attachment. Could I post questions there as well?
[05:16] <jussi01> thanks ScottK :D
[05:18] <ScottK> jussi01: Before you mark one of those fix released, check and see if there is an Ubuntu specific version.  Those don't get automatically sync'ed.  They need to be merged.
[05:19] <jussi01> ok...:D I usually ask first anyway...
[05:31] <siretart> btw, can I login to ubuntuforums.org with my lp password?
[05:31] <Hobbsee> siretart: no
[05:31] <Hobbsee> siretart: it's separate
[05:31] <siretart> grr
[05:31] <siretart> why doesn't ubuntuforums.org allow anonymous ro access?!
[05:31] <siretart> grrrr
[05:31] <Hobbsee> siretart: uh, it does?
[05:31] <Hobbsee> last time i checked
[05:31] <siretart> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=343383
[05:31] <siretart> I cannot read that thread. it was referenced in bug #108013
[05:31] <ubotu> Malone bug 108013 in wpasupplicant "wpa_supplicant doesn't work with ndiswrapper anymore" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/108013
[05:31] <Hobbsee> oh, that was probably moved / jailed or something
[05:31] <Hobbsee> perhaps it was part of feisty section, and has changed the links when they moved everything
[05:32] <Hobbsee> siretart: harrassing the relevant parties
[05:56] <ScottK> doko: There is a problem that I believe it would be helpful for you to take a look at.  I think there is somether very subtle going on with either Python/Python Support in Feisty or kde-guidance.  We seem to be accumulating a variety of import error bugs (note that the first one of the list has 24 dupes).  I think it's worth a really focused look at what's going on under the hood.  I don't know enough unfortunately.  See http://tinyurl.com/2by4ga
[05:58] <doko> ScottK: this page wants a msn login?
[05:59] <ScottK> Argh
[05:59] <ScottK> One second
[06:00] <ScottK> doko: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/?field.searchtext=ImportError&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=Unconfirmed&field.status%3Alist=Confirmed&field.status%3Alist=In+Progress&field.status%3Alist=Needs+Info&field.status%3Alist=Fix+Committed&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=
[06:00] <ScottK> I was trying to save you that url...
[06:01] <doko> ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[06:03] <ScottK> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16591/
[06:04] <ScottK> doko:  Bug #97507 Bug #92977 Bug #72233 Bug #99550 Bug #103689
[06:04] <ubotu> Malone bug 97507 in kde-guidance "[apport]  displayconfig-restore.py crashed with ImportError in <module>() - ixf86misc" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/97507
[06:04] <ubotu> Malone bug 92977 in kde-guidance "[apport]  guidance-power-manager.py crashed with ImportError in <module>() dcopext" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92977
[06:04] <ubotu> Malone bug 72233 in kde-guidance "Unable to remove powermanager w/o making displayconfig-restore unuseable" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/72233
[06:04] <ubotu> Malone bug 99550 in kde-guidance "[apport]  guidance-power-manager.py crashed with ImportError in <module>() qt" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/99550
[06:04] <ubotu> Malone bug 103689 in kde-guidance "[apport]  displayconfig-hwprobe.py crashed with ImportError in <module>() ScanPCI" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103689
[06:07] <doko> 72233 looks unrelated
[06:07] <ScottK> I only left that one in because of Riddel's comment
[06:08] <doko> 99550: if the guy removes python-qt3, what does he expect
[06:09] <shawarma> Hm.... MoM is down. Perhaps it's being updated for gutsy?
[06:10] <pochu> what's mom?
[06:10] <shawarma> Merge-o-Matic
[06:10] <shawarma> merges.ubuntu.com
[06:10] <pochu> ty :)
[06:10] <ScottK> doko: I'll follow up on that one.  Oddly enough someone just said they can confirm that.  Odd
[06:10] <micahcowan> Is it possible to update my launchpad GPG key? I've added a uid to the key... it won't let me simply reupload it, since it's already in the database.
[06:10] <geser> MoM is down since weeks
[06:11] <shawarma> geser: it was up this morning.
[06:11] <ScottK> micahcowan: I did that, but don't recall how.
[06:11] <ScottK> I think I had to delete it first, but am not sure.
[06:11] <geser> micahcowan: upload it to a keyserver
[06:13] <micahcowan> geser, yeah, okay: I couldn't remember how to do that (just knew the LP interface); I'd forgotten I could get gpg to do it for me. :)
[06:13] <micahcowan> Thanks
[06:46] <nixternal> what is 'Build-Depends-Indep' used for? It is in the kubuntu-docs package and Lintian doesn't approve of it. Also I am trying to figure out why building a doc pkg with translations takes 8 hours
[06:46] <nixternal> heh, posted that in the wrong channel originally
[06:49] <geser> nixternal: build-depends that are only needed to build arch-'indep'endent (aka arch all) packages
[06:58] <ScottK> nixternal: Debian policy manual Section 7.6 and Footnotes #42
[07:59] <xxxxx1> have a MOTU here?
[08:01] <sharms> yup, a bunch of them
[08:01] <sharms> have a real question?
[08:01] <sharms> !ask
[08:01] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[08:01] <xxxxx1> yes.
[08:02] <xxxxx1> i've uploaded two packages
[08:02] <xxxxx1> trousers and tpm-tools
[08:02] <xxxxx1> to REVU
[08:02] <xxxxx1> anybody can verify them?
[08:02] <xxxxx1> :)
[08:06] <ScottK> xxxxx1: If you give us the links to the pages on REVU, it makes it easier...
[08:06] <xxxxx1> yep. sorry
[08:07] <xxxxx1> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4844
[08:07] <xxxxx1> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4845
[08:15] <ScottK> xxxxx1: I'm on my way out the door, so I just started to look.  I know you need to read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField and adjust Maintainer accordingly
[08:18] <sacater> anyone here use SIP, voip, or gizmoproject
[08:24] <nixternal> what is the difference between, or which is correct => DEB_COMPRESS_EXCLUDE += or :=
[08:25] <bddebian> Hmm, I have never see := used
[08:25] <bddebian> seen even
[08:26] <Jucato> seen it only in Pascal :)
[08:27] <nixternal> ya, I thought it looked funny
[08:27] <bddebian> It may be valid, I have just never seen it
[08:28] <bddebian> I'm kinda dumb ya know :-)
[08:28] <nixternal> hah, whatevah!
[08:28] <gpocentek> nixternal: += concatenates the values, := erases the existing value
[08:28] <nixternal> ahhh, thanks gpocentek 
[08:29] <gpocentek> np :)
[08:29] <gpocentek> good evening BTW ;)
[08:30] <bddebian> Heya gpocentek.  Damn, I was actually going to guess that
[08:31] <gpocentek> hehe
[08:40] <LaserJock> micahcowan: ping
[08:41] <micahcowan> pong
[08:41] <LaserJock> micahcowan: do you really need to request a sync for texlive?
[08:42] <micahcowan> What do you mean?
[08:42] <LaserJock> bug #89675
[08:42] <ubotu> Malone bug 89675 in texlive-base "TeXlive 2005 is highly outdated" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/89675
[08:43] <micahcowan> bug's not mine: just added details and subscribed ubuntu-universe-sponsors so it would actually go somewhere. What do you mean by your question?
[08:43] <LaserJock> well, it'll automatically get synced
[08:43] <LaserJock> we don't need to request anything
[08:45] <micahcowan> I think it hadn't been synced in a couple years... but I'll check on that.
[08:45] <jussi01> hello all
[08:46] <bddebian> Well it should since Debian is moving to texlive from tetex no?
[08:46] <gpocentek> hello jussi01 
[08:47] <bddebian> Hello jussi01
[08:47] <LaserJock> micahcowan: our version is from 2007-01-18
[08:47] <LaserJock> I'd hardly consider that outdated
[08:47] <LaserJock> or not synced
[08:50] <micahcowan> If that's correct, then I believe the Debain version must have been sorely outdated until recently.
[08:50] <LaserJock> no
[08:50] <LaserJock> the version is 2007
[08:50] <LaserJock> how long have we been in 2007?
[08:50] <LaserJock> not all that long
[08:50] <micahcowan> LaserJock, apt-cache show gives me 2005; where are you getting 2007 from?
[08:51] <LaserJock> the 2 releases of texlive are 2005 and 2007
[08:51] <micahcowan> Current sources in feisty are 2005.
[08:51] <LaserJock> until 1 month ago 2005 was the current version
[08:51] <LaserJock> we will get 2007 in gutsy
[08:51] <LaserJock> micahcowan: right, because that was the current upstream version
[08:52] <LaserJock> 2007 entered unstable on 2007-03-22, way too late for us to put it in Feisty
[08:52] <micahcowan> Then what is the bug reporter and confirmer complaining about?
[08:53] <LaserJock> typical stuff
[08:53] <LaserJock> they want the absolute latest version the second it comes out
[08:53] <LaserJock> i'm replying to the bug
[08:53] <LaserJock> and unsubing u-u-s
[08:54] <micahcowan> Okay, do what you think is right: I use tetex mainly (XeTeX, actually, these days: that may take some work to package for Ubuntu, though, as it doesn't currently work out-of-the-box with tetex's installed hyphenation paterns fro LaTeX), so I'm not familiar with the state-of-the-art with texlive (or even how it differs from tetex).
[08:55] <LaserJock> me neither
[08:55] <LaserJock> I hardly us tex at all
[08:55] <LaserJock> but I've been going through the bugs lately
[08:55] <jussi01> can i ask a support question as no-one in #ubuntu has answwered me?
[08:55] <micahcowan> jussi01, unfortunately, no.
[08:56] <micahcowan> You can get support on the users mailing list, though, if IRC isn't working for you: or the forums.
[08:56] <LaserJock> micahcowan: I'm not upste with you or anything. We just need to explain people why 2007 didn't make it into feisty
[08:56] <micahcowan> LaserJock, oh, I know that. But I thought from the bug that perhaps we were using an out-of-date version of "2005", or that perhaps there was a "2006" release that was missed.
[08:57] <LaserJock> 2006 was late so it actually happened in early 2007
[08:57] <LaserJock> but yeah, you'd think from the bug report it was the end of the earth
[08:58] <micahcowan> jussi01, http://ubuntuforums.org for the forums, and https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users for the mailing list (warning: high volume).
[08:59] <LaserJock> jussi01: what kind of question is it?
[08:59] <jussi01> LaserJock, i have some dependency hell
[08:59] <jussi01> ie: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16620/
[09:00] <micahcowan> jussi01, are you running Kubuntu?
[09:00] <LaserJock> jussi01: did you try an apt-get -f install?
[09:00] <jekil> hello
[09:00] <shawarma> jussi01: bonjour is not an Ubuntu package. 
[09:00] <shawarma> jussi01: dpkg -P bonjour, and you're good to go.
[09:00] <jussi01> micahcowan, i tried to install kubuntu desktop
[09:01] <shawarma> jussi01: most likely, anyway.
[09:01] <jussi01> shawarma, thanks a million
[09:01] <shawarma> np
[09:02] <micahcowan> jussi01, that was why you were directed to ask at #kubuntu; did you?
[09:05] <shawarma> micahcowan: Well, it wasn't a kubuntu thing either.
[09:07] <jussi01> yay, now I can get back to packaging. 
[09:22] <jussi01> gpocentek, thanks for reviewing my package :D
[09:25] <gpocentek> jussi01: np ;)
[09:26] <gpocentek> the list of wainting packages on REVU is incredibly long :/
[09:26] <bddebian> Aye
[09:28] <DktrKranz> are gutsy archives open?
[09:28] <bddebian> Not yet afaik
[09:29] <DktrKranz> there will be an official news about, isn't it?
[09:29] <Burgwork> yes
[09:30] <DktrKranz> ok, thanks
[10:05] <xxxxx1> please review my packages
[10:05] <xxxxx1> trousers and tpm-tools
[10:23] <LaserJock> would a Sun Ultra 10 be good for anything?
[10:24] <xxxxx1> yes
[10:24] <xxxxx1> is a good machine.
[10:24] <sharms> good machine doesnt mean anything, say something tangible
[10:25] <Pumpernickel> Doorstop? :)
[10:25] <sharms> ie. Sun Ultra 10 makes a good bzr server, I was able to run a bazaar server with 40 concurrent users
[10:30] <jdong> sharms: what kind of bzr server?
[10:30] <jdong> over HTTP?
[10:30] <jdong> SFTP?
[10:32] <sharms> jdong: its quite obvious: rfc 2549
[10:33] <jdong> of course :)
[10:33] <jdong> suns are great at that :D
[10:34] <sharms> lol
[10:35] <jdong> do most of you guys live with pbuilder performance under ext3?
[10:35] <sharms> I was thinking about getting a new rig for it
[10:35] <Nafallo> jdong: xfs
[10:35] <jdong> I'm toying with a reiserfs loopback on XFS right now
[10:35] <jdong> Nafallo: dude that's worse
[10:35] <jdong> Nafallo: XFS is great at a lot of things, but not deletion
[10:36] <jdong> delete pbuilder XFS: 5.4s, Delete pbuilder reiserfs: 0.2s
[10:36] <Nafallo> I wouldn't dare reiser :-)
[10:36] <jdong> extract XFS: 19.5s, extract reiserfs: 5s
[10:36] <jdong> Nafallo: hence why I'm loopbacking :)
[10:36] <jdong> only mounting pbuilder zone in it
[10:36] <jdong> of course, running my laptop on XFS is pretty foolish too
[10:36] <jdong> but I'm desperate, I need large file performance
[10:37] <sharms> Any new deployments I am in charge of only get ext3, no reisfer
[10:37] <sharms> and if we get time we are moving all old machines off of it
[10:37] <jdong> I love ext3 for general purpose
[10:37] <jdong> but this machine does a lot of torrenting
[10:37] <sharms> I just cant trust reiser with hans being in jail
[10:37] <jdong> and ext3 isn't being too great at that for me
[10:38] <jdong> at the end of a 5.0GB torrent I can read it back at 4MB/s
[10:38] <jdong> filefrags shows a good 5100 fragments
[10:39] <LaserJock> well, somebody in my LUG want's to get rid of an Ultra 10 and I wondered if I should pick it up for MOTU work
[10:39] <jdong> sounds like fun though
[10:39] <jdong> my roommate just dragged in some computer
[10:39] <jdong> I looked inside and saw EDO SIMMS
[10:39] <jdong> I told him to sell off the EDO RAM and send the rest off to recycling...
[10:41] <sharms> I heard that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Spec/EnhancedBash  can really make ultra 10s run good
[10:42] <LaserJock> shesh
[10:42] <LaserJock> :-)
[10:42] <cbx33> hehehe
[10:42] <sharms> LaserJock: I will post pie charts later
[10:44] <xxxxx1> bzr is good?
[10:44] <xxxxx1> is like svn, right?
[10:44] <sharms> bzr is awesome
[10:44] <sharms> I use it for several internal projects
[10:48] <sharms> Does anyone know of a way to revoke nixternal 's membership from ubuntu?
[10:50] <jdong> sharms: I can set his forum avatar to automatix. would that help?
[10:52] <ScottK> sharms: What's the problem with nixternal?  That he prefers a desktop with power and flexibility?
[10:53] <shawarma> ScottK: Yeah. What's that all about?
[10:53] <shawarma> ScottK: :-)
[10:57] <sharms> ScottK: oooh burn
[10:57] <sharms> jdong: ha that would be hilarious
[11:03] <nixternal> why does pbuilder take so much longer than debuild? pbuilder on kubuntu-docs translations == 8hrs, with debuild == 20min
[11:08] <jdong> nixternal: probably satisfydeps....
[11:08] <nixternal> sharms: you know what, me using KDE on Linux is better than you and your Windows obsession
[11:08] <jdong> nixternal: and that doesn't call moc, does it?
[11:08] <jdong> anything that calls moc will be dead slow in pbuilder
[11:08] <nixternal> not that I know of, but then again you just through one over my head a little
[11:08] <jdong> it will always do a Connection Timed Out....
[11:08] <nixternal> the slow part is the Makefile and the building of the actual docs
[11:09] <nixternal> otherwise it seems to run fine
[11:11] <nixternal> is it due to the fact that pbuilder doesn't use an internet connection? in order to build docs, since they follow a DTD, there are includes that are read from the internet
[11:11] <nixternal> I am thinking that is the problem
[11:13] <sharms> nixternal: hey check out the pic I added to my spec: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Spec/EnhancedBash
[11:13] <nixternal> what is it? my kernel getting hosed from your silly script ;p
[11:14] <sharms> ha that was a nixternal specific bug
[11:14] <nixternal> ya, created by sharms 
[11:14] <nixternal> dude, the wiki stinks
[11:14] <nixternal> hahahahahahahahahahhaa
[11:14] <nixternal> omfg!#@#@
[11:14] <sharms> I figured I got to start doing some marketing
[11:14] <jdong> sharms: lol you are an advertising beast :)
[11:14] <sharms> haha
[11:15] <Spec> great!
[11:15] <sharms> I still need to make my propaganda that labels my spec as a "windows vista killer"
[11:15] <nixternal> sharms: the Internet is the Vista killer anyways
[11:15] <nixternal> well at least this week, since they all got infected by w/o even knowing about it
[11:16] <sharms> yeah but imagine if I can make up a super silly article and get it on like osnews.com 
[11:16] <nixternal> FREE REISER!
[11:16] <sharms> or dig
[11:16] <nixternal> ya, I don't read osnews, digg, or /.
[11:16] <sharms> well I am hip with the kids
[11:16] <nixternal> they are all propaganda blogs if you ask me
[11:16] <jdong> digg, lol...
[11:16] <jdong> look . away. from. comments.
[11:17] <DarkSun88> Hi
[11:20] <sharms> nixternal: do me a favor and mark bug #1 a duplicate of 103986 (EnhancedBash)
[11:20] <ubotu> Malone bug 1 in jl "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[11:21] <nixternal> hahaha
[11:21] <nixternal> hell no
[11:21] <sharms> ok ok I'm done
[11:21] <jdong> lol
[11:21] <nixternal> I would love to close bug #1 though
[11:21] <nixternal> they should just move it to the forums already
[11:21] <nixternal> or close commenting on it
[11:23] <sabdfl> evening all
[11:23] <sharms> uh oh
[11:23] <sabdfl> happy release party :-)
[11:23] <sabdfl> hey sharms
[11:23] <nixternal> hola sabdfl 
[11:23] <Nafallo> hi sabdfl :-)
[11:23] <sharms> sabdfl: I thought you were coming because I wanted bug #1 to be marked as a duplicate of #103986 (enhancedbash)
[11:23] <ubotu> Malone bug 1 in jl "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[11:23] <sabdfl> everybody happy with the week?
[11:23] <nixternal> hahaha
[11:23] <nixternal> sabdfl: nope!
[11:23] <sabdfl> sharms - launchpad mails me when anybody hovers their mouse over that button ;-)
[11:24] <sabdfl> nixternal: doko's on it
[11:24] <jdong> sabdfl: ubuntu-land is great, but for the rest of the world this week has been tough :-/
[11:24] <nixternal> woohoo
[11:24] <shawarma> Yeah. Feisty is boring. Go gutsy!
[11:24] <sabdfl> jdong: ?
[11:24] <sabdfl> who here is in the LP beta team?
[11:24] <Nafallo> :-P
[11:24] <jdong> sabdfl: current events have been pretty tough this past week :(
[11:24] <nixternal> sabdfl: I am
[11:25] <Nafallo> sabdfl: me :-)
[11:25] <sabdfl> jdong: ah, yes. very hard to understand
[11:25] <jdong> indeed.
[11:25] <sabdfl> ok, beta testers, i'd love feedback on a new thing in beta.lp.net
[11:25] <sabdfl> i'll mail about it later
[11:25] <nixternal> roger
[11:25] <sabdfl> but in short, you can now offer to mentor a bug, or spec
[11:25] <Nafallo> okidoki :-)
[11:26] <sabdfl> and people can see lists of the mentorship offerings
[11:26] <nixternal> ooh, now that is cool
[11:26] <Nafallo> nice :-)
[11:26] <cbx33> sabdfl, did you say the mailing list functionality of LP is there now?
[11:26] <cbx33> or coming soon?
[11:26] <nixternal> so I can mentor kubuntu* bugs and let Riddell work on all of them ;)
[11:26] <sabdfl> cbx33: no, not for a couple of months i'm afraid
[11:26] <cbx33> doh!
[11:26] <cbx33> :p
[11:26] <sabdfl> also, next week the voting starts on new CC nominations
[11:27] <nixternal> I vote for PETE!
[11:27] <sabdfl> but i'll announce that separately
[11:27] <sabdfl> anyhow, xxxxx1 pinged me to ask about getting packages reviews
[11:27] <cbx33> Pete who?
[11:27] <sabdfl> he'd uploaded some to REVU, I think
[11:27] <nixternal> haha you!
[11:27] <cbx33> heh yeh right ;)
[11:27] <sabdfl> who's the right person to ping about that?
[11:27] <sabdfl> xxxxx1: which packages again?
[11:27] <sharms> sabdfl: can you review some of my planning for future releases real quick: http://www.sharms.org/img/prototype.jpg
[11:27] <nixternal> hahahaha
[11:27] <xxxxx1> sabdfl: trousers and tpm-tools
[11:28] <sabdfl> sharms: we only do cute and cuddly animals, i'm afraid
[11:28] <nixternal> sharms: please quit playing with MSPain
[11:28] <sabdfl> in 13 years, i'll be... hoary
[11:28] <cbx33> sabdfl, we can give yo ua fur suit
[11:28] <nixternal> mspaint!
[11:28] <nixternal> hahahaha
[11:28] <sabdfl> :-)
[11:28] <shawarma> xxxxx1: What is the trousers package. I think googling "trousers" won't work..
[11:28] <nixternal> I almost puked
[11:28] <nixternal> shawarma: lol
[11:28] <Nafallo> sabdfl: but that means gutsy+1 won't be Horny Human? :-/
[11:28] <Nafallo> ;-)
[11:29] <sabdfl> could be Horny Hammerhead, tho
[11:29] <xxxxx1> shawarma: trousers.sf.net
[11:29] <sharms> ha
[11:29] <nixternal> haha
[11:29] <xxxxx1> shawarma: i'm using on a TPM project in my company.
[11:29] <Nafallo> lol
[11:29] <nixternal> hairy hampster
[11:29] <nixternal> I know that is the name ;)
[11:29] <nixternal> it is cute and cuddly
[11:29] <nixternal> yay spelling
[11:30] <cbx33> BLARG...
[11:30] <Nafallo> nixternal: and hamster dance could be popular again :-)
[11:30] <cbx33> why doesn't openoffice handle comments from MSOffice right
[11:30] <cbx33> this is VERY frustrating
[11:30] <nixternal> if anyone can explain to me what is wrong with people in the US, I am all ears. they have a gunman now at NASA
[11:30] <soothsay> wtf
[11:30] <nixternal> ya
[11:31] <nixternal> lol
[11:31] <nixternal> you aren't going to live that one down, you should just change your nick to the wiki url
[11:31] <Nafallo> what's this EnhancedBash-thingie?
[11:31] <Nafallo> how to bash people properly? :-)
[11:31] <nixternal> ya, how to bash your kernel listening to sharms
[11:31] <sharms> I am glad you asked!  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Spec/EnhancedBash
[11:31] <nixternal> err, Grub rather
[11:31] <nixternal> hahahahahaha
[11:32] <nixternal> I am glad you asked! classic
[11:32] <Nafallo> :-)
[11:32] <sharms> well I only link to it when people ask so I don't spam :)
[11:32] <nixternal> I heard the Soyuz left space trash during that last trip
[11:32] <nixternal> and I heard Microsoft wants it back
[11:34] <LaserJock> sabdfl: did we answer your REVU question?
[11:35] <nixternal> LaserJock: nope
[11:35] <nixternal> I was going to say you, but decided not to
[11:35] <LaserJock> hehe
[11:35] <nixternal> they starting talking about wrapping sabdfl in fur, and I about tossed my cookies
[11:35] <sharms> hey is anyone here who can stand me going to the Oregon conference?
[11:36] <sharms> Ha be careful or I will move back to chicago
[11:36] <nixternal> LaserJock: I need you assistance
[11:36] <LaserJock> nixternal: of course you do
[11:36] <nixternal> sharms: that is alright, I will have crack-head fred rob your car again
[11:36] <LaserJock> what's up?
[11:37] <sharms> haha
[11:37] <nixternal> LaserJock: kubuntu-docs w/ translations takes 8 hours to build with pbuilder and only 20 minutes with debuild
[11:37] <Nafallo> morning Fujitsu :-)
[11:37] <nixternal> what gives?
[11:37] <nixternal> hola Fujitsu!
[11:37] <jdong> nixternal: got a pbuilder log?
[11:37] <Fujitsu> Hi Nafallo.
[11:37] <nixternal> jdong: I could make one, if you are up in 8 hours you can read it
[11:37] <Fujitsu> Somebody is trying to get themselves killed on -devel-discuss, I would say.
[11:38] <LaserJock> nixternal: probably dependency resolution
[11:38] <Fujitsu> Volunteering to help maintain TeX... That's crazy.
[11:38] <nixternal> the time wasted is during the 'make kdeb' 
[11:38] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: who said that?
[11:38] <Nafallo> Fujitsu: what are we planning for gutsy mplayer? replacing it with a very small dash-script? :-)
[11:38] <Fujitsu> Brent Stephens, in the second latest message, a few hours back.
[11:38] <sharms> Fujitsu: I don't see it yet?
[11:38] <Fujitsu> Nafallo: Um, hopefully we'll have a 1.0 by then.
[11:39] <Fujitsu> And it will hopefully actually sort of work.
[11:39] <Nafallo> Fujitsu: LOL. what did you smoke now? ;-)
[11:40] <sharms> Fujitsu: is this on devel or devel-discuss
[11:40] <Fujitsu> sharms: -devel-discuss, about 7.5 hours ago.
[11:40] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: I'm thinking of an ubuntu-tex team
[11:41] <jdong> nixternal: just partially dump a log
[11:41] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: I think that's a good idea.
[11:41] <ajmitch> hi
[11:41] <jdong> nixternal: pbuilder foo &> log.txt
[11:41] <jdong> nixternal: and let it run for like 10 minute and paste us the output
[11:41] <geser> LaserJock: I might consider joining it
[11:41] <ajmitch> ah, sabdfl is here again, hello
[11:42] <sabdfl> hey ajmitch
[11:42] <Fujitsu> Hi sabdfl.
[11:42] <sabdfl> so, any volunteers to look at those two packages from xxxxx1?
[11:42] <sabdfl> hey Fujitsu, hapy release week :-)
[11:42] <sabdfl> erk
[11:42] <sabdfl> always a p short
[11:42] <Fujitsu> To you too!
[11:43] <Fujitsu> Hopefully better than Edgy, at least.
[11:43] <Nafallo> i only seed 140K. no good release :-P
[11:44] <LaserJock> sabdfl: I'm on it
[11:44] <sabdfl> LaserJock: thanks!
[11:44] <Fujitsu> xxxxx1?
[11:44] <ajmitch> LaserJock: NB: dh_movefiles usage is considered deprecated
[11:45] <nixternal> jdong: the output you will get is just pbuilder running through the makefile like it should. for some reason it running through the makefile is what makes it take forever
[11:45] <xxxxx1> me
[11:47] <LaserJock> ajmitch: was that me?
[11:47] <sacater> anyone got any idea when the gutsy beta will be out for devekoping 'i may have asked this, as i am feeling deja vu'
[11:47] <ajmitch> LaserJock: you're the reviewer :)
[11:47] <sharms> sacater: I believe you asked 25 hours ago
[11:47] <LaserJock> ajmitch: oh yeah
[11:47] <sacater> sharms: then its not deja vu :(
[11:47] <nixternal> sacater: I wouldn't call it beta, but doko is working on the toolchain as we speak
[11:48] <sacater> cool
[11:48] <sacater> good for doku! :P
[11:48] <LaserJock> sacater: seriously, wait until after UDS
[11:48] <sharms> I am very scared of gcc 4.2
[11:49] <Fujitsu> sacater: September 27th is beta, but I'm sure that's not what you were asking.
[11:50] <minghua> LaserJock, Fujitsu: any of you plan to reply that texlive maintenance email to -devel-disscuss?
[11:50] <LaserJock> minghua: yep
[11:50] <minghua> good
[11:52] <LaserJock> I think it's time for a team
[11:54] <Burgwork> ajmitch: just need to get yourself a job working on ubuntu...or a deriv
[11:55] <LaserJock> minghua, Fujitsu, geser: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tex
[11:55] <ajmitch> Burgwork: we'll see
[12:09] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Now we just need a core-dev to sponsor us.
[12:10] <Fujitsu> When did +mugshots appear for teams? Not a bad idea.
[12:10] <ajmitch> evilly?
[12:12] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: Mark did it recently