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[12:47] wondering: ask #kubuntu this is not the right channel === rexbron [n=rexbron@gw-312.somanetworks.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:05] yay, golden pony awards! === mwolson [i=mwolson@jpi-wlafyte-212-116.dmisinetworks.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Monk-e [n=guido-fe@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TLE [n=kenneth@217.74.211.126] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xtknight [n=xtknight@c-68-43-122-102.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rexbron [n=rexbron@gw-312-705.somanetworks.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Bartisimo [n=ba@72-161-121-18.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rexbron [n=rexbron@gw-312-705.somanetworks.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Monk-e [n=guido-fe@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Monk-e [n=guido-fe@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superm1_ [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:58] sacater: I have been corresponding with Uber on the Gentoo startup system, but our startup system already leverages C (upstart) [01:58] sacater: can you expand more on your comment earlier? === Yasumoto_ [n=joe@trailers66.chapman.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:58] does feisty use upstart? [01:59] jmg: yes [01:59] this is the first time ive ever used a virtual machine that was faster than the guest os [01:59] jmg: edgy+n uses upstart [01:59] host os* [02:00] ha [02:00] jmg: you should put a guest VM inside of the guest VM [02:01] thats when things get crazy [02:01] now i want to upgrade my home box [02:01] but i dont want to wreck my freevo setup [02:03] what about feisty xubuntu? [02:04] what about it? xubuntu.com has links to it [02:05] jmg: maybe you need to put yourself in a vm === sharms ponders if that is actually an insult [02:05] heh === koke_ [n=koke@208.25.32.132] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:11] uh oh [02:11] i just tried to open ooo [02:12] is it bugged? === Monk-e [n=guido-fe@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:15] is it just me or does ooo not work under the livecd at all? === jmg checks launchpad === MrK [n=rich@techish.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asantoni [n=alb@bas7-london14-1177945852.dsl.bell.ca] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Ex-Chat"] === jikanter [n=jordan@c-24-12-220-77.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gnomonic [n=niels@cpe.atm2-0-10282.0x50a09aee.bynxx12.customer.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ash-Fox [i=UNKNOWN@fgd182.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #Ubuntu-motu === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #ubuntu-motu === micahcowan [n=micahcow@ubuntu/member/micahcowan] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gouki_ [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:23] When is a simple patch preferable to a debdiff? For instance, in the case of packages that get heavy development and are either synced often or get frequent bugfixes, is it better to supply a plain diff and let the package maintainers decide how it should fall with ordering/package-version? [03:23] hmm [03:23] whats blocking freevo from universe? [03:24] micahcowan: a simple patch is preferrable when you are simply changing the code of the package, not the packaging [03:24] micahcowan: generally a debdiff is preferrable, because you usually will change the debian changelog [03:26] Well, I can't think of an instance where the changelog won't be changed; but OTOH the way I change it may not end up being the way the maintainers want it changed (especially if they want to fold several patches into the next build: why bump it once per patch?--or, they could also end up with conflicting patches to the same build number) [03:26] is it easier in such cases to simply provide a patch, or will they just edit the diffs to deal with "merge" issues? [03:28] huh [03:28] I dont know what assumptions you'r emaking [03:29] Well, if both I and Foo provide a patch on bar to bar-0ubuntu1, then simply applying my debdiff, and then his, won't work: chunks of Foo's debdiff will be rejected, and the developer will have to deal with resolving issues, at least with the changelog. === jmg [n=cartel@shinobi.thoughtcrime.org.nz] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [03:34] micahcowan: thats called merging :) [03:35] Alright: so pretty much always, debdiff > diff -u === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RAOF [n=Chris_@matht464.maths.unsw.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RedKrieg [n=RedKrieg@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DarkMageZ [n=richard@ppp6-91.lns4.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === evand_ [n=evand@acm.pct.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-105-15.auto.rp80.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xarquid [n=xarquid@adsl-4-146-43.gsp.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lupine_85 [i=lupine@nick.lupine.me.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === micahcowan [n=micah@ubuntu/member/micahcowan] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck [n=nate@24-183-45-79.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cypherdelic [n=cypherde@port-87-234-140-151.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rexbron_ [n=rexbron@gw-312.somanetworks.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mjunx [n=matt@adsl-70-131-145-219.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu === macd [n=d@adsl-222-22-190.msy.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === philwyett [n=philip@bb-87-81-146-45.ukonline.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajslater [n=aj@netblock-66-159-226-33.dslextreme.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bronson [n=bronson@66.237.74.66.ptr.us.xo.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rexbron [n=rexbron@complex1-372-179.resnet.yorku.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck [n=nate@24-183-45-79.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vil [n=vladimir@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu === micahcowan thinks kicking off a pbuilder create today was a bad idea... [07:08] micahcowan: taking a few hours to grab packages? [07:09] ajmitch, well, not yet, but probably (I've only been running it around an hour). [07:09] hehe [07:09] I /did/ upgrade to feisty on my work machine, though, and that's probably taken at least 6 hours (I left before it was done) [07:10] Guess I'll have to wait before I can work on an edgy package, now :) [07:12] :P === danohuigin1 [n=dan@p54bed3c3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-motu.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Documentation | Add yourself to http://tinyurl.com/fgpgy to upload to REVU | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/TODO | http://ajmitch.net.nz/~ajmitch/missing-fixes-rc.html | HAPPY UNIVERSE HUG DAY | Entire archive is frozen for release === Topic (#ubuntu-motu): set by pochu at Thu Apr 19 22:35:02 2007 === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ssteinbr [n=ssteinbr@c-24-21-86-240.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === giskard [n=giskard@213-140-22-74.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === marcin_ant [n=marcin@194.114.146.126] has joined #ubuntu-motu === reggaemanu_ [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-63-201.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-11-60.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Neonightmare [n=neonight@40.86.203.62.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Neonightmare [n=neonight@40.86.203.62.cust.bluewin.ch] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Ash-Fox [i=UNKNOWN@fgd182.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #Ubuntu-motu === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bluefoxicy [n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Monk-e [n=guido-fe@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tsmithe [n=toby@ubuntu/member/tsmithe] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vil [n=lada@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-105-15.auto.rp80.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tiCo89 [i=mario@aphrodite.dmz.marioiseli.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === koke [n=koke@72-165-115-225.dia.static.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F768CF.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:04] good morning [09:04] Good Morning dholbach [09:04] hey joejaxx [09:05] it seems like the week is one big day for me [09:05] lol === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-187-225.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:05] i should start saying Good { Morning, Afternoon, Night } [09:05] :P [09:13] hi there [09:13] hello [09:13] <\sh> moins === bigon [i=bigon@imladris.bigon.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:14] Good Morning \sh === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@a88-114-229-220.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:18] hmm... no laserjock in here === asantoni [n=alb@bas7-london14-1177945852.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dqdev [n=dqdev@biompc01.tu-graz.ac.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:45] hello there! [09:45] hi dqdev [09:46] I have a question concerning bugs and distros [09:46] fire away [09:46] as my 1st easy assignment I tried to fix the bug 105515 [09:46] Malone bug 105515 in supertux "Missing menu icon for superTux" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105515 [09:46] an easy one... [09:47] but then I downloaded the source here at work (ubuntu 7.04) [09:47] and saw that the bug at least for this versio is fixed!!! [09:47] oh super [09:47] then we can close the bug? [09:48] Nice: [09:48] `I have recently upgraded from hoary to feisty and I now no longer have a graphical boot up' [09:48] i don't really know. I installed the program from the repositories [09:48] and installed it [09:48] and the menu image was there [09:48] dholbach: Indeed, it is fixed. [09:48] ok [09:48] should I report it at launchpad [09:48] ? === davromaniak [n=cyril@AFontenayssB-152-1-89-148.w86-218.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:49] dqdev, if its fixed you can close it... [09:49] how do I do that? [09:49] click on the package name [09:49] in the middle of the page [09:49] then mark the bug as 'fix released' [09:50] ok [09:50] karma! [09:50] :D [09:52] somebody did it [09:52] now it says FIx Releashed [09:53] i thought that if you had a bug assigned you were the only one that could work with it [09:58] ok, can someone tell me what emacs is and why _everyone_ hates it? [09:59] it's an editor and rms loves it [09:59] lol [09:59] ok [09:59] so do people hate it? [09:59] some people do [10:01] oops, forgot the why... [10:01] so why do people hate it? [10:01] there is only VIM for me [10:02] jussi01: Because vim is better, of course. [10:02] <3 vim. [10:02] lol [10:02] uh oh not the emacs/vi{m}/nano wars [10:02] !start an editor war [10:02] lol === jussi01 goes back to reading laserjocks blog... [10:03] Bah, stuff you ubotu-ng. === pochu [n=emilio@131.Red-83-57-165.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === effie_jayx [n=l3ap@190.37.175.250] has joined #ubuntu-motu === allee [n=ach@dialin-145-254-254-023.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:20] since when is nano involved in editor wars? [10:21] minghua, since vim smacked it around the head... :P [10:22] vim is usually nice, I think nano didn't see clearly - it must be emacs... :-) [10:22] hehe [10:54] nano is cool :p [10:56] lupine_85: Very questionable. 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Can anyone explain why en en_US ctrl-o is a logical key combination to save a file? === DarkSun88 [n=Ma@unaffiliated/darksun88] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:50] Hi all. [01:51] Hi [01:52] ScottK: didn't nano say ctrl-o means writeOut itself? [01:52] Something like that [01:52] It's not as unintuitive as clicking Start to turn of the computer, but it's up there. [01:55] For saving files, Ctrl-s is a pretty standard thing. Dunno why they have to work at being different. [01:55] Of course at least you can read it on the scrren. [01:55] screen [01:56] Esc :wq is pretty well programmed into my fingers, but it took a while to get it there. [01:56] nano must picked up it's shortcut keys from pico [01:57] and I'm not sure ctrl-s is standard in the pico days [01:57] s/is/was/ === ScottK has never used pico. === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i59F76736.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@218.108.19.138] has joined #ubuntu-motu === finalbeta_ [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === effie_jayx [n=l3ap@190.37.175.250] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:19] hi, which package can i find gfxXlibSurface.h in? [02:19] None, on Edgy at least. [02:19] and feisty? === arejay [n=rj@unaffiliated/rj-] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:20] Hrm. My apt-file seems to be borked [02:22] hmm, how exactly do you run a search for it? [02:22] I'd suggest you install apt-file. [02:22] Then apt-file update ; apt-file search gfxXlibSurface.h [02:23] Right, apt-file is dumb. [02:27] hmm, does apt-file generally spit out nothing while it runs? [02:27] and not use any cpu [02:30] you need to setup the database before first use IIRC [02:32] with a quick look @ the man file (without properly reading it) it looks like i need to download a lot of packages as a cache so apt-file can search them for the desired file [02:33] DarkMageZ: you can also use packages.ubuntu.com for the search === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:35] Hi Hobbsee [02:35] hmm, anyone already running feisty with this setup able to run the search? === allee [n=ach@dialin-145-254-255-241.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === alleeHol [n=ach@dialin-145-254-255-241.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee waves [02:37] :) === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:39] <\sh> looks like apt-file is broken [02:39] looks like debian doesn't have the file i want. they've got a search on their packages page === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-187-225.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@a88-114-229-220.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:01] The Gutsy repositories exist. Look what distros this is published in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ipython/0.7.3-1 === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:04] ScottK: they might exist but they arent open yet :) [03:05] i'm sure we can try uploading.... === iceman [n=iceman@cable-87-244-154-165.upc.chello.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:05] Well I want to know when I can upgrade ;-) [03:06] oh, a.u.c is still dying [03:07] neat, dapper->feisty works with only minor hair-tearing. [03:07] nice === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:08] crimsun: KDE or Gnome? [03:09] ScottK: I've only tested Ubuntu (so the latter) [03:09] OK. [03:09] I have a scheduled test for the former later this afternoon. [03:10] Thanks. I've got Dapper with KDE 3.5.5, so I'm wondering how that would go. It might actually go better directly than via Edgy since Edgy has 3.5.5. === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:29] Heya gang [03:29] hey bddebian [03:30] hi bddebian here too [03:30] Hi pochu and Jucato again :_) === manchicken [n=manchkn@ubuntu/member/manchicken] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:31] Any postgres motus about? [03:31] Hi bddebian [03:32] manchicken: I only use postgres but perhaps I can help you === Ipsissimus [n=Tamryre@dhcp11115.physics.fsu.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:32] PostgreSQL is in main [03:33] Heya geser [03:37] only PostgreSQL 8.2 is main, 8.1 is universe === esaym [n=user@cpe-72-183-202-162.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:43] pitti takes care of 8.1 anyway I hope? :-) [03:43] probably not if it's in universe. [03:43] crimsun: Do you remember the KDM/GDM shutdown bug we were discussing a few days ago? [03:43] ScottK: yes, and I read seb's rebuttal. === ScottK is searching in vain for that bug again. [03:43] Someone's having a similar problem over on #kubuntu-devel === luisbg [n=d33p@87.217.144.182] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:43] Any chance you've got/could easily point me at the bug#? [03:43] Damnit, another mentor request... :-( [03:43] BTW, are you convinced by the rebuttal? === manchicken_ [n=manchkn@adsl-76-199-11-5.dsl.chmpil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:44] Sorry about that. Wireless at this coffee shop kinda sucks. [03:46] good evening [03:46] Heya zakame === d33p__ [n=d33p@87.217.145.32] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:47] hi bddebian :D === danohuiginn [n=dan@p54BECD4A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:47] So, anybody know how to install tsearch on ubuntu? [03:48] have you tried installing postgresql-contrib-8.2 and activating it in your db? [03:49] geser: Nope. That is precisely the answer I was hoping for. [03:51] I found the bug I was looking for... [03:52] yeah === Prezu [i=patryk@dug.net.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fernando__ [n=fernando@189.0.148.54] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Prezu [i=patryk@dug.net.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:57] ScottK: I trust seb's judgment in gdm* matters. [03:57] OK [03:57] Thanks [03:57] And I didn't find the bug after all... [03:57] Arghhh. [03:58] bug 64695 ? [03:58] Malone bug 64695 in kdebase "KDE logout dialog is missing shutdown and restart options" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/64695 === d33p__ is now known as luisbg_ [03:59] That's the one. [03:59] Thanks === manchicken__ [n=manchkn@adsl-76-199-11-5.dsl.chmpil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:12] Is everything compatible with 8.2? [04:12] I removed 8.1 and everything seems to have gone stupid that uses 8.1. [04:13] I'm trying to purge and reinstall postgres and the stuff that was removed as a dependency. [04:13] Wow. [04:13] That was like an out of body experience. [04:13] Damn this wireless sucks. [04:13] Yep [04:19] I wish upgrading postgres was easier. [04:20] hmmm, why dont i have python-libgaim.... === Flam3 [i=Flame@oh-71-54-94-38.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:25] Well that was easy. === gnomonic [n=niels@cpe.atm2-0-10282.0x50a09aee.bynxx12.customer.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:26] woohoo === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:27] I got out of jury duty this morning with this famous quote "there should be more drug dealers" === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:27] isn't it too early on your side [04:27] like 9am? [04:27] 9:30 [04:28] Jury duty starts at 7am here [04:28] ick [04:28] ya [04:28] lol [04:28] Nice. [04:28] court opens at 8 [04:28] they will just send me another thing in a few months to try again === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:28] it seems vmware server doesn't like this kernel at the moment [04:28] see, a couple of years ago I never realized that if you didn't go, they would put out a warrant for your arrest [04:28] i guess ill have to wait for an update [04:29] nixternal: Doesn't that like, get you a surveillance detail or something? [04:29] jsgotangco: you need to read the howto on the forusm -> feisty vmware server [04:29] ahh === jsgotangco checks [04:29] jsgotangco: also the h.u.c/community/vmwareserver or whatever will also help [04:29] hmm === nixternal is running vmware server on feisty on my amd64 for katapult screenshots for KDE [04:30] i've run vmwaver for years ;-) im just trying it now on feisty [04:30] the vmon doesn't compile for now so i will chekc [04:30] ya, there is a little tweaking to do in order for it to build vmmon and vmnet on the 2.6.20 kernel [04:30] hey, wait one sec [04:31] nm, I had a vmmon.tar and vmnet.tar for feisty and now I can't find them [04:31] must be lost in your Vista partition. [04:32] these tweaks may not be useful anymore once a new version of the server comes out === luisbg_ [n=d33p@87.217.144.67] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:38] nixternal, dude... did you *really* say that? [04:39] I sure did. Jury duty is horrible ;) [04:39] rofl [04:39] I don't want to be responsible for ruining someone elses life [04:40] nixternal: is this the "any-any" patch? [04:40] don't use the any-any patch. it won't work for the latest vmware [04:40] at least it didn't work for me [04:40] i guessed that too [04:41] jsgotangco: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware/Server [04:41] read the 7.04 section towards the middle === tmarble [n=tmarble@user-38q4et6.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:41] wow its already updated [04:41] elkbuntu: i think we should use that, if we ever get called up for it [04:41] haha [04:42] the only cool thing about jury duty at DuPage is that their information kiosks are Ubuntu [04:42] nice [04:42] Hobbsee, i got called up once, was the last in the line to be selected.. never got to being considered [04:43] elkbuntu: this is probably a stupid question, but you'd *have* a court where you are, right? [04:43] myself and a fellow LUG guy had jury duty last year, he got stuck doing it, but anyways we were sitting in the room and we heard the familiar jungle tune from Ubuntu as they were firing up the kiosks [04:43] you must do... [04:43] Hobbsee, yep [04:43] pity [04:43] else you could say "i cant get to sydney, kthxdie. [04:43] haha [04:43] Hobbsee, !! [04:43] hi jussi01! [04:43] Hobbsee, most centers have a local/magistrates if nothing else [04:44] elkbuntu: pity. [04:44] supreme tours the centers [04:45] ahhh === Hobbsee avoided getting lasered tonight, too :) [04:45] flashing cop car lights gave it away [04:45] nice...:D [04:45] and everyone was slowing down to see why they'd pulled cars over === Hobbsee has a problem with laserjock's pony awards === dqdev [n=dqdev@biompc01.tu-graz.ac.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:58] the ponies are simply NOT GOLD ENOUGH! [04:58] hello there... still on my attempt to fix my 1st bug [04:59] have a question === Monk-e [n=guido-fe@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:59] when I look at a bug info [04:59] and I choose Assigned to ME [04:59] can others work on the bug and file a solution or reported as fixed? === DarkSun88 [n=Ma@unaffiliated/darksun88] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:00] Hi [05:02] dqdev: yes they can - but they likely wont, as they're assuming that you're working on it [05:02] dqdev: better to subscribe yourself, if you're interested in it [05:02] ok, I will [05:03] and what exactly does 'wishlist' mean? [05:03] that it's not urgent, but they would like to have it? [05:03] yeah [05:04] that it's not a bug, ie, a problem with the software, but a "we wish to have this" [05:04] ok... then I should really start from there [05:04] dqdev: i think https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs may help you, with the bug stuff [05:04] i think that's optimal for newbies as me [05:04] (and the links off there) [05:04] start wherever interests you :) [05:05] that's a point.... but I have to learn first [05:05] Bah, learning is over-rated, I should know ;-P [05:06] dqdev: true. dont feel that you need to get it all under your belt, to try with your first bug. maybe give it a read thru, until you've got a bit of an idea, and then work through with your first bug, etc === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:06] and feel free to ask for help, here or #ubuntu-bugs [05:07] thanks === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:08] if you check '#80474' [05:09] by desktop file, do they mean an icon at the menu bar? [05:09] bug 34246 - is this just now needing a sync from debian? [05:09] Malone bug 34246 in libupnp "New upstream version available" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34246 === fowlduck [n=nate@205.213.122.46] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:10] bug 80474 [05:10] Malone bug 80474 in ketm "ketm doesn't have a desktop-file" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80474 [05:10] yes === asantoni [n=alb@bas7-london14-1177945156.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:13] jussi01: See Bug #80474 again now. [05:14] Malone bug 80474 in ketm "ketm doesn't have a desktop-file" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80474 [05:14] Sorry wrong bug [05:14] Bug #34246 [05:14] Malone bug 34246 in libupnp "New upstream version available" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34246 [05:15] does it mean that they would like to have the game added into the games menu =?? [05:16] btw, under the bug description there is a link, > add a comment/attachment. Could I post questions there as well? [05:16] thanks ScottK :D [05:18] jussi01: Before you mark one of those fix released, check and see if there is an Ubuntu specific version. Those don't get automatically sync'ed. They need to be merged. [05:19] ok...:D I usually ask first anyway... [05:31] btw, can I login to ubuntuforums.org with my lp password? === micahcowan [n=micah@ubuntu/member/micahcowan] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:31] siretart: no [05:31] siretart: it's separate [05:31] grr [05:31] why doesn't ubuntuforums.org allow anonymous ro access?! [05:31] grrrr [05:31] siretart: uh, it does? [05:31] last time i checked [05:31] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=343383 [05:31] I cannot read that thread. it was referenced in bug #108013 [05:31] Malone bug 108013 in wpasupplicant "wpa_supplicant doesn't work with ndiswrapper anymore" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/108013 [05:31] oh, that was probably moved / jailed or something [05:31] perhaps it was part of feisty section, and has changed the links when they moved everything [05:32] siretart: harrassing the relevant parties === asantoni [n=alb@bas7-london14-1177945156.dsl.bell.ca] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Ex-Chat"] === effie_jayx [n=valles@190.37.175.250] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tenshu [n=tenshu@sgc91-1-82-231-155-79.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rrittenhouse [n=tad@unaffiliated/rrittenhouse] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:56] doko: There is a problem that I believe it would be helpful for you to take a look at. I think there is somether very subtle going on with either Python/Python Support in Feisty or kde-guidance. We seem to be accumulating a variety of import error bugs (note that the first one of the list has 24 dupes). I think it's worth a really focused look at what's going on under the hood. I don't know enough unfortunately. See http://tinyurl.com/2by4ga [05:58] ScottK: this page wants a msn login? [05:59] Argh [05:59] One second === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:00] doko: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/?field.searchtext=ImportError&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=Unconfirmed&field.status%3Alist=Confirmed&field.status%3Alist=In+Progress&field.status%3Alist=Needs+Info&field.status%3Alist=Fix+Committed&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package= [06:00] I was trying to save you that url... [06:01] ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ === koke [n=koke@208.25.32.132] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:03] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16591/ [06:04] doko: Bug #97507 Bug #92977 Bug #72233 Bug #99550 Bug #103689 [06:04] Malone bug 97507 in kde-guidance "[apport] displayconfig-restore.py crashed with ImportError in () - ixf86misc" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/97507 [06:04] Malone bug 92977 in kde-guidance "[apport] guidance-power-manager.py crashed with ImportError in () dcopext" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92977 [06:04] Malone bug 72233 in kde-guidance "Unable to remove powermanager w/o making displayconfig-restore unuseable" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72233 [06:04] Malone bug 99550 in kde-guidance "[apport] guidance-power-manager.py crashed with ImportError in () qt" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/99550 [06:04] Malone bug 103689 in kde-guidance "[apport] displayconfig-hwprobe.py crashed with ImportError in () ScanPCI" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/103689 === vil [n=lada@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:07] 72233 looks unrelated [06:07] I only left that one in because of Riddel's comment === ScottK wasn't sure [06:08] 99550: if the guy removes python-qt3, what does he expect [06:09] Hm.... MoM is down. Perhaps it's being updated for gutsy? [06:10] what's mom? === pochu searches [06:10] Merge-o-Matic [06:10] merges.ubuntu.com [06:10] ty :) [06:10] doko: I'll follow up on that one. Oddly enough someone just said they can confirm that. Odd [06:10] Is it possible to update my launchpad GPG key? I've added a uid to the key... it won't let me simply reupload it, since it's already in the database. [06:10] MoM is down since weeks [06:11] geser: it was up this morning. [06:11] micahcowan: I did that, but don't recall how. [06:11] I think I had to delete it first, but am not sure. [06:11] micahcowan: upload it to a keyserver [06:13] geser, yeah, okay: I couldn't remember how to do that (just knew the LP interface); I'd forgotten I could get gpg to do it for me. :) [06:13] Thanks === valles [n=valles@190.37.175.250] has joined #ubuntu-motu === effie_jayx [n=valles@190.37.175.250] has joined #ubuntu-motu === firephoto [n=tom@pool-71-115-218-80.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gortiz [n=gortiz@88.87.105.4] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gortiz [n=gortiz@88.87.105.4] has left #ubuntu-motu ["See] === effie_jayx [n=valles@190.37.175.250] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ademan [n=dan@h-67-101-40-52.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ryanakca [n=ryanakca@ubuntu/member/ryanakca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-187-225.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:46] what is 'Build-Depends-Indep' used for? It is in the kubuntu-docs package and Lintian doesn't approve of it. Also I am trying to figure out why building a doc pkg with translations takes 8 hours [06:46] heh, posted that in the wrong channel originally === TomaszD_ [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:49] nixternal: build-depends that are only needed to build arch-'indep'endent (aka arch all) packages === grayman [n=grayman@89.0.138.10.dynamic.barak-online.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-187-225.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jamesbrose [n=james@cpc3-bolt6-0-0-cust407.manc.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:58] nixternal: Debian policy manual Section 7.6 and Footnotes #42 === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@gimel.nas.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajslater [n=aj@netblock-66-159-226-33.dslextreme.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === tsmithe [n=toby@ubuntu/member/tsmithe] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TLE [n=kenneth@217.74.211.126] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kjcole [n=kjcole@ubuntu/member/kjcole] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck [n=nate@205.213.122.46] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu === luisbg_ is now known as luisbg === kjcole [n=kjcole@ubuntu/member/kjcole] has joined #ubuntu-motu === EtienneG [n=etienne@ubuntu/member/EtienneG] has joined #ubuntu-motu === statik [n=emurphy@canonical/launchpad/statik] has joined #ubuntu-motu === caravena [n=caravena@253-55-223-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xxxxx1 [n=will@44125.static.fln.virtua.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:59] have a MOTU here? === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:01] yup, a bunch of them [08:01] have a real question? === Yasumoto [n=joe@trailers67.chapman.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:01] !ask [08:01] Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :) === jdong attempts to patch reiser4 onto feisty kernel.... [08:01] yes. [08:02] i've uploaded two packages [08:02] trousers and tpm-tools [08:02] to REVU [08:02] anybody can verify them? [08:02] :) [08:06] xxxxx1: If you give us the links to the pages on REVU, it makes it easier... [08:06] yep. sorry [08:07] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4844 [08:07] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4845 === umarmung [n=holger@p54AA41BB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:15] xxxxx1: I'm on my way out the door, so I just started to look. I know you need to read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField and adjust Maintainer accordingly === xq [n=xarquid@adsl-4-146-43.gsp.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:18] anyone here use SIP, voip, or gizmoproject === bryce [n=bryce@71.237.200.28] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:24] what is the difference between, or which is correct => DEB_COMPRESS_EXCLUDE += or := [08:25] Hmm, I have never see := used [08:25] seen even [08:26] seen it only in Pascal :) === vil [n=vladimir@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:27] ya, I thought it looked funny === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:27] It may be valid, I have just never seen it [08:28] I'm kinda dumb ya know :-) [08:28] hah, whatevah! [08:28] nixternal: += concatenates the values, := erases the existing value === esaym [n=user@cpe-72-183-202-162.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:28] ahhh, thanks gpocentek === rrittenhouse [n=tad@unaffiliated/rrittenhouse] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:29] np :) [08:29] good evening BTW ;) === gortiz [n=gortiz@88.87.105.4] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:30] Heya gpocentek. Damn, I was actually going to guess that === gortiz [n=gortiz@88.87.105.4] has left #ubuntu-motu ["See] [08:31] hehe === tmarble [n=tmarble@user-38q4et6.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vil [n=vladimir@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:40] micahcowan: ping [08:41] pong [08:41] micahcowan: do you really need to request a sync for texlive? [08:42] What do you mean? [08:42] bug #89675 [08:42] Malone bug 89675 in texlive-base "TeXlive 2005 is highly outdated" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89675 [08:43] bug's not mine: just added details and subscribed ubuntu-universe-sponsors so it would actually go somewhere. What do you mean by your question? [08:43] well, it'll automatically get synced [08:43] we don't need to request anything [08:45] I think it hadn't been synced in a couple years... but I'll check on that. [08:45] hello all [08:46] Well it should since Debian is moving to texlive from tetex no? [08:46] hello jussi01 [08:47] Hello jussi01 [08:47] micahcowan: our version is from 2007-01-18 [08:47] I'd hardly consider that outdated [08:47] or not synced === gpocentek reviews waon [08:50]