[12:29] <ajmitch> gnomefreak: been one for a couple of years
[12:29] <gnomefreak> oh
[12:29] <asac> crazy :) has alioth been back-upped?
[12:30] <asac> i was admin :) ... now i am developer ;) and jordi and loic were out afaik
[12:30] <ajmitch> alioth has had plenty of db problems
[12:30] <asac> yeah looks like
[12:30] <asac> maybe what we see now is just a static copy of some state :)
[12:31] <asac> click on any link that needs db access
[12:31] <ajmitch> heh
[12:31] <ajmitch> old alioth db was restored back in feb
[12:31] <ajmitch> so a backup from november
[12:31] <ajmitch> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2007/02/msg00015.html
[12:32] <asac> yeah
[12:32] <asac> but db is again broken apparently
[12:32] <ajmitch> that's usual :)
[12:32] <asac> ajmitch: you have ldap6 package somewhere?
[12:33] <asac> would like to see what happens if i build tbird 2.0 against it :)
[12:33] <ajmitch> only at home
[12:33] <ajmitch> it'll break
[12:33] <asac> who knows :)
[12:33] <ajmitch> I'm sure it will :)
[12:33] <asac> why so sure?
[12:33] <ajmitch> you want source package?
[12:33] <asac> yes thats enough
[12:34] <ajmitch> dget http://ajmitch.net.nz/debuild/ubuntu/fds/mozldap_6.0.2-0ubuntu1.dsc
[12:34] <ajmitch> hopefully there'll be a good chance it works
[12:34] <asac> works == builds ... or runs?
[12:35] <asac> is orig unmodified upstream orig?
[12:36] <ajmitch> ought to be
[12:36] <asac> ok change build-depends to libnss3-dev and libnspr4-dev
[12:36] <asac> you gt them from our preview archive :)
[12:36] <ajmitch> great
[12:37] <asac> and use --with-system-nss --with-system-nspr
[12:37] <asac> instead of -inc et al
[12:37] <gnomefreak> fx is almost done but i think i will upload tomorrow along with iceape
[12:37] <ajmitch> asac: you presume the makefile is sane?
[12:37] <asac> yes
[12:37] <asac> it works on most now
[12:38] <asac> if its broken we should fix it :)
[12:38] <ajmitch> the pkg-config file will most likely need fixed as well for versions
[12:38] <asac> if see no pkg-config file in source
[12:38] <asac> for mozldap
[12:39] <ajmitch> correct
[12:39] <asac> no pc$ nor pc.in$
[12:39] <ajmitch> I borrowed it from the fedora .spec
[12:39] <ajmitch> mozilla/directory/c-sdk/mozldap.pc.in
[12:40] <asac> ok
[12:40] <asac> anyway -dev package depends on pkg-config
[12:40] <asac> why?
[12:40] <ajmitch> there are of course all the .ex junk templates still lying around
[12:40] <asac> ajmitch: why isn't that pc.in file here?
[12:40] <asac> ah it is
[12:40] <asac> wierd
[12:41] <asac> i grepped for pc.in$
[12:41] <asac> didn't get result
[12:41] <ajmitch> isn't that usual to depend on pkg-config if you supply a .pc ?
[12:41] <asac> no
[12:41] <asac> its not essential
[12:41] <ajmitch> I've seen a number of other packages do it
[12:41] <asac> if a package needs pkg-config during build it needs to build-depend
[12:42] <asac> only valid reason would be if they use
[12:42] <asac> pkg-config from within an old-style config script
[12:42] <asac> e.g. if nspr-config would just call pkg-config nspr
[12:42] <asac> or something alike
[12:42] <asac> otherwise I think its a bug
[12:51] <gnomefreak> asac: does this mean your updating bzr when you are finished?
[12:51] <asac> when?
[12:51] <gnomefreak> for tb2 i saw something that you were gonna test it
[12:52] <gnomefreak> somewhere ^^^ up there
[12:52] <asac> ah ... no its for future
[12:52] <asac> not atm
[12:52] <asac> i will play around
[12:52] <ajmitch> btw, for pkg-mozilla svn do you use mergeWithUpstream & various things with svn-buildpackage?
[12:52] <asac> not more
[12:52] <asac> ajmitch: due to the size of mozilla sources we just have debian/ dir in repo
[12:52] <ajmitch> makes sense
[12:52] <asac> and provide rules target to build new orig.tar.gz
[12:53] <asac> ajmitch: unfortunately we have still 2 approaches
[12:53] <asac> 1: embedded tarball
[12:53] <asac> 2: extracted tarball
[12:53] <asac> all things that i initially packaged have embedded
[12:53] <asac> all that mike packaged have extracted
[12:54] <asac> point is that mike chose that way because eric hates debian/patches dir and even more embedded tarball
[12:54] <asac> so it was a compromise to use extracted source + debian/patches
[12:54] <gnomefreak> seems like it would be more work that way
[12:55] <asac> gnomefreak: dunno ... i like tarballs :)
[12:55] <asac> now with latest packages you can develop in built-tree like you develop in extracted dir ... so i see no reason not to ship embedded tarball
[12:55] <asac> at least for huge code-base things like thunderbird, firefox et al
[12:56] <asac> nspr and nss i am fine with extracted layout
[12:56] <gnomefreak> agreed
[12:56] <asac> a bit unhappy about iceape using that layout though
[12:56] <ajmitch> hard choices to make :)
[12:56] <gnomefreak> asac: well can we change it?
[12:56] <asac> we could, but that would mean we maintain alone ... not based on debian
[12:57] <gnomefreak> ah
[12:57] <ajmitch> and that would cause a lot of pain for little gain
[12:57] <gnomefreak> we are doing it for ff and tb arent we?
[12:58] <gnomefreak> since debian only uses them as transitional packages
[12:58] <asac> yes
[12:58] <asac> debian does not ship them
[12:59] <asac> they only have icedove and iceweasel and its a strategical decision to ship firefox and thunderbird in ubuntu
[12:59] <gnomefreak> i really hope it works for us though
[12:59] <asac> it works :)
[12:59] <asac> thats why i am here ;)
[01:00] <gnomefreak> i dont see many differences in ff and iceweasle other than little UI changes
[01:00] <ajmitch> asac: you were approved for core-dev, right?
[01:01] <asac> y
[01:02] <ajmitch> good, it's rather inconvenient to have to get sponsors :)
[01:03] <rhelmer> debian packages of mozilla apps are not really ideal :/
[01:04] <rhelmer> would be better to get patches upstream and the debian ones aren't really acceptable
[01:04] <asac> ha
[01:04] <asac> wrong i guess :)
[01:05] <rhelmer> mconnor disagreeing with the debian patches was one of the triggers for the whole iceweasel thing
[01:06] <rhelmer> the icon/trademark thing came later and is more murky imho
[01:06] <asac> yeah ... but be assured the only reason why debian had to go the iceweasel way was that mofo didn't allow to ship firefox as firefox if not the icon is shipped
[01:07] <asac> it was the only reason ... though discussion was triggered by patch review
[01:08] <rhelmer> yeah i understand, i think it's weird that debian has similar trademark and an official logo though :)
[01:08] <asac> we negotiated and the only unsolvable point was icon ... so it didn't make sense to do other things
[01:08] <rhelmer> i think the reasoning makes sense
[01:09] <asac> same as always ... existing examples of licensing problem justify to make a rule out of it
[01:09] <asac> don't justify
[01:10] <rhelmer> yeah i understand wanting the freedom to change whatever and allow others to easily make derivatives
[01:10] <asac> e.g. if you have package in debian under license X for some time ... then people find its (a little bit) non-free, package will usually not be removed, but license problem is tried to be resolved
[01:10] <asac> however new packages with that license won't be accepted
[01:10] <asac> debian shipped firefox/mozilla/thunderbird for years with not dfsg compatible sources
[01:10] <asac> because of good faith as mozilla was constantly working to fix these non-free bits
[01:27] <asac> gnomefreak: all should be in binary-amd64
[01:31] <gnomefreak> ok ill look and do release crap
[01:31] <asac> gnomefreak: we probably need binary-all
[01:31] <asac> where we put the _all debs
[01:31] <asac> look ... you will see
[01:31] <gnomefreak> k
[01:31] <asac> there are currently duplicates i guess
[01:31] <asac> iceape i will build tomorrow
[01:33] <gnomefreak> iceape is building now
[01:34] <gnomefreak> if we use it as is will apt grab from binary-64 for 64bit users
[01:34] <gnomefreak> binary-all is gonna be huge
[01:35] <gnomefreak> oh nvm you meant iceape64
[01:39] <gnomefreak> i may do that just combine the 64 and i386 dir. tomorrow
[01:39] <asac> ah ... don't upload changes
[01:39] <asac> please remove them
[01:39] <gnomefreak> cant do much of anything
[01:40] <asac> no binary-all is only files that have _all.*deb
[01:40] <asac> look at filenames
[01:40] <asac> there are _i386*deb
[01:40] <asac> _amd64*deb
[01:40] <asac> and _all*deb
[01:40] <gnomefreak> none of the 64 packages were seen by dpkg-scanpackages dists/feisty/main/binary-i386/ /dev/null | gzip -9c > Packages.gz but maybe because they are new no old ones are there
[01:41] <gnomefreak> oh ok i see what your saying
[01:42] <gnomefreak> mv Packages.gz dists/feisty/main/binary-i386/   isnt gonna work is it
[01:42] <gnomefreak> shoot
[01:42] <gnomefreak> maybe i need another release file for that
[01:50] <asac> you have to generate with dpkg-scanpackages for each binary-XXX directory
[01:50] <asac> not more
[01:50] <asac> then from top create Release again
[01:50] <asac> ok night
[01:51] <gnomefreak> wait on the top release file it has i386 should i add amd64 after it
[01:53] <gnomefreak> ok should be done please test in morning since you will be here long before i get up im sure
[04:24] <asac> gnomefreak: looks good ... building tbird ... iceape mt6 still not there though ... night
[04:25] <asac> there is a diff.gz leftover in binary-amd64
[04:25] <asac> can be removed i guess
[04:27] <gnomefreak> im uploading all tomorrow morning im building tb right now
[04:27] <gnomefreak> nigyht
[04:43] <DarkMageZ> any chance of someone having a look @ launchpad bug #34582?
[04:43] <ubotu> Malone bug 34582 in firefox "right clicking switches page direction." [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/34582
[04:51] <gnomefreak> DarkMageZ: tomorrow if i get time
[09:45] <gnomefreak> asac: i didnt bump tb version up will it still update to the new one or should i change it from thunderbird_1.99.rc1+2.0-1 to thunderbird_1.99.rc1+2.0-2?
[09:47] <gnomefreak> and yes its extreamly early
[10:43] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: a bit early for you to be up no?
[10:52] <AlexLatchford> could say the same for you
[10:52] <AlexLatchford> been up all night?
[10:52] <gnomefreak> yeah it is
[10:52] <gnomefreak> no
[10:53] <gnomefreak> i slept about 4 hours
[10:53] <AlexLatchford> Heh, fair enough
[10:53] <AlexLatchford> anyone heard from David?
[10:53] <gnomefreak> been trying to get everything built. last i saw of him he unsubscribed from one of the mailing lists
[10:54] <AlexLatchford> which one?
[10:54] <gnomefreak> i dont remember it was about a week ago
[10:54] <gnomefreak> i think bugs
[10:55] <AlexLatchford> Hmm, he hasn't posted to the list in a month
[10:55] <AlexLatchford> He is still subscribed to the wiki changes I see
[10:56] <gnomefreak> last i heard his dad died so it may be a while before we see him
[10:58] <AlexLatchford> yeah
[11:00] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: up all night doing some school work
[11:01] <Admiral_Chicago> got a presentation this afternoon
[11:01] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: sorry to hear that
[11:07] <Admiral_Chicago> yea...not too happy about that
[11:07] <Admiral_Chicago> brb
[11:10] <DarkMageZ> gnomefreak, oh but that bug i mentioned 6 hours ago :(
[11:14] <gnomefreak> DarkMageZ: as soon as i can i will look at it
[11:24] <Admiral_Chicago> so why are you up this late?
[11:27] <DarkMageZ> 7:27pm here
[11:27] <Admiral_Chicago> @now chicago
[11:27] <ubotu> Current time in America/Chicago: April 20 2007, 04:27:15 - Next meeting: Support Team in 1 day
[11:28] <gnomefreak> 5:28am here :(
[11:29] <gnomefreak> been up for about 2 hours
[11:29] <Admiral_Chicago> yea...
[11:30] <Admiral_Chicago> the hunspell one?
[11:31] <gnomefreak> yep
[11:32] <gnomefreak> had to rebuild everything that depended on it
[11:32] <Admiral_Chicago> yea I *just* changed my version
[11:33] <gnomefreak> i started fixing this at around 3pm yesterday
[11:33] <DarkMageZ> i'm thinking of building firefox against qt instead of gtk to see if that affects my bug
[11:34] <Admiral_Chicago> DarkMageZ: that would be a tall order
[11:35] <gnomefreak> it maybe a libgtk/libqt bug but i would need to look at it. i need about another 30-60 minutes before i can get to it
[11:35] <DarkMageZ> yes, but darkmagez is already being supervised by sane people. if this causes darkmagez to snap. then the proper authorities will be alerted. *nod*
[11:54] <gnomefreak> ok everything should be fixed now
[11:54] <gnomefreak> testing atm
[11:56] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmm
[11:58] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: you still here?
[12:00] <kuno_> hi. i downloaded the tar.gz file for thunderbird 2. what do i need to do in order to install it on edgy?
[12:01] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, AlexLatchford did we do TBNewVersion
[12:01] <Admiral_Chicago> kuno_: give us a second
[12:02] <Admiral_Chicago> kuno_: the easiest way would be to open up a terminal and type something like sudo mkdir /opt/Thundbird && mv *.tar.gz
[12:02] <Admiral_Chicago> extract it in that folder (with root privelages)
[12:02] <gnomefreak> DarkMageZ: that is not firefox issue. if you right click on bottom dont move the mouse adn you will see right about where curser is (is page direction) so slow down your mouse speed (i think its possible)
[12:02] <Admiral_Chicago> and then make a link there
[12:02] <gnomefreak> in repo :)
[12:02] <Admiral_Chicago> kuno_: i'm making it too complicated. listen to gnomefreak
[12:03] <gnomefreak> !moztest
[12:03] <ubotu> The mozilla-testing repo can be found at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/PreviewArchives
[12:03] <kuno_> i'll try
[12:03] <gnomefreak> install package named thunderbird
[12:03] <kuno_> but tb2 is not testing any more
[12:04] <gnomefreak> kuno_: it is for feisty
[12:04] <gnomefreak> kuno_: seeing as its not in feisty
[12:04] <gnomefreak> will be updated to final as soon as i can get to it
[12:04] <DarkMageZ> gnomefreak, if replicated exactly right. without moving the mouse. a single right click can change the page direction.
[12:04] <Admiral_Chicago> kuno_: it is for us (Mozilla Team) to have the latest releases to test and do work on bugs
[12:05] <gnomefreak> DarkMageZ: not here is doesnt
[12:05] <Admiral_Chicago> afak
[12:05] <DarkMageZ> gnomefreak, what gnome/gtk theme are you using?
[12:05] <kuno_> gnomefreak: but can i install it from that repo on edgy without problems?
[12:05] <Admiral_Chicago> afaik and afk
[12:05] <gnomefreak> DarkMageZ: its custom
[12:05] <gnomefreak> kuno_: no
[12:05] <gnomefreak> kuno_: that is not build for edgy
[12:05] <DarkMageZ> gnomefreak, i noticed that some themes don't trigger it. try the human theme by ubuntu
[12:06] <kuno_> gnomefreak: understand. i'll try Admiral_Chicago's way
[12:06] <gnomefreak> DarkMageZ: i believe we know about this bug already. i will ask asac when he gets here but im sure ive seen this before
[12:06] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: AlexLatchford said he would update wiki sometime this weekend
[12:09] <Admiral_Chicago> I saw that last night,wasn't sure if he got around to it
[12:14] <gnomefreak> i need to find updated changelog to trunk build :(
[12:14] <gnomefreak> upstream
[12:14] <Admiral_Chicago>  crap, time to go back to work
[12:14] <gnomefreak> have fun
[12:15] <gnomefreak> is LP really slow for anyone else?
[12:16] <Admiral_Chicago> not here
[12:16] <gnomefreak> your using feistys firefox?
[12:17] <kuno_> Admiral_Chicago: Where should I make a link from?
[12:21] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: yes.
[12:22] <Admiral_Chicago> kuno_: explain please
[12:22] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: i think he means sym links
[12:23] <Admiral_Chicago> ah
[12:24] <kuno_> further up, i asked about installation of tb2, and you said, i should make a new directory, decompress tb2 and link there
[12:24] <Admiral_Chicago> kuno_: I mean link your accounts there or something. not sure how TB handles that, I don't use TB at all.
[12:25] <Admiral_Chicago> I'm pretty sure you can bring your old profile
[12:25] <kuno_> they said so
[12:25] <kuno_> i'll see
[12:25] <Admiral_Chicago> and rederict your launcher to point to /opt/Thunderbird/thunderbird.sh or however it runs
[12:26] <kuno_> ok
[12:32] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmmm it seems to be alpha 4 :)
[05:18] <asac_> sorry i don't think that i can contribute in a useful way today ... i am suffering under some flu with bad headaches
[10:22] <gnomefreak> asac: how you feeling?
[10:23] <gnomefreak> asac: anyway im still in and out today. ping me if you need anything
[10:23] <gnomefreak> bluekuja: thank you and your approved
[10:24] <bluekuja> thanks a lot gnomefreak :)
[10:24] <bluekuja> my work will be more for testing and bugs triaging
[10:24] <bluekuja> and if you need some wiki
[10:24] <bluekuja> ;)
[10:24] <gnomefreak> that works perfect
[10:25] <bluekuja> happy to be in!
[10:26] <gnomefreak> happy to have you.
[10:26] <bluekuja> :)
[10:27] <gnomefreak> bluekuja: just a warning today is a slow day for everyone afaik. me and asac have put in 16+ hour days the past couple of weeks
[10:27] <bluekuja> oh ok np :)
[10:27] <bluekuja> anyway if someone need something, feel free to pm me everytime you see me on
[10:52] <gnomefreak> since im taking part of the weekend off and i have 2 days next week i may not be here much im updating firefox-trunk in repos tonight. should be done within 12-24 hours that includes update to repo.