| Rtax | yep | 12:29 |
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| superm1 | well minor word of warning. debian bug 373871 | 12:29 |
| ubotu | Debian bug 373871 in unknown "IR Transmitting broke (ubuntu dapper pulling debian package)" [Important,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/373871 | 12:29 |
| superm1 | i filed that with debian almost a year ago, when IR transmitting broke for all my serial transmitters | 12:30 |
| Rtax | I have the pvr150 with transmitter, but living in South Africa, they don't have the codesets for my receiver | 12:30 |
| superm1 | since then we (ubuntu), have done a cvs snapshot package - but the problem still exists | 12:30 |
| superm1 | and i havent been able to nail it | 12:30 |
| Rtax | that might be why I couldn't get it to work on edgy | 12:31 |
| superm1 | so i only use mceusb2 transmitters now | 12:31 |
| superm1 | its broken in debian etch too | 12:31 |
| Rtax | I might need to get an mceusb transmitter | 12:31 |
| superm1 | it doesnt effect everyone, some still report success | 12:31 |
| Rtax | ok. | 12:32 |
| superm1 | the mceusb2 transmitters are a bit picky though too | 12:32 |
| Rtax | By the way, back to myth install | 12:32 |
| Rtax | In mythtv-setup, what is the correct procedure to get your channels into the db? | 12:33 |
| Rtax | scan for channels? | 12:33 |
| Rtax | I'm using composit input | 12:33 |
| majoridiot | are you using a grabber for program listings? | 12:33 |
| Rtax | there isn't a working one for SA again | 12:34 |
| Rtax | so I use an xml file | 12:34 |
| majoridiot | with xmltv? | 12:34 |
| Rtax | problem is if I just do a mythfilldatabse --manual, it doesn't have any info, so I have to try and remember the 127 channels | 12:35 |
| Rtax | some guys have written a scraper to get the listings of our sat provider's webpage | 12:36 |
| Rtax | and they put it into an xmltv format | 12:36 |
| majoridiot | k | 12:36 |
| Rtax | savage.org.za | 12:36 |
| majoridiot | then use xmltv as the "grabber", point it at your xml file and it should fill using that. | 12:37 |
| majoridiot | scan for channels first, or you can "grab channels from source" if all of the channels in the xml file are valid channels for your receiver. | 12:37 |
| Rtax | no xmltv option in grabber? I'm sure it used to be there | 12:39 |
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| majoridiot | hm. | 12:42 |
| tgm4883 | arg | 12:43 |
| Rtax | should I install the xmltv packages? | 12:43 |
| superm1 | Rtax, xmltv does need to be installed afaik | 12:43 |
| tgm4883 | I can stream HD content over firewire right? | 12:45 |
| majoridiot | if it is not encrypted, yes. | 12:45 |
| tgm4883 | ah | 12:45 |
| majoridiot | (keeping in mind you need the power to then play the files) | 12:46 |
| majoridiot | what STB are you using? | 12:46 |
| tgm4883 | I assume that the power that is needed is just to play HD and not any extra power becuase im using firewire | 12:46 |
| tgm4883 | I have a motorola 6200 from comcast | 12:46 |
| majoridiot | right. to decode the stream only. streaming/recording takes minimal resources. | 12:47 |
| majoridiot | k | 12:47 |
| majoridiot | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Firewire | 12:47 |
| tgm4883 | yea i have a pcHDTV 5500 that gets the HD right now, but I just upgraded my cable and want to get the discovery HD and espn hd on the mythtv | 12:47 |
| majoridiot | "general firewire notes" tells you how to check to see if channels are encrypted. | 12:47 |
| majoridiot | (be usre to check channels that do not tune properly for BOTH 5C and CCI 0x02 flags) | 12:48 |
| majoridiot | espn HD i can say for SURE should not be CCI encoded | 12:49 |
| majoridiot | 5c, possibly. | 12:49 |
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| Xenocide | majoridiot, i got my nvidia card today, all my problems are gone and everything looks SO GOOD! | 12:50 |
| === majoridiot takes that back. ESPNHD should not have any encryption at all. | ||
| Xenocide | the picture isn't all blurry and crap | 12:50 |
| majoridiot | YAY @ Xenocide | 12:50 |
| Xenocide | :) | 12:50 |
| Xenocide | it looks like real tv | 12:51 |
| majoridiot | nvidia for life. | 12:51 |
| Xenocide | yup yup | 12:51 |
| Xenocide | and xVmc works too | 12:51 |
| Xenocide | no cpu load difference but i guess ill leave it on incase i do HD | 12:51 |
| majoridiot | how much load did xvmc take off? | 12:51 |
| Xenocide | none | 12:51 |
| majoridiot | ah | 12:51 |
| Xenocide | uses 18% cpu regardless | 12:51 |
| majoridiot | you know, i never got it working either. | 12:51 |
| Xenocide | no no, it works | 12:51 |
| Rtax | ummm, there doesn't seem to be a way in mythtv to set up xmltv to point to a file... | 12:51 |
| Xenocide | you can tell because the OSD turns grey | 12:52 |
| majoridiot | in fact, xvmc loaded MORE than without. lol | 12:52 |
| Xenocide | well are you doing SD? | 12:52 |
| majoridiot | Rtax: i'm looking... | 12:52 |
| Xenocide | i believe it doesn't make m uch of a difference with SD | 12:52 |
| Xenocide | only with old processors | 12:52 |
| majoridiot | (HD) | 12:52 |
| Xenocide | hm really | 12:52 |
| majoridiot | (new processors) | 12:52 |
| Xenocide | now if i want to upscale SD to an hdtv i should use xVmc right? | 12:52 |
| majoridiot | nah | 12:53 |
| Rtax | ok, thanks, I installed xmltv, but ivtv wasn't installed, so I've done that and am rebooting | 12:53 |
| Xenocide | how well do the channel icons work? | 12:53 |
| majoridiot | IMO, they are ugly. | 12:53 |
| superm1 | Rtax, ivtv drivers are installed by default on Feisty | 12:53 |
| majoridiot | i never bothered installing them on this latest install. | 12:54 |
| Xenocide | ive never tried them, was just wondering | 12:54 |
| Rtax | wasn't on the in the package lsit | 12:54 |
| Xenocide | i swear feisty mythfrontend uses more cpu | 12:54 |
| superm1 | Rtax, the kernel modules load though | 12:54 |
| superm1 | by themselves | 12:54 |
| superm1 | Rtax, if you need the ivtv-tune app though, ivtv-utils isnt installed by default | 12:54 |
| tgm4883 | err, on the 6200, does anyone know if the active ports show 0 when no cables are hooked up? Or should i see active ports no matter what? | 12:54 |
| Xenocide | tgm4883, how are you seeing active ports, i can check for you, just installed one today | 12:55 |
| majoridiot | you should show one active | 12:55 |
| tgm4883 | im running through to see if the channels are encrypted | 12:55 |
| majoridiot | (unless they changed firmware recently) | 12:55 |
| tgm4883 | i don't have the firewire hooked up yet | 12:55 |
| majoridiot | no... i take that back | 12:56 |
| majoridiot | you should show 1394 ENABLED | 12:56 |
| majoridiot | ACTIVE only when plugged into the pc | 12:56 |
| tgm4883 | im having the hardest time getting into that menu | 12:56 |
| tgm4883 | i got in once | 12:57 |
| majoridiot | it's quick... power button then OK | 12:57 |
| tgm4883 | must have been lucky | 12:57 |
| majoridiot | ah... try just HITTING the OK, not holding it | 12:57 |
| tgm4883 | well.....im in something, but it's not the diag menu | 12:58 |
| majoridiot | white screen? | 12:58 |
| tgm4883 | screen is blank, but the front of the box says d 01 | 12:59 |
| majoridiot | hm. that's the diagnostic screen. | 12:59 |
| tgm4883 | and with the arrows i can go up to d 18, then a single e | 12:59 |
| === majoridiot wonders why it's not displaying | ||
| majoridiot | is it connected to an HDTV? | 12:59 |
| tgm4883 | yea, but its connected via rg6, let me hook up the component | 01:00 |
| majoridiot | yeah... try that. | 01:00 |
| majoridiot | the fp display is showing you are getting into diag menu | 01:00 |
| tgm4883 | ahh much bette | 01:04 |
| tgm4883 | r | 01:04 |
| majoridiot | rtax... i think i have a solution for xmltv | 01:04 |
| tgm4883 | ok 1394 does say enabled | 01:04 |
| majoridiot | :) @ tgm4883 | 01:04 |
| majoridiot | then you are good to go to see what's available on fw | 01:05 |
| majoridiot | who is your cable provider? | 01:05 |
| tgm4883 | ok so im looking for 5c implementation and | 01:05 |
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| tgm4883 | is cci copy control? | 01:06 |
| majoridiot | yes | 01:06 |
| tgm4883 | ok | 01:06 |
| tgm4883 | i wasn't seeing cci anywhere | 01:06 |
| majoridiot | hope for 0x00 on all channels | 01:06 |
| majoridiot | cci is under menu item D6 | 01:07 |
| majoridiot | at the bottom left of the screen, likely | 01:07 |
| tgm4883 | 0x00 would equal copy free? Cause that is what is under d11 | 01:08 |
| majoridiot | cool... they put it on that screen too | 01:08 |
| majoridiot | yes | 01:08 |
| majoridiot | 0x00 means you can stream that channel firewire | 01:08 |
| tgm4883 | ok | 01:08 |
| tgm4883 | so this just means that it is unencrypted over firewire even though it is encrypted over just the cable? | 01:09 |
| majoridiot | yes | 01:09 |
| tgm4883 | I ask because i cant view it with just my atsc tuner | 01:10 |
| majoridiot | REALLY? | 01:10 |
| majoridiot | hm. | 01:10 |
| tgm4883 | yea | 01:10 |
| majoridiot | but you pay for that channel, right? | 01:10 |
| tgm4883 | yea | 01:10 |
| majoridiot | oh wait... yeah makes sense | 01:10 |
| majoridiot | the cable box demuxes and decrypts the stream... | 01:11 |
| majoridiot | then sends it out firewire | 01:11 |
| tgm4883 | ticks me off that the discovery hd is encrypted, its in the middle of my broadcast channels | 01:11 |
| majoridiot | the atsc card would be getting an encrypted stream. | 01:11 |
| === majoridiot doesn't get discovery HD | ||
| tgm4883 | :( | 01:12 |
| tgm4883 | gotta get your mythbusters in HD | 01:12 |
| majoridiot | well, it looks like someone needs to take a crack at the firewire guide and get it set up | 01:12 |
| === majoridiot wished he could... | ||
| majoridiot | love that show. | 01:12 |
| Xenocide | best show on that chanel along with dirty jobs | 01:13 |
| tgm4883 | yep | 01:13 |
| Xenocide | ive been getting into deadliest catch too | 01:13 |
| tgm4883 | although the gf loves the planet earth thing | 01:13 |
| Xenocide | meant to watch those, never got around to it | 01:13 |
| Xenocide | cute fuzzy things right? | 01:14 |
| Xenocide | lol | 01:14 |
| tgm4883 | unfortunatly i am going to need another ir receiver as my current one is going to go bye bye | 01:14 |
| tgm4883 | no room for my pvr-150 with the firewire card | 01:14 |
| Xenocide | mine was DOA had to rma my whole pvr card | 01:14 |
| majoridiot | tgm4883: be SURE not to plug/unplug the firewire cable between the computer and STB with the computer power on | 01:14 |
| tgm4883 | ah, good to know, cause i would have tried that | 01:14 |
| majoridiot | the guide says not to... just wanted to emphasize it | 01:15 |
| majoridiot | (it makes the node jump around) | 01:15 |
| tgm4883 | what is a good ir receiver (I suppose either usb or serial). Hopefully something I can pick up in town | 01:15 |
| Xenocide | what kinda remote | 01:15 |
| tgm4883 | take your pick, i have a vizio remote that came with my tv (has some universal functions), i have a remote that came with my motorola 6200, i have a urc-6131nw | 01:16 |
| majoridiot | http://www.irblaster.info/index.html | 01:16 |
| majoridiot | (cool shite) | 01:16 |
| Xenocide | i built one from an xbox dvd dongle but it only accepts rca remotes | 01:16 |
| tgm4883 | that reminds me | 01:17 |
| tgm4883 | i have an xbox dvd remote | 01:17 |
| superm1 | Xenocide, your new card was DOA? | 01:17 |
| Xenocide | no no | 01:17 |
| Xenocide | new one works | 01:17 |
| tgm4883 | does the network remote feature for mythtv work? | 01:17 |
| superm1 | ah good :) | 01:17 |
| Xenocide | i got my nvidia card too, i am SOOOO happy | 01:17 |
| superm1 | Xenocide, nice | 01:17 |
| superm1 | doing some HD stuff yet? | 01:17 |
| tgm4883 | cause i could use that too | 01:17 |
| superm1 | or is that the next step | 01:17 |
| Xenocide | no hd service | 01:17 |
| superm1 | ah ok | 01:17 |
| Xenocide | need an hd tuner first, t hats a few months away | 01:17 |
| Xenocide | ? though, with the pvr ir setup | 01:18 |
| Xenocide | can i have my volume up and down buttons mapped to output to my reciever? | 01:18 |
| superm1 | with the pvr150 blaster ya, | 01:18 |
| Xenocide | any guide for that? | 01:18 |
| superm1 | see the feisty lirc guide | 01:19 |
| Xenocide | k | 01:19 |
| superm1 | explains how to setup the blaster | 01:19 |
| Rtax | thanks for your help guys | 01:19 |
| Rtax | i got to go to bed, 1.20am now | 01:20 |
| Rtax | got mythtv working | 01:20 |
| Rtax | thats huge! from starting to install feisty to finished with beryl and everything in about 4 hours | 01:20 |
| Xenocide | do i not also have to map that somehow from my remote to the new one in the lircd | 01:20 |
| majoridiot | Rtax: i have an xmltv solution | 01:21 |
| majoridiot | :D @ Rtax awesome! | 01:21 |
| tgm4883 | i just need a standard firewire cable with a 6 pin connector on each side right, nothing special? | 01:23 |
| majoridiot | correct | 01:23 |
| tgm4883 | ok | 01:23 |
| majoridiot | nicer quality preferred | 01:23 |
| tgm4883 | nicer quality as in? | 01:23 |
| majoridiot | not the cheapest | 01:24 |
| majoridiot | should have good shielding, etc. | 01:24 |
| majoridiot | for testing, whatever you have laying around | 01:24 |
| tgm4883 | so much for going to risky | 01:24 |
| tgm4883 | i dont have any with two 6 pin heads | 01:24 |
| tgm4883 | :( | 01:24 |
| majoridiot | :( | 01:24 |
| majoridiot | can ya get a cheap one locally? | 01:25 |
| majoridiot | get a cheap one to test with... if it's gonna work, gimme yer address and i'll mail you one. | 01:25 |
| tgm4883 | i think so, there is a electrical store (they have all sorts of cool stuff) | 01:25 |
| === majoridiot has loads | ||
| tgm4883 | i'll grab a cheap one, would a 4 pin to 6 pin adapter work? cause i do have a 6 to 4 cable | 01:26 |
| majoridiot | the adapter should work as a temp solution, yes. | 01:27 |
| tgm4883 | sweet back in about 20 minutes | 01:27 |
| majoridiot | LOL | 01:27 |
| majoridiot | drive safely | 01:27 |
| majoridiot | xuperm1: the box has already served up 120+ feistys since this morning :D | 01:35 |
| majoridiot | hehe superm1 that is | 01:35 |
| majoridiot | munch... biab | 01:51 |
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| tgm4883 | dang traffic | 02:02 |
| tgm4883 | got me a good cable though | 02:02 |
| === majoridiot is eating | ||
| majoridiot | but the active port on your box is likely the onle on the right- as viewed from the back | 02:03 |
| tgm4883 | got me a monster ultimate premium elite firewire cable, on sale for 96.99 | 02:03 |
| majoridiot | egads | 02:04 |
| tgm4883 | sorry, not elite | 02:04 |
| tgm4883 | it says 1337 on the package | 02:04 |
| tgm4883 | that means its good right | 02:04 |
| majoridiot | LOL | 02:04 |
| tgm4883 | endorsed by linux torvalds | 02:04 |
| tgm4883 | who is that? | 02:04 |
| majoridiot | a hack. | 02:04 |
| tgm4883 | so is this a good cable? it has pure plutonium coated ends | 02:05 |
| majoridiot | too good, really. | 02:05 |
| === majoridiot told you to get a cheap one to test with | ||
| tgm4883 | sweet, only the best for my 21 in b/w | 02:05 |
| majoridiot | seriously... i would have send you a good one for nothing. | 02:05 |
| tgm4883 | im kidding | 02:06 |
| tgm4883 | the whole things a hoax | 02:06 |
| tgm4883 | sometime i crack myself up | 02:06 |
| tgm4883 | 6 feet for like 9 bucks | 02:06 |
| majoridiot | ya never know... a $100 monster fw cable is real | 02:06 |
| tgm4883 | i know | 02:06 |
| majoridiot | that's good enough | 02:06 |
| tgm4883 | i would never buy a 100 monster cable though | 02:07 |
| tgm4883 | now to pull my firewire card | 02:07 |
| === majoridiot nearly shat himself when he saw the $300+ HDMI HD cables | ||
| tgm4883 | i love how they tell you how superior it is | 02:07 |
| tgm4883 | even though digital is digital i always wondered how interference effected it | 02:08 |
| tgm4883 | now there's a mythbusters episode | 02:08 |
| === majoridiot can detect .01% signal degradation @ 16 feet | ||
| tgm4883 | on hdmi? | 02:09 |
| majoridiot | kinda like "premium" vitamins? | 02:09 |
| majoridiot | on mars, baby. | 02:09 |
| majoridiot | LOL | 02:09 |
| tgm4883 | suppose i should have checked my firewire card first | 02:10 |
| majoridiot | 4 pin? | 02:11 |
| majoridiot | LOL | 02:11 |
| tgm4883 | no its 6 pin | 02:11 |
| majoridiot | whaz the prob? | 02:11 |
| tgm4883 | that would of been funny though | 02:11 |
| tgm4883 | nothing yet. | 02:11 |
| majoridiot | yes, it would have. | 02:11 |
| tgm4883 | just should have checked for compatibility | 02:11 |
| majoridiot | it'll be fine. have faith. | 02:11 |
| tgm4883 | i have to install it in the mythtv box first | 02:11 |
| majoridiot | what brand/chipset? | 02:12 |
| majoridiot | unless it's a reall oddball, you should be ok. | 02:13 |
| tgm4883 | :shrugs: | 02:13 |
| tgm4883 | lucent | 02:13 |
| tgm4883 | fw323-04 | 02:13 |
| majoridiot | i bought a $16 aopen card that works like a champ. | 02:13 |
| majoridiot | lucent? you should be ok. | 02:13 |
| tgm4883 | ive had this thing for years | 02:13 |
| majoridiot | even better | 02:13 |
| majoridiot | older is usually a great thing | 02:13 |
| tgm4883 | hope so | 02:14 |
| tgm4883 | dang it | 02:17 |
| tgm4883 | i forgot to hook up the firewire cable | 02:17 |
| majoridiot | LOL | 02:17 |
| tgm4883 | i knew it as soon as i powered on | 02:18 |
| majoridiot | that's how it usually happens | 02:18 |
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| tgm4883_ | arg | 02:38 |
| tgm4883_ | accidently unplugged the cable modem | 02:38 |
| majoridiot | ;) | 02:39 |
| tgm4883_ | do we know which plug on the back of the 6200? | 02:39 |
| tgm4883_ | i used the left | 02:39 |
| tgm4883_ | hey look, i quit | 02:39 |
| majoridiot | likely the right hand one as viewed from the back | 02:39 |
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| tgm4883 | figures | 02:40 |
| tgm4883 | i used the left | 02:40 |
| majoridiot | i TOLD you that... | 02:40 |
| majoridiot | hehe | 02:40 |
| tgm4883 | when? | 02:40 |
| tgm4883 | wait | 02:40 |
| majoridiot | up there ^^^ | 02:40 |
| tgm4883 | after i asked the first time? | 02:40 |
| majoridiot | probably. | 02:40 |
| majoridiot | hehe | 02:40 |
| tgm4883 | see, that would be when i unplugged the cable modem | 02:41 |
| tgm4883 | and didnt see it | 02:41 |
| === majoridiot is pretty sure it says that in the firewire guide too | ||
| tgm4883 | :( this is going to take forever with the repos being so slow | 02:45 |
| majoridiot | use a mirror | 02:45 |
| tgm4883 | good thing i got lots of time :) | 02:45 |
| tgm4883 | oh yea | 02:45 |
| majoridiot | not much to install anyway | 02:45 |
| tgm4883 | i forgot to set that up | 02:45 |
| majoridiot | if you are using feisty, about all you will need is libiec61883-dev and the scripts. | 02:46 |
| tgm4883 | sweet | 02:46 |
| tgm4883 | i just finished getting the libiec | 02:47 |
| tgm4883 | one questions on the guide | 02:47 |
| tgm4883 | i ran plug report and it came back with node 1 being active (looks similar to the guide) so does that mean that it is plugged into the correct port on the stb? Or do i need to go back into diag mode on it? | 02:49 |
| majoridiot | yer good to go | 02:49 |
| majoridiot | carry on... | 02:49 |
| tgm4883 | right stb port? | 02:49 |
| majoridiot | apparently so | 02:50 |
| tgm4883 | sweet, its great that all my electronics are starting to work correctly | 02:50 |
| majoridiot | (it is possible that both ports might be active) | 02:50 |
| tgm4883 | :( i went into the stb diag just to check and it still says 1394 not active | 02:51 |
| majoridiot | because it is not streaming | 02:51 |
| Xenocide | hey majoridiot when i move back to raleigh for the summer and the tv channels are different do i just delete all channels in mythtv setup, and get them again from datadirect? do i need to do anything else with my database to update recording schedules and such? | 02:51 |
| tgm4883 | then the guide confuses me | 02:52 |
| majoridiot | Xenocide: when you move, just delete that channel "source", set up a new one with your new datadirect data and fill the database | 02:52 |
| Xenocide | oh so it will automatically do everything else for me? | 02:53 |
| majoridiot | your recording schedules, etc. will need reset as well, as the channels will change | 02:54 |
| majoridiot | tgm4883: you show 0 active ports on screen D11? | 02:56 |
| tgm4883 | yea | 02:56 |
| tgm4883 | well | 02:56 |
| majoridiot | ? | 02:56 |
| tgm4883 | it says active, then under that it says no | 02:56 |
| majoridiot | sec | 02:57 |
| tgm4883 | nm | 02:58 |
| majoridiot | it should say 1394 I/O device INST / active ports 1 | 02:58 |
| tgm4883 | page 3 says active ports 1 | 02:58 |
| tgm4883 | my bad | 02:58 |
| majoridiot | page ? | 02:58 |
| majoridiot | hm | 02:58 |
| majoridiot | you must have different firmware. | 02:58 |
| tgm4883 | yea on the diag there are 4 pages | 02:59 |
| tgm4883 | just under d11 | 02:59 |
| majoridiot | hm. mine is like the 3rd entry on page 1 of D11 | 02:59 |
| majoridiot | diff firmware. | 02:59 |
| tgm4883 | yep | 02:59 |
| majoridiot | you are good to go... if you got data on the plugreport, just keep going | 02:59 |
| tgm4883 | first page on mine just gives me all the different ports | 03:00 |
| tgm4883 | whether they are enabled | 03:00 |
| tgm4883 | and whether they are active | 03:00 |
| tgm4883 | whats the ethernet for ? | 03:00 |
| majoridiot | but not for 1394? odd. | 03:00 |
| majoridiot | afaik, the usb, ethernet and sata are all disabled. | 03:00 |
| majoridiot | in theory, for home networking. | 03:01 |
| tgm4883 | yea it gives me 1394, but only tells me enabled and active, and for some reason not active on this screen but active on another | 03:01 |
| tgm4883 | hmm | 03:01 |
| tgm4883 | interesting because according to this, usb and ethernet are enabled | 03:01 |
| majoridiot | yes | 03:02 |
| majoridiot | they just don't do anything | 03:02 |
| tgm4883 | ah | 03:03 |
| majoridiot | (i tried hacking into them before settling on firewire, 'lo these many months ago) | 03:03 |
| majoridiot | LOL | 03:03 |
| tgm4883 | lol | 03:03 |
| majoridiot | i made a change to the guide re: firmware | 03:06 |
| tgm4883 | lol i was freaking out | 03:12 |
| tgm4883 | non of the firewire tests were passing | 03:12 |
| tgm4883 | i was still in the diag menu | 03:12 |
| majoridiot | the box does need to be turned on | 03:12 |
| majoridiot | and tuned to a good channel | 03:12 |
| tgm4883 | im on espn hd | 03:13 |
| majoridiot | and plugged into the cable feed coming from the wall | 03:13 |
| majoridiot | (it's the black snake-looking thing with the shiny end) | 03:13 |
| tgm4883 | getting success on p2p 4 to 5 times out of 5 | 03:13 |
| tgm4883 | thanks | 03:13 |
| tgm4883 | could you send a picture | 03:13 |
| majoridiot | try broadcast | 03:13 |
| majoridiot | i recommend broadcast- it is the most stable for me | 03:14 |
| tgm4883 | that seems to be successfull 100% after the first run | 03:15 |
| majoridiot | :) | 03:15 |
| tgm4883 | sudo ./firewire_tester -b -P 0 -n 1 -r 5 (100% every time) | 03:15 |
| majoridiot | it will get finicky from time to time.. but the primer for it makes it 99% effective or better | 03:15 |
| tgm4883 | :) | 03:15 |
| majoridiot | vg | 03:15 |
| majoridiot | you got a good stb, then. | 03:15 |
| tgm4883 | sweet | 03:16 |
| tgm4883 | hmm, is there a problem with having two different zap2it accounts? | 03:26 |
| majoridiot | probably | 03:26 |
| tgm4883 | hmm | 03:26 |
| majoridiot | only one channel lineup per account | 03:26 |
| majoridiot | dunno if they limit # of accts per email address or not | 03:27 |
| tgm4883 | i have 2 though | 03:27 |
| tgm4883 | lineups that is | 03:27 |
| majoridiot | really? i've tried that a number of times... never works. | 03:27 |
| majoridiot | (same zipcode?_ | 03:27 |
| tgm4883 | one digital cable, one analog cable | 03:27 |
| tgm4883 | yea | 03:27 |
| tgm4883 | oh | 03:27 |
| tgm4883 | did you try doing the same type of cable? | 03:28 |
| tgm4883 | cause thats failing for me | 03:28 |
| majoridiot | hm.yes | 03:28 |
| majoridiot | will only allow one line-up per provider, im my experience | 03:28 |
| tgm4883 | question | 03:28 |
| majoridiot | ? | 03:29 |
| tgm4883 | if i only have comcast digital setup in zap2it, how do i setup my hdtv 5500 so it only record the channels it can see? is that when i scan for channels with it? | 03:29 |
| majoridiot | i have never been able to reliably set that up | 03:29 |
| tgm4883 | :( | 03:30 |
| majoridiot | i change the recording input manually | 03:30 |
| majoridiot | and switch between tuners manually to go from analog to digital | 03:30 |
| tgm4883 | im gonna setup a second zap2it account with a second email i have | 03:30 |
| majoridiot | it will *kind of* do it automatically if each tuner has its own source and the channels you don't want the tuner to have been deleted | 03:31 |
| majoridiot | but even then, i found it wholly unreliable. | 03:31 |
| tgm4883 | what kind of reliablity issues? I didn't have any problems running my pvr-150 and my hdtv 5500 through 1 zap2it account with 2 channel lineups | 03:35 |
| majoridiot | e.g. having mythtv automatically switch from tuner 1 on an analog channel to a digital channel over firewire by selecting the channel in the EPG | 03:36 |
| tgm4883 | hmm | 03:37 |
| tgm4883 | random switch or was it actually trying to do something? | 03:38 |
| majoridiot | sometimes it would switch, most times it would do nothing | 03:38 |
| tgm4883 | strange | 03:38 |
| majoridiot | the docs claim a round-robin attempt at channel tuning, but i have never had it work properly | 03:39 |
| majoridiot | dunno. it's a petty bitch for all of the awesome things it will do. | 03:40 |
| tgm4883 | do you have a single channel lineup? | 03:40 |
| majoridiot | i've tried with both one and two lineups. | 03:40 |
| tgm4883 | when you had 2 channel lineups, do you remember if any of the channels overlapped? | 03:41 |
| majoridiot | no overlap | 03:41 |
| tgm4883 | hmm | 03:41 |
| tgm4883 | that is strange | 03:42 |
| majoridiot | yeah | 03:42 |
| tgm4883 | i wonder | 03:42 |
| tgm4883 | is it possible that your ir receiver cable was getting interference from anything? | 03:42 |
| tgm4883 | now im just shooting in the dark | 03:43 |
| majoridiot | nope. it displayed the attempt... i.e. put the channel # on the OSD | 03:43 |
| majoridiot | just failed to tune and stayed on the channel it was on | 03:44 |
| tgm4883 | strange | 03:44 |
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| majoridiot | tgm4883: did you get firewire working in mythtv? | 05:00 |
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| tgm4883 | not yet | 06:17 |
| tgm4883 | went to have dinner and back now, but getting card 0 (type ) is set to start on channel 2, which does not exist | 06:17 |
| majoridiot | unfortunately, i got that when i tried to use more than one source | 06:18 |
| majoridiot | try deleting the card inputs and try again | 06:19 |
| tgm4883 | i already did that | 06:19 |
| tgm4883 | im wondering if it has something to do with the firewire | 06:20 |
| majoridiot | no | 06:20 |
| majoridiot | that's a database error | 06:20 |
| tgm4883 | do you get any confirmation when you fetch the channels? | 06:20 |
| majoridiot | kinda | 06:20 |
| tgm4883 | ? | 06:21 |
| majoridiot | the start channel will change from 0 to the first channel in your channel profile | 06:21 |
| tgm4883 | maybe thats my problem | 06:21 |
| tgm4883 | let me try something | 06:21 |
| tgm4883 | ok, i removed all my cards and video sources and then exited, didn't give me any errors that time. Now im back in and scanning for channels on my hd 5500 | 06:32 |
| tgm4883 | i think when i was changing stuff with the sources it screwed something up | 06:33 |
| majoridiot | that's usually how it happens to me | 06:33 |
| tgm4883 | i think i just changed a source around instead of deleting it and creating a new one | 06:33 |
| majoridiot | some odd combinations of actions it doesn't like | 06:33 |
| tgm4883 | but we will know for sure in about 5 minutes when its done scanning | 06:33 |
| majoridiot | 5 minutes to scan? | 06:33 |
| tgm4883 | i did update and found that when i went into mythtv-setup it asked if I wanted to stop the backend | 06:34 |
| tgm4883 | nice addition | 06:34 |
| tgm4883 | well about 3 minutes | 06:34 |
| majoridiot | wasn't it tho? | 06:34 |
| tgm4883 | i scan cable high qam 256 | 06:34 |
| tgm4883 | i would always forget to stop that when i needed to | 06:35 |
| majoridiot | why do you scan instead of adding them from the source? | 06:35 |
| majoridiot | yeah... it was a nag. superm1 tossed that change in with the last batch. | 06:36 |
| tgm4883 | i should just add them from source, but im trying something different with the listing and want to see if it works | 06:36 |
| majoridiot | ah | 06:36 |
| tgm4883 | i set the 5500 lineup as broadcast and only the hd channels | 06:37 |
| tgm4883 | even though it gets the channels over cable | 06:37 |
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| tgm4883 | looks good, no errors, running mythfilldatabase | 06:38 |
| tgm4883 | on a plus note, I may be able to use the ir receiver on my hd 5500 | 06:38 |
| majoridiot | with the firewire tuner added too? | 06:38 |
| majoridiot | that would be nice | 06:38 |
| tgm4883 | yea | 06:38 |
| tgm4883 | i was checking the forums and there was some work being done on it and they seemed to have a solution for at least some remotes at the beginning of the year | 06:39 |
| majoridiot | lirc-compatible? | 06:39 |
| tgm4883 | not sure | 06:54 |
| tgm4883 | http://www.pchdtv.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1529&highlight=receiver | 06:54 |
| tgm4883 | thats the thread i read on it | 06:54 |
| tgm4883 | im trying to find some more recent info though | 06:54 |
| tgm4883 | it does look like they are saying it is lirc compatible via a patch | 06:56 |
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| majoridiot | hm. it does look doable... albeit hackish. | 07:02 |
| tgm4883 | yea thats what i was thinking | 07:03 |
| tgm4883 | but i figured i would get the stb up first | 07:03 |
| majoridiot | but hey, if that's what it takes until proper support comes along | 07:03 |
| majoridiot | tgm4883: firewire working? | 07:22 |
| tgm4883 | not quite, im getting the myth_prime.c | 07:23 |
| tgm4883 | although it may be having some trouble getting it | 07:23 |
| majoridiot | want it dcc? | 07:23 |
| majoridiot | compiled already? | 07:23 |
| tgm4883 | that would be great, but then your gonna have to help me ssh it to the box | 07:24 |
| tgm4883 | i'll just use gftp for that | 07:24 |
| majoridiot | port 0 node 1 right? | 07:26 |
| tgm4883 | yea | 07:26 |
| majoridiot | k | 07:27 |
| majoridiot | that one will work then | 07:27 |
| tgm4883 | hmm | 07:29 |
| tgm4883 | sudo echo "" > /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log isn't working for me | 07:29 |
| tgm4883 | i dont think i have ever been able to use a sudo echo on anything | 07:29 |
| tgm4883 | always get permission denied | 07:29 |
| majoridiot | really? that's ODD | 07:30 |
| tgm4883 | yea | 07:30 |
| majoridiot | just with echo? | 07:30 |
| tgm4883 | yea ive never really been able to use it | 07:30 |
| majoridiot | (that link is now fixed, ty) | 07:31 |
| tgm4883 | i ran into this same problem when trying to adjust my cpu frequency | 07:31 |
| majoridiot | WEIRD | 07:31 |
| tgm4883 | i know | 07:31 |
| majoridiot | well, if you are just wanting to clear the log for testing, rm it. | 07:31 |
| majoridiot | lol | 07:31 |
| tgm4883 | I haven't checked it, but when i was working with my frequency, i couldn't open it in gedit either | 07:31 |
| majoridiot | wtf? | 07:31 |
| tgm4883 | i know | 07:32 |
| majoridiot | that's really freakin odd, man. | 07:32 |
| tgm4883 | but i could open it in vim | 07:32 |
| tgm4883 | very weird | 07:32 |
| tgm4883 | always tells me permission denied | 07:32 |
| tgm4883 | even with the sudo | 07:32 |
| tgm4883 | im like, im root dangit | 07:33 |
| majoridiot | it's protecting you from yourself | 07:33 |
| majoridiot | hehe | 07:33 |
| tgm4883 | probably a good idea | 07:33 |
| tgm4883 | ok i rm'ed it. is it going to freak out if i dont recreate the file? | 07:33 |
| majoridiot | nope. | 07:34 |
| majoridiot | it'll make a new one. | 07:34 |
| tgm4883 | ok | 07:34 |
| tgm4883 | ok question about the guide (maybe i haven't waited long enough) | 07:35 |
| majoridiot | ? | 07:36 |
| tgm4883 | sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start | 07:36 |
| majoridiot | wait for it... | 07:36 |
| tgm4883 | that starts the server, but doesn't return me to a command prompt? | 07:36 |
| majoridiot | you made all the changes to it already? (the init script?) | 07:36 |
| tgm4883 | yea | 07:36 |
| majoridiot | then wait for it | 07:37 |
| tgm4883 | ok | 07:37 |
| majoridiot | it can take 15-20 secs sometimes if the connection is unstable | 07:37 |
| tgm4883 | ah ok | 07:37 |
| majoridiot | :) | 07:38 |
| majoridiot | ...STARTED? | 07:38 |
| tgm4883 | yep, now must restart | 07:38 |
| majoridiot | primed ok? | 07:38 |
| tgm4883 | not sure yet | 07:38 |
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| (tgm4883/#ubuntu-mythtv) and im wondering if my gf watching channel 201 on the box when the mythtv thinks its supposed to be on 55 is causing a problem | 07:49 | |
| (majoridiot/#ubuntu-mythtv) um... YES | 07:49 | |
| (tgm4883/#ubuntu-mythtv) and thats the previewer file or something | 07:49 | |
| (majoridiot/#ubuntu-mythtv) one chan at a time only, dude | 07:50 | |
| (tgm4883/#ubuntu-mythtv) well of course its a problem | 07:50 | |
| (tgm4883/#ubuntu-mythtv) but is that what the error was ? | 07:50 | |
| (majoridiot/#ubuntu-mythtv) you can record on the stb and watch another channel over firewire, tho | 07:50 | |
| tgm4883 | i just didn't think about how it was already set to auto record | 07:50 |
| majoridiot | go into mythtv setup and see which of your tuners is set to start on 55 | 07:50 |
| majoridiot | that is the one giving you the error | 07:51 |
| tgm4883 | neither is set to start on 55 (firewire starts on 2, hdtv 5500 starts on 2_1) | 07:51 |
| tgm4883 | but the hdtv 5500 only has like 8 channels | 07:51 |
| tgm4883 | none of which are 55 | 07:52 |
| majoridiot | ok | 07:52 |
| tgm4883 | so its got to be the stb | 07:52 |
| majoridiot | stop the backend | 07:52 |
| majoridiot | delete the backend log | 07:52 |
| majoridiot | start the backend again | 07:52 |
| majoridiot | when it is started, DCC me the backend log | 07:52 |
| tgm4883 | ok, im going to stop the "recording" too | 07:53 |
| tgm4883 | or you want me to leave it going | 07:53 |
| majoridiot | "recording?" | 07:53 |
| tgm4883 | the channel 55 | 07:53 |
| majoridiot | just kill the backend | 07:53 |
| tgm4883 | my backend status still thinks its recording | 07:53 |
| tgm4883 | k | 07:53 |
| majoridiot | wait... | 07:54 |
| majoridiot | did you have channel 55 set to record something? | 07:54 |
| majoridiot | before you started this process? | 07:54 |
| tgm4883 | not really, friends is set to auto record on any channel at any time as long as nothing is scheduled to record | 07:54 |
| tgm4883 | and it is on until 11 | 07:55 |
| majoridiot | man you gave my stb bad mojo or something... i had to cycle the power to get it to prime again | 07:55 |
| majoridiot | well, go in and cancel all recording for the next hor or so | 07:55 |
| majoridiot | hour | 07:55 |
| majoridiot | you don't want it to start grabbing onto tuners until you can test them | 07:55 |
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| tgm4883 | oh my bad | 07:57 |
| majoridiot | no... i just assumed | 07:58 |
| majoridiot | i get people and their various states of installation confused. no biggy. | 07:58 |
| tgm4883 | ok, were good for 8 hours | 07:59 |
| majoridiot | lol | 07:59 |
| majoridiot | k | 07:59 |
| majoridiot | stop the backend, delete the log, restart it and see what happend | 08:00 |
| majoridiot | happens | 08:00 |
| tgm4883 | ok, startingt, wait until command prompt | 08:01 |
| tgm4883 | how long should it take? | 08:03 |
| majoridiot | no more than 20 secs | 08:03 |
| majoridiot | 30 tops | 08:04 |
| tgm4883 | hmm | 08:04 |
| majoridiot | it won't just hang | 08:04 |
| majoridiot | give it time to return | 08:04 |
| tgm4883 | ok | 08:04 |
| majoridiot | that way the integrity of the log is preserved | 08:04 |
| majoridiot | we can see whaz up | 08:04 |
| tgm4883 | its not doing this cause im doing all this through ssh is it? | 08:05 |
| majoridiot | no | 08:05 |
| majoridiot | that's how i do it | 08:05 |
| tgm4883 | ok | 08:05 |
| majoridiot | you did chmod +x all of the scripts, right? | 08:06 |
| tgm4883 | just wanted to check | 08:06 |
| tgm4883 | no | 08:06 |
| majoridiot | and checked their permissions? | 08:06 |
| majoridiot | ls -l /usr/bin/myth_prime | 08:06 |
| majoridiot | ls -l /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend | 08:07 |
| tgm4883 | root owns both | 08:08 |
| tgm4883 | that would be my problem right | 08:08 |
| majoridiot | no | 08:08 |
| tgm4883 | no? | 08:08 |
| majoridiot | but what are the full perms? | 08:08 |
| tgm4883 | -rw------- for myth_prime | 08:08 |
| majoridiot | no. the init script runs at root | 08:08 |
| majoridiot | sudo chmod +x /usr/bin/myth_prime | 08:09 |
| tgm4883 | -rwxr-xr-x for mythtvbackend | 08:09 |
| tgm4883 | ok | 08:09 |
| majoridiot | sudo chown mythtv:mythtv /usr/bin/mythtv | 08:10 |
| majoridiot | no | 08:10 |
| majoridiot | /usr/bin/myth_prime | 08:10 |
| majoridiot | once you do the chown | 08:11 |
| majoridiot | rm the log and restart the be | 08:11 |
| tgm4883 | who owns /usr/bin/mythtv | 08:11 |
| tgm4883 | i need to reset | 08:11 |
| tgm4883 | it | 08:11 |
| majoridiot | no... hold on. | 08:11 |
| majoridiot | sorry | 08:11 |
| majoridiot | that was a typo. | 08:11 |
| tgm4883 | the dummy here copied down exactly what you wrote even though i had read the correction | 08:11 |
| majoridiot | sudo chown mythtv:mythtv /usr/bin/myth_prime | 08:11 |
| tgm4883 | ok did that, but accidently did that to /usr/bin/mythtv too, so i need to fix that | 08:12 |
| majoridiot | sec | 08:12 |
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| tgm4883 | unless that is supposed to be owned by mythtv | 08:12 |
| majoridiot | no... s/b root | 08:13 |
| majoridiot | change it back. i'm sorry about that. | 08:13 |
| tgm4883 | root:root | 08:13 |
| majoridiot | correct | 08:13 |
| tgm4883 | done | 08:13 |
| tgm4883 | kill backend, delete log and restart backend? | 08:13 |
| majoridiot | or jusr rm an restart | 08:13 |
| majoridiot | no need to stop. | 08:14 |
| tgm4883 | do you still want the log? | 08:14 |
| majoridiot | see how quickly it restarts | 08:14 |
| majoridiot | yeah... go ahead and send it | 08:14 |
| tgm4883 | is it possible to have multiple backends running? | 08:15 |
| tgm4883 | on accident | 08:15 |
| tgm4883 | on the same machine? | 08:15 |
| tgm4883 | its still sitting at | 08:15 |
| tgm4883 | 2007-04-19 23:14:43.793 Recording starts soon, AUTO-Startup assumed | 08:15 |
| tgm4883 | i had to ctrl -c out of it last time | 08:16 |
| majoridiot | looks like there is still a recording set | 08:16 |
| majoridiot | sudi killall mythbackend | 08:16 |
| majoridiot | sudo | 08:16 |
| majoridiot | will kill 'em all... if there is more than one. | 08:17 |
| majoridiot | but there shouldn't be more than one instance running | 08:17 |
| tgm4883 | hmm | 08:18 |
| tgm4883 | sudo killall mythbackend | 08:18 |
| tgm4883 | ran it twice | 08:18 |
| tgm4883 | second time got no process killed | 08:18 |
| tgm4883 | which is good | 08:18 |
| tgm4883 | but then did | 08:18 |
| tgm4883 | sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend startmythbackend already running, use restart instead. | 08:19 |
| tgm4883 | thats two lines | 08:19 |
| tgm4883 | tells me to use restart instead | 08:19 |
| majoridiot | ps -p `cat /var/run/mythtv/mythbackend.pid` | 08:19 |
| majoridiot | will tell you if it is running | 08:20 |
| tgm4883 | nope not running | 08:20 |
| tgm4883 | so i will use restart then? | 08:20 |
| majoridiot | start | 08:20 |
| tgm4883 | doesn't work | 08:20 |
| tgm4883 | thomas@athena:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start | 08:20 |
| tgm4883 | mythbackend already running, use restart instead. | 08:20 |
| majoridiot | sudo reboot | 08:21 |
| majoridiot | seriously | 08:21 |
| tgm4883 | sounds good | 08:21 |
| majoridiot | let it come back up, ssh in and look at the log | 08:21 |
| majoridiot | i've had that happen before, btw | 08:21 |
| majoridiot | no idea why | 08:21 |
| tgm4883 | ok were back up | 08:23 |
| majoridiot | ps -p `cat /var/run/mythtv/mythbackend.pid` | 08:23 |
| tgm4883 | up and running | 08:23 |
| tgm4883 | 1 instance | 08:24 |
| majoridiot | vg | 08:24 |
| majoridiot | what does the log say? | 08:24 |
| tgm4883 | uh oh | 08:25 |
| tgm4883 | 2007-04-19 23:00:49 firewire ownership acquired | 08:26 |
| tgm4883 | 2007-04-19 23:00:49 priming firewire... | 08:26 |
| tgm4883 | 2007-04-19 23:00:49 BAD ERROR RETURNED? -- FIXME!! | 08:26 |
| tgm4883 | 2007-04-19 23:14:34 firewire ownership acquired | 08:26 |
| tgm4883 | 2007-04-19 23:14:34 priming firewire... | 08:26 |
| tgm4883 | 2007-04-19 23:14:34 BAD ERROR RETURNED? -- FIXME!! | 08:26 |
| tgm4883 | 2007-04-19 23:21:19 firewire ownership released | 08:26 |
| tgm4883 | 2007-04-19 23:22:20 firewire ownership acquired | 08:26 |
| tgm4883 | 2007-04-19 23:22:20 priming firewire... | 08:26 |
| tgm4883 | 2007-04-19 23:22:20 BAD ERROR RETURNED? -- FIXME!! | 08:26 |
| majoridiot | hm. that's not right on a number of levels. | 08:26 |
| majoridiot | first, plugreport to be it's still on node 1 | 08:27 |
| majoridiot | (it should be) | 08:27 |
| tgm4883 | ? | 08:27 |
| tgm4883 | nope | 08:27 |
| tgm4883 | node 0 | 08:27 |
| tgm4883 | weird | 08:27 |
| tgm4883 | it was adapter 0 node 1 | 08:28 |
| majoridiot | port 0 node 0? | 08:28 |
| tgm4883 | now its adapter 0 node 0 | 08:28 |
| majoridiot | hm. | 08:28 |
| majoridiot | ok... | 08:28 |
| majoridiot | sudo reboot | 08:29 |
| majoridiot | and see if it jumps nodes again | 08:29 |
| tgm4883 | rebooting | 08:29 |
| majoridiot | in my experience... | 08:29 |
| majoridiot | it only jumps nodes if you plug/unplug the firewire with both the computer and stb powered on | 08:30 |
| tgm4883 | im wondering if it says recording starts soon because in 6 minutes jay leno is supposed to start recording, I canceled it from mythweb, but its still on there (even though it says its not going to record it | 08:30 |
| majoridiot | that would be it | 08:30 |
| tgm4883 | node 0 again | 08:30 |
| majoridiot | yup/ what i thought. | 08:31 |
| majoridiot | ok... | 08:31 |
| majoridiot | sudo shutdown -h -P now | 08:31 |
| majoridiot | then... | 08:31 |
| majoridiot | go unplug the power from your DVR for 20-30 secs | 08:31 |
| majoridiot | power it back up | 08:31 |
| tgm4883 | from the stb or from the mythtv box | 08:32 |
| tgm4883 | my 6200 isn't a dvr | 08:32 |
| majoridiot | then power the backend back up | 08:32 |
| majoridiot | from the stb | 08:32 |
| majoridiot | which 6200 is it? | 08:32 |
| tgm4883 | motorola 6200 | 08:32 |
| tgm4883 | is there extra info for it? | 08:33 |
| majoridiot | yeah... it's a dvr, dude. | 08:33 |
| tgm4883 | hmm | 08:33 |
| tgm4883 | not supposed to be paying for a dvr | 08:33 |
| majoridiot | standard in a lot of places these days | 08:34 |
| majoridiot | cheap HD | 08:34 |
| majoridiot | it could possibly be a dual-tuner | 08:34 |
| tgm4883 | ok, do you want me to plug the dvr back in before i start mythtv box | 08:34 |
| majoridiot | mine is | 08:34 |
| majoridiot | yes | 08:34 |
| majoridiot | plug in the stb... | 08:34 |
| majoridiot | and let it completely power back up... | 08:34 |
| majoridiot | could take 30 secs or more... | 08:34 |
| majoridiot | and then tune it to a good channel | 08:35 |
| majoridiot | and power the backend back up | 08:35 |
| majoridiot | (it should be on node 1 then) | 08:35 |
| tgm4883 | node 1 | 08:37 |
| tgm4883 | why does it do that | 08:37 |
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| majoridiot | dunno | 08:37 |
| majoridiot | but remember that's how to fix it | 08:37 |
| tgm4883 | ok | 08:38 |
| majoridiot | btw... i guess there is a 6200 non-dvr, sory | 08:38 |
| majoridiot | when it's back up, check the log... it should have primed ok | 08:38 |
| tgm4883 | thats cool, thats why i got a mythtv | 08:38 |
| majoridiot | i've got a 6212-III, apparently | 08:39 |
| majoridiot | go figure. | 08:39 |
| tgm4883 | same | 08:40 |
| tgm4883 | still error | 08:40 |
| majoridiot | same error? | 08:40 |
| tgm4883 | yea | 08:40 |
| majoridiot | and it's on node one? | 08:40 |
| tgm4883 | i even rm the log stoped and restarted the backend | 08:40 |
| tgm4883 | node 1 | 08:41 |
| majoridiot | k | 08:41 |
| majoridiot | is the channel you have firewire set to start on a "clear" channel? | 08:41 |
| tgm4883 | hmm | 08:41 |
| majoridiot | no %c no CCI? | 08:41 |
| majoridiot | 5c | 08:42 |
| tgm4883 | channel 2 abc | 08:42 |
| tgm4883 | i will check it thoug | 08:42 |
| majoridiot | should be clear | 08:42 |
| tgm4883 | clear | 08:43 |
| tgm4883 | hm | 08:43 |
| majoridiot | stop the backend, rm the log, start it and post the log when it restarts | 08:43 |
| majoridiot | post pm if it's too long | 08:43 |
| tgm4883 | out of curiosity i tried to watch tv on mythtv. started with the hdtv 5500, i hit y to switch tuners. I didn't get any picture, but the stb did switch to channel 55 which is weird since it is supposed to start on channel 2. Dont know if this helps | 08:44 |
| tgm4883 | ill go do that | 08:44 |
| majoridiot | aha | 08:45 |
| majoridiot | that makes a big difference | 08:45 |
| majoridiot | while the backend is down, run mythtv setup and double check the start channel for fw | 08:45 |
| majoridiot | it changed the channel, so you are getting a good connection | 08:46 |
| majoridiot | once it is primed, you'll get a good stream | 08:47 |
| tgm4883 | It WAS on channel 2, now its supposed to start on channel 55 | 08:47 |
| tgm4883 | weird | 08:47 |
| majoridiot | is 55 clear? | 08:47 |
| tgm4883 | yes | 08:48 |
| majoridiot | you installed firewire_tester? | 08:48 |
| tgm4883 | yes | 08:48 |
| majoridiot | ./firewire_tester -B -n 1 | 08:48 |
| tgm4883 | :( | 08:49 |
| majoridiot | again | 08:49 |
| tgm4883 | Failed to create new raw1394 handle on port 0 | 08:49 |
| majoridiot | yes, it would | 08:49 |
| majoridiot | sudo | 08:49 |
| tgm4883 | arg hold on | 08:49 |
| majoridiot | (the backend is stopped, root owns fw) | 08:49 |
| tgm4883 | i need to turn the stb on again | 08:49 |
| majoridiot | on again? | 08:49 |
| tgm4883 | yea i just checked to see if 55 was clear | 08:50 |
| majoridiot | ah | 08:50 |
| tgm4883 | was still in the diag screen | 08:50 |
| tgm4883 | Action: Attempt to fix broadcast connection 1 times, node 1 | 08:50 |
| tgm4883 | Broadcast: Testing...Success, 144 packets | 08:50 |
| tgm4883 | Broadcast: Testing...Success, 86 packets | 08:50 |
| tgm4883 | Broadcast: Testing...Success, 156 packets | 08:50 |
| tgm4883 | Broadcast: Testing...Success, 75 packets | 08:50 |
| tgm4883 | Broadcast: Testing...Success, 86 packets | 08:50 |
| tgm4883 | Broadcast Fix: Success (already stable) | 08:50 |
| majoridiot | k | 08:50 |
| majoridiot | start the backend | 08:50 |
| tgm4883 | sitting at | 08:51 |
| tgm4883 | 2007-04-19 23:50:56.417 Recording starts soon, AUTO-Startup assumed | 08:51 |
| majoridiot | start the frontent | 08:51 |
| majoridiot | try to switch to fw | 08:51 |
| tgm4883 | !@?!??? I get picture | 08:53 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about i get picture - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | 08:53 |
| tgm4883 | lol | 08:53 |
| majoridiot | so it's all good? | 08:53 |
| tgm4883 | i guess so | 08:54 |
| tgm4883 | let me check the logs again | 08:54 |
| majoridiot | yes do | 08:54 |
| majoridiot | it concerns me that it was taking ownership so often | 08:54 |
| tgm4883 | hmm same error FIXME | 08:54 |
| tgm4883 | let me rm the log, reboot, try to watch firewire and then check the log | 08:55 |
| majoridiot | don't rm it | 08:55 |
| tgm4883 | ok | 08:55 |
| majoridiot | you can track it by time. preserve it so you can see any changes. | 08:55 |
| tgm4883 | :( | 08:58 |
| majoridiot | k | 08:58 |
| tgm4883 | switched back to node 0 | 08:58 |
| majoridiot | on a reboot? | 08:58 |
| tgm4883 | yea | 08:58 |
| majoridiot | hm. | 08:58 |
| tgm4883 | does it switch the other direction? cause i could always plug it into the other plug on the back of my mythtv box | 08:59 |
| majoridiot | ./firewire_tester -R | 08:59 |
| majoridiot | and then check the node | 08:59 |
| tgm4883 | still 0 | 08:59 |
| majoridiot | and the stb is still on? | 09:00 |
| tgm4883 | yea | 09:00 |
| majoridiot | hm | 09:00 |
| majoridiot | thaz new. | 09:01 |
| majoridiot | ok | 09:01 |
| majoridiot | sudo shutdown -h -P now | 09:02 |
| tgm4883 | ok | 09:02 |
| majoridiot | it'll be on node one when you power it up | 09:03 |
| majoridiot | lesson: do not reboot | 09:03 |
| tgm4883 | unplug the stb or not | 09:03 |
| majoridiot | no | 09:03 |
| tgm4883 | ok | 09:03 |
| majoridiot | just power the backend back up | 09:03 |
| majoridiot | see if it's on node 1 | 09:03 |
| tgm4883 | node 1 | 09:04 |
| majoridiot | :) | 09:04 |
| tgm4883 | no more reboots | 09:04 |
| majoridiot | right | 09:04 |
| majoridiot | power down insteah | 09:04 |
| majoridiot | d | 09:04 |
| tgm4883 | yep | 09:05 |
| majoridiot | it that in another room? | 09:05 |
| majoridiot | is | 09:05 |
| tgm4883 | the backend? | 09:05 |
| majoridiot | yes | 09:05 |
| tgm4883 | nope sitting in front of it | 09:06 |
| tgm4883 | backend/fronend combined | 09:06 |
| tgm4883 | no desktop though | 09:06 |
| majoridiot | ah | 09:06 |
| tgm4883 | logs still say fixme | 09:06 |
| majoridiot | ok | 09:06 |
| majoridiot | delete the myth_prime i sent you | 09:06 |
| tgm4883 | ok | 09:06 |
| majoridiot | download the source and compile it | 09:06 |
| majoridiot | chmod +x it | 09:07 |
| majoridiot | chowen it to mythtv, name it myth_prime and stick it in /usr/bin/ | 09:07 |
| majoridiot | chown | 09:07 |
| tgm4883 | now the chmod +x is that in the guide? | 09:10 |
| majoridiot | all of it is | 09:10 |
| tgm4883 | ehh | 09:11 |
| tgm4883 | oh i see it now | 09:11 |
| tgm4883 | :( | 09:20 |
| majoridiot | ? | 09:21 |
| tgm4883 | well im getting nothing in my logs now | 09:21 |
| majoridiot | nothing at all? | 09:21 |
| tgm4883 | nothing new | 09:21 |
| tgm4883 | just old logs | 09:22 |
| majoridiot | clear it and restart | 09:22 |
| tgm4883 | in process | 09:22 |
| tgm4883 | restart backend? | 09:22 |
| majoridiot | yup | 09:23 |
| majoridiot | sorry... tired and lazy | 09:23 |
| tgm4883 | 2007-04-20 00:24:57 firewire ownership acquired | 09:26 |
| tgm4883 | 2007-04-20 00:24:57 priming firewire... | 09:26 |
| tgm4883 | 2007-04-20 00:24:57 FAILED! unable to prime firewire | 09:26 |
| majoridiot | ah good | 09:26 |
| majoridiot | sensible error | 09:26 |
| majoridiot | is the stb still on 55? | 09:26 |
| tgm4883 | something we can work with | 09:26 |
| majoridiot | zactly | 09:26 |
| tgm4883 | no | 09:26 |
| tgm4883 | its on 2 | 09:26 |
| tgm4883 | should i try to watch tv and see if it changes to either 2 or 55 | 09:27 |
| majoridiot | it will change to the last channel it was on.... so 55 | 09:27 |
| majoridiot | ./firewire_tester -B -n 1 | 09:27 |
| majoridiot | see if you can get it to manually prime on ch2 | 09:28 |
| tgm4883 | i changed it in mythtv setup to start on ch 2 | 09:28 |
| majoridiot | see if you can get it to manually prime on ch2 | 09:28 |
| tgm4883 | Action: Attempt to fix broadcast connection 1 times, node 1 | 09:29 |
| tgm4883 | Broadcast: Testing...Failed | 09:29 |
| tgm4883 | P2P: Testing...Failed | 09:29 |
| tgm4883 | P2P: Testing...Failed | 09:29 |
| tgm4883 | P2P: Testing...Failed | 09:29 |
| tgm4883 | P2P: Testing...Failed | 09:29 |
| tgm4883 | P2P: Testing...Failed | 09:29 |
| tgm4883 | P2P: Testing...Failed | 09:29 |
| tgm4883 | P2P: Testing...Failed | 09:29 |
| tgm4883 | P2P: Testing...Failed | 09:29 |
| tgm4883 | P2P: Testing...Failed | 09:29 |
| tgm4883 | P2P: Testing...Failed | 09:29 |
| tgm4883 | Broadcast Fix: Failed | 09:29 |
| tgm4883 | i broke something | 09:29 |
| majoridiot | not necessarily | 09:29 |
| majoridiot | tune the stb to ch 55 | 09:30 |
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| tgm4883 | ok | 09:30 |
| majoridiot | and try to manually prime it again | 09:30 |
| tgm4883 | same | 09:30 |
| tgm4883 | when you say manually prime | 09:30 |
| majoridiot | ./firewire_tester -B -n 1 | 09:30 |
| tgm4883 | ok | 09:30 |
| tgm4883 | thats what i did | 09:31 |
| majoridiot | ./firewire_tester -B -n 1 -r 5 | 09:31 |
| tgm4883 | all failed | 09:32 |
| majoridiot | ./firewire_tester -R | 09:32 |
| majoridiot | and then | 09:32 |
| majoridiot | ./firewire_tester -B -n 1 -r 5 | 09:32 |
| majoridiot | again | 09:32 |
| tgm4883 | all failed | 09:33 |
| majoridiot | hm | 09:33 |
| majoridiot | cycle the power on the stb -- power button | 09:33 |
| majoridiot | don't unplug | 09:33 |
| majoridiot | then tune it to 2 or 55 | 09:34 |
| majoridiot | and try to prime again | 09:34 |
| majoridiot | (this can be tricky, obviously) | 09:34 |
| majoridiot | (but once you get it worked out, it's all good) | 09:34 |
| tgm4883 | all failed | 09:35 |
| majoridiot | odd. | 09:36 |
| majoridiot | sudo ./firewire_tester -p -P 0 -n 1 -r 5 | 09:37 |
| majoridiot | see if you can get some p2p data | 09:37 |
| majoridiot | no need to sudo, even | 09:38 |
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| tgm4883 | Faild | 09:38 |
| majoridiot | all 5? | 09:38 |
| tgm4883 | yes | 09:38 |
| majoridiot | paste the *active* node of plugreport | 09:39 |
| tgm4883 | thomas@athena:~$ plugreport | 09:39 |
| tgm4883 | Host Adapter 0 | 09:39 |
| tgm4883 | ============== | 09:39 |
| tgm4883 | Node 0 GUID 0x0030dd80000501c7 | 09:39 |
| tgm4883 | ------------------------------ | 09:39 |
| tgm4883 | libiec61883 error: error reading oMPR | 09:39 |
| tgm4883 | libiec61883 error: error reading iMPR | 09:39 |
| tgm4883 | Node 1 GUID 0x0019a6fffef0ee94 | 09:39 |
| tgm4883 | ------------------------------ | 09:40 |
| tgm4883 | oMPR n_plugs=1, data_rate=2, bcast_channel=63 | 09:40 |
| tgm4883 | oPCR[0] online=1, bcast_connection=0, n_p2p_connections=0 | 09:40 |
| tgm4883 | channel=1, data_rate=1, overhead_id=0, payload=376 | 09:40 |
| tgm4883 | iMPR n_plugs=0, data_rate=2 | 09:40 |
| tgm4883 | oh sorry, thats the whole thing | 09:40 |
| majoridiot | hm | 09:40 |
| majoridiot | channel=1 | 09:41 |
| majoridiot | sb 62 | 09:41 |
| majoridiot | hm | 09:41 |
| majoridiot | ok... | 09:43 |
| majoridiot | let's try... | 09:43 |
| majoridiot | plugctl -P 0 -n 1 oPCR[0] .channel=62 | 09:44 |
| majoridiot | then do a plugreport and see if the channel entry changed | 09:44 |
| tgm4883 | nothing | 09:44 |
| tgm4883 | oh | 09:44 |
| tgm4883 | yes | 09:45 |
| tgm4883 | channel 62 | 09:45 |
| majoridiot | :) | 09:45 |
| majoridiot | try and prime it | 09:45 |
| tgm4883 | all failed | 09:46 |
| majoridiot | broadcast or p2p? | 09:46 |
| tgm4883 | sudo ./firewire_tester -p -P 0 -n 1 -r 5 | 09:47 |
| tgm4883 | ./firewire_tester -B -n 1 | 09:47 |
| tgm4883 | i ran both of those | 09:47 |
| majoridiot | and nothing? | 09:47 |
| majoridiot | hm. | 09:47 |
| tgm4883 | all failed | 09:47 |
| majoridiot | well, i gotta be up in 4.5 hours, so i'm calling it | 09:48 |
| tgm4883 | sounds good | 09:48 |
| majoridiot | we know it will work... you got a picture | 09:48 |
| tgm4883 | yea | 09:48 |
| tgm4883 | it just needs a little time to itself | 09:49 |
| majoridiot | i'll be around tomorrow afternoon and evening if you want to keep at it | 09:49 |
| tgm4883 | ill try a couple things and let you know where im at | 09:49 |
| tgm4883 | hopefully it will work by then | 09:49 |
| majoridiot | sugestions: | 09:49 |
| majoridiot | power down backend and unplug the stb power for 5 minutes or so. then plug it back in. | 09:50 |
| majoridiot | once it's working, fire up the backend and go from there | 09:50 |
| tgm4883 | ok | 09:50 |
| majoridiot | cool | 09:50 |
| majoridiot | good luck :) | 09:50 |
| tgm4883 | goodnight | 09:50 |
| majoridiot | nite | 09:50 |
| tgm4883 | thanks for the help | 09:50 |
| majoridiot | np glad to help | 09:51 |
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| tgm4883 | is there a way to save your scheduling lineup if i was going to do a reinstall | 05:20 |
| superm1 | you can backup your whole mysql db | 05:20 |
| tgm4883 | ehh, dont know if i want to do that | 05:20 |
| tgm4883 | im having all sorts of problems getting this stb to work, and some of the problems were when i removed my pvr150 | 05:21 |
| superm1 | well word of warning - | 05:21 |
| superm1 | a whole reinstall of the system probably isnt "necessary" | 05:22 |
| tgm4883 | ok | 05:22 |
| superm1 | all packages and conf files can just be purged | 05:22 |
| superm1 | if you wanted to redo mythtv setup or anythign like that | 05:22 |
| superm1 | and if problems related to choosing tuners are the only problem, the tuner list can be blown away in mythtv-setup | 05:22 |
| tgm4883 | that would also remove the mysql database | 05:22 |
| tgm4883 | i think i fixed the tuner problem | 05:22 |
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| tgm4883 | but its the stb that is really giving me a headache, (and majoridiot too) | 05:23 |
| superm1 | i saw some chatter in here yesterday about it | 05:23 |
| tgm4883 | it went on for hours and it seems that we have actually regressed in the problemm | 05:23 |
| tgm4883 | everything fails when i test the firewire now | 05:24 |
| superm1 | you sure its not your cable co changing setting around im assuming? | 05:24 |
| superm1 | changing CCI flag or 5C | 05:25 |
| superm1 | ? | 05:25 |
| tgm4883 | unless they did it last night. I got the stb yesterday with my upgraded cable. started through the guide and it was unencrypted and everything | 05:25 |
| tgm4883 | at the end of the night, still unencrypted, but no go on the firewire testing | 05:31 |
| superm1 | thats a shame :( | 05:31 |
| tgm4883 | we did get a picture once, but backend log was complaining | 05:31 |
| superm1 | what was it saying? | 05:31 |
| tgm4883 | so we tried to fix it and thats when we no longer get anything passing the firewire tests | 05:31 |
| tgm4883 | 2007-04-19 23:31:42 firewire ownership released | 05:31 |
| tgm4883 | 2007-04-19 23:36:28 firewire ownership acquired | 05:31 |
| tgm4883 | 2007-04-19 23:36:28 priming firewire... | 05:31 |
| tgm4883 | 2007-04-19 23:36:28 BAD ERROR RETURNED? -- FIXME!! | 05:31 |
| tgm4883 | it would do this a couple times | 05:31 |
| tgm4883 | it also seemed to hang the starting of the backend | 05:31 |
| superm1 | have you been able to do captures at all outside of the backend? | 05:31 |
| tgm4883 | hmm | 05:31 |
| tgm4883 | havent tried as its a frontend/backend only | 05:31 |
| superm1 | I seem to recall back when I was doing firewire experimentation, it was possible to capture without the use of mythtv-backend in order to alleviate that as a cause of troubles | 05:31 |
| superm1 | but then again that was before all of this priming stuff was introduced | 05:31 |
| tgm4883 | majoridiot said he would be on again this afternoon or evening if i wanted to continue trying to fix this, but im wondering if i should wipe the whole thing and try the guides from a clean slate first, rather than from a preexisting install | 05:32 |
| tgm4883 | and while ive been told its fine (and ive ran the updates) installing feisty from release rather than beta may be better | 05:33 |
| superm1 | well like i said - wiping the whole box most likely won't solve everything. thats the "Windows" solution to problems. | 05:33 |
| tgm4883 | or maybe thats my fedora days of thinking | 05:33 |
| superm1 | Well you can do this - | 05:33 |
| superm1 | backup your db in mysql | 05:33 |
| superm1 | remove mysql | 05:33 |
| superm1 | reinstall it | 05:33 |
| superm1 | remove mythtv-database and reinstall it | 05:34 |
| superm1 | and then you have your clean slate | 05:34 |
| superm1 | with regard to mythtv and configuration stuff | 05:34 |
| tgm4883 | what about.. | 05:34 |
| tgm4883 | hold on let me find it | 05:35 |
| tgm4883 | mythtv-backend and the other files i have to edit in the firewire guide | 05:36 |
| tgm4883 | will those be reset to | 05:36 |
| superm1 | to reset those - just purge the mythtv packages too | 05:36 |
| tgm4883 | ok | 05:36 |
| superm1 | and then when you reinstall them, new files will be installed | 05:36 |
| superm1 | just make sure you do "apt-get remove --purge" | 05:36 |
| superm1 | just make sure you do "apt-get remove --purge PACKAGENAME" | 05:36 |
| superm1 | better yet ^ | 05:36 |
| tgm4883 | ok | 05:37 |
| tgm4883 | does sound better than a reinstall | 05:37 |
| superm1 | much less time consuming | 05:37 |
| superm1 | i'll admit its weird to adjust to an approach to fixing problems this way, because there is a certain redeeming quality about coming from a full "reinstall" | 05:37 |
| tgm4883 | i just remember back when on fedora everyone was like "you HAVE to reinstall if going from a testing to production release | 05:37 |
| superm1 | lol | 05:38 |
| tgm4883 | those fedora people got no idea, they should switch to ubuntu :) | 05:38 |
| superm1 | haha | 05:38 |
| tgm4883 | there main excuse for it was all the logging that was turned on for the different test releases, that if you just upgraded then the logging would still be on | 05:39 |
| superm1 | afaik, there is nothing like that in Ubuntu | 05:39 |
| tgm4883 | sweet | 05:40 |
| superm1 | as long as you follow the updates regularly, you should have the same end result if you were to put feisty repos in /etc/apt/sources.list rathre than edgy on edgy release day and then compared that to a fresh feisty install at feisty release day | 05:40 |
| tgm4883 | sweet, now i dont have to reinstall my laptop | 05:41 |
| superm1 | my laptop was upgraded from breezy->dapper->edgy->feisty | 05:42 |
| superm1 | until the hard drive died a month a go | 05:42 |
| superm1 | and then it was a herd5 install of feisty | 05:42 |
| superm1 | on the new hd | 05:42 |
| tgm4883 | nice | 05:42 |
| tgm4883 | my upgrade path is less impressive on my desktop | 05:42 |
| superm1 | haha | 05:43 |
| superm1 | well it would have been hoary->breezy->dapper->edgy->feisty, but i installed a feisty alpha release during hoary times | 05:43 |
| tgm4883 | XP>fedora 5>XP>fedora 6>dapper>fedora 6>edgy>fedora 7>edgy>feisty 64>feisty>edgy 64> feisty 64 | 05:44 |
| tgm4883 | theres a vista in there somewhere, but it didn't last long | 05:44 |
| superm1 | wow | 05:44 |
| superm1 | thats quite a lot of reinstalls | 05:44 |
| tgm4883 | i have operating system reinstall disorder | 05:44 |
| tgm4883 | im itching to reinstall my server | 05:45 |
| tgm4883 | but i wont | 05:45 |
| tgm4883 | but i might | 05:45 |
| tgm4883 | its running edgy and it has some speed issues i think | 05:45 |
| tgm4883 | with samba | 05:45 |
| tgm4883 | but since all my systems run linux now i can dump the samba | 05:46 |
| superm1 | control yourself - just remind yourself that it can be solved in a more linear path wihtout a whole reinstall | 05:46 |
| superm1 | just use nfs instead | 05:46 |
| tgm4883 | i wonder if there are therapists that specialize in this sort of addiction | 05:46 |
| tgm4883 | im going to try nfs and dump samba | 05:47 |
| superm1 | there is only one time in the last year that i was considering a full reinstall | 05:47 |
| tgm4883 | the transfer speed was way to slow | 05:47 |
| superm1 | compiz was just introduced | 05:47 |
| superm1 | and it didnt work with xgl on my laptop | 05:48 |
| superm1 | and i couldnt figure out why | 05:48 |
| superm1 | i had reinstalled soooo many packages | 05:48 |
| superm1 | it ended up being an undocumented conf file that was installed to /etc | 05:48 |
| tgm4883 | :( did you have to reinstall? | 05:48 |
| superm1 | thankfully no | 05:48 |
| tgm4883 | ah | 05:48 |
| superm1 | that was when i ack'ed that every problem can be solved without a full reinstall | 05:48 |
| tgm4883 | lol | 05:49 |
| tgm4883 | but you fixed it without the reinstall, so the myth continues | 05:49 |
| tgm4883 | *cue scary music | 05:49 |
| superm1 | haha | 05:49 |
| tgm4883 | dang it | 05:50 |
| tgm4883 | i think i just figured it out | 05:50 |
| superm1 | what was it? | 05:50 |
| tgm4883 | well first | 05:50 |
| tgm4883 | can you get a list of what was last updated? though the command line | 05:51 |
| tgm4883 | i dont think i have synaptic installed | 05:51 |
| superm1 | like in a directory? | 05:51 |
| superm1 | which file was | 05:51 |
| superm1 | or you mean on a whole file system | 05:51 |
| tgm4883 | i just want to see if the kernel or something got updated in the last apt-get upgrade | 05:51 |
| superm1 | oh you want to see packages that were recently upgraded | 05:52 |
| tgm4883 | yea | 05:52 |
| superm1 | there is a way...;. | 05:52 |
| superm1 | i'll brb i have to go to my next class | 05:52 |
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| tgm4883 | thats awesome | 05:59 |
| superm1 | tgm4883, /var/log/dpkg.log | 05:59 |
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| tgm4883 | what class is this | 06:00 |
| superm1 | oh just an english class | 06:00 |
| superm1 | nothing special :) | 06:00 |
| tgm4883 | lol | 06:00 |
| tgm4883 | nope, problem not fixed | 06:06 |
| tgm4883 | i thought that maybe, just maybe i had updated something and that broke firewire_tester | 06:06 |
| tgm4883 | but i just recompiled and nothing | 06:06 |
| superm1 | i'm assuming you've already power cycled the stb? | 06:08 |
| superm1 | from a cold boot (on the stb) with the firewire unplugged | 06:08 |
| tgm4883 | ive unplugged the stb for about a minute and plugged it in, but havent booted it without the firewire cable attached since i started this procedure | 06:24 |
| superm1 | i know i had some really funky stuff go on way back when | 06:24 |
| superm1 | when the cable co pushed an update to the box | 06:24 |
| tgm4883 | hey its worth a shot | 06:25 |
| tgm4883 | im gonna unplug it for 5 minutes | 06:25 |
| superm1 | yes | 06:25 |
| tgm4883 | now i have been told to under no circumstances unplug or plug in the firewire cable with the mythtv box on, but if the stb isn't even plugged in? | 06:26 |
| superm1 | well the reason for that is so that it doesnt switch port numbers | 06:26 |
| superm1 | according to plugreport | 06:26 |
| tgm4883 | ah | 06:26 |
| tgm4883 | mine switches nodes every time i reboot the mythtv box | 06:26 |
| tgm4883 | its was a fun little game we were playing | 06:27 |
| superm1 | lol | 06:27 |
| tgm4883 | yea | 06:27 |
| tgm4883 | so now we always shutdown, never reboot | 06:27 |
| superm1 | its always annoying when the cable company pushes an update that actually resets the cable box | 06:27 |
| superm1 | and then sometiems you will randomly have the node change then too | 06:28 |
| superm1 | i wish there was a way to guarantee the node | 06:28 |
| tgm4883 | yea | 06:28 |
| tgm4883 | i had thought that the nodes were due to the ports on my firewire card, 1 is node 1, the other is node 0 | 06:28 |
| tgm4883 | oh i get it now | 06:30 |
| tgm4883 | cause you can daisychain them, thats where the nodes come from | 06:30 |
| superm1 | yes | 06:30 |
| tgm4883 | that makes sense now | 06:31 |
| tgm4883 | i was so confused last night | 06:31 |
| superm1 | well when i move in a few weeks, i might do firewire again. so i might be in the same boat as you folks | 06:32 |
| superm1 | we'll see | 06:32 |
| tgm4883 | where you from | 06:33 |
| superm1 | i'm living in IA right now | 06:34 |
| superm1 | but i'll be moving up to MN for the summer | 06:35 |
| tgm4883 | i turned both off, which should i boot first | 06:35 |
| tgm4883 | ah | 06:35 |
| tgm4883 | im way west in oregon | 06:35 |
| superm1 | oh really? | 06:37 |
| superm1 | near keescook then | 06:37 |
| tgm4883 | i guess so | 06:37 |
| tgm4883 | wheres keescook at? | 06:37 |
| superm1 | brb next class | 06:37 |
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| superm1 | tgm4883, are you coming to Ubuntu Live? | 06:46 |
| superm1 | its in portland | 06:46 |
| superm1 | this july | 06:46 |
| tgm4883 | :shrugs: | 06:46 |
| tgm4883 | never thought about it | 06:46 |
| tgm4883 | it is just an hour up the road | 06:46 |
| tgm4883 | ugh, im breaking all sorts of things now | 06:47 |
| tgm4883 | i went to the ubuntu website to look up ubuntu live and got this | 06:48 |
| tgm4883 | Unable to connect to database server | 06:48 |
| superm1 | http://www.ubuntulive.com/ | 06:48 |
| superm1 | (more direct) | 06:48 |
| tgm4883 | thanks, but if i click on it i might break that too | 06:48 |
| tgm4883 | lol | 06:49 |
| superm1 | haha | 06:49 |
| superm1 | i'm thinking of road tripping it up that way for the weekend that it is | 06:49 |
| tgm4883 | i'll have to see what my schedule is like, june - about mid august get busy for me | 06:54 |
| superm1 | ah | 06:56 |
| superm1 | well i wanted to speak at it, there is a session for "MythTV on Ubuntu" | 06:56 |
| superm1 | that someone registered | 06:56 |
| superm1 | so if I can talk (read they pay for my admission), i'll come up that way. otherwise, it'd be a lot less likely | 06:57 |
| tgm4883 | dont know what happened, but im getting all success now, even though right after i restarted i was still getting all failed | 06:57 |
| tgm4883 | sweet | 06:57 |
| superm1 | lol its all working now? | 06:57 |
| superm1 | firewire and all | 06:57 |
| tgm4883 | yea i noticed its pretty steep, for me anyway | 06:57 |
| tgm4883 | well, the firewire testing is working | 06:57 |
| tgm4883 | i havent checked the other things yet | 06:57 |
| superm1 | so you think the power cycling the stb without firewire plugged in might have done it? | 06:58 |
| tgm4883 | yea i think so, i didn't do anything else to it. right after i did that it still didn't work, but now it works, so maybe it needed a little time | 06:58 |
| tgm4883 | im going to check the logs | 06:59 |
| superm1 | who is your cable provider up that way? | 06:59 |
| tgm4883 | comcast | 06:59 |
| superm1 | ah okay | 06:59 |
| superm1 | hence why all the openness with firewire lately | 06:59 |
| tgm4883 | ? | 07:00 |
| superm1 | they recently pulled the 5C off nation wide | 07:01 |
| superm1 | from what i heard | 07:01 |
| tgm4883 | ah | 07:01 |
| tgm4883 | perfect time for me to upgrade my cable then | 07:01 |
| tgm4883 | :) | 07:01 |
| superm1 | yes, yes it was | 07:01 |
| superm1 | the 3 cable co's i've dealt with all had different stances | 07:02 |
| superm1 | i had Time Warner in NC - and i could capture a few HD stations, but no analog or digitial over firewire | 07:02 |
| superm1 | it was really weird too, like i couldnt do discovery HD, but i could do TNT HD | 07:02 |
| superm1 | and all locals | 07:02 |
| superm1 | over here in IA, everything but local HD is blocked on firewire | 07:03 |
| superm1 | and in MN last year, i had everything avail over firewire until july. then they only let out a few selective digitals and local HDs | 07:03 |
| superm1 | and claimed that it was the content providers doing it | 07:03 |
| superm1 | not them | 07:03 |
| tgm4883 | hmm | 07:04 |
| tgm4883 | thats one of the reasons i upgraded, was the discovery HD | 07:05 |
| tgm4883 | couldn't get it with my regular package even though i got the discovery channel. im starting to guess that they aren't the same | 07:05 |
| superm1 | its usually in a HD tier | 07:05 |
| superm1 | or something like that | 07:05 |
| tgm4883 | something is still going fishy with my mythtv | 07:06 |
| superm1 | thats how it is with Charter and Mediacom (but not Time Warner) | 07:06 |
| tgm4883 | the good news is that my error has changed | 07:07 |
| superm1 | what is it now? | 07:08 |
| tgm4883 | 2007-04-20 10:03:52 firewire ownership acquired | 07:08 |
| tgm4883 | 2007-04-20 10:03:52 priming firewire... | 07:08 |
| tgm4883 | 2007-04-20 10:03:52 FAILED! unable to prime firewire | 07:08 |
| tgm4883 | but i think that it thinks there is live tv on | 07:08 |
| superm1 | what does priming the firewire actualy do? | 07:08 |
| tgm4883 | i just restarted the backend (the frontend isn't even running) | 07:08 |
| tgm4883 | :shrugs: | 07:08 |
| tgm4883 | i just do what im told | 07:08 |
| jono | hows the ubuntu mythtv team going folks? | 07:09 |
| superm1 | hi jono | 07:09 |
| superm1 | good good | 07:09 |
| jono | I am considering upgrading my myth box to feisty | 07:09 |
| jono | is the current myth packages for it? | 07:09 |
| superm1 | we got a bunch of things in just in time for feisty | 07:09 |
| tgm4883 | and majoridiot thinks that is a better error than the first one | 07:09 |
| superm1 | jono, and have several plans for gutsy already | 07:09 |
| superm1 | jono, what is it right now, edgy? | 07:09 |
| jono | superm1: cool :) | 07:10 |
| jono | no its breezy believe it or not :P | 07:10 |
| superm1 | oh wow... | 07:10 |
| superm1 | thats a long upgrade path then | 07:10 |
| superm1 | you have to go breezy->dapper->edgy->feisty afaik | 07:10 |
| superm1 | or clean install to get there | 07:10 |
| jono | I am not gonna upgrade | 07:11 |
| jono | clean install all the way | 07:11 |
| jono | so can I install myth from packages with feisty and have a working system? | 07:11 |
| superm1 | ah good plan | 07:11 |
| superm1 | you should be able to :) | 07:11 |
| jono | cool :) | 07:11 |
| jono | I might do that tonight then :) | 07:11 |
| superm1 | http://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV | 07:12 |
| superm1 | will tell you a wealth of info about the packages | 07:12 |
| superm1 | and everything involved with setting things up | 07:12 |
| jono | cool | 07:12 |
| superm1 | and extra stuff you can do afterwords | 07:12 |
| jono | is ivtv packaged? | 07:12 |
| superm1 | yes | 07:12 |
| tgm4883 | its awesome | 07:12 |
| superm1 | no need to install packages, we got it with the kernel | 07:12 |
| jono | I have a dvb card and a ivtv board | 07:12 |
| jono | oh ivtv is kernel? | 07:12 |
| superm1 | well not upstream kernel | 07:13 |
| superm1 | but I contacted Hauppauge and we got the ball rolling on licensing | 07:13 |
| tgm4883 | my pvr-150 and pcHDTV 5500 worked almost completely out of box | 07:13 |
| superm1 | and now we ship it with the kernel image | 07:13 |
| superm1 | and the firmware too | 07:13 |
| jono | I have a pvr-350 and terra nova | 07:13 |
| tgm4883 | feisty rocks | 07:13 |
| jono | nova t | 07:13 |
| tgm4883 | not sure about how the nova works | 07:14 |
| superm1 | jono, the only hickup with the nova, is that you might need to modprobe cx88_dvb | 07:14 |
| tgm4883 | ah | 07:14 |
| superm1 | and all it /etc/modules | 07:14 |
| jono | right | 07:14 |
| tgm4883 | i had to modprobe that for my 5500 | 07:14 |
| jono | which version of myth is packaged for feisty? | 07:14 |
| superm1 | the autoloading for a bunch of dvb cards (and cards using dvb drivers broke) | 07:14 |
| tgm4883 | exact same module | 07:14 |
| superm1 | 0.20 | 07:14 |
| jono | latest? | 07:14 |
| superm1 | well 0.20-fixes | 07:14 |
| superm1 | its a checkout from the fixes branch from earlier this year | 07:14 |
| jono | what is the fixes branch? | 07:15 |
| superm1 | well important fixes that are on trunk, but relevant to the current release | 07:15 |
| superm1 | so they have two branches of svn | 07:15 |
| jono | right | 07:15 |
| superm1 | trunk and release-fixes | 07:15 |
| jono | ok so release-fixes involve trunk fixes backported to the current release? | 07:16 |
| superm1 | exactly | 07:16 |
| jono | cool stuff | 07:16 |
| superm1 | usually no extra features | 07:16 |
| jono | so its nice and fresh and new in feisty | 07:16 |
| superm1 | but just important bug fixes | 07:16 |
| superm1 | yes | 07:16 |
| jono | sounds like you guys are doing a rocking job | 07:16 |
| superm1 | we've kept busy, guarantee ya :) | 07:16 |
| jono | I am tempted to upgrade, well start the upgrade, tonight :) | 07:16 |
| tgm4883 | they are doing a rocking job | 07:17 |
| superm1 | jono, it might be just because i use this all so much, but i can do an entire myth install from a live disk in about an hour | 07:17 |
| jono | from the live ubuntu disk? | 07:17 |
| superm1 | yea | 07:17 |
| jono | cool | 07:17 |
| jono | what about xmltv for uk people, is that simple to set up? | 07:17 |
| tgm4883 | does that include setting up schedules | 07:17 |
| superm1 | tgm4883, yup | 07:18 |
| tgm4883 | nice | 07:18 |
| tgm4883 | it takes me a long freaking time | 07:18 |
| tgm4883 | but that is because of comcast i think | 07:18 |
| superm1 | jono, I'm not positive about xmltv, I know you'll have to install xmltv before configuring the backend | 07:18 |
| jono | right | 07:18 |
| superm1 | but since i've got zap2it, i can't tell you much more | 07:18 |
| tgm4883 | the main install is quick | 07:18 |
| tgm4883 | and they have made it so much easier for forgetful people like me | 07:19 |
| jono | so the pvr-350 is supported out of the box, does that mean ivtv is shipped in feisty? | 07:19 |
| superm1 | yes | 07:19 |
| jono | wow, this sounds incredible :) | 07:19 |
| tgm4883 | someone added a check to see if mythtv-backend is running when trying to start mythtv-setup, then presents you with a dialog box to stop it. Whoever did that rocks ;) | 07:20 |
| superm1 | tgm4883, (me) | 07:20 |
| superm1 | very last minute idea | 07:20 |
| tgm4883 | i know, majoridiot told me last night when i saw it the first time | 07:20 |
| superm1 | gotten great feedback on it | 07:21 |
| tgm4883 | every time i go into mythtv-setup i always forget to stop the backend | 07:21 |
| superm1 | jono, for gutsy we're gonna have lirc modules shipped with the kernel hopefully to | 07:21 |
| superm1 | i made a patch for it during feisty, but BenC didn't get it in time | 07:22 |
| jono | I assume lirc is packaged? | 07:22 |
| superm1 | yea | 07:22 |
| jono | cool, I had to poke with lirc for my remote I remember | 07:22 |
| tgm4883 | now if the pcHDTV people could get my IR receiver working properly with having to hack it up that would be great | 07:22 |
| superm1 | there is a guide for that too at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Feisty | 07:22 |
| jono | cool | 07:22 |
| superm1 | jono, just remember to backup your current ~/.lircrc and /etc/lirc/* start from breezy before going to feisty | 07:23 |
| tgm4883 | if your like me be sure to follow the guide. I know just enough to be dangerous to my system | 07:23 |
| jono | indeed | 07:23 |
| jono | I will backup a bunch of stuff and write down settings | 07:23 |
| tgm4883 | would a mysql backup survive that? | 07:23 |
| superm1 | it would survive, but i'd expect problems with permissions | 07:24 |
| superm1 | on the users registerd for mysql | 07:24 |
| tgm4883 | ah | 07:24 |
| jono | cool beans | 07:25 |
| jono | I might do it tonight if I don't have company | 07:25 |
| jono | when I do it, expect me pestering you guys with questions :P | 07:26 |
| superm1 | jono, sounds good. i'll be in and out throughout the day if anything goes wrong | 07:26 |
| superm1 | and i'm sure majoridiot will come aorund later | 07:26 |
| jono | thanks superm1, you are a hero :) | 07:26 |
| jono | :) | 07:26 |
| tgm4883 | company can wait, this is MythTV *cue trumpets | 07:26 |
| jono | hehehe | 07:26 |
| jono | well the company is my mate Aq, who will want to see the gory spectacle unfold | 07:26 |
| superm1 | jono, you coming to ULive this year? | 07:26 |
| jono | superm1: yep | 07:27 |
| superm1 | do you know who registered the session "MythTV on Ubuntu"? | 07:27 |
| jono | no idea | 07:27 |
| superm1 | i tried to email derek chase about it, but no response | 07:27 |
| superm1 | but i wanted to talk for it if no one is planned yet | 07:28 |
| jono | right | 07:28 |
| tgm4883 | whos andrew? | 07:28 |
| superm1 | andrew....? | 07:28 |
| tgm4883 | andrew oswald | 07:28 |
| superm1 | keescook was going to poke around a little for it, would you be in better contact with the right people? | 07:29 |
| superm1 | tgm4883, not sure, where you seeing that name? | 07:29 |
| tgm4883 | hes listed as the speaker for mythtv on ubuntu on ubuntu live | 07:29 |
| superm1 | oh there is a speaker listed now | 07:29 |
| superm1 | there wasnt before | 07:29 |
| tgm4883 | yea | 07:29 |
| tgm4883 | gives a little background about him | 07:30 |
| jono | I don't deal with ubuntu live unfortunatly | 07:30 |
| jono | superm1: so is there now a built in dvd player? | 07:30 |
| superm1 | tgm4883, thanks, i'll see if i can get in contact with him about maybe doing a joint talk or something | 07:30 |
| superm1 | jono, yup, but i dont like it much | 07:31 |
| superm1 | i still use xine | 07:31 |
| jono | right | 07:31 |
| jono | currently using vlc I think | 07:31 |
| tgm4883 | i use whatever the default is | 07:31 |
| jono | great stuff, I think I am all set :) | 07:31 |
| jono | thanks chaps, later! | 07:34 |
| superm1 | later jono | 07:34 |
| jono | :) | 07:34 |
| tgm4883 | hmm | 07:35 |
| tgm4883 | ive been playing around with this and noticed two things | 07:35 |
| superm1 | whats that | 07:36 |
| tgm4883 | first what does this mean, is it deleting it because it needs to record live tv, or is it deleting it because it is live tv and needs space | 07:36 |
| tgm4883 | 2007-04-20 10:05:22.190 Expiring Jerry Springer from Thu Apr 19 10:00:00 2007, 165 MBytes, forced expire (LiveTV recording) | 07:36 |
| superm1 | needs space | 07:37 |
| superm1 | typically | 07:37 |
| tgm4883 | second thing i noticed is that while sitting on channel 2 (non HD ABC) i can no longer pass firewire_tester. But if i go to 706 (an HD channel) i can pass the tests, then if i go back to channel 2 i can pass the tests on channel 2 | 07:38 |
| tgm4883 | i will test again when it fails again with a non hd channel twice | 07:38 |
| tgm4883 | according to mythweb backend status i have this for space | 07:39 |
| tgm4883 | Master Backend: | 07:39 |
| tgm4883 | * Total Space: 369,976 MB | 07:39 |
| tgm4883 | * Space Used: 213,212 MB | 07:39 |
| tgm4883 | * Space Free: 156,764 MB | 07:39 |
| tgm4883 | which seems to be around 30% free | 07:40 |
| superm1 | then it was just forced going into live tv | 07:40 |
| superm1 | to clear out old recordings | 07:40 |
| tgm4883 | and the second part of part 1 is why is it deleting it anyway. Im not watching live tv and there are no scheduled recordings for right now | 07:40 |
| tgm4883 | ok | 07:40 |
| superm1 | there is a setting for it somewhere | 07:41 |
| superm1 | about priority of autoexpire things | 07:41 |
| tgm4883 | ok | 07:41 |
| tgm4883 | i just was wondering if it thought it was trying to record something when it actually wasn't | 07:42 |
| tgm4883 | what does firewire tester do? | 07:43 |
| superm1 | couldn't tell ya :) | 07:44 |
| tgm4883 | ah | 07:44 |
| superm1 | i didnt use it back when i did firewire | 07:44 |
| superm1 | like i said the firewire landscape has changed a lot since i last used it | 07:44 |
| superm1 | so i'm interested to get back into it | 07:44 |
| tgm4883 | ill have to ask majoridiot when he gets back | 07:44 |
| superm1 | i'll be much more helpful in here once i do :) | 07:44 |
| tgm4883 | unfortunatly it is the only way to get the HD content | 07:45 |
| tgm4883 | they should do pc cards too | 07:45 |
| superm1 | well i do mine via OTA here and QAM up in MN normally | 07:45 |
| tgm4883 | with the amount of htpc's | 07:45 |
| tgm4883 | but you can't get other things like discovery HD OTA? | 07:46 |
| superm1 | no :( | 07:46 |
| tgm4883 | i could only get abc, cbs, nbc, fox, cw, and opb using QAM 256 all in HD | 07:46 |
| tgm4883 | no espn hd, no discovery hd | 07:47 |
| tgm4883 | so thats why i got the cable box | 07:47 |
| superm1 | ah | 07:47 |
| tgm4883 | but if they did pci cards as well as cable boxes | 07:47 |
| tgm4883 | even if it was only for *shudders* windows | 07:47 |
| tgm4883 | at least it would be a starting point | 07:48 |
| superm1 | yea | 07:49 |
| tgm4883 | maybe im just talking crazy | 07:50 |
| superm1 | well it would be nice | 07:53 |
| superm1 | but there are so many complications around that | 07:53 |
| superm1 | i mean it would also be nice if the QAM256 stuff wasn't all encrypted | 07:53 |
| superm1 | then that would solve everyone's problems | 07:53 |
| superm1 | newer TVs would work without cable boxes | 07:53 |
| superm1 | QAM256 tuners on PCs would work | 07:53 |
| superm1 | and it would be a happy world | 07:53 |
| tgm4883 | im just going to move to north korea and hope the 1 channel i get is unencrypted | 07:55 |
| tgm4883 | i didn't mean that, i get grumpy when im hungry | 07:55 |
| tgm4883 | i got to make me some food | 07:56 |
| superm1 | haha | 07:56 |
| superm1 | okay later | 07:56 |
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| jono | hey superm1 | 10:01 |
| jono | gonna cook dinner then begin the install :) | 10:01 |
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| defendguin | would the desktop or server be better suited for running a mythtv box\print server? | 10:49 |
| tgm4883 | just a print server? | 10:56 |
| defendguin | yeah | 10:57 |
| defendguin | just one printer | 10:57 |
| tgm4883 | serving to other linux computers or windows | 10:57 |
| tgm4883 | probably just a regular desktop. I think the server install is more suited toward server software | 10:58 |
| defendguin | windows computers too | 10:59 |
| tgm4883 | i still say desktop | 11:00 |
| tgm4883 | are you using the computer as a regular desktop too? | 11:00 |
| defendguin | no | 11:00 |
| tgm4883 | frontend/backend/desktop? | 11:00 |
| defendguin | i really wouldn't use the desktop at all | 11:00 |
| tgm4883 | ok so just frontend backend | 11:01 |
| defendguin | right | 11:01 |
| tgm4883 | yea i would go with a desktop instal | 11:01 |
| tgm4883 | well follow the guide, cause you dont need the desktop | 11:01 |
| defendguin | and i don't have as much ram as i would like so i wanted something that would have less on by default | 11:01 |
| tgm4883 | how much ram | 11:04 |
| defendguin | maybe 512 | 11:04 |
| tgm4883 | ok | 11:04 |
| defendguin | or 384 | 11:04 |
| tgm4883 | yea go with the backend frontend, no desktop | 11:04 |
| tgm4883 | what cpu | 11:04 |
| defendguin | p4 | 11:04 |
| defendguin | maybe 1.7 2.0 ghz | 11:05 |
| tgm4883 | ok | 11:05 |
| tgm4883 | you should be fine | 11:05 |
| tgm4883 | your not planning on watching HD are you? | 11:05 |
| defendguin | well i need to have a desktop installed to make it easy to configure a few things | 11:05 |
| defendguin | nah i'm not paying for HD cable right now | 11:05 |
| tgm4883 | what things | 11:05 |
| defendguin | like the printer setup | 11:06 |
| tgm4883 | i dont think your processor is powerful enough for HD | 11:06 |
| defendguin | i'm not really worried about HD at this point in time | 11:06 |
| tgm4883 | ok | 11:06 |
| defendguin | what i'm also interested in is a light weight TV viewer that can hook up the the mythtv backend so i can watch TV on the laptop | 11:07 |
| defendguin | wirelessly of course | 11:07 |
| defendguin | :-D | 11:07 |
| tgm4883 | you could put just mythtv frontend on there | 11:08 |
| tgm4883 | thats how i watch it on my laptop | 11:08 |
| tgm4883 | thats how i stream it anyway | 11:08 |
| tgm4883 | or you could download the show to your laptop and watch it that way | 11:09 |
| defendguin | i was looking for just an app that i launch like any other app not somehting that would try and take over my desktop | 11:09 |
| tgm4883 | you can run the frontend in a window | 11:09 |
| defendguin | i noticed when i installed the myth frontend it interrupted gdm from loading as if it thought it was only going to be a gdm front end | 11:10 |
| defendguin | whoops | 11:10 |
| defendguin | s/gdm front/myth front | 11:10 |
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| tgm4883 | did you install mythtv-frontend or ubuntu-mythtv-frontend? | 11:11 |
| defendguin | ubuntu- | 11:12 |
| tgm4883 | ah | 11:12 |
| majoridiot | ? | 11:12 |
| defendguin | probably both | 11:12 |
| tgm4883 | that sets it up as a standalone frontend | 11:12 |
| defendguin | ok i'll stay away from that one then | 11:12 |
| tgm4883 | hey majoridiot | 11:12 |
| majoridiot | 'lo | 11:12 |
| tgm4883 | hows it going | 11:12 |
| majoridiot | package problems or just questions? | 11:12 |
| majoridiot | good. u? | 11:12 |
| tgm4883 | good | 11:13 |
| tgm4883 | he wants to watch tv wirelessly on his laptop | 11:13 |
| majoridiot | ew. | 11:13 |
| majoridiot | good luck. | 11:13 |
| tgm4883 | but mythtv was taking over his desktop | 11:13 |
| tgm4883 | oh no? | 11:13 |
| majoridiot | it can, but barely.... | 11:13 |
| tgm4883 | standard def works on mine, but HD is too much | 11:13 |
| majoridiot | you need a STRONG signal... G-only... | 11:13 |
| tgm4883 | yea G only | 11:13 |
| defendguin | N | 11:14 |
| majoridiot | and the mythtv stream needs to be pretty much the only traffic on the wireless network | 11:14 |
| tgm4883 | n is even better | 11:14 |
| defendguin | but i don't have N | 11:14 |
| majoridiot | n is best, yes. | 11:14 |
| defendguin | ;-) | 11:14 |
| tgm4883 | oh | 11:14 |
| tomrick | Crazybone - VLC | 11:14 |
| tgm4883 | aah just give me 200ft of cat 5 anyday | 11:15 |
| majoridiot | it can be done... the first coupla months my mythtv xtion was wireless only. | 11:15 |
| superm1 | majoridiot, I contacted the guy doing the event | 11:15 |
| superm1 | in Portland | 11:15 |
| majoridiot | just be prepared for less-than-perfect viewing. | 11:15 |
| superm1 | he'd love to have me talk too | 11:15 |
| majoridiot | :) | 11:15 |
| defendguin | well with no HD and a strong signal and i'll stop browsing while watching i'm sure i'll be fine | 11:15 |
| tgm4883 | awesome | 11:15 |
| majoridiot | superm1: who is it? | 11:15 |
| superm1 | Andrew Olson | 11:15 |
| tgm4883 | mine works great, but i live in a small apartment | 11:15 |
| superm1 | he works for chariot systems | 11:15 |
| superm1 | he's a java guy | 11:16 |
| majoridiot | ah | 11:16 |
| superm1 | so i'm gonna make sure that i can get off of work for a few days and get a road trip organized | 11:16 |
| superm1 | and then i'll plan to be there :) | 11:16 |
| defendguin | i really hope my remote control works out the box this time around | 11:16 |
| tgm4883 | what remote? | 11:16 |
| majoridiot | defendguin: yes, cut the network traffic and you should be 98% satisfied ;) | 11:16 |
| defendguin | for a hauppage winttv pvr150 | 11:16 |
| majoridiot | superm1: if you are speaking as well, i am willing to help sponsor | 11:17 |
| tgm4883 | i dont think lirc is loaded automatically | 11:17 |
| tgm4883 | but its real easy to setup | 11:17 |
| defendguin | i had a LOT of problems with edgy | 11:17 |
| superm1 | majoridiot, u mean like hardware? | 11:17 |
| tgm4883 | oh feisty is really nice | 11:17 |
| majoridiot | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Feisty | 11:17 |
| defendguin | never did get it working | 11:17 |
| tgm4883 | there it is | 11:17 |
| majoridiot | superm1: cost-offsetting | 11:18 |
| superm1 | majoridiot, i couldnt ask you to help with that. dont worry about it | 11:18 |
| defendguin | i'll have to try it out when i get home | 11:18 |
| tgm4883 | the pvr 150 should work out of the box | 11:18 |
| majoridiot | defendguin: lirc install is a snap for both pvr-150 versons | 11:18 |
| superm1 | majoridiot, its already plenty that you help out so much with this team | 11:19 |
| majoridiot | superm1: you didn't ask... but i am willing to help just the same | 11:19 |
| majoridiot | just to get you there | 11:19 |
| tgm4883 | its pretty simple, just follow the guide | 11:19 |
| tgm4883 | i think it added maybe 10 minutes to my install | 11:19 |
| tgm4883 | tops | 11:19 |
| majoridiot | tops :) i like that. | 11:20 |
| superm1 | majoridiot, that is very generous. very much so appreciated | 11:20 |
| superm1 | majoridiot, i'll make sure that i can get out there and we can talk more :) | 11:20 |
| superm1 | gotta run to work right now though, | 11:20 |
| superm1 | we'll be in touc | 11:20 |
| majoridiot | k | 11:20 |
| majoridiot | ttyl | 11:20 |
| tgm4883 | living in the west coast is finally going to pay off | 11:20 |
| majoridiot | LOL @ tgm4883 | 11:21 |
| tgm4883 | we made some progress with the STB this morning | 11:21 |
| majoridiot | tgm4883: how goes the firewire situation? | 11:21 |
| tgm4883 | superm1 was helping me try some things | 11:21 |
| majoridiot | hehe | 11:21 |
| majoridiot | status? | 11:22 |
| tgm4883 | at least i can pass all the tests now | 11:22 |
| tgm4883 | well lets see | 11:22 |
| tgm4883 | superm1 talked me out of a complete reinstall to start from scratch, so we unplugged the box for 5 minutes, turned everything off | 11:23 |
| tgm4883 | booted the stb | 11:23 |
| tgm4883 | booted the mythtv box | 11:23 |
| tgm4883 | now i can run the firewire tester and pass every time | 11:23 |
| === majoridiot is glad superm1 talked you out of it | ||
| majoridiot | ah. vg. | 11:23 |
| majoridiot | how about the prime on init? | 11:23 |
| tgm4883 | we had a discussion earlier about my operating system reinstall disorder | 11:24 |
| majoridiot | hehe... you are stricken with that malady, it seems. | 11:24 |
| tgm4883 | 2007-04-20 10:03:52 firewire ownership acquired | 11:24 |
| tgm4883 | 2007-04-20 10:03:52 priming firewire... | 11:24 |
| tgm4883 | 2007-04-20 10:03:52 FAILED! unable to prime firewire | 11:24 |
| tgm4883 | thats my error | 11:24 |
| tgm4883 | so at least we are back to that | 11:24 |
| majoridiot | k. a workable position. | 11:24 |
| tgm4883 | we were talking about our upgrade paths (him up from breezy) and he commented on all my reinstalls | 11:25 |
| tgm4883 | i had a few | 11:25 |
| tgm4883 | most of which though was settling on a distrobution that i liked | 11:25 |
| tgm4883 | im going to start my frontend back up | 11:26 |
| tgm4883 | as im logged in as me right now, not mythtv | 11:26 |
| majoridiot | ok... i'm a little fuzzy from last night. you downloaded the primer and compiled it, right? | 11:27 |
| tgm4883 | yes | 11:27 |
| majoridiot | you shouldn't ever be logged in as mythtv, really. | 11:27 |
| tgm4883 | no? | 11:27 |
| majoridiot | no | 11:27 |
| tgm4883 | wait, when it auto logs in is what i mean | 11:27 |
| majoridiot | ah | 11:27 |
| majoridiot | you have the be/fe standalone | 11:28 |
| tgm4883 | yes | 11:28 |
| majoridiot | k | 11:28 |
| tgm4883 | im at the testing the primer in the guide | 11:28 |
| majoridiot | q: | 11:28 |
| majoridiot | did you modify the init script yourself, or download the one at the end of the guide and copy it to /etc/init.d? | 11:29 |
| tgm4883 | the mythtv-backend? | 11:29 |
| majoridiot | yes | 11:29 |
| tgm4883 | modified it myslef | 11:30 |
| tgm4883 | and that may be the problem | 11:30 |
| majoridiot | mayhaps so. | 11:30 |
| tgm4883 | because i have issues | 11:30 |
| tgm4883 | ill download it | 11:30 |
| majoridiot | back it up... | 11:30 |
| tgm4883 | do i need to chmod the download or anything? | 11:30 |
| majoridiot | yes and chmod +x it | 11:30 |
| majoridiot | then sudo cp it to /etc/init.d | 11:30 |
| tgm4883 | chmod +x and chown? | 11:30 |
| majoridiot | no need to chown | 11:31 |
| tgm4883 | ok | 11:31 |
| majoridiot | the ownership will change to root when you sudo cp it | 11:31 |
| majoridiot | which is fine, as that script runs at root level | 11:31 |
| tgm4883 | ok | 11:34 |
| tgm4883 | that is done | 11:34 |
| tgm4883 | a simple backend restart? | 11:34 |
| majoridiot | yup | 11:34 |
| tgm4883 | hmm | 11:35 |
| majoridiot | ? | 11:36 |
| tgm4883 | 2007-04-20 14:35:32 firewire ownership acquired | 11:36 |
| tgm4883 | 2007-04-20 14:35:32 priming firewire... | 11:36 |
| tgm4883 | 2007-04-20 14:35:32 SUCCESS! firewire is primed | 11:36 |
| tgm4883 | oh | 11:36 |
| majoridiot | :) | 11:36 |
| tgm4883 | the stb changed its channel to 2 when i restarted the backend | 11:36 |
| majoridiot | yer good to go. | 11:36 |
| tgm4883 | thats why the hmm | 11:37 |
| majoridiot | :) | 11:37 |
| majoridiot | operator error. LOL | 11:37 |
| tgm4883 | thats a pebcak error if i ever saw one | 11:37 |
| majoridiot | (i'm adding that to the troubleshooting section LOL) | 11:37 |
| majoridiot | pebcak...? | 11:37 |
| tgm4883 | Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard | 11:38 |
| majoridiot | ah yes... yes. | 11:38 |
| tgm4883 | Then the famous ID 10 T error | 11:38 |
| === majoridiot has a jeff goldblum yes, yes... yes moment | ||
| tgm4883 | now to test | 11:39 |
| tgm4883 | I tried fetching the channels after i removed all cards and sources this morning (for the HDTV 5500) and it didn't work | 11:40 |
| tgm4883 | had to scan | 11:40 |
| defendguin | majoridiot, great | 11:41 |
| majoridiot | hm. | 11:41 |
| tgm4883 | hmm | 11:44 |
| tgm4883 | not getting any live tv from the stb | 11:44 |
| tgm4883 | although the backend is giving me some info | 11:44 |
| majoridiot | look at the backend log for info | 11:44 |
| tgm4883 | the is nothing else in there | 11:45 |
| tgm4883 | 2007-04-20 10:03:52 firewire ownership acquired | 11:45 |
| tgm4883 | 2007-04-20 10:03:52 priming firewire... | 11:45 |
| tgm4883 | 2007-04-20 10:03:52 FAILED! unable to prime firewire | 11:45 |
| tgm4883 | 2007-04-20 14:35:32 firewire ownership acquired | 11:45 |
| tgm4883 | 2007-04-20 14:35:32 priming firewire... | 11:45 |
| tgm4883 | 2007-04-20 14:35:32 SUCCESS! firewire is primed | 11:45 |
| tgm4883 | thats the entire log | 11:45 |
| tgm4883 | although i do get some info from the ssh session that i started the backend from | 11:46 |
| majoridiot | hm. | 11:47 |
| tgm4883 | this section might help | 11:47 |
| tgm4883 | 2007-04-20 14:43:34.552 adding: athena as a client (events: 0) | 11:47 |
| majoridiot | how are you starting the backend? | 11:47 |
| tgm4883 | 2007-04-20 14:43:34.553 TVRec(2): Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV | 11:47 |
| tgm4883 | 2007-04-20 14:43:34.553 TVRec(2): HW Tuner: 2->2 | 11:47 |
| tgm4883 | libiec61883 warning: Established connection on channel 0. | 11:47 |
| tgm4883 | You may need to manually set the channel on the receiving node. | 11:47 |
| tgm4883 | 2007-04-20 14:43:36.151 FireRec: Buffered packets 2000 (8000 KB) | 11:47 |
| tgm4883 | 2007-04-20 14:43:42.665 TVRec(2): Changing from WatchingLiveTV to None | 11:47 |
| tgm4883 | 2007-04-20 14:43:42.707 Finished recording General Hospital: channel 2002 | 11:47 |
| tgm4883 | sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart | 11:47 |
| tgm4883 | thats what i ran | 11:47 |
| majoridiot | warning: Established connection on channel 0.... you've got a database source error again | 11:47 |
| tgm4883 | we may have set it to only log errors though | 11:47 |
| tgm4883 | :( | 11:48 |
| defendguin | maybe i should run a dns server in the mythtv box so i could use computer names around the house instead of ip addresses | 11:48 |
| majoridiot | defendguin: why? | 11:48 |
| defendguin | why not? | 11:48 |
| majoridiot | tgm4883: ok you have 2 sources? | 11:49 |
| tgm4883 | yes | 11:49 |
| tgm4883 | the firewire and the hdtv 5500 | 11:49 |
| majoridiot | defendguin: if your router automatically issues interal ips by MAC, then each machine has a permanent address no resolves needed | 11:49 |
| majoridiot | tgm4883: and each source has a different name? | 11:50 |
| defendguin | majoridiot, linksys router doesn't have dhcp reservations | 11:50 |
| majoridiot | hm. mine does. | 11:50 |
| tgm4883 | the stb correctly changes to channel 2 when i change tuners in watch tv | 11:50 |
| defendguin | mine is rav5 which doesn't have linux firmware | 11:50 |
| defendguin | rev. 5 | 11:50 |
| tgm4883 | mine does too, (put probably cause I run ddwrt) | 11:51 |
| defendguin | not easily upgraded | 11:51 |
| tgm4883 | yea each has a different name | 11:51 |
| majoridiot | tgm4883: do the sources share a common zap2it profile? | 11:51 |
| tgm4883 | yes | 11:51 |
| defendguin | well i'm gone | 11:51 |
| defendguin | ttyl | 11:51 |
| majoridiot | ~ | 11:51 |
| majoridiot | k | 11:51 |
| majoridiot | try this... | 11:52 |
| majoridiot | mythtv-setup... channel editor | 11:52 |
| majoridiot | delete all channels from the source for fw | 11:52 |
| tgm4883 | maybe i should remove the hdtv 5500 from the list (not the computer) | 11:52 |
| tgm4883 | all the fw channels | 11:52 |
| majoridiot | yes... delete all channels | 11:53 |
| majoridiot | then delete the source itself | 11:53 |
| majoridiot | set up a new source with a *new name* | 11:53 |
| majoridiot | and fill it with your zap2it data | 11:53 |
| majoridiot | then go to tuners and bind your fw connection to that source | 11:54 |
| majoridiot | and grab the channel listing from the source on that same screen | 11:54 |
| majoridiot | (button) | 11:54 |
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| Rtax | aloha | 11:54 |
| majoridiot | that should give you a channel tables, etc. for firewire. | 11:54 |
| majoridiot | and won't hurt the 5500 setup | 11:55 |
| majoridiot | Rtax: hola | 11:55 |
| majoridiot | Rtax: i have a solution for your xmltv issue | 11:55 |
| majoridiot | (i think) | 11:55 |
| Rtax | well, i'm ok so far | 11:55 |
| Rtax | did a manual mythfill and seems ok | 11:56 |
| majoridiot | ah, ok. nm then. | 11:56 |
| Rtax | just have to do a cron job to do that weekly | 11:56 |
| Rtax | but if you have anything more automated, awesome | 11:56 |
| Rtax | is there anything different in feisty as far as twinview? | 11:57 |
| majoridiot | no... when last we spoke you didn't know how to fill the database from an xml file. thaz all. you obviously sussed it. | 11:57 |
| majoridiot | Rtax: i don't think so. other than some compiz support built-in. | 11:58 |
| majoridiot | Rtax: feisty does have a proprietary driver manager to install binary blobs like nvidia, atheros, etc. | 11:59 |
| Rtax | i have the nvidia drivers installed, got compiz and beryl installed | 11:59 |
| Rtax | both working great | 11:59 |
| === tgm4883 loves feisty | ||
| Rtax | but I have my tv on the svideo output of my nvidia 5200 | 12:00 |
| Rtax | any ideas? | 12:00 |
| majoridiot | Rtax: the only way i got the svideo on my 5500 to work worth anything is in clone mode | 12:01 |
| Rtax | i had it working in edgy | 12:01 |
| Rtax | using right of | 12:01 |
| majoridiot | using the same xorg.conf as in edgy? | 12:02 |
| Rtax | not yet | 12:03 |
| Rtax | i'm about to transfer the settings | 12:03 |
| Rtax | good idea? | 12:03 |
| majoridiot | should be ok | 12:03 |
| majoridiot | as long as the hardware didn't change | 12:03 |
| Rtax | nope, lets try then | 12:04 |
| tgm4883 | your freaking kidding me | 12:06 |
| tgm4883 | unable to prime firewire | 12:07 |
| majoridiot | ? | 12:08 |
| tgm4883 | hmm | 12:08 |
| tgm4883 | just a sec | 12:08 |
| tgm4883 | let me pm you some stuff majoridiot | 12:09 |
| tgm4883 | cause its a little long i think | 12:09 |
| majoridiot | np | 12:09 |
| tgm4883 | but it may be relevant | 12:09 |
| tgm4883 | ill need to explain what i did as not all is in this post | 12:10 |
| majoridiot | k | 12:10 |
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| Rtax | hmm, same xorg.conf didn't work | 12:19 |
| Rtax | seems to have a desktop, but no gnome desktop | 12:20 |
| majoridiot | that's odd. | 12:20 |
| Rtax | maybe its beryl or compiz | 12:23 |
| majoridiot | ah yes | 12:24 |
| Rtax | yep | 12:24 |
| majoridiot | there are beryl/compiz specific setting in xorg.conf, right? | 12:24 |
| Rtax | doesn't look like it | 12:24 |
| Rtax | I disabled desktop effects | 12:25 |
| Rtax | and it worked | 12:25 |
| majoridiot | ah | 12:25 |
| majoridiot | vg | 12:25 |
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