[12:29] <Rtax> yep
[12:29] <superm1> well minor word of warning.  debian bug 373871
[12:29] <ubotu> Debian bug 373871 in unknown "IR Transmitting broke (ubuntu dapper pulling debian package)" [Important,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/373871
[12:30] <superm1> i filed that with debian almost a year ago, when IR transmitting broke for all my serial transmitters
[12:30] <Rtax> I have the pvr150 with transmitter, but living in South Africa, they don't have the codesets for my receiver
[12:30] <superm1> since then we (ubuntu), have done a cvs snapshot package - but the problem still exists
[12:30] <superm1> and i havent been able to nail it
[12:31] <Rtax> that might be why I couldn't get it to work on edgy
[12:31] <superm1> so i only use mceusb2 transmitters now
[12:31] <superm1> its broken in debian etch too
[12:31] <Rtax> I might need to get an mceusb transmitter
[12:31] <superm1> it doesnt effect everyone, some still report success
[12:32] <Rtax> ok.
[12:32] <superm1> the mceusb2 transmitters are a bit picky though too
[12:32] <Rtax> By the way, back to myth install
[12:33] <Rtax> In mythtv-setup, what is the correct procedure to get your channels into the db?
[12:33] <Rtax> scan for channels?
[12:33] <Rtax> I'm using composit input
[12:33] <majoridiot> are you using a grabber for program listings?
[12:34] <Rtax> there isn't a working one for SA again
[12:34] <Rtax> so I use an xml file
[12:34] <majoridiot> with xmltv?
[12:35] <Rtax> problem is if I just do a mythfilldatabse --manual, it doesn't have any info, so I have to try and remember the 127 channels
[12:36] <Rtax> some guys have written a scraper to get the listings of our sat provider's webpage
[12:36] <Rtax> and they put it into an xmltv format
[12:36] <majoridiot> k
[12:36] <Rtax> savage.org.za
[12:37] <majoridiot> then use xmltv as the "grabber", point it at your xml file and it should fill using that.
[12:37] <majoridiot> scan for channels first, or you can "grab channels from source" if all of the channels in the xml file are valid channels for your receiver.
[12:39] <Rtax> no xmltv option in grabber? I'm sure it used to be there
[12:42] <majoridiot> hm.
[12:43] <tgm4883> arg
[12:43] <Rtax> should I install the xmltv packages?
[12:43] <superm1> Rtax, xmltv does need to be installed afaik
[12:45] <tgm4883> I can stream HD content over firewire right?
[12:45] <majoridiot> if it is not encrypted, yes.
[12:45] <tgm4883> ah
[12:46] <majoridiot> (keeping in mind you need the power to then play the files)
[12:46] <majoridiot> what STB are you using?
[12:46] <tgm4883> I assume that the power that is needed is just to play HD and not any extra power becuase im using firewire
[12:46] <tgm4883> I have a motorola 6200 from comcast
[12:47] <majoridiot> right.  to decode the stream only.  streaming/recording takes minimal resources.
[12:47] <majoridiot> k
[12:47] <majoridiot> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Firewire
[12:47] <tgm4883> yea i have a pcHDTV 5500 that gets the HD right now, but I just upgraded my cable and want to get the discovery HD and espn hd on the mythtv
[12:47] <majoridiot> "general firewire notes" tells you how to check to see if channels are encrypted.
[12:48] <majoridiot> (be usre to check channels that do not tune properly for BOTH 5C and CCI 0x02 flags)
[12:49] <majoridiot> espn HD i can say for SURE should not be CCI encoded
[12:49] <majoridiot> 5c, possibly.
[12:50] <Xenocide> majoridiot, i got my nvidia card today, all my problems are gone and everything looks SO GOOD!
[12:50] <Xenocide> the picture isn't all blurry and crap
[12:50] <majoridiot> YAY @ Xenocide
[12:50] <Xenocide> :)
[12:51] <Xenocide> it looks like real tv
[12:51] <majoridiot> nvidia for life.
[12:51] <Xenocide> yup yup
[12:51] <Xenocide> and xVmc works too
[12:51] <Xenocide> no cpu load difference but i guess ill leave it on incase i do HD
[12:51] <majoridiot> how much load did xvmc take off?
[12:51] <Xenocide> none
[12:51] <majoridiot> ah
[12:51] <Xenocide> uses 18% cpu regardless
[12:51] <majoridiot> you know, i never got it working either.
[12:51] <Xenocide> no no, it works
[12:51] <Rtax> ummm, there doesn't seem to be a way in mythtv to set up xmltv to point to a file...
[12:52] <Xenocide> you can tell because the OSD turns grey
[12:52] <majoridiot> in fact, xvmc loaded MORE than without.  lol
[12:52] <Xenocide> well are you doing SD?
[12:52] <majoridiot> Rtax: i'm looking...
[12:52] <Xenocide> i believe it doesn't make m uch of a difference with SD
[12:52] <Xenocide> only with old processors
[12:52] <majoridiot> (HD)
[12:52] <Xenocide> hm really
[12:52] <majoridiot> (new processors)
[12:52] <Xenocide> now if i want to upscale SD to an hdtv i should use xVmc right?
[12:53] <majoridiot> nah
[12:53] <Rtax> ok, thanks, I installed xmltv, but ivtv wasn't installed, so I've done that and am rebooting
[12:53] <Xenocide> how well do the channel icons work?
[12:53] <majoridiot> IMO, they are ugly.
[12:53] <superm1> Rtax, ivtv drivers are installed by default on Feisty
[12:54] <majoridiot> i never bothered installing them on this latest install.
[12:54] <Xenocide> ive never tried them, was just wondering
[12:54] <Rtax> wasn't on the in the package lsit
[12:54] <Xenocide> i swear feisty mythfrontend uses more cpu
[12:54] <superm1> Rtax, the kernel modules load though
[12:54] <superm1> by themselves
[12:54] <superm1> Rtax, if you need the ivtv-tune app though, ivtv-utils isnt installed by default
[12:54] <tgm4883> err, on the 6200, does anyone know if the active ports show 0 when no cables are hooked up?  Or should i see active ports no matter what?
[12:55] <Xenocide> tgm4883, how are you seeing active ports, i can check for you, just installed one today
[12:55] <majoridiot> you should show one active
[12:55] <tgm4883> im running through to see if the channels are encrypted
[12:55] <majoridiot> (unless they changed firmware recently)
[12:55] <tgm4883> i don't have the firewire hooked up yet
[12:56] <majoridiot> no... i take that back
[12:56] <majoridiot> you should show 1394 ENABLED
[12:56] <majoridiot> ACTIVE only when plugged into the pc
[12:56] <tgm4883> im having the hardest time getting into that menu
[12:57] <tgm4883> i got in once
[12:57] <majoridiot> it's quick... power button then OK
[12:57] <tgm4883> must have been lucky
[12:57] <majoridiot> ah... try just HITTING the OK, not holding it
[12:58] <tgm4883> well.....im in something, but it's not the diag menu
[12:58] <majoridiot> white screen?
[12:59] <tgm4883> screen is blank, but the front of the box says d 01
[12:59] <majoridiot> hm.  that's the diagnostic screen.
[12:59] <tgm4883> and with the arrows i can go up to d 18, then a single e
[12:59] <majoridiot> is it connected to an HDTV?
[01:00] <tgm4883> yea, but its connected via rg6, let me hook up the component
[01:00] <majoridiot> yeah... try that.
[01:00] <majoridiot> the fp display is showing you are getting into diag menu
[01:04] <tgm4883> ahh much bette
[01:04] <tgm4883> r
[01:04] <majoridiot> rtax... i think i have a solution for xmltv
[01:04] <tgm4883> ok 1394 does say enabled
[01:04] <majoridiot> :) @ tgm4883
[01:05] <majoridiot> then you are good to go to see what's available on fw
[01:05] <majoridiot> who is your cable provider?
[01:05] <tgm4883> ok so im looking for 5c implementation and
[01:06] <tgm4883> is cci copy control?
[01:06] <majoridiot> yes
[01:06] <tgm4883> ok
[01:06] <tgm4883> i wasn't seeing cci anywhere
[01:06] <majoridiot> hope for 0x00 on all channels
[01:07] <majoridiot> cci is under menu item D6
[01:07] <majoridiot> at the bottom left of the screen, likely
[01:08] <tgm4883> 0x00 would equal copy free?  Cause that is what is under d11
[01:08] <majoridiot> cool... they put it on that screen too
[01:08] <majoridiot> yes
[01:08] <majoridiot> 0x00 means you can stream that channel firewire
[01:08] <tgm4883> ok
[01:09] <tgm4883> so this just means that it is unencrypted over firewire even though it is encrypted over just the cable?
[01:09] <majoridiot> yes
[01:10] <tgm4883> I ask because i cant view it with just my atsc tuner
[01:10] <majoridiot> REALLY?
[01:10] <majoridiot> hm.
[01:10] <tgm4883> yea
[01:10] <majoridiot> but you pay for that channel, right?
[01:10] <tgm4883> yea
[01:10] <majoridiot> oh wait... yeah makes sense
[01:11] <majoridiot> the cable box demuxes and decrypts the stream...
[01:11] <majoridiot> then sends it out firewire
[01:11] <tgm4883> ticks me off that the discovery hd is encrypted, its in the middle of my broadcast channels
[01:11] <majoridiot> the atsc card would be getting an encrypted stream.
[01:12] <tgm4883> :(
[01:12] <tgm4883> gotta get your mythbusters in HD
[01:12] <majoridiot> well, it looks like someone needs to take a crack at the firewire guide and get it set up
[01:12] <majoridiot> love that show.
[01:13] <Xenocide> best show on that chanel along with dirty jobs
[01:13] <tgm4883> yep
[01:13] <Xenocide> ive been getting into deadliest catch too
[01:13] <tgm4883> although the gf loves the planet earth thing
[01:13] <Xenocide> meant to watch those, never got around to it
[01:14] <Xenocide> cute fuzzy things right?
[01:14] <Xenocide> lol
[01:14] <tgm4883> unfortunatly i am going to need another ir receiver as my current one is going to go bye bye
[01:14] <tgm4883> no room for my pvr-150 with the firewire card
[01:14] <Xenocide> mine was DOA had to rma my whole pvr card
[01:14] <majoridiot> tgm4883: be SURE not to plug/unplug the firewire cable between the computer and STB with the computer power on
[01:14] <tgm4883> ah, good to know, cause i would have tried that
[01:15] <majoridiot> the guide says not to... just wanted to emphasize it
[01:15] <majoridiot> (it makes the node jump around)
[01:15] <tgm4883> what is a good ir receiver (I suppose either usb or serial).  Hopefully something I can pick up in town
[01:15] <Xenocide> what kinda remote
[01:16] <tgm4883> take your pick, i have a vizio remote that came with my tv (has some universal functions), i have a remote that came with my motorola 6200, i have a urc-6131nw
[01:16] <majoridiot> http://www.irblaster.info/index.html
[01:16] <majoridiot> (cool shite)
[01:16] <Xenocide> i built one from an xbox dvd dongle but it only accepts rca remotes
[01:17] <tgm4883> that reminds me
[01:17] <tgm4883> i have an xbox dvd remote
[01:17] <superm1> Xenocide, your new card was DOA?
[01:17] <Xenocide> no no
[01:17] <Xenocide> new one works
[01:17] <tgm4883> does the network remote feature for mythtv work?
[01:17] <superm1> ah good :)
[01:17] <Xenocide> i got my nvidia card too, i am SOOOO happy
[01:17] <superm1> Xenocide, nice
[01:17] <superm1> doing some HD stuff yet?
[01:17] <tgm4883> cause i could use that too
[01:17] <superm1> or is that the next step
[01:17] <Xenocide> no hd service
[01:17] <superm1> ah ok
[01:17] <Xenocide> need an hd tuner first, t hats a few months away
[01:18] <Xenocide> ? though, with the pvr ir setup
[01:18] <Xenocide> can i have my volume up and down buttons mapped to output to my reciever?
[01:18] <superm1> with the pvr150 blaster ya,
[01:18] <Xenocide> any guide for that?
[01:19] <superm1> see the feisty lirc guide
[01:19] <Xenocide> k
[01:19] <superm1> explains how to setup the blaster
[01:19] <Rtax> thanks for your help guys
[01:20] <Rtax> i got to go to bed, 1.20am now
[01:20] <Rtax> got mythtv working
[01:20] <Rtax> thats huge! from starting to install feisty to finished with beryl and everything in about 4 hours
[01:20] <Xenocide> do i not also have to map that somehow from my remote to the new one in the lircd
[01:21] <majoridiot> Rtax: i have an xmltv solution
[01:21] <majoridiot> :D @ Rtax awesome!
[01:23] <tgm4883> i just need a standard firewire cable with a 6 pin connector on each side right, nothing special?
[01:23] <majoridiot> correct
[01:23] <tgm4883> ok
[01:23] <majoridiot> nicer quality preferred
[01:23] <tgm4883> nicer quality as in?
[01:24] <majoridiot> not the cheapest
[01:24] <majoridiot> should have good shielding, etc.
[01:24] <majoridiot> for testing, whatever you have laying around
[01:24] <tgm4883> so much for going to risky
[01:24] <tgm4883> i dont have any with two 6 pin heads
[01:24] <tgm4883> :(
[01:24] <majoridiot> :(
[01:25] <majoridiot> can ya get a cheap one locally?
[01:25] <majoridiot> get a cheap one to test with... if it's gonna work, gimme yer address and i'll mail you one.
[01:25] <tgm4883> i think so, there is a electrical store (they have all sorts of cool stuff)
[01:26] <tgm4883> i'll grab a cheap one, would a 4 pin to 6 pin adapter work?  cause i do have a 6 to 4 cable
[01:27] <majoridiot> the adapter should work as a temp solution, yes.
[01:27] <tgm4883> sweet back in about 20 minutes
[01:27] <majoridiot> LOL
[01:27] <majoridiot> drive safely
[01:35] <majoridiot> xuperm1: the box has already served up 120+ feistys since this morning :D
[01:35] <majoridiot> hehe superm1 that is
[01:51] <majoridiot> munch... biab
[02:02] <tgm4883> dang traffic
[02:02] <tgm4883> got me a good cable though
[02:03] <majoridiot> but the active port on your box is likely the onle on the right- as viewed from the back
[02:03] <tgm4883> got me a monster ultimate premium elite firewire cable, on sale for 96.99
[02:04] <majoridiot> egads
[02:04] <tgm4883> sorry, not elite
[02:04] <tgm4883> it says 1337 on the package
[02:04] <tgm4883> that means its good right
[02:04] <majoridiot> LOL
[02:04] <tgm4883> endorsed by linux torvalds
[02:04] <tgm4883> who is that?
[02:04] <majoridiot> a hack.
[02:05] <tgm4883> so is this a good cable? it has pure plutonium coated ends
[02:05] <majoridiot> too good, really.
[02:05] <tgm4883> sweet, only the best for my 21 in b/w
[02:05] <majoridiot> seriously... i would have send you a good one for nothing.
[02:06] <tgm4883> im kidding
[02:06] <tgm4883> the whole things a hoax
[02:06] <tgm4883> sometime i crack myself up
[02:06] <tgm4883> 6 feet for like 9 bucks
[02:06] <majoridiot> ya never know... a $100 monster fw cable is real
[02:06] <tgm4883> i know
[02:06] <majoridiot> that's good enough
[02:07] <tgm4883> i would never buy a 100 monster cable though
[02:07] <tgm4883> now to pull my firewire card
[02:07] <tgm4883> i love how they tell you how superior it is
[02:08] <tgm4883> even though digital is digital i always wondered how interference effected it
[02:08] <tgm4883> now there's a mythbusters episode
[02:09] <tgm4883> on hdmi?
[02:09] <majoridiot> kinda like "premium" vitamins?
[02:09] <majoridiot> on mars, baby.
[02:09] <majoridiot> LOL
[02:10] <tgm4883> suppose i should have checked my firewire card first
[02:11] <majoridiot> 4 pin?
[02:11] <majoridiot> LOL
[02:11] <tgm4883> no its 6 pin
[02:11] <majoridiot> whaz the prob?
[02:11] <tgm4883> that would of been funny though
[02:11] <tgm4883> nothing yet.
[02:11] <majoridiot> yes, it would have.
[02:11] <tgm4883> just should have checked for compatibility
[02:11] <majoridiot> it'll be fine.  have faith.
[02:11] <tgm4883> i have to install it in the mythtv box first
[02:12] <majoridiot> what brand/chipset?
[02:13] <majoridiot> unless it's a reall oddball, you should be ok.
[02:13] <tgm4883> :shrugs:
[02:13] <tgm4883> lucent
[02:13] <tgm4883> fw323-04
[02:13] <majoridiot> i bought a $16 aopen card that works like a champ.
[02:13] <majoridiot> lucent?  you should be ok.
[02:13] <tgm4883> ive had this thing for years
[02:13] <majoridiot> even better
[02:13] <majoridiot> older is usually a great thing
[02:14] <tgm4883> hope so
[02:17] <tgm4883> dang it
[02:17] <tgm4883> i forgot to hook up the firewire cable
[02:17] <majoridiot> LOL
[02:18] <tgm4883> i knew it as soon as i powered on
[02:18] <majoridiot> that's how it usually happens
[02:38] <tgm4883_> arg
[02:38] <tgm4883_> accidently unplugged the cable modem
[02:39] <majoridiot> ;)
[02:39] <tgm4883_> do we know which plug on the back of the 6200?
[02:39] <tgm4883_> i used the left
[02:39] <tgm4883_> hey look, i quit
[02:39] <majoridiot> likely the right hand one as viewed from the back
[02:40] <tgm4883> figures
[02:40] <tgm4883> i used the left
[02:40] <majoridiot> i TOLD you that...
[02:40] <majoridiot> hehe
[02:40] <tgm4883> when?
[02:40] <tgm4883> wait
[02:40] <majoridiot> up there ^^^
[02:40] <tgm4883> after i asked the first time?
[02:40] <majoridiot> probably.
[02:40] <majoridiot> hehe
[02:41] <tgm4883> see, that would be when i unplugged the cable modem
[02:41] <tgm4883> and didnt see it
[02:45] <tgm4883> :( this is going to take forever with the repos being so slow
[02:45] <majoridiot> use a mirror
[02:45] <tgm4883> good thing i got lots of time :)
[02:45] <tgm4883> oh yea
[02:45] <majoridiot> not much to install anyway
[02:45] <tgm4883> i forgot to set that up
[02:46] <majoridiot> if you are using feisty, about all you will need is libiec61883-dev and the scripts.
[02:46] <tgm4883> sweet
[02:47] <tgm4883> i just finished getting the libiec
[02:47] <tgm4883> one questions on the guide
[02:49] <tgm4883> i ran plug report and it came back with node 1 being active (looks similar to the guide) so does that mean that it is plugged into the correct port on the stb?  Or do i need to go back into diag mode on it?
[02:49] <majoridiot> yer good to go
[02:49] <majoridiot> carry on...
[02:49] <tgm4883> right stb port?
[02:50] <majoridiot> apparently so
[02:50] <tgm4883> sweet, its great that all my electronics are starting to work correctly
[02:50] <majoridiot> (it is possible that both ports might be active)
[02:51] <tgm4883> :( i went into the stb diag just to check and it still says 1394 not active
[02:51] <majoridiot> because it is not streaming
[02:51] <Xenocide> hey majoridiot  when i move back to raleigh for the summer and the tv channels are different do i just delete all channels in mythtv setup, and get them again from datadirect? do i need to do anything else with my database to update recording schedules and such?
[02:52] <tgm4883> then the guide confuses me
[02:52] <majoridiot> Xenocide: when you move, just delete that channel "source", set up a new one with your new datadirect data and fill the database
[02:53] <Xenocide> oh so it will automatically do everything else for me?
[02:54] <majoridiot> your recording schedules, etc. will need reset as well, as the channels will change
[02:56] <majoridiot> tgm4883: you show 0 active ports on screen D11?
[02:56] <tgm4883> yea
[02:56] <tgm4883> well
[02:56] <majoridiot> ?
[02:56] <tgm4883> it says active, then under that it says no
[02:57] <majoridiot> sec
[02:58] <tgm4883> nm
[02:58] <majoridiot> it should say 1394 I/O device INST / active ports 1
[02:58] <tgm4883> page 3 says active ports 1
[02:58] <tgm4883> my bad
[02:58] <majoridiot> page ?
[02:58] <majoridiot> hm
[02:58] <majoridiot> you must have different firmware.
[02:59] <tgm4883> yea on the diag there are 4 pages
[02:59] <tgm4883> just under d11
[02:59] <majoridiot> hm.  mine is like the 3rd entry on page 1 of D11
[02:59] <majoridiot> diff firmware.
[02:59] <tgm4883> yep
[02:59] <majoridiot> you are good to go... if you got data on the plugreport, just keep going
[03:00] <tgm4883> first page on mine just gives me all the different ports
[03:00] <tgm4883> whether they are enabled
[03:00] <tgm4883> and whether they are active
[03:00] <tgm4883> whats the ethernet for ?
[03:00] <majoridiot> but not for 1394?  odd.
[03:00] <majoridiot> afaik, the usb, ethernet and sata are all disabled.
[03:01] <majoridiot> in theory, for home networking.
[03:01] <tgm4883> yea it gives me 1394, but only tells me enabled and active, and for some reason not active on this screen but active on another
[03:01] <tgm4883> hmm
[03:01] <tgm4883> interesting because according to this, usb and ethernet are enabled
[03:02] <majoridiot> yes
[03:02] <majoridiot> they just don't do anything
[03:03] <tgm4883> ah
[03:03] <majoridiot> (i tried hacking into them before settling on firewire, 'lo these many months ago)
[03:03] <majoridiot> LOL
[03:03] <tgm4883> lol
[03:06] <majoridiot> i made a change to the guide re: firmware
[03:12] <tgm4883> lol i was freaking out
[03:12] <tgm4883> non of the firewire tests were passing
[03:12] <tgm4883> i was still in the diag menu
[03:12] <majoridiot> the box does need to be turned on
[03:12] <majoridiot> and tuned to a good channel
[03:13] <tgm4883> im on espn hd
[03:13] <majoridiot> and plugged into the cable feed coming from the wall
[03:13] <majoridiot> (it's the black snake-looking thing with the shiny end)
[03:13] <tgm4883> getting success on p2p 4 to 5 times out of 5
[03:13] <tgm4883> thanks
[03:13] <tgm4883> could you send a picture
[03:13] <majoridiot> try broadcast
[03:14] <majoridiot> i recommend broadcast- it is the most stable for me
[03:15] <tgm4883> that seems to be successfull 100% after the first run
[03:15] <majoridiot> :)
[03:15] <tgm4883> sudo ./firewire_tester -b -P 0 -n 1 -r 5 (100% every time)
[03:15] <majoridiot> it will get finicky from time to time.. but the primer for it makes it 99% effective or better
[03:15] <tgm4883> :)
[03:15] <majoridiot> vg
[03:15] <majoridiot> you got a good stb, then.
[03:16] <tgm4883> sweet
[03:26] <tgm4883> hmm, is there a problem with having two different zap2it accounts?
[03:26] <majoridiot> probably
[03:26] <tgm4883> hmm
[03:26] <majoridiot> only one channel lineup per account
[03:27] <majoridiot> dunno if they limit # of accts per email address or not
[03:27] <tgm4883> i have 2 though
[03:27] <tgm4883> lineups that is
[03:27] <majoridiot> really?  i've tried that a number of times... never works.
[03:27] <majoridiot> (same zipcode?_
[03:27] <tgm4883> one digital cable, one analog cable
[03:27] <tgm4883> yea
[03:27] <tgm4883> oh
[03:28] <tgm4883> did you try doing the same type of cable?
[03:28] <tgm4883> cause thats failing for me
[03:28] <majoridiot> hm.yes
[03:28] <majoridiot> will only allow one line-up per provider, im my experience
[03:28] <tgm4883> question
[03:29] <majoridiot> ?
[03:29] <tgm4883> if i only have comcast digital setup in zap2it, how do i setup my hdtv 5500 so it only record the channels it can see?  is that when i scan for channels with it?
[03:29] <majoridiot> i have never been able to reliably set that up
[03:30] <tgm4883> :(
[03:30] <majoridiot> i change the recording input manually
[03:30] <majoridiot> and switch between tuners manually to go from analog to digital
[03:30] <tgm4883> im gonna setup a second zap2it account with a second email i have
[03:31] <majoridiot> it will *kind of* do it automatically if each tuner has its own source and the channels you don't want the tuner to have been deleted
[03:31] <majoridiot> but even then, i found it wholly unreliable.
[03:35] <tgm4883> what kind of reliablity issues?  I didn't have any problems running my pvr-150 and my hdtv 5500 through 1 zap2it account with 2 channel lineups
[03:36] <majoridiot> e.g. having mythtv automatically switch from tuner 1 on an analog channel to a digital channel over firewire by selecting the channel in the EPG
[03:37] <tgm4883> hmm
[03:38] <tgm4883> random switch or was it actually trying to do something?
[03:38] <majoridiot> sometimes it would switch, most times it would do nothing
[03:38] <tgm4883> strange
[03:39] <majoridiot> the docs claim a round-robin attempt at channel tuning, but i have never had it work properly
[03:40] <majoridiot> dunno.  it's a petty bitch for all of the awesome things it will do.
[03:40] <tgm4883> do you have a single channel lineup?
[03:40] <majoridiot> i've tried with both one and two lineups.
[03:41] <tgm4883> when you had 2 channel lineups, do you remember if any of the channels overlapped?
[03:41] <majoridiot> no overlap
[03:41] <tgm4883> hmm
[03:42] <tgm4883> that is strange
[03:42] <majoridiot> yeah
[03:42] <tgm4883> i wonder
[03:42] <tgm4883> is it possible that your ir receiver cable was getting interference from anything?
[03:43] <tgm4883> now im just shooting in the dark
[03:43] <majoridiot> nope.  it displayed the attempt... i.e. put the channel # on the OSD
[03:44] <majoridiot> just failed to tune and stayed on the channel it was on
[03:44] <tgm4883> strange
[05:00] <majoridiot> tgm4883: did you get firewire working in mythtv?
[06:17] <tgm4883> not yet
[06:17] <tgm4883> went to have dinner and back now, but getting card 0 (type ) is set to start on channel 2, which does not exist
[06:18] <majoridiot> unfortunately, i got that when i tried to use more than one source
[06:19] <majoridiot> try deleting the card inputs and try again
[06:19] <tgm4883> i already did that
[06:20] <tgm4883> im wondering if it has something to do with the firewire
[06:20] <majoridiot> no
[06:20] <majoridiot> that's a database error
[06:20] <tgm4883> do you get any confirmation when you fetch the channels?
[06:20] <majoridiot> kinda
[06:21] <tgm4883> ?
[06:21] <majoridiot> the start channel will change from 0 to the first channel in your channel profile
[06:21] <tgm4883> maybe thats my problem
[06:21] <tgm4883> let me try something
[06:32] <tgm4883> ok, i removed all my cards and video sources and then exited, didn't give me any errors that time. Now im back in and scanning for channels on my hd 5500
[06:33] <tgm4883> i think when i was changing stuff with the sources it screwed something up
[06:33] <majoridiot> that's usually how it happens to me
[06:33] <tgm4883> i think i just changed a source around instead of deleting it and creating a new one
[06:33] <majoridiot> some odd combinations of actions it doesn't like
[06:33] <tgm4883> but we will know for sure in about 5 minutes when its done scanning
[06:33] <majoridiot> 5 minutes to scan?
[06:34] <tgm4883> i did update and found that when i went into mythtv-setup it asked if I wanted to stop the backend
[06:34] <tgm4883> nice addition
[06:34] <tgm4883> well about 3 minutes
[06:34] <majoridiot> wasn't it tho?
[06:34] <tgm4883> i scan cable high qam 256
[06:35] <tgm4883> i would always forget to stop that when i needed to
[06:35] <majoridiot> why do you scan instead of adding them from the source?
[06:36] <majoridiot> yeah... it was a nag.  superm1 tossed that change in with the last batch.
[06:36] <tgm4883> i should just add them from source, but im trying something different with the listing and want to see if it works
[06:36] <majoridiot> ah
[06:37] <tgm4883> i set the 5500 lineup as broadcast and only the hd channels
[06:37] <tgm4883> even though it gets the channels over cable
[06:38] <tgm4883> looks good, no errors, running mythfilldatabase
[06:38] <tgm4883> on a plus note, I may be able to use the ir receiver on my hd 5500
[06:38] <majoridiot> with the firewire tuner added too?
[06:38] <majoridiot> that would be nice
[06:38] <tgm4883> yea
[06:39] <tgm4883> i was checking the forums and there was some work being done on it and they seemed to have a solution for at least some remotes at the beginning of the year
[06:39] <majoridiot> lirc-compatible?
[06:54] <tgm4883> not sure
[06:54] <tgm4883> http://www.pchdtv.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1529&highlight=receiver
[06:54] <tgm4883> thats the thread i read on it
[06:54] <tgm4883> im trying to find some more recent info though
[06:56] <tgm4883> it does look like they are saying it is lirc compatible via a patch
[07:02] <majoridiot> hm.  it does look doable... albeit hackish.
[07:03] <tgm4883> yea thats what i was thinking
[07:03] <tgm4883> but i figured i would get the stb up first
[07:03] <majoridiot> but hey, if that's what it takes until proper support comes along
[07:22] <majoridiot> tgm4883: firewire working?
[07:23] <tgm4883> not quite, im getting the myth_prime.c
[07:23] <tgm4883> although it may be having some trouble getting it
[07:23] <majoridiot> want it dcc?
[07:23] <majoridiot> compiled already?
[07:24] <tgm4883> that would be great, but then your gonna have to help me ssh it to the box
[07:24] <tgm4883> i'll just use gftp for that
[07:26] <majoridiot> port 0 node 1 right?
[07:26] <tgm4883> yea
[07:27] <majoridiot> k
[07:27] <majoridiot> that one will work then
[07:29] <tgm4883> hmm
[07:29] <tgm4883> sudo echo "" > /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log isn't working for me
[07:29] <tgm4883> i dont think i have ever been able to use a sudo echo on anything
[07:29] <tgm4883> always get permission denied
[07:30] <majoridiot> really?  that's ODD
[07:30] <tgm4883> yea
[07:30] <majoridiot> just with echo?
[07:30] <tgm4883> yea ive never really been able to use it
[07:31] <majoridiot> (that link is now fixed, ty)
[07:31] <tgm4883> i ran into this same problem when trying to adjust my cpu frequency
[07:31] <majoridiot> WEIRD
[07:31] <tgm4883> i know
[07:31] <majoridiot> well, if you are just wanting to clear the log for testing, rm it.
[07:31] <majoridiot> lol
[07:31] <tgm4883> I haven't checked it, but when i was working with my frequency, i couldn't open it in gedit either
[07:31] <majoridiot> wtf?
[07:32] <tgm4883> i know
[07:32] <majoridiot> that's really freakin odd, man.
[07:32] <tgm4883> but i could open it in vim
[07:32] <tgm4883> very weird
[07:32] <tgm4883> always tells me permission denied
[07:32] <tgm4883> even with the sudo
[07:33] <tgm4883> im like, im root dangit
[07:33] <majoridiot> it's protecting you from yourself
[07:33] <majoridiot> hehe
[07:33] <tgm4883> probably a good idea
[07:33] <tgm4883> ok i rm'ed it.  is it going to freak out if i dont recreate the file?
[07:34] <majoridiot> nope.
[07:34] <majoridiot> it'll make a new one.
[07:34] <tgm4883> ok
[07:35] <tgm4883> ok question about the guide (maybe i haven't waited long enough)
[07:36] <majoridiot> ?
[07:36] <tgm4883> sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start
[07:36] <majoridiot> wait for it...
[07:36] <tgm4883> that starts the server, but doesn't return me to a command prompt?
[07:36] <majoridiot> you made all the changes to it already? (the init script?)
[07:36] <tgm4883> yea
[07:37] <majoridiot> then wait for it
[07:37] <tgm4883> ok
[07:37] <majoridiot> it can take 15-20 secs sometimes if the connection is unstable
[07:37] <tgm4883> ah ok
[07:38] <majoridiot> :)
[07:38] <majoridiot> ...STARTED?
[07:38] <tgm4883> yep, now must restart
[07:38] <majoridiot> primed ok?
[07:38] <tgm4883> not sure yet
[07:49] (tgm4883/#ubuntu-mythtv) and im wondering if my gf watching channel 201 on the box when the mythtv thinks its supposed to be on 55 is causing a problem
[07:49] (majoridiot/#ubuntu-mythtv) um... YES
[07:49] (tgm4883/#ubuntu-mythtv) and thats the previewer file or something
[07:50] (majoridiot/#ubuntu-mythtv) one chan at a time only, dude
[07:50] (tgm4883/#ubuntu-mythtv) well of course its a problem
[07:50] (tgm4883/#ubuntu-mythtv) but is that what the error was ?
[07:50] (majoridiot/#ubuntu-mythtv) you can record on the stb and watch another channel over firewire, tho
[07:50] <tgm4883> i just didn't think about how it was already set to auto record
[07:50] <majoridiot> go into mythtv setup and see which of your tuners is set to start on 55
[07:51] <majoridiot> that is the one giving you the error
[07:51] <tgm4883> neither is set to start on 55 (firewire starts on 2, hdtv 5500 starts on 2_1)
[07:51] <tgm4883> but the hdtv 5500 only has like 8 channels
[07:52] <tgm4883> none of which are 55
[07:52] <majoridiot> ok
[07:52] <tgm4883> so its got to be the stb
[07:52] <majoridiot> stop the backend
[07:52] <majoridiot> delete the backend log
[07:52] <majoridiot> start the backend again
[07:52] <majoridiot> when it is started, DCC me the backend log
[07:53] <tgm4883> ok, im going to stop the "recording" too
[07:53] <tgm4883> or you want me to leave it going
[07:53] <majoridiot> "recording?"
[07:53] <tgm4883> the channel 55
[07:53] <majoridiot> just kill the backend
[07:53] <tgm4883> my backend status still thinks its recording
[07:53] <tgm4883> k
[07:54] <majoridiot> wait...
[07:54] <majoridiot> did you have channel 55 set to record something?
[07:54] <majoridiot> before you started this process?
[07:54] <tgm4883> not really, friends is set to auto record on any channel at any time as long as nothing is scheduled to record
[07:55] <tgm4883> and it is on until 11
[07:55] <majoridiot> man you gave my stb bad mojo or something... i had to cycle the power to get it to prime again
[07:55] <majoridiot> well, go in and cancel all recording for the next hor or so
[07:55] <majoridiot> hour
[07:55] <majoridiot> you don't want it to start grabbing onto tuners until you can test them
[07:57] <tgm4883> oh my bad
[07:58] <majoridiot> no... i just assumed
[07:58] <majoridiot> i get people and their various states of installation confused.  no biggy.
[07:59] <tgm4883> ok, were good for 8 hours
[07:59] <majoridiot> lol
[07:59] <majoridiot> k
[08:00] <majoridiot> stop the backend, delete the log, restart it and see what happend
[08:00] <majoridiot> happens
[08:01] <tgm4883> ok, startingt, wait until command prompt
[08:03] <tgm4883> how long should it take?
[08:03] <majoridiot> no more than 20 secs
[08:04] <majoridiot> 30 tops
[08:04] <tgm4883> hmm
[08:04] <majoridiot> it won't just hang
[08:04] <majoridiot> give it time to return
[08:04] <tgm4883> ok
[08:04] <majoridiot> that way the integrity of the log is preserved
[08:04] <majoridiot> we can see whaz up
[08:05] <tgm4883> its not doing this cause im doing all this through ssh is it?
[08:05] <majoridiot> no
[08:05] <majoridiot> that's how i do it
[08:05] <tgm4883> ok
[08:06] <majoridiot> you did chmod +x all of the scripts, right?
[08:06] <tgm4883> just wanted to check
[08:06] <tgm4883> no
[08:06] <majoridiot> and checked their permissions?
[08:06] <majoridiot> ls -l /usr/bin/myth_prime
[08:07] <majoridiot> ls -l /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend
[08:08] <tgm4883> root owns both
[08:08] <tgm4883> that would be my problem right
[08:08] <majoridiot> no
[08:08] <tgm4883> no?
[08:08] <majoridiot> but what are the full perms?
[08:08] <tgm4883> -rw------- for myth_prime
[08:08] <majoridiot> no.  the init script runs at root
[08:09] <majoridiot> sudo chmod +x /usr/bin/myth_prime
[08:09] <tgm4883> -rwxr-xr-x for mythtvbackend
[08:09] <tgm4883> ok
[08:10] <majoridiot> sudo chown mythtv:mythtv /usr/bin/mythtv
[08:10] <majoridiot> no
[08:10] <majoridiot> /usr/bin/myth_prime
[08:11] <majoridiot> once you do the chown
[08:11] <majoridiot> rm the log and restart the be
[08:11] <tgm4883> who owns /usr/bin/mythtv
[08:11] <tgm4883> i need to reset
[08:11] <tgm4883> it
[08:11] <majoridiot> no... hold on.
[08:11] <majoridiot> sorry
[08:11] <majoridiot> that was a typo.
[08:11] <tgm4883> the dummy here copied down exactly what you wrote even though i had read the correction
[08:11] <majoridiot> sudo chown mythtv:mythtv /usr/bin/myth_prime
[08:12] <tgm4883> ok did that, but accidently did that to /usr/bin/mythtv too, so i need to fix that
[08:12] <majoridiot> sec
[08:12] <tgm4883> unless that is supposed to be owned by mythtv
[08:13] <majoridiot> no... s/b root
[08:13] <majoridiot> change it back.  i'm sorry about that.
[08:13] <tgm4883> root:root
[08:13] <majoridiot> correct
[08:13] <tgm4883> done
[08:13] <tgm4883> kill backend, delete log and restart backend?
[08:13] <majoridiot> or jusr rm an restart
[08:14] <majoridiot> no need to stop.
[08:14] <tgm4883> do you still want the log?
[08:14] <majoridiot> see how quickly it restarts
[08:14] <majoridiot> yeah... go ahead and send it
[08:15] <tgm4883> is it possible to have multiple backends running?
[08:15] <tgm4883> on accident
[08:15] <tgm4883> on the same machine?
[08:15] <tgm4883> its still sitting at
[08:15] <tgm4883> 2007-04-19 23:14:43.793 Recording starts soon, AUTO-Startup assumed
[08:16] <tgm4883> i had to ctrl -c out of it last time
[08:16] <majoridiot> looks like there is still a recording set
[08:16] <majoridiot> sudi killall mythbackend
[08:16] <majoridiot> sudo
[08:17] <majoridiot> will kill 'em all... if there is more than one.
[08:17] <majoridiot> but there shouldn't be more than one instance running
[08:18] <tgm4883> hmm
[08:18] <tgm4883> sudo killall mythbackend
[08:18] <tgm4883> ran it twice
[08:18] <tgm4883> second time got no process killed
[08:18] <tgm4883> which is good
[08:18] <tgm4883> but then did
[08:19] <tgm4883> sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend startmythbackend already running, use restart instead.
[08:19] <tgm4883> thats two lines
[08:19] <tgm4883> tells me to use restart instead
[08:19] <majoridiot> ps -p `cat /var/run/mythtv/mythbackend.pid`
[08:20] <majoridiot> will tell you if it is running
[08:20] <tgm4883> nope not running
[08:20] <tgm4883> so i will use restart then?
[08:20] <majoridiot> start
[08:20] <tgm4883> doesn't work
[08:20] <tgm4883> thomas@athena:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start
[08:20] <tgm4883> mythbackend already running, use restart instead.
[08:21] <majoridiot> sudo reboot
[08:21] <majoridiot> seriously
[08:21] <tgm4883> sounds good
[08:21] <majoridiot> let it come back up, ssh in and look at the log
[08:21] <majoridiot> i've had that happen before, btw
[08:21] <majoridiot> no idea why
[08:23] <tgm4883> ok were back up
[08:23] <majoridiot> ps -p `cat /var/run/mythtv/mythbackend.pid`
[08:23] <tgm4883> up and running
[08:24] <tgm4883> 1 instance
[08:24] <majoridiot> vg
[08:24] <majoridiot> what does the log say?
[08:25] <tgm4883> uh oh
[08:26] <tgm4883> 2007-04-19 23:00:49     firewire ownership acquired
[08:26] <tgm4883> 2007-04-19 23:00:49     priming firewire...
[08:26] <tgm4883> 2007-04-19 23:00:49     BAD ERROR RETURNED? -- FIXME!!
[08:26] <tgm4883> 2007-04-19 23:14:34     firewire ownership acquired
[08:26] <tgm4883> 2007-04-19 23:14:34     priming firewire...
[08:26] <tgm4883> 2007-04-19 23:14:34     BAD ERROR RETURNED? -- FIXME!!
[08:26] <tgm4883> 2007-04-19 23:21:19     firewire ownership released
[08:26] <tgm4883> 2007-04-19 23:22:20     firewire ownership acquired
[08:26] <tgm4883> 2007-04-19 23:22:20     priming firewire...
[08:26] <tgm4883> 2007-04-19 23:22:20     BAD ERROR RETURNED? -- FIXME!!
[08:26] <majoridiot> hm.  that's not right on a number of levels.
[08:27] <majoridiot> first, plugreport to be it's still on node 1
[08:27] <majoridiot> (it should be)
[08:27] <tgm4883> ?
[08:27] <tgm4883> nope
[08:27] <tgm4883> node 0
[08:27] <tgm4883> weird
[08:28] <tgm4883> it was adapter 0 node 1
[08:28] <majoridiot> port 0 node 0?
[08:28] <tgm4883> now its adapter 0 node 0
[08:28] <majoridiot> hm.
[08:28] <majoridiot> ok...
[08:29] <majoridiot> sudo reboot
[08:29] <majoridiot> and see if it jumps nodes again
[08:29] <tgm4883> rebooting
[08:29] <majoridiot> in my experience...
[08:30] <majoridiot> it only jumps nodes if you plug/unplug the firewire with both the computer and stb powered on
[08:30] <tgm4883> im wondering if it says recording starts soon because in 6 minutes jay leno is supposed to start recording, I canceled it from mythweb, but its still on there (even though it says its not going to record it
[08:30] <majoridiot> that would be it
[08:30] <tgm4883> node 0 again
[08:31] <majoridiot> yup/  what i thought.
[08:31] <majoridiot> ok...
[08:31] <majoridiot> sudo shutdown -h -P now
[08:31] <majoridiot> then...
[08:31] <majoridiot> go unplug the power from your DVR for 20-30 secs
[08:31] <majoridiot> power it back up
[08:32] <tgm4883> from the stb or from the mythtv box
[08:32] <tgm4883> my 6200 isn't a dvr
[08:32] <majoridiot> then power the backend back up
[08:32] <majoridiot> from the stb
[08:32] <majoridiot> which 6200 is it?
[08:32] <tgm4883> motorola 6200
[08:33] <tgm4883> is there extra info for it?
[08:33] <majoridiot> yeah... it's a dvr, dude.
[08:33] <tgm4883> hmm
[08:33] <tgm4883> not supposed to be paying for a dvr
[08:34] <majoridiot> standard in a lot of places these days
[08:34] <majoridiot> cheap HD
[08:34] <majoridiot> it could possibly be a dual-tuner
[08:34] <tgm4883> ok, do you want me to plug the dvr back in before i start mythtv box
[08:34] <majoridiot> mine is
[08:34] <majoridiot> yes
[08:34] <majoridiot> plug in the stb...
[08:34] <majoridiot> and let it completely power back up...
[08:34] <majoridiot> could take 30 secs or more...
[08:35] <majoridiot> and then tune it to a good channel
[08:35] <majoridiot> and power the backend back up
[08:35] <majoridiot> (it should be on node 1 then)
[08:37] <tgm4883> node 1
[08:37] <tgm4883> why does it do that
[08:37] <majoridiot> dunno
[08:37] <majoridiot> but remember that's how to fix it
[08:38] <tgm4883> ok
[08:38] <majoridiot> btw... i guess there is a 6200 non-dvr, sory
[08:38] <majoridiot> when it's back up, check the log... it should have primed ok
[08:38] <tgm4883> thats cool, thats why i got a mythtv
[08:39] <majoridiot> i've got a 6212-III, apparently
[08:39] <majoridiot> go figure.
[08:40] <tgm4883> same
[08:40] <tgm4883> still error
[08:40] <majoridiot> same error?
[08:40] <tgm4883> yea
[08:40] <majoridiot> and it's on node one?
[08:40] <tgm4883> i even rm the log stoped and restarted the backend
[08:41] <tgm4883> node 1
[08:41] <majoridiot> k
[08:41] <majoridiot> is the channel you have firewire set to start on a "clear" channel?
[08:41] <tgm4883> hmm
[08:41] <majoridiot> no %c no CCI?
[08:42] <majoridiot> 5c
[08:42] <tgm4883> channel 2 abc
[08:42] <tgm4883> i will check it thoug
[08:42] <majoridiot> should be clear
[08:43] <tgm4883> clear
[08:43] <tgm4883> hm
[08:43] <majoridiot> stop the backend, rm the log, start it and post the log when it restarts
[08:43] <majoridiot> post pm if it's too long
[08:44] <tgm4883> out of curiosity i tried to watch tv on mythtv.  started with the hdtv 5500, i hit y to switch tuners.  I didn't get any picture, but the stb did switch to channel 55 which is weird since it is supposed to start on channel 2.  Dont know if this helps
[08:44] <tgm4883> ill go do that
[08:45] <majoridiot> aha
[08:45] <majoridiot> that makes a big difference
[08:45] <majoridiot> while the backend is down, run mythtv setup and double check the start channel for fw
[08:46] <majoridiot> it changed the channel, so you are getting a good connection
[08:47] <majoridiot> once it is primed, you'll get a good stream
[08:47] <tgm4883> It WAS on channel 2, now its supposed to start on channel 55
[08:47] <tgm4883> weird
[08:47] <majoridiot> is 55 clear?
[08:48] <tgm4883> yes
[08:48] <majoridiot> you installed firewire_tester?
[08:48] <tgm4883> yes
[08:48] <majoridiot> ./firewire_tester -B -n 1
[08:49] <tgm4883> :(
[08:49] <majoridiot> again
[08:49] <tgm4883> Failed to create new raw1394 handle on port 0
[08:49] <majoridiot> yes, it would
[08:49] <majoridiot> sudo
[08:49] <tgm4883> arg hold on
[08:49] <majoridiot> (the backend is stopped, root owns fw)
[08:49] <tgm4883> i need to turn the stb on again
[08:49] <majoridiot> on again?
[08:50] <tgm4883> yea i just checked to see if 55 was clear
[08:50] <majoridiot> ah
[08:50] <tgm4883> was still in the diag screen
[08:50] <tgm4883> Action: Attempt to fix broadcast connection 1 times, node 1
[08:50] <tgm4883> Broadcast: Testing...Success, 144 packets
[08:50] <tgm4883> Broadcast: Testing...Success, 86 packets
[08:50] <tgm4883> Broadcast: Testing...Success, 156 packets
[08:50] <tgm4883> Broadcast: Testing...Success, 75 packets
[08:50] <tgm4883> Broadcast: Testing...Success, 86 packets
[08:50] <tgm4883> Broadcast Fix: Success (already stable)
[08:50] <majoridiot> k
[08:50] <majoridiot> start the backend
[08:51] <tgm4883> sitting at
[08:51] <tgm4883> 2007-04-19 23:50:56.417 Recording starts soon, AUTO-Startup assumed
[08:51] <majoridiot> start the frontent
[08:51] <majoridiot> try to switch to fw
[08:53] <tgm4883> !@?!??? I get picture
[08:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about i get picture - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:53] <tgm4883> lol
[08:53] <majoridiot> so it's all good?
[08:54] <tgm4883> i guess so
[08:54] <tgm4883> let me check the logs again
[08:54] <majoridiot> yes do
[08:54] <majoridiot> it concerns me that it was taking ownership so often
[08:54] <tgm4883> hmm same error FIXME
[08:55] <tgm4883> let me rm the log, reboot, try to watch firewire and then check the log
[08:55] <majoridiot> don't rm it
[08:55] <tgm4883> ok
[08:55] <majoridiot> you can track it by time.  preserve it so you can see any changes.
[08:58] <tgm4883> :(
[08:58] <majoridiot> k
[08:58] <tgm4883> switched back to node 0
[08:58] <majoridiot> on a reboot?
[08:58] <tgm4883> yea
[08:58] <majoridiot> hm.
[08:59] <tgm4883> does it switch the other direction?  cause i could always plug it into the other plug on the back of my mythtv box
[08:59] <majoridiot> ./firewire_tester -R
[08:59] <majoridiot> and then check the node
[08:59] <tgm4883> still 0
[09:00] <majoridiot> and the stb is still on?
[09:00] <tgm4883> yea
[09:00] <majoridiot> hm
[09:01] <majoridiot> thaz new.
[09:01] <majoridiot> ok
[09:02] <majoridiot> sudo shutdown -h -P now
[09:02] <tgm4883> ok
[09:03] <majoridiot> it'll be on node one when you power it up
[09:03] <majoridiot> lesson: do not reboot
[09:03] <tgm4883> unplug the stb or not
[09:03] <majoridiot> no
[09:03] <tgm4883> ok
[09:03] <majoridiot> just power the backend back up
[09:03] <majoridiot> see if it's on node 1
[09:04] <tgm4883> node 1
[09:04] <majoridiot> :)
[09:04] <tgm4883> no more reboots
[09:04] <majoridiot> right
[09:04] <majoridiot> power down insteah
[09:04] <majoridiot> d
[09:05] <tgm4883> yep
[09:05] <majoridiot> it that in another room?
[09:05] <majoridiot> is
[09:05] <tgm4883> the backend?
[09:05] <majoridiot> yes
[09:06] <tgm4883> nope sitting in front of it
[09:06] <tgm4883> backend/fronend combined
[09:06] <tgm4883> no desktop though
[09:06] <majoridiot> ah
[09:06] <tgm4883> logs still say fixme
[09:06] <majoridiot> ok
[09:06] <majoridiot> delete the myth_prime i sent you
[09:06] <tgm4883> ok
[09:06] <majoridiot> download the source and compile it
[09:07] <majoridiot> chmod +x it
[09:07] <majoridiot> chowen it to mythtv, name it myth_prime and stick it in /usr/bin/
[09:07] <majoridiot> chown
[09:10] <tgm4883> now the chmod +x is that in the guide?
[09:10] <majoridiot> all of it is
[09:11] <tgm4883> ehh
[09:11] <tgm4883> oh i see it now
[09:20] <tgm4883> :(
[09:21] <majoridiot> ?
[09:21] <tgm4883> well im getting nothing in my logs now
[09:21] <majoridiot> nothing at all?
[09:21] <tgm4883> nothing new
[09:22] <tgm4883> just old logs
[09:22] <majoridiot> clear it and restart
[09:22] <tgm4883> in process
[09:22] <tgm4883> restart backend?
[09:23] <majoridiot> yup
[09:23] <majoridiot> sorry... tired and lazy
[09:26] <tgm4883> 2007-04-20 00:24:57     firewire ownership acquired
[09:26] <tgm4883> 2007-04-20 00:24:57     priming firewire...
[09:26] <tgm4883> 2007-04-20 00:24:57     FAILED! unable to prime firewire
[09:26] <majoridiot> ah good
[09:26] <majoridiot> sensible error
[09:26] <majoridiot> is the stb still on 55?
[09:26] <tgm4883> something we can work with
[09:26] <majoridiot> zactly
[09:26] <tgm4883> no
[09:26] <tgm4883> its on 2
[09:27] <tgm4883> should i try to watch tv and see if it changes to either 2 or 55
[09:27] <majoridiot> it will change to the last channel it was on.... so 55
[09:27] <majoridiot> ./firewire_tester -B -n 1
[09:28] <majoridiot> see if you can get it to manually prime on ch2
[09:28] <tgm4883> i changed it in mythtv setup to start on ch 2
[09:28] <majoridiot> see if you can get it to manually prime on ch2
[09:29] <tgm4883> Action: Attempt to fix broadcast connection 1 times, node 1
[09:29] <tgm4883> Broadcast: Testing...Failed
[09:29] <tgm4883> P2P: Testing...Failed
[09:29] <tgm4883> P2P: Testing...Failed
[09:29] <tgm4883> P2P: Testing...Failed
[09:29] <tgm4883> P2P: Testing...Failed
[09:29] <tgm4883> P2P: Testing...Failed
[09:29] <tgm4883> P2P: Testing...Failed
[09:29] <tgm4883> P2P: Testing...Failed
[09:29] <tgm4883> P2P: Testing...Failed
[09:29] <tgm4883> P2P: Testing...Failed
[09:29] <tgm4883> P2P: Testing...Failed
[09:29] <tgm4883> Broadcast Fix: Failed
[09:29] <tgm4883> i broke something
[09:29] <majoridiot> not necessarily
[09:30] <majoridiot> tune the stb to ch 55
[09:30] <tgm4883> ok
[09:30] <majoridiot> and try to manually prime it again
[09:30] <tgm4883> same
[09:30] <tgm4883> when you say manually prime
[09:30] <majoridiot> ./firewire_tester -B -n 1
[09:30] <tgm4883> ok
[09:31] <tgm4883> thats what i did
[09:31] <majoridiot> ./firewire_tester -B -n 1 -r 5
[09:32] <tgm4883> all failed
[09:32] <majoridiot> ./firewire_tester -R
[09:32] <majoridiot> and then
[09:32] <majoridiot> ./firewire_tester -B -n 1 -r 5
[09:32] <majoridiot> again
[09:33] <tgm4883> all failed
[09:33] <majoridiot> hm
[09:33] <majoridiot> cycle the power on the stb -- power button
[09:33] <majoridiot> don't unplug
[09:34] <majoridiot> then tune it to 2 or 55
[09:34] <majoridiot> and try to prime again
[09:34] <majoridiot> (this can be tricky, obviously)
[09:34] <majoridiot> (but once you get it worked out, it's all good)
[09:35] <tgm4883> all failed
[09:36] <majoridiot> odd.
[09:37] <majoridiot> sudo ./firewire_tester -p -P 0 -n 1 -r 5
[09:37] <majoridiot> see if you can get some p2p data
[09:38] <majoridiot> no need to sudo, even
[09:38] <tgm4883> Faild
[09:38] <majoridiot> all 5?
[09:38] <tgm4883> yes
[09:39] <majoridiot> paste the *active* node of plugreport
[09:39] <tgm4883> thomas@athena:~$ plugreport
[09:39] <tgm4883> Host Adapter 0
[09:39] <tgm4883> [09:39] <tgm4883> Node 0 GUID 0x0030dd80000501c7
[09:39] <tgm4883> ------------------------------
[09:39] <tgm4883> libiec61883 error: error reading oMPR
[09:39] <tgm4883> libiec61883 error: error reading iMPR
[09:39] <tgm4883> Node 1 GUID 0x0019a6fffef0ee94
[09:40] <tgm4883> ------------------------------
[09:40] <tgm4883> oMPR n_plugs=1, data_rate=2, bcast_channel=63
[09:40] <tgm4883> oPCR[0]  online=1, bcast_connection=0, n_p2p_connections=0
[09:40] <tgm4883>         channel=1, data_rate=1, overhead_id=0, payload=376
[09:40] <tgm4883> iMPR n_plugs=0, data_rate=2
[09:40] <tgm4883> oh sorry, thats the whole thing
[09:40] <majoridiot> hm
[09:41] <majoridiot>  channel=1
[09:41] <majoridiot> sb 62
[09:41] <majoridiot> hm
[09:43] <majoridiot> ok...
[09:43] <majoridiot> let's try...
[09:44] <majoridiot> plugctl -P 0 -n 1 oPCR[0] .channel=62
[09:44] <majoridiot> then do a plugreport and see if the channel entry changed
[09:44] <tgm4883> nothing
[09:44] <tgm4883> oh
[09:45] <tgm4883> yes
[09:45] <tgm4883> channel 62
[09:45] <majoridiot> :)
[09:45] <majoridiot> try and prime it
[09:46] <tgm4883> all failed
[09:46] <majoridiot> broadcast or p2p?
[09:47] <tgm4883> sudo ./firewire_tester -p -P 0 -n 1 -r 5
[09:47] <tgm4883> ./firewire_tester -B -n 1
[09:47] <tgm4883> i ran both of those
[09:47] <majoridiot> and nothing?
[09:47] <majoridiot> hm.
[09:47] <tgm4883> all failed
[09:48] <majoridiot> well, i gotta be up in 4.5 hours, so i'm calling it
[09:48] <tgm4883> sounds good
[09:48] <majoridiot> we know it will work... you got a picture
[09:48] <tgm4883> yea
[09:49] <tgm4883> it just needs a little time to itself
[09:49] <majoridiot> i'll be around tomorrow afternoon and evening if you want to keep at it
[09:49] <tgm4883> ill try a couple things and let you know where im at
[09:49] <tgm4883> hopefully it will work by then
[09:49] <majoridiot> sugestions:
[09:50] <majoridiot> power down backend and unplug the stb power for 5 minutes or so.  then plug it back in.
[09:50] <majoridiot> once it's working, fire up the backend and go from there
[09:50] <tgm4883> ok
[09:50] <majoridiot> cool
[09:50] <majoridiot> good luck :)
[09:50] <tgm4883> goodnight
[09:50] <majoridiot> nite
[09:50] <tgm4883> thanks for the help
[09:51] <majoridiot> np  glad to help
[05:20] <tgm4883> is there a way to save your scheduling lineup if i was going to do a reinstall
[05:20] <superm1> you can backup your whole mysql db
[05:20] <tgm4883> ehh, dont know if i want to do that
[05:21] <tgm4883> im having all sorts of problems getting this stb to work, and some of the problems were when i removed my pvr150
[05:21] <superm1> well word of warning -
[05:22] <superm1> a whole reinstall of the system probably isnt "necessary"
[05:22] <tgm4883> ok
[05:22] <superm1> all packages and conf files can just be purged
[05:22] <superm1> if you wanted to redo mythtv setup or anythign like that
[05:22] <superm1> and if problems related to choosing tuners are the only problem, the tuner list can be blown away in mythtv-setup
[05:22] <tgm4883> that would also remove the mysql database
[05:22] <tgm4883> i think i fixed the tuner problem
[05:23] <tgm4883> but its the stb that is really giving me a headache, (and majoridiot too)
[05:23] <superm1> i saw some chatter in here yesterday about it
[05:23] <tgm4883> it went on for hours and it seems that we have actually regressed in the problemm
[05:24] <tgm4883> everything fails when i test the firewire now
[05:24] <superm1> you sure its not your cable co changing setting around im assuming?
[05:25] <superm1> changing CCI flag or 5C
[05:25] <superm1> ?
[05:25] <tgm4883> unless they did it last night.  I got the stb yesterday with my upgraded cable.  started through the guide and it was unencrypted and everything
[05:31] <tgm4883> at the end of the night, still unencrypted, but no go on the firewire testing
[05:31] <superm1> thats a shame :(
[05:31] <tgm4883> we did get a picture once, but backend log was complaining
[05:31] <superm1> what was it saying?
[05:31] <tgm4883> so we tried to fix it and thats when we no longer get anything passing the firewire tests
[05:31] <tgm4883> 2007-04-19 23:31:42     firewire ownership released
[05:31] <tgm4883> 2007-04-19 23:36:28     firewire ownership acquired
[05:31] <tgm4883> 2007-04-19 23:36:28     priming firewire...
[05:31] <tgm4883> 2007-04-19 23:36:28     BAD ERROR RETURNED? -- FIXME!!
[05:31] <tgm4883> it would do this a couple times
[05:31] <tgm4883> it also seemed to hang the starting of the backend
[05:31] <superm1> have you been able to do captures at all outside of the backend?
[05:31] <tgm4883> hmm
[05:31] <tgm4883> havent tried as its a frontend/backend only
[05:31] <superm1> I seem to recall back when I was doing firewire experimentation, it was possible to capture without the use of mythtv-backend in order to alleviate that as a cause of troubles
[05:31] <superm1> but then again that was before all of this priming stuff was introduced
[05:32] <tgm4883> majoridiot said he would be on again this afternoon or evening if i wanted to continue trying to fix this, but im wondering if i should wipe the whole thing and try the guides from a clean slate first, rather than from a preexisting install
[05:33] <tgm4883> and while ive been told its fine (and ive ran the updates)  installing feisty from release rather than beta may be better
[05:33] <superm1> well like i said - wiping the whole box most likely won't solve everything.  thats the "Windows" solution to problems.
[05:33] <tgm4883> or maybe thats my fedora days of thinking
[05:33] <superm1> Well you can do this -
[05:33] <superm1> backup your db in mysql
[05:33] <superm1> remove mysql
[05:33] <superm1> reinstall it
[05:34] <superm1> remove mythtv-database and reinstall it
[05:34] <superm1> and then you have your clean slate
[05:34] <superm1> with regard to mythtv and configuration stuff
[05:34] <tgm4883> what about..
[05:35] <tgm4883> hold on let me find it
[05:36] <tgm4883> mythtv-backend and the other files i have to edit in the firewire guide
[05:36] <tgm4883> will those be reset to
[05:36] <superm1> to reset those - just purge the mythtv packages too
[05:36] <tgm4883> ok
[05:36] <superm1> and then when you reinstall them, new files will be installed
[05:36] <superm1> just make sure you do "apt-get remove --purge"
[05:36] <superm1> just make sure you do "apt-get remove --purge PACKAGENAME"
[05:36] <superm1> better yet ^
[05:37] <tgm4883> ok
[05:37] <tgm4883> does sound better than a reinstall
[05:37] <superm1> much less time consuming
[05:37] <superm1> i'll admit its weird to adjust to an approach to fixing problems this way, because there is a certain redeeming quality about coming from a full "reinstall"
[05:37] <tgm4883> i just remember back when on fedora everyone was like "you HAVE to reinstall if going from a testing to production release
[05:38] <superm1> lol
[05:38] <tgm4883> those fedora people got no idea, they should switch to ubuntu :)
[05:38] <superm1> haha
[05:39] <tgm4883> there main excuse for it was all the logging that was turned on for the different test releases, that if you just upgraded then the logging would still be on
[05:39] <superm1> afaik, there is nothing like that in Ubuntu
[05:40] <tgm4883> sweet
[05:40] <superm1> as long as you follow the updates regularly, you should have the same end result if you were to put feisty repos in /etc/apt/sources.list rathre than edgy on edgy release day and then compared that to a fresh feisty install at feisty release day
[05:41] <tgm4883> sweet, now i dont have to reinstall my laptop
[05:42] <superm1> my laptop was upgraded from breezy->dapper->edgy->feisty
[05:42] <superm1> until the hard drive died a month a go
[05:42] <superm1> and then it was a herd5 install of feisty
[05:42] <superm1> on the new hd
[05:42] <tgm4883> nice
[05:42] <tgm4883> my upgrade path is less impressive on my desktop
[05:43] <superm1> haha
[05:43] <superm1> well it would have been hoary->breezy->dapper->edgy->feisty, but i installed a feisty alpha release during hoary times
[05:44] <tgm4883> XP>fedora 5>XP>fedora 6>dapper>fedora 6>edgy>fedora 7>edgy>feisty 64>feisty>edgy 64> feisty 64
[05:44] <tgm4883> theres a vista in there somewhere, but it didn't last long
[05:44] <superm1> wow
[05:44] <superm1> thats quite a lot of reinstalls
[05:44] <tgm4883> i have operating system reinstall disorder
[05:45] <tgm4883> im itching to reinstall my server
[05:45] <tgm4883> but i wont
[05:45] <tgm4883> but i might
[05:45] <tgm4883> its running edgy and it has some speed issues i think
[05:45] <tgm4883> with samba
[05:46] <tgm4883> but since all my systems run linux now i can dump the samba
[05:46] <superm1> control yourself - just remind yourself that it can be solved in a more linear path wihtout a whole reinstall
[05:46] <superm1> just use nfs instead
[05:46] <tgm4883> i wonder if there are therapists that specialize in this sort of addiction
[05:47] <tgm4883> im going to try nfs and dump samba
[05:47] <superm1> there is only one time in the last year that i was considering a full reinstall
[05:47] <tgm4883> the transfer speed was way to slow
[05:47] <superm1> compiz was just introduced
[05:48] <superm1> and it didnt work with xgl on my laptop
[05:48] <superm1> and i couldnt figure out why
[05:48] <superm1> i had reinstalled soooo many packages
[05:48] <superm1> it ended up being an undocumented conf file that was installed to /etc
[05:48] <tgm4883> :( did you have to reinstall?
[05:48] <superm1> thankfully no
[05:48] <tgm4883> ah
[05:48] <superm1> that was when i ack'ed that every problem can be solved without a full reinstall
[05:49] <tgm4883> lol
[05:49] <tgm4883> but you fixed it without the reinstall, so the myth continues
[05:49] <tgm4883> *cue scary music
[05:49] <superm1> haha
[05:50] <tgm4883> dang it
[05:50] <tgm4883> i think i just figured it out
[05:50] <superm1> what was it?
[05:50] <tgm4883> well first
[05:51] <tgm4883> can you get a list of what was last updated?  though the command line
[05:51] <tgm4883> i dont think i have synaptic installed
[05:51] <superm1> like in a directory?
[05:51] <superm1> which file was
[05:51] <superm1> or you mean on a whole file system
[05:51] <tgm4883> i just want to see if the kernel or something got updated in the last apt-get upgrade
[05:52] <superm1> oh you want to see packages that were recently upgraded
[05:52] <tgm4883> yea
[05:52] <superm1> there is a way...;.
[05:52] <superm1> i'll brb i have to go to my next class
[05:59] <tgm4883> thats awesome
[05:59] <superm1> tgm4883, /var/log/dpkg.log
[06:00] <tgm4883> what class is this
[06:00] <superm1> oh just an english class
[06:00] <superm1> nothing special :)
[06:00] <tgm4883> lol
[06:06] <tgm4883> nope, problem not fixed
[06:06] <tgm4883> i thought that maybe, just maybe i had updated something and that broke firewire_tester
[06:06] <tgm4883> but i just recompiled and nothing
[06:08] <superm1> i'm assuming you've already power cycled the stb?
[06:08] <superm1> from a cold boot (on the stb) with the firewire unplugged
[06:24] <tgm4883> ive unplugged the stb for about a minute and plugged it in, but havent booted it without the firewire cable attached since i started this procedure
[06:24] <superm1> i know i had some really funky stuff go on way back when
[06:24] <superm1> when the cable co pushed an update to the box
[06:25] <tgm4883> hey its worth a shot
[06:25] <tgm4883> im gonna unplug it for 5 minutes
[06:25] <superm1> yes
[06:26] <tgm4883> now i have been told to under no circumstances unplug or plug in the firewire cable with the mythtv box on, but if the stb isn't even plugged in?
[06:26] <superm1> well the reason for that is so that it doesnt switch port numbers
[06:26] <superm1> according to plugreport
[06:26] <tgm4883> ah
[06:26] <tgm4883> mine switches nodes every time i reboot the mythtv box
[06:27] <tgm4883> its was a fun little game we were playing
[06:27] <superm1> lol
[06:27] <tgm4883> yea
[06:27] <tgm4883> so now we always shutdown, never reboot
[06:27] <superm1> its always annoying when the cable company pushes an update that actually resets the cable box
[06:28] <superm1> and then sometiems you will randomly have the node change then too
[06:28] <superm1> i wish there was a way to guarantee the node
[06:28] <tgm4883> yea
[06:28] <tgm4883> i had thought that the nodes were due to the ports on my firewire card, 1 is node 1, the other is node 0
[06:30] <tgm4883> oh i get it now
[06:30] <tgm4883> cause you can daisychain them, thats where the nodes come from
[06:30] <superm1> yes
[06:31] <tgm4883> that makes sense now
[06:31] <tgm4883> i was so confused last night
[06:32] <superm1> well when i move in a few weeks, i might do firewire again.  so i might be in the same boat as you folks
[06:32] <superm1> we'll see
[06:33] <tgm4883> where you from
[06:34] <superm1> i'm living in IA right now
[06:35] <superm1> but i'll be moving up to MN for the summer
[06:35] <tgm4883> i turned both off, which should i boot first
[06:35] <tgm4883> ah
[06:35] <tgm4883> im way west in oregon
[06:37] <superm1> oh really?
[06:37] <superm1> near keescook then
[06:37] <tgm4883> i guess so
[06:37] <tgm4883> wheres keescook at?
[06:37] <superm1> brb next class
[06:46] <superm1> tgm4883, are you coming to Ubuntu Live?
[06:46] <superm1> its in portland
[06:46] <superm1> this july
[06:46] <tgm4883> :shrugs:
[06:46] <tgm4883> never thought about it
[06:46] <tgm4883> it is just an hour up the road
[06:47] <tgm4883> ugh, im breaking all sorts of things now
[06:48] <tgm4883> i went to the ubuntu website to look up ubuntu live and got this
[06:48] <tgm4883> Unable to connect to database server
[06:48] <superm1> http://www.ubuntulive.com/
[06:48] <superm1> (more direct)
[06:48] <tgm4883> thanks, but if i click on it i might break that too
[06:49] <tgm4883> lol
[06:49] <superm1> haha
[06:49] <superm1> i'm thinking of road tripping it up that way for the weekend that it is
[06:54] <tgm4883> i'll have to see what my schedule is like, june - about mid august get busy for me
[06:56] <superm1> ah
[06:56] <superm1> well i wanted to speak at it, there is a session for "MythTV on Ubuntu"
[06:56] <superm1> that someone registered
[06:57] <superm1> so if I can talk (read they pay for my admission), i'll come up that way.  otherwise, it'd be a lot less likely
[06:57] <tgm4883> dont know what happened, but im getting all success now, even though right after i restarted i was still getting all failed
[06:57] <tgm4883> sweet
[06:57] <superm1> lol its all working now?
[06:57] <superm1> firewire and all
[06:57] <tgm4883> yea i noticed its pretty steep, for me anyway
[06:57] <tgm4883> well, the firewire testing is working
[06:57] <tgm4883> i havent checked the other things yet
[06:58] <superm1> so you think the power cycling the stb without firewire plugged in might have done it?
[06:58] <tgm4883> yea i think so, i didn't do anything else to it.  right after i did that it still didn't work, but now it works, so maybe it needed a little time
[06:59] <tgm4883> im going to check the logs
[06:59] <superm1> who is your cable provider up that way?
[06:59] <tgm4883> comcast
[06:59] <superm1> ah okay
[06:59] <superm1> hence why all the openness with firewire lately
[07:00] <tgm4883> ?
[07:01] <superm1> they recently pulled the 5C off nation wide
[07:01] <superm1> from what i heard
[07:01] <tgm4883> ah
[07:01] <tgm4883> perfect time for me to upgrade my cable then
[07:01] <tgm4883> :)
[07:01] <superm1> yes, yes it was
[07:02] <superm1> the 3 cable co's i've dealt with all had different stances
[07:02] <superm1> i had Time Warner  in NC - and i could capture a few HD stations, but no analog or digitial over firewire
[07:02] <superm1> it was really weird too, like i couldnt do discovery HD, but i could do TNT HD
[07:02] <superm1> and all locals
[07:03] <superm1> over here in IA, everything but local HD is blocked on firewire
[07:03] <superm1> and in MN last year, i had everything avail over firewire until july.  then they only let out a few selective digitals and local HDs
[07:03] <superm1> and claimed that it was the content providers doing it
[07:03] <superm1> not them
[07:04] <tgm4883> hmm
[07:05] <tgm4883> thats one of the reasons i upgraded, was the discovery HD
[07:05] <tgm4883> couldn't get it with my regular package even though i got the discovery channel.  im starting to guess that they aren't the same
[07:05] <superm1> its usually in a HD tier
[07:05] <superm1> or something like that
[07:06] <tgm4883> something is still going fishy with my mythtv
[07:06] <superm1> thats how it is with Charter and Mediacom (but not Time Warner)
[07:07] <tgm4883> the good news is that my error has changed
[07:08] <superm1> what is it now?
[07:08] <tgm4883> 2007-04-20 10:03:52     firewire ownership acquired
[07:08] <tgm4883> 2007-04-20 10:03:52     priming firewire...
[07:08] <tgm4883> 2007-04-20 10:03:52     FAILED! unable to prime firewire
[07:08] <tgm4883> but i think that it thinks there is live tv on
[07:08] <superm1> what does priming the firewire actualy do?
[07:08] <tgm4883> i just restarted the backend (the frontend isn't even running)
[07:08] <tgm4883> :shrugs:
[07:08] <tgm4883> i just do what im told
[07:09] <jono> hows the ubuntu mythtv team going folks?
[07:09] <superm1> hi jono
[07:09] <superm1> good good
[07:09] <jono> I am considering upgrading my myth box to feisty
[07:09] <jono> is the current myth packages for it?
[07:09] <superm1> we got a bunch of things in just in time for feisty
[07:09] <tgm4883> and majoridiot thinks that is a better error than the first one
[07:09] <superm1> jono, and have several plans for gutsy already
[07:09] <superm1> jono, what is it right now, edgy?
[07:10] <jono> superm1: cool :)
[07:10] <jono> no its breezy believe it or not :P
[07:10] <superm1> oh wow...
[07:10] <superm1> thats a long upgrade path then
[07:10] <superm1> you have to go breezy->dapper->edgy->feisty afaik
[07:10] <superm1> or clean install to get there
[07:11] <jono> I am not gonna upgrade
[07:11] <jono> clean install all the way
[07:11] <jono> so can I install myth from packages with feisty and have a working system?
[07:11] <superm1> ah good plan
[07:11] <superm1> you should be able to :)
[07:11] <jono> cool :)
[07:11] <jono> I might do that tonight then :)
[07:12] <superm1> http://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[07:12] <superm1> will tell you a wealth of info about the packages
[07:12] <superm1> and everything involved with setting things up
[07:12] <jono> cool
[07:12] <superm1> and extra stuff you can do afterwords
[07:12] <jono> is ivtv packaged?
[07:12] <superm1> yes
[07:12] <tgm4883> its awesome
[07:12] <superm1> no need to install packages, we got it with the kernel
[07:12] <jono> I have a dvb card and a ivtv board
[07:12] <jono> oh ivtv is kernel?
[07:13] <superm1> well not upstream kernel
[07:13] <superm1> but I contacted Hauppauge and we got the ball rolling on licensing
[07:13] <tgm4883> my pvr-150 and pcHDTV 5500 worked almost completely out of box
[07:13] <superm1> and now we ship it with the kernel image
[07:13] <superm1> and the firmware too
[07:13] <jono> I have a pvr-350 and terra nova
[07:13] <tgm4883> feisty rocks
[07:13] <jono> nova t
[07:14] <tgm4883> not sure about how the nova works
[07:14] <superm1> jono, the only hickup with the nova, is that you might need to modprobe cx88_dvb
[07:14] <tgm4883> ah
[07:14] <superm1> and all it /etc/modules
[07:14] <jono> right
[07:14] <tgm4883> i had to modprobe that for my 5500
[07:14] <jono> which version of myth is packaged for feisty?
[07:14] <superm1> the autoloading for a bunch of dvb cards (and cards using dvb drivers broke)
[07:14] <tgm4883> exact same module
[07:14] <superm1> 0.20
[07:14] <jono> latest?
[07:14] <superm1> well 0.20-fixes
[07:14] <superm1> its a checkout from the fixes branch from earlier this year
[07:15] <jono> what is the fixes branch?
[07:15] <superm1> well important fixes that are on trunk, but relevant to the current release
[07:15] <superm1> so they have two branches of svn
[07:15] <jono> right
[07:15] <superm1> trunk and release-fixes
[07:16] <jono> ok so release-fixes involve trunk fixes backported to the current release?
[07:16] <superm1> exactly
[07:16] <jono> cool stuff
[07:16] <superm1> usually no extra features
[07:16] <jono> so its nice and fresh and new in feisty
[07:16] <superm1> but just important bug fixes
[07:16] <superm1> yes
[07:16] <jono> sounds like you guys are doing a rocking job
[07:16] <superm1> we've kept busy, guarantee ya :)
[07:16] <jono> I am tempted to upgrade, well start the upgrade, tonight :)
[07:17] <tgm4883> they are doing a rocking job
[07:17] <superm1> jono, it might be just because i use this all so much, but i can do an entire myth install from a live disk in about an hour
[07:17] <jono> from the live ubuntu disk?
[07:17] <superm1> yea
[07:17] <jono> cool
[07:17] <jono> what about xmltv for uk people, is that simple to set up?
[07:17] <tgm4883> does that include setting up schedules
[07:18] <superm1> tgm4883, yup
[07:18] <tgm4883> nice
[07:18] <tgm4883> it takes me a long freaking time
[07:18] <tgm4883> but that is because of comcast i think
[07:18] <superm1> jono, I'm not positive about xmltv, I know you'll have to install xmltv before configuring the backend
[07:18] <jono> right
[07:18] <superm1> but since i've got zap2it, i can't tell you much more
[07:18] <tgm4883> the main install is quick
[07:19] <tgm4883> and they have made it so much easier for forgetful people like me
[07:19] <jono> so the pvr-350 is supported out of the box, does that mean ivtv is shipped in feisty?
[07:19] <superm1> yes
[07:19] <jono> wow, this sounds incredible :)
[07:20] <tgm4883> someone added a check to see if mythtv-backend is running when trying to start mythtv-setup, then presents you with a dialog box to stop it.  Whoever did that rocks ;)
[07:20] <superm1> tgm4883, (me)
[07:20] <superm1> very last minute idea
[07:20] <tgm4883> i know, majoridiot told me last night when i saw it the first time
[07:21] <superm1> gotten great feedback on it
[07:21] <tgm4883> every time i go into mythtv-setup i always forget to stop the backend
[07:21] <superm1> jono, for gutsy we're gonna have lirc modules shipped with the kernel hopefully to
[07:22] <superm1> i made a patch for it during feisty, but BenC didn't get it in time
[07:22] <jono> I assume lirc is packaged?
[07:22] <superm1> yea
[07:22] <jono> cool, I had to poke with lirc for my remote I remember
[07:22] <tgm4883> now if the pcHDTV people could get my IR receiver working properly with having to hack it up that would be great
[07:22] <superm1> there is a guide for that too at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Feisty
[07:22] <jono> cool
[07:23] <superm1> jono, just remember to backup your current ~/.lircrc and /etc/lirc/* start from breezy before going to feisty
[07:23] <tgm4883> if your like me be sure to follow the guide.  I know just enough to be dangerous to my system
[07:23] <jono> indeed
[07:23] <jono> I will backup a bunch of stuff and write down settings
[07:23] <tgm4883> would a mysql backup survive that?
[07:24] <superm1> it would survive, but i'd expect problems with permissions
[07:24] <superm1> on the users registerd for mysql
[07:24] <tgm4883> ah
[07:25] <jono> cool beans
[07:25] <jono> I might do it tonight if I don't have company
[07:26] <jono> when I do it, expect me pestering you guys with questions :P
[07:26] <superm1> jono, sounds good.  i'll be in and out throughout the day if anything goes wrong
[07:26] <superm1> and i'm sure majoridiot will come aorund later
[07:26] <jono> thanks superm1, you are a hero :)
[07:26] <jono> :)
[07:26] <tgm4883> company can wait, this is MythTV *cue trumpets
[07:26] <jono> hehehe
[07:26] <jono> well the company is my mate Aq, who will want to see the gory spectacle unfold
[07:26] <superm1> jono, you coming to ULive this year?
[07:27] <jono> superm1: yep
[07:27] <superm1> do you know who registered the session "MythTV on Ubuntu"?
[07:27] <jono> no idea
[07:27] <superm1> i tried to email derek chase about it, but no response
[07:28] <superm1> but i wanted to talk for it if no one is planned yet
[07:28] <jono> right
[07:28] <tgm4883> whos andrew?
[07:28] <superm1> andrew....?
[07:28] <tgm4883> andrew oswald
[07:29] <superm1> keescook was going to poke around a little for it, would you be in better contact with the right people?
[07:29] <superm1> tgm4883, not sure, where you seeing that name?
[07:29] <tgm4883> hes listed as the speaker for mythtv on ubuntu on ubuntu live
[07:29] <superm1> oh there is a speaker listed now
[07:29] <superm1> there wasnt before
[07:29] <tgm4883> yea
[07:30] <tgm4883> gives a little background about him
[07:30] <jono> I don't deal with ubuntu live unfortunatly
[07:30] <jono> superm1: so is there now a built in dvd player?
[07:30] <superm1> tgm4883, thanks, i'll see if i can get in contact with him about maybe doing a joint talk or something
[07:31] <superm1> jono, yup, but i dont like it much
[07:31] <superm1> i still use xine
[07:31] <jono> right
[07:31] <jono> currently using vlc I think
[07:31] <tgm4883> i use whatever the default is
[07:31] <jono> great stuff, I think I am all set :)
[07:34] <jono> thanks chaps, later!
[07:34] <superm1> later jono
[07:34] <jono> :)
[07:35] <tgm4883> hmm
[07:35] <tgm4883> ive been playing around with this and noticed two things
[07:36] <superm1> whats that
[07:36] <tgm4883> first what does this mean, is it deleting it because it needs to record live tv, or is it deleting it because it is live tv and needs space
[07:36] <tgm4883> 2007-04-20 10:05:22.190 Expiring Jerry Springer from Thu Apr 19 10:00:00 2007, 165 MBytes, forced expire (LiveTV recording)
[07:37] <superm1> needs space
[07:37] <superm1> typically
[07:38] <tgm4883> second thing i noticed is that while sitting on channel 2 (non HD ABC) i can no longer pass firewire_tester.  But if i go to 706 (an HD channel) i can pass the tests, then if i go back to channel 2 i can pass the tests on channel 2
[07:38] <tgm4883> i will test again when it fails again with a non hd channel twice
[07:39] <tgm4883> according to mythweb backend status i have this for space
[07:39] <tgm4883> Master Backend:
[07:39] <tgm4883>     * Total Space: 369,976 MB
[07:39] <tgm4883>     * Space Used: 213,212 MB
[07:39] <tgm4883>     * Space Free: 156,764 MB
[07:40] <tgm4883> which seems to be around 30% free
[07:40] <superm1> then it was just forced going into live tv
[07:40] <superm1> to clear out old recordings
[07:40] <tgm4883> and the second part of part 1 is why is it deleting it anyway.  Im not watching live tv and there are no scheduled recordings for right now
[07:40] <tgm4883> ok
[07:41] <superm1> there is a setting for it somewhere
[07:41] <superm1> about priority of autoexpire things
[07:41] <tgm4883> ok
[07:42] <tgm4883> i just was wondering if it thought it was trying to record something when it actually wasn't
[07:43] <tgm4883> what does firewire tester do?
[07:44] <superm1> couldn't tell ya :)
[07:44] <tgm4883> ah
[07:44] <superm1> i didnt use it back when i did firewire
[07:44] <superm1> like i said the firewire landscape has changed a lot since i last used it
[07:44] <superm1> so i'm interested to get back into it
[07:44] <tgm4883> ill have to ask majoridiot when he gets back
[07:44] <superm1> i'll be much more helpful in here once i do :)
[07:45] <tgm4883> unfortunatly it is the only way to get the HD content
[07:45] <tgm4883> they should do pc cards too
[07:45] <superm1> well i do mine via OTA here and QAM up in MN normally
[07:45] <tgm4883> with the amount of htpc's
[07:46] <tgm4883> but you can't get other things like discovery HD OTA?
[07:46] <superm1> no :(
[07:46] <tgm4883> i could only get abc, cbs, nbc, fox, cw, and opb using QAM 256 all in HD
[07:47] <tgm4883> no espn hd, no discovery hd
[07:47] <tgm4883> so thats why i got the cable box
[07:47] <superm1> ah
[07:47] <tgm4883> but if they did pci cards as well as cable boxes
[07:47] <tgm4883> even if it was only for *shudders* windows
[07:48] <tgm4883> at least it would be a starting point
[07:49] <superm1> yea
[07:50] <tgm4883> maybe im just talking crazy
[07:53] <superm1> well it would be nice
[07:53] <superm1> but there are so many complications around that
[07:53] <superm1> i mean it would also be nice if the QAM256 stuff wasn't all encrypted
[07:53] <superm1> then that would solve everyone's problems
[07:53] <superm1> newer TVs would work without cable boxes
[07:53] <superm1> QAM256 tuners on PCs would work
[07:53] <superm1> and it would be a happy world
[07:55] <tgm4883> im just going to move to north korea and hope the 1 channel i get is unencrypted
[07:55] <tgm4883> i didn't mean that, i get grumpy when im hungry
[07:56] <tgm4883> i got to make me some food
[07:56] <superm1> haha
[07:56] <superm1> okay later
[09:19] <superm1> keescook, ping
[10:01] <jono> hey superm1
[10:01] <jono> gonna cook dinner then begin the install :)
[10:49] <defendguin> would the desktop or server be better suited for running a mythtv box\print server?
[10:56] <tgm4883> just a print server?
[10:57] <defendguin> yeah
[10:57] <defendguin> just one printer
[10:57] <tgm4883> serving to other linux computers or windows
[10:58] <tgm4883> probably just a regular desktop.  I think the server install is more suited toward server software
[10:59] <defendguin> windows computers too
[11:00] <tgm4883> i still say desktop
[11:00] <tgm4883> are you using the computer as a regular desktop too?
[11:00] <defendguin> no
[11:00] <tgm4883> frontend/backend/desktop?
[11:00] <defendguin> i really wouldn't use the desktop at all
[11:01] <tgm4883> ok so just frontend backend
[11:01] <defendguin> right
[11:01] <tgm4883> yea i would go with a desktop instal
[11:01] <tgm4883> well follow the guide, cause you dont need the desktop
[11:01] <defendguin> and i don't have as much ram as i would like so i wanted something that would have less on by default
[11:04] <tgm4883> how much ram
[11:04] <defendguin> maybe 512
[11:04] <tgm4883> ok
[11:04] <defendguin> or 384
[11:04] <tgm4883> yea go with the backend frontend, no desktop
[11:04] <tgm4883> what cpu
[11:04] <defendguin> p4
[11:05] <defendguin> maybe 1.7 2.0 ghz
[11:05] <tgm4883> ok
[11:05] <tgm4883> you should be fine
[11:05] <tgm4883> your not planning on watching HD are you?
[11:05] <defendguin> well i need to have a desktop installed to make it easy to configure a few things
[11:05] <defendguin> nah i'm not paying for HD cable right now
[11:05] <tgm4883> what things
[11:06] <defendguin> like the printer setup
[11:06] <tgm4883> i dont think your processor is powerful enough for HD
[11:06] <defendguin> i'm not really worried about HD at this point in time
[11:06] <tgm4883> ok
[11:07] <defendguin> what i'm also interested in is a light weight TV viewer that can hook up the the mythtv backend so i can watch TV on the laptop
[11:07] <defendguin> wirelessly of course
[11:07] <defendguin> :-D
[11:08] <tgm4883> you could put just mythtv frontend on there
[11:08] <tgm4883> thats how i watch it on my laptop
[11:08] <tgm4883> thats how i stream it anyway
[11:09] <tgm4883> or you could download the show to your laptop and watch it that way
[11:09] <defendguin> i was looking for just an app that i launch like any other app not somehting that would try and take over my desktop
[11:09] <tgm4883> you can run the frontend in a window
[11:10] <defendguin> i noticed when i installed the myth frontend it interrupted gdm from loading as if it thought it was only going to be a gdm front end
[11:10] <defendguin> whoops
[11:10] <defendguin> s/gdm front/myth front
[11:11] <tgm4883> did you install mythtv-frontend or ubuntu-mythtv-frontend?
[11:12] <defendguin> ubuntu-
[11:12] <tgm4883> ah
[11:12] <majoridiot> ?
[11:12] <defendguin> probably both
[11:12] <tgm4883> that sets it up as a standalone frontend
[11:12] <defendguin> ok i'll stay away from that one then
[11:12] <tgm4883> hey majoridiot
[11:12] <majoridiot> 'lo
[11:12] <tgm4883> hows it going
[11:12] <majoridiot> package problems or just questions?
[11:12] <majoridiot> good.  u?
[11:13] <tgm4883> good
[11:13] <tgm4883> he wants to watch tv wirelessly on his laptop
[11:13] <majoridiot> ew.
[11:13] <majoridiot> good luck.
[11:13] <tgm4883> but mythtv was taking over his desktop
[11:13] <tgm4883> oh no?
[11:13] <majoridiot> it can, but barely....
[11:13] <tgm4883> standard def works on mine, but HD is too much
[11:13] <majoridiot> you need a STRONG signal... G-only...
[11:13] <tgm4883> yea G only
[11:14] <defendguin> N
[11:14] <majoridiot> and the mythtv stream needs to be pretty much the only traffic on the wireless network
[11:14] <tgm4883> n is even better
[11:14] <defendguin> but i don't have N
[11:14] <majoridiot> n is best, yes.
[11:14] <defendguin> ;-)
[11:14] <tgm4883> oh
[11:14] <tomrick>  Crazybone - VLC
[11:15] <tgm4883> aah just give me 200ft of cat 5 anyday
[11:15] <majoridiot> it can be done... the first coupla months my mythtv xtion was wireless only.
[11:15] <superm1> majoridiot, I contacted the guy doing the event
[11:15] <superm1> in Portland
[11:15] <majoridiot> just be prepared for less-than-perfect viewing.
[11:15] <superm1> he'd love to have me talk too
[11:15] <majoridiot> :)
[11:15] <defendguin> well with no HD and a strong signal and i'll stop browsing while watching i'm sure i'll be fine
[11:15] <tgm4883> awesome
[11:15] <majoridiot> superm1: who is it?
[11:15] <superm1> Andrew Olson
[11:15] <tgm4883> mine works great, but i live in a small apartment
[11:15] <superm1> he works for chariot systems
[11:16] <superm1> he's a java guy
[11:16] <majoridiot> ah
[11:16] <superm1> so i'm gonna make sure that i can get off of work for a few days and get a road trip organized
[11:16] <superm1> and then i'll plan to be there :)
[11:16] <defendguin> i really hope my remote control works out the box this time around
[11:16] <tgm4883> what remote?
[11:16] <majoridiot> defendguin: yes, cut the network traffic and you should be 98% satisfied ;)
[11:16] <defendguin> for a hauppage winttv pvr150
[11:17] <majoridiot> superm1: if you are speaking as well, i am willing to help sponsor
[11:17] <tgm4883> i dont think lirc is loaded automatically
[11:17] <tgm4883> but its real easy to setup
[11:17] <defendguin> i had a LOT of problems with edgy
[11:17] <superm1> majoridiot, u mean like hardware?
[11:17] <tgm4883> oh feisty is really nice
[11:17] <majoridiot> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Feisty
[11:17] <defendguin> never did get it working
[11:17] <tgm4883> there it is
[11:18] <majoridiot> superm1: cost-offsetting
[11:18] <superm1> majoridiot, i couldnt ask you to help with that.  dont worry about it
[11:18] <defendguin> i'll have to try it out when i get home
[11:18] <tgm4883> the pvr 150 should work out of the box
[11:18] <majoridiot> defendguin: lirc install is a snap for both pvr-150 versons
[11:19] <superm1> majoridiot, its already plenty that you help out so much with this team
[11:19] <majoridiot> superm1: you didn't ask... but i am willing to help just the same
[11:19] <majoridiot> just to get you there
[11:19] <tgm4883> its pretty simple, just follow the guide
[11:19] <tgm4883> i think it added maybe 10 minutes to my install
[11:19] <tgm4883> tops
[11:20] <majoridiot> tops :)  i like that.
[11:20] <superm1> majoridiot, that is very generous.  very much so appreciated
[11:20] <superm1> majoridiot, i'll make sure that i can get out there and we can talk more :)
[11:20] <superm1> gotta run to work right now though,
[11:20] <superm1> we'll be in touc
[11:20] <majoridiot> k
[11:20] <majoridiot> ttyl
[11:20] <tgm4883> living in the west coast is finally going to pay off
[11:21] <majoridiot> LOL @ tgm4883
[11:21] <tgm4883> we made some progress with the STB this morning
[11:21] <majoridiot> tgm4883: how goes the firewire situation?
[11:21] <tgm4883> superm1 was helping me try some things
[11:21] <majoridiot> hehe
[11:22] <majoridiot> status?
[11:22] <tgm4883> at least i can pass all the tests now
[11:22] <tgm4883> well lets see
[11:23] <tgm4883> superm1 talked me out of a complete reinstall to start from scratch, so we unplugged the box for 5 minutes, turned everything off
[11:23] <tgm4883> booted the stb
[11:23] <tgm4883> booted the mythtv box
[11:23] <tgm4883> now i can run the firewire tester and pass every time
[11:23] <majoridiot> ah. vg.
[11:23] <majoridiot> how about the prime on init?
[11:24] <tgm4883> we had a discussion earlier about my operating system reinstall disorder
[11:24] <majoridiot> hehe... you are stricken with that malady, it seems.
[11:24] <tgm4883> 2007-04-20 10:03:52     firewire ownership acquired
[11:24] <tgm4883> 2007-04-20 10:03:52     priming firewire...
[11:24] <tgm4883> 2007-04-20 10:03:52     FAILED! unable to prime firewire
[11:24] <tgm4883> thats my error
[11:24] <tgm4883> so at least we are back to that
[11:24] <majoridiot> k.  a workable position.
[11:25] <tgm4883> we were talking about our upgrade paths (him up from breezy) and he commented on all my reinstalls
[11:25] <tgm4883> i had a few
[11:25] <tgm4883> most of which though was settling on a distrobution that i liked
[11:26] <tgm4883> im going to start my frontend back up
[11:26] <tgm4883> as im logged in as me right now, not mythtv
[11:27] <majoridiot> ok... i'm a little fuzzy from last night.  you downloaded the primer and compiled it, right?
[11:27] <tgm4883> yes
[11:27] <majoridiot> you shouldn't ever be logged in as mythtv, really.
[11:27] <tgm4883> no?
[11:27] <majoridiot> no
[11:27] <tgm4883> wait, when it auto logs in is what i mean
[11:27] <majoridiot> ah
[11:28] <majoridiot> you have the be/fe standalone
[11:28] <tgm4883> yes
[11:28] <majoridiot> k
[11:28] <tgm4883> im at the testing the primer in the guide
[11:28] <majoridiot> q:
[11:29] <majoridiot> did you modify the init script yourself, or download the one at the end of the guide and copy it to /etc/init.d?
[11:29] <tgm4883> the mythtv-backend?
[11:29] <majoridiot> yes
[11:30] <tgm4883> modified it myslef
[11:30] <tgm4883> and that may be the problem
[11:30] <majoridiot> mayhaps so.
[11:30] <tgm4883> because i have issues
[11:30] <tgm4883> ill download it
[11:30] <majoridiot> back it up...
[11:30] <tgm4883> do i need to chmod the download or anything?
[11:30] <majoridiot> yes and chmod +x it
[11:30] <majoridiot> then sudo cp it to /etc/init.d
[11:30] <tgm4883> chmod +x and chown?
[11:31] <majoridiot> no need to chown
[11:31] <tgm4883> ok
[11:31] <majoridiot> the ownership will change to root when you sudo cp it
[11:31] <majoridiot> which is fine, as that script runs at root level
[11:34] <tgm4883> ok
[11:34] <tgm4883> that is done
[11:34] <tgm4883> a simple backend restart?
[11:34] <majoridiot> yup
[11:35] <tgm4883> hmm
[11:36] <majoridiot> ?
[11:36] <tgm4883> 2007-04-20 14:35:32     firewire ownership acquired
[11:36] <tgm4883> 2007-04-20 14:35:32     priming firewire...
[11:36] <tgm4883> 2007-04-20 14:35:32     SUCCESS! firewire is primed
[11:36] <tgm4883> oh
[11:36] <majoridiot> :)
[11:36] <tgm4883> the stb changed its channel to 2 when i restarted the backend
[11:36] <majoridiot> yer good to go.
[11:37] <tgm4883> thats why the hmm
[11:37] <majoridiot> :)
[11:37] <majoridiot> operator error.  LOL
[11:37] <tgm4883> thats a pebcak error if i ever saw one
[11:37] <majoridiot> (i'm adding that to the troubleshooting section LOL)
[11:37] <majoridiot> pebcak...?
[11:38] <tgm4883> Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard
[11:38] <majoridiot> ah yes... yes.
[11:38] <tgm4883> Then the famous ID 10 T error
[11:39] <tgm4883> now to test
[11:40] <tgm4883> I tried fetching the channels after i removed all cards and sources this morning (for the HDTV 5500) and it didn't work
[11:40] <tgm4883> had to scan
[11:41] <defendguin> majoridiot, great
[11:41] <majoridiot> hm.
[11:44] <tgm4883> hmm
[11:44] <tgm4883> not getting any live tv from the stb
[11:44] <tgm4883> although the backend is giving me some info
[11:44] <majoridiot> look at the backend log for info
[11:45] <tgm4883> the is nothing else in there
[11:45] <tgm4883> 2007-04-20 10:03:52     firewire ownership acquired
[11:45] <tgm4883> 2007-04-20 10:03:52     priming firewire...
[11:45] <tgm4883> 2007-04-20 10:03:52     FAILED! unable to prime firewire
[11:45] <tgm4883> 2007-04-20 14:35:32     firewire ownership acquired
[11:45] <tgm4883> 2007-04-20 14:35:32     priming firewire...
[11:45] <tgm4883> 2007-04-20 14:35:32     SUCCESS! firewire is primed
[11:45] <tgm4883> thats the entire log
[11:46] <tgm4883> although i do get some info from the ssh session that i started the backend from
[11:47] <majoridiot> hm.
[11:47] <tgm4883> this section might help
[11:47] <tgm4883> 2007-04-20 14:43:34.552 adding: athena as a client (events: 0)
[11:47] <majoridiot> how are you starting the backend?
[11:47] <tgm4883> 2007-04-20 14:43:34.553 TVRec(2): Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV
[11:47] <tgm4883> 2007-04-20 14:43:34.553 TVRec(2): HW Tuner: 2->2
[11:47] <tgm4883> libiec61883 warning: Established connection on channel 0.
[11:47] <tgm4883> You may need to manually set the channel on the receiving node.
[11:47] <tgm4883> 2007-04-20 14:43:36.151 FireRec: Buffered packets 2000 (8000 KB)
[11:47] <tgm4883> 2007-04-20 14:43:42.665 TVRec(2): Changing from WatchingLiveTV to None
[11:47] <tgm4883> 2007-04-20 14:43:42.707 Finished recording General Hospital: channel 2002
[11:47] <tgm4883> sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart
[11:47] <tgm4883> thats what i ran
[11:47] <majoridiot> warning: Established connection on channel 0.... you've got a database source error again
[11:47] <tgm4883> we may have set it to only log errors though
[11:48] <tgm4883> :(
[11:48] <defendguin> maybe i should run a dns server in the mythtv box so i could use computer names around the house instead of ip addresses
[11:48] <majoridiot> defendguin: why?
[11:48] <defendguin> why not?
[11:49] <majoridiot> tgm4883: ok you have 2 sources?
[11:49] <tgm4883> yes
[11:49] <tgm4883> the firewire and the hdtv 5500
[11:49] <majoridiot> defendguin: if your router automatically issues interal ips by MAC, then each machine has a permanent address  no resolves needed
[11:50] <majoridiot> tgm4883: and each source has a different name?
[11:50] <defendguin> majoridiot, linksys router doesn't have dhcp reservations
[11:50] <majoridiot> hm.  mine does.
[11:50] <tgm4883> the stb correctly changes to channel 2 when i change tuners in watch tv
[11:50] <defendguin> mine is rav5 which doesn't have linux firmware
[11:50] <defendguin> rev. 5
[11:51] <tgm4883> mine does too, (put probably cause I run ddwrt)
[11:51] <defendguin> not easily upgraded
[11:51] <tgm4883> yea each has a different name
[11:51] <majoridiot> tgm4883: do the sources share a common zap2it profile?
[11:51] <tgm4883> yes
[11:51] <defendguin> well i'm gone
[11:51] <defendguin> ttyl
[11:51] <majoridiot> ~
[11:51] <majoridiot> k
[11:52] <majoridiot> try this...
[11:52] <majoridiot> mythtv-setup... channel editor
[11:52] <majoridiot> delete all channels from the source for fw
[11:52] <tgm4883> maybe i should remove the hdtv 5500 from the list (not the computer)
[11:52] <tgm4883> all the fw channels
[11:53] <majoridiot> yes... delete all channels
[11:53] <majoridiot> then delete the source itself
[11:53] <majoridiot> set up a new source with a *new name*
[11:53] <majoridiot> and fill it with your zap2it data
[11:54] <majoridiot> then go to tuners and bind your fw connection to that source
[11:54] <majoridiot> and grab the channel listing from the source on that same screen
[11:54] <majoridiot> (button)
[11:54] <Rtax> aloha
[11:54] <majoridiot> that should give you a channel tables, etc. for firewire.
[11:55] <majoridiot> and won't hurt the 5500 setup
[11:55] <majoridiot> Rtax: hola
[11:55] <majoridiot> Rtax: i have a solution for your xmltv issue
[11:55] <majoridiot> (i think)
[11:55] <Rtax> well, i'm ok so far
[11:56] <Rtax> did a manual mythfill and seems ok
[11:56] <majoridiot> ah, ok.  nm then.
[11:56] <Rtax> just have to do a cron job to do that weekly
[11:56] <Rtax> but if you have anything more automated, awesome
[11:57] <Rtax> is there anything different in feisty as far as twinview?
[11:57] <majoridiot> no... when last we spoke you didn't know how to fill the database from an xml file.  thaz all.  you obviously sussed it.
[11:58] <majoridiot> Rtax: i don't think so.  other than some compiz support built-in.
[11:59] <majoridiot> Rtax: feisty does have a proprietary driver manager to install binary blobs like nvidia, atheros, etc.
[11:59] <Rtax> i have the nvidia drivers installed, got compiz and beryl installed
[11:59] <Rtax> both working great
[12:00] <Rtax> but I have my tv on the svideo output of my nvidia 5200
[12:00] <Rtax> any ideas?
[12:01] <majoridiot> Rtax: the only way i got the svideo on my 5500 to work worth anything is in clone mode
[12:01] <Rtax> i had it working in edgy
[12:01] <Rtax> using right of
[12:02] <majoridiot> using the same xorg.conf as in edgy?
[12:03] <Rtax> not yet
[12:03] <Rtax> i'm about to transfer the settings
[12:03] <Rtax> good idea?
[12:03] <majoridiot> should be ok
[12:03] <majoridiot> as long as the hardware didn't change
[12:04] <Rtax> nope, lets try then
[12:06] <tgm4883> your freaking kidding me
[12:07] <tgm4883> unable to prime firewire
[12:08] <majoridiot> ?
[12:08] <tgm4883> hmm
[12:08] <tgm4883> just a sec
[12:09] <tgm4883> let me pm you some stuff majoridiot
[12:09] <tgm4883> cause its a little long i think
[12:09] <majoridiot> np
[12:09] <tgm4883> but it may be relevant
[12:10] <tgm4883> ill need to explain what i did as not all is in this post
[12:10] <majoridiot> k
[12:19] <Rtax> hmm, same xorg.conf didn't work
[12:20] <Rtax> seems to have a desktop, but no gnome desktop
[12:20] <majoridiot> that's odd.
[12:23] <Rtax> maybe its beryl or compiz
[12:24] <majoridiot> ah yes
[12:24] <Rtax> yep
[12:24] <majoridiot> there are beryl/compiz specific setting in xorg.conf, right?
[12:24] <Rtax> doesn't look like it
[12:25] <Rtax> I disabled desktop effects
[12:25] <Rtax> and it worked
[12:25] <majoridiot> ah
[12:25] <majoridiot> vg