[12:28] is this new? [12:28] he was banned last night for some stupid crap i thought [12:29] holycow is a debian fanatic methinks [12:29] Upgrading with `apt-get` is discouraged now? o.O [12:29] he is usually nice and hostile with people he is helping too :) [12:29] and i recall having arguments with him time ago as well [12:29] Pumpernickel: quite [12:30] I must've missed the memo on that one. [12:30] Pumpernickel: update-manager handles depends and conflicts 100% better than apt-get [12:30] been like that since dapper>edgy upgrade [12:30] Pumpernickel: it's been discouraged forever. we've got update-manager. i personally think things should be set up so that apt-get would handle them fine - but that's not the case, so [12:30] Ah. === madmaster [n=madmaste@mad4milk.ddns.HomeLan.BG] has left #ubuntu-ops [] [12:31] there is even a cli version for servers now \o/ [12:31] was about time [12:31] and for kubuntu [12:44] http://www.ams-ix.net/technical/stats/ [12:44] this is THE main internet hub in amsterdam [12:45] and it may just be my imagination, but look at the timestamp feisty was released [12:45] and compare it with the day before [12:45] owww, pretty green colours [12:46] I don't see it... [12:46] Seveas: yeah. your crazy :) [12:46] How do you look at the prev day? [12:46] They're near identical? [12:46] PriceChild, it was 16:00 local time :) [12:46] ahh [12:47] there is a teeny jump... [12:47] Seveas: but it was more like half past :p [12:47] PriceChild, almost unnoticabl [12:47] oh, nvm, I'm nuts [12:47] Seveas, good enough 8-) [12:47] PriceChild, next ubuntu release HAS to cause som effect on ams-ix :) [12:47] hehe [12:49] Seveas: it didn't trigger DoS alerts this time? :( [12:50] how depressing [12:51] Ubuntu - We congest the Internet. [12:52] lol [12:52] Feel our power! === joejaxx [i=joejaxx@fluxbuntu/founder/joejaxx] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v joejaxx] by ChanServ [12:54] Good Evening All [12:56] hey joejaxx [12:56] :) === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Hobbsee] by ChanServ === ajmitch runs & hides === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Hobbsee] by ChanServ === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Mez] by ChanServ [01:18] it look so odd without #ubuntu+1 there [01:20] invite yourself in? :) === ajmitch wants to dist-upgrade [01:21] just like half the forums users [01:22] haha [01:22] since we know that gutsy must have awesome new stuff already! === dinda [n=dinda@cpe-72-181-88-193.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-ops [01:23] ooh, neat [01:23] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy [01:23] Source packages: 0 [01:23] special [01:23] gutsy doesnt exist. it's vaporware [01:23] lies! [01:23] sabdfl told me it exists!! [01:24] lol [01:24] haha [01:25] lies and propoganda! [01:26] lol :P === Vorian [n=h@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-ops [01:36] mjr called the ops in #ubuntu [01:37] dealt with [01:44] IdleOne called the ops in #ubuntu === variant [n=pear@unaffiliated/variant] has joined #ubuntu-ops [01:45] hello [01:45] afternoon. need a hand? [01:46] seems to me that #ubuntu is a victim of it's own success.. anyone thought about setting a user limmit to something like 400 and having overspill channels? (each with a 400 user limit) [01:46] 400, or something else.. 300 or 600 etc [01:46] OK, cool - we're at exactly 1337 users in #ubuntu :D [01:46] variant, and split the support also? [01:46] woww [01:47] Madpilot, s/c! [01:47] haha [01:47] missed the screenshot. pity. [01:48] PriceChild: yeah, i know what you are thinking but there comes a point (1600 users?) where the support that is possible to provide is really, really poor [01:49] everyone seems to think that ubuntu is going to become even more popular (me included).. I think it's inevitable that #ubuntu becomes unmanageable.. with increasing numbers of users frustrated with unanswered questions etc [01:50] I know it's a lot to ask but a few overspill channels could be manned by certain users/ops in all of the chans [01:50] I don't think it would be possible to hold a conversation in #ubuntu if there were consistently 2000 users [01:51] at a busy time [01:52] well, that was just a thought I had. === Vorian [n=h@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-ops [01:55] managing a channel that size is difficult, no doubt. we have #ubuntu+1 for the next version, and there have been ideas for managing LTS and previous versions in other channels [01:55] but, splitting up the channel just gives more unanswered posts, as visibility to someone who may be able to answer it, is limited [01:56] s/posts/questions/ [01:57] I know it's not easy.. I think there will come a point where it gets to be a requirement though [01:57] what i think should be stressed in a busy channel like that, is highlighting nicks [01:57] yeah [01:58] you can't force it on people though [01:58] no, but, if their subsequent questions could go unaswered, if they're not highlighting the person who's helping them [01:59] but, you can only do what you can do === phos-phoros [n=donovan@unaffiliated/phos-phoros] has joined #ubuntu-ops [02:13] wind0wsrawks may need some moderation in #ubuntu [02:17] jrib: thank you! === Scunizi [n=Scunizi@ip72-197-238-223.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-ops [02:20] Can anyone test my router and un-ban me from #ubuntu? [02:20] wind0wsrawks trolling in -offtopic now [02:22] atoponce, ^ [02:23] i know [02:23] he's annoying [02:23] is it possible to redirect !info nvu to !nvu ? [02:23] Is wind0wsrawks around to test and unban me? [02:23] Scunizi, wind0srawks is a troll [02:23] Scunizi: windowsrawks didn't ban you. he doesn't have the power [02:23] not an op [02:24] it was pricechild, and he's not here at the moment [02:24] ok.. I know that someone just mentioned this is the spot to get unbanned and mentioned him. [02:24] he'll need to do the unban [02:24] ok === Vorian_ [n=h@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-ops === Vorian_ is now known as Vorian [02:46] tonyyarusso: it should automaticly if there is no !nvu === gnomefreak not here [02:47] gnomefreak: No no, the other way around. There is an !nvu, but no !info [02:48] no !info because ther eis no package in feisty === gnomefreak still not here ;) [02:49] hint !forget nvu [02:49] sure you're not [02:49] sigh, that's not what I want still. [02:49] oh well [02:49] i should be in bed but i am waiting for iceape [02:50] night === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Jucato] by ChanServ === Vorian [n=h@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-ops === Hashif [n=po@d199-126-195-9.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-ops === Hashif [n=po@d199-126-195-9.abhsia.telus.net] has left #ubuntu-ops ["Leaving"] === Vorian_ [n=h@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-ops === Vorian_ is now known as vorian === vorian [n=h@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has left #ubuntu-ops ["porc::inca::dito::love"] === gouki_ [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-ops === variant [n=pear@unaffiliated/variant] has left #ubuntu-ops [] === phos-phoros_ [n=donovan@CPE-65-26-74-96.we.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-ops [03:34] intelikey called the ops in #kubuntu [03:36] nixternal: you an op in therE? [03:36] yes [03:36] ok cool than i am gone ;) === gnomefreak was watching [03:36] hehe [03:36] ya, I am watching too [03:37] he probably did enough to warrant a boot, but I will watch him [03:37] k ;) [03:37] nalioth got rid of him :) [03:38] nalioth: he has another nick in there [03:38] he changed to chemical... but never changed back to b1ood... you banned blood... [03:39] chemical, eh? [03:39] chemicalvamp: == b1ood... [03:40] with a one the guy you got was blood with an "el" [03:41] night === chemicalvamp [n=ubuntu@v-163.dsl.mhtc.net] has joined #ubuntu-ops [03:47] ok.. [03:48] chemicalvamp: you should ask your question in here [03:49] BloodyTux was being dumb in #kubuntu, and i chaned my nick to BIoodyTux (with a capitol i) to make fun of him in the other channels he made [03:49] i think i was banned for things HE did, not me [03:51] sometimes it's not wise to do things like this, chemicalvamp [03:51] we have a lot of trouble with clones [03:52] yeah i can see how thats a problem, i wasnt aware that it would change my name in #kubuntu untill after i said somehting in it [03:55] chemicalvamp: sorry about that, but you got a few ops excited . . . [03:55] In #ubuntu, dfawerefaef said: ubotu: what is the alternate cd for? [03:56] nalioth its not a problem, i see why they where mad === phos-phoros [n=donovan@unaffiliated/phos-phoros] has joined #ubuntu-ops [03:56] !ubotu > dfawerefaef === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@ubuntu/member/ajmitch] has left #ubuntu-ops [] [04:01] heh, you know I didn't catch that, but chemicalvamp has been a long time supporter in #kubuntu ;) [04:02] im always down to help people, and be helped.. passes the time [04:04] hehe [04:04] I didn't catch it earlier when they booted you [04:05] I knew the name was familiar, but it didn't click right away [04:05] apologies, chemicalvamp (but watch the chameleon act) [04:05] hehe [04:05] good idea [04:06] yeah i will stick with my own name, although had a couple laughs when the real dude was like WTF! ya know hehe === xblackfire [n=strafe@165.98.237.136] has joined #ubuntu-ops [04:18] nalioth: your boy is looking for you in ot [04:19] nixternal: which one is that? [04:22] NickGarvey called the ops in #ubuntu [04:26] how is set a project cloack ? [04:27] cloak [04:36] pppoe_dude called the ops in #ubuntu === stefg [n=chatzill@e179147140.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-ops === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v tonyyarusso] by ChanServ [05:00] interesting [05:00] I think we might be leveling off with the user count [05:00] It didn't really go up at all === phos-phoros [n=donovan@unaffiliated/phos-phoros] has joined #ubuntu-ops [05:00] Amaranth: keep in mind it's sleepy time for most of the planet [05:01] tonyyarusso: sure but we went back down to ~100 more than edgy got us [05:02] although since we also lost ~200 right before the feisty release you could say we got ~300 extra [05:02] we hit 1600 i believe, or came really close to it, prior, we were sitting on between 1000 and 1100 consistantly. we're almost 200 up on normal numbers === phos-phoros [n=donovan@unaffiliated/phos-phoros] has joined #ubuntu-ops === xt{c} [n=xtc@wikipedia/xx] has joined #ubuntu-ops [05:36] please unban me from #ubuntu, i am connected to port 8001 now [05:38] In ubotu, crimsun said: alsa is also download and use the script linked from http://www.linux-sound.info/alsa/index.php?task=support , then tell crimsun the URL of the paste === phos-phoros [n=donovan@unaffiliated/phos-phoros] has joined #ubuntu-ops === AmyRose [n=amyrose@user-12l2tg3.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-ops [05:54] Thanks whoever unbanned me from ubotu! I have a question though. I was told I was banned for flooding ubotu. Is it still flooding if I ask him stuff in a query window? [05:55] I've been wanting to see what ubotu knows without risking getting banned again [05:57] AmyRose: private query with the bot is the preferred way if you're searching/fishing for stuff. then there's also the factoid webpage [05:57] !ubotu [05:57] I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots [05:58] Jucato: Thank you. I was hoping I could do that because I don't want to accidentally send the wrong factoid to someone, and I am paranoid and I like to learn too. [06:04] Is the cunning plan for -release-party to keep it registered (for six months from now) and just redirect back to #ubuntu? [06:04] tonyyarusso, ^^^ [06:05] redirect to -offtopic [06:05] I'd agree with Amaranth [06:05] I was thinking it would probably stay open for a couple of days, max a week or so. [06:05] ya [06:06] It'd probably make sense to transfer ownership to whoever makes sense, although I don't mind holding it either. [06:13] "IRC council approval put on hold until UDS" what is that? [06:14] UDS = Ubuntu Drinking Session [06:17] jejeje, cool [06:17] actually s/Drinking/Development === maxamillion [n=adam@r74-192-178-37.htvlcmta01.hnvitx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v maxamillion] by ChanServ [06:17] it's the twice-yearly meeting - the next one is in Seville in a month or so (end of May, I think) === mneptok [n=mneptok@canonical/support/mneptok] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v mneptok] by ChanServ === AmyRose [n=amyrose@user-12l2tg3.cable.mindspring.com] has left #ubuntu-ops ["Leaving."] === QMario [n=QMario@cpe-24-27-104-162.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #Ubuntu-ops [06:42] Madpilot, 2 weeks tomorrow === Amaranth can't wait [06:42] OK - end of April, then [06:42] err.. no, 2 weeks 2 days time [06:42] i leave here in 2 weeks yesterday to get there [06:43] but im going to the ubucon the day before as well === Scunizi [n=Scunizi@ip72-197-238-223.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-ops [06:52] amaranth: anyone around that can unblock me on #ubuntu? [06:53] Scunizi, banforward to -read-topic? [06:54] madpilot: not sure what the topic means.... does it mean that they won't be unblocking anyone until after UDS (whatever that is) [06:55] Scunizi, no - sorry. Are you being sent to #ubuntu-read-topic when you try to get to #ubuntu? [06:55] yes [06:55] I've made the appropriate changes to the login port [06:56] OK - we just need to test your setup to make sure it works - please join #madpilot for a moment [07:03] Madpilot, next 'joke' about women being fake on irc from hai3u is to earn a ban, ok? [07:04] ok [07:06] where [07:07] Myrtti, hmm? [07:07] #ubuntu-offtopic? [07:08] Myrtti, is where he was a dick, yes, but he's joined #ubuntu-women now so he's now in my troll list [07:09] ooookkay [07:10] Scunizi, ban gone from #ubuntu [07:11] Thanks again Madpilot! [07:11] not a problem === Scunizi [n=Scunizi@ip72-197-238-223.sd.sd.cox.net] has left #ubuntu-ops ["Leaving"] === Whisperkiller [n=ubuntu@h6.118.255.206.cable.vcks.cablelynx.com] has joined #ubuntu-ops [07:13] umm i would like to join the #ubuntu channel but cannot for some reason and was forwarded here [07:14] was i banned or something? [07:15] is anyone awake? [07:15] elkbuntu: are people still using public aways at #u-w? [07:16] Whisperkiller, did you have trouble after a D C C attack? [07:16] possibly [07:17] i was forwarded to a chat room that mentioned something about that i think [07:17] you get forwarded to #ubuntu-read-topic, correct? Have you actually read the topic there? [07:17] yes i read it but im not on a router right now and it is still doing it [07:18] which IRC app are you using? [07:18] well when i got it while i WAS using my router....it was hydrairc i think... [07:18] but im on gaim now [07:19] im actually on the new ubuntu live cd [07:19] having issues trying to install and was wanting to get help [07:19] but are you using your router right now, or not? [07:19] no [07:20] OK - when you do start using your router again, go back to #ubuntu-read-topic and actually read the topic [07:20] Myrtti, if there are, i havent noticed them [07:20] in the mean time, join #madpilot for a moment, so I can check something [07:21] i did read the topic but thought it moot given my current situation :) [07:21] Myrtti, we'd love to have you back there === Whisperkiller [n=ubuntu@h6.118.255.206.cable.vcks.cablelynx.com] has left #ubuntu-ops [] === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-ops.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-ops === Topic for #ubuntu-ops: Welcome to the home of the operators of all Ubuntu (and derivatives) channels | This channel is for operator/abuse questions only | Support in #ubuntu, #kubuntu etc... | IRC council approval put on hold until UDS === Topic (#ubuntu-ops): set by Seveaz at Wed Mar 28 12:56:23 2007 === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Mez] by ChanServ === tsmithe [n=toby@ubuntu/member/tsmithe] has joined #ubuntu-ops === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Burgundavia] by ChanServ [08:48] @now Amsterdam [08:48] Current time in Europe/Amsterdam: April 20 2007, 08:48:57 - Next meeting: Support Team in 1 day === GazzaK [n=Dogbert@colchester-lug/GazzaK] has joined #ubuntu-ops [09:01] @now Kent [09:02] @now London [09:02] Current time in Europe/London: April 20 2007, 08:02:15 - Next meeting: Support Team in 1 day [09:02] ah ok thanks [09:02] @now is the winter of our discontent [09:02] only big cities in that db [09:03] @now Feistyland [09:03] hmh, stupid bot [09:03] lol [09:03] it is GutsyLand now :P [09:03] not yet :( [09:04] well launchpad says it :P [09:04] even though it says 0 packages [09:04] yes but until repos are open... [09:04] :P [09:04] i cannot wait to install Gutsy Gibbon [09:09] if people ask for torrents, please point them at http://montreal.canonical.com/torrents [09:09] most mirrors have slowed to a crawl [09:13] ok === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-187-225.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-ops [09:23] slashdot without slashdot [09:25] slashdot by non-morons, you mean? ;) [09:26] yay i got a pony [09:26] Burgundavia, did you notice that you got a pony, too? [09:26] A Pony!!11! [09:26] GazzaK, http://laserjock.wordpress.com/2007/04/19/second-semiannual-golden-pony-awards/ [09:27] heh [09:27] LOl [09:27] so did joejaxx [09:27] I WANT A PONY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [09:28] @pony jussi01 [09:28] No jussi01 can't have a pony, elkbuntu! [09:28] hmhpppphh === jussi01 cries... [09:28] elkbuntu: rofl The Hoax [09:29] joejaxx, i actually dont get it, i must have missed some huge cool joke or something [09:29] elkbuntu: it was a large misconception over a april fools joke [09:30] ooh? what was teh joke? [09:30] elkbuntu: that a new site reported 10 days later [09:30] elkbuntu: search fluxbuntu official lol [09:30] hehe [09:32] lol @ sharms blog [09:32] Apparently there was no category in the pony awards for me. I was hoping to win the award for most annoying spec spammer. [09:32] lol [09:33] s/new/news/g [09:33] wow the ubuntu servers are crawling [09:33] :\ [09:34] yeps.. [09:34] hehe === jussi01 wonders how much cash he has to slip to who to become op... [09:35] jussi01: lol :P [09:36] jussi01, the more you try, the less likely you are to become one [09:36] anyone that wants the job is obviously too insane to do it effectively. [09:36] elkbuntu, I sorta figured that.... :P [09:36] the +o finds you not the other way around :P [09:36] jussi01, in fact, certain of the deciders will put a big 'NEVER' next to the name of anyone who asks [09:37] hahah...ok... === mneptok watches the bittornado curses UI scroll by with the accompanying chorus of happy users === jussi01 goes away.... === jussi01 comes back... no, its fun in here :D [09:38] hehe [09:38] too bad that 40Gbps mirror is a week behind [09:38] wait until Clothing Optional Tuesday [09:39] eeek, /me is glad he is not about on tuesdays [09:39] lol [09:39] GazzaK: trust me, so are we [09:40] hehe [09:40] meh [09:40] but mneptok my arse is so purt and cute === GazzaK hides [09:41] GazzaK: too late. i've been to the ophthamologist. [09:42] the what? [09:44] "the eye doctor" [09:44] ahhh optician :p [09:45] trust you to use big long words [09:45] if you call an ophthamologist an optician, they'll kill you [09:45] lol [09:46] if you call asshole an asshole, they'll kill you, I guess [09:47] well, an optician has ~2 years of training. [09:47] yup [09:47] an ophthamologist has an MD [09:48] thats 7 years + possible specialising, right? [09:48] nalioth: sorry about last night i thought they were same user :( [09:48] yup [09:49] gnomefreak: ...perv [09:50] yeah :( === Seeker` [n=cjo20@ip-62-105-182-26.dsl.twang.net] has joined #ubuntu-ops === effie_jayx [n=l3ap@190.37.175.250] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-ops [11:25] In ubotu, willwill said: !foo is bar [11:33] dou1 called the ops in #ubuntu-au === LjL [n=ljl@ubuntu/member/ljl] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v LjL] by ChanServ [12:02] what's our policy with compiz/beryl now that we have some of it "almost by default"? still redirect everyone to -effects? or keep it in #ubuntu as long as it's strictly related to what's available from "Desktop effects"? or? [12:02] If it breaks, tell them to go to -effects? :) [12:03] if it doesn't break, they won't ask :P [12:03] well they ask how to enable it [12:03] well, personally i'd say that's a question for #Ubuntu now [12:03] and not a long one to answer, either [12:04] thats what Im saying :) [12:05] mc44: then i suppose i need to revise my position [12:05] :p [12:20] personally, i'd like to see compositor questions kept distinct [12:20] the less Compiz, Beryl, and co. are seen as "part of Ubuntu" the better, IMO === gnomefreak would still send them to #ubuntu-effects because you never know where they got it from and all other stuff [12:24] gnomefreak, quarentine zone for 3d wobbly stuff, so they don't infect decent computers with their wobbliness? ;) [12:25] Madpilot: lol i meant from beryl repos since ubuntu doesnt support the beryl repos (half the people that use it have no clue where they got it from ;) [12:25] ask.com and ask jevees are now the same :( [12:25] true enough. 3rd party repos... fun things. [12:40] -release-party has turned in to an offtopic channel [12:41] the cunning plan is to redirect it back to -offtopic in in a few days [12:41] ah ok [12:42] oh please no. Just clear it ;) [12:42] lol [12:42] aye === Symmetria [i=aalston@192.48.253.7] has joined #ubuntu-ops [12:52] hrm heh, quick question, is there a reason why at the moment I cant talk in #ubuntu? [12:53] can you part/join? [12:53] yeah Im in there [12:53] Im not banned :) [12:53] I simply cant send to channel, almost like its desynched or something [12:54] taht's exactly it [12:54] (since you're not banned) [12:54] urgh, heh, no TS6 here? :) [12:54] err? [12:54] the ircd is working hard to keep sync with all the joi/parts [12:54] #ubuntu is desynced? [12:54] +n [12:54] heh ljl well, I'd presume so since I can join/part and cant talk :) [12:55] Symmetria: nope [12:55] well you might be muted [12:55] ljl, thats also possible, how do I get unmuted :) [12:55] depends why you were muted, hold on [12:55] I dont know what modes this network supports, I run efnet servers, hehe not freenode servers [12:55] yes, you're quite muted [12:55] for what? [12:56] Symmetria: apparently, for lying about feisty being out when it was not [12:56] Symmetria: you'll *admit* to running an EF ircd?! [12:56] are you drunk or crazy? or both? [12:56] ;) [12:56] ljl *rolls eyes* all I said was "there are images on the mirrors, and they are not official, there is no official release yesterday" referring the images which WERE there [12:56] and since I RUN one of the ubuntu mirrors I had NO reason to do that [12:57] (I run za.* mz.* ls.* etc) [12:57] Symmetria: if you run a mirror you are expected to be more responsible about what you announce. [12:57] Symmetria: saying that it's out when it hasn't been officially announced just increases confusion, and possibly problems [12:57] apokryphos I never said it was out, I was asked a question [12:57] I answered it [12:57] Symmetria: even if it's on the mirror, that's not to say that that image is the final release [12:57] Symmetria: well no, you went on arguing from what i can see... [12:57] I said to people please do NOT download [12:57] *sigh* ok, whatever [12:57] 2007-04-19T12:10:20 it is out [12:57] 2007-04-19T12:10:23 definately out [12:58] apokryphos look, Im not gonig to argue with you [12:58] I knwo what I said in what context [12:58] Symmetria: for that matter anyway, it was "out" days ago... the images are dated 15th [12:58] if you wish to keep me muted in there, I have no problem with that, I will simply leave [12:58] Symmetria: I know too, so please don't try to argue :) [12:59] Symmetria: any discussion prior to official announcment about what mirrored bits have been synced to you is Really Frackin' Uncool, IMO [12:59] Symmetria: we'll lift your mute for now, but please don't do things like that in the future [12:59] Im not going to argue [12:59] well thank you for lifting it, I still contend that I never said those things :) [12:59] cheers === Symmetria [i=aalston@192.48.253.7] has left #ubuntu-ops [] === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+o LjL] by ChanServ === mode/#ubuntu-ops [-o LjL] by LjL === Symmetria [i=aalston@192.48.253.7] has joined #ubuntu-ops [01:00] symmetria: wait, it's not like i want to argue but [01:00] Symmetria: i'd just like you to understand why you shouldn't have told people it was released [01:00] Symmetria: it was "released" on 15th. sure, the images on the mirrors didn't change [01:00] Symmetria: but that was because they've been *testing* it during that time... if they'd found problems, possibly serious problems, they'd have fixed them before release [01:01] ljl, I do understand, I understand perfectly well, what I was actually saying if you read the context though was that there were images out there, they may or may not be the final release, and if you were gonna download them please to use the torrents to keep the load down [01:01] thats ALL I said [01:01] they could have possibly even delayed the release, if that were justified [01:01] Symmetria: as a mirror operator even that goes over the line [01:01] and ljl I perfectly well understand the reasons behind it, and thats why you need to read context, though its entirely possible I get muted so fast that my CONTEXT never got through [01:01] well, there's been images out for ages - the "herds", the beta... this one was just a release candidate [01:01] it just so happened to coincide with the later actual release [01:01] Symmetria: Canonical trusts you to act in our best interest. that means not announcing *ANYTHING* until we do. [01:02] mneptok as a mirror operator I have to contend with server and network load, when someone in there posts a link that points directly at my mirror and makes comments about the images on there, which cause a 60mbit spike in bandwidth on an unofficial image, am I supposed to say NOTHING? [01:02] mneptok what I was saying is that YES there are images on there, because someone had just posted a damn link to them, must I dig out the logs and show it? as well as thec omments I made after that? [01:02] which PROBABLY didnt get through because of how fast I got muted [01:02] Symmetria: surely you would say that that's *not* the official image to them [01:02] Symmetria: take the machine offline or chown the stuff before you break trust [01:03] not proclaim that it IS out [01:03] Symmetria: you're unmuted, so there's no point arguing about what you *meant* to say anymore, i think [01:03] Symmetria: i just wanted to make sure you realize what i said above [01:03] if you do, then fine [01:03] look IM not going to discuss this, but whatever, you believe what you want about what I said or didnt say [01:03] we also have automatic logs of all bans, with significant previous context [01:03] look, think what you will\ === Symmetria [i=aalston@192.48.253.7] has left #ubuntu-ops [] === apokryphos sighs === gnomefreak kind of scared to ask [01:04] I really haven't seen many people argue about them not saying something when you actually produce the quote of them saying it 8) === Lathiat [n=lathiat@ubuntu/member/pdpc.basic.lathiat] has joined #ubuntu-ops [01:07]