[12:28] <maxamillion> lol
[12:28] <maxamillion> i sorry
[12:28] <maxamillion> not lol @ you ... at the fact that i was talking to you in 2 channels at once
[12:29] <maxamillion> kalikiana|dead: any chance to recover the data atleast?
[12:29] <kalikiana|dead> Ah, I forgive zou :)
[12:29] <kalikiana|dead> My kezboard is hard to use.
[12:29] <kalikiana|dead> Any chance to rescue my hd when I saved my data
[12:30] <Arkh> argh kalikiana|dead :(
[12:30] <Arkh> can you still mount it from the live?
[12:30] <kalikiana|dead> I did not try yet, little bit afraid.
[12:30] <Arkh> well you can't lose more
[12:30] <kalikiana|dead> But I think yes.
[12:30] <Arkh> do a dmesg | grep -i hd
[12:30] <T`2> is there any improvement on wireless connections setup in xubuntu?
[12:31] <T`2> fiesty..
[12:31] <maxamillion> kalikiana|dead: yeah ... mounting it from live cd and accessing the data is probably going to be your only chance of getting it back
[12:31] <Arkh> and see what does it say
[12:31] <maxamillion> T`2: not entirely sure to be honest, i upgraded :/
[12:31] <Arkh> (if you have a ata, if you have a sata grep i sd)
[12:31] <kalikiana|dead> Last hd boot said :hd error, fsck failed:
[12:31] <T`2> maxamillion, ic.. what are you using for connecting to wireless ?
[12:32] <Arkh> well it is good
[12:32] <Arkh> at least the hd is not totally dead
[12:32] <Arkh> once mine just stopped spinning :<
[12:32] <kalikiana|dead> How would I know if I can still use it after that
[12:33] <Arkh> well it is not a good idea to keep using that
[12:33] <Arkh> backup your data
[12:33] <kalikiana|dead> Arkh, Arg, I am glad that did not happen to me.
[12:33] <Arkh> and go out buying a new hd
[12:33] <maxamillion> T`2: wifi-radar on one laptop and gnome-network-manager's nm-applet on another
[12:33] <Arkh> oh and get ready for a fresh feisty installation too :P
[12:33] <T`2> maxamillion, oh ok.. i use wifi-radar in edgy, not that great
[12:33] <Arkh> kalikiana|dead, did you try the dmesg | grep -i hd ?
[12:34] <T`2> maxamillion, hopefully its better on fiesty..
[12:34] <Arkh> does it say something about some hard drives?
[12:34] <kalikiana|dead> Arkh, I think I read about fixing bad sectors and using reserved sectors. Any idea about that
[12:34] <Arkh> that is fsck
[12:34] <Arkh> but that failed
[12:34] <Arkh> so I think it is pretty bad
[12:34] <maxamillion> T`2: there are two projects being worked on for xfce .... http://compwiz18.blackhole.cx/wicd/wb/ and http://spuriousinterrupt.org/projects/airconfig ... and i think one of them will eventually become default in xubuntu but neither appeared stable enough in their current state of development
[12:35] <Arkh> try mounting the disk kalikiana|dead
[12:35] <T`2> maxamillion, ah ok
[12:35] <kalikiana|dead> Arkh, here is an exerpt from dmesg:
[12:35] <kalikiana|dead> end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, sector 1081540
[12:35] <kalikiana|dead> [17179577.984000]  Buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical block 270385
[12:35] <kalikiana|dead> [17179578.080000]  hdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
[12:35] <Arkh> I think hdc is the cd drive?
[12:36] <Arkh> I had some errors like that on my cd drive anyways :p
[12:36] <kalikiana|dead> Hm. Im not sure. Did not have those errors normally.
[12:37] <Arkh> fdisk /dev/hda or whatever is your hd
[12:37] <Arkh> then p to see the partition table
[12:37] <Arkh> q to exit
[12:38] <maxamillion> insert*
[12:39] <kalikiana|dead> What is that cd, maximillion?
[12:40] <maxamillion> www.ultimatebootcd.com <-- lots of diagnostics tools and comes with a live linux distro called "insert" that is geared towards data recovery, hardware testing, etc.
[12:40] <kalikiana|dead> Arkh, fdisk /dev/sda  >> Unable to open /dev/sda
[12:41] <Cygnet> where can I get the md5sum for the xubuntu alternate i386 iso?
[12:41] <Arkh> are you sure to have a sata?
[12:42] <tonyyarusso> Cygnet: The same directory as the iso, the file is MD5SUMS
[12:42] <kma> anyone know how I can hide certain partitions from thunar?
[12:43] <Cygnet> ah, there it is
[12:43] <Cygnet> ty
[12:43] <somerville32> kma: Disable auto-mount on them.
[12:43] <somerville32> !fstab
[12:43] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[12:44] <kma> somerville32: they are not in the fstag
[12:44] <Cygnet> argh, that was just the ubuntu md5sums
[12:44] <kma> *fstab
[12:44] <somerville32> Interesting.
[12:44] <kma> somerville32: I removed them on installation
[12:44] <Cygnet> I got a torrent from torrent.ubuntu.com and there's no md5sum in the directory
[12:45] <kma> somerville32: my guess is that it has something to do with the volume management
[12:45] <Cygnet> ah, I think I found it this time
[12:45] <somerville32> I'm not on Xubuntu right now or I'd take a look
[12:47] <kalikiana|dead> Arkh, dmesg says SCSI. I used to mount partitions from sda1, sda2 and sda4.
[12:47] <Arkh> that's bad
[12:47] <kalikiana|dead> So is the life cd weird or is the drive now finally dead
[12:47] <Arkh> sudo mkdir /media/disk
[12:48] <Arkh> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/disk
[12:48] <kalikiana|dead> sda1 is ntfs, is that a problem?
[12:48] <Arkh> no
[12:49] <Cygnet> so, are there any major upgrade problems like there were for edgy, or has it been smooth sailing?
[12:49] <kalikiana|dead> Arkh: I did mount it and Thunar says I have no rights.
[12:50] <Arkh> cd /media/disk
[12:50] <Arkh> ls
[12:50] <kalikiana|dead> It says Permission denied.
[12:50] <Arkh> sudo mount -o remount,user /dev/sda1 /media/disk
[12:51] <WaxyFresh> howdy, i removed the package that controls the applications menu bar and now my desktop icons arnt showing up is this conected?
[12:51] <kalikiana|dead> Arkh, No output from mount, still Permission denied.
[12:51] <WaxyFresh> the icons only dissaperd after a xorg restartr
[12:51] <WaxyFresh> restart* sorry very tired
[12:51] <Arkh> sudo ls
[12:52] <WaxyFresh> !kernal
[12:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kernal - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:52] <Arkh> !kernel
[12:52] <WaxyFresh> !kernel
[12:52] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[12:52] <Arkh> data is ok?
[12:52] <kma> hmm.. I have a question.. what must happen to make an application to get added to the repos?
[12:53] <MLittle> whew, big day
[12:53] <Arkh> back it up with a usbpen or through network
[12:53] <Arkh> kma, find the right repo
[12:53] <SaveFerris> Hey all, update manager freezes when I click "upgrade" for fiesty. (running xubuntu 6.10)
[12:53] <kalikiana|dead> I can see the files with sudo. The files look right.
[12:53] <kalikiana|dead> I will trz to copy files via the lan.
[12:53] <kma> Arkh: I mean.. what must happen to make an application appear in the offical repos? like. universe
[12:54] <Arkh> you can't
[12:54] <Arkh> well you can submit a request maybe :p
[12:54] <kma> thats what I mean
[12:54] <Arkh> but usually it is easier to find someone that's offering the packages on another repo
[12:54] <maxamillion> MLittle: yes, this is the right place :)
[12:54] <WaxyFresh> so if ive been updateing daily i should have the full version of fiesty right?
[12:54] <MLittle> lol thanks
[12:54] <WaxyFresh> for xubuntu^^
[12:55] <maxamillion> MLittle: i just saw your message in -devel :)
[12:55] <kma> Arkh: if I can find it :)
[12:55] <MLittle> haha rats
[12:55] <Arkh> kma, google :D
[12:56] <kma> hmm
[12:57] <kma> a torrent for edgy :)
[12:57] <kma> a *deb for edgy
[12:58] <kma> HEY.. one for feisty... i286 >.<
[12:58] <maxamillion> its annoying sometimes
[12:58] <kma> *i386 :\
[12:58] <Arkh> err
[12:58] <Arkh> what?
[12:58] <maxamillion> kma: lol ... been a while since i seen an i286
[12:58] <kma> Arkh: running on amd64
[12:58] <Arkh> I was playing arkanoid on my i286 I think :P
[12:58] <Arkh> kma, me too
[12:59] <kma> Arkh: looking to see if I can find transmission without compiling it myself
[12:59] <Arkh> what is trasmission?
[12:59] <_Codeman_> I need help setting up my network adapter
[12:59] <Arkh> torrent thing I see
[01:00] <kma> Arkh: yeah.. lightweight torrent client
[01:00] <kalikiana|dead> Arkh: I would like to copy files over to a winxp laptop. What would be the best way, given I forgot how to do it?
[01:01] <SaveFerris> update manager had an authentication failure... any ideas? (6.10)
[01:02] <Arkh> kma, rtorrent - ncurses BitTorrent client based on LibTorrent
[01:02] <kma> Arkh: want gui :)
[01:03] <Arkh> I think it is pretty lightweight too :p
[01:03] <Arkh> ncurses IS gui XD
[01:03] <Arkh> lol.. well.. :p
[01:03] <kma> Arkh: GF friendly gui then :)
[01:04] <kma> yipes
[01:04] <kma> 60mb of packages just to compile transmission.. hell no
[01:05] <kma> will be hell to clean up after that operation
[01:05] <Arkh> kalikiana|dead,  tried with a ftp server?
[01:05] <Arkh> install filezilla on thw winxp laptop
[01:05] <_Codeman_> I forget what file the network adapter stuff is in... can any assist?
[01:06] <kalikiana|dead> Arkh, Did not think of that. How would I provide the files. I tried to enable samba but I do not know the username and password to enter on the laptop.
[01:07] <Arkh> kalikiana|dead, ftp server is the best option
[01:07] <kalikiana|dead> Arkh, Forgive me when I appear a bit arkward. Just now I seem to not know a thing about linux.
[01:08] <kalikiana|dead> Arkh, How could I set up/ use ftp up the most easiest way?
[01:08] <Arkh> don't worry
[01:08] <Arkh> oh wait
[01:08] <Arkh> don't you have it on the live?
[01:09] <Arkh> sudo /etc/init.d/vsftpd start
[01:09] <kma> OH!!!
[01:09] <kalikiana|dead> Arkh, Command not found.
[01:09] <Arkh> hmm
[01:10] <maxamillion> kalikiana|dead: did you install vsftpd?
[01:10] <kma> okey, this is a thing I always wanted.. is there some way to snapshot the current packages you have installed.. so I can install several packages.. compile my program.. and then revert back? :)
[01:10] <kalikiana|dead> Arkh, Any idea how to allow winxp to login over samba?
[01:10] <kalikiana|dead> maxamillion: No, maybe I should. I was not sure if it was on the live cd.
[01:11] <Arkh> heh I hope it was on the live
[01:11] <kma> hmm.. python script should be enough
[01:11] <Arkh> kma, ghost your disk? :P
[01:11] <Arkh> Idk seriously :P
[01:11] <kma> Arkh: lol.. abit over kill :)
[01:12] <kma> well.. dpkg -l > before
[01:12] <kma> dpkg -l > after
[01:12] <Arkh> well that's a dirty trick
[01:12] <kma> then just do a script that checks the difference and reverts it
[01:12] <Arkh> kalikiana|dead, do you have gftp on the live?
[01:13] <kalikiana|dead> Arkh, I installed vsftp. It seems to have been started.
[01:13] <Arkh> should be on the installed?
[01:13] <Arkh> on the live?
[01:13] <Arkh> err crap
[01:14] <Ezep> hi...
[01:14] <Arkh> hi
[01:14] <Ezep> sorry, anyone talk spanish here?
[01:14] <Arkh> no
[01:14] <Arkh> ust basics
[01:14] <Arkh> just*
[01:14] <Arkh> I'm italian though
[01:14] <kalikiana|dead> Arkh, gftp is not installed.
[01:14] <Ezep> mmm. i think that i must speak english :s
[01:14] <maxamillion> Arkh: no, i don't think it should be installed by default on the livecd
[01:15] <kalikiana|dead> Arkh, Now that ftp server is running, would would I use it to transfer files?
[01:15] <Ezep> is there an "application download service" in xubuntu....like ubuntu
[01:15] <Ezep> ?
[01:15] <Arkh> try connection with a ftp client to your linux ip
[01:15] <kalikiana|dead> Ezep, You mean synaptic packagemanager?
[01:16] <Arkh> Menu -> Other -> Add/Remove Program ?
[01:16] <Ezep> no, synaptic no...
[01:16] <Ezep> i have xubuntu 6.06
[01:16] <Ezep> arkh: yes, but i haven t it :p
[01:16] <Arkh> oh :p
[01:17] <Ezep> "Other" misses....maybe cause i used alternate install...
[01:19] <kalikiana|dead> Arkh: How would I know my ip address?
[01:19] <Arkh> ifconfig
[01:19] <Arkh> (sudo)
[01:20] <maxamillion> Arkh: you don't need sudo to just see the output of ifconfig ;)
[01:20] <Arkh> oh?
[01:20] <Arkh> my mind tricks me :p
[01:20] <maxamillion> Arkh: lol, no worries
[01:20] <Arkh> correct
[01:21] <Arkh> maybe I just do su
[01:21] <Arkh> when I do the ifconfig wlan0 up thing
[01:21] <Arkh> :P
[01:21] <maxamillion> Arkh: other linux distros won't allow regular users access to the command so i understand the confusion
[01:21] <maxamillion> Arkh: well to do ifconfig wlan0 up you do need sudo because you are changing something
[01:22] <maxamillion> Arkh: but just to see the current configuration, regular users are allowed to execute the command on *buntu distros
[01:22] <Arkh> I see :)
[01:22] <maxamillion> w00t! ...
[01:22] <Arkh> lol
[01:23] <maxamillion> then i get to go home and study for an exam i have tomorrow
[01:23] <kalikiana|dead_> Arkh: I get an emptz listing now, how can I tell the server where the files are in?
[01:23] <Arkh> you should set the ftp root folder as the system root folder
[01:24] <Arkh> is your lan secure ?
[01:24] <maxamillion> kalikiana|dead_: i think you will have to link the directory of the mount to the directory that is being shared by the ftp server
[01:24] <maxamillion> or what Arkh said
[01:24] <kalikiana|dead_> So, how?
[01:24] <maxamillion> actually ... what Arkh said it probably easier and safer
[01:24] <maxamillion> not sure ... i'm not well versed in vsftpd configuration
[01:25] <Arkh> kalikiana|dead, give me some time to digg through the configuration
[01:25] <Arkh> :P
[01:26] <kalikiana|dead_> Arkh, I"m sorrz for being impatient. I will be waiting.
[01:28] <Arkh> kalikiana|dead, can you edit a /etc/vsftpd.conf file?
[01:29] <kalikiana|dead_> Arkh, yes. I opened it in mousepad.
[01:29] <Arkh> perfect
[01:29] <Arkh> search for anonymous_enable
[01:30] <Arkh> is it set to yes?
[01:30] <kalikiana|dead_> Arkh: That is set to "Yes"
[01:30] <Arkh> okay
[01:30] <Arkh> wait
[01:30] <Arkh> !paste
[01:30] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:30] <Arkh> let us take a look please :)
[01:31] <kalikiana|dead_> Arkh: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16460/
[01:31] <maxamillion> kalikiana|dead_: did you open it in "gksudo mousepad <filename>"?
[01:33] <kalikiana|dead_> maxamillion: Yes
[01:33] <kalikiana|dead_> I do not see a folder setting...
[01:33] <CnH> Will the update manager take me from 6.06 to the newest FF release?
[01:33] <somerville32> No
[01:33] <maxamillion> kalikiana|dead_: ok, just making sure
[01:33] <somerville32> You need to upgrade to 6.10 then to 7.04
[01:33] <neozen> feisty out!
[01:33] <neozen> whee!
[01:33] <Arkh> kalikiana|dead, try adding a line "anon_root=/"
[01:34] <maxamillion> CnH: don't use the update manager to go from 6.06 to 6.10 though ... the 6.06 version had issues
[01:34] <maxamillion> neozen: yup yup
[01:34] <Ezep> ok...i want a download manager...
[01:34] <CnH> apt-get instead?
[01:34] <Ezep> for my xubuntu
[01:35] <maxamillion> CnH: yeah, you know how to edit your sources.list and perform the upgrade?
[01:35] <Arkh> and kalikiana|dead do a sudo /etc/init.d/vsftpd restart
[01:35] <kalikiana|dead_> Ezep: there is eg. wget
[01:35] <maxamillion> Ezep: what kind of download manager?
[01:35] <CnH> not really, been awhile since I played with linux at all
[01:35] <Ezep> not apt... not wget... that one that ubunut use
[01:35] <maxamillion> Ezep: apt isn't a download manager
[01:35] <Arkh> synaptic ?
[01:36] <maxamillion> synaptic isn't a download manager either
[01:36] <Arkh> I know
[01:36] <neozen> Ezep: there's a really good plugin for firefox called downthemall
[01:36] <Ezep> synaptic use apt...
[01:36] <neozen> Ezep: might do what your looking for
[01:36] <Ezep> neozen, no neozen...
[01:36] <Ezep> that one that ubuntu use .....
[01:36] <maxamillion> Ezep: apt is not a download manager
[01:37] <maxamillion> Ezep: what is the one in ubuntu called?
[01:37] <Ezep> it s a service...
[01:37] <CnH> so the first uncommented line in my sources.list is
[01:37] <neozen> Ezep: "that one".... ::sigh::
[01:37] <Ezep> i don t remember...
[01:37] <VR_> hey guys, what's the md5sum for the torrents at http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/feisty/release/  ???
[01:37] <CnH> coming, in a second
[01:37] <kalikiana|dead_> Arkh: I inserted anon_root=/, restarted the server and still directorz listing is empty.
[01:37] <CnH> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty main restricted
[01:37] <Arkh> mhhm :/
[01:38] <maxamillion> CnH: yeah, that's good
[01:39] <Arkh> kalikiana|dead_,  how many data are you going to back up?
[01:39] <CnH> and whats the upgrade switch for apt-get again?
[01:39] <maxamillion> CnH: once that is all pointing to feisty repos, save it and then do "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade" or "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" if you prefer apt-get
[01:39] <Arkh> gigs of *
[01:39] <kalikiana|dead_> Arkh, At least 2 (most important), possibly more
[01:40] <Arkh> kalikiana|dead_, it would be easier to do it with 2 linux machines..
[01:40] <CnH> it was already set like that, at least the one in /etc/apt was
[01:40] <kalikiana|dead_> Does anybody know what the samba login on a live cd?
[01:40] <maxamillion> CnH: really? ... are you already running feisty?
[01:40] <CnH> I don't think so
[01:40] <CnH> How would I know
[01:40] <kalikiana|dead_> Arkh: Yeah, but the laptop has not workin linux on it.
[01:40] <Arkh> am I wrong or you need a samba server to get samba working?
[01:41] <maxamillion> CnH: enter "uname -r" in the Terminal and paste its output here
[01:41] <CnH> 2.6.20-12-generic
[01:41] <kalikiana|dead_> Arkh: I have samba, added a share and winxp can get to the login dialog. But I need a user and a pass.
[01:42] <maxamillion> CnH: yeah, you're running feisty ... just need to get the kernel update
[01:42] <CnH> ah, ok
[01:42] <kalikiana|dead_> Arkh: If it works I would use samba instead of ftp.
[01:42] <maxamillion> CnH: the latest is 2.6.20-15-generic
[01:42] <CnH> I thought I had installed the beta release from a few weeks ago, but when I open up Firefox it showed 6.06 docs
[01:42] <maxamillion> CnH: ohhh yeah, the beta didn't have the new docs on it yet
[01:42] <Ezep> feeloader
[01:42] <Ezep> that...
[01:43] <CnH> ok, so I can just do an apt-get update or something like that?
[01:43] <maxamillion> CnH: we hadn't finished writing the feisty docs when the beta image was posted
[01:43] <CnH> no problem, thats why I came here to ask how to do it
[01:43] <maxamillion> CnH: you can use the update-manager if you want ... it works in fesity, but if you prefer you can do "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" (the reason for "dist-upgrade" is because apt see's kernel upgrades as a "dist")
[01:44] <Arkh> kalikiana|dead_, paste your /etcsamba.conf?
[01:44] <CnH> ok, cool
[01:44] <Arkh> /etc/*
[01:45] <kalikiana|dead_> Arkh:  /etc/samba.conf is empty.
[01:46] <Arkh> /etc/samba/samba.conf ?
[01:46] <CnH> should I be worried about 404 errors for 91.189.89.6 80, it looks like its moving to the next one fine but I'm not entirely sure
[01:46] <kalikiana|dead_> Arkh, Nope :(
[01:47] <Arkh> is samba installed? I think so..
[01:47] <kalikiana|dead_> Arkh: The winxp laptop gets until the login dialog. So it must be workin.
[01:47] <kalikiana|dead_> And I installed it.
[01:48] <Arkh> kalikiana|dead_,  do a find / -name samba.conf 2>/dev/null
[01:48] <VR_> !md5sum
[01:48] <ubotu> To verify the integrity of a download, use the md5sum - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM for more
[01:49] <VR_> where are the xubuntu md5sums?
[01:50] <kalikiana|dead_> Arkh: Nothing found.
[01:51] <Arkh> smb.conf?
[01:51] <kalikiana|dead_> Arkh: Ah, just tried smb.conf and found one in /etc/samba!
[01:51] <Arkh> :P
[01:52] <Arkh> paste that!
[01:53] <kalikiana|dead_> Arkh: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16463/
[01:56] <Arkh> kalikiana|dead_,
[01:56] <Arkh> # Un-comment the following and create the netlogon directory for Domain Logons
[01:56] <Arkh> # (you need to configure Samba to act as a domain controller too.)
[01:56] <Arkh> the following lines are commented with an initial ;
[01:56] <Arkh> remove 'em
[01:57] <Arkh> and set the samba folder
[01:57] <Arkh> to /
[01:58] <maxamillion> w00t!
[01:58] <maxamillion> ttyl
[01:59] <Arkh> oh btw
[01:59] <Arkh> uncomment the [profiles]  part too
[01:59] <Arkh> and restart samba
[02:01] <neozen> just so you all know... if you're having problems getting ahold of xubuntu feisty (the cdimage server seems awfully slow from chicago, IL) depaul university has hosted images on a local server
[02:02] <neozen> ..only one requirement.... your IP has to start with 140.192 (they own the whole subnet)
[02:03] <neozen> anyway
[02:03] <neozen> I trust the new release has sparked more interest?
[02:03] <kalikiana|dead_> Arkh: I uncommented home, netlogon and profiles, is that right? I am not sure where to put the /.
[02:04] <Arkh> Path =
[02:04] <Arkh> and then sudo /etc/init-d/samba restart
[02:04] <Arkh> and let's hope RMS help us :)
[02:04] <kalikiana|dead_> Arkh, netlogon or profiles?
[02:05] <Arkh> both ?
[02:05] <kalikiana|dead_> Arkh, Who is RMS? I know only the FSM :)
[02:06] <Arkh> Richard Matthew Stallman
[02:06] <Arkh> :P
[02:07] <kalikiana|dead_> *g
[02:07] <kalikiana|dead_> Arkh, The command to restart was not found / again
[02:07] <Arkh> sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[02:08] <McBeardy> anyone upgrade to the new xubuntu today?
[02:09] <somerville32> Lots of people <g>
[02:09] <McBeardy> any problems?
[02:10] <Arkh> a lot :p
[02:10] <somerville32> None reported so far
[02:10] <McBeardy> any worthwhile differences
[02:10] <somerville32> lots
[02:10] <Arkh> I think I will do a fresh install
[02:11] <Arkh> many people reporting glitches with update
[02:13] <kalikiana|dead_> Arkh, I still need a user and a pass. Tried nobodz, ubuntu and guest. With and without pass.
[02:13] <Arkh> I don't know, never worked with samba shares
[02:13] <Arkh> I usually just make a ftp server on windows
[02:13] <Arkh> and copy the things with gftp
[02:14] <Arkh> but filezilla is not simple to configure..
[02:14] <kalikiana|dead_> somerville32: Do you now how to get samba to work? The xp laptop can not login as I need a username.
[02:15] <kalikiana|dead_> Arkh: Thank you anyways
[02:15] <somerville32> !samba
[02:15] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[02:16] <Arkh> wait kalikiana|dead_
[02:16] <Arkh> do you have two linux live cds ?
[02:17] <kalikiana|dead_> No. If I had I could not backup anyway since the laptop is ntfs.
[02:52] <Ezep> where can i download pkgs to xubuntu
[02:53] <Pumpernickel> packages.ubuntu.com or...
[02:53] <Pumpernickel> !repos
[02:53] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[03:44] <tonyyarusso> Woohoo, I've uploaded more than I downloaded of the Alternate
[03:54] <vidd> there an issue with dl'ing the new version?
[03:54] <vidd> and of course as soon as i ask....the site loads and starts to download!
[04:21] <bradydavis> if i have kubuntu installed how do i install the xubuntu layer ?
[04:22] <bradydavis> this is fro xfce righ t?
[04:23] <Ezep> yeah
[04:25] <bradydavis> lol 182 packages ?
[04:25] <bradydavis> how big ?
[04:26] <bradydavis> After unpacking 366MB of additional disk space will be used.
[04:26] <bradydavis> thats not bad
[04:26] <Ezep> xubuntu weight 1,5 gb
[04:27] <Ezep> and bubuntu 2gb right?
[04:28] <bradydavis> the xubunut-desktop install is only 366mb
[04:28] <bradydavis> on top of kubuntu
[04:28] <bradydavis> /cle3ar
[04:31] <godless> heh
[04:31] <godless> irssi doesn't understand l33tsp34k
[04:41] <bradydavis> neither do i
[05:05] <boris55> is it out?
[05:06] <tonyyarusso> boris55: /topic
[05:07] <boris55> thanks.  is there a server and client edition as well for this?
[05:08] <tonyyarusso> yep
[05:11] <boris55> very good. once the lines clear up. I will download.  has to be one of the busiest days on the net this year.
[05:11] <Howdy125> Anyway to set the desktop icons to single click ?
[05:22] <Tim1> hi
[05:22] <Tim1> im installing xubuntu... but for some reason the installer window (with the progress bar) is really small
[05:23] <Tim1> it wont allow me to resize it. what's up with that?
[05:24] <Tim1> i wont people able to click skip langauge packages
[05:24] <Tim1> *be able
[05:29] <Tim1> its stopped... i cant see what it's doing. does the window just close when it's done?
[05:29] <Tim1> is their an installation log i can trail?
[05:35] <Tim1> i think it's done...
[05:36] <Tim1> thanks for all your help...
[05:44] <Terramel> Urruuuuuuu
[05:44] <Terramel> 91% a gravao do meu CD do Xubuntu
[05:44] <Terramel> 93
[05:44] <Terramel> 94%
[05:44] <Terramel> ;D
[05:44] <Terramel> 97 aehuaehaueaeuehauea
[05:44] <Terramel> ops
[05:44] <Terramel> algo aconteceu
[05:44] <Terramel> e paro em 97% O.o
[05:45] <Terramel> pena q nao tinha o md5 pra baixar >:(
[05:45] <Terramel> vou testar o xubuntu
[05:45] <Terramel> falows ;D
[05:58] <Tmob> anyone tryied upgrading xubuntu from edgy to fiesty with apt?
[06:13] <malnilion> So, anybody seen Grindhouse?
[06:30] <DanaG> Hmmm, when I tried logging into XFCE, it broke my keyboard.
[06:30] <DanaG> It turned arrow keys and home-pgup-pgdn-end into Japanese Input Method keys.
[06:32] <Lord_Maynoth_42> hey
[06:32] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I am playing around on the feisty livecd
[06:32] <Lord_Maynoth_42> its nice!
[06:32] <maxamillion> Lord_Maynoth_42: we try :)
[06:35] <Lord_Maynoth_42> having a little trouble though
[06:35] <Lord_Maynoth_42> how do I unmount a disk
[06:35] <Lord_Maynoth_42> so I can gpart it
[06:37] <maxamillion> Lord_Maynoth_42: you mean the target hard drive you want to install on?
[06:37] <Lord_Maynoth_42> yes I tryed to resize it but it says it cannot because its mounted
[06:38] <fluffyashes> anyone up for a quick answer to a relatively short question?
[06:39] <maxamillion> Lord_Maynoth_42: right, you will be given the chance to do that with gparted during the installation ... just double click the install icon on the desktop and go with it and when it gets to the partition section select to do it manually and it will bring up gparted and allow you to edit that hard drive as you please
[06:39] <maxamillion> !ask | fluffyashes
[06:39] <ubotu> fluffyashes: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[06:39] <fluffyashes> :P ok thanks
[06:39] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I needed to backup some data first though
[06:39] <Lord_Maynoth_42> before the install
[06:39] <Lord_Maynoth_42> is that possible
[06:39] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I wanted to chop the drive in half
[06:40] <Lord_Maynoth_42> and put the backup data on the spare partition
[06:40] <fluffyashes> every so often mmyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy computer does this tttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttthhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhing (just did it) where it freezes for a
[06:40] <maxamillion> fluffyashes: please use pastbin for things like that
[06:40] <Lord_Maynoth_42> lol
[06:40] <fluffyashes> well i was just asking the question and it did that
[06:40] <maxamillion> Lord_Maynoth_42: ohhh ok ... well then can you pastebin the results of the command "cat /etc/fstab" for me?
[06:41] <maxamillion> fluffyashes: ohhh ok
[06:41] <maxamillion> fluffyashes: huh ... that's strange
[06:41] <maxamillion> like ... probably one of the strangest things i have ever seen
[06:41] <Lord_Maynoth_42> !pastebin
[06:41] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:41] <fluffyashes> using pastebin from now on since its becoming hard to type
[06:41] <Lord_Maynoth_42> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16491/
[06:42] <maxamillion> !botsnack
[06:42] <ubotu> Yum!
[06:42] <maxamillion> Lord_Maynoth_42: k, just a moment
[06:42] <Lord_Maynoth_42> thankies
[06:42] <Lord_Maynoth_42> !botsmack
[06:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about botsmack - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:42] <Lord_Maynoth_42> :D
[06:42] <maxamillion> lol
[06:42] <Lord_Maynoth_42> wow even the livecd is sooo much faster than gnome
[06:42] <maxamillion> Lord_Maynoth_42: uhmm... strange ... what /dev/ listing does gparted give for the hard drive?
[06:43] <Lord_Maynoth_42> why um doesn't ubuntu use xfce by default?
[06:44] <Lord_Maynoth_42> its /dev/sda1
[06:44] <maxamillion> Lord_Maynoth_42: lots of reasons ... but the main one is generally that the gnome developers see their target user as "stupid" and thus try to make the desktop environment do as much as it can for them without completely taking them over
[06:45] <maxamillion> Lord_Maynoth_42: well ... no, i take that back ... i think the main reason they use gnome is becuase gnome mixes well with windows networks because it has full samba support for file server shares and printer shares
[06:45] <Lord_Maynoth_42> ahh
[06:45] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I like speed
[06:45] <maxamillion> Lord_Maynoth_42: anyhoo ... run "sudo umount /dev/sda1" in the terminal and then edit the device with gparted as desired
[06:45] <Lord_Maynoth_42> DOH
[06:45] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I am retard
[06:45] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I am retard
[06:45] <Lord_Maynoth_42> omfg
[06:45] <Lord_Maynoth_42> lol
[06:46] <Lord_Maynoth_42> the unmount button
[06:46] <Lord_Maynoth_42> was right there
[06:46] <Lord_Maynoth_42> LOL
[06:46] <Lord_Maynoth_42> sry
[06:46] <Lord_Maynoth_42> :D
[06:46] <maxamillion> Lord_Maynoth_42: as do i ... i actually like using xfce simply because i enjoy it better than anything else
[06:46] <maxamillion> Lord_Maynoth_42: no worries, thus is life ... we all have moments of mental lapse
[06:47] <fluffyashes> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16493/
[06:47] <Lord_Maynoth_42> woah
[06:47] <Lord_Maynoth_42> thats weird
[06:47] <Lord_Maynoth_42> It is magically remounting it
[06:47] <Lord_Maynoth_42> *_*
[06:48] <maxamillion> Lord_Maynoth_42: might be udev or hal taking over
[06:49] <fluffyashes> on a separate note has anyone gotten e17 to work with ubuntu? i tried it with gentoo before i switched.... i had always liked xbuntu the best of the ubuntus....
[06:49] <fluffyashes> maxamillion: when you get a sec will you look at my pastebin?
[06:50] <maxamillion> fluffyashes: yeah, i'm looking at it now ... i really don't see anything in there that is causing a problem though ...
[06:51] <Lord_Maynoth_42> :/
[06:51] <fluffyashes> yeah anythign else i could send to you to give you an idea?
[06:51] <Lord_Maynoth_42> can I start teh install
[06:51] <Lord_Maynoth_42> and then quit it
[06:51] <Lord_Maynoth_42> after I get it resized
[06:51] <maxamillion> fluffyashes: pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[06:51] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I can't to seem to get it to unmount
[06:52] <maxamillion> Lord_Maynoth_42: yeah, you should be able to quit after the partition resize ... but i have to ask first, did you defragment your windows side?
[06:52] <Lord_Maynoth_42> no windows side
[06:52] <Lord_Maynoth_42> its ext3
[06:52] <Lord_Maynoth_42> old ubuntu install
[06:52] <Lord_Maynoth_42> edgy
[06:53] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I've got my windows drive unplugged
[06:54] <fluffyashes> gah my log is huge sorry: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16495/
[06:54] <Lord_Maynoth_42> thats what I said
[06:55] <fluffyashes> that's what she said
[06:55] <maxamillion> Lord_Maynoth_42: oohhhhh ok
[06:55] <Lord_Maynoth_42> she said she had a huge log? o_0
[06:55] <fluffyashes> lol yeah
[06:55] <Lord_Maynoth_42> hjahahaa
[06:56] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I am loving this new system
[06:56] <fluffyashes> the new ubuntu? i'm still using feisty fawn
[06:56] <Lord_Maynoth_42> its a amd 65nm x2 3600+ dualcore
[06:56] <fluffyashes> ohhh
[06:56] <fluffyashes> lol
[06:56] <Lord_Maynoth_42> and I got amd690 mobo
[06:56] <fluffyashes> amd x2 4400+ here
[06:56] <Lord_Maynoth_42> sweet
[06:57] <fluffyashes> i tried running xp x64 but it freezes
[06:57] <fluffyashes> xp runs fine tho
[06:57] <maxamillion> amd64 3200+ here ....
[06:57] <fluffyashes> and i had a good install of gentoo x64 but i broke it cause i'm a tard
[06:57] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I only paid $65 for the cpu, $60 for 1GB ddr2-800, and $60 for the mobo...
[06:57] <maxamillion> single core :(
[06:57] <maxamillion> but i have an amd64 x2 4600+ at work :)
[06:57] <fluffyashes> haha
[06:58] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I got a whole new dualcore system for the price of a intel C2D
[06:58] <Lord_Maynoth_42> sweet
[06:58] <fluffyashes> i have a turionx2 broken on my floor
[06:58] <Lord_Maynoth_42> :c
[06:58] <maxamillion> fluffyashes: ouch
[06:58] <maxamillion> i built this machine on a budget last summer ... it does everything i need it to so i'm too hard on it
[06:58] <fluffyashes> yeah i have to send it in to warrenty.... my cpu fan works fine but wont EVER turn on
[06:59] <fluffyashes> i took out out and plugged it up to a steady power supply and it worked.. i checked the connections on my mobo they work... seems theres some broken relay
[06:59] <CnH> does xfce support moving focus to whatever is under the mouse?
[06:59] <Lord_Maynoth_42> would you guys upgrade to 2GB of ram if your only gonna run xp xubuntu
[06:59] <maxamillion> CnH: not sure
[06:59] <Lord_Maynoth_42> do games really need more than 1GB
[06:59] <fluffyashes> lol yes
[06:59] <fluffyashes> some do
[06:59] <Lord_Maynoth_42> :/
[07:00] <fluffyashes> i have 4 right now and i was just playing wow and it messes up a little with full graphics + scrolling combat text
[07:00] <fluffyashes> plus of course it messes up with the AoE spells too
[07:00] <fluffyashes> and my video card is a geforce 6600 gt so i dont think tht's the problem
[07:01] <Lord_Maynoth_42> is the partioner in the installer non-destructive
[07:01] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I did not check the format box
[07:01] <fluffyashes> i'm so tired of googling errors that i decided to come here for a change... you can always find your answers with google its just that it takes too long lol
[07:01] <Lord_Maynoth_42> did you hear fluffy
[07:01] <fluffyashes> hmmm?
[07:02] <fluffyashes> i'm not realy sure i havent touched the new ubuntu yet still trying to get the kinks out of this feisty fawn
[07:02] <Lord_Maynoth_42> the worlds first quantum computer was built by nasa and a candian company called dwave systems
[07:02] <Lord_Maynoth_42> and in switzerland a group of researchers has successfully created a rat brain inside a supercomputer
[07:02] <fluffyashes> a long time ago i heard about a russian company who daisy chained like 32 celerons and water cooled them and made the fastest computer....ever. lol
[07:02] <maxamillion> Lord_Maynoth_42: in gparted the yellow part has data and the white doesn't ...i think it warns you if move past the yellow
[07:03] <fluffyashes> but now my roommate has a 12 procsesor sun system downstairs
[07:03] <maxamillion> fluffyashes: what!?!@?$!^
[07:03] <maxamillion> but at the same time ... i don't know what i would do with all that power
[07:04] <fluffyashes> yeah i would be asking him for help but he's asleep :P plus he makes fun of me for making stupid mistakes
[07:04] <Lord_Maynoth_42> i think my drive has errors
[07:04] <fluffyashes> full rack downstairs lol
[07:04] <Lord_Maynoth_42> how do I test it
[07:04] <maxamillion> fluffyashes: wow ... that's rock-tastic
[07:04] <fluffyashes> sounds like a dang helecoptor when hte fans are on
[07:04] <maxamillion> i don't doubtit
[07:04] <maxamillion> doubt it*
[07:04] <maxamillion> how much you pay in electric bills?
[07:04] <maxamillion> jeebus ... i couldn't imagine
[07:04] <fluffyashes> to test your drive you can use SMART or you can use fsck depending on the part-type
[07:04] <maxamillion> i don't even run this thing 24/7
[07:05] <Lord_Maynoth_42> yeah google is investing heavily in AI and magnetically contained fusion
[07:05] <maxamillion> fluffyashes: its ext3 ... i vote fsck :)
[07:05] <Lord_Maynoth_42> we might just see the rise of skynet
[07:05] <Lord_Maynoth_42> :D
[07:05] <maxamillion> jeebus no
[07:05] <fluffyashes> well we lucked out and got a deal where we pay 86 bucks a month for ALL utilities
[07:05] <maxamillion> i would personally go slap google
[07:05] <Lord_Maynoth_42> haha
[07:05] <Lord_Maynoth_42> maybe the jedi will save us
[07:05] <maxamillion> fluffyashes: WHAT@#$! ... how'd you pull that off?
[07:05] <fluffyashes> what our landlord doesnt know is that over the summer we wasted like a billion gallons of water refilling an outdoor pool 10 times
[07:05] <Lord_Maynoth_42> you guys wanna see something that will blow your mind
[07:06] <maxamillion> Lord_Maynoth_42: if they can get here in time ... lightspeed isn't _that_ fast
[07:06] <maxamillion> fluffyashes: lol
[07:06] <maxamillion> Lord_Maynoth_42: always
[07:06] <Lord_Maynoth_42> http://youtube.com/watch?v=yXwiB12-gp4
[07:06] <fluffyashes> he's so freaking rich he doesnt notice
[07:06] <Lord_Maynoth_42> this is absolutely real
[07:06] <fluffyashes> hey if skynet takes over at least we know that john connor will save us
[07:07] <fluffyashes> and claire danes too :P
[07:07] <fluffyashes> i wouldnt count on the governator
[07:08] <maxamillion> and gnash doesn't support youtube just yet
[07:08] <fluffyashes> STILL
[07:08] <fluffyashes> omg i had that problem a year ago with my 64 bit install
[07:08] <fluffyashes> that's the REASON I switched back to x86
[07:08] <Lord_Maynoth_42> you can watch this guy stop bullets with his hands
[07:08] <Lord_Maynoth_42> and light an LED light
[07:08] <Lord_Maynoth_42> the scientists just scratch their heads
[07:09] <fluffyashes> the intro of this video is killing me
[07:09] <fluffyashes> you know i think i found a way to get around that 64 bit flash problem in gentoo i dont remember it tho lol i think it was using 32 bit opera
[07:10] <fluffyashes> so this dynamo jack guy is an anime character in the irl world..... minus the big eyes
[07:12] <fluffyashes> i know what it is! He's the amino ginji
[07:12] <fluffyashes> (i can't spell japanese)
[07:12] <maxamillion> fluffyashes: well they are supposed to release a youtube capable version of gnash by the end of the year ... apparently gnash has been getting alot more attention since adobe screwed with the license and it can't be in the repos anymore
[07:12] <fluffyashes> i cannot believe adobe absorbed macromedia
[07:12] <maxamillion> fluffyashes: yeah, you can run 32-bit firefox on amd64 ... i would just rather not
[07:12] <fluffyashes> this after corel stole jasc
[07:13] <fluffyashes> its bad enough they had that horrible office suite lol
[07:13] <maxamillion> fluffyashes: i can, i always say adobe as one of those companies that couldn't be killed so would just slowly start buying out other companies to make themselves larger
[07:13] <Lord_Maynoth_42> he is jedi... in every sense of the word... George Lucas ripped off the concept of the force from Nei Kung (neigong) and Chi Kung (qigong)
[07:13] <fluffyashes> qigong jin!
[07:13] <Lord_Maynoth_42> yes
[07:13] <fluffyashes> lol why am i such a nerd... lol
[07:14] <fluffyashes> im in an ubuntu chatroom talking about computer companies, star wars, anime.......
[07:14] <CnH> and what's wrong with that?
[07:14] <fluffyashes> wearing a Penny-Arcade shirt lol
[07:14] <fluffyashes> it makes me uber uber weird
[07:14] <fluffyashes> it would be normal if i were male
[07:14] <Lord_Maynoth_42> haha bleach the anime is awesome
[07:14] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I think naruto is out
[07:14] <Lord_Maynoth_42> :D
[07:15] <fluffyashes> well as far as im concerned as soon as its licensed and dubbed in america it looses all of its charm
[07:15] <maxamillion> fluffyashes: my fiance wears my old "bow before me for i am root" t-shirt ... makes me smile
[07:15] <fluffyashes> haha lol
[07:15] <fluffyashes> i get tired of explaining my t-shirtsw
[07:15] <Lord_Maynoth_42> yeah it would me also
[07:15] <fluffyashes> esp my Jack Thompson one
[07:15] <Lord_Maynoth_42> man this celibacy thing is killing me
[07:15] <Lord_Maynoth_42> LOL
[07:15] <fluffyashes> WELCOME TO THE CLUB lol
[07:16] <fluffyashes> the naruto/one peice voices are the absolute worst i have ever heard
[07:16] <Lord_Maynoth_42> well... I am honestly pursuing the path of nei kung
[07:16] <fluffyashes> i just quit being a slut
[07:16] <Lord_Maynoth_42> it deals with the power of nuclear fusion like inside stars.. and gravity like from black holes
[07:16] <fluffyashes> i just like grew out of it and hit this whole committment stage or something
[07:16] <Lord_Maynoth_42> yin and yang
[07:16] <CnH> What was the name of the guy who directed the first to X-Men movies?
[07:17] <CnH> two
[07:17] <maxamillion> fluffyashes: naruto is horrible ... actually the only english translated anime's i really liked the voices in were cowboy bebop and samurai champloo and its the same people
[07:17] <Lord_Maynoth_42> omg bleach is awesome though
[07:17] <Lord_Maynoth_42> :D
[07:17] <fluffyashes> bryan singer
[07:17] <fluffyashes> at least it wasnt uwe boll
[07:17] <Lord_Maynoth_42> hey max... do you know how to check a disk for errors
[07:17] <Lord_Maynoth_42> ?
[07:17] <fluffyashes> fsck
[07:17] <CnH> yeah, my wife wanted to ask him if he had done the third movie if he would have used all the transvestites
[07:17] <Lord_Maynoth_42> doh
[07:17] <Lord_Maynoth_42> :D
[07:17] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I knew that
[07:18] <fluffyashes> well the animes i have watched FIRST in english are usually ok for me in english
[07:18] <maxamillion> Lord_Maynoth_42: "sudo fsck /dev/hda1"
[07:18] <maxamillion> err.. you might not even need sudo ... don't remember
[07:18] <fluffyashes> like inuyasha is still tolerable cowboy bebop, all gundams, outlaw star, cowboy bebop....etc etc
[07:18] <fluffyashes> it's dangerous to check a mounted filesystem also
[07:18] <fluffyashes> it will warn you about that if it is mounted
[07:18] <Lord_Maynoth_42> i do a sudo unmount /dev/sda1 before that right?
[07:18] <maxamillion> oooo, LOVE gundam and outlaw star
[07:19] <fluffyashes> i'm weird cause my favorite gundams are Wing and G....no one likes G....i liked it cause it was different
[07:19] <fluffyashes> plus some of the gundams were weird as ..... well weird.
[07:19] <maxamillion> yeah... i only liked Wing
[07:19] <fluffyashes> seen endless waltz?
[07:20] <maxamillion> ZOMG it was awesome
[07:20] <maxamillion> i have it on a bootlegg dvd around here somewhere (i didn't bootlegg it, friend gave it to me .... not that i wouldn't, i'm just too lazy)
[07:20] <fluffyashes> if you're trying to check sda1 yeah unmount it with that command first
[07:21] <fluffyashes> haha i bought it when it came out years ago
[07:21] <Lord_Maynoth_42> haha
[07:21] <Lord_Maynoth_42> that did it
[07:21] <Lord_Maynoth_42> :D
[07:21] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I had to sudo gparted
[07:21] <Lord_Maynoth_42> to make it work
[07:21] <Lord_Maynoth_42> the launcher doesn't give it root permision
[07:21] <fluffyashes> i used to have a model i built of death sythe but my roommates dog ate it
[07:21] <fluffyashes> you know you can use gksudo right?
[07:21] <fluffyashes> \lol
[07:22] <Lord_Maynoth_42> yeah
[07:22] <fluffyashes> i have problems not using the gui
[07:22] <Lord_Maynoth_42> :D
[07:22] <fluffyashes> even when something is easier in the terminal i use the gui
[07:22] <fluffyashes> i use cfdisk instead of fdisk
[07:22] <fluffyashes> gedit over nano (even tho i'm using xfce)
[07:22] <maxamillion> fluffyashes: i pre-ordered 2 copies of ff7:advent children .... that's stellar but the english voice overs aren't so good because the readers mess up a few of the important lines about the buster sword
[07:22] <maxamillion> fluffyashes: gvim (vim-gtk package)
[07:22] <maxamillion> :)
[07:23] <fluffyashes> ok so i definately got that one off the internets when it came out in japan
[07:23] <agcrouton> howdy
[07:23] <Lord_Maynoth_42> do you think there are any females out their that long to become a real jedi...
[07:23] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I mean its not something you can really put in a singles ad
[07:23] <fluffyashes> i actually like gedit .... i dunno why... probably because the first linux i used was red hat 7.0
[07:23] <Lord_Maynoth_42> lol
[07:24] <Lord_Maynoth_42> single white male seeks female jedi training partner
[07:24] <fluffyashes> do you want jedi or sith
[07:24] <fluffyashes> lol
[07:24] <Lord_Maynoth_42> well actually
[07:24] <fluffyashes> that red lightsaber is pretty awesome
[07:24] <Lord_Maynoth_42> more like a grey jedi
[07:24] <agcrouton> question: is there a vncserver preinstalled with xubuntu, as there is with ubuntu/gnome?
[07:24] <maxamillion> fluffyashes: lol ... the first linux i used was redhat 7.0 also :)
[07:25] <fluffyashes> did you see the cartoon network star wars thing?  the female sith there was pretty awesome
[07:25] <maxamillion> fluffyashes: still have the deluxe workstation boxed set on my bookshelf
[07:25] <fluffyashes> hahaha i got it from my college my freshman year....
[07:25] <fluffyashes> considering red hat corporate headquarters are about 2 miles from me
[07:25] <maxamillion> nice ... i'm a third year college student right now
[07:25] <maxamillion> cd major
[07:25] <maxamillion> nice!
[07:25] <maxamillion> cs major*
[07:25] <Lord_Maynoth_42> CD?
[07:25] <Lord_Maynoth_42> ahh
[07:25] <maxamillion> comp sci
[07:25] <Lord_Maynoth_42> cool
[07:25] <fluffyashes> computer engineering here
[07:25] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I am teaching myself java..
[07:25] <maxamillion> fluffyashes: cool cool
[07:25] <Lord_Maynoth_42> via textbooks
[07:25] <Lord_Maynoth_42> :D
[07:26] <fluffyashes> unforunately i'm only mediocre at programming and electrical....
[07:26] <maxamillion> Lord_Maynoth_42: good language to start with ... its relatively safe ;)
[07:26] <fluffyashes> java is pretty fun i liked it
[07:26] <fluffyashes> much better than C++ but i was upset i never learned C
[07:26] <Lord_Maynoth_42> yeah... I like the fact you only have write a program once... and it will run on anything
[07:26] <maxamillion> fluffyashes: i am aiming to be really good at programming, but its an uphill battle ... i'm in a compiler class right now and its uber hard
[07:26] <fluffyashes> silly NC State required java instead of C
[07:26] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I live in warne nc
[07:26] <Lord_Maynoth_42> lol
[07:26] <Lord_Maynoth_42> we have a gas station
[07:26] <fluffyashes> i still write my arrays manually
[07:27] <Lord_Maynoth_42> and post office
[07:27] <fluffyashes> warren co?
[07:27] <maxamillion> fluffyashes: yeah ... java has kinda taken over as the standard ... i prefer C over C++, and on linux for userspace coding or prototyping i like python
[07:27] <Lord_Maynoth_42> no
[07:27] <maxamillion> fluffyashes: ooo, no no ... use python ... the list data type will save you alot of typing
[07:27] <CnH> I work with plsql and pro*c on a vms system
[07:27] <s|k> heh
[07:27] <Lord_Maynoth_42> well actually I am over the Ga border by a hair..
[07:27] <fluffyashes> array.list will too but i'm retarded
[07:27] <s|k> I haven't updated in two months
[07:27] <s|k> 200mb
[07:27] <Lord_Maynoth_42> but warne nc is the closest town
[07:27] <maxamillion> oh hey .... can we all move to #xubuntu-offtopic?
[07:27] <s|k> of updates to download
[07:27] <s|k> heh
[07:27] <s|k> I thought xubuntu was 'light'
[07:27] <Lord_Maynoth_42> its like 40 miles to the nearest grocery store
[07:28] <Lord_Maynoth_42> lol
[07:28] <maxamillion> s|k: it is in comparison to ubuntu ;)
[07:28] <Lord_Maynoth_42> i did
[07:28] <fluffyashes> well when you want to have a miracle thought on my problem tell me over there lol
[07:28] <s|k> Im thinking about fluxbox
[07:28] <fluffyashes> gnome and kde are huge
[07:28] <s|k> :|
[07:28] <fluffyashes> E is very very light
[07:28] <fluffyashes> same with backbox
[07:28] <fluffyashes> i prefered flux over blackbox tho
[07:28] <maxamillion> ---> #xubuntu-offtopic please :)
[07:28] <Lord_Maynoth_42> im there man...
[07:28] <Lord_Maynoth_42> :D
[07:29] <maxamillion> Lord_Maynoth_42: no you're not ...
[07:29] <maxamillion> i'm there
[07:29] <Lord_Maynoth_42> you sent me to xubuntu-offtopic?
[07:29] <Lord_Maynoth_42> hahah
[07:30] <fluffyashes> xfce is my favorite over the default ubuntu distros: ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu
[07:30] <william_> agcrouton: just download one
[07:50] <s|k> gorgeous goose
[07:50] <s|k> is next
[07:50] <s|k> jk
[07:50] <s|k> no idea what's next
[07:51] <s|k> grotesque greasemonkey
[07:51] <fluffyashes> gutsy gibbon
[07:51] <s|k> really?
[07:51] <s|k> heh
[07:52] <fluffyashes> its scheduled for oct apparently
[07:52] <s|k> heh
[07:52] <s|k> the next version of ubuntu is comming out before the next season of bsg
[07:52] <s|k> :(
[07:53] <s|k> ohhh I hate the downtime between seasons
[07:53] <s|k> :(
[08:11] <SaveTheRbtz> Where can I find "Whats new in Xubuntu 7.04" list?
[08:26] <atarinox> s|k: plenty of shows to hold you over
[08:28] <Tmob> xfce's compositing is terribly slow for me.. takes like 1-2 secs to switch windows with an ATI x700
[08:29] <Tmob> i just upgraded to feist
[08:29] <Tmob> anyone know how to fix this?
[08:35] <atarinox> so has anyone tried upgrading to feisty? is it worth waiting awhile til the bugs are sorted?
[08:44] <ubuntu_> can anyone help me
[08:44] <ubuntu_> I keep trying to partion a drive using gparted
[08:44] <ubuntu_> but it tells me it is allready mounted
[08:47] <shenmue> are there any xfce version 4.4.1 packages for xubuntu now?
[08:49] <ubuntu_> The following operation could not be applied to disk:
[08:49] <ubuntu_> Create Primary Partition #1 (fat32, 29.29 GiB) on /dev/sda
[08:52] <ubuntu_> :c
[09:01] <Merchelo> any error?
[09:39] <McMadd> I'm currently upgrading to 7.04. Does anybody know if there are any improvements in accessing Samba shares in this version? Can't find anything in the release notes about it.
[09:41] <McMadd> For 6.10 I used this tutorial: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=304131
[09:41] <McMadd> I was hoping it was integrated in the latest release. It lacks accessing password protected shares...
[09:47] <kma> HALP!
[09:47] <kma> :)
[09:47] <kma> I just did a small testing thingie..
[09:47] <kma> apt-get install debfoster
[09:48] <kma> apt-get remove debfoster
[09:48] <kma> that gives debfoster the status of rc (removed, config-files) how do I clean the config files easy?
[09:50] <Catoptromancy> is there another way to install the upgrade to feisty? Update manager has failed 4 times.
[09:54] <kma> found it :\
[10:01] <McMadd> Catoptromancy: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading
[10:08] <Catoptromancy> appears i needed new update manager
[10:41] <commonlyUNIQU3> hello all!
[10:42] <commonlyUNIQU3> just installed 7.04 on an old P3 laptop w/ 128MB of memory (using Gnome)... with so little memory, is it worth it to switch to xfce?
[10:42] <commonlyUNIQU3> will I notice any better performance?
[10:43] <kma> hehu.. the required memory for ubuntu is 286mb of memory last time I checked :)
[10:43] <kma> commonlyUNIQU3: I recommend xfce over gnome anyday :)
[10:43] <kma> 256 :\
[10:44] <Merchelo> xfce 4 life
[10:44] <commonlyUNIQU3> hmmm, it's running fine on 128, just S L O W
[10:44] <commonlyUNIQU3> lol
[10:44] <commonlyUNIQU3> I am on the Xubuntu channel after all...
[10:45] <kma> I use xfce on modern hardware as well.. I hate wasting resources :)
[10:45] <Merchelo> give xfce a shot, there's nothing to lose, and even if that runs slow, use fluxbox, and if that runs slow...
[10:45] <commonlyUNIQU3> I can just run an apt-get install xubuntu-desktop to get all the goodies right?
[10:46] <commonlyUNIQU3> how about gnome and/or kde apps? do they still work?
[10:46] <stibs> I recommend loading the Gnome infrastructure at xfce start though (needs more memory but adds convenience)
[10:46] <stibs> so all Gnome apps will work
[10:47] <stibs> especially on a notebook gnome-power-manager is unbeatable
[10:47] <commonlyUNIQU3> If I already have a (gnome) ubuntu install, can I just apt-get install xubuntu-desktop & try it out
[10:48] <commonlyUNIQU3> then apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop?
[10:48] <stibs> I think so ... Slackware/xfce 4.4.1 here
[10:48] <commonlyUNIQU3> ah, well I'll give it a try anyways
[10:48] <stibs> (usually ... atm. suse/kde for completing a software test)
[10:49] <commonlyUNIQU3> well, thanks for the chat
[10:49] <grazie> commonlyUNIQU3: you can just insall xubuntu-desktop package to everything in xubuntu yes best this toute will not give you the best possible performance
[10:50] <commonlyUNIQU3> how can I get better performance?
[10:50] <grazie> commonlyUNIQU3: also removing ubuntu-desktop can be problematic. I'd recommend a clean install of xubuntu if possible
[10:51] <commonlyUNIQU3> eek!  I just got done with a clean install & troubleshooting the wifi connection!!!
[10:51] <commonlyUNIQU3> I'd hate to start over...
[10:51] <Merchelo> or use synaptic package manager to remove, add stuff.
[10:52] <commonlyUNIQU3> if gnome/ubuntu has a 256mb requirement, what is xfce/xubuntu?
[10:52] <grazie> commonlyUNIQU3: ok. just add the xubuntu-desktop then...but it will not be quite a good as a clean install. oncey your happy with xubuntu (I sure you will be) you look at clean install later
[10:53] <commonlyUNIQU3> ^ as long as everything works
[10:53] <grazie> commonlyUNIQU3: minimum is supposed to be 64mb, but for half decent performance you need 128mb
[10:54] <commonlyUNIQU3> which is what this old betsy has
[10:54] <commonlyUNIQU3> 61.9MB of archives being downloaded now1
[10:54] <commonlyUNIQU3> !
[10:55] <commonlyUNIQU3> stibs: what's this "Gnome Infrastructure" you recommend loading at startup?
[10:55] <commonlyUNIQU3> is it installed with xubuntu-desktop?
[10:56] <stibs> gnome-volume-manager, gnome-power-manager, gnome-system-tools and dependencies
[10:57] <stibs> no, I think it's not installed by default from the xubuntu CD
[10:57] <stibs> but if you already have a working Gome install, you already have it
[10:57] <commonlyUNIQU3> stibs: k, thanks
[10:57] <commonlyUNIQU3> stibs: I'll check 'em out...
[10:57] <stibs> in xfce control center you can configurae in Startup that it loads the Gnome environment
[10:58] <commonlyUNIQU3> the laptop is apt-getting some xfce goodness (which will take a while), and I'm tired so I'm off!
[10:58] <commonlyUNIQU3> thanks all for the help...
[10:59] <commonlyUNIQU3> I've been using linux for a year solid now (mostly all gnome - didn't like kde at all), this will be my first venture into the xfce enviro - wish me luck!
[11:00] <commonlyUNIQU3> cheers
[11:04] <stibs> grazie: UK?
[11:09] <grazie> stibs: yeah. you too?
[11:09] <stibs> nah, Germany =)
[11:10] <stibs> one of those humor-less dudes ... lol
[11:11] <Merchelo> germans can be funny too,
[11:11] <grazie> that corrects incorrect English spelling :)
[11:11] <stibs> hehe
[11:12] <_aussieman> my vlc only opens in some widget thing mode and i cant configure it back to the normal skin i haave removed it and reinstalled but it sil comes back in the horrible widget and sheel mode which doesnt work properly - any ieas?
[11:12] <stibs> rm -rf .vlc
[11:12] <_aussieman> thanks
[11:13] <_aussieman> yippee stibs thanks mate
[11:16] <grazie> _aussieman: that's a very big present :)
[11:16] <stibs> hehe ... I'm on 768 K dsl ... no go while fetching xubuntu ;)
[11:17] <stibs> but thx anyway =)
[11:17] <Merchelo> what is it?
[11:17] <stibs> looks like a concert video
[11:18] <grazie> Paris - Roubaix...one the great cycling races
[11:19] <Merchelo> oh, so it's not porn.
[11:19] <grazie> afraid not....could be a good code name though
[11:20] <_aussieman> grazie, correct won by my mate stuart o'grady
[11:22] <grazie> _aussieman: your mate! I'm honoured
[11:25] <stibs> hmmm, let's see how xubuntu performs on the old box (Athlon 1100 XP/ 512 MB) compared to Slack/XFCE
[11:28] <grazie>  stibs what's slack/xfce like? I thought slack liked to stick with kde
[11:28] <stibs> grazie: http://saxenos.de
[11:32] <stibs> Patrick includes KDE and XFCE and I made my own distro =)
[11:33] <stibs> but I'm thinking about switching the base to Ubuntu (though I don't like it too well personally) ... it's accepted far more than slack
[11:35] <shenmue> stibs: xubuntu 7.04 installed OK?
[11:36] <grazie> stibs: I've never tried slack because of the lack of a package manager and I thought kde was pretty well tied to the distro. However, I'm having too many kernel lockups and resets so I'm looking at trying other good stable kernels
[11:36] <stibs> not yet, installer runs from a usb 1.1 connected drive, so it's very slow
[11:37] <stibs> grazie: Slackware has different package managers (graphical with dependency tracking), best ist slapt-get/gslapt ... I use the Netpkg tool from Zenwalk
[11:39] <stibs> but I'd wait until Slack 12 is out, won't take long, you'll get Xorg 7.2 then
[11:39] <stibs> there are no decent xorg 7.2 packages for Slack yet
[11:41] <stibs> (another reason to try xubuntu ;)
[11:42] <grazie> stibs: really want to get a stable kernel on my x86 box asap without having to build my own from vanilla sources
[11:43] <stibs> hmmm, test SaxenOS in a VM if it's stable enough for you (2.6.18.6)
[11:44] <shenmue> stibs: slapt-get is just like apt-get in Debian/Ubuntu?
[11:44] <stibs> right, syntax: slapt-get --install package
[11:44] <stibs> the two dashes are required in slack
[11:45] <Unspeaking> Hey, I was wondering if someone could help me with a problem I'm having with installing Ubuntu
[11:45] <stibs> http://software.jaos.org is slapt-get homepage
[11:46] <grazie> stibs: think there must be something problematic with my x86 boxes hardware...not figured out what it is though
[11:46] <grazie> stibs: so SaxenOS is your work?
[11:46] <stibs> hmmm ... could happen, I have a user who posts a problem daily ... lol
[11:46] <stibs> yep grazie
[11:47] <grazie> stibs: well done....I'm just downloading know
[11:47] <stibs> =)
[11:47] <Unspeaking> When I boot up to the Ubuntu dashboard, I click " Install/start Ubuntu ". It then loads up the kernal and then my PC restarts. I've tried every option on the disc, and still it happens. This has happened with both version 6.06 and 7.04 - Any suggestions?
[11:47] <TommyTom> hi having a problem installing xbuntu 7.06 to a raid array. get error formating my ext3 and mounting to /
[11:48] <grazie> Unspeaking: how much ram?
[11:48] <Unspeaking> 512
[11:48] <TheSheep> Unspeaking: did you try to press f6 and add acpi=off noapic nolapic, etc. to the boot parameters?
[11:49] <Unspeaking> No sir. I would consider myself quite Linux illiterate, to say the least I have had some experience with Mandriva, but only briefly
[11:50] <TheSheep> Unspeaking: if you press f1, then there is some help on some options that might possibly work -- unfortunately, it's mostly trial and error
[11:50] <TheSheep> Unspeaking: also, checking the cd fro defects might save yuo some time
[11:50] <TheSheep> for
[11:50] <Unspeaking> I've tried that too, and it restarts my computer.
[11:51] <TheSheep> fun
[11:51] <Unspeaking> The only option that works, is the boot to hard disc ( I think is the name ) and it boots up my current OS
[11:51] <TheSheep> Unspeaking: well, then try that f6 thing
[11:51] <Unspeaking> I'll go give it a try and check out the options
[11:52] <Unspeaking> As to what Sheep said, is there anything else I need to do
[11:52] <Unspeaking> Press f6 > type in " acpi=off noapic nolapic "
[11:52] <Unspeaking> Is there anything else from there?
[11:52] <stibs> maybe (if you have a buggy bios) add irqpoll
[11:53] <stibs> hahaha ... xubuntu install froze at 50%
[11:54] <stibs> I guess I'll have to do the same like you
[11:54] <TheSheep> stibs: on 'updating anthy'?
[11:54] <TheSheep> stibs: or on kernel installing?
[11:55] <TheSheep> stibs: alternate or live? how much ram?
[11:56] <stibs> live on buggy old hardware TheSheep
[11:56] <stibs> while installing
[11:57] <stibs> 512 MB
[11:58] <stibs> the box freezes from time to time processing large files like squashed images, I know this quite well. at second or third try it usually works =)
[12:00] <stibs> it's either the usb or the ram chips that are broken
[12:06] <stibs> lunch
[12:07] <grazie> a bit offtopic but i'm sure someone on the channel will know. I want to add an arrow to point to a place on a map image. What 's the easiet way using gimp or another  application?
[12:08] <NearTotalN00b> Hello!
[12:08] <NearTotalN00b> Perhaps I should change my handle...
[12:09] <NearTotalN00b> Anyway, I've had some upgrade problems.
[12:10] <NearTotalN00b> I've upgraded from 6.10 (Edgy) to 7.04 (Feisty), and it's not gone smoothly.
[12:11] <Cygnet> ruh roh
[12:11] <Cygnet> what happened?
[12:11] <NearTotalN00b> Well, the Xfce environment keeps crashing.
[12:11] <NearTotalN00b> So I did an apt-get to install Gnome, for the time being.
[12:12] <Cygnet> what prompts the crashes? can you tell?
[12:12] <NearTotalN00b> Well, I set up a new user account, and it crashed when I tried to open a terminal window :-(
[12:12] <NearTotalN00b> I'm not sure if that's the only thing that crashes it, but it seemed the X server crashed (from its logs).
[12:13] <NearTotalN00b> It ends with the following:-
[12:14] <NearTotalN00b> Backtrace:
[12:14] <NearTotalN00b> 0: /usr/X11R6/bin/X(xf86SigHandler+0x81) [0x80c5d91] 
[12:14] <NearTotalN00b> 1: [0xffffe420] 
[12:14] <NearTotalN00b> 2: /usr/lib/xorg/modules//libxaa.so [0xb7a05fbd] 
[12:14] <NearTotalN00b> 3: /usr/X11R6/bin/X [0x8109799] 
[12:14] <NearTotalN00b> 4: /usr/X11R6/bin/X [0x815fea7] 
[12:14] <NearTotalN00b> 5: /usr/X11R6/bin/X [0x815b0f0] 
[12:14] <NearTotalN00b> 6: /usr/X11R6/bin/X(ValidateGC+0x25) [0x809a135] 
[12:14] <NearTotalN00b> 7: /usr/X11R6/bin/X [0x816067c] 
[12:14] <NearTotalN00b> 8: /usr/X11R6/bin/X [0x8160aaf] 
[12:14] <NearTotalN00b> 9: /usr/X11R6/bin/X [0x815c211] 
[12:14] <NearTotalN00b> 10: /usr/X11R6/bin/X(compPaintWindowBackground+0x6d) [0x80f614d] 
[12:14] <NearTotalN00b> 11: /usr/X11R6/bin/X(miWindowExposures+0xfa) [0x8111a1a] 
[12:14] <NearTotalN00b> 12: /usr/X11R6/bin/X [0x80daf7c] 
[12:14] <NearTotalN00b> 13: /usr/X11R6/bin/X(miHandleValidateExposures+0x78) [0x8129388] 
[12:14] <NearTotalN00b> 14: /usr/X11R6/bin/X(MapWindow+0x3aa) [0x8078fda] 
[12:14] <NearTotalN00b> 15: /usr/X11R6/bin/X(ProcMapWindow+0x59) [0x808bf69] 
[12:14] <NearTotalN00b> 16: /usr/X11R6/bin/X [0x8142531] 
[12:14] <NearTotalN00b> 17: /usr/X11R6/bin/X(Dispatch+0x19f) [0x808c61f] 
[12:14] <NearTotalN00b> 18: /usr/X11R6/bin/X(main+0x495) [0x8074785] 
[12:14] <NearTotalN00b> 19: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xdc) [0xb7d82ebc] 
[12:14] <NearTotalN00b> 20: /usr/X11R6/bin/X(FontFileCompleteXLFD+0x1e1) [0x8073ab1] 
[12:14] <stibs> grazie: In gimp open the base image, add a new layer, copy the arrow from an icon set to this layer and save the image again
[12:14] <NearTotalN00b> Fatal server error:
[12:14] <NearTotalN00b> Caught signal 11.  Server aborting
[12:14] <NearTotalN00b> (That's from /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old)
[12:15] <grazie> stibs: that sounds great...thanks
[12:15] <NearTotalN00b> (Oh, hang on, was that rude of me?  Pasting a big chunk of stuff like that?  Sorry if it was.  I'm a near total newbie when it comes to IRC.)
[12:15] <grazie> !paste | NearTotalN00b
[12:15] <ubotu> NearTotalN00b: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:16] <NearTotalN00b> Thanks, ubotu.  And sorry again, everyone, for my n00biness.
[12:18] <NearTotalN00b> I pasted it here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16529/ (Did I get that right?)
[12:19] <Cygnet> looks like it, noob
[12:19] <NearTotalN00b> :-)
[12:20] <NearTotalN00b> I'm wondering if anyone else has had problems with X crashing in Xubuntu after upgrading to 7.04.  Or if it's just something with my system.
[12:21] <Cygnet> I haven't upgraded yet
[12:24] <NearTotalN00b> I got excited, and upgraded, all too impatiently.
[12:24] <Cygnet> at least it's not anywhere near as broken as it could be
[12:24] <NearTotalN00b> :-)
[12:24] <NearTotalN00b> There was (is) another problem.  The mouse didn't work.  Choosing an older kernel from GRUB's boot menu resulted in the mouse working again.
[12:24] <NearTotalN00b> (3-button, PS/2 mouse.  A real IBM one, from an old RS/6000.)
[12:24] <NearTotalN00b> Yes, perhaps I'll try that, stibs.
[12:28] <NearTotalN00b> Think I'll start downloading a suitable CD image...
[12:29] <NearTotalN00b> Oh, and I never got USB working in 6.10.  But I think I should leave that until I've got 7.04 working.
[12:32] <NearTotalN00b> Am I right in thinking that I still need the alternate CD for LVM?
[12:38] <NearTotalN00b> Anyway, thanks for your suggestions, and for teaching me about the paste bin :-)
[12:38] <ubd> hello what should i write in fstab to mount ext3?  hda6 is mounted /home can i mount hdc1 to /home/hdc ?
[12:39] <Naughtyboy> NearTotalN00b, I've installed xubuntu a couple of times on different comps inte last month or so....I have also trie uppgrading...and in 50% of times the uppgrade failed in some ways...but the fresh install always worked..
[12:39] <Naughtyboy> FFS...he left..
[12:39] <Naughtyboy> ;=))
[12:40] <Cygnet> how're the servers doing?
[12:40] <Cygnet> has the traffic let up?
[12:40] <Naughtyboy> udb I would install gparted...partiton and format the disk with it...and then mount it in /media
[12:42] <ceil420> i upgraded from Edgy to Feisty fine
[12:42] <ceil420> :o
[12:42] <ubd> why would i format and partition a ok disk!!
[12:43] <ceil420> only things not intel on this box are ethernet card and video :x
[12:45] <Naughtyboy> ubd, : Ok..I missunderstod...I thought it wasn't formated.
[12:46] <ubd> :)
[12:46] <Naughtyboy> udb this is how my fstb looks on one of my storage hdd "/dev/sdc5 /media/STORAGE2 ext3 defaults,noatime,data=writeback 0 2"
[12:47] <ubd> allright thank you very much !
[12:47] <Naughtyboy> noatime,data=writeback is tweakage...it might no work well for you....do it at your own risk..
[12:50] <carras> hi, where can i download the md5sums ?
[01:00] <grazie> carras: should be on the same page as the iso
[01:02] <carras> it isn't
[01:02] <carras> the bittorrent's hash should be right, shouldn't it ?
[01:04] <Cygnet> carras, should be on this page, but it's taking a long time to load for me: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/feisty/release/
[01:04] <carras> i'll lock
[01:07] <carras> yes, they are, thanks
[01:14] <hyper__ch> does this site work for anyone? http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/feisty/release/
[01:18] <Cygnet> holy netsplit, batman!
[01:19] <Cygnet> hyper, it didn't load for me
[01:30] <hyper__ch> Cygnet: thx... :)
[01:30] <hyper__ch> ls
[01:30] <hyper__ch> ls -al
[01:30] <hyper__ch> cd /var
[01:31] <hyper__ch> ups :)
[01:34] <stibs> hmmmm ... why did they include OOo writer AND Abiword in the fresh xubuntu???
[01:35] <kma> stibs: huh?
[01:37] <shenmue> stibs: i  personally don't like abiword
[01:38] <stibs> kma: Just downloaded and installed xubuntu 7.04 and find abiword and OOo writer in the office menu
[01:38] <kma> stibs: strange
[01:38] <stibs> shenmue: yes, that's fine, but why bloat the distro?
[01:38] <stibs> lol
[01:39] <kma> stibs: I don't have that one install
[01:39] <kma> *installed
[01:39] <stibs> looks good =)
[01:39] <stibs> nice theme and wallpaper update
[01:40] <stibs> need to play more with it though
[01:40] <shenmue> stibs: i don't know, i think only include (just like Ubuntu/Kubuntu) OOo should be OK
[01:41] <kma> stibs: wtf?
[01:42] <stibs> my translator tells me a lightning rod or arrester ... lol ... lightning in german is the same as flash ... sry
[01:42] <stibs> hehe
[01:42] <stibs> off to weekend
[01:42] <stibs> bye
[01:43] <kma> wtf
[02:55] <shawn34> torrent file wont download from the xubuntu site, anything wrong with the site?
[02:55] <shawn34> i need the alternate cd version
[02:57] <Naughtyboy> try the direct link then..
[02:58] <shawn34> it actually just started, strange, took like 7 minutes to start downloading the torrent file
[02:58] <shawn34> its working now though thanks
[02:59] <shawn34> ;)
[02:59] <shawn34> believe it or not, i got my girlfriends mom to let me install linux on her laptop lol
[02:59] <Naughtyboy> hehe..nice
[02:59] <Naughtyboy> unusal
[03:00] <shawn34> but normal cd  wont load the installer, well, the live cd wont load the desktop to install
[03:00] <shawn34> so im trying to dl the alternate cd
[03:01] <shawn34> Naughtyboy, unless there is a way to install directly from normal cd without loading the desktop
[03:02] <shawn34> Naughtyboy, you know if thats possible?
[03:03] <Naughtyboy> I always use the "alternate" ....and do a "text mode" install.....
[03:04] <Naughtyboy> that way it wont load the "live desktop" ore something---
[03:04] <shawn34> yea
[03:04] <shawn34> k, thanks
[03:04] <Naughtyboy> np..
[03:18] <Toshibi> Good Morning!
[03:19] <Toshibi> I'm having a hard time getting Xubuntu installed....it refuses to format my drives
[03:20] <Toshibi> Is there anyone here that could give me a hand?
[03:21] <Toshibi> Anyone?
[03:21] <MaximusBrood> Hello.
[03:21] <Toshibi> Hi
[03:22] <MaximusBrood> I'm trying to forward a port for uTorrent. This is TCP 38806. I already tried a few times using iptables, but it never worked. Could someone please guide me through it or redirect me to a good guide?
[03:22] <Toshibi> What sort of router do you have?
[03:22] <MaximusBrood> The connection is set up like this: DSL (ppp0) -> Xubuntu Server -> Other computer
[03:22] <Toshibi> oh
[03:23] <MaximusBrood> All IPs are static.
[03:46] <kma> btw, for c/c++ development, what do you guys use?
[03:46] <kma> ide/debugger/editor/buildsystem/scm
[04:01] <TheSheep> kma: vim, make, gdb, indent, ctags, cproto
[04:01] <TheSheep> kma: what's scm?
[04:01] <kma> TheSheep: source control management
[04:01] <kma> TheSheep: cvs, svn, git, Mg etc
[04:02] <TheSheep> ah, tar :D
[04:02] <kma> :D
[04:02] <kma> okey :)
[04:02] <TheSheep> hey, it works :)
[04:03] <kma> :) can be abit harder if you are more then one on a project :) but hey.. it works :)
[04:03] <TheSheep> yes, but I rarely have multiperson projects
[04:03] <TheSheep> I guess I'll have to move to svn sooner or later
[04:04] <kma> :)
[04:04] <kma> I'm looking for a good solution for my development :\
[04:04] <michaelp1> i've just installed xubuntu, the sound is not working, the keyboard shift key is not working, is it driver problem/ how do i fix it/
[04:05] <TheSheep> michaelp1: what keyboard layout do you use?
[04:05] <kma> I used scite + own project management tools + own written build system.. I'm looking to replace scite + my own project management tools
[04:05] <TheSheep> kma: I'm basically addicted to vim, but that might be not what you're looking for
[04:06] <kma> TheSheep: yeah.. either you love or hate vim.. I hate it :)
[04:06] <TheSheep> kma: scratchpad is a very simple and fast editor
[04:06] <kma> TheSheep: I think the whole thing is stupid.. but.. maybe it's because vim and my brain isn't compatible :)
[04:06] <TheSheep> kma: not necessary to your liking, of course
[04:07] <kma> i've looked abit on scratchpad
[04:07] <TheSheep> kma: vi has one huge advantage: available on most every system :)
[04:07] <kma> TheSheep: yeah :) i've looked a bit at geany.. I think I will try it
[04:08] <TheSheep> kma: scribes is similar, but also has code snippets, autocompletion, parens closing, etc.
[04:08] <TheSheep> kma: similar to scratchpad, I mean, but much slower
[04:08] <kma> TheSheep: what I need is good ways to jump between files and in code
[04:09] <Naughtyboy> can any1 recommend me lightweight apps for viewing pdf and exel files..,,,
[04:09] <kma> Naughtyboy: pdf viewer comes with xubuntu
[04:09] <TheSheep> Naughtyboy: for pdf you can use epdfview, xpdf, evince-gtk
[04:09] <TheSheep> Naughtyboy: the latter comes with xubuntu
[04:10] <Naughtyboy> well....I did a CLI install and then added everything manually..to get my system slimlined...s I have to add them my self..
[04:10] <TheSheep> kma: ctags+vim :)
[04:10] <kma> TheSheep: yeah.. but then I can't edit code :D
[04:10] <kma> TheSheep: http://geany.uvena.de/images/geany_main.png
[04:11] <TheSheep> Naughtyboy: as for excel files, I don't know of any lightweight app that does it
[04:11] <kma> could be something.. but.. no debugger :\
[04:11] <Naughtyboy> there is gnumeric..
[04:11] <TheSheep> Naughtyboy: openoffice can open excel files, but it's not lightweight
[04:11] <TheSheep> Naughtyboy: gnumeric opens excel?
[04:11] <Naughtyboy> TheSheep, : yeah..I'd like to stay away from Oo..
[04:11] <TheSheep> kma: debuggers are separate in the linux world
[04:12] <Naughtyboy> TheSheep, .yeah according to synaptics description..
[04:12] <kma> TheSheep: yeah.. and I've havn't found a good one
[04:12] <TheSheep> Naughtyboy: that's good -- gnumeric is also installed in xubuntu by default, I think
[04:13] <TheSheep> kma: just don't include bugs in your code ;)
[04:13] <kma> TheSheep: I don't.. others do :D
[04:13] <Naughtyboy> TheSheep, yeah I know...but as I said....I did a CLI install and then added everything manually..to get my system slimlined...s I have to add them my self..
[04:13] <Naughtyboy> but I'm gonan go with ghumeric and some oft the pdf viewrs u recomended me...atleast for now
[04:13] <TheSheep> Naughtyboy: yes, I meant it as a recommendation ;)
[04:14] <Naughtyboy> TheSheep, : yeah...thnx a bunch
[04:15] <kma> TheSheep: btw. I made a very nice script to ubuntu today :)
[04:15] <Prodoc> good afternoon
[04:16] <kma> TheSheep: how many times have this happend.. you want to try some applications.. you get them.. and then you have to clean up afterwards?
[04:17] <Prodoc> upgrading to 7.04 isn't going as smoothly as I would like to :-( I get terminal screens in the update manager with questions but the text is only displayed partially, not to mention the lack of buttons being displayed
[04:17] <tactus> Prodoc: Do you have anything similar issues like this: http://bildr.no/view/57743 ?
[04:18] <Naughtyboy> kma, : sound interesting......
[04:18] <Prodoc> nope, not at all, the upgrade is at the 'Fetching and installing the upgrades' stage
[04:19] <kma> Naughtyboy: checkpoint snap ~/before.snap
[04:19] <tactus> Did a fresh install over the beta with ubuntu alternate and did a xubuntu-desktop package installation, not sure what to do about it.
[04:19] <kma> Naughtyboy: then apt-get some.. install some packages.. test some stuff out.. perhaps compile a program
[04:19] <kma> Naughtyboy: then
[04:19] <kma> Naughtyboy: "checkpoint diff ~/before.snap" to see what have happend
[04:19] <TheSheep> Prodoc: this is a workaround only, but if you install 'zenity', you will have these messages displayed as normal dialogues -- windows with buttons and all
[04:20] <kma> Naughtyboy: "checkpoint revert ~/before.snap" to remove all packages that was installed
[04:20] <TheSheep> tactus: seems like you have some icon themes missing
[04:20] <Prodoc> TheSheep, but I'm already half way through the upgrade which I can't cancel
[04:20] <kma> Naughtyboy: I use it when I have to compile some program from the net that requires a load of -dev packages
[04:20] <Prodoc> first it was about libssl, which for some strange reason continued when I pressed the middle mouse button by accident. Now I get an postgresql message but I can't continue anymore
[04:21] <tactus> TheSheep, yeah, looks like it. Other gtk apps are affected aswell.
[04:21] <TheSheep> Prodoc: they probably ask whether to overwrite existing config files
[04:21] <Naughtyboy> kma, : OK...sounds very nice....I hate when the system gets bloated with left overs...and orphans..et.c
[04:21] <kma> yeah
[04:21] <TheSheep> tactus: try changing the icon theme
[04:21] <kma> Naughtyboy: same here.. thats why I wrote the script for my new install
[04:22] <kma> Naughtyboy: the first thing I did was to do a snapshot :)
[04:22] <Naughtyboy> kma, : you got this automated soehow..or is it a script you have to run manually..
[04:22] <tactus> TheSheep, I've tried. Also creating a new user with fresh settings didn't help. Strange.
[04:22] <kma> Naughtyboy: I run i manually
[04:22] <Prodoc> TheSheep: this is the only text I see: 'Obsolete major version 8.1' 'and/or client package installed. Please install t' 'automatically create a default cluster 8.2/main. If you want to upgrade' 'T'
[04:23] <kma> Naughtyboy: i = it
[04:23] <kma> Naughtyboy: could be automated tho
[04:23] <Prodoc> no way to continue
[04:23] <Naughtyboy> ok...very nice...running it manually sounds even better.....you're in control of it..
[04:23] <kma> yeah
[04:24] <kma> Naughtyboy: used it when I wanted Transmission 0.7.. just snapshot.. get packages.. build.. and then revert
[04:25] <kma> perhaps should make a cron job of it to snapshot everyday :)
[04:25] <Naughtyboy> ;=)
[04:36] <roy913> Dear All, I have a question
[04:36] <roy913> during the boot up how to see the boot up details
[04:38] <TheSheep> roy913: alt+f1
[04:38] <roy913> thanks!!
[04:48] <Merchelo> i think my upgrade just went backwards
[04:59] <Merchelo> nope, there it goes.
[05:03] <limbert65> I've been running 7.04 for the last few weeks, doing periodic dist-upgrades.  Now that it's officially release, do I need to do anything else?  Change anything in sources?
[05:06] <Prodoc> I managed to get through the upgrade to 7.04 and he's now at 'Cleaning up' stage. I am presented with a list of now unsupported application which are going to suggested for removal. Under the apps is postgresql 8.1 and it doesn't appear that 8.2 is installed already. What is the recommended upgrade path? Let it be removed and install 8.2 afterwards or prevent 8.1 from being uninstalled at...
[05:06] <Prodoc> ...this stage?
[05:07] <Prodoc> if I let it remove 8.1, will the db run again without trouble if I install 8.2 afterwards?
[05:11] <maxamillion> limbert65: no, it should be running the stable version now
[05:12] <maxamillion>  there shouldn't be anything extra to do
[05:12] <limbert65> Thanks!  Running great.
[05:16] <amsmith42hs> Does Synaptic have an autoupdate feature like Adept?
[05:18] <thongrim> ehm, hi there
[05:18] <maxamillion> amsmith42hs: i believe so
[05:18] <Will^Draven> ok, so i just finished my upgrade, and then being the adventuresome little bugger i am, i enabled the nvidia legacy driver in the restricted drivers manager, and it b0rked my x server, any ideas on how to disable it from a terminal?
[05:19] <thongrim> can anyone help me?
[05:19] <maxamillion> Will^Draven: "sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf" and then where is says "
[05:19] <thongrim> i have a problem with the installation
[05:20] <maxamillion> Will^Draven: where is says Server:  "nvidia" .. chance "nvidia" to "nv"
[05:20] <maxamillion> thongrim: shhot
[05:20] <maxamillion> shoot*
[05:20] <amsmith42hs> thongrim: We need to know the problem before we can answer your first question. :P
[05:20] <thongrim> ok
[05:20] <thongrim> then
[05:20] <thongrim> I have a very old hardware
[05:20] <rici> maxamillion: does the nvidia driver not work for 7.04 or do you just have to reinstall it?
[05:20] <thongrim> k6 450 Mhz processor
[05:20] <thongrim> with 64Mb ram
[05:20] <thongrim> 6 GB hd
[05:21] <thongrim> I'd like to install xubuntu feisty
[05:21] <maxamillion> rici: it worked for me via just doing "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade"
[05:21] <rici> ok
[05:21] <thongrim> It's almost a week i try upgrading to edgy from dapper
[05:21] <maxamillion> thongrim: you will need the alternate installation image
[05:21] <thongrim> yep, i downloaded it
[05:21] <maxamillion> thongrim: oh .. ok
[05:21] <Merchelo> !vista
[05:21] <ubotu> vista is the new operating system by the evil overlords from Redmond. For more information, see http://www.badvista.org
[05:21] <thongrim> then i solve a problem with network installation
[05:21] <maxamillion> !botsnack
[05:21] <ubotu> Yum!
[05:22] <thongrim> but sadly
[05:22] <Merchelo> anyone know of any problems with vista and ubuntu?
[05:22] <maxamillion> Merchelo: yeah ... many
[05:22] <thongrim> when the prompt was on installing software, then the installer was unable to complete the process
[05:22] <thongrim> what can I do in order to make xubuntu working?
[05:23] <maxamillion> Merchelo: vista likes to take over the hard drive and not allow ubuntu to boot
[05:23] <Merchelo> cool thanks
[05:23] <maxamillion> thongrim: where did it stop?
[05:23] <maxamillion> Merchelo: no problem
[05:23] <thongrim> about 6%
[05:24] <thongrim> after installing something like xresprobe
[05:24] <Will^Draven> maxamillion: thanks, it was actually Driver: "nvidia" not Server:, but close enough ;-) fixt now.
[05:25] <maxamillion> Will^Draven: ah, sorry ... i just said it from memory
[05:25] <maxamillion> man pages are a good friend of mine
[05:31] <maxamillion> thongrim: that's strange ... the only errors i have heard of generally come at 85%
[05:31] <thongrim> eh eh :-P
[05:31] <Will^Draven> and theres my xubuntu box now now
[05:31] <thongrim> what can I do?
[05:31] <maxamillion> Will_Draven: awesome :)
[05:31] <amsmith42hs> I installed 6.10 onto a 400Mhz PII with 256MB without any trouble.
[05:31] <amsmith42hs> thongrim: Could it be a hard drive problem?
[05:31] <thongrim> no, because I have installed succesfully Xubuntu dapper about 6 times in the past 3 deys, and also formatted it because of upgrading to edgy problems
[05:31] <thongrim> any ideas
[05:31] <thongrim> ?
[05:31] <maxamillion> thongrim: yeah .... dapper had alot less problems on older hardware because after dapper the ubuntu-base configuration got heavier on system resources and our core devs have been trying their hardest to keep it compatible for installation ... you might just have to upgrade from dapper to edgy and then edgy to feisty (which does work, i have upgraded a machine from breezy to dapper, then dapper to edgy, and edgy to feisty just to see if it would work)
[05:31] <joycetick> hey, I just booted xubuntu 7.04 from the cd and the menu bars arn't there ie the applications, task list, workspace manager etc are missing. Is it supposed to be like that?
[05:31] <Prodoc> you people still interested in upgrade glitches?
[05:31] <thongrim> and how I upgrade from dapper to edgy?
[05:32] <thongrim> ehm, sorry, do u think desktop install wouldn't work at all?
[05:32] <Tuba_> Does anyone happen to have a direct link to the 7.04 i386 torrent - I've got a multi-gigabit connection doing absolutely nothing here...
[05:33] <thongrim> could it be a swapon /dev/hda1 problem?
[05:33] <Tuba_> And it's not like torrnt.ubuntu.com is particularly happy.
[05:35] <joycetick> sorry Tuba, i got the torrent file from torrent.ubuntu.com thismorning, i dont think it's anywhere else
[05:36] <Tuba_> What about the directory structure?
[05:36] <Merchelo> !gibbon
[05:36] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule
[05:36] <maxamillion> joycetick: alt+f2 and execute the command "xfce4-panel &"
[05:38] <joycetick> maxamillion: ah thanks, much better :)
[05:38] <maxamillion> joycetick: np
[05:38] <Tuba_> Trying to fetch the torrent now :-)
[05:38] <maxamillion> joycetick: i had that problem the other day ... apparently it just has something to do with the exec_xfce_session script or something
[05:39] <thongrim> maxamillion: any ideas?
[05:40] <Prodoc> after the upgrade to 7.04 icons like Trash where displayed on the desktop while they weren't enabled in the desktop settings. Even after enabling them I'm unable to remove the icons. How can I get rid of them?
[05:41] <maxamillion> Prodoc: right click and remove each one individually
[05:41] <Prodoc> I don't get an option to remove them and Del doesn't work either
[05:42] <maxamillion> Prodoc: that's strange ...
[05:42] <Prodoc> indeed
[05:43] <roy913> my 6.10 with a 366Mhz PII with 196MB still not bad
[05:43] <maxamillion> i have too run .... i have an exam in 10 minutes
[05:43] <maxamillion> bbl
[05:44] <grazie> maxamillion: best of luck
[05:44] <max_at_class> grazie: thankies
[05:44] <Prodoc> anyone know of a different way to get rid of them? at least some or to make the desktop settings option work again
[05:45] <Howdy125> Did you try enabling them then logout and back in .. disable them then logout and back in Prodoc
[05:45] <Prodoc> did try the first one, I'll try the second one
[05:47] <grazie> Prodoc: Feisty adds a few desktop icons by default. They can be removed by tweaking you xfce config, but the exact details I do not yet know...
[05:47] <amsmith42hs> I take it a reboot is required after "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade"...?
[05:47] <Prodoc> ok, they are gone now, let's see if I can get them back again
[05:47] <grazie> amsmith42hs: not usually, no
[05:48] <amsmith42hs> Cool.
[05:48] <grazie> amsmith42hs: actually yes
[05:48] <amsmith42hs> LOL
[05:48] <grazie> amsmith42hs: you'll certainly have a kernel upgrade which needs a reboot....sorry!
[05:48] <thongrim> anyone knows if the dapper->edgy upgrade works and how to successfully update?
[05:48] <Prodoc> adding them work as well but it alwasy requires a re-login
[05:49] <Prodoc> is that by design or a bug?
[05:49] <Howdy125> Beats me .. Prodoc :)
[05:50] <amsmith42hs> :P
[05:50] <amsmith42hs> See you soon!
[05:51] <chino> does xubuntu add xdm or something ?
[05:51] <grazie> Prodoc: I'm joining in half way through so I may not be following your drift, but most xfce settings are cached...
[05:51] <TheSheep> chino: xubuntu uses gdm
[05:51] <chino> i installed xubuntu on top of kubuntu can i just keep using kdm ?
[05:51] <TheSheep> chino: yes
[05:52] <chino> does it give me the option to pick kde or xfce at boot ?
[05:52] <TheSheep> chino: just run 'sudo update-alternatives'
[05:52] <thongrim> :-) it seems not
[05:53] <TheSheep> chino: and it will ask you what sfotware to use for certain things, including the xdm/gdm/kdm choice
[05:53] <TheSheep> chino: --all
[05:54] <Prodoc> grazie: the problem is that changing the icons to display on the desktop in the desktop settings don't have an immediate effect, in order to get them applied you'll have to re-login
[05:55] <Prodoc> which could be considered a bug if you don't know this
[05:55] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: where can I download the xubuntu torrent files?
[05:56] <hyper_ch> tracker I mean :)
[05:57] <thongrim> ok, thank you bye
[05:57] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: what do you mean?
[05:58] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: where are links to the xubuntu torrent tracker files?
[05:58] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: I only get timed-out here -> http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/feisty/release/
[05:58] <asmith42a> That was odd. I couldn't quit via the app menu or the panel button.
[05:58] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: well, the servers are a little hemmered :)
[05:59] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: :(
[05:59] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: how do I know that I already have the stable release?
[05:59] <hyper_ch> I haven't gotten any updates for the last 4-5 days
[05:59] <grazie> Prodoc: yeah, that's because the desktop caching
[05:59] <Prodoc> aha
[06:00] <chino> jesus does this thing ask enough questions
[06:01] <TheSheep> chino: see how many decissions the developers made for you? :)
[06:02] <chino> how many vim questions
[06:02] <chino> i want vim.full for all!
[06:03] <TheSheep> chino: the interface is not very nice
[06:04] <chino> it never asked me about gdm or kdm
[06:04] <joycetick> *sigh* my laptops wireless isn't connecting to the network :(. Its original built in wifi card died and i now using a PCMCIA wifi card that i haven't used in xubuntu yet (works fine in xp). Any suggestions for what i should check? (note: im running 7.04 off the cd for the moment until i know wifi works)
[06:05] <TheSheep> chino: do you have both installed?
[06:05] <chino> YES
[06:06] <chino> sorry stupid vnc
[06:06] <TheSheep> chino: you can also install and run sysv-rc-conf and just disable gdm and enable kdm
[06:08] <chino> thanks
[06:09] <hyper_ch> anyone knows a mirror where to download feisty from?
[06:11] <asmith42a> Ah, if you go into the Synaptic Package Manager and find the Repositories settings, you can set it to update daily, like Adept in Kubuntu.
[06:11] <Howdy125> hyper_ch, I just got ubuntu from the link at distrowatch in about 20 min. .. xubuntu is listed there now also.
[06:13] <hyper_ch> cool
[06:13] <hyper_ch> desktop and alternate?
[06:14] <hyper_ch> cdimages is finally working :) they have torrents
[06:14] <Howdy125> hyper_ch, I just see desktop there.
[06:15] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: maybe you can add this to the channel topic also:  http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/feisty/release/
[06:15] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: this is at least working right now
[06:15] <Merchelo> bah, i keep getting xorg.conf errors after the fiesty upgrade
[06:17] <grazie> Merchelo: if you post the details someone may be able to help out
[06:17] <hyper_ch> how comes the desktop cd is smaller than the alternate?
[06:18] <Merchelo> fglrx: No matching devide section for insatnce(BusID PCI:1:0:1) found  then fatal server error, no screens found
[06:20] <grazie> hyper_ch: not sure...but I think it's due to the way packages are stored and the number of them is different
[06:20] <hyper_ch> oh ok
[06:20] <grazie> hyper_ch: you can upgrade from the alternate but not the desktop
[06:26] <hyper_ch> grazie: I just thought because of the live thing enabled there will be more on the desktop cd :)
[06:29] <Merchelo> bah, i don't know what's wrong
[06:29] <grazie> hyper_ch: yeah, but the squashfs thing saves loads of space too :)
[06:30] <hyper_ch> :)
[06:32] <hyper_ch> running now ubuntu desktop in vmware :)
[06:32] <hyper_ch> well, trying to :)
[06:33] <cga> hi all , is it possible to use Tracker and TrackerFS in xubuntu?
[06:33] <grazie> Merchelo: you tried reconfig with "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg"
[06:39] <bravelion> hi
[06:39] <bravelion> i am currently on xubuntu dapper. how do i upgrade to this 7.04?
[06:41] <Merchelo> update-manager -c
[06:42] <thongrim> it's safe from dapper doing that???
[06:46] <Araiwa> hi, i need some help. i just install xubuntu 7.04, but it fails to boot up. i got error /bin/sh: can't access tty
[06:47] <braveheartlion> hello
[06:48] <braveheartlion> how do i upgrade from my current xubuntu dapper to xubuntu 7.04?
[06:50] <hyper_ch> braveheartlion: can you run  "update-manager -c" from shell?
[06:50] <braveheartlion> hyper_ch: yes, it popped up a gui software updates program
[06:51] <braveheartlion> Introspect error: The name org.freedesktop.UpdateManager was not provided by any .service files
[06:51] <braveheartlion> no listening object (The name org.freedesktop.UpdateManager was not provided by any .service files)
[06:51] <braveheartlion> but it gave the error above
[06:51] <hyper_ch> does it a new version is available?
[06:52] <hyper_ch> does it  --> does it say ...
[06:52] <cga> hyper_ch, 6.10
[06:53] <cga> i'm still on dapper
[06:53] <braveheartlion> hyper_ch: yes, it does
[06:53] <hyper_ch> braveheartlion: does it say 7.04?
[06:53] <braveheartlion> hyper_ch: yes, it does
[06:53] <braveheartlion> should i upgrade the recommended updates, first? or should i upgrade to 7.04 first?
[06:54] <hyper_ch> well, then you can be brave and have a go... I've never done it...
[06:54] <braveheartlion> Authentication failed
[06:54] <hyper_ch> braveheartlion: whatever you do, be sure to have some bootable cd around :) just in case
[06:54] <grazie> braveheartlion: you must update BEFORE upgrade
[06:54] <braveheartlion> Authenticating the upgrade failed. There may be a problem with the network or with the server.
[06:54] <hyper_ch> braveheartlion: yeah, the networks are still pushed hard
[06:55] <braveheartlion> grazie: ok. i'm getting the updates first
[06:55] <braveheartlion> wow, guys. this is a lot easier than how I upgraded the last time--- editing a sources.list file, etc.
[06:56] <hyper_ch> braveheartlion: editing the sources.list isn't difficult either... do you think it's difficult?
[06:57] <grazie> braveheartlion: I'm not entirely whether upgrading dapper > feisty with update manager is safe, but the app has had many improvements
[06:57] <godless> How long does the server crush usually last after a new version is released?
[06:57] <braveheartlion> hyper_ch: well, i'd rather use something like update-manager than editing a text file
[06:57] <grazie> entirely sure*
[06:57] <hyper_ch> godless: don't know...
[06:58] <hyper_ch> braveheartlion: but with editing text files you know what you do and can undo it if necessary :)
[06:58] <godless> I dont remember this much traffic around edgy but maybe I just wasnt paying attention.
[06:58] <grazie> godless: the server load wasn't bad at all earlier today....it's only when usa comes online that things go slow :)
[06:59] <hyper_ch> <-- has not upgraded a system yet except from herd5 --> beta --> stable
[06:59] <hyper_ch> yeah, the us should be banned from the inet ^^
[06:59] <grazie> no usa no net
[06:59] <Lord_Maynoth_42> wow I finally got xubuntu installed
[07:00] <hyper_ch> grazie: we just need some other root servers
[07:00] <Lord_Maynoth_42> other than the bug with the installer that keeps remounting partitions every 5 seconds so it locks it making impossible to install    It is awesome
[07:00] <Lord_Maynoth_42> man it screams.... very very fast
[07:01] <Lord_Maynoth_42> can anyone here help me
[07:01] <Lord_Maynoth_42> should I install the latest at linux driver because my resolutions are limited to 800x600
[07:01] <Lord_Maynoth_42> or is this just a xorg problem
[07:02] <hyper_ch> Lord_Maynoth_42: did you check the forums yet?
[07:02] <Lord_Maynoth_42> not sure what I am searching for
[07:03] <hyper_ch> Lord_Maynoth_42: feisty and your video card
[07:03] <hyper_ch> e.g.  feisty geforce2
[07:04] <Lord_Maynoth_42> ahh
[07:04] <Qew> does anyone know whether Dapper will be able to update to the next LTS via one upgrade or would it have to go via steps (Edgy, then Feisty, then...)?
[07:04] <hyper_ch> Lord_Maynoth_42: it's just a suggestion... very likely you are not the first one to encounter this problem and thenn you maybe see what helped and what did not
[07:05] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I am downloading the newst xorg-config
[07:05] <Lord_Maynoth_42> gui
[07:05] <hyper_ch> Qew: braveheartlion is attempting a Dapper --> Feisty upgrade
[07:05] <hyper_ch> braveheartlion: maybe he can then tell how it went
[07:05] <hyper_ch> Qew: maybe he can tell then how it went
[07:06] <Araiwa> i need help. i just installed xubuntu 7.04. it fails to boot up. /bin/bash/ can't access to tty.
[07:06] <Araiwa> then inifram
[07:06] <Qew> yeah, I'm reading that. The usual advice is to go one step at a time, but I'm wondering about from one LTS to another. It's probable that he will get it to work, but then again, it's more likely to break than going one step at a time. I used to urpmi upgrade Mandrake/Mandriva without much of a problem, even when skipping a release.
[07:07] <hyper_ch> Araiwa: hmmm.... no clu
[07:07] <hyper_ch> e
[07:07] <Qew> ah well, I'll wait a month and decide whether I want to mess up a good Dapper install ;)
[07:08] <hyper_ch> Qew: sure you want to :)
[07:08] <Araiwa> oh, dear...no option for me then.
[07:08] <Araiwa> back to win98 :(
[07:11] <godless> haha
[07:11] <godless> there's no way I would give up that easily if win98 was my other option
[07:11] <godless> ah well
[07:12] <hyper_ch> godless: well, that was just someone who wants to be spoon-fed so linux is not an option for that person
[07:13] <godless> hyper_ch:  Of course. Although a non-bootable system is a pretty daunting problem for a new user.
[07:13] <hyper_ch> godless: well I have no clue what that means there
[07:13] <thongrim> :-) new install now :-)
[07:14] <hyper_ch> thongrim: ?
[07:14] <thongrim> cd nearly burned
[07:14] <thongrim> then boot...
[07:14] <hyper_ch> just booting first time into my new ubuntu feisty :)
[07:14] <hyper_ch> thongrim: oh ok :)
[07:14] <thongrim> hyper_ch: I pray it works...
[07:15] <hyper_ch> thongrim: you'll see
[07:15] <hyper_ch> hmmm, ubuntu feisty pressures vmware less than winxp
[07:16] <thongrim> hyper_ch: I don't think so... expert mode or standard?
[07:16] <hyper_ch> expert
[07:16] <thongrim> hyper_ch: cd check started
[07:17] <hyper_ch> thongrim: live or alternate cd?
[07:18] <thongrim> hyper_ch: alternate... 64mb ram :-(
[07:18] <hyper_ch> oh
[07:18] <hyper_ch> that not much
[07:18] <thongrim> hyper_ch: old laptop
[07:18] <godless> thongrim:  You might have trouble with only 64mb
[07:18] <thongrim> hyper_ch: and a power amd k6 into it :-P
[07:19] <hyper_ch> :)
[07:19] <godless> maybe fluxbuntu? haven't tried it personally
[07:19] <hyper_ch> when I had 64mb ram I was running Win2000
[07:19] <hyper_ch> it was slow
[07:19] <hyper_ch> and diablo 2 :)
[07:19] <hyper_ch> it was damn slow
[07:19] <thongrim> hyper_ch: i tryed it, but I didn't like it...
[07:19] <thongrim> hyper_ch: xubuntu rules... :-P
[07:20] <hyper_ch> thongrim: diablo 2 rules :)
[07:20] <thongrim> hyper_ch: yep, also :-)
[07:21] <Qew> braveheartlion: The "authentication failed" error seems to be due to the need to update the Update Manager to 0.45.2: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading
[07:21] <braveheartlion> Qew: ok
[07:21] <hyper_ch> I guess I spend more tmie playing diablo 2 than all other games together
[07:21] <hyper_ch> are there backports?
[07:21] <thongrim> hyper_ch: I spend more time trying installing feisty on this damn lap, the studing :-P
[07:22] <thongrim> then...
[07:22] <hyper_ch> thongrim: with the herd releases I had trouble with alternate install... the partitioner didn't work right for me
[07:22] <Lord_Maynoth_42> hey guys how do I check for updates
[07:22] <Lord_Maynoth_42> in xubuntu
[07:23] <Lord_Maynoth_42> like update manager in ubuntu
[07:23] <hyper_ch> Lord_Maynoth_42: open a shell:    sudo apt-get update
[07:23] <braveheartlion> Qew: thank you very much
[07:23] <hyper_ch> Lord_Maynoth_42: open a shell:    sudo aptitude updat && sudo aptitude upgrade
[07:23] <Qew> good luck, braveheartlion
[07:23] <Lord_Maynoth_42> is there a gui? or can I use the old udate manager from ubuntu?
[07:23] <thongrim> hyper_ch: also for me, so I formatted and now I'm trying...
[07:24] <braveheartlion> Lord_Maynoth_42: update manager IS gui
[07:24] <hyper_ch> Lord_Maynoth_42: there is one :) applicatiosn --> system --> update manager
[07:24] <Lord_Maynoth_42> DOH
[07:24] <Lord_Maynoth_42> somehow I overlooked it
[07:24] <Lord_Maynoth_42> sorry
[07:24] <Lord_Maynoth_42> :D
[07:24] <hyper_ch> Lord_Maynoth_42: but shell is much cooler to use :)
[07:27] <thongrim> hyper_ch: 50% check done, all ok for now
[07:28] <hyper_ch> thongrim: go for it :)
[07:29] <thongrim> hyper_ch: ehm, I have to set up swap when I'll install?
[07:30] <thongrim> hyper_ch: swapon /dev/hda1 ?
[07:30] <clarklinux> hey: can someone read this exerpt from dmesg and tell me why my pcmcia wireless network card isn't working? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16601/
[07:30] <hyper_ch> thongrim:  how do you mean "when you install"?
[07:30] <hyper_ch> thongrim: you shoul dget to the partitioner at some point and there you can setup the partitions (and swap)
[07:31] <thongrim> after booting the cd
[07:31] <thongrim> hyper_ch: yep, I know
[07:31] <thongrim> hyper_ch: opening a console with ctrl+alt+F1
[07:31] <thongrim> hyper_ch: typing that command
[07:31] <hyper_ch> thongrim: I don't get what you mean
[07:32] <thongrim> hyper_ch: having the swap active during the installation
[07:32] <hyper_ch> thongrim: ah :)
[07:32] <thongrim> hyper_ch: then?
[07:33] <hyper_ch> thongrim: dunno, never done it :)
[07:33] <thongrim> hyper_ch: ok :-P
[07:33] <clarklinux> hey: can someone read this exerpt from dmesg and tell me why my pcmcia wireless network card isn't working? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16601/
[07:34] <hyper_ch> !repeat
[07:34] <ubotu> Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[07:35] <thongrim> :-)
[07:37] <thongrim> hyper_ch: that check could take an hour... 70%
[07:37] <hyper_ch> thongrim: I normally try first to install and if that fails I check the cd :)
[07:37] <thongrim> hyper_ch: yep, but an hour ago it had failed...
[07:38] <thongrim> hyper_ch: so, i'm checking before :-)
[07:38] <hyper_ch> thongrim: I see :)
[07:39] <thongrim> hyper_ch: any hint about boot options?
[07:39] <hyper_ch> thongrim: I'm a lucky noob who has enough luck for most of it to work out of the box :)
[07:39] <thongrim> hyper_ch: lucky
[07:40] <hyper_ch> thongrim: I know :)
[07:40] <hyper_ch> Sysinfo for 'xubi': Linux 2.6.20-15-generic running KDE 3.5.6, CPU: AMDSempron2400+ at 1683 MHz (3371 bogomips), , RAM: 997/1010MB, 153 proc's, 2.2d up
[07:40] <thongrim> hyper_ch: ahahahahahah :-P
[07:40] <hyper_ch> the only problem I have is that skype doesn't support webcams yet
[07:40] <Merchelo> how do i know what version my kernal is?
[07:40] <hyper_ch> and that my palm and kontact don't sync all data
[07:41] <thongrim> hyper_ch: :-P
[07:41] <hyper_ch> Merchelo: open a shell terminal and enter:   uname -a
[07:41] <Merchelo> thanks
[07:41] <Cinnander> I'm having a few issues with the upgrade manager - long and short is it gives me error message along the lines of Failed to fetch http://.../packages.bz2 sub process Bzip2 returned an error code (2), -- is this just  a load thing or ?
[07:41] <hyper_ch> thongrim: the pics of contacts stored in the palm don't get transferred to kontact and neither do their birthdates
[07:41] <Cinnander> server load* that is
[07:41] <hyper_ch> Merchelo: since I'm using Konversation I can just type in here:  /sysinfo
[07:41] <thongrim> hyper_ch: so have u tryed another sync program?
[07:42] <hyper_ch> thongrim: I tried gpilot with Evolution --> same
[07:42] <hyper_ch> thongrim: and kpilot with Kontact --> same
[07:42] <hyper_ch> thongrim: I got a palm lifedrive and the bug is filed
[07:42] <thongrim> hyper_ch: damn, corrupted cd...
[07:42] <hyper_ch> thongrim: don't burn it at 500x
[07:42] <cyzie> hello, i have xubuntu 6.10 how do i upgrade to 7.04?
[07:43] <Cinnander> cyzie "sudo update-manager -c" or run "Update manager" from Applications > System
[07:43] <hyper_ch> Cinnander: you bet me :)
[07:44] <Cinnander> :p
[07:44] <hyper_ch> ok, Ubuntu Feisty installed... runs fine
[07:44] <cyzie> k thanks Cinnander
[07:44] <hyper_ch> next Kubuntu Feisty to install :)
[07:44] <thongrim> hyper_ch: now burning at 1x ...
[07:44] <Cinnander> damn you hyper :\ update fails for me :(
[07:44] <hyper_ch> thongrim: don't burn so fast :) slow down :)
[07:45] <hyper_ch> Cinnander: what update?
[07:45] <thongrim> hyper_ch: but brasero would burn it at his own speed
[07:45] <thongrim> hyper_ch: :-P
[07:45] <hyper_ch> hmmm, strange... shouldn't kubuntu be blue?
[07:45] <hyper_ch> did I pick the wrong iso
[07:45] <Cinnander> 6.10 -> 7.04 xubuntu... bzip2 is screwing up from the (rather uninformative) error message it gives
[07:46] <Cinnander> using the update manager, this is
[07:46] <hyper_ch> Cinnander: hmmm... I'd got for a clean install anway
[07:47] <hyper_ch> (because that I way I get rid of garbage :)
[07:47] <Cinnander> could do
[07:47] <hyper_ch> Cinnander: and then make use of an update shells cript to install your default appz :)
[07:48] <hyper_ch> Cinnander: btw, you have /home on a separate partition?
[07:48] <Cinnander> no I don't, but i've not got any stuff in there anyway really
[07:48] <hyper_ch> well, I strongly advice to use as seperate partition for it :)
[07:49] <Cinnander> yeah, will next time for this reason :p
[07:50] <hyper_ch> but if you have nothing on the disk, then why not do a clean install?
[07:50] <braveheartlion> only 5 hours and 30 minutes to go
[07:50] <hyper_ch> braveheartlion: downloads?
[07:51] <braveheartlion> hyper_ch: upgrading to 7.04
[07:52] <braveheartlion> fetching upgrade
[07:52] <braveheartlion> s
[07:53] <hyper_ch> braveheartlion: what's your internet connection?
[07:53] <hyper_ch> braveheartlion: how quick?
[07:53] <braveheartlion> cable internet
[07:54] <braveheartlion> but download speed for upgrade is currently at 10kb/s
[07:54] <thongrim> here i am
[07:55] <godless> (sysinfo:24383): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "pixmap",
[07:55] <godless> *** stack smashing detected ***: sysinfo terminated
[07:55] <godless> Aborted (core dumped)
[07:55] <godless> Hm :/
[07:56] <hyper_ch> braveheartlion: yeah, too many people are upgrading :)
[07:56] <hyper_ch> thongrim: it worked?
[07:56] <hyper_ch> godless: well, I'm not a guru but that doesn't sound good
[07:56] <hyper_ch> btw, does evolution have a rss-reader integrated?
[07:57] <thongrim> hyper_ch: ehm, I have to burn the cd again...
[07:57] <hyper_ch> thongrim: I hope you are using RW?
[07:57] <thongrim> hyper_ch: :-P
[07:58] <hyper_ch> well when I started with dapper I just burnt one cd after the other
[07:58] <hyper_ch> and at one stage I though I should get some 700 RWs
[07:58] <hyper_ch> 700mb rws :)
[07:58] <thongrim> hyper_ch: I started with edgy and I wrote about 5 dvds...
[07:58] <godless> hyper_ch:  No, no it doesn't.
[07:58] <hyper_ch> thongrim: hehehe :)
[07:59] <hyper_ch> godless: wheny do you get that message?
[08:00] <thongrim> hyper_ch: cd check again or installation? :-P
[08:00] <hyper_ch> thongrim: throw a dime :)
[08:00] <hyper_ch> thongrim: and let fate decide :)
[08:02] <hyper_ch> 61% of Kubuntu installed :)
[08:03] <Merchelo> not a good day.
[08:04] <hyper_ch> Merchelo: why?
[08:05] <hyper_ch> it was a good day for me
[08:05] <godless> hyper_ch:  When I try to run sysinfo
[08:05] <godless> I found somebody with the issue on the forums but no solution
[08:05] <hyper_ch> godless: hmmm... you use konversation?
[08:05] <hyper_ch> godless: or KDE?
[08:05] <thongrim> hyper_ch: coin says: installation :-P
[08:06] <hyper_ch> thongrim: then let's have a go :)
[08:06] <godless> hyper_ch:  Xfce
[08:06] <thongrim> hyper_ch: graveman says, writing failed :-P
[08:06] <godless> hyper_ch:  And can you kill your song notify?
[08:06] <hyper_ch> godless: sysinfo is a kde command
[08:06] <Merchelo> hyper_ch: fiesty upgrade broke fglrx driver, and now i'm begining to lose it.
[08:06] <godless> hyper_ch:  Yeah, but it installs fine with the libs.. shrug. removed :)
[08:06] <hyper_ch> godless: song notify isn't automatich... i'ts manual work... I have to type  /media
[08:07] <hyper_ch> godless: sysinfo works fine for me
[08:07] <godless> haha
[08:07] <hyper_ch> but then it's just a by-product of my countless kde appz
[08:07] <hyper_ch> godless: sysinfo doesn't work at all on the shell for me
[08:08] <hyper_ch> I'll check what the shortcut is
[08:08] <hyper_ch> hmmm sysinfo --> /exec sysinfo
[08:09] <hyper_ch> it's a conversation script
[08:09] <hyper_ch> -c +k
[08:11] <hyper_ch> godless: here's the content http://phpfi.com/228456
[08:15] <thongrim> hyper_ch: now booting :-)
[08:16] <hyper_ch> thongrim: good luck
[08:16] <thongrim> hyper_ch: the cd, not the system :-P
[08:16] <thongrim> hyper_ch: thanks
[08:16] <thongrim> hyper_ch: expert mode :-P
[08:16] <hyper_ch> thongrim: what expert mode?
[08:16] <aro> Sysinfo for 'justin-desktop': Linux 2.6.20-15-generic running KDE 3.5.6, CPU: AMDAthlonXP2000+ at 1653 MHz (3310 bogomips), , RAM: 851/1011MB, 98 proc's, 4.3h up
[08:17] <aro> Didn't know that existed
[08:17] <thongrim> hyper_ch: lowmemory
[08:17] <hyper_ch> thongrim: ah yes :)
[08:17] <hyper_ch> thongrim: but alternate should be ble to run on 64mb
[08:17] <hyper_ch> thongrim: did it once
[08:17] <thongrim> hyper_ch: so I don't activate swap :-P
[08:17] <hyper_ch> aro: yuo're using konversation?
[08:17] <aro> Yea
[08:18] <hyper_ch> aro --> Settings --> configure --> command aliases
[08:18] <aro> Oh cool
[08:18] <hyper_ch> Random Fortune: When you say 'I wrote a program that crashed Windows', people just stare at you blankly and say 'Hey, I got those with the system, *for free*'. 	-- Linus Torvalds
[08:19] <thongrim> hyper_ch: font size?
[08:19] <hyper_ch> thongrim: what font size?
[08:19] <thongrim> hyper_ch: 16 :-p
[08:19] <hyper_ch> thongrim: ???
[08:19] <hyper_ch> Random Fortune: I develop for Linux for a living, I used to develop for DOS. Going from DOS to Linux is like trading a glider for an F117. 	-- Lawrence Foard, entropy@world.std.com
[08:19] <thongrim> hyper_ch: only an option in the mode :-P
[08:20] <hyper_ch> thongrim: I've never used expert mode
[08:20] <thongrim> hyper_ch: ahahahahahaha
[08:20] <hyper_ch> thongrim: I told you my stuff runs all out of the box :)
[08:21] <thongrim> hyper_ch: yep :-P
[08:21] <hyper_ch> Random Fortune: Shoot me again. Just proving that the quickest way to solve the problem is to post a whine to the newsgroups: within moments the solution presents itself to me, and meanwhile my ass is hanging out on the Net... *sigh*...  	-- Dave Phillips, dlphilp@bright.net, about problem solving via news
[08:22] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: --> offtopic ;)
[08:23] <TheSheep> now is the time to pimp the #xubuntu-offtopic channel a little
[08:24] <TheSheep> feel my anger ye mortal
[08:24] <hyper_ch> :)
[08:25] <thongrim> hyper_ch: swapon for detecting network hardware :-P
[08:25] <reevesj> has anyone here downloaded the 7.04 xubuntu with bit torrent?
[08:26] <thongrim> yep
[08:26] <hyper_ch> reevesj: I'm trying to
[08:26] <hyper_ch> thongrim: you need to turn the swap on for network hardware?
[08:26] <thongrim> hyper_ch: no, for the network hardware detection
[08:27] <thongrim> hyper_ch: rebooting...
[08:27] <hyper_ch> thongrim: why?
[08:27] <thongrim> hyper_ch: because if I don't do it, it would continue to killing the harware and not detecting it
[08:28] <hyper_ch> thongrim: ok
[08:29] <thongrim> hyper_ch: normal mode now, I'm not so expert... :-)
[08:29] <hyper_ch> thongrim: neither am I :)
[08:29] <thongrim> hyper_ch: is there a command like swapoff ?
[08:29] <hyper_ch> thongrim: as TheSheep --> he knows everything
[08:30] <thongrim> hyper_ch: I don't want to disturb him :-)
[08:30] <hyper_ch> thongrim: you don't disturb TheSheep :)
[08:30] <thongrim> TheSheep: are U there??? :-)
[08:30] <TheSheep> thongrim: yes?
[08:30] <thongrim> TheSheep: can U help me?
[08:31] <hyper_ch> !question | thongrim
[08:31] <ubotu> thongrim: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[08:31] <hyper_ch> :)
[08:31] <thongrim> ah, yep, sorry :-P
[08:31] <TheSheep> there is wapoff
[08:31] <TheSheep> swapoff
[08:31] <TheSheep> why?
[08:31] <thongrim> TheSheep: you read in my mind :-P
[08:31] <hyper_ch> told you... he knows everything
[08:32] <TheSheep> also, swapon -s will show you the swap files you have active
[08:32] <thongrim> TheSheep: ok thanks
[08:33] <thongrim> TheSheep: then if I start the partitioner, then the label f the disk would be sda and not hda it's right?
[08:34] <thongrim> TheSheep: after partitioning the swap, I have to restart the swapon?
[08:34] <TheSheep> thongrim: you better not touch the swap partition if it's enabled
[08:34] <TheSheep> so, either do swapoff before partitioning and do swapon after it, or just don't move the swap
[08:35] <thongrim> TheSheep: ah, damn
[08:35] <TheSheep> it's a part of the heard disk where the systems keeps additional ram
[08:35] <TheSheep> that is, if something doesn't fit into ram, it gets saved into swap
[08:35] <TheSheep> funny things can happen if the system tries to load it back and it's no longer the same
[08:36] <thongrim> TheSheep: :-P
[08:36] <thongrim> TheSheep: something like?
[08:36] <TheSheep> thongrim: imagine someone pokes your brains with a finger at random
[08:36] <thongrim> TheSheep: i have to swapoff when installing the files now?
[08:36] <TheSheep> thongrim: say, how much ram do you have?
[08:37] <thongrim> TheSheep: 64 MB
[08:37] <TheSheep> then yes, better enable swap now
[08:37] <thongrim> TheSheep: i use swap on because insted the installer wouldn't load the network device manager...
[08:38] <TheSheep> thongrim: probably it didn't fit into the memory
[08:38] <thongrim> TheSheep: yes, I thought the same :-)
[08:38] <Naughtyboy> guys...since I installed xfce manually...I din't get all apps that comes with xubuntu....among all is settings for date and time....anyone know any app or GUI frontend...that I can do that with..?
[08:39] <thongrim> TheSheep: now installing the base system... finger crossed :-P
[08:40] <TheSheep> Naughtyboy: xubuntu-system-tools I think
[08:41] <Naughtyboy> ok...I'll look in to it...thnx
[08:49] <Naughtyboy> TheSheep, : that did the trick....thnx again
[08:51] <chino> i installed xubuntu on top of kubuntu and now im getting "core dumped: Illegal Instruction"  when i try to run gaim and firefox
[08:53] <TheSheep> chino: sounds like something really broken
[08:53] <TheSheep> chino: try runnng them from console with strace
[08:53] <Dr_PsY> hi
[08:53] <Dr_PsY> how i can change the locales ?
[08:53] <TheSheep> chino: is this a 64bit system?
[08:53] <chino> no
[08:54] <TheSheep> Dr_PsY: you can choose your language on the login screen, or change the global default in the system settings
[08:54] <TheSheep> Dr_PsY: system->languages or somethng like that
[08:55] <TheSheep> chino: justrun strace and see what it crashes on
[08:55] <Dr_PsY> TheSheep: yea, but it don't work
[08:55] <TheSheep> Dr_PsY: define "don't work"
[08:55] <Dr_PsY> when i type locale i get this
[08:55] <TheSheep> !pastebin
[08:55] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:55] <Dr_PsY> locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
[08:55] <Dr_PsY> locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
[08:55] <Dr_PsY> locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
[08:55] <Dr_PsY> but the variables are all set
[08:56] <TheSheep> Dr_PsY: well, just install the locales you need in synaptic
[08:56] <Dr_PsY> what must i find ?
[08:56] <TheSheep> Dr_PsY: what language do you want?
[08:57] <chino> TheSheep:  you want to see the output ?
[08:57] <TheSheep> chino: pastebin the last 10 lines somewhere
[09:00] <thongrim> TheSheep: damn, error while installing the kernel....
[09:00] <Dr_PsY> TheSheep: spanish
[09:00] <Dr_PsY> LC_CTYPE="es_ES@euro"
[09:00] <Dr_PsY> all the locale are ok
[09:00] <Dr_PsY> but i get that message
[09:01] <TheSheep> funny
[09:01] <Dr_PsY> yea
[09:01] <TheSheep> maybe try asking on the spanish channel?
[09:01] <TheSheep> !es
[09:01] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[09:01] <TheSheep> Dr_PsY: they would know for sure
[09:02] <rici> no #xubuntu-es?
[09:02] <Dr_PsY> http://pizarra.softlibre-es.com/codigo-30.html
[09:02] <TheSheep> rici: no, xubuntu has too few users for local channels
[09:02] <Dr_PsY> ok
[09:02] <Dr_PsY> thanks
[09:03] <grazie> !es
[09:03] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[09:03] <Lebowski_> I just installed 7.04 on PowerPC Mac and when I restart I dont get a boot screen... directly boots to OSX... any help
[09:03] <rici> TheSheep: makes sense
[09:04] <rici> i speak spanish if that helps at all
[09:04] <Dr_PsY> ther are people in es chanel
[09:04] <TheSheep> Lebowski_: boot the live cd, select 'rescue broken system', go through the wizard and select 'reinstall grub'
[09:04] <Dr_PsY> but thanks
[09:04] <Lebowski_> will do... thanks
[09:05] <TheSheep> Dr_PsY: another thng to check is whether you have the default C/en_US locales installed
[09:05] <Dr_PsY> how can i see tath ?
[09:07] <Merchelo> what port is used for usb ?
[09:14] <Merchelo> no matter, at last, beautiful xfce
[09:16] <TheSheep> Merchelo: port?
[09:17] <Merchelo> it's ok, i got it working, i was manually configuring xorg.conf
[09:18] <thongrim> TheSheep: in order to free a bit of memory, which process I have to kill?
[09:18] <TheSheep> thongrim: depends on what you don't need
[09:18] <maxamillion> i'm here ... who needs help?
[09:18] <TheSheep> thongrim: you will probably want to disable all the printing services
[09:19] <thongrim> TheSheep: which kernel to install?
[09:19] <thongrim> TheSheep: and how I do that?
[09:19] <TheSheep> thongrim: the -generic one
[09:19] <thongrim> TheSheep: latest one?
[09:19] <TheSheep> thongrim: install linux-image-generic
[09:19] <TheSheep> sudo apt-get install linux-image-generic
[09:20] <thongrim> TheSheep: eh,the installer asked me which one to install :-P
[09:21] <maxamillion> ?
[09:21] <thongrim> TheSheep: ehm, errore was returned while trying to install the kernel into the target system...
[09:21] <chino> TheSheep: http://pastie.caboo.se/55415
[09:22] <maxamillion> chino: what were you trying to do when that happened?
[09:22] <TheSheep> thongrim: out of disk space?
[09:22] <Merchelo> maxamillion: fglrx support under feisty ?
[09:23] <maxamillion> Merchelo: what about it?
[09:23] <thongrim> TheSheep: no
[09:24] <chino> maxamillion: i was tryi nto run GAIM and it dump's when i try to run firefox too
[09:24] <Merchelo> it's pretty non existant, upgraded to fiesty, went to restart and have been having problems with fglrx, xorg, and the such
[09:25] <Lord_Maynoth_42> weird question... how can I get a network traffic monitor icon on my toolbar
[09:25] <Lord_Maynoth_42> like in gnome
[09:25] <maxamillion> Merchelo: you have xorg-driver-fglrx installed along with fglrx-driver?
[09:25] <thongrim> TheSheep: I try it again
[09:26] <maxamillion> Lord_Maynoth_42: icon? ... there is a panel plugin that will just show it ... right click the panel and click "Add New item" and then scroll through the list
[09:26] <Lord_Maynoth_42> what's it called
[09:26] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I must be overlooking it
[09:26] <Lord_Maynoth_42> :C
[09:27] <Lord_Maynoth_42> sry im new to xfce...
[09:27] <TheSheep> "Network Monitor"
[09:27] <TheSheep> Lord_Maynoth_42: it has a mouse icon
[09:27] <maxamillion> ;)
[09:27] <Lord_Maynoth_42> ooh
[09:27] <Lord_Maynoth_42> doh
[09:27] <Merchelo> maxamillion: aye i have xorg-driver-fglrx,fglrx-friver, and fglrx-control
[09:27] <Lord_Maynoth_42> haha thank you
[09:27] <TheSheep> chino: I have no idea what that might be, report a bug please
[09:27] <TheSheep> !bugs | chino
[09:27] <ubotu> chino: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[09:27] <thongrim> TheSheep: any hint about?
[09:28] <maxamillion> Merchelo: hmm... strange ... i am really not of much help because i only own nvidia cards
[09:28] <TheSheep> thongrim: doesn't it say why it failed to install the kernel?
[09:28] <thongrim> TheSheep: sadly no
[09:28] <TheSheep> thongrim: con you switch to the console and type 'df -h' ?
[09:29] <TheSheep> thongrim: what does it say about free space on the / partition?
[09:29] <Lord_Maynoth_42> it doesn't seem to do anything o_0 did I miss something?
[09:29] <TheSheep> Lord_Maynoth_42: right click, select 'Properties' and enter the correct network device
[09:29] <TheSheep> Lord_Maynoth_42: usually eth0
[09:29] <Lord_Maynoth_42> ahh thank you
[09:29] <thongrim> 7% used
[09:29] <Lord_Maynoth_42> yes that worked
[09:29] <Lord_Maynoth_42> :D
[09:29] <Lord_Maynoth_42> cool
[09:30] <thongrim> TheSheep: 7% used
[09:30] <TheSheep> thongrim: dmesg | tail
[09:30] <TheSheep> thongrim: anything suspicious?
[09:31] <Lord_Maynoth_42> is it possible to get both task bars on the bottom of the screen?
[09:31] <thongrim> TheSheep: two process killed because out of memory
[09:32] <TheSheep> Lord_Maynoth_42: yes, right click, select 'customize panel' and use the dialogue to place you panels anyway you want
[09:32] <Lord_Maynoth_42> i tried that but they seem to overlap...
[09:32] <TheSheep> thongrim: how large is your swap?
[09:32] <thongrim> TheSheep: ide: failde opcodes was: unknown
[09:32] <Lord_Maynoth_42> is there a way to fix that
[09:32] <thongrim> TheSheep: 300MB nearly
[09:32] <thongrim> TheSheep: end_request: I/O error,dev hdc, sector 1404672
[09:33] <TheSheep> Lord_Maynoth_42: disable stretching them to full width, or just move all the elements to the bottom one and delete the top one
[09:33] <chino> yo ubuntu sucks
[09:33] <TheSheep> thongrim: broken disk :/
[09:33] <TheSheep> thongrim: hdc is your cd?
[09:33] <thongrim> TheSheep: how I know it?
[09:34] <TheSheep> thongrim: how many hard disks do you have?
[09:34] <thongrim> only oe
[09:34] <thongrim> only one
[09:34] <TheSheep> then hdc will most probably be the cdrom
[09:34] <TheSheep> thongrim: seems like the cd drive has trouble reading the cd
[09:35] <thongrim> TheSheep: isn't cdrom?
[09:35] <thongrim> TheSheep: so what can i do?
[09:35] <TheSheep> you checked the cd for defects, right?
[09:35] <thongrim> this one no :-(
[09:35] <alnokta> Hello, i just installed 7.04 and whenever i try to start the terminal, it closes everything and brings the login window
[09:35] <TheSheep> argh
[09:36] <alnokta> any idea?
[09:36] <thongrim> TheSheep: so it's the cd not good?
[09:36] <TheSheep> alnokta: press alt+f2 and type 'xterm'
[09:36] <TheSheep> thongrim: not necessarily, it may also be the cd drive
[09:36] <TheSheep> thongrim: or just they got hot, for example, and it will work fine when they cool down
[09:36] <TheSheep> thongrim: it's a laptop, right?
[09:36] <thongrim> TheSheep: yep
[09:37] <thongrim> TheSheep: but it's warm
[09:37] <TheSheep> alnokta: did it give you a terminal?
[09:37] <alnokta> TheSheep: great!, yep
[09:37] <TheSheep> alnokta: (it should be pretty small and ugly, but working)
[09:37] <Lord_Maynoth_42> is it hard to make a custom livecd of xubuntu...
[09:37] <alnokta> yep TheSheep
[09:37] <TheSheep> alnokta: ok, now type 'Terminal 2>&1 > errors.txt'
[09:37] <Lord_Maynoth_42> like if I wanted to add my fav programs and have everything installed and configured the way I like it when it booted up
[09:38] <TheSheep> Lord_Maynoth_42: no, I think there is even a gui tool for that
[09:38] <Lord_Maynoth_42> oh wow... that would rule
[09:38] <Lord_Maynoth_42> :D
[09:38] <TheSheep> Lord_Maynoth_42: look for tutorials on the forums
[09:38] <thongrim> TheSheep: ehm, and I've installed dapper yesterday...
[09:38] <TheSheep> thongrim: it may be just heat or a scratch on the cd
[09:39] <TheSheep> thongrim: let it cool and try again
[09:39] <thongrim> TheSheep: and I check the CD?
[09:39] <TheSheep> thongrim: if it fails again, then yes, check it, do it in the same computer you're installing
[09:39] <thongrim> TheSheep: obviously
[09:40] <Merchelo> bg, fglrx, and feisty don't play well
[09:40] <thongrim> TheSheep: and trying installing edgy instead?
[09:40] <alnokta> i guess you know what happened ;)
[09:41] <hyper_ch> thongrim: still bad luck? :(
[09:41] <alnokta> TheSheep: errors.txt is blank
[09:41] <TheSheep> alnokta: yes, now check the 'errors.txt' file that got created :)
[09:41] <TheSheep> :/
[09:41] <thongrim> hyper_ch: yes, sadly
[09:41] <alnokta> :)
[09:41] <Lord_Maynoth_42> wow...  I absolutely love xubuntu... it is amazing how much faster it is.. on my dualcore
[09:41] <Lord_Maynoth_42> than ubuntu
[09:41] <TheSheep> alnokta: ok, now 'strace Terminal 2>&1 > errors.txt'
[09:41] <Lord_Maynoth_42> :D
[09:42] <TheSheep> thongrim: you might try that too
[09:43] <thongrim> TheSheep: also only after a cd check
[09:45] <alnokta> errors.txt is still blank, but some stuff were wrote on xterm's window, just before it died...
[09:46] <TheSheep> alnokta: no way! the '2>&1 > errors.txt' should have redirected it *all*
[09:46] <alnokta> :(
[09:47] <TheSheep> alnokta: ah! you can switch to the text console and do: display=:0; strace Terminal
[09:47] <TheSheep> alnokta: this way you won;t lose the text when X crashes
[09:47] <alnokta> ok, how to switch?
[09:48] <mz_> hi
[09:48] <mz_> i have a problem with the xubuntu feisty live cd
[09:48] <TheSheep> alnokta: sorry, it's "export DISPLAy=:0; strace Terminal"
[09:48] <TheSheep> alnokta: alt+ctrl+f1
[09:48] <mz_> it boots but keep asking for a login
[09:48] <TheSheep> !md5 | mz_
[09:48] <ubotu> mz_: To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[09:49] <thongrim> TheSheep: what about if the problem is brasero that corrupted the files?
[09:50] <TheSheep> thongrim: pretty much unlikely
[09:50] <TheSheep> thongrim: you can use a different burning program to make sure
[09:51] <thongrim> TheSheep: I know, but I checked the edgy cd I have burned now and it is corrupted...
[09:51] <alnokta> TheSheep: when i try alt+ctrl+f1, it flashes and gives non-usable look..
[09:52] <alnokta> i return with ctrl+alt+f9
[09:52] <TheSheep> alnokta: it doesn't give you a text mode console with a login prompt?
[09:53] <alnokta> no
[09:53] <thongrim> TheSheep: ok,see you in a while after dinner :-P
[09:53] <thongrim> thanks
[09:57] <alnokta> ok, i got the output of strace
[09:57] <TheSheep> alnokta: anything interesting?
[09:57] <alnokta> a second
[09:57] <Puppy_> Is it possible that my really old computer is a little faster after up-grading? Or am I just imagining it?
[09:58] <TheSheep> Puppy_: probably both ;)
[09:58] <Puppy_> lol
[09:58] <Puppy_> thanks
[09:59] <alnokta> TheSheep: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16636/
[09:59] <alnokta> its 154KB
[10:01] <alnokta> i'm seeing alot of "No such file or directory"
[10:03] <TheSheep> alnokta: you don't have the tango theme installed?
[10:06] <alnokta> TheSheep: this is a fresh install (even formatted the disk), just installed
[10:06] <mz_> i just checked the md5 and seems to be ok :S
[10:07] <alnokta> the installer did a weird thing (i think)
[10:08] <TheSheep> alnokta: try 'sudo apt-get install' and see what it says
[10:09] <alnokta> it uninstalled a lot of things after it finished downloading
[10:10] <alnokta> it says: 0 upgraded , 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded
[10:10] <TheSheep> does it list the 2 not upgraded packages?
[10:10] <alnokta> nope
[10:11] <TheSheep> try sudo apt-get upgrade :)
[10:11] <TheSheep> alnokta: do you have xubuntu-desktop installed?
[10:12] <mz_> maybe 'sudo aptitude dist-upgrade' will list the not-upgraded packages
[10:12] <alnokta> it will upgrade "update-manager" "update-manager-core"
[10:13] <alnokta> now I get 0 0 0
[10:14] <alnokta> after sudo apt-get install'
[10:14] <TheSheep> alnokta: do you have the xubuntu-desktop installed?
[10:15] <alnokta> can i copy from xterm?
[10:15] <TheSheep> alnokta: yes, just select it
[10:15] <TheSheep> alnokta: and it will be copied
[10:15] <TheSheep> alnokta: then click the middle button to paste
[10:16] <alnokta> lost@lost-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install
[10:16] <alnokta> Reading package lists... Done
[10:16] <alnokta> Building dependency tree
[10:16] <alnokta> Reading state information... Done
[10:16] <alnokta> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[10:16] <alnokta> lost@lost-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[10:16] <alnokta> Reading package lists... Done
[10:16] <alnokta> Building dependency tree
[10:16] <alnokta> Reading state information... Done
[10:16] <alnokta> xubuntu-desktop is already the newest version.
[10:16] <alnokta> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[10:16] <alnokta> lost@lost-desktop:~$
[10:16] <TheSheep> alnokta: weird
[10:16] <TheSheep> alnokta: you already rebootedafter the upgrade?
[10:17] <alnokta> now i'm thinking of reading the installation log, and install  all the uninstalled packages
[10:17] <alnokta> yep
[10:17] <alnokta> but will it contain the names of it?
[10:17] <alnokta> and where it is in the first place? ;)
[10:17] <TheSheep> alnokta: you have all the packages installed, I guess
[10:18] <TheSheep> alnokta: log is in /var/log somewhere, as you'd expect
[10:18] <alnokta> but i saw the bastard removing them!
[10:18] <TheSheep> probably old versions or no longer needed packages
[10:18] <Pumpernickel> /var/log/dpkg.log
[10:19] <TheSheep> alnokta: but that thing with Terminal crashing windows looks like a problem with the graphics driver *again*
[10:19] <TheSheep> alnokta: there was similar issue with firefox and nvidia on dapper
[10:20] <|Slurp33|> i am currently running the new xubuntu live cd for desktop.  is there anyway I can save my current settings?  Maybe save some information so next time I boot to live cd, I can reference this file ?
[10:21] <Pumpernickel> |Slurp33|: If you have a usb drive, sure.
[10:21] <|Slurp33|> what can I do ?
[10:21] <TheSheep> or you could mount the hdd and save it there
[10:21] <alnokta> TheSheep: is it fixable?
[10:21] <|Slurp33|> do you know the root password for the live cd ?
[10:22] <TheSheep> alnokta: if it's similar to that dapper thing, then it's a bug in the driver itself
[10:22] <TheSheep> alnokta: what graphics card do you use?
[10:22] <mz_> there's no root on the live cd, right?
[10:22] <TheSheep> |Slurp33|: there is none
[10:22] <TheSheep> |Slurp33|: use sudo
[10:22] <mz_> sudo command and it will run as root
[10:23] <TheSheep> or sudo -s and it will switch you to root
[10:23] <mz_> or sudo su :p
[10:23] <TheSheep> mz_: sudo bash ;)
[10:23] <mz_> lol
[10:23] <Pumpernickel> sudo -i
[10:23] <Pumpernickel> It sets up a complete root shell environment.
[10:23] <alnokta> is this helpful? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16640/
[10:24] <alnokta> i'm using s3 trio3d (very old)
[10:25] <TheSheep> Apr 20 21:55:48 lost-desktop gdm[6580] : gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X error - Restarting :0
[10:25] <TheSheep> ouch
[10:26] <TheSheep> alnokta: check /var/log/xorg.0.log
[10:28] <maxamillion> jeebus ... been a busy day in here today
[10:28] <TheSheep> maxamillion: like the old days :)
[10:28] <alnokta> TheSheep: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16643/
[10:29] <TheSheep> alnokta: clean
[10:29] <alnokta> the driver is okay?
[10:30] <TheSheep> alnokta: dunno, but the xorg log doesn't contain any critical errors
[10:30] <TheSheep> alnokta: how about dmesg | tail ?
[10:32] <maxamillion> TheSheep: lol ... or like the week after edgy's release :)
[10:33] <TheSheep> alnokta: if dmesg doesn't have anything meanngful, then just take that strace, describe what you did and report it as a bug
[10:33] <alnokta> TheSheep: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16644/
[10:33] <TheSheep> alnokta: it looks like either a bug in the graphics driver or in the X itself
[10:34] <TheSheep> alnokta: nothing
[10:34] <alnokta> ah
[10:35] <TheSheep> !bugs | alnokta
[10:35] <ubotu> alnokta: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[10:35] <TheSheep> alnokta: you can use the vesa driver in the mean time, until they kill that bug
[10:36] <alnokta> TheSheep: how?
[10:37] <TheSheep> alnokta: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf (as root) and find the line that says 'driver "s3virge"', then replace it to 'driver "vesa"'
[10:37] <TheSheep> alnokta: but the vesa driver is slow
[10:38] <Puppy_> Des 7.04 load up the desktop differently? When I load from the log in screen, it takes a long time to load the desktop. Does anyone know anything about this?
[10:38] <Puppy_> *does
[10:39] <TheSheep> Puppy_: try going to settings->session and disabling 'start gnoem services'
[10:39] <TheSheep> gnome
[10:39] <Puppy_> ok, thanks!
[10:41] <Puppy_> TheSheep: I think it is disabled all ready.
[10:41] <TheSheep> Puppy_: no idea then what may be so slow
[10:41] <thongrim>  TheSheep: It's very very funny, I almost finished the check of the cd on the damn laptop
[10:41] <Puppy_> TheSheep: ok thanks.
[10:41] <TheSheep> Puppy_: you might try to switch to text console with alt+ctrl+f1, run 'top', then log in, switch back and see what takes so much cpu
[10:41] <TheSheep> bah
[10:42] <thongrim> TheSheep: and I think that the problem was with brasero
[10:42] <TheSheep> thongrim: maybe you just burned with too high speed?
[10:43] <thongrim> TheSheep: no no, at 2x :-)
[10:43] <thongrim> TheSheep: probably it has some problems :-P
[10:43] <alnokta> TheSheep: how to use the new driver? reboot? also, i cannot get that text console you are talking about :P
[10:44] <thongrim> TheSheep: now booting
[10:44] <TheSheep> alnokta: alt+ctrl+backspace
[10:45] <alnokta> and to return?
[10:46] <maxamillion> alnokta: it will bring you back automatically
[10:46] <TheSheep> hopefully :)
[10:46] <alnokta> hehe
[10:48] <alnokta> crap
[10:48] <alnokta> it does the same thing as 'terminal'
[10:49] <alnokta> i will reboot now to see if vesa works
[10:50] <B1zz> is it safe to use the restricted drivers for the ATI card on feisty?
[10:51] <Pumpernickel> About as safe as it ever is.
[10:51] <B1zz> welp here goes lol
[10:52] <B1zz> rebooting
[10:56] <kbrooks> who here has Xubuntu 7.04
[10:57] <TheSheep> !ask | kbrooks
[10:57] <ubotu> kbrooks: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[10:57] <kbrooks> OK, Xubuntu 7.04 has a bug,
[10:57] <alnokta> okay, with vesa, the terminal work fine..but ctrl+alt+backspace..shows me the console but it throws me the login window..is that normal?
[10:57] <kbrooks> When i try to open the terminal, it restarts GDM.
[10:58] <TheSheep> alnokta: alt+ctrl+backspace kills and restarts X
[10:58] <alnokta> TheSheep: so that is normal?
[10:58] <TheSheep> kbrooks: do you have an s3trio graphics card?
[10:58] <TheSheep> alnokta: yes
[10:58] <kbrooks> TheSheep, i am talking about xfce-terminal, not ctrl+alt+fN
[10:58] <alnokta> TheSheep: can you put that bug instead of me? please ;)
[10:59] <TheSheep> alnokta: please report that bug please
[10:59] <TheSheep> alnokta: nuh-uh
[10:59] <braveheartlion> Hello, friends. I'm  running the distribution upgrade and I'm now faced with the "configuring mdadm" screen. Please see http://p.rc6.org/index.php?id=b480d5712a. What should I choose?
[10:59] <alnokta> :P
[10:59] <kbrooks> TheSheep, i started the terminal. then it restarted X. why?
[11:00] <TheSheep> kbrooks: it crashed your graphics driver, most probably alnokta here had the same problem just now
[11:00] <kbrooks> TheSheep, it did not
[11:00] <TheSheep> kbrooks: there must be a bug.
[11:00] <TheSheep> kbrooks: what graphics card do you use?
[11:00] <kbrooks> TheSheep, this worked on edgy. why?
[11:00] <alnokta> TheSheep: what do you say? will you report it?
[11:00] <TheSheep> alnokta: no
[11:00] <alnokta> :(
[11:00] <TheSheep> alnokta:you want it fixed, you must report
[11:01] <TheSheep> alnokta: it doesn't hurt
[11:01] <kbrooks> alnokta, why cant you report?
[11:01] <alnokta> okay, i'm just lazy :P
[11:01] <TheSheep> hah!
[11:01] <kbrooks> TheSheep, intel 8 xxx hang on
[11:01] <braveheartlion> i've included all the text of "configuring mdadm". Pls see http://p.rc6.org/index.php?id=a9691b6ae7. What should I do?
[11:02] <kbrooks> TheSheep, 82815
[11:02] <kbrooks> TheSheep, thats my vid card
[11:02] <braveheartlion> should I choose "all" available arrays (which is the default answer, by the way)?
[11:02] <alnokta> TheSheep: i think it will be better if i add kbrooks's strace
[11:02] <alnokta> right?
[11:02] <kbrooks> alnokta, wtf?
[11:02] <kbrooks> alnokta, no
[11:03] <alnokta> ok
[11:03] <alnokta> :)
[11:03] <kbrooks> alnokta, just submit the bug
[11:03] <TheSheep> kbrooks: so you have a different graphics card but the same problem
[11:03] <TheSheep> kbrooks: you can use 'xterm' instead until the problem is fixed
[11:03] <kbrooks> TheSheep, THIS WORKED on edgy.
[11:04] <TheSheep> kbrooks: yes, it's a bug
[11:04] <kbrooks> TheSheep, how to change the menu?
[11:04] <TheSheep> kbrooks: settings->menu editor
[11:04] <kbrooks> TheSheep, any proof
[11:05] <TheSheep> kbrooks: no, no proofs, you're just a second person in 10 minutes that has this problem
[11:05] <kbrooks> TheSheep, i do not think this is related to my vid card because xterm works
[11:05] <kbrooks> it is related to feisty
[11:05] <TheSheep> kbrooks: xterms doesn't use vte and the advanced graphics functions
[11:06] <TheSheep> kbrooks: it's related to X in feisty
[11:06] <kbrooks> TheSheep, really? link?
[11:06] <TheSheep> nevermind
[11:06] <kbrooks> TheSheep, what? its not?
[11:07] <TheSheep> kbrooks: no, but I don't feel like arguing
[11:07] <alnokta> ;)
[11:08] <aro> I doubt you'll get much help when you demand proof to every statement kbrooks.
[11:08] <aro> If you don't want help just leave.
[11:09] <kbrooks> aro: I want the bug URL for a statementt hat this is related to X in feisty, and not some random thing.
[11:09] <kbrooks> Anyway, bug filing time.
[11:10] <alnokta> i'm doing it
[11:10] <TheSheep> Bug #97491
[11:10] <ubotu> Malone bug 97491 in Ubuntu "xfce4-terminal crashes or freezes xorg" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/97491
[11:10] <alnokta> huh
[11:11] <TheSheep> alnokta: use that one
[11:12] <TheSheep> alnokta: give your system specs, that log with xioerror and maybe the strace of your terminal
[11:13] <TheSheep> kbrooks: I think you should add to that bug report too
[11:13] <TheSheep> kbrooks: the more users report, the faster they will fix it
[11:14] <alnokta> ah, okay :)
[11:15] <ubd> how can i change the mouse theme?
[11:16] <TheSheep> alnokta, kbrooks: you may install gnme-terminal instead
[11:16] <TheSheep> ubd: settings->keayboard and mouse
[11:16] <maxamillion> ubd: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=320199
[11:17] <_Codeman_> How do I get xubuntu to use my graphics card instead of the onboard?
[11:17] <ubd> i do not use ubuntu
[11:17] <maxamillion> _Codeman_: disable the onboard in your bios
[11:17] <maxamillion> ubd: uhmm... then what do you use?
[11:17] <ubd> debian
[11:17] <ubd> and xfce
[11:18] <maxamillion> ubd: then go to #debian or #xfce
[11:18] <_Codeman_> it's either on-board only or auto... there is no off :(
[11:18] <maxamillion> ubd: this channel is the official support channel for xubuntu ... a xfce+ubuntu based distro
[11:18] <maxamillion> ubd: we probably aren't of much help here to you
[11:18] <maxamillion> _Codeman_: really? ... thats strange
[11:18] <_Codeman_> isn't it?
[11:19] <maxamillion> rather
[11:19] <_Codeman_> I was rather annoyed when I found that out... but there's no way to tell it to use the card?
[11:20] <maxamillion> _Codeman_: i think there is ... i just don't know how ... it has something to do with the xorg.conf, i believe there is an entry in there to tell xorg which device to use
[11:20] <alnokta> TheSheep:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/97491 okay?
[11:20] <maxamillion> _Codeman_: can you pastebin your xorg.conf? ... i think we might be able to get this resolved
[11:20] <ubotu> Malone bug 97491 in Ubuntu "xfce4-terminal crashes or freezes xorg (dup-of: 99927)" [Undecided,Needs info] 
[11:20] <ubotu> Malone bug 99927 in xfce4-terminal "xfce terminal crashes and returns me to login screen" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[11:21] <_Codeman_> Well, yesterday my grub crapped out on me so I have to use live cd... which keeps defaulting to the onboard which doesn't seem to want to display :(
[11:22] <maxamillion> _Codeman_: oh ... ouch
[11:22] <TheSheep> alnokta: yes, I'm amrking it as a duplicate -- there are at least 4 similar bugs reported already
[11:22] <maxamillion> _Codeman_: there might be a boot parameter to pass but i would assume you need to be able to see the boot line to edit it
[11:23] <_Codeman_> well I can see the boot line... but when it goes to x/desktop it switches to onboard and no disply
[11:23] <TheSheep> alnokta: After switching my xorg.conf DefaultDepth setting from 24 to 16 the problem vanished with no affect on performance.
[11:24] <alnokta> ah, ok, i will try that after i eat :)
[11:25] <maxamillion> _Codeman_: oh ok ... hmm...
[11:25] <TheSheep> kbrooks: did you see that?
 alnokta, kbrooks: you may install gnme-terminal instead # how?
[11:26] <TheSheep> kbrooks: with synaptics, for example. But it will pull in some gnome libraries
[11:26] <maxamillion> kbrooks: use the package manager of your choice and install the gnome-terminal package
[11:27] <TheSheep> it seems the bug is in xfce4-terminal itself, not in vte or X
[11:27] <kbrooks> TheSheep, i *have* some installed and some cached :-)
[11:27] <kbrooks> TheSheep, how do you know, btw?
[11:27] <TheSheep> kbrooks: #91849
[11:27] <TheSheep> Bug #91849
[11:27] <ubotu> Malone bug 91849 in xfce4-terminal "i810 + xorg = xfce crashes when opening terminal (dup-of: 99927)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91849
[11:27] <ubotu> Malone bug 99927 in xfce4-terminal "xfce terminal crashes and returns me to login screen" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/99927
[11:28] <kbrooks> ok, seems fresh enough
[11:28] <kbrooks> independent stuff ...
[11:28] <TheSheep> pretty nasty
[11:29] <TheSheep> lots of people use intel cards
[11:29] <TheSheep> I thnk we have the bug #1 for this release :)
[11:29] <ubotu> Malone bug 1 in jl "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[11:29] <TheSheep> argh, not that one, thank you ubotu
[11:29] <TheSheep> !botsnack
[11:29] <ubotu> Yum!
[11:30] <kbrooks> After switching my xorg.conf DefaultDepth setting from 24 to 16 the problem vanished with no affect on performance. # hmm, trying ...
[11:31] <kbrooks> ok, restarting X:
[11:31] <TheSheep> good luck
[11:32] <kbrooks> hmm
[11:32] <kbrooks> it vanished too.
[11:32] <kbrooks> but why?
[11:32] <kbrooks> i'd really like to know why.
[11:33] <kbrooks> but i have no idea
[11:33] <kbrooks> ah well, removing gnome-terminal...
[11:33] <TheSheep> kbrooks: if it vanished too then it might be important infomation to report on the bug page
[11:34] <kbrooks> TheSheep, vanish = the problem
[11:34] <kbrooks> (sorry)
[11:34] <TheSheep> kbrooks: ah, that's good for you :)
[11:34] <TheSheep> kbrooks: sorry for the inconvenience
[11:35] <kbrooks> TheSheep, i'm impressed that you are this polite :-)
[11:35] <TheSheep> kbrooks: trying my best, thank you
[11:35] <kbrooks> TheSheep, np :-)
[11:35] <TheSheep> kbrooks: I actually already shred to pieces two dummies shaped like you
[11:36] <kbrooks> TheSheep, rephrase metaphor? :-)
[11:37] <TheSheep> um, mannequins?
[11:37] <kbrooks> TheSheep, or is THAT a metaphor at all? :-)
[11:37] <TheSheep> sure, sure (me shoves the pieces under the bed)
[11:40] <_Codeman_> maxamillion: I can't find anything for that... do you got anything?
[11:40] <TheSheep> _Codeman_: you can specify the PCI bus address for the card to use in xorg.conf
[11:41] <TheSheep> _Codeman_: if that;s waht you're looking for
[11:41] <frandavid100> hi, sorry but I need some help
[11:41] <TheSheep> !ask frandavid100
[11:41] <TheSheep> !ask | frandavid100
[11:41] <ubotu> frandavid100: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:41] <maxamillion> _Codeman_: no ... i sure don't ... if your bios won't switch it i really am at a loss ... sorry :(
[11:41] <frandavid100> what line would fstab to be able to mount /dev/hdc1?
[11:42] <frandavid100> I need to mount it urgently to backup some data
[11:42] <TheSheep> frandavid100: if it's a one-time mounting, you don't need to put it into fstab
[11:42] <_Codeman_> TheSheep: No, grub is borked and I'm trying to get into the install (alt cd) to reinstall or fix ot w/e but it keeps trying to use my onboard video and I was wondering if there was a boot line command to change it
[11:42] <frandavid100> more specifically I need to mount /dev/hdc1 in /home/ubuntu/Desktop/carpeta, and it's ext3
[11:43] <TheSheep> frandavid100: sudo mount /dev/hdc1 /home/ubuntu/Desktop/carpeta
[11:43] <frandavid100> it says: /dev/hdc can't be found in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[11:43] <TheSheep> _Codeman_: no idea. in ye olde days there was an option to use the com1 port...
[11:44] <hoth> I am trying to upgrade to 6.10 and when I pull from the repository I get this error ...any help please??
[11:44] <TheSheep> frandavid100: note the 'sudo'
[11:44] <frandavid100> yup
[11:44] <frandavid100> I sudoed it
[11:45] <frandavid100> if I include it in fstab, just to see if that works, how do I specify the filesystem?
[11:45] <hoth> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper-security/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
[11:45] <TheSheep> frandavid100: third column
[11:45] <TheSheep> frandavid100: just look at the other entries
[11:46] <TheSheep> hoth: type: df -h
[11:46] <TheSheep> hoth: and tell me the first line
[11:46] <hoth> in the term window I am assuming?
[11:46] <TheSheep> hoth: yes
[11:46] <frandavid100> I'm on the live cd, so there's nothing significative there
[11:46] <TheSheep> (actually the first line of the table, not the heading)
[11:47] <TheSheep> frandavid100: here is mine: /dev/sda5      /home           ext3    defaults        0       1
[11:47] <hoth> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[11:47] <hoth> /dev/hda1             111G  4.2G  101G   4% /
[11:47] <hoth> varrun                379M  112K  379M   1% /var/run
[11:47] <hoth> varlock               379M  4.0K  379M   1% /var/lock
[11:47] <hoth> udev                  379M  104K  379M   1% /dev
[11:47] <hoth> devshm                379M     0  379M   0% /dev/shm
[11:47] <hoth> lrm                   379M   19M  361M   5% /lib/modules/2.6.15-28-386/volati
[11:47] <TheSheep> hoth: whoa
[11:47] <TheSheep> don;t paste the whole thing :)
[11:47] <hoth> sorry
[11:48] <TheSheep> hoth: ok, so it's not out of disk space
[11:48] <hoth> Didn't think so
[11:49] <TheSheep> hoth: maybe try again, I can fetch and unpack that file without problems
[11:49] <hoth> Seems like it gets about 90% downloaded and then that error shows
[11:49] <frandavid100> alright, there's no way to mount it. Alternative question, is there some way to rebuild the grub?
[11:49] <hoth> can I ask how you fetched it?
[11:49] <TheSheep> frandavid100: sure
[11:50] <frandavid100> cause yhis computer just seems to load the grub forever if I boot from the cd
[11:51] <frandavid100> it belongs to my girlfriend too, and I rather she didn't kill me when she finds out what I did to her PC
[11:51] <TheSheep> frandavid100: I think that booting from cd doesn't use grub
[11:51] <frandavid100> yup, that's why I'm on the livecd
[11:52] <TheSheep> frandavid100: if you boot the live cd, there is ( at the beginning) this menu, it has 'rescue broken system'
[11:52] <frandavid100> if I just reinstall from here, and set the same partitions, but not to be formatted, will /home be obliterated?
[11:52] <hoth> Thesheep: I tried 8 times to get it to no avail
[11:52] <frandavid100> hm
[11:52] <TheSheep> frandavid100: if you choose it, and follow the wizard, there is an 'reinstall grub' option
[11:52] <frandavid100> didn't notice that entry
[11:52] <frandavid100> whoa you made my day then
[11:52] <TheSheep> frandavid100: may be it's only on the alt cd though
[11:52] <frandavid100> hm
[11:52] <TheSheep> frandavid100: but no worries, you can do that manually
[11:53] <frandavid100> that wouldn't be too cool, how can I do it manually just in case?
[11:54] <TheSheep> frandavid100: open terminal, boot grub
[11:54] <TheSheep> frandavid100: sorry
[11:54] <TheSheep> frandavid100: open terminal, type 'grub'
[11:54] <TheSheep> frandavid100: wait for it to start
[11:54] <TheSheep> frandavid100: what partition is xubuntu installed on?
[11:56] <hoth> THE sheep: I used sudo update-manager -c -d to get the upgrade
[11:57] <TheSheep> hoth: can you fetch that file manually?
[11:57] <frandavid100> er, /dev/hdc1 actually
[11:57] <hoth> from where? I haven seen where to get it
[11:57] <TheSheep> hoth: wget http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper-security/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2
[11:57] <hoth> thanks will try it
[11:58] <TheSheep> frandavid100: ok, so in the grub, type 'root (hd0,0)'
[11:58] <TheSheep> frandavid100: then 'setup (hd0)'
[11:59] <frandavid100> Selected disk does not exist
[11:59] <frandavid100> :(
[11:59] <TheSheep> O.o
[11:59] <TheSheep> fun!
[11:59] <maxamillion> ?
[11:59] <TheSheep> frandavid100: look ath this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=00caf72db97773cc843faa189c0254d7&t=414514&highlight=reinstall+grub
[11:59] <maxamillion> whoa ... that's no good
[11:59] <alnokta> TheSheep: why ctrl+alt+f1 don't work with the original driver and works with vesa?
[12:00] <frandavid100> I think I'd rather reinstall again, but... will my data be safe if I do so?
[12:00] <_StefanS_> hi there
[12:00] <TheSheep> alnokta: some drivers have problems with switching to text mode and back, maybe they disabled it?
[12:00] <TheSheep> frandavid100: no
[12:00] <_StefanS_> I've got a headless via c7 server, and want to serve clients with a remote xfce desktop, what is the easiest way ?
[12:00] <frandavid100> damn
[12:01] <TheSheep> frandavid100: at least not if you have it all on one partition
[12:01] <Terramel> Hello
[12:01] <TheSheep> frandavid100: do you have a separate /home partition?
[12:01] <Terramel> where is the MD5 for Xubuntu?
[12:01] <Terramel> for feisty
[12:01] <frandavid100> I wish
[12:01] <frandavid100> ok I'll sort it out tomorrow, it's late
[12:01] <TheSheep> frandavid100: what does 'sudo fdsik -l' say?
[12:02] <alnokta> TheSheep: ah, may be, i will just stick with vesa, its not much different from it anyway
[12:02] <TheSheep> fdsik
[12:02] <ulf_am_beat> StefS: vnc?
[12:02] <TheSheep> sorry
[12:02] <frandavid100> command not found
[12:03] <frandavid100> need to go, thanks for your help and patience TheSheep
[12:03] <frandavid100> really
[12:03] <_StefanS_> ulf_am_beat: yea, but I was just wondering the best way to do it in xfce , it would just start a vncserver on a display that boots into xfce
[12:03] <TheSheep> frandavid100: ok, good night
[12:03] <frandavid100> see you tomorrow!
[12:03] <TheSheep> frandavid100: hope you get it sorted out
[12:03] <_StefanS_> ulf_am_beat: just sort of checking what would be the preferred way to do it ;)
[12:03] <TheSheep> _StefanS_: there are vnc servers that work similar to rdesktop -- allow you to log in
[12:04] <TheSheep> _StefanS_: there is also LTSP
[12:04] <TheSheep> _StefanS_: actually, I think LTSP is the way :)
[12:04] <_StefanS_> TheSheep: uhm ok, I would just like it to keep a session running at all times that I can connect to. Guess vnc is the way to go
[12:04] <TheSheep> _StefanS_: ah, ok, yes
[12:04] <TheSheep> _StefanS_: this or nxclient
[12:04] <_StefanS_> TheSheep: I know what you mean, but I'm the only user, soo .. :)
[12:05] <ulf_am_beat> xrdp is okay for a beat system :)
[12:05] <_StefanS_> TheSheep: well doesn't nxclient suspend the session ?
[12:05] <_StefanS_> TheSheep: or i might be mistaken
[12:05] <ulf_am_beat> rxdp? beta? oh well..
[12:06] <TheSheep> _StefanS_: not sure, I've only heard some good things about it
[12:06] <_StefanS_> TheSheep: it is very good, but I cant remember if it keeps the sessions running.
[12:06] <ulf_am_beat> me too, but i dont thing its open source, isnit?
[12:06] <_StefanS_> TheSheep: only way to find out ....
[12:07] <TheSheep> ulf_am_beat: no
[12:07] <TheSheep> goodnight everyone
[12:07] <Pumpernickel> peace
[12:08] <_StefanS_> night
[12:08] <_StefanS_> thanks for the help
[12:09] <maxamillion> TheSheep: good night
[12:15] <pokieo> hello can anyone help me?
[12:16] <Pumpernickel> !anyone
[12:16] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[12:16] <pokieo> okay, I am trying to login as root and when I try the login page tells me I can't login fromthere
[12:17] <pokieo> I am trying to update the virus definitions
[12:17] <Pumpernickel> Yeah, root is disabled by default.  You can use `sudo` from your regular account.
[12:18] <pokieo> yes in the terminal
[12:18] <pokieo> but what about when the progam is installed and needs to run in root?
[12:19] <maxamillion> pokieo: sudo will give it root privilages without having to require the root account be enabled
[12:19] <maxamillion> !sudo | pokieo
[12:19] <ubotu> pokieo: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[12:19] <maxamillion> !botsnack
[12:19] <ubotu> Yum!
[12:19] <pokieo> thanks
[12:20] <maxamillion> pokieo: no problem
[12:21] <maxamillion> pokieo: i know its a little different and it might take a little getting used to if you are coming from another distro, but it really helps take the ambiguity out of desktop administration and it also adds a little bit of security because you only have an admin account and not root.... kinda like how Mac OS X does it by default
[12:25] <alnokta> can i change the refresh rate of monitor manually?
[12:27] <alnokta> !ubotu refresh rate
[12:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about refresh rate - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi