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| lamont | as opposed to letting the window manager do its job | 12:44 |
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| Burgwork | lamont: maybe the window manager that the developer uses doesn't play nice? | 12:46 |
| lamont | it's still wrong | 12:47 |
| lamont | if I want it to have focus, I tell the wm to do it. taking focus because you think you know more than the user or his window manager is wrong | 12:47 |
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| lamont | fwiw, gaim does the same thing | 12:47 |
| lamont | equally b0rken, of course. | 12:47 |
| lamont | and most metacity users wouldn't notice it, since metacity does the same thing by default | 12:48 |
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| cjwatson | ok, at least one jigdo (ubuntu-7.04-alternate-i386.jigdo) confirmed fixed | 01:33 |
| cjwatson | for those who reported jigdo problems | 01:33 |
| cjwatson | there are still six jigdo files I believe to be broken (ia64, sparc, source of various flavours), but I'm progressively fixing those too | 01:33 |
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| elpargo | hi is the firefox .pc file missing in 7.04? | 02:09 |
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| vustar | why does https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyKnownIssues redirect to http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/704 ? | 02:11 |
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| cjwatson | vustar: because it was a holding page for preparing that page on the website | 02:20 |
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| vustar | cjwatson, where can I find the feisty's system requirement ? | 02:22 |
| vustar | cjwatson, thanks | 02:22 |
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| jdub | http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/oreilly/radar/atom/~3/110729240/ubuntu_word_on.html | 03:14 |
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| mtm8 | Would anyone be able to help me figure out the d-i partman-auto/expert_recipe_file string /hd-media/recipe line that comes standard with the alternate CD installer for remastering purposes? | 03:14 |
| mtm8 | 1) Where is /hd-media 2) How can I make a partition scheme as follows?: /dev/sda1: 128 M for /boot (ext2) with no disk space allocated for the super user with noauto,noatime options for mounting, /dev/sda2: 40 G for / with 3 percent disk space allocated for the super user and defaults,errors=remount-ro options for mounting, /dev/sda3: 11 G extended partition, /dev/sda4: an NTFS partition that isn't mounted, /dev/sda5: 1 G swap, /dev/sda6: 10 G (ext3) partitio | 03:14 |
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| mtm8 | Does anyone know how to setup a preseed file for a remastered alternate CD so that it partitions in the following manner? | 03:25 |
| mtm8 | /dev/sda1: 128 M (ext2) mounted as /boot with 0% reserved for superuser and noauto,noatime mount options; /dev/sda2: 40 G (ext3) mounted as / with 3% reserved for superuser and defaults,errors=remount-ro mount options; /dev/sda3: 11 G extended partition; /dev/sda4: NTFS partition, not mounted; /dev/sda5: 1 G for swap; /dev/sda6: 10 G (ext3) mounted as /home/DOMAIN with 0% reserved for superuser and defaults,grpquota mount options | 03:25 |
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| sonictwin | how cani edit the applications - places - system menu? | 03:45 |
| sonictwin | under places - i want to remove two folders that were dragged there mistakenly | 03:45 |
| Burgundavia | sonictwin: #ubuntu for support, but you can right click on it | 03:45 |
| sonictwin | right clicking it just opens it | 03:46 |
| Burgundavia | then I cannot help you | 03:46 |
| sonictwin | ty though | 03:46 |
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| Fjodor | fabbione: ping? | 07:53 |
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| fabbione | Fjodor: pong | 08:01 |
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| Fjodor | fabbione: Would you be coming to rhus today? | 08:04 |
| fabbione | Fjodor: no sorry. I am not feeling good. | 08:05 |
| Fjodor | fabbione: Oh, sorry to hear (on both counts). I do hope you get better then | 08:06 |
| fabbione | Fjodor: thanks | 08:06 |
| ion_ | tzdata (2007e-0ubuntu0.6.10~prop1) edgy-proposed; urgency=low | 08:06 |
| ion_ | - Introduces two new time zones (America/Indiana/Winamac and America/Resolute). | 08:06 |
| ion_ | Winamac sounds like an Apple campaign. :-) | 08:07 |
| StevenK | Hah | 08:07 |
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| Treenaks | ion_: maybe it is :) | 08:17 |
| ion_ | :-) | 08:17 |
| Treenaks | ion_: though it's next to Star City, according to google | 08:19 |
| Treenaks | (though I doubt it's the same Star City as the Russians use to train cosmonauts ;)) | 08:19 |
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| mdke | cjwatson_: just responded to your comment on bug 84273 | 08:56 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 84273 in ubuntu-website "hash for feisty on the md5sum page" [Wishlist,Rejected] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84273 | 08:56 |
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| ion_ | benc: Hi. You might have noticed already, but anyway: http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_100.14.03.html Added support for GeForce 8600 GTS, GeForce 8600 GT, GeForce 8500 GT, GeForce 8400 GS, and GeForce 8300 GS | 09:00 |
| jsgotangco | the bugs! the bugs! | 09:00 |
| ion_ | benc: And at the same time they changed the version number format. :-) | 09:01 |
| tepsipakki | ion_: the free driver also got support for those (2.0.2) | 09:01 |
| tepsipakki | hm, actually only 8500/8600 | 09:02 |
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| tepsipakki | ah, 8300/8400 support is in git | 09:04 |
| tepsipakki | "support" being the pci-id's | 09:04 |
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| ion_ | treenaks: Hear, hear | 09:05 |
| Burgundavia | tepsipakki: what do you think of this xorg/HAL stuff? | 09:05 |
| tepsipakki | Burgundavia: input-hotplug? | 09:06 |
| Treenaks | tepsipakki: and display-hotplug | 09:06 |
| ion_ | I(m going to) *love* that functionality. | 09:06 |
| Mithrandir | so, anybody running gutsy yet? :-P | 09:06 |
| Treenaks | Mithrandir: you? colin? :P | 09:07 |
| tepsipakki | Burgundavia: I've been following the thread.. but don't have an opinion of my own yet :) | 09:07 |
| Mithrandir | Treenaks: I'm not doing it yet. | 09:07 |
| Burgundavia | tepsipakki: opensource, easy to use, multiseat is something I am looking forward too | 09:07 |
| tepsipakki | Mithrandir: there's just tzdata for now :) | 09:07 |
| Mithrandir | tepsipakki: I know, I just accepted it. | 09:07 |
| tepsipakki | hehe | 09:08 |
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| fabbione | Mithrandir: i do :))) | 09:42 |
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| jsgotangco | hey sabdfl | 09:53 |
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| sabdfl | hey jsgotangco, how's life in the East? | 10:01 |
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| ajmitch | hey sabdfl, celebrated feisty release in style? | 10:02 |
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| bhale | hi sabdfl, ajmitch | 10:02 |
| ajmitch | hi bhale | 10:02 |
| jsgotangco | sabdfl: 36C here at the moment..ouch | 10:05 |
| Hobbsee | nice and warm :) | 10:05 |
| jsgotangco | Hobbsee: 87% humidity | 10:06 |
| Hobbsee | jsgotangco: now that's a bit much | 10:06 |
| ajmitch | ah, winter is approaching then? :) | 10:06 |
| jsgotangco | we average 60% humidity since summer came | 10:07 |
| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: w.r.t running gutsy - does pbuilder count? | 10:07 |
| Mithrandir | Hobbsee: no. :-P | 10:07 |
| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: awww, darn | 10:07 |
| === Hobbsee should, though | ||
| StevenK | I'm not running Feisty yet. | 10:07 |
| Hobbsee | StevenK: catch up then! | 10:07 |
| StevenK | Soon. | 10:07 |
| ajmitch | morning Mithrandir | 10:08 |
| Mithrandir | hiya ajmitch | 10:08 |
| sabdfl | jsgotangco: welcome to the sauna | 10:09 |
| StevenK | Mithrandir: Recovered after the Feisty release? | 10:09 |
| Mithrandir | StevenK: getting there. | 10:10 |
| Hobbsee | jsgotangco: tell you what...i'll swap your weather with ours | 10:10 |
| StevenK | Hobbsee: Hey, it's 20 degrees, it's pleasant at the moment. | 10:10 |
| Hobbsee | bah | 10:10 |
| StevenK | Download all files that we need to get (42359 MiB). | 10:13 |
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| === StevenK kicks debmirror. | ||
| StevenK | I already have that much locally debmirror, kthxbye | 10:13 |
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| ajmitch | hm | 10:14 |
| ajmitch | next billing cycle in 3 days | 10:15 |
| ajmitch | I wonder how much I went over this month | 10:15 |
| ajmitch | ah, painful | 10:15 |
| ion_ | Over what? | 10:16 |
| Hobbsee | whisky tango foxtrot...this idea is just getting more and more bizarre... | 10:16 |
| StevenK | Hah | 10:16 |
| StevenK | Hobbsee: Which? | 10:17 |
| Hobbsee | StevenK: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2007-April/000763.html | 10:18 |
| Hobbsee | (the latest post hasnt shown up there yet, i dont think) | 10:18 |
| StevenK | That meta-distro thing? | 10:18 |
| Hobbsee | oh, yes it has | 10:18 |
| Hobbsee | yep | 10:18 |
| Hobbsee | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2007-April/000774.html is the last, and doesnt appear to be threaded | 10:18 |
| Hobbsee | something tells me if ubuntu says "hi, we're going to take over the entire linux world, adn call it ubuntu"...most people wont be terribly pleased... | 10:19 |
| StevenK | Um. Eww | 10:19 |
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| mneptok | "Ubuntu has bees so successful as a user-friendly Linux distribution that I think it's time to see tho community wark on projects like intercontinental railroad logistics or unassisted human flight." | 10:28 |
| mneptok | *been | 10:28 |
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| Mithrandir | morning mneptok | 10:29 |
| Hobbsee | hi mneptok | 10:30 |
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| mneptok | mornin' | 10:49 |
| mneptok | shifting the sleep cycle this weekend. | 10:50 |
| ajmitch | hey mneptok | 10:51 |
| Mithrandir | woo, gutsy binutils building. | 10:51 |
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| mneptok | heya ajmitch | 10:51 |
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| Mithrandir | probably won't make this publisher run, though | 10:53 |
| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: pedal faster, and it might! :D | 10:53 |
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| Hobbsee | ajmitch: s/feisty/gusty/ perhaps? | 10:54 |
| ajmitch | yeah, habit :) | 10:54 |
| lifeless | is dapper meant to auto-detect the upgrade to fisty? | 10:54 |
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| mneptok | heehee. a "gusty" from Hobbsee O:) | 10:54 |
| ajmitch | it'll take a few weeks to break | 10:55 |
| ivoks | lifeless: no | 10:55 |
| Hobbsee | er, gutsy | 10:55 |
| mpt | fisty and gusty | 10:55 |
| === Hobbsee beats mneptok | ||
| ajmitch | that misspelling probably won't stop :) | 10:55 |
| Hobbsee | no. as long as we all get it right in changelogs | 10:55 |
| Hobbsee | or dch gets updated :) | 10:55 |
| === mneptok is usually betean by a pair or ace high | ||
| mneptok | Flatulent Fawn. Gusty Gibbon. | 10:56 |
| mpt | Wordy, Hairy, Bronzy, Dipper, Itchy, Fisty, Gusty | 10:56 |
| mpt | These are the releases of the starship Ubutnu | 10:56 |
| === ajmitch remembers to stick in the 'farting monkey release' into his f-spot changelog | ||
| mneptok | i saw Farting Monkey Release on their '92 tour. great show. | 10:56 |
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee: There are new devscripts/vim/etc in UNAPPROVED, so I presume that's already been done. | 10:57 |
| mneptok | ooo! better yet. as a label to some big lever inside a commercial airliner. | 10:57 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: great :) | 10:57 |
| bryce | Gutty Gibbs, the next new Quake enhancement | 10:57 |
| mpt | http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/oz/images/vc13.jpg | 10:58 |
| ajmitch | bryce: I heard you got suckered into X? | 10:58 |
| mneptok | mpt: and your little dog, too! | 10:58 |
| bryce | heh | 10:59 |
| mneptok | bryce: BTW, where in OR? | 10:59 |
| bryce | ajmitch: tell me what the punchline is here? | 10:59 |
| bryce | mneptok: Tigard (near Beaverton) | 10:59 |
| ajmitch | :) | 10:59 |
| mneptok | bryce: Canonical moved me to Montreal from Cedar Hills Blvd. area in B-tron | 11:00 |
| ajmitch | just looking at the motto of the x-swat team :) | 11:00 |
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| bryce | ajmitch: previously I'd been doing NFSv4 testing, so Xorg maintaining seems pretty thrilling in comparison ;-) | 11:00 |
| ajmitch | yes, it certainly would | 11:00 |
| bryce | mneptok: wow | 11:00 |
| mneptok | bryce: X.org maintenance + long, sunless winters = worriod mnep | 11:01 |
| mneptok | *worried | 11:01 |
| mneptok | bryce: kees is in SE | 11:01 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 11:01 |
| bryce | yup | 11:01 |
| mneptok | and i get to travel to exotic PDX for Ulive | 11:01 |
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| mneptok | i guess it will be nice to see friends, but Seville sounds so much more interseting. | 11:02 |
| === bryce nods | ||
| mneptok | although Seville doesn't have Powell's | 11:02 |
| mpt | ajmitch, is <http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/appinfo.html?csaid=8BAD38809EB97475> similar to what you were working on? | 11:02 |
| === bryce has too many books already | ||
| ajmitch | mpt: yes, similar to what I'm still working on :) | 11:03 |
| Mithrandir | bryce: oh, so you'll make sure our NFSv4 support is great too? :-) | 11:03 |
| bryce | heh | 11:03 |
| Mithrandir | bryce: excellent, since then I don't have to. ;-) | 11:03 |
| mpt | ajmitch, is it complicated, or do you have very little free time, or both? | 11:03 |
| === ajmitch got back to FDS stuff recently | ||
| ajmitch | mpt: both at the moment | 11:03 |
| mpt | ok | 11:03 |
| ajmitch | hopefully #2 will improve a lot soon | 11:03 |
| ajmitch | I'm not entirely sure what the SoC project is proposing besides an easy way to setup FDS | 11:04 |
| ajmitch | which really requires packages | 11:04 |
| Mithrandir | it looks like the wrong solution. "Write a program to make it easy to set up FDS" rather than just "Make it easier to set up FDS". | 11:05 |
| bryce | Mithrandir: unfortunately the test lab I'd built for nfsv4 is scheduled for demolition/ebay soon | 11:05 |
| mpt | Every time someone adds another item to Ubuntu's Administration menu, God kills a kitten | 11:05 |
| ajmitch | Mithrandir: I presume the student will end up changing the project a bit | 11:05 |
| mneptok | oh my god. i just realized i'll be seeing iwj vs. Powell's! | 11:06 |
| mneptok | this will be epic. | 11:06 |
| mpt | (That was poorly worded, sorry) | 11:08 |
| lifeless | FDS? | 11:08 |
| ajmitch | fedora directory server | 11:08 |
| bryce | mpt, did you mean every time god kills a kitten, another entry appears in Ubuntu's Administration menu? I can confirm that. | 11:08 |
| ajmitch | formerly netscape | 11:09 |
| mpt | bryce, no, that would mean solely US kitten deaths would cause 4,763,225 items to appear in Ubuntu's Administration menu per year | 11:10 |
| bryce | you're not seeing that? | 11:11 |
| mpt | Not so much | 11:11 |
| bryce | huh | 11:11 |
| mpt | What I was trying to say was, when there's a GUI for something missing from Ubuntu, people's instinct isn't "where would the GUI make the most sense", but "I know, I'll make a new program for configuring this" | 11:12 |
| tepsipakki | Mithrandir: nfsv4 works just fine on ubuntu, it's kerberos that makes me pull my hair off sometimes (some software not designed to handle $HOME becoming inaccessible) | 11:16 |
| ajmitch | tepsipakki: but kerberos is so much fun :) | 11:17 |
| tepsipakki | ajmitch: no doubt ;) | 11:18 |
| tepsipakki | it only breaks usability somewhat | 11:18 |
| bryce | throw automounter into the mix there too | 11:18 |
| ajmitch | tepsipakki: tickets expiring? | 11:18 |
| bryce | ajmitch: well, even just troubleshooting why you don't get the auth in the first place can be hard to figure out | 11:19 |
| bryce | nfsv4 error messages can be rather esoteric | 11:19 |
| ajmitch | true, but I imagine that a kerberos ticket expiring when you need it for $HOME could make your day awkward | 11:19 |
| sladen | cjwatson_: the jidgo format /is/ described somewhere---it's a list of literal data and checksums | 11:20 |
| tepsipakki | ajmitch: yep | 11:20 |
| sladen | cjwatson_: the checksums are MD5sum but not in the standard hex format (no no, NIH is so much better) | 11:20 |
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| sladen | cjwatson_: never mind it was scroll-locked from a couple of days ago | 11:21 |
| tepsipakki | ajmitch: gnome-screensaver can handle refreshing the ticket, if pam_krb5 is set up, but gconfd/gnome-settings-daemon can get confused when $HOME is not accessible | 11:28 |
| === ajmitch also uses krb5-auth-dialog to help refresh tickets | ||
| === Mithrandir just uses the screensaver for that | ||
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| maswan | ajmitch: it's mostly browsers that break, I have a "find .mozilla -name '*lock* |xargs rm" handy for when firefox crashes. | 11:39 |
| ajmitch | how evil | 11:40 |
| maswan | I have my $HOME in afs at work | 11:40 |
| maswan | oh, and I've recently had cause to run gaim for a jabber conference thingie, and that keeps silently hanging every other night | 11:42 |
| maswan | if someone else gets hit by this, i guess we should start submitting bugs then. :) | 11:43 |
| ajmitch | of course :) | 11:43 |
| === \sh is really stupid... | ||
| ajmitch | what broke? | 11:44 |
| ajmitch | bad server change? | 11:45 |
| \sh | ajmitch: still my vmware prob..tested with 1.0.0 and 1.0.2 same shit different version | 11:45 |
| ajmitch | ah | 11:45 |
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| \sh | /usr/lib/vmware/bin/vmware: /usr/lib/vmware/lib/libpng12.so.0/libpng12.so.0: no version information available (required by /usr/lib/libcairo.so.2) | 11:45 |
| \sh | is the error...and I don't find anyway to stop that .. VMWARE_USE_SHIPPED_GTK=force vmware doesn't work either...it just doesn't start up | 11:46 |
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| \sh | does anyone know if a intel dual core t2050 supports x86_64? | 11:47 |
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| ajmitch | hm, no headers for the running kernel on the laptpo | 11:54 |
| \sh | ajmitch: you need vmware-any-any-update109.tar.gz | 11:55 |
| ajmitch | no, I need to upgrade & reboot into the released feisty kernel | 11:55 |
| ajmitch | still running -13 | 11:55 |
| \sh | and those people from intel removed the specs for intel core duo t2050 somehow.. | 11:55 |
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| Treenaks | \sh: they seem to have removed all Core (1) Duo stuff.. I can only find core 2 duo things | 12:13 |
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| mastroDani | hi. I have some question on the libata for ata disk you used from edgy in ubuntu. ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks ) i would like to know why you choosen to use this, what are the advantage? do you know it's not possible to tweak the disk setting with hdparm anymore? i'm a bit concerned on security of the system too.. if you choosen to do a think like this MUST be a good reason, and i want to know w | 01:03 |
| mastroDani | hat this good reason is.. thanks | 01:03 |
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| SoftIce | where is the best place to find out what development or better yet why no development for vserver has been intergrated into ubuntu fesity? | 02:23 |
| SoftIce | #ubuntu people don't know shit | 02:24 |
| elkbuntu | insulting people will not get answers | 02:28 |
| Hobbsee | SoftIce: think about it. it's probably not done because someone hasnt done it. why dont you be that someone? | 02:28 |
| === lifeless prefers Hobbsee' answer | ||
| Hobbsee | lifeless: *grin* | 02:29 |
| SoftIce | elkbuntu was its fscking frustrating seeking help and nobody can answer you | 02:31 |
| SoftIce | and I have no problem building an ubuntu server kernel for vserver, i just wanted answers | 02:32 |
| SoftIce | was/well | 02:32 |
| elkbuntu | SoftIce, it is still not an excuse to insult people. We have a code of conduct in this community and it'd be nice if you could respect it | 02:33 |
| Hobbsee | SoftIce: if you'd actually looked, you would have seen that there are 1300 or so people in that channel - if yours is a corner case question, it probably wont get answered. | 02:33 |
| SoftIce | Hobbsee: i've spent numerous amounts of time helping people in that channel, I feel its only fair that I get some answers. | 02:34 |
| SoftIce | otherwise, what is the point of that saying, you scratch my back I... | 02:35 |
| Hobbsee | SoftIce: think about it - it's more likely that people didnt know, because you were asking about something not-well-known, rather than you being ignored | 02:35 |
| lifeless | so | 02:35 |
| SoftIce | ok, sorry. i'm in the wrong.. | 02:36 |
| SoftIce | just frustrated.. sorry once again | 02:36 |
| Hobbsee | did you check google? | 02:36 |
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| \sh | Xen packages are in the archives...vserver is a special case which isn't touched actively for ubuntu afaik... | 02:37 |
| mastroDani | hi. I have some question on the libata for ata disk you used from edgy in ubuntu. ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks ) i would like to know why you choosen to use this, what are the advantage? do you know it's not possible to tweak the disk setting with hdparm anymore? i'm a bit concerned on security of the system too.. if you choosen to do a think like this MUST be a good reason, and i want to know w | 02:37 |
| mastroDani | hat this good reason is.. thanks | 02:37 |
| mpt | mastroDani, you may well have better luck getting an answer to that question by posting to the ubuntu-devel-discuss@ mailing list | 02:39 |
| mastroDani | mpt, i know.. but i already follow a lot of mailing list.. can't stand another one | 02:39 |
| james_w | mastroDani: there is a Rationale section in the page that you linked to. | 02:39 |
| mdke | mastroDani: you can try using a web frontend to the mailing list to avoid subscribing. Try news.gmane.org | 02:40 |
| mastroDani | if somebody can adress me to the guy that taken the decision i will contact him directly | 02:40 |
| ion_ | I havent really studied the actual reasons behind the move to libata, but id assume it is to get a common interface for all block devices. Yes, hdparm can be used. I dont see any security implications. | 02:40 |
| mastroDani | mdke, tnx for the advice... | 02:40 |
| mastroDani | i've not much time... but i will | 02:40 |
| mastroDani | ion_, hdparm can't be used, i've tried it | 02:43 |
| mastroDani | ion_, it say something like: this kind of action isn't supported by the device type | 02:43 |
| james_w | mastroDani: have you tried sdparm? | 02:43 |
| mastroDani | james_w, as for i know sdparm is a read-only tool for now | 02:43 |
| mastroDani | that's why i think that the decision to use or not libata should be left to the user.. | 02:44 |
| mastroDani | this means having 2 different kernel to choose from "with" and "without" libata | 02:44 |
| ion_ | mastrodani: Whats the action youre trying to do with hdparm? Just retrieve values, or set something specific? | 02:45 |
| mastroDani | ion_, setting some specifick, optimized one, for my disk | 02:47 |
| ion_ | mastrodani: Have you made a bug report? | 02:48 |
| mastroDani | before edgy i have a setting on /etc/hdparm.conf on /dev/hda ... not it's useless.. i've tried setting the same to /dev/sda without the same result | 02:48 |
| mastroDani | ion_, no.. this is a decision taken a while ago, so i think that a "bug report" it's not the best thing.. i want to talk to the guy(s) that taken this decision before, to understand why | 02:48 |
| ion_ | libata is the way to go, period. If theres a regression with some (perhaps rarely used) feature, its a bug but not a reason to stay with the worse solution forever. | 02:49 |
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| mastroDani | james_w, you see.. the rationale section on that link say it is simplier to use only one system... my objection is this: we pay on performance for keeping things simplier to the developers (how much simplier? not much i think) | 02:50 |
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| ion_ | we pay on performance seems to be somewhat unfounded statement. | 02:51 |
| mastroDani | ion_, i think libata it's not ready for this, when it will be completely "as if" you are not using it then it will be ready | 02:51 |
| mastroDani | ion_, i can't use hdparm anymore, so i pay on performance | 02:51 |
| ion_ | mastrodani: Have you filed a bug report? | 02:52 |
| mastroDani | ion_, as i told you before, i want to talk to the guy that token this decision before filing a bug | 02:53 |
| ogra | there is no such guy | 02:55 |
| ogra | file a bug | 02:55 |
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| mastroDani | ogra, ok... | 02:59 |
| mastroDani | i think that it will be ignored but i will | 02:59 |
| Amaranth | mastroDani: So don't make the bug 'revert the change to libata' | 02:59 |
| ogra | mastroDani, specs are never decided by a single person .... its a week of discussion in the group of developers that goes before that | 03:00 |
| Amaranth | Your specific problem is that a specific hdparm option doesn't work anymore | 03:00 |
| Amaranth | that's what the bug report should say | 03:00 |
| ogra | the rationale is pretty clear stated in the spec wikipage btw | 03:00 |
| ogra | the old implementation will go away ... | 03:00 |
| Amaranth | Using one subsystem for all storage devices makes things much simpler | 03:01 |
| ogra | that as well | 03:01 |
| Amaranth | And yeah, this would happen eventually anyway because upstream is doing it | 03:01 |
| mastroDani | phone | 03:03 |
| mastroDani | Amaranth, i don't see this "simplier".. ones a disk as been recognized and mounted you can use it in the same way, IDE o SCSI doesn't matter anymore | 03:06 |
| mastroDani | Amaranth, anyway tnx.. i will file this bug | 03:07 |
| Amaranth | mastroDani: Less duplication of code | 03:07 |
| Amaranth | mastroDani: Instead of having similar code for every type of storage device they all share a common base | 03:07 |
| ogra | less duplication f maintenance tools ;) | 03:07 |
| jmg | OMFG SLAYER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 03:07 |
| Amaranth | and common bug fixes :) | 03:07 |
| ogra | as you can see with hdparm | 03:07 |
| jmg | oopz.... wrong chan | 03:08 |
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| mastroDani | Amaranth, i see your point of view, but i always think that is more important the final result than the this | 03:11 |
| mastroDani | ogra, it's right.. but in this case: FIRST wait that sdparm is ready to do anything hdparm can do.. and than change it | 03:12 |
| mastroDani | not before | 03:12 |
| Amaranth | It's impossible to have zero regressions unless you stop coding completely | 03:12 |
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| Amaranth | I'm willing to accept short-term regressions in functionality for long-term benefits | 03:13 |
| ogra | mastroDani, well, instead of having the problem in gutsy because upstream made the switch you have it now ... | 03:13 |
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| mastroDani | well guys.. thanks for your time and goodbye | 03:20 |
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| mdke | hmm. I go away on holiday, come back and find that nautilus has gone away on holiday too and taken my desktop with it | 03:24 |
| StevenK | Heh | 03:24 |
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| Hobbsee | mdke: you didnt *really* want nautilus and your desktop, did you? | 03:25 |
| mdke | Hobbsee: no, no. I'm just being picky | 03:25 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 03:26 |
| mdke | ah, the classic rm -rf ~/.nautilus has done the trick | 03:28 |
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| cjwatson | mdke: I've replied again on the hash thing. I'm sorry but that is desperately, desperately bogus. | 03:44 |
| cjwatson | straightforward instructions for checking MD5SUMS.gpg would be infinitely better than people trusting hashes published on a wiki page | 03:45 |
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| mdke | cjwatson: ok thanks; but it was the solution elmo recommended | 03:47 |
| cjwatson | I'll talk to elmo, it's hideously wrrong | 03:48 |
| mdke | cjwatson: digging out the bug now | 03:48 |
| cjwatson | I'll see elmo in the London office on Monday | 03:48 |
| cjwatson | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM does not even mention gpg | 03:49 |
| cjwatson | anyway, weekend | 03:49 |
| mdke | cjwatson: ok! I'll leave it to you (footnote - that wiki page is only editable by me and newz) | 03:49 |
| mdke | still your solution is better anyway | 03:50 |
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| cjwatson | ok, I hadn't realised it was an immutable page, which makes it a bit less awfl | 03:51 |
| mdke | ;) | 03:51 |
| mdke | still, you're right that there is nothing on that wiki to indicate to users how reliable a page is | 03:52 |
| StevenK | mdke: That's a problem inherient to wikis. | 03:52 |
| StevenK | mdke: Case in point, Wikipedia | 03:52 |
| mdke | StevenK: wikipedia does a very good job of indicating how reliable its editors consider a page to be, which is much better than ours. But in this case, it's a rather different question | 03:53 |
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| StevenK | mdke: (on Wikipedia) But only to a point. How do you propose this is fixed/addressed for {help,wiki}.u.c? | 03:55 |
| mdke | StevenK: in a similar way. The (unloved) spec is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpWikiQualityAssurance | 03:55 |
| StevenK | mdke: Looks sensible. | 03:57 |
| StevenK | But being sensible doesn't help a spec get implemented. :_) | 03:57 |
| mdke | StevenK: that's right | 03:57 |
| mdke | needs a coder interested in documentation, or a webmaster with a bit of time on his hands. Both are quite rare beasts | 03:58 |
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| rburton | hm | 04:28 |
| rburton | seeking keybuk | 04:28 |
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| elpargo | hi how can I get the compiler flags used to build an official ubuntu package? | 05:19 |
| ivoks | i see you are a gentoo user :) | 05:20 |
| ivoks | every package has debian/ subdir in its source | 05:20 |
| ivoks | there's a rules file in which building of a package is defined | 05:20 |
| elpargo | ivoks, yes but my gentoo box die a while ago and I haven't been able to get some time to rebuild it :( | 05:21 |
| elpargo | ivoks, but that's in the src package right? | 05:21 |
| ivoks | elpargo: yes | 05:22 |
| StevenK | Could that be because it takes 3 days to install Gentoo? | 05:22 |
| elpargo | umm ok let me go get that one | 05:22 |
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| elpargo | StevenK, of course specially when you need to compile X and it fails | 05:23 |
| elpargo | but it's worth it I will have fix this issue I had hours ago if I where in gentoo... | 05:23 |
| ivoks | all gentoo users and doko should get them selfs a t-shirt "I compile OpenOffice, do you?" | 05:23 |
| ivoks | :) | 05:23 |
| bluefoxicy | openoffice.org-bin | 05:23 |
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| elpargo | as bluefoxicy says I use that bin, well actually I don't use it much but yes bin package are in the tree too | 05:24 |
| ivoks | when i used it, i compiled everything | 05:25 |
| bluefoxicy | I have 2 gigs of RAM and don't want to use OOo ;) | 05:25 |
| mjr | bluefoxicy, but it's not about the memory anymore at that point :] | 05:25 |
| ivoks | soon i could throw my battery in trash... then i diched gentoo :) | 05:25 |
| elpargo | ok stupid question where can I get hte src package? | 05:26 |
| ivoks | apt-get source [name of the package] | 05:26 |
| elpargo | what I like about gentoo is flexibility, I almost want to format my machine when I try to delete some program I don't use and it tries to take "ubuntu-desktop" along with it | 05:27 |
| elpargo | oh didn't knew of that switch | 05:27 |
| ivoks | ubuntu-desktop is matapackage for collection of programs | 05:28 |
| elpargo | E: Unable to find a source package for vlc | 05:28 |
| ivoks | removing it, your desktop doesn't lose anything (in short run) | 05:28 |
| Treenaks | ivoks: well, a few files in /var/lib/dpkg/ ;) | 05:29 |
| elpargo | ivoks, "in short run" :) | 05:29 |
| ivoks | well, you have to enable source repositories in sources.list | 05:29 |
| ivoks | elpargo: yes, when you dist upgrade to newer version, ubuntu-desktop could depend on some other packages | 05:29 |
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| elpargo | umm gack I just can't get into .deb they are too messy :) | 05:31 |
| StevenK | Messy?! | 05:31 |
| ivoks | lol | 05:31 |
| elpargo | ivoks, I got deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty restricted | 05:31 |
| ivoks | maybe "i don't understand", but messy... :) | 05:31 |
| elpargo | ohh ok nm | 05:32 |
| StevenK | elpargo: You probably want more sections than just restricted. :-) | 05:32 |
| elpargo | StevenK, yup that's why the nm :) | 05:32 |
| StevenK | Ah. :-) | 05:32 |
| elpargo | yes deb package are messy ebuild's are beautiful | 05:32 |
| ivoks | universe is what you need for vlc | 05:32 |
| StevenK | But ebuilds are just a shell script. They don't contain either source or binaries. | 05:33 |
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| ivoks | you can't compase deb and ebuild; totaly diferent things | 05:33 |
| StevenK | And what ivoks said. | 05:33 |
| ivoks | compare | 05:33 |
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| elpargo | StevenK, not really with the patches dir and such, I was refering to the emerge system for example all the "helper" eclass,etc. | 05:34 |
| elpargo | StevenK, ivoks starting with the 10 or so files you need for a deb src package | 05:34 |
| ivoks | right; those files define much more than ebuild | 05:35 |
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| elpargo | ivoks, like? | 05:35 |
| elpargo | today is my lucky day Failed to fetch http://do.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/v/vlc/vlc_0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-1ubuntu1.dsc Could not open file vlc_0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-1ubuntu1.dsc - open (13 Permission denied) [IP: 91.189.88.40 80] | 05:40 |
| elpargo | F | 05:40 |
| ivoks | descriptions, dependecies, debconf rules, package relations, conffiles, ond source can contain multiple packages, can contain maintaners own binaries (like pixmaps), patches, etc... | 05:40 |
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| ivoks | sorry, wasn't here for a moment... | 05:40 |
| ivoks | elpargo: opens for me | 05:41 |
| elpargo | ivoks, don't know how long ago you used ebuilds but all that is in the ebuild file, except debconf :) | 05:41 |
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| ivoks | and package relations | 05:42 |
| ivoks | and conffiles | 05:42 |
| elpargo | well the patches are in a special dir and referenced | 05:42 |
| ivoks | and patches.. | 05:42 |
| ivoks | :D | 05:42 |
| elpargo | package relations are calculated by the engine, all you need to say is who you need as usual | 05:42 |
| elpargo | +USE flags which noone else has | 05:43 |
| ivoks | right... | 05:43 |
| elpargo | all my problems will be solve with media-video/vlc python in /etc/package.use :) | 05:45 |
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| elpargo | is this what you where refering to http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/v/vlc/vlc_0.8.6.release-0ubuntu4.dsc I see no build flags there | 05:46 |
| ivoks | no, this is a description file | 05:48 |
| elpargo | ok the debsrc is downloading now | 05:49 |
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| elpargo | <stupidquestion>where r src package installed?</stupidquestion> | 05:54 |
| elpargo | huh pwd?? why? | 05:55 |
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| ivoks | it's not installed | 05:56 |
| ivoks | it's downloaded | 05:56 |
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| elpargo | yes that I notice still weird | 05:56 |
| ivoks | different, not weird | 05:57 |
| ivoks | someone likes red, someone blue; they aren't weird, altough we all know black is the best :D | 05:57 |
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| jdong | don't be a poet. | 05:59 |
| jdong | you'd be good rhyming competition to emily dickinson. | 05:59 |
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| bhale | black is the best. | 05:59 |
| ivoks | i wasn't trying to be a poest :) | 06:00 |
| ivoks | poet | 06:00 |
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| elpargo | :) is there such a think as a "ubuntu deb developer guide"? | 06:06 |
| elpargo | something ala http://devmanual.gentoo.org/ | 06:06 |
| sharms | elpargo: tons. | 06:07 |
| sharms | elpargo: first, your source for all answers + information is at wiki.ubuntu.com | 06:07 |
| sharms | elpargo: you get this search free though, http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/ | 06:07 |
| `23meg | elpargo, there's the debian new maintainer's guide | 06:07 |
| elpargo | sharms, is there any canonical source? ubuntu always has tons of stuff half of it is useless (no offence) | 06:07 |
| sharms | elpargo: that is the source, and everyone who works on Ubuntu uses it as a reference. | 06:08 |
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| `23meg | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | 06:08 |
| elpargo | thanks `23meg sharms | 06:08 |
| sharms | elpargo: if you do find a link that is "totally useless", msg me personally | 06:09 |
| elpargo | sharms, http://ubuntuforums.org/ :) | 06:10 |
| elpargo | anything related to getting vlc or mplayer working in firefox | 06:11 |
| sharms | elpargo: we were on the subject of development documentation. You are referring to issues that are #ubuntu solvable. | 06:11 |
| elpargo | sharms, yes that was a joke | 06:12 |
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| jdong | "a distro compiled for i386 costs majorly in speed, in ways that show up in normal desktop use." | 06:14 |
| jdong | looks like a digg user commented on slashdot :D | 06:14 |
| poningru | rofl | 06:26 |
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| salty-horse | hi. I think the signatures on libnm-glib-dev in feisty are out of date. i can't authenticate it :/ | 06:43 |
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| codeyman | After I build a package with dpkg -b, where is it saved? | 07:36 |
| bhale | one level above the source tree | 07:36 |
| bhale | eg .. | 07:36 |
| codeyman | sridhar@pico:~/Desktop$ sudo dpkg -b helix-player-1.0.8/ | 07:37 |
| codeyman | dpkg-deb: building package `mozilla-helix-player' in `helix-player-1.0.8/.deb'. | 07:37 |
| codeyman | I cant find the deb package now :( | 07:37 |
| bhale | find /home/codeyman -name "*.deb" | 07:37 |
| bhale | ? | 07:37 |
| bhale | dpkg-buildpackage puts the debs one level above the source tree | 07:38 |
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| bhale | and is probably what you want rather than dpkg -b | 07:38 |
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| codeyman | oh k.. | 07:39 |
| bhale | 'dpkg-buildpackages -rfakeroot' in the unpacked source | 07:39 |
| codeyman | there is a .deb in the directory | 07:40 |
| bhale | well there it is :) | 07:40 |
| codeyman | gee.. thanks... ".deb " i hope dpkg -i .deb should take care of the rest?? | 07:41 |
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| bhale | dpkg -i /path/to/my.deb ... sure | 07:47 |
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| nixternal | http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/704tour | 09:20 |
| nixternal | the network manager info, someone just told me that it doesn't look like that on their machine | 09:21 |
| === nixternal don't know since I use KDE | ||
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| mr_pouit | nixternal: it looks like that here (gnome) :| | 09:28 |
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| grayman | well | 10:01 |
| grayman | it don't look like that if you don't have wireless | 10:01 |
| grayman | you got wired network and then goes "manual configuration" | 10:02 |
| grayman | that's about it | 10:02 |
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| Lutin | Mithrandir: around ? | 10:40 |
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| Mithrandir | Lutin: now I am | 11:59 |
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