[01:16] <jenda> juliux: ping
[01:16] <juliux> jenda, pong
[01:16] <jenda> juliux: you can have a 10 day sticky on the forums
[01:16] <jenda> which is long enough to cover till the shirt ordering deadline.
[01:16] <juliux> jenda, great
[01:16] <jenda> I'll probably be buying over 5 shirts myself, btw :)
[01:17] <jenda> (erm, for the LoCo team, that is)
[01:17] <juliux> jenda, i will write something as an replay on my old  post
[01:17] <jenda> Hmm
[01:17] <jenda> I'd recommend starting a new thread
[01:17] <juliux> or should i start a new thread?
[01:17] <juliux> ok i will start a new one;)
[01:17] <jenda> And ask people to make reservations by email (unless you prefer them on the forums)
[01:18] <jenda> My experience says an email reservation is a lot easier to trach :)
[01:18] <jenda> *track
[01:18] <jenda> When you're done, link me to it.
[01:18] <juliux> i only accept mail reservations
[01:32] <jenda> cool
[01:32] <jenda> as do I ;)
[02:11] <MenZa> juliux: May, was it?
[02:12] <juliux> MenZa, 1 may is deadline for reservations
[02:12] <MenZa> ooh
[02:12] <juliux> MenZa, ask the ubuntu-dk team if they also want some shirts;)
[02:12] <MenZa> polo shirts, correct?
[02:13] <MenZa> I'll send out a small bulletin on the mailing list )
[02:13] <MenZa> ;)
[02:13] <juliux> polo shirts, t-shirts, and business shirts;)
[02:35] <Wicks> did I hear... t-shirts?
[02:41] <MenZa> Wicks: yes.
[02:41] <MenZa> juliux: What's your e-mail?
[02:43] <juliux> MenZa, juliux@ubuntu-de.org
[02:43] <MenZa> alright :)
[02:44] <MenZa> sent :)
[02:57] <juliux> MenZa, the shirts are not printed
[02:57] <juliux> MenZa, it is a stickery
[02:57] <juliux> MenZa, and your size is missing
[02:57] <MenZa> Oh yes
[02:57] <MenZa> Wait, polos won't be embroided?
[02:57] <juliux> every thing is embroieded
[02:57] <MenZa> phew
[02:57] <MenZa> Size: large
[02:57] <juliux> we don't make prints
[02:58] <MenZa> So embroids, like the ones on the polo you sent me
[02:58] <MenZa> I'm fine by that :D
[02:58] <juliux> yes
[02:58] <MenZa> awesome
[02:58] <MenZa> Want me to re-send it?
[02:58] <juliux> yes please
[02:58] <MenZa> Will do
[02:59] <juliux> thxs
[02:59] <MenZa> sent, juliux
[02:59] <juliux> it is easier for me to track all the shirt things
[03:00] <MenZa> I imagined :)
[03:00] <MenZa> E-mailing me when they're done?
[03:00] <juliux> yes
[03:00] <MenZa> perfect
[04:06] <mdke> hiya. Anyone working on UWN, I'd appreciate a reply to my mail of 9 April -  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-marketing/2007-April/001810.html
[04:30] <jenda> hmm
[04:31] <jenda> mdke: Have you read the discussion titled 'french addons to the UWN'?
[04:32] <jenda> mdke: perhaps we'd more appreciate if you added your italian bits to the main UWN instead of making a seperate, edited version.
[05:29] <juliux> nixternal, ping
[05:35] <jenda> Quiz today! :)
[05:35] <jenda> 20:00 UTC
[05:35] <juliux> tsts
[05:35] <juliux> jenda, did you have a price?
[05:35] <jenda> After a looong time
[05:36] <jenda> juliux: a prize? of course ;) stickers!
[05:36] <juliux> ok
[05:36] <juliux> i have here still a dvd i sponsored for the quiz
[05:36] <jenda> ah
[05:37] <jenda> ok, I'll give the winner a choice ;)
[05:37] <jenda> juliux: which version is it?
[05:37] <juliux> 6.10
[05:37] <tsmithe> stickers for tsmithe?
[05:37] <juliux> the old one;)
[05:38] <jenda> tsmithe: only if you win ;)
[05:39] <tsmithe> jenda, what about from the last time?!
[05:39] <tsmithe> and for my birthday? :P
[05:39] <tsmithe> you said i could have some :'(
[05:39] <jenda> juliux: I don't think anyone wanted it last time - it seems DVDs interest a different group than the quizes :/
[05:39] <jenda> tsmithe: I _did_?
[05:40] <jenda> Jeez, what've I been smoking ;)
[05:40] <tsmithe> you did indeed
[05:40] <jenda> tsmithe: did you win a quiz?
[05:40] <tsmithe> i did
[05:40] <jenda> and you never got the prize?
[05:41] <jenda> and you didn't donate it?
[05:41] <jenda> if that's the case... well, gimme your address ;)
[05:43] <tsmithe> ok
[05:43] <tsmithe> i didn't know who to nag, so i just didn't :P
[05:45] <MenZa> tsmithe :D
[05:45] <tsmithe> hi MenZa :)
[05:45] <jenda> tsmithe: ok :)
[05:46] <MenZa> heya :)
[05:46] <MenZa> what's up?
[05:46] <tsmithe> jenda, coolio
[05:46] <tsmithe> MenZa, work makes me tired
[05:46] <MenZa> aw :(
[05:47] <tsmithe> nah it's cool. :)
[05:47] <tsmithe> i like having a crappily paid job, but it's better than some of my mates
[05:48] <MenZa> heh
[05:49] <tsmithe> woo 4.60/hour
[05:49] <tsmithe> the prices they charge for bread (it's a bakery) are extortionate
[05:51] <juliux> tsmithe,  4.60==6,7 ?
[05:51] <juliux> tsmithe,  4.60==6,9 ?
[05:51] <tsmithe> something like that :P
[05:52] <tsmithe> and a loaf of white sandwich bread costs 1.26
[05:52] <juliux> tsmithe, here in dresden you get around 5/h
[05:52] <tsmithe> that's like 1.89
[05:52] <tsmithe> juliux, ooh snazzy
[05:53] <juliux> tsmithe, subway paies between 5/h if you are a beginer and after a few years 6/h
[05:53] <poningru> gaah
[05:53] <poningru> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TheFunkyFeistyCompetition
[05:53] <poningru> how come I didnt even know about that?
[05:53] <poningru> no one blogged about it
[05:53] <tsmithe> juliux, wow so i'm doing quite well for a 15 year old :P
[05:54] <tsmithe> and you have subway too? :P
[05:54] <juliux> tsmithe, we have subway here but i am not working there;9
[05:54] <juliux> tsmithe, some of my friends are working for subway
[05:54] <poningru> grr
[05:54] <tsmithe> do they get free subs?
[05:55] <juliux> tsmithe, not too bad
[05:59] <tsmithe> poningru, it was on the mailing lists, i think
[05:59] <tsmithe> juliux, excellent
[05:59] <tsmithe> still not enough to suffice the venezuela fund, though :'(
[05:59] <juliux> tsmithe, but i personal don't like subway,
[05:59] <tsmithe> nor i?
[06:00] <poningru> tsmithe: I dont see it
[06:00] <tsmithe> i'll find where:)
[06:01] <jenda> tsmithe: is extortionate a word?
[06:01] <jenda> tsmithe: btw, there is an ##english on freenode ;)
[06:01] <tsmithe> yes
[06:01] <tsmithe> and what why?
[06:01] <tsmithe> extortionate is a word
[06:01] <tsmithe> poningru, well it's not in my inbox. must have been on planet...
[06:01] <tsmithe> how odd...
[06:02] <poningru> no dude I checked
[06:02] <poningru> its no where
[06:02] <poningru> it wasnt advertized...
[06:02] <poningru> least he could have done is let the marketing team know about it
[06:03] <tsmithe> i found out about it, though...
[06:03] <tsmithe> i have no idea how
[06:04] <poningru> ...
[06:04] <jenda> poningru: which?
[06:04] <poningru> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TheFunkyFeistyCompetition
[06:04] <jenda> aaah
[06:04] <jenda> it was on the fridge
[06:05] <tsmithe> aaahhh
[06:05] <poningru> wth
[06:05] <poningru> how come it wasnt on digg or anything?
[06:05] <tsmithe> jenda, but i never or hardly ever, check the fridge...
[06:05] <tsmithe> so how did i see it?
[06:05] <nixternal> juliux: pong?
[06:06] <poningru> I never check the fridge
[06:06] <juliux> nixternal, we will make polo and t-shirts again, this time black and navy blue ones
[06:06] <nixternal> bigger too right?
[06:06] <juliux> nixternal, ??
[06:06] <nixternal> the 2x was to small
[06:06] <juliux> nixternal, ohh
[06:07] <juliux> nixternal, we will make from S up to 4xl this time
[06:07] <nixternal> lenght wise, and was a little tight in the arms
[06:07] <nixternal> juliux: you make them that size, I will order more :)
[06:08] <juliux> nixternal, we can make 4xl or 3xl but we need a reservation for this sizes until the first of may
[06:08] <juliux> nixternal, same for black shirts
[06:09] <nixternal> 4xl might be to much for me, but I think I would get one or two for my old man, and take the the 3xl for myself
[06:09] <nixternal> so 2 4xl one blue one black, and 2 3xl one blue one black
[06:09] <nixternal> polos
[06:09] <nixternal> I might have you through in a t-shirt or 2 as well
[06:10] <nixternal> so you can count on me for a couple
[06:10] <juliux> nixternal, you can also ask your local ubuntu group;)
[06:10] <mdke> jenda: sorry, that doesn't make sense to me. The italian version is not something which is appropriate for the international community, but it includes the best parts of the international uwn. It's essentially uwn, localised
[06:10] <juliux> the only thing is i need a e-mail until the first of may, because we have to order them on the second may
[06:10] <nixternal> ya, them guys aren't big, and our one big guy I am affraid probably couldn't even fit in the 4xl
[06:10] <nixternal> Admiral_Chicago: ^^ juliux is making more shirts
[06:11] <MenZa> juliux: what are the prices of polo shirts, t-shirts and business shirts?
[06:11] <nixternal> juliux: you think you can make a pricelist up so I can just post it and let my monkeys look at it ;)
[06:11] <nixternal> business shirts?
[06:11] <nixternal> what???R#$#
[06:11] <mdke> jenda: currently, the UWN has a link to an italian translation which is essentially duplicating effort and creating the problem that we have to keep contacting those translators individually to help them contribute to the italian community's newsletter
[06:11] <mdke> jenda: I'm simply asking the link be changed
[06:11] <jenda> mdke: kk
[06:12] <juliux> nixternal, oh yes i forgot it is also possible to get some business shirts
[06:12] <nixternal> jenda: that mdke guy is everywhere!
[06:12] <jenda> mdke: the link should definitely be changed, yes
[06:12] <juliux> MenZa, t-shirt 10, polo 15, business 20
[06:12] <nixternal> juliux: damn you, so that means I will have to buy more
[06:12] <juliux> nixternal, what is your e-mail adress? i will send you a summery
[06:12] <nixternal> juliux: those prices, they don't cover 2xl through 4xl though correct?
[06:12] <nixternal> nixternal@ubuntu.com
[06:12] <juliux> nixternal, correct
[06:12] <nixternal> do that, I am going to go out and enjoy the weather a little bit
[06:12] <juliux> nixternal, i will write you an mail with all the details
[06:13] <jenda> juliux: could you CC me, please? :)
[06:13] <nixternal> juliux: ya, put each size there, and then I will fire that off to my guys and try and do a 1 order bit with you
[06:13] <juliux> jenda, ok
[06:13] <nixternal> well, maybe multiple so we don't have to pay that tax crap
[06:13] <jenda> juliux: what's the price on XXL, XXXL and XXXXL?
[06:13] <nixternal> jenda: did you buy one of the shirts last time?
[06:13] <juliux> jenda, hm wait a moment
[06:14] <jenda> nixternal: oh yes
[06:14] <nixternal> man, they are top quality and I couldn't believe the price
[06:14] <nixternal> lol
[06:14] <jenda> nixternal: uhum :)
[06:14] <MenZa> all being printed in black and blue, juliux?
[06:14] <jenda> nixternal: I could easily believe the price.... but the quality was well worth it ;)
[06:14] <mdke> jenda: right. Who can do that? (I've now seen the thread about the french add-ons, I'll reply on list)
[06:14] <nixternal> k, I am going to go enjoy the hot weather in Chicago which is odd since it just snowed last week
[06:14] <jenda> nixternal: I got two ;)
[06:14] <jenda> mdke: you can
[06:14] <juliux> MenZa, not printed, it is a stickery;
[06:14] <nixternal> same here, kthxbye ;)
[06:14] <jenda> mdke: just fire up the wiki, open the UWN template, change it.
[06:14] <MenZa> well yes
[06:15] <MenZa> embroid, correct?
[06:15] <jenda> juliux: wtf is a stickery? :)
[06:15] <jenda> (stitchery?)
[06:15] <MenZa> I think he means a "sticker"
[06:15] <MenZa> oh, stichery!
[06:15] <MenZa> embroid
[06:15] <mdke> jenda: is it just the template that needs changing?
[06:15] <MenZa> :D
[06:15] <jenda> mdke: I believe so
[06:15] <juliux> jenda, sure it is not printed
[06:15] <poningru> mdke: done
[06:16] <jenda> mdke: you can also correct the prvious releses, but I wouldn't do that
[06:16] <mdke> sure
[06:16] <mdke> poningru: thanks
[06:16] <juliux> MenZa, it is a embroidery not printed
[06:16] <MenZa> but all will be available as black and blue, correct?
[06:16] <MenZa> I got that part, I just say "printed" anyway. It's a habit.
[06:16] <juliux> jenda, a stitchery it mixed it with the german word;9
[06:16] <juliux> MenZa, yes
[06:16] <MenZa> good, good
[06:16] <mdke> I think we can change the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter link too, to point at the landing page for the italian edition
[06:16] <jenda> juliux: 
[06:16] <juliux> MenZa, but black only via reservation;9
[06:17] <MenZa> alright :)
[06:17] <jenda> mdke: sure
[06:17] <poningru> mdke: not changing the template just yet
[06:17] <poningru> asking corey, beuno and somerville
[06:17] <jenda> juliux: and the forum threaad? :)
[06:18] <MenZa> Do you have any pictures of the last ones you made, juliux?
[06:18] <mdke> poningru: so what did you change?
[06:18] <juliux> jenda, yes
[06:18] <poningru> mdke: the current UWN
[06:18] <poningru> issue 37
[06:18] <juliux> MenZa, http://ubuntu.juliux.de/shirt/polo.jpg
[06:19] <MenZa> and the t-shirts you did?
[06:19] <mdke> poningru: ah, thanks
[06:19] <MenZa> t-shirt.jpg?
[06:19] <juliux> MenZa, sorry i lost the picture from the t-shirt, i have so search for it
[06:19] <MenZa> ah
[06:19] <MenZa> np :)
[06:19] <mdke> poningru: I've done the template
[06:20] <jenda> juliux: that wasn't a yes-no question, I want the link :)
[06:20] <juliux> jenda, it comes later the day;)
[06:20] <poningru> mdke: thats good I dont wanna get yelled at for changing the template ;p
[06:20] <jenda> juliux: sweet ;)
[06:20] <jenda> juliux: once done, lemme sticky it.
[06:20] <juliux> jenda, sure
[06:21] <jenda> juliux: I think it should be a big help advertising.
[06:21] <jenda> juliux: any chance the prices might go down with the number of orders going up?
[06:21] <mdke> poningru: :)
[06:21] <juliux> jenda, i can try it if i have the total number
[06:21] <jenda> juliux: in the thread, you can also appeal on the buyers to contact their LoCo and see if it's getting any in bulk.
[06:21] <jenda> howgh
[06:22] <jenda> mdke, poningru - I don't think changing the link should get any yells.
[06:22] <mdke> I'm happy to take yells
[06:22] <juliux> jenda, we allready get a damn good price there, the normal shops in germany which are selling foss shirts want 20 for a poloshirt so we are 5 under there price
[06:22] <jenda> mdke, poningru - however, it should be considered in the light of the discussion on the ML
[06:22] <jenda> juliux: cool
[06:22] <mdke> yes, I'm replying now to that
[06:23] <jenda> juliux: I'm not saying it's a bad price - I'm saying it's a lot of money :)
[06:23] <juliux> jenda, i know
[06:23] <MenZa> Published on ubuntu-dk, juliux
[06:23] <MenZa> :)
[06:23] <juliux> MenZa, thanks a lot
[06:23] <MenZa> no problems
[06:23] <MenZa> expect a flood of e-mails tonight
[06:24] <jenda> juliux: I think I'll have to start accepting bribes when doing staff duties ;)
[06:24] <juliux> MenZa, hehe
[06:24] <MenZa> :D
[06:24] <MenZa> No, what's my cut?
[06:24] <MenZa> ;)
[06:24] <juliux> jenda, i am not sure if you are then longer a staff;9
[06:24] <jenda> :)
[06:24] <MenZa> lol
[06:27] <juliux> nixternal, how do you call a shirt that you wear with a suit ?
[06:28] <jenda> button-up shirt?
[06:28] <MenZa> ^
[06:29] <juliux> ok
[06:33] <mdke> jenda / poningru: replied. Thanks for your help.
[06:33] <jenda> anytime
[06:33] <poningru> yep
[06:39] <juliux> jenda, your e-mail pls
[06:40] <tsmithe> jenda@ubuntu.com
[06:40] <jenda> juliux: @ubuntu.com
[06:40] <jenda> tsmithe!!!
[06:40] <tsmithe> :P
[06:40] <jenda> this channel is publically logged!
[06:40] <tsmithe> spambots don't craw the logs
[06:40] <juliux> jenda, nixternal e-mail send
[06:40] <jenda> tsmithe: :/
[06:40] <poningru> tsmithe: uh... how do you know?
[06:40] <tsmithe> tsmithe@ubuntu.com
[06:40] <tsmithe> poningru, cos i post mine all the time...
[06:41] <poningru> jenda: it doesnt matter your emails are available through list.ubuntu.com/archive
[06:42] <poningru> :p
[06:42] <juliux> MenZa, there is the first e-mail from dk ;)
[06:42] <poningru> I should probably get my membership
[06:42] <MenZa> :O
[06:43] <jenda> O_O
[06:43] <jenda> poningru: you aren't a member?
[06:43] <poningru> ...
[06:43] <poningru> yeah I know
[06:43] <MenZa> that was quick, juliux
[06:43] <juliux> MenZa, yes realy quick
[06:43] <poningru> I just need to finish my wiki page
[06:47] <boredandblogging> hello everyone
[06:47] <boredandblogging> how's it going poningru 
[06:47] <poningru> allright I guess
[06:47] <poningru> cant wait for earth day celebrations
[06:47] <jenda> 
[06:48] <poningru> Robin williams, jack black, Tom Hanks and others are coming to our little town
[06:48] <boredandblogging> wow, where is this?
[06:49] <poningru> gainesville, FL
[06:49] <poningru> http://www.sierraclub.org/scp/filmfest/103.asp
[06:49] <poningru> http://www.gainesville.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070416/SUNFRONT/704160318
[06:50] <boredandblogging> thats right
[07:27] <jenda> juliux: ping :)
[07:27] <jenda> jules, I'd like to know what state the four books that have arrived are in.
[07:27] <juliux> jenda, pong
[07:27] <juliux> jenda, still 4
[07:28] <jenda> I mean, quality :)
[07:28] <juliux> jenda, 2 looks like if the comes from a libery
[07:28] <jenda> damaged, not damaged, falling apart, burned, acid-burned, half-missing, etc :)
[07:28] <juliux> jenda, the others are looking good
[07:28] <jenda> ok, coolio :)
[07:45] <jenda> juliux: will the button-ups have pockets?
[07:45] <jenda> I've got requests for pocketed shirts only :)
[07:47] <juliux> jenda, yes
[08:27] <Admiral_Chicago> juliux: how much are the shirts?
[08:28] <juliux> Admiral_Chicago, what is your e-mail address?
[08:28] <Admiral_Chicago> freddymartinez9@ubuntu.com
[08:29] <juliux> Admiral_Chicago, you have a mail;)
[08:29] <jenda> hehe
[08:29] <jenda> quiz in 30 minutes...
[08:30] <Admiral_Chicago> its on Python...i'd lose
[08:31] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, conversion rates...let me think
[08:32] <jenda> juliux: hehe :)
[08:33] <jenda> Admiral_Chicago: xe.com/ucc
[08:33] <Admiral_Chicago> jenda: sudo apt-get install keurocalc
[08:42] <juliux> MenZa, one more order from dk;)
[08:42] <juliux> hm perhaps i should make a public raice between the locoteams;)
[08:43] <Admiral_Chicago> i'll have to see what my bank account is lookin like
[08:43] <juliux> Admiral_Chicago, you don't have to pay bevor the end of may
[08:44] <Admiral_Chicago> juliux: ah, I see but I need to do that anyways.
[08:44] <juliux> hehe
[08:44] <Admiral_Chicago> juliux: when are you looking to ship
[08:44] <juliux> at the beginign of june, after we get the money
[08:45] <juliux> Admiral_Chicago, last time shipment cost 12,90 for 2 shirts
[08:45] <jenda> juliux: teh team that orders the most gets one shirt free? :)
[08:45] <juliux> jenda, for example
[08:46] <juliux> would be an interessting race;)
[08:47] <jenda> And do I get one free for suggesting it? ):
[08:48] <jenda> *:)
[08:48] <juliux> jenda, perhaps you get a 1/20 shirt for free;)
[08:48] <jenda> :-D
[08:48] <jenda> perhaps ;)
[09:26] <MenZa> juliux: :D
[09:41] <randomwalker> after a couple of hours of using feisty, my thought was "damn, this doesn't feel like linux"
[09:41] <randomwalker> none of the fist pounding, the head banging
[09:42] <randomwalker> didn't really need the command line
[09:43] <randomwalker> so i was wondering ubuntu should be branded as ubuntu, and deemphasize the linux part
[09:43] <randomwalker> any thoughts?
[09:45] <jenda> randomwalker: we've already been saying it's "Ubuntu" not "Ubuntu Linux" for years ;)
[09:46] <randomwalker> oh, i understand that
[09:46] <randomwalker> but somehow the average person isn't getting the message
[09:46] <randomwalker> it's just thought of as "just another linux distro"
[09:47] <randomwalker> everyone seems to ask "so why is this one any different"
[09:47] <randomwalker> i don't know how to fight that perception, but i think it's important to
[09:47] <tsmithe> well, it gets an awful lot more mainstream press coverage than any other distro
[09:48] <randomwalker> ok
[09:56] <jenda> randomwalker: emphasize 'for human beings' ;)
[09:56] <jenda> I know what you mean - it's just not easy to get the point accross
[09:57] <jenda> hell, I'm having trouble getting the Czech LoCo understanding that :?
[09:57] <jenda> :/
[09:59] <randomwalker> ok, here's a sad story
[09:59] <randomwalker> don't worry, it's on topic
[09:59] <randomwalker> at my school, the admins are evil
[09:59] <jenda> quiz in a minute :)
[09:59] <randomwalker> i mean, pure evil. you'll see shortly
[09:59] <randomwalker> they have ubuntu installed on all the school machines
[09:59] <jenda> randomwalker: join us in #ubuntu-trivia and win 5 stickers </spam> ;)
[10:00] <randomwalker> which is great, right?
[10:00] <randomwalker> except they all run fvwm2
[10:00] <randomwalker> most of the students (and faculty) don't know any better
[10:00] <randomwalker> and think that's what linux looks like
[10:01] <randomwalker> it hurts me physically every time i see thi
[10:01] <randomwalker> this
[10:01] <randomwalker> sometimes someone will walk past my gnome desktop
[10:01] <randomwalker> they are struck by its simplicity and will ask, 'hey, how do do that'
[10:02] <randomwalker> but most use fvwm2 the whole time, and suffer through it
[10:02] <randomwalker> anyway, my point is, this hurts ubuntu branding
[10:02] <jenda> ouch
[10:02] <randomwalker> all these people are going to think that's what ubuntu looks like
[10:02] <randomwalker> free software, gpl and all that, but we can exercise control over the brand, right?
[10:02] <randomwalker> if you want to call it ubuntu you have to run gnome as default
[10:03] <randomwalker> kubuntu/kde 
[10:03] <randomwalker> etc
[10:03] <randomwalker> ?
[10:03] <jenda> correct
[10:03] <jenda> you should
[10:04] <randomwalker> sorry, i should what?
[10:07] <jenda> erm, run gnome as default if you call it Ubuntu
[10:09] <randomwalker> really? is that like, enforceable?
[10:09] <randomwalker> i mean, is there a rule somewhere that i can point at these people?
[10:10] <tsmithe> you can't bloody enforce it unless you remove packages from repos
[10:10] <tsmithe> or separate repos out
[10:10] <tsmithe> which is sad, i agree
[10:10] <tsmithe> and i feel your pain
[10:10] <tsmithe> just make a huge fuss on showing off your gnome
[10:11] <randomwalker> i remember something like this with firefox
[10:11] <randomwalker> debian couldn't call it firefox for some reason
[10:11] <tsmithe> how did the sysadmins install ubuntu without seeing gnome, and liking it?
[10:11] <randomwalker> oh, these people are from the 70s
[10:11] <randomwalker> they are totally command line unix people
[10:12] <randomwalker> they only care about two things
[10:12] <tsmithe> so they installed ubuntu server + fvwm2?
[10:12] <jenda> randomwalker: well, if you want to distribute something that doesn't run with gnome, that would be enforceable
[10:12] <randomwalker> security (by which they really mean covering their asses)
[10:12] <jenda> randomwalker: however, just having it running somewhere... I'm afraid not.
[10:12] <tsmithe> jenda, but distributing over a network doesn't count
[10:12] <randomwalker> and how easy it is for them to do daily admin tasks
[10:12] <randomwalker> i see. ok
[10:12] <jenda> tsmithe: well, depends...
[10:12] <randomwalker> it does have gnome installed
[10:12] <randomwalker> its just no one knows how to run it
[10:12] <tsmithe> jenda, in a school? i hardly think it does?
[10:12] <jenda> I guess you could try ;) Lawyers are good at that type of thing.... but do you want to go there.
[10:12] <tsmithe> *no ?
[10:13] <randomwalker> because it doesn't even run x by default, you hvae to login in from the terminal and type startx, which takes you to fvwm2
[10:13] <tsmithe> :S
[10:13] <randomwalker> gnome requires messing with .xinitrc
[10:13] <tsmithe> that is insane
[10:13] <randomwalker> no way they're going to do that
[10:13] <randomwalker> yeah, i know
[10:14] <randomwalker> only reason i'm running gnome is that i've been messing with xinitrc since circa 1999 so i know how to do it :)
[10:15] <tsmithe> how sad