[12:16] Did we revert the GNOME Control Centre? === cbx33 doesn't see it in feisty [12:16] cbx33: yes, it got nuked [12:16] *bah* [12:16] too slow and badly designed [12:16] I couldnt use it [12:16] Now I have to edit the docs again [12:16] Damn this book chapter [12:16] Burgwork: upstream, right? :-) [12:16] It like 5x'd my time trying to find icons [12:16] cbx33: still writing? [12:16] no [12:17] Nafallo: is somethign from Novell [12:17] just editing before it goes to print [12:17] Burgwork: ugh [12:17] Oh joy, the Slashdotted `7 things to change when you install Feisty Fawn' says to install Automatix. [12:17] probably is, 2d searching is harder than 1d [12:17] Well I think novell's implementation of it was somehow better organized [12:17] the problem is too many capplets === soothsay [n=soothsay@bas5-montreal02-1167963639.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:19] ... and they recommend installing Beryl from the external repos. :( [12:23] LaserJock: docbook-xml wasn't in build-deps ;) === asantoni [n=alb@bas7-london14-1177945156.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:23] it hasn't been there from day one either, not even in Dapper [12:27] Good night === jcole [i=jcole@nat/hp/x-e41462b20b003580] has joined #ubuntu-motu === soothsay_ [n=soothsay@bas5-montreal02-1096554204.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === arejay [n=rj@unaffiliated/rj-] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:32] is universe on by default now? [12:32] cbx33: yep [12:33] crimsun: any ideas on bug 96750? I've got a friend here who can confirm the same issue [12:33] Malone bug 96750 in alsa-driver "Sound volume control does not work" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96750 [12:33] SigmaTel STAC, ICH6, volume always maximum, does not respond to vol control or mute [12:35] ok, TeX manifesto sent [12:35] Is multiverse on by edfault? [12:35] yes [12:35] I think [12:36] or ... [12:36] can someone doubl check [12:36] I don't know actually, I would assume so [12:36] since the new Java Stack thing [12:36] I'll check [12:41] no, it should not be on by default [12:41] java needs to get gpl'd, then it can all move to main [12:41] what a happy day that will be === soothsay [n=soothsay@bas5-montreal02-1096554204.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:41] I've got lots of Chemistry/Edu stuff I want to put in Edubuntu when it does === ash211_ [n=andrew@user-112174a.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:56] sabdfl it is on by default in Edubuntu [12:56] I have just checked [12:56] can soeone else confirm === ajmitch has to package some java stuff soon for fedora directory server [12:57] much pain [12:58] ajmitch: the web front end stuff? [01:00] no, the admin console [01:00] which is a java app [01:00] right, that is what I meant [01:00] anyone able to check the software sources? [01:00] they have custom apache modules for the web frontend :) [01:02] oh joy [01:02] I bet RH loved that [01:03] we'll see what happens with them [01:04] now that they are split out, RH might abandon them === minghua_ [n=minghua@ppp-69-153-136-63.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:05] http://directory.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mod_admserv [01:05] cbx33: interesting. might be they depend on some stuff from there === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [01:06] eww they still use cvs [01:06] sharms: of course [01:06] lots of things still use cvs [01:06] 1998 called and wants their revision control back [01:06] and EGA monitors [01:06] last night I made my first CVS commit [01:07] it was also my first commit on an upstream [01:07] quite fun [01:07] rocking, the fds wiki has a gpl-ed css [01:08] heh its funny because I bet most people who run cvs repositories are going by the "if it aint broke dont fix it" rule, but it is broke, and hence we have these fantastic revision control systems that spawned to replace it [01:08] Burgwork: question, if you have a GPL'd css does the whole site have to be GPL? [01:08] LaserJock: afaik, no [01:08] I have switched over to bzr on all my projects, and it is working fantastic [01:08] sharms: well, savannah is still CVS, that's why I have to use it [01:09] it really irritating [01:09] I've totally gone backwards [01:09] I learned Python, then C++ [01:09] I learnd bzr, then svn, then CVS [01:09] ha [01:10] svn is so easy to use [01:10] way more friendly than CVS [01:10] well if you can use svn, bzr is almost exactly the same [01:11] I love bzr and svn [01:11] never touched cvs [01:11] cbx33: don't [01:11] if you can possibly help it [01:11] when I used cvs last I remember it couldnt handle binary files sometimes [01:11] run away as fast as you can ;-) [01:12] I think I saw the other day that mozilla was thinking of going with bzr [01:12] but ended up with Mercurial I think [01:12] I get worried that bzr might actually be hampered by ubuntu [01:12] cbx33: Universe is only on by default for new installs. If you upgrade and it was off, it stays off. [01:12] since ubuntu is such a force these days, you have people who want to try and push back against anything related to ubuntu [01:13] ScottK: the question is Multiverse [01:13] OK. Dunno on that. I was trying to make the point that new installs and upgrades are treated differently. [01:14] yes [01:14] sharms: I doubt it is that much of an influence. I think about the only thing slowing bzr down is it's speed ;-) [01:14] ScottK, multiverse is on too [01:15] LaserJock: I just get the feeling there is some backlash at times because of ubuntu's success [01:15] could be [01:16] I'm suprised at how well it's doing [01:16] I would think Ubuntu would be a help [01:16] but you could be right for sure [01:16] there is always a backlash against the "big dog" === minghua__ [n=minghua@ppp-70-128-93-233.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === koke [n=koke@208.25.32.132] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sharms starts a campaign of backlash against Jordan "big dog" mantha [01:17] I thought you already had [01:18] "I didn't get a PONY!!!" [01:18] I just love that pic :) [01:18] yes [01:18] ponies? where? [01:18] all over the planet === Fujitsu notes a dinosaur. [01:19] for goodness sakes, people have gone nuts [01:19] what did I do now [01:19] LaserJock: Where? [01:20] Fujitsu: US of course [01:20] the nasa thing? [01:20] shooting at NASA [01:20] my uni was on lockdown last night [01:20] Oh, that one. [01:20] high schools and universities all over the place are on lockdown [01:21] I missed the one last night here [01:21] but the ended all the classes and told students to leave [01:22] people in the research labs were sure what they were supposed to do [01:22] Why would a hostage situation at NASA cause that? [01:22] that didn't cause it [01:22] Is there another one that I haven't heard about? [01:22] getting bomb threats and people wanting to kill 100 people did [01:22] Ah, I see. [01:22] there was a shooting in Michagan [01:23] LaserJock: ah I live in Michigan, where was it [01:23] several high schools had minor ones [01:23] The US sounds great. [01:23] Fujitsu: well it is, just got some weirdnesses sometimes [01:23] sharms: well, the person was from Kalamazoo College [01:25] ah, the Kalamazoo one was just a lockdown because of some stuff on a website [01:27] I think there were probably around a dozen lockdowns at school across the country today [01:27] I wonder what social unrest is causing this [01:28] well, I could go on an on about that, but I'll spare you guys [01:28] as an american I am the same as I have ever been [01:28] happily sitting on the computer by day, drinking at night === tenshu [n=tenshu@sgc91-1-82-231-155-79.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === PhirePhly [n=kenneth@h-68-164-87-94.snvacaid.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === PhirePhly [n=kenneth@h-68-164-87-94.snvacaid.dynamic.covad.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Ex-Chat"] === ajmitch hugs the forums [01:33] I *knew* checkinstall & autopackage & friends had to come up in gutsy ideas [01:33] I thought they did a pretty good job handling it last I looked === baskitcaise [n=barkit@84.13.201.82] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:36] ahh man, people are already dist-upgrading to gutsy [01:37] we should have a "This will roast your computer, I'm glad you have backups" wallpaper until after UDS at least === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:38] ajmitch: linky? [01:39] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2494015 [01:41] "There is nothing wrong with 3rd party binaries. Comments like "they throw stuff everywhere" is just FUD." [01:42] Er, gutsy doesn't have any packages yet, does it? [01:43] sure [01:43] no, it doesn't [01:43] it's open [01:43] not according to LP, anyway [01:43] it's just a copy of Feisty [01:43] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy [01:43] I found gutsy packages [01:43] Source packages: 0 [01:43] Ah. [01:43] then launchpad is confused again ;) [01:43] It is a copy of Feisty, but Soyuz doesn't seem to know much about it. [01:44] I know there's an unapproved queue already [01:44] with toolchain bits [01:45] well, I was just looking at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/texlive-base [01:45] and people reported doing a s/feisty/gutsy/ in their sources.list [01:45] noooooo [01:45] not already [01:45] that's insane [01:45] hehe [01:45] Soyuz must be very confused [01:46] well, it's not insane yet [01:47] guys [01:47] right now gutsy=feisty basically [01:47] my issue is I hope people aren't like "Oh, well gutsy is fine, what are those idiots talking about it being unstable" [01:48] "ZOMG gusty is SOOOO much fastre than feisty!!!!1" [01:49] lol [01:49] ORLY? [01:49] YRLY! [01:49] cool === lupine_85 upgrades and gets all his friends to do the same [01:49] bwahahaha :D === theCore [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua_ [n=minghua@adsl-75-50-215-179.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:53] even better, debian isn't half-frozen as it was at the start of feisty [01:53] crappy network === jml_ [n=jml@59.167.203.115] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DarkMageZ [n=richard@ppp6-91.lns4.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sharms [n=sharms@ubuntu/member/sharms] has joined #ubuntu-motu === koke [n=koke@72-165-115-225.dia.static.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jwhitlark [n=jwhitlar@h-67-102-70-2.snfccasy.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jwhitlar1 [n=jwhitlar@h-67-102-70-2.snfccasy.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jwhitlar1 [n=jwhitlar@h-67-102-70-2.snfccasy.covad.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mtm8 [n=mtm8@fw.bcp.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:32] Is there a command line only version of ubiquity? [02:33] mtm8: You want the alternate CD [02:34] Flannel: I'm making a custom LiveCD based on the Desktop CD because I don't want to deal with preseeding with the alternate CD. [02:35] mtm8: ah. Do you have the wiki page for liveCD customization? [02:37] Flannel: It doesn't tell you how to do that. [02:38] mtm8: Eh? I never said there was a CLI ubiquity. Just thought I'd offer some documentation [02:40] Flannel: Well, I've already read through a lot of documentation and I'm really hopeful that there is some sort of non-GUI based installer that makes it easy to customize LiveCDs. [02:40] Flannel: Ideally, I'd like it if the alternate CD was easier to modify with the setup I have. [02:43] mtm8: The file listing for ubiquity doesn't appear to have any sort of CLI version. But, I dont see how alt CD is so difficult either. Have you checked the ubuntu documentation on it? [02:44] mtm8: this is offtopic for this channel, we should be in #ubuntu-offtopic [02:44] Flannel: Yes, it's annoying how preseeding, etc. al works. [02:44] Okay. [02:49] OK, so you've all left, but I'm just catching up on the scrollback. I know I should't go look at the forums. http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2495716&postcount=13 === fowlduck [n=nate@24-179-217-215.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:52] ScottK: correct, you shouldn't [02:54] good to see that some people are still ignoring the instructions on the MOTU/Packages/Candidates page & editing it [02:55] yes [02:55] very special [02:57] LaserJock!! [02:57] ajmitch!! [02:59] hi [02:59] LaserJock: got all your specs ready for UDS? [03:00] hmm [03:01] specs .. [03:01] yeah .. [03:01] hehe [03:02] just grab some ideas from the forums & write them up === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:13] Does anyone have a Dell 9300, 9400, XPS 170, or XPS 1710 [03:14] I've got someone claiming that on all these models, the Master (2 front speaker) volume does not control the subwoofer (Mono Main) at all.... [03:14] which is a really annoying issue because the subwoofer is louder than the 2 front speakers.... :D === ScottK triages bugs as penance. === mtm8 [n=mtm8@fw.bcp.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Admiral_Chicago [n=freddy@ubuntu/member/admiral-chicago] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:30] Heya gang [03:34] hi bddebian [03:35] Heya LaserJock, what's happening === irre_levant [n=anke@dslb-088-070-101-102.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:36] oh, stuff [03:39] "stuff"? :) === fowlduck [n=nate@24-179-217-215.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:40] LaserJock: I got another freakin' mentor request and I don't know what to do with them all :-( [03:41] getting that golden pony probably had a lot to do with it [03:41] bddebian: lucky you [03:41] bddebian: I never get any requests at all === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:41] ajmitch: want to mentor me? [03:41] bddebian: well, you can ask them to come here and tell them that we're working on a mentor mailing list === ajmitch isn't a deity like bddebian though [03:41] ajmitch: I wanted you to mentor me :-) [03:42] lol [03:42] bddebian: you didn't need it [03:42] LaserJock: I have [03:42] ajmitch: Yeah right :-) [03:42] Admiral_Chicago: see LaserJock's response above about getting a list [03:42] i saw, I'll be looking for it [03:43] besides, I know why people don't ask me for mentoring [03:43] they know I'm just grouchy, nasty & mean [03:43] haha [03:44] ajmitch: would you be my mentor? :) [03:46] jdong: oh so tempting [03:47] ajmitch: oh come on we have such compatible personalities :D === irre_levant [n=anke@dslb-088-070-101-102.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Ex-Chat"] === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:49] jdong: I'm sure [03:50] :) [03:58] well, I get asked for mentorship [03:58] but it's never worked well [03:59] I don't think I've had a single one work out well [03:59] maybe it's me === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:00] LaserJock, heh, wow that was quick! :) [04:00] you struck at a good time ;-) [04:02] micahcowan: what do you think of the package list on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTeX ? [04:03] LaserJock: Me either really. It's hard for me to direct someone else when I'm pretty chaotic myself :) [04:03] exactly === ajmitch needs some food or something [04:10] who wants to get me some pizza? [04:10] I had pizza today [04:11] :( [04:11] I haven't... [04:12] well get some [04:12] :-) [04:13] requires effort & money === Fujitsu reads the `kill the FHS' thread in the Gutsy forum. [04:15] Fujitsu: please *don't* [04:15] Somebody seems to be proposing that /var and /tmp serve the same purpose... [04:15] sure, get them to rm -rf /var & see how happy they'll be [04:16] ajmitch: But it's fun watching the forum community grow and degenerate... They have their own little community, like an ant farm, with people watching and laughing at them. [04:16] no, it's not fun [04:16] you should be there correcting & leading them towards the light [04:16] wheres the fun in that [04:16] They're /way/ past the stage where that was possible. === Lathiat hides [04:17] They can spew out 333 pages of crap on Feisty in 3 days. They're definitely past it. [04:17] Fujitsu: cynic [04:17] That's me. [04:19] ScottK: That's a nice reply to the better external package management thread. [04:19] It used to say something that might have been interpreted by some as somewhat snide. [04:20] And I see that somebody has come up with the idea of being able to resize NTFS partitions in the installer. I wonder why nobody had ever thought of that before? === ScottK got whacked in the head with a dead fish by ajmitch and felt guilty [04:20] ScottK: Oh, I see you've edited it out :( [04:20] ScottK: I saw the original. [04:20] ScottK: heh [04:20] Yeah. [04:21] ScottK: I wasn't actually referring to your comment, honest [04:21] sometimes you need to throw cold water on ideas [04:21] OK. Well I wouldn't have taken it that way if I didn't feel guilty in advance [04:21] hehe [04:21] It was a good comment, I think. [04:21] ajmitch: there's some people that I wish I can freeze in cold water :) [04:22] but alas there's human rights laws. [04:22] I wish there was a status field for forum threads... I keep wanting to mark them as rejected :( [04:22] Fujitsu: lol [04:22] heh [04:22] dn't suppose anyone here records off DVB? [04:22] Fujitsu: if there were, then the forum council will be up 24/7 handling objections [04:22] jdong: there are some people I'd like to comment on, but the CoC prevents such a thing [04:22] jdong: Then we expell the forum council. [04:22] Fujitsu: lol :) [04:22] Fujitsu: revolution? [04:22] Fujitsu: lead the Revolution! [04:22] Or just expell the forums. That's a better idea. [04:23] Fujitsu: sure, we'll redirect everyone to #ubuntu-devel :) [04:23] that'd be a GREAT april fools joke [04:23] "Believe it or not, I've already changed sources.list. [04:23] You can bet on it" === jdong jots that one down [04:23] jdong: Great idea! It'd destroy Freenode. [04:23] ajmitch: Where? [04:23] Fujitsu: we try to do the dirty work for you guys :D [04:23] in the thread about when gutsy is safe to upload to [04:24] `Repositories for experienced users to test new packages: avoiding breakages' [04:24] Hm, you know, the development version exists for a pretty good reason. [04:24] Ironically we have those... === Lathiat laughs [04:25] I see there's a thread about how to request packages for universe [04:25] no doubt noone will read it, and will just post requests on the forums [04:25] only about 6 weeks til the fun begins again opps it double posted [04:25] It'll be equally effective. [04:25] jdong: we love the forums dearly, honest [04:26] they just seem to be a great way for silly ideas to percolate to the top [04:26] ajmitch: This is why we need Forum Ambassadors to forward every idea to us. [04:26] yay [04:27] ajmitch: well I do hope you guys are just having fun and joking around :) [04:27] ajmitch: we try to make it sane for you guys === emet [n=emet@unaffiliated/emet] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:27] hello masters of the universe [04:28] Hi emet. [04:28] but there's only so much you could do without the Free Speech Society from hell rising up and engulfing one in flames.... [04:28] jdong: you're right, us developers shouldn't bother to go & look there [04:28] how would I get an package in universe? [04:28] ajmitch: that's not what I meant :) [04:29] post in the forum thread! === Lathiat ducks [04:29] do I submit the source code and you guys take it from there? [04:29] we encourage people to try to build packages themself === Fujitsu strangles Lathiat. [04:30] but you can file a request bug too === Admiral_Chicago [n=freddy@ubuntu/member/admiral-chicago] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Real] [04:30] but I could not sign said package because I don't have a gpg key, no? [04:30] that's ok === ScottK goes to read the cygwin mailing list archive to get a refreshing reminder of the true spirit of internet discussion (Mailing list motto: "We're Just Mean") [04:30] emet, which peice of software? [04:30] ScottK: I've got debian lists for that [04:31] it's a hangman game [04:31] emet: you can create your own PGP key. That's not a barrier to participation. [04:31] I'm going to release a few games hopefully [04:31] ajmitch: How's -private these days? [04:31] Fujitsu: yawn [04:31] http://sf.net/projects/ttygames [04:31] emet, http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html [04:32] I was hoping that -devel would be vaguely entertaining, but apparently not. [04:32] the hangman game should be released in a few day [04:33] emet: What's it written in? [04:33] c === ajmitch detests flash-only sites [04:36] ajmitch: Duh. [04:36] ajmitch: I don't see what's the big deal, just use automatix to install codecs.... [04:36] :D [04:36] someone please kick jdong [04:36] and a merry christmas to you too [04:36] :) [04:37] as I said, before, we're a perfect personality match === ScottK waits for jdong to file Automatix bugs so he can reject those too. [04:39] ScottK: is that a fun button to push? [04:39] I guess it's your version of the live-nessus button on the forums.... [04:40] Can we please change the format of Python bytecode in an SRU in a few days? It'd be nice to stuff up Automatix. [04:40] We've got fewer upgrade bugs open now that I realized that the upgrader crasher have their sources.list in the logs so I can tell if they've installed it... [04:40] ScottK: Heh, that's good. [04:44] BTW, who manages the torrent tracker? [04:44] it's been down for 24hr+ [04:46] jdong: The Canonical sysadmins, and what do you expect with 6000 seeders? [04:47] Fujitsu: well... that's a lot of seeders yes === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:50] meh at least ISOHunt has us covered === jml [n=jml@59.167.203.115] has joined #ubuntu-motu === effie_jayx [n=valles@190.37.175.250] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:23] Fujitsu / ajmitch : dident you see , Michael Dell runs Feisty + Automatix2 on his laptop :) ( as per his response to a question on his blog ) === edrews [n=edrews@pool-71-178-105-132.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:24] imbrandon: I know D: === Fujitsu looks at the comments on the PC World article. [05:26] man since feisty released, my website avg upload has been over 3Mb/s , normaly before it was only about 1.5 to 2 ( yes i have spikes over 70Mb/s , but i mean avg ) [05:26] i have no idea why [05:27] Well, apparently all of the issues with upgrading to Edgy were flaws in Ubuntu. [05:28] hows that Fujitsu [05:29] imbrandon: This mstlyevil guy says that third party stuff and Automatix are not to blame, but `problems associated with Ubuntu'. [05:30] oh ok, i thought you were serious [05:30] :) [05:30] well, we can't just rule it out either [05:31] we had quite a few broken packages [05:31] LaserJock: There was a very neat correlation between third-party/Automatix package use and breakage. [05:31] Sure, some of our stuff was broken. But not much. [05:31] well and honesty, have you all looked at automatix2? its supose to be better and do stuff "right" [05:31] yeah, but we need to be careful [05:31] I think the point was that it was a confounded cause.... [05:31] some combination of automatix and packaging errors [05:31] imbrandon: We can't look at it, can we? [05:32] i dunno i havent even tried [05:32] I don't know why not [05:32] why? [05:32] They distribute .pycs. [05:32] i wouldent se why not [05:32] LaserJock: it's closed source [05:32] No source, as far as I know. [05:32] what!?! [05:32] yeah [05:32] really? I thought they were distributing source too [05:32] For something accused of doing evil stuff in the past, shipping no source is a little iffy. [05:32] it's all distributed as python object code [05:32] Ax2 is all closed [05:33] That's why I suggested changing the bytecode format :P [05:33] wow, how sane [05:33] imbrandon: Uh, yeah. [05:33] Fujitsu: that'd break half my programming assignments and I'd have to hurt you :D [05:33] It's obviously very trustworthy. [05:33] It's written by arnieboy, and cannot be reviewed by others. [05:33] I wonder how well decompyle works... [05:33] should work very well [05:34] :) [05:34] Aw, doesn't do anything > 2.3 [05:34] python bytecode should be very easily revertible to python source code [05:35] LaserJock: the ponies are simply NOT GOLD ENOUGH. [05:36] sorry [05:36] hehe [05:36] :P [05:38] Good night all. === ScottK cleans the kitchen and then sleeps... [05:46] man, that just blows me away that it's not open source [05:46] I thought arnieboy GPL'd automatix [05:47] Fujitsu: that means we can change the factoid, which should send more people away from it [05:47] as we know lots of people hate binary blobs [05:48] Hobbsee: True, that's a great idea. [05:48] Hobbsee: The only reason it's not as pointed as it was is that the automatix community complained [05:48] LaserJock: automatix != automatix2 [05:48] i knew it wasnt gpl, but i thought it was some sort of other, semi free licence [05:48]