[12:27] <Jordan_U> ubotu !ntfs-3g is ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but please remember to keep backups of critical data. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions (Feisty)
[12:27] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, Jordan_U said: ubotu !ntfs-3g is ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but please remember to keep backups of critical data. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions (Feisty)
[01:11] <andre_pl> can someone test me
[01:12] <andre_pl> anybody?
[01:13] <PriceChild> hey
[01:13] <PriceChild> please join #pricechild
[01:13] <nalioth> andre_pl: please join #
[01:13] <nalioth> um, #pricechild
[01:16] <PriceChild> andre_pl, you may rejoin #ubuntu Thanks for your patience
[01:16] <andre_pl> thanks
[01:21] <PriceChild> nalioth, I'm liking rtorrent :)
[01:31] <nalioth> PriceChild: me, too. (the reason i mentioned it as an 'upgrade' to btdownload*
[01:32] <PriceChild> hehe :)
[01:55] <ubotu> In ubotu, Jordan_U said: !ntfs-3g is ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but please remember to keep backups of critical data. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions (Feisty)
[02:37] <ubotu> In ubotu, ryanakca said: no, iptables is Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo ), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[03:57] <Pici> !iptables
[03:57] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[04:41] <ubotu> Dasnipa` called the ops in #ubuntu
[04:59] <ubotu> Jordan_U called the ops in #ubuntu
[04:59] <ubotu> kingcobra called the ops in #ubuntu
[04:59] <ubotu> Dasnipa` called the ops in #ubuntu
[05:00] <ubotu> seamus7 called the ops in #ubuntu
[05:00] <Jordan_U> HELLO ANYBODY HERE!?!
[05:00] <ubotu> Pelo called the ops in #ubuntu
[05:01] <Jordan_U> !ops | wake up
[05:01] <ubotu> wake up: Help! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Burgundavia, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda or mneptok
[05:01] <ubotu> Jordan_U called the ops in #ubuntu-ops
[05:02] <nixternal> you guys watchin' that at all?
[05:04] <elkbuntu> did someone handle it?
[05:05] <Hobbsee> argh
[05:05] <Hobbsee> nope
[05:05] <Hobbsee> i just banned, but way too late
[05:05] <Hobbsee> nixternal: sure you dont want to op in there?
[05:06] <Hobbsee> seeing as we're down on people
[05:06] <nixternal> I don't have op in there
[05:06] <Hobbsee> you do now - just dont part
[05:07] <nixternal> ahh, ok
[05:07] <nixternal> haha
[05:07] <nixternal> I thought I did that with my /opme
[05:07] <Hobbsee> it's a good question why no one else is here though - seeing as we only released a couple of days ago
[05:07] <nixternal> I was like whoa, wait a sec
[05:07] <Hobbsee> nope - i did it
[05:07] <nixternal> it is a Friday?
[05:07] <Hobbsee> sat here
[05:07] <nixternal> ya, forgot about that
[05:08] <nixternal> I just realised too that #ubuntu wasn't being autojoined by irssi
[05:08] <nixternal> I was wondering why my channels were 1 off
[05:08] <nixternal> hrmm, and #xubuntu
[05:09] <nixternal> grrr
[05:33] <ubotu> eck called the ops in #ubuntu
[05:33] <Hobbsee> done
[05:51] <nixternal> heh, can't even ban or nothing in #ubuntu
[05:51] <nixternal> says to wait until the chan is fully sync'd
[05:52] <Hobbsee> oh, just wait then
[05:52] <Hobbsee> freenode's having problems again
[05:52] <Hobbsee> new factoid for automatix, btw
[05:52] <nixternal> that worked
[05:52] <nixternal> hehe
[05:52] <nixternal> he should be *lined for ctcp killing
[05:53] <Hobbsee> who?
[05:53] <nixternal> krimreaper dude
[05:53] <nixternal> I removed him earlier instead of /abking him
[05:53] <effie_jayx> gotta hate gentoo tr0lls
[05:53] <effie_jayx> :S
[05:53] <nixternal> hehe
[05:53] <Hobbsee> nixternal: didnt see him
[05:53] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:53] <jdong> hi Hobbsee :)
[05:53] <nalioth> um, the functionality automatix provides is native in Feisty
[05:54] <jdong> nalioth: not all of it
[05:54] <effie_jayx> nalioth,  huh?
[05:54] <nalioth> jdong: most all of it
[05:54] <jdong> nalioth: DVD playback is the major one
[05:54] <jdong> nalioth: but yeah, most is provided natively
[05:54] <nalioth> dvd playback is available with the Feisty installer thingy
[05:54] <nixternal> that channel moves to fast ;)
[05:54] <jdong> nalioth: what?
[05:55] <Hobbsee> libdvdread3, i'd guess
[05:55] <jdong> nalioth: are you telling me that Feisty violates the DMCA via the repositories?
[05:55] <jdong> libdvdcss2....
[05:55] <nalioth> jdong: no.
[05:55] <nalioth> jdong: have you seen the 'codec install helper' thing in Feisty?
[05:55] <jdong> nalioth: sure have
[05:55] <nalioth> it ASKS you if you want to do it
[05:55] <jdong> it installs almost every codec under the sun
[05:55] <nalioth> YOU make the decision
[05:55] <jdong> but (1) DVD CSS decryption (2) RealVideo9
[05:56] <nalioth> and the DMCA doesn't exist all over the world
[05:56] <jdong> 1 needs libdvdcss2, 2 needs w32codecs
[05:56] <jdong> libdvdcss2 is not provided in Ubuntu repos
[05:56] <jdong> it's provided in medibuntu
[05:56] <nixternal> now Krimreaper is trying to D C C me
[05:57] <nalioth> why don't these einsteins ever dcc me?
[05:57] <Hobbsee> haha
[05:57] <Hobbsee> because they know you'res taff
[05:58] <jdong> so.. can I have my hell factoid?
[05:58] <Hobbsee> sure.  have you tried to put it in yet :P
[05:58] <jdong> no
[05:58] <jdong> I'm afraid you guys will smack me for it :)
[05:59] <Hobbsee> you'll have to take that risk..
[05:59] <ubotu> In #ubuntuforums, jdong said: !omgjdong is <reply> jdong: You're going to hell.
[05:59] <Hobbsee> !omgjdong is <reply> jdong: You're going to hell.
[05:59] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Hobbsee
[05:59] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:59] <jdong> :)
[05:59] <jdong> cool
[05:59] <jdong> !omgjdong
[05:59] <ubotu> jdong: You're going to hell.
[05:59] <jdong> yay!
[06:00] <jdong> I love it
[06:00] <Hobbsee> :D
[06:00] <elkbuntu> the retards out in force today?
[06:01] <nalioth> elkbuntu: yup
[06:01] <Hobbsee> yep
[06:01] <nalioth> they're all here to see you, elkbuntu
[06:01] <elkbuntu> hehe you wish
[06:01] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: but we actually have a staffer, today
[06:01] <elkbuntu> yay!
[06:01] <Hobbsee> exactly
[06:01] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[06:03] <elkbuntu> i've been spending the day coaching mum
[06:03] <elkbuntu> she's just submitted her first bug :D
[06:05] <Hobbsee> woo!
[06:09] <nixternal> hahah, Krimreaper said I need to download mIRC to learn that C T C P and D C C are functions of IRC
[06:09] <nixternal> holy shit I feel like such a no0b now ;)
[06:10] <Hobbsee> haha
[06:11] <effie_jayx> GEEzzz
[06:11] <jdong> nixternal: next he'll tell you that start-you-know-what are also functions of IRC :D
[06:11] <effie_jayx> one guy in an ubuntu channel asking why he was banned... he only asked why ubuntu release names were so gay
[06:11] <jdong> effie_jayx: lol that's unfair you guys can ban for that
[06:11] <jdong> I'm jealous
[06:12] <jdong> I wish we could do that at the forums
[06:12] <effie_jayx> jdong,  reallyu
[06:14] <jdong> effie_jayx: yes. We get the pitchforks treatment when we try to curb such discussions :D
[06:14] <jdong> and not the BSD release party pitchforks treatment
[06:14] <elkbuntu> jdong, from who?
[06:14] <jdong> elkbuntu: ah, the typical forum gang :)
[06:14] <elkbuntu> jdong, we have the typical IRC gang too. we just ignore them
[06:14] <Jordan_U> jdong, Are they asking in a support thread though?
[06:14] <jdong> Jordan_U: no, they're not
[06:15] <jdong> elkbuntu: they add fun to your daily routine ;-)
[06:17] <Hobbsee> sometimes i really hate people
[06:17] <Hobbsee>  "is there ever going to be a GUI for foo"  "not unless someone writes one" "okay, thanks"
[06:17] <Hobbsee> isnt that *obvious*?????
[06:17] <Hobbsee> what, you mean software doesnt fall otu fo the sky?  people have to write it?   OH WHAT SHOCK HORROR!
[06:21] <ubotu> In ubotu, Jordan_U said: !ntfs-3g is ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but please remember to keep backups of critical data. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions (Feisty)
[06:22] <Jordan_U> ( I added a link for Feisty )
[06:27] <poningru> uh... question what is the irc thing for open ubuntu?
[06:27] <Hobbsee> poningru: openubuntu?
[06:27] <poningru> the week long thingy
[06:27] <Hobbsee> oh
[06:27] <poningru> right
[06:27] <Hobbsee> poningru: does http://www.geekosophical.net/?p=94 help?
[06:28] <poningru> and also for -effects can someone add the /BerylOnFeisty to the topic?
[06:29] <poningru> yep thanks
[06:29] <poningru> helps that is
[06:32] <elkbuntu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek too ;)
[06:33] <Hobbsee> yes, but htat wasnt in my rss feed reader, now was it?
[06:39] <effie_jayx> elkbuntu,  you sneeky aussie ... you didn't tell me about it
[06:39] <elkbuntu> effie_jayx, now you know
[06:40] <elkbuntu> effie_jayx, jono blogged about it on release day too :
[06:40] <effie_jayx> elkbuntu,  I hadn't read the planet in a day or too
[06:40] <elkbuntu> aww
[06:40] <jdong> Hobbsee: I'm already putting the factoid to use :D
[06:40] <effie_jayx> I was too busy catching Ubuntu mirrors like butterflies
[06:41] <effie_jayx> elkbuntu,  I was happy to see your post though... you said new people :D...
[06:41] <elkbuntu> :D
[06:43] <elkbuntu> effie_jayx, did you see... i got a golden pony award :D
[06:43] <effie_jayx> best actress in tha house
[06:43] <effie_jayx> :D
[06:43] <elkbuntu> :d
[06:43] <elkbuntu> :D
[06:43] <effie_jayx> I still don't understand why you guys pick a pony but heck... itis better than a golden cow...
[06:44] <Hobbsee> effie_jayx: because it's OMG PONIES!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:44] <Hobbsee> effie_jayx: havent you seen the pony pic?
[06:44] <effie_jayx> Hobbsee,  nope
[06:44] <effie_jayx> :S
[06:45] <effie_jayx> Maybe I'll learn about it in Open Wekk 2
[06:45] <Hobbsee> effie_jayx: see it at http://myspace.com/creamier_oak
[06:46] <effie_jayx> Hobbsee,  I saw that ...
[06:47] <effie_jayx> but sorry ... :S
[06:47] <Hobbsee> the "no you cant have a pony" pic
[06:48] <effie_jayx> Well That I got...
[06:49] <effie_jayx> but how did it come about...
[06:49] <effie_jayx> the golden ponies?
[06:50] <elkbuntu> laserjock is a funny bloke, he likes making people feel good about themselves
[06:50] <elkbuntu> the inaugural 'awards' were last release, for edgy
[06:51] <Hobbsee> because people said "i want a pony", and so they decided on pony awards
[06:51] <elkbuntu> hehe
[06:51] <elkbuntu> before or after teh 'tantrum'
[06:51] <effie_jayx> hehehehe
[06:51] <effie_jayx> I can see mental pictures now
[06:52] <Hobbsee> haha
[06:52] <Hobbsee> both...
[06:52] <elkbuntu> lol
[06:55] <elkbuntu> nixternal, wtf@fridge and why is the 'poster' called "Fesity Fawn"?
[06:55] <nixternal> huh
[06:55] <elkbuntu> "Chicago Kubuntu Gremlins Excised: The stories about Ubuntu, Edubuntu and Xubuntu 7.04 posted"
[06:58] <nixternal> lol
[06:58] <nixternal> the power is Burgundavia :)
[06:59] <nixternal> power?
[06:59] <nixternal> posted by rather
[06:59] <elkbuntu> you typed it, not me
[06:59] <elkbuntu> :
[06:59] <nixternal> hehe
[06:59] <nixternal> he is the power if you think about it
[07:00] <elkbuntu> he's only a runner-up pony though :
[07:01] <nixternal> hehe, at least he got one
[07:07] <Burgundavia> nixternal: I am glad you agree I am the power
[07:07] <Burgundavia> and being slightly drunk, I feel it :)
[07:08] <nixternal> hehe
[07:08] <elkbuntu> hehe
[07:08] <nixternal> jinx
[07:08] <elkbuntu> na uh
[07:08] <nixternal> d'oh, you broke it
[07:08] <elkbuntu> we were 3 seconds different
[07:09] <elkbuntu> i didnt break it cos it was never on
[07:09] <nixternal> I counted 4
[07:09] <nixternal> but close enough
[07:09] <elkbuntu> it has to be the same second :
[07:09] <nixternal> gah
[07:09] <elkbuntu> so Burgundavia, is fesity an intentional typo?
[07:10] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: where?
[07:10] <elkbuntu> date	21/04/07 10:56:41
[07:10] <elkbuntu> category	Fesity Fawn
[07:10] <Burgundavia> hmm
[07:10] <Burgundavia> nope
[07:14] <nixternal> where is the category at?
[07:14] <nixternal> elkbuntu: are you sure it is spelled incorrectly?
[07:17] <Hobbsee> it's GazzaK - everybody hide!
[07:18] <GazzaK> oh, me, ahhh, thanks Hobbsee
[07:20] <effie_jayx> Hobbsee,  hehe
[07:20] <Hobbsee> heh
[07:23] <elkbuntu> nixternal, it's what liferea is showing me in the post details section
[07:26] <GazzaK> I went out last night
[07:29] <nixternal> elkbuntu: I fixed that
[07:30] <elkbuntu> cool
[07:36] <Burgundavia> nixternal: you are crazy back east: http://cbs2chicago.com/local/local_story_110105338.html?ic
[07:37] <elkbuntu> yay another moron in #ubuntu
[07:38] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, cleanup time
[07:39] <effie_jayx> ooff to bed
[07:39] <effie_jayx> see ya all
[07:47] <elkbuntu> cleaned
[09:08] <ubotu> mjbrooks called the ops in #ubuntu
[09:11] <Burgundavia> geez
[09:11] <Burgundavia> anybody live in #ubuntu that has a log of the issue at hand?
[09:11] <Burgundavia> hey ompaul
[09:14] <Burgundavia> nixternal: you are not still up, are you?
[09:15] <ompaul> morning Burgundavia
[09:15] <Burgundavia> ugh, we need realtime logs of #ubuntu
[09:15] <ompaul> they are pretty close
[09:16] <ompaul> whats up?
[09:16] <Burgundavia> one claimed offtopic chatter, the other claimed harrasment
[09:16] <ompaul> ahh
[09:16] <Burgundavia> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ <-- only gives me 20th
[09:17] <ompaul> ohh
[09:17] <ompaul> let me ask in *other places*
[09:18] <ompaul> first off
[09:18] <ompaul> elkbuntu, u here?
[09:19] <ompaul> how far back is this claim goin?
[09:19] <Burgundavia> 10 minutes
[09:19] <ompaul> names of the parties?
[09:20] <Burgundavia> jasin and mjbrooks
[09:20] <ompaul> thanks
[09:21] <ompaul> why didn't I turn my comp on when I got out of bed before I fed the dogs
[09:22] <ompaul> no answers bah
[09:26] <Burgundavia> ompaul: got me my infomration?
[09:27] <ompaul> no I got no one awake
[09:27] <ompaul> the europeans are all still asleep
[09:27] <Burgundavia> hmm, ok
[09:27] <ompaul> and the americans are in bed
[09:27] <Burgundavia> ah, got it
[09:27] <ompaul> btw I think it is unfortunate your neighbours have that name
[09:28] <Burgundavia> ubuntu-current exists
[09:30] <ompaul> Burgundavia, pm
[09:30] <Burgundavia> sure
[09:31] <GazzaK> ompaul, sorry I was not in #ubuntu at that time
[09:31] <ompaul> GazzaK, np
[09:31] <ompaul> we have -current
[09:32] <Burgundavia> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-current.html <-- for the record
[09:32] <Burgundavia> the url is hidden
[09:34] <GazzaK> ahh, cool
[09:38] <ubotu> In ubotu, Jordan_U said: !ntfs-3g is ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but please remember to keep backups of critical data. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions (Feisty)
[09:38] <elkbuntu> hmm?
[09:38] <Jordan_U> ( I added a link for Feisty )
[09:39] <elkbuntu> ompaul, hmm?
[09:39] <ompaul> elkbuntu, sorted
[09:48] <ompaul> Jordan_U, might it be better to make a web page for all the routes to success and have one link on the wiky pointing to all routes
[09:51] <Jordan_U> ompaul, Actually, looking at it there is a link to how to do it in older versions of Ubuntu already on the wiki page
[09:51] <ubotu> In ubotu, Jordan_U said: !ntfs-3g is ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but please remember to keep backups of critical data. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[09:52] <ompaul> :)
[09:52] <ompaul> Jordan_U, the wholes it has been extensively tested stuff is getting old
[09:53] <Jordan_U> ...
[09:53] <ubotu> In ubotu, Jordan_U said: !ntfs-3g is ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[09:56] <ompaul> Jordan_U, I used to aim for one line txt +url but the whole world got too complex
[09:56] <Seveas> !ntfs-3g is complex
[09:56] <ubotu> But ntfs-3g already means something else!
[09:56] <ompaul> :)
[09:57] <ompaul> morning Seveas
[09:57] <Seveas> oi
[09:57] <Seveas> 1ntfd-3g
[09:57] <Seveas> !ntfs-3g
[09:57] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but please remember to keep backups of critical data. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[09:57] <ompaul> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions ?
[09:57] <Seveas> !no ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[09:57] <ompaul> man its a book
[09:57] <ubotu> I'll remember that Seveas
[09:58] <Jordan_U> ompaul, I'll remember to use > instead of | whenever I use it :)
[09:58] <ompaul> Jordan_U, others don't :-(
[10:02] <ubotu> In ubotu, Jordan_U said: !ntfs-3g is Want NTFS Read / Write? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[10:02] <Jordan_U> :)
[10:04] <Seveas> @lart Jordan_U
[10:04] <Hobbsee> @pony Seveas
[10:04] <ubotu> No Seveas can't have a pony, Hobbsee!
[10:05] <elkbuntu> i got a pony :D
[10:05] <Hobbsee> haha :)
[10:05] <elkbuntu> and yes, i am going to keep on about it :
[10:05] <Hobbsee> :D
[10:21] <ompaul> @pony elkbuntu
[10:21] <ubotu> No elkbuntu can't have a pony, ompaul!
[10:21] <ompaul> :P
[10:22] <ompaul> true or false there you go the bot says it all
[10:37] <Seveas> Since gutsy is open already, shall we open up #ubuntu+1?
[10:47] <ompaul> Seveas, go for it
[10:48] <Hobbsee> sounds good to me
[10:50] <mneptok> Seveas: /mode #ubuntu+1 -libc6
[10:50] <Seveas> hehe
[10:50] <mneptok> :)
[10:51] <ompaul> damn look at the time
[10:51] <ompaul> arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[10:53] <Hobbsee> heh
[10:54] <mneptok> so was there consenus over compositor talk in #u or #u-effects?
[11:04] <Hobbsee> there's the first stupid question in #ubuntu+1
[11:07] <mneptok> "fancy a tumble?"
[11:15] <Hobbsee> no
[11:15] <elkbuntu> ompaul, i already *got* one.. a golden one :
[11:16] <elkbuntu> is +1 open again?
[11:17] <apokryphos> have the repos opened up?
[11:18] <elkbuntu> not afaik
[11:18] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: they have
[11:18] <elkbuntu> wow, that was quick
[11:18] <Hobbsee> things are slowly going thru there
[11:18] <apokryphos> ubuntu developers are slaves 8)
[11:19] <Hobbsee> true that
[11:19] <apokryphos> other distros seem to start after like a month ;-)
[11:21] <elkbuntu> mum loves feisty, since it handles her vid card better than edgy did
[11:22] <elkbuntu> and she put xubuntu on an ooold 'puter but hasnt really played with it
[11:23] <elkbuntu> she goes through these excited phases every time i go to summits or conferences ;)
[11:26] <apokryphos> heh
[11:26] <Hobbsee> lol
[11:27] <apokryphos> 'I'm so proud of you!'
[11:28] <apokryphos> jono is posting on digg? Oh Lawd :/
[11:28] <apokryphos> 'More focus and attention on the incredibleness that is Ubuntu Open Week has to be a good thing.' -- he's so wrong :D
[11:50] <elkbuntu> hehe
[11:59] <jenda> mneptok: Although I couldn't get rid of MShuttleworth last time, I won't have a problem next time ;)
[12:00] <jenda> we can't drop people 'just because' they use someone else's name, especially if they use another one (sabdfl)
[12:00] <Hobbsee> jenda: cant you drop them for being morons?
[12:00] <Hobbsee> if it's tnat NZ host?
[12:02] <jenda> not really, nope
[12:02] <jenda> Hobbsee: that's the chanop's duty.
[12:02] <jenda> and they are allowed to be morons in their own channels.
[12:04] <elkbuntu> if they are using other people's names and asking for things because as though they really were that person, then that'd almost be on par with illegal activities such as fraud, right? ;)
[12:16] <apokryphos> freenode's protection generally just stems to nickname* (and a few similar things); important thing is we can just remove them from the ubuntu channels, so it doesn't much matter
[12:17] <apokryphos> if they're doing the same activity in several ubuntu channels then they're getting close to infringing on Freenode policy anyway
[03:27] <ubotu> Huffalump called the ops in #ubuntu
[03:28] <Amaranth> ah, so that's the secret
[03:28] <Amaranth> op first, let someone else handle the problem, and get thanked for it :)
[03:29] <elkbuntu> lol
[03:29] <elkbuntu> poor gnomefreak. we wuvs you anyway
[03:29] <gnomefreak> :)
[03:33] <Hobbsee> haha
[03:38] <ompaul> Seveas, kill party given that +1 is open?
[03:38] <elkbuntu> party is virtually dead anyway
[03:38] <elkbuntu> it's run it's due course imho
[03:39] <LjL> bwaha
[03:39] <LjL> i didn't even notice i was in +1 again
[03:39] <elkbuntu> hehe
[03:40] <LjL> ompaul: kill, but redirect where? we were talking about -offtopic yesterday
[03:40] <elkbuntu> offtopic makes sense imho
[03:40] <ompaul> hmm
[03:40] <ompaul> yeah its banter land
[03:40] <ompaul> LjL, they will leave or lurk
[03:41] <elkbuntu> many of them are already there
[03:41] <ompaul> !gnewsense
[03:41] <ubotu> gNewSense is a GNU/Linux distribution based off Ubuntu with the aim of containing only free software. The Website is http://www.gnewsense.org  -  Support in #gnewsense, NOT #ubuntu
[03:41] <LjL> ompaul: you want us to redirect them there? :P
[03:41] <elkbuntu> a good few of them are devs that went to watch the insanity and never left
[03:41] <ompaul> hehe
[03:42] <ompaul> they could be free but I guess they would hate a lack of ATI :)
[03:52] <Amaranth> I _hate_ gecko
[03:52] <gnomefreak> Amaranth: awww its so ummmmmm there ;)
[03:53] <gnomefreak> i have to becareful what i say about it since i work on mozilla for ubuntu :(
[03:54] <Amaranth> heh
[03:54] <elkbuntu> that says all it needs to
[03:54] <Amaranth> well it's almost certainly nvidia's fault in the end
[03:55] <Amaranth> but gecko is the main reason my GPU flips out and gets so warm my CPU fan speeds up to cool the system down
[03:55] <Amaranth> and the main/only cause of X lockups while using compiz with nvidia
[03:55] <gnomefreak> yep that would be geckos fault
[03:55] <gnomefreak> although running compiz could be the main issue
[03:56] <gnomefreak> since we know all the effects packages love to use cpu
[03:56] <Amaranth> there is little to no CPU usage when this occurs
[03:57] <gnomefreak> oh
[03:57] <Amaranth> unless you have AIGLX enabled in which case XCopyArea is unaccelerated and Gecko abuses the hell out of that
[03:57] <gnomefreak> ah
[03:57] <Amaranth> but with nvidia you can disable AIGLX in the server and still use compiz
[03:58] <ompaul> LjL, tell then all at 8pm UTC it is closing
[03:58] <ompaul> (they should all have gone somewhere at that stage
[03:58] <gnomefreak> ompaul: what is?
[03:58] <ompaul>  -party
[03:58] <Amaranth> But I think Gecko's abuse of XCopyArea might be the cause of both problems
[03:58] <ompaul> just an idea
[03:58] <LjL> ok
[03:58] <gnomefreak> ah
[03:58] <Amaranth> Gecko is beating on the GPU at the same time compiz is trying to toss gecko's output into a texture
[03:59] <Amaranth> and I imagine the rapid context switching is bound to trip up the driver randomly
[03:59] <Amaranth> I'm hoping cairo-backed Gecko 1.9 will make this less sucky
[04:00] <LjL> ompaul: i'll leave the time unspecified for now, until seveas ping replies, and maybe tony comes, since he's got 30 in there
[04:01] <gnomefreak> i think they implemented that in trunk and i have a build of fx 2.0.0.3 with that impemented (we had patch for it but the patch is no good because they added it in
[04:01] <gnomefreak> you should see this in gutsy
[04:03] <Amaranth> you have a build of firefox 2 that uses cairo for drawing?
[04:03] <Amaranth> What did you do, hack the firefox 2 frontend on top of the Gecko 1.9 Cairo/FDL awesomeness?
[04:03] <gnomefreak> ;)
[04:04] <gnomefreak> its gonna be better before gutsy build but so far its fairly stable on feisty
[04:04] <Amaranth> dude i love you
[04:04] <gnomefreak> nevermind they are on the 1.8 branch
[04:04] <Amaranth> gimme
[04:04] <Amaranth> oh
[04:05] <gnomefreak> the trunck build i have is the 1.9
[04:05] <gnomefreak> trunk
[04:05] <LjL> ompaul: i gave NOTICE - this channel will close in a little while. #ubuntu+1 is open for Gutsy Gibbon discussion. #ubuntu support Feisty, Edgy and Dapper. #ubuntu-offtopic is available for general chatting. Thank you for coming!
[04:05] <ompaul> kewl
[04:06] <gnomefreak> and they dont listen
[04:06] <gnomefreak> assuming he came over from -party
[04:06] <Amaranth> gnomefreak: do i have to build firefox on my own to get real gtk+ widgets?
[04:07] <Amaranth> playing with a nightly
[04:07] <gnomefreak> Amaranth: i believe you do
[04:07] <Amaranth> damnit
[04:07] <Amaranth> building firefox is hard :P
[04:07] <gnomefreak> Amaranth: nope
[04:07] <gnomefreak> not all that hard
[04:08] <gnomefreak> well its being made easier for gutsy (new patch system and friends)
[04:09] <gnomefreak> Amaranth: you should beable to use feistys existing debian dir. in nightly build unless its nightly 30
[04:09] <gnomefreak> 3.0
[04:09] <Amaranth> it is
[04:09] <Amaranth> why would i want a 2.x nightly? :P
[04:09] <Amaranth> i want to see if Firefox 3.0 is going to end my pain
[04:09] <Amaranth> signs point to no
[04:10] <gnomefreak> Amaranth: hold on a sec.
[04:10] <Amaranth> hopefully we'll have epiphany with webkit someday and can drop this gecko crap :P
[04:11] <gnomefreak> deb-src http://gnomefreak.youmortals.com/mozilla-testing feisty main  you can get 3.0 from here its named firefox-trunk and you can run it without doing anything to firefox on system
[04:11] <gnomefreak> wrong channel
[04:12] <Amaranth> what's the difference in your regular 'firefox' package?
[04:13] <gnomefreak> Amaranth: firefox-trunk == 3.0
[04:13] <Amaranth> i know :P
[04:13] <gnomefreak> oh
[04:13] <gnomefreak> its built from nightlys (to save you from having to)
[04:14] <Amaranth> aww, you don't have native widgets either :P
[04:14] <gnomefreak> you might be prompted to upgrade firefox im not sure if i would yet there are a few things i found that need to be fixed and im working on tb atm
[04:14] <gnomefreak> sorry
[04:15] <LjL> untopiced -release-party from #ubuntu
[04:15] <ompaul> LjL, you need the old irish pub is closing cry "have you no homes to go to ;-)"
[04:16] <LjL> ompaul: :-P here, they just turn off the lights
[04:16] <ompaul> hehe
[04:16] <Amaranth> meh
[04:16] <Amaranth> firefox 3 is going to suck just as much as 2
[04:17] <gnomefreak> it might but we can only fix our end of it and even those patfches have to be submitted and oked before adding them :(
[04:18] <Amaranth> I'm more interested in the platform than the browser
[04:18] <Amaranth> I use epiphany :P
[04:18] <gnomefreak> ah i try not to use browsers at all but when i do its ff or kas...
[04:19] <Amaranth> kas?
[04:19] <poningru> ...
[04:20] <gnomefreak> kazehakase
[04:22] <gnomefreak> sorry so late im reading something
[04:29] <LjL> !edgy
[04:29] <ubotu> Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. Upgrading to Edgy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.ubuntu.com/download - Release Notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseNotes
[04:29] <LjL> !no edgy is <reply> Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) is the 5th release of Ubuntu. Upgrading to Edgy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades - Downloading: http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/6.10/ - Release Notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseNotes
[04:29] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[04:29] <LjL> !feisty
[04:29] <ubotu> FEISTY IS OUT! Party in #ubuntu-release-party - Torrent downloads at http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/7.04/ - Metalinks (use with Aria2 or, under Windows, GetRight) at http://download.packages.ro/metalink/ubuntu/
[04:29] <LjL> !no feisty is <reply> Ubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn) is the latest version of Ubuntu. Upgrading to Feisty: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.ubuntu.com/download - For BitTorrent downloads, see !Torrents
[04:29] <LjL> !torrents
[04:29] <ubotu> Torrent downloads for the Ubuntu ISOs are available on all the download pages. For Feisty: http://releases.ubuntu.com/feisty/
[04:29] <LjL> !no torrents is <reply> Torrent downloads for the Ubuntu ISOs are available on all the download pages. For Feisty: http://releases.ubuntu.com/feisty/ (CDs) or http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/7.04/release/ (DVDs)
[04:29] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[04:30] <elkbuntu> yikes
[04:32] <LjL> sorry, but i needed the links checked. i'm particularly confused by the cdimage vs us.releases mirrors
[04:33] <LjL> and ubuntu.com's get ubuntu isn't very very helpful, especially for torrents
[04:34] <poningru> ...
[04:34] <poningru> halp
[04:35] <elkbuntu> poningru?
[04:35] <poningru> #ubuntu-effects change the topic to feisty por favor from edgy
[04:35] <poningru> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BerylOnFeisty
[04:36] <LjL> poningru: Compiz Edgy Howto: http://tinyurl.com/2ec6qk   doesn't work for me, is that still valid?
[04:36] <mc44> LjL: apparently the us mirror is intentionally in sweden :)
[04:36] <PriceChild> poningru, hmmm i should update that feisty guide...
[04:36] <LjL> mc44: they're surely not afraid of US copyright law :P
[04:36] <poningru> LjL: 404 there
[04:37] <poningru> PriceChild: ...
[04:37] <LjL> ok removing it for now
[04:37] <PriceChild> poningru, should say how to use the restricted manager instead of apt
[04:37] <poningru> PriceChild: I updated it and asked for help like all over the place no one was willing to help :(
[04:37] <poningru> PriceChild: it does
[04:37] <PriceChild> oh does it? cool
[04:38] <poningru> yeah except I wanted to make a page for the restricted drivers manager
[04:40] <mc44> LjL: oh and the datacentre was using 16GB of bandwidth on release day
[04:40] <poningru> mc44: holy cow
[04:40] <elkbuntu>  /sec?
[04:40] <mc44> yep
[04:40] <elkbuntu> gobdammit
[04:40] <elkbuntu> that is *alot*
[04:41] <LjL> well the US mirror kept being very slow or down for quite some time
[04:41] <elkbuntu> i'd love to know 'download numbers'
[04:41] <LjL> while many other mirrors were fine
[04:41] <LjL> i think we have a problem with load balancing
[04:41] <mc44> elkbuntu: they didnt really have proper numners, cos most of the mirrors dont report
[04:41] <elkbuntu> mc44, i know
[04:42] <LjL> on one hand, we have www.ubuntu.com, which is as well layed out as mc44's face, as far as downloads go, so what we give is us.releases.blah
[04:42] <elkbuntu> but i'll bet that fedora tries its 'we had X downloads' crap again
[04:42] <mc44> :p
[04:42] <mc44> elkbuntu: yeah I was very impressed the canoncial folk didnt want to give out made up numbers
[04:43] <mc44> there are no pictures
[04:44] <poningru> I wonder how well layed out it is ;)
[04:44] <mc44> cameras are not resiliant enough
[04:44] <poningru> sounds like my face
[04:47] <gnomefreak> can we add users to changing/adding/removing factoids or is that Seveas' job?
[04:48] <elkbuntu> Seveas'
[04:48] <gnomefreak> ok
[04:49] <gnomefreak> Seveas: can you add asac for rights to bot factoids?
[04:51] <ompaul> GazzaK, or should I say GazzaK_
[04:52] <poningru> is that an underscore by your name or are you just hap... err nm
[04:52] <GazzaK> I'm me
[04:52] <GazzaK> and the other one is the damn lapfrog
[04:53] <ompaul> poningru, haha
[04:53] <ompaul> wooo
[04:53] <poningru> pwnt
[04:54] <ompaul> he will be if he don't fix it :)
[04:54] <ompaul> GazzaK, :P
[04:54] <GazzaK> ompaul, it's a auto join jobbie, leave it be :p
[04:55] <ompaul> GazzaK, since when were you from the Gorbals
[04:55] <GazzaK> from where?
[04:55] <mc44> oh no, is GazzaK cloning himself again?
[04:55] <ompaul> mc44, did you get that joke?
[04:55] <GazzaK> mc44, shh
[04:56] <mc44> ompaul: I never get your jokes, I just laugh politely and pretend
[04:57] <ompaul> gotcha
[04:57] <mc44> :p
[04:57] <mc44> I'm on mirc atm :(
[04:58] <gnomefreak> I'm on mirc atm :(   <<< makes for a sad day in IRC land
[04:58] <poningru> awww
[04:58] <poningru> its ok
[04:58] <poningru> we can get you a better client
[04:58] <poningru> just hang in there
[04:59] <mc44> hehe
[04:59] <poningru> dont lose hope
[04:59] <LjL> there's xchat to start with
[04:59] <LjL> my doubts it's better... but :P
[04:59] <poningru> ...
[04:59] <jrib> sorry to hear that poningru
[04:59] <mc44> LjL: except my 30 day trial expired apparently
[04:59] <poningru> trust me irssi does not scale well to > 40 channels
[05:00] <LjL> mc44: of what, xchat? :P
[05:00] <poningru> mc44: xchat is open and you can get it for free
[05:00] <poningru> hold on
[05:00] <gnomefreak> mc44: xchat for windows == free :)
[05:00] <mc44> gnomefreak: not where I got it from
[05:00] <gnomefreak> where i get it from it is
[05:00] <gnomefreak> mc44: poningru is getting you the link
[05:00] <poningru> mc44: http://www.silverex.org/download/
[05:00] <LjL> mc44: ?!
[05:00] <gnomefreak> mc44: hint google free xchat
[05:00] <LjL> non-free xchat?!
[05:00] <mc44> ah free!
[05:01] <poningru> LjL: free as in beer
[05:01] <mc44> LjL: http://www.xchat.org/windows/
[05:01] <poningru> its not free as in beer but free as in freedom
[05:01] <LjL> crazy
[05:01] <mc44> I'm only at my parents for the weekend anyhow
[05:02] <LjL> is the really free version different? like use cygwin or such?
[05:02] <poningru> nope
[05:02] <mc44> LjL: no its just not compiled by money-grabbing freedom lovers
[05:03] <LjL> so... the source code xchat.org has *is* compilable on windows as-is, it's just that they charge for their binary?
[05:03] <atoponce> poningru: i'm in 40+ channels in irssi
[05:03] <atoponce> seems to be going okay
[05:03] <mc44> LjL: seems that way
[05:03] <poningru> atoponce ...
[05:03] <atoponce> :)
[05:03] <poningru> hmm well doesnt work for me :p
[05:04] <poningru> LjL: their explanation is that the compiler costs them monies
[05:04] <atoponce> the biggest problem i ran into was keyboard shortcuts for going to the 41st window
[05:04] <mc44> LjL: "Building XChat for Windows is a difficult process, it requires quite some skill and expertise to accomplish. It takes time, and is by no means automated. This version also has some value added features only for Windows, such as opening irc:// URLs from your web browser in an existing instance of xchat, spell checking and graphical emoticons."
[05:04] <poningru> so... inorder to recoup that...
[05:04] <LjL> poningru: there's no GCC for windows? =)
[05:04] <atoponce> there is xchat-2 for windows that doesn't have the 20-day problem
[05:04] <jrib> atoponce: are you using capital letters?
[05:05] <atoponce> jrib: good idea. didn't think of that, actually.
[05:05] <poningru> WOAH
[05:05] <gnomefreak> cross compile it and call it a day
[05:05] <atoponce> no, /41 /42 /43 etc
[05:05] <poningru> I didnt think about that
[05:05] <gnomefreak> we have cross compiliers afaik
[05:06] <atoponce> but, hey. the capital letters is better, i think
[05:06] <atoponce> that'll get me up to 80, which i don't ever think i'll be in
[05:06] <atoponce> at least, i hope not. :)
[05:06] <mc44> I may just install ubuntu on here and see if they notice. However I did get shouted at rather last time I tried that
[05:06] <poningru> mc44: just tell them its the new vista
[05:07] <poningru> put beryl on there
[05:07] <mc44> hehe
[05:07] <atoponce> http://www.silverex.org/download/
[05:07] <atoponce> there's xchat2, with no trial period
[05:07] <jrib> windows vista ubuntu edition to explain all the mention of "ubuntu"
[05:07] <atoponce> bbiab
[05:07] <nalioth> LjL: there is gcc for windows
[05:08] <LjL> nalioth: i know there is :)
[05:08] <mc44> jrib: windows vista home premium ubuntu ubuntu ubuntu edition
[05:08] <nalioth> poningru: you can go to cygwin.com and get a full set of compilers  for FREE
[05:08] <poningru> oh hmm
[05:08] <poningru> well did not know that
[05:08] <poningru> well thats what the xchat people say
[05:10] <LjL> i don't think you even need cygwin for gcc on windows...?
[05:11] <nalioth> LjL: you do, if you don't want to pay out a few thousand dollars
[05:12] <LjL> nalioth: well what about MinGW, it's a bit less obtrusive than CygWin, and there's Dev-C++ that hides any sort of Unix-likeness from your view. what do you mean pay thousand dollars anyway?
[05:13] <nalioth> LjL: to buy a "Microsoft Approved" compiler suite, the minimum package costs $1500
[05:13] <nalioth> LjL: i only know of cygwin (i've used it and recommend it)
[05:14] <LjL> nalioth: wha?! you mean Visual Studio or whatever it's called now costs $1500? (and is there a "Microsoft approved" GCC?)
[05:15] <poningru> LjL: I was under the impression you cant just use gcc on windows
[05:15] <nalioth> poningru: you'll need cygwin to get gcc in the first place
[05:15] <nalioth> then you can gcc to your hearts content
[05:15] <LjL> Bloodshed Dev-C++ is a full-featured Integrated Development Environment (IDE) for the C/C++ programming language. It uses Mingw port of GCC (GNU Compiler Collection) as it's compiler. Dev-C++ can also be used in combination with Cygwin or any other GCC based compiler.
[05:20] <poningru> oh happy earth day everyone!
[05:31] <LjL> who added "CLOSED SOURCE" to !automatix?
[05:31] <PriceChild> The !automatix script says that it is closed source?
[05:32] <PriceChild> haha
[05:32] <PriceChild> Its GPL'd
[05:32] <PriceChild> -automatix
[05:32] <PriceChild> !-automatix
[05:32] <ubotu> automatix aliases: automatix2, automatrix - added by gnomefreak on 2006-07-02 04:29:31
[05:32] <LjL> PriceChild: well, i'm not sure that's *so* true
[05:32] <PriceChild> LjL, it is if you read the licenses in the packages
[05:33] <LjL> PriceChild: it isn't when you consider that parts of it (apparently, for what i can tell) are compiled python bytecode *only*
[05:33] <PriceChild> yeah that's what got us confused
[05:33] <tsmithe> RJ-4945 is a moron
[05:33] <Myrtti> ARnieboy?
[05:34] <nalioth> and good luck getting the source
[05:37] <tsmithe> hah
[05:39] <LjL> PriceChild: well, if i'm not mistaken about that, then it means the thing "says" it's GPL'd, but you can't really apply the GPL to it
[05:39] <LjL> so it's like it's got no license
[05:40] <PriceChild> it says its GPL in the package
[05:40] <PriceChild> s
[05:40] <elkbuntu> they have like a sponsor company now too, so it's going to be even more fun
[05:40] <PriceChild> but he doesn't "offer" source which is a violation isn't it?
[05:40] <LjL> PriceChild: yeah. of course, the *author* can violate his own license as long as he likes (but is arnieboy the original author anyway?)
[05:41] <LjL> the problem is that *you and me* can't redistribute it under the GPL
[05:41] <elkbuntu> LjL, yes, unfortunately
[05:41] <LjL> so, in practice, no license
[05:41] <PriceChild> there's several people on it, someone else has taken over afaik
[05:42] <PriceChild> hmm there's just the one python file i can't find source for in there... one out of countless :( I vote we leave the "closed source" bit in until he "offers" source in accordance with the gpl
[05:42] <LjL> except, of course, that if it includes one single thing that is by someone else and is under the GPL, that someone else could sue. hope they do. :P
[05:43] <LjL> i vote we remove the caps. they're annoying, and anyway we don't really want to *stress* that on people - people will end up thinking that we don't like it *just* because it's closed source, and install it anyway (since they don't care, as they use it for installing *more* closed source stuff)
[05:43] <LjL> !automatix
[05:43] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a CLOSED SOURCE script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[05:44] <LjL> !no automatix is <reply> Automatix2 is a proprietary script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[05:44] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[05:44] <LjL> proprietary is ambiguous enough
[05:46] <ompaul> LjL, is it reall7 closed
[05:47] <poningru> oh pwnt
[05:47] <PriceChild> ompaul, check my last message
[05:47] <ompaul> ohh hell
[05:47] <ompaul> its not a real violation
[05:47] <LjL> ompaul: well, see above. pricechild and me could not dig out the source for the bytecode compiled python thing that's at the heart of it
[05:47] <ompaul> its a script once installed you have the source
[05:47] <ompaul> ohhhhhhhhhhh
[05:47] <ompaul> nice ne
[05:47] <ompaul> one
[05:47] <LjL> ompaul: no, bytecode compiled is not a script
[05:47] <PriceChild> It is a violation if they don't offer the source
[05:48] <LjL> and we've discussed this before a couple of times, and nobody ever said "wait, i know where the source is"
[05:48] <ompaul> y
[05:48] <LjL> admittedly, it's hard to dig their repositories
[05:48] <LjL> since they're not browsable >:
[05:48] <LjL> but i've tried the likely directories
[05:48] <PriceChild> i even asked in their channel and one of the devs said they don't keep source on their server
[05:48] <PriceChild> that was a week ago
[05:48] <ompaul> so they have GPL and no source
[05:48] <PriceChild> I'd "have to speak with arnieboy"
[05:48] <ompaul> hehe
[05:49] <ompaul> I'll use my contacts in the FSF for them :)
[05:49] <elkbuntu> ompaul, you're the best! ;)
[05:49] <LjL> ompaul, well, they can do it legally (as long as they don't include *other people's* code), i think
[05:50] <LjL> ompaul: it just becomes a "fake" license. we can't respect it, so we don't have it in practice
[05:50] <LjL> can't swear they actually don't include other people's code, though, for sure - actually, last time i browsed through it, it looked a bit like they did
[06:21] <nalioth> automatix is just like the xpde window mangager
[06:21] <nalioth> it purports to be "open source", and even has source code available --in gibberish
[06:22] <LjL> nalioth: well, "gibberish source code" is also know as "binary", you know ;)
[06:23] <nalioth> LjL: no, it's text, but it's in some language that i have no idea how to compile
[06:23] <apokryphos> isn't it being raised now for the next CC meeting?
[06:24] <LjL> nalioth: well, if it's scrambled, obfuscated or somesuch, anyway the GPL doesn't considered that sort of thing as "source code"
[06:24] <LjL> source code is the form that is most convenient for modifications, according to the GPL
[06:25] <nalioth> right.
[06:25] <nalioth> i'd LOVE to have xpde running on my apple hardware
[06:25] <nalioth> just for the looks from folks . . .
[06:27] <LjL> nalioth: keep in mind i'd not even heard of this thing before, but the FAQ seem to state it's written in Kylix, i.e. Delphi (and the author uses the commercial edition, but "thinks" it will compile with the free one as well)
[06:27] <LjL> !info kylix
[06:27] <ubotu> Package kylix does not exist in feisty
[06:27] <LjL> yeah whatever
[06:29] <LjL> !info fp-compiler
[06:29] <ubotu> fp-compiler: Free Pascal -- Compiler. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0.4-5 (feisty), package size 2241 kB, installed size 6492 kB
[06:29] <LjL> nalioth: this one claims Delphi compatibility, though i'd have my doubts it compiles that stuff
[06:30] <nalioth> LjL: right.
[07:33] <LjL> gnomefreak: we know, especially by looking at the date it reports :)
[07:35] <gnomefreak> could be free still not worth a crap IMHO
[07:36] <LjL> gnomefreak: yeah, as i said, i wouldn't even prominently put the closed-sourcedness in the factoid, since people will think "oh, these guys just don't want me to use it because it's not open source, but what do i care"
[07:36] <gnomefreak> dont: screw up  do: backup and install
[07:36] <LjL> (since, of course, people who're using automatix don't care about installing closed source stuff, since that's mostly what automatix installs)
[07:36] <LjL> like i ever followed the "backup" part :P
[07:36] <gnomefreak> lol
[07:37] <gnomefreak> someone just asked me dos and donts when installing
[07:37] <gnomefreak> ummmmmm follow the instructions on the installer?
[07:37] <nalioth> the gui installer fails
[07:37] <nalioth> constantly
[07:38] <gnomefreak> feistys too?
[07:38] <nalioth> for me, anyway
[07:38] <nalioth> yes, Feisty
[07:38] <nalioth> i had to go with the alternate install CD
[07:38] <gnomefreak> dappers is the only one that worked for me so ive been using that and upgrading
[07:38] <LjL> haven't tried installing
[07:38] <gnomefreak> the alternate cd kept screwing grub up for me
[07:38] <LjL> although, i've been on the opinion that they'd dropped the Debian installer too early since Dapper came out
[07:39] <gnomefreak> colin == not much help when i brought it to him
[07:39] <gnomefreak> LjL: it still uses the d-i
[07:39] <LjL> yeah well, the good old textmode cd anyway
[07:39] <gnomefreak> maybe basic in background d-i
[07:40] <gnomefreak> livecd uses it in background
[07:40] <LjL> well, not all of it apparently, or it would just work like the other
[07:40] <LjL> well, both are still available, at least
[07:40] <nalioth> gnomefreak: i don't have grub.
[07:40] <gnomefreak> LjL: right, he did make changes to it
[07:40] <LjL> but the GUI installer lacks a few options that users *have* complained about (where to put GRUB, etc... heck, just put an "Advanced" button if you don't want to clutter)
[07:40] <nalioth> gnomefreak: my grub is MISSING
[07:41] <LjL> and the fact that you can't use the Desktop CD as a repository is, bad.
[07:41] <gnomefreak> nalioth: your kidding god tell me your kidding
[07:41] <nalioth> gnomefreak: why do i need grub? i run PowerPc
[07:41] <gnomefreak> LjL: they added on in edgy
[07:41] <gnomefreak> the grub button
[07:41] <LjL> oh, ok
[07:42] <gnomefreak> nalioth: ah you use the ummm yaboot
[07:42] <LjL> he boots MacOS 7 and then tells it to go away and boot Linux :P
[07:42] <gnomefreak> lol
[07:42] <nalioth> i don't have anything that will boot System 7
[07:43] <Tm_Mobile> hi kids
[07:43] <gnomefreak> the person saved everything to desktop the mouse only have one button and the menu at top doesnt give you files
[07:43] <nalioth> gnomefreak: it's in Applications > Utilities > Terminal
[07:44] <LjL> gnomefreak: the power button is somewhere on the casing :P
[07:45] <gnomefreak> i found that :) i almost introduced it to the wall too
[07:45] <gnomefreak> now i want one of my own to figure it out (just another thing to give me a headache)
[07:46] <gnomefreak> ;)
[07:49] <gnomefreak> i need to learn how to take a day off
[08:04] <Tm_Mobile> fun fun releaseparty :)
[08:20] <jrib> haha
[08:31] <jenda> @now
[08:31] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: April 21 2007, 18:31:21 - Current meeting: Support Team
[08:39] <tsmithe> jenda, can Toxicity999 be unbanned in #ubuntuforums. PriceChild was being a fool, and Toxicity didn't actually do anything wrong
[08:39] <tsmithe> thank you
[08:39] <jenda> hmm
[08:41] <tsmithe> jenda, ?
[08:42] <ompaul> who where?
[08:42] <tsmithe> ehh well, you know how it is :)
[08:42] <tsmithe> i'm not trying to make a fuss
[08:43] <ompaul> tsmithe, that has to be addressed by PC
[08:43] <tsmithe> ok :)
[08:43] <ompaul> and that was not really a good call
[08:44] <tsmithe> i just though the ban was silly, and PC is apparently away :) i guess the guy can wait :)
[08:45] <jenda> Yeap, it'll have to be Pricey who takes care of that.
[08:45] <gnomefreak> @btlogin
[08:45] <gnomefreak> whats with all the certs :(
[08:48] <gnomefreak> :(
[08:52] <PriceChild> Hey
[08:53] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: hi ;)
[08:53] <PriceChild> tsmithe, i promised him I would unban him in 1/2 hour when i got back. You _really_ shouldn't type things lilke that into ir
[08:53] <PriceChild> c
[08:53] <tsmithe> rargh i know
[08:53] <PriceChild> there are silly people out there that will just blindly paste them into the terminal
[08:53] <tsmithe> but that's crazy. but i know.
[08:53] <PriceChild> Done
[08:53] <gnomefreak> to see what the command does :(
[09:07] <LjL> kubuntu ops, there's something going on that involved me and that, if my instinct doesn't lie, is likely to explode. please keep an eye over myself and the others.
[09:24] <ubotu> In ubotu, ompaul said: no raid is <reply> Raid and LVM --> very easy guide for alternate CD : http://users.piuha.net/martti/comp/ubuntu/raid.html Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[09:24] <ompaul> %login
[09:24] <ompaul> !no raid is <reply> Raid and LVM --> very easy guide for alternate CD : http://users.piuha.net/martti/comp/ubuntu/raid.html Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[09:24] <ubotu> I'll remember that ompaul
[09:45] <nixternal> who does the adding to the bots for names when someone calls ops?
[09:45] <PriceChild> Anyone can?
[09:45] <PriceChild> Well those with editors access can.
[09:45] <nixternal> well, nevermind on it. I was given ops last night in #ubuntu but it seems to be only a temp thing since nobody was around
[09:46] <nixternal> Hobbsee tried to add me but didn't have the powah I guess
[09:46] <PriceChild> sev.eas gave you ops in #ubuntu ?
[09:46] <nixternal> Hobbsee gave temp ops last night because of the idiots and everyone on the ops call list was enjoying life ;)
[09:47] <PriceChild> Ah ok. Seems like you're back off of it now.
[09:47] <nixternal> well I wasn't on the perm ops list for #ubuntu
[09:47] <nixternal> I think because somehow my IRSSI config booged and I wasn't auto joining #ubuntu nor #xubuntu
[09:48] <ompaul> nixternal, I was asleep not enjoying it
[09:48] <ompaul> :)
[09:48] <PriceChild> Ah so that's why you're opped in #ubuntu :)
[09:48] <nixternal> hehe
[09:48] <nixternal> ya
[09:50] <ompaul> nixternal, next up you'll be asked to join the ops team and after that you make your own distro and become a freenode staffer and have no life
[09:50] <ompaul> :)
[09:50] <LjL> ompaul: i'm only at the first item, but i had no life even before that
[09:50] <nixternal> heh, I am on the ops team, and we are working on a custom server distro as a matter of fact
[09:50] <nixternal> and I will never be an IRC staffer again
[09:50] <PriceChild> haha
[09:50] <nixternal> I did that once back in the day for ETG and a couple of others
[09:52] <ompaul> in fact I want two and a cup of tea but that is a different story
[09:52] <ompaul> I can't eat chocolate but I can eat that :)
[09:53] <PriceChild> aww why no choccy?
[09:53] <ompaul> no milk based products and that falls in there
[09:54] <ompaul> no dairy milk that is
[09:55] <Seveas> %moderatorsz
[09:55] <Seveas> %moderators
[09:55] <ubotu> Seveas, gnomefreak, apokryphos, Hobbsee, nalioth
[09:55] <Seveas> gnomefreak, those people can add editors (so including you :))
[09:55] <Seveas> with %addditor nickname_of_editor
[09:55] <gnomefreak> ok ty
[09:56] <gnomefreak> is that spelled right or should it be %addeditor?
[09:57] <LjL> gee
[09:57] <gnomefreak> %addditor asac
[09:57] <LjL> i'll never remember there is /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[09:58] <LjL> already the second time i spend ages with someone, puzzled as to why a repository which shouldn't be there, is
[09:58] <Seveas> gnomefreak, as you know, my e is malfunctioning :)
[09:58] <gnomefreak> lol
[09:58] <Seveas> so yeah, it's addeditor
[09:58] <LjL> poor svas
[09:58] <gnomefreak> i got an asac is not registered
[09:59] <LjL> ask him to register
[09:59] <Seveas> then he needs to register :)
[09:59] <gnomefreak> but he is identified with freenode
[09:59] <LjL> registered to the bot
[09:59] <Seveas> he's not in the ops team
[09:59] <Seveas> so no autologin/autoregister
[09:59] <gnomefreak> ah
[09:59] <Seveas> I wouldn't mind having him in the ops team, but since IRC council is on hold, so are new ops :)
[10:00] <gnomefreak> its /msg ubotu register <password>?
[10:00] <LjL> who's he, though? i guess i'm not much "in", but the nickname tells me nothing :P
[10:00] <LjL> register nickname password IIRC
[10:01] <Seveas> gnomefreak, ubuntu firefox guy
[10:01] <gnomefreak> LjL: hes a DD now mozilla maintainer for ubuntu
[10:01] <jenda> 14
[10:01] <jenda> oops
[10:01] <LjL> i see
[10:02] <jenda> Seveas: I'm allowed to spam 3 lines in #ubuntu each week, aren't I? :)
[10:02] <gnomefreak> except iceape :(
[10:02] <LjL> jenda: ... there's a quiz?
[10:02] <jenda> LjL: yes!
[10:02] <jenda> theCore is back, and so are the quizen
[10:02] <Seveas> jenda, about quizes: yes, but not 3 1000-character lines :p
[10:03] <LjL> darn, just been called to go out and drink a little. though thecore's questions usually get me more drunk :P
[10:03] <gnomefreak> why not set it in ubotu and just do a !quiz?
[10:03] <jenda> Seveas: you know they are limited at a few hundred ;)
[10:10] <nixternal> Seveas: does it make sense to add another op to #ubuntu, such as myself, since I am a loser and have no life except for Kubuntu, KDE, Linux, and IRC :)
[10:10] <nixternal> re: planet when my blog post hits
[10:10] <Seveas> makes sense
[10:11] <gnomefreak> ;)
[10:11] <gnomefreak> sorry had to
[10:11] <nixternal> hehe
[10:11] <nixternal> since I am around all of the time doing absolutely nothing, hell I can at least be of some use ;)
[10:11] <Seveas> -ChanServ- [nixternal]  has been added to the access list for #ubuntu with level [10] 
[10:11] <nixternal> got it, thanks, I think ;p
[10:12] <nixternal> great, now i don't have to stay op'd in there
[10:13] <gnomefreak> nope either does ompaul but he likes it
[10:13] <gnomefreak> ;)
[10:13] <ompaul>  /cs k gnomefreak
[10:14] <gnomefreak> ;)
[10:16] <nixternal> it is warm here in Chicago today as well
[10:16] <nixternal> I polished the car and the rims, and I am burnt
[10:16] <nixternal> I can feel the sun
[10:17] <GazzaK> nixternal, pictures?  (of the car :p)
[10:17] <nixternal> somewhere
[10:17] <nixternal> it is a pos 2006 Pontiac G6 sport coupe
[10:17] <nixternal> stock
[10:17] <nixternal> that I am getting rid of
[10:18] <nixternal> mum is buying it
[10:19] <GazzaK> is it shiny now though
[10:22] <nixternal> http://www.flickr.com/photos/nixternal/176615241/
[10:24] <GazzaK> thats alright, nice colour
[10:24] <GazzaK> shiny :-)
[10:27] <nixternal> heh, I just nixed my pictures
[10:27] <nixternal> hehe
[10:27] <nixternal> it is mum's car now, I am to tall for it, and I don't like driving it
[10:28] <nixternal> I thought I could move my private pics out in to the open but I move then into the trash it looks like ;)
[10:29] <GazzaK> nixternal, how did you get these http://www.flickr.com/photos/nixternal/193516674/
[10:31] <GazzaK> and how did you get linux on the ipod mini - I have one of them too, and would love to do that
[10:32] <GazzaK> nixternal, my car, when it was clean http://farm1.static.flickr.com/169/467481889_8d2c069e79_o.jpg
[11:13] <nixternal> that's a sharp little car
[11:14] <nixternal> GazzaK: that is a nice house in the background as well
[11:14] <nixternal> cuLinux I think it was it is called on the iPod
[11:14] <nixternal> ucLinux, something like that
[11:20] <ubotu> nixternal called the ops in #ubuntu-chicago
[11:20] <nixternal> d'o
[11:20] <nixternal> h
[11:32] <ubotu> nixternal called the ops in #ubuntu-chicago
[11:32] <nixternal> lol
[11:32] <nixternal> thanks gnomefreak ;p
[11:32] <nixternal> jeesh
[11:32] <gnomefreak> anytime :)
[11:35] <Madpilot> something wrong with nickserv?
[11:35] <nixternal> PriceChild: do you use irssi?
[11:35] <nixternal> if so I would like to have that netsplit script you use
[11:36] <nixternal> Madpilot: netsplit just occurred
[11:36] <PriceChild> nixternal, I'm on xchat atm. Although I do have irssi where I live normally.
[11:36] <Madpilot> ah, OK
[11:36] <PriceChild> nixternal, that wasn't a script 8-)
[11:36] <nixternal> PriceChild: you are just on the ball, I like that
[11:36] <nixternal> hehe
[11:36] <nalioth> Madpilot: netsplit currently in progress
[11:36] <nixternal> how is the weather in texas today nalioth?
[11:37] <Madpilot> great timing on my part - I'd wondered what would happen to someone arriving in the middle of a netsplit - now I know
[11:37] <nalioth> nixternal: hot.
[11:37] <nixternal> lol
[11:37] <nixternal> nalioth: it is hot here in Chicago for once as well, well not hot hot, but still near 80 right now
[11:37] <nalioth> 87 here or something like it
[11:37] <nixternal> nice
[11:59] <obsethryl> hello
[11:59] <PriceChild> Hey
[11:59] <obsethryl> is there anyone of the ops available for some questions please
[12:00] <PriceChild> Ask away :)
[12:00] <obsethryl> how strong is moderation around here
[12:00] <PriceChild> !guidelines
[12:00] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[12:00] <PriceChild> Those are the guidelines that we try to keep in place throughout the #*ubuntu* channels.
[12:00] <PriceChild> Its mostly just common sense and decency.
[12:01] <obsethryl> i see
[12:01] <obsethryl> checking the guidelines one sec
[12:03] <obsethryl> The operators in #ubuntu have all signed the Ubuntu Code of Conduct. <--- could you please explain the weight of the word signed in this occasion
[12:04] <PriceChild> We have all signed it with our gpg keys (or ink and mailed it in) to promise that we will abide by its guidelines.
[12:05] <obsethryl> should someone feel offended, attacked, in any way verbally abused because of the usual "irc" warfare, what is the usual stance?
[12:05] <Madpilot> the usual stance is that "the usual IRC warfare" has no place in Ubuntu's channels, basically
[12:06] <obsethryl> in the occasion that such behaviour occurs, who is called from the operators body to resolve differences?
[12:06] <obsethryl> operators'*
[12:06] <ompaul> those who are around and one or more will react anything from a warning to a removal
[12:07] <obsethryl> is it possible for the offended party to relay any notification to a more upstream management regarding fully documented misbehaviour / abuse?
[12:09] <ompaul> obsethryl, that question is not specific enough
[12:09] <ompaul> please make it more specfice
[12:09] <ompaul> specific
[12:09] <obsethryl> in the ingrateful yet mathematically existant possibility that for some reason, the regular irc ops weigh down the extent of the offence made; i am not trying to imply anything, i am simply considering possibility and probability here
[12:09] <Madpilot> ... was that supposed to make any kind of sense?
[12:11] <obsethryl> what happens if the offended party considers op guideline enforcement inadequate in respect to the extent of the "damage" ?
[12:11] <ompaul> you are not specific
[12:11] <ompaul> if party (A) is what and what is (B) damage
[12:12] <ompaul> ohh by the way what does the party (A) want doen
[12:12] <ompaul> done even
[12:14] <obsethryl> for every damage (C) party (A) institutes upon party (B) there is a set of actions (D) taken by the ops that abide to the guidelines; should that set (D) be considered inadequate by party (B) for the damage (C) or offensive, what else is left to do but to simply pack your things and go?
[12:14] <ompaul> usually it won't get there but yes
[12:14] <Seveas> obsethryl, if you are unhappy with something the ops did or did not do, just say so
[12:15] <Seveas> obsethryl, if you are looking for an scalation procedure: wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam
[12:17] <obsethryl> i am not at all, i am trying to be a bit proactive before i take a decision and stand by it; there is no case with #ubuntu or anyone, i am only collecting some information so that 1) there is a priori knowledge of the established trend in the way of doing things 2) i do not waste time should the issue ever appear.
[12:17] <obsethryl> Seveas: kiijubg at the ircTeam link now thank you
[12:17] <Seveas> kiijubg?
[12:18] <obsethryl> Seveas: bad typing sorry
[12:18] <obsethryl> "looking"
[12:18] <Seveas> ah :)
[12:23] <obsethryl> alright Seveas aka Mr. Kaarsemaker, i enjoy the time dedicated to enlighten me on this subject. This is the sole most important reason for me to enter ubuntulandia, knowing that there is some benevolent moderation; the layout of the irc - related page information looks promising. I have been using gnu/linux for several years; decent moderation is somewhat lacking in mainstream "irc", more so in gnu/linux channels. And quite frankly while i
[12:23] <obsethryl> simply love my bash shell and doing things through it there is a limit of things you let pass by "just because it is IRC".
[12:23] <obsethryl> thanks also to the rest who replied
[12:25] <obsethryl> enjoy/enjoyed*