[12:27] <alnokta> !ubotu monitor
[12:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about monitor - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:28] <alnokta> !ubotu hz
[12:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hz - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:28] <alnokta> dumb bot :)
[12:28] <Pumpernickel> You can, somewhat - you can specify ranges in xorg.conf for HorizSync and VertRefresh, as well as specifying specific resolutions.
[12:28] <Pumpernickel> If the driver, or the monitor, or the card don't support those values, though, it may fail utterly.
[12:29] <Pumpernickel> You can also investigate the bot in /msg.
[12:29] <alnokta> ah, thanks Pumpernickel :)
[12:30] <alnokta> but how to add these values?
[12:32] <Pumpernickel> It would look something like this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16674/
[12:35] <pokieo> how do you find the names of apps? It's called Calm virus, but in the
[12:36] <pokieo> program folder it's not called that
[12:36] <Pumpernickel> You can use `dpkg -L packagename` to see a list of installed files.
[12:37] <pokieo> thnaks
[12:38] <hoth> ok I am really dumb...how do I do an Mget??
[12:40] <Pumpernickel> http://www.pcs.cnu.edu/~mbland/ftp/node7.html
[12:40] <hoth> Thanks!!
[12:40] <Pumpernickel> np
[12:40] <alnokta> Pumpernickel: thanks, i will restrt x
[12:43] <alnokta> Pumpernickel: sorry to bother, but is there a command to check if my working settings (refresh rate,depth)?
[12:50] <maxamillion> going home!!!
[12:51] <Pumpernickel> `xrandr` might work
[12:57] <alnokta> Pumpernickel: it works, but not with my setting
[12:57] <alnokta> i added this : Option  "metamodes"     "800x600_72 +0+0; 800x600 +0+0"
[01:03] <Pumpernickel> Metamodes shouldn't be necessary if the other sections are right.
[01:05] <alnokta> Pumpernickel: so i c an make it 'Option "800x600_72 +0+0;"'?
[01:06] <Pumpernickel> No, just don't use a metamodes line.
[01:06] <alnokta> ah, you mean i just append "_72 to the other lines? Pumpernickel
[01:07] <Pumpernickel> No, the refresh is handled by horizsync and vertrefresh.
[01:08] <Pumpernickel> You can just ignore the metamodes line.
[01:09] <alnokta> Pumpernickel: this is my current file http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16688/
[01:17] <Pumpernickel> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16691/
[01:17] <Pumpernickel> That might work.
[01:25] <atarinox> are there any good terminal text editors installed in xubuntu by default?
[01:25] <Arkh> nano & vim?
[01:25] <atarinox> ok, thanks
[02:00] <tropicana> !xorg
[02:00] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[02:00] <tropicana> !grub
[02:00] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[02:16] <Veld> Hi. Can anyone help me with something? I have two HDDs. Whenever I install Ubuntu or Xubuntu into my secondary (slave) and choose to put GRUB on the primary, after reboot I get the "Can't load GRUB. Error 21" or something like that.
[02:17] <Veld> thus not being able to but any of the OSs (I have Windows on the primary HD)
[02:17] <Veld> but > boot *
[02:18] <j1mc> hi Veld have you searched on google for this at all?
[02:18] <j1mc> i don't mean to just send you away, but . . . it will probably have your answer
[02:18] <Pumpernickel> http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Stage2-errors
[02:18] <Veld> I have on the ubuntu and xubuntu wiki s:
[02:19] <j1mc> a lot depends on how you set up your hard drives.
[02:19] <Pumpernickel> Error 21 is basically 'disk not found'.
[02:27] <Veld> I see.
[03:41] <mooniker> Fresh install, whenever synaptic used, I get at the end: "E: xubuntu-artwork-usplash: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status  1" Anyone know I can resolve this?
[03:59] <jrsims> hey, do I get beryl with xubuntu?>
[04:00] <jrsims> feisty?
[04:04] <s|k> I just upgraded to feisty
[04:04] <s|k> which was really painless and nice
[04:04] <s|k> but besides a new login splash and some icon makeovers
[04:04] <s|k> I don't notice a bit of difference
[04:05] <asch246> 
[04:17] <_Codeman_> Grub: Error 21... it worked just fine 3 days ago??
[04:20] <cellofellow> I have had absolutely no luck finding a desktop blog client that works with Blogger 2. BloGTK doesn't even pretend to, and Drivel says it can but doesn't. I can retrieve but not post.
[04:20] <cellofellow> And Drivel has no documentation whatsoever.
[04:35] <_Codeman_> Hello??
[04:37] <_Codeman_> any one here... I could use some help, please?
[05:04] <onodevo> ask a question, maybe somebody that lurks will answer
[05:05] <_Codeman_> I have
[05:12] <onodevo> have you upgraded anything that would have caused the error?
[05:12] <_Codeman_> no, but I reinstalled just now and it didn't fix it either
[05:13] <onodevo> 21 : "Unknown boot failure"
[05:13] <onodevo> This error is returned if the boot attempt did not succeed for reasons which are unknown.
[05:13] <onodevo> possible hardware failure, try a live cd to boot
[05:14] <_Codeman_> The install was from a live cd
[05:17] <ardya> hi
[05:18] <onodevo> so you are unable to startup the system?
[05:19] <ardya> couple of questions, is xorg fixed in feisty (the ctrl+alt+ +/- not working bug), and are there any issues with dist-upgrade from edgy to feisty?
[05:19] <_Codeman_> correct... but I can use the install disk (alternative disk) to boot live cd and install
[05:22] <diego_cl> anybody knows any linux-native stand-alone aplication to see power point files ??
[05:23] <onodevo> diego_cl: a viewer and not an editor?
[05:23] <diego_cl> or a editor
[05:24] <onodevo> openoffice.org can edit and view powerpoint
[05:24] <diego_cl> but then i have to install the whole suite, am I wrong?
[05:25] <onodevo> yea
[05:25] <_Codeman_> but it's good software
[05:25] <onodevo> I understand what you mean by standalone now
[05:26] <diego_cl> im using an old computer and i only have few disc space
[05:29] <onodevo> I'm not sure of anything other than openoffice.org
[05:38] <vimalg2> how is Xubuntu feisty different from Xubuntu Edgy? Does it include the famous network manager?
[05:40] <ardya> couple of questions, is xorg fixed in feisty (the ctrl+alt+ +/- not working bug), and are there any issues with dist-upgrade from edgy to feisty?
[05:46] <jshreffl> hello?
[05:47] <jshreffl> Is anything like Beagle on Xubuntu? Only with less overhead
[05:56] <Blazeix> Hi, When I was running xubuntu 6.10, whenever I plugged in a usb drive it would appear on the desktop. Now, in 7.04, all partitions show up on the desktop. Is there a way to set it so only usb devices show up on the desktop?
[05:58] <ardya> how did you upgrade?
[05:58] <Howdy125> Blazeix, desktop settings .. behavior .. is maybe where you need to look .. will have to logut and back in for them to take effect.
[06:00] <Blazeix> Howdy125: Unfortunately, I've already tried that. When it's checked, it shows all partitions, and when it's unchecked, it predictably doesn't show anything.
[06:01] <Blazeix> the option 'File System' is not checked, btw
[06:02] <ardya> Blazeix: how did you upgrade?
[06:02] <Howdy125> Blazeix, yeah .. I had to check them all then logout and back in then sellect the ones I really wanted .. logout and back in for them to take effect ...
[06:02] <Blazeix> from 6.10? clean format and install. I installed the beta a few weeks ago, and then i've been apt-get upgrading since then.
[06:03] <ardya> oh, not via dist-upgrade?
[06:04] <Blazeix> Howdy125: O.K. I've been unchecking 'Allow Xfce to manage the desktop' and then rechecking it. That seems to reset it and reapply the options. I'll restart X just to make sure.
[06:04] <Howdy125> Blazeix, gl
[06:04] <Blazeix> ardya: I've been updating generally, occasionally i dist-upgrade when I notice that a package is being held back
[06:05] <ardya> I'm curious if there's any issues dit-upgrading from edgy to feisty
[06:05] <ardya> and if xorg is fixed
[06:06] <B1zz> I am trying to install vmware server on my box, at first i tried to install it from an rpm converted to a .deb file, but i think it failed, now when i try to follow a guide on installing it i get the following error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16723/  Any i ideas how i can get rid of this problem?
[06:08] <Howdy125> blizz, you tried dpkg -r name
[06:08] <B1zz> i have not
[06:09] <Howdy125> See if that gets you anywhere B1zz
[06:10] <B1zz> trying that now
[06:13] <B1zz> will i have to reboot? cuz not its telling me a previous installation has been detected, and it fails, i also did a purge,
[06:13] <Howdy125> Off to see what TV has to offer .. cya folks.
[06:14] <B1zz> bye thanks for the help
[06:32] <mdib> I was in the middle of the upgrade this pm when the power went out for the entire neighbourhood, now I get failed upgrade when I use the upgrade manager. Is it simply that the server is busy or is something messed up?
[06:46] <coldsteal> hello
[06:47] <coldsteal> what does xubuntu's xfce use to display the network statas in the "sys tray"
[06:47] <coldsteal> also the wether addon
[06:49] <B1zz> i was having issues with the servers yesterday as well you could try changing the defualt repo server it goes too
[06:50] <coldsteal> thats because ppl are killing the servers
[06:50] <B1zz> as for you coldsteal, you can click on the panels on either top or bottom , and add a new item, and you should see both in there
[06:50] <coldsteal> for the new ubuntu release
[06:50] <coldsteal> B1zz: i mean what is used
[06:51] <coldsteal> i want to add it to my debian system's xfce
[06:57] <coldsteal> xfce4-wavelan-plugin
[06:57] <coldsteal> got it
[08:48] <pwabbie> hi guys, i have a pc running xubuntu that acts as a gateway machine for my home netwerk. I would like to have a small dns server running on it that caches dns name lookups. Can anybody suggest some software for me?
[08:58] <rici> pwabbie: http://cr.yp.to/djbdns.html
[08:58] <rici> is what i use, although not on xubuntu (which is a desktop)
[09:42] <joycetick> Anybody willing to help troubleshoot my wireless network?
[09:50] <Merchelo> !wifi
[09:50] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:51] <hyper_ch> Merchelo: he left already
[09:52] <Merchelo> aww
[09:59] <fijam> hello
[10:00] <fijam> update to feisty just failed on me
[10:00] <Merchelo> how so?
[10:00] <fijam> I do not know if it's a known issue
[10:00] <fijam> the update manager just terminated in the middle of unpacking and preconfiguring packages
[10:00] <fijam> with no error message of any kind
[10:01] <fijam> plus, I was unable to start it again
[10:01] <fijam> it dumps core with an error regarding lack of pygtk
[10:02] <fijam> now I am upgrading in the manual way, but I presume that some less experienced users may freak out on something like that :)
[10:20] <frandavid100> hi! good morning
[10:21] <frandavid100> I'm having some trouble mounting my hard drive, can you give me a hand?
[10:22] <frandavid100> I'm on the live cd and clicked the icon for the drive, but got this message - mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc1. missing codepage or other error - in some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmseg | tail or so
[10:23] <frandavid100> might be a hardware problem, since the drive stopped working after plugging a video card
[10:23] <frandavid100> is there any way to retrieve my data?
[10:25] <frandavid100> this is what dmesg says - EXT3-fs: fragsize 4096 != blocksize 1024 (unsupported)
[10:25] <frandavid100> any way to repair it?
[10:27] <fijam> try pumount /dev/hdc1 && pmount /dev/hdc1
[10:33] <frandavid100> I get - error: device /dev/hdc1 is not mounted
[10:34] <fijam> and just pmount /dev/hdc1 ?
[10:35] <frandavid100> error: device /dev/hdc1 is not removable
[10:36] <fijam> What kind of disk is it? a regular hard drive or some kinf of removable one?
[10:36] <frandavid100> no, regular one
[10:38] <frandavid100> It worked fine until last night - plugged a new graphical card and tried to reboot, got an X error, plugged the old one again and it wouldn't boot anymore
[10:38] <frandavid100> and now it won't even mount
[10:38] <fijam> It's hard to tell anything, the problem may be as well easy as complex
[10:40] <frandavid100> what would you recommend me to do? I guess I can't reinstall feisty on top of the one I have unless I format, right?
[10:42] <frandavid100> when I try to access it through thunar, I get: couldn't mount, mount point could not be determined
[10:42] <frandavid100> maybe specifying a different mount point?
[10:43] <fijam> well, you can but I do not know if this will do much good. You may want to search for documentation for fsck, hdparm, fstab,  and such and see what information about your drive you can get and check if it works correctly
[10:44] <fijam> Your case is rather individual, I won't be able to just guide you through that
[10:44] <frandavid100> Hm
[10:44] <frandavid100> I think I'm gonna search for any hardware problems first... guess it must be the hardware
[10:45] <frandavid100> thanks for your heljp fijam!
[10:45] <frandavid100> later!
[10:45] <fijam> you may try to mount it manually with 'mount' to a different mount point
[10:45] <fijam> good luck
[10:45] <frandavid100> ;)
[10:45] <test3r> hi im running on 606 again because i try twice to burn 704, and the alt and the desktop versions misburnt. the MD5 checked OK too, and Nero verified post-burn.
[10:45] <test3r> maybe its a string of bad blank CDs  =(
[10:46] <fijam> I have no idea, I have been just upgrading
[10:46] <test3r> also, the gForce legacy drivers are broke post 606 as far as i can tell
[10:46] <test3r> because I just got direct rendering back on again
[10:47] <fijam> well, the update manager itself failed on me :). I am reconfiguring everything manually now.
[10:47] <test3r> i had that happen to me too
[10:47] <test3r> then nex t time i tried it it worked. on Ubuntu 704
[10:48] <test3r> but then I couldnt setup legacy still
[10:48] <fijam> Next time I tried to run it it segfaulted :D
[10:48] <test3r> so im back to xubuntu 606  ;p
[10:48] <test3r> is that the "cant get critial hold" eror or whatnot
[10:48] <fijam> no idea
[10:49] <test3r> "exclusive lock" thats it
[10:49] <fijam> ah, you might have tried to run i.e synaptic and apt-get simultanously
[10:50] <test3r> thats what they said but i only tried to apt-get install AFTER i got that error
[10:50] <test3r> then apt-get install synaptic failed out too
[10:51] <test3r> i hope i get xubuntu704 to burn tomarrow
[10:53] <test3r> whelps gnite
[11:09] <hyper_ch> hiho
[11:09] <fijam> hello
[11:09] <coldsteal> hi
[11:09] <hyper_ch> so many people here at this time :)
[11:10] <fijam> most of 'em struggling with feisty I guess :)
[11:10] <coldsteal> ya but most of them r sleeping
[11:10] <hyper_ch> coldsteal: I mean actively
[11:10] <coldsteal> lol ya
[11:10] <hyper_ch> there's 4 ppl right now :) that's many :)
[11:10] <coldsteal> i guess
[11:11] <hyper_ch> coldsteal: you're good with awk?
[11:11] <coldsteal> nope
[11:11] <coldsteal> lol
[11:11] <coldsteal> whay what r u trying
[11:11] <Merchelo> i'm here as well.
[11:11] <hyper_ch> Merchelo: hiho
[11:11] <hyper_ch> coldsteal: to parse the output of df -l and add the diskcapacities together
[11:12] <hyper_ch> the sysinfo script should parse it but it is not
[11:12] <coldsteal> hey -l
[11:12] <coldsteal> why not -h
[11:12] <hyper_ch> Sysinfo for 'xubi': Linux 2.6.20-15-generic running xfce4-session 4.4.0 (Xfce 4.4.0), CPU: AMDSempron2400+ at 1683 MHz (3371 bogomips), , RAM: 997/1010MB, 143 proc's, 2.18d up
[11:13] <hyper_ch> see, before the RAM it's blank
[11:13] <coldsteal> let me see ur script
[11:14] <hyper_ch> it's not mine... it's a konversation script.... I modified it to display Xfce version instead of KDE :)
[11:14] <coldsteal> well let me see what u have
[11:14] <coldsteal> http://rafb.net/paste/
[11:14] <hyper_ch> coldsteal: http://phpfi.com/228589
[11:18] <coldsteal> that doent evan work for me
[11:18] <coldsteal> is that ur whole script?
[11:20] <hyper_ch> coldsteal: no, it's not :)
[11:20] <hyper_ch> I'll pate the whole thing
[11:22] <hyper_ch> coldsteal: here's the whole script   http://phpfi.com/228594
[11:24] <coldsteal> okay ill have a look
[11:24] <coldsteal> lol im not good with awk be sometime u just need anouther pair of eyes to look over code
[11:24] <hyper_ch> coldsteal: I haven't use awk at all
[11:25] <hyper_ch> and I still try to "improve" the xfce portion
[11:25] <hyper_ch> replacing this (with sed) xfce4-session 4.4.0 (Xfce 4.4.0) by this: Xfce 4.4.0
[11:27] <coldsteal> hyper_ch: i get errors if i run it
[11:27] <hyper_ch> coldsteal: well, it's a konversation script :)
[11:29] <coldsteal> ./xfce-sh.sh
[11:29] <coldsteal> bash: ./xfce-sh.sh: /bin/bash^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
[11:32] <coldsteal> hyper_ch: try #awk or #bash
[11:35] <rand> isn't a ^M indicate that it's a DOS format text file?
[11:35] <rand> ^M = Carriage Return <CR>
[11:36] <rand> yeah, ascii 13 decimal
[11:36] <rand> try "dos2unix xfce-sh.sh" ?
[11:36] <coldsteal> hyper_ch:   use+=$3/1024;
[11:36] <coldsteal>   tot+=$2/1024;
[11:37] <coldsteal> okay rand
[11:37] <hyper_ch> I found the problem
[11:37] <coldsteal> what is it?
[11:37] <rand> yeah? :)
[11:38] <coldsteal> im install dos2unix
[11:38] <coldsteal> rand: ^
[11:38] <coldsteal> hyper_ch: what was the problem
[11:38] <hyper_ch> the awk installed doesn't support the "**" operator
[11:38] <coldsteal> mine eather
[11:39] <coldsteal> hyper_ch: u can try bc for that part
[11:39] <hyper_ch> or use /1024/1024
[11:39] <hyper_ch> that works
[11:39] <coldsteal> ok
[11:39] <hyper_ch> instead of making 1024**2
[11:40] <coldsteal> hyper_ch: is it done?
[11:42] <hyper_ch> coldsteal: problem solved :)
[11:43] <hyper_ch> feistys version of mawk does not support the "**" but in edgy it works
[11:43] <hyper_ch> if gawk is additioanlly installed the diskspace is shwon even with **
[11:43] <hyper_ch> Sysinfo for 'xubi': Linux 2.6.20-15-generic running xfce4-session 4.4.0 (Xfce 4.4.0), CPU: AMD Sempron 2400+ at 1683 MHz (3371 bogomips), HD: 311/897GB, RAM: 998/1010MB, 142 proc's, 2.18d up
[11:44] <coldsteal> so its   tot+=$2/1024/1024;
[11:45] <coldsteal> or
[11:45] <coldsteal> tot+=1024/1024;
[11:45] <hyper_ch> the 1024**2 means actually -->   1024 squared
[11:46] <hyper_ch> so you can either replace $2/2024**2 by $2/1024/1024  or you install gawk
[11:46] <coldsteal>  HD: 1/13GB,
[11:46] <rand> or, $2/(1024*1024)
[11:46] <coldsteal> is that the output ur shooting for
[11:47] <hyper_ch> coldsteal: yeah, that works
[11:47] <hyper_ch> but I installed now gawk so that works also
[11:47] <hyper_ch> so, now how to sed "out" the Xfce 4.4.0 from xfce4-session 4.4.. (Xfce 4.4.0) ^^
[11:48] <coldsteal> what do u want out of it the xfce4-seasion
[11:48] <hyper_ch> no, I want the Xfce 4.4.0
[11:49] <coldsteal> o so u want the ()
[11:50] <hyper_ch> coldsteal: yes
[11:53] <coldsteal> hyper_ch: got it
[11:53] <coldsteal> xfce4-session --version | sed -n '1p' | awk '{print $3$4}'|sed -e 's:(::' -e 's:)::'
[11:53] <hyper_ch> coldsteal: I'll try it
[11:53] <coldsteal> xfce4-session --version | sed -n '1p' | awk '{print $3" "$4}'|sed -e 's:(::' -e 's:)::'
[11:54] <coldsteal> it works perfext for me
[11:55] <hyper_ch> yeppa
[11:55] <rand> fun
[11:55] <hyper_ch> just wanted to say about the " " also :)
[11:56] <coldsteal> hey hyper_ch so whats the point of this script
[11:56] <coldsteal> do u put it in ur doc or somthing
[11:56] <hyper_ch> Sysinfo for 'xubi': Linux 2.6.20-15-generic running xfce4-session 4.4.0 (Xfce 4.4.0), CPU: AMDSempron2400+ at 1683 MHz (3371 bogomips), , RAM: 976/1010MB, 147 proc's, 2.19d up
[11:56] <hyper_ch> that's the point of that script :)
[11:56] <coldsteal> lol
[11:56] <coldsteal> but why kde or xfce spacific
[11:57] <hyper_ch> coldsteal: I run xfce
[11:57] <hyper_ch> but the original script displays kde since I use konversation :)
[11:57] <hyper_ch> that's why
[11:57] <coldsteal> ik but what does the script care
[11:57] <hyper_ch> coldsteal: what do you mean?
[11:58] <hyper_ch> Sysinfo for 'xubi': Linux 2.6.20-15-generic running Xfce4.4.0, CPU: AMDSempron2400+ at 1683 MHz (3371 bogomips), , RAM: 996/1010MB, 148 proc's, 2.19d up
[11:59] <hyper_ch> Sysinfo for 'xubi': Linux 2.6.20-15-generic running Xfce 4.4.0, CPU: AMDSempron2400+ at 1683 MHz (3371 bogomips), , RAM: 997/1010MB, 148 proc's, 2.19d up
[11:59] <kma> HALP! :D
[12:00] <hyper_ch> halp?
[12:00] <kma> same as help :)
[12:00] <kma> I got some encoding issues with the terminal :\
[12:00] <hyper_ch> Sysinfo for 'xubi': Linux 2.6.20-15-generic running Xfce 4.4.0, CPU: AMDSempron2400+ at 1683 MHz (3371 bogomips), HD: 311/897GB, RAM: 997/1010MB, 146 proc's, 2.19d up
[12:00] <coldsteal> Sysinfo for 'vfat': Linux 2.6.18-4-686 running Xfce4.3.99.2, CPU: PentiumIII(Coppermine) at 695 MHz (1392 bogomips), HD: 1/13GB, RAM: 244/249MB, 76 proc's, 3.10d up
[12:01] <hyper_ch> kma: what are you trying to do
[12:01] <hyper_ch> coldsteal: works perfectly now :)
[12:01] <coldsteal> whats  konversation
[12:02] <kma> hyper_ch: well, I connect to my server that runs a screen with irrsi.. the problem is that my swedish letters are screwed
[12:02] <coldsteal> lol
[12:02] <kma> declare -x LANG="C"
[12:02] <kma> wtf?
[12:02] <hyper_ch> coldsteal: konversation is a KDE irc client... the one I am using :)
[12:02] <coldsteal> thats cuz there swedish
[12:03] <coldsteal> kma: so its an irssi thing?
[12:03] <kma> coldsteal: perhaps :)
[12:03] <kma> coldsteal: in edgy I just ran "luit ssh myserver.com" and the translated the thing just fine
[12:04] <coldsteal> kma: so what u in now?
[12:04] <coldsteal> fes*
[12:04] <coldsteal> idk whats its called
[12:04] <coldsteal> lol i dont use ubuntu
[12:04] <kma> coldsteal: fiesty :) xubuntu
[12:05] <coldsteal> so luit isnt woking fine?
[12:05] <kma> nope
[12:05] <coldsteal> kma: im going to make this script into a php script
[12:05] <kma> coldsteal: ?
[12:06] <coldsteal> idk
[12:06] <kma> idk?
[12:06] <coldsteal> i dont know
[12:06] <kma> oh
[12:08] <coldsteal> kma: try ##linux
[12:08] <coldsteal> lol dont tell them ur using *ubuntu
[12:09] <kma> the Terminal application uses UTF8 right?
[12:10] <coldsteal> i have no idea
[12:10] <coldsteal> u can check the term settings also
[12:12] <frandavid100> hiya guys
[12:13] <coldsteal> hi
[12:13] <frandavid100> I'd like to make a separate partition for /home, but my HD is only 4gb
[12:13] <coldsteal> lol okay
[12:13] <hyper_ch> frandavid100: 4gb... hmmm
[12:13] <frandavid100> what would be the sanest space to give to / and /home?
[12:13] <hyper_ch> frandavid100: how much ram?
[12:13] <hyper_ch> frandavid100: what cpu?
[12:14] <frandavid100> not sure... old one. It's not my pc, so I don't know it very well
[12:15] <hyper_ch> frandavid100: open a terminal and enter  "top"
[12:15] <hyper_ch> ok, you have nothing installed yet, right?
[12:15] <ceil420> hey, just out of curiousity...
[12:15] <ceil420> does that lil mouse have a name?
[12:15] <ceil420> ^^
[12:15] <frandavid100> nope, I'm on the livecd
[12:15] <hyper_ch> ceil420: hmmm....
[12:15] <hyper_ch> frandavid100: well, open a terminal and enter "top"
[12:15] <hyper_ch> it should return the ram
[12:15] <ceil420> i've just been calling the Xfce mouse "Rodent" lol
[12:16] <hyper_ch> ceil420: good question :)
[12:16] <hyper_ch> ceil420: did you try the xfce site?
[12:16] <frandavid100> by the way, the panel didn't appear, which is weird... do you know how I can make it show up?
[12:16] <ceil420> tryin' #xfce atm :p
[12:16] <hyper_ch> ^^
[12:16] <hyper_ch> !xfce
[12:16] <ubotu> xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome. For more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". | For support, see #xubuntu | See also: !ubuntu and !xubuntu-channels
[12:17] <coldsteal> hyper_ch: hey evan better xfce4-session --version |sed -e 's:.*(\(.*\)).*:\1:'|sed -n '1p'
[12:17] <hyper_ch> coldsteal: why is that better?
[12:18] <coldsteal> it is
[12:18] <coldsteal> its shorter
[12:18] <coldsteal> anything shorter in coding is better
[12:18] <kma> erh.. anyone running an english installation of xubuntu? what is your LANG environment variable set to?
[12:18] <coldsteal> more efecient
[12:18] <kpel> hi all
[12:18] <frandavid100> hyper_ch: top doesn't say much about my cpu; it just says how much of it is used
[12:18] <hyper_ch> coldsteal: efficiency isn't the only important aspect of programming
[12:18] <hyper_ch> frandavid100: how much ram?
 ceil420, nope
 though Xerry has been suggested
[12:19] <ceil420> :p
[12:19] <frandavid100> 320 mb
[12:19] <hyper_ch> frandavid100: hmm, although it's a good thing to have a seperate home with just a 4gb drive I would advice against it
[12:20] <coldsteal> hyper_ch: xfce4-session --version | sed '1 { s/.*(\(.*\)).*/\1/; q}'
[12:20] <coldsteal> thats it
[12:20] <frandavid100> any practical reason, beyond having limited storage?
[12:21] <hyper_ch> frandavid100: if you had more than lets say 15 GB then I would make a seperate home
[12:21] <frandavid100> see, it's for my girlfriend and she doesn't store movies or anything... Id rather have her few files protected
[12:21] <kpel> i upgraded to feisty and the ca-certificates package is broken and breaks other packages too (curl, openoffice). is there any fix/workaround?
[12:21] <hyper_ch> coldsteal: can you teach me regex ^^
[12:21] <coldsteal> hyper_ch: lol i dont know it
[12:21] <coldsteal> just like i dont know awk
[12:21] <frandavid100> I already trashed her data today and she's gonna kick my ass when she finds out :S
[12:21] <hyper_ch> coldsteal: yeah sure... xfce4-session --version | sed '1 { s/.*(\(.*\)).*/\1/; q}'   that very much looks like regex
[12:22] <coldsteal> frandavid100: rm -fr /
[12:22] <grazie> hyper_ch: re:regex....how much time you got?
[12:22] <coldsteal> that clears things up
[12:22] <hyper_ch> frandavid100: well, Ubuntu requires already 1.5 GB and then you should have at least 500 mb swap.... and then you need additional space if you want to install further programs and stuff
[12:22] <frandavid100> I'm not gonna install much stuff
[12:22] <hyper_ch> splitting up the 4gb drive will just make either very limited /home partition or limit you on the system
[12:23] <coldsteal> frandavid100: screw that
[12:23] <frandavid100> last-exit, bmp and maybe a couple more programs
[12:23] <hyper_ch> frandavid100: I'd say you'll need at least 2.5 gb of root
[12:23] <coldsteal> do a netinstall of debian or ubuntu
[12:23] <grazie> frandavid100: I think hyper_ch was advising against a separate /home due to your limited disk size, but in principal it is still a very good idea
[12:23] <frandavid100> yup that was my bet
[12:23] <hyper_ch> leaving you then maybe with 1gb /home
[12:23] <hyper_ch> frandavid100: or you could use damnsmalllinux
[12:23] <hyper_ch> that uses much less space
[12:23] <coldsteal> na screw that also
[12:23] <hyper_ch> I have it on my usb stick
[12:24] <coldsteal> get gentoo
[12:24] <hyper_ch> grazie: time to learn regex... hmm  15min?
[12:24] <frandavid100> so, that would make: 2.5 / 0.5 swap 1 /home
[12:24] <frandavid100> right?
[12:24] <coldsteal> grazie: u know regex?
[12:24] <grazie> frandavid100: I tend to you a 1gb /home for every distro and a large data partition as well
[12:24] <grazie> hyper_ch: 15 years?
[12:24] <hyper_ch> grazie: ok, 2h?
[12:24] <hyper_ch> ;)
[12:25] <grazie> not enough time :(
[12:25] <grazie> coldsteal: use to...rusty now
[12:25] <hyper_ch> too bad
[12:25] <coldsteal> hyper_ch: xfce4-session --version | sed '1 s/.*(\(.*\)).*/\1/; q'
[12:25] <coldsteal> there
[12:25] <coldsteal> done
[12:26] <coldsteal> thats as small as its getting
[12:26] <hyper_ch> frandavid100: well, yes, that's what I would tend to
[12:26] <hyper_ch> thx coldsteal
[12:28] <frandavid100> hyper_ch: thaks for the dsl idea. But I'd like to use a distro as similar to ubuntu as possible
[12:28] <hyper_ch> frandavid100: hmm, there's another inofficial leightweight ubuntu distro
[12:28] <frandavid100> really? what's that?
[12:29] <hyper_ch> fluxbuntu... ubuntu with fluxbox
[12:30] <frandavid100> no way! I'm only used to gnome... telling her how xfce is supposed to work, on the phone, is bad enough!
[12:31] <hyper_ch> frandavid100: ok :)
[12:31] <hyper_ch> well, then good luck with xfce
[12:31] <frandavid100> would love it if I had some time to learn how fluxbox, tho
[12:31] <hyper_ch> frandavid100: you habe have cable or dsl?
[12:31] <frandavid100> dsl
[12:32] <hyper_ch> well, then you could also setup a vnc so if she has problems you can log yourself in
[12:32] <hyper_ch> then you can "see and show" yourself
[12:32] <hyper_ch> that's how I handle the KDE of my mom
[12:32] <frandavid100> hm... that would be an option, yeah
[12:32] <frandavid100> never tried it, actually
[12:33] <coldsteal> hyper_ch: i made it display cooler
[12:33] <hyper_ch> or you could additionally install xubuntu-desktop to yourse
[12:33] <hyper_ch> coldsteal:  what did you do now?
[12:33] <frandavid100> but can you do that if they're not in the same lan?
[12:33] <coldsteal> lol
[12:33] <coldsteal> just a sec ill past it
[12:33] <hyper_ch> frandavid100: well, has she access to a router?
[12:33] <hyper_ch> frandavid100: I mean the router of her lan?
[12:34] <frandavid100> er... yeah, but I don't think she would know what to do with it
[12:34] <frandavid100> she's computer illiterate
[12:34] <coldsteal> xfce4-session --version | sed '1 s:.*(\(.*\)).*:\1:; q'
[12:35] <hyper_ch> well, how many people are using the lan there?
[12:35] <coldsteal> oops
[12:35] <coldsteal> http://tmp.vfat.org/xfce-sh.txt
[12:35] <hyper_ch> frandavid100: I just setup the router of my mom that different ports get directed to different computers (I have given them fix ips in the lan)
[12:36] <coldsteal> hyper_ch: screw vnc
[12:36] <frandavid100> I'll look into that, it's definitely a good idea
[12:36] <coldsteal> all u need is ssh
[12:37] <coldsteal> the only reason i have a gui in linux is because i need firefox/opera and vlc/mplayer
[12:37] <coldsteal> everything else im in a terminal for
[12:38] <hyper_ch> coldsteal: it's for his gf :)
[12:38] <coldsteal> so
[12:38] <frandavid100> yup
[12:38] <coldsteal> my sister and fg have linux
[12:38] <coldsteal> and im always fixing there stuff
[12:38] <coldsteal> lol
[12:38] <hyper_ch> coldsteal: how about giving them a gui instead ^^
[12:38] <hyper_ch> Sysinfo for 'xubi':\n Linux 2.6.20-15-generic running Xfce 4.4.0\n CPU: AMDSempron2400+ at 1683 MHz (3371 bogomips)\n HD: 311/897GB\n RAM: 997/1010MB\n 145 proc's\n 2.19d uptime
[12:38] <hyper_ch> coldsteal: that's now your version
[12:38] <hyper_ch> the  \n aren't nice
[12:38] <frandavid100> gui is fine with me... though it's true that the commandline can be more practical
[12:39] <hyper_ch>  Sysinfo for 'xubi': Linux 2.6.20-15-generic running Xfce 4.4.0, CPU: AMDSempron2400+ at 1683 MHz (3371 bogomips), HD: 311/897GB, RAM: 997/1010MB, 145 proc's, 2.19d up
[12:39] <coldsteal> frandavid100: acrually if u want to go the vnc route go with freenx
[12:39] <coldsteal> hyper_ch: the output is diff
[12:39] <hyper_ch> coldsteal: and it's not got do have line breaks
[12:39] <coldsteal> freenx is allot faster
[12:39] <hyper_ch> as this would be "flooding"
[12:40] <coldsteal> hyper_ch: ik but i like it that way for personal use
[12:40] <hyper_ch> :)
[12:40] <frandavid100> I'll
[12:40] <coldsteal> and tunnled over ssh
[12:40] <hyper_ch> Sysinfo for 'xubi': Linux 2.6.20-15-generic running Xfce 4.4.0, CPU: AMDSempron2400+ at 1683 MHz (3371 bogomips), HD: 311/897GB, RAM: 996/1010MB, 147 proc's, 2.19d up
[12:40] <frandavid100> investigate how to use vnc and freenx as soon as the system is installed... right now this thing is sluggish
[12:40] <coldsteal> it still gives u a gui tho
[12:41] <coldsteal> frandavid100: i wouldnt go with *ubuntu
[12:41] <coldsteal> its to slow for older systems
[12:41] <coldsteal> what are ur system stats?
[12:41] <frandavid100> no, xubuntu is fine with her pc
[12:42] <coldsteal> still i would build up the system
[12:42] <frandavid100> used to work fine and I just installed some more ram and a better video card, so there should be no problem
[12:42] <coldsteal> u can get a netinstall
[12:42] <kma> erh.. locale.. how do I change it? :)
[12:42] <frandavid100> killed the gard drive in the process, too, so I hope reinstalling will get it fixed :(
[12:43] <grazie> !locale | kma
[12:43] <ubotu> kma: To set up and configure your locales, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LocaleConf
[12:44] <frandavid100> see you now guys, gonna do some work while this thing installs
[12:44] <frandavid100> thanks for the help, really :)
[12:50] <Catoptromancy> hmmm
[12:50] <Catoptromancy> desktop.iso for 7.04 wont load
[12:50] <Catoptromancy> bios has cd/dvd as first priority
[12:53] <hyper_ch> Catoptromancy: did you burn it as CD-Image?
[12:53] <Catoptromancy> ya
[12:53] <Catoptromancy> same way as edgy
[12:53] <Catoptromancy> probably corrupted the 5 hour download
[12:54] <Catoptromancy> better installing edgy and updating
[12:54] <grazie> Catoptromancy: did you md5sum check the iso?
[12:54] <hyper_ch> http://youtube.com/watch?v=xC5uEe5OzNQ
[12:54] <Catoptromancy> edgy cd works fine
[12:54] <coldsteal> can someone do !help
[12:54] <coldsteal> !help
[12:54] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[12:54] <hyper_ch> !help
[12:55] <hyper_ch> [12:54]  <coldsteal> My Commands Are: !email, !webpage, !hug, !day, !date, !time, !tempcon C #, !tempcon F #, weighcon kg #, weightcon lb #, !lengthcon in #, !lengthcon cm # !weather zipcode (or country,city), !temp zipcode (or country,city), !country us (or any internet country code) !8-ball question?
[12:55] <grazie> Catoptromancy: a clean install is better if you can
[12:55] <kpel> shouldn't be though
[12:55] <Catoptromancy> oh well
[12:55] <grazie> but it is...
[12:56] <grazie> Catoptromancy: did you md5sum check the iso?
[12:56] <coldsteal> thanks hyper_ch
[12:56] <Catoptromancy> how do i do that
[12:56] <kpel> probably yes. at least judging from the fact that the ca-certificates package cannot be install after my upgrade and breaks so many other packages
[12:56] <grazie> !md5sum | Catoptromancy
[12:56] <ubotu> Catoptromancy: To verify the integrity of a download, use the md5sum - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM for more
[12:56] <coldsteal> !help
[12:56] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[12:57] <coldsteal> lol it doesnt work for me
[12:57] <grazie> coldsteal: what you up to?
[12:57] <Catoptromancy> hmmm i dont have linux on HD yet
[12:57] <coldsteal> trying to make an irssi bot
[12:57] <Catoptromancy> i just reformatted everything
[12:57] <coldsteal> but i dont know perl
[12:57] <hyper_ch> Catoptromancy: put the ubuntu cd in your cd drive in windows... what is its content?
[12:57] <Catoptromancy> invaild/
[12:57] <Catoptromancy> disc ir broken
[12:58] <hyper_ch> Catoptromancy: ????
[12:58] <grazie> Catoptromancy: you can get md5sum util for windows too
[12:58] <Catoptromancy> probabyl
[12:59] <grazie> Catoptromancy: do you now rsync?.....will save doing a complete download again
[12:59] <Catoptromancy> i dont have linux
[12:59] <coldsteal> !weather 53204
[12:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about weather 53204 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:59] <Catoptromancy> i was setting up a duel boot,
[01:00] <coldsteal> can u guys try the weather cmd
[01:00] <Catoptromancy> im on a laptop right now till i get everything setup on my main pc
[01:00] <Catoptromancy> I found md5sum tool
[01:00] <grazie> Catoptromancy: not using desktop (live) cd?
[01:00] <Catoptromancy> yes
[01:00] <grazie> Catoptromancy: then you have linux :)
[01:00] <coldsteal>  !weather ur zip
[01:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about weather ur zip - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:00] <Catoptromancy> well not on PC heh
[01:02] <hyper_ch> Catoptromancy: I don't understand where the problem is
[01:03] <Catoptromancy> bad .iso
[01:03] <Catoptromancy> my crappy connection
[01:03] <Catoptromancy> md5 dumps alot of errors
[01:03] <grazie> Catoptromancy: is iso on ntfs partition?
[01:03] <Catoptromancy> yes
[01:03] <Catoptromancy> no problem i got edgy
[01:04] <Catoptromancy> I overheat this laptop, being on so long for the big download
[01:04] <hyper_ch> Catoptromancy: hmmm, how about using bittorrent to get feisty?
[01:04] <Catoptromancy> no its ok
[01:04] <Catoptromancy> edgy is already installing
[01:05] <hyper_ch> Catoptromancy: I wouldn't upgrade... I would do a clean install
[01:06] <Catoptromancy> meh
[01:07] <grazie> Catoptromancy: if you can move the iso to a fat or linux partition and use rsync it'll save you another large download
[01:08] <hyper_ch> grazie: the power of rsync :) I love it
[01:09] <hyper_ch> grazie: http://phpfi.com/228602
[01:09] <hyper_ch> ;)
[01:13] <grazie> the only problem with rsync is that if the largest file of the data is size X you need at least 2X work space on the disk
[01:14] <hyper_ch> grazie: why?
[01:14] <hyper_ch> http://youtube.com/watch?v=xC5uEe5OzNQ
[01:15] <grazie> hyper_ch: rsync needs an input and an output copy
[01:15] <hyper_ch> :)
[01:16] <frandavid100> later!
[01:18] <xlaxis> cheers
[01:18] <xlaxis> does anyone know how to start an ssh server on xubuntu?
[01:20] <kpel> xlaxis: the easy way is from the menu. system -> services
[01:23] <hyper_ch> xlaxis: you need first to install it:  open a terminal:  sudo aptitude install openss-server
[01:23] <hyper_ch> xlaxis: then it will also be auto-started
[01:24] <hyper_ch> xlaxis: you need first to install it:  open a terminal:  sudo aptitude install openssh-server  (forgot the "h")
[01:24] <xlaxis> thanks!
[01:24] <xlaxis> you guys rock!
[01:25] <kpel> hyper_ch: are you using edgy?
[01:26] <hyper_ch> kpel: no, feisty
[01:26] <kpel> hyper_ch: clean install or upgrade?
[01:26] <hyper_ch> kpel: upgrade from herd5-->beta-->stable
[01:27] <kpel> hyper_ch: ok, probably you can help then. does the ca-certificates package work for you? can you install it without problems?
[01:27] <kpel> for some reason oo.org depends on it and after yesterday's upgrade to feisty openoffice won't install
[01:28] <hyper_ch> I don't even know what that is
[01:28] <kpel> i didn't know either but for some reason someone thought that you should have a lot of ssl certificates in order to write a letter to grandma
[01:29] <hyper_ch> if security is important then I use encryption or gpg-signing
[01:29] <kpel> indeed
[01:30] <kpel> for some reason they created that stupid dependency on certificates. a nice single point of failure for the installation of the whole openoffice suite
[01:30] <kpel> oh well, will probably have to reinstall edgy
[01:30] <kpel> thanks anyway
[01:30] <hyper_ch> kpel: why not clean install of feisty?
[01:31] <hyper_ch> do you have /home on a seperate partition?
[01:31] <kpel> yes. the thing is that i don't want to reconfigure everything. even if i take a backup of /etc i will have to copy conf files by hand
[01:31] <kpel> it will be a sort of merging
[01:32] <hyper_ch> kpel: what did you alter in /etc  ?
[01:32] <kpel> i added a couple of udev rules, a couple of scripts for my wlan interface and i don't remember what else (that's the problem) :)
[01:33] <kpel> i will probaly go through the clean install though
[01:33] <grazie> hyper_ch: most of the system config is in /etc
[01:33] <kpel> but it's a shame that the upgrade from edgy doesn't work properly
[01:34] <hyper_ch> kpel: for some it does... for others not
[01:34] <kpel> that's the problem
[01:34] <kpel> i found where the postinst script dies but i don't know what exactly is going on
[01:35] <kpel> it can't execute correctly the "db_version 2.0" statement
[01:35] <xlaxis-ssh> As you can see, it worked :)
[01:35] <kpel> woohoo
[01:49] <kma> is there any lightweight diff tool for gtk?
[01:50] <hyper_ch> kma: ???
[01:50] <kma> hyper_ch: a tool that compares two text-files
[01:50] <kma> hyper_ch: graphical merge tool :)
[01:50] <Merchelo> !botsnack
[01:50] <ubotu> Yum!
[01:50] <grazie> kma: ? can't get much light than diff
[01:50] <grazie> lighter*
[01:51] <kma> grazie: no.. but I want a gui tool
[01:51] <grazie> sorry
[01:52] <grazie> kma: geany is a nice light ide....can't remember  whether there's a diff tool
[01:52] <kma> grazie: yeah.. I'm going to try geany for development later on
[01:52] <ephemeros> hey
[01:53] <Merchelo> ho, lets go.
[01:53] <kma> geany doesn't seam to have a diff tool... could be nice as a development enviroment any how
[01:54] <ephemeros> anyone knows about a bug in Xubuntu Feisty installation, after i installed the system and few other apps i couldn't 'sudo' again?
[01:54] <Merchelo> any error?
[01:55] <ephemeros> Merchelo: /etc/sudoers permission denied
[01:55] <kma> and why is openoffice-writer installed if you install xubuntu as english? :)
[01:55] <Merchelo> it's your machine, not someone elses?
[01:55] <ephemeros> kma: yeah, but you may use meld, it's gtk and really rules
[01:56] <kma> ephemeros: yeah.. but meld requires ALOT of extra stuff. :\
[01:56] <ephemeros> Merchelo: you are asking me, right?
[01:56] <ephemeros> it is my machine, indeed
[01:56] <kma> ephemeros: alot of strange stuff aswell :\
[01:56] <ephemeros> kma: ok :D
[01:56] <kma> ephemeros: libaudiofile and stuff.. wtf? :)
[01:57] <ephemeros> kma: meld requires those??
[01:57] <ephemeros> didn't notice :\
[01:57] <kma> ephemeros: yup
[01:58] <kma> ephemeros: it requires libgnome that requires some strange stuff :)
[01:58] <grazie> ephemeros: I think I've heard about loss of sudo a couple of times now...may well be a bug...use launchpad...may be as simple as adding user back to sudoers list....unfortunately I'm just going out
[01:58] <ephemeros> kma: oh, that's np, i install the gnome libs, if not for something else, but sure for Firestarter :)
[01:59] <kma> well, I don't use any gnomes stuff :)
[01:59] <ephemeros> grazie: thanks, i'll check it out
[01:59] <ephemeros> lma: so what tool do you use for configuring the firewall, for example?
[02:00] <kma> ephemeros: none
[02:00] <ephemeros> :))
[02:00] <ephemeros> that's cool
[02:00] <ephemeros> kma: you know, i'm a purist, too,
[02:00] <kma> ephemeros: don't run a firewall in my box.. got another box that runs freebsd that stores all my data and acts as a firewall :)
[02:00] <ephemeros> people coding simply in gtk have most of my ideas,
[02:00] <coldsteal> hyper_ch: u there?
[02:01] <ephemeros> but there are chances that a software to be really superior and be Gnome/GDE
[02:01] <hyper_ch> coldsteal: sort of
[02:01] <coldsteal> hyper_ch: can u do !help
[02:01] <hyper_ch> !help
[02:01] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[02:01] <ephemeros> kma: ok
[02:01] <hyper_ch> [14:01]  <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[02:01] <hyper_ch> [14:01]  [Notice]  -coldsteal- This is my help command.  !sys !help
[02:01] <kma> ephemeros: doesn't seam to be any good gtk diff tool tho :\
[02:01] <coldsteal> hyper_ch: try !sys
[02:02] <hyper_ch> !sys
[02:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sys - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:02] <coldsteal> shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory
[02:02] <coldsteal> shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory
[02:02] <coldsteal> Sysinfo for 'vfat':
[02:02] <coldsteal>  Linux 2.6.20-ARCH
[02:02] <coldsteal>  CPU: Pentium III (Coppermine) at 730 MHz (1463 bogomips)
[02:02] <coldsteal>  HD: 2/8GB
[02:02] <coldsteal>  RAM: 215/249MB
[02:02] <coldsteal>  64 proc's
[02:02] <coldsteal>  9.15d uptime
[02:02] <ceil420> :o
[02:02] <hyper_ch> [14:01]  <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[02:02] <hyper_ch> [14:01]  [Notice]  -coldsteal- This is my help command.  !sys !help
[02:02] <coldsteal> oops
[02:02] <hyper_ch> ^^
[02:03] <ephemeros> kma: yeah
[02:03] <kma> anywhy.. I should return to get my keymap working
[02:04] <ceil420> speaking of which, what's the permanent version of "setxkbmap us -option compose:rwin"?
[02:04] <ceil420> :x
[02:09] <kma> ROAR
[02:09] <ceil420> 
[02:13] <kma> heh.. why is firefox delivered with font.FreeType2.unhinted turned on ? :)
[02:16] <jonah> hi guys having a bit of trouble, i deleted my default user to make a new one but now sudo and any admininstrative stuff not working
[02:16] <jonah> messed up somewhere
[02:16] <jonah> the new user i made can't takeover as the main one it seems
[02:17] <kpel> kma: xxdiff
[02:18] <kma> kpel: looks horrible.. but might do the trick :)
[02:18] <kpel> kma: it is horrible. the good ones cost money
[02:18] <thirdalbum> I have a question: There's a script that I want to add to my startup sequence on Edgy, so it will run before Xorg attempts to start. How might I do this?
[02:19] <thirdalbum> Thanks in advance if anyone knows :-)
[02:20] <kma> why o god why doesn't my keymap work
[02:21] <kma> hm.. rather.. why o spagetthi monster why doesn't my keymap work
[02:21] <ceil420> Thou shalt not take the great Pasta's name in vain!
[02:21] <ceil420> RAmen!
[02:21] <ceil420> :p
[02:22] <kma> :)
[02:33] <Dr_PsY> hi, where are xfce config files ?
[02:34] <Dr_PsY> in my old gentoo there was in .xfce4
[02:34] <Dr_PsY> ~/.xfce4 i mean
[02:37] <kma> ceil420: check /etc/X11/xorg.conf perhaps
[02:37] <ceil420> :o
[02:39] <kma> roar!
[02:39] <kma> that almost worked for me
[02:39] <kma> I had the correct layout.. but when I logged in it got changed :\
[02:39] <ceil420> :x
[02:40] <kma> there.. fixed that too
[02:41] <ceil420> :o think i got it (not from xorg.conf)
[02:41] <ceil420> Keyboard Preferences > Shortcuts > New theme with command "compose" keyed to "Multi_key"
[02:42] <ceil420> won't know til i restart and wipe out the changes made with setxkbmap tho, and i don't wanna do that :p
[02:42] <kma> :)
[02:46] <shawn34> whats with the site? its so damn slow
[03:05] <Pumpernickel> shawn34: A lot of people are trying to download the new release.
[03:09] <imon9> hi
[03:09] <imon9> i upgraded from edgy to feisty and scanning doesnt work anymore? anyone kows why it is broken?
[03:12] <imon9> anyone around?
[03:21] <hyper_ch> shawn34: you're using bittorrent for download?
[03:22] <shawn34> yes
[03:22] <vrkhans> hi i just install the 7.04 but my wireless internet is not working in that
[03:22] <shawn34> hyper_ch, ktorrent
[03:22] <hyper_ch> shawn34: was pretty quick for me to download
[03:22] <vrkhans> what should i do, it works fine in 6.04
[03:22] <shawn34> i know, the download is quicke
[03:22] <hyper_ch> shawn34: any *torrent
[03:22] <shawn34> quick*
[03:22] <shawn34> thats not what the problem was
[03:22] <hyper_ch> ah ok :)
[03:22] <shawn34> the actual xubuntu site is really slow
[03:23] <shawn34> took 10 minutes just to dowanlod the torrent file
[03:23] <hyper_ch> shit :)
[03:23] <shawn34> took 6 to download the actual iso
[03:23] <shawn34> lol
[03:23] <hyper_ch> anyway, gotta go to the grocery store... otherwise I have to starve on the weekend or eat fastfood
[03:29] <vrkhans> does any one know how to fix it
[03:30] <Merchelo> !wifi
[03:30] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:32] <silox> Anyone knows how to get Zyxel G-202 Wireless adapter to work in Xubuntu?
[03:33] <kel> Wazzzzup?
[03:37] <kma> hmm.. what does lanuage-pack-en-base actually contain? :\
[03:41] <Merchelo> engrish
[03:43] <kel> lol?
[03:43] <hyper_ch> holy shit
[03:43] <Merchelo> sure why not, it's saturday, you can have fun on saturdays.
[03:44] <hyper_ch> http://uk.theinquirer.net/?article=39087
[03:49] <Merchelo> hah
[04:01] <shawn34> can i do an install from a network connection? i can't seem to get a cd to burn without errors
[04:03] <Merchelo> clean installation?
[04:04] <shawn34> yea i guess
[04:04] <kma> Merchelo: what I mean.. why does it depend on openoffice?
[04:04] <shawn34> every cd i burn when i run the test md5sum fails
[04:04] <kma> Merchelo: if you install xubuntu 7.04 (english) you get openoffice writer.. but if you install it with no translations... you don't get it
[04:06] <Merchelo> i guess the language pack would contain dictionaries, and thesaurus for use with openoffice writer.
[04:07] <Merchelo> !install
[04:07] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[04:07] <hyper_ch> shawn34: you burn the cd at 1x?
[04:07] <shawn34> 8
[04:07] <shawn34> i will try again
[04:07] <shawn34> damn 6th cd
[04:08] <hyper_ch> shawn34: how about RW-CDs
[04:08] <hyper_ch> and burn it as lowspeed as possible
[04:08] <hyper_ch> and is the md5 check fo the .iso fine?
[04:08] <shawn34> yea
[04:09] <hyper_ch> shawn34: what burning software have you tried so far?
[04:09] <shawn34> k3b
[04:09] <hyper_ch> k3b should be fine
[04:10] <shawn34> my drive only support 4x
[04:10] <shawn34> burning at 4x now
[04:10] <hyper_ch> shawn34: then burn at 4x
[04:12] <shawn34> the realy problem is that I can't get any livecd's to load the desktop to allow me to install
[04:12] <shawn34> real*
[04:13] <hyper_ch> shawn34: how about the alternate cd?
[04:13] <shawn34> When i select the first option on the live cd, it says loading in the top left and just sits there
[04:13] <shawn34> thats what im trying now
[04:13] <hyper_ch> the alternate is better at installing :)
[04:13] <shawn34> the last 6cds were me trying to burn the damn alternate cd
[04:13] <hyper_ch> shawn34: you have two computers?
[04:13] <shawn34> yes
[04:13] <hyper_ch> good :)
[04:13] <shawn34> im on my main pc now
[04:13] <hyper_ch> why don't you have a cd-rw? ^^
[04:13] <shawn34> no only cdr's
[04:14] <hyper_ch> after I burnt my first 10 linux cds I got myself a couple of rws
[04:14] <hyper_ch> I tried fedora, mepis, slackware, and some others :)
[04:34] <shawn34> hyper_ch, 4x, failed cd check again
[04:34] <shawn34> wtf
[04:35] <hyper_ch> use another burner
[04:39] <Merchelo> or do you have a  usb key ?
[04:39] <Merchelo> install minimal from usb key, and use network to install from there
[04:40] <Merchelo> a suggestion of you like.
[04:41] <shawn34> Merchelo, how do i do that?
[04:42] <Merchelo> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[04:42] <hyper_ch> !install
[04:42] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[04:46] <hyper_ch> !install | shawn34
[04:46] <ubotu> shawn34: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[04:57] <The_Tito> Ca hsite un dock prvus pour xfce?
[04:58] <ardya> Fucking POS.
[05:02] <Pumpernickel> !language | ardya
[05:02] <ubotu> ardya: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[05:18] <crouton> howdy
[05:19] <grazie> hi there
[05:19] <crouton> anybody know how to disable SCSI completely when trying to boot the 7.04 desktop CD?
[05:20] <grazie> something like noscsi kernel parameter - lemme check
[05:20] <grazie> !boot
[05:20] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[05:20] <grazie> crouton: or you can check yourself ^^
[05:20] <Pumpernickel> That would essentially disable all disks, since with 2.6.20 the scsi subsystem is used for both ide, sata, and scsi.
[05:20] <crouton> ah hell
[05:21] <Pumpernickel> s/both//
[05:21] <crouton> that would explain why my SATA/SCSI-less system is looking for sdb
[05:21] <crouton> and failing miserably with exception Emask errors
[05:24] <crouton> any reports of really old cdrom's not conforming correctly with that new subsystem scheme?
[05:34] <Pumpernickel> The 'ide-legacy' boot option may work, but I can't find much documentation on it.
[05:37] <crouton> trading out the old standard cdrom for a cd-rw seems to have fixed the issue
[05:37] <crouton> i'm guessing because the cd-rw fits 'better' into the scsi subsystem
[05:40] <mooniker> "E: xubuntu-artwork-usplash: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" -- anyone know what I can do about this synaptic error?
[05:48] <Pumpernickel> mooniker: What's the output of `sudo apt-get install -f`?
[05:48] <Pumpernickel> !paste
[05:48] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:50] <mooniker> what does -f do?
[05:52] <mooniker> oh, attempt to fix.
[05:52] <Pumpernickel> It tries to fix any problems - e.g; broken dependencies - and, more importantly, shows what's broken while doing that.
[05:53] <mooniker> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16835/
[05:54] <Pumpernickel> Line 13 looks like the problem.
[05:55] <Pumpernickel> `apt-get clean` will empty the package cache and free up some disk space to continue.
[05:56] <mooniker> oh, my boot partition is too small.
[06:16] <kumamoto> does anyone seem to have issues using cdrecord not burn cds
[06:17] <kma> kumamoto: do you run it with sudo?
[06:18] <kumamoto> for me either it was a tao issue or a fixate issue
[06:18] <kumamoto> kma: yeah running sudo
[06:18] <kma> just checking :)
[06:25] <kumamoto> if I specify tao it moves to fixate issue when using -nofix option get something else don't know if it is a bug or what?
[06:26] <kumamoto> I think this occurred when I upgraded I shouldn't have known
[06:26] <kumamoto> if it isn't broke don't fixate it
[06:30] <vidd_laptop> i just installed 7.04 and gxine wont play dvd's....
[06:31] <Pumpernickel> !dvd
[06:31] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[06:31] <vidd_laptop> i installed libdvdcss, and i get "No demuxer found - stream format not recognized
[06:33] <kumamoto> vidd_laptop: must install more codecs
[06:47] <mscdex> hello, i'm having a problem installing xubuntu on a dell laptop i have. the problem has to do with a "Dell Utility" partition that keeps popping up even after i delete it from gparted or cfdisk from the livecd. i tried rebooting after doing so, thinking the changes might not take effect right away. however as soon as i booted back up to the livecd to try to install again, the icon for the same partition popped up and xubuntu automo
[06:47] <mscdex> sorry for the paragraph heh
[06:50] <PodXT> hi
[06:51] <PodXT> did a feisty dist-upgrade, all seems well except for sshd not starting...the init script says OK, links exist for the runlevel I'm at, but sshd isn't running, how can this be debugged?
[06:52] <Ramla> mscdex: your paragraph was cut at "and xubuntu automo"
[06:53] <mscdex> ah ok
[06:53] <mscdex> and xubuntu automounted it when it was starting the actual install
[06:53] <mscdex> during the "detecting file systems" phase
[07:04] <PodXT> anyone?
[07:10] <Tryathletics> please PM me if any of yall have successfully dist-upgraded from xubuntu edgy to feisty
[07:10] <Tryathletics> thanks yall
[07:10] <hyper_ch> why?
[07:10] <razar> I am trying to save to an external hard drive, but it says "read only," how can I change this?
[07:11] <Tryathletics> b/c i need to do so on a business computer with minimal downtime
[07:11] <Tryathletics> gotta jet, cheers
[07:11] <hyper_ch> razar: what do you try to do exactely?
[07:11] <hyper_ch> Tryathletics: did you only use software from the repos?
[07:12] <razar> I try to click and drag files to try to save to the hard drive
[07:12] <hyper_ch> razar: is it a usb drive?
[07:12] <razar> yes, 80 gb
[07:14] <grazie> Tryathletics: I have successfully upgraded a clean edgy to feisty (beta) as part of testing. However, there seem to be a few that have had problems.
[07:15] <hyper_ch> razar: use highlighting... makes it easier to get notices when you write something and then what fileformat is the usb drive?
[07:17] <razar> I am not sure, how do I check that out?
[07:18] <hyper_ch> !paste | razar
[07:18] <ubotu> razar: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:18] <hyper_ch> razar: open a shell terminal and execute:   sudo fdisk -l     and pastebin that
[07:23] <razar> here it is: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16848/  Thanks
[07:24] <hyper_ch> razar: use highlighting
[07:26] <hyper_ch> razar: open Thunar and go to your usb drive
[07:26] <hyper_ch> oben it there and then post again the sudo fdisk -l
[07:35] <razar> %C12 http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16851/ here is the link
[07:37] <s|k> ok I'm running gnome
[07:37] <s|k> and it's using less memory than xfce
[07:37] <s|k> someone explain lol
[07:37] <s|k> haha
[07:38] <s|k> gnome is using 91 mb and xfce about 115mb
[07:39] <malnilion> Well, I suppose the real question is what processes do you have started up?
[07:43] <grazie> s|k: can't explain your differences without details, but you must have lower resource config for the gnome environment. Also, Linux likes to use memory (to get better performance) if the memory is available
[07:43] <s|k> I see
[07:50] <vrkhans> hi couldnt able to use my internet , its a wireless internet and uses the usb connector, i just install xubuntu 7.04
[07:50] <vrkhans> dont know how to fix it
[07:52] <vrkhans> please help me
[07:52] <hyper_ch> vrkhans: what connector is it? Have you searched the ubuntuforums.org yet?
[07:58] <vrkhans> hi
[07:58] <hyper_ch> vrkhans: what connector is it? Have you searched the ubuntuforums.org yet?
[07:59] <vrkhans> hyper_ch: no
[07:59] <hyper_ch> vrkhans: you may want to try that... it's possible there is already a solution for your problem
[08:00] <vrkhans> hyper_ch: i had 6.04 but its working fine with that
[08:00] <vrkhans> detect automatically, now dont know what happen
[08:01] <hyper_ch> things may have altered... best bet is to have a look at the forum... I'm pretty sure you are not the only one
[08:08] <kma> hmm
[08:17] <jacob> When I try to add a keyboard layout in the keyboard settings window, it forgets what I added. Could somebody help me out? Im running 7.04
[08:19] <jacob> I meant that it forgets when I close the window.
[08:22] <Bob_Lablah> Hey :D
[08:23] <jacob> Hi, do you think you might be able to help me out with a problem Im having with keyboard layouts?
[08:28] <Bob_Lablah> Fhkin hell, I'm strugling with the install of this wireless  :(
[08:28] <Merchelo> !language | Bob_Lablah
[08:28] <ubotu> Bob_Lablah: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[08:28] <Merchelo> !wifi | Bob_Lablah
[08:28] <ubotu> Bob_Lablah: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:29] <Bob_Lablah> Merchelo
[08:29] <Bob_Lablah> I'm reading a tutorial for my drivers atm
[08:29] <Bob_Lablah> Just a linux first timer so it's fairly confusing
[08:46] <predaeus> Did anybody succeed running xfce4-xmms-plugin with xmms? There are many failure entries in forums and I also get the same message that I need to install at least one of the supported players, although I have xmms installed. Using xubuntu. xfce 4.4.0.   plugin is 0.5.1
[08:51] <Lord_Maynoth_42> :C  can anyone help me
[08:51] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I was using xubuntu
[08:51] <Lord_Maynoth_42> but went back with ubuntu
[08:51] <Lord_Maynoth_42> and now my nic doesn't work
[08:52] <Lord_Maynoth_42> it works in xp, and it was working in ubuntu and xubuntu
[08:52] <ber1> (super newb talk ensues) - i have ubuntu 7.4 running and its terribly slow. 6.10 was decent, but after upgrading, every task seems to shoot my RAM usage up to 100% (and i have 512mb). changing a tab in swiftfox will lock up my computer for a few seconds and freeze my music and whatnot - very  annoying. henceforth, i'd like to install xubuntu on a separate partition. now, i know what i'm about to propose is possible, but i'm wondering how di
[08:52] <h3sp4wn> Lord_Maynoth_42: Try removing network manager
[08:53] <Lord_Maynoth_42> from add/remove? or synaptic?
[08:54] <h3sp4wn> Lord_Maynoth_42: Are you running feisty or edgy or ?
[08:54] <Lord_Maynoth_42> feisty
[08:55] <h3sp4wn> Are you bothered for network manager ? ubuntu feisty uses it xubuntu feisty doesn't (I think its a waste of time)
[08:57] <vidd_laptop> what codecs are needed to get gxine to play dvd's....besides libdvdcss?
[08:58] <h3sp4wn> libdvdcss2 ?
[08:58] <h3sp4wn> !info libdvdcss2
[08:58] <ubotu> Package libdvdcss2 does not exist in feisty
[08:58] <vidd_laptop> i installed libdvdcss, and i get "No demuxer found - stream format not recognized
[08:59] <vidd_laptop> i understand why they did not include libdvdcss in by default....
[09:00] <h3sp4wn> Lord_Maynoth_42: what does - sudo ethtool -i eth0 say (or whatever it used to be) (if you don't have ethtool - do sudo apt-get install ethtool (or aptitude if you have used it all along)
[09:00] <vidd_laptop> but in dapper, gxine worked without any other tweeking
[09:00] <Lord_Maynoth_42> well it for some reason says unknown
[09:00] <Lord_Maynoth_42> in the hardware info
[09:00] <Lord_Maynoth_42> but it was working
[09:00] <h3sp4wn> !info libxineextracodecs
[09:00] <ubotu> Package libxineextracodecs does not exist in feisty
[09:00] <Lord_Maynoth_42> and detected
[09:01] <Lord_Maynoth_42> previously
[09:01] <h3sp4wn> !info libxine-extracodecs
[09:01] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, transitional package. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.4-2ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 38 kB, installed size 68 kB
[09:01] <Lord_Maynoth_42> *_*
[09:01] <Merchelo> is there a way i can roll back an installation of a certain module ?
[09:01] <Lord_Maynoth_42> ill brb
[09:01] <Lord_Maynoth_42> thanks
[09:04] <vidd_laptop> h3sp4wn, awesome...and the auto-load works too!
[09:05] <predaeus> ah it depends on the xmms-dev package in Xubuntu. now it works .... wheeee :-)
[09:05] <h3sp4wn> vidd_laptop: Its whatever that points to
[09:05] <h3sp4wn> (its a transitional)
[09:09] <Pumpernickel> Merchelo: Which module?
[09:09] <Merchelo> it's ok, Pumpernickel, ati removed support for 9200, and the old version doesn't work with xorg 7.2, i'm gonna do a reinstall.
[09:10] <h3sp4wn> No reason to use fglrx anyway with a 9200
[09:10] <h3sp4wn> (Other than maybe tv-out is slightly easier to setup)
[09:12] <Pumpernickel> Merchelo: +1 to what h3sp4wn said.  Per https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver#head-839ea46a1da3bee0839b28a9595722a9cdf07797 the 9200 is fully supported.
[09:16] <Merchelo> well i had major problems with the upgrade, and i mainly use this machine for coding and a game which relies on FPS performance.
[09:25] <h3sp4wn> I believe the exa performance has been fixed as of xorg 7.2
[09:25] <Merchelo> but there's no proper ati support for a 9200 card with xorg 7.2, they stopped it altogether.
[09:26] <h3sp4wn> There is perfect support with free drivers
[09:53] <test3r> hey im up & running from Xubuntu704Desktop.  i got ~300MB of RAM, so it was able to go that low. I know people were questioning the "Reqs" of that.
[09:53] <test3r> Anywho- I installed the legacy drivers for my gForce2, then ran "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable" which changed the PCI setting to 0.5.0 which was supposed to be set at 1.0.0, and fudged the name to "Generic Video Card" instead of the nvidia name in there.
[09:54] <test3r> I have logo splash that comes up when X starts, but then when I run "glxinfo | grep rendering" I get the old "no monitor for 0.0" bit again. What do I need to change still?
[09:55] <agcrouton> hm
[09:55] <agcrouton> is gf2 supported?
[09:55] <test3r> through the nvidia-legacy drivers pak yes
[09:55] <test3r> the pak hasnt changes in years i think
[09:56] <test3r> btw - this all works fine on Xubuntu 606. no installer troubles except the expected. (you have to add in the lines "ignore display devices" "rendering extensions" etc)
[09:57] <coldsteal> hyper_ch: u there?
[09:58] <agcrouton> hm
[09:58] <agcrouton> i got rid of all my older cards, so I can't help much on the direct testing route
[09:58] <test3r> yeah it totally should be seeing "generic monitor" there still
[09:59] <agcrouton> did you hand-edit the xorg.conf after running nvidia-glx-config?
[09:59] <test3r> maybe it's because the "nvidia-glx-config enable" util changed some bit to something bad- like it did with my PCI location of the card ITSELF?
[09:59] <test3r> someone should rly look into it prob- I wish I knew where to / what files to check on this box
[10:00] <agcrouton> compare the backup and the current xorg.conf files
[10:00] <agcrouton> you'll probably find the error or difference
[10:00] <test3r> well from fresh install of course the distro defaulted to "nv" for the driver, but yeah ill compare the other bits thats a good iea
[10:02] <boubbin> how to installati drivers ?
[10:02] <agcrouton> did you check the ubuntu wiki?
[10:03] <boubbin> i can follow those instructions for xubuntu 7.04 ?
[10:03] <boubbin> even when theyre to xubuntu.
[10:03] <boubbin> even when theyre to ubuntu. <- i mean
[10:04] <test3r> yes they work the same. run a search on the Ubuntu pages for your Hardware name you need driver for
[10:06] <test3r> agcrouton > the only difference is in the "Screen" section just below the "Device" and "Monitor" section, and it's because the "nv" driver supports different modes. that should not be effecting Direct Rendering being turned on or off. the additional modes supported are 720X400 and 1X1.
[10:07] <test3r> ive also tried commenting the "DRI" line up at the top on & off, somewhere I read to turn the DRI off.
[10:08] <coldsteal> how can i make a debian pkg that has all the dependencies
[10:09] <test3r> try "man make"
[10:09] <test3r> or search webcrawler - maketools
[10:09] <coldsteal> whats webcrawler
[10:09] <gnomefreak> !packaging > coldsteal
[10:09] <test3r> it makes google look like a P.O.S.
[10:09] <gnomefreak> !compilee > coldsteal
[10:09] <gnomefreak> oops
[10:10] <gnomefreak> !compile > coldsteal
[10:10] <gnomefreak> read the 2 pms there are instructions there for both ways i believe
[10:10] <test3r> !nvidia
[10:10] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:10] <coldsteal> ok
[10:11] <test3r> doh. already been there. thx tho   =)
[10:13] <test3r> woop! i was right in deciding i should re-read it anyway.
[10:13] <test3r> it says NOW we should use a RestrictedDrivers special install window thingee
[10:14] <test3r> gr8. i puckered it up doing it oldsk00l   ;p
[10:14] <test3r> i feel like a pimp now   =D
[10:15] <test3r> ok here goes nothing.  a complete roll back & attempt at re-injection.  with a gForce2, 20Gigs  & 500MHz box.  wish me luk
[10:15] <Cinnander> good l... oh too late :)
[10:35] <schwofler> hi, just upgraded from edgy to feisty with a dell 9400 (ati x1400) and now my x-server won
[10:35] <schwofler> 't start
[10:35] <schwofler> no matter what i try (even tried vesa drivers) i still get errors and no x-server (no modes found)
[10:36] <schwofler> anyone an idea how to fix this?
[10:36] <schwofler> (apart from sudo dpkg reconfigure xserver xorg)
[10:45] <jrsims> HEY I installed Beryl, and now my xfce windows have no borders!
[10:45] <[1] ircusr> hi
[10:45] <jrsims> how do I fix?
[10:46] <[1] ircusr> dunno
[10:47] <jrsims> I uninstalled beryl, but still the same problem.
[10:47] <jrsims> so beryl messed something up
[10:47] <jrsims> and I have no clue how to fix
[10:47] <[1] ircusr> weird
[10:48] <ZACHWHITE4> hrm,
[10:48] <ZACHWHITE4> installed xubuntu 7.04 today... i cant get a terminal to open
[10:49] <ZACHWHITE4> just restarts xubuntu and takes me back to login screen
[11:24] <test3r> nice i got direct rendering now enabled!!!  Success-  Xubuntu704 Desktop i386 running on 500Mhz AMD, 281MB RAM (the top and bottom bars wouldnt show up from LiveCD Desktop CD, but install worked) and a gForce2 MX using nvidia-legacy drivers.  I   LOVE   THIS    DISTRO
[11:24] <test3r> =)))   i think ur stuck with me.   ;p
[11:25] <test3r> you will still have to call me anon though, but i thought server would prob boot that, thus, i am tester
[11:26] <test3r> one of a million.
[11:35] <test3r> why hello to all 50 billion of you
[11:46] <jgm> Hi are there any known issues with using xubuntu and display compositing with Xinerama?  I have two monitors linked with Xinerama and when I attempt to enable display compositing everything goes distinctly grey...
[11:47] <b52laptop> hi
[11:47] <b52laptop> is any one using tora ?
[11:50] <test3r> i have to disable compositing with my old old legacy gForce card, what type of card are you using?
[11:50] <jgm> 7800GT
[11:50] <test3r> is that  an ATI?
[11:50] <test3r> no that must b newer gforce
[11:50] <jgm> I'm pretty sure that it was working fine when I was using twin view but with xinerama it just seems to crash out
[11:50] <jgm> Yep it's a GeForce card
[11:51] <test3r> machinecode.   =\
[11:52] <test3r> im using an old old compax presario monitor  lol
[11:53] <test3r> u runnin 2 flatscreens?
[11:53] <jgm> Yep
[11:53] <test3r> crazy
[11:54] <test3r> nice support range, there
[11:54] <jgm> Annoying that it doesn't work, there doesn't seem to be any window manager that handles this stuff properly
[11:55] <test3r> well its taken alot of time to get to where it is now, though
[11:55] <jgm> Ah well will just go hack my xorg.conf and see if something magic happens
[11:55] <test3r> linux doesnt have hardware mfgs lining up to write patches / etc
[12:00] <jrsims> there's no good support for linux on more than on display then?
[12:07] <test3r> im not sure what app "Xinerama" is that he is trying to use, but he said his two flatpannels worked
[12:08] <test3r> l8ers
[12:26] <Shaba1> Hello all