[12:05] <soundray> My whole family are deeply invested in Linux software. That laptop still has Windows because it came with it, but it's never used. I'll reclaim the disk space from it soon ;)
[12:05] <abom> hehehe
[12:06] <abom> did she have the same nic as me with a laptop? I have a belkin f5d7000 I think
[12:06] <soundray> abom: okay, anyway, I think you're nearly there.
[12:06] <abom> but we haven't made any progress at all, lol :o
[12:06] <soundray> No, the manufacturer is different, but the chipset is the same.
[12:06] <abom> o ok, hrm
[12:07] <soundray> abom: yes, we have. All that's left to do is to finish off disabling NetworkManager/nm-applet and reboot. Don't forget to disable it in Startup programs.
[12:07] <abom> so I disable it and try to disable "roaming mode" right? and do automatic dhcp?
[12:08] <soundray> Yes, yes and yes.
[12:08] <abom> where do I disable the nm-applet?
[12:08] <soundray> System-Preferences-Session, then on the Startup programs tab
[12:09] <abom> ok, I unchecked it anything else before I reboot?
[12:09] <soundray> When you've done that, could you do a 'cat /etc/network/interfaces' and paste the output here if it's not too much
[12:10] <abom> # This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
[12:10] <abom> # and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).
[12:10] <abom> # The loopback network interface
[12:10] <abom> auto lo
[12:10] <abom> iface lo inet loopback
[12:11] <soundray> Is that all? No 'iface ra0 ...'?
[12:11] <abom> it's not too much, like I said before, I really do appreciate all the help... I just don't entirely see the point, so much trial and error
[12:12] <soundray> abom: man, I've wasted hours on this. You're just reaping the fruit ;)
[12:12] <abom> one sec, lemme run it again with the "disable roaming mode" checked
[12:12] <abom> :D
[12:13] <abom> yea, in my network settings, my wireless is unchecked, do I need to check my wireless for that command to show ra0?
[12:13] <soundray> Yes
[12:13] <abom> k
[12:14] <abom> k, I think I;m back
[12:14] <abom> # This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
[12:14] <abom> # and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).
[12:14] <abom> # The loopback network interface
[12:14] <abom> auto lo
[12:14] <abom> iface lo inet loopback
[12:14] <abom> iface ra0 inet dhcp
[12:14] <abom> wireless-essid linksys
[12:14] <abom> auto ra0
[12:14] <soundray> Looks very good.
[12:14] <abom> k, now restart?
[12:14] <soundray> If you reboot now, and it doesn't connect, I'll conced defeat.] 
[12:15] <soundray> *concede
[12:15] <abom> lol, :D ok, I'll keep my fingers crossed
[12:19] <Abom> no go :/
[12:19] <Abom> I did an iwlist scan and iwconfig and copied it though
[12:20] <Abom> while my wireless wasn't working that is
[12:20] <Abom> abom@ubuntu:~$ iwlist scan
[12:20] <Abom> lo        Interface doesn't support scanning.
[12:20] <Abom> eth0      Interface doesn't support scanning.
[12:20] <Abom> ra0       Scan completed :
[12:20] <Abom>           Cell 01 - Address: 00:18:39:63:E2:45
[12:20] <Abom>                     ESSID:"linksys"
[12:20] <Abom>                     Mode:Managed
[12:20] <Abom>                     Channel:6
[12:20] <Abom>                     Encryption key:off
[12:20] <Abom>                     Quality:100/100  Signal level:-27 dBm  Noise level:-256 dBm
[12:20] <Abom> abom@ubuntu:~$ iwconfig
[12:20] <Abom> lo        no wireless extensions.
[12:20] <Abom> eth0      no wireless extensions.
[12:20] <Abom> ra0       RT61 Wireless  ESSID:"linksys"  Nickname:""
[12:21] <Abom>           Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.437 GHz  Access Point: 00:18:39:63:E2:45
[12:21] <Abom>           Bit Rate=54 Mb/s
[12:21] <Abom>           RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
[12:21] <Abom>           Link Quality=100/100  Signal level:-32 dBm  Noise level:-79 dBm
[12:21] <Abom>           Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
[12:21] <Abom>           Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0
[12:21] <Abom> soundray: I saw all that invalid stuff at the bottom and thought, maybe that's a sign of what the problem is, I dunno
[12:22] <soundray> Those counts are all zero, though, which indicates absence of such problems
[12:22] <Abom> o heheheheh, damn :/
[12:22] <Abom> is there any hope to get online with linux at all? or do I have to wait another year for another version to come out to try that?
[12:22] <soundray> The only software difference between my wife's system and yours right now is that my wife has the updated driver module.
[12:23] <Abom> o ok so that's the thing you were saying at first
[12:23] <soundray> Are you on i386 or amd64?
[12:23] <Abom> amd64
[12:23] <soundray> Oh, excellent.
[12:23] <Abom> should I do i386?
[12:24] <soundray> In that case, if you thought it worth the bother, you could try my compiled module.
[12:24] <Abom> I'd rather try that than just give up :o
[12:24] <soundray> My wife's system is 7.04 amd64 as well, so the module should be compatible and you can just drop it in to replace your current one.
[12:25] <Abom> o cool, do I need to reboot or shut down my rt61 module?
[12:25] <soundray> No
[12:25] <Abom> o sweet, send it on ova :D
[12:26] <soundray> Do you want to give me an email address to send it to? Would be easier, since it's on another machine
[12:26] <Abom> k, ReggieFourmyle@gmail.com
[12:26] <Abom> thanks again too, sorry for being so crabby about it not working :)
[12:27] <soundray> Believe me, I was reduced to swearwords at more than one point during this episode ;)
[12:27] <soundray> So I know what it's like.
[12:28] <soundray> I'll send it as an attachment with instructions.
[12:28] <Abom> lol, its good to hear that it's not just me with issues :o
[12:28] <Abom> awesome, thanks again
[12:29] <soundray> No problem, I'm logging off now. Please send me an email reply to say if it worked.
[12:29] <Abom> definitely :)
[12:29] <soundray> Cheers
[12:44] <nealmcb> nalioth: I updated the schedule at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom   a little bit
[12:45] <nealmcb> still curious about ways to automate updating of the ical page....
[12:45] <nalioth> nealmcb: thanks, and i have no idea who did the ical page at the time
[01:03] <nealmcb> nalioth: Thanks.  I think better calendar/wiki integration would be a great thing for ubuntu and launchpad.  I wish the fridge event calendar included Ubuntu Open Week....
[02:26] <Abom> I know this is a stupid question, but where do I find the equivelant to c:\program files in linux?
[02:26] <Abom> I wanna install a skin on xmms, but can't find where to put it :o
[02:27] <Abom> btw, for anyone still here from before, soundray fixed my network card not working
[02:36] <Abom> I still dunno where to put this skin =/
[02:37] <Abom> omg, there's an xmms channel, sorry, I'm a noob :o
[02:38] <boss> Hello all.
[02:38] <boss> I have a feeling something is wrong with my ks.cfg. My post-installation script doesn't work. Could someone help me debug it please?
[04:19] <boss> Is performance the only downside to using software RAID?
[01:48] <xyz_beginne1> hi ... I am an ubuntu beginner.  Need help for screen size issue
[02:03] <jrib> xyz_beginne1: hi
[02:50] <boom> hello
[03:17] <jikanter> hey, is their an authoritative source for documentation on typical changes made to the debian python policy for ubuntu (if there are any)?
[03:27] <jrib> jikanter: #ubuntu-motu is probably a better place to ask
[03:42] <jikanter> jrib: thanks
[09:13] <Delco2> hi, any ubuntu guru's in the house?