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randomwalkerhey check this out -- http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2007/04/ubuntu_word_on.html07:44
Burgundaviayep07:45
Burgundaviaalready in the UWN07:45
randomwalkercool07:45
randomwalkeri was an intern at MS once, and about half the threads in the interns mailing list were... distro wars :) i hope they've been won by now!07:46
Burgundaviaheh, that is funny07:47
randomwalkerthe other half were of course, vi vs emacs :) :)07:47
randomwalkeris there an rss for this weekly news thing? i don't see one07:49
Burgundaviayes, vai the fridge07:50
randomwalkerstrange.. fridge is in my reader, and looking at the site i recall seeing all the recent posts _except_ the newsletters07:51
Burgundaviahmm07:54
Burgundaviamigth be a bug07:54
randomwalkernah, probably just a bug in my memory07:55
jendarandomwalker: that's beautiful :)07:56
randomwalkerjenda: the MS thing? yeah, that was fun 07:57
jendaI meant the Starbucks thing :)07:58
randomwalkerright07:58
boredandblogginghello07:58
jendamorning08:04
Burgundaviahey boredandblogging and jenda08:04
Burgundaviahas anybody seen beuno?08:04
boredandblogginghi Burgundavia 08:04
jendanot for a while, no.08:04
boredandbloggingis anyone tackling the feisty press coverage story?08:05
Burgundaviahmm, ok08:05
BurgundaviaI will be doing some work tomorrow on the UWN, but feel free to dive into the feisty press coverage stuff08:05
Burgundaviaplan to release tomorrow night08:05
jendaBurgundavia: let me know once you're done, I'll put it on the forums.08:05
Burgundaviaok, will do08:06
boredandbloggingok, I'm  going to start posting some links of press coverage, broken down into sections08:06
jendaBurgundavia: beuno, somerville32 and the other forums mods can do the same, btw08:06
Burgundaviaok08:06
jendaFolks, read and reply: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=24308:45
boredandbloggingjenda, lol, gutsy got fixed on the wiki, maybe we should edit the post as people fix the wiki?08:55
jendamaybe ;)08:55
boredandbloggingi wouldn't mind put in the new fixes, but I don't think I can edit other peoples posts08:56
boredandbloggings/put/putting08:56
jendanope, you can't...08:56
jenda...but...08:56
jenda...we might be able to do something about that.08:56
jendaI'll have to discuss with beuno and somerville32 ;)08:56
boredandblogginghaha, ok08:58
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juliuxgood morning10:41
tsmithemorning juliux 10:43
jendamorn10:58
jendaBurgundavia: I have an excuse from beuno :) He's seriously ill or something to the effect.11:02
Burgundaviahmm11:02
jendaI gave him a choice of canned excuses, and he chose that one.11:02
jendaHe said he'd get to it tomorrow, unless someone did it before him.11:02
jendaIt's 6 AM in his timezone or something, innit?11:02
jendaSpeaking of which, you really should go to bed, Burgundavia ;)11:03
Burgundaviayes, yes it is11:03
Burgundaviaand 2am here11:03
jendaYou moved west?11:04
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jendathen again, I have bad impressions all the time...11:04
Burgundavianah, I have been in BC all the time11:05
Burgundaviatonyyarouso is from ontario11:05
jendacool11:08
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tsmitherargh http://www.spreadubuntu.co.uk/resources12:20
tsmitheneeds diy collaboration12:20
jendaO_O12:21
jendatsmithe: do you know who runs it?12:22
tsmitheyes! he keeps posting to ubuntu-uk12:23
tsmithei told him to collaborate12:23
tsmitheand that diy existed12:23
tsmithebut he's having none of it12:23
jendagargh12:23
jendaI _hate_ when they do that.12:23
tsmithesame12:23
tsmithei'll tell him again12:23
jendawhat's worse, I'm so busy now that I can't really give it the time it deserves.12:23
tsmithehttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2007-April/004063.html12:25
tsmitheetc etc12:25
tsmithehttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2007-April/004098.html12:25
tsmithethe archives haven't synced so we don't have his latest message12:25
jendaUGH12:30
jendaThey have _my_ poster on there!12:30
jendaThese are the times when I curse the GPL ;)12:30
tsmithehmm12:30
jendaHeh, they link to my price list...12:31
jendafunky12:31
jendatsmithe: would you happen to have some sort of IM handle for the guy?12:31
tsmithei wouldn't, no12:32
jendaCould you get one for me? :)12:37
jendaor drag him on IRC...12:37
jendaI'll write him a mail.12:37
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jendatsmithe: Cc'd12:46
tsmithecool12:46
jendaor, Bcc'd, to be exact.12:46
tsmitheexcellent :)12:54
tsmitheand it was a CC actually12:54
jendayes, it was, but he didn't know ;)01:12
tsmithehehe01:12
tsmithedid you get a reply, then>01:12
tsmithe*?01:12
jendanot yet01:16
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jendaPlease review the formatting in http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=41203201:47
jendaIf you want anything changed, say it now, because it'll be automatically generated from now on :)01:47
juliuxjenda, the link to the german uwn is broken01:51
jendagargh01:51
jendathat's not my fault :)01:51
jendajuliux: make a forward on the wiki, i guess.01:52
juliuxno i will not make the forward;)01:53
juliuxjenda, there is only a german kwn i think01:53
jendaok01:53
jendaKWN???01:53
jendaO_O01:53
jendaK W N!01:54
jendaJeezus.01:54
juliuxjenda, and they don't translate everything01:56
jendajuliux: don't try to make me angry - I have work to do today ;)01:56
juliuxjenda, i will stop it now;)01:56
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jendadon't spill soup in your keyboard... ;)01:57
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tsmithewith F key!01:57
tsmitheand control!01:57
jendahaha01:59
jendamine has that too... it must be an old feature.01:59
tsmitheit cost 2401:59
tsmithe:S01:59
tsmithecheaper than the 80 dell were charging01:59
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juliuxwb tsmithe 02:54
tsmithehi juliux :)02:54
MenZajuliux: any more ;)?03:04
juliuxMenZa, 3orders from dk including your one03:07
MenZa:D03:07
jendajuliux: what about your sticky? :)03:07
jendaMenZa: we're even ;)03:07
MenZajenda: rauwr ;)03:07
jendaMenZa: but my orders total 5 shirts ;)03:08
juliuxjenda, no results unilt know03:08
MenZajenda: damn ;P03:08
jendajuliux: I mean, have you had it made?03:08
MenZamine are 4.03:08
MenZaat least03:08
jendahehe03:08
MenZaI have 2, plus the two other orders03:08
jendaMenZa: OTOH, mine aren't sent in yet03:08
MenZahaha03:08
jenda(2+1+2 here)03:08
jendaWell, i'll be sending them in as one, because I'll be picking the shirts up personally :)03:09
juliuxjenda, not yet03:09
jendajuliux: dooo eeet :)03:09
jendajuliux: a sticky in the cafe will get lots of attention03:09
juliuxjenda, which subofurm?03:09
jenda:)03:09
jendacafe03:09
juliuxcommunity cafe?03:09
jendayup03:09
jendaDon't worry, it's authorised spam :)03:09
MenZalol03:10
juliuxjenda, can i add you as an conctact for the cz team?03:13
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jendajuliux: of course03:15
jendajuliux: add a not that Czech buyers don't need to pay shipping ;)03:15
jendanote03:15
jendajuliux: or just link here: http://forum.ubuntu.cz/viewtopic.php?id=925503:15
jendait has all the prices and sizes transcalculated03:16
jendaand explains ordering and stuff.03:16
juliuxCZ people please visit http://forum.ubuntu.cz/viewtopic.php?id=92503:16
jendasure03:16
jendaor 'please check out' ;)03:16
juliuxwhat is netherlands? NL ?03:17
jendayup03:17
juliuxjenda, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=250758103:19
juliuxjenda, btw i hate vbulletin03:19
jendahehe03:20
MenZavBulletin rocks.03:20
juliuxsometimes it is so brocken03:20
jendajuliux: are you sure the word is stitchery? I'd use embroidery03:21
MenZaor just embroid ;p03:21
juliuxembroidery03:21
juliuxis the other word;)03:21
jendamind if I do a grammar check on the rest of it? ;)03:21
juliuxjenda, now i have booth;)03:22
jendabooth?03:22
juliuxstitchery/embroidery03:22
jendaah, ok03:23
jendaboth ;)03:23
juliuxyes03:23
juliuxsorry03:23
jenda"We will have the following things available [B] only[/B]  with a reservation made before the03:24
jendafirst of May 2007![/U] "03:24
jendaI'd recommend ;)03:24
juliuxah shit there are still the _03:24
jendaPolo Shirt 220gr/sqm, black, Size 3XL-XL <<< Isn't that supposed to be 3XL-4XL?03:24
juliuxyes03:24
juliuxfixed03:25
jendas/carriage/shipping/03:25
juliuxare you sure??03:27
jendayes03:27
jendaI fixed it ;)03:27
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juliuxi have no problem if an admin fixed my posts;)03:28
jendaStickied and title edited a bit03:29
juliuxi am out for an icecream;)03:29
jendaenjoy it :)03:30
jendaI hope you're going with some fine lady ;)03:30
juliuxthxs jenda 03:30
juliuxyes with my girlfriend;)03:30
jenda:)03:30
jendathere03:32
jendaUbuntu Shirts - T, Polo & Button-up + embroidered logo (needs reservation before 5/1)03:32
jendaThat would be more interesting to the casual reader than the fact that there have been other shirts before ("second edition")03:33
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jendaVorian: order them, then :) $20 isn't all that much!03:47
jenda:)03:47
MenZaVorian: they're awesome04:06
MenZaI'm wearing mine right now04:06
jendaMenZa: we shouldda had them when we met up ;)04:08
MenZahehe04:10
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jendatsmithe: I'm 56% done with the sample ;)04:55
tsmithecool :D04:55
jendajuliux: I hear there's an Ubuntu ad in the Berlin subway... true? false?04:59
juliuxjenda, that is right05:00
MenZa:O05:00
jendaawesome :)05:00
MenZaawesome ^_^05:00
MenZaAny pictars?05:00
juliuxjenda, i will observe the thread perhaps we have some pictures for the next uwn05:00
jendajuliux: that would be awesome05:02
juliuxnixternal, is US 54152 in the near of you?05:08
juliuxsorry US 6415205:08
nixternaldunno05:10
nixternaljuliux: that is where imbrandon is from, that is KC, about 8 hours from my house05:11
juliuxnixternal, ok05:11
juliuxnixternal, i have an request for shirts from there;)05:12
jendaAmericans... always measure distance in hours...05:12
nixternalyup05:12
jendaI measure distance in $s, s or beers.05:12
nixternalhaha05:12
nixternalI don't drink anymore, so the beers won't work05:12
jendaI don't drink either.05:13
jendaBeers aren't considered drinking, though.05:13
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jendaBTW, Ubuntu is better than beer: http://www.google.com/trends?q=ubuntu%2C+beer&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all05:13
MenZaSo... we'll start saying "Free as in Ubuntu" now?05:15
jendayep05:20
jenda:)05:20
jendabut it's just as ambiguous as if you just said 'free'05:20
jendaThis one is even better: http://www.google.com/trends?q=boobs%2C+beer%2C+ubuntu&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all05:22
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poningruHAH05:24
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tsmithejenda, you don't drink like i don't breathe05:27
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jendatsmithe: hehe05:56
jendatsmithe: I got in touch with that spreadubuntu guy05:56
tsmitheoh yea?05:56
jendahe seems quite ok05:56
tsmithecool :)05:56
tsmithe"hehe"?05:56
jendahehe @ 17:27 < tsmithe> jenda, you don't drink like i don't breathe05:57
tsmitheahh :D05:57
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mrmondayhi all07:29
mrmondaydoes anyone know whats going on with the fcm site?07:29
jendafcm?07:33
mrmondayfull circle magazine07:33
mrmondayI can't reply o anything/pm anyone/see the sidebars07:34
mrmonday*to07:34
jenda/j #fullcirclemagazine 07:38
jenda(splitters ;))07:38
mrmondaysplitters?07:39
jendayeah, they insist on a seperate channel :)07:46
boredandbloggingi'm still wondering why they have a separate forum07:48
boredandbloggingon their own site07:48
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jendajuliux: weehee, it seems I might be getting 6 shirts...09:02
juliuxjenda, cool09:02
juliuxjenda, the dk team is in front with 909:02
jendagargh09:03
jendaThey are richer ;)09:03
juliuxhehe09:04
MenZahaha :D09:05
MenZaowned, jenda :D09:05
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MenZaawww09:06
jendaMenZa: I never said CZ was a god place ;)09:06
jenda*good09:06
jendaI like my view, though.09:06
juliuxMenZa, the dk team is only in front because i don't count the shirts from the german team;)09:06
jendaDamn, I never even invited you to my place :) I shouldda - I've got the best view of Prague ;)09:06
MenZa:D09:07
tsmithejenda, my view is nicer09:07
tsmitheich hab ein schoenes(?) aussicht09:07
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juliuxtsmithe, ich habe eine schoene aussicht09:08
tsmitheyou used google09:08
tsmithewait09:09
juliuxtsmithe, and normaly Aussicht and not aussicht, but we are on irc;)09:09
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tsmithei thought you were jenda09:09
tsmithe*doh*09:09
tsmithejuliux, i know09:09
tsmithei don't use capitals on irc :)09:09
tsmithei had a feeling "sicht" was feminine09:09
juliuxtsmithe, did you learn german at school?09:09
tsmithei am doing09:09
juliuxtsmithe, that is right die sicht09:09
jendatsmithe: hehe09:09
tsmithejust spent a fortnight living with a german family09:09
juliuxtsmithe, cool09:09
tsmitheand i still can't get aussicht right09:09
jendatsmithe: I'm sure you don't. I don't have a camera to prove it though.09:10
juliuxtsmithe, that is to short09:10
tsmitheyep09:10
tsmithealthough i learnt useful words like fernglas and entscheidung09:10
tsmitheder fernglas?09:10
juliuxtsmithe, i was last year 8 week ins london, that was better then 7 years english at school09:10
tsmithedas entscheidung?09:10
tsmithejuliux, i'm sure09:10
juliuxtsmithe, das fernglas die entscheidung09:11
tsmithelucky you09:11
tsmithecrap09:11
tsmithesee why are jendas so hard09:11
jendahum?09:11
tsmithei meant "genders"09:11
juliuxtsmithe, der, die, das is very hard for non native german speakers09:12
jendaoh, in the language ;)09:12
jendatsmithe: try latin, it has three09:12
jendatsmithe: or Czech, for that matter09:12
tsmithejuliux, but i find it easy in french...09:12
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tsmitheand latin was easier too09:12
juliuxtsmithe, i never learned french09:12
tsmithemais pourquoi pas?09:12
juliuxtsmithe, i learnd latin and russian09:12
jendajuliux: quo vadis? :)09:12
juliuxjenda, lol09:12
jendaeo rus09:12
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jendatsmithe: study law ;)09:13
tsmitheand i can just get my ma to teach me russian09:13
tsmithejenda, nah. don't want to *be* my mother09:13
juliuxjenda, menjet sawut juliux;09:13
tsmithejuliux, :P09:13
jendajuliux: :D09:13
juliuxkak tibija sawut?09:13
jendajuliux: zdrastvuj09:13
tsmithemenja sovut toby (that's how i would transliterate it)09:13
juliuxjenda, it is a long time ago i spoke russian;)09:14
MenZaRussian is awesome :o09:14
jendaHowever, I honestly hate russian ;)09:14
tsmithejuliux, that's all i ever learnt as well09:14
tsmithejenda, why?09:14
MenZajenda: Nostrovika!09:14
MenZaXD09:14
tsmitheMenZa, agreed!09:14
MenZajenda: :D09:14
jendatsmithe: political reasons :)09:14
juliuxjenda, i think it is now more then 4 years09:14
tsmithejenda, meh. that's silly09:14
MenZaI still remember that, jenda ;)09:14
MenZaThe language is awesome09:14
jendahehe09:14
jendaNazdarovje is what you meant, maybe? :)09:14
juliuxnastrovje wom09:14
MenZa:O09:15
MenZa:(09:15
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tsmitheit's freezing out here09:15
juliuxgoogle can also translate into russian;)09:15
tsmithejuliux, transliterally or with the alphabet?09:15
juliuxtsmithe, no idea09:15
tsmithehmm ok :P09:16
juliuxtsmithe, test it;)09:16
tsmithewhen i'm inside09:16
tsmithehands are too cold :S09:16
juliuxpff09:16
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tsmithebbiab09:16
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tsmithegoogle time!09:19
tsmithe  ?09:20
tsmitheit's not right...09:20
jendatsmithe: I understand perfectly, but can't answer :)09:24
tsmithe:P09:24
tsmithecan't as in can't, or don't want to?09:24
jendahehe09:25
jendaI don't know enough russian - only passively.09:25
juliuxjenda, you don't want to know it or you realy don't know it?09:26
jendahehe09:26
jendaI actually considered learning it, but there's way too much to do.09:26
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adamant1988Hello all10:27
jendayo, adamant1988 10:28
adamant1988jenda: How are you today?10:29
jendaConsidering calling it a day.10:29
jendayourself?10:30
tsmitheobviously his head exploded10:40
adamant1988Oh sorry10:42
adamant1988was reading10:42
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jendahehe10:43
adamant1988jenda: I'm ironing out the kinks in a proposal I want to start working on.. there has been a good bit of interest and really no one has done anything to tear the idea down10:43
adamant1988http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Open_Mentoring10:43
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adamant1988Would you mind taking a look?10:43
adamant1988There have been a couple people who have expressed interest in working with me on this, but a lot of legwork needs to be done... lots of conversations need to be had.10:45
jendaadamant1988: sorry, i can't really pay it the attention right now :/10:51
jendait's late and I'm already multi-tasking10:51
adamant1988jenda: understandable. Haha. Welcome to my life. (I've got major ADD)10:51
jendaI'm quite sure I'd get that on a stamped paper if I asked for it, but meh ;)10:52
jenda(I mean, for myself, not for you :D10:52
jenda)10:52
adamant1988jenda: stamped paper? 10:56
jendaas in, get diagnosed10:56
adamant1988Oh, diagnosis.10:56
adamant1988Yeah, I have that10:56
adamant1988I don't medicate though, I don't like the drugs10:57
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beunoBurgundavia: hi11:32
beunojenda: sorry about last night11:34
beunoit was 6am, and I wasn't "alone"  :p11:34
beunoboredandblogging: around?11:34
jendahehehe :)11:34
beunoso... what's up with UWN?11:35
beunoah, it needs a lot of work..11:37
beunoI've got an installfest coming up next weekend11:37
beunoso tha't why I haven't been around that much11:38
beunoits the "Flisol", Festival Latinoamericano de Software Libre11:38
beunoand ubuntu is the chosen distro11:38
beunoso I'm coordinating a lot of stuff11:39
beunoso I'll have even less time next week11:39
jendabeuno: good luck with that ;)11:41
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beunojenda, thanks it's my first "event", and I think the ppl who organize it have put a little too much faith in me, but we'll see  :D11:43
beunoat least I got Ubuntu to be the official distro11:43
beunoand I'm taking my ubuntu and xubuntu stickers with me  :D11:43
jendainteresting... ;)11:43
jendasweet :)11:43
beunoI'll make sure to take a lot of pictures and gather information11:44
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beunoI mught add something about it to the UWN too, I don't know yet11:44
beuno*might11:44
jendayou should11:45
jendaat leaste as a loco event.11:45
beunoaaargh, I have to eat something, i haven't had lunch yet and it's almost 7pm11:45
beunoI'll add it and go get something to eat  :D11:45
jendaI have to sleep, otoh.11:46
jendagood night :)11:46
boredandblogginghi beuno 11:47
vork-lg-mjjjr11:47
beunohey boredandblogging, how's it going?11:47
boredandbloggingnot much11:47
boredandbloggingthink Burgundavia was going to write something about the feisty press coverage for the UWN11:48
boredandbloggingI'm about to put the bug stats in 11:48
beunogreat11:49
beunoI've got little time right now11:49
beunoso Im going to grab some lunch11:49
beunoand then I'll try to squeeze in some time11:49
boredandbloggingok11:49
beunoI'll be here for sure in about 4 or 5 hours to get it released11:49
beunobbl11:50
Burgundaviahey beuno11:51
beunohey Burgundavia11:51
beunojust when I'm about to leave...  :p11:52
beunosorry about the delay with the UWN11:52
beunoI explained a bit above 11:52
Burgundaviano worries11:52
beunoI've still got some things to do today, but I'll be here later to finish up whatever is left11:52
BurgundaviaI am going to be out for a bit, but will work on later tonight11:54
beunotranslations seemed to be working pretty well lately, don't they?11:54
beunoBurgundavia: great, that will make two of us then11:54
Burgundaviayep, they seem to11:54
randomwalkersomeone told me yesterday that "ubuntu gets far more coverage in the mainstream press than any other distro"11:57
randomwalkerhow do you measure that?11:57
randomwalkerright now fedora has more hits on google news than ubuntu11:57
Burgundaviasubjectively11:57
randomwalkerand this is right after a ubuntu release11:57
Burgundaviarandomwalker: fedora also maybe getting hits for non-linux stuff11:57
Burgundaviahttp://www.google.com/trends?q=ubuntu%2Cdebian%2Cfedora11:57
randomwalkerBurgundavia: it's been a while since hats have been in the news :)11:57
randomwalkerBurgundavia: hey that's pretty cool11:58
Burgundaviaie: we are destroying them :)11:58
Burgundaviahttp://www.google.com/trends?q=ubuntu%2Cdebian%2Cfedora%2Cnovell%2Csuse&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all11:59
randomwalkerfirefox had a team for contacting reporters to correct errors and misconceptions in news articles11:59
randomwalkerif ubuntu has one i'd like to be part of that11:59
Burgundaviagenerally we do that11:59
Burgundaviaif you see something, send a polite note12:00
randomwalkerok12:00
Burgundaviahttp://distrowatch.com/index.php?dataspan=112:02
Burgundaviawow12:02
randomwalkeryeah, i saw that yesterday12:03
randomwalkeri'm not sure if last 7 days is representative -- pclinuxos is in second place and i don't even know what that is12:03
Burgundavia7 day is representative of the last 7 days12:05
randomwalkerok12:05
Burgundaviait tends to be very variable, based on teh current release12:05
Burgundavia6 month is a better indicator12:05
Burgundaviabut 5k is a insanely high12:06
randomwalkerthats true12:08

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