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| ohmega | is there any reason why the startup bug in azureus is not being fixed? it seems ridiculous to keep a package in universe that does not work when upstream works fine. | 12:22 |
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| ohmega | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/azureus/+bug/57875 | 12:22 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 57875 in azureus "Azureus does not start" [High,Confirmed] | 12:22 |
| Fujitsu | ohmega: Why not fix it? | 12:24 |
| jdong | ohmega: I thought that was fixed in Feisty | 12:25 |
| ohmega | I still have this problem with feisty. | 12:25 |
| jdong | my Azureus starts fine with Sun Java6... but of course crashes in compiz and beryl | 12:26 |
| crimsun | that bug report is absolutely awful | 12:26 |
| crimsun | no less than four of the comments are vitriolic and contribute absolutely zero to the debugging | 12:27 |
| Fujitsu | crimsun: How? I darenm't look at them any more. | 12:27 |
| crimsun | further, there appear to be at least three different reports munged into that one bug report | 12:27 |
| crimsun | ohmega: which of those issues are you experiencing? | 12:28 |
| ohmega | the consensus seems to be that 2.5.0.4 works for everyone, why bother with an older version then? | 12:28 |
| jdong | ohmega: an upstream 2.5.0.4 works for everyone, as does an upstream 2.5.0.0; the problem seems to be the build process | 12:28 |
| jdong | ohmega: we do not upload binary packages to Universe... they must build with the gcj Java stack, and apparently there is an error in our build process.... | 12:29 |
| ohmega | oh ok | 12:29 |
| jdong | so now the million dollar question is... why is it broken? :D | 12:29 |
| crimsun | some people report it's the branding patch | 12:29 |
| Fujitsu | Because it's Azureus. | 12:29 |
| crimsun | if it's as simple as reverting its application, then we can do an SRU | 12:30 |
| jdong | I guess it's worth a shot to set up some -proposed packages with that, and see if it fixes anything | 12:30 |
| ohmega | hm, i'll try building it without the patch then perhaps | 12:30 |
| jdong | maybe a pre-proposed package :) | 12:30 |
| Fujitsu | Maybe fix it in Gutsy first, then confirm that it actually works? | 12:32 |
| jdong | does the compiler stack work in Gutsy yet? | 12:32 |
| jdong | gcj seems like russian roulette at times | 12:33 |
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| ohmega | this is strange, build-dep for azureus fails. where do i get libswt-gtk-3.2-java? | 12:36 |
| ohmega | oh sorry. never mind. | 12:37 |
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| ohmega | hm, so if i don't apply all the ubuntu patches when i build the azureus package it works fine. | 12:54 |
| ohmega | thus the build process argument seems to be incorrect. | 12:54 |
| ohmega | (it crashed on my setup when i built my own package with the patches) | 12:54 |
| jdong | ohmega: you have a gig of RAM? | 12:55 |
| jdong | gcj seems to need a good gig of RAM to put it together | 12:55 |
| ohmega | uhm? | 12:55 |
| ohmega | i don't know how much it used. i have 2 GB | 12:55 |
| jdong | ok | 12:55 |
| ohmega | i suppose i'll just apply the patches one by one and rebuild the package till it fails now.. | 12:56 |
| ohmega | ah.. finally i get some use out of all these cs classes ;) | 01:00 |
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| ohmega | bad patch identified! :) | 01:08 |
| tenshu | hello there =) someone can tell me when uplod to gutsy will be opened? | 01:11 |
| ohmega | ok, who do i tell to pull this bogus patch out of azureus so we can have a working azureus in universe? | 01:12 |
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| crimsun | "us" | 01:13 |
| ohmega | ok, remove 07_azureus-themed.dpatch then | 01:13 |
| ohmega | please :) | 01:13 |
| crimsun | right, I stated that above. | 01:13 |
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| ohmega | oh you did, i didn't notice? | 01:14 |
| crimsun | tenshu: we can upload already, but buildds won't process anything. | 01:15 |
| tenshu | okay crimsun can i start to upload new package to REVU? | 01:15 |
| crimsun | tenshu: revu is not tied to the Ubuntu upload infrastructure. You can upload anytime to revu (as long as your email+key are in the revu uploaders keyring) | 01:16 |
| tenshu | ok =) thank you crimsun | 01:17 |
| ohmega | crimsun: will you upload a new azureus? | 01:17 |
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| ohmega | or should i prepare a new package myself and send to someone? | 01:23 |
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| crimsun | ohmega: follow SRU procedure. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU | 01:24 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 01:35 |
| ohmega | are ubuntu packages in a RCS somewhere so i can look at previous changesets to a package? | 01:44 |
| nixternal | permission to remove sharms and his weakenedbash script from civilization? | 01:45 |
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| LaserJock | nixternal: now now | 01:48 |
| LaserJock | ohmega: you can grab the previous version from Launchpad | 01:48 |
| ohmega | ah ok. | 01:49 |
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| ohmega | do i need the ~proposed suffix for my package or is it ok just to rebuild it with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot? | 02:05 |
| LaserJock | are you doing an SRU? | 02:06 |
| ohmega | yes | 02:06 |
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| ohmega | or well i don't have any sponsore | 02:07 |
| ohmega | -e | 02:07 |
| LaserJock | then you'll want ~proposed1 in the version | 02:07 |
| ohmega | ok sigh, complete rebuild then | 02:07 |
| ohmega | ;) | 02:07 |
| ohmega | do i add the ~proposed1 thing in the changelog or do i do it with dpkg-buildpackage? | 02:08 |
| LaserJock | ohmega: changelog | 02:11 |
| ohmega | can i just edit the changelog manually or must it be done with the tool? | 02:11 |
| LaserJock | it's best to do it with dch -i | 02:12 |
| LaserJock | just to make sure the formating is correct | 02:12 |
| ohmega | oh i already have an entry, it's just the version number that's not correct (no ~proposed1) | 02:12 |
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| LaserJock | ah | 02:13 |
| LaserJock | then just plain editing is fine | 02:13 |
| ohmega | ok good :) | 02:13 |
| ohmega | who is my sponsor? | 02:15 |
| LaserJock | you need to have a MOTU check out the changes | 02:15 |
| LaserJock | the general way to do that is to subscribe the ubuntu-universe-sponsors team to thebug | 02:16 |
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| ohmega | ok, done | 02:18 |
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| ohmega | where do i upload to? | 02:37 |
| crimsun | attach the debdiff to the bug repotr. | 02:38 |
| crimsun | report, even. | 02:38 |
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| ohmega | i generated these .build files etc | 02:40 |
| crimsun | you should have two .dscs and two .diff.gzs | 02:40 |
| ohmega | yes | 02:41 |
| crimsun | debdiff old.dsc new.dsc > new.debdiff | 02:41 |
| ohmega | ah ok. | 02:42 |
| ohmega | crimsun: ok, done. | 02:45 |
| ohmega | anything else I should do? | 02:45 |
| ohmega | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/azureus/+bug/57875 | 02:45 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 57875 in azureus "Azureus does not start" [High,Confirmed] | 02:45 |
| pochu | ohmega: wait for a motu to review it ;) | 02:46 |
| crimsun | ohmega: have you verified that is doesn't crash after several minutes? | 02:46 |
| crimsun | s/is/it/ | 02:46 |
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| boss | Hello. How is kickstart integration going into Ubuntu so far? | 02:47 |
| crimsun | ohmega: also, you shouldn't /remove/ the dpatch. Just don't /apply/ it. In other words, the only change necessary is to remove the dpatch from debian/patches/00list. | 02:47 |
| ohmega | ok | 02:47 |
| boss | I'd love to see something like this: http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/custom-guide/s1-redhat-config-kickstart-pkgs.html in Ubuntu. | 02:47 |
| boss | It only shows ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop as of right now I believe. | 02:48 |
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| ohmega | crimsun: ok, how does it look now? | 03:02 |
| crimsun | ohmega: the distribution should be feisty-proposed, not feisty | 03:04 |
| ohmega | +azureus (2.5.0.0repack1-0ubuntu2~proposed2) feisty-proposed; urgency=low then? | 03:05 |
| crimsun | ohmega: also, use the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClosingBugsFromChangelog syntax (LP: #57875) | 03:06 |
| crimsun | yes | 03:06 |
| ajmitch | what a version | 03:08 |
| Fujitsu | That's nothing. | 03:09 |
| Fujitsu | 2.5.0.0repack1-0ubuntu0.6.10~proposed1 | 03:09 |
| Fujitsu | Hm, that versioning is wrong, ohmega... It should be -0ubuntu1.1 | 03:10 |
| ohmega | wtf? | 03:10 |
| Fujitsu | Updates to stable releases use -XubuntuY.Z | 03:10 |
| ohmega | ok | 03:10 |
| Fujitsu | (and a ~proposed1 on the end of that for proposed)\ | 03:10 |
| ohmega | are my other attachments to the bug report proposals so that this next version is proposed3 or are they still proposed1? | 03:13 |
| ohmega | http://librarian.launchpad.net/7383802/proposed3.debdiff | 03:15 |
| pochu | ohmega: proposed1 | 03:15 |
| pochu | since it hasn't been uploaded to the repos | 03:16 |
| ohmega | ok | 03:16 |
| ohmega | (is it possible to remove all my spam from the bug report?) | 03:17 |
| boss | So if a package was developed when Feisty was still in beta but is still in REVU, what is the new syntax that the Changelog should reflect? gutsy; urgency=<most likely low> ? | 03:17 |
| pochu | low, yes | 03:17 |
| pochu | just replace feisty with gutsy ;) | 03:17 |
| pochu | afaik, the urgency has no efect in Ubuntu, right? | 03:18 |
| boss | Okay, because I saw feisty-proposed, so that got me wondering. | 03:18 |
| Fujitsu | ohmega: They are immutable, so no. | 03:18 |
| Fujitsu | pochu: That's right. | 03:18 |
| pochu | :) | 03:18 |
| pochu | I wasn't sure, though | 03:18 |
| pochu | now I am | 03:18 |
| ohmega | ok now i think i got everything right: | 03:18 |
| ohmega | http://librarian.launchpad.net/7383809/proposed.debdiff | 03:18 |
| Fujitsu | ohmega: Looks pretty good. | 03:19 |
| ohmega | Great :) | 03:19 |
| pochu | ohmega: good luck! | 03:19 |
| pochu | night folks | 03:19 |
| ohmega | should i notify someone about this? | 03:19 |
| boss | So urgency always = low? | 03:20 |
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| owh | Has anyone got any suggestions on where I go to learn more about how iocharsets work? Specifically, I'm trying to learn how it relates to file system mounting. | 03:29 |
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| ferret_0567 | I would like to say thanks for all of the great software in universe! | 03:32 |
| ferret_0567 | I love BasKet Note Pads, package "basket" | 03:32 |
| ohmega | the requestsponsor script did not work | 03:32 |
| ohmega | the regex parsing of package/version from the diff fails | 03:33 |
| bddebian | ferret_0567: Great, thank you | 03:33 |
| ferret_0567 | Is there any way I can monitor updates to packages in universe? and the most downloaded ones? | 03:33 |
| Fujitsu | ohmega: Just ensure that ubuntu-universe-sponsors is subscribed to the bug. | 03:33 |
| Fujitsu | ferret_0567: You can subscribe to [release codename] -changes to get an email for every change. | 03:34 |
| ferret_0567 | Where is that? | 03:34 |
| ferret_0567 | I want to be notified of all new packages and major version changes | 03:34 |
| Fujitsu | ferret_0567: There's no way to do that at the moment. | 03:35 |
| LaserJock | ferret_0567: lists.ubuntu.com has gutsy-changes and feisty-changes mailing lists | 03:36 |
| LaserJock | ferret_0567: they get emails of every upload | 03:36 |
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| ferret_0567 | I'm playing World of Padman | 03:43 |
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| grayman | hmm | 04:28 |
| grayman | which package cyr is in? | 04:28 |
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| ohmega | ohmega@sonata:~/azureus-test$ cyr | 04:30 |
| ohmega | The program 'cyr' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: | 04:30 |
| ohmega | sudo apt-get install console-cyrillic | 04:30 |
| grayman | aha | 04:30 |
| grayman | thanks | 04:30 |
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| LaserJock | wahoo, I get my sparc on Monday | 04:56 |
| Burgundavia | rocking | 04:56 |
| Burgundavia | from who? | 04:56 |
| LaserJock | a guy in my LUG | 04:59 |
| LaserJock | he's getting rid of an Ultra 10 | 04:59 |
| LaserJock | and he's going to drop it by my lab Monday | 04:59 |
| Burgundavia | very cool | 04:59 |
| LaserJock | I'm not sure what's running on it right now, Solaris or Linux | 05:00 |
| LaserJock | but I'll put an Ubuntu Server install on it and see what happens | 05:00 |
| RAOF | !!! | 05:04 |
| RAOF | Why has democracyplayer registered itself as the default bittorrent program? | 05:04 |
| StevenK | It's assimilating your other programs. | 05:04 |
| LaserJock | RAOF: resistence is futile | 05:05 |
| StevenK | if less than 1 ohm | 05:06 |
| StevenK | :-P | 05:06 |
| LaserJock | lol | 05:06 |
| RAOF | :) | 05:06 |
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| grayman | hm | 05:19 |
| grayman | that resistant is futile reminds me of something heh | 05:35 |
| grayman | s/resistant/resistance | 05:35 |
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| grayman | ah | 05:40 |
| grayman | that vi clipper thing | 05:40 |
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| LaserJock | I see Hobbsee has her Doom stick out on the forums :-) | 05:50 |
| boss | Hmm, this is definitely a bug. | 05:53 |
| boss | http://sial.org/howto/kickstart/partition/desktop -> that kickstart configuration snippet is supposed to get the root filesystem and its underlings to format properly. | 05:53 |
| boss | However, with the Ubuntu alternate install CD providing the ks option the appropriate path seems to work for everything but partitioning. | 05:53 |
| boss | It gets a "No root filesystem defined" error and I can't define a root filesystem because Ubuntu seems to recurse back to that error. | 05:53 |
| boss | If anyone else has seen this error, *please* let me know so that I can report it as a bug to Launchpad. | 05:53 |
| elkbuntu | boss, why not submit it to launchpad now, and then if anyone else has the problem, but has not seen your comments here, they can then comment on it? | 05:58 |
| boss | elkbuntu: Will do. | 05:59 |
| boss | elkbuntu: I want to test it out a bit more. If I can find a solution, I'll post the bug and the hackaround on Launchpad. | 05:59 |
| boss | elkbuntu: Here's another bug that's on Launchpad with medium priority and confirmed, but yet hasn't been assigned to anyone: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/system-config-kickstart/+bug/15156 | 06:02 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 15156 in system-config-kickstart "Error using "--generate" option to system-config-kickstart" [Medium,Confirmed] | 06:02 |
| boss | This error is very close to what I'm getting but not quite it. | 06:02 |
| boss | It's labeled as medium priority and confirmed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kickseed/+bug/48311 | 06:03 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 48311 in kickseed "kickstart partitioning fails with --recommended or --asprimary" [Medium,Confirmed] | 06:03 |
| elkbuntu | if either of those are your problems, make sure you comment on them. the more information the bugs have, the quicker a fix will happen | 06:04 |
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| grayman | so it seems that console-setup is unable to run properly because of usplash | 06:19 |
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| grayman | is there a way to time it after usplash is off? | 06:19 |
| Burgundavia | you can use the bootgraph | 06:20 |
| jdong | Burgundavia: bootchart :) | 06:20 |
| Burgundavia | ya, that is it | 06:20 |
| Hobbsee | LaserJock: yep :D | 06:28 |
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee: Where? | 06:29 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=413733 etc | 06:29 |
| StevenK | It mentions checkinstall! Kill it, it's moving! | 06:34 |
| LaserJock | Hobbsee, Fujitsu: seems like we're tagg-teaming that Gutsy forum ;-) | 06:43 |
| Hobbsee | LaserJock: :D | 06:44 |
| crimsun | at least you guys/gals are being civil. I'm glad I haven't logged in to respond. | 06:50 |
| Fujitsu | crimsun: I often typed a reply, then thought better of it. Some of what I originally wrote wasn't at all civil. | 06:51 |
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| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: heh. i thought yours was great - and clear ot the point | 06:53 |
| Fujitsu | I'd so like to be able to strangle people over the 'net... | 06:53 |
| Hobbsee | haha, yes | 06:54 |
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| ajmitch | Fujitsu: write up a spec about it :) | 07:01 |
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| jdong | Fujitsu: there's a good reiser joke somewhere in your statement... just can't find it this late at night..... | 07:03 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: checkinstall is all you need | 07:03 |
| Fujitsu | jdong: What? | 07:03 |
| jdong | Fujitsu: never mind :) | 07:04 |
| Fujitsu | ajmitch: That's why people are complaining that we don't support it, I guess. | 07:04 |
| Fujitsu | `However, the Ubuntu developers seem to only want support Ubuntu debs.' | 07:04 |
| jdong | UbuntuPortage :) | 07:04 |
| Fujitsu | That has to deserve strangulation. | 07:04 |
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| jdong | lol | 07:05 |
| LaserJock | well, to play devil's advocate | 07:05 |
| LaserJock | it does seem odd that we are all about software freedom and choice | 07:05 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: we'll be sure to forward all the bugs to you | 07:05 |
| LaserJock | and then tell people they can only install software from us | 07:06 |
| ajmitch | that's because we have a fragile system | 07:06 |
| LaserJock | yes | 07:06 |
| crimsun | LaserJock: we don't say that at all. We say that we don't support software not installed from Ubuntu repositories. I think that's a fairly significant distinction. | 07:06 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: well, it's a fine line that many people don't really see | 07:07 |
| LaserJock | I agree that supportability is the main issue | 07:07 |
| crimsun | Right, it's our job to make that distinction very ... distinct. | 07:07 |
| ajmitch | except for upgrades, where that 3rd party software breaks the rest | 07:07 |
| LaserJock | on the other hand, why should we be supporting any of it? | 07:07 |
| LaserJock | it's not our software | 07:07 |
| crimsun | I'm convinced that we're completely missing a for-profit model in here somewhere. | 07:08 |
| LaserJock | heh | 07:08 |
| jdong | crimsun: it's Click N FUN! | 07:08 |
| LaserJock | looking across the spectrum of distros the amount of wasted/duplicated work is staggering | 07:08 |
| Hobbsee | i'm not sure why they seem to think that they need everything in main | 07:08 |
| ajmitch | crimsun: we work, others profit | 07:09 |
| ajmitch | simple | 07:09 |
| Fujitsu | I think it'd be nice if the official and unoffical things were in seperate systems/databases/etc., so third-party stuff couldn't kill an upgrade like that... but that's not going to happen. | 07:09 |
| Fujitsu | jdong: And you wonder why you're not a MOTU? | 07:09 |
| jdong | Fujitsu: it's a joke :) | 07:10 |
| Fujitsu | jdong: Noted, but it's still a forbidden word. | 07:10 |
| crimsun | LaserJock: I've found that unofficial upstream IRC channels tend to foster significant cross-distro cooperation. | 07:10 |
| crimsun | On the other hand, it's quite possible that I have tunnel vision here. | 07:11 |
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| LaserJock | crimsun: but still, imagine if we didn't spend all our time fighting with distro issues and worked on upstream issues | 07:12 |
| LaserJock | I mean, at this moment, I think our system is about as good as we can do | 07:13 |
| LaserJock | but in the future I think we're goint to have to figure something else out | 07:13 |
| crimsun | where "in the future" == "right now" ? | 07:14 |
| LaserJock | hehe, no | 07:14 |
| LaserJock | I think there is value in things like 0install, autopackage, etc. though | 07:15 |
| LaserJock | most often probably learning how *not* to do it | 07:15 |
| Fujitsu | A universal packaging system would be nice, in theory. | 07:15 |
| crimsun | 0install is a really nice thing for users, but it's pretty much a nightmare for us | 07:15 |
| Fujitsu | Does 0install build from source? | 07:16 |
| LaserJock | in essence we just need a standard | 07:16 |
| Fujitsu | We do have one. RPM. | 07:17 |
| crimsun | Fujitsu: nah, it's essentially downloading and caching binariesa | 07:17 |
| crimsun | binaries, even | 07:17 |
| LaserJock | and since I doubt rpm'ers will give in to the .deb domination ... | 07:17 |
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| LaserJock | I imagine it'll end up being some 3rd alternative | 07:17 |
| LaserJock | my vote is for Slackware .tgz ;-) | 07:18 |
| LaserJock | ok, well that was a joke, I didn't mean to kill the channel | 07:20 |
| Burgundavia | bad LaserJock | 07:21 |
| Fujitsu | Who makes the 0install, um, package/0installer thingies? Upstream, or the 0install people? | 07:21 |
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| joejaxx | Fujitsu: hmm? | 07:24 |
| Fujitsu | Is 0install like dpkg, or apt? Is there a central repository like a distribution? | 07:25 |
| crimsun | no | 07:25 |
| crimsun | it's all decentralised | 07:25 |
| _MMA_ | http://wiki.rpath.com/wiki/Conary | 07:25 |
| Fujitsu | So, there's no quality control of any kind? | 07:26 |
| crimsun | not really, no | 07:26 |
| LaserJock | the thing to me is | 07:30 |
| LaserJock | we spend all this time and effort | 07:30 |
| LaserJock | doing things that really should be done once upstream | 07:30 |
| LaserJock | ideally upstream should provide the software in an installable for | 07:31 |
| LaserJock | +m | 07:31 |
| LaserJock | right now, the general Linux model seems to be that upstream authors provide a tarball | 07:31 |
| RAOF | You could possibly extend autotools a bit? It seems that autotools provides almost enough to do automatic generation of sane source packages? | 07:31 |
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| LaserJock | that then goes out to all the distros and they hack it up | 07:32 |
| LaserJock | darn it, how do people end up with a blank sources.list | 07:35 |
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| jdong | LaserJock: (1) set all repos to automatix (2) run dist-upgrader (3) PROFIT! | 07:36 |
| StevenK | s/PROFIT/BROKEN SYSTEM/ | 07:37 |
| jdong | StevenK: that's profit for me! | 07:37 |
| jdong | (kidding :D) | 07:37 |
| jdong | what do you guys think about some mirror locating or even torrenting system for gutsy's upgrader? | 07:38 |
| jdong | from the past couple days patrolling our install/upgrade forum sections; a lot of the upgrade difficulties were unreachable repos, etc | 07:39 |
| LaserJock | obviously we just need a few more DCs around the world :-) | 07:39 |
| Burgundavia | some sort of mirror balancing might work | 07:39 |
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| StevenK | A torrent system for mirrors I don't think will work. | 07:40 |
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| jdong | StevenK: why wouldn't it? | 07:43 |
| jdong | well... there are the people behind firewalls | 07:43 |
| jdong | and even if people do not (cannot due to technical limitations) stick around and seed, the whole swarm still comes out ahead compared to just a single server | 07:44 |
| jdong | nicely executed round-robin DNS would be a good solution too | 07:44 |
| LaserJock | for goodness sakes | 07:44 |
| StevenK | I don't feel mirrored systems like Debian and Ubuntu lend themselves to peer-to-peer. | 07:44 |
| LaserJock | Burgundavia: I'm going to go nuts | 07:44 |
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| Burgundavia | LaserJock: oh? | 07:44 |
| jdong | StevenK: the way I see it.... There are ~700MB of packages we know for sure every Ubuntu user needs to get... in fact, it's the Alternate CD | 07:45 |
| LaserJock | Burgundavia: #edubuntu | 07:45 |
| Burgundavia | ahh | 07:45 |
| jdong | StevenK: have that torrented and populate the apt cache.... | 07:45 |
| jdong | that will at least free up a good chunk of load off the servers | 07:45 |
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| Burgundavia | the challenge would be you would also need to md5 sum every package you got | 07:46 |
| Burgundavia | to prevent malicious poisoning of the packages | 07:46 |
| jdong | Burgundavia: but all packages are PGP signed with the archive key | 07:47 |
| jdong | I t hink a simple hack that would even work today if scripted.... | 07:47 |
| jdong | (1) Download alternate CD from torrent | 07:47 |
| jdong | (2) mount it loopback, cp *.deb /var/cache/apt/archives | 07:47 |
| jdong | (3) get rid of the CD, etc.... | 07:47 |
| jdong | (4) launch upgrader | 07:47 |
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| jdong | that alone should spare the servers of 700MB or so of downloads | 07:48 |
| StevenK | jdong: Yes, that should help;. | 07:50 |
| StevenK | s/;// | 07:50 |
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| RAOF | Hm, it seems that one of gmail & Evolution doesn't like the other. Or rather, doesn't like me trying to download approximately 25K emails over POP | 08:36 |
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| crimsun | someone tell me why I'm supposed to address bug reports using non-Ubuntu kernels (for alsa) | 08:39 |
| crimsun | Linux fallen 2.6.20-gentoo #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Feb 15 02:46:07 EST 2007 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux <-- ?? | 08:39 |
| RAOF | Intriguing. This is on launchpad, presumably? | 08:40 |
| crimsun | bug 108795 | 08:40 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 108795 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Mute Hotkey works but does not mute the sound" [Low,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/108795 | 08:40 |
| crimsun | this is an obvious Reject | 08:40 |
| crimsun | ah, he posted the wrong info | 08:41 |
| crimsun | no wonder. | 08:41 |
| ivoks | specialy if its kernel related | 08:41 |
| ivoks | crimsun: fwiw; this happens to me too with ubuntu kernel | 08:43 |
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| crimsun | ivoks: completely different issue despite similar symptom | 08:43 |
| ivoks | i guess :) | 08:43 |
| crimsun | in your case, the support isn't fully functional in the driver | 08:43 |
| crimsun | in his case, the support doesn't exist _at all_ in the driver. Neither emu10k1 nor ca0106 do it. | 08:44 |
| LaserJock | darn, TheMuso isn't around :( | 08:44 |
| ivoks | yes, but if i change it to PCM, works well | 08:44 |
| crimsun | ivoks: right, we can argue whose responsibility it is (control-center? l-s-2.6.20?) | 08:44 |
| ivoks | right | 08:45 |
| ivoks | i would reject it, with explanation why it is rejected | 08:45 |
| crimsun | 108795 is interesting for other reasons, e.g., it illustrates perfectly bug 94189 | 08:47 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 94189 in alsa-utils "Digital Output jack selected by default on a Soundblaster live" [Wishlist,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94189 | 08:47 |
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| Burgundavia | ajmitch: have you seen https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/bodhi/wiki ?> | 08:47 |
| ferret_0567 | Why is there a low latency Linux kernel image in universe on Feisty? | 08:47 |
| ferret_0567 | It's called "linux-image-lowlatency" | 08:48 |
| RAOF | For hard-core audio app users. | 08:48 |
| Burgundavia | because the multimedai people requested it | 08:48 |
| ferret_0567 | Does it work with the NVIDIA module? Is it good for anything else besides audio editing and video editing? | 08:48 |
| RAOF | For the second part, not really. For the first, presumably. There'd be a linux-restricted-modules-lowlatency, right? | 08:49 |
| crimsun | in multiverse. | 08:49 |
| ferret_0567 | Hmmm...I don't use the Ubuntu supplied NVIDIA module | 08:50 |
| RAOF | That's generally a bad idea. | 08:50 |
| ferret_0567 | I wanted AIGLX in Edgy, so I upgraded it | 08:50 |
| ferret_0567 | It works fine, just don't try using "nv" again | 08:50 |
| RAOF | Aaah, the drive to break systems for eyecandy. I can understand that :) | 08:50 |
| crimsun | We give people plenty of rope with which to hang themselves. :) | 08:51 |
| ferret_0567 | And, err...all I have to do to fix it is to remove all of X and reinstall it? | 08:51 |
| ferret_0567 | Countless KDE packages and all? | 08:51 |
| ferret_0567 | ...my stupidity amazes me | 08:51 |
| ferret_0567 | Well...that's eye candy :-P | 08:52 |
| ajmitch | Burgundavia: can't say I have | 08:52 |
| Burgundavia | ajmitch: looks interesting, if somewaht limited in scope | 08:52 |
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| ajmitch | could be | 08:53 |
| ferret_0567 | I might reinstall, and, when I get my new computer, I'll NOT use the NVIDIA module | 08:53 |
| ferret_0567 | I heard of the nvidia-glx-new package | 08:53 |
| ferret_0567 | I'll use the Ubuntu one instead... | 08:53 |
| RAOF | ferret_0567: You don't have to uninstall X. | 08:54 |
| RAOF | It's actually quite simple, just uninstall the nvidia.com driver (they come with an --uninstall option) | 08:55 |
| RAOF | Then install nvidia-glx-new | 08:55 |
| RAOF | And hope that the nvidia.com driver cleans up after itself correctly :P | 08:55 |
| ferret_0567 | ok | 08:56 |
| ferret_0567 | I'll do that later...after I get my new computer | 08:56 |
| ferret_0567 | It'll be a Intel Core 2 Duo computer | 08:58 |
| ferret_0567 | I checked for compatibility | 08:58 |
| ferret_0567 | Gigabyte 965P-DS3 motherboard | 08:58 |
| ferret_0567 | Stupid JMicron chips on Core 2 Duo compatible motheboards mean that you can't choose just any motherboard | 09:00 |
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| man-di | are merges.ubuntu.com and patches.ubuntu.com gone? | 09:05 |
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| Hobbsee | man-di: they should be there. merges might not be working yet though | 09:07 |
| Burgundavia | Hobbsee: latter is down | 09:09 |
| Hobbsee | ahh | 09:10 |
| StevenK | merges.u.c is refusing connections, too | 09:11 |
| StevenK | It could be that both {patches,merges}.u.c is hosting on casey.u.c | 09:11 |
| Burgundavia | and what is casey doing? | 09:12 |
| StevenK | Not running a webserver like it ought to be? | 09:13 |
| jussi01 | Hello and morning everyone! | 09:14 |
| man-di | okay, is there another way to see differences between Debian und Ubuntu? I wanna request some merges/syncs for Java related packages | 09:15 |
| StevenK | man-di: I'd suggest you wait, given the toolchain for gutsy isn't fully uploaded yet. | 09:16 |
| man-di | StevenK: I work on the Java toolchain (in Debian) | 09:17 |
| man-di | StevenK: so merging might be okay for this | 09:17 |
| man-di | I will speak with doko | 09:17 |
| man-di | thanks | 09:18 |
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| Lamego | hello | 09:24 |
| Lamego | anyone with LAMP installed ? | 09:24 |
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| Lamego | I get this strange problem with phpmyadmin, but I would like someone else to confirm it | 09:25 |
| man-di | Lamego: you dont say anything about your problem. How can someone then confirm it? | 09:27 |
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| Lamego | well, I started by asking if someone has AMP installed, otherwise I will be loosing time explaing the problem :P | 09:27 |
| Lamego | after logging in phpmyadmin, and selection any action on it, i just get redirected to the login page | 09:28 |
| Lamego | I didn't found anything relevant on the logs, and is a very odd behavior | 09:28 |
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| Lamego | I didn't had this problem with phpmyadmin a week ago, at the time I was using 32 bits (now I am with amd64) | 09:29 |
| Lamego | but since there are som many components involved (apache, php, mysql) it's hard to figure where is the problem | 09:30 |
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| jussi01 | morning motu's, I have a question. what is the correct way to create man pages? is there a tutorial somewhere that someone could point me to? | 10:02 |
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| Hobbsee | yes, and i've got no idea what it is | 10:03 |
| Hobbsee | docbook2man or something's oftne used, iirc | 10:03 |
| Hobbsee | ask in #ubuntu-doc if you dont get an asnwer hwere | 10:03 |
| Hobbsee | gah, i cant spell | 10:03 |
| jussi01 | Hobbsee: thanks :D | 10:04 |
| RAOF | There was a package on REVU that I got pointed to which seemed a good example of using docbook2man | 10:05 |
| RAOF | I'll see if I can roust it up. | 10:06 |
| jussi01 | :) | 10:06 |
| RAOF | Alternatively, check out the specto package, which is what I was trying to make a manpage for anyway :) | 10:06 |
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| hyperspace | hi im looking to help out | 10:31 |
| hyperspace | :) | 10:31 |
| Hobbsee | woo :) | 10:31 |
| hyperspace | anyone still awake | 10:31 |
| jussi01 | yay | 10:31 |
| hyperspace | yea been idle in here | 10:31 |
| hyperspace | for a bit | 10:31 |
| === Hobbsee wonders how people can help out at the moment | ||
| === hyperspace wonders how to start! | ||
| jussi01 | learn to package..... | 10:31 |
| hyperspace | killer | 10:31 |
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| hyperspace | been lookin @ those docs | 10:32 |
| hyperspace | :) | 10:32 |
| Hobbsee | hyperspace: what do you want to do? put a new package into ubuntu, fix an existing one? | 10:32 |
| hyperspace | whatever i can | 10:32 |
| hyperspace | document/package/whatever | 10:32 |
| Hobbsee | hmmm.... | 10:32 |
| === Hobbsee wishes the toolchain was built | ||
| hyperspace | i woouldnt mind starting out learning to pkg | 10:32 |
| jussi01 | hyperspace: you sound like me... a couple of months ago | 10:33 |
| hyperspace | how are ya doing now? | 10:33 |
| jussi01 | hyperspace: a good packaging guide: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-scratch.html | 10:33 |
| hyperspace | i use this os @ work and home and love it | 10:33 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 10:33 |
| hyperspace | ive stuck with it longer than any distro | 10:33 |
| jussi01 | hyperspace: getting there... Im involved | 10:33 |
| hyperspace | from server to notebook :) | 10:33 |
| hyperspace | http://wizardsleeve.com/tb0x.png | 10:33 |
| Hobbsee | sheesh! | 10:34 |
| jussi01 | nice!! | 10:34 |
| hyperspace | you guys do an insane job | 10:34 |
| hyperspace | and i want in on it | 10:34 |
| hyperspace | great work | 10:34 |
| hyperspace | i must learn the patterns :) | 10:34 |
| jussi01 | hehe, excellent!! | 10:34 |
| hyperspace | must push patterns into work infrastructure | 10:34 |
| Hobbsee | hyperspace: probably at the moment, i'd pick a new package that looks interesting, and package it | 10:34 |
| Hobbsee | once the toolchain, etc, is built for gutsy, we can do merges, etc | 10:35 |
| hyperspace | ok im running feisty on notebook and edgy on everything else | 10:35 |
| RAOF | Or find a bug on launchpad that looks interesting and fix it? | 10:35 |
| jussi01 | yeah, Im with Hobbsee there... | 10:35 |
| Hobbsee | RAOF: more work, if it's just about to be merged again | 10:35 |
| Hobbsee | (and pointless if debian has done the fix) | 10:35 |
| RAOF | Eh, true. Well, you could try fixing Debain's bugs :) | 10:36 |
| Hobbsee | then again, the new packaging teaches you a lot, which you then use in everything else | 10:36 |
| === Hobbsee kicks the wiki - load faster! | ||
| hyperspace | yea | 10:36 |
| hyperspace | looks fun | 10:36 |
| jussi01 | packaging is fun... | 10:37 |
| jussi01 | I like it :D | 10:37 |
| hyperspace | :D | 10:37 |
| RAOF | I actually like bug fixing more, somewhat surprisingly | 10:37 |
| === RAOF should do more of it :) | ||
| jussi01 | btw, back to the docbook2man issue, i got that installed, but how the heck do i install/run docbook.... | 10:38 |
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| jussi01 | :P | 10:38 |
| RAOF | jussi01: "apt-get source specto" :{ | 10:38 |
| RAOF | :P | 10:38 |
| Hobbsee | jussi01: dunno. check the manpage, maybe? | 10:38 |
| RAOF | Alternatively, for the impatient: docbook2x-man debian/man/specto.docbook | 10:39 |
| RAOF | Will take "debian/man/specto.docbook" and make "specto.1" in the current directory. | 10:39 |
| jussi01 | RAOF: yeah, i figured how to use it, but how do i get the dockbook file in the first place... thats the question... | 10:40 |
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| RAOF | Oh, I used emacs. | 10:40 |
| jussi01 | will kate do it???? | 10:40 |
| RAOF | Yeah, it's just XML. | 10:40 |
| jussi01 | oh....ok then.... | 10:40 |
| Hobbsee | kate does everything :) | 10:40 |
| RAOF | Use an existing file for a base, and just fill the stuff in :) | 10:40 |
| jussi01 | existing file? | 10:41 |
| RAOF | such as debian/man/specto.docbook :) | 10:41 |
| jussi01 | ok :D | 10:41 |
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| Hobbsee | hyperspace: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New should help, if it ever loads | 10:49 |
| === Hobbsee pedals faster | ||
| hyperspace | cool | 10:50 |
| hyperspace | reading packaging guide | 10:50 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 10:51 |
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| Hobbsee | Reiser4 support is still not in Ubuntu, thereby forcing people using it to build custom kernels. | 10:52 |
| Hobbsee | is this true? | 10:52 |
| === Hobbsee thought it was in the installer | ||
| RAOF | Reiser4 support *still* isn't in the mainline kernel, right? | 10:52 |
| RAOF | It's lying around in -mm, and has been for *ages*? | 10:53 |
| Hobbsee | no idea | 10:53 |
| RAOF | We've got the tools for it, but I don't think the kernel's built with reiser4 support. | 10:54 |
| Burgundavia | nope, reiser4 ain't mainlined | 10:54 |
| RAOF | Yeah, thought so. | 10:54 |
| Burgundavia | which pretty much means ubuntu isnt going to get it | 10:54 |
| Burgundavia | unless some huge customer comes along and gives canonical mega dollars for it | 10:55 |
| ivoks | :) | 10:55 |
| RAOF | Which seems unlikely. Cool as it is, it's not *that* cool :) | 10:55 |
| Burgundavia | it is an fsck-ing filesystem | 10:56 |
| Burgundavia | how "cool" can it be? | 10:56 |
| ivoks | Burgundavia: hype | 10:56 |
| RAOF | Well, it *could* magically make disc access instantaneous :) | 10:56 |
| Hobbsee | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/108844 is the bug | 10:57 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 108844 in Ubuntu "Reiser4 is still not in Ubuntu." [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 10:57 |
| RAOF | It seems to have some interesting ideas on the filesystem front. | 10:57 |
| RAOF | Particularly, metadata/extended attributes-as-directory-hierachy. | 10:57 |
| RAOF | Who wants to reject the bug, then :) | 10:58 |
| Hobbsee | you | 10:59 |
| Burgundavia | can I? | 10:59 |
| RAOF | If you want to. | 10:59 |
| Hobbsee | Burgundavia: go for it :P | 11:00 |
| jussi01 | where's jdong with his reiser jokes.... | 11:01 |
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| Burgundavia | kernel bugs should be on meta, no? | 11:01 |
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| Hobbsee | or linux-source-###### | 11:02 |
| Burgundavia | I chose feisty's kernel | 11:03 |
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| afflux | eclipse-platform is not installable without installing java-gcj-compat. (in the depends it says: java-gcj-compat | java1-runtime | java2-runtime, I have sun-java6-jre installed which provides java2-runtime) | 11:09 |
| man-di | afflux: then it should work | 11:10 |
| afflux | well, the problem is: it depends on libtomcat5.5-java which depends on java-gcj-compat (and in this case onl yon java-gcj-compat) | 11:10 |
| jussi01 | hmmm, is the author me? or the program author? | 11:11 |
| man-di | afflux: oh right, that is one of the differgences to Debian (and it breaks stuff like this) | 11:12 |
| man-di | afflux: I will request a merge/sync | 11:12 |
| jussi01 | (for the man pages) | 11:13 |
| afflux | man-di: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/5383 was the initial question... can you post a link to the bug here? | 11:14 |
| afflux | *there | 11:14 |
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| jekil | hello | 02:01 |
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| gpocentek | hi jekil | 02:14 |
| gpocentek | hi all | 02:14 |
| Hobbsee | hi gpocentek | 02:15 |
| gpocentek | hello Hobbsee | 02:16 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 03:10 |
| mr_pouit | hi bddebian | 03:10 |
| bddebian | Hello mr_pouit | 03:10 |
| nixternal | boo | 03:10 |
| bddebian | ahhh | 03:11 |
| nixternal | hehe | 03:11 |
| bddebian | Heya nixternal | 03:11 |
| nixternal | mornin' sir | 03:11 |
| bddebian | nixternal: You can't do that to me when I haven't woken up yet :-) | 03:11 |
| nixternal | it seems people want to learn how to package this morning for the LUG event, so it looks like I will put on my wannabe-MOTU hat and teach them what I can | 03:11 |
| nixternal | so if I am in here later asking questions, answer them promptly or suffer ;) | 03:12 |
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| white | anybody here familiar with wine? (i try to get c+c2 working, haven't played it for ages :) ) | 03:23 |
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| === Fujitsu waves to white. | ||
| white | hi :) | 03:28 |
| === Fujitsu knows nothing about white. | ||
| Fujitsu | s/white/wine./ | 03:28 |
| white | that thing tells me it can't find the "necessary files", but i have no clue why | 03:28 |
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| Hobbsee | hi white. \sh_away is | 03:33 |
| white | hi Hobbsee :) | 03:34 |
| Hobbsee | hey white :) | 03:35 |
| white | it seems it is not my day :( | 03:36 |
| Hobbsee | awww | 03:37 |
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| dqdev | \list | 03:48 |
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| dqdev | hello all | 03:51 |
| dqdev | does anyboy have some time | 03:51 |
| dqdev | to help a newbie on some bug-fixing quuestion? | 03:51 |
| Hobbsee | shoot | 03:51 |
| Hobbsee | !ask | dqdev | 03:51 |
| ubotu | dqdev: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :) | 03:51 |
| dqdev | it's my first bug so be patient | 03:51 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 03:51 |
| dqdev | i m trying to fix the very simple bug | 03:52 |
| dqdev | #80474 | 03:52 |
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| dqdev | where there is a .desktop file missing | 03:52 |
| dqdev | i created the .desktop file | 03:53 |
| dqdev | according to some others I saw | 03:53 |
| dqdev | then i moved the ketm.desktop | 03:53 |
| dqdev | to the source folder | 03:54 |
| bddebian | Put it in the /debian dir if there wasn't one at all before | 03:54 |
| dqdev | hmmm | 03:54 |
| dqdev | ok... maybe that was my mistake | 03:55 |
| bddebian | Well it shouldn't hurt anything, it's just not "good form" | 03:55 |
| dqdev | i ll try that again | 03:55 |
| dqdev | then something else | 03:55 |
| dqdev | i did that | 03:55 |
| dqdev | and then followed all the directions | 03:55 |
| dqdev | in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToFix | 03:56 |
| bddebian | OK | 03:56 |
| dqdev | the thing is that ketm has a patches folder, but I got a little bit confused there and decided to ignore it and follow the steps as if it didn't have | 03:57 |
| bddebian | Shouldn't need a patch for a distro supplied file | 03:57 |
| dqdev | i m not following here | 03:57 |
| bddebian | Did you add things to debian/rules and/or .install files and such to actually install the .desktop file? | 03:57 |
| dqdev | no :$ | 03:58 |
| bddebian | dqdev: Are you talking about /debian/patches ? | 03:58 |
| dqdev | yes | 03:58 |
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| bddebian | Not necessary in this case | 03:58 |
| dqdev | i did the following | 03:58 |
| dqdev | i created the .desktop file | 03:58 |
| dqdev | mv to the ketm-0.0.6/ | 03:59 |
| dqdev | and then created a patch file as https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToFix | 03:59 |
| dqdev | points | 03:59 |
| dqdev | and then i just followed | 03:59 |
| dqdev | what the site says | 03:59 |
| dqdev | sudo apt-get build-dep ketm | 04:00 |
| dqdev | debuild -us -uc | 04:00 |
| dqdev | sudo dpkg -i ketm.deb | 04:00 |
| dqdev | Am I missing smthng or doing smthng wrong? | 04:00 |
| bddebian | You don't need a patch in this case because you aren't "patching" any source files, you are adding a new file unrelated to the upstream source | 04:00 |
| dqdev | ok, I see now... | 04:00 |
| bddebian | create the .desktop in ketm-0.0.6/debian | 04:00 |
| dqdev | ok | 04:00 |
| bddebian | Tell debian/rules to install the file to /usr/share/applications (there are a few different ways to do this) | 04:01 |
| bddebian | Check the package you looked at the .desktop file to see how they "install" the .desktop file | 04:01 |
| dqdev | ok | 04:02 |
| dqdev | and then? | 04:02 |
| bddebian | Some use dh_desktop. Many just do install -m ... | 04:02 |
| bddebian | Then build your deb and see if the .desktop file is truly in it. I usually use dpkg-deb -c <foo>.deb |grep desktop | 04:02 |
| bddebian | Better yet, intall your .deb and make sure it works ;-P | 04:03 |
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| dqdev | great instructions | 04:03 |
| dqdev | thanks bddebian | 04:03 |
| bddebian | NP | 04:03 |
| dqdev | some last question (I swear) | 04:03 |
| bddebian | np | 04:03 |
| dqdev | you said that I have to tell rules | 04:04 |
| dqdev | to install | 04:04 |
| dqdev | the .desktop file | 04:04 |
| dqdev | and that there are several ways to do that | 04:04 |
| bddebian | Yep | 04:04 |
| dqdev | like dh desktop | 04:04 |
| dqdev | is there some manual on how to do that? Is it included in the packaging guide? | 04:05 |
| bddebian | I'm not sure tbh, sorry | 04:05 |
| dqdev | ok... I ll see what I can find online | 04:05 |
| bddebian | The best thing to do is check the build system of the package to see how they are doing things. I.E., does it have .dirs and .install files | 04:05 |
| bddebian | And there's always "man dh_desktop" ;) | 04:07 |
| dqdev | they have .dirs | 04:07 |
| dqdev | hehe... right | 04:07 |
| dqdev | i ll check that! | 04:07 |
| bddebian | Actually I might be wrong, I don't think dh_desktop will actually "install" the desktop file | 04:07 |
| dqdev | thanks a million! | 04:08 |
| bddebian | I mean dh_install. | 04:08 |
| dqdev | yes | 04:08 |
| dqdev | install -m | 04:08 |
| dqdev | ? | 04:08 |
| bddebian | That works too | 04:09 |
| shawarma | bddebian: You scared him away! | 04:10 |
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| bddebian | Doh :'-( | 04:10 |
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| elkbuntu | has anyone seen sivang around lately? | 04:25 |
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| shawarma | elkbuntu: 16:33 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Last Seen: 6 weeks 2 days (3h 51m 21s) ago | 04:33 |
| shawarma | elkbuntu: sivang, that is. | 04:33 |
| elkbuntu | shawarma, yep, thats the kind of thing i'm finding too, but i didnt know if he had a different nick or what | 04:34 |
| shawarma | elkbuntu: Yes, I suppose that's possible. No, I haven't seem him around for ages. | 04:34 |
| elkbuntu | in my logs, i'm seeing no -motu since january, no -devel since march | 04:34 |
| elkbuntu | whelp, emailed as per LP. not much else i can do :) | 04:42 |
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| DarkSun88 | Hi all | 04:47 |
| mr_pouit | hi DarkSun88 | 04:49 |
| DarkSun88 | mr_pouit: Hi | 04:49 |
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| Hobbsee | elkbuntu: poke | 05:18 |
| elkbuntu | eep, it's a Hobbsee | 05:18 |
| Hobbsee | elkbuntu: it is. ROAR!!!! | 05:18 |
| Hobbsee | elkbuntu: anyway, see -devel | 05:18 |
| Hobbsee | shawarma: too | 05:18 |
| elkbuntu | Hobbsee, i see him here too ;) | 05:19 |
| === elkbuntu pokes sivang | ||
| sivang | hey elkbuntu | 05:19 |
| elkbuntu | sivang, did you get my email? | 05:20 |
| sivang | elkbuntu: are you Melissa ? | 05:20 |
| elkbuntu | i am indeed | 05:20 |
| Hobbsee | sivang: no, she's a strange person. | 05:20 |
| Hobbsee | sivang: she's definetly not Melissa | 05:20 |
| sivang | ah-ha! pleased to meet you my dear lady | 05:20 |
| === elkbuntu bops hobbsee over the head | ||
| elkbuntu | :) | 05:20 |
| === Hobbsee bobs elkbuntu right back | ||
| Hobbsee | remember, you have to fly wiht me!!! :P | 05:20 |
| sivang | i have just responded to it | 05:20 |
| sivang | Hobbsee: fly where? | 05:21 |
| elkbuntu | righto | 05:21 |
| === Hobbsee cant spell | ||
| Hobbsee | sivang: spain. UDS | 05:21 |
| elkbuntu | sivang, the evil aussie girls are being let loose in spain | 05:21 |
| Hobbsee | less than 2 weeks! | 05:21 |
| sivang | oh good for you ! | 05:21 |
| === Hobbsee muhahahaha's | ||
| sivang | too bad I will not meet you there :-( | 05:21 |
| sivang | Hobbsee: I take it you are being sponsord after working on THOUSANDS of packaes? :) | 05:22 |
| Hobbsee | sivang: yeah. and you'd better come. :P. i think geser's done more than me now, though | 05:22 |
| sivang | Hobbsee: hehe, I wish , but don't think so - unless amiracle happens | 05:23 |
| Q-FUNK | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/108556 | 05:23 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 108556 in upgrade-system "KDECdromProgressAdapter instance has no attribute 'progressbar'" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 05:23 |
| Q-FUNK | anybody would know to which package this bug really belongs to? | 05:24 |
| sivang | Hobbsee: maybe I can toos upon you to continue my hubackup legacy and bring it up to speed ?:) | 05:24 |
| Hobbsee | sivang: my python skills arnet great | 05:24 |
| sivang | Hobbsee: an oppurtunity ! | 05:24 |
| sivang | :p | 05:24 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 05:24 |
| Hobbsee | Q-FUNK: looks like the kubuntu dist-upgrader | 05:25 |
| Hobbsee | which may be update-manager or part of adept | 05:25 |
| Hobbsee | i'd probably put it under adept | 05:25 |
| Hobbsee | maybe update-manager...hmmm | 05:25 |
| sivang | anyway folks, thanks for the warm welcome - nice to see someone still remembers :p | 05:25 |
| Q-FUNK | defintely some K thingie, but I have no idea which one | 05:25 |
| === sivang goes to kill something to eat | ||
| Q-FUNK | feel free to reassign | 05:25 |
| Hobbsee | sivang: of course we do | 05:25 |
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| Hobbsee | Q-FUNK: done | 05:26 |
| sivang | elkbuntu: see my email, we need to get a hold of smurf . anyway laters | 05:27 |
| elkbuntu | sivang, email hasnt arrived yet, i'll look in the morning | 05:27 |
| elkbuntu | g'nite all | 05:27 |
| sivang | (I actually forgot his his real name) | 05:27 |
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| === sivang is getting old | ||
| elkbuntu | matthias | 05:27 |
| sivang | elkbuntu: yes, but the last name ? :) | 05:27 |
| elkbuntu | um.. i always confuse the matthias' | 05:28 |
| sivang | indeed. | 05:28 |
| sivang | that is what happens to me as well | 05:28 |
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| sivang | say folks, do you know if the conference sponsorship are still on ? | 05:28 |
| sivang | (e.g. one can apply) | 05:28 |
| elkbuntu | i'd say they're done by now. it's less than a week away | 05:28 |
| Hobbsee | they didnt let us contact them this time - they contacted us | 05:28 |
| sivang | Hobbsee: there was no wiki page to apply in ? | 05:29 |
| Hobbsee | sivang: correct | 05:29 |
| sivang | oh dear | 05:29 |
| sivang | it is getting *harer* :-p | 05:29 |
| elkbuntu | with good reason | 05:29 |
| sivang | oh, what has changed since last time ? | 05:30 |
| sivang | elkbuntu: ^^ | 05:30 |
| Hobbsee | harer? | 05:30 |
| sivang | ERROR: word not understood | 05:31 |
| sivang | harder , hehe | 05:31 |
| sivang | Hobbsee: I said I was getting older :p | 05:31 |
| Hobbsee | haha | 05:31 |
| elkbuntu | sponsoring people is a cost, and the easier it is to apply, the easier it is to over-indulge ;) | 05:32 |
| sivang | indeed, anyway time for me to over-indulge myself with some food ! | 05:32 |
| sivang | latter | 05:32 |
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| elkbuntu | he goes, his email arrives | 05:33 |
| elkbuntu | typical | 05:33 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 05:34 |
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| poningru | any reason why deluge package was taken out of feisty? | 05:55 |
| Hobbsee | poningru: a) was it taken out of debian? b) did you check for bug reports? | 05:55 |
| Hobbsee | iirc because it was utterly broken - but that may be something else | 05:55 |
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| poningru | Hobbsee: it originated in ubuntu not sure if it ever made to debian | 05:56 |
| Amaranth | I vote for "it was utterly broken" | 05:56 |
| Hobbsee | (those are the usual things to check for, for missing packages) | 05:56 |
| Amaranth | and at most an alpha/tech-preview | 05:56 |
| poningru | oh hmm | 05:57 |
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| ph1zzle | hey all | 09:27 |
| ph1zzle | I have a odd question. I am trying to compile a library and it tells me two other libraries are too old of a version even though I compiled the newest ones just minutes before, this happens on two different computers, one with dapper server and one with feisty desktop, does any one know if I am missing a package or maybe doing something else wrong that I don't know about | 09:28 |
| ph1zzle | ? | 09:28 |
| ph1zzle | any help would be greatly appreciated | 09:28 |
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| danohuiginn | ph1zzle: is the library you're trying to compile in ubuntu? do you have all the build-dependencies installed? | 09:32 |
| danohuiginn | what are the libraries that are giving you problems? | 09:32 |
| ph1zzle | the library I am trying to install is libtunepimp from musicbrainz.org and the libs that are giving me trouble are libofa from musicip.org and libmusicbrainz from musicbrainz | 09:34 |
| ph1zzle | is there a way in which ./configure checks version numbers of shared libs? something I can run from the command line? | 09:34 |
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| ph1zzle | is there a way in which ./configure checks version numbers of shared libs? something I can run from the command line? | 09:38 |
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| danohuiginn | personally, I don't know. are you able to install the ubuntu-packaged version of libtunepimp? | 09:40 |
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| ph1zzle | yes but it is useless for what I need as it's missing puid which comes in the source tatball | 09:45 |
| ph1zzle | although I would like to know how it was compiled | 09:46 |
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| danohuiginn | well, you can use 'apt-get source libtunepimp' to get the ubuntu source, and have a look at that | 09:47 |
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| ph1zzle | huh, really? | 09:49 |
| ph1zzle | thats cool | 09:49 |
| ph1zzle | ok, me takes a peek | 09:50 |
| danohuiginn | :) | 09:50 |
| danohuiginn | the ubuntu- and debian- specific bits will be in the debian/ subdir | 09:50 |
| Adri2000 | should I assign universe security bugs to motu-swat? | 10:00 |
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| Artemis3 | Sorry if i'm bothering, proposed Edgy package: update-manager 0.45.3 doesn't show the update to 7.04 button anymore, is this intentional? downgrading to 0.45.2 still shows the button. | 10:16 |
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| sacater | when i get a server, im going to give everyone here an account, and screen, so we dont get logging in and out :( | 11:20 |
| danohuiginn | sacater: amen to that. first ubuntu bug I ever fixed was the gaim plugin to ignore join/part messages ;) | 11:22 |
| sacater | im serious, all i need is a server :P | 11:22 |
| sacater | id happily give motu's an account | 11:22 |
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| sacater | ssh keys.. | 11:23 |
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| grayman | heh | 11:25 |
| grayman | gaim is still buggy | 11:25 |
| grayman | refuses to stop blinking in the panel until you type a message | 11:26 |
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