[12:22] <ohmega> is there any reason why the startup bug in azureus is not being fixed? it seems ridiculous to keep a package in universe that does not work when upstream works fine.
[12:22] <ohmega> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/azureus/+bug/57875
[12:22] <ubotu> Malone bug 57875 in azureus "Azureus does not start" [High,Confirmed]  
[12:24] <Fujitsu> ohmega: Why not fix it?
[12:25] <jdong> ohmega: I thought that was fixed in Feisty
[12:25] <ohmega> I still have this problem with feisty.
[12:26] <jdong> my Azureus starts fine with Sun Java6... but of course crashes in compiz and beryl
[12:26] <crimsun> that bug report is absolutely awful
[12:27] <crimsun> no less than four of the comments are vitriolic and contribute absolutely zero to the debugging
[12:27] <Fujitsu> crimsun: How? I darenm't look at them any more.
[12:27] <crimsun> further, there appear to be at least three different reports munged into that one bug report
[12:28] <crimsun> ohmega: which of those issues are you experiencing?
[12:28] <ohmega> the consensus seems to be that 2.5.0.4 works for everyone, why bother with an older version then?
[12:28] <jdong> ohmega: an upstream 2.5.0.4 works for everyone, as does an upstream 2.5.0.0; the problem seems to be the build process
[12:29] <jdong> ohmega: we do not upload binary packages to Universe... they must build with the gcj Java stack, and apparently there is an error in our build process....
[12:29] <ohmega> oh ok
[12:29] <jdong> so now the million dollar question is... why is it broken? :D
[12:29] <crimsun> some people report it's the branding patch
[12:29] <Fujitsu> Because it's Azureus.
[12:30] <crimsun> if it's as simple as reverting its application, then we can do an SRU
[12:30] <jdong> I guess it's worth a shot to set up some -proposed packages with that, and see if it fixes anything
[12:30] <ohmega> hm, i'll try building it without the patch then perhaps
[12:30] <jdong> maybe a pre-proposed package :)
[12:32] <Fujitsu> Maybe fix it in Gutsy first, then confirm that it actually works?
[12:32] <jdong> does the compiler stack work in Gutsy yet?
[12:33] <jdong> gcj seems like russian roulette at times
[12:36] <ohmega> this is strange, build-dep for azureus fails. where do i get libswt-gtk-3.2-java?
[12:37] <ohmega> oh sorry. never mind.
[12:54] <ohmega> hm, so if i don't apply all the ubuntu patches when i build the azureus package it works fine.
[12:54] <ohmega> thus the build process argument seems to be incorrect.
[12:54] <ohmega> (it crashed on my setup when i built my own package with the patches)
[12:55] <jdong> ohmega: you have a gig of RAM?
[12:55] <jdong> gcj seems to need a good gig of RAM to put it together
[12:55] <ohmega> uhm?
[12:55] <ohmega> i don't know how much it used. i have 2 GB
[12:55] <jdong> ok
[12:56] <ohmega> i suppose i'll just apply the patches one by one and rebuild the package till it fails now..
[01:00] <ohmega> ah.. finally i get some use out of all these cs classes ;)
[01:08] <ohmega> bad patch identified! :)
[01:11] <tenshu> hello there =) someone can tell me when uplod to gutsy will be opened?
[01:12] <ohmega> ok, who do i tell to pull this bogus patch out of azureus so we can have a working azureus in universe?
[01:13] <crimsun> "us"
[01:13] <ohmega> ok, remove 07_azureus-themed.dpatch then
[01:13] <ohmega> please :)
[01:13] <crimsun> right, I stated that above.
[01:14] <ohmega> oh you did, i didn't notice?
[01:15] <crimsun> tenshu: we can upload already, but buildds won't process anything.
[01:15] <tenshu> okay crimsun can i start to upload new package to REVU?
[01:16] <crimsun> tenshu: revu is not tied to the Ubuntu upload infrastructure. You can upload anytime to revu (as long as your email+key are in the revu uploaders keyring)
[01:17] <tenshu> ok =) thank you crimsun
[01:17] <ohmega> crimsun: will you upload a new azureus?
[01:23] <ohmega> or should i prepare a new package myself and send to someone?
[01:24] <crimsun> ohmega: follow SRU procedure. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU
[01:35] <bddebian> Heya gang
[01:44] <ohmega> are ubuntu packages in a RCS somewhere so i can look at previous changesets to a package?
[01:45] <nixternal> permission to remove sharms and his weakenedbash script from civilization?
[01:48] <LaserJock> nixternal: now now
[01:48] <LaserJock> ohmega: you can grab the previous version from Launchpad
[01:49] <ohmega> ah ok.
[02:05] <ohmega> do i need the ~proposed suffix for my package or is it ok just to rebuild it with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot?
[02:06] <LaserJock> are you doing an SRU?
[02:06] <ohmega> yes
[02:07] <ohmega> or well i don't have any sponsore
[02:07] <ohmega> -e
[02:07] <LaserJock> then you'll want ~proposed1 in the version
[02:07] <ohmega> ok sigh, complete rebuild then
[02:07] <ohmega> ;)
[02:08] <ohmega> do i add the ~proposed1 thing in the changelog or do i do it with dpkg-buildpackage?
[02:11] <LaserJock> ohmega: changelog
[02:11] <ohmega> can i just edit the changelog manually or must it be done with the tool?
[02:12] <LaserJock> it's best to do it with dch -i
[02:12] <LaserJock> just to make sure the formating is correct
[02:12] <ohmega> oh i already have an entry, it's just the version number that's not correct (no ~proposed1)
[02:13] <LaserJock> ah
[02:13] <LaserJock> then just plain editing is fine
[02:13] <ohmega> ok good :)
[02:15] <ohmega> who is my sponsor?
[02:15] <LaserJock> you need to have a MOTU check out the changes
[02:16] <LaserJock> the general way to do that is to subscribe the ubuntu-universe-sponsors team to thebug
[02:18] <ohmega> ok, done
[02:37] <ohmega> where do i upload to?
[02:38] <crimsun> attach the debdiff to the bug repotr.
[02:38] <crimsun> report, even.
[02:40] <ohmega> i generated these .build files etc
[02:40] <crimsun> you should have two .dscs and two .diff.gzs
[02:41] <ohmega> yes
[02:41] <crimsun> debdiff old.dsc new.dsc > new.debdiff
[02:42] <ohmega> ah ok.
[02:45] <ohmega> crimsun: ok, done.
[02:45] <ohmega> anything else I should do?
[02:45] <ohmega> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/azureus/+bug/57875
[02:45] <ubotu> Malone bug 57875 in azureus "Azureus does not start" [High,Confirmed]  
[02:46] <pochu> ohmega: wait for a motu to review it ;)
[02:46] <crimsun> ohmega: have you verified that is doesn't crash after several minutes?
[02:46] <crimsun> s/is/it/
[02:47] <boss> Hello. How is kickstart integration going into Ubuntu so far?
[02:47] <crimsun> ohmega: also, you shouldn't /remove/ the dpatch. Just don't /apply/ it. In other words, the only change necessary is to remove the dpatch from debian/patches/00list.
[02:47] <ohmega> ok
[02:47] <boss> I'd love to see something like this: http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/custom-guide/s1-redhat-config-kickstart-pkgs.html in Ubuntu.
[02:48] <boss> It only shows ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop as of right now I believe.
[03:02] <ohmega> crimsun: ok, how does it look now?
[03:04] <crimsun> ohmega: the distribution should be feisty-proposed, not feisty
[03:05] <ohmega> +azureus (2.5.0.0repack1-0ubuntu2~proposed2) feisty-proposed; urgency=low then?
[03:06] <crimsun> ohmega: also, use the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClosingBugsFromChangelog syntax (LP: #57875)
[03:06] <crimsun> yes
[03:08] <ajmitch> what a version
[03:09] <Fujitsu> That's nothing.
[03:09] <Fujitsu> 2.5.0.0repack1-0ubuntu0.6.10~proposed1
[03:10] <Fujitsu> Hm, that versioning is wrong, ohmega... It should be -0ubuntu1.1
[03:10] <ohmega> wtf?
[03:10] <Fujitsu> Updates to stable releases use -XubuntuY.Z
[03:10] <ohmega> ok
[03:10] <Fujitsu> (and a ~proposed1 on the end of that for proposed)\
[03:13] <ohmega> are my other attachments to the bug report proposals so that this next version is proposed3 or are they still proposed1?
[03:15] <ohmega> http://librarian.launchpad.net/7383802/proposed3.debdiff
[03:15] <pochu> ohmega: proposed1
[03:16] <pochu> since it hasn't been uploaded to the repos
[03:16] <ohmega> ok
[03:17] <ohmega> (is it possible to remove all my spam from the bug report?)
[03:17] <boss> So if a package was developed when Feisty was still in beta but is still in REVU, what is the new syntax that the Changelog should reflect? gutsy; urgency=<most likely low> ?
[03:17] <pochu> low, yes
[03:17] <pochu> just replace feisty with gutsy ;)
[03:18] <pochu> afaik, the urgency has no efect in Ubuntu, right?
[03:18] <boss> Okay, because I saw feisty-proposed, so that got me wondering.
[03:18] <Fujitsu> ohmega: They are immutable, so no.
[03:18] <Fujitsu> pochu: That's right.
[03:18] <pochu> :)
[03:18] <pochu> I wasn't sure, though
[03:18] <pochu> now I am
[03:18] <ohmega> ok now i think i got everything right:
[03:18] <ohmega> http://librarian.launchpad.net/7383809/proposed.debdiff
[03:19] <Fujitsu> ohmega: Looks pretty good.
[03:19] <ohmega> Great :)
[03:19] <pochu> ohmega: good luck!
[03:19] <pochu> night folks
[03:19] <ohmega> should i notify someone about this?
[03:20] <boss> So urgency always = low?
[03:29] <owh> Has anyone got any suggestions on where I go to learn more about how iocharsets work? Specifically, I'm trying to learn how it relates to file system mounting.
[03:32] <ferret_0567> I would like to say thanks for all of the great software in universe!
[03:32] <ferret_0567> I love BasKet Note Pads, package "basket"
[03:32] <ohmega> the requestsponsor script did not work
[03:33] <ohmega> the regex parsing of package/version from the diff fails
[03:33] <bddebian> ferret_0567: Great, thank you
[03:33] <ferret_0567> Is there any way I can monitor updates to packages in universe? and the most downloaded ones?
[03:33] <Fujitsu> ohmega: Just ensure that ubuntu-universe-sponsors is subscribed to the bug.
[03:34] <Fujitsu> ferret_0567: You can subscribe to [release codename] -changes to get an email for every change.
[03:34] <ferret_0567> Where is that?
[03:34] <ferret_0567> I want to be notified of all new packages and major version changes
[03:35] <Fujitsu> ferret_0567: There's no way to do that at the moment.
[03:36] <LaserJock> ferret_0567: lists.ubuntu.com has gutsy-changes and feisty-changes mailing lists
[03:36] <LaserJock> ferret_0567: they get emails of every upload
[03:43] <ferret_0567> I'm playing World of Padman
[04:28] <grayman> hmm
[04:28] <grayman> which package cyr is in?
[04:30] <ohmega> ohmega@sonata:~/azureus-test$ cyr
[04:30] <ohmega> The program 'cyr' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[04:30] <ohmega> sudo apt-get install console-cyrillic
[04:30] <grayman> aha
[04:30] <grayman> thanks
[04:56] <LaserJock> wahoo, I get my sparc on Monday
[04:56] <Burgundavia> rocking
[04:56] <Burgundavia> from who?
[04:59] <LaserJock> a guy in my LUG
[04:59] <LaserJock> he's getting rid of an Ultra 10
[04:59] <LaserJock> and he's going to drop it by my lab Monday
[04:59] <Burgundavia> very cool
[05:00] <LaserJock> I'm not sure what's running on it right now, Solaris or Linux
[05:00] <LaserJock> but I'll put an Ubuntu Server install on it and see what happens
[05:04] <RAOF> !!!
[05:04] <RAOF> Why has democracyplayer registered itself as the default bittorrent program? 
[05:04] <StevenK> It's assimilating your other programs.
[05:05] <LaserJock> RAOF: resistence is futile
[05:06] <StevenK> if less than 1 ohm
[05:06] <StevenK> :-P
[05:06] <LaserJock> lol
[05:06] <RAOF> :)
[05:19] <grayman> hm
[05:35] <grayman> that resistant is futile reminds me of something heh
[05:35] <grayman> s/resistant/resistance
[05:40] <grayman> ah
[05:40] <grayman> that vi clipper thing
[05:50] <LaserJock> I see Hobbsee has her Doom stick out on the forums :-)
[05:53] <boss> Hmm, this is definitely a bug.
[05:53] <boss> http://sial.org/howto/kickstart/partition/desktop -> that kickstart configuration snippet is supposed to get the root filesystem and its underlings to format properly.
[05:53] <boss> However, with the Ubuntu alternate install CD providing the ks option the appropriate path seems to work for everything but partitioning.
[05:53] <boss> It gets a "No root filesystem defined" error and I can't define a root filesystem because Ubuntu seems to recurse back to that error.
[05:53] <boss> If anyone else has seen this error, *please* let me know so that I can report it as a bug to Launchpad.
[05:58] <elkbuntu> boss, why not submit it to launchpad now, and then if anyone else has the problem, but has not seen your comments here, they can then comment on it?
[05:59] <boss> elkbuntu: Will do.
[05:59] <boss> elkbuntu: I want to test it out a bit more. If I can find a solution, I'll post the bug and the hackaround on Launchpad.
[06:02] <boss> elkbuntu: Here's another bug that's on Launchpad with medium priority and confirmed, but yet hasn't been assigned to anyone: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/system-config-kickstart/+bug/15156
[06:02] <ubotu> Malone bug 15156 in system-config-kickstart "Error using "--generate" option to system-config-kickstart" [Medium,Confirmed]  
[06:02] <boss> This error is very close to what I'm getting but not quite it.
[06:03] <boss> It's labeled as medium priority and confirmed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kickseed/+bug/48311
[06:03] <ubotu> Malone bug 48311 in kickseed "kickstart partitioning fails with --recommended or --asprimary" [Medium,Confirmed]  
[06:04] <elkbuntu> if either of those are  your problems, make sure you comment on them. the more information the bugs have, the quicker a fix will happen
[06:19] <grayman> so it seems that console-setup is unable to run properly because of usplash
[06:19] <grayman> is there a way to time it after usplash is off?
[06:20] <Burgundavia> you can use the bootgraph
[06:20] <jdong> Burgundavia: bootchart :)
[06:20] <Burgundavia> ya, that is it
[06:28] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: yep :D
[06:29] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Where?
[06:29] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=413733 etc
[06:34] <StevenK> It mentions checkinstall! Kill it, it's moving!
[06:43] <LaserJock> Hobbsee, Fujitsu: seems like we're tagg-teaming that Gutsy forum ;-)
[06:44] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: :D
[06:50] <crimsun> at least you guys/gals are being civil. I'm glad I haven't logged in to respond.
[06:51] <Fujitsu> crimsun: I often typed a reply, then thought better of it. Some of what I originally wrote wasn't at all civil.
[06:53] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: heh.  i thought yours was great - and clear ot the point
[06:53] <Fujitsu> I'd so like to be able to strangle people over the 'net...
[06:54] <Hobbsee> haha, yes
[07:01] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: write up a spec about it :)
[07:03] <jdong> Fujitsu: there's a good reiser joke somewhere in your statement... just can't find it this late at night.....
[07:03] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: checkinstall is all you need
[07:03] <Fujitsu> jdong: What?
[07:04] <jdong> Fujitsu: never mind :)
[07:04] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: That's why people are complaining that we don't support it, I guess.
[07:04] <Fujitsu> `However, the Ubuntu developers seem to only want support Ubuntu debs.'
[07:04] <jdong> UbuntuPortage :)
[07:04] <Fujitsu> That has to deserve strangulation.
[07:05] <jdong> lol
[07:05] <LaserJock> well, to play devil's advocate
[07:05] <LaserJock> it does seem odd that we are all about software freedom and choice
[07:05] <ajmitch> LaserJock: we'll be sure to forward all the bugs to you
[07:06] <LaserJock> and then tell people they can only install software from us
[07:06] <ajmitch> that's because we have a fragile system
[07:06] <LaserJock> yes
[07:06] <crimsun> LaserJock: we don't say that at all. We say that we don't support software not installed from Ubuntu repositories. I think that's a fairly significant distinction.
[07:07] <LaserJock> crimsun: well, it's a fine line that many people don't really see
[07:07] <LaserJock> I agree that supportability is the main issue
[07:07] <crimsun> Right, it's our job to make that distinction very ... distinct.
[07:07] <ajmitch> except for upgrades, where that 3rd party software breaks the rest
[07:07] <LaserJock> on the other hand, why should we be supporting any of it?
[07:07] <LaserJock> it's not our software
[07:08] <crimsun> I'm convinced that we're completely missing a for-profit model in here somewhere.
[07:08] <LaserJock> heh
[07:08] <jdong> crimsun: it's Click N FUN!
[07:08] <LaserJock> looking across the spectrum of distros the amount of wasted/duplicated work is staggering
[07:08] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure why they seem to think that they need everything in main
[07:09] <ajmitch> crimsun: we work, others profit
[07:09] <ajmitch> simple
[07:09] <Fujitsu> I think it'd be nice if the official and unoffical things were in seperate systems/databases/etc., so third-party stuff couldn't kill an upgrade like that... but that's not going to happen.
[07:09] <Fujitsu> jdong: And you wonder why you're not a MOTU?
[07:10] <jdong> Fujitsu: it's a joke :)
[07:10] <Fujitsu> jdong: Noted, but it's still a forbidden word.
[07:10] <crimsun> LaserJock: I've found that unofficial upstream IRC channels tend to foster significant cross-distro cooperation.
[07:11] <crimsun> On the other hand, it's quite possible that I have tunnel vision here.
[07:12] <LaserJock> crimsun: but still, imagine if we didn't spend all our time fighting with distro issues and worked on upstream issues
[07:13] <LaserJock> I mean, at this moment, I think our system is about as good as we can do
[07:13] <LaserJock> but in the future I think we're goint to have to figure something else out
[07:14] <crimsun> where "in the future" == "right now" ?
[07:14] <LaserJock> hehe, no
[07:15] <LaserJock> I think there is value in things like 0install, autopackage, etc. though
[07:15] <LaserJock> most often probably learning how *not* to do it
[07:15] <Fujitsu> A universal packaging system would be nice, in theory.
[07:15] <crimsun> 0install is a really nice thing for users, but it's pretty much a nightmare for us
[07:16] <Fujitsu> Does 0install build from source?
[07:16] <LaserJock> in essence we just need a standard
[07:17] <Fujitsu> We do have one. RPM.
[07:17] <crimsun> Fujitsu: nah, it's essentially downloading and caching binariesa
[07:17] <crimsun> binaries, even
[07:17] <LaserJock> and since I doubt rpm'ers will give in to the .deb domination ...
[07:17] <LaserJock> I imagine it'll end up being some 3rd alternative
[07:18] <LaserJock> my vote is for Slackware .tgz ;-)
[07:20] <LaserJock> ok, well that was a joke, I didn't mean to kill the channel
[07:21] <Burgundavia> bad LaserJock
[07:21] <Fujitsu> Who makes the 0install, um, package/0installer thingies? Upstream, or the 0install people?
[07:24] <joejaxx> Fujitsu: hmm?
[07:25] <Fujitsu> Is 0install like dpkg, or apt? Is there a central repository like a distribution?
[07:25] <crimsun> no
[07:25] <crimsun> it's all decentralised
[07:25] <_MMA_> http://wiki.rpath.com/wiki/Conary
[07:26] <Fujitsu> So, there's no quality control of any kind?
[07:26] <crimsun> not really, no
[07:30] <LaserJock> the thing to me is
[07:30] <LaserJock> we spend all this time and effort
[07:30] <LaserJock> doing things that really should be done once upstream
[07:31] <LaserJock> ideally upstream should provide the software in an installable for
[07:31] <LaserJock> +m
[07:31] <LaserJock> right now, the general Linux model seems to be that upstream authors provide a tarball
[07:31] <RAOF> You could possibly extend autotools a bit?  It seems that autotools provides almost enough to do automatic generation of sane source packages?
[07:32] <LaserJock> that then goes out to all the distros and they hack it up
[07:35] <LaserJock> darn it, how do people end up with a blank sources.list
[07:36] <jdong> LaserJock: (1) set all repos to automatix  (2) run dist-upgrader (3) PROFIT!
[07:37] <StevenK> s/PROFIT/BROKEN SYSTEM/
[07:37] <jdong> StevenK: that's profit for me!
[07:37] <jdong> (kidding :D)
[07:38] <jdong> what do you guys think about some mirror locating or even torrenting system for gutsy's upgrader?
[07:39] <jdong> from the past couple days patrolling our install/upgrade forum sections; a lot of the upgrade difficulties were unreachable repos, etc
[07:39] <LaserJock> obviously we just need a few more DCs around the world :-)
[07:39] <Burgundavia> some sort of mirror balancing might work
[07:40] <StevenK> A torrent system for mirrors I don't think will work.
[07:43] <jdong> StevenK: why wouldn't it?
[07:43] <jdong> well... there are the people behind firewalls
[07:44] <jdong> and even if people do not (cannot due to technical limitations) stick around and seed, the whole swarm still comes out ahead compared to just a single server
[07:44] <jdong> nicely executed round-robin DNS would be a good solution too
[07:44] <LaserJock> for goodness sakes
[07:44] <StevenK> I don't feel mirrored systems like Debian and Ubuntu lend themselves to peer-to-peer.
[07:44] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: I'm going to go nuts
[07:44] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: oh?
[07:45] <jdong> StevenK: the way I see it.... There are ~700MB of packages we know for sure every Ubuntu user needs to get... in fact, it's the Alternate CD
[07:45] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: #edubuntu
[07:45] <Burgundavia> ahh
[07:45] <jdong> StevenK: have that torrented and populate the apt cache....
[07:45] <jdong> that will at least free up a good chunk of load off the servers
[07:46] <Burgundavia> the challenge would be you would also need to md5 sum every package you got
[07:46] <Burgundavia> to prevent malicious poisoning of the packages
[07:47] <jdong> Burgundavia: but all packages are PGP signed with the archive key
[07:47] <jdong> I t hink a simple hack that would even work today if scripted....
[07:47] <jdong> (1) Download alternate CD from torrent
[07:47] <jdong> (2) mount it loopback, cp *.deb /var/cache/apt/archives
[07:47] <jdong> (3) get rid of the CD, etc....
[07:47] <jdong> (4) launch upgrader
[07:48] <jdong> that alone should spare the servers of 700MB or so of downloads
[07:50] <StevenK> jdong: Yes, that should help;.
[07:50] <StevenK> s/;//
[08:36] <RAOF> Hm, it seems that one of gmail & Evolution doesn't like the other.  Or rather, doesn't like me trying to download approximately 25K emails over POP
[08:39] <crimsun> someone tell me why I'm supposed to address bug reports using non-Ubuntu kernels (for alsa)
[08:39] <crimsun> Linux fallen 2.6.20-gentoo #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Feb 15 02:46:07 EST 2007 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux   <--  ??
[08:40] <RAOF> Intriguing.  This is on launchpad, presumably?
[08:40] <crimsun> bug 108795
[08:40] <ubotu> Malone bug 108795 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Mute Hotkey works but does not mute the sound" [Low,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/108795
[08:40] <crimsun> this is an obvious Reject
[08:41] <crimsun> ah, he posted the wrong info
[08:41] <crimsun> no wonder.
[08:41] <ivoks> specialy if its kernel related
[08:43] <ivoks> crimsun: fwiw; this happens to me too with ubuntu kernel
[08:43] <crimsun> ivoks: completely different issue despite similar symptom
[08:43] <ivoks> i guess :)
[08:43] <crimsun> in your case, the support isn't fully functional in the driver
[08:44] <crimsun> in his case, the support doesn't exist _at all_ in the driver. Neither emu10k1 nor ca0106 do it.
[08:44] <LaserJock> darn, TheMuso isn't around :(
[08:44] <ivoks> yes, but if i change it to PCM, works well
[08:44] <crimsun> ivoks: right, we can argue whose responsibility it is (control-center? l-s-2.6.20?)
[08:45] <ivoks> right
[08:45] <ivoks> i would reject it, with explanation why it is rejected
[08:47] <crimsun> 108795 is interesting for other reasons, e.g., it illustrates perfectly bug 94189
[08:47] <ubotu> Malone bug 94189 in alsa-utils "Digital Output jack selected by default on a Soundblaster live" [Wishlist,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/94189
[08:47] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: have you seen https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/bodhi/wiki ?>
[08:47] <ferret_0567> Why is there a low latency Linux kernel image in universe on Feisty?
[08:48] <ferret_0567> It's called "linux-image-lowlatency"
[08:48] <RAOF> For hard-core audio app users.
[08:48] <Burgundavia> because the multimedai people requested it
[08:48] <ferret_0567> Does it work with the NVIDIA module? Is it good for anything else besides audio editing and video editing?
[08:49] <RAOF> For the second part, not really.  For the first, presumably.  There'd be a linux-restricted-modules-lowlatency, right?
[08:49] <crimsun> in multiverse.
[08:50] <ferret_0567> Hmmm...I don't use the Ubuntu supplied NVIDIA module
[08:50] <RAOF> That's generally a bad idea.
[08:50] <ferret_0567> I wanted AIGLX in Edgy, so I upgraded it
[08:50] <ferret_0567> It works fine, just don't try using "nv" again
[08:50] <RAOF> Aaah, the drive to break systems for eyecandy.  I can understand that :)
[08:51] <crimsun> We give people plenty of rope with which to hang themselves. :)
[08:51] <ferret_0567> And, err...all I have to do to fix it is to remove all of X and reinstall it?
[08:51] <ferret_0567> Countless KDE packages and all?
[08:51] <ferret_0567> ...my stupidity amazes me
[08:52] <ferret_0567> Well...that's eye candy :-P
[08:52] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: can't say I have
[08:52] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: looks interesting, if somewaht limited in scope
[08:53] <ajmitch> could be
[08:53] <ferret_0567> I might reinstall, and, when I get my new computer, I'll NOT use the NVIDIA module
[08:53] <ferret_0567> I heard of the nvidia-glx-new package
[08:53] <ferret_0567> I'll use the Ubuntu one instead...
[08:54] <RAOF> ferret_0567: You don't have to uninstall X.
[08:55] <RAOF> It's actually quite simple, just uninstall the nvidia.com driver (they come with an --uninstall option)
[08:55] <RAOF> Then install nvidia-glx-new
[08:55] <RAOF> And hope that the nvidia.com driver cleans up after itself correctly :P
[08:56] <ferret_0567> ok
[08:56] <ferret_0567> I'll do that later...after I get my new computer
[08:58] <ferret_0567> It'll be a Intel Core 2 Duo computer
[08:58] <ferret_0567> I checked for compatibility
[08:58] <ferret_0567> Gigabyte 965P-DS3 motherboard
[09:00] <ferret_0567> Stupid JMicron chips on Core 2 Duo compatible motheboards mean that you can't choose just any motherboard
[09:05] <man-di> are merges.ubuntu.com and patches.ubuntu.com gone?
[09:07] <Hobbsee> man-di: they should be there.  merges might not be working yet though
[09:09] <Burgundavia> Hobbsee: latter is down
[09:10] <Hobbsee> ahh
[09:11] <StevenK> merges.u.c is refusing connections, too
[09:11] <StevenK> It could be that both {patches,merges}.u.c is hosting on casey.u.c
[09:12] <Burgundavia> and what is casey doing?
[09:13] <StevenK> Not running a webserver like it ought to be?
[09:14] <jussi01> Hello and morning everyone!
[09:15] <man-di> okay, is there another way to see differences between Debian und Ubuntu? I wanna request some merges/syncs for Java related packages
[09:16] <StevenK> man-di: I'd suggest you wait, given the toolchain for gutsy isn't fully uploaded yet.
[09:17] <man-di> StevenK: I work on the Java toolchain (in Debian)
[09:17] <man-di> StevenK: so merging might be okay for this
[09:17] <man-di> I will speak with doko
[09:18] <man-di> thanks
[09:24] <Lamego> hello
[09:24] <Lamego> anyone with LAMP installed ?
[09:25] <Lamego> I get this strange problem with phpmyadmin, but I would like someone else to confirm it
[09:27] <man-di> Lamego: you dont say anything about your problem. How can someone then confirm it?
[09:27] <Lamego> well, I started by asking if someone has AMP installed, otherwise I will be loosing time explaing the problem :P
[09:28] <Lamego> after logging in phpmyadmin, and selection any action on it, i just get redirected to the login page
[09:28] <Lamego> I didn't found anything relevant on the logs, and is a very odd behavior
[09:29] <Lamego> I didn't had this problem with phpmyadmin a week ago, at the time I was using 32 bits (now I am with amd64)
[09:30] <Lamego> but since there are som many components involved (apache, php, mysql) it's hard to figure where is the problem
[10:02] <jussi01> morning motu's, I have a question. what is the correct way to create man pages? is there a tutorial somewhere that someone could point me to? 
[10:03] <Hobbsee> yes, and i've got no idea what it is
[10:03] <Hobbsee> docbook2man or something's oftne used, iirc
[10:03] <Hobbsee> ask in #ubuntu-doc if you dont get an asnwer hwere
[10:03] <Hobbsee> gah, i cant spell
[10:04] <jussi01> Hobbsee: thanks :D
[10:05] <RAOF> There was a package on REVU that I got pointed to which seemed a good example of using docbook2man
[10:06] <RAOF> I'll see if I can roust it up.
[10:06] <jussi01> :)
[10:06] <RAOF> Alternatively, check out the specto package, which is what I was trying to make a manpage for anyway :)
[10:31] <hyperspace> hi im looking to help out
[10:31] <hyperspace> :)
[10:31] <Hobbsee> woo :)
[10:31] <hyperspace> anyone still awake
[10:31] <jussi01> yay
[10:31] <hyperspace> yea been idle in here
[10:31] <hyperspace> for a bit
[10:31] <jussi01> learn to package.....
[10:31] <hyperspace> killer
[10:32] <hyperspace> been lookin @ those docs
[10:32] <hyperspace> :)
[10:32] <Hobbsee> hyperspace: what do you want to do?  put a new package into ubuntu, fix an existing one?
[10:32] <hyperspace> whatever i can
[10:32] <hyperspace> document/package/whatever
[10:32] <Hobbsee> hmmm....
[10:32] <hyperspace> i woouldnt mind starting out learning to pkg
[10:33] <jussi01> hyperspace: you sound like me... a couple of months ago
[10:33] <hyperspace> how are ya doing now?
[10:33] <jussi01> hyperspace: a good packaging guide: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-scratch.html
[10:33] <hyperspace> i use this os @ work and home and love it
[10:33] <Hobbsee> :)
[10:33] <hyperspace> ive stuck with it longer than any distro
[10:33] <jussi01> hyperspace: getting there... Im involved
[10:33] <hyperspace> from server to notebook :)
[10:33] <hyperspace> http://wizardsleeve.com/tb0x.png
[10:34] <Hobbsee> sheesh!
[10:34] <jussi01> nice!!
[10:34] <hyperspace> you guys do an insane job
[10:34] <hyperspace> and i want in on it
[10:34] <hyperspace> great work
[10:34] <hyperspace> i must learn the patterns :)
[10:34] <jussi01> hehe, excellent!!
[10:34] <hyperspace> must push patterns into work infrastructure
[10:34] <Hobbsee> hyperspace: probably at the moment, i'd pick a new package that looks interesting, and package it
[10:35] <Hobbsee> once the toolchain, etc, is built for gutsy, we can do merges, etc
[10:35] <hyperspace> ok im running feisty on notebook and edgy on everything else
[10:35] <RAOF> Or find a bug on launchpad that looks interesting and fix it?
[10:35] <jussi01> yeah, Im with Hobbsee there...
[10:35] <Hobbsee> RAOF: more work, if it's just about to be merged again
[10:35] <Hobbsee> (and pointless if debian has done the fix)
[10:36] <RAOF> Eh, true.  Well, you could try fixing Debain's bugs :)
[10:36] <Hobbsee> then again, the new packaging teaches you a lot, which you then use in everything else
[10:36] <hyperspace> yea
[10:36] <hyperspace> looks fun
[10:37] <jussi01> packaging is fun...
[10:37] <jussi01> I like it :D
[10:37] <hyperspace> :D
[10:37] <RAOF> I actually like bug fixing more, somewhat surprisingly
[10:38] <jussi01> btw, back to the docbook2man issue, i got that installed, but how the heck do i install/run docbook....
[10:38] <jussi01> :P
[10:38] <RAOF> jussi01: "apt-get source specto" :{
[10:38] <RAOF> :P
[10:38] <Hobbsee> jussi01: dunno.  check the manpage, maybe?
[10:39] <RAOF> Alternatively, for the impatient: docbook2x-man debian/man/specto.docbook
[10:39] <RAOF> Will take "debian/man/specto.docbook" and make "specto.1" in the current directory.
[10:40] <jussi01> RAOF: yeah, i figured how to use it, but how do i get the dockbook file in the first place... thats the question...
[10:40] <RAOF> Oh, I used emacs.
[10:40] <jussi01> will kate do it????
[10:40] <RAOF> Yeah, it's just XML.
[10:40] <jussi01> oh....ok then....
[10:40] <Hobbsee> kate does everything :)
[10:40] <RAOF> Use an existing file for a base, and just fill the stuff in :)
[10:41] <jussi01> existing file?
[10:41] <RAOF> such as debian/man/specto.docbook :)
[10:41] <jussi01> ok :D
[10:49] <Hobbsee> hyperspace: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New should help, if it ever loads
[10:50] <hyperspace> cool
[10:50] <hyperspace> reading packaging guide
[10:51] <Hobbsee> :)
[10:52] <Hobbsee> Reiser4 support is still not in Ubuntu, thereby forcing people using it to build custom kernels.
[10:52] <Hobbsee> is this true?
[10:52] <RAOF> Reiser4 support *still* isn't in the mainline kernel, right?
[10:53] <RAOF> It's lying around in -mm, and has been for *ages*?
[10:53] <Hobbsee> no idea
[10:54] <RAOF> We've got the tools for it, but I don't think the kernel's built with reiser4 support.
[10:54] <Burgundavia> nope, reiser4 ain't mainlined
[10:54] <RAOF> Yeah, thought so.
[10:54] <Burgundavia> which pretty much means ubuntu isnt going to get it
[10:55] <Burgundavia> unless some huge customer comes along and gives canonical mega dollars for it
[10:55] <ivoks> :)
[10:55] <RAOF> Which seems unlikely.  Cool as it is, it's not *that* cool :)
[10:56] <Burgundavia> it is an fsck-ing filesystem
[10:56] <Burgundavia> how "cool" can it be?
[10:56] <ivoks> Burgundavia: hype
[10:56] <RAOF> Well, it *could* magically make disc access instantaneous :)
[10:57] <Hobbsee> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/108844 is the bug
[10:57] <ubotu> Malone bug 108844 in Ubuntu "Reiser4 is still not in Ubuntu." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[10:57] <RAOF> It seems to have some interesting ideas on the filesystem front.
[10:57] <RAOF> Particularly, metadata/extended attributes-as-directory-hierachy.
[10:58] <RAOF> Who wants to reject the bug, then :)
[10:59] <Hobbsee> you
[10:59] <Burgundavia> can I?
[10:59] <RAOF> If you want to.
[11:00] <Hobbsee> Burgundavia: go for it :P
[11:01] <jussi01> where's jdong with his reiser jokes....
[11:01] <Burgundavia> kernel bugs should be on meta, no?
[11:02] <Hobbsee> or linux-source-######
[11:03] <Burgundavia> I chose feisty's kernel
[11:09] <afflux> eclipse-platform is not installable without installing java-gcj-compat. (in the depends it says: java-gcj-compat | java1-runtime | java2-runtime, I have sun-java6-jre installed which provides java2-runtime)
[11:10] <man-di> afflux: then it should work
[11:10] <afflux> well, the problem is: it depends on libtomcat5.5-java which depends on java-gcj-compat (and in this case onl yon java-gcj-compat)
[11:11] <jussi01> hmmm, is the author me? or the program author?
[11:12] <man-di> afflux: oh right, that is one of the differgences to Debian (and it breaks stuff like this)
[11:12] <man-di> afflux: I will request a merge/sync
[11:13] <jussi01> (for the man pages)
[11:14] <afflux> man-di: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/5383 was the initial question... can you post a link to the bug here?
[11:14] <afflux> *there
[02:01] <jekil> hello
[02:14] <gpocentek> hi jekil 
[02:14] <gpocentek> hi all
[02:15] <Hobbsee> hi gpocentek 
[02:16] <gpocentek> hello Hobbsee 
[03:10] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:10] <mr_pouit> hi bddebian 
[03:10] <bddebian> Hello mr_pouit
[03:10] <nixternal> boo
[03:11] <bddebian> ahhh
[03:11] <nixternal> hehe
[03:11] <bddebian> Heya nixternal
[03:11] <nixternal> mornin' sir
[03:11] <bddebian> nixternal: You can't do that to me when I haven't woken up yet :-)
[03:11] <nixternal> it seems people want to learn how to package this morning for the LUG event, so it looks like I will put on my wannabe-MOTU hat and teach them what I can
[03:12] <nixternal> so if I am in here later asking questions, answer them promptly or suffer ;)
[03:23] <white> anybody here familiar with wine? (i try to get c+c2 working, haven't played it for ages :) )
[03:28] <white> hi :)
[03:28] <Fujitsu> s/white/wine./
[03:28] <white> that thing tells me it can't find the "necessary files", but i have no clue why
[03:33] <Hobbsee> hi white.  \sh_away is
[03:34] <white> hi Hobbsee :)
[03:35] <Hobbsee> hey white :)
[03:36] <white> it seems it is not my day :(
[03:37] <Hobbsee> awww
[03:48] <dqdev> \list
[03:51] <dqdev> hello all
[03:51] <dqdev> does anyboy have some time
[03:51] <dqdev> to help a newbie on some bug-fixing quuestion?
[03:51] <Hobbsee> shoot
[03:51] <Hobbsee> !ask | dqdev 
[03:51] <ubotu> dqdev: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[03:51] <dqdev> it's my first bug so be patient
[03:51] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:52] <dqdev> i m trying to fix the very simple bug
[03:52] <dqdev> #80474
[03:52] <dqdev> where there is a .desktop file missing
[03:53] <dqdev> i created the .desktop file
[03:53] <dqdev> according to some others I saw
[03:53] <dqdev> then i moved the ketm.desktop
[03:54] <dqdev> to the source folder
[03:54] <bddebian> Put it in the /debian dir if there wasn't one at all before
[03:54] <dqdev> hmmm
[03:55] <dqdev> ok... maybe that was my mistake
[03:55] <bddebian> Well it shouldn't hurt anything, it's just not "good form"
[03:55] <dqdev> i ll try that again 
[03:55] <dqdev> then something else
[03:55] <dqdev> i did that 
[03:55] <dqdev> and then followed all the directions
[03:56] <dqdev> in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToFix
[03:56] <bddebian> OK
[03:57] <dqdev> the thing is that ketm has a patches folder, but I got a little bit confused there and decided to ignore it and follow the steps as if it didn't have
[03:57] <bddebian> Shouldn't need a patch for a distro supplied file
[03:57] <dqdev> i m not following here
[03:57] <bddebian> Did you add things to debian/rules and/or .install files and such to actually install the .desktop file?
[03:58] <dqdev> no :$
[03:58] <bddebian> dqdev: Are you talking about /debian/patches ?
[03:58] <dqdev> yes
[03:58] <bddebian> Not necessary in this case
[03:58] <dqdev> i did the following
[03:58] <dqdev> i created the .desktop file
[03:59] <dqdev> mv to the ketm-0.0.6/
[03:59] <dqdev> and then created a patch file as https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToFix
[03:59] <dqdev> points
[03:59] <dqdev> and then i just followed
[03:59] <dqdev> what the site says
[04:00] <dqdev> sudo apt-get build-dep ketm
[04:00] <dqdev> debuild -us -uc
[04:00] <dqdev> sudo dpkg -i ketm.deb
[04:00] <dqdev> Am I missing smthng or doing smthng wrong?
[04:00] <bddebian> You don't need a patch in this case because you aren't "patching" any source files, you are adding a new file unrelated to the upstream source
[04:00] <dqdev> ok, I see now...
[04:00] <bddebian> create the .desktop in ketm-0.0.6/debian
[04:00] <dqdev> ok
[04:01] <bddebian> Tell debian/rules to install the file to /usr/share/applications (there are a few different ways to do this)
[04:01] <bddebian> Check the package you looked at the .desktop file to see how they "install" the .desktop file
[04:02] <dqdev> ok
[04:02] <dqdev> and then?
[04:02] <bddebian> Some use dh_desktop.  Many just do install -m ...
[04:02] <bddebian> Then build your deb and see if the .desktop file is truly in it.  I usually use dpkg-deb -c <foo>.deb |grep desktop
[04:03] <bddebian> Better yet, intall your .deb and make sure it works ;-P
[04:03] <dqdev> great instructions
[04:03] <dqdev> thanks bddebian
[04:03] <bddebian> NP
[04:03] <dqdev> some last question (I swear)
[04:03] <bddebian> np
[04:04] <dqdev> you said that I have to tell rules
[04:04] <dqdev> to install
[04:04] <dqdev> the .desktop file
[04:04] <dqdev> and that there are several ways to do that
[04:04] <bddebian> Yep
[04:04] <dqdev> like dh desktop
[04:05] <dqdev> is there some manual on how to do that? Is it included in the packaging guide?
[04:05] <bddebian> I'm not sure tbh, sorry
[04:05] <dqdev> ok... I ll see what I can find online
[04:05] <bddebian> The best thing to do is check the build system of the package to see how they are doing things.  I.E., does it have .dirs and .install files
[04:07] <bddebian> And there's always "man dh_desktop" ;)
[04:07] <dqdev> they have .dirs
[04:07] <dqdev> hehe... right
[04:07] <dqdev> i ll check that! 
[04:07] <bddebian> Actually I might be wrong, I don't think dh_desktop will actually "install" the desktop file
[04:08] <dqdev> thanks a million! 
[04:08] <bddebian> I mean dh_install.
[04:08] <dqdev> yes
[04:08] <dqdev> install -m
[04:08] <dqdev> ?
[04:09] <bddebian> That works too
[04:10] <shawarma> bddebian: You scared him away!
[04:10] <bddebian> Doh :'-(
[04:25] <elkbuntu> has anyone seen sivang around lately?
[04:33] <shawarma> elkbuntu: 16:33 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)-           Last Seen: 6 weeks 2 days (3h 51m 21s) ago
[04:33] <shawarma> elkbuntu: sivang, that is.
[04:34] <elkbuntu> shawarma, yep, thats the kind of thing i'm finding too, but i didnt know if he had a different nick or what
[04:34] <shawarma> elkbuntu: Yes, I suppose that's possible. No, I haven't seem him around for ages.
[04:34] <elkbuntu> in my logs, i'm seeing no -motu since january, no -devel since march
[04:42] <elkbuntu> whelp, emailed as per LP. not much else i can do :)
[04:47] <DarkSun88> Hi all
[04:49] <mr_pouit> hi DarkSun88 
[04:49] <DarkSun88> mr_pouit: Hi
[05:18] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: poke
[05:18] <elkbuntu> eep, it's a Hobbsee
[05:18] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: it is.  ROAR!!!!
[05:18] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: anyway, see -devel
[05:18] <Hobbsee> shawarma: too
[05:19] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, i see him here too ;)
[05:19] <sivang> hey elkbuntu 
[05:20] <elkbuntu> sivang, did you get my email?
[05:20] <sivang> elkbuntu: are you Melissa ?
[05:20] <elkbuntu> i am indeed
[05:20] <Hobbsee> sivang: no, she's a strange person.
[05:20] <Hobbsee> sivang: she's definetly not Melissa
[05:20] <sivang> ah-ha! pleased to meet you my  dear lady
[05:20] <elkbuntu> :)
[05:20] <Hobbsee> remember, you have to fly wiht me!!!  :P
[05:20] <sivang> i have just responded to it
[05:21] <sivang> Hobbsee: fly where?
[05:21] <elkbuntu> righto
[05:21] <Hobbsee> sivang: spain.  UDS
[05:21] <elkbuntu> sivang, the evil aussie girls are being let loose in spain
[05:21] <Hobbsee> less than 2 weeks!
[05:21] <sivang> oh good for you ! 
[05:21] <sivang> too bad I will not meet you there :-(
[05:22] <sivang> Hobbsee: I  take it you are being sponsord after working on THOUSANDS of packaes? :)
[05:22] <Hobbsee> sivang: yeah.  and you'd better come.  :P.  i think geser's done more than me now, though
[05:23] <sivang> Hobbsee: hehe, I wish , but don't think so - unless amiracle happens 
[05:23] <Q-FUNK> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/108556
[05:23] <ubotu> Malone bug 108556 in upgrade-system "KDECdromProgressAdapter instance has no attribute 'progressbar'" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[05:24] <Q-FUNK> anybody would know to which package this bug really belongs to?
[05:24] <sivang> Hobbsee: maybe I can toos upon you to continue my hubackup legacy and bring it up to speed ?:)
[05:24] <Hobbsee> sivang: my python skills arnet great
[05:24] <sivang> Hobbsee: an oppurtunity ! 
[05:24] <sivang> :p
[05:24] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:25] <Hobbsee> Q-FUNK: looks like the kubuntu dist-upgrader
[05:25] <Hobbsee> which may be update-manager or part of adept
[05:25] <Hobbsee> i'd probably put it under adept
[05:25] <Hobbsee> maybe update-manager...hmmm
[05:25] <sivang> anyway folks, thanks for the warm welcome - nice to see someone still remembers :p
[05:25] <Q-FUNK> defintely some K thingie, but I have no idea which one
[05:25] <Q-FUNK> feel free to reassign
[05:25] <Hobbsee> sivang: of course we do
[05:26] <Hobbsee> Q-FUNK: done
[05:27] <sivang> elkbuntu: see my email, we need to get a hold of smurf . anyway laters
[05:27] <elkbuntu> sivang, email hasnt arrived yet, i'll look in the morning
[05:27] <elkbuntu> g'nite all
[05:27] <sivang> (I actually forgot his his real name)
[05:27] <elkbuntu> matthias
[05:27] <sivang> elkbuntu: yes, but the last name ? :)
[05:28] <elkbuntu> um.. i always confuse the matthias'
[05:28] <sivang> indeed.
[05:28] <sivang> that is what happens to me as well
[05:28] <sivang> say folks, do you know if the conference sponsorship are still on ?
[05:28] <sivang> (e.g. one can apply)
[05:28] <elkbuntu> i'd say they're done by now. it's less than a week away
[05:28] <Hobbsee> they didnt let us contact them this time - they contacted us
[05:29] <sivang> Hobbsee: there was no wiki page to apply in ?
[05:29] <Hobbsee> sivang: correct
[05:29] <sivang> oh dear
[05:29] <sivang> it is getting *harer* :-p
[05:29] <elkbuntu> with good reason
[05:30] <sivang> oh, what has changed since last time ?
[05:30] <sivang> elkbuntu: ^^
[05:30] <Hobbsee> harer?
[05:31] <sivang> ERROR: word not understood
[05:31] <sivang> harder , hehe 
[05:31] <sivang> Hobbsee: I said I was getting older :p
[05:31] <Hobbsee> haha
[05:32] <elkbuntu> sponsoring people is a cost, and the easier it is to apply, the easier it is to over-indulge ;)
[05:32] <sivang> indeed, anyway time for me to over-indulge myself with some food !
[05:32] <sivang> latter
[05:33] <elkbuntu> he goes, his email arrives
[05:33] <elkbuntu> typical
[05:34] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:55] <poningru> any reason why deluge package was taken out of feisty?
[05:55] <Hobbsee> poningru: a) was it taken out of debian? b) did you check for bug reports?
[05:55] <Hobbsee> iirc because it was utterly broken - but that may be something else
[05:56] <poningru> Hobbsee: it originated in ubuntu not sure if it ever made to debian
[05:56] <Amaranth> I vote for "it was utterly broken"
[05:56] <Hobbsee> (those are the usual things to check for, for missing packages)
[05:56] <Amaranth> and at most an alpha/tech-preview
[05:57] <poningru> oh hmm
[06:34] <lamego_> anyone have a good pointer or list of people that could help me with mirroring debian packages for ubuntu ?
[09:27] <ph1zzle> hey all
[09:28] <ph1zzle> I have a odd question. I am trying to compile a library and it tells me two other libraries are too old of a version even though I compiled the newest ones just minutes before, this happens on two different computers, one with dapper server and one with feisty desktop, does any one know if I am missing a package or maybe doing something else wrong that I don't know about
[09:28] <ph1zzle> ?
[09:28] <ph1zzle> any help would be greatly appreciated
[09:32] <danohuiginn> ph1zzle: is the library you're trying to compile in ubuntu? do you have all the build-dependencies installed?
[09:32] <danohuiginn> what are the libraries that are giving you problems?
[09:34] <ph1zzle> the library I am trying to install is libtunepimp from musicbrainz.org and the libs that are giving me trouble are libofa from musicip.org and libmusicbrainz from musicbrainz
[09:34] <ph1zzle> is there a way in which ./configure checks version numbers of shared libs? something I can run from the command line?
[09:38] <ph1zzle> is there a way in which ./configure checks version numbers of shared libs? something I can run from the command line?
[09:40] <danohuiginn> personally, I don't know. are you able to install the ubuntu-packaged version of libtunepimp?
[09:45] <ph1zzle> yes but it is useless for what I need as it's missing puid which comes in the source tatball
[09:46] <ph1zzle> although I would like to know how it was compiled
[09:47] <danohuiginn> well, you can use 'apt-get source libtunepimp' to get the ubuntu source, and have a look at that
[09:49] <ph1zzle> huh, really?
[09:49] <ph1zzle> thats cool
[09:50] <ph1zzle> ok, me takes a peek
[09:50] <danohuiginn> :)
[09:50] <danohuiginn> the ubuntu- and debian- specific bits will be in the debian/ subdir
[10:00] <Adri2000> should I assign universe security bugs to motu-swat?
[10:16] <Artemis3> Sorry if i'm bothering, proposed Edgy package: update-manager 0.45.3 doesn't show the update to 7.04 button anymore, is this intentional? downgrading to 0.45.2 still shows the button.
[11:20] <sacater> when i get a server, im going to give everyone here an account, and screen, so we dont get logging in and out :(
[11:22] <danohuiginn> sacater: amen to that. first ubuntu bug I ever fixed was the gaim plugin to ignore join/part messages ;)
[11:22] <sacater> im serious, all i need is a server :P
[11:22] <sacater> id happily give motu's an account
[11:23] <sacater> ssh keys..
[11:25] <grayman> heh
[11:25] <grayman> gaim is still buggy
[11:26] <grayman> refuses to stop blinking in the panel until you type a message