=== ohmega [n=ohmega@sonata.csbnet.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === caravena [n=caravena@117-34-50.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:22] is there any reason why the startup bug in azureus is not being fixed? it seems ridiculous to keep a package in universe that does not work when upstream works fine. [12:22] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/azureus/+bug/57875 [12:22] Malone bug 57875 in azureus "Azureus does not start" [High,Confirmed] [12:24] ohmega: Why not fix it? [12:25] ohmega: I thought that was fixed in Feisty [12:25] I still have this problem with feisty. [12:26] my Azureus starts fine with Sun Java6... but of course crashes in compiz and beryl [12:26] that bug report is absolutely awful [12:27] no less than four of the comments are vitriolic and contribute absolutely zero to the debugging [12:27] crimsun: How? I darenm't look at them any more. [12:27] further, there appear to be at least three different reports munged into that one bug report [12:28] ohmega: which of those issues are you experiencing? [12:28] the consensus seems to be that 2.5.0.4 works for everyone, why bother with an older version then? [12:28] ohmega: an upstream 2.5.0.4 works for everyone, as does an upstream 2.5.0.0; the problem seems to be the build process [12:29] ohmega: we do not upload binary packages to Universe... they must build with the gcj Java stack, and apparently there is an error in our build process.... [12:29] oh ok [12:29] so now the million dollar question is... why is it broken? :D [12:29] some people report it's the branding patch [12:29] Because it's Azureus. [12:30] if it's as simple as reverting its application, then we can do an SRU [12:30] I guess it's worth a shot to set up some -proposed packages with that, and see if it fixes anything [12:30] hm, i'll try building it without the patch then perhaps [12:30] maybe a pre-proposed package :) [12:32] Maybe fix it in Gutsy first, then confirm that it actually works? [12:32] does the compiler stack work in Gutsy yet? [12:33] gcj seems like russian roulette at times === jikanter [n=jordan@c-24-12-220-77.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:36] this is strange, build-dep for azureus fails. where do i get libswt-gtk-3.2-java? [12:37] oh sorry. never mind. === hyperspace [n=shiva@ip72-204-22-64.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === b52laptop [n=mohammed@41.248.14.22] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Quitte"] [12:54] hm, so if i don't apply all the ubuntu patches when i build the azureus package it works fine. [12:54] thus the build process argument seems to be incorrect. [12:54] (it crashed on my setup when i built my own package with the patches) [12:55] ohmega: you have a gig of RAM? [12:55] gcj seems to need a good gig of RAM to put it together [12:55] uhm? [12:55] i don't know how much it used. i have 2 GB [12:55] ok [12:56] i suppose i'll just apply the patches one by one and rebuild the package till it fails now.. [01:00] ah.. finally i get some use out of all these cs classes ;) === ohmega uses binary search ;) === Monk-e [n=guido-fe@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tenshu [n=tenshu@sgc91-1-82-231-155-79.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:08] bad patch identified! :) [01:11] hello there =) someone can tell me when uplod to gutsy will be opened? [01:12] ok, who do i tell to pull this bogus patch out of azureus so we can have a working azureus in universe? === Ademan [n=dan@h-67-101-40-52.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:13] "us" [01:13] ok, remove 07_azureus-themed.dpatch then [01:13] please :) [01:13] right, I stated that above. === crimsun looks at his bug list and sighs [01:14] oh you did, i didn't notice? [01:15] tenshu: we can upload already, but buildds won't process anything. [01:15] okay crimsun can i start to upload new package to REVU? [01:16] tenshu: revu is not tied to the Ubuntu upload infrastructure. You can upload anytime to revu (as long as your email+key are in the revu uploaders keyring) [01:17] ok =) thank you crimsun [01:17] crimsun: will you upload a new azureus? === cyberjackal [n=cyberjac@pool-70-109-59-195.clppva.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:23] or should i prepare a new package myself and send to someone? === fredix [n=fredix@86.67.45.203] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:24] ohmega: follow SRU procedure. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:35] Heya gang [01:44] are ubuntu packages in a RCS somewhere so i can look at previous changesets to a package? [01:45] permission to remove sharms and his weakenedbash script from civilization? === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-29-203.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:48] nixternal: now now [01:48] ohmega: you can grab the previous version from Launchpad [01:49] ah ok. === Ademan [n=dan@h-67-101-40-52.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Monk-e [n=guido-fe@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck [n=nate@24-183-45-79.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:05] do i need the ~proposed suffix for my package or is it ok just to rebuild it with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot? [02:06] are you doing an SRU? [02:06] yes === ivoks [n=ivoks@1-73.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:07] or well i don't have any sponsore [02:07] -e [02:07] then you'll want ~proposed1 in the version [02:07] ok sigh, complete rebuild then [02:07] ;) [02:08] do i add the ~proposed1 thing in the changelog or do i do it with dpkg-buildpackage? [02:11] ohmega: changelog [02:11] can i just edit the changelog manually or must it be done with the tool? [02:12] it's best to do it with dch -i [02:12] just to make sure the formating is correct [02:12] oh i already have an entry, it's just the version number that's not correct (no ~proposed1) === fowlduck [n=nate@24-183-45-79.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:13] ah [02:13] then just plain editing is fine [02:13] ok good :) [02:15] who is my sponsor? [02:15] you need to have a MOTU check out the changes [02:16] the general way to do that is to subscribe the ubuntu-universe-sponsors team to thebug === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:18] ok, done === stratus [n=stratus@201.53.55.52] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:37] where do i upload to? [02:38] attach the debdiff to the bug repotr. [02:38] report, even. === zul__ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:40] i generated these .build files etc [02:40] you should have two .dscs and two .diff.gzs [02:41] yes [02:41] debdiff old.dsc new.dsc > new.debdiff [02:42] ah ok. [02:45] crimsun: ok, done. [02:45] anything else I should do? [02:45] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/azureus/+bug/57875 [02:45] Malone bug 57875 in azureus "Azureus does not start" [High,Confirmed] [02:46] ohmega: wait for a motu to review it ;) [02:46] ohmega: have you verified that is doesn't crash after several minutes? [02:46] s/is/it/ === boss [n=boss@fw.bcp.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:47] Hello. How is kickstart integration going into Ubuntu so far? [02:47] ohmega: also, you shouldn't /remove/ the dpatch. Just don't /apply/ it. In other words, the only change necessary is to remove the dpatch from debian/patches/00list. [02:47] ok [02:47] I'd love to see something like this: http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/custom-guide/s1-redhat-config-kickstart-pkgs.html in Ubuntu. [02:48] It only shows ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop as of right now I believe. === squarepeg [n=bruce@adsl-147-222-141.jan.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ademan [n=dan@h-67-101-40-52.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:02] crimsun: ok, how does it look now? [03:04] ohmega: the distribution should be feisty-proposed, not feisty [03:05] +azureus (2.5.0.0repack1-0ubuntu2~proposed2) feisty-proposed; urgency=low then? [03:06] ohmega: also, use the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClosingBugsFromChangelog syntax (LP: #57875) [03:06] yes [03:08] what a version [03:09] That's nothing. [03:09] 2.5.0.0repack1-0ubuntu0.6.10~proposed1 [03:10] Hm, that versioning is wrong, ohmega... It should be -0ubuntu1.1 [03:10] wtf? [03:10] Updates to stable releases use -XubuntuY.Z [03:10] ok [03:10] (and a ~proposed1 on the end of that for proposed)\ [03:13] are my other attachments to the bug report proposals so that this next version is proposed3 or are they still proposed1? [03:15] http://librarian.launchpad.net/7383802/proposed3.debdiff [03:15] ohmega: proposed1 [03:16] since it hasn't been uploaded to the repos [03:16] ok [03:17] (is it possible to remove all my spam from the bug report?) [03:17] So if a package was developed when Feisty was still in beta but is still in REVU, what is the new syntax that the Changelog should reflect? gutsy; urgency= ? [03:17] low, yes [03:17] just replace feisty with gutsy ;) [03:18] afaik, the urgency has no efect in Ubuntu, right? [03:18] Okay, because I saw feisty-proposed, so that got me wondering. [03:18] ohmega: They are immutable, so no. [03:18] pochu: That's right. [03:18] :) [03:18] I wasn't sure, though [03:18] now I am [03:18] ok now i think i got everything right: [03:18] http://librarian.launchpad.net/7383809/proposed.debdiff [03:19] ohmega: Looks pretty good. [03:19] Great :) [03:19] ohmega: good luck! [03:19] night folks [03:19] should i notify someone about this? [03:20] So urgency always = low? === jml [n=jml@59.167.203.115] has joined #ubuntu-motu === owh [n=onno@59.154.24.148] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:29] Has anyone got any suggestions on where I go to learn more about how iocharsets work? Specifically, I'm trying to learn how it relates to file system mounting. === ferret_0567 [n=ferret_0@cpe-72-183-231-110.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:32] I would like to say thanks for all of the great software in universe! [03:32] I love BasKet Note Pads, package "basket" [03:32] the requestsponsor script did not work [03:33] the regex parsing of package/version from the diff fails [03:33] ferret_0567: Great, thank you [03:33] Is there any way I can monitor updates to packages in universe? and the most downloaded ones? [03:33] ohmega: Just ensure that ubuntu-universe-sponsors is subscribed to the bug. [03:34] ferret_0567: You can subscribe to [release codename] -changes to get an email for every change. [03:34] Where is that? [03:34] I want to be notified of all new packages and major version changes [03:35] ferret_0567: There's no way to do that at the moment. [03:36] ferret_0567: lists.ubuntu.com has gutsy-changes and feisty-changes mailing lists [03:36] ferret_0567: they get emails of every upload === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:43] I'm playing World of Padman === mc_ [n=mc@62.218.230.197] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === stratus [n=stratus@201.53.55.52] has joined #ubuntu-motu === grayman [n=grayman@89.0.138.10.dynamic.barak-online.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-105-15.auto.rp80.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:28] hmm [04:28] which package cyr is in? === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:30] ohmega@sonata:~/azureus-test$ cyr [04:30] The program 'cyr' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: [04:30] sudo apt-get install console-cyrillic [04:30] aha [04:30] thanks === RAOF [n=chris@60-242-199-65.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-66-139.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:56] wahoo, I get my sparc on Monday [04:56] rocking [04:56] from who? [04:59] a guy in my LUG [04:59] he's getting rid of an Ultra 10 [04:59] and he's going to drop it by my lab Monday [04:59] very cool [05:00] I'm not sure what's running on it right now, Solaris or Linux [05:00] but I'll put an Ubuntu Server install on it and see what happens [05:04] !!! [05:04] Why has democracyplayer registered itself as the default bittorrent program? [05:04] It's assimilating your other programs. [05:05] RAOF: resistence is futile [05:06] if less than 1 ohm [05:06] :-P [05:06] lol [05:06] :) === hyperspace [n=shiva@ip72-204-22-64.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === arejay [n=rj@unaffiliated/rj-] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:19] hm [05:35] that resistant is futile reminds me of something heh [05:35] s/resistant/resistance === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:40] ah [05:40] that vi clipper thing === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:50] I see Hobbsee has her Doom stick out on the forums :-) [05:53] Hmm, this is definitely a bug. [05:53] http://sial.org/howto/kickstart/partition/desktop -> that kickstart configuration snippet is supposed to get the root filesystem and its underlings to format properly. [05:53] However, with the Ubuntu alternate install CD providing the ks option the appropriate path seems to work for everything but partitioning. [05:53] It gets a "No root filesystem defined" error and I can't define a root filesystem because Ubuntu seems to recurse back to that error. [05:53] If anyone else has seen this error, *please* let me know so that I can report it as a bug to Launchpad. [05:58] boss, why not submit it to launchpad now, and then if anyone else has the problem, but has not seen your comments here, they can then comment on it? [05:59] elkbuntu: Will do. [05:59] elkbuntu: I want to test it out a bit more. If I can find a solution, I'll post the bug and the hackaround on Launchpad. [06:02] elkbuntu: Here's another bug that's on Launchpad with medium priority and confirmed, but yet hasn't been assigned to anyone: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/system-config-kickstart/+bug/15156 [06:02] Malone bug 15156 in system-config-kickstart "Error using "--generate" option to system-config-kickstart" [Medium,Confirmed] [06:02] This error is very close to what I'm getting but not quite it. [06:03] It's labeled as medium priority and confirmed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kickseed/+bug/48311 [06:03] Malone bug 48311 in kickseed "kickstart partitioning fails with --recommended or --asprimary" [Medium,Confirmed] [06:04] if either of those are your problems, make sure you comment on them. the more information the bugs have, the quicker a fix will happen === Ademan [n=dan@h-67-101-40-52.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rrittenhouse [n=tad@unaffiliated/rrittenhouse] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:19] so it seems that console-setup is unable to run properly because of usplash === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:19] is there a way to time it after usplash is off? [06:20] you can use the bootgraph [06:20] Burgundavia: bootchart :) [06:20] ya, that is it [06:28] LaserJock: yep :D [06:29] Hobbsee: Where? [06:29] Fujitsu: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=413733 etc [06:34] It mentions checkinstall! Kill it, it's moving! [06:43] Hobbsee, Fujitsu: seems like we're tagg-teaming that Gutsy forum ;-) [06:44] LaserJock: :D [06:50] at least you guys/gals are being civil. I'm glad I haven't logged in to respond. [06:51] crimsun: I often typed a reply, then thought better of it. Some of what I originally wrote wasn't at all civil. === ericho [n=erich@189.129.51.32] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:53] Fujitsu: heh. i thought yours was great - and clear ot the point [06:53] I'd so like to be able to strangle people over the 'net... [06:54] haha, yes === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:01] Fujitsu: write up a spec about it :) === Fujitsu throws some stupid `make application installers like Windows' threads at ajmitch. [07:03] Fujitsu: there's a good reiser joke somewhere in your statement... just can't find it this late at night..... [07:03] Fujitsu: checkinstall is all you need [07:03] jdong: What? [07:04] Fujitsu: never mind :) [07:04] ajmitch: That's why people are complaining that we don't support it, I guess. [07:04] `However, the Ubuntu developers seem to only want support Ubuntu debs.' [07:04] UbuntuPortage :) [07:04] That has to deserve strangulation. === Fujitsu sends jdong back to his corner. [07:05] lol [07:05] well, to play devil's advocate [07:05] it does seem odd that we are all about software freedom and choice [07:05] LaserJock: we'll be sure to forward all the bugs to you [07:06] and then tell people they can only install software from us [07:06] that's because we have a fragile system [07:06] yes [07:06] LaserJock: we don't say that at all. We say that we don't support software not installed from Ubuntu repositories. I think that's a fairly significant distinction. [07:07] crimsun: well, it's a fine line that many people don't really see [07:07] I agree that supportability is the main issue [07:07] Right, it's our job to make that distinction very ... distinct. [07:07] except for upgrades, where that 3rd party software breaks the rest [07:07] on the other hand, why should we be supporting any of it? [07:07] it's not our software [07:08] I'm convinced that we're completely missing a for-profit model in here somewhere. [07:08] heh [07:08] crimsun: it's Click N FUN! [07:08] looking across the spectrum of distros the amount of wasted/duplicated work is staggering [07:08] i'm not sure why they seem to think that they need everything in main [07:09] crimsun: we work, others profit [07:09] simple [07:09] I think it'd be nice if the official and unoffical things were in seperate systems/databases/etc., so third-party stuff couldn't kill an upgrade like that... but that's not going to happen. [07:09] jdong: And you wonder why you're not a MOTU? [07:10] Fujitsu: it's a joke :) [07:10] jdong: Noted, but it's still a forbidden word. [07:10] LaserJock: I've found that unofficial upstream IRC channels tend to foster significant cross-distro cooperation. [07:11] On the other hand, it's quite possible that I have tunnel vision here. === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:12] crimsun: but still, imagine if we didn't spend all our time fighting with distro issues and worked on upstream issues [07:13] I mean, at this moment, I think our system is about as good as we can do [07:13] but in the future I think we're goint to have to figure something else out [07:14] where "in the future" == "right now" ? [07:14] hehe, no [07:15] I think there is value in things like 0install, autopackage, etc. though [07:15] most often probably learning how *not* to do it [07:15] A universal packaging system would be nice, in theory. [07:15] 0install is a really nice thing for users, but it's pretty much a nightmare for us [07:16] Does 0install build from source? [07:16] in essence we just need a standard [07:17] We do have one. RPM. [07:17] Fujitsu: nah, it's essentially downloading and caching binariesa [07:17] binaries, even [07:17] and since I doubt rpm'ers will give in to the .deb domination ... === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:17] I imagine it'll end up being some 3rd alternative [07:18] my vote is for Slackware .tgz ;-) [07:20] ok, well that was a joke, I didn't mean to kill the channel [07:21] bad LaserJock [07:21] Who makes the 0install, um, package/0installer thingies? Upstream, or the 0install people? === cypher1 [n=cypher1@59.92.161.42] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:24] Fujitsu: hmm? [07:25] Is 0install like dpkg, or apt? Is there a central repository like a distribution? [07:25] no [07:25] it's all decentralised [07:25] <_MMA_> http://wiki.rpath.com/wiki/Conary [07:26] So, there's no quality control of any kind? [07:26] not really, no [07:30] the thing to me is [07:30] we spend all this time and effort [07:30] doing things that really should be done once upstream [07:31] ideally upstream should provide the software in an installable for [07:31] +m [07:31] right now, the general Linux model seems to be that upstream authors provide a tarball [07:31] You could possibly extend autotools a bit? It seems that autotools provides almost enough to do automatic generation of sane source packages? === ferret_0567 [n=ferret_0@cpe-72-183-231-110.satx.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [07:32] that then goes out to all the distros and they hack it up [07:35] darn it, how do people end up with a blank sources.list === vil [n=vladimir@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:36] LaserJock: (1) set all repos to automatix (2) run dist-upgrader (3) PROFIT! [07:37] s/PROFIT/BROKEN SYSTEM/ [07:37] StevenK: that's profit for me! [07:37] (kidding :D) [07:38] what do you guys think about some mirror locating or even torrenting system for gutsy's upgrader? [07:39] from the past couple days patrolling our install/upgrade forum sections; a lot of the upgrade difficulties were unreachable repos, etc [07:39] obviously we just need a few more DCs around the world :-) [07:39] some sort of mirror balancing might work === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:40] A torrent system for mirrors I don't think will work. === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:43] StevenK: why wouldn't it? [07:43] well... there are the people behind firewalls [07:44] and even if people do not (cannot due to technical limitations) stick around and seed, the whole swarm still comes out ahead compared to just a single server [07:44] nicely executed round-robin DNS would be a good solution too [07:44] for goodness sakes [07:44] I don't feel mirrored systems like Debian and Ubuntu lend themselves to peer-to-peer. [07:44] Burgundavia: I'm going to go nuts === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:44] LaserJock: oh? [07:45] StevenK: the way I see it.... There are ~700MB of packages we know for sure every Ubuntu user needs to get... in fact, it's the Alternate CD [07:45] Burgundavia: #edubuntu [07:45] ahh [07:45] StevenK: have that torrented and populate the apt cache.... [07:45] that will at least free up a good chunk of load off the servers === koke [n=koke@adsl-76-197-62-161.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:46] the challenge would be you would also need to md5 sum every package you got [07:46] to prevent malicious poisoning of the packages [07:47] Burgundavia: but all packages are PGP signed with the archive key [07:47] I t hink a simple hack that would even work today if scripted.... [07:47] (1) Download alternate CD from torrent [07:47] (2) mount it loopback, cp *.deb /var/cache/apt/archives [07:47] (3) get rid of the CD, etc.... [07:47] (4) launch upgrader === Zic[Laptop] [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:48] that alone should spare the servers of 700MB or so of downloads [07:50] jdong: Yes, that should help;. [07:50] s/;// === reggaemanu_ [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-58-128.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@35-4.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:36] Hm, it seems that one of gmail & Evolution doesn't like the other. Or rather, doesn't like me trying to download approximately 25K emails over POP === crimsun scratches his forehead [08:39] someone tell me why I'm supposed to address bug reports using non-Ubuntu kernels (for alsa) [08:39] Linux fallen 2.6.20-gentoo #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Feb 15 02:46:07 EST 2007 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux <-- ?? [08:40] Intriguing. This is on launchpad, presumably? [08:40] bug 108795 [08:40] Malone bug 108795 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Mute Hotkey works but does not mute the sound" [Low,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/108795 [08:40] this is an obvious Reject [08:41] ah, he posted the wrong info [08:41] no wonder. [08:41] specialy if its kernel related [08:43] crimsun: fwiw; this happens to me too with ubuntu kernel === fraco [n=fraco@213.219.145.140.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:43] ivoks: completely different issue despite similar symptom [08:43] i guess :) [08:43] in your case, the support isn't fully functional in the driver [08:44] in his case, the support doesn't exist _at all_ in the driver. Neither emu10k1 nor ca0106 do it. [08:44] darn, TheMuso isn't around :( [08:44] yes, but if i change it to PCM, works well [08:44] ivoks: right, we can argue whose responsibility it is (control-center? l-s-2.6.20?) [08:45] right [08:45] i would reject it, with explanation why it is rejected [08:47] 108795 is interesting for other reasons, e.g., it illustrates perfectly bug 94189 [08:47] Malone bug 94189 in alsa-utils "Digital Output jack selected by default on a Soundblaster live" [Wishlist,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94189 === ferret_0567 [n=ferret_0@cpe-72-183-231-110.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:47] ajmitch: have you seen https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/bodhi/wiki ?> [08:47] Why is there a low latency Linux kernel image in universe on Feisty? [08:48] It's called "linux-image-lowlatency" [08:48] For hard-core audio app users. [08:48] because the multimedai people requested it [08:48] Does it work with the NVIDIA module? Is it good for anything else besides audio editing and video editing? [08:49] For the second part, not really. For the first, presumably. There'd be a linux-restricted-modules-lowlatency, right? [08:49] in multiverse. [08:50] Hmmm...I don't use the Ubuntu supplied NVIDIA module [08:50] That's generally a bad idea. [08:50] I wanted AIGLX in Edgy, so I upgraded it [08:50] It works fine, just don't try using "nv" again [08:50] Aaah, the drive to break systems for eyecandy. I can understand that :) [08:51] We give people plenty of rope with which to hang themselves. :) [08:51] And, err...all I have to do to fix it is to remove all of X and reinstall it? [08:51] Countless KDE packages and all? [08:51] ...my stupidity amazes me [08:52] Well...that's eye candy :-P [08:52] Burgundavia: can't say I have [08:52] ajmitch: looks interesting, if somewaht limited in scope === ajmitch shrugs [08:53] could be [08:53] I might reinstall, and, when I get my new computer, I'll NOT use the NVIDIA module [08:53] I heard of the nvidia-glx-new package [08:53] I'll use the Ubuntu one instead... [08:54] ferret_0567: You don't have to uninstall X. [08:55] It's actually quite simple, just uninstall the nvidia.com driver (they come with an --uninstall option) [08:55] Then install nvidia-glx-new [08:55] And hope that the nvidia.com driver cleans up after itself correctly :P [08:56] ok [08:56] I'll do that later...after I get my new computer [08:58] It'll be a Intel Core 2 Duo computer [08:58] I checked for compatibility [08:58] Gigabyte 965P-DS3 motherboard [09:00] Stupid JMicron chips on Core 2 Duo compatible motheboards mean that you can't choose just any motherboard === afflux [i=k@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x6E18D3C4] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:05] are merges.ubuntu.com and patches.ubuntu.com gone? === jussi01 [n=jussi01@dyn3-82-128-187-225.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:07] man-di: they should be there. merges might not be working yet though [09:09] Hobbsee: latter is down [09:10] ahh [09:11] merges.u.c is refusing connections, too [09:11] It could be that both {patches,merges}.u.c is hosting on casey.u.c [09:12] and what is casey doing? [09:13] Not running a webserver like it ought to be? [09:14] Hello and morning everyone! [09:15] okay, is there another way to see differences between Debian und Ubuntu? I wanna request some merges/syncs for Java related packages [09:16] man-di: I'd suggest you wait, given the toolchain for gutsy isn't fully uploaded yet. [09:17] StevenK: I work on the Java toolchain (in Debian) [09:17] StevenK: so merging might be okay for this [09:17] I will speak with doko [09:18] thanks === mc_ [n=mc@62.218.230.197] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lamego [n=lamego@a83-132-143-32.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:24] hello [09:24] anyone with LAMP installed ? === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:25] I get this strange problem with phpmyadmin, but I would like someone else to confirm it [09:27] Lamego: you dont say anything about your problem. How can someone then confirm it? === Zic[Laptop] [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:27] well, I started by asking if someone has AMP installed, otherwise I will be loosing time explaing the problem :P [09:28] after logging in phpmyadmin, and selection any action on it, i just get redirected to the login page [09:28] I didn't found anything relevant on the logs, and is a very odd behavior === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:29] I didn't had this problem with phpmyadmin a week ago, at the time I was using 32 bits (now I am with amd64) [09:30] but since there are som many components involved (apache, php, mysql) it's hard to figure where is the problem === Ash-Fox [i=UNKNOWN@fgd182.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #Ubuntu-motu === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu === allee [n=ach@dialin-145-254-255-028.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === finalbeta_ [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thekorn [n=thekorn@a81-14-150-202.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:02] morning motu's, I have a question. what is the correct way to create man pages? is there a tutorial somewhere that someone could point me to? === lukketto [n=lukketto@host30-193-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:03] yes, and i've got no idea what it is [10:03] docbook2man or something's oftne used, iirc [10:03]