[12:49] <asac> no it was i386
[12:49] <asac> anyway ... you said you respin anyway ... so lets see if things get fixed for iceape
[12:52] <asac> if you have clean rebuild with 1.1.4-7 installed, then there should be no problem.
[12:54] <asac> Package: iceape-browser
[12:54] <asac> Version: 1.1.1-3.mt6
[12:54] <asac> Depends: libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.13.1), libc6 (>= 2.5-0ubuntu1), libcairo2 (>= 1.4.2), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.2), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.9), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.10.3), libhunspell-1.1-0 (>= 1.1.5-1), ....
[12:54] <asac> thats what i get from apt-cache
[12:55] <asac> so ...
[12:55] <asac> :)
[12:55] <asac> i am out ... its late here
[01:36] <gnomefreak> thats the same thing i get but looking in control it doesnt say that. i was thinking where else i changed it and couldnt think of anywhere. night
[01:37] <gnomefreak> ha its the damn patch
[01:39] <gnomefreak> ok disabled patch and respinning
[03:43] <asac> anyone here?
[03:44] <asac> gnomefreak: can you send me the diff you currently have against iceape et al ... i would like to review and update bzr with your changes
[03:45] <asac> no hurry ... will do earliest tomorrow from what i can tell of todays motivation :)
[04:05] <hjmf> howdy!
[04:05] <hjmf> I'm around here for a while :)
[04:49] <asac> hi
[04:49] <asac> :)
[04:50] <gnomefreak> asac: yeah ill post it
[04:50] <asac> good
[04:51] <gnomefreak> holy crap
[04:51] <gnomefreak> hmmm
[04:51] <gnomefreak> a little bigger than i thought
[04:53] <gnomefreak> im loading so you can wget it
[04:54] <gnomefreak> asac: wget http://gnomefreak.youmortals.com/Feisty/iceape_1.1.1-3.mt7.diffigz
[04:54] <gnomefreak> shoot
[04:54] <gnomefreak> asac: wget http://gnomefreak.youmortals.com/Feisty/iceape_1.1.1-3.mt7.diff.gz
[04:55] <asac> no the diff against bzur
[04:55] <asac> aeh ... against svn
[04:55] <asac> with svn diff
[04:56] <gnomefreak> ok give me a minute im gonna finish up repo stuff real fast
[05:01] <gnomefreak> ok repo is back up
[05:03] <gnomefreak> asac: http://gnomefreak.pastebin.ca/452802
[05:03] <gnomefreak> brb
[05:51] <gnomefreak> i left the patch in there and just disabled it (80_hunspell) so it makes life easy when hunspell is merged
[06:20] <bur[n] er> hola... gnomefreak, you still here?
[06:20] <gnomefreak> !moztest
[06:20] <ubotu> The Mozilla-testing repos can be found at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/PreviewArchives. Please remember these are testing repos, the packages in these repos are not stable and may break things on your system. Use with caution.
[06:20] <gnomefreak> bur[n] er: ^^^
[06:20] <bur[n] er> danke
[06:21] <gnomefreak> bur[n] er: 1.99.release+2.0-1 is final release build
[06:21] <bur[n] er> i've been using 2.0 successfully for awhile now, but never had a proper .deb that overwrites 1.5
[06:22] <gnomefreak> ok just sent post to Ml of the fixes that were commited in repo for iceape and upgrades to tb and trunk
[06:22] <bur[n] er> it's weird how they changed config directories, do you handle this in your package?
[06:23] <gnomefreak> what do you mean? the changes in config are taken care of from debian/rules
[06:23] <gnomefreak> mozconfig file im assuming you are talking about
[06:23] <bur[n] er> ooh... thunderbird-gnome-support is in this repo too... how nice :)
[06:23] <gnomefreak> yes its all packages with thunderbird
[06:24] <bur[n] er> i'm talking about how they changed ot use ~/.thunderbird instead of ~/.mozilla-thunderbird
[06:24] <gnomefreak> it uses same profile i havent looked but shouldnt change
[06:25] <gnomefreak> you will need to install enigmail from the extenstion page also
[06:25] <bur[n] er> awww... the "official" package from getthunderbird.org uses ~/.thunderbird, but your pack uses ~/.mozilla-thunderbird still... i have my old settings
[06:25] <gnomefreak> it still uses ~/.mozilla-thunderbird
[06:28] <gnomefreak> this may not be the same for gutsy and we are not really done with feistys version either for our repo. when you install it let me know if you have unmet depends on anything there were some changes we made and i want to see if a freash install of it fixed these depends
[06:30] <bur[n] er> it works
[06:30] <bur[n] er> mine is not "fresh" though... I had 1.5
[06:33] <gnomefreak> thats fine
[06:34] <bur[n] er> should I upgrade to libnspr4-0d from feisty's 1.8.0.10 to your 4.6.6 ?
[06:35] <bur[n] er> that seems like a helluva jump
[06:35] <gnomefreak> yes
[06:35] <bur[n] er> the firefox package seems broken
[06:36] <gnomefreak> bur[n] er: without libnspr4-0d and libnss3-od nothing will work
[06:36] <gnomefreak> bur[n] er: define broken? and what firefox package?
[06:37] <bur[n] er> uhh... i can't upgrade, i'll brb though
[06:38] <gnomefreak> bur[n] er: when you get back please show me what it says
[06:41] <bur[n] er> firefox: Depends: libhunspell-1.1-0 (>= 1.1.5-1) but 1.1.4-7 is to be installed
[06:41] <gnomefreak> bur[n] er: ok ty i will respin
[06:41] <gnomefreak> there is a leftover patch (i just fixed that in iceape)
[06:41] <bur[n] er> yw, thanks for the repo :)
[06:42] <gnomefreak> bur[n] er: i should have it done within 18 hours
[06:42] <bur[n] er> whatever, firefox is 2.0.0.3 in feisty :)  thunderbird 1.5 just isn't as cool though
[06:42] <gnomefreak> ill start on it now
[06:46] <gnomefreak> asac: you around still?
[06:48] <gnomefreak> asac: when you get time take a look in firefox 2.0.0.x that we built for repo. it has hunspell patch but it looks like it is 2+ patches combined to use hunspell instead of myspell is this also deciding the version of it. let me know if you need it ill post it somewhere. but its still depending on 1.1.5
[06:50] <gnomefreak> * Rebuilt using hunspell 1.1.4-7 instead of version 1.1.5-6  as i did with iceape but iceape had the patch is fx the same patch differnet name?
[06:52] <bur[n] er> gnomefreak: you're a genius and a hero... thanks again!  If I can do anything else, just ask... I plan on idling here and will be in and out all day
[06:52] <gnomefreak> k
[06:53] <gnomefreak> ill be in and out today
[07:02] <gnomefreak> bug #94392
[07:02] <gnomefreak> bug 94392
[07:02] <ubotu> Malone bug 94392 in firefox "Broken URL in /etc/firefox/firefoxrc" [Low,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/94392
[07:06] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm
[07:11] <gnomefreak> bur[n] er: ill fix it as soon as i can
[07:14] <asac> gnomefreak: don't touch patches ... they are right
[07:15] <asac> as i said ... its just a rebuild ... nothing more
[08:52] <gnomefreak> asac: i already rebuilt it on the feisty version of hunspell but ill run it again and see if it changes
[08:57] <therealnanotube> hello, anyone around?
[08:57] <gnomefreak> therealnanotube: sort of
[08:57] <therealnanotube> heh, good enough :)
[08:57] <therealnanotube> i have a question about the mozilla software releases pgp key. not really an "ubuntu" problem, but i don't know where else to ask.
[08:58] <therealnanotube> question is - what pgp/gpg keyserver actually stores the mozilla pgp keys?
[08:58] <therealnanotube> it used to be on subkeys.pgp.net, but now it appears that it's not there anymore
[08:58] <gnomefreak> therealnanotube: might want to try #mozilla or irc.mozilla.org and join #mozilla
[08:58] <therealnanotube> ok, i will give it a shot. thanks :)
[08:58] <gnomefreak> yw
[09:01] <asac> gnomefreak: if you rebuild on feisty with right hunspell then everything should be fine ... why do you think it isn't?
[09:01] <gnomefreak> asac: because i rebuilt it on feisty with feistys hunspell and it didnt fix it i did it just before i did iceape and iceape was a patch issue
[09:02] <asac> i still don't get what you say with "a patch issue"
[09:04] <gnomefreak> i rebuilt everything on hunspell 1.1.4-7 and it was still asking for 1.1.5* even after changing build-deps removing the 80_hunspell patch fixed this issue. i know the patch is supposed to only make it depend on hunspell instead of myspell but something is wrong than
[09:05] <asac> don't remove any patch
[09:05] <asac> thats non-sense
[09:05] <gnomefreak> in iceape changing depends to 1.1.4-7 did nothing to the final build it still depended on 1.1.5
[09:05] <asac> it definitly has to do with you having wrong hunspell installed udring build
[09:06] <asac> you must not change anything
[09:06] <asac> no depends no nothing
[09:06] <asac> just have the right hunspell versions installed
[09:06] <gnomefreak> hunspell:
[09:06] <gnomefreak>   Installed: 1.1.4-7
[09:06] <gnomefreak>   Candidate: 1.1.4-7
[09:06] <gnomefreak>   Version table:
[09:06] <gnomefreak>  *** 1.1.4-7 0
[09:06] <gnomefreak>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/universe Packages
[09:06] <gnomefreak>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[09:06] <asac> not that package
[09:06] <asac> the -dev package
[09:06] <asac> libhunspell*dev
[09:06] <gnomefreak> :(
[09:07] <asac> just look at build-depends ... and see what version that package has
[09:07] <asac> and please don't remove any patch
[09:07] <asac> your current build now doesn't use hunspell at all
[09:08] <gnomefreak> it will
[09:08] <asac> (feisty32)root@hector:/home/asac# dpkg -l libhunspell*
[09:08] <asac> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
[09:08] <asac> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
[09:08] <asac> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[09:08] <asac> ||/ Name                Version             Description
[09:08] <asac> +++-[09:08] <asac> ii  libhunspell-1.1-0   1.1.4-7             spell checker and morphological analyzer (shared libra
[09:08] <asac> ii  libhunspell-dev     1.1.4-7             spell checker and morphological analyzer (development)
[09:08] <asac> thats what you need ... and you probably don't have them
[09:08] <asac> but 1.1.5
[09:09] <gnomefreak> it was libhunspell (i searched for libhunspell but i needed the 1.1-0 :(
[09:09] <gnomefreak> its being fixed
[09:10] <asac> gnomefreak: take care that you revert everything you changed now
[09:10] <asac> no patch drop nothing .) ... then everything should be right
[09:10] <therealnanotube> for now, no luck getting any help on irc.mozilla.org.... :(
[09:11] <gnomefreak> i am it will take rest of day but everything will be rebuilt
[09:11] <asac> therealnanotube: use google ... the key is somewhere on mozilla site
[09:11] <asac> gnomefreak: cool
[09:12] <therealnanotube> asac: i have found the key on google, that's no problem. but i want to know a pgp key server, so that i can import it easily with "gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv 1AF32821"
[09:12] <therealnanotube> asac: subkeys.pgp.net used to work, but now it doesn't have the key anymore, it appears...
[09:12] <asac> just import it manually
[09:12] <asac> no need for keyserver
[09:12] <asac> if you have it you can publish it on your own
[09:13] <therealnanotube> asac: i'm doing this so that i can update my "installnewfirefox.sh" script
[09:13] <therealnanotube> asac: so manual import is not really a good option :)
[09:14] <asac> depending on net is definitly even a worse option
[09:14] <asac> best ship the key with your script
[09:14] <asac> and always import manually
[09:15] <therealnanotube> asac: the script already depends on the net, because it has to download the firefox and thunderbird tar.gz anyway. but... including the key in the script seems like a good option, if i fail to find an "official" keyserver that mozilla uses.
[09:15] <asac> there is nothing like official keyserver
[09:15] <asac> and btw, the key is still everywhere
[09:15] <asac> dunno what you do
[09:16] <asac> and you cannot trust what you get from keyservers
[09:16] <asac> so you have to included trust-info in your script anyway.
[09:16] <asac> so ... just include the key :)
[09:17] <asac> otherwise, gpg --search-keys releases@mozilla.org will give you the key
[09:17] <therealnanotube> asac: heh well, ok, i guess you have convinced me. ;)
[09:20] <asac> therealnanotube: its real ... i mean the whole gpg verification is worth nothing as the key you get from the keyserver is not more trustworthy then the tarball you download from ftp.mozilla.org
[09:20] <gnomefreak> asac: did you change firefox bzr by chance?
[09:20] <asac> what changes do you want?
[09:20] <gnomefreak> none just asking if you did
[09:21] <asac> no ... see if merge brings in new changes though
[09:21] <asac> or better pull
[09:21] <gnomefreak> im installing bzr now
[09:22] <asac> you reinstallted system or why is it gone?
[09:22] <asac> gnomefreak: howver, i guess there are no new changes
[09:22] <therealnanotube> asac: well, i know that. but it's harder to compromise both the ftp.mozilla.org, and a keyserver, than just ftp.mozilla.org, plus it serves as a simple download integrity verifier as well. so it's better than nothing. :) and besides, for a third party, trusting subkeys.pgp.net is better than trusting some key i include in the script.
[09:24] <asac> sure ... its your script :)
[09:25] <therealnanotube> asac: heh, well /i/ trust it, but the numerous random people who download and use it really have no reason to. ;)
[09:27] <asac> please ensure that users know that the software they use is not supported by distributor
[09:28] <asac> e.g. PLEASE don't report issues with that software to ubuntu
[09:31] <asac> therealnanotube: ^^^^ +
[09:32] <therealnanotube> asac: was that "issues with software" stuff directed at me?
[09:32] <asac> yes
[09:32] <asac> its about a warning which would be nice
[09:34] <therealnanotube> aaah i see. i thought you were telling me not to report issues to ubuntu. :)
[09:35] <therealnanotube> the script already tells users to report any problems to me personally, rather than to ubuntu.
[09:40] <therealnanotube> anyway, thanks for your help. :) i'm gettin' outta here.
[11:09] <gnomefreak> maybe closer to tomorrow before the repo gets updated with the new packages
[11:29] <cjn> status of this bug is "needs info", can someone add a comment explaining what info is needed? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/99368
[11:29] <ubotu> Malone bug 99368 in firefox "SVG rotation renderization broken" [Undecided,Needs info] 
[11:43] <asac> cjn: please add mt-confirm tag
[11:43] <asac> i will look at it on next bug day then
[11:43] <asac> "Needs Info" without a tag is always wrong
[11:44] <asac> no doubt a reason that there was no progress so far on this bug so far
[11:45] <asac> we are working on tools to find such triaging bugs ... sorry for the inconvenience
[11:46] <asac> cjn: so just add the tag and it will be processed
[11:48] <gnomefreak> i added tag
[11:48] <asac> gnomefreak: fine ;)
[11:48] <gnomefreak> :)
[11:48] <asac> gnomefreak: we have a list of triaging bugs here:
[11:48] <asac> http://daniel.holba.ch/bugs/firefox.html
[11:48] <asac> those are bughelper results
[11:49] <gnomefreak> ok i will look at it this week. right now too much cpu usage
[11:49] <asac> "Wrong Status/Tag-Combination for Status 'XXX' are those that need some tag
[11:49] <asac> probably lots can be closed
[11:49] <gnomefreak> ok book marked
[11:49] <asac> gnomefreak: sure ;)
[11:50] <gnomefreak> :)
[11:50] <asac> problem is that that list is regenerated every 2 hours
[11:50] <asac> and that for about 1.5 hours the file is still growing
[11:50] <gnomefreak> no problem at all once i start working on it
[11:50] <asac> so sometimes you look at that page and see just 20 issues :)
[11:50] <asac> an hour later you see 150
[11:51] <gnomefreak> let it build up. i will get it under control best i can :)
[11:51] <asac> i will talk to dholbach so only complete lists will be visible there
[11:51] <gnomefreak> asac: dont forget to register nick with ubotu
[11:51] <asac> ah right
[11:51] <asac> ;)
[11:51] <asac> what was it?
[11:51] <gnomefreak> ummmmm
[11:51] <asac>  msg obuto register asac xxxx
[11:51] <asac> ?
[11:51] <asac> ok found it
[11:51] <asac>  /msg ubotu register nickname password
[11:51] <gnomefreak> shit
[11:52] <gnomefreak> ok /msg ubotu register asac password
[11:52] <asac> hmm ubotu doesn't like me
[11:52] <asac> :)
[11:52] <asac> Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[11:52] <gnomefreak> i figured as much why would it be that simple
[11:52] <asac> ;)
[11:53] <gnomefreak> %help register
[11:53] <asac> !help register
[11:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about help register - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:53] <gnomefreak> @help register
[11:53] <asac> maybe its not ubotu?
[11:53] <asac> ubotu: help
[11:53] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[11:53] <asac> ubotu: help register
[11:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about help register - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:54] <gnomefreak> im asking about the command atm that is the one given to me yesterday
[11:54] <gnomefreak> asac: try without the nick
[11:54] <asac> hmmm looks like its the way its documented in wiki ... but doesn't work
[11:54] <asac> ok will try without nick
[11:55] <asac> still doesn't like me
[11:55] <gnomefreak> still?
[11:55] <asac> yes
[11:55] <asac> guess i have to go into ubuntu-ops
[11:55] <asac> and ask for manual registration
[11:56] <gnomefreak> im waiting for answer
[11:56] <gnomefreak> the person that is answering me thinks i mean freenode :(
[11:56] <gnomefreak> %help
[11:56] <ubotu> (help [<plugin>]  [<command>] ) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
[11:57] <asac> %help register
[11:57] <gnomefreak> %help identify
[11:57] <ubotu> (identify <name> <password>) -- Identifies the user as <name>. This command (and all other commands that include a password) must be sent to the bot privately, not in a channel.
[11:57] <asac> %help register
[11:57] <asac> %help register
[11:57] <asac> hmmm no command "register"
[11:57] <gnomefreak> noticed that
[11:57] <asac> %help acommands
[11:57] <asac> %help commands
[11:57] <asac> %help ALL
[11:57] <gnomefreak> %list commands
[11:58] <gnomefreak> ever since bots were merged i have a hard time remembering commands
[11:58] <asac> guess no luck for me then :)
[11:59] <asac> %help factoid
[11:59] <asac> %help factoids
[11:59] <asac> ubotu: you suck
[11:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about you suck - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:59] <asac> tell asac about register
[11:59] <asac> :)
[11:59] <asac> !tell asac about register
[11:59] <gnomefreak> :)
[12:00] <gnomefreak> thats for freenode :)
[12:00] <asac> hmm
[12:01] <asac> then i am already identified
[12:01] <asac> what the hell does ubotu want from me?
[12:01] <gnomefreak> he wants you to register with him.
[12:01] <asac> hehe
[12:02] <asac> ubotu: register or die :)
[12:02] <asac> ubotu: forget it
[12:02] <gnomefreak> now try it
[12:03] <gnomefreak> with nick and password
[12:03] <asac> ups
[12:03] <asac> he thinks that i really want him to forget something
[12:03] <gnomefreak> we know we got the post :)
[12:03] <asac> yeah
[12:03] <asac> worked
[12:03] <gnomefreak> did it work?
[12:03] <asac> what was wrong?
[12:03] <gnomefreak> ok cool
[12:03] <gnomefreak> it wasnt enabled
[12:03] <asac> k
[12:04] <asac> no i am identified ;)
[12:04] <gnomefreak> %addeditor asac
[12:04] <ubotu> OK
[12:04] <gnomefreak> asac: ther eyou go :)
[12:04] <asac> great ;) ... now i need a reason to edit i guess ;)
[12:04] <asac> maybe tomorrow
[12:04] <asac> i will have some ;)
[12:04] <asac> thanks!
[12:04] <gnomefreak> yw
[12:07] <asac> gnomefreak: i am really happy that we now fixed the libhunspell mess for you ... it somehow blocked you i guess ;)
[12:08] <asac> endless respins et al :)
[12:08] <asac> hopefully gutsy will open soon so we can move tbird 2.0 in
[12:08] <asac> and all the other stuff ... and concentrate on patch testing for preview archive again
[12:09] <asac> this transition testing needs just lots of packages and i am sorry that you finally had to deal with that many things
[12:09] <asac> at least since you just got started
[12:09] <gnomefreak> it opened
[12:09] <asac> it was quite a huge thing to start with ... e.g. hosting archive to transition
[12:09] <asac> gutsy?
[12:09] <gnomefreak> toolchain is sort of there
[12:10] <gnomefreak> yes but no chroot
[12:10] <asac> sort of is probably not good enough :)
[12:10] <asac> what happens if you run debootstrap gutsy?
[12:10] <gnomefreak> its there i heard 2 updates to it
[12:10] <gnomefreak> i get error no gutsy in debootstrap
[12:10] <gnomefreak> i can give you error in a minute
[12:10] <asac> ah ok ... we probably have to wait for a bit more than the toolchain anyay
[12:11] <gnomefreak> thats what i was thinking
[12:11] <gnomefreak> but hoping before alpha1
[12:11] <asac> actually we need gtk+ stuff which is pretty high in the foodchain :)
[12:11] <asac> yeah definitly
[12:11] <gnomefreak> true
[12:11] <asac> i want things in a week or two ready for us
[12:11] <gnomefreak> WE need alot before we can add anything
[12:12] <asac> yeah
[12:12] <asac> ;)
[12:12] <gnomefreak> it wont happen (im betting on that)
[12:12] <asac> but we could upload our sources... which will wait there until everything is avail
[12:12] <gnomefreak> true
[12:12] <asac> hmmm ... so probably preview archive will stay that size ... and even grow more
[12:13] <gnomefreak> im assuming the OO.o people maintain hunspell (may take a while to get new version in)
[12:13] <asac> enigmail ... locales ... wuold be really good i guess
[12:13] <gnomefreak> asac: i will make gutsy repo soon
[12:13] <gnomefreak> those would be great :)
[12:13] <asac> yes thats good ... i would like to reduce feisty repo to just carry tbird 2.0 backports (+enigmail + locales) and firefox-trunk again
[12:13] <asac> all development should go into gutsy
[12:14] <gnomefreak> if its ready
[12:14] <asac> then our repo will again ship patches which we need feedback
[12:14] <asac> ah ;)
[12:15] <gnomefreak> the people testing the repo seem to be testing the shit we dont NEED tested
[12:15] <asac> hmmm
[12:15] <asac> gutsy Packages.gz is already 1.2Mb
[12:15] <gnomefreak> iceape is main one
[12:15] <asac> so probably its all there already
[12:15] <gnomefreak> asac: i have to clean it out
[12:15] <gnomefreak> i have 4 versions of crap in there
[12:15] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah ... we can drop old builds
[12:15] <asac> definitly
[12:15] <gnomefreak> i havent gotten to that yet
[12:16] <gnomefreak> when i upload these ill clean it to hold 2 versions of everything
[12:16] <asac> only keep two versions if we want to test upgrade path from somewhere old to somewhere old
[12:16] <asac> 2nd old is new of course :)
[12:17] <gnomefreak> true
[12:18] <gnomefreak> the people that wanted iceape in besides me wont use iceape under that name is what i gathered from a convo with someone a while back (you were there)
[12:19] <asac> hmm
[12:19] <gnomefreak> its a bit late to be changing it now. and i kind of like the iceape branding (and ease of patching from debian
[12:19] <gnomefreak> thats something we need to do
[12:19] <gnomefreak> or me needs to do
[12:19] <asac> i think iceape is good ... we can have seamonkey as well at some point
[12:20] <gnomefreak> i would push seamonkey in gutsy+1 if decided
[12:20] <asac> why do you think people won't use iceape?
[12:20] <gnomefreak> leave iceape now and just make it transitional package in gutsy+1
[12:20] <gnomefreak> asac: one person said it
[12:21] <gnomefreak> and i should have gotten some iceape doesnt work (more so than 2)
[12:21] <asac> yeah problem is that trolls always cry most
[12:21] <asac> don't listen to the mob
[12:21] <gnomefreak> i didnt but i did like the idea of having it in repos
[12:21] <asac> yeah might have been broken because of general problems we had in repo
[12:22] <asac> but nothing because its "iceape" instead of "seamonkey"
[12:22] <gnomefreak> asac: its the same other than a name and icons
[12:22] <gnomefreak> lol
[12:22] <asac> if devels commit to maintain it .. it will make it
[12:23] <asac> its iceool :)
[12:23] <gnomefreak> asac: they havent yet what makes you think they will
[12:23] <gnomefreak> did you hear back from them?
[12:23] <asac> i think 0.2/0.3 was too early and maintaining it in a stable branch was too much work
[12:23] <gnomefreak> makes sense
[12:24] <asac> ow that they are at 0.5 .. they might be more tempted to maintain stable
[12:24] <asac> haven't talked yet
[12:24] <gnomefreak> are they there yet?
[12:24] <gnomefreak> at 0.5
[12:24] <asac> but honestly we have still plenty time for gutsy :)
[12:24] <asac> not sure ... but almost there at least
[12:24] <gnomefreak> for things new to being packaged i would like in early to allow for official testing
[12:25] <asac> sure
[12:25] <gnomefreak> are we maintaining nss and nspr?
[12:25] <asac> 3 month before release should be more than enough
[12:25] <asac> yes
[12:25] <gnomefreak> k
[12:25] <asac> nss + nspr + xulrunner + firefox + thunderbird will probably be in main
[12:26] <gnomefreak> whoa
[12:26] <gnomefreak> we are building xulrunner seperately?
[12:26] <asac> firefox-trunk will go either universe or will be removed just before release (so it doesn't ship in stable main)
[12:26] <asac> not yet ... but yes, we will.
[12:26] <gnomefreak> ok
[12:26] <gnomefreak> cool :)
[12:27] <asac> epiphany et al will all build against it