=== SuperMike [n=mike@c-67-173-55-141.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [12:59] Hello [12:59] I am shopping for a video capture card are there any HD affordable cards out there? [01:00] whats affordable [01:00] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Feisty_hardware_list [01:01] there is a good list to start from [01:45] is there anything that would make a single channel unstable over firewire? [01:46] bad signal quality [01:46] i have a problem from time to time with individual channels [01:46] tvland is a known culprit [01:46] hmm [01:47] hbo west will do it every time to me [01:47] look at the backend log for codec and stream errors [01:47] "do it" meaning? refuse to display, crap out during...? [01:47] i get almost nothing in my backend log [01:47] the only thing i ever get is pertaining to my priming [01:48] hm. [01:48] something not right there. [01:48] i do see something, but its not in the logs [01:48] you should get all important info. [01:48] if i start the backend from the command line wouldn't i see errors and such? [01:49] i saw sync errors when it died last time, im trying to replicate [01:49] yes... if started directly. [01:49] synch errors and pacet stream errors will bork things [01:50] and what happens is when i switch to 551 (hbo west) it brings me back to the front end and says there was a problem displaying the video [01:50] sometimes you can slide thru with packet errors, synch errors generally grind to a halt [01:50] yes. definite stream errors then. [01:50] that chan is clear, correct? [01:50] yea [01:51] stream errors then [01:55] try starting it by manually with: [01:56] mythbackend -v playback 2>&1 > ~/Desktop/errortest.log & [01:58] that will direct playback errors to a logfile and route all errors and the playback errors to that terminal as well [01:58] (should help you isolate the stream error) [01:59] i had to sudo it and do it to just /errortest.log as i have to desktop [02:00] you had to sudo mythbackend? [02:00] yea [02:00] hm. [02:00] hold on [02:00] il paste it [02:01] thomas@athena:~$ mythbackend -v playback 2>&1 > ~/errortest.log & [02:01] [1] 5936 [02:01] thomas@athena:~$ Starting up as the master server. [02:01] /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/nfslockfile.lock: Permission denied [02:01] Unable to open lockfile! [02:01] Be sure that '/var/lib/mythtv/recordings' exists and that both [02:01] the directory and that file are writeable by this user. [02:01] what is your [02:01] ls -l /usr/bin/mythbackend [02:02] thomas@athena:~$ ls -l /usr/bin/mythbackend [02:02] -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 811496 2007-04-12 18:48 /usr/bin/mythbackend [02:03] hm. k. [02:03] it's ok. [02:03] are you getting good error reporting in the logfile? [02:04] you can use other options with the -v option. -v all will show ALL available output [02:05] im getting more, i wouldn't say its better [02:05] which is great insight into how the whole package works, if you are ever interested [02:05] try it with -v all then [02:06] by default, it is supposed to be -v important, which shows all error messages [02:18] arg [02:18] it would help if i could switch to the firewire [02:18] ? [02:18] idk, [02:18] it just wont switch [02:19] in live tv [02:19] stop the backend and set it to start on a known good channel [02:19] then it should switch [02:19] ah [02:19] i see why [02:19] dang schedules [02:20] LOL recording is it? [02:20] yea [02:20] although it didn't tell me that [02:20] i had to look in the backend status of mythweb [02:26] Majoridiot, what card do you recommend? [02:27] i can't, SuperMike- i only do DH over firewire [02:27] maybe tgm4883 can help [02:27] i like the pcHDTV 5500 [02:27] if not, try to catch superm1 and talk to him [02:27] What capture device do you recommend then? I want to record my Xbox 360. [02:28] are you trying to record your 360 over component? [02:28] I believe 360 in HD only comes with component. [02:28] component capture cards are about $1000 [02:28] What! [02:29] yea [02:29] i know [02:29] what resolution? 720p or 1080p? [02:29] ? [02:29] what do you mean [02:29] i dont know if there are vga capture cards, but you could check and see [02:30] TV comes in at different resolution. 480p 720p 1080i 1080p [02:30] yea [02:30] So what is the capture cards highest video mode that it can capture? [02:30] what video out options from the 360 do you have? connection-wise [02:31] Component [02:31] New Xbox 360 will have HDMI [02:31] no other SD out? [02:31] there isn't a hdmi capture card for linux [02:31] or do you want to record only native hd dtreams? [02:31] there is one for windows [02:31] but no linux support [02:31] Any capture cards support component? [02:32] let me find you one, but they are expensive [02:33] Would I have to get a Component to something adapater? [02:34] im not sure if they make an adapter for what you need [02:35] What is this? http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/intensity/ [02:35] you would need an adapter that would make it either RG6 [02:35] that has no linux support [02:35] damn [02:35] isn't it funny i know exactly what that is without visiting the page [02:35] Okay what are the High Def cards that are supported in linux? [02:36] or a component to firewire adapter [02:36] although i dont know if either exist [02:36] i like the pcHDTV 5500 [02:36] what do you like pcHDTV? [02:36] it has full linux support (it was developed for linux) and they are working on getting windows support [02:37] what interface is it? RGB cables? [02:37] i like it cause it was developed for linux, and works with mythtv *almost* out of the box [02:37] for HD its RG6 [02:37] as most capture cards are [02:37] the *almost* was just an oversight [02:37] yea [02:37] What do you mean by HD? [02:37] high def [02:38] it also has svideo inputs and composite [02:38] What high def resolution? [02:39] What is it max res? [02:40] http://www.pchdtv.com/ [02:40] Already, there. It dont say. [02:41] All it say is, he pcHDTVTM Hi Definition Television Card [02:41] i noticed [02:41] but im not sure if were thinking about this the right way [02:42] as im not sure for capturing it matters, it is the graphics card that has to display it [02:42] I want to record video, so i wanna know what will my video resolution be? 320x240 640x480 720x576 1280x720 === majoridiot suggests getting a component to svideo/auso adapter cable, a pvr-150 and recording it at 720x480... [02:43] $100 out the door [02:43] but if your using a component to svideo adapter your only getting svideo quality === majoridiot is thinking of the budget considerations [02:44] if you do that, you should get the svideo cables for the 360 [02:44] right [02:44] they need a firewire cables for the 360 [02:44] that would be nice [02:45] but it'll never happen [02:45] Xbox 360 has AV cables but then you have to play the xbox at non high def mode. I want to splice the connection. Play the game and record on computer. Then come back to computer and edit video. === tgm4883_ says that while thinking about his firewire problems :( [02:45] firewire gives you direct bus access... to easy to use as hack entrance [02:45] direct DMA access [02:45] you might want to look at an external type device [02:46] I dont think your getting that HD onto the computer, not cheaply anyway [02:46] not at an affordable price [02:46] there has always been a lot of discussion on this exact topic [02:46] on http://www.videohelp.com [02:46] Okay, well I really want to buy a card. I am so sick of reading unless forums. I just want something that works out of the box with Linux. [02:47] *endless [02:47] well there isn't an easy way to do what you want to do [02:47] thats why there are endless forums [02:47] Are you guys going to be on later? I am getting pried away from the keyboard to head over to our BBQ party. [02:48] when you say splice? [02:48] do you actually mean cutting into the cable [02:48] and making two heads [02:48] Hey, got to run? You going to be on later tongiht? [02:48] perhaps [02:49] k [02:49] not sure [02:49] I am goign to message you when I get back === rogue780|laptop [n=rogue780@c-68-49-53-29.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [02:58] hey superm1 === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [03:04] hey rogue780... [03:05] superm1 was looking for you the other night [03:12] I was looking for him too [03:12] I need to just give him my e-mail address [03:18] anyway, I have a usplash theme made, but no thinking I made it on my dapper box...so I need to remake it for feisty. shouldn't take too awfully long I don't think [03:19] :) [03:22] how do you change a networking device from eth1 to eth0? [03:23] rogue780|laptop i can get superm1 your email if you would like [03:24] i know he wants to talk to you [03:24] I replied to your pm with it...didn't you get it? [03:24] hm. nope. [03:24] email it to ubuntuidiot at gmail [03:24] and i'll forward that to him [03:25] tgm4883_, the actual device? or the reference in the interfaces folder? you might actually be able to make a symbolic link to it or whatnot...not 100% sure [03:25] i guess the reference [03:25] i had 2 devices [03:25] and removed the eth0 device [03:26] now i have no networking in windows 2000 [03:26] (Via vmplayer) [03:26] as it only knows about eth0 [03:26] in your .vmx file change the eth0 to eth1 (that used to work anyway) [03:26] can i just vim that? [03:27] majoridiot, check your e-mail [03:27] got it [03:27] tgm4883_, personally I'd nano it, bit vim should work just as well [03:28] k... i forwarded it to him :) [03:28] i just opened it in gedit just to look and thats not listed in there, there are a few other things [03:29] that sort of look like ith [03:29] alot of "ethernet0.present = true" [03:29] now pls excuse me whilst i focus on some steak for a few... ;) [03:29] stuff like that [03:29] brb gotta pick up a pizza (back in 5) [03:32] tgm4883_, try changing ethernet0 to ethernet1 (make sure you back up the original file before you make any changes) [03:33] majoridiot, do you know what the official name is going to be for this lovely version of ubuntu? mythbuntu, or what? figure I should get it right as I am making the new usplash [03:33] i believe it is officially mythbuntu [03:48] how about Ubuntu, the super duper premium platinum, ultra precious edition [03:49] nice [03:50] never do a google images search for ubuntu logo... [03:50] ? [03:50] no? [03:51] you can get official ubuntu logos direct from ubuntu [03:52] http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuArtwork [04:03] lol [04:04] are you telling me those aren't good logos on google search [04:04] per ubuntu: If you are using the logo, please use one of these officially approved versions. [04:04] ah [04:04] so for mythbuntu inclusion, no... prolly not [04:04] ;) [04:05] i thought we were getting official ubuntu spokeswomen === majoridiot thinks that is a fine idea [04:06] i'll make it my duty to invite women over to proposition them [04:06] ....about being spokeswomen [04:11] but...but...but...my logo is so much better [04:11] It is important to maintain the visual integrity of the Ubuntu logo. We therefore ask that anyone considering use of the logo keep the following guidelines in mind. Following these guidelines will increase the chances that we will quickly approve your use of the logo. [04:11] * When appearing in multiple colours, the logo should use only the "official" logo colours. [04:11] * You may use transparency and gradient/depth tools, but should still maintain the Ubuntu colours. [04:11] * A monotone version may be acceptable in certain situations, if the use requires it (e.g., desktop backgrounds). [04:11] * Any scaling must retain the original proportions of the logo. [04:11] * Other than the variations listed here, the logo may not be modified in any way. [04:11] * Additional text may not be added in such a way that it appears to be part of the logo itself. [04:12] (ubuntu trademark use policy) === MegaQuark_ [n=gary@pool-71-111-188-88.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [04:13] argh..so much for my cool 3d version [04:14] what about having the text be white....? black text against a black background is not good [04:14] The black text is now the officially sanctioned version...... [04:15] i beleive text colors are ok to change [04:15] so what do they want me to do? [04:15] just not the image color itself [04:15] I think I've figured a way... [04:15] these buttons are all "official" and have variations in text color: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WebsiteButtons [04:16] so you should be ok === lbci_irc [n=lbci_irc@cpe-75-84-19-68.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [04:23] majoridiot, check your e-mail...that's just a preliminary mockup...let me know what you think === lbci_irc [n=lbci_irc@cpe-75-84-19-68.socal.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-mythtv ["Konversation] [04:25] imo it would better with "ubuntu" in white and the background black [04:25] ok [04:25] that's what I was kinda thinking too [04:25] stupid question...who knows how to invert colors in gimp? [04:25] no clue [04:26] you could always just do a series of fills [04:27] i am such an idiot...I'll blame it on the fact that it's getting late [04:27] i.e. fill blue over white BG, then white over the black ubuntu then black ober blue BG === majoridiot is expert at being an idiot [04:28] majoridiot, i think i found a tweak to the guide [04:28] shoot... [04:29] at Backend Configuration: mythtv-setup [04:29] in the combined frontend/backend setup [04:29] it no longer goes into mythtv frontend when booted [04:29] it checks and sees that the backend is installed but mythtv-setup hasn't been run [04:30] so the guide tells you to esc out of the frontend [04:30] when you aren't in there [04:31] ok [04:31] so where are you? [04:31] do you see the splash? [04:31] im at a prompt asking me if i want to run mythtv-setup [04:32] the spash is behind it [04:32] is this after doing the GDM restart? [04:32] right after i restarted the gdm after installing the frontend [04:32] yea [04:32] majoridiot, better? [04:33] (check email) [04:37] tgm4883: please reload that page and see if that is now accurate [04:38] rogue780|laptop: yes, much better. it pops now. [04:39] do you like the perspective of the mythbuntu logo? [04:39] rogue780|laptop: something to consider misght be the placement of the two logos so close to the edges... they might (likely) be cut off due to TV overscan when displayed on TVs [04:39] good thought [04:39] majoridiot, you changed it on the combined frontend/backend only? [04:39] rogue780|laptop: the perspective seems a little forced. hard to read cleanly. [04:40] tgm4883: correct [04:40] so, more subtle then? [04:40] maybe [04:41] maybe move "southeast" as it were... to be able to read all three elements at a glance [04:41] ? [04:42] ok, not correct yet, its in the right place, but after you click ok it goes straight into the frontend where you select the language [04:42] then after that to general, capture cards, etc [04:43] never takes you to the blank background to right click or to the login screen [04:43] so the sequence is... [04:43] wait. [04:43] gdm restart, mythtv-setup prompt, language, main mythtv-setup [04:44] ok... [04:44] the language prompt is not for the frontend, tho... that's the first screen of the backend setup. [04:44] oh sorry duh [04:45] do you still get the prompt to be added to the mythtv group, have to logout, etc? [04:45] no, haven't gotten it yet === majoridiot thinks he just needs to do this install himself to see [04:45] tgm4883: thanks for the heads up [04:45] np [04:50] eh? southeast? so the right gets bigger then and drops down? [04:50] no... [04:51] just move it down and to the left a little... [04:51] to make all 3 elements more cohesive [04:55] WAIT A MINUTE! [04:55] tgm4883: are you reinstalling AGAIN?!?! [04:56] no [04:56] well [04:56] not reallly but yea [04:56] im testing the 6200 and firewire on a different box [04:56] so i am installing a fresh install, but on a different box than my main box [04:57] for testing purposes [04:57] i couldn't do this to my main box again [04:57] you guys would kill me [04:57] ah [04:57] :) [04:57] although if it works........... [04:57] as a point of interest... [04:57] if you have probs with the testbox too... [04:58] try installing edgy === majoridiot is starting to wonder if there are firewire issues with feisty or the feisty packages [04:58] i never could get edgy installed on either of these boxes [04:58] damn. [04:58] well thats not entirely true [04:58] i had nforce 400 issues [04:59] edgy installed, but i couldn't do crap on it [04:59] yes... the forcedeth driver had issues. i ran into that too. [04:59] and it seemed there was a gap in the support for it [04:59] i was disappointed with the edgy rls [04:59] 2.6.18 had support, and nvidia only had source for up to like 2.6.12 [05:00] i just installed it on my main box a month or so ago [05:00] I did have it installed on my main box, but just upgraded it to feisty with a fresh install [05:02] i had the beta installed on it but it would hard lock up [05:02] had to hit reset many times [05:02] not fun [05:03] well I'm heading to bed...I've got a 6k tomorrow and should probably be well rested I suppose [05:04] adios..see ya'll tomorrow [05:04] nite [05:04] nite [05:04] nite [05:04] now to test feisty's hibernate ability on my laptop [05:29] tgm4883: ok... i think that page is accurate now. thanks again. [05:40] np [05:40] i think i found the problem [05:41] whaz that? [05:41] maybe its just a poorly broadcast channel [05:41] :shrugs: [05:41] likely, yes [05:41] cause we have run through everything else [05:42] now does it do that on all poorly broadcast channels, or just HD [05:42] contact the chief engineer at your local comcast and enquire [05:42] anything poorly broadcast [05:42] as i said, tvland (SD) is sketchy at times [05:43] but some HD streams are also notoriously "dirty" [05:44] hmm [05:44] make a list of the channels that are lousy so they can check them all at once [05:44] the log is interesting [05:44] ? [05:44] let me pm you [05:44] k [05:44] or DCC it [05:44] yup [05:45] malformed transport stream [05:46] but the box didn't actually stop working until i switched to 751 [05:46] which isnt where the ts packet problems were [05:47] i figure as long as it still works on the channels i wanted (ie discovery hd, espn hd) then im good. I didn't plan on recording HBO as i have blockbuster online for movies [05:48] yeah, i guess no need in complaining unless you use it [05:48] except for the benefit of the masses in general [05:49] yea i will probably call down there after i get my list [05:49] but the problem is malformed transport streams [05:49] ok [05:49] in my experience, the engineers are good guys to deal with [05:49] the whole box seems to work better now [05:50] the backend primes and starts faster [05:50] you might also consider putting together a copy of sections from the log with the important things that might help them track it down... [05:50] 0x2b742b70afd0] ac-tex damaged at 1 67 is important [05:50] because that throws the rest of the stream out of synch [05:50] sometimes it recovers, sometimes not [05:51] ah [05:51] looks like that one recovered [05:51] does that with keyframes? [05:52] not exactly, no [05:52] it's *really* complicated [05:52] i think that is part of the EIT block... [05:52] ah [05:53] the good news is that when it exits to frontend i can kinda just go right back in to watch tv to check it [05:53] essentially, (and GROSSLY oversimplifying) the ability for it to "recover" depends on where damage is [05:53] yes [05:54] unfortunatly i have to go through a couple hundred channels to see what works and not [05:54] most should be ok, since you know they are clear [05:55] yea, but i still have to check for the poor broadcasts [05:55] you will have occasional errors anyway. the firewire libraries are still a work in progress, after all. [05:55] i almost want to put my old firewire card in to see if it works or not [05:55] but i think ill stick with this one [05:56] did you get a new one today? [05:56] yea [05:56] ah [05:56] i picked up a belkin one [05:56] has a TI chipset [05:56] good [05:56] you are probably having a much better time of it then [05:57] yea, the whole setup seems cleaner [05:57] :D [05:57] probably cause ive done it a couple times now and the packages rock [05:58] the packages are something else. [05:58] just wait for mythbuntu [05:58] :) [05:59] hell, pretty soon its gonna be like "sudo apt-get install mythtv" and poof the whole system will install and setup a few scheduled programs [05:59] well... close. [05:59] ;) [05:59] just put in a cd [06:02] the good news with going through each channel is I can see what channels have crap content [06:03] lemme save you some time... [06:03] most channels have crap content. [06:03] LOL [06:03] im finding that out [06:04] i have 150 some odd channels or something... [06:04] i regularly watch 4 or 5 [06:04]