[12:27] <obsethryl> bye bye :)
[12:35] <nalioth> interesting fellow
[12:37] <Tm_T> hi
[12:39] <Tm_T> why did we/I get kicked from #ubuntu-release-party in middle of release party?
[12:41] <ompaul> Tm_T, cos it was the middle of the afternoon
[12:42] <ompaul> no one had talked for a few hours
[12:42] <ompaul> and +1 was open
[12:43] <Tm_T> hmh
[12:50] <ompaul> really it was cos +1 was open
[01:01] <Tm_T> first they kick me out from +1 and now they kick me back in, weird...
[01:02] <atoponce> boy. that obsethryl conversation was... uh... 'interesting'
[01:03] <atoponce> i epsecially enjoyed "for evey damage (C) party (A) institutes on party (B)..."
[01:11] <LjL> Tm_T: we kicked you to -offtopic actually :P
[01:11] <Tm_T> LjL: oh wait, my kicking is offtopic
[01:12] <Tm_T> is talking about offtopic offtopic in -offtopic?
[01:12] <LjL> Tm_T: absolutely
[01:12] <LjL> it's ontopic here, though :)
[01:12] <Tm_T> :)
[01:13] <Tm_T> ok, time to go to bed, thanks and g'night
[01:13] <LjL> night
[01:14] <LjL> hey, i was *totally* on the losing side of a netsplit... what shame
[01:18] <effie_jayx> atoponce,  indeed...
[01:21] <LjL> was that a lawyer?
[01:21] <LjL> more than due to the language, i say that because i cannot understand whether he was blaming or praising seveas
[01:21] <effie_jayx> LjL,  a troll layer... ??
[01:22] <LjL> :)
[01:22] <effie_jayx> LjL,  a religious lawyer.. then... praising the lord of ubuntu
[01:24] <LjL> think i'll print the log
[01:24] <LjL> i thought i was cavillous, but i've got a lot to learn
[01:25] <LjL> PriceChild: my spell checker doesn't have it, but i checked on google before typing =)
[01:25] <atoponce> i'd be half tempted to blog about it, just due to the interesting nature of it
[01:26] <LjL> make it "captious", at least m-w has that one
[01:26] <atoponce> but then party (A) might offend party (B) due to the content of afformentioned blog (C)
[01:26] <PriceChild> "Characterized by caviling, or disposed to cavil" - That definition doesn't help
[01:26] <LjL> http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/cavillous
[01:26] <PriceChild> That must be the worst dictionary entry I have seen :)
[01:26] <LjL> anyway, "lawyer-like" :P
[01:27] <Madpilot> I noticed that the legalistic chap was hanging out in #debian.gr - gr = greece, I'm pretty sure, so we might also be having English As A Second Language issues
[01:27] <LjL> err, well maybe, but unless he comes directly from aristotle's greece... :P
[01:29] <effie_jayx> but he surely knew how to lay our hypothetical situations ...
[01:29] <effie_jayx> s/our/out
[01:30] <atoponce> that reminds me of the xkcd cartoon on the same topic recently
[01:30] <LjL> maybe he *is* a lawyer from canonical, and we're ##"ed :P
[01:31] <effie_jayx> LjL,  nah...
[01:31] <effie_jayx> Seveas would have told us...
[01:33] <LjL> uh? of course, if he actually *were* that, he'd be *after* seveas :P
[01:33] <effie_jayx> LjL,  I think he was just a philosopher tr0ll
[01:34] <effie_jayx> LjL,  the use of  "usual "irc" warfare"
[01:34] <LjL> so do i of course, i was just kidding :)
[01:34] <effie_jayx> that just says it all
[01:34] <LjL> he's an UnderNet lawyer :P
[01:34] <effie_jayx> hehe
[01:34] <effie_jayx> you had me going there
[01:35] <LjL> well i'd have said EFNet lawyer, but that doesn't really sound right
[01:57] <xblackfire> how to set a cloak for my nick ?
[01:58] <LjL> xblackfire: ask a staffer
[01:58] <LjL> !register
[01:58] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[01:58] <gnomefreak> bribes are good ;) j/k
[01:58] <LjL> should be mentioned in the Freenode FAQ
[01:58] <xblackfire> ok LjL
[01:58] <gnomefreak> xblackfire: there are 7 steps when you get through them contact a staffer
[01:58] <LjL> and bribe them
[01:59] <xblackfire> what steps ?
[01:59] <LjL> the ones mentioned on the FAQ ;P
[02:01] <xblackfire> ok, reading the faq, now
[02:27] <xblackfire>  le da la bienvenida a leogg
[02:27] <xblackfire> wrong channel, sorry
[03:04] <nzk> Hey, can I get unbanned from #ubuntu yet?
[03:04] <nzk> Its been 8 months :\
[03:30] <nzk> Anyone?
[04:37] <gnomefreak> @btlogin
[04:39] <Hobbsee> one thing occurs to me, with opening #ubuntu+1 again
[04:40] <Hobbsee> people seem to not have realised that that now applies to gutsy, not feisty
[04:40] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: they cant read
[04:40] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: i know.  which was why i was thinking of putting the forward there again
[04:41] <nalioth> why did we open it so quickly?
[04:41] <Hobbsee> at least till the proper toolchain, etc is done
[04:41] <Hobbsee> because gutsy repos are there
[04:41] <gnomefreak> nzk: i was looking through logs from your bans we need to let seveas decide but by the looks of the logs i doubt it will happen soon but that is my opinion
[04:41] <gnomefreak> they need to hurry up and get debootstrap in :(
[04:42] <Hobbsee> it'll probably be broken
[04:42] <Hobbsee> give them a few days off :P
[04:42] <gnomefreak> true
[04:42] <gnomefreak> oh of course
[04:42] <Hobbsee> bah.  i say to reforward it
[04:43] <Hobbsee> only devs should be running it at the moment, and they have -motu / -devel
[04:43] <gnomefreak> nzk: your best bet is to wait for seveas maybe try back in around 12 hours or so unless he is away for weekend
[04:45] <gnomefreak> im also building fx3 fx2 thunderbird2 and others :)
[04:46] <nalioth> +1 has been reforwarded until something more usable to mere mortals exists
[04:48] <Fujitsu> nalioth: Bah, they'll just attack other channels.
[04:49] <Fujitsu> Come on, they can get a new binutils and tzdata. It won't break yet :P
[04:49] <nalioth> Fujitsu: #ubuntu+1 has been traditionally forwarded for the 2 or 3 weeks until a usable set of files exists in the repos
[04:49] <nalioth> i have no idea who opened it up so soon
[04:49] <nalioth> concept10: #ubuntu+1 has been traditionally forwarded for the 2 or 3 weeks until a usable set of files exists in the repos
[04:49] <nalioth> i have no idea who opened it up so soon
[04:50] <concept10> nalioth, does it really matter when the repos open?  The channel is for +1 discussion
[04:50] <Fujitsu> It stuffed up my numbering :(
[04:50] <Fujitsu> I do sort of agree with concept10 here.
[04:50] <gnomefreak> Fujitsu: mine too
[04:51] <nalioth> gnomefreak: it's not messed up your settings at all, if you're doing it right
[04:51] <Fujitsu> nalioth: How are you meant to do it?
[04:52] <gnomefreak> nalioth: messed up my channels order because i cant figure out how to invite+join on autojoin when i connect
[04:52] <ajmorris_> nalioth, why have you redirected #ubuntu+1 to #ubuntu?
[04:52] <nalioth> Fujitsu: you can have irssi remember what windows your channels are in, and if you have them on autojoin, they'll always be in the same window
[04:52] <nalioth> i apologize to all who are confused about #ubuntu+1
[04:53] <nalioth> the channel exists to discuss the dev version of Ubuntu
[04:53] <nalioth> afaik, gutsy doesn't run yet
[04:53] <ajmorris_> nalioth, we want #ubuntu+1 to be out of the way of #ubuntu because it is flooded
[04:53] <concept10> okay, open it back up.. we can discuss it without a single binary
[04:53] <nalioth> this is how it always is with a new release.  #ubuntu+1 closes until something runnable appears in the repos
[04:53] <Fujitsu> nalioth: Gutsy runs fine. It only has two newer package.
[04:53] <ajmorris_> and since the gutsy repos exist theoreticly we should have an #ubuntu+1
[04:53] <Fujitsu> *packages
[04:54] <Burgundavia> no, it will break peoples computers
[04:54] <Fujitsu> It has, in the past, only opened after a couple of weeks.
[04:54] <Burgundavia> the toolchain has not yet stablized
[04:54] <Fujitsu> Burgundavia: Not for another few days :P
[04:54] <ajmorris_> can you please just open #ubuntu+1 nalioth, because #ubuntu is too flooded
[04:54] <concept10> Im serious, why does it matter when the repos are open, when the toolchain is uploaded, when ..... the channel is for discussion about +1 not development discussion of +1
[04:55] <Hobbsee> ajmorris_: the main reason for *not* doing that is because people show repeatedly that they cant read, use #ubuntu+1 as #ubuntu is too busy,  then keep using it, even when #ubuntu+1 starts to have life, as gutsy has life.
[04:55] <gnomefreak> the tool chain should be ready for use around the 23rd thats monday ish so i would say tuesday the earliest is best bet to open it (this is from the release schedule)
[04:55] <Burgundavia> the #ubuntu topic should probably mention that you shouldn't install gutsy
[04:56] <Hobbsee> it's fine if you want to use #ubuntu-overflow, or something, but #ubuntu+1 is specifically for the development of gutsy - and feisty support is not on topic there, which becomes more important when gutsy grows.
[04:56] <concept10> open the channel, it doesnt hurt no one
[04:56] <Burgundavia> it does hurt people
[04:56] <ajmorris_> who does it hurt?
[04:56] <gnomefreak> concept10: it does however make our jobs harder
[04:56] <Burgundavia> everybody who tries to install gutsy and has their machine do horrible things
[04:56] <gnomefreak> ajmorris_: people stupid enough to use it
[04:56] <nzk> gnomefreak, seveas /ignored me
[04:57] <Burgundavia> Hobbsee: shall I edit the topic of #ubuntu to say not to install gutsy?
[04:57] <Hobbsee> nzk: he's not here now anyway
[04:57] <concept10> Hobbsee, is +1 for development discussion or +1 general discussion?  I never see no one talking about devel matters there, bugs maybe but not development
[04:57] <Hobbsee> Burgundavia: go for it.  better still, tell them gutsy is vaporware, and doesnt exist yet :P
[04:57] <nzk> If not #ubuntu, then -offtopic at least?
[04:57] <Hobbsee> concept10: sorry, general discussion about gutsy.  but nto feisty
[04:58] <concept10> Okay, we were talking about GG, whats the problem?
[04:58] <Burgundavia> alright, fixed
[04:58] <GaiaX11> majortom: I am only testing if I can send a message here. Because it seems that in #ubuntu I cannot do this. I can watch people, but when I send in it says: i-- #ubuntu :Cannot send to channel :-(
[04:58] <GaiaX11> Why is it happening?
[04:59] <gnomefreak> nalioth: nzk from logs that i read is a repeat offender and has been banned many times for things like !badword or offtopic in #ubuntu. he wants to be unbanned (if seveas did ignore him maybe someone else in a good position to do so can explain that to him or look deeper into ban?)
[04:59] <concept10> Where do I find guidance on opening a new channel in the ubuntu realm?
[04:59] <GaiaX11> I am long term registered user in #ubuntu
[04:59] <Burgundavia> concept10: right here
[04:59] <ajmorris_> why can't we discuss dev suggestions and what not in #ubuntu+1?
[05:00] <concept10> Burgundavia, I mean policy not personal opinions
[05:00] <Burgundavia> concept10: right here
[05:00] <Burgundavia> this is the place that runs all the ubuntu channels
[05:00] <concept10> Burgundavia, okay, here we go.  There simply needs to be a ubuntu related channel for users with more experience.  I have mentioned this before
[05:01] <Burgundavia> what sort of channel?
[05:01] <Fujitsu> Like #ubuntu but without the flooding with trivial questions?
[05:01] <concept10> Exactly
[05:01] <ajmorris_> i agree :)
[05:01] <Fujitsu> That's not going to work
[05:01] <concept10> #ubuntu-advanced
[05:01] <nzk> #ubuntu-nonoobs
[05:02] <concept10> Not in that sense
[05:02] <ajmorris_> #ubuntu-advanced is a good idea
[05:02] <gnomefreak> havent we declined that 3 times in 2 days already?
[05:02] <ajmorris_> what are your reasons for not having one gnomfreak?
[05:02] <ajmorris_> *gnomefreak,
[05:02] <Fujitsu> How do you decide which question is appropriate where?
[05:02] <gnomefreak> ajmorris_: what does it do for people?
[05:02] <concept10> You dont want to make people feel stupid, but at the same time, 900-1300 people in a channel simply does _not_ _work_
[05:03] <ajmorris_> have a channel that is not flooded with million of questions.
[05:03] <ajmorris_> maybe a channel that more advanced questions can be asked
[05:03] <concept10> Fujitsu, you really cant decide, but you let people know what the channel is about
[05:03] <gnomefreak> concept10: having a nonoob or an advaced channel is descimanation(sp)
[05:03] <GaiaX11> Why I cannot send a message in #ubuntu? I am registered. I was not banned and I can only watch people talking and cannot contribute :-(
[05:03] <concept10> gnomefreak, its no discrimination
[05:03] <Hobbsee> ajmorris_: and how many people do you reckon there would be who would go "oh, i want an answer.  i'll ask my simple question in the advanced channel,b ecause the people are more knowledgable"
[05:04] <gnomefreak> if it wasnt 2300EST i might have spelled that right
[05:04] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Exactly.
[05:04] <ajmorris_> gnomefreak, everyone can come to the advanced channel, if #ubuntu is too flooded, we just want more than one #ubuntulike channel
[05:04] <gnomefreak> concept10: it is since you are not letting newusers get help in it
[05:04] <concept10> gnomefreak, thats like saying Windows XP Pro is discrimination
[05:04] <Hobbsee> ajmorris_: that happened REPEATEDLY in #ubuntu+1, which is why there are all the strong warnings there, or were for feisty, that edgy/dapper support wasnt done there
[05:04] <Fujitsu> People don
[05:04] <Fujitsu> People don't read topics. They don't obey rules.
[05:05] <Fujitsu> That's how the world works.
[05:05] <GaiaX11> Is any op listening me? What did I do?
[05:05] <Fujitsu> People will try to get help outside #ubuntu, and one extra channel to do that in probably isn't a good thing.
[05:05] <Hobbsee> GaiaX11: absolutely no idea
[05:05] <gnomefreak> you want to talk about devel version (fujitsu is gonna hurt me) but join #ubuntu-motu
[05:05] <ajmorris_> GaiaX11, i am no op... but are you banned/blocked?
[05:06] <Fujitsu> gnomefreak: Ah, but we just forward them to #ubuntu+1 if it's not development-related. We can't do that now :'(
[05:06] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: not unless the channels are positioned as equal, and even then people will ask in boht, so it wont really help
[05:06] <GaiaX11> ajmorris_: Why?
[05:06] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: That'd be right.
[05:06] <concept10> The only, I mean the _only_ thing I dont like about Ubuntu is the notion of where do you hang if you want to get help on more advanced topics?  This seems like it is discouraged with this distro
[05:06] <ajmorris_> GaiaX11, i don't know maybe u spammed or something
[05:06] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: please dont do that.  people often log -motu for packaging stuff
[05:06] <gnomefreak> Fujitsu: from what i got in beginning of this open +1 to talk about devel on gutsy
[05:06] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: i dont do it
[05:07] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: (suggest people go to -motu, that is)
[05:07] <Fujitsu> concept10: I know, a lot of people complain the same... I don't really think there is a good solution, unfortunately. If users obeyed the rules, it might work.
[05:07] <GaiaX11> ajmorris_: No I did not. I have been of some help there. Who could solve it for me.
[05:07] <concept10> Fujitsu, you will never know if it will work or not if you dont try
[05:07] <GaiaX11> Is there any justice there?
[05:07] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: i dont suggest anyone go there unless its devel related or if the problem persits for a few days and noone can fix it
[05:08] <gnomefreak> GaiaX11: hold on ill look
[05:08] <Fujitsu> Places like #gentoo and #debian don't have lots and lots of people who have just crossed over from Windows... It is possible for non-trivial problems to be solved there. In #ubuntu, that can't always happen. I think that this is a problem, but an #ubuntu-advanced isn't likely to fix it.
[05:08] <ajmorris_> Fujitsu, maybe you could appoint a couple of other users to be chan ops of the other channel that concept10 wants, that warn people and kick people who do not follow the rules set
[05:08] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: you rock @ http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=413733
[05:08] <Fujitsu> Haha, me? And op? How strange.
[05:08] <concept10> Serious, you guys should expect someone with 3-5 years of experience to get help in that channel
[05:09] <ajmorris_> Fujitsu, oops didn't realise u weren't an op lol
[05:09] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Hm? Is that the one where I asked them if we were meant to support them? I've dealt with a few forum threads this morning.
[05:09] <gouki> 'night everyone!
[05:10] <Fujitsu> Night, gouki.
[05:10] <Fujitsu> I caused the unthinkable to happen... a forum user filed a bug about an issue. Not just any bug, but a bug in GNOME Bugzilla! I never thought I'd see the day...
[05:10] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm
[05:10] <gnomefreak> @btlogin
[05:11] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: yep.  i replied too
[05:11] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: woo!
[05:11] <GaiaX11> gnomefreak: So ...
[05:11] <gnomefreak> GaiaX11: looking it up on bantracker atm sorry im uploading so it may take some time to load
[05:11] <Fujitsu> Hehe, I like getswiftfox.org... Nice place to send people to.
[05:12] <gnomefreak> wish we could cut the certs in half :( way too many
[05:12] <concept10> I see I have made not one bit of progress, like I said in the beginning.. where is the *policy* not opinions?
[05:12] <GaiaX11> gnomefreak: Ok. I am here waiting ...
[05:12] <gnomefreak> bantracker is borked :(
[05:13] <Hobbsee> concept10: we know it's a problem.  for every option, there are lots of bad things that come of it.  it's a question on which one works best
[05:13] <Hobbsee> concept10: currently, that's undecided, so we havent done anything yet
[05:13] <concept10> Hobbsee, someone needs to do something, its been this way for _years_
[05:13] <nalioth> GaiaX11: there was a quiet set on you
[05:14] <nalioth> GaiaX11: it's been removed now.
[05:14] <GaiaX11> nalioth: : What does it mean?
[05:14] <nalioth> GaiaX11: means that you went against the CoC or !guidelines somehow . . .
[05:14] <GaiaX11> nalioth: I am not a criminal. I am sure.
[05:15] <gnomefreak> did you find it?
[05:15] <GaiaX11> nalioth: How so?
[05:15] <Hobbsee> GaiaX11: large paste, maybe?
[05:15] <gnomefreak> in ubuntu last i see is on mar. 30th
[05:15] <gnomefreak> and that was nalioth
[05:16] <GaiaX11> Hobbsee: Me? I am sure that I didn't
[05:16] <GaiaX11> Hobbsee: I'd like to see the proof logs
[05:17] <gnomefreak> from what channel?
[05:17] <concept10> this pisses me off
[05:17] <Hobbsee> GaiaX11: was a guess.
[05:18] <GaiaX11> Hobbsee: If you see my logs I am of some help in the channel. I think someone mixed me up with other person.
[05:18] <gnomefreak> seveas cleared +1 so you didnt do anything there. cjwatson removed you from -release-party. nalioth removed/banned you for spamming (i would have to guess from what logs show. and i didnt look at lastyears
[05:18] <Hobbsee> GaiaX11: could well have been
[05:20] <concept10> where is the best place to take up the discussion for a new proposed channel?
[05:20] <gnomefreak> but i do not see a mute only removes and bans so for you not to beable to send to channel would most likely be a bug seeing as a mute doesnt last 3 weeks
[05:21] <nalioth> concept10: this is the place. please share your ideas
[05:21] <gnomefreak> concept10: here. seveas is head of #ubuntu IRC channels you would need to generally talk to him (or make a channel without the ubuntu,kubuntu,ed and x  namespace
[05:22] <concept10> gnomefreak, thanks
[05:23] <gnomefreak> concept10: hard part do not spam it in the channels that would be bad and most likely wont go over well with ops
[05:23] <nalioth> gnomefreak: he can talk about it here, if he wishes
[05:23] <gnomefreak> nalioth: he has and everyones answers pissed him off
[05:24] <concept10> gnomefreak, I havent spammed anything
[05:24] <gnomefreak> this is day 2 i believe
[05:24] <concept10> gnomefreak, day 2 of what?
[05:24] <gnomefreak> concept10: that was a warning to not to not that you did
[05:24] <Hobbsee> concept10: ubuntu-irc@lists.ubuntu.com
[05:24] <nalioth> gnomefreak: i've not seen anything about other channels
[05:24] <gnomefreak> concept10: you asked this same question yesterday
[05:24] <gnomefreak> nalioth: its about 10 minutes above now
[05:24] <concept10> gnomefreak, No I did'nt
[05:25] <concept10> gnomefreak, You must be mistaken, check the logs if you need to.
[05:25] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: no, someone else was, iirc
[05:25] <nalioth> gnomefreak: oh, the #ubuntu-advanced idea
[05:25] <gnomefreak> hmmmm i could have sworen it was you wither earlier today or yesterday
[05:25] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak: yeah
[05:26] <gnomefreak> it might have been someone else but same questiona nd the way you took what people said made me think it was you sorry if it wasnt you
[05:27] <concept10> gnomefreak, I know it wasn't me, I didn't think of it until nalioth redirected the channel 20-30 mins ago.
[05:27] <nalioth> concept10: we already have 'advanced channels' with far less traffic . . .
[05:27] <gnomefreak> ok sorry
[05:28] <gnomefreak> we do?
[05:28] <nalioth> they're called #ubuntu-offtopic and #kubuntu-offtopic
[05:28] <gnomefreak> oh
[05:28] <nalioth> lots of folks hi -offtopic to escape the masses
[05:29] <GaiaX11> And now. What is happening with me? See my logs and you will see that I have helped the channel and the forum as well. Look at: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=413464     for example. I made the proposal :-)
[05:30] <GaiaX11> And many people liked the idea :-)
[05:38] <GaiaX11> So ... Am I still mute in #ubuntu?
[05:40] <gnomefreak> GaiaX11: i didnt see anyone mute you in the bantracker in #ubuntu can you please try to restart your client and than try if not come back here and we will try to figure out what happened
[05:40] <GaiaX11> gnomefreak: Thx. I will
[05:41] <nalioth> gnomefreak: i just told him i'd removed the mute
[05:42] <gnomefreak> nalioth: i didnt see a mute
[05:42] <gnomefreak> looked in bantracker and in #ubuntu -b
[05:43] <nalioth> it was on the IP
[05:43] <gnomefreak> ah i didnt see ip in #ubuntu -b and didnt look for ip in bantracker :(
[05:49] <GaiaX11> gnomefreak: It seems that everything is ok now. But why is that every time that I access the server I have to type  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password> to be identified if I am already registered? And I says that: "This nickname is owned by someone else". Did someone picked up my nick? :-(
[05:49] <nalioth> GaiaX11: because "registered" != "identified"
[05:50] <jrib> GaiaX11: tell your client to automatically identify you when you connect
[05:51] <GaiaX11> jrib: Hum. I will see.
[05:52] <jrib> should be in server settings
[05:54] <GaiaX11> I have another nick in the settings Apollyon_  Which I'd like to use as default instead of GaiaX11 But I do not know how to set up it in the server. And it is already linked with GaiaX11
[05:55] <GaiaX11> And Abaddon_
[05:57] <GaiaX11> So it is like that in order: GaiaX11 > Apollyon_ > Abaddon_  But I'd like to put Apollyon as default in the server. But, I do not know how :-(
[06:03] <gnomefreak> what irc client?
[06:03] <GaiaX11> xchat-gnome
[06:03] <gnomefreak> oh i dont know that. i havent used that in a very long time
[06:04] <gnomefreak> .win 3
[06:04] <GaiaX11> What is .win 3?
[06:04] <nalioth> it's a type
[06:04] <nalioth> typo
[06:05] <gnomefreak> typo
[06:05] <gnomefreak> it should have been /win 3
[06:05] <GaiaX11> ???!!!
[06:06] <gnomefreak> GaiaX11: change channels
[06:06] <gnomefreak> instead of going through each one
[06:07] <gnomefreak> GaiaX11: i use text based clients for irc
[06:08] <gnomefreak> crap i think i locked up nautilus
[06:09] <GaiaX11> But I think for me to put Apollyon_ as default it has not to do with the client. It has to do with the server freenode. I have to know how to config it.
[06:10] <gnomefreak> GaiaX11: client to join with that nick but you can make anyo of your nicks as a "main" nick for freenode and just link the other name to it
[06:11] <GaiaX11> It is already linked
[06:12] <GaiaX11> Apollyon_ and Abaddon_ are GaiaX11 links
[06:14] <GaiaX11> And Apollyon_ is my irc settings as first and Abaddon as second. But When I log in freenode GaiaX11 is the one which appears
[06:18] <GaiaX11> So I think I have to set Apollyon_ as default in the server because it is already the default in my irc. The problem is: How?
[06:23] <nzk> gnomefreak, so...? any progress?
[06:23] <gnomefreak> no that is something you need to talk to the banner about (atleast the best way about it)
[06:24] <nzk> I don't know who banned me
[06:24] <nzk> that was ages ago
[06:24] <nzk> Can't I just get a second chance? I promise I'll be good!
[06:26] <nzk> What sort of things
[07:58] <ubotu> DARKGuy called the ops in #ubuntu
[07:58] <ubotu> n2diy called the ops in #ubuntu
[08:02] <Burgundavia> what did they do?>
[08:02] <Madpilot> "<c0l> is it wasnt disgusting and possibly fatal, poo would be a great lubricant, dont you think" -- about six times
[08:04] <Hobbsee> Madpilot: mroe than 6, it loosk like...
[08:04] <Madpilot> I did say "at best", but yeah, the poopy jokes were over by about eight, I think
[08:05] <Amaranth> what happened to my "don't use envy" factoid?
[08:27] <Fujitsu> Amaranth: It probably got removed for reasons of not discriminating against useless dangerous scripts.
[09:11] <ElllisD> i just changed from port 6xxx to 8001 because i got an exploit bug notice- please let me know whats next-
[09:12] <ElllisD> fixddcexploit instructions are where i was told to change the port i connect to freenode w/
[09:12] <ElllisD> brb- 5 mins
[09:21] <Amaranth> ElllisD: For a start don't try random DCC chats with people
[09:21] <ElllisD> k, sorry
[09:21] <Amaranth> I was in the process of hunting you down to report before I noticed you weren't a bot
[09:22] <Amaranth> join #amaranth
[09:22] <Amaranth> i'll test you
[09:23] <Amaranth> ElllisD: Alright, you're unbanned in #ubuntu
[09:23] <ElllisD> tyvm
[10:05] <Gasten> Hm... why have I started to get trensfered to #ubuntu-ops when I try to join #ubuntu-offtopic ? Is it cancelled, or what? Im not a op!
[10:07] <Hobbsee> Gasten: ask ljl when he gets back...
[10:07] <Seveas> nzk, a *second* chance? You've already had more than that
[10:07] <Hobbsee> @btlogin
[10:07] <Gasten> Hobbsee: so.. it isn't closed?
[10:08] <Hobbsee> Gasten: no
[10:08] <Gasten> ok..
[10:08] <Gasten> Cool.
[10:08] <Hobbsee> probably due to:  2007-04-19T22:09:03 *** Gasten has quit IRC ("part-messages are gay.")
[10:09] <Gasten> Dont include that last word, or what?
[10:09] <Hobbsee> yes
[10:09] <Gasten> ok, then.
[10:09] <Seveas> Gasten, using gay in a derogatory way is not supported by us
[10:10] <Gasten> No, it's supported by me. So much for a FREE WORLD.
[10:10] <Gasten> ops, caps. sorry.
[10:10] <Gasten> accident.
[10:10] <Hobbsee> Gasten: what he meant was the fact that it's offensive to others
[10:10] <Hobbsee> and isnt exactly family friendly
[10:10] <Seveas> Gasten, that argument won't work
[10:10] <Seveas> using 'free world' as xcuse to offend others is bullshit
[10:11] <Gasten> OH, IT DOESNT?
[10:11] <Gasten> man... caps again, sorry.
[10:11] <Gasten> I gotto get a new keyboard...
[10:11] <Hobbsee> Gasten: when you do, give Seveas your "e" key.  he needs a new one
[10:11] <Seveas> @lart Hobbsee
[10:12] <Gasten> actually, you think it's ok to bash on big corporations like microsoft and apple, but not on people as a joke.
[10:12] <Seveas> Gasten, we don't support bashing companies either
[10:12] <Gasten> Riiiight.
[10:13] <Seveas> hmm, my wifi is flakey today
[10:13] <Seveas> 2 disconnects in as many minutes
[10:16] <Seveas> Gasten, but yeah it happens and we're a bit loose about it. Not so much about offending entire groups of our population. There are more gay people in this world than MS employees
[10:16] <Gasten> Seveas: Yes, that is a reason to bash ms employees.
[10:16] <Seveas> Not really
[10:17] <Seveas> the inexcusable badness of their products is though :)
[10:17] <Gasten> anyways, it's wierd that I get kicked out from a offtopic channel, but not the official ubuntu channel.
[10:17] <Seveas> Gasten, probably ljl didn't think it was bad enough
[10:17] <Burgundavia> probably nobody noticed on the main channel
[10:17] <Seveas> also a possibility
[10:17] <Gasten> __is it only me who can see the fun in a part-message saying "part-messages are gay."?__
[10:18] <Seveas> well, I can't
[10:18] <Burgundavia> Gasten: I see absolutely no humour in that
[10:18] <Burgundavia> 100 years ago we would have been arguing whether or not you could say "part messages are nigger talk" or somethign equally racist
[10:19] <Seveas> Burgundavia, I'd say 50 years
[10:19] <Seveas> 100 yars ago that would have been acceptable I guess
[10:19] <Gasten> why cant you say that?
[10:19] <Seveas> thank $deity for progress
[10:19] <Burgundavia> because it is using the word gay as an offensive term
[10:19] <Gasten> offensive to whom?
[10:19] <Gasten> part-messages?
[10:19] <Hobbsee> evildennisr may or may not be trolling
[10:20] <Burgundavia> Gasten: no, homosexual people
[10:20] <Gasten> if we want to take away the negative status of a word, we have to use it.
[10:20] <Burgundavia> by using the term as a putdown, you essentially degrade them
[10:21] <Gasten> Man...
[10:21] <Gasten> and if I were gay?
[10:21] <elkbuntu> it's still no excuse
[10:21] <Gasten> of caurse it is!
[10:21] <elkbuntu> the people you would be offending wouldnt know that you are
[10:23] <Gasten> and that's a reason to censor me.
[10:23] <elkbuntu> we're not censoring you. we're just choosing to disallow that word. use it elsewhere all you like, but not in our channels
[10:24] <Gasten> "we're not censoring you. we're just choosing to disallow that word." <--- roflol.
[10:24] <elkbuntu> in our channels you are expected to abide by the Code of Conduct
[10:25] <Gasten> or should the code of conduct abide me?
[10:25] <Gasten> it were a offtopic-channel for gods sake!
[10:25] <Seveas> There's a fine line between censoring and keeping channels family friendly
[10:25] <Seveas> you're standing on that fine line
[10:25] <Myrtti> "the rules of the universe should bend at my will" "I command thee, E=mc^2, be not!"
[10:26] <Burgundavia> Gasten: all ubuntu channels fall under the code of conduct, offtopic or not
[10:27] <Gasten> Burgundavia: But in a offtopic channel you have to expect a rupger language! I would've understand if you pm:ed me and asked me to change.
[10:27] <Gasten> but just killing me off makes no sense to me.
[10:27] <Burgundavia> no, offtopic merely means not on topic
[10:27] <Burgundavia> nothing to do with "rougher language"
[10:28] <Gasten> Ok, I dont have time for this.
[10:28] <Hobbsee> find another way to express what you want to say.
[10:28] <Gasten> thank you all for making sure that everyone express herself inside your rules.
[10:28] <Hobbsee> "quit messages are overrated"
[10:29] <Seveas> Gasten, and pm-ing is not possible after you quit :)
[10:30] <Gasten> Hobbsee: I don't want to. /ignore is a fine command.
[10:30] <Hobbsee> haha
[10:30] <Fujitsu> Well, that was interesting.
[10:33] <Burgundavia> indeed
[10:36] <Fujitsu> Almost as good as some of the stuff on the forum.
[10:36] <Hobbsee> haha
[10:37] <Fujitsu> I haven't been over there in 2 or so hours... There must be some more stuff to shoot down.
[10:38] <Hobbsee> haha
[10:38] <Hobbsee> there is
[10:39] <Fujitsu> Yay!
[12:49] <elkbuntu> Fujitsu == master forum assassin?
[12:52] <Mez> Fujitsu, did you post on my blog lately ?
[12:52] <PriceChild> Hmmm?
[01:33] <ubotu> In #ubuntuforums, cellojoe said: !cellojoesnack is Have a snack, cellojoe!
[01:45] <Fujitsu> Mez: I don't think so... Any post in particular?
[01:46] <Mez> i cant remember
[01:46] <Mez> just remember seeing fujitsu
[01:46] <Fujitsu> I don't comment on blogs, so I don't think so.
[02:46] <LjL> !no beta is <alias> final
[02:46] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[02:46] <LjL> !forget betarelease
[02:46] <ubotu> I'll forget that, LjL
[02:53] <LjL> !kde
[02:53] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop", or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE veresion is 3.5.6 for Edgy and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.
[02:53] <LjL> !no kde is <reply> KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu:  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop , or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE version is 3.5.6 for Feisty and Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.
[02:53] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[02:54] <LjL> you don't see a closed braket after the InstallingKDE URL and the kubuntu.org one, do you?
[02:54] <Fujitsu> LjL: No.
[02:55] <LjL> some weird output-only autoreplace of my client, i guess...
[02:56] <thoreauputic> LjL: I see  << and >> ( only smaller )
[02:56] <LjL> thoreauputic: right, those are intended, i've been changing quotation marks into them in just about every factoid
[02:56] <thoreauputic> LjL: OK
[02:56] <LjL> that is, when commands to be typed in a terminal are concerned
[02:57] <LjL> (advantage is, you don't have those on most keyboards, so people won't believe they have to type them ;)
[02:57] <thoreauputic> LjL: right, I see - the equivalent of quotes, for example in French look like that
[02:58] <LjL> yeah, indeed i discovered most people call them "french quotes" after i started using them, though to me they were just a less common and more "book like" variant of quotes...
[03:02] <LjL> uhm
[03:02] <LjL> malik__ has joined this channel (n=malik@88.232.151.185). <--- i'm noticing now that the 88.232.* ban has been removed from every channel except #kubuntu (indeed this guy was complaining he couldn't join #kubuntu)
[03:02] <LjL> perhaps we should just remove it from there, too? - or re-add it to the others, whatever is fit...
[03:03] <LjL> Hobbsee, apokryphos: ^
[03:04] <Hobbsee> should be fine
[03:04] <LjL> 88.232 was the turkish spammers IIRC... at least some of them. haven't seen them in a while i suppose
[03:06] <Hobbsee> yep
[03:06] <Hobbsee> go ahead and remove that
[03:09] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-chicago, nixternal said: !debootstrap is is used to create a Debian base system from scratch, without requiring the availability of dpkg or apt. It does this by downloading .deb files from a mirror site, and carefully unpacking them into a directory which can enventually be chrooted into.
[03:12] <LjL> !debootstrap is is used to create a !Debian or Ubuntu base system from scratch, without requiring the availability of !dpkg or !APT. It does this by downloading !.deb files from a mirror site, and carefully unpacking them into a directory you can enventually !chroot into.
[03:12] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[03:13] <Fujitsu> That's approaching !Wikipedianess.
[03:14] <LjL> heh i know
[03:14] <LjL> is that bad?
[03:14] <LjL> or, is that !bad even?
[03:14] <Fujitsu> Looks !a little !strange, yes.
[03:14] <nixternal> LjL: s/is is/is/
[03:14] <nixternal> I hadn't realised that it would put it in there double
[03:15] <LjL> well dunno though, i agree it looks strange, but once you get used to the bangs, at least it's useful
[03:15] <LjL> fixed (as well as the enventually :P)
[03:15] <nixternal> hehe, I think people spend a week on IRC, they get familiar with the !bangs
[03:16] <nixternal> some even enjoy abusing them at times
[03:17] <Fujitsu> @lart nixternal
[03:17] <Fujitsu> ... since when does it do that to non-ops?
[03:18] <GazzaK> @pity mneptok
[03:18] <nixternal> haha
[03:18] <GazzaK> yay
[03:18] <Fujitsu> @pity nixternal
[03:19] <Fujitsu> Oooh, violent nixternal.
[03:19] <GazzaK> bots don't have teeth
[03:19] <nixternal> hehe
[03:19] <Fujitsu> GazzaK: How did it bite him, then?
[03:19] <nixternal> GazzaK: he just bit me
[03:19] <GazzaK> majik
[03:19] <nixternal> it didn't say 'ubotu gums nixternal' it said 'bite'
[03:19] <nixternal> lol
[03:20] <GazzaK> okay, leave me alone :p
[03:22] <nixternal> hahaha
[03:26] <thoreauputic> Fujitsu: notice ubotu tried to deluser you without being root - would have got a "only root can... ;)
[03:27] <Fujitsu> True.
[03:28] <thoreauputic> not going to try it :)
[04:39] <ubotu> In ubotu, linux__alien said: who is this
[04:40] <LjL> !bot > linux__alien    (linux__alien, see the private message from Ubotu)
[04:42] <ompaul> @now berlin
[04:42] <ubotu> Current time in Europe/Berlin: April 22 2007, 16:42:39 - Next meeting: Technical Board in 2 days
[04:54] <ubotu> In #ubuntuforums, tsmithe said: !x is ~= s/\/etc\/init.d\/\?dm/\/etc\/init.d\/gdm/
[04:54] <tsmithe> wait no
[04:54] <tsmithe> i'm an idiot again... :S
[05:01] <LjL> tsmithe: right, the ? wasn't a typo :P
[05:01] <tsmithe> yes i know :P
[05:01] <tsmithe> i worked it out as soon as i did that
[05:02] <LjL> besides, if it weren't for that, i'd have put the decent form  sudo invoke-rc.d gdm restart  there ;)
[05:02] <tsmithe> hehe ok
[05:02] <LjL> nice jumpy regexp though :P
[05:03] <tsmithe> hehe :P
[05:29] <AlexC_> morning,
[05:29] <AlexC_>  #ubuntu is getting very, very mad - to the point where it's not even possible to help users anymore unless you are some kind of super human.
[05:30] <AlexC_> I think it would be a good idea to "split" the channel, eg - each channel holds a max of 500 users, if a user tries to join one that is full it will go to the next channel
[05:30] <AlexC_> that would probably help control the load and help us help users more,
[05:30] <LjL> that's already been proposed, but it's very unlikely to happen due to a number of reasons
[05:30] <tsmithe> say, what about the small distribution of niche experts into one (first) channel?
[05:31] <AlexC_> you shouldn't really seperate people into "skill level"
[05:31] <AlexC_> LjL: what else can you do? I mean it's insane - it's really really hard to help people now
[05:31] <AlexC_> before when it was around 1000 users, that was ok - it was easy enough, maybe a little fast
[05:31] <tsmithe> AlexC_, well there are certainly people who know more about one area than another, and people may want to reach them. (without knowing who these people are)
[05:32] <LjL> AlexC_: right now, my own patch is: be stricter. anyway, we've had a surge even when Edgy was released, then the number of users goes down
[05:32] <AlexC_> but the numbers still increased, LjL. When dapper was released there were like 500-600 users, Edgy there was nearing 1000 - it then stayed at that number
[05:33] <AlexC_> roughly,
[05:33] <AlexC_> tsmithe: problem with that is people will just join this 'expert' channel because they want help
[05:33] <tsmithe> no - they can't
[05:33] <Hobbsee> i wouldnt mind trialing it, at least until the numbers come down, post-release
[05:33] <tsmithe> AlexC_, you see as you've limited the numbers
[05:33] <tsmithe> then these "experts" are unable to be contacted
[05:34] <AlexC_> I don't understand,
[05:35] <tsmithe> you cannot necessarily evenly distribute the "experts"
[05:35] <AlexC_>  true, you can't - however everyone helps everyone in #ubuntu
[05:35] <AlexC_> trouble is, there are too many people to help,
[05:35] <tsmithe> yes. but there will be some that know more about some areas than others :)
[05:36] <AlexC_> I understand what your saying,
[05:36] <tsmithe> however, i agree entirely :)
[05:36] <AlexC_> tsmithe: I think it would even out though, currently the channel _is_ to packed, and so people are missing questions that they may know the anwser to
[05:36] <tsmithe> (not necessarily that splitting the channel is the best solution; but is there a better one? it's not my decision, so i don't really want to further this)
[05:37] <AlexC_> if the channels were split up, then there is a higher chance of something seeing the question, and so being able to help
[05:37] <tsmithe> AlexC_, hmm true. but some people have highlights on certain key words :)
[05:38] <AlexC_> what else could be done?
[05:39] <AlexC_> I mean something _does_ need doing, it's getting to the point where it's not worth having #ubuntu
[05:53] <Amaranth> AlexC_: When I have time to go in there I don't notice any problem with the size of the channel
[05:53] <Amaranth> AlexC_: If we split the channel then half the people going there can't get help from me, for example
[05:54] <Amaranth> Well, I'd have to be in both channels so that's a bad example
[05:56] <atoponce> i think creating -lts and -1 channels may help, although, there may not bet many -1 users
[05:57] <Amaranth> that won't help at all
[05:57] <atoponce> or maybe -dekstop/-server
[05:57] <LjL> gnomefreak: like anyone will listen :)
[05:57] <gnomefreak> :)
[05:57] <tsmithe> there already is -server, no, Amaranth?
[05:57] <gnomefreak> its worth a shot
[05:57] <Amaranth> Is an LVM question a -desktop thing or a -server thing?
[05:58] <gnomefreak> we need a way to control the !bleh
[05:58] <Amaranth> tsmithe: err, you meant atoponce :P
[05:58] <tsmithe> oops
[05:58] <tsmithe> it's all purple
[05:58] <Amaranth> and #ubuntu-server doesn't exist
[05:58] <tsmithe> yes it does...
[05:58] <gnomefreak> can we shut public facts off in #ubuntu?
[05:58] <tsmithe> gnomefreak, +1
[05:58] <Amaranth> stupid freenode
[05:58] <Amaranth> if a channel exists spit out the right /names info
[05:58] <LjL> gnomefreak: should need some tweaking, since just shutting them off would be a problem (leave people stranded etc)
[05:58] <gnomefreak> or atlest just the output
[05:59] <LjL> gnomefreak: they should at least receive a private message about it. need to discuss with seveas
[05:59] <Amaranth> It should PM them the factoid instead of also PM them a notice saying to not use it in the channel
[05:59] <Amaranth> but what about us?
[05:59] <gnomefreak> or have the bot !bleh  sends the person a pm !bleh | user sends user the pm and so on
[05:59] <LjL> what about us?
[05:59] <atoponce> but, if the user is not registered, he will not get the pm
[05:59] <Amaranth> we do have a need for factoid usage in public from time to time
[05:59] <atoponce> right?
[05:59] <Amaranth> atoponce: wrong
[06:00] <AlexC_> the problem with !bleh > user is that sometimes the user does not know they have recieved a PM
[06:00] <gnomefreak> this will vut down on need for more channels and will lighten #ubuntu up
[06:00] <LjL> Amaranth: well, the bot already knows we're in the irc ops team, so it does have a way to tell us apart
[06:00] <AlexC_> and so the help we would try to give them, would go un-noticted
[06:00] <Amaranth> LjL: does it?
[06:00] <gnomefreak> AlexC_: when you use it tell them
[06:00] <Amaranth> it always tells me I don't have #ubuntu,ops
[06:00] <LjL> AlexC_: which is why i always kept saying | and public messages have a valid use. but now it's just getting too crazy
[06:00] <atoponce> Amaranth: if the nick is not registered with nickserv, it can still receive a pm?
[06:00] <gnomefreak> like !bleh > user (username you have a pm please read it)
[06:00] <LjL> Amaranth: dunno, glitches maybe, but @login should make it recognize you
[06:01] <AlexC_> LjL: I agree with you on that, but I think the crazyness is down to the sheer amount of users
[06:01] <AlexC_> gnomefreak: but that's really a pain
[06:01] <gnomefreak> AlexC_: why is it any more of a pain than missing wuestions?
[06:01] <gnomefreak> questions*
[06:01] <AlexC_> more typing :P
[06:02] <gnomefreak> more of cutting grass i can see but more typing come on dont be lazy you can shorten it to 2 words
[06:02] <atoponce> ignoring joins/parts/quits is a good way to minimize the traffic, although many users are not aware of that
[06:03] <gnomefreak> example: !bleh > user seepm
[06:03] <AlexC_> can you disable those for just 1 channel?
[06:03] <atoponce> yes
[06:03] <gnomefreak> yes
[06:03] <AlexC_> how so?
[06:03] <AlexC_> for xchat,
[06:04] <gnomefreak> AlexC_: it should be in the setting/prefferences
[06:04] <atoponce> /ignore #channel JOINS PARTS QUITS   for the irssi client
[06:04] <atoponce> i would imagine the syntax would be fairly similar for other clients
[06:04] <gnomefreak> AlexC_: /help ignore   might give you something per client
[06:04] <Hobbsee> the trouble with not having !factoid | foo anymore is that people dont know about privmsg's
[06:05] <AlexC_> exactly,
[06:05] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: well thats why we use !bleh > user  user please see pm
[06:05] <AlexC_> not everyone knows what a PM is though,
[06:05] <gnomefreak> than they ask
[06:05] <Hobbsee> and dont read
[06:05] <LjL> gnomefreak: no, *i* use that, *you* shamelessly rip off. anyway, yes :P
[06:05] <atoponce> i'm still not convinced, though, that an unidentified or unregistered nick will get the pm
[06:06] <LjL> atoponce: they will
[06:06] <gnomefreak> LjL: alot of us use it
[06:06] <LjL> atoponce: unreggeds can't *send* messages (and they can send them to ubotu anyway)
[06:06] <LjL> gnomefreak: yeah, but you all just started copying me :)
[06:06] <gnomefreak> LjL: yes we did ;)
[06:06] <AlexC_> or is 'ubuntu too busy for you :P
[06:06] <gnomefreak> AlexC_: nope you can stick 2000+ people and its not too busy for me
[06:07] <AlexC_> gnomefreak: are you super-human?
[06:07] <gnomefreak> AlexC_: you work with 1 or 2 people at a time dont worry about rest
[06:07] <gnomefreak> when your done move to another 1 or 2
[06:07] <gnomefreak> dont try to help 30 people at once
[06:08] <gnomefreak> btw what happened to using #ubuntu8-classroom for more in depth issues?
[06:08] <gnomefreak> -8
[06:08] <atoponce> tell the person your chatting with to highlight your nick too. that helps a ton
[06:09] <nalioth> gnomefreak: jrib drags folks to -classroom all the time
[06:09] <AlexC_> ha, I never get called AlexC_ !
[06:09] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: hasnt been used recently, for a class
[06:09] <nalioth> i do on occasion
[06:09] <Hobbsee> atoponce: they dont realise it's a highlight
[06:09] <AlexC_> it's either Alex, Alex_C AlexC or Axle
[06:09] <gnomefreak> well there is another option instead of opening another channel :)
[06:09] <atoponce> Hobbsee: i know. that, and tab completing too. :)
[06:10] <atoponce> the two great mysteries of irc
[06:10] <Hobbsee> yep
[06:16] <nzk> Who highlighted me? My backscroll is short and it doesnt show the message :\
[06:16] <AlexC_> I don't know how hard it would be, if it's even possible and it's probably a mad idea, but hey! ideas usually are mad. how about changing the way the IRC channel works for #ubuntu and instead develop some kind of .... ticket system, users wont initialily be able to talk and they'll need to "open a ticket", users who are then free could view all tickets and respond to the user - mad idea ... just trying to think of other
[06:16] <AlexC_> ways that it isn't done currently,
[06:18] <atoponce> nzk: Seveas highlighted you, saying "nzk, a *second* chance? You've already had more than that"
[06:18] <nzk> I've only had one chance
[06:19] <nzk> For #ubuntu as far as I recall
[06:36] <ikonia> AlexC_: have you found #ubuntu a bit "out of control" in the last day or so in terms of sheer volume ?
[06:37] <AlexC_> ikonia: out of control :P you could say that
[06:38] <AlexC_> and it's increasing 300-400 users each release,
[06:39] <ikonia> AlexC_: its getting a bit hard to actually follow the questions your answering
[06:40] <AlexC_> it sure is, something needs to be done about it
[06:40] <ikonia> I noted this to the guys the other day, they seem pretty aware of it
[06:40] <ikonia> I agree
[06:40] <PriceChild> !test
[06:40] <ubotu> Failed
[06:41] <ikonia> Seveas mentioned that the irc team where being voted on shortly and there would be potentially to look and discuss issues after that
[06:41] <PriceChild> ikonia, the irc council "will" be approved at UDS. Then it will be more formal to discuss things like that.
[06:42] <ikonia> PriceChild: thats the correct way to say what I was poorly saying
[06:42] <apokryphos> making multiple #ubuntus won't really be an option
[06:42] <apokryphos> demarcating things into specific areas of help _might_ be, but it has to be considered carefully
[06:42] <ikonia> apokryphos: nah, that discussion was pretty much exausted
[06:44] <atoponce> honestly, i don't find #ubuntu *that* bad
[06:46] <PriceChild> Once its calmed down after the initial release I doubt there will be more people talking that before.
[06:46] <apokryphos> me too, but I can't be sure that it's not just me being used to it 8)
[06:46] <apokryphos> I don't think the issue has been raised in here more than a couple of times
[06:47] <ikonia> perhaps I'm being too picky
[06:48] <atoponce> there are avenues to explore to help those are are there to help others, and those who need help, that do not involve splitting the channel
[06:48] <jrib> PriceChild: it was kind of dumb in edgy.  I remember seeing some bugs about it, do you know if that was worked on?
[06:49] <atoponce> maybe these could be documented on the wiki, and elsewhere where #ubuntu is mentioned
[06:49] <apokryphos> !support | atoponce
[06:49] <ubotu> atoponce: support is The official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org
[06:49] <atoponce> apokryphos: 
[06:50] <apokryphos> not utf-8?
[06:50] <atoponce> it's utf-8. katakana character
[06:51] <apokryphos> hm, this irssi might be borked
[06:51] <atoponce> might be your terminal too
[06:52] <jrib> /set term_charset ?
[06:53] <apokryphos> jrib: it's also a dated version :o
[06:53] <atoponce> /set term_charset UTF-8
[06:53] <apokryphos> dated version, like I said; the setting must've changed
[06:54] <apokryphos> 09:52:46 -!- Irssi: Unknown setting term_charset
[07:11] <nzk> I think I have a good deal...
[07:11] <nzk> If I help out the ubuntu project in some way, can I get unbanned?
[07:12] <gnomefreak> nzk: your gonna have to wait until seveas decides to unban you.
[07:13] <nzk> Aww, its been almost a year. How much longer (estimated) so I have to wait?
[07:13] <AlexC_> wow a year?
[07:13] <AlexC_> what the hell did you do? =D
[07:14] <nzk> I don't even remember
[07:14] <AlexC_> haha
[07:14] <nzk> I trolled, but I don't recall the specifics
[07:14] <apokryphos> a lot of bad stuff; I don't believe it's been a year yet
[07:14] <nzk> 8 months
[07:14] <nzk> *almost* a year
[07:15] <nalioth> AlexC_: he's a repeat offender
[07:15] <apokryphos> vague quantifier, great
[07:15] <AlexC_> I think we should burn him at the stake?
[07:15] <AlexC_> I have my pitchfork ready,
[07:16] <nzk> But I did all my trolling before I got Ubuntu, and now I actually *need* the channel, but Sevais wont unban me still.
[07:16] <apokryphos> 'and now I actually *need* the channel' -- pretty irrelevant
[07:16] <AlexC_> maybe that'll make you think next time before you troll =)
[07:17] <AlexC_> but 8 month ban .... that's a bit over the top
[07:17] <nzk> AlexC_, I hate it when people say that
[07:17] <nzk> Do you honestly thing I could account for every single possible outcome ever?
[07:17] <nzk> *think
[07:17] <AlexC_> well if you troll, what do you expect?
[07:18] <AlexC_> us to give you all our hidden gold and let you do what the hell you want? =D (no you cant have my gold .. it's mine)
[07:18] <nzk> Its not like I was hacking or being rude to the ops
[07:18] <AlexC_> trolling, is being rude
[07:19] <apokryphos> ubotu: btlogin
[07:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about btlogin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:19] <AlexC_> trolling is also against the rules, nzk - if you break the rules you get punished *sharpens pitchfork*
[07:20] <apokryphos> AlexC_: no, we (and at least I) don't generally use bans for punitive reasons; they're editorial decisions, IMO
[07:21] <AlexC_> I have no idea on the details of what nzk did, though all I'm saying is breaking the rules is breaking the rules
[07:21] <nzk> Fine, I'll be back in a few months
[07:22] <atoponce> fine
[07:22] <AlexC_> bye
[08:07] <ariks> can i get into ubuntu now? i connected using port 8001
[08:14] <nalioth> ariks: join me in #moderation, please
[08:16] <nalioth> ariks: you're good to go now, thanks for your patience
[08:16] <ariks> ok, i'm in. thanks
[10:16] <jeffwheeler> Uh, I was sent here in regards being "tested" for a router bug, from #ubuntu-read-topic?
[10:16] <LjL> jeffwheeler: sure, join ##ljl please
[10:18] <ubotu> In #kubuntu, Lars_G said: ubotu: if the hdd is there, try with sudo.
[10:21] <Vorian> back
[10:22] <Vorian> or use / next time Vorian you fool!
[11:14] <jrib> LjL: I'm wondering how you manage that.  Do you have to look at the list and type in the names manually or?
[11:15] <LjL> jrib: yeah, which is why i overlapped with pricechild - i keep the window scrolled up. but i do have an alias for forwarding *and* kicking in one command
[11:15] <mc44> kicking :(
[11:15] <mc44> lots of horrible red lines :s
[11:15] <LjL> mc44: not you, for a change
[11:16] <mc44> why not remove?
[11:16] <PriceChild> mc44, it triggers autorejoins if they have them
[11:16] <LjL> mc44: because i *want* their autorejoin scripts to trigger
[11:16] <PriceChild> (kicks do)
[11:16] <mc44> ah ok
[11:16] <LjL> mc44: i know some people have autorejoin on remove too, *cough*, but most don't
[11:16] <GazzaK> hehe
[11:24] <phaedrussss> ello...can i be tested for the router exploit?
[11:24] <PriceChild> phaedrussss, /join #phaedrussss please
[11:26] <PriceChild> phaedrussss, you may rejoin #ubuntu
[11:26] <phaedrussss> thanks for yuor help
[11:34] <LjL> hey, is the fact that #ubuntu+1 is invite only accidental...?
[11:34] <LjL> i thought we opened it
[11:35] <PriceChild> odd...
[11:35] <LjL> quite...
[11:35] <LjL> there's no +i mlock that i can see
[11:35] <LjL> and it was quite positively open yesterday
[11:35] <LjL> and there's still people in there
[11:35] <LjL> i'll -i
[11:36] <LjL> !ops
[11:36] <ubotu> Help! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Burgundavia, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal or mneptok
[11:36] <ubotu> LjL called the ops in #ubuntu-ops
[11:36] <jenda> huh
[11:36] <LjL> is there a reason why #ubuntu+1 was +i, or was that a mistake?
[11:36] <Seveas> probably a mistake
[11:36] <LjL> oik
[11:36] <Seveas> gutsy is open :)
[11:37] <Seveas> (has only a toolchain so far, so breakage will ensue)
[11:37] <LjL> it's been +i all day i guess
[11:37] <mc44> if not very functional :)
[11:37] <LjL> i never noticed i hadn't autojoined =)
[11:37] <Seveas> I autojoin anyway thanks to chanserv.py :)
[11:37] <apokryphos> it's on purpose I think; didn't nalioth mention something like that?
[11:38] <PriceChild> chanserv.py didn't autojoin me... :(
[11:38] <LjL> heh well seveas, that way theoretically you should notice *even less* that it's +i =)  but i'm stoned enough to not even notice there's a missing channel in my list
[11:38] <LjL> apparently
[11:40] <LjL> mc44: you can get it, it's old holborn, made in the UK. you just pay it thrice the price i pay it here :P
[11:46] <gnomefreak> someone set +i yesterday
[11:53] <gnomefreak> anyone have the register command handy its not /msg ubotu register nick password
[11:54] <PriceChild> no "nick"
[11:55] <gnomefreak> thats what i just had him try. wiki needs to be fixed
[11:55] <PriceChild> /msg nickserv help identify :)
[11:55] <gnomefreak> not that
[11:55] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: register with ubotu
[11:55] <PriceChild> ahhh
[11:55] <PriceChild> I'd guess the same with ubotu... I can't remember.
[11:56] <gnomefreak> its not
[11:59] <apokryphos> eh?
[11:59] <Burgundavia> http://www.google.com/trends?q=ubuntu%2Cdebian%2Cfedora%2Cnovell%2Csuse&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all
[11:59] <apokryphos> to identify with the bot just /msg ubotu login
[11:59] <Burgundavia> wrong chan
[11:59] <gnomefreak> apokryphos: register
[11:59] <mc44> Burgundavia: still good to know :)
[12:00] <gnomefreak> the commands /msg ubotu register nick password and /msg ubotu register password dont work
[12:00] <apokryphos> gnomefreak: /msg ubotu login
[12:01] <gnomefreak> apokryphos: but he needs to register before i can give him rights to log in
[12:01] <apokryphos> anyhow, that must mean that ubuntu is 5 times as widely used as redhat, I'm sure ;-)
[12:01] <apokryphos> gnomefreak: /msg ubotu register nickname password
[12:01] <Seveas> http://blogs.ubuntu-nl.org/dennis/files/2007/04/imgp0401.JPG
[12:01] <gnomefreak> apokryphos: doesnt work
[12:01] <Seveas> work area :)
[12:02] <apokryphos> unfortunately supybot doesn't have a proper method for freenode identification, yet
[12:02] <apokryphos> gnomefreak: I'm pretty sure that one should... what does it say?
[12:02] <Seveas> apokryphos, ubotu has :)
[12:02] <gnomefreak> tried with and withoutt nick
[12:02] <Seveas> gnomefreak, @register is disabled
[12:02] <Seveas> @enable register
[12:02] <apokryphos> oh?
[12:02] <ubotu> OK
[12:02] <Seveas> gnomefreak, try now :)
[12:02] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-mozillateam, asac said: ubotu: forget it
[12:02] <Seveas> LOL :)
[12:02] <jrib> heh
[12:03] <gnomefreak> ok having him
[12:03] <gnomefreak> ok he got it now i have to add him
[12:04] <gnomefreak> ty Seveas
[12:04] <Seveas> @disable register
[12:04] <ubotu> OK
[12:04] <Seveas> @addeditor asac
[12:04] <ubotu> OK
[12:04] <apokryphos> why is it disabled?
[12:04] <Seveas> there's usually no need to register :)
[12:05] <apokryphos> sometimes there is
[12:05] <Seveas> then I can enable it :D
[12:05] <jrib> he likes to be bugged, watch: Seveas can I register?
[12:06] <Seveas> jrib, you don't need to
[12:06] <Seveas> you're in the ops team on launchpad
[12:06] <jrib> ah
[12:06] <Seveas> use @login to log in
[12:06] <Seveas> uses freenode auth.
[12:07] <jrib> thanks
[12:08] <Seveas> @addeditor jrib
[12:08] <ubotu> OK
[12:09] <apokryphos> Seveas: but why not always leave it enabled? ;-)
[12:09] <Seveas> I had a reason for that
[12:09] <Seveas> forgot it though
[12:10] <apokryphos> heh
[12:10] <apokryphos> anyone can register, but it's not like they can do anything
[12:10] <Seveas> but I know there is a reason!
[12:10] <Seveas> anyway
[12:10] <Seveas> http://blogs.ubuntu-nl.org/dennis/files/2007/04/imgp0401.JPG
[12:11] <Seveas> 7 ubuntu machines on 60 m^2
[12:11] <Seveas> apokryphos, I prefer tracker
[12:11] <apokryphos> wow
[12:11] <tsmithe> night egg-chair you got there, Seveas
[12:11] <Seveas> apokryphos, and in the picture are only 4 of them, on 4 m^2 :)
[12:11] <Seveas> tsmithe, skruvstra from ikea ;)
[12:11] <tsmithe> hehe
[12:12] <Seveas> sits in the kitchen
[12:12] <Seveas> next to where the kit poops
[12:12] <Seveas> kitten*
[12:12] <PriceChild> lovely...
[12:12] <Seveas> hi PriceChild :)
[12:12] <PriceChild> Hello Seveas, how are you? :)
[12:13] <Seveas> not bad
[12:13] <Seveas> doing s/windows/ubuntu/ on a machine so I'm happy :)
[12:13] <apokryphos> would be nice to have one to run a build service :P
[12:13] <Seveas> apokryphos, hehe
[12:13] <Seveas> I need a 64 bit machine for buildd purposes
[12:14] <apokryphos> Seveas: I'm very serious -- post a blog entry about donations, I'm sure people will cough up 8)
[12:14] <Seveas> neh
[12:14] <Seveas> my gf will get mad at me if i bring another pc in
[12:14] <jrib> why do you need so many?
[12:14] <Seveas> so it'd have to be a 64bit 1u/2u machine to store somewhere
[12:15] <apokryphos> heh
[12:15] <Seveas> and then she gets mad because I spend too much on colo
[12:15] <apokryphos> Seveas: ditch the 32bit
[12:15] <Seveas> jrib, 1 for her, 1 server, personal laptop, work laptop, old (almost dead) laptop still running hoary, old server running as backup
[12:15] <apokryphos> Seveas: still, I'm beating you with computers in one house ;-)
[12:15] <Seveas> apokryphos, my house is smaller :p
[12:16] <apokryphos> 5 desktops, 3 laptops
[12:16] <Seveas> apokryphos, and i have an n770 (debian) and an asus router (linux 2.4)
[12:16] <apokryphos> yeah, our house is quite big fortunately. 8 people :)
[12:16] <Seveas> 2 people and a cat :)
[12:16] <PriceChild> You know when you have too many computers when you have to take a moment to count them apokryphos... :)
[12:16] <Seveas> PriceChild, :p
[12:17] <mc44> Seveas: you should get canonical to pay for your colo :)
[12:17] <Seveas> hehe
[12:17] <PriceChild> I'm being silly... what is "colo"?
[12:17] <Seveas> colocation
[12:17] <apokryphos> I'd quite like to set icecream up, though it'd have very little real use for me
[12:17] <Seveas> putting your 1u/2u/4u machine somewhere in a rack and paying for that
[12:17] <Seveas> apokryphos, icecream?
[12:17] <PriceChild> apokryphos, I want to say "vanilla"?
[12:18] <Seveas> vanilla or strawberry?
[12:18] <Seveas> PriceChild, :p
[12:18] <PriceChild> :)
[12:18] <apokryphos> Seveas: http://en.opensuse.org/Icecream
[12:18] <crazytales2> Can somebody unban me from #ubuntu-offtopic ?
[12:19] <crazytales2> It's been since several weeks now.
[12:19] <apokryphos> make my compiles finish in a few seconds by stealing my family's cpu ;)
[12:19] <Seveas> apokryphos, meh, distcc + falcon-buildd is enough :)
[12:19] <apokryphos> a lot of devs set it up at meets; more popular in KDE though than GNOME I see
[12:19] <apokryphos> looks fun
[12:23] <Seveas> crazytales2, you don't dare to poke me?
[12:23] <apokryphos> @lart crazytales2
[12:23] <apokryphos> 3 weeks? These larts are getting more and more anti-coc by the day
[12:23] <crazytales2> (:
[12:23] <tsmithe> !coc-jbj | apokryphos
[12:23] <ubotu> apokryphos: a/s/l?
[12:24] <apokryphos> heh
[12:24] <PriceChild> tsmithe, that's disgusting
[12:24] <apokryphos> !-coc-jpj
[12:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about coc-jpj - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:24] <Seveas> jbj
[12:24] <apokryphos> !-coc-jbj
[12:24] <ubotu> coc-jbj has no aliases - added by Seveas on 2007-03-27 17:37:09
[12:24] <Seveas> is disgusting
[12:24] <crazytales2> Seveas: May you unban me from #ubuntu-offtopic ? It's been several weeks now, for sending one notice to the channel.
[12:24] <Seveas> Joel Bryan Juliano
[12:25] <tsmithe> the infamous planet ubuntu
[12:25] <tsmithe> *post
[12:25] <Seveas> crazytales2, I'd have to look at the bantracker and it's 00:25 here and i'm not sober
[12:25] <Seveas> Don't think it'll happen
[12:25] <crazytales2> Ever?