[12:27] bye bye :) === obsethryl [n=obsethry@unaffiliated/obsethryl] has left #ubuntu-ops ["Konversation] === Vorian [n=h@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-ops [12:35] interesting fellow [12:37] hi [12:39] why did we/I get kicked from #ubuntu-release-party in middle of release party? [12:41] Tm_T, cos it was the middle of the afternoon [12:42] no one had talked for a few hours [12:42] and +1 was open [12:43] hmh [12:50] really it was cos +1 was open [01:01] first they kick me out from +1 and now they kick me back in, weird... === Tm_T whines whines [01:02] boy. that obsethryl conversation was... uh... 'interesting' [01:03] i epsecially enjoyed "for evey damage (C) party (A) institutes on party (B)..." [01:11] Tm_T: we kicked you to -offtopic actually :P [01:11] LjL: oh wait, my kicking is offtopic [01:12] is talking about offtopic offtopic in -offtopic? [01:12] Tm_T: absolutely [01:12] it's ontopic here, though :) [01:12] :) [01:13] ok, time to go to bed, thanks and g'night [01:13] night [01:14] hey, i was *totally* on the losing side of a netsplit... what shame === xblackfire [n=strafe@165.98.237.136] has joined #ubuntu-ops [01:18] atoponce, indeed... [01:21] was that a lawyer? [01:21] more than due to the language, i say that because i cannot understand whether he was blaming or praising seveas [01:21] LjL, a troll layer... ?? [01:22] :) [01:22] LjL, a religious lawyer.. then... praising the lord of ubuntu [01:24] think i'll print the log [01:24] i thought i was cavillous, but i've got a lot to learn === PriceChild looks up cavillous [01:25] PriceChild: my spell checker doesn't have it, but i checked on google before typing =) [01:25] i'd be half tempted to blog about it, just due to the interesting nature of it [01:26] make it "captious", at least m-w has that one [01:26] but then party (A) might offend party (B) due to the content of afformentioned blog (C) [01:26] "Characterized by caviling, or disposed to cavil" - That definition doesn't help [01:26] http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/cavillous [01:26] That must be the worst dictionary entry I have seen :) [01:26] anyway, "lawyer-like" :P [01:27] I noticed that the legalistic chap was hanging out in #debian.gr - gr = greece, I'm pretty sure, so we might also be having English As A Second Language issues [01:27] err, well maybe, but unless he comes directly from aristotle's greece... :P === xblackfire [n=strafe@165.98.237.136] has left #ubuntu-ops ["zzz"] [01:29] but he surely knew how to lay our hypothetical situations ... [01:29] s/our/out [01:30] that reminds me of the xkcd cartoon on the same topic recently [01:30] maybe he *is* a lawyer from canonical, and we're ##"ed :P [01:31] LjL, nah... [01:31] Seveas would have told us... [01:33] uh? of course, if he actually *were* that, he'd be *after* seveas :P [01:33] LjL, I think he was just a philosopher tr0ll [01:34] LjL, the use of "usual "irc" warfare" [01:34] so do i of course, i was just kidding :) [01:34] that just says it all [01:34] he's an UnderNet lawyer :P [01:34] hehe [01:34] you had me going there [01:35] well i'd have said EFNet lawyer, but that doesn't really sound right === xblackfire [n=strafe@165.98.237.136] has joined #ubuntu-ops [01:57] how to set a cloak for my nick ? [01:58] xblackfire: ask a staffer [01:58] !register [01:58] Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration [01:58] bribes are good ;) j/k [01:58] should be mentioned in the Freenode FAQ [01:58] ok LjL [01:58] xblackfire: there are 7 steps when you get through them contact a staffer [01:58] and bribe them [01:59] what steps ? [01:59] the ones mentioned on the FAQ ;P === Vorian [n=h@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-ops [02:01] ok, reading the faq, now === phos-phoros [n=donovan@unaffiliated/phos-phoros] has joined #ubuntu-ops === xblackfire [n=strafe@unaffiliated/xblackfire] has joined #ubuntu-ops [02:27] le da la bienvenida a leogg [02:27] wrong channel, sorry === xblackfire [n=strafe@unaffiliated/xblackfire] has left #ubuntu-ops ["zzz"] === chemicalvamp [n=ubuntu@v-163.dsl.mhtc.net] has left #ubuntu-ops ["Konversation] === nzk [n=nzk@unaffiliated/nzk] has joined #ubuntu-ops [03:04] Hey, can I get unbanned from #ubuntu yet? [03:04] Its been 8 months :\ === LordVorian [n=h@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-ops === Pici [n=pcmacman@ool-4355be00.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-ops [03:30] Anyone? === stylus [i=stylus@tapthru/operator/stylus] has joined #ubuntu-ops === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Hobbsee] by ChanServ [04:37] @btlogin [04:39] one thing occurs to me, with opening #ubuntu+1 again [04:40] people seem to not have realised that that now applies to gutsy, not feisty [04:40] Hobbsee: they cant read [04:40] gnomefreak: i know. which was why i was thinking of putting the forward there again [04:41] why did we open it so quickly? [04:41] at least till the proper toolchain, etc is done [04:41] because gutsy repos are there [04:41] nzk: i was looking through logs from your bans we need to let seveas decide but by the looks of the logs i doubt it will happen soon but that is my opinion [04:41] they need to hurry up and get debootstrap in :( === qmario__ [n=QMario@cpe-24-27-104-162.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #Ubuntu-ops [04:42] it'll probably be broken [04:42] give them a few days off :P [04:42] true [04:42] oh of course === gnomefreak needs a few days off as well [04:42] bah. i say to reforward it [04:43] only devs should be running it at the moment, and they have -motu / -devel [04:43] nzk: your best bet is to wait for seveas maybe try back in around 12 hours or so unless he is away for weekend === gnomefreak is one now sort of. === gnomefreak is bringing in iceape to universe (have built it way too many times but it works and i was asked to maintain it [04:45] im also building fx3 fx2 thunderbird2 and others :) [04:46] +1 has been reforwarded until something more usable to mere mortals exists [04:48] nalioth: Bah, they'll just attack other channels. [04:49] Come on, they can get a new binutils and tzdata. It won't break yet :P [04:49] Fujitsu: #ubuntu+1 has been traditionally forwarded for the 2 or 3 weeks until a usable set of files exists in the repos === concept10 [n=concept1@ppp-70-247-165-142.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-ops [04:49] i have no idea who opened it up so soon [04:49] concept10: #ubuntu+1 has been traditionally forwarded for the 2 or 3 weeks until a usable set of files exists in the repos [04:49] i have no idea who opened it up so soon === crdlb [n=crdlb@pool-70-104-186-68.norf.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-ops === gnomefreak didnt but kind of liked it where it was because without it it throws off my channels [04:50] nalioth, does it really matter when the repos open? The channel is for +1 discussion [04:50] It stuffed up my numbering :( [04:50] I do sort of agree with concept10 here. [04:50] Fujitsu: mine too [04:51] gnomefreak: it's not messed up your settings at all, if you're doing it right === ajmorris_ [n=l337h4x0@220-253-55-92.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-ops [04:51] nalioth: How are you meant to do it? [04:52] nalioth: messed up my channels order because i cant figure out how to invite+join on autojoin when i connect [04:52] nalioth, why have you redirected #ubuntu+1 to #ubuntu? [04:52] Fujitsu: you can have irssi remember what windows your channels are in, and if you have them on autojoin, they'll always be in the same window [04:52] i apologize to all who are confused about #ubuntu+1 [04:53] the channel exists to discuss the dev version of Ubuntu [04:53] afaik, gutsy doesn't run yet [04:53] nalioth, we want #ubuntu+1 to be out of the way of #ubuntu because it is flooded [04:53] okay, open it back up.. we can discuss it without a single binary [04:53] this is how it always is with a new release. #ubuntu+1 closes until something runnable appears in the repos [04:53] nalioth: Gutsy runs fine. It only has two newer package. [04:53] and since the gutsy repos exist theoreticly we should have an #ubuntu+1 [04:53] *packages [04:54] no, it will break peoples computers [04:54] It has, in the past, only opened after a couple of weeks. [04:54] the toolchain has not yet stablized [04:54] Burgundavia: Not for another few days :P [04:54] can you please just open #ubuntu+1 nalioth, because #ubuntu is too flooded [04:54] Im serious, why does it matter when the repos are open, when the toolchain is uploaded, when ..... the channel is for discussion about +1 not development discussion of +1 [04:55] ajmorris_: the main reason for *not* doing that is because people show repeatedly that they cant read, use #ubuntu+1 as #ubuntu is too busy, then keep using it, even when #ubuntu+1 starts to have life, as gutsy has life. [04:55] the tool chain should be ready for use around the 23rd thats monday ish so i would say tuesday the earliest is best bet to open it (this is from the release schedule) [04:55] the #ubuntu topic should probably mention that you shouldn't install gutsy [04:56] it's fine if you want to use #ubuntu-overflow, or something, but #ubuntu+1 is specifically for the development of gutsy - and feisty support is not on topic there, which becomes more important when gutsy grows. [04:56] open the channel, it doesnt hurt no one [04:56] it does hurt people [04:56] who does it hurt? [04:56] concept10: it does however make our jobs harder [04:56] everybody who tries to install gutsy and has their machine do horrible things [04:56] ajmorris_: people stupid enough to use it [04:56] gnomefreak, seveas /ignored me [04:57] Hobbsee: shall I edit the topic of #ubuntu to say not to install gutsy? [04:57] nzk: he's not here now anyway [04:57] Hobbsee, is +1 for development discussion or +1 general discussion? I never see no one talking about devel matters there, bugs maybe but not development [04:57] Burgundavia: go for it. better still, tell them gutsy is vaporware, and doesnt exist yet :P [04:57] If not #ubuntu, then -offtopic at least? [04:57] concept10: sorry, general discussion about gutsy. but nto feisty [04:58] Okay, we were talking about GG, whats the problem? === GaiaX11 [n=vagner@201.57.125.2] has joined #ubuntu-ops [04:58] alright, fixed [04:58] majortom: I am only testing if I can send a message here. Because it seems that in #ubuntu I cannot do this. I can watch people, but when I send in it says: i-- #ubuntu :Cannot send to channel :-( [04:58] Why is it happening? [04:59] nalioth: nzk from logs that i read is a repeat offender and has been banned many times for things like !badword or offtopic in #ubuntu. he wants to be unbanned (if seveas did ignore him maybe someone else in a good position to do so can explain that to him or look deeper into ban?) [04:59] Where do I find guidance on opening a new channel in the ubuntu realm? [04:59] I am long term registered user in #ubuntu [04:59] concept10: right here [04:59] why can't we discuss dev suggestions and what not in #ubuntu+1? [05:00] Burgundavia, I mean policy not personal opinions [05:00] concept10: right here [05:00] this is the place that runs all the ubuntu channels [05:00] Burgundavia, okay, here we go. There simply needs to be a ubuntu related channel for users with more experience. I have mentioned this before [05:01] what sort of channel? [05:01] Like #ubuntu but without the flooding with trivial questions? [05:01] Exactly [05:01] i agree :) [05:01] That's not going to work [05:01] #ubuntu-advanced [05:01] #ubuntu-nonoobs [05:02] Not in that sense [05:02] #ubuntu-advanced is a good idea [05:02] havent we declined that 3 times in 2 days already? [05:02] what are your reasons for not having one gnomfreak? [05:02] *gnomefreak, [05:02] How do you decide which question is appropriate where? [05:02] ajmorris_: what does it do for people? [05:02] You dont want to make people feel stupid, but at the same time, 900-1300 people in a channel simply does _not_ _work_ [05:03] have a channel that is not flooded with million of questions. [05:03] maybe a channel that more advanced questions can be asked [05:03] Fujitsu, you really cant decide, but you let people know what the channel is about [05:03] concept10: having a nonoob or an advaced channel is descimanation(sp) [05:03] Why I cannot send a message in #ubuntu? I am registered. I was not banned and I can only watch people talking and cannot contribute :-( [05:03] gnomefreak, its no discrimination [05:03] ajmorris_: and how many people do you reckon there would be who would go "oh, i want an answer. i'll ask my simple question in the advanced channel,b ecause the people are more knowledgable" [05:04] if it wasnt 2300EST i might have spelled that right [05:04] Hobbsee: Exactly. [05:04] gnomefreak, everyone can come to the advanced channel, if #ubuntu is too flooded, we just want more than one #ubuntulike channel [05:04] concept10: it is since you are not letting newusers get help in it [05:04] gnomefreak, thats like saying Windows XP Pro is discrimination [05:04] ajmorris_: that happened REPEATEDLY in #ubuntu+1, which is why there are all the strong warnings there, or were for feisty, that edgy/dapper support wasnt done there [05:04] People don [05:04] People don't read topics. They don't obey rules. [05:05] That's how the world works. [05:05] Is any op listening me? What did I do? [05:05] People will try to get help outside #ubuntu, and one extra channel to do that in probably isn't a good thing. [05:05] GaiaX11: absolutely no idea [05:05] you want to talk about devel version (fujitsu is gonna hurt me) but join #ubuntu-motu === gnomefreak didnt mute him [05:05] GaiaX11, i am no op... but are you banned/blocked? [05:06] gnomefreak: Ah, but we just forward them to #ubuntu+1 if it's not development-related. We can't do that now :'( [05:06] Fujitsu: not unless the channels are positioned as equal, and even then people will ask in boht, so it wont really help [05:06] ajmorris_: Why? [05:06] Hobbsee: That'd be right. [05:06] The only, I mean the _only_ thing I dont like about Ubuntu is the notion of where do you hang if you want to get help on more advanced topics? This seems like it is discouraged with this distro [05:06] GaiaX11, i don't know maybe u spammed or something [05:06] gnomefreak: please dont do that. people often log -motu for packaging stuff [05:06] Fujitsu: from what i got in beginning of this open +1 to talk about devel on gutsy [05:06] Hobbsee: i dont do it [05:07] gnomefreak: (suggest people go to -motu, that is) [05:07] concept10: I know, a lot of people complain the same... I don't really think there is a good solution, unfortunately. If users obeyed the rules, it might work. [05:07] ajmorris_: No I did not. I have been of some help there. Who could solve it for me. [05:07] Fujitsu, you will never know if it will work or not if you dont try [05:07] Is there any justice there? [05:07] Hobbsee: i dont suggest anyone go there unless its devel related or if the problem persits for a few days and noone can fix it [05:08] GaiaX11: hold on ill look [05:08] Places like #gentoo and #debian don't have lots and lots of people who have just crossed over from Windows... It is possible for non-trivial problems to be solved there. In #ubuntu, that can't always happen. I think that this is a problem, but an #ubuntu-advanced isn't likely to fix it. [05:08] Fujitsu, maybe you could appoint a couple of other users to be chan ops of the other channel that concept10 wants, that warn people and kick people who do not follow the rules set [05:08] Fujitsu: you rock @ http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=413733 [05:08] Haha, me? And op? How strange. [05:08] Serious, you guys should expect someone with 3-5 years of experience to get help in that channel [05:09] Fujitsu, oops didn't realise u weren't an op lol [05:09] Hobbsee: Hm? Is that the one where I asked them if we were meant to support them? I've dealt with a few forum threads this morning. [05:09] 'night everyone! [05:10] Night, gouki. [05:10] I caused the unthinkable to happen... a forum user filed a bug about an issue. Not just any bug, but a bug in GNOME Bugzilla! I never thought I'd see the day... [05:10] hmmmmm [05:10] @btlogin [05:11] Fujitsu: yep. i replied too [05:11] Fujitsu: woo! [05:11] gnomefreak: So ... [05:11] GaiaX11: looking it up on bantracker atm sorry im uploading so it may take some time to load [05:11] Hehe, I like getswiftfox.org... Nice place to send people to. [05:12] wish we could cut the certs in half :( way too many [05:12] I see I have made not one bit of progress, like I said in the beginning.. where is the *policy* not opinions? [05:12] gnomefreak: Ok. I am here waiting ... [05:12] bantracker is borked :( [05:13] concept10: we know it's a problem. for every option, there are lots of bad things that come of it. it's a question on which one works best [05:13] concept10: currently, that's undecided, so we havent done anything yet [05:13] Hobbsee, someone needs to do something, its been this way for _years_ [05:13] GaiaX11: there was a quiet set on you [05:14] GaiaX11: it's been removed now. [05:14] nalioth: : What does it mean? [05:14] GaiaX11: means that you went against the CoC or !guidelines somehow . . . [05:14] nalioth: I am not a criminal. I am sure. === ajmorris_ [n=l337h4x0@220-253-55-92.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-ops [05:15] did you find it? [05:15] nalioth: How so? [05:15] GaiaX11: large paste, maybe? [05:15] in ubuntu last i see is on mar. 30th [05:15] and that was nalioth [05:16] Hobbsee: Me? I am sure that I didn't [05:16] Hobbsee: I'd like to see the proof logs [05:17] from what channel? [05:17] this pisses me off [05:17] GaiaX11: was a guess. === concept10 [n=concept1@ppp-70-247-165-142.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has left #ubuntu-ops [""showering] [05:18] Hobbsee: If you see my logs I am of some help in the channel. I think someone mixed me up with other person. [05:18] seveas cleared +1 so you didnt do anything there. cjwatson removed you from -release-party. nalioth removed/banned you for spamming (i would have to guess from what logs show. and i didnt look at lastyears [05:18] GaiaX11: could well have been === concept10 [n=concept1@ppp-70-247-165-142.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-ops [05:20] where is the best place to take up the discussion for a new proposed channel? [05:20] but i do not see a mute only removes and bans so for you not to beable to send to channel would most likely be a bug seeing as a mute doesnt last 3 weeks [05:21] concept10: this is the place. please share your ideas [05:21] concept10: here. seveas is head of #ubuntu IRC channels you would need to generally talk to him (or make a channel without the ubuntu,kubuntu,ed and x namespace [05:22] gnomefreak, thanks [05:23] concept10: hard part do not spam it in the channels that would be bad and most likely wont go over well with ops [05:23] gnomefreak: he can talk about it here, if he wishes [05:23] nalioth: he has and everyones answers pissed him off [05:24] gnomefreak, I havent spammed anything [05:24] this is day 2 i believe [05:24] gnomefreak, day 2 of what? [05:24] concept10: that was a warning to not to not that you did [05:24] concept10: ubuntu-irc@lists.ubuntu.com [05:24] gnomefreak: i've not seen anything about other channels [05:24] concept10: you asked this same question yesterday [05:24] nalioth: its about 10 minutes above now [05:24] gnomefreak, No I did'nt [05:25] gnomefreak, You must be mistaken, check the logs if you need to. [05:25] gnomefreak: no, someone else was, iirc [05:25] gnomefreak: oh, the #ubuntu-advanced idea [05:25] hmmmm i could have sworen it was you wither earlier today or yesterday [05:25] gnomefreak: yeah [05:26] it might have been someone else but same questiona nd the way you took what people said made me think it was you sorry if it wasnt you [05:27] gnomefreak, I know it wasn't me, I didn't think of it until nalioth redirected the channel 20-30 mins ago. [05:27] concept10: we already have 'advanced channels' with far less traffic . . . [05:27] ok sorry [05:28] we do? [05:28] they're called #ubuntu-offtopic and #kubuntu-offtopic [05:28] oh [05:28] lots of folks hi -offtopic to escape the masses [05:29] And now. What is happening with me? See my logs and you will see that I have helped the channel and the forum as well. Look at: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=413464 for example. I made the proposal :-) [05:30] And many people liked the idea :-) === Vorian [n=steve@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-ops [05:38] So ... Am I still mute in #ubuntu? [05:40] GaiaX11: i didnt see anyone mute you in the bantracker in #ubuntu can you please try to restart your client and than try if not come back here and we will try to figure out what happened [05:40] gnomefreak: Thx. I will [05:41] gnomefreak: i just told him i'd removed the mute [05:42] nalioth: i didnt see a mute [05:42] looked in bantracker and in #ubuntu -b [05:43] it was on the IP === GaiaX11 [n=vagner@201.57.125.2] has joined #ubuntu-ops [05:43] ah i didnt see ip in #ubuntu -b and didnt look for ip in bantracker :( [05:49] gnomefreak: It seems that everything is ok now. But why is that every time that I access the server I have to type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY to be identified if I am already registered? And I says that: "This nickname is owned by someone else". Did someone picked up my nick? :-( [05:49] GaiaX11: because "registered" != "identified" [05:50] GaiaX11: tell your client to automatically identify you when you connect [05:51] jrib: Hum. I will see. [05:52] should be in server settings [05:54] I have another nick in the settings Apollyon_ Which I'd like to use as default instead of GaiaX11 But I do not know how to set up it in the server. And it is already linked with GaiaX11 [05:55] And Abaddon_ [05:57] So it is like that in order: GaiaX11 > Apollyon_ > Abaddon_ But I'd like to put Apollyon as default in the server. But, I do not know how :-( [06:03] what irc client? [06:03] xchat-gnome [06:03] oh i dont know that. i havent used that in a very long time [06:04] .win 3 [06:04] What is .win 3? [06:04] it's a type [06:04] typo [06:05] typo [06:05] it should have been /win 3 [06:05] ???!!! [06:06] GaiaX11: change channels [06:06] instead of going through each one [06:07] GaiaX11: i use text based clients for irc [06:08] crap i think i locked up nautilus [06:09] But I think for me to put Apollyon_ as default it has not to do with the client. It has to do with the server freenode. I have to know how to config it. [06:10] GaiaX11: client to join with that nick but you can make anyo of your nicks as a "main" nick for freenode and just link the other name to it [06:11] It is already linked [06:12] Apollyon_ and Abaddon_ are GaiaX11 links [06:14] And Apollyon_ is my irc settings as first and Abaddon as second. But When I log in freenode GaiaX11 is the one which appears [06:18] So I think I have to set Apollyon_ as default in the server because it is already the default in my irc. The problem is: How? [06:23] gnomefreak, so...? any progress? [06:23] no that is something you need to talk to the banner about (atleast the best way about it) [06:24] I don't know who banned me [06:24] that was ages ago [06:24] Can't I just get a second chance? I promise I'll be good! === gnomefreak cant give you that since i didnt ban you. i know seveas_ banned you today but some of the things i saw in logs is why i wont touch your ban. if i were you i would talk to seveas_ tomorrow === gnomefreak going to bed its way past the tim ei set for my bed time [06:26] What sort of things === crdlb [n=crdlb@pool-70-104-186-68.norf.east.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-ops ["Ex-Chat"] === GaiaX11 [n=vagner@201.57.125.2] has left #ubuntu-ops ["Ex-Chat"] === ajmorris_ [n=l337h4x0@220-253-55-92.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-ops === ajmorris_ [n=l337h4x0@220-253-55-92.VIC.netspace.net.au] has left #ubuntu-ops ["Bye] === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Amaranth] by ChanServ === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Amaranth] by ChanServ [07:58] DARKGuy called the ops in #ubuntu [07:58] n2diy called the ops in #ubuntu === Madpilot bets that the #u troll was, at best, 13yrs old... [08:02] what did they do?> [08:02] " is it wasnt disgusting and possibly fatal, poo would be a great lubricant, dont you think" -- about six times [08:04] Madpilot: mroe than 6, it loosk like... [08:04] I did say "at best", but yeah, the poopy jokes were over by about eight, I think [08:05] what happened to my "don't use envy" factoid? === Gasten [n=Gasten@h3n11c1o1095.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-ops [08:27] Amaranth: It probably got removed for reasons of not discriminating against useless dangerous scripts. === ElllisD [n=ElllisD@cpe-24-59-50-145.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-ops [09:11] i just changed from port 6xxx to 8001 because i got an exploit bug notice- please let me know whats next- [09:12] fixddcexploit instructions are where i was told to change the port i connect to freenode w/ [09:12] brb- 5 mins [09:21] ElllisD: For a start don't try random DCC chats with people [09:21] k, sorry [09:21] I was in the process of hunting you down to report before I noticed you weren't a bot [09:22] join #amaranth [09:22] i'll test you [09:23] ElllisD: Alright, you're unbanned in #ubuntu [09:23] tyvm === ElllisD [n=ElllisD@cpe-24-59-50-145.twcny.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-ops ["Time] [10:05] Hm... why have I started to get trensfered to #ubuntu-ops when I try to join #ubuntu-offtopic ? Is it cancelled, or what? Im not a op! [10:07] Gasten: ask ljl when he gets back... [10:07] nzk, a *second* chance? You've already had more than that [10:07] @btlogin [10:07] Hobbsee: so.. it isn't closed? [10:08] Gasten: no [10:08] ok.. [10:08] Cool. [10:08] probably due to: 2007-04-19T22:09:03 *** Gasten has quit IRC ("part-messages are gay.") [10:09] Dont include that last word, or what? [10:09] yes [10:09] ok, then. [10:09] Gasten, using gay in a derogatory way is not supported by us [10:10] No, it's supported by me. So much for a FREE WORLD. [10:10] ops, caps. sorry. [10:10] accident. [10:10] Gasten: what he meant was the fact that it's offensive to others [10:10] and isnt exactly family friendly [10:10] Gasten, that argument won't work [10:10] using 'free world' as xcuse to offend others is bullshit [10:11] OH, IT DOESNT? [10:11] man... caps again, sorry. [10:11] I gotto get a new keyboard... === Hobbsee kills the capslock key [10:11] Gasten: when you do, give Seveas your "e" key. he needs a new one [10:11] @lart Hobbsee === ubotu pushes the wall down onto Hobbsee whilst whistling innocently [10:12] actually, you think it's ok to bash on big corporations like microsoft and apple, but not on people as a joke. === Hobbsee beats Seveas with a large stick [10:12] Gasten, we don't support bashing companies either [10:12] Riiiight. [10:13] hmm, my wifi is flakey today [10:13] 2 disconnects in as many minutes [10:16] Gasten, but yeah it happens and we're a bit loose about it. Not so much about offending entire groups of our population. There are more gay people in this world than MS employees [10:16] Seveas: Yes, that is a reason to bash ms employees. [10:16] Not really [10:17] the inexcusable badness of their products is though :) [10:17] anyways, it's wierd that I get kicked out from a offtopic channel, but not the official ubuntu channel. [10:17] Gasten, probably ljl didn't think it was bad enough [10:17] probably nobody noticed on the main channel [10:17] also a possibility [10:17] __is it only me who can see the fun in a part-message saying "part-messages are gay."?__ [10:18] well, I can't [10:18] Gasten: I see absolutely no humour in that [10:18] 100 years ago we would have been arguing whether or not you could say "part messages are nigger talk" or somethign equally racist [10:19] Burgundavia, I'd say 50 years [10:19] 100 yars ago that would have been acceptable I guess [10:19] why cant you say that? [10:19] thank $deity for progress [10:19] because it is using the word gay as an offensive term [10:19] offensive to whom? [10:19] part-messages? [10:19] evildennisr may or may not be trolling [10:20] Gasten: no, homosexual people [10:20] if we want to take away the negative status of a word, we have to use it. [10:20] by using the term as a putdown, you essentially degrade them [10:21] Man... [10:21] and if I were gay? [10:21] it's still no excuse [10:21] of caurse it is! [10:21] the people you would be offending wouldnt know that you are [10:23] and that's a reason to censor me. [10:23] we're not censoring you. we're just choosing to disallow that word. use it elsewhere all you like, but not in our channels [10:24] "we're not censoring you. we're just choosing to disallow that word." <--- roflol. [10:24] in our channels you are expected to abide by the Code of Conduct [10:25]