[02:25] <J_P> hi all
[03:01] <J_P> anyone are using with sucess KVM on 7.4 ?
[03:06] <foo> Hm, what is a better scenario for better IO throughput: a server with 6 500GB drives on RAID5, or 6 separate 500GB drives? 
[03:06] <foo> We're going to try the former with the dell 2950
[03:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> foo, i'd go with raid
[03:09] <foo> That's what I thought. Someone is telling me he thinks 6 drives without RAID and storing files across all the drives and what not will result in better throughput, but I'm not too sure
[03:09] <foo> But, I'm not too sure
[03:10] <foo> Any input is appreciated, thanks
[03:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'm asuming scsi, but i dont think 6 drives would be better
[03:11] <foo> oh, SATA, I think
[03:11] <foo> Yeah, pretty sure it's SATA
[03:11] <foo> Yeah, I don't think so either
[03:11] <foo> Thanks 
[03:16] <Impaque> foo: the RAID5 is not the speed king
[03:17] <Impaque> foo: RAID1 is ;)
[03:18] <foo> Hm, you're kidding - right?
[03:18] <foo> heh
[03:20] <Impaque> sorry, 0
[03:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> 0=striped?
[03:21] <Impaque> yep
[03:21] <Impaque> 1 is mirrored
[03:21] <foo> Right
[03:21] <foo> 0 does not have redundancy
[03:21] <Impaque> but still, raid5 should be faster than n independent drives
[03:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> 0 is fast to write, but reading theres no speed gain is ther?
[03:22] <foo> We do more reads than writes as well
[03:22] <Impaque> Kamping_Kaiser: hm, the reads should also be alleviated via striping, so reads should be faster as well
[03:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> Impaque, but on mirroring it can read both discs, for any data, with striping it has to read set bits of each disc
[03:28] <Impaque> the data is read in parallel from several discs, less seeking occurs
[03:30] <foo> Impaque: Are you still implying RAID0 is faster than RAID5 ?
[03:31] <foo> Only difference between RAID0 and RAID5 is that RAID5 has data redundancy, IIRC
[03:32] <Impaque> but that also means you use n-1 drives (the capacity of one drive, spread across all of them, is used for parity only. thus, data "spreading" is less than RAID0 with same amount of drives, where even less seeking occurs while reading)
[03:34] <Impaque> RAID0 is used in video/audio production a lot
[03:36] <Impaque> take a look: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/storage/display/400gb-raid0510.html
[04:00] <mralphabet> does anybody here have any experience with the arco ide products? specifically, installing the linux module / app?
[04:31] <burner> anyone having problems with mysql being unable to start?
[04:32] <foo> burner: That's pretty vague
[04:32] <foo> burner: Check the error log 
[04:32] <foo> burner: /var/lib/mysql/*err IIRC
[04:33] <foo> Impaque: Makes sense, interesting. 
[04:52] <burner> foo: disregard, seems i never tried it since feisty became final :)
[04:53] <foo> burner: oh, hehe :D 
[05:51] <yashton> question: I'm running Ubuntu server 7.04, on original install, i selected dvorak keyboard layout, thinking i'd want to try it, but now i want a regular qwerty setup. I've tried to install console-data and run dpkg-config on that. Also tried to use loadkeys, but i can't find where ubuntu stores keyboard layouts.
[06:00] <dj-fu> lol
[06:00] <dj-fu> owned by dvorak
[06:09] <nictuku> :-)
[06:10] <nictuku> I don't use 7.04 so I don't know. usually dpkg-reconfigure -plow console-data should work
[06:21] <yashton> why the -plow?
[06:22] <yashton> hokay, so i did that, is it going to need a reboot?
[06:58] <Yakshaver> Anyone have serial consoles working on feisty server i386?  I have grub output, and boot messages, but no login prompt...
[01:08] <coNP> Hey, does anyone know how to fix squirrelmail address books after an edgy -> feisty server upgrade?
[01:08] <coNP> I am told "Address book is corrupted. Required fields are missing."
[01:10] <r00tintheb0x> eeh... eek.
[01:41] <shawarma> coNP: If you fetch the squirrelmail source, there's an UPGRADE file that might be helpful.
[01:41] <shawarma> coNP: I don't use squirrelmail, though, so I don't know if it actually *is* helpful, but it seems like a sensible place to start.
[01:44] <shawarma> coNP: It's interesting though that noone reported this. Neither to us, nor to Debian. Do you have a very specialised setup?
[01:49] <coNP> shawarma: no, actually it is very basic
[01:50] <shawarma> coNP: http://www.mail-archive.com/squirrelmail-users@lists.sourceforge.net/msg25205.html
[01:52] <coNP> shawarma: thanks I guess I got the answer
[01:53] <coNP> I converted the address books with a script and was not aware that all fields are mandatory now
[01:53] <coNP> shawarma: thanks for helping
[01:54] <shawarma> np
[05:58] <Yakshaver> Has anyone actually gotten a serial console working on feisty?  I have grub output, and boot messages, but I don't get a login prompt.
[06:02] <flowolf> hi all
[06:15] <Impaque> compared to LTS version, what are the pitfalls of upgrading the non-LTS server versions (like Feisty) ?
[06:15] <Impaque> some general experience hints would be appreciated, because i don't know whether to stick with LTS and it's prolonged EOL, or to grab the bleeding edge
[06:16] <ivoks> upgrading to...?
[06:16] <Impaque> new version which appears after 18mo
[06:16] <ivoks> 6, not 18
[06:16] <ivoks> new version is every 6 months
[06:17] <ivoks> and you can upgrade step by step
[06:17] <ivoks> so... you can upgrade 6.06 to 6.10, and then 6.10 to 7.04
[06:17] <ivoks> you can't upgrade 6.06 to 7.04
[06:17] <ivoks> it really depends on what your server will do
[06:18] <ivoks> i have only one server on Edgy (will promote it to Feisty soon), and all others are on LTS
[06:18] <flowolf> is anyone using software raid in ubuntu server?
[06:18] <ivoks> (others ~ 30)
[06:18] <ivoks> flowolf: yes
[06:18] <flowolf> ivoks: could you take a look on my bug report? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/108971
[06:19] <ivoks> so, you don't have devices listed in mdadm conffile
[06:20] <flowolf> that file is auto created
[06:20] <ivoks> your /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf is empty?
[06:20] <flowolf> no
[06:20] <flowolf> it is attached
[06:20] <flowolf> check it :)
[06:20] <flowolf> http://librarian.launchpad.net/7386866/mdadm.conf
[06:20] <ivoks> oh, sorry :)
[06:21] <ivoks> looks ok
[06:21] <flowolf> mmm
[06:21] <flowolf> looks like it isn't always working
[06:22] <flowolf> it just failed to init the system
[06:23] <ivoks> what does vol_id -u /dev/md0 says?
[06:23] <ivoks> (as root)
[06:24] <flowolf> let me reboot
[06:24] <flowolf> it's on the (initramfs) now
[06:24] <ivoks> eh...
[06:24] <ivoks> i have to go now, so i don't have time...
[06:25] <ivoks> check if uids are correct and status of /proc/mdstat
[06:25] <ivoks> bye
[06:42] <h4wk> Getting a very nice error :/
[06:43] <h4wk> checking for libpq++.h... configure: error: Unable to find libpq++.h 
[06:43] <h4wk> Got all the postgre packages
[08:53] <foo> Hmm, looks like the tech had issues installing ubuntu 6.06 on the dell 2950, and 6.10 ... so he installed 7.04 and he said it worked like a charm. Is this ok for production use?
[08:53] <h4wk> I dont see why not :)
[08:54] <h4wk> (However you will need to upgrade as support isnt as long as 6.06)
[08:55] <h4wk> Im just getting annoying postgresql doesnt have libpq++.h anymore
[09:03] <foo> h4wk: hmm, upgrade... yeah. Odds are that will be a dist-upgrade and won't be too bad, right? I really wish 6.06 worked.
[09:03] <h4wk> Well ive got 6.06 on my dedi server atm
[09:03] <h4wk> No regrets, just install 7.04 on my desktop
[09:03] <h4wk> Shame i still have vista on the laptop
[09:04] <foo> Yes, that is a shame. Those are the kind of things you keep to yourself.
[09:04] <foo> :D 
[09:04] <foo> Do they fix up 6.06 with better hardware support?
[09:06] <h4wk> Keep to myself :P
[09:06] <h4wk> id get asked to many questions if i had ubuntu on my laptop!
[09:06] <foo> hehe
[09:06] <foo> Ubuntu + beryl
[09:06] <foo> :)
[09:33] <benlake> anyone having issues with fiesty needing to have the network modules reloaded to work?
[09:33] <benlake> after a reboot, I should say.
[09:44] <h4wk> Humm
[09:45] <h4wk> indeed foo unbuntu+beryl ftw
[09:51] <benlake> anyone have MD arrays showing [fail]  to stop on reboot in Fiesty?
[10:06] <foo> h4wk: :)
[10:20] <h4wk> foo
[10:21] <h4wk> Im having a problem with ubuntu 7.04, beryl and emerald :(
[10:21] <foo> ah
[10:21] <foo> #beryl, hm, there are some good guides online
[10:21] <foo> I have it on 6.06
[10:21] <foo> :D 
[10:59] <okaratas> hello
[11:40] <benlake> anyone have network module issues after an upgrade to fiesty?
[11:41] <benlake> bI have to rmmod then modprobe my network modules for them to work after a reboot. They are loaded on boot but simply dont work.
[11:55] <benlake> ....
[11:55] <Burgundavia> fresh install or udpate?
[12:03] <benlake> upgrade
[12:06] <Burgundavia> hmm
[12:06] <Burgundavia> from 6.10?