[12:26] <Shaba1> are symbolic links on unix/linux the same as shortcuts on window?
[12:27] <kma> yes and no
[12:30] <Shaba1> ok kma how yes?
[12:30] <Shaba1> how ni?
[12:30] <totalwormage> ecki ecki ecki ptang zoo phong!
[12:36] <soweto76> I upgraded from Edgy to Feisty.  I read in the announcement of the new release that there  was a "wizard" of some sort to install nasty codecs.  I don't know how to access this program.
[12:39] <odat> hello everyone
[12:39] <odat> anyone able to get apple's movie trailers working with gxine?
[12:40] <Shaba1> Ok anyone know how to put a driver for a web cam on xubuntu
[12:40] <Shaba1> I found a site that supposedly had a driver
[12:40] <Shaba1> but I just could not figure it out. It was all linuxspeak
[12:40] <Shaba1> and I do windowsspeak
[12:41] <odat> did you plug your webcam in?
[12:41] <Shaba1> yes
[12:41] <Shaba1> of course I did odat
[12:42] <odat> what did you test your cam with?
[12:42] <Shaba1> just becasue I use windows does not mean I am a complete idiot
[12:42] <Shaba1> I have been programming computers since before you were born probably
[12:43] <odat> answer the question please
[12:44] <Shaba1> I did
 of course I did odat
[12:46] <odat> what program did you use to test it
[12:46] <odat> that was the question
[12:46] <Shaba1> thats the thing
[12:46] <Shaba1> I did not try any program I yahooed for +Creative +Webcam +Notebook +linux
[12:47] <Shaba1> and found a page that clamied to have a driver
[12:47] <Shaba1> but instead of simple instruction on how to install the driver
[12:47] <Shaba1> the page had a whole lot of history and this and that
[12:47] <odat> open synaptic and install camorama
[12:47] <odat> the driver is probably already installed
[12:49] <Shaba1> then why am I not able to use that cam on the xubuntu side of my laptop
[12:49] <odat> what are you talking about bro
[12:49] <odat> install camorama then use that program to see if your cam is working
[12:49] <odat> install camorama on the xubuntu side
[12:49] <odat> through synaptic
[12:50] <Pumpernickel> soweto76: If you attempt to play an unsupported media file, it should launch automatically.
[12:50] <Shaba1> http://feanor.sssup.it/~pj/linux/creative_webcam_notebook.html
[12:51] <Shaba1> http://mxhaard.free.fr/download.html
[12:51] <Shaba1> those are the two pages I found
[12:51] <odat> shaba1 are you not listening?
[12:52] <odat> get on your xubuntu machine
[12:52] <odat> attached the cam
[12:52] <odat> open up synaptic and install camorama
[12:52] <soweto76> Pumpernickel, when I tried to play a web based video (probably buried in javascript) I did not get an automatic response.
[12:52] <Shaba1> I heard you
[12:52] <Shaba1> you mind if I take the time to start up the machine
[12:52] <Shaba1> ??
[12:52] <odat> open up camorama and see if your cam is working
[12:52] <odat> chances are since its a creative webcam the driver is already installed on your machine
[12:53] <Pumpernickel> soweto76: If you can find out what format it's in, and what media player plugin your browser is using, I can probably tell you what package you'll need.
[12:54] <odat> Pumpernickel, any reason why gxine doesn't play quicktime movies?  i have all the codecs installed
[12:54] <soweto76> Pumpernickel, Anyway, I understand that the automatic nature now.  I have installed the codes like win32 and a gxine browser plugin and it now works.  Thanks.
[12:54] <Pumpernickel> soweto76: OK, cool.
[12:56] <BFTD> wad up?
[12:56] <hyper_ch> hmmm, Kate doesn't like a 250mb sql file...
[12:57] <Pumpernickel> odat: Does it crash, or just not play?
[12:57] <Shaba1> starting up now odat
[12:57] <odat> Pumpernickel, just doesn't play
[12:58] <Pumpernickel> And you have libxine1-plugins installed?
[01:00] <soweto76> Pumpernickel, libxine1-plugins seems to have a lot of gnome depencies eh.
[01:01] <soweto76> Pumpernickel, ^depencies^dependencies
[01:02] <Pumpernickel> Yeah.  The actual codecs are mostly in libxine1-ffmpeg and libxine1, but the other dependencies provide some output plugins as well.
[01:02] <soweto76> okeeleedokeelee
[01:04] <Shaba1> Its downloading now odat
[01:05] <Shaba1> that did it odat
[01:05] <Shaba1> thanks
[01:07] <Shaba1> ok next question
[01:07] <Shaba1> How can I adjust the amout of time before grub starts windows
[01:07] <Shaba1> now it is at 25 seconds
[01:07] <Shaba1> I would like it to be a minute
[01:41] <Morpheus_74> Hello.  I just did a fresh install of fiesty, and the text when in tty1,2,3,4.. is extremely huge that I cannot see what I type in be
[01:42] <Morpheus_74> any ideas?
[01:59] <helloworld> hello
[01:59] <helloworld> how do i install gnome on xubuntu???
[01:59] <helloworld> can't find ubuntu-gnome
[02:01] <helloworld> nm its ubuntu desktop
[03:27] <Lord_Maynoth_42> If anyone could help me please, I am about to go batty.. My NIC was detected and working fine(still does in xp) in xubuntu feisty, but it quit so I reformatted in ubuntu.  It says its an unknown device in hardware information.  I downloaded and installed the latest linux driver from realtek RTL8111B but it didn't do anything so I rebooted and it still says unknown device...
[03:29] <malnilion> Wireless or ethernet?
[03:29] <Lord_Maynoth_42> hey
[03:29] <Lord_Maynoth_42> its ethernet
[03:30] <Lord_Maynoth_42> :/
[03:30] <malnilion> Hmmm, most ethernet should be supported out of box :-/
[03:30] <malnilion> let's see...
[03:30] <Lord_Maynoth_42> it was working
[03:30] <Lord_Maynoth_42> fine
[03:30] <Lord_Maynoth_42> then it wuit
[03:30] <Lord_Maynoth_42> quit
[03:30] <Lord_Maynoth_42> so i reformatted it
[03:30] <Lord_Maynoth_42> um
[03:30] <Lord_Maynoth_42> when you install a driver
[03:30] <Lord_Maynoth_42> i had to compile
[03:30] <Lord_Maynoth_42> do you have to redetect hardware
[03:30] <malnilion> A kernel module?
[03:30] <Lord_Maynoth_42> yes
[03:31] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I installed as per the instructions
[03:31] <malnilion> Yeah, you probably had to reload the kernel module
[03:31] <malnilion> And assuming that worked, you would have internet...
[03:31] <Lord_Maynoth_42> make clean modules		make install	depmod -a
[03:31] <Lord_Maynoth_42> thats what it said to do
[03:32] <malnilion> Yeah, probably should have set things up for you
[03:32] <Lord_Maynoth_42> :c
[03:32] <malnilion> Okay, so next question, are you using a network manager?
[03:32] <Lord_Maynoth_42> what do you mean?
[03:32] <malnilion> Like a network manager application?
[03:33] <Lord_Maynoth_42> whatever the default install has
[03:33] <malnilion> Could you see if there's any info when you run "ifconfig" from a command line?
[03:34] <Lord_Maynoth_42> sure...
[03:35] <Lord_Maynoth_42> i will have to reboot and check though
[03:35] <Lord_Maynoth_42> im on my xp hard drive
[03:35] <malnilion> Oh, damn
[03:35] <Lord_Maynoth_42> :/
[03:35] <malnilion> Well, here's the thing, if you don't have internet when you boot up, there's a problem
[03:35] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I can't figure it
[03:35] <Lord_Maynoth_42> out
[03:35] <Lord_Maynoth_42> it works great in xp
[03:35] <Lord_Maynoth_42> it was working in xubuntu
[03:35] <Lord_Maynoth_42> and then it just quit
[03:35] <Lord_Maynoth_42> :c
[03:36] <Lord_Maynoth_42> its saying its an unknown device
[03:36] <Lord_Maynoth_42> but it lists its info
[03:36] <Lord_Maynoth_42> is there anyway to force it to use a driver?
[03:36] <malnilion> You didn't remove any kernel packages that were installed did you?
[03:36] <Lord_Maynoth_42> no
[03:36] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I did a fresh install even
[03:36] <Lord_Maynoth_42> of fiesty xubuntu
[03:37] <Lord_Maynoth_42> and then ubuntu
[03:37] <malnilion> Strange...
[03:37] <Lord_Maynoth_42> is it possible to force it to use a driver
[03:37] <malnilion> I'm not certain :-/
[03:43] <Lord_Maynoth_42> modprobe
[03:43] <Lord_Maynoth_42> what does that do
[03:43] <Lord_Maynoth_42> ?
[03:59] <Morpheus_74> Hello.  Can someone help me with my refresh rate?
[04:29] <BFTD> Morpheus_74 whats the problem?
[04:32] <LM1> How do I force a hardware redetect?
[04:37] <Morpheus_74> BFTD: Are you still here?
[04:37] <BFTD> Morpheus_74 yes
[04:38] <LM1> :C
[04:39] <Morpheus_74> BFTD: I just did a fresh install of Xubuntu 7.04 (fiesty), and my video card is an intel i740.
[04:39] <BFTD> ew
[04:39] <BFTD> ok
[04:39] <BFTD> go on
[04:39] <Morpheus_74> BFTD: I edited my xorg file to get my display to 1024 X 768, but I cannot change the refresh rate, when I scroll with the mouse it's choppy, and when I got to tty1,2,3... the font is so large that I cannot see what I'm typing at the bottom of the screen.
[04:40] <BFTD> oh
[04:40] <BFTD> its the type of card actually
[04:40] <BFTD> its old and yuckie
[04:41] <Morpheus_74> BFTD: I had it working under Ubuntu 6.06.  Did something major change with 7.04?
[04:42] <Morpheus_74> BFTD: Anything I can do?  I thought Linux was suppose to be good with older hardware?
[04:42] <BFTD> !i780
[04:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about i780 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:42] <BFTD> !info i780
[04:42] <ubotu> Package i780 does not exist in feisty
[04:42] <BFTD> hrm
[04:42] <BFTD> !i810
[04:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about i810 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:42] <BFTD> oooh
[04:43] <BFTD> 740
[04:43] <BFTD> ok
[04:43] <emilami> yall, i have a few questions
[04:43] <emilami> i've been a longtime xfce4 user on gentoo
[04:43] <BFTD> shoot
[04:43] <emilami> i got frustrated with gentoo and switched to kubuntu... which is killing me
[04:43] <emilami> how stable is xubuntu?
[04:44] <BFTD> more then kubuntu
[04:44] <emilami> i was led to believe it was basically in development stages
[04:44] <emilami> awesome
[04:44] <BFTD> alt+F2
[04:44] <BFTD> terminal
[04:44] <BFTD> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[04:45] <emilami> how does it handle wireless?
[04:45] <LM1> is there a command to redetect hardware?
[04:45] <ElTigreDelSur> can someone help me with a sound problem?
[04:45] <BFTD> LM1 I'm not sure
[04:45] <emilami> i've had serious problems with kubuntu settings colliding somehow, and my wireless is dropping on me every few hours
[04:45] <BFTD> emilami I had to use ndiswrapper for mine
[04:46] <emilami> and then it takes at least an hour to get it working again
[04:46] <BFTD> Oh? you have wireless already, ok cool
[04:46] <BFTD> yeah
[04:46] <BFTD> It does that to me too
[04:46] <BFTD> but not under xubuntu
[04:46] <emilami> i just used the little builtin... whatever it is that kde uses
[04:46] <emilami> i set up wlassistant at first
[04:47] <BFTD> 7.04 right?
[04:47] <emilami> yeah
[04:47] <emilami> and that told me that it dropped support for it and was going to uninstall it
[04:47] <BFTD> ok
[04:47] <peeps> i don't understand why I don't have firefox 2.0.  does anyone know how to make apt-get give me 2.0
[04:48] <BFTD> peeps what version?
[04:48] <BFTD> OS that is
[04:48] <peeps> 7.04
[04:48] <BFTD> hrm
[04:48] <BFTD> what did it install?
[04:48] <peeps> it started as Dapper, and has been upgraded twice
[04:49] <peeps> when i run firefox it says 1.5.0.4
[04:49] <emilami> i used to like gentoo, but over the past 2 years it has become unstable... so... yeah
[04:49] <emilami> and gentoo is basically all i know, so i feel like an idiot trying to figure this stuff out
[04:50] <emilami> especially since i'm used to my husband doing all the network configuration for me
[04:50] <peeps> according to apt-get i already have the latest version of firefox installed
[04:51] <peeps> i don't get it
[04:51] <emilami> mine is on 2.0.0.3
[04:51] <emilami> go to help - about
[04:51] <emilami> it will tell you what your version is
[04:51] <peeps> i know, and it says 1.5.0.4
[04:52] <peeps> i tried a reinstalll but that didn't seem to do anything
[04:52] <emilami> 2.0.0.3 is what i am seeing in the adept manager thing also
[04:54] <BFTD> peeps pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:56] <emilami> i'm going to torrent xubuntu overnight, wipe the kubuntu, and just start fresh
[04:56] <emilami> i'm glad i keep a /home partition ^_^;
[04:57] <BFTD> emilami whats wrong with sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[04:57] <emilami> it would work, but i think my husband is going to switch also
[04:58] <emilami> this way we just have to download it once
[04:58] <emilami> and will have a disc
[05:00] <emilami> thanks for your help, bftd
[05:03] <peeps> http://pastebin.ca/452188
[05:03] <peeps> BFTD, there is the file, sorry it took me a bit
[05:09] <BFTD> peeps go her -----> http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic/
[05:09] <BFTD> and create a feisty sources.list
[05:14] <minstrel> anyone know what gives with xubuntu 7.04 not being able to boot safe graphic mode when hooked to a twinview setup?
[05:15] <Pumpernickel> 1)  Where are you specifying safe mode - boot, or login? and 2)  What error messages do you get?
[05:23] <peeps> BFTD, ok now what
[05:23] <BFTD> peeps sudo apt-get update
[05:24] <peeps> ok
[05:24] <itknight> hi All
[05:24] <itknight> has anyone done a ltsp setup on Xubuntu
[05:33] <peeps> BFTD, didn't seem to help
[05:33] <BFTD> peeps whats the output of this command "apt-cache search firefox"
[05:34] <minstrel> Pumpernickel:    just on the cd boot    have a nvidia card with a viewsonic on the vga and a dell on the dvi port     the vga went offline and the dell said range too low
[05:35] <peeps> BFTD, http://pastebin.ca/452224
[05:39] <BFTD> peeps I'm not too sure whats wrong
[05:39] <BFTD> try sudo apt-get remove firefox then sudo apt-get install firefox
[05:43] <Pumpernickel> minstrel: Sounds like it's trying to output a video mode not supported by those monitors.  Have you tried specifying it manually?
[05:43] <Pumpernickel> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VESA_driver#VESA_video_mode_numbers
[05:51] <minstrel> Pumpernickel:    vga=xxx i can do but what are the commands for doing refresh rate?  80hz ?
[05:55] <test3r> !menu edit
[05:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about menu edit - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:00] <test3r> wait now i see the menu editor! it did get fixed in 610, yes?
[06:08] <rici> i just tried to burn a cd with xfburn on 6.10, and it did absolutely nothing really fast. i.e. it shows 100% complete immediately without doing anything.
[06:08] <rici> cdrecord worked from the command line, though.
[06:11] <Samt> Anyone know where to get an xubuntu md5sum from? I tried https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes but can't find xubuntu md5s there.
[06:11] <rici> i just found those.
[06:11] <rici> sec.
[06:12] <rici> Samt: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/feisty/release/MD5SUMS
[06:12] <Samt> thanks
[06:13] <test3r> rici > have u tried growisofs ?
[06:13] <rici> no
[06:13] <rici> what would it do that would be useful to me?
[06:13] <test3r> ive been able to use that - its from cmnd line. but have the worst luck with the GUI ones with my hardware
[06:13] <test3r> well it burns disks
[06:13] <test3r> cds or dvd
[06:14] <rici> odd name for a burner
[06:14] <rici> but cdrecord worked fine
[06:14] <test3r> u dont even have to do much fancy just hook up ur burner to the tux box (even USB) flip it oon. stik in blank.  then run the program with switches
[06:15] <test3r> try man growisofs  and you'll see
[06:17] <rici> ok, i'll keep that in mind.
[06:17] <test3r> i used it to re-construct data from a corrupted disk made by a Mac user that doesn't understand how to test a Paid Job that he handed to me
[06:17] <test3r> kewlio.
[06:17] <rici> looks handy.
[06:17] <rici> i don't actually burn cd's that often, just when i'm about to travel
[06:18] <rici> i was just wondering why xfburn didn't do anything
[06:18] <rici> i expected at least an error message or something.
[06:18] <test3r> yeah im not sure about the audio CDs with that prog. cant be that hard though
[06:18] <rici> i was burning an iso, anyway
[06:18] <rici> i usually like to carry my active work with me, just in case.
[06:19] <test3r> i think i ended up mounting thru loop bak
[06:19] <test3r> the iso?
[06:20] <rici> yeah
[06:20] <rici> i don't know why i bother.
[06:20] <rici> i always have this fantasy that i'll have some spare time and a machine to borrow
[06:20] <rici> it never actually works out that way
[06:20] <test3r> a/nd then just ref the mount from the cmnd line 'growisofs -dvd-compat -speed=1 -Z /dev/dvd -R -J /some/files
[06:20] <rici> but having the cd gives me some sort of sense of security
[06:20] <test3r> write doen that last bit there
[06:21] <test3r> ;)   njoy
[06:21] <rici> thanks
[06:21] <test3r> thats for rockridge jouliete  the resulting disk will be compat alot of things
[06:22] <test3r> and of course thats for burning to a blank DVD- but im sure the CD line looks similar
[06:25] <test3r> hey u havin trouble getting a box to run xubuntu on????  lol, come buy one of mine.  $30.
[06:25] <test3r> the next Presario i see someone toss out iin the dumpster ima try poketlinux on
[06:26] <test3r> or something just ultra ultra compat
[06:26] <Pumpernickel> minstrel: I don't know of any way to specify refresh.
[06:26] <test3r> & learn how to do the etc. but something that works better than gentoo HAHAHAHAHAH
[06:26] <Ratshell> Hey question where would I go to report admin abuse?
[06:26] <Pumpernickel> Ratshell: What kind of abuse / where?
[06:27] <Ratshell> Okay one of the admins for some reason baned me from ubuntu.
[06:27] <minstrel> thanks Punpernickel    may try switching monitors or something to see if i can resolve it
[06:27] <Ratshell> So I went to Ubuntu-ops to report them, the same one banned from there
[06:27] <Pumpernickel> Ratshell: #ubuntu-ops
[06:27] <Pumpernickel> hmmm
[06:27] <Ratshell> So I went to ubuntu+1 to ask a question about gnump3d and and that admin banned me there to
[06:27] <Ratshell> I didn't do anything and I want to be unbanned
[06:29] <Ratshell> So any idea?
[06:30] <test3r> more. liquid. refreshment.      yes
[06:32] <Pumpernickel> Looking at the bantracker... seems you made a royal pain of yourself.
[06:36] <Shaba1> how do I check my sound system/ all of a sudden I am not getting any audio on dvds or screen cast in xubuntu
[06:38] <test3r> always first chek the plug. 99% of the time its The Plug. then chek to see the card is in all the way by removing it then putting it back in the PCI / USB however you are connecting your soundcard.
[06:38] <Shaba1> its a laptop
[06:38] <Shaba1> so there are no connectors to speakers
[06:39] <test3r> have you added a link to your audio panel at your top bar yet?
[06:40] <test3r> right click the top bar, goto add, find the audio program
[06:40] <test3r> mine says "Volume Control" in the resulting list of things to ass
[06:41] <test3r> uh assasinate
[06:41] <test3r> no thats not the word i meand
[06:41] <test3r> add
[06:41] <Shaba1> what top bars
[06:41] <test3r> your top Panel
[06:41] <Shaba1> I right click
[06:42] <Shaba1> and then clicked add new items
[06:42] <test3r> with the clock? and the Applications menu and such
[06:42] <Shaba1> now I have a dialog box
[06:42] <Shaba1> with some choices
[06:42] <test3r> so it is the choice pertaining to your question
[06:42] <Shaba1> hold on let me look to see if anyof them look like they deal with video
[06:42] <test3r> the audio related choice
[06:45] <Shaba1> that is what I meant
[06:45] <Shaba1> I just typed
[06:45] <Shaba1> audio
[06:45] <Shaba1> Ok I adjusted every slider I cold fine up
[06:46] <Shaba1> NOW its playing
[06:46] <Shaba1> thanks test3r
[06:46] <test3r> hey np man   =)))
[06:46] <Shaba1> nice
[06:46] <Shaba1> and quick
[06:46] <Shaba1> i like that
[06:46] <Shaba1> thanks
[06:46] <test3r> i find screenshot icon to add to be nice
[06:47] <test3r> quick and easy & allows you to set delay, auto-filename (it will just put them in your user dir)
[06:48] <test3r> the mount thing looked dangerous to me because it might unmount my main partition (hda1?)
[06:49] <test3r> of the other choices to add to the bar
[06:49] <test3r> ... i need to figure out how to just add a shortcut to Terminal up there. the same thats under accessories.
[06:52] <rici> add new item | launcher | fill it all in
[06:53] <test3r> oh shnap! thx!  now i just gota figure out where its calling...
[06:53] <rici> .. /usr/bin/xfce4-terminal
[06:53] <rici> without the ..
[06:53] <test3r> i know where to look for that
[06:53] <test3r> ok
[06:53] <rici> and you'll probably want to find the nice Terminal icon
[06:55] <test3r> its in the button-select-list
[06:55] <test3r> veryvery ez
[06:56] <xjkx> What graphical cd burner comes By Default on xubuntu ?
[06:57] <Pumpernickel> xfburn
[07:02] <test3r> has ne1 found a better x editor than "xjed" yet for learning C?
[07:04] <xjkx> Pumpernickel, does it burn audio?
[07:07] <xjkx> LoL, this xfburn uses gnome thing
[07:08] <xjkx> xubuntu using gtk would not sound right
[07:08] <Pumpernickel> No, it doesn't burn audio.
[07:08] <Pumpernickel> And Xfce is gtk based, so I'm not sure what your problem with that is.
[07:09] <xjkx> oh...i thought it was a fluxbox follower :/
[07:10] <Pumpernickel> If you're looking to burn audio disks, graveman may work for you.
[07:10] <Pumpernickel> !info graveman
[07:11] <Pumpernickel> ...and the bot is lagged.
[07:11] <ubotu> graveman: graphical tool to burn dvd and cd, gtk based. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.12-5-1 (feisty), package size 692 kB, installed size 2432 kB
[07:11] <xjkx> Pumpernickel, i am actually writing a description and only default packages counts ;)
[07:11] <Pumpernickel> ah
[07:12] <xjkx> but thanks, the information it uses gtk was awesome :>
[07:12] <xjkx> Pumpernickel, then why its less heavy than gnome? i dont get it
[07:13] <xjkx> i meant xfce
[07:13] <xjkx> or xubuntu X ubuntu
[07:13] <Pumpernickel> Gtk is just the interface toolkit.  There's a lot of other stuff that goes into making a desktop environment.
[07:14] <xjkx> uhmm, so kde is not heavy for using QT, i get the point
[07:14] <test3r> gtk is used by C compiler
[07:14] <Pumpernickel> Yeah.
[07:14] <Pumpernickel> test3r: Uh... what?
[07:15] <test3r> isnt it? in my book it said i neede d a gtk pak or two installed for it to compile
[07:15] <test3r> they might have been already on here, though
[07:15] <xjkx> I thought the interface toolkit was heavy already, are they all the same (in this topic)
[07:15] <Pumpernickel> test3r: Those would be requirements for a specific application.
[07:17] <Pumpernickel> e.g; in order to build an app that requires gtk, you'll need the gtk development headers.
[07:18] <test3r> ooop im sorry its libg++
[07:18] <test3r> (contains useful C classes for noobs)
[07:19] <xjkx> Pumpernickel, would you mention any example that makes a DE hevier? i know kde comes with a lot of packages, but it would just keep space in HD, it wouldn't be in memory since it isnt in execution as long as you don't open the application, It's really interesting to understand, if you don't care explainning
[07:21] <Pumpernickel> There's lots of things that contribute.
[07:22] <Pumpernickel> The mindow manager, the file browser, various applets, how frequently-used libraries are implemented.
[07:23] <Pumpernickel> Thunar, for example, is much lighter than Nautilus or Konqueror.
[07:25] <xjkx> And, the libraries are totally different between gnome and xfce, uh ho, i think i got it
[07:26] <xjkx> But to people like me, who installs firefox wherever i am, uses xterm as file browser, the DE shouldn't make that much difference, but the libraries
[07:27] <test3r> that libg++ is outdated to the point of Do Not Use. good thing i read descriptions. I wonder how I'm supposed to interface with C++ then? hopefully my book is new enough to know C++ has changed
[07:28] <Catoptromancy> hmmm preparing mount points seems unusally hard
[07:28] <Pumpernickel> test3r: Most of what was in libg++ is in libstdc++.
[07:29] <test3r> which is already there.  Sweet
[07:30] <test3r> don't ya jus Love C     =D
[07:30] <test3r> i could kiss C.
[07:30] <xjkx> i couldnt, but i could kiss java
[07:31] <Catoptromancy> it says "no root file system"
[07:31] <test3r> java is nice- but java cant compile me Doom to run on my tuxbox.
[07:31] <Catoptromancy> when i try to manually edit partition table
[07:31] <test3r> but java is oop.  the c ive seen is very procedural.
[07:38] <xjkx> and xubuntu comes with firefox? sorry if i asked already
[07:39] <Pumpernickel> Yeah.
[07:40] <xjkx> thanks
[07:43] <test3r> The text editor that comes with Xubuntu, "mousepad," is lightweight, & very easy, too.
[07:48] <Shaba1> guys I did a search for php and mysql in synaptic
[07:48] <Shaba1> I came up with nothing
[07:48] <Shaba1> should I just go and dowload xamp
[07:48] <Shaba1> ??
[07:49] <Pumpernickel> !info php5
[07:49] <ubotu> php5: server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package). In component main, is optional. Version 5.2.1-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 1 kB, installed size 20 kB
[07:49] <Shaba1> Sorry if that sound dumb
[07:49] <malnilion> Um, there's no way there is nothing in synaptic for phy or mysqly in synaptic
[07:49] <malnilion> php, even
[07:49] <malnilion> jesus
[07:49] <test3r> do u want Apache?
[07:49] <malnilion> I can't type
[07:49] <Shaba1> I already have all of it on the windows side
[07:49] <Shaba1> Well I really do not need apache
[07:49] <Shaba1> but I do web development
[07:50] <Shaba1> on a volunteer basis for non profits
[07:50] <test3r> so what r u trying to get ur box to do?
[07:50] <test3r> edit code?
[07:50] <Shaba1> and I use a web server called badblue to do the things I need on my own computer
[07:50] <Shaba1> then upload to thier live webhost
[07:50] <Shaba1> badblue runs php and its small and lightweight
[07:51] <Shaba1> but I do not think they make a linux version
[07:51] <test3r> i think apache does that too yeah
[07:51] <test3r> =D
[07:51] <test3r> and PERL
[07:51] <test3r> do u have PERL going too?
[07:51] <test3r> playing w/ DNS ranges?
[07:51] <Shaba1> if you can reccomend a small webserver for linux I would be glad to yahoo for it
[07:51] <test3r> =x
[07:51] <test3r> ..
[07:51] <Shaba1> I just thougth xamp becase its all in one apache,php and mysql all in one package
[07:52] <Shaba1> test3r??
[07:54] <xjkx> what mp3 player comes with xubuntu?
[07:55] <test3r> my grrrrl dropt by.   Apache is the best server that i know of for linux- there might be another one that suits your needs better. the only thing you can do is- yes- use yahoo or Webcrawler to search based on words. perhaps- "lightweight linux server"
[07:56] <test3r> or use the search in Synaptic
[07:56] <test3r> thats usualy a good first try
[07:56] <hyper_ch> how can I kill Zombie processes
[08:00] <test3r> Shaba1 > check for "dropbear" in synaptic. here is a link to a webpage about the prog- http://www.penguin-soft.com/penguin/man/8/dropbear.html   Maybe this one will work? Good luck!
[08:01] <Pumpernickel> hyper_ch: You can't, really.  They'll get cleaned up eventually by init.
[08:01] <hyper_ch> Pumpernickel: what means "eventually"? there are some that have been running for ages
[08:03] <Pumpernickel> http://aplawrence.com/SCOFAQ/FAQ_scotec6cantkill.html
[08:12] <hyper_ch> Pumpernickel: I'll reboot
[08:18] <hyper_ch> Pumpernickel: how can I save the current session now? Without needing to reboot or logout?
[08:20] <christof> ah no sorry it seems to wor
[08:20] <Pumpernickel> hyper_ch: Dunno.
[08:23] <hyper_ch> Pumpernickel: how comes there is something you don't know? ;)
[08:26] <Pumpernickel> I'm human too - I can be allowed to not know stuff. ^^
[08:28] <test3r> im reading unix articles on interwebs
[08:30] <hyper_ch> Pumpernickel: and the next thing you'll tell me is that earth isn't flat? ^^
[08:32] <Pumpernickel> hyper_ch: It is flat, actually - there's photographic evidence. http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/2608/flatearthmg7.jpg
[08:33] <hyper_ch> Pumpernickel: you know, there are some rumors that it isn't flat... what a rubbish... people would fall off if it was round
[08:40] <test3r> wait i thought earth was brown, not round?
[08:40] <test3r> i think you misheard.
[08:47] <honkytonkwillie> Having bootup and login problems.
[08:48] <honkytonkwillie> I don't ever get to the usual login screen and have to boot into safe graphics mode.
[08:49] <honkytonkwillie> Then I login at a terminal, reconfig xserver-xorg, then startx and I'm back into my desktop environment but not as me.
[08:49] <honkytonkwillie> Just as the root user.
[08:50] <honkytonkwillie> Any ideas how to re-establish my user?
[08:50] <honkytonkwillie> All of my user stuff is still in the /home/[username]  directory
[08:53] <honkytonkwillie> Logged in as rootuser, I go into terminal, login as [username] , and "startx"
[08:53] <honkytonkwillie> It tries to start,
[08:54] <honkytonkwillie> but aborts with the message
[08:55] <honkytonkwillie> Xauth:  error in locking authority file /hone/[username] / .Xauthority
[09:09] <Ademan> does xfce have its own desktop widget/desklet system? (doesn't have to be officially part of the project, just like gDesklets)
[09:10] <Ademan> like gDesklets is to GNOME *
[09:15] <Pumpernickel> adesklets
[09:16] <Pumpernickel> honkytonkwillie: Delete the authority file and it should solve the error.
[09:17] <Ademan> appreciate it Pumpernickel
[09:18] <Pumpernickel> np
[09:28] <hyper_ch> Pumpernickel: where can adesklets be found?
[09:29] <hyper_ch> Pumpernickel: and btw, I have encrypted a partition with dm-crypt/luks and I'm asked at bootup to enter the pwd.... how can I make that after I enter the pwd the upsplash appears again? the cool dark feisty one :)
[09:36] <Pumpernickel> !info adesklets
[09:36] <ubotu> adesklets: interactive Imlib2 console for the X Window System. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.1-2build1 (feisty), package size 204 kB, installed size 572 kB
[09:36] <Pumpernickel> It's there.
[09:38] <hyper_ch> :) great
[09:39] <Pumpernickel> As for usplash, what does it do now, after you enter the key?
[09:39] <hyper_ch> it just keeps displaying the services being started until xdm is called
[09:40] <Pumpernickel> hm
[09:41] <hyper_ch> there are quite some nice desklets :)
[09:46] <hyper_ch> Pumpernickel: how to find out the version of a currently installed library?
[09:48] <Pumpernickel> Check with the package manager, if you can.
[09:49] <hyper_ch> you want me to use the GUI???????
[09:49] <hyper_ch> *smile*
[09:49] <ephemeros> hey
[09:50] <hyper_ch> and another question: Why haven't I gotten any updates since about april 17 or april 16?
[09:50] <hyper_ch> hi ephemeros
[09:50] <ephemeros> hi hyper_ch
[09:51] <ephemeros> hyper_ch: what package manager do you use?
[09:51] <hyper_ch> ephemeros: normally aptitude through the command line interface
[09:51] <ephemeros> oh
[09:51] <hyper_ch> why?
[09:51] <ephemeros> i had the same problem, i unchecked updates in synaptic
[09:52] <ephemeros> i didn't know wtf is going on, i forgot i unchecked that for whatever reason
[09:53] <Pumpernickel> hyper_ch: usplash disappearing after entering the key is probably as a result of bug 62751
[09:53] <ubotu> Malone bug 62751 in cryptsetup "Upstart doesn't activate luks volumes (also non luks) in cryptsetup" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/62751
[09:53] <Pumpernickel> Too tired to finish tracking it down, though.
[09:54] <hyper_ch> looking at the bug... you didn't have to look it up... I thought you just may know why that is so
[09:55] <hyper_ch> in synaptic I now enabled feisty-proposed and now there are 8 updates
[09:55] <ephemeros> question: anyone had sound problems in Feisty? i didn't have problems before, but in Xubuntu 7.04 i don't have sound in GAIM, also the Beep media played doesn't sound if receiving stream, just when playing mp3-s
[09:55] <ephemeros> hyper_ch: cool
[09:55] <hyper_ch> ephemeros: sounds for me works nice... but I don't use gaim
[09:56] <ephemeros> :))
[09:56] <hyper_ch> but I'm still a bit buzzled that there were no update from Beta to stable
[09:56] <ephemeros> hyper_ch: what version do you use?
[09:57] <ephemeros> feisty beta updated?
[09:57] <hyper_ch> ephemeros: that's what I'm not sure about :)
[09:57] <hyper_ch> ephemeros: how to find out?
[09:57] <ephemeros> hyper_ch: i forgot :D
[09:58] <hyper_ch> hehehe
[09:58] <ephemeros> hyper_ch: just few dais ago it was written on the channel, i was sure i'll forget the command! :(
[09:58] <mmesko> Hi all, can you help me? I'm running non-commerical Internet Radio from Czech Republic but now i would like to migrate whole studio to linux platform. Can you give me good advices for some radio automation software for handling broadcast etc.. ?.. thx a lot
[09:59] <hyper_ch> mmesko: what do you mean by radio automation software?
[09:59] <hyper_ch> !radio
[09:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about radio - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:00] <ephemeros> !version
[10:00] <ubotu> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell
[10:00] <ephemeros> hyper_ch: ^
[10:00] <hyper_ch> hyper@xubi:/etc/apt$ lsb_release -a
[10:00] <hyper_ch> No LSB modules are available.
[10:00] <hyper_ch> Distributor ID: Ubuntu
[10:00] <hyper_ch> Description:    Ubuntu 7.04
[10:00] <hyper_ch> Release:        7.04
[10:00] <hyper_ch> Codename:       feisty
[10:00] <hyper_ch> well, is that still beta or stable?
[10:01] <hyper_ch> mmesko: you want to just stream mp3s over the net?
[10:01] <ephemeros> it was released on 19, i don't know about your installation
[10:01] <hyper_ch> ephemeros: well, I had herd 5 then when it was declared beta there were updates
[10:01] <hyper_ch> but since april 17 I didn't get any updates... so I'm not sure if it's still beta or stable now
[10:02] <highvoltage> hyper_ch: I think there should've been updates since then
[10:02] <highvoltage> hyper_ch: do you know which mirror you are using?
[10:02] <ephemeros> hyper_ch: the official download DCs are the final version
[10:02] <highvoltage> perhaps it hasn't updated recently for some reason.
[10:02] <hyper_ch> highvoltage: yes I know :)
[10:02] <hyper_ch> Swiss SWITCH (backbone provider for Switzerland)
[10:02] <ephemeros> lol
[10:02] <hyper_ch> and TLD provider for .ch and .li domains :)
[10:03] <highvoltage> hyper_ch: perhaps you should just see what happens when using archive.ubuntu.com, and then write a friendly email to switch letting them know that their mirror is not updating
[10:04] <mmesko> hyper_ch: radio automation software i mean smth like that: http://www.8bc.com/index_en.htm it's good system under windows. i'm searching smth similiar..
[10:04] <mmesko> hyper_ch: this software select music to play .. you can manage daily play-lists and set-up criteria to serve good spectrum of music
[10:05] <hyper_ch> mmesko: the only thing that comes to my mind is icecast....
[10:06] <honkytonkwillie> Whomever told me to delete the .Xauthority file about an hour ago,
[10:06] <honkytonkwillie> thanks a bunch.  It worked.
[10:06] <ephemeros> how can i found the sound system health info?
[10:07] <hyper_ch> ephemeros: you don't get any sound at all?
[10:07] <ephemeros> yes, i have on playing mp3's
[10:07] <hyper_ch> ephemeros: tried vlc? ^^
[10:07] <ephemeros> but not in gaim (i don't know what it uses to play), and when listening to streams from Beep Media Player
[10:08] <ephemeros> hyper_ch: i used it, but didn't install since i installed Feisty
[10:08] <ephemeros> anyway, if gaim is mute, there is a problem
[10:09] <hyper_ch> mmesko: You can try IceCase in windows http://downloads.xiph.org/releases/icecast/icecast2_win32_v2.3.1_setup.exe
[10:11] <ephemeros> !sound
[10:11] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[10:11] <ephemeros> cool! thanx, ubotu
[10:15] <hyper_ch> hmmm, Seveas hasn't setup a feisty repository yet, right?
[10:16] <Seveas> hyper_ch, I have :)
[10:16] <Seveas> since yesterday
[10:16] <hyper_ch> you have? ok :) so I jus change edgy to feisty?
[10:16] <Seveas> still ironing out some wrinkles though
[10:16] <hyper_ch> so I better leave it then to edgy ^^
[10:19] <hyper_ch> libdvdcss2 updated in the new feisty repo :)
[10:19] <hyper_ch> so, if I could solve that amarok problem then I'm settled :)
[11:36] <roy913> Dear All, I have installed the totem player on 6.10 but when i try to play dvd then:
[11:37] <roy913> it said: totem cannot play this type of media (DVD) because you do not have the appropriate plugins to hand it
[11:37] <TheSheep> !codecs
[11:37] <roy913> handle it
[11:37] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:37] <stefg> roy913: you need libdvdcss... which isn't legal in mst countries
[11:37] <roy913> thanks!!!!!
[11:37] <roy913> thank you!!
[11:37] <stefg> !DVD
[11:37] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[11:50] <sponix> any plans of a xubuntu-server release ?
[11:52] <hyper_ch> sponix: what you need a xubuntu-server for?
[11:53] <sponix> hyper_ch:  is the normal solution to just install ubuntu-server, and then apt-get install xubuntu-desktop ?   :)
[11:53] <hyper_ch> if you want the desktop install the xubuntu-destkop from the desktop or alternate cd and then isntall the server services
[11:54] <sponix> yeah... good point
[11:55] <sponix> have most of the repos already started supporting feisty ?
[11:55] <hyper_ch> the only thing I can think of to first isntall the server is to have a pure ubuntu and then add Xfce from the Xfce repos
[11:55] <hyper_ch> sponix: define "most"
[11:57] <sponix> skype, ekiga, ntfs-3g, vlc, medibuntu etc
[12:00] <hyper_ch> is there an ubuntu specific skype package?
[12:03] <hyper_ch> well, those packages that are in the official repos are available on feisty...
[12:04] <hyper_ch> and for the rest, that you have to know yourself
[12:09] <sponix> thanks
[12:14] <stefg> can someone give me a number on how big is a default xubuntu-install? I had xubuntu 6.10 and that took approx 1.3 Gigs, i upgraded now it's nearly 2 Gigs. Bloat or mistake?
[12:20] <TheSheep> stefg: run 'sudo apt-get clean'
[12:20] <TheSheep> stefg: that will remove the downloaded and already installed packages from cache
[12:21] <stefg> TheSheep: ty, that was /without/ /var/apt/cache ... that's on a different partition
[12:21] <stefg> I'm just interested if something went wrong or if xubuntu went that large
[12:22] <TheSheep> stefg: mu install is 4G, so I can't help you :)
[12:22] <TheSheep> my
[12:30] <hyper_ch> my install is 6.2 GB :)
[12:30] <hyper_ch> making now a clean
[12:31] <hyper_ch> now it's 3.6 gb :)
[12:33] <stefg> If you have an old laptop with a 4 GB hd, that make quite a difference :_)
[12:34] <hyper_ch> then you should maybe use fluxbunt
[12:34] <hyper_ch> or DSL
[12:34] <hyper_ch> but then best ist do do a clean install
[12:34] <hyper_ch> using server and install the packages you need
[12:35] <stefg> That's what i was considering. But want to know if it's worth the effort before
[12:37] <grazie> stefg: I've done some testing one this issue with following approx results
[12:37] <hyper_ch> the "worthiness" of something is a subjective element and cannot be objectivel defined
[12:38] <grazie> stefg: I clean feisty install take about 1.6G
[12:38] <stefg> ah... a figure... thanks.
[12:38] <grazie> stefg: An upgrade from clean edgy to feisty will about 400/500mb more even after cleaning up!
[12:39] <stefg> grazie, that's what i was suspecting
[12:43] <stefg> suggestion for a good ppp-dialup frontend for xfce? need to get modem working and don't feel like editing wvdial.conf every time in a different place...
[12:46] <stefg> gnome-ppp does it
[02:10] <superhubert> hey
[02:11] <superhubert> I'm trying to set up my wireless card in my iBook G4. anyone know what to do?
[02:13] <infbliss> hi can somebody tell me what is the command line for hibernate
[03:22] <_MMA_> Hi all. Do I have to stop XFCE from managing the desktop for it to stop showing volumes on the desktop?
[03:24] <predaeus> _MMA_, Applications/Settings/Desktop settings/behaviour/desktop icons
[03:26] <_MMA_> predaeus: Killer. Thanx. I missed it somehow.
[03:27] <predaeus> :-)
[03:27] <eifzon> can you use beryl on all dists?
[03:30] <eifzon> why cant i press alt+1 in terminal when i am using irssi?
[03:35] <h3sp4wn> eifzon: xterm ?
[03:35] <eifzon> h3sp4wn: think its xfce4's own Terminal
[03:35] <eifzon> I just installed it so
[03:36] <h3sp4wn> XTerm*metaSendsEscape: true (in .Xresources for xterm) don't know about xfce's terminal
[03:36] <h3sp4wn> there might be something in the options to make it act similar
[03:36] <eifzon> okok
[03:40] <ochosi> anyone here who has feisty running with an ati-card?
[03:40] <eifzon> ati = Anti linux card
[03:40] <ochosi> well, that doesn't help much, but i guess youre right
[03:40] <h3sp4wn> except <=9250 which work better than any nvidia card I have tried
[03:40] <eifzon> ok
[03:41] <ochosi> anyways, anyone an idea how to get gdm to run with x1400?
[03:41] <ochosi> actually: i read few posts about it on the ubuntuforums.org, but it seems i can't install the fglrx-package
[03:41] <ochosi> which is why i can't follow any guides
[03:42] <ceil420> lol eifzon
[03:42] <eifzon> what ceil420 ? :P
[03:42] <ceil420> poor ati :p
[03:42] <eifzon> i got geforce..
[03:42] <eifzon> but it doesent work for me ;)
[03:42] <eifzon> lalalaa,
[03:43] <ceil420> i got a geforce too, but i've had a coupla issues with it :x
[03:43] <eifzon> ok.
[03:43] <ceil420> (like not bein' able to run UT)
[03:43] <eifzon> when i am trying to install my graphic card driver, either my screen is being black
[03:43] <ochosi> so any of you got an idea why apt-get doesn't find the package "xorg-drivers-fglrx"?
[03:43] <eifzon> i got a (XFX GeForce 7900 GT 470 M)
[03:43] <ochosi> it gives me some error message, that this package is being referred to by another package, but it cant find it
[03:44] <h3sp4wn> !info xorg-driver-fglrx
[03:44] <ubotu> xorg-driver-fglrx: Video driver for ATI graphics accelerators. In component restricted, is optional. Version 7.1.0-8.34.8+2.6.20.5-15.20 (feisty), package size 5998 kB, installed size 17224 kB
[03:44] <ceil420> mine's not so new, but it should still be able to handle an 8 year old game :x (FX 5200)
[03:45] <ochosi> (usually i would assume that something is missing in the sources.list, but i have everything uncommented that's there)
[03:45] <ceil420> i have three apt-cache search results for xorg-driver-fglrx
[03:45] <ochosi> hmm, my apt-cache couldn't dinf it
[03:46] <ceil420> note that "driver" is singular
[03:46] <ochosi> yeah, was a typo before
[03:46] <h3sp4wn> aptitude search xorg~nfglrx
[03:47] <ochosi> strange, i get a result from aptitude
[03:48] <ochosi> but when i try to install it says no candidate version found
[03:48] <ceil420> o_O
[03:48] <ochosi> (have i mentioned that not even vesa works?)
[03:51] <ochosi> can anyone help me with this guide? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=399913
[03:51] <ochosi> i don't really understand how that's supposed to work: Uncomment all the deb and deb-src linescomment out the CD lines.
[04:01] <hyper_ch> ufff... finally dne
[04:03] <grazie> ochosi: know idea if that guide works, but uncomment means removing the # from the start of the line
[04:03] <grazie> ochosi: comment out means adding # to the start of the line
[04:03] <Jester45> i just got fiesty but now my screen is off centered and the screen's auto adjust doesnt fix how to do fix it
[04:16] <ber1> please help. i'm trying to install xubuntu alongside my ubuntu and when i choose the option of "guided partition" it says "The test of the file system with type ext3 in partition #1 of IDE1 master (hda) found uncorrected errors.
[04:16] <ber1> If you do not go back to the partitioning menu and correct these errors, the partition will be used as is." so then i try to continue and it says "An error occurred while writing the changes to the storage devices. The resize operation is aborted." then it brings me to a "Prepare Partitions" screen but i don't seem to be able to do anything on it. help?
[04:19] <ber1> i'm kind of stuck here. anybody got any ideas?
[04:19] <predaeus> you could ask in #ubuntu as this problem is not specific to xubuntu I would guess and there is more traffic there
[04:21] <grazie> ber1: you have tried booting in recovery mode and fixing the problem?
[04:21] <grazie> have you* ^^
[04:21] <ber1> no sir. are you referring to safe mode on the xubuntu live cd?
[04:21] <ber1> or on ubuntu
[04:22] <grazie> ber1: I thought you had ubuntu already installed?
[04:22] <ber1> i do
[04:23] <grazie> ber1: then boot in recovery mode to fix the problem. use fsck on the partition that's giving errors. make sure the partition is unmounted first
[04:40] <Maximilian1st> Hi, how can I ask "ps -ae | grep wp" and add more search criterias like Ne and nm?
[04:41] <hyper_ch> Maximilian1st: what are thos criterias? What are you trying to do?
[04:43] <Maximilian1st> Hi Switzerland :-)
[04:43] <Maximilian1st> sorry, was away for a sec.
[04:43] <hyper_ch> hiho :)
[04:43] <hyper_ch> I have my ajax tree thingy finished now :)
[04:43] <Maximilian1st> I am just trying to look for the ps id numbers of NetworkManager
[04:43] <Maximilian1st> Congratulations, I saw you had a website with genealogy or something the like?
[04:44] <hyper_ch> wouldn't htop in a hierarchical view do that?
[04:44] <Maximilian1st>  I am just trying to look for the ps id numbers of NetworkManager, nm-applet and wpa-supplicant
[04:44] <Maximilian1st> That sounds good.
[04:44] <hyper_ch> Maximilian1st: well, sort of... I'm in a fraternity here and as new member you take an older one as mentor and that way some kind of "families" are created
[04:44] <hyper_ch> and so far we noted that all in Excel
[04:45] <Maximilian1st> I see.
[04:45] <Maximilian1st> You are also the one responsible for the ubuntu stickers in switzerland aren't you?
[04:45] <Maximilian1st> Just a deduction, the address for switzerland was in St-Gallen
[04:46] <Maximilian1st> And you are there... no?!
[04:46] <Maximilian1st> or Chur? Not sure anymore.
[04:47] <Maximilian1st> for the ps thing. I am trying to kill nm-applet and NetworkManager and wpa-supplicant and reload wpa-sup with the dbus option turned on so I can give airconfig a try.
[04:48] <Maximilian1st> hyper_ch, Did you know about airconfig? It looks promising. I try to advertise it a bit here because it frees xubuntu from using NM for the wireless connection
[04:51] <kma> hmm
[04:51] <ephemeros> question: if i have a problem with a software installed from universe repo, where should i report the bugs?
[04:53] <eifzon> Anyone here that got "Avant Window Navigator" on 7.04 fiesty (xfce4)?
[04:55] <Maximilian1st> !vmware-player
[04:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vmware-player - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:55] <hyper_ch> hmmm
[04:55] <hyper_ch> back again
[04:55] <hyper_ch> Maximilian1st: did you try htop now?
[04:56] <Maximilian1st> no
[04:56] <Maximilian1st> wait
[04:56] <hyper_ch> what about vmware?
[04:56] <Maximilian1st> the installation of it is broken
[04:56] <Maximilian1st> I tried severeal times before and it never really worked
[04:57] <Maximilian1st> Now I tried with my newly installed 2.6.20-15 kernel but it crashes the same way as before
[04:57] <hyper_ch> Sysinfo for 'xubi': Linux 2.6.20-15-generic running Xfce 4.4.0, CPU: AMDSempron2400+ at 1683 MHz (3371 bogomips), HD: 310/897GB, RAM: 988/1010MB, 150 proc's, 8.21h up
[04:57] <hyper_ch> what error do you get?
[04:57] <hyper_ch> vmware is broken for you or htop?
[04:58] <Maximilian1st> I install it, it triggers the modules automatically, tries to configure it, there is some vmnet8 that says failed and in the end it says sorry
[04:58] <Maximilian1st> vmware
[04:58] <hyper_ch> Maximilian1st: wanna try vmware server?
[04:58] <Maximilian1st> htop won't install now because vmware-player is broken
[04:58] <hyper_ch> can you isntall anything?
[04:58] <Maximilian1st> it says to try to apt-get -f install before going any further.
[04:59] <hyper_ch> did you try?
[04:59] <Maximilian1st> well I can't install htop.
[04:59] <ephemeros> !bugs
[04:59] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[04:59] <Maximilian1st> Les paquets supplmentaires suivants seront installs:
[04:59] <Maximilian1st>   vmware-player-kernel-modules vmware-player-kernel-modules-2.6.20-15
[05:00] <Maximilian1st> It wants to install the packages again, but I know it will fail, it always did.
[05:00] <hyper_ch> don't use the player :)
[05:00] <hyper_ch> remove those :)
[05:00] <Maximilian1st> hyper_ch, really?
[05:01] <Maximilian1st> I just want to use my xp image.
[05:01] <hyper_ch> why use the player if you can install the server
[05:01] <Maximilian1st> I have an XP image I created with qemu and it works.
[05:01] <hyper_ch> which allows you to create and modifiy the machines
[05:01] <Maximilian1st> Ah.
[05:01] <Maximilian1st> But why is the player broken in feisty.
[05:01] <hyper_ch> never tried the player :)
[05:01] <Maximilian1st> I understand.
[05:02] <Maximilian1st> Still some people, like me, will try to install it and will come into trouble by doing so.
[05:02] <hyper_ch> well, can you remove those packages?
[05:02] <Maximilian1st> Because once you run into this problem, you can't uninstall it easily.
[05:03] <Maximilian1st> no you can't.
[05:03] <Maximilian1st> that's the big deal here.
[05:03] <Maximilian1st> I have to dig in google to find some howto that explains how you need to uninstall that.
[05:03] <Pumpernickel> You can always remove packages.  `dpkg -r`
[05:06] <Maximilian1st> Pumpernickel, even that won't remove the package.
[05:11] <Pumpernickel> Then add --force-remove-reinstreq
[05:17] <Maximilian1st> Pumpernickel, even that does not work.
[05:17] <Pumpernickel> Error message?
[05:17] <Maximilian1st> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17070/
[05:19] <Pumpernickel> Wow, VMware really is badly packaged.
[05:23] <Maximilian1st> Pumpernickel, probably not much folks using it. Yet someone just told he could install it without a problem using feisty.
[05:24] <Maximilian1st> Pumpernickel, I will try plugging in the cable for the wired connection.
[05:26] <Pumpernickel> I was about to suggest slightly more drastic measures; killing all running vmware processes and rm'ing all startup scripts.
[05:26] <Pumpernickel> If the cable works, though - rock on.
[05:33] <Maximilian1st_> Pumpernickel, After a reboot the package can be removed, though I think it is due to the fact that I now have the wired ethernet up.
[05:33] <Pumpernickel> Ah, good.
[05:34] <Maximilian1st_> Pumpernickel, Now I will try re-installing it with the wired ethernet plugged in and see if that solves the problem here.
[05:42] <Maximilian1st_> Pumpernickel, hyper_ch I'm done with it. It does not work to install the player. I will now follow hyper_ch's advice and install the server package.
[05:50] <kma> hmm.. a lightweight acdsee?
[05:54] <Maximilian1st> Pumpernickel, is there a way to compare ubuntu packages? Because the 2.6.20-13 packages for vmware-player used to work. I installed this kernel to test it but it did not work with my SDcard device and now this kernel 2.6.20-15 works with my SDcard device but not with vmware-player.
[05:54] <Maximilian1st> I would like to compare the packages and see what has changed in between... If it has.
[05:55] <Maximilian1st> I think I will install vmware-player manually, compiling it against the current kernel and see if that works.
[06:11] <eifzon> why cant i use alt+f1 in xterm ?
[06:22] <Maximilian1st> Pumpernickel, I have installed vmware-player from source package, by using the vmware-any-any patch found on http://ftp.cvut.cz/vmware/
[06:22] <Maximilian1st> vmplayer works now. :-)
[06:45] <PiTcReW> hey guys
[06:45] <PiTcReW> how do i make an executable to launch azureus?
[06:45] <PiTcReW> i have a .desktop file to do it
[06:46] <PiTcReW> but i want to add an executable to my xfce menu
[06:46] <h3sp4wn> alt + f2 - type azureus
[06:46] <PiTcReW> nopee
[06:47] <PiTcReW> doesnt work
[06:48] <PiTcReW> this is what the .desktop looks like
[06:48] <PiTcReW> [Desktop Entry] 
[06:48] <PiTcReW> Version=1.0
[06:48] <PiTcReW> Encoding=UTF-8
[06:48] <PiTcReW> Type=Application
[06:48] <PiTcReW> Name=Azureus
[06:48] <PiTcReW> Comment=
[06:48] <PiTcReW> Categories=Application;
[06:48] <PiTcReW> Exec=./azureus
[06:48] <PiTcReW> Icon=
[06:48] <PiTcReW> Terminal=true
[06:48] <PiTcReW> StartupNotify=false
[06:48] <PiTcReW> GenericName=
[06:49] <ryan_> how do you reconfigure xorg
[06:49] <h3sp4wn> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:49] <h3sp4wn> +sudo
[06:49] <Naughtyboy> guys...anyone here using mplayer or gmplayer..?
[06:50] <ryan_> Naughtyboy: im using mplayer
[06:50] <ryan_> why
[06:50] <h3sp4wn> I am using mplayer also
[06:51] <Naughtyboy> ryan_, : very good...when you are using it...are using the contrast/brightness thru the player or system wide..?
[06:51] <Naughtyboy> h3sp4wn, : question goes for u to,,,
[06:51] <ryan_> i just use mplayer <file>
[06:51] <ryan_> im not using gmplayer
[06:52] <ryan_> so im guesssing system wide setting
[06:52] <Naughtyboy> yeah..OK...but still....do you sett contrast/brightness...or just use it as is..?!?!
[06:52] <Naughtyboy> ok
[06:52] <h3sp4wn> I just use it as is
[06:52] <Naughtyboy> hmm....OK
[06:52] <h3sp4wn> (but I am not using a tv-out so its not necessary for me to change it)
[06:53] <Naughtyboy> I can't get it to save my settings so it uses it all the time...every time I play a new file...the settings are default..
[06:54] <Naughtyboy> h3sp4wn, : me neither...but the settings I use for my desktop is to dark for watching my movies...at least for my taste..
[06:54] <h3sp4wn> there is ~/mplayer/config
[06:54] <Naughtyboy> I VLC for example...I can set contrast/brightness e.t.c manually and save it so it use it all the time
[06:54] <whitelamp> yo will i have any problems if i upgrade from xubuntu 6.06 to 6.10?
[06:55] <Naughtyboy> h3sp4wn, : yeah I've looked there to...but I can't find anythiong related to my settings....nu brightness
[06:55] <h3sp4wn> whitelamp: If you are going to upgrade I would go - 6.06 -> 6.10 -> 7.04
[06:56] <whitelamp> well will there be any problems if i do?
[07:00] <ryan_> whitelamp, there was problems upgrading from 6.06 to 6.10 im not sure if they fixed it i would try 6.06 -> 7/04
[07:01] <ryan_> and back up configuration files just incase it messes up
[07:01] <TheSheep> upgrading two versions in one step is not supported at all
[07:04] <h3sp4wn> I think if I had to do it I would install enough to get 7.04's aptitude installed then perform the rest of the upgrade with that
[07:04] <h3sp4wn> but do it in one step
[07:07] <odat> hi everyone
[07:07] <odat> how do i make myplayer my default movie player?
[07:09] <grazie> TheSheep: glad you state that upgrading, as a lot of poeple seem think it is with the new update manager
[07:09] <grazie> stated*
[07:12] <odat> how do i make mplayer my default movie player
[07:13] <Howdy125> Kind of weird .. I uninstalled openoffice and it removed thunderbird also .. :-/
[07:14] <slow-motion> hallo
[07:14] <odat> howdy what wrong
[07:14] <Merchelo> odat: did you try through thunar?
[07:14] <odat> Merchelo, no i didn't
[07:15] <grazie> odat: a few different ways...easiest is probably is to right click on on the movie (in thunar) and select "open with", Xfce remembers
[07:16] <TheSheep> odat: or select properties and change it there
[07:16] <odat> grazie, i am trying to set it up so when i download a movie with firefox it pops up asking if i want to open it with mplayer
[07:17] <odat> Howdy125, whats you problem?
[07:17] <TheSheep> odat: ah, that's in the firefox configuration
[07:17] <odat> TheSheep, where at?
[07:18] <TheSheep> odat: content -> file types
[07:18] <grazie> odat: TheSheep beet me
[07:18] <Howdy125> odat, don't have one .. just thought it was weird that removing openoffice would also remove thinderbird .. was easy to reinstall thunderbird.
[07:18] <hyper_ch> hiho
[07:19] <TheSheep> Howdy125: maybe it was installed as dependecy when you installe OO in the first place?
[07:19] <Howdy125> TheSheep, could have been ..
[07:19] <TheSheep> Howdy125: or when uninstalling OO you removed one thing too much :)
[07:19] <Howdy125> ;)
[07:19] <ryan_> when ever i try to use fglrx as a driver xserver will not start but it works with the "ati" driver anyone    know why
[07:20] <h3sp4wn> on what card
[07:21] <odat> TheSheep, nope its not in there
[07:21] <TheSheep> odat: just add it
[07:21] <TheSheep> odat: the default file types are not displayed, but you can override them
[07:21] <ryan_> its a radeon 9250
[07:22] <h3sp4wn> use the free drivers work perfectly
[07:22] <odat> TheSheep, you can't just add anything
[07:23] <ryan_> it worked before but i uninstalled linux on the harddrive
[07:23] <ryan_> and now i dont know how to get it back
[07:23] <h3sp4wn> You really don't want fglrx on a 9250
[07:23] <ryan_> h3sp4wn: how im i gonna play games without a good driver
[07:23] <h3sp4wn> its not supported by ati anymore
[07:23] <h3sp4wn> its a perfect driver
[07:23] <h3sp4wn> (well for what I care about anyway)
[07:24] <ryan_> but it doesnt let me havee 3d stuff does it
[07:24] <h3sp4wn> It does
[07:24] <Merchelo> ryan_: feisty ?
[07:24] <ryan_> yes
[07:24] <h3sp4wn> RV280       Radeon 9200PRO/9200/9200SE, M9+
[07:25] <h3sp4wn> (from man 4 radeon)
[07:25] <ryan_> i have a 9250
[07:26] <TheSheep> odat: you are right
[07:26] <TheSheep> how weird
[07:27] <h3sp4wn> ryan_: which is RV280
[07:27] <ryan_> so it gives me full support
[07:27] <ryan_> just as the ati driver would
[07:28] <h3sp4wn> yes - tv out is a little more hassle to setup
[07:28] <h3sp4wn> other than that its fine
[07:28] <TheSheep> odat: found it
[07:28] <TheSheep> odat: in the location bar, enter "about:config"
[07:28] <TheSheep> odat: in the box below type 'plugin'
[07:28] <TheSheep> odat: you should see a number of options about plugins
[07:29] <ryan_> huuumm i was hoping for tv out
[07:29] <TheSheep> odat: enable the plugin.override_internal_types
[07:29] <TheSheep> odat: then go to that dialog in preferences again
[07:32] <ryan_> brb agin
[07:40] <BFTD> hey all
[07:42] <hyper_ch> hiho BFTD
[07:43] <BFTD> does anyone know of a MP3 player that is known to work well with Linux other then iPods?
[07:44] <hyper_ch> amarok
[07:44] <hyper_ch> sorr
[07:44] <hyper_ch> sorry
[07:44] <hyper_ch> you mean hardware... hmm
[07:44] <hyper_ch> nope :)
[07:44] <hyper_ch> !mp3player
[07:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mp3player - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:45] <TheSheep> BFTD: any one that can be used as usb disk will work
[07:45] <BFTD> ah great
[07:45] <TheSheep> BFTD: pick one that can play .ogg
[07:45] <hyper_ch> rockbox on ipod can play .ogg :)
[07:47] <hyper_ch> is the auto-compiz thingy in feisty only available in ubuntu?
[07:50] <BFTD> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16855199001 ----- this one or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16855613003   this one
[07:51] <BFTD> which do you like better?
[07:52] <Harpette> Does anyone know the MD5sums for the xubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso ?
[07:53] <BFTD> Harpette it should be on the download site
[07:54] <Harpette> BFTD: i'm asking here because i failed to find it
[07:54] <BFTD> oh ok
[07:54] <BFTD> I'll look for it then
[07:54] <BFTD> !checksum
[07:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about checksum - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:54] <hyper_ch> BFTD: 512mb isn't that much
[07:55] <BFTD> hyper_ch I hada shuffle for the longest time, only filled it half way up
[07:55] <Merchelo> second one looks nicer.
[07:56] <hyper_ch> BFTD: :)
[07:58] <BFTD> Harpette https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM
[07:59] <peteface> hello all
[07:59] <BFTD> hello
[07:59] <peteface> im havin an issue with somethin who wants to help lol?
[08:00] <Harpette> BFTD: very nice, but the xubuntu hashes are missing
[08:00] <peteface> nobody :(
[08:00] <Harpette> peteface: do not ask to ask, just ask
[08:00] <peteface> lol that works
[08:00] <BFTD> oops
[08:00] <BFTD> thats ubuntu
[08:01] <peteface> ok long story short i have to hard drives and on one hard drive i have 2 os's installed (windows xp and ubuntu) how can i listein to my music and look at my pictures from the second hard drve using ubuntu
[08:01] <peteface> 2*
[08:02] <TheSheep> !mount
[08:02] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[08:02] <TheSheep> !fstab
[08:02] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[08:02] <Morpheus_74> Hello.  Is there anyone who can help me with a display issue I'm having?
[08:02] <TheSheep> !ask | Morpheus_74
[08:02] <ubotu> Morpheus_74: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[08:03] <Morpheus_74> I just did a fresh install of Xubuntu 7.04, and I cannot get the display for tty1,2,3... right.
[08:04] <TheSheep> Morpheus_74: your graphics card?
[08:04] <Harpette> peteface: you need to mount the Windows partition when running Linux so that you be able to access your files there
[08:05] <Morpheus_74> TheSheep: I'm not sure.  After playing with the xorg file, I was able to get X to display at 1024 X 769 @ 85HZ (crt monitor), but ttys display a HUGE font.
[08:05] <h3sp4wn> 769 not 768?
[08:05] <TheSheep> Morpheus_74: that's normal, they are 80x25 by default
[08:07] <Morpheus_74> TheSheep: But the font size is so large that I cannot see what I'm typing because if flows off the screen.  Also, the login screen for X is smaller than 1024 X 768, and after entering my user name and password, the screen goes blank, then displays XFCE in 1024 X 768.
[08:07] <h3sp4wn> I use a framebuffer console but there is another way (svgatextmode)
[08:08] <TheSheep> h3sp4wn: I never got svgatextmode to work in ubuntu :/
[08:08] <Morpheus_74> TheSheep: Although the display settings inside of X say it's refresh rate is 85Hz, I'm not sure that's the case because it's still tough on my eyes.
[08:09] <Jester45> ok im using the ati driver and its fine and i got beryl working in just a few mins
[08:09] <Morpheus_74> My card is a AGP VGA Intel740.
[08:11] <h3sp4wn> TheSheep: Interesting I might have a go (just vga=794 is fine for me though) - 792 I think for 1024x768
[08:11] <Harpette> Morpheus_74: you can also try ##linux or #linpeople here
[08:12] <Morpheus_74> Thanks all.
[08:12] <Harpette> Morpheus_74: basically your pbm is the huge fonts in the ttys
[08:12] <Morpheus_74> Harpette: Yes.
[08:14] <Harpette> does xubuntu use the sams kernel as ubuntu ?
[08:14] <Harpette> same
[08:14] <Jester45> yes
[08:14] <Harpette> OK, so, no framebuffer by default, right?
[08:15] <Jester45> idk
[08:15] <Morpheus_74> Harpette: I'm not sure, how can I tell?
[08:15] <Jester45> most of the "core" system things are the same for  (X,K,Ed)ubuntu
[08:18] <Harpette> Morpheus_74: do a dmesg | grep "Kernel command" in a terminal window
[08:19] <Morpheus_74> Harpette: The result is "Kernel command line:........"
[08:19] <Harpette> Morpheus_74: what's it say after the colon, where you say "......."
[08:20] <Morpheus_74> Harpette: root=UUID=340e1985-9f94-46f3-be79-5cf496d673a3 ro quiet splash
[08:20] <Harpette> Morpheus_74: OK it looks like you're not activating a framebuffer
[08:21] <Harpette> ...so that's out of the way
[08:21] <Morpheus_74> Harpette: Do I want to activate framebuffer?
[08:21] <godless> Uhh.
[08:22] <Morpheus_74> brb
[08:23] <godless> So I upgraded my desktop box to feisty. Everything appeared to go smoothly. However rhythmbox was randomly crashing. So I thought I would launch it in a terminal and see what was what. Turns out, whenever I launch a terminal window  (or try to, anyway) my screen goes glitchy for a second and I get knocked back out to the login screen. Any thoughts?
[08:26] <Morpheus_74> I'm back, had to adjust my refresh rate, my eyes were starting to hur
[08:27] <Harpette> Morpheus_74: remember to try ##linux and #linpeople. Good luck
[08:27] <godless> Strangely, tilda works. But if I launch 'Terminal' from tilda-- zaaap, back to the login.
[08:34] <Delco2> hi
[08:35] <Delco2> Q?: can xubuntu be run in RAM? without install. I have 256K of RAM.
[08:35] <Merchelo> in ram ? only 256kb of ram ?
[08:35] <Morpheus_74> Delco2: Do you mean can you Xubuntu as a live CD (without installing it to your hard drive)?
[08:36] <Delco2> 256K of ram. yes Morpheus_74 as a live CD
[08:36] <Merchelo> !ram
[08:36] <ubotu> A quick FAQ on Memory Management: http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management For Lubos Lunak's desktop memory usage comparison, see: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/desktop_benchmark.html
[08:38] <Delco2> Marpheus, this is possible. yes. (appologise for the dumb Q. newb here)
[08:38] <Morpheus_74> Delco2: I ran the Xubuntu 7.04 live Cd on my pc with 425mb of ram.
[08:38] <Morpheus_74> Delco2: I think you can give it a shot.
[08:38] <Delco2> k
[08:39] <Delco2> Morpheus, thanks.
[08:39] <Delco2> it always freezes at 'loading essential drivers' for me
[08:41] <Delco2> know any command line switches to load all in ram; no swap and noMDA?
[08:48] <milki> My OpenOffice installation doesn't display ANY menu or toolbar icons when started under XFCE; works fine under Gnome however. Is there a difference between the version on the Xubuntu CD and the vanilla Ubuntu package? (7.04)
[08:52] <TheSheep> milki: try installing openoffice-gtk
[08:54] <milki> Had been installed per default I think. I already tried removing the -gtk and the -gnome package, but that did only slightly change the appearance, not the icon displaying.
[08:54] <Howdy125> Also when you open oo select .. file .. new .. writer or what ever and you'll get what you'd expect to see milki  .. If I understand your problem that is ..
[08:57] <TheSheep> milki: change the icon theme in the settings?
[08:57] <test3r> I awoke this morning & had a moment of clarity- literally. i decided i should hook up my NEC MultiSync75 to my linux box instead of my POS Presario monitor & I was very correct. Now- I wish I had a way of probing my monitor to learn it's refresh rates. Is there any easy way to see what my monitor is capable of beFORE changing my xorg.conf ???
[08:58] <test3r> should i just try the display tool built into xubuntu?
[08:58] <TheSheep> test3r: X will probe it automatically if there is no refresh rates set in xorg.conf
[08:58] <TheSheep> test3r: using dde
[08:58] <TheSheep> ddc
[08:58] <TheSheep> sorry
[08:59] <test3r> there must be something set than because on the NEC monitor the menu tells me the Horiz & Vert ref rates its being sent
[08:59] <test3r> and they are still very low- like it probed the Presario mon to set those specs
[08:59] <test3r> 48 horiz 60 vert it says
[08:59] <test3r> thats horrid
[08:59] <test3r> =(
[09:00] <Howdy125> milki, I think this is what you're talking about .. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1631295
[09:00] <Howdy125> I didn't try any of those fixes though ..
[09:01] <test3r> wait a sec- so Sheep if i just delete them entirely, you say, im better off? ill just try a # on the lines to comment. lemme find the spot-
[09:01] <test3r> they are both in the section "monitor"
[09:02] <test3r> ok yeah, so can i safely comment those lines out then?
[09:06] <test3r> lol, ok here goes nuthin. ctrlaltbakspace
[09:08] <shawn34> can't find the md5sums on ubuntu site? anyone know where they are?
[09:10] <grazie> shawn34: they should be on the http and ftp servers download pages
[09:10] <shawn34> grazie, i just found them with google lol, thanks though
[09:14] <test3r> that sucked, Sheep. now i lost my higher resolution, and in the Display dialog, only the old modes are listed. in my monitor section, there is an "Option    DPMS" - is that normal? or should i comment that out too? or should i dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[09:14] <test3r> lol.
[09:15] <test3r> i almost did it from tty1, but then thought id better ask 1st.
[09:16] <h3sp4wn> DPMS is powersaving afaik you don't have to have it
[09:17] <test3r> oh OK, ty h3sp4wn
[09:17] <h3sp4wn> It definately doesn't hurt to have it though
[09:17] <test3r> yeah ill jus leave that
[09:17] <test3r> im thinkin letting xorg solve the monitor thing tho is good
[09:18] <test3r> ill just b sure to bakup my xorg.conf....    Again....    =)
[09:19] <test3r> hopefully when i return ill b in glorious 1024x768@24b@75hrz
[09:19] <h3sp4wn> test3r: did you use a modeline or ?
[09:20] <hyper_ch> hiho, i can't use the shift keys anymore...
[09:21] <hyper_ch> I had to turn off the xconfiguration and now it works again...
[09:22] <hyper_ch> now something is definitively wrong with my computer
[09:32] <Cable86> what do i need to do on my xubuntu box in order to use krdc from my kubuntu box?
[09:33] <h3sp4wn> krdc is like rdesktop right ? its usually used to connect to windows terminal services
[09:33] <Cable86> hm
[09:33] <Cable86> it can do vnc connections too
[09:33] <h3sp4wn> for unix to unix I would use free-nx
[09:33] <Cable86> gotcha
[09:34] <h3sp4wn> !freenx
[09:34] <ubotu> FreeNX is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[09:34] <Cable86> nice, didnt know you could do that...thanks
[09:35] <h3sp4wn> I have set it up before (but haven't used it recently - just ssh is fine for what I need)#
[09:35] <Cable86> im assuming the directions there will work for feisty as well?
[09:40] <h3sp4wn> Not sure
[09:41] <test3r> ok whelp it appears my gForce2 is still limiting my refresh, but the xserver-xorg reconfigure went well, then I simply added the ONE patch that is on the BinaryDriverHowTo page, now, and I have direct rendering to the driver that was previously in place. It all went very smooth & I'm surprised honestly.
[09:41] <test3r> so now i got my 1024x768, but at a medium refresh but still better than it was
[09:41] <h3sp4wn> test3r: You can edit the lines
[09:42] <h3sp4wn> Modes           "1280x1024_60" "1024x768_60" "800x600_60" "640x480_60" (that is what I use to hardcode 60)
[09:42] <test3r> see I told it to do 75hrz though in the x reconfigure.
[09:42] <test3r> yes and it appears my gForce2 can only push 60
[09:42] <test3r> 48,60
[09:43] <h3sp4wn> You can make a modeline also
[09:43] <h3sp4wn> are you using a crt right ?
[09:43] <test3r> its fine it looks alot better now than my junky Presario monitor from 1990
[09:43] <test3r> yes a MultiSync75
[09:44] <h3sp4wn> the nvidia driver respects 1280x1024_75 etc
[09:44] <test3r> i think that ones gettin sold   =/
[09:46] <test3r> ok i cheked inside the manual which was luckily still in the box, and yeah, that gForce2 supports 1024x768 at up to 120hrz refresh
[09:46] <test3r> ok ill give that syntax a try
[09:49] <test3r> heh, now its all squished & fishbowl. ah well at least i know this will be better on my eyes. ill get used to it
[09:50] <test3r> weird thing though- the internal monitor menu still reports the same refresh frequencies
[09:50] <test3r> sooooOooo, it might be a sudo-refresh or something. im not sure.
[09:50] <h3sp4wn> how are you determining the refresh rate ?
[09:51] <h3sp4wn> and what nvidia driver are you using ?
[09:51] <test3r> i hit the "select" btn on the front of the multisync then exit its menu
[09:51] <test3r> legacy
[09:53] <test3r> (the NEC MultiSync is my monitor- just to clear tthat up)
[09:54] <h3sp4wn> I don't know about legacy (the twinview stuff for 9xxx + messes up xrandr)
[09:55] <test3r> yes this monitor Does have twinview option.
[09:55] <test3r> er sry card
[09:55] <test3r> gForce MX 400
[09:56] <test3r> i should include the Option under my "nvidia" line in xorg.conf  to IgnoreDisplayDevices DFP,TV  ???
[09:56] <test3r> sounds like a good try bb
[09:59] <test3r> it's all still the same. at least now we know that the twinview isnt messing it up though
[10:00] <test3r> its nice though i like it because it seems like i have more screen space the way it is now
[10:00] <test3r> the icons are tall and skinny lol
[10:02] <h3sp4wn> http://pastebin.ca/453160 (that is what I use mostly just done by hand though)
[10:04] <test3r> yeah - thats the opposite of what We have to do with the legacy cards pretty much
[10:05] <test3r> thank you though- that will come in handy someday, im sure
[10:05] <test3r> lets see if i can get mine up there
[10:05] <h3sp4wn> DynamicTwinView I don't want as it makes xrandr report rubbish
[10:05] <hyper_ch> hmmm, Amarok alone is worth it to ditch Windoze :)
[10:06] <h3sp4wn> amarok is the only gui program I use most of the time
[10:06] <h3sp4wn> oh firefox quite a bit too
[10:07] <hyper_ch> you use a gui browser? ;)
[10:07] <h3sp4wn> I use links2 where its practical
[10:08] <hyper_ch> ^^
[10:08] <h3sp4wn> unfortunately due to poor webdesigners I cannot use it as much as I would like
[10:08] <hyper_ch> especially on flash only sites :)
[10:08] <Harun_abd_As-Sam> I am trying to install xubuntu on an old computer of mine. The screen gets garbled after it starts the install. I think it is using too high a frequency for the old monitor. How do I tell it at install to start at a lower refresh/frequency?
[10:09] <h3sp4wn> hyper_ch: I don't have flash at all
[10:09] <hyper_ch> Harun_abd_As-Sam: running the desktop or alternate cd?
[10:09] <Harun_abd_As-Sam> I am running the desktop CD
[10:09] <test3r> here is my xorg.conf-    http://pastebin.ca/453172
[10:09] <hyper_ch> h3sp4wn: but other websites are somtimes flash only... then you don't have much fun with links2
[10:09] <hyper_ch> Harun_abd_As-Sam: how much ram have you got?
[10:10] <h3sp4wn> hyper_ch: Anything that is flash only I am not interested in anyway (don't have it for firefox even)
[10:10] <test3r> Sam > use an " _ " after the vid size in the xorg.conf
[10:10] <hyper_ch> h3sp4wn: some flash stuff is interesting :) pandora.com for example
[10:10] <test3r> like "1024x768_75"
[10:12] <test3r> Sam - you could also boot to recovery mode from grub, then issue a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:12] <h3sp4wn> test3r: try looking for the monitor specs somewhere - and set HorizSync / VertRefresh right
[10:12] <Harun_abd_As-Sam> I can't change the xorg.conf, this is a problem at install time
[10:12] <test3r> that will take you back through the setup process - this time choose Medium style monitor resolution selection
[10:12] <test3r> yes that is a problem sam lol
[10:12] <hyper_ch> Harun_abd_As-Sam: then you may want to try the alternate install cd
[10:13] <h3sp4wn> test3r: http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl (then make a modeline with that)
[10:13] <Harun_abd_As-Sam> I can set it to a low VGA mode at install time and it displays ok for a bit, then it switches again and goes scrambled
[10:14] <test3r> and Bookmarkt. nice
[10:14] <test3r> yeah lets search.....
[10:15] <h3sp4wn> test3r: does xrandr (list meaningful refresh rates)
[10:16] <Harun_abd_As-Sam> Is there a way to make it prompt me for what refresh rate to use in the install?
[10:17] <bubazoo> so far I've tried downloading xubuntu 7.04 5 times, and each time I get a different md5sum, weird
[10:17] <bubazoo> esp since i'm using bittorrent
[10:19] <hyper_ch> bubazoo: then maybe download it from the servers :)
[10:19] <hyper_ch> I haven't had any bad .iso download since I used dapper
[10:20] <test3r> Sam > boot to recovery mode from grub, then issue a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:21] <test3r> thats that spot when u boot up where it says  3....2.....1...
[10:21] <test3r> hit esc
[10:21] <h3sp4wn> Harun_abd_As-Sam: Did you look at the boot prompt for a safe mode (try the f keys)
[10:21] <test3r> then select recovery
[10:21] <h3sp4wn> its different with syslinux or isolinux
[10:21] <h3sp4wn> doesn't use grub
[10:21] <Harun_abd_As-Sam> machine is an old box of mine, was running (and still is) Debian 3.0. I want to ditch that replacing it with Xubuntu. I tried vga safe mode and it actually had the same problem.
[10:22] <test3r> i thought it was already installed h3sp4wn
[10:22] <test3r> not from LiveCD
[10:22] <bubazoo> hyper_ch  I am sorry, I have tried downloading it from the servers, still get wrong md5sum
[10:22] <h3sp4wn> well you can dist-upgrade to warty from debian 3.0 and then dist-upgrade all the way up (doubt it would work cleanly though)
[10:22] <test3r> if he neds to change refresh on the livecd i have no idea what option to add to the kernel
[10:22] <h3sp4wn> woody->warty is supported
[10:25] <Harun_abd_As-Sam> It looks like I need to use the alternate CD, since with that I can install via text mode
[10:25] <test3r> Thats what that RECONFIGURE give you
[10:25] <test3r> txt mode
[10:25] <test3r> and it will set the most stuff auto for you
[10:25] <test3r> when it comes to the part about Resolution setting
[10:26] <test3r> there is easy medium and hard
[10:26] <test3r> choose medium
[10:26] <Harun_abd_As-Sam> I can't reconfigure if I can't install it
[10:26] <test3r> there you select resolution WITH refresh.  oh so its not on there at All.  i see.
[10:26] <test3r> then yes pass an option to the kernel at boot time. i have no idea what one
[10:30] <test3r> or better yet, yes, just try the alternate install if you are comfortable with that. if you are partitioning its more difficult with the alt disk obviously.
[10:31] <test3r> trying to partition for dual boot.  but  if you are just installing this to a blank HDD, yes go with the alt install
[10:32] <Harun_abd_As-Sam> downloading the alt install iso now, will give that a shot, thanks for the help
[10:33] <test3r> np at all. Good Luck! If any distro can get er runnin- I have faith in this one.
[10:37] <shawn34> every disk i burn fails cd check
[10:37] <shawn34> i've went through at least 10
[10:37] <shawn34> burning at 4x and 8x, alternate cd and normal 386
[10:37] <shawn34> md5sums all check out
[10:37] <shawn34> using K3B
[10:37] <shawn34> any ideas?
[10:38] <TheSheep> shawn34: replace your cd recorder?
[10:38] <shawn34> besides that, could it be anything else?
[10:38] <TheSheep> shawn34: make sure burnproof is enabled
[10:38] <TheSheep> shawn34: and try slower speed
[10:39] <shawn34> 4x is the slowest i can burn
[10:39] <TheSheep> shawn34: and try cd's from a different manufacturer
[10:39] <TheSheep> shawn34: that's all comes to my mind
[10:39] <shawn34> 3 different types already
[10:39] <shawn34> crap
[10:39] <TheSheep> shawn34: ah, try to not move the computer during the burning :)
[10:40] <TheSheep> shawn34: and burn the image from local disk, not network-mounted or something
[10:41] <Catoptromancy> ya I burned 3 feistys
[10:41] <Catoptromancy> none works
[10:41] <Catoptromancy> and downloaded iso twice...
[10:42] <shawn34> TheSheep, im using alternate cd, when it runs into a currupt file i select continue then it says "couldn't download the package", but my network configured and was good... how can i get this working to download on bad packages?
[10:43] <Catoptromancy> ...
[10:44] <Catoptromancy> I attempted an alternate for a download and it would be corrupt
[10:44] <test3r> h3sp4wn > OK my orig B&W manual for my NEC MultiSync75 says that 85 Vert is the recommended refresh. but only 70 max horiz
[10:46] <shawn34> how can i do a network install?
[10:46] <grazie> !install | shawn34
[10:46] <ubotu> shawn34: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[10:48] <h3sp4wn> test3r: It should have the full specifications
[10:48] <test3r> h3sp4wn > that calculator gives me two warnings and very queer looking mode line-  [Modeline "1024x768@75"      85.52  1024 1056 1376 1408    768  782  792  807]    I wonder why there are SO many numbers after that?
[10:48] <h3sp4wn> that is normal
[10:51] <test3r> OK so it should replace the entire "mode" for 24bit under the SCREEN section?
[10:51] <h3sp4wn> no that goes into section "monitor"
[10:51] <test3r> or do i need to add a set of " " around it and make it the first mode the 1024x768 mode? that would mean there are double quotes though
[10:52] <h3sp4wn> then you would change 1024x768_75 to 1024x768@75
[10:52] <test3r> yeah, and just forget the jibberish it spit at the end, there?
[10:54] <test3r> ok here ill try it with the @75 instead of the _75
[10:54] <h3sp4wn> No you need
[10:55] <h3sp4wn> that stuff - you can read about how its calculated if you wish
[10:55] <h3sp4wn> http://burks.brighton.ac.uk/burks/linux/howto/xfree86v/index.htm
[10:59] <TheSheep> shawn34: you could maybe try the minimal cd :/
[10:59] <h3sp4wn> netboot/mini.iso
[11:00] <shawn34> TheSheep, can't find a minimal cd for xubuntu
[11:00] <test3r> OK i thought i had read this somewhere and I was correct -
[11:01] <test3r> you can use this for your mode setting -
[11:01] <test3r> "1024x768@70_85"
[11:01] <h3sp4wn> the minimal cd doesn't have any de
[11:01] <shawn34> ahh
[11:01] <test3r> and manually set the H and V refresh .  at least using the NVIDIA cards
[11:01] <shawn34> i will give that a shot
[11:01] <h3sp4wn> You can specify 1280x1024_60 etc definately with nvidia cards that are not ancient
[11:02] <test3r> well that only does the horizontal refresh
[11:02] <test3r> thats why my screen looked squished to me, h3sp4wn
[11:02] <test3r> you have to up the other, too
[11:03] <h3sp4wn> For that you need a modeline
[11:03] <h3sp4wn> but you need a correct one (not done by the generator)
[11:04] <test3r> rofl thats what im telling you - the mode line
[11:04] <test3r> under Monitor
[11:04] <test3r> er , Screen
[11:04] <test3r> here let me pastebin it again
[11:06] <snap> I have all 3 flaavors of Ubuntu installed how do i switch between them?
[11:06] <slow-motion> n8
[11:07] <test3r> it says some stupid error
[11:08] <test3r> ok Screen > sub-Display > 24 bits >     [ Modes		"1024x768@70_85" "800x600@70_85" "640x480@70_85"    ] 
[11:09] <test3r> thats my default screen it's going to goto because at the top default deptch is 24
[11:09] <snap> ok ill reinstall kubuntu....it gave me an option at that point once
[11:09] <test3r> just ass those bits at the end of each resolution and you're gold.  the first bit after the @  is Hoz refresh the second is Vert refrsh
[11:09] <test3r> *add
[11:10] <snap> bahhh nuthin
[11:12] <h3sp4wn> test3r: Do you ore don't you have the modeline ?
[11:13] <h3sp4wn> If you have a modeline you wouldn't need the _85 bit
[11:31] <test3r> no ive never had one that says "mode line". there is a spot on the very bottom of xorg.conf  that has the DRI mode 666, but I don't think that is what you mean
[11:31] <test3r> im assuming that 666 is the perms it gets set to, (so root can do its thing with it?)
[11:32] <test3r> and all users must pass thru that or something thats why the xtra bits. its nothing to do with root needing it
[11:35] <test3r> i dunno - in the x.conf you posted, you dont have a line that says "modeline."  I still think you are only modifying the horizontal refresh by only supplying one argument after the resolution.
[11:36] <test3r> especially after watching the effects myself on this screen
[11:36] <h3sp4wn> You are using an ancient version of the nvidia driver
[11:36] <B1zz> is it safe to install beryl with the restricted driver for the ati card?
[11:36] <test3r> yes the nvidia-legacy driver
[11:37] <h3sp4wn> and my screen size is set by the dpi
[11:37] <test3r> using a gFoce2 MX400 card
[11:37] <h3sp4wn> I think you should read - http://burks.brighton.ac.uk/burks/linux/howto/xfree86v/index.htm and understand it
[11:38] <test3r> but your post does not include the piece of which you speak of me inserting into my config- which is fixed now.
[11:38] <h3sp4wn> then you will know what you should do - going round in circles here
[11:38] <h3sp4wn> I never intended it to
[11:39] <test3r> Im just skeptical of inserting a line that is out of syntax with the rest of the pre-existing config that is there
[11:40] <test3r> when I can modify the existing one to do what i need it to do
[11:40] <h3sp4wn> that is the syntax that has always existed
[11:41] <test3r> the one the generator makes?  [ Modeline "1024x768@75" 85.52 1024 1056 1376 1408 768 782 792 807 ]  ???
[11:41] <test3r> then howcomes my lines say only "mode", use only the quote marks around seperate resolutions?
[11:42] <test3r> to insert that it would look
[11:42] <test3r> ""1024x768@75" 85.52 1024 1056 1376 1408 768 782 792 807"
[11:42] <test3r> which will prob error our because of the doublequotes
[11:42] <x2mjokada> Hi, does anyone know how to edit the applications menu so that i can add or remove programs from the menu?
[11:44] <test3r> not only that- are those resolutions after the 85.52 ??????
[11:44] <test3r> this monitor cannot do those.
[11:44] <h3sp4wn> read the timing howto
[11:44] <h3sp4wn> it explains what they mean
[11:45] <h3sp4wn>  /ignore test3r
[11:45] <x2mjokada> can anyone help?
[11:46] <h3sp4wn> !anyone
[11:46] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[11:46] <x2mjokada> does anyone know how to edit the applications menu so that i can add or remove programs from the menu?
[11:49] <test3r> ok i read that
[11:49] <test3r> it basically explain h refresh and v refresh and a few other things im not trying to do like "over push my monitor"
[11:49] <test3r> its an old old NEC
[11:49] <test3r> ...
[12:02] <scar> how do you enable compositing in xfce?
[12:02] <h3sp4wn> settings manager -> window manager tweaks
[12:02] <h3sp4wn> compositor
[12:03] <Cable86> man, you beat me
[12:03] <Cable86> only thing i dont like about it is the flashes when the screensaver is going
[12:04] <ser23> hi
[12:05] <BFTD> hrm
[12:06] <BFTD> how do i mount a solaris FS type in linux?
[12:06] <BFTD> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[12:06] <TheSheep> BFTD: xfs?
[12:06] <BFTD> thats the error I get
[12:06] <BFTD> TheSheep I don't know, whatever solaris generally uses
[12:06] <TheSheep> BFTD: try mount -t xfs
[12:07] <BFTD> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdd1,
[12:07] <BFTD>        missing codepage or other error
[12:07] <BFTD>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[12:07] <BFTD>        dmesg | tail  or so
[12:07] <BFTD> oops
[12:07] <BFTD> sorry
[12:07] <TheSheep> so it's not xfs
[12:07] <BFTD> !pastebin | BFTD
[12:08] <BFTD> yeah gparted is just saying its unknown
[12:08] <h3sp4wn> solaris uses a form of ufs or zfs
[12:08] <h3sp4wn> there is a zfs thing for fuse
[12:09] <h3sp4wn> what version of Solaris ?
[12:09] <BFTD> 10
[12:09] <scar> h3sp4wn: sorry, i was trying to find the answer to my question when you said that, but I don't have that options
[12:10] <scar> do you have any idea why compositor wouldnt be on my window manager tweaks?
[12:10] <scar> it was there when i booted off the CD, but gone when I installed and booted p
[12:10] <scar> up
[12:12] <ser23> solaris is using ufs?
[12:13] <BFTD> I think it is
[12:16] <BFTD> brb
[12:16] <h3sp4wn> Solaris 10 should be zfs
[12:17] <BFTD> might
[12:17] <ser23> ufs =bsd ?
[12:17] <ser23> HOWTO Mount UFS partitions
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[12:20] <scar> Gnome has the option to connect to FTP or SSH servers and have access to them on your desktop, like mounting.  Is there anything similar in XFCE/xubuntu?
[12:20] <Cable86> dont think so
[12:20] <Cable86> i havent found a way
[12:21] <scar> ok.  there are command line tools I think, I was just looking for a simpler way
[12:21] <scar> thanks
[12:21] <kohan> Hello
[12:21] <ser23> hi
[12:22] <kohan> I would appreciate some assistance with driver installation
[12:22] <ser23> im also
[12:22] <kohan-noobie> :) I just installed xubuntu and am trying to get my wifi usb to work
[12:23] <ser23> isnt there a howto on google?
[12:23] <kohan-noobie> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/zydas_zd1211
[12:23] <kohan-noobie> yes. but i dont have the 'make' command
[12:23] <ser23> apt-get install make ?
[12:23] <kohan-noobie> and i cant get the build-essential w/out internet connection
[12:24] <keb> catch 22
[12:24] <kohan-noobie> :(
[12:24] <kohan-noobie> may i put them on a usbdrive?
[12:24] <keb> what did you install xubuntu from? it should be on the disk
[12:24] <ser23> i also installed xubunu but i have make in /sbin
[12:25] <kohan-noobie> 6.06.1 i386 cd
[12:25] <whitelamp> yo for some reason i cannot mount anything- i keep getting errors when trying to mount a cd and a hard disk
[12:25] <whitelamp> how do i fix this
[12:26] <kohan-noobie> did u sudo ?
[12:26] <ser23> somewhere
[12:26] <whitelamp> even as root i get the erros