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| lapo | hi | 01:32 |
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| darkmatter | morning | 01:49 |
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| lix | Hi! we want to produce 3000 feisty Fawn CDs for our University. Where is the actual artwork (for the Wallet & CD)? | 02:42 |
| lix | can't find it on: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing (there is only dapper drake ver.) | 02:42 |
| lix | BTW: the EPS for the wallet on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing is in adobe indesign format! | 02:42 |
| lix | :( | 02:42 |
| kwwii | lix: it should be appearing soon | 02:49 |
| kwwii | and it will be in adobe format as it is a print itme | 02:50 |
| kwwii | tem | 02:50 |
| kwwii | ahhh | 02:50 |
| kwwii | item | 02:50 |
| kwwii | nobody in their right mind would do real cmyk work with gimp or inkscape | 02:50 |
| lix | kwwii: mhmm. I see. When will it be "out"? We need it asap, because our students are demanding highly for it. Further we don't want to gove out "crappy self-burned" CDs. | 02:53 |
| kwwii | lix: I'll try to find out, let you know when/if I do | 02:54 |
| lix | kwwii: Oh, please! Thank you. | 02:54 |
| lapo | heya kwwii, which are your world domination plans for the next release if you have any? | 02:57 |
| kwwii | lapo: working on them as we speak | 02:57 |
| kwwii | I think that sometime during/after UDS it will be public | 02:57 |
| lapo | kwwii: cool, anything viewable already | 02:57 |
| lapo | ah ok | 02:57 |
| kwwii | lapo: I am trying to create a total concept for ubuntu and all derivs | 02:58 |
| lapo | cool, very needed | 02:58 |
| lix | kwwii: cool :) | 02:58 |
| kwwii | lix: from what I hear they are working on getting it online as we speak (although I do not know how long it will take) | 02:59 |
| lapo | kwwii: if you need my picky bastardness feel free :-) | 02:59 |
| kwwii | lapo: hehe, definitely :-) | 02:59 |
| elkbuntu | kwwii, you at least get the full 6 months this time :D | 03:01 |
| kwwii | elkbuntu: yeah, lucky me! | 03:01 |
| elkbuntu | you should be able to do even better stuff with more time ;) | 03:01 |
| kwwii | hopefully | 03:03 |
| kwwii | gotta cook lunch for my son, bbl | 03:03 |
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| kwwii | lix: the pics you want are going online (a jpeg version is already online) | 03:59 |
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| lix | kwwii: cool! where can i find it? | 04:19 |
| kwwii | lix: I think she said she put it up on the DIYMarketing page | 04:19 |
| kwwii | lix: in any case, once I have access to the internal server I will put tiffs online (and I could send you them per email or put them on my personal server first) | 04:20 |
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| lix | kwwii: cool. just seen, that the "circle of friends jpg" is online. what i'll need is the wallett and the image for the CD | 04:22 |
| kwwii | cool, let me see what I have received so far, and then I can ask for the other pics from the studio | 04:22 |
| kwwii | lix: have you tried ordering the CDs through shipit? | 04:27 |
| lix | we want to produce 3'000 | 04:28 |
| lix | not just "a couple" | 04:28 |
| lix | and we need it in a weeks time | 04:28 |
| lix | or: asap | 04:28 |
| kwwii | right, I'm trying to get them but I guess it will take a day or two to get them from the studio that made them | 04:34 |
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| kwwii | lix: ok, they are uploading everything they have to a server - I'll go through it and give you what you need (but it might take quite a while until it is all uploaded, perhaps even until tomorrow) | 05:00 |
| lix | very cool! thanks a lot | 05:02 |
| lix | kwwii: BTW: the CDs are for the university of applied sciences and arts zurich http://hgkz.ch the Eidgenssisch Technische Hochschule Zrich http://ethz.ch and the Polytechnic in Malawi http://www.poly.ac.mw :) | 05:03 |
| kwwii | lix: cool, I love switzerland :-) | 05:04 |
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| lix | kwwii: l8ter :) | 05:16 |
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| troy_s | kwwii_: You in? | 09:42 |
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| kwwii_ | troy_s: pong | 11:45 |
| kwwii_ | but not for long, going to bed soon | 11:46 |
| troy_s | how be things? | 11:46 |
| troy_s | sorry kwwii_: how be things? | 11:47 |
| kwwii_ | troy_s: good, I'll be on vacation in a few days while my parents are in town | 11:48 |
| troy_s | kwwii_: So I read that you are going to give it another kick at the can to get a 'comprehensive' design strategy -- as we were pushing in Paris. How is it going? | 11:48 |
| troy_s | kwwii_: Have you drafted any documents yet? | 11:48 |
| kwwii_ | troy_s: yeah, I have started to write some stuff up but nothing done yet | 11:49 |
| troy_s | lol | 11:49 |
| kwwii_ | I was thinking in terms of metaphors and ideas | 11:50 |
| troy_s | kwwii_: I suspect it will be met as warmly as the first pass. | 11:50 |
| kwwii_ | gotta pass that on higher up to get a reaction | 11:50 |
| kwwii_ | we'll see how well that goes | 11:50 |
| troy_s | kwwii_: As a side note, when I tried to integrate motifs, there were some blanket sillyness responses from sab | 11:50 |
| troy_s | kwwii_: Based largely on failed execution from previous attempts (namely the Photo issue that arose during Hoary) | 11:50 |
| troy_s | kwwii_: And before anyone can even begin to consider motifs / etc... there needs to be a written audience. | 11:51 |
| troy_s | kwwii_: Which is where it probably gets sticky. | 11:51 |
| kwwii_ | troy_s: agreed | 11:53 |
| kwwii_ | troy_s: to be honest, I wanted to talk to sabdfl about my plans before I announce them so that I can get some kind of sign-off on them before wasting time | 11:54 |
| troy_s | kwwii_: He will probably agree right up to the end when something is shown. That is the likely pattern anyways. | 11:55 |
| troy_s | kwwii_: He has some extremely obtuse vantages on motif etc. | 11:55 |
| kwwii_ | troy_s: well, the UDS in a few weeks will be the right time for me to hit him with this stuff, I think | 11:56 |
| kwwii_ | I made a list of metaphors and basic design ideas...I'll discuss that with him and see where we can go from there | 11:56 |
| troy_s | kwwii_: There will also be the inevitable barrage of "Dollar Shop Clerks Turned Educated Art and Design Experts" to explain to. | 11:57 |
| kwwii_ | hehe, you read the color thread as well | 11:57 |
| troy_s | kwwii_: Who are the motifs / metaphors aimed at regading audience? | 11:57 |
| kwwii_ | no wonder I did not respond | 11:57 |
| kwwii_ | troy_s: from every day computer users to semi-geeks | 11:58 |
| troy_s | kwwii_: Too broad to hit. | 11:58 |
| kwwii_ | no newbies on this list, as I think if the design is good enough they will be drawn in anyway | 11:58 |
| troy_s | as the two are polemically opposite in terms of function. | 11:58 |
| troy_s | kwwii_: I would reconsider that thought. | 11:58 |
| troy_s | kwwii_: In fact, you might find the new folks have completely different draw factors. | 11:59 |
| kwwii_ | troy_s: when I say semi-geeks I mean people who use their computers every day, just a bit more intensely | 11:59 |
| troy_s | kwwii_: Hello! Everyone uses their bloody computers every day. | 11:59 |
| troy_s | kwwii_: Its rather all the rage ;) | 11:59 |
| kwwii_ | troy_s: yeah, but outside of us having more technical possiblities I am not sure if catching newbies is possible | 11:59 |
| kwwii_ | lol, you should talk to my wife and all the others I know | 12:00 |
| kwwii_ | I had to fix two computer "problems" today alone | 12:00 |
| troy_s | kwwii_: I would push for it. It is the ONE most massively growing component of Ubuntu that has the greatest yield. | 12:00 |
| troy_s | kwwii_: Not to mention draw factor. As it is now, we have had three years of design that is rapidly putting us into the bloody 'WindowsXP' design school. | 12:01 |
| troy_s | (as frightening as that seems) | 12:01 |
| troy_s | lol | 12:01 |
| kwwii_ | I know that if we talk to sabdfl he will say we need to target the newbies | 12:01 |
| kwwii_ | but when it comes to changing technical aspects that is almost always impossible | 12:02 |
| troy_s | Yeah but he doesn't want to. | 12:02 |
| lix | kwwii_: do you think the feisty wallett artwork will be rady for tomorrow? | 12:02 |
| kwwii_ | and the system itself is simply not ready to take that leap yet | 12:02 |
| troy_s | kwwii_: The system itself is already taking the leap whether or not it is ready. | 12:02 |
| kwwii_ | lix: yes, I have it all now...I only have to decide which stuff we are going to release to the public (I was warned to choose well) | 12:02 |
| lix | kwwii_ yeah! cool! thank you! | 12:03 |
| kwwii_ | lix: they gave me everything that they did...much mor ethan just the wallets and the CD design | 12:03 |
| lix | kwwii_: gonna zZzzzz now | 12:03 |
| troy_s | kwwii_: Besides, perhaps opinions will change with the much lauded Fedora work release. | 12:03 |
| kwwii_ | so tomorrow I will definitely give you the two pieces you want | 12:03 |
| lix | kwwii_: good job! | 12:03 |
| kwwii_ | lix: see you tomorrow then | 12:03 |
| lix | kwwii_: yeah ;) | 12:03 |
| kwwii_ | lix: btw...I am on the same time zone as you (if you live in CH) | 12:03 |
| kwwii_ | troy_s: well, I am thinking along that line anyway | 12:04 |
| kwwii_ | troy_s: and trying to unify all the derivs in at least some ways | 12:04 |
| troy_s | kwwii_: Needless to say, getting to a point of having motifs is probably a starting point -- presenting them would be skipping a rather much needed block of brainstorming. | 12:04 |
| kwwii_ | so this will hopefully be the first step down the right path | 12:04 |
| kwwii_ | troy_s: definitely | 12:04 |
| kwwii_ | until now my first ideas (I'll make several others) was to pick a element for each deriv | 12:05 |
| troy_s | kwwii_: Again, it feels so like deja vu. | 12:05 |
| kwwii_ | so ubuntu is earth, kubuntu is sky, edubuntu is fire, etc | 12:05 |
| kwwii_ | I realize that this is not that revolutionary, but defining it and finishing it would be (at least for us) | 12:05 |
| troy_s | kwwii_: It could backfire if the shit is derivative however. | 12:06 |
| lix | kwwii_: yes I know. seen your blog ;) | 12:06 |
| troy_s | kwwii_: Although it is harder to get worse than having a dead air of no discussion at all out there regarding the design. | 12:06 |
| lix | kwwii_: Gute Nacht :-P | 12:07 |
| troy_s | kwwii_: Which is apparently the case with Feisty... perhaps sab will notice that. | 12:07 |
| kwwii_ | lix: nacht, bis morgen ;-) | 12:07 |
| kwwii_ | troy_s: yeah, true...but until I have him face to face to get real answers I am hesitant to really try to push anything amazingly new | 12:08 |
| kwwii_ | for fear that I am taking a step too far | 12:08 |
| troy_s | lol. good luck with that. | 12:08 |
| troy_s | You might be trying, and that is the entire point. | 12:08 |
| troy_s | He has had three years and counting to get the design into shape. | 12:09 |
| kwwii_ | yeah, nothing happens overnight :p | 12:10 |
| kwwii_ | I think that the UDS will explain a lot to me | 12:10 |
| troy_s | kwwii_: Nothing happens for three years? | 12:10 |
| troy_s | :) | 12:10 |
| kwwii_ | troy_s: it was a joke :-) | 12:10 |
| troy_s | kwwii_: I know | 12:10 |
| kwwii_ | actually I think things are slowly changing | 12:10 |
| troy_s | kwwii_: It was one of those 'gobsmacked' notions | 12:10 |
| kwwii_ | at least it is now known that there is a problem | 12:11 |
| troy_s | kwwii_: I hear there is a growing pressure from the users on the issue. | 12:11 |
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