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lapohi01:32
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lixHi! we want to produce 3000 feisty Fawn CDs for our University. Where is the actual artwork (for the Wallet & CD)?02:42
lixcan't find it on: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing (there is only dapper drake ver.)02:42
lixBTW: the EPS for the wallet on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing is in adobe indesign format!02:42
lix:(02:42
kwwiilix: it should be appearing soon02:49
kwwiiand it will be in adobe format as it is a print itme02:50
kwwiitem02:50
kwwiiahhh02:50
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kwwiinobody in their right mind would do real cmyk work with gimp or inkscape02:50
lixkwwii: mhmm. I see. When will it be "out"? We need it asap, because our students are demanding highly for it. Further we don't want to gove out "crappy self-burned" CDs.02:53
kwwiilix: I'll try to find out, let you know when/if I do02:54
lixkwwii: Oh, please! Thank you.02:54
lapoheya kwwii, which are your world domination plans for the next release if you have any?02:57
kwwiilapo: working on them as we speak02:57
kwwiiI think that sometime during/after UDS it will be public02:57
lapokwwii: cool, anything viewable already02:57
lapoah ok02:57
kwwiilapo: I am trying to create a total concept for ubuntu and all derivs02:58
lapocool, very needed02:58
lixkwwii: cool :)02:58
kwwiilix: from what I hear they are working on getting it online as we speak (although I do not know how long it will take)02:59
lapokwwii: if you need my picky bastardness feel free :-)02:59
kwwiilapo: hehe, definitely :-)02:59
elkbuntukwwii, you at least get the full 6 months this time :D03:01
kwwiielkbuntu: yeah, lucky me!03:01
elkbuntuyou should be able to do even better stuff with more time ;)03:01
kwwiihopefully03:03
kwwii gotta cook lunch for my son, bbl03:03
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kwwiilix: the pics you want are going online (a jpeg version is already online)03:59
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lixkwwii: cool! where can i find it?04:19
kwwiilix: I think she said she put it up on the DIYMarketing page04:19
kwwiilix: in any case, once I have access to the internal server I will put tiffs online (and I could send you them per email or put them on my personal server first)04:20
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lixkwwii: cool. just seen, that the "circle of friends jpg" is online. what i'll need is the wallett and the image for the CD04:22
kwwiicool, let me see what I have received so far, and then I can ask for the other pics from the studio04:22
kwwiilix: have you tried ordering the CDs through shipit?04:27
lixwe want to produce 3'00004:28
lixnot just "a couple"04:28
lixand we need it in a weeks time04:28
lixor: asap04:28
kwwiiright, I'm trying to get them but I guess it will take a day or two to get them from the studio that made them04:34
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kwwiilix: ok, they are uploading everything they have to a server - I'll go through it and give you what you need (but it might take quite a while until it is all uploaded, perhaps even until tomorrow)05:00
lixvery cool! thanks a lot05:02
lixkwwii: BTW: the CDs are for the university of applied sciences and arts zurich http://hgkz.ch the Eidgenssisch Technische Hochschule Zrich http://ethz.ch and the Polytechnic in Malawi http://www.poly.ac.mw :)05:03
kwwiilix: cool, I love switzerland :-)05:04
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lixkwwii: l8ter :)05:16
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troy_skwwii_: You in?09:42
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kwwii_troy_s: pong11:45
kwwii_but not for long, going to bed soon11:46
troy_show be things?11:46
troy_ssorry kwwii_:  how be things?11:47
kwwii_troy_s: good, I'll be on vacation in a few days while my parents are in town11:48
troy_skwwii_: So I read that you are going to give it another kick at the can to get a 'comprehensive' design strategy -- as we were pushing in Paris.  How is it going?11:48
troy_skwwii_: Have you drafted any documents yet?11:48
kwwii_troy_s: yeah, I have started to write some stuff up but nothing done yet11:49
troy_slol11:49
kwwii_I was thinking in terms of metaphors and ideas11:50
troy_skwwii_: I suspect it will be met as warmly as the first pass.11:50
kwwii_gotta pass that on higher up to get a reaction11:50
kwwii_we'll see how well that goes11:50
troy_skwwii_: As a side note, when I tried to integrate motifs, there were some blanket sillyness responses from sab11:50
troy_skwwii_: Based largely on failed execution from previous attempts (namely the Photo issue that arose during Hoary)11:50
troy_skwwii_: And before anyone can even begin to consider motifs / etc... there needs to be a written audience.11:51
troy_skwwii_: Which is where it probably gets sticky.11:51
kwwii_troy_s: agreed11:53
kwwii_troy_s: to be honest, I wanted to talk to sabdfl about my plans before I announce them so that I can get some kind of sign-off on them before wasting time11:54
troy_skwwii_: He will probably agree right up to the end when something is shown.  That is the likely pattern anyways.11:55
troy_skwwii_: He has some extremely obtuse vantages on motif etc.11:55
kwwii_troy_s: well, the UDS in a few weeks will be the right time for me to hit him with this stuff, I think11:56
kwwii_I made a list of metaphors and basic design ideas...I'll discuss that with him and see where we can go from there11:56
troy_skwwii_:  There will also be the inevitable barrage of "Dollar Shop Clerks Turned Educated Art and Design Experts" to explain to.11:57
kwwii_hehe, you read the color thread as well11:57
troy_skwwii_: Who are the motifs / metaphors aimed at regading audience?11:57
kwwii_no wonder I did not respond11:57
kwwii_troy_s: from every day computer users to semi-geeks11:58
troy_skwwii_: Too broad to hit.11:58
kwwii_no newbies on this list, as I think if the design is good enough they will be drawn in anyway11:58
troy_sas the two are polemically opposite in terms of function.11:58
troy_skwwii_: I would reconsider that thought.11:58
troy_skwwii_: In fact, you might find the new folks have completely different draw factors.11:59
kwwii_troy_s: when I say semi-geeks I mean people who use their computers every day, just a bit more intensely11:59
troy_skwwii_: Hello!  Everyone uses their bloody computers every day.11:59
troy_skwwii_: Its rather all the rage ;)11:59
kwwii_troy_s: yeah, but outside of us having more technical possiblities I am not sure if catching newbies is possible11:59
kwwii_lol, you should talk to my wife and all the others I know12:00
kwwii_I had to fix two computer "problems" today alone12:00
troy_skwwii_: I would push for it.  It is the ONE most massively growing component of Ubuntu that has the greatest yield.12:00
troy_skwwii_: Not to mention draw factor.  As it is now, we have had three years of design that is rapidly putting us into the bloody 'WindowsXP' design school.12:01
troy_s(as frightening as that seems)12:01
troy_slol12:01
kwwii_I know that if we talk to sabdfl he will say we need to target the newbies12:01
kwwii_but when it comes to changing technical aspects that is almost always impossible12:02
troy_sYeah but he doesn't want to.12:02
lixkwwii_: do you think the feisty wallett artwork will be rady for tomorrow?12:02
kwwii_and the system itself is simply not ready to take that leap yet12:02
troy_skwwii_: The system itself is already taking the leap whether or not it is ready.12:02
kwwii_lix: yes, I have it all now...I only have to decide which stuff we are going to release to the public (I was warned to choose well)12:02
lixkwwii_ yeah! cool! thank you!12:03
kwwii_lix: they gave me everything that they did...much mor ethan just the wallets and the CD design12:03
lixkwwii_: gonna zZzzzz now12:03
troy_skwwii_: Besides, perhaps opinions will change with the much lauded Fedora work release.12:03
kwwii_so tomorrow I will definitely give you the two pieces you want12:03
lixkwwii_: good job!12:03
kwwii_lix: see you tomorrow then12:03
lixkwwii_: yeah ;)12:03
kwwii_lix: btw...I am on the same time zone as you (if you live in CH)12:03
kwwii_troy_s: well, I am thinking along that line anyway12:04
kwwii_troy_s: and trying to unify all the derivs in at least some ways12:04
troy_skwwii_: Needless to say, getting to a point of having motifs is probably a starting point -- presenting them would be skipping a rather much needed block of brainstorming.12:04
kwwii_so this will hopefully be the first step down the right path12:04
kwwii_troy_s: definitely12:04
kwwii_until now my first ideas (I'll make several others) was to pick a element for each deriv12:05
troy_skwwii_: Again, it feels so like deja vu.12:05
kwwii_so ubuntu is earth, kubuntu is sky, edubuntu is fire, etc12:05
kwwii_I realize that this is not that revolutionary, but defining it and finishing it would be (at least for us)12:05
troy_skwwii_: It could backfire if the shit is derivative however.12:06
lixkwwii_: yes I know. seen your blog ;)12:06
troy_skwwii_: Although it is harder to get worse than having a dead air of no discussion at all out there regarding the design.12:06
lixkwwii_: Gute Nacht :-P12:07
troy_skwwii_: Which is apparently the case with Feisty... perhaps sab will notice that.12:07
kwwii_lix: nacht, bis morgen ;-)12:07
kwwii_troy_s: yeah, true...but until I have him face to face to get real answers I am hesitant to really try to push anything amazingly new12:08
kwwii_for fear that I am taking a step too far12:08
troy_slol.  good luck with that.12:08
troy_sYou might be trying, and that is the entire point.12:08
troy_sHe has had three years and counting to get the design into shape.12:09
kwwii_yeah, nothing happens overnight :p12:10
kwwii_I think that the UDS will explain a lot to me12:10
troy_skwwii_: Nothing happens for three years?12:10
troy_s:)12:10
kwwii_troy_s: it was a joke :-)12:10
troy_skwwii_: I know12:10
kwwii_actually I think things are slowly changing12:10
troy_skwwii_: It was one of those 'gobsmacked' notions12:10
kwwii_at least it is now known that there is a problem12:11
troy_skwwii_: I hear there is a growing pressure from the users on the issue.12:11

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