=== illern__ [n=illern@c83-252-239-167.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === nothlit [n=nothlit@fluxbuntu/developer/nothlit] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === klepas [n=klepas@60-242-104-119.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === klepas [n=klepas@ppp167-251-133.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === darkmatter [n=darkmatt@unaffiliated/darkmatter] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === PWill [n=paul@unaffiliated/pwill] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === kwwii [n=kwwii@p54956D3C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === andreasn [n=andreas@h101n1fls31o839.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === darkmatter [n=darkmatt@unaffiliated/darkmatter] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === bersace [n=bersace@81.185.32.107] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === lapo [n=lapo@host238-223-static.40-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [01:32] hi [01:49] morning === rca [n=bar@firewall.snm-hgkz.ch] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === lix [n=lix@firewall.snm-hgkz.ch] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [02:42] Hi! we want to produce 3000 feisty Fawn CDs for our University. Where is the actual artwork (for the Wallet & CD)? [02:42] can't find it on: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing (there is only dapper drake ver.) [02:42] BTW: the EPS for the wallet on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing is in adobe indesign format! [02:42] :( [02:49] lix: it should be appearing soon [02:50] and it will be in adobe format as it is a print itme [02:50] tem [02:50] ahhh [02:50] item [02:50] nobody in their right mind would do real cmyk work with gimp or inkscape [02:53] kwwii: mhmm. I see. When will it be "out"? We need it asap, because our students are demanding highly for it. Further we don't want to gove out "crappy self-burned" CDs. [02:54] lix: I'll try to find out, let you know when/if I do [02:54] kwwii: Oh, please! Thank you. [02:57] heya kwwii, which are your world domination plans for the next release if you have any? [02:57] lapo: working on them as we speak [02:57] I think that sometime during/after UDS it will be public [02:57] kwwii: cool, anything viewable already [02:57] ah ok [02:58] lapo: I am trying to create a total concept for ubuntu and all derivs [02:58] cool, very needed [02:58] kwwii: cool :) [02:59] lix: from what I hear they are working on getting it online as we speak (although I do not know how long it will take) [02:59] kwwii: if you need my picky bastardness feel free :-) [02:59] lapo: hehe, definitely :-) [03:01] kwwii, you at least get the full 6 months this time :D [03:01] elkbuntu: yeah, lucky me! [03:01] you should be able to do even better stuff with more time ;) [03:03] hopefully [03:03] gotta cook lunch for my son, bbl === darkmatter [n=darkmatt@unaffiliated/darkmatter] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === yharrow [n=sysadmin@unaffiliated/yharrow] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === yharrow_mobile [n=sysadmin@unaffiliated/yharrow] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === lix [n=lix@firewall.snm-hgkz.ch] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [03:59] lix: the pics you want are going online (a jpeg version is already online) === lix [n=lix@firewall.snm-hgkz.ch] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === yharrow [n=sysadmin@unaffiliated/yharrow] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [04:19] kwwii: cool! where can i find it? [04:19] lix: I think she said she put it up on the DIYMarketing page [04:20] lix: in any case, once I have access to the internal server I will put tiffs online (and I could send you them per email or put them on my personal server first) === darkmatter [n=darkmatt@unaffiliated/darkmatter] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [04:22] kwwii: cool. just seen, that the "circle of friends jpg" is online. what i'll need is the wallett and the image for the CD [04:22] cool, let me see what I have received so far, and then I can ask for the other pics from the studio [04:27] lix: have you tried ordering the CDs through shipit? [04:28] we want to produce 3'000 [04:28] not just "a couple" [04:28] and we need it in a weeks time [04:28] or: asap [04:34] right, I'm trying to get them but I guess it will take a day or two to get them from the studio that made them === bersace [n=bersace@81.185.32.107] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === yharrow [n=sysadmin@unaffiliated/yharrow] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [05:00] lix: ok, they are uploading everything they have to a server - I'll go through it and give you what you need (but it might take quite a while until it is all uploaded, perhaps even until tomorrow) [05:02] very cool! thanks a lot [05:03] kwwii: BTW: the CDs are for the university of applied sciences and arts zurich http://hgkz.ch the Eidgenssisch Technische Hochschule Zrich http://ethz.ch and the Polytechnic in Malawi http://www.poly.ac.mw :) [05:04] lix: cool, I love switzerland :-) === yharrow [n=sysadmin@unaffiliated/yharrow] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [05:16] kwwii: l8ter :) === dborg [n=daniel@e181169235.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === illern [n=illern@c83-252-239-167.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === kwwii_ [n=kwwii@p54957f80.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === bersace [n=bersace@81.185.32.107] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === yharrow [n=sysadmin@unaffiliated/yharrow] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === darkmatter [n=darkmatt@206-163-248-142.yktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === yharrow [n=sysadmin@unaffiliated/yharrow] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === dborg [n=daniel@e182062083.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === lix [n=lix@217-162-177-254.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === yharrow_mobile [n=sysadmin@unaffiliated/yharrow] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === yharrow [n=sysadmin@unaffiliated/yharrow] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [09:42] kwwii_: You in? === yharrow_mobile [n=sysadmin@unaffiliated/yharrow] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === darkmatter [n=darkmatt@unaffiliated/darkmatter] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [11:45] troy_s: pong [11:46] but not for long, going to bed soon [11:46] how be things? [11:47] sorry kwwii_: how be things? [11:48] troy_s: good, I'll be on vacation in a few days while my parents are in town [11:48] kwwii_: So I read that you are going to give it another kick at the can to get a 'comprehensive' design strategy -- as we were pushing in Paris. How is it going? [11:48] kwwii_: Have you drafted any documents yet? [11:49] troy_s: yeah, I have started to write some stuff up but nothing done yet [11:49] lol [11:50] I was thinking in terms of metaphors and ideas [11:50] kwwii_: I suspect it will be met as warmly as the first pass. [11:50] gotta pass that on higher up to get a reaction [11:50] we'll see how well that goes [11:50] kwwii_: As a side note, when I tried to integrate motifs, there were some blanket sillyness responses from sab [11:50] kwwii_: Based largely on failed execution from previous attempts (namely the Photo issue that arose during Hoary) [11:51] kwwii_: And before anyone can even begin to consider motifs / etc... there needs to be a written audience. [11:51] kwwii_: Which is where it probably gets sticky. [11:53] troy_s: agreed [11:54] troy_s: to be honest, I wanted to talk to sabdfl about my plans before I announce them so that I can get some kind of sign-off on them before wasting time [11:55] kwwii_: He will probably agree right up to the end when something is shown. That is the likely pattern anyways. [11:55] kwwii_: He has some extremely obtuse vantages on motif etc. [11:56] troy_s: well, the UDS in a few weeks will be the right time for me to hit him with this stuff, I think [11:56] I made a list of metaphors and basic design ideas...I'll discuss that with him and see where we can go from there [11:57] kwwii_: There will also be the inevitable barrage of "Dollar Shop Clerks Turned Educated Art and Design Experts" to explain to. [11:57] hehe, you read the color thread as well [11:57] kwwii_: Who are the motifs / metaphors aimed at regading audience? [11:57] no wonder I did not respond [11:58] troy_s: from every day computer users to semi-geeks [11:58] kwwii_: Too broad to hit. [11:58] no newbies on this list, as I think if the design is good enough they will be drawn in anyway [11:58] as the two are polemically opposite in terms of function. [11:58] kwwii_: I would reconsider that thought. [11:59] kwwii_: In fact, you might find the new folks have completely different draw factors. [11:59] troy_s: when I say semi-geeks I mean people who use their computers every day, just a bit more intensely [11:59] kwwii_: Hello! Everyone uses their bloody computers every day. [11:59] kwwii_: Its rather all the rage ;) [11:59] troy_s: yeah, but outside of us having more technical possiblities I am not sure if catching newbies is possible [12:00] lol, you should talk to my wife and all the others I know [12:00] I had to fix two computer "problems" today alone [12:00] kwwii_: I would push for it. It is the ONE most massively growing component of Ubuntu that has the greatest yield. [12:01] kwwii_: Not to mention draw factor. As it is now, we have had three years of design that is rapidly putting us into the bloody 'WindowsXP' design school. [12:01] (as frightening as that seems) [12:01] lol [12:01] I know that if we talk to sabdfl he will say we need to target the newbies [12:02] but when it comes to changing technical aspects that is almost always impossible [12:02] Yeah but he doesn't want to. [12:02] kwwii_: do you think the feisty wallett artwork will be rady for tomorrow? [12:02] and the system itself is simply not ready to take that leap yet [12:02] kwwii_: The system itself is already taking the leap whether or not it is ready. [12:02] lix: yes, I have it all now...I only have to decide which stuff we are going to release to the public (I was warned to choose well) [12:03] kwwii_ yeah! cool! thank you! [12:03] lix: they gave me everything that they did...much mor ethan just the wallets and the CD design [12:03] kwwii_: gonna zZzzzz now [12:03] kwwii_: Besides, perhaps opinions will change with the much lauded Fedora work release. [12:03] so tomorrow I will definitely give you the two pieces you want [12:03] kwwii_: good job! [12:03] lix: see you tomorrow then [12:03] kwwii_: yeah ;) [12:03] lix: btw...I am on the same time zone as you (if you live in CH) [12:04] troy_s: well, I am thinking along that line anyway [12:04] troy_s: and trying to unify all the derivs in at least some ways [12:04] kwwii_: Needless to say, getting to a point of having motifs is probably a starting point -- presenting them would be skipping a rather much needed block of brainstorming. [12:04] so this will hopefully be the first step down the right path [12:04] troy_s: definitely [12:05] until now my first ideas (I'll make several others) was to pick a element for each deriv [12:05] kwwii_: Again, it feels so like deja vu. [12:05] so ubuntu is earth, kubuntu is sky, edubuntu is fire, etc [12:05] I realize that this is not that revolutionary, but defining it and finishing it would be (at least for us) [12:06] kwwii_: It could backfire if the shit is derivative however. [12:06] kwwii_: yes I know. seen your blog ;) [12:06] kwwii_: Although it is harder to get worse than having a dead air of no discussion at all out there regarding the design. [12:07] kwwii_: Gute Nacht :-P [12:07] kwwii_: Which is apparently the case with Feisty... perhaps sab will notice that. [12:07] lix: nacht, bis morgen ;-) [12:08] troy_s: yeah, true...but until I have him face to face to get real answers I am hesitant to really try to push anything amazingly new [12:08] for fear that I am taking a step too far [12:08] lol. good luck with that. [12:08] You might be trying, and that is the entire point. [12:09] He has had three years and counting to get the design into shape. [12:10] yeah, nothing happens overnight :p [12:10] I think that the UDS will explain a lot to me [12:10] kwwii_: Nothing happens for three years? [12:10] :) [12:10] troy_s: it was a joke :-) [12:10] kwwii_: I know [12:10] actually I think things are slowly changing [12:10] kwwii_: It was one of those 'gobsmacked' notions [12:11] at least it is now known that there is a problem [12:11] kwwii_: I hear there is a growing pressure from the users on the issue.