[01:32] <lapo> hi
[01:49] <darkmatter> morning
[02:42] <lix> Hi! we want to produce 3000 feisty Fawn CDs for our University. Where is the actual artwork (for the Wallet & CD)?
[02:42] <lix> can't find it on: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing (there is only dapper drake ver.)
[02:42] <lix> BTW: the EPS for the wallet on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing is in adobe indesign format!
[02:42] <lix> :(
[02:49] <kwwii> lix: it should be appearing soon
[02:50] <kwwii> and it will be in adobe format as it is a print itme
[02:50] <kwwii> tem
[02:50] <kwwii> ahhh
[02:50] <kwwii> item
[02:50] <kwwii> nobody in their right mind would do real cmyk work with gimp or inkscape
[02:53] <lix> kwwii: mhmm. I see. When will it be "out"? We need it asap, because our students are demanding highly for it. Further we don't want to gove out "crappy self-burned" CDs.
[02:54] <kwwii> lix: I'll try to find out, let you know when/if I do
[02:54] <lix> kwwii: Oh, please! Thank you.
[02:57] <lapo> heya kwwii, which are your world domination plans for the next release if you have any?
[02:57] <kwwii> lapo: working on them as we speak
[02:57] <kwwii> I think that sometime during/after UDS it will be public
[02:57] <lapo> kwwii: cool, anything viewable already
[02:57] <lapo> ah ok
[02:58] <kwwii> lapo: I am trying to create a total concept for ubuntu and all derivs
[02:58] <lapo> cool, very needed
[02:58] <lix> kwwii: cool :)
[02:59] <kwwii> lix: from what I hear they are working on getting it online as we speak (although I do not know how long it will take)
[02:59] <lapo> kwwii: if you need my picky bastardness feel free :-)
[02:59] <kwwii> lapo: hehe, definitely :-)
[03:01] <elkbuntu> kwwii, you at least get the full 6 months this time :D
[03:01] <kwwii> elkbuntu: yeah, lucky me!
[03:01] <elkbuntu> you should be able to do even better stuff with more time ;)
[03:03] <kwwii> hopefully
[03:03] <kwwii>  gotta cook lunch for my son, bbl
[03:59] <kwwii> lix: the pics you want are going online (a jpeg version is already online)
[04:19] <lix> kwwii: cool! where can i find it?
[04:19] <kwwii> lix: I think she said she put it up on the DIYMarketing page
[04:20] <kwwii> lix: in any case, once I have access to the internal server I will put tiffs online (and I could send you them per email or put them on my personal server first)
[04:22] <lix> kwwii: cool. just seen, that the "circle of friends jpg" is online. what i'll need is the wallett and the image for the CD
[04:22] <kwwii> cool, let me see what I have received so far, and then I can ask for the other pics from the studio
[04:27] <kwwii> lix: have you tried ordering the CDs through shipit?
[04:28] <lix> we want to produce 3'000
[04:28] <lix> not just "a couple"
[04:28] <lix> and we need it in a weeks time
[04:28] <lix> or: asap
[04:34] <kwwii> right, I'm trying to get them but I guess it will take a day or two to get them from the studio that made them
[05:00] <kwwii> lix: ok, they are uploading everything they have to a server - I'll go through it and give you what you need (but it might take quite a while until it is all uploaded, perhaps even until tomorrow)
[05:02] <lix> very cool! thanks a lot
[05:03] <lix> kwwii: BTW: the CDs are for the university of applied sciences and arts zurich http://hgkz.ch the Eidgenssisch Technische Hochschule Zrich http://ethz.ch and the Polytechnic in Malawi http://www.poly.ac.mw :)
[05:04] <kwwii> lix: cool, I love switzerland :-)
[05:16] <lix> kwwii: l8ter :)
[09:42] <troy_s> kwwii_: You in?
[11:45] <kwwii_> troy_s: pong
[11:46] <kwwii_> but not for long, going to bed soon
[11:46] <troy_s> how be things?
[11:47] <troy_s> sorry kwwii_:  how be things?
[11:48] <kwwii_> troy_s: good, I'll be on vacation in a few days while my parents are in town
[11:48] <troy_s> kwwii_: So I read that you are going to give it another kick at the can to get a 'comprehensive' design strategy -- as we were pushing in Paris.  How is it going?
[11:48] <troy_s> kwwii_: Have you drafted any documents yet?
[11:49] <kwwii_> troy_s: yeah, I have started to write some stuff up but nothing done yet
[11:49] <troy_s> lol
[11:50] <kwwii_> I was thinking in terms of metaphors and ideas
[11:50] <troy_s> kwwii_: I suspect it will be met as warmly as the first pass.
[11:50] <kwwii_> gotta pass that on higher up to get a reaction
[11:50] <kwwii_> we'll see how well that goes
[11:50] <troy_s> kwwii_: As a side note, when I tried to integrate motifs, there were some blanket sillyness responses from sab
[11:50] <troy_s> kwwii_: Based largely on failed execution from previous attempts (namely the Photo issue that arose during Hoary)
[11:51] <troy_s> kwwii_: And before anyone can even begin to consider motifs / etc... there needs to be a written audience.
[11:51] <troy_s> kwwii_: Which is where it probably gets sticky.
[11:53] <kwwii_> troy_s: agreed
[11:54] <kwwii_> troy_s: to be honest, I wanted to talk to sabdfl about my plans before I announce them so that I can get some kind of sign-off on them before wasting time
[11:55] <troy_s> kwwii_: He will probably agree right up to the end when something is shown.  That is the likely pattern anyways.
[11:55] <troy_s> kwwii_: He has some extremely obtuse vantages on motif etc.
[11:56] <kwwii_> troy_s: well, the UDS in a few weeks will be the right time for me to hit him with this stuff, I think
[11:56] <kwwii_> I made a list of metaphors and basic design ideas...I'll discuss that with him and see where we can go from there
[11:57] <troy_s> kwwii_:  There will also be the inevitable barrage of "Dollar Shop Clerks Turned Educated Art and Design Experts" to explain to.
[11:57] <kwwii_> hehe, you read the color thread as well
[11:57] <troy_s> kwwii_: Who are the motifs / metaphors aimed at regading audience?
[11:57] <kwwii_> no wonder I did not respond
[11:58] <kwwii_> troy_s: from every day computer users to semi-geeks
[11:58] <troy_s> kwwii_: Too broad to hit.
[11:58] <kwwii_> no newbies on this list, as I think if the design is good enough they will be drawn in anyway
[11:58] <troy_s> as the two are polemically opposite in terms of function.
[11:58] <troy_s> kwwii_: I would reconsider that thought.
[11:59] <troy_s> kwwii_: In fact, you might find the new folks have completely different draw factors.
[11:59] <kwwii_> troy_s: when I say semi-geeks I mean people who use their computers every day, just a bit more intensely
[11:59] <troy_s> kwwii_: Hello!  Everyone uses their bloody computers every day.
[11:59] <troy_s> kwwii_: Its rather all the rage ;)
[11:59] <kwwii_> troy_s: yeah, but outside of us having more technical possiblities I am not sure if catching newbies is possible
[12:00] <kwwii_> lol, you should talk to my wife and all the others I know
[12:00] <kwwii_> I had to fix two computer "problems" today alone
[12:00] <troy_s> kwwii_: I would push for it.  It is the ONE most massively growing component of Ubuntu that has the greatest yield.
[12:01] <troy_s> kwwii_: Not to mention draw factor.  As it is now, we have had three years of design that is rapidly putting us into the bloody 'WindowsXP' design school.
[12:01] <troy_s> (as frightening as that seems)
[12:01] <troy_s> lol
[12:01] <kwwii_> I know that if we talk to sabdfl he will say we need to target the newbies
[12:02] <kwwii_> but when it comes to changing technical aspects that is almost always impossible
[12:02] <troy_s> Yeah but he doesn't want to.
[12:02] <lix> kwwii_: do you think the feisty wallett artwork will be rady for tomorrow?
[12:02] <kwwii_> and the system itself is simply not ready to take that leap yet
[12:02] <troy_s> kwwii_: The system itself is already taking the leap whether or not it is ready.
[12:02] <kwwii_> lix: yes, I have it all now...I only have to decide which stuff we are going to release to the public (I was warned to choose well)
[12:03] <lix> kwwii_ yeah! cool! thank you!
[12:03] <kwwii_> lix: they gave me everything that they did...much mor ethan just the wallets and the CD design
[12:03] <lix> kwwii_: gonna zZzzzz now
[12:03] <troy_s> kwwii_: Besides, perhaps opinions will change with the much lauded Fedora work release.
[12:03] <kwwii_> so tomorrow I will definitely give you the two pieces you want
[12:03] <lix> kwwii_: good job!
[12:03] <kwwii_> lix: see you tomorrow then
[12:03] <lix> kwwii_: yeah ;)
[12:03] <kwwii_> lix: btw...I am on the same time zone as you (if you live in CH)
[12:04] <kwwii_> troy_s: well, I am thinking along that line anyway
[12:04] <kwwii_> troy_s: and trying to unify all the derivs in at least some ways
[12:04] <troy_s> kwwii_: Needless to say, getting to a point of having motifs is probably a starting point -- presenting them would be skipping a rather much needed block of brainstorming.
[12:04] <kwwii_> so this will hopefully be the first step down the right path
[12:04] <kwwii_> troy_s: definitely
[12:05] <kwwii_> until now my first ideas (I'll make several others) was to pick a element for each deriv
[12:05] <troy_s> kwwii_: Again, it feels so like deja vu.
[12:05] <kwwii_> so ubuntu is earth, kubuntu is sky, edubuntu is fire, etc
[12:05] <kwwii_> I realize that this is not that revolutionary, but defining it and finishing it would be (at least for us)
[12:06] <troy_s> kwwii_: It could backfire if the shit is derivative however.
[12:06] <lix> kwwii_: yes I know. seen your blog ;)
[12:06] <troy_s> kwwii_: Although it is harder to get worse than having a dead air of no discussion at all out there regarding the design.
[12:07] <lix> kwwii_: Gute Nacht :-P
[12:07] <troy_s> kwwii_: Which is apparently the case with Feisty... perhaps sab will notice that.
[12:07] <kwwii_> lix: nacht, bis morgen ;-)
[12:08] <kwwii_> troy_s: yeah, true...but until I have him face to face to get real answers I am hesitant to really try to push anything amazingly new
[12:08] <kwwii_> for fear that I am taking a step too far
[12:08] <troy_s> lol.  good luck with that.
[12:08] <troy_s> You might be trying, and that is the entire point.
[12:09] <troy_s> He has had three years and counting to get the design into shape.
[12:10] <kwwii_> yeah, nothing happens overnight :p
[12:10] <kwwii_> I think that the UDS will explain a lot to me
[12:10] <troy_s> kwwii_: Nothing happens for three years?
[12:10] <troy_s> :)
[12:10] <kwwii_> troy_s: it was a joke :-)
[12:10] <troy_s> kwwii_: I know
[12:10] <kwwii_> actually I think things are slowly changing
[12:10] <troy_s> kwwii_: It was one of those 'gobsmacked' notions
[12:11] <kwwii_> at least it is now known that there is a problem
[12:11] <troy_s> kwwii_: I hear there is a growing pressure from the users on the issue.