[12:27] <asac> if we have luck and get firefox and tbird build against it i would be happy to do that too
[12:27] <asac> firefox-trunk will work ... but for 2.0 branch its still tricky
[12:27] <gnomefreak> that should be done soon or does it have to wait for gutsy?
[12:27] <asac> to use system-xul
[12:28] <asac> hey ;)
[12:28] <gnomefreak> lol
[12:28] <asac> its my time that is constraint here ;)
[12:28] <asac> working with debian maintainer to get this done
[12:28] <asac> hehe
[12:29] <gnomefreak> it will all be worked out though
[12:29] <asac> you really do too much ... better take a rest from time to time and burn out
[12:29] <asac> and if you feel you have too much to do, let me know
[12:29] <gnomefreak> asac: i will be off soon this is last full week i think
[12:29] <asac> i am hoping that you will get used to general packaging stuff that way
[12:29] <gnomefreak> never too much im not on a time table yet
[12:29] <gnomefreak> im hoping too
[12:29] <asac> off? going for new?
[12:30] <asac> actually, its pretty tough to learn packaging that way ... as there are many corner-cases ... however once you get it you probably know instantly more than you otherwise would have known
[12:30] <gnomefreak> fixing septic feild the week of 30th and on hte 3rd to the 7th ill be mostly gone
[12:31] <asac> 5th UDS start ;)
[12:31] <gnomefreak> you are gonna be there?
[12:31] <asac> yes
[12:31] <asac> i have to
[12:31] <asac> ;)
[12:32] <gnomefreak> maybe ill be at boston
[12:32] <gnomefreak> for gutsy+1
[12:32] <asac> how far away is that?
[12:32] <asac> for you?
[12:33] <gnomefreak> 18+ hour drive
[12:33] <gnomefreak> 2 hour flight or so
[12:34] <gnomefreak> spain == way too far
[12:34] <asac> right ;)
[12:34] <asac> how fast do you drive by car?
[12:34] <asac> 70 mph?
[12:34] <gnomefreak> lol me or speed limits
[12:35] <gnomefreak> fastest speed limit i have seen in USA is 70mph
[12:35] <asac> name both ;) ... i guess 60mph is limit on freeway?
[12:35] <gnomefreak> most highways are 60-65
[12:35] <gnomefreak> im about 10 miles over it normally
[12:35] <asac> yeah .. given that speedmeter have tolerance its not too fast
[12:36] <asac> you probably know that we have no general speed-limit on autobahn here :)
[12:36] <gnomefreak> yeah i know i can only dream of that
[12:37] <asac> yeah ... but its pretty crazy sometimes ... germans are usually pretty good car-drivers, but still it gets a bit scary from time to time when you want to go fast ... or slow ;)
[12:38] <asac> slow is eve nmore dangerous imo
[12:38] <asac> :)
[12:40] <gnomefreak> i hate drivers in the states
[12:41] <asac> i hate drving car
[12:41] <gnomefreak> i have found few that pay attention
[12:41] <asac> its far from what i would call relax :)
[12:41] <gnomefreak> true
[12:41] <asac> its always overcrowded
[12:41] <asac> stupid people, aggressive people
[12:41] <asac> everyting around
[12:42] <asac> i wouldn't do that ...  maybe in the states you have endless empty roads somewhere ... but here you just get gassed and probably hit by car at some point
[12:42] <gnomefreak> same here
[12:42] <gnomefreak> but i live out in middle of nowhere so the local roads around me arnt too bad
[12:42] <asac> really that remote?
[12:43] <gnomefreak> cant even get cable out here
[12:43] <asac> oh damn
[12:43] <gnomefreak> wind blows power goes out
[12:43] <gnomefreak> ;)
[12:43] <asac> so you live amount farms or somewhere in the wild?
[12:43] <gnomefreak> near farms
[12:43] <asac> s/amount/among/
[12:44] <asac> so what is next to you ... a small village or just woods?
[12:44] <gnomefreak> i only have 3 acres of land with a 2000 suarefoot house (give or take)
[12:44] <asac> no idea about what an acre is :)
[12:44] <gnomefreak> i have houses near me in a development but like 4 houses all together
[12:44] <asac> how may squarefeed?
[12:44] <gnomefreak> me neither :(
[12:45] <gnomefreak> finding out
[12:45] <asac> at best squaremeter
[12:45] <asac> :)
[12:46] <gnomefreak> 3 acres == about 130680 square feet
[12:46] <gnomefreak> 12140.58 square meters
[12:47] <asac> thats pretty big
[12:47] <gnomefreak> but most of it is woods
[12:47] <asac> lots of garden work :)
[12:47] <asac> ah ok
[12:47] <asac> so no english garden ;)
[12:47] <gnomefreak> we have alot of flower beds and stuff
[12:48] <asac> nice
[12:48] <gnomefreak> placed around the yard
[12:48] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmm
[12:48] <asac> does not sound too good
[12:49] <gnomefreak> that was weird maybe because i have 2 things building but firefox wouldnt close
[12:50] <asac> two builds?
[12:50] <asac> cpu shouldn't be a problem
[12:50] <asac> memory
[12:50] <gnomefreak> memory maybe
[12:50] <asac> is more important
[12:50] <gnomefreak> 256
[12:50] <gnomefreak> rdram or some shit like that
[12:50] <asac> i wonder how anything builds at all
[12:51] <gnomefreak> slowly
[12:51] <asac> maybe you should run openbox to squeeze everything out of it
[12:51] <gnomefreak> if i ever get fluxbuntu updated and ready to use i can build in that
[12:53] <asac> yeah but fluxbox is already pretty enhanced ;)
[12:53] <asac> openbox is better ;)
[12:53] <asac> or twm :)
[12:53] <asac> twm takes about 10k i guess ;)
[12:54] <asac> or good old fvwm2
[12:55] <gnomefreak> never used those
[12:55] <gnomefreak> open flux and blackbox i used
[12:56] <asac> yeah ;) ... you miss half a decade of linux fun then :)
[12:56] <gnomefreak> yep :)
[12:56] <gnomefreak> i dont mind tty either
[12:57] <asac> hehe
[12:57] <gnomefreak> i dont need GUI i just like it for email for the most part i can livee with links2 or lynx for browsing
[12:57] <asac> i find copy-paste handy
[12:57] <gnomefreak> asac: you can do that in tty
[12:57] <asac> yeah i bet you can
[12:57] <asac> :)
[12:57] <gnomefreak> theres a package (name slips my mind)
[12:58] <gnomefreak> that enables you to use mouse in tty
[12:58] <asac> yes i know :)
[12:58] <asac> gnomefreak: to setup mutt is not a problem
[12:58] <asac> actually mutt is never a problem
[12:58] <gnomefreak> i didnt until about 2 months ago
[12:58] <asac> you have to install a mail transport properly
[12:58] <gnomefreak> mutt is a pain to set up :(
[12:58] <asac> instead
[12:59] <asac> so exim4 setup is likely your problem
[12:59] <asac> mutt just looks in a directory or file for your name
[12:59] <gnomefreak> i havent tried in about a year either so i might beable to do it now but havent tried it
[12:59] <asac> it doesn't download or send mail directly
[01:00] <asac> k
[01:01] <gnomefreak> ill be back later i have to run to store for gf
[01:11] <asac> yeah i am out for night
[03:55] <gnomefreak> !no moztest is <reply> The Mozilla-testing repos can be found at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/PreviewArchives. Please remember these are testing repos, the packages in these repos are not stable and may break things on your system. Use with caution. Please report bugs that you find from these packages to: ubuntu-mozillateam@lists.ubuntu.com
[03:55] <ubotu> I'll remember that gnomefreak
[10:11] <asac> hi all
[10:25] <asac> gusty already build ffox ... so probably not a problem to upload again
[01:05] <gnomefreak> theres enough in repo to build ffox?
[01:17] <asac> apparently yes
[01:17] <asac> i will setup chroot by installing new feisty chroot and then run dist-upgrade
[01:18] <asac> currently working on enigmail
[01:18] <asac> for 2.0
[01:19] <gnomefreak> wonders if i can use feisty chroot and upgrade it to gutsy
[01:19] <asac> yes ... probably
[01:19] <gnomefreak> i have a few FTB's but i will have to work on them later
[01:19] <asac> but you will loose your feisty chroot :)
[01:19] <gnomefreak> not if i make a new one
[01:19] <gnomefreak> :)
[01:19] <asac> ;)
[01:19] <asac> hey, thats my plan ;)
[01:20] <gnomefreak> i started over from scratch on iceape and im getting hunspell error something about it not being in path
[01:20] <gnomefreak> and i think cvs issue on ff 3.0
[01:21] <asac> not in path?
[01:21] <asac> what is the error message?
[01:21] <gnomefreak> pastebinning it with ff3 error
[01:21] <gnomefreak> so you can look while im at drs  so no rush
[01:22] <gnomefreak> http://gnomefreak.pastebin.ca/454043
[01:23] <gnomefreak> they both maybe something simple im not seeing. the iceape error i got to begin with, that is why i tried brand new start
[01:27] <gnomefreak> ok ill be back after appointment
[03:07] <asac> me?
[03:08] <gnomefreak> yeah i feel like crap
[03:11] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: you around?
[03:17] <gnomefreak> did you get a chance too look at the errors im getting?
[03:20] <gnomefreak> btw the chroot error is E: No such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/gutsy  (assuming debootstrap hasnt been uploaded yet)
[03:24] <asac> gnomefreak: do you have tbird 2.0 running?
[03:24] <gnomefreak> not building but i have it usable
[03:24] <gnomefreak> its built already just havent uploaded it yet
[03:24] <asac> ok
[03:25] <asac> can you please start and tell me if home page is broken
[03:25] <asac> or how it looks like
[03:25] <gnomefreak> Were sorry, but we cant find what youre looking for.
[03:25] <asac> e.g. Go -> Mail start page
[03:25] <asac> hmmm
[03:25] <gnomefreak> that
[03:26] <asac> i guess i have to download the official tarball to verify that this problem is not ours
[03:26] <gnomefreak> yep same thing
[03:26] <asac> if they really display online page then its really stupid
[03:26] <gnomefreak> asac: all the links do that
[03:27] <gnomefreak> asac: the extenstion/themes and so on
[03:27] <gnomefreak> for tb fail like that
[03:27] <asac> btw, got enigmail working
[03:27] <asac> hmm
[03:27] <asac> those sucker ... what do they do :)
[03:27] <gnomefreak> i noticed that maybe fridayish
[03:28] <asac> boah
[03:28] <asac> that page is really ugly
[03:28] <asac> what did thy do?
[03:29] <asac> http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/tbird.png
[03:30] <asac> it just sucks ;)
[03:30] <asac> http://www.asoftsite.org/s9y/uploads/screenshots/icedove_start_window.png
[03:31] <gnomefreak> looking
[03:31] <gnomefreak> i dont have size :(
[03:31] <asac> on what page do you get when you hit get extensions?
[03:33] <gnomefreak> its loading atm
[03:33] <gnomefreak> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/mozilla-thunderbird/extensions/
[03:33] <asac> what would be right url?
[03:34] <gnomefreak> you should get can not find what you are looking for (or something like that)
[03:34] <gnomefreak> should be right page
[03:34] <gnomefreak> but you get above error
[03:34] <asac> no why= firefox/mozilla-thunderbird is definitly wrong
[03:34] <gnomefreak> oh goo point
[03:34] <gnomefreak> good*
[03:34] <gnomefreak> i didnt see that
[03:35] <asac> k
[03:35] <asac> we get redirected
[03:35] <gnomefreak> doesnt matter what i do it always brings firefox back
[03:35] <asac> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/mozilla-thunderbird/extensions
[03:35] <asac> is wrong
[03:35] <asac> it should be just thunderbird
[03:35] <asac> use just thunderbird
[03:35] <asac> then you are on proper page
[03:36] <gnomefreak> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/browse/type:1
[03:36] <gnomefreak> thats what it should be in theory
[03:36] <gnomefreak> IMO atleast
[04:56] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: i'm around nwo
[04:57] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: that email you CC'ed us what is that about.
[04:57] <gnomefreak> it was too short to understand correctly
[04:58] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: i read that mike is using Fx 3.0 nightlies from the trunk
[04:58] <gnomefreak> from trunk or from us
[04:59] <Admiral_Chicago> upstream
[04:59] <gnomefreak> ok and his issue is upgrading?
[05:00] <Admiral_Chicago> and I think he wanted to know if "check for updates" worked for upstream trunk or he would have to grab latest nightlies when he wanted to update
[05:01] <gnomefreak> check for updates should work
[05:01] <gnomefreak> it always has in past for me
[05:02] <Admiral_Chicago> okay
[05:04] <Admiral_Chicago> brb, gotta fix this stupid error...
[05:13] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: i would really vote to deny any support requests for upstream products
[05:13] <asac> :)
[05:14] <Admiral_Chicago> huh?
[05:14] <asac> it probably doesn't work for upstream trunk build
[05:14] <Admiral_Chicago> i didn't think it would, but I think he was just looking for information
[05:15] <gnomefreak> it used to work with 3.0a1 and 2
[05:15] <asac> yeah :) ... but i think that we are not the ones to ask about that :)
[05:15] <gnomefreak> but i agree about supported upstream products
[05:15] <gnomefreak> true
[05:16] <asac> there is huge community for upstream products
[05:16] <asac> so why are we better then e.g. mozillazine?
[05:16] <gnomefreak> asac: if you have uploads go for it :) im uploading fx and tb atm and redo release so if you can sneak them in go for it
[05:16] <asac> gnomefreak: funny ;)
[05:16] <asac> i will build as soon as yours are up
[05:16] <asac> :)
[05:17] <gnomefreak> ;)
[05:17] <asac> a few minutes ago i hit my keyboard pretty hard ... because of that thunderbird "wrong url" thing
[05:17] <asac> :)
[05:17] <gnomefreak> i need to figure out why fx3 and ia wont build but i can build them overnight. fx3 im assuming cvs is down
[05:18] <gnomefreak> asac: still working on that?
[05:18] <gnomefreak> asac: send it upstream and call it a day
[05:18] <asac> i think its done ... had to fix stupid mozilla things :)
[05:19] <asac> waiting for build to finish ... to see if things work like i want :)
[05:19] <asac> cvs is down?
[05:19] <asac> hmm
[05:19] <gnomefreak> cool you spinning 386?
[05:19] <asac> have you started with clean bzr?
[05:19] <gnomefreak> asac: i dont know. yes started brand new
[05:19] <asac> no spinning amd64 ... and will commit changes to bzr
[05:19] <gnomefreak> k
[05:20] <asac> maybe you used wrong date?
[05:20] <gnomefreak> i get same error with new and old bzr. same error with iceape old and new but that is hunspell error
[05:20] <gnomefreak> asac: i tried 3 dates
[05:20] <gnomefreak> the 17th 20th and 22nd
[05:21] <asac> hmm
[05:21] <asac> 17th is what i checked in right?
[05:21] <asac> let me see
[05:21] <gnomefreak> either 17th or 04th
[05:21] <gnomefreak> cant remember off hand
[05:21] <asac> works for me
[05:22] <asac> be sure that you have cvs installed in the chroot your might be in :)
[05:22] <gnomefreak> with what date?
[05:22] <gnomefreak> i do
[05:22] <asac> the one in bzr 17th
[05:22] <asac> its checking out
[05:22] <gnomefreak> i installed it once i got the error.
[05:22] <asac> hmm ... maybe temporary failure?
[05:22] <gnomefreak> asac: it checksout fine but doesnt build neworig
[05:22] <asac> ah ... why do you think cvs is down then :)
[05:23] <asac> lets see what happens
[05:23] <asac> still checkout running
[05:23] <gnomefreak> the error i get?
[05:23] <gnomefreak> asac: no mozilla dir either
[05:24] <gnomefreak> cant remember if i had to run something outside of what i have in the instructions for that but i dont think i had to
[05:26] <gnomefreak> afair you clone cd into it run neworig than build
[05:27] <gnomefreak> grabbing bzr again
[05:35] <asac> gnomefreak: orig build fine here
[05:35] <gnomefreak> ok im retrying
[05:35] <gnomefreak> finishing up basic chroot to upgrade
[05:38] <gnomefreak> also watching open week
[05:39] <riksta> Hi guys, I'd like to know if it's possible to tell thunderbird not to raise a "new email" notification, if the message is coming into the "Spam" folder? Thanks a lot
[05:44] <gnomefreak> where did you get tb 2.0?
[05:53] <poningru> nothing dude I dont wanna get into this again
[05:54] <gnomefreak> poningru: than stop complaining or giving shitty responces. i am in no way stopping you from building it and maintaining it yourself.
[05:55] <poningru> yes sir!
[05:56] <bluekuja> gnomefreak: ping
[05:56] <gnomefreak> bluekuja: ?
[05:56] <bluekuja> i write you in pm
[06:04] <gnomefreak> asac: in gutsy (new_packages) binutils cpp-4.1 g++-4.1 gcc-4.1 gcc-4.1-base libc6 libc6-dev libgcc1 libstdc++6 libstdc++6-4.1-dev tzdata
[06:05] <asac> good good
[06:05] <gnomefreak> ^^^ good reason setting up chroot wouldnt work :)
[06:05] <gnomefreak> basic tool chain atleast
[06:06] <gnomefreak> repo is down if anyone hasnt figured it out yet. will be done for a while longer as i clean it out upload packages and stuff ;)
[06:09] <asac> should be fine ;)
[06:24] <asac> ouch
[06:24] <asac> someone asking about VB.NET development in #ubuntu-devel
[06:28] <gnomefreak> why on earth would anyone do that
[06:30] <gnomefreak> laserjock is giving a good lecture on packaging but seems to be more of what is debdiff and things like that
[07:07] <asac> damn ... this modem sucks
[07:07] <asac> back ... but now i got to go
[07:08] <gnomefreak> lol
[10:07] <gnomefreak> asac: can you please pull bz364093-thebes-system-cairo-fix out of trunk bzr since we are not using it