[12:19] <benlake> aye
[12:19] <benlake> e100 and r8169 load on boot, but any attempts to utilize them end with errors and such
[12:19] <benlake> rmmod/modprobe and poof they work
[12:20] <Burgundavia> hmm
[12:21] <benlake> I'm at a loss, been scavenging all day
[12:21] <benlake> i'm curious if they are being loaded too soon or something.. when I watch the boot sequence, I actually see a terminal fire up then all the services start coming online
[12:22] <benlake> like upstart's event based loading is delaying stuff
[12:22] <benlake> but that's just my little brain trying to make sense of a big world :P
[12:34] <benlake> this is a rather debilitating issue as I have to have a freaking keyboard on the box for a reboot
[12:34] <Burgundavia> sorry, I am not certain either
[12:36] <benlake> no worries
[12:54] <shawarma> benlake: It's not that upstart has delayed the other services. Rather the login prompt is shown a bit earlier than you're probably used to. :-)
[12:54] <shawarma> What sort of errors do you get before the rmmod/insmod bit?
[12:58] <Yakshaver> Has anyone gotten a serial console working with Feisty server?  
[12:58] <shawarma> Haven't tried.
[01:50] <r00tintheb0x> anyone ever seen "<3>md: personality 3 is not loaded!"?
[02:19] <foo> r00tintheb0x: No, but have you seen this?
[02:23] <r00tintheb0x> spicy!
[02:27] <dj-fu> Anyone have a tut for setting up an apache jail in ubuntu server?
[02:27] <dj-fu> actually nevermind
[02:27] <dj-fu> i'll jus tinstall it from debs and then copy over the bits I need for chrooting
[02:40] <benlake> shawarma: hmm, the errors are like "can't read flags...SIGIOERR" something similar
[02:41] <shawarma> benlake: And it's both your interfaces? 
[02:41] <benlake> I think it's the e100  that says that, can't remember what the r8169 says
[02:42] <shawarma> But both of them are acting up?
[02:42] <benlake> I can reboot, one sec
[02:42] <benlake> yes
[02:42] <benlake> both modules
[02:42] <shawarma> That just... odd.
[02:43] <shawarma> You could try blacklisting them and loading them manually and see if that makes a difference.
[02:43] <benlake> by loading them manually do you mean modules.conf?
[02:43] <foo> r00tintheb0x: hmm, you are who I think you are, right?
[02:43] <benlake> or a custom book script?
[02:43] <shawarma> That way you'd know if it's because they're loaded to early or perhaps a driver initialisation issue (which does seem unlikely since two different drivers are doing it).
[02:43] <r00tintheb0x> yes foo :P
[02:43] <shawarma> benlake: No, manually as in "by hand".
[02:44] <benlake> ok, I'll reboot and give you better errors, and try that
[02:44] <shawarma> benlake: It's not really a good time for me, actually. It's almost 3 am here and I've got an early start tomorrow.
[02:45] <shawarma> You could open a bug and add whatever debugging info to it you may have and post a link to the bug here. I can take a peek at it tomorrow.
[02:46] <foo> r00tintheb0x: That could be good or bad... if the woman is behind you yapping their mouth off ... well, I think you get my point.
[02:46] <foo> :D 
[02:46] <r00tintheb0x> hahah shes on the couch watching the simpsons.
[02:46] <r00tintheb0x> heh
[02:47] <benlake> shawarma: alrighty, I'l' see... thanks
[02:47] <shawarma> benlake: np
[02:48] <foo> r00tintheb0x: nice
[02:48] <r00tintheb0x> heheh
[03:22] <sahafeez> i thought the lack of root was very nice however it seems that ldap needs a root account enabled ;)
[04:42] <Burgundavia> sahafeez: no it doesn't
[04:43] <sahafeez> yah. i realized my mistake after sudo passwd root
[04:43] <Burgundavia> if there is a piece of software that requires a root account, it is a bug
[04:44] <sahafeez> no way to undo the above
[04:44] <Burgundavia> yes, just relock it
[04:44] <sahafeez> i am setting up samba+ldap now. what a pain in the ass
[04:44] <sahafeez> how?
[04:44] <Burgundavia> the root account is locked on ubuntu merely by removing the password
[04:45] <sahafeez> vipw and remove it?
[04:45] <Burgundavia> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[04:46] <sahafeez> thanks.
[04:47] <sahafeez> pretty good docs so far from what i have seen
[04:48] <Burgundavia> for which?
[04:49] <sahafeez> the ubuntu docs on the site
[04:50] <Burgundavia> we try
[04:52] <Burgundavia> the ldap server page needs to be updated some
[04:54] <sahafeez> well i hope not to much as i need to get this up and working and in production ;)
[05:09] <sahafeez> shutdown from a user account should be password protected
[09:19] <coNP> Hey, people, how to forge an SSL certificate (Feisty + Apache2). Forums write everywhere that I should use 'apache2-ssl-certificate' but apt-file says nothing about that. How can that be installed?
[10:14] <flowolf> hi
[10:20] <lionel> fi flowolf
[10:20] <lionel> hi :)
[10:27] <flowolf> I'm unable to fix problems with soft raid
[10:27] <flowolf> sometimes they prevent my server to boot
[10:28] <flowolf> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/108971
[10:52] <fabbione> flowolf: know bug i think... let me find the duplicate
[10:53] <fabbione> yes.. it's known..
[10:53] <flowolf> fabbione: ciao
[10:53] <flowolf> I hope so
[10:53] <fabbione> it is
[10:53] <fabbione> i reported it and there is a workaround
[10:53] <flowolf> I found only something about the upgrade from 6.10 to 7.04
[10:54] <flowolf> but that isn't my case
[10:54] <flowolf> could you show the link? :)
[10:54] <fabbione> yeah i am searching it.. one second
[10:54] <dv5237_> anyone here ever installed xorg + desktop manager on  a server edition?
[10:54] <flowolf> ok, thank you
[10:55] <fabbione> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/107211
[10:55] <flowolf> thank you
[10:56] <fabbione> flowolf: the symptoms you are experiencing is the same
[10:56] <fabbione> unable to mount /dev/md0 in /root
[10:56] <fabbione> i was never able to catch the log because of the 2 gazillions lines of my bootlog
[10:57] <flowolf> I'm going to try
[11:03] <shawarma> dv5237_: The server edition contains the exact same software as the desktop version. The only difference is the choice of software that's installed by default.
[11:03] <shawarma> dv5237_: ...so you can just "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" and it's suddenly a "desktop edition".
[11:04] <vciaglia> d'oh
[11:05] <dv5237_> shawarma: but i dont want gnome, and the login window ;)
[11:06] <shawarma> dv5237_: Then install xubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-desktop or enlightenment or whatever and just remove gdm afterwards.
[11:06] <flowolf> fabbione: "We were able to "fix" the problem on the troubled system by inserting, just before the call to vol_id in 65-persistent-storage.rules, a call to a script which polls once a second for up to 5 seconds waiting for vol_id $tempnode to exit nonzero."
[11:06] <flowolf> fabbione: that is an hack more than a fix :)
[11:10] <flowolf> fabbione: and could you please send this script?
[01:49] <flowolf> I'm still looking for a fix for the software raid bug... :-|
[01:54] <ivoks> what bug?
[01:54] <flowolf> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/108971
[01:55] <flowolf> this one
[01:57] <ivoks>  /proc/mdstat is fine or there are problems?
[01:59] <flowolf> ivoks: fine
[02:00] <ivoks> then soft raid is fine
[02:06] <ooopsss> hello
[02:07] <ooopsss> i'm french and i a question about nullmailer
[04:06] <maek> can anyone tell me the prefered method of updating 6.10 to 7.04?
[04:08] <ivoks> update-manager
[04:09] <maek> dont I need gnome for that?
[04:09] <mralphabet> no
[04:10] <maek> oh, thanks. aptitude show update-manager says its a "GNOME application"
[04:13] <ivoks> you need update-manager-core
[04:14] <maek> ivoks: thanks much.
[04:15] <mralphabet> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades#head-e471fe0c514bab31d4fac24a8a8fde382e8c7aaf
[04:15] <maek> mralphabet: thanks.
[04:16] <mralphabet> that should take you right to "Network upgrade for Ubuntu servers (recommended)"
[04:16] <mralphabet> if it doesn't, scroll down to find that section
[04:17] <maek> sorry to be a lameo, I didnt see that section there when I looked on the 20th. Thanks.
[04:20] <mralphabet> no worries
[04:21] <ivoks> do-release-upgrade ;)
[04:22] <maek> telling me now new ubuntu release
[04:22] <maek> er, no new release found rather.
[04:22] <ivoks> you already changed sources.list?
[04:23] <maek> no
[04:23] <maek> should I ?
[04:23] <mralphabet> that seems odd
[04:23] <ivoks> no
[04:24] <mralphabet> you did "sudo apt-get install update-manager-core"
[04:24] <mralphabet> then sudo do-release-upgrade
[04:25] <maek> yes I did
[04:26] <maek> and I tried sudo bash ; do-release-upgrade .. not that its any different.
[04:26] <ivoks> ? :)
[04:26] <ivoks> ah... run bash as root
[04:26] <ivoks> did you update?
[04:26] <ivoks> apt-get update
[04:26] <maek> prior to installing do-release-upgrade
[04:27] <ivoks> and you have only edgy in repo?
[04:27] <ivoks> s/in/as a/
[04:27] <maek> I have edgy and edgy-updates -security -backports 
[04:27] <maek> so yes, only edgy
[04:28] <ivoks> try do-release-upgrade -d
[04:28] <maek> same, no new release found
[04:29] <maek> oh shit. im sorry. I am behind a proxy. I just assumed my apt proxy settings would work for this.
[04:30] <maek> sorry sorry, its to early for me.
[04:30] <mralphabet> I've actually seen somebody else say that before
[04:30] <mralphabet> there's an issue with apt-get because it specifies port 80 to communicate out and some proxies don't like that
[04:31] <maek> yeah, mine is 8080
[04:31] <maek> put, I have my proxy sting in there and it works fine
[04:31] <mralphabet> disable the proxy if you can and try again
[04:31] <maek> no, I cant :(  ill try and use a wrapper.
[04:32] <ivoks> you can configure apt
[04:32] <ivoks> in apt.conf
[04:32] <maek> does do-release-upgrade use the apt settings?
[04:32] <maek> because I have apt working with my proxy.
[04:32] <ivoks> i think it does
[04:34] <maek> its using the python-apt
[04:37] <ivoks> i just did do-release-upgrade on my one and only edgy server
[04:38] <maek> and it just went, I assume
[04:38] <ivoks> painless :D better than mouse clicking :)
[04:38] <jsgotangco> hell yeah that was really painless
[04:38] <jsgotangco> a mouse click has always been an interface bug lol
[04:38] <maek> hmm, I got nothing. thanks for the help, im going to assume proxy. ill try and get a wrapper working.
[04:39] <ivoks> and... exporting HTTP_PROXY didn't help?
[04:39] <maek> so, I use a mouseless wm on my desktop called wmii , its freaking brilliant. the last bit of mouse I need is cut and paste
[04:40] <maek> ivoks: you are a genius. so that means its NOT using the apt proxy settings
[04:41] <ivoks> yup :)
[04:41] <maek> like I said to early for me. thanks for the help.
[04:41] <ivoks> it's working now?
[04:42] <maek> yup
[04:42] <ivoks> great
[04:42] <maek> I agree, thanks very much.
[04:43] <ivoks> np
[04:43] <ivoks> actualy...
[04:43] <ivoks> exporting http_proxy doesn't mean that it doesn't read apt.conf
[04:43] <ivoks> cause http_proxy variable has higher importance than stuff in apt.conf
[04:44] <maek> ah, but I have proxy settings in apt.conf that are working for apt-* and aptitude
[04:44] <ivoks> i was just speaking theoreticly :)
[04:44] <maek> ok, thanks.
[04:45] <ivoks> worst feeling in life?
[04:45] <ivoks> waiting for a server, 200 miles away, to boot up
[04:46] <jsgotangco> haha
[04:46] <maek> tell me about it.
[04:46] <ivoks> this doesn't look good :/
[04:47] <ivoks> at all :(
[04:48] <mralphabet> hopefully there's somebody on site you can call
[04:48] <ivoks> me too :)
[04:52] <ivoks> urgh... dead
[04:55] <||arifaX> I am setting up postsfix with antispam. postfix setup is done. is there an easy way to implement postfix in our current mail subsys but do nothing than just report what it would do and forward the mail to our next mail gateway?
[07:06] <sahafeez> i have changed my setup to use ldap and now i am totally locked out of the server. not good.
[07:07] <flowolf> anyway, there is a bug on the installcd too
[07:08] <flowolf> feisty really sucks with raid
[07:17] <sahafeez> ok, i am screwed. how do i get back on the system
[07:18] <sahafeez> this is the reason i like having the root user!
[07:25] <sahafeez> any fix for the lvm bug or am i doomed each time i setup with 7.04 to endless waits
[07:25] <flowolf> sahafeez: I have a similar bug
[07:25] <flowolf> well, I had
[07:25] <flowolf> I switched to debian etch :)
[07:25] <sahafeez> it is a known bug. they shipped it that way
[07:26] <flowolf> still there isn't a fix
[07:26] <flowolf> and the installcd is bugged too
[07:26] <flowolf> it is unable to manage raids
[07:27] <sahafeez> i have an unrational hate of debian. 
[07:28] <flowolf> most of my servers are gentoo-based
[07:28] <flowolf> but this time I wanted something with binary packages
[07:29] <sahafeez> i thought long and hard about that. the problem is that i need something i can $ support on as i will not be the one running it all the time.
[07:29] <flowolf> first tried ubuntu but the bugs with software raid forced me to try something else
[07:29] <sahafeez> software raid on linux sucks. 
[07:29] <sahafeez> i just by the hardware
[07:29] <sahafeez> 3ware
[07:29] <flowolf> sahafeez: it doesn't
[07:29] <sahafeez> if i want software raid the only answer is ZFS
[07:29] <flowolf> I use it on many servers
[07:30] <flowolf> and it works perfecly
[07:30] <flowolf> zfs is available only on solaris based systems and freebsd-7
[07:31] <sahafeez> well i have found it to be buggy and the performance is not there. at the end of the day the trouble was not worth the money saved on not getting a 3ware.
[07:31] <sahafeez> and OS X 10.5
[07:31] <sahafeez> i running Solaris @ home for my file server with ZFS. one you use it you will never want to use anything else again
[07:31] <flowolf> osx is not yet available
[07:32] <flowolf> are you using opensolaris or nexentaos?
[07:32] <sahafeez> opensolaris on sparc
[07:32] <flowolf> never tried it
[07:33] <sahafeez> when 10.5 comes out of beta i will pick up my 1tb usb disk rack and plug it into my old g4 box as a server and it will just work.
[07:33] <sahafeez> that is nice.
[07:33] <flowolf> I hate osx :p
[07:34] <sahafeez> i love it, but then again i ran NeXTstep for my desktop for years...
[07:34] <sahafeez> and i got my 1st mac as a gift with the OS X beta from SJ himself ;)
[07:35] <sahafeez> so i drink the kool-aid
[07:45] <sahafeez> what kernel level is that debian relase?
[07:45] <sahafeez> they are on 2.6 now right
[07:46] <flowolf> yep
[07:47] <sahafeez> do you know what version it boots with?
[07:47] <flowolf> 2.6.18-4-686
[07:47] <sahafeez> shit.
[07:47] <sahafeez> to bad. will not work.
[07:47] <flowolf> ?
[07:48] <sahafeez> need 2.6.19+ for raid controllor driver
[07:48] <flowolf> then hope that the ubuntu guys will close some bug...
[07:49] <flowolf> or try opensuse/fedora
[07:50] <sahafeez> need support, so rhel, sles 10
[07:50] <sahafeez> both which lack the driver. now i can dl the driver and install it on boot. test sles 10
[07:50] <sahafeez> rhel sucks 
[07:58] <sahafeez> i am not very smart. grub -> recovery mode. did not ask for a passwd.
[07:58] <sahafeez> now i just have to figure out what is broken
[08:17] <r00tintheb0x_> Could having two hard drives at two different UDMA levels cause RAID1 to fail?
[08:17] <flowolf> lol
[08:18] <r00tintheb0x_> :)
[08:18] <flowolf> yet another raid bug report :)
[08:18] <flowolf> r00tintheb0x: something really serious is bugged with raid in feisty
[08:19] <r00tintheb0x_> hda=UDMA5hmm... 
[08:19] <flowolf> I compiled a bug report yesterday
[08:19] <r00tintheb0x_> right...
[08:19] <flowolf> then switchted to debian :p
[08:19] <r00tintheb0x_> lolol
[08:19] <r00tintheb0x_> Well this is SuSE (gag), but the suse chanel isnt a good resource for questions about RAID.
[08:19] <flowolf> -_-
[08:20] <r00tintheb0x_> =)
[08:21] <r00tintheb0x_> I think its a Kernel problem more than an Feisty problem.
[08:21] <r00tintheb0x_> For Serverworks motherboards. (or whatever IDE chipset they use)
[08:26] <Chadarius> I'm getting a "Unable to install GRUB in (hd0,2)" error during the Feisty server install. Any suggestions?
[08:55] <Chadarius> never mind I was just being dumb :)
[09:36] <Fudgenuckles> Hi, anyone know why fiesty doesn't have mod_security anymore?
[09:48] <lionel> Fudgenuckles: it has been removed from Debian for licensing issues obviously
[09:48] <lionel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libapache-mod-security/+bug/19832
[09:49] <Fudgenuckles> lionel, thanks, i had no idea
[09:49] <Fudgenuckles> lionel, is there an alternative to it?
[09:49] <lionel> not that i know of
[10:11] <server_> server noob here.  Does the default install of dapper Lamp server include FTP?
[10:11] <sahafeez> no
[10:12] <sahafeez> as l=ldap, a=apache, m=mysql, p=php
[10:12] <server_> is there a good tutorial referance for setting it up
[10:12] <sahafeez> the default server install is the bare min.
[10:12] <server_> k
[10:12] <sahafeez> https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/serverguide/C/index.html
[10:12] <server_> thanks.. I'll check it out...
[10:12] <sahafeez> this is for 6.10 but should be the same.
[10:12] <sahafeez> your welcome.
[10:13] <lionel> hum...
[10:13] <lionel> l of LAMP means Linux, not LDAP
[10:13] <sahafeez> i think you will find that the server install has nothing, not even ssh
[10:13] <sahafeez> bah
[10:13] <sahafeez> i have ldap on the brian right now
[10:14] <server_> Yea.. got ssh working last night. In fact I'm irc'ing via ssh into the server then using irssi
[10:14] <ivoks> how hard could it be to install ssh? :)
[10:14] <ivoks> for FTP, i recommend vsftpd
[10:14] <server_> sudo aptitude install ssh
[10:15] <sahafeez> that guide is good. i just started on ubuntu. i am a freebsd, gentoo, solaris guy
[10:15] <ivoks> there goes aptitude again :D
[10:15] <ajmitch> lionel: yes, you're not likely to need lots of ldap servers :)
[10:15] <sahafeez> is there a diff between that and apt-get 
[10:15] <sahafeez> as getting one working right is hard enough
[10:15] <server_> w/aptitude if you want to completely remove someting... it works.. apt-get leaves stuff
[10:16] <ivoks> server_: apt-get --purge remove doesn't leave anything
[10:16] <server_> I stand corrected.. Learn something new every day!
[10:16] <mralphabet> server_: a lot of the advantages that aptitude had are now in apt-get
[10:17] <ivoks> right
[10:17] <sahafeez> notice the doc page has ntp but not setting up an ntp server
[10:17] <server_> good to know
[10:17] <ivoks> btw, do-release-upgrade is awsome
[10:17] <server_> what's that?
[10:18] <ivoks> tool for dist upgrading servers
[10:18] <ivoks> from edgy to feisty...
[10:18] <server_> so if I did that on the dapper machine would it give me edgy.. then again to make it to fiesty?
[10:19] <mralphabet> no
[10:19] <ivoks> no, it isn't available in dapper
[10:19] <mralphabet> dapper has to do the dist-upgrade if I remember correctly
[10:19] <sahafeez> anyway to see what services are running like on solaris..
[10:19] <ivoks> it will probably be, when new LTS comes out
[10:19] <mralphabet> ps aux
[10:19] <sahafeez> besides ps -ef | more
[10:19] <mralphabet> netstat -e
[10:19] <server_> oh.. well... dapper's been pretty stable .. probably won't do anything until the next LTs
[10:19] <mralphabet> er netstat -a
[10:19] <sahafeez> ugh, and ugh
[10:20] <sahafeez> someone needs to port svcadm or launchd
[10:20] <ivoks> why?
[10:20] <sahafeez> its is cleaner, works better, etc...
[10:20] <ivoks> cleaner than... ? :)
[10:21] <sahafeez> ps aux
[10:21] <ivoks> sahafeez: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
[10:21] <ivoks> WIP
[10:21] <sahafeez> cool.
[10:23] <sahafeez> have you seen svc on solaris?
[10:23] <ivoks> nope
[10:24] <sahafeez> http://rafb.net/p/5zHwfF84.html
[10:25] <ivoks> right, that's something upstart will do
[10:25] <ivoks> not everything, cause there are tools aleardy for some stuff
[10:25] <sahafeez> then you get this http://rafb.net/p/HZc01578.html
[10:25] <ivoks> like update-rc.d
[10:26] <sahafeez> that is part of the issue with linux. each distro is diff as far as that goes. 
[10:26] <ivoks> you should look at distro as a separate operating system
[10:26] <ivoks> not as linux (all distros)
[10:27] <sahafeez> not that easy sometimes.
[10:27] <ivoks> cause, what's the diff betwean solaris and linux, except kernel?
[10:27] <sahafeez> there are major differences
[10:27] <ivoks> if you don't count licenses :D
[10:27] <ivoks> and different  arguments to programs with same names
[10:27] <sahafeez> solaris was 1st
[10:27] <ivoks> :DD
[10:28] <sahafeez> however that is not the point.
[10:28] <sahafeez> i really would love to ZFS on linux. that would make me jump up and down for joy
[10:28] <ivoks> sun doesn't allow it
[10:28] <sahafeez> no, GPL does not allow it.
[10:28] <sahafeez> sun is fine with it.
[10:29] <sahafeez> the reason that it cannot be in the code is a GPL restriction.
[10:29] <sahafeez> GPL does not allow for you to link to non-gpl code
[10:29] <sahafeez> for the most part. that is the reason that nvidia has that kernel loader nub
[10:30] <sahafeez> ZFS has been ported to freebsd and os x
[10:31] <ivoks_> shawarma: looking at #ubuntu-server, do you think it was a good thing to open it for support to? :)
[10:33] <sahafeez> btw, i am very impressed with ubuntu. as this is the 1st time i have run it. i picked the server over sles and rhel for my network at work and part of the reason was the correct and polite answers in this channel
[10:34] <ivoks_> well, we are new in support :)
[10:34] <ivoks_> this was development-only channel before
[10:34] <mralphabet> correct and polite?
[10:35] <mralphabet> wow, people really stepped up to the plate ;)
[10:35] <ivoks_> and.. we do have code of conduct
[10:35] <sahafeez> well, have you ever tried to get an answer in #gentoo or #openbsd 
[10:35] <mralphabet> sahafeez: no actually heh
[10:36] <sahafeez> the answers in gentoo are useless and the answers in openbsd are correct and rude 
[10:36] <ivoks_> when i used gentoo, i've never asked anything on #gentoo
[10:36] <sahafeez> i did once or twice. got over it.
[10:37] <sahafeez> i do have to admit that i can be a bit rude in openbsd as it is my main os for most things. however the docs are so damn good it gets really annoying when people do not even look at them. 
[10:38] <sahafeez> my biggest issue with ububtu was i did not know were to start, however after getting pointed to the server doc pages i was good to go.
[10:38] <ivoks> help.ubuntu.com
[10:39] <sahafeez> yes, i know. and love it. very well done. 
[10:39] <sahafeez> i am making notes on my pam+samba+ldap setup and hope to contrib them
[10:39] <ivoks> i hate those setups
[10:40] <ivoks> two passwords for same user
[10:40] <sahafeez> well done right there is only one password - in ldap
[10:40] <ivoks> i rather install nfs client on windows clients :)
[10:40] <ivoks> sahafeez: but there are two in ldap
[10:40] <sahafeez> i am replacing an w2k3 srvr and exchange with ubuntu and opengroupware
[10:40] <ivoks> sahafeez: smbpassword and pampassword
[10:41] <sahafeez> i do not care per-say as long as the tool changes both
[10:41] <ivoks> :)
[10:42] <sahafeez> opengroupware talks to ldap to for email, etc. so i need one location if i am going to make this work. has to work a simple as the ms AD stuff. 
[10:42] <ivoks> ad is simple, but unreliable...
[10:43] <sahafeez> windows is windows. i have had the same working setup with no issues for 3 years now. it just started to bork up - thus the move.
[10:44] <sahafeez> i have always stayed away from things like ubuntu because i have a bad taste in my mouth from debain.
[10:44] <ivoks> why? debian is great; thus, ubuntu is great :)
[10:44] <sahafeez> bah. i think i started with debain pre-sarge
[10:44] <sahafeez> rpm and redhate was not much better
[10:45] <sahafeez> i stuck to slackware
[10:45] <sahafeez> then gentoo
[10:45] <mralphabet> I always loved slack
[10:45] <sahafeez> i have my asterisk pbx on it right now.
[10:45] <mralphabet> lack of a decent package manager made me look at something else
[10:45] <ivoks> i always hated gentoo, even while i was using it :)
[10:46] <sahafeez> i will be moving it to ubuntu if this other setup works. i only want one os
[10:46] <sahafeez> i will be down to 2 x ubuntu and 1 x openbsd and very happy
[10:46] <ivoks> one to rule them all xexexe
[10:48] <mralphabet> I need to figure out if 2.6.20 has support for a promise sx4060 yet
[10:50] <ivoks> promise sx...?
[10:50] <sahafeez> ugh, i have been using zfs for so long i forget the format for /etc/exports. ugh...man page here i come
[10:50] <ivoks> urgh... i would rather go to store and buy another one; this is something i actualy do :)
[10:50] <ivoks> mralphabet: it doesn't support
[10:50] <sahafeez> 3ware, repeat after me, 3ware
[10:50] <ivoks> mralphabet: promise changed firmware
[10:50] <ivoks> sahafeez: +++
[10:51] <ivoks> mralphabet: and now it works only with their driver, which they have only for 2.4
[10:51] <sahafeez> ebay it, get a 3ware
[10:51] <mralphabet> sahafeez: it's what I have to work with, doesn't mean I'm happy with it, simply what I have
[10:52] <mralphabet> ivoks: ;(
[10:52] <sahafeez> the windows box i am replacing has a promise. not sure if it is part of the issue. 
[10:52] <ivoks> most probably :D
[10:53] <ivoks> 3ware is best for sata devices
[10:53] <mralphabet> I have 4xide
[10:53] <ivoks> smartd works, they even have their own tool for monitoring, which is great
[10:53] <sahafeez> nfs in zfs - zfs sharenfs=on box/export/home
[10:53] <ivoks> mralphabet: 3ware has IDE controlers too :)
[10:54] <sahafeez> and you are done. no files to edit ;)
[10:54] <sahafeez> i am going to port it myself ;)
[11:22] <server_> back.. thanks for the suggestion on using vsftpd. It's now installed and I can connect but I can't upload any files.  Can you point me in the right direction?
[11:23] <ivoks>  /etc/vsftpd.conf
[11:23] <sahafeez> did you set the right permission on the dir you are uploading to
[11:24] <ivoks> that file is well documented, so you understand what you have to change
[11:24] <server_> it created a directory in the /home/ftp
[11:24] <ivoks> sahafeez: by default upload is disabled
[11:24] <ivoks> server_: open vsftpd.conf and read it, it's easy
[11:24] <server_> i changed that in the config file
[11:24] <ivoks> what did you change?
[11:24] <sahafeez> ah, well then. i thought he would have read the config and it would be permissions
[11:25] <server_> changed local permissions to allow.
[11:25] <ivoks> local_enable=YES
[11:25] <ivoks> ?
[11:25] <ivoks> and:
[11:25] <ivoks> write_enable=YES
[11:25] <server_> yep.
[11:25] <ivoks> this will enable local users to upload and use ftp
[11:26] <ivoks> not anonymous users
[11:26] <server_> I logged in as both a password user and anonymous user .. didn't work either way
[11:26] <ivoks> when you loged in as 'password' user, did you get you home dir?
[11:26] <server_> yes
[11:27] <ivoks> and you couldn't create files in it?
[11:27] <server_> no
[11:27] <ivoks> what ftp client did you use?
[11:27] <server_> gftp
[11:28] <ivoks> you restarted vsftpd service after changing config?
[11:28] <server_> yes
[11:28] <ivoks> are you sure you have write_enable=YES
[11:28] <server_> brb.. I'll double check
[11:31] <server_> yep.. it's enabled.. the config also mentions something about umask is 077 and some ftp clients use 022
[11:31] <ivoks> you should leave umask at 027 or 022
[11:32] <server_> ok
[11:32] <ivoks> that depends on what you want
[11:32] <server_> when I log in using a password it dumps me at /home/server
[11:32] <ivoks> user is server?
[11:32] <server_> which is my user name...duh!
[11:33] <ivoks> that's ok
[11:33] <ivoks> can you download files from ftp?
[11:33] <server_> I'll check.. brb
[11:33] <ivoks> don't tell my you are walking from computer to computer
[11:33] <ivoks> use ssh
[11:33] <shawarma> Er.. No. use ftp. :-)
[11:33] <ivoks> :)
[11:34] <server_> no.. not walking just finger impaired today.
[11:35] <server_> it does up and down from the home directory however when I go to /home/ftp nothing... I had missed that I'd changed directories.
[11:35] <server_> /home/ftp is a ftp "user" directory ?
[11:35] <sahafeez> dumb question. is there a gui/gnome tool for network card management
[11:35] <ivoks> http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2786 - nice
[11:36] <server_> networkmanager
[11:36] <ivoks> server_: no
[11:36] <sahafeez> thanks
[11:36] <ivoks> server_: /home/ftp is for anonymouse users
[11:36] <server_> ok.. that doesn't work locally.
[11:36] <ivoks> of course
[11:37] <ivoks> anonymouse users use existing user on linux
[11:37] <ivoks> and home of that user - /home/ftp
[11:37] <mralphabet> use sftp!
[11:37] <sahafeez> can i move apt-get to apt-get.org and ln apt-get to atitude
[11:37] <ivoks> i thing you don't want anonymouse access
[11:38] <ivoks> sahafeez: you can do whatever you want, but i would advise such a move :)
[11:38] <server_> k... I'll have to read the docs to see how to set up a generic password access and lock things to a specific directory.  I'm trying to set this up for others to send files to me.
[11:38] <ivoks> s/would/wouldn't/ :)
[11:38] <sahafeez> networkmanger is kde
[11:38] <ivoks> sahafeez: not
[11:38] <server_> knetworkmanager i think
[11:39] <ivoks> sahafeez: network-manager is non-GUI
[11:39] <server_> other is gnome
[11:39] <ivoks> shawarma: network-manager-gnome is gnome, and knetworkmanager is kde UI part of it
[11:39] <ivoks> ups...
[11:39] <shawarma> huh?
[11:39] <shawarma> Oh.
[11:39] <shawarma> nm
[11:39] <ivoks> that was for sahafeez 
[11:40] <ivoks> sorry
[11:40] <sahafeez> ah, thanks. learning how to search now with apt
[11:40] <ivoks> apt-cache search; but these are #ubuntu related questions :)
[11:40] <sahafeez> i know...i am reading...
[11:41] <server_> thanks .. I'll read the docs and google for a while ... 
[11:56] <flowolf> fabbione: are you there?
[12:03] <ivoks> 'night