[12:26] <whitelamp> errors*
[12:26] <whitelamp> god dammit
[12:26] <whitelamp> cant even mount a friggin usb
[12:26] <h3sp4wn> kohan-noobie: I believe build-essential should be on the cd
[12:26] <h3sp4wn> Just not installed by default
[12:26] <kohan-noobie> thanks im about to check
[12:27] <ser23> what did you install
[12:27] <whitelamp> i just installed some ntfs drivers for linux
[12:27] <whitelamp> ****.
[12:28] <whitelamp> so, is there anyway i can fix this mounting problems?
[12:30] <ser23> make is located in /usr/bin/
[12:31] <ser23> it works interminal as normal user
[12:31] <kohan-noobie> thx ill look in a sec (booting) 233 here :P
[12:31] <ser23> sat@xubuntu:~$ make
[12:31] <ser23> make: *** Geen doelen opgegeven en geen makefile gevonden.  Gestopt.
[12:31] <ser23> sat@xubuntu:~$
[12:31] <keb> nice it works in dutch
[12:32] <ser23> keb?
[12:32] <kohan-noobie> gazuntite!
[12:32] <odat> hi everyone
[12:32] <keb> mine works in english
[12:32] <keb> hi
[12:32] <odat> does mozplugger embed video ?
[12:32] <keb> mozplugger is a piece of glue that enables embedded video to work
[12:32] <ser23> yes
[12:33] <ser23>  in dutch
[12:33] <keb> you still need the player software i think
[12:33] <odat> well i can't stand the gxine mozilla plugin
[12:33] <odat> i was hoping mozplugger would embed xine in the page
[12:34] <keb> i think mplayer will work via mozplugger
[12:34] <ser23> kohan-expert how is it doing
[12:35] <kohan-noobie> its hangin at logon screen
[12:35] <kohan-noobie> i think 233mhz + 256mb isnt enough
[12:35] <kohan-noobie> i might go back to DSL
[12:35] <Merchelo> what chip?
[12:35] <ser23> try cli
[12:36] <kohan-noobie> cli = no gui, righT?
[12:36] <odat> how heavy is VLC?
[12:36] <ser23> yes
[12:37] <BFTD> better yet, how do i add a solaris installation in grub?
[12:37] <keb> vlc should be pretty light
[12:37] <ser23> bftd can you alreadyy mount?
[12:37] <odat> is vlc light enough for old computers?
[12:37] <BFTD> ser23 no
[12:38] <keb> odat if xubuntu runs, vlc should be ok
[12:38] <ser23> ufs is bsd filesystem for as far as i understand
[12:38] <keb> don't try to play fullscreen 2048x1280 movies though
[12:38] <kohan-noobie> wher is USR/BIN ?
[12:38] <odat> i deal with a lot of older computers that run xubuntu i can get mplayer to run but not well enough to keep audio and video in sync
[12:38] <ser23> where are u now?
[12:39] <odat> since totem and totem plugin continue to break often i need something better
[12:39] <kohan-noobie> thunar root and cd
[12:39] <odat> hoping VLC can handle it
[12:39] <keb> odat : mplayer is a lot of hand crafted assembly it may be the best choice for lean machines
[12:39] <ser23> sat@xubuntu:~$ cd /usr/bin
[12:39] <ser23> sat@xubuntu:/usr/bin$
[12:39] <whitelamp> T.T please help- for some reason i cant mount cds/dvds!
[12:39] <odat> keb, mplayer is heavy as hell doesn't run well on older hardware
[12:39] <ser23> ok thunar so you have gui
[12:40] <keb> strange
[12:40] <kohan-noobie> yea im. noo usr in CD
[12:41] <kohan-noobie> .disk, casper, dists, install, isolinux, pics, pool, preseed
[12:41] <ser23> not cd in filesystem cd means change directory is acommand
[12:41] <ser23> moment
[12:41] <kohan-noobie> oh, lol ok
[12:41] <ser23> found?
[12:42] <odat> anyone?
[12:42] <ser23> click file system
[12:42] <whitelamp> can someone tell me how to change the cmd that you use to mount cds- im getting an invalid mount cmd error response
[12:42] <kohan-noobie> ye im ther in terminal, but wer is it locaed?
[12:42] <whitelamp> please
[12:42] <odat> whitelamp, use synaptic and install gnome-volume-manager
[12:43] <whitelamp> ok
[12:43] <ser23> ok in terminal you ... copy paste what you see
[12:43] <h3sp4wn> kohan-noobie: build essential the stuff should be under pool
[12:43] <odat> whitelamp,  when your done run the command  gnome-volume-properties
[12:43] <ser23> sat@xubuntu:~$  like this
[12:43] <kohan-noobie> im on a windows machine, laptop has no network
[12:43] <h3sp4wn> odat: You need mplayer compiled with all the crazy optimisations
[12:44] <whitelamp> odat...ok will try
[12:44] <h3sp4wn> odat: Have a look at the gentoo ebuild to find out what they are (I have it working fine on a p3-366 for most video files)
[12:44] <keb> wow
[12:44] <odat> h3sp4wn, does your audio and video go out of sync?
[12:45] <h3sp4wn> All worked perfectly when I tried it
[12:45] <h3sp4wn> it was highly riced up though
[12:45] <h3sp4wn> (debian unstable with quite alot of stuff rebuilt)
[12:45] <odat> h3sp4wn, like the apple movie trailers
[12:45] <kohan-noobie> sr23- username@username-pcname:/usr/bin$
[12:46] <h3sp4wn> Do you think there is a high probability I have tried them ?
[12:46] <whitelamp> odat...nope....still getting the error and im on xubuntu, not ubuntu
[12:46] <whitelamp> crap
[12:46] <kohan-noobie>  <h3sp4wn> - pool has many dirs  in it :/
[12:46] <whitelamp> everything else mounts, just not cds
[12:46] <odat> whitelamp, what error?
[12:46] <odat> whitelamp, take the cd out and the put it back in
[12:47] <ser23> ok now enter command  ... ls | more
[12:47] <whitelamp> odat- This error: "cannot mount volume." Invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume."
[12:47] <whitelamp> odat- also
[12:47] <ser23> sat@xubuntu:/usr/bin$ ls | more
[12:48] <whitelamp> odat- "unable to mount "blank dvd+r disc" unknown error.
[12:48] <h3sp4wn> kohan-noobie: try running - sudo apt-cdrom add
[12:48] <keb> yeah you can't mount blanks
[12:48] <whitelamp> ?
[12:48] <whitelamp> how am i going to burn my data then?
[12:48] <whitelamp> crap
[12:48] <kohan-noobie> ser23- makedepend, makeg, make-memtest86-boot-floppy
[12:48] <h3sp4wn> kohan-noobie: then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install build-essential
[12:48] <kohan-noobie> no 'make'
[12:48] <odat> whitelamp, stop trying to mount it  restart your computer take out the disc and once the computer starts up put the disc in
[12:49] <kohan-noobie>  <h3sp4wn> - wout network connectin?
[12:49] <keb> well to burn data you have to use a program such as GnomeBaker or XFBurn
[12:49] <whitelamp> ive already tried that and tried to access it with various burning programs and i still get the same error
[12:50] <odat> whitelamp, did you reboot after you install gnome-volume-manager?
[12:50] <whitelamp> ...
[12:50] <whitelamp> uh...
[12:50] <whitelamp> no. >.>
[12:50] <ser23> so you dont have make command
[12:50] <kohan-noobie> yup i dont
[12:50] <whitelamp> i should reboot...
[12:51] <whitelamp> brb
[12:51] <kohan-noobie> and i cant "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install build-essential" w/out internet, right?
[12:51] <ser23> so i dont know what you wanted with make but you cannot use it
[12:51] <keb> kohan-noobie those will work with the cd
[12:51] <kohan-noobie> can i find build-essentail on CD or can i dload it?
[12:51] <h3sp4wn> apt-cdrom should add the pool
[12:51] <h3sp4wn> from the cd
[12:52] <Sgeo> Is ubuntu-restricted-extras usable from Xubuntu?
[12:52] <ser23> kohan try that apt-cdrom
[12:53] <ser23> sat@xubuntu:~$ apt-cdrom add
[12:54] <kohan-noobie> ?
[12:55] <ser23> do that command
[12:55] <ser23> in terminal
[12:55] <kohan-noobie> ok
[12:55] <kohan-noobie> did
[12:55] <kohan-noobie> then?
[12:55] <h3sp4wn> You would need to prefix sudo
[12:55] <ser23> what it say?
[12:55] <kohan-noobie> sudo apt-cdrom update && sudo apt-get install build-essential
[12:55] <kohan-noobie> ?
[12:55] <ser23> after command apt-cdrom add
[12:56] <kohan-noobie> shit it unmounted
[12:56] <ser23> you where right with sudo
[12:56] <house_> is gxine the lightest movie player out there right now?
[12:56] <h3sp4wn> mplayer is lighter
[12:56] <whitelamp> ok how do i start xfburn
[12:56] <ser23> sat@xubuntu:~$ sudo apt-cdrom add
[12:56] <ser23> Password:
[12:57] <house_> whitelamp what are you trying to burn?
[12:57] <whitelamp> well
[12:57] <ser23> did that kohan
[12:57] <house_> an iso file?
[12:57] <kohan-noobie> ser23- unmount cddrom...Repeat prcoess...
[12:57] <house_> a bin cue?
[12:57] <ser23> moment
[12:57] <kohan-noobie> ser23- unmounting cd-rom...Repeat prcoess...
[12:58] <whitelamp> WOOT
[12:58] <whitelamp> FIXED
[12:58] <keb> :)
[12:58] <whitelamp> FIXED THAT PROBLEM!
[12:58] <whitelamp> >:D
[12:58] <house_> whitelamp, did i help?
[12:59] <whitelamp> ya...
[12:59] <ser23> ok put cd out drive and do again in terminal $ sudo apt-cdrom add
[12:59] <house_> whitelamp, did you configure gnome-volume-manager?
[12:59] <whitelamp> wrong side of disc...(vertical cd slot loader)
[12:59] <whitelamp> >.<
[12:59] <whitelamp> think macbook cd drive type
[12:59] <whitelamp> lol
[12:59] <whitelamp> noobish mistake
[01:00] <ser23> kohan report
[01:00] <kohan-noobie> im rebooting
[01:00] <ser23> ok
[01:00] <kohan-noobie> i tried it and cd didnt eject
[01:00] <ser23> ok
[01:00] <ser23> are you running live cd
[01:01] <ser23> or installed to disc
[01:01] <kohan-noobie> installed to hd
[01:01] <kohan-noobie> 2.2gb isntall drive + 360mb swap
[01:02] <ser23> ok once rebooted empty cd-drive
[01:02] <kohan-noobie> then " sudo apt-cdrom add" and put in cd?
[01:03] <ser23> only command
[01:03] <kohan-noobie> ?
[01:04] <kohan-noobie> no sudo?
[01:04] <kohan-noobie> ?
[01:04] <ser23> sudo apt-cdrom add
[01:04] <ser23> this
[01:05] <ser23> what are doing
[01:05] <kohan-noobie>  sudo apt-cdrom add" and put in cd
[01:05] <kohan-noobie> same
[01:05] <kohan-noobie> identifying
[01:05] <kohan-noobie> scannin index
[01:05] <kohan-noobie> found 2 packs and indexes
[01:05] <kohan-noobie> this dis is called
[01:06] <ser23> good
[01:06] <kohan-noobie> xubunutu 6.06
[01:06] <kohan-noobie> copyin pack list
[01:06] <kohan-noobie> ng DSA key id
[01:06] <ser23> very good
[01:06] <kohan-noobie> gpgv: good sign
[01:06] <kohan-noobie> read pack indedx..done
[01:06] <kohan-noobie> writing new soruce list
[01:07] <kohan-noobie> source list entreies fro this disc are:
[01:07] <kohan-noobie> deb cdrom [Xubunutu release i386/ dapper main restricted
[01:07] <kohan-noobie> Unmount cd=rom..repae thge process for the rest of the cds in your set
[01:08] <kohan-noobie> user@user-pc:-$
[01:08] <kohan-noobie> user@user-pc:-$
[01:08] <kohan-noobie> user@user-pc:-$
[01:08] <kohan-noobie> -------------thats it------------------
[01:08] <kohan-noobie> :/
[01:08] <ser23> ok after your prompt enter this       sudo apt-get install build-essential
[01:09] <kohan-noobie> in what dir?
[01:09] <kohan-noobie> usr/bin ?
[01:09] <keb> doesnt matter
[01:09] <ser23> no where you are now
[01:09] <ser23> keb are you native english speaker
[01:09] <kohan-noobie> CONTINTUE?!!!?
[01:09] <ser23> ?
[01:09] <ser23> yes
[01:10] <keb> yes
[01:10] <kohan-noobie> nvm its says 47mb will be used :D
[01:10] <ser23> im dutch difficult
[01:10] <kohan-noobie> itz woikin! itz woikin!
[01:10] <keb> doing well ser23 :)
[01:10] <ser23> also noob
[01:10] <ser23> kohan report
[01:10] <kohan-noobie> SO "Unmount cd=rom..repae thge process for the rest of the cds in your set" means its MOUNTED? ?
[01:11] <kohan-noobie> its still unpackiing
[01:11] <ser23> i dont no doesnt matter
[01:11] <ser23> very good unpackinng thing
[01:11] <kohan-noobie> done
[01:11] <whitelamp>  what is the command to start the gnome cd master
[01:11] <kohan-noobie> settin up build-essent (11.1) ...
[01:12] <ser23> ow do you feel kohan?
[01:13] <kohan-noobie> i did ls | more and have make :D
[01:13] <ser23> now you can use it
[01:13] <ser23> with de howto on forums
[01:14] <Merchelo> !make
[01:14] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[01:14] <kohan-noobie> Will try. Thanks A LOT :D
[01:14] <keb> whitelamp if you look through the menus you get with a right-click on the desktop you should see a cd-burning app
[01:14] <whitelamp> sorry, i mean what is the cmd to start gnomebaker from xterm
[01:14] <whitelamp> i need the word cmd
[01:14] <ser23> no thanks
[01:14] <whitelamp> need to set it in gnome volume manager
[01:14] <h3sp4wn> use dpkg -L gnomebaker
[01:15] <whitelamp> -L <---?
[01:15] <h3sp4wn> (or better) dlocate -L gnomebaker (presumes it is installed)
[01:15] <ser23> dpkg --help
[01:16] <ser23> man dpkg
[01:16] <ser23> to learn
[01:16] <keb> hmm i don't have dlocate
[01:17] <h3sp4wn> dlocate is faster though for -S and -L
[01:17] <whitelamp> ok got it to work
[01:17] <keb> great
[01:18] <keb> are there compelling reasons to go from Edgy to Feisty?
[01:19] <h3sp4wn> I would do it I guess - its not really that polished
[01:19] <h3sp4wn> but better than edgy
[01:20] <whitelamp> yo
[01:20] <whitelamp> im on feisty right now
[01:21] <whitelamp> and ntfs support is stable
[01:21] <whitelamp> it is stable*
[01:21] <whitelamp> *after you go through trial and error
[01:21] <whitelamp> installing and uninstalling crap
[01:22] <keb> nice; i don't have windows disks though.  is that ntfs-3g?
[01:22] <h3sp4wn> only one os at a time
[01:22] <h3sp4wn> for me
[01:23] <keb> what was "better than edgy" for you?
[01:23] <Morpheus_74> Good news, I was able to get my resolution set to 1024 X 768 @ 75hz( I wanted 85, but I'll settle for 75).  However, my login screen is not 1024 X 768.  Any ideas how I can get the login screen to the same resolution?
[01:24] <ser23> after installing gnu/linux xubuntu feisty fawn 7.04 beta with auto resize partitioning blabla dualboot with windows xp my pc started after using it a couple days
[01:25] <ser23> with constantly rebooting
[01:25] <h3sp4wn> keb: RHEL 5 or etch (higher quality control)
[01:26] <Morpheus_74> The other issue I'm still trying to resolve is the scroll speed.  when I scroll with the mouse button, or the arrow key, it's very choppy and slow.  Any ideas?
[01:26] <ser23> so i removed winxp
[01:26] <ser23> installed feisty
[01:27] <ser23> and everything works OK
[01:27] <ser23> and my wife is commanded to learn linux hehe
[01:30] <whitelamp> ...
[01:30] <whitelamp> i have another problem
[01:30] <whitelamp> lol
[01:30] <ser23> ?
[01:30] <keb> :)
[01:31] <whitelamp> my u3 smart usb drive wont mount
[01:32] <whitelamp> u3=in windows, there is a partition on the usb that autoruns and you get instaportable programs
[01:32] <keb> Morpheus_74 your resolution might need to be set in the xorg.conf rather than as a user preference
[01:32] <whitelamp> how do I delete that partition?
[01:32] <whitelamp> the light just keeps flashing
[01:33] <keb> whitelamp i think on the u3 site there is a program to clean that partition off
[01:34] <keb> ack, gtg. cheers
[01:34] <whitelamp> meh
[01:34] <whitelamp> ill try
[01:34] <ser23> google howto ....
[01:34] <whitelamp> brb
[01:35] <Jester45> im trying to get the desktop effects working i have beryl working but the desktop effects are less cpu intensive so i would like to keep them and not beryl but when i enable them my left mouse button becomes a screen shot tool, it makes a purple drag box then when you release it make a file on the desktop
[01:35] <Jester45> and if i enable the cubed workspaces the right click becomes zoom
[01:36] <Jester45> its very anoying other then the mousebuttons not working/mixed up it works fine
[01:36] <ser23> use arrow and tab to get into de settings
[01:36] <ser23> ?
[01:36] <Jester45> i unenabled the effects im jsut wondering how i could fix it
[01:37] <whitelamp> got rid of the partition
[01:37] <whitelamp> woot
[01:37] <ser23> change setting in beryl settings manager
[01:37] <whitelamp> 3 probs solved!
[01:37] <ser23> whitelamb how did you do?
[01:38] <Jester45> ser23: is the beryl settings messing with the desktop effects?
[01:38] <whitelamp> re-formated the drive twice in windows
[01:38] <ser23> aha well done
[01:38] <whitelamp> got rid of that partion (23 mb)
[01:38] <ser23> jester
[01:38] <Jester45> yes
[01:38] <ser23> what do you have on your system
[01:38] <ser23> xubuntu?
[01:38] <wheels3572> is mplayer the same as kmplayer?
[01:39] <Jester45> ser23: ubuntu right now
[01:39] <whitelamp> now can someone explain to me where the crossover menu is in xubuntu
[01:39] <wheels3572> ser23, you talking to me?  If so yes im using Xubuntu
[01:39] <ser23> goto menu settings or system
[01:39] <Jester45> wheels3572: do you mean gmplayer?
[01:39] <whitelamp> i just installed it and it didnt show up on the menu
[01:39] <wheels3572> Jester45, no i mean kmplayer lol.  I was told to use mplayer to view windows media player clips
[01:39] <ser23> im talking to yyester
[01:39] <wheels3572> and was told to use mplayer
[01:40] <wheels3572> I did a cache search for mplayer and come up with kmplayer
[01:40] <ser23> crossover menu?
[01:41] <Jester45> wheels3572: idk try mplayer-nogui
[01:41] <whitelamp> cant find the menu to start crossover
[01:41] <wheels3572> ok
[01:41] <Jester45> ser23: ok what should i do after that
[01:41] <ser23> look for something called beryl
[01:41] <Jester45> wheels3572: its cli but simple just type mplayer in a terminal then drag the file into it
[01:42] <wheels3572> ok
[01:42] <Jester45> ser23: the beryl setting manger, can i just uninstall beryl or is it needed for the desktop effects
[01:42] <ser23> it is needed for the effects
[01:42] <wheels3572> Jester45, im on cnn website and was clicking on a link that had the video clip is why im asking
[01:43] <Jester45> ser23: ok what if i set it back to defualts
[01:43] <ser23> the beryl setting manger that is the right place for changing settings
[01:44] <Jester45> ser23:  just so you know its applications -> system tools -> beyl settings meanger
[01:44] <ser23> yes that is correct
[01:44] <Jester45> sould i be looking at the shourtcuts section
[01:45] <ser23> no for the zoom function
[01:45] <Jester45> o and the annotate plugin worked but i dont have it enabled in beryl
[01:45] <ser23> and disable or change de settings so yo have leftmousebutton clean
[01:46] <ser23> i think you can handle that
[01:48] <Jester45> i will try reenabling it now
[01:48] <ser23> ok
[01:49] <Jester45> nope
[01:49] <Jester45> didnt help
[01:49] <ser23> im actually using xubuntu with compiz
[01:49] <Jester45> maybe i will just reinstall to get it back to defualts
[01:50] <ser23> what do you have installed
[01:50] <Jester45> beryl
[01:50] <ser23> nothing more?
[01:51] <Jester45> umm
[01:51] <Jester45> nope
[01:51] <ser23> ok
[01:51] <ser23> how did you enable the effects tthe first time?
[01:52] <ser23> ?
[01:53] <Jester45> when to system -> perferances -> desktop effects then clicked enable
[01:53] <ser23> ok i dont have that meenu entry
[01:54] <ser23> but found it ill try to see what happen
[01:54] <Jester45> ser23: remeber your on xubuntu im on ubuntu so the menus are diffrent
[01:54] <ser23> yes i know
[01:55] <Jester45> ok i removed beryl but the effects still work
[01:55] <ser23> yes system build in
[01:55] <Jester45> and i still got the messed up button
[01:55] <ser23> mine works also
[01:56] <ser23> ok try install compiz with synaptic
[01:57] <ser23> and disable desktop effects for now
[01:57] <ser23> remember experrimental software
[01:58] <Jester45> yea
[01:58] <Jester45> it worked fine but the mouse gets messed up
[01:58] <Jester45> does compiz have wobble windows and cube?
[01:58] <ser23> YES
[01:59] <Jester45> what about folding windows over
[01:59] <Jester45> i know beryl is based on it
[02:00] <ser23> sorry bad english dont understand folding
[02:00] <Jester45> i had compiz installed the whole time
[02:00] <Jester45> ser23: umm bending it
[02:00] <ser23> that is your menu entry desktop effects = compiz
[02:00] <ser23> ok under stand
[02:01] <Jester45> o ok
[02:01] <ser23> but no management
[02:01] <ser23> can you use something to search for apps
[02:01] <Jester45> so install the manager
[02:02] <ser23> yes
[02:02] <ser23> appfinder on xubuntu
[02:02] <whitelamp> how do i lower the brightness in vlc
[02:03] <whitelamp> everything's uber-bright
[02:03] <whitelamp> like a lens-flash
[02:03] <ser23> menu settings window manager settings ?
[02:03] <ser23> have to go
[02:04] <ser23> sleep before work
[02:04] <ser23> bye
[02:04] <Jester45> bye
[02:04] <Jester45> darn missed it
[02:09] <gdboling> So I am curious...I have a taskbar full of icons to start apps because I despise desktop icons.  But the taskbar icons are ugly as well.  Any suggestions on a cool / elegant way to clean this up?  Any nice Xfce addons to make this clean?  What is everyone else doing?
[02:11] <whitelamp> i just use the xfce menu and desktop shortcuts
[02:11] <Jester45> custom icons
[02:12] <gdboling> What is the shortcut key to access toeh xfce menu?
[02:12] <Jester45> i use the menu for less used programs and icons for more used ones
[02:13] <gdboling> I've tried using shortcut keys (xbind) but I can't seem to always remember the shortcuts. :)
[02:13] <gdboling> I'd like to use the mouse a bit less just for launching apps
[02:14] <gdboling> thanks for the suggestions.
[02:16] <aro> Anyone know of any open source software that can create ntfs partitions?
[02:17] <Jester45> gparted
[02:17] <Jester45> i think can
[02:33] <chewy> anyone know the name of the program that manages users and groups?
[02:41] <kohan-noobie> chewy- u from xs?
[03:23] <GluE> if my laptop is really old 300mhz, should i run the alternate cd instead of the desktop cd?
[03:24] <Pumpernickel> I recommend it anyway, but the LiveCD is limited by RAM more than cpu speed.
[03:26] <GluE> i tried loading ubuntu on the laptop.. it wont even boot the livecd, it just sits there reading the cd the entire time
[03:26] <GluE> do u thin xubuntu will work?
[03:27] <Pumpernickel> It should.  I can't say for sure, since I don't know the specs of the laptop.
[03:46] <uranther> rhythmbox doesn't work now that i've upgraded to 7.04
[03:46] <uranther> when i try to play an mp3, it segfaults
[03:46] <Jester45> what doesnt work about it
[03:46] <uranther> it crashes...
[03:47] <Jester45> try reinstalling it
[03:47] <Jester45> idk if it will help
[03:47] <GluE> Pumpernickel ill let u know if it works, its booting up right now
[03:48] <uranther> i did
[03:48] <GluE> its taking a really long time to load too
[03:48] <Pumpernickel> Is that the alternate, or the live?
[03:49] <GluE> live
[03:49] <Jester45> well its running from a cd
[03:49] <GluE> *crosses fingers* text on the screen! it might work!
[03:56] <SaveFerris> hey, how can i change auto-start apps from terminal?
[04:03] <GluE> wow this cd drive is soooo slow. i wonder if hooking my external dvd writer into the usb would be any faster ^ . ^
[04:03] <Jester45> do you have usb 2? what speed of cd drive
[04:03] <Jester45> and how much ram
[04:03] <Jester45> if you have more ram it loads more things at once
[04:04] <GluE> its really old, so im sure its usb 1.x, and i think 128 megs of ram but im not sure since its not my laptop
[04:05] <Jester45> well if its 128 its gonna be slow any ways
[04:05] <GluE> its probably just time to the throw the laptop out
[04:05] <Jester45> i wouldnt
[04:05] <Jester45> it probly usfull for somthing
[04:06] <GluE> i just cant believe how slow its loading xubuntu.. i mean i thad windows2000 on it and it flew fine
[04:06] <CebuTux> Hi. I hve problem detecting my LAN on the New Xubuntu version
[04:07] <CebuTux> Can anyone help me?
[04:07] <GluE> if someone can help you, they'll answer :D
[04:08] <CebuTux> If I issue "ifup eth0" error message came out
[04:09] <CebuTux> SIOCSIFADDR: No such device
[04:09] <Jester45> maybe its been umm.. desupported
[04:09] <CebuTux> I'm using a AMD X2 Cpu
[04:09] <CebuTux> IC
[04:10] <Jester45> what kind of device is i
[04:10] <CebuTux> An onboard LAN
[04:10] <Jester45> so ethernet then
[04:10] <CebuTux> Yupz
[04:11] <CebuTux> Is the onboard LAN not supported?
[04:11] <CebuTux> I'll the chipset
[04:11] <CebuTux> *check
[04:12] <Jester45> it probly it
[04:12] <Jester45> i know somtimes wlan devices become upsupported in one version
[04:13] <Jester45> anyone know how to compress all my tcp traffic
[04:13] <CebuTux> My onboard LAN is a Realtel 8201
[04:13] <CebuTux> *Realtek
[04:14] <Jester45> if you google it all there is somthing about tcp compression with ssh like tools and i dont understand that
[04:14] <Jester45> i will look around
[04:14] <CebuTux> Okies
[04:14] <CebuTux> Thanks alot
[04:17] <Jester45> this might help https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=163081
[04:18] <ubotu> Red Hat bug 163081 in kernel "Driver not found for SiS 190/191 MAC + Realtek RTL8201CL 10/100 LAN PHY lan card" [Medium,Closed: currentrelease] 
[04:18] <CebuTux> thanks
[04:19] <Jester45> oo
[04:19] <Jester45> fancy ubotu not stupid for once
[04:21] <GluE> hm, maybe xubuntu isnt going to load :\ its been sitting at just the blue wallpaper for 20 minutes now, and the mouse wont move.. but the cd is still going like mad
[04:23] <Jester45> try the alternative cd
[04:23] <Jester45> that laptop has very low ram for the live cd
[04:24] <Cygnet> wheee, my upgrade went without a hitch :)
[04:24] <GluE> downloading alternate cd right now, ive never done anything but the livecd install, so i hope its ez
[04:25] <GluE> if its anything like a gentoo install, ill fail
[04:25] <Cygnet> when you mount the disc it recognizes it as an alternate CD and offers to start the upgrade
[04:25] <GluE> oh im not upgrading, just want a fresh install
[04:25] <GluE> it has win200 on it atm
[04:25] <GluE> 2000*
[04:25] <Cygnet> I've never used the GUI, and people tell me I'm totally clueless about Linux :p
[04:26] <GluE> lol
[04:26] <Cygnet> the GUI install, that is
[04:26] <GluE> theres like 7 options, ur not missing out on anything
[04:29] <Jester45> GluE: its the same questions at the live cd install in the same order just with out booting to the desktop
[04:29] <GluE> no kiddin... sweet!!!!
[04:29] <Jester45> GluE: have you ever seen cli programs with a gui
[04:29] <Jester45> like aptitude
[04:29] <Jester45> that whatthe install is
[04:30] <GluE> ya i think
[04:30] <Jester45> i use alt install even on my new computers it just faster
[04:30] <Jester45> like my 2gb ram machine it would boot the live cd fine and run fine but it boots to the cli must faster
[04:30] <Jester45> less cd spinning
[04:31] <GluE> icic
[04:33] <Jester45> hum
[04:34] <Jester45> if i have a hub with 4 ports to daisy chain more hub to it could i chain to the same hub so its faster
[04:34] <Jester45> so its a 200mbit
[04:48] <GluE> hell ya, alternate cd ftw!
[05:26] <posingaspopular> wow, so I can't get onto the internet with my wireless card. im on the docs atm, but who's genius idea was it to install xubuntu feisty without network manager
[05:28] <maxamillion> posingaspopular: networkmanager is a gnome application and weighs rather heavy on resources for many of our users
[05:29] <posingaspopular> ah that makes sense
[05:29] <posingaspopular> but i cant get onto the net!
[05:29] <posingaspopular> arg!
[05:29] <maxamillion> posingaspopular: http://spuriousinterrupt.org/projects/airconfig <--- this is being developed for xfce at the moment and we will be looking into trying to get it running default in feisty+1 ... we recommend using wifi-radar for those with slower machines or to go ahead and install network manager and use the included nm-applet
[05:30] <maxamillion> posingaspopular: ohhh ... wifi is your only means of net connection?
[05:31] <posingaspopular> maxamillion: nope, but then i cant use the regular internet for help
[05:34] <maxamillion> posingaspopular: oh .... :(
[05:35] <maxamillion> posingaspopular: well do this in a Terminal on the machine needing wireless "sudp iwlist scan"
[05:35] <maxamillion> posingaspopular: "sudo iwlist scan" (sorry ... i can't type)
[05:35] <posingaspopular> maxamillion: im doing some other work now, so im quiting xubutu for a few minutes, at least activly
[05:35] <maxamillion> ah ok
[05:36] <posingaspopular> "interface doesn't support scanning." for both lo and etho
[05:36] <posingaspopular> maxamillion: no its cool, my other keyboard is on my lap
[05:36] <maxamillion> posingaspopular: "ifconfig -a"
[05:37] <maxamillion> posingaspopular: it doesn't seem as though the wifi card is enabled ... or not detected at all
[05:37] <posingaspopular> maxamillion: well yea, i scanned lspci and it didn't show. but the actual card has power, since i can see the green light going
[05:42] <GluE> are u using a linksys card?
[05:42] <maxamillion> posingaspopular: ah ... hmm, that doesn't entirely mean it has a module loaded ... but normally does ... :/
[05:43] <posingaspopular> d-link
[05:48] <GluE> man.. xubuntu has been installing for over 45 minutes now.. i hope its not stuck at select and install software :(
[05:48] <maxamillion> GluE: what percentage is it sitting at?
[05:48] <GluE> 6%
[05:49] <maxamillion> oh ... hmmm
[05:49] <GluE> its been on that for a while now, pry atleast 10 minutes
[05:49] <GluE> idk how long installs usually take on older laptops, i know on my amd 1600 it its takes like 30 minutes start to finish
[05:49] <GluE> oh phew..
[05:49] <maxamillion> GluE: what cd image are you using and what are the specs of the machine?
[05:49] <GluE> it just shot across the screen
[05:50] <GluE> xubuntu 7.04 alternative cd, on a 300mhz w/ 128 megs of ram
[05:50] <maxamillion> GluE: hmm... well, that checks out ... do ctrl+alt+f1 and see if there is any output
[05:52] <GluE> that didnt do anything :\
[05:52] <GluE> but it should be ok, its running again
[05:55] <maxamillion> well that's good
[06:06] <Catoptromancy> did someone just say ctrl+alt+f1?
[06:06] <Catoptromancy> heh
[06:07] <Yggdrasil> does xubuntu havea file manager ?
[06:07] <posingaspopular> thonar
[06:07] <posingaspopular> iirc
[06:07] <maxamillion> Yggdrasil: yea ... called Thunar
[06:07] <Catoptromancy> thunar!
[06:07] <Yggdrasil> thunar huh
[06:07] <maxamillion> posingaspopular: close ;)
[06:07] <maxamillion> Yggdrasil: yeah
[06:07] <maxamillion> !Thuanr
[06:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about thuanr - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:07] <maxamillion> lol
[06:07] <Yggdrasil> is it any good ?
[06:08] <maxamillion> Yggdrasil: i know Gnome users who use it because they think its better than nautilus
[06:08] <Catoptromancy> very decent, though i havent tried any others
[06:08] <maxamillion> Yggdrasil: only thing is that it doesn't support samba browsing (yet)
[06:08] <Yggdrasil> intersting, i have an old imac somone gave me, got xubuntu on it and it seems pretty decent
[06:09] <Yggdrasil> and i was just wonderng about that. thanks
[06:09] <Yggdrasil> tried flux on it , then i realized i didnt have a right click button :-X
[06:10] <BFTD> !info thunar
[06:10] <ubotu> thunar: File Manager for Xfce. In component main, is optional. Version 0.8.0-0ubuntu6 (feisty), package size 357 kB, installed size 3192 kB
[06:12] <Harpette> The option to test the Feisty CD doesn't seem to work for me: it starts the live CD instead
[06:12] <GluE> lol
[06:13] <Harpette> knon pbm?
[06:13] <Harpette> known
[06:13] <Yggdrasil> thunar is doing my samba mounted drives that are in /media
[06:14] <GluE> Harpette, not that ive heard, did u check the cd b4 u burned it?
[06:14] <maxamillion> Yggdrasil: yeah ... if you have them mounted via fusesmb, mountsmb, etc. it will display them but it just doesn't have built in samba mount/browse functionality
[06:14] <Harpette> GluE: you mean the checksums?
[06:14] <Yggdrasil> i see
[06:14] <GluE> Harpette, ya
[06:15] <Harpette> GluE: no i didn't, 'couldn't find the MD5 sums anywhere: i got it via the bittorrent link http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/feisty/release/desktop/ and the http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/feisty/release/ site is unavailable
[06:16] <Yggdrasil> ok thanks
[06:21] <kohan-noobie> hey
[06:21] <kohan-noobie> is ther a way to kill the gui
[06:21] <kohan-noobie> as in
[06:22] <kohan-noobie> make it less grpphic
[06:22] <kohan-noobie> cuz its slow as hell w/ just 3-4 windows open
[06:22] <kohan-noobie> 233mhz 256mb here
[06:22] <GluE> /etc/init.d/gdm stop ?
[06:22] <maxamillion> GluE: i think it restarts itself
[06:23] <GluE> hm idk..
[06:23] <Harpette> kohan-noobie: try not running a desktop environment on a low-end system, use just a window manager, like Fluxbox
[06:24] <Harpette> or WindowMaker
[06:36] <idiocrash> man, xubuntu feisty is soooo nice!
[06:37] <posingaspopular> idiocrash: it's pretty alright
[06:37] <maxamillion> idiocrash: we try :)
[06:37] <idiocrash> it is so polished!
[06:37] <vimalg2> hey guys do ou know any good mirrors for Xubuntu Feisty ISo
[06:37] <idiocrash> you guys are xubuntu devs?
[06:37] <vimalg2> cdimage.ubuntu.com and cdimages.ubuntu.com seem to be down
[06:38] <maxamillion> vimalg2: our mirrors should be updated by tomorrow and i will be posting them on the website, let me get you one i know of that already grabbed the new images
[06:38] <maxamillion> idiocrash: i'm a contributor and do some admin stuffs ... but not an actual dev
[06:38] <Cable86> i have the torrent file for it
[06:39] <Cable86> in case you want to go the bittorrent route, which i would recommend
[06:39] <idiocrash> maxamillion: well, no matter. I thank you for your efforts. It's almost like xubuntu was made just for me!
[06:40] <vimalg2> maxamillion: Thanks a bunch. I kind of get the feeling that Xubuntu doesn't get as much support as the rest of the *ubuntus. I'm behind a firewall so bittorent isn't viable
[06:40] <maxamillion> idiocrash: glad you think so :)
[06:40] <maxamillion> vimalg2: this one already has the updates and should be officially posted on the website tomorrow http://ubuntu-cdimage.datahop.it/xubuntu/releases/7.04/release/
[06:40] <Cable86> vimalg2: you have no way of forwarding the ports on said router?
[06:40] <vimalg2> maxamillion: What would we old laptop users do without Xubuntu? ::)
[06:41] <maxamillion> vimalg2: its in the UK ... our USA mirror dropped off the face of the eard and we are working on getting a new one in the states .... we also have others around the globe
[06:41] <Cable86> maxamillion: lol, did you just up and die?
[06:41] <Cable86> maxamillion: *it, not you
[06:41] <vimalg2> Cable86: Actually i'm using a GPRS/EDGE link from my cell phone operator. Bittorent clients seem to have a very hard time getting incoming connections
[06:41] <maxamillion> vimalg2: have a over qualified paper weight ;)
[06:41] <Cable86> gotcha
[06:42] <maxamillion> Cable86: well we think the person who was hosting it for us just stopped paying the bill for his bandwidth on the server so it just got cut off
[06:42] <Cable86> wow, that sucks
[06:42] <vimalg2> maxamillion: what about canonical's servers? cdimage.ubuntu.com seem to be having downtime too.. strange
[06:43] <Cable86> yeah, cdimage site is down for me as well
[06:43] <maxamillion> vimalg2: not sure why they are down ... i know they were under heavy load recently, maybe they lost a hard drive in the process or something
[06:44] <posingaspopular> try googling for a local mirror
[06:44] <vimalg2> maxamillion: woot!! excellent mirror(at least for my low bandwidth POV)
[06:45] <vimalg2> maxamillion: Does wget have an option to specify multiple mirrors for a single file a.k.a getright /GUI download managers?
[06:46] <maxamillion> vimalg2: not that i know of .... but i'm far from a wget expert
[06:47] <vimalg2> I guess broadband users just use their browsers to download stuff...
[06:47] <vimalg2> ;)
[06:47] <Cable86> vimalg2: you could dl/use wxdownloadfast
[06:48] <maxamillion> yeah ... i use my browser :)
[06:48] <Cable86> http://dfast.sourceforge.net/
[06:48] <vimalg2> Cable86: isn't that a frontend for wget? I tried it out a long while back when i tested the water of Ubuntu. I'm ready to switch full-time now
[06:49] <GluE> hm.. xubuntu detects my wireless card as a ethernet controller.. is that right? (trying to troubleshoot why its not working)
[06:49] <Cable86> vimalg2: i believe youre thinking of gwget
[06:49] <Cable86> !find gwget
[06:49] <ubotu> Found: gwget
[06:49] <Cable86> pfft...no description
[06:49] <vimalg2> lol
[06:50] <Cable86> anyway, gwget is a graphical frontend to wget
[06:50] <Cable86> wxdfast is like getright...it dl's files in segments and such
[06:50] <vimalg2> Cable86: you're right. It takes a while to bring up sourceforge pages in the third-world
[06:50] <Cable86> vimalg2: out of curiosity, where are you?
[06:51] <vimalg2> Cable86: Kerala, India.
[06:51] <vimalg2> Kerala is a popular (sudders) tourist destination
[06:51] <Cable86> lol
[06:52] <vimalg2> I guess my I.P address will show my geo-location as Banalore, india. Thats my cell phone operators gateway
[06:52] <Cable86> i see
[06:53] <vimalg2> Off-topic: I have this Linux phone from Motorola. Its cool for hacking about with... but it still doesnt have a native PPP dial-up profile that I can use with pppconfig.
[06:54] <vimalg2> So much for linux compatibility. lol
[06:54] <Cable86> lol
[06:54] <vimalg2> Once i fgure out IP forwarding on that gizmo, windoze is off my HDD for good.
[06:54] <Cable86> i wish i could get rid of windows, but i still play games that i need it for
[06:55] <Cable86> otherwise it would have been gone about a year ago
[06:57] <vimalg2> Cable86: I plan on leaving it at the extreme FAR end of my disk(just in case i feel like a round of Worms World Party)
[06:57] <maxamillion> vimalg2: which one is it? i have an A780
[06:57] <vimalg2> Besides, I think a PS2 is a more fun/affordable option
[06:57] <maxamillion> Cable86: what games?
[06:57] <vimalg2> maxamillion: You too? I have an A780 Non-gps.
[06:57] <vimalg2> woot
[06:57] <Cable86> mostly World of Warcraft at the moment :-D
[06:58] <posingaspopular> Cable86: you can run WoW under linux just fine
[06:58] <vimalg2> maxamillion: Does motorolafans have an IRC channel(official/unofficial)?
[06:58] <maxamillion> vimalg2: not sure ... never really looked
[06:58] <Cable86> posingaspopular: yup, i do that as well...however, i need Vent, and it just does not work under linux :-(
[06:59] <maxamillion> vimalg2: i used it for a while but i couldn't find the media server addresses so i was only getting half the functionality i pay for in my subscription with that phone ... so now i just have it in the box on my book shelf as a backup
[07:00] <vimalg2> maxamillion: it was fun.... getting root on it and trying to edit the Emergency Numbers list(failed lame attempt)
[07:00] <Cable86> i really wish there was a Vent version for linux....their site has said its "Under Development" for over 1.5 years now
[07:00] <maxamillion> vimalg2: lol
[07:01] <GluE> is there a webpage for troubleshooting ur wireless internet?
[07:01] <vimalg2> maxamillion: had a lot of fun with this :http://www.troodon.org/a780/a780-linux-howto.htm
[07:01] <maxamillion> Cable86: vent? ... like steam?
[07:01] <Cable86> maxamillion: no...Vent is a VOIP client like Teamspeak
[07:01] <Cable86> except nobody i know uses teamspeak
[07:01] <maxamillion> ohhhh yeah yeah
[07:01] <vimalg2> cant find anything after googling for Vent+game
[07:01] <vimalg2> oh
[07:02] <Cable86> http://www.ventrilo.com/
[07:02] <Cable86> called Ventrilo, but everyone just calls it Vent
[07:02] <vimalg2> There seems to be wayy lots of options for VOIP on Linux/FOSS
[07:02] <posingaspopular> what is Vent Cable86
[07:03] <Cable86> posingaspopular: check out this web site http://www.ventrilo.com/
[07:03] <posingaspopular> ah i see. very nice software
[07:04] <Cable86> yes it is
[07:04] <maxamillion> Cable86: http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iAppId=2169 <--- runs on linux via wine :)
[07:04] <Cable86> maxamillion: actually ive tried that too....i can get audio output working, but i cannot get it so that i can talk to others
[07:05] <maxamillion> ah ... that would put a damper on a conversation
[07:05] <vimalg2> what sort of referrer URL do webmasters get when we click a Link from an IRC channel?
[07:05] <Cable86> and also, the push-to-talk key only works when the window is in focus
[07:05] <vimalg2> hmm
[07:12] <Cable86> so who here is running 7.04?
[07:15] <vimalg2> getting there... i.f.f I get the ISO
[07:16] <vimalg2> anyone tried Geany? are there any other good lightweight code-editors in GTK/GTK2?
[07:17] <vimalg2> what are Eclipse
[07:17] <ceil420> Crimson Editor is a professional source code editor for Windows.
[07:17] <ceil420> -_-
[07:17] <vimalg2> what are Eclipse's library dependencies? pretty bloated.
[07:18] <GluE_> how do i edit my wireless settings, its showing up under network manager?
[07:18] <vimalg2> Cant really run Eclipse on 256 MB RAM
[07:20] <malnilion> I have a strange question that might actually be really stupid.  Is there a command to run a process on a single core of one's processor only?
[07:20] <Cable86> vimalg2: nope...Eclipse is written in java, so it will definitely use some memory
[07:21] <Cable86> !eclipse
[07:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about eclipse - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:21] <Cable86> !find eclipse
[07:21] <ubotu> Found: eclipse, eclipse-cdt, eclipse-common-nls, eclipse-efj, eclipse-gcj (and 18 others)
[07:21] <Cable86> !info eclipse
[07:21] <ubotu> eclipse: Extensible Tool Platform and Java IDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.2.2-0ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 124 kB, installed size 412 kB
[07:25] <maxamillion> vimalg2: i do all my coding in Geany
[07:25] <maxamillion> vimalg2: in Java, C/C++, and Python ... all in Geany, i love it
[07:29] <GluE_> ive read just to install the windows drivers for my realtek 8180 wireless.. but how do i go about doing that.. im assuming using something like ndswrapper?
[07:32] <shenmue> xubuntu 704 always mount ntfs partition (which is not in /etc/fstab) on hard disk, how can i disable this feature?
[07:35] <maxamillion> GluE_: yeah
[07:35] <maxamillion> shenmue: probably going to be in the hal or pmount configs somewhere
[07:36] <GluE_> maxamillion, i get an error after ndiswrapper -i NET8180.INF
[07:36] <GluE_> "no versions of ndiswarpper found!"
[07:36] <GluE_> and i just.. sudo apt-get ndiswrapper-common
[07:36] <maxamillion> GluE_: did you install ndiswrapper?
[07:36] <GluE_> ya ^
[07:36] <GluE_> i just did, i dont need to reboot do i
[07:36] <shenmue> maxamillion: i only find /etc/pmount.allow file :(
[07:37] <maxamillion> GluE_: yeah, ndiswrapper-common just installs the common files ... you have to do "sudo aptitude install ndiswrapper-utils" i think
[07:39] <GluE_> maxamillion, just installed utils, still same error.. no versions found
[07:39] <maxamillion> GluE_: try "sudo aptitude install ndiswrapper-utils-1.9" (or 1.1)
[07:41] <Cable86> GluE_: you might want ndisgtk as well...its a frontend for ndiswrapper
[07:41] <GluE_> im reading the installin the ndiswrapper guide on wiki.. its saying make sure u have the wireless tools installed..
[07:41] <malnilion> maxamillion, you're a smart guy (and have helped me before), do you know how to force a program to run on a single core? :)
[07:42] <GluE_> "couldnt create /etc/ndiswrapper/net8180: Permission denied at /usr/sbin/ndiswrapper-1.9 line 146"
[07:42] <GluE_> new error
[07:46] <Catoptromancy> sudo commandhere
[07:46] <Catoptromancy> took me awhile to get ndiswrapper working the first time
[07:46] <Catoptromancy> second time minutes
[07:48] <Catoptromancy> http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/InstallDebian
[07:49] <maxamillion> malnilion: ah ... you want to set an affinity mask ... and no, not off the top of my head :(
[07:49] <maxamillion> GluE_: "sudo ndiswrapper -i whatever.something" gave an error?
[07:50] <GluE_> ya!
[07:50] <Cable86> shenmue: there is a GUI config dialog for that somewhere, but im not on my xubuntu box atm
[07:50] <maxamillion> GluE_: that's really strange
[07:51] <GluE_> one max, im troubleshooting
[07:51] <maxamillion> i'm sorry ... i have to go, i need sleep ... i have early class tomorrow
[07:51] <maxamillion> okies
[07:51] <maxamillion> GluE_: best of luck ... i'll be back tomorrow
[07:52] <GluE_> gerrr
[07:52] <Catoptromancy> I just took a folder off my wireless net CD that had 3 files. Put the folder on HD, right click in folder. "sudo ndiswrapper -i filename.inf"
[07:52] <Catoptromancy> i think it was -i
[07:52] <GluE_> it says its already installd.. then i ndiswrapper -l and it says invalid driver!
[07:52] <Catoptromancy> are there more drivers on CD?
[07:52] <GluE_> no, just 3 files
[07:52] <Catoptromancy> mine had 3 folders of different versions
[07:53] <GluE_> the .inf .sys and .txt
[07:53] <Catoptromancy> hmm mine didnt have txt but had a .cat
[07:55] <GluE_> well its for sure saying the driver is installed.. but when i check the version, it says invalid driver
[07:55] <GluE_> and i know its the right driver
[07:55] <Catoptromancy> try going to system> networking and see if you can connect
[07:56] <GluE_> nothings there :(
[07:56] <GluE_> only the modem connection, nothing about the wireless card.. im sure thats my problem
[07:57] <GluE_> i just need to check my settings
[07:57] <GluE_> and set them to obtain automatically, and im sure it will accept the connection
[07:59] <shenmue> Cable86: in the "Settings" of xfce menu?
[07:59] <Cable86> i believe so, somewhere in there should be a removable media automount setting
[08:13] <shenmue> Cable86: i did not find such thing in the menu...
[08:14] <Cable86> shenmue: hmm....im not sure what to tell you, and i cant check for you right now either :-(
[08:14] <shenmue> Cable86: thanks all the same :)
[08:18] <GluE_> i get an error "inappropriate ioctl for device" when i try to remove an invalid with ndiswrapper
[08:20] <lkthomas> hey guys
[08:20] <lkthomas> after I upgrade my xubuntu to 7.0x
[08:21] <lkthomas> my xfce4-terminal act very strange
[08:21] <lkthomas> as I am using dual monitor
[08:21] <lkthomas> left side monitor having no problem to max or min the terminal window
[08:21] <lkthomas> but then if I move to right monitor
[08:21] <lkthomas> and max it
[08:22] <lkthomas> the window crash into couple of pieces
[08:22] <lkthomas> anyone have idea why ?
[08:24] <GluE_> wow i have no clue, i cant even get my internet to work
[08:38] <lkthomas> GluE_, WTF ? internet have no related with xfce at all
[08:39] <GluE_> lol i know
[08:42] <Arkh> lkthomas, do you have 3d acc now?
[08:51] <lkthomas> not sure, I am using default ATI driver which is built-in on xorg
[08:55] <lkthomas> that sucks
[08:55] <lkthomas> gdb and strace can't found anything
[09:06] <meeogee> #bittorrent
[09:20] <Rich_li_ny> DNS settings keep changing on there own.   Resulting in me not being able to surf web or get email.  This morning I logged on to PC.... same problem.  So I went to: System >>> Networking and clicked on it so that I could reenter my DNS information... and system wouldn't let me.  It said "Failed to run network_admin user as root. The underlying authorization mechanism (sudo) does now allow you to run this program.  Contact the system Admini
[09:41] <chewy> i dled samba, i can see other comp and files, i can delete files on the other comp but i cant copy and paste files lol...im using xffm, what do i need to do to copy?
[09:41] <chewy> can thunar view networks?
[10:19] <blizz> hi
[10:19] <blizz> umm, what does "rc" mean in dpkg -l?
[10:20] <blizz> ahh, remaining configs
[10:21] <blizz> or better, removed and configs
[10:24] <crdlb> my guess is "residual configuration"
[10:33] <nraic__> Hi, Im trying to get the nvidia drivers work on Feisty 64 bit, after installing, X does not start
[10:35] <predaeus> did you install from package manager or by hand?
[10:35] <nraic__> from package manager
[10:36] <predaeus> hm I just used Applications/System/restricted drivers manager
[10:36] <predaeus> on this fresh install. else I think you need linux-restricted-modules and also nvidia-glx. and a reboot.
[10:37] <predaeus> or module unload/reload, x-restart.
[10:37] <nraic__> yeh after that, reboot, X doesnt load, tell me somthing is wrong with the driver specificed and driver installed
[10:37] <nraic__> ok
[10:38] <predaeus> yea I had that too sometimes, somehow borked it. try removing everything related to the drivers (restricted...., -glx, and so on) and reinstall. else I've no idea sorry, Not familiar enough with path structure and where it is looking first for what. You could also try to install the drivers from the nvidia site, directly without package but that could be even more messy sometimes.
[10:40] <nraic__> yeh, the package given from the site i cant fun
[10:41] <nraic__> run*
[10:42] <Rich_li_ny> <<< MAIN Problem SOlved..  :)
[10:48] <torkiano> hello all, how change the gdm' language?I selected spanish with language selector but gdm is still in english
[10:49] <nraic> Whats the diffrence between the nv driver and the nvidia driver?
[10:50] <grazie> nraic: nv is open source, nvidia is closed source (by nvidia)
[10:50] <nraic> if I want to use a nvidia driver do i need to uninstall the nv driver
[10:51] <grazie> no
[10:51] <nraic> I tired installing the nvidia and restricted driver manager and turned it on last time
[10:51] <nraic> got problems starting x
[10:53] <grazie> nraic: if you post your /var/log/Xorg.0.log on pastebin someone may be able to help you fix it
[10:53] <grazie> paste | nraic
[10:53] <grazie> !aste | nraic
[10:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about aste - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:54] <grazie> !paste | nraic
[10:54] <ubotu> nraic: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:54] <nraic> how does the log work, since i copied my back over the orginal xorg.conf?
[10:56] <predaeus> it just logs the last X run.
[10:56] <grazie> nraic: not sure I follow you. every time you run X the details the details are logged to /var/log/Xorg.0.log (which is backed up)
[10:57] <nraic> What I did was cp my back of xorg.conf over the stuffed one since the last fail start, just wondering if this will effect it
[10:57] <grazie> nraic: doesn't matter
[10:58] <nraic> grazue, do you want to look at the log
[10:59] <nraic> grazie*
[10:59] <nraic> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17186/
[11:00] <grazie> nraic: I mean it will not effect the logging process. I can look yes. Can promise to fix....your using 64 bit? I have no knowledge on this platform
[11:00] <nraic> grazie, thats correct, 64 bit
[11:02] <grazie> nraic: this line is your problem >> (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
[11:07] <grazie> The impatience of some people...nraic will not be getting help from me again.
[11:15] <nraic> Any people here use nvidia settings, I need some help with tv out
[11:20] <Rich_li_ny> Unable to configure users: I go to: System >>> Users... and enter password when prompted .. I get message:  "Failed to run network_admin user as root. The underlying authorization mechanism (sudo) does now allow you to run this program.  Contact the system Administrator.   I am entering the correct password.. what is wrong?
[11:20] <Rich_li_ny> Is there a way to configure users from root????
[11:23] <darrend_laptop> Rich_li_ny: does "grep ^admin /etc/group" show your username in the group
[11:23] <darrend_laptop> ?
[11:24] <grazie> Rich_li_ny: you should be able to config users from the first user account which is given admin privs
[01:10] <bart_17> which is better to download the desktop or the alternate iso??
[01:13] <Naughtyboy> bart_17, : I guess it's a matter of taste....but I prefer the alternate iso....and then do a textmode install
[01:15] <grazie> bart_17: as Naughtyboy says. Alternate cd will work on low ram machines and can be used to upgrade, but has no live facility. The Desktop is the converse of this
[01:16] <bart_17> oh ok thanx..
[01:17] <bart_17> except for the live cd part everthing is exactly the same??
[01:17] <predaeus> I think there are more options while installing but never seen it so not sure.
[01:18] <predaeus> but the desktop one is nice for booting as a backup if things go wrong
[01:18] <bart_17> ok...
[01:19] <bart_17> anyway i need you opinion since i'm a newbee... im thinking of installing a xubuntu or kubuntu os... what are the pros and cons if you compare the two?
[01:20] <grazie> bart_17: no, but in most repects from a users point of view, yes. The point about ram is important though. If you've less that 192mb you will not be to install from the Desktop
[01:21] <bart_17> grazie: how about interms of drivers?? im thinking of installing it on my asus a6r laptop and my desktop pc.. both have 1gig of ram...
[01:22] <predaeus> !kubuntu > bart_17
[01:22] <predaeus> !xubuntu > bart_17
[01:22] <grazie> bart_17: the base os is the same for both versions. so drivers should make any difference
[01:22] <grazie> shouldn't* ^^
[01:22] <bart_17> ok thanx
[01:23] <bart_17> grazie: i have read in forums that kde is quite bloated... is there any truth to this?
[01:24] <bart_17> is xubuntu faster than kubuntu?? what would i be missing if i would opt for xubuntu and not kubuntu?
[01:27] <predaeus> bart_17, you can install and run most kde applications on xubuntu and run them there I think and vice versa.
[01:27] <Naughtyboy> bart_17, : well..there is more GUI frontends in KDE for system settings e.t.c ...so essentially you have to do more configfile settings in xubuntu...however there is options to download equivalents in synaptic.
[01:27] <grazie> bart_17: In my opinion kde is bloated. I also don't like the kde interface. However, kde apps are often well written. As you have a high spec. machine it's simplely a matter of whether you prefer kde or xfce, how much resource you're happy for the os to use, but xubuntu will be faster on any machine. Suggest you d/l a live cd for both and play
[01:27] <predaeus> bart_17, if you can't decide between kubuntu and ubuntu, probably just decide for ubuntu
[01:28] <predaeus> *kubuntu and xubuntu
[01:31] <bart_17> ok thanx..
[01:41] <h3sp4wn> I would go for xubuntu (slightly) less bloated
[01:49] <bart_17> does anybody have an experince installing to an asus a6r?
[01:50] <qudama> can i install xubuntu to my P 133 Mhz, 64 Mb RAM box?
[01:52] <Merchelo> i've heard of people haveing problems with systems that have more than that tbh. but if the live CD runs properly, then installation should be ok. The liveCD needs 256-~350mb ram to run though.
[01:54] <pleia2> qudama: it'll be slow, but you can do it - just use the alternate CD when you install, it has a text-based installer that'll run
[01:54] <qudama> pleia2: ok thnx 4 info
[01:58] <lsin> Hi, can anyone help me a second please?
[01:59] <h3sp4wn> qudama: fluxbox would probably work better than xfce
[02:00] <qudama> h3sp4wn: I'll try it
[02:00] <h3sp4wn> http://fluxbuntu.org/
[02:02] <Merchelo> lsin: PROBLEM?
[02:03] <lsin> Well... maybe it could sound weird asking this here, but... I've installed xubuntu feisty in spanish, but there are some parts that are still in english (gdm, gaim, some menus..) How can I fix this? :S
[02:04] <predaeus> probably they haven't been localized yet, but unlikely for gdm, gaim and spanish...weird
[02:04] <lsin> I know gaim and gdm are in spanish, so...
[02:05] <lsin> Im going to try to install  language-pack-gnome-es
[02:05] <lsin> one sec plz
[02:05] <predaeus> yea probably also language-support-es
[02:05] <predaeus> ah well thats a meta package, might give all that is needed
[02:06] <lsin> ok
[02:06] <predaeus> oh man there is Klingon packages :-D
[02:06] <grazie> lsin: If you got Spanish already, the language will already be installed. I've heard of this problem before....think you'll need to delete an xfce config file
[02:07] <grazie> lsin: #xubuntu-es is more likely to know exactly which file(s)
[02:07] <grazie> !es
[02:07] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[02:07] <lsin> But now there are only one guy, with the same problem that me x-D
[02:08] <grazie> lsin: on all the channels? It'll be the same fix for all *ubuntu
[02:09] <grazie> lsin: actually it will be different for each distro
[02:10] <bart_17> how can i setup ubuntu so that i can view my shared folders on my windows box?
[02:10] <lsin> one second please
[02:11] <grazie> !mount | bart_17
[02:11] <ubotu> bart_17: Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[02:11] <grazie> !fstab | bart_17
[02:11] <ubotu> bart_17: The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[02:12] <YogSothoth> Hi!
[02:12] <grazie> !botsnack
[02:12] <ubotu> Yum!
[02:12] <predaeus> they should script it so that you have to feed it from time to time *g*
[02:12] <YogSothoth> Is there any tool like meld (http://meld.sourceforge.net/) but GTK-only? Meld is a GNOME app and requires all GNOME libs :(
[02:13] <bart_17> grazie.. i meant my shared folder on my windows box on my lan
[02:13] <grazie> !samba | bart_17
[02:13] <ubotu> bart_17: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[02:14] <grazie> bart_17: Tools available are thunar + fusesmb, pyNeighborhood and linNeighborhood
[02:16] <bart_17> thanx...
[02:17] <bart_17> will it be hard??
[02:18] <grazie> bart_17: tricky maybe....and maybe unreliable
[02:20] <bart_17> i really have no choice in the matter as the 2 units in the lan are ofc pcs used for business and they only have windows programs
[02:24] <bart_17> grazie: would it be easy to setup, once i switch to linux, a media playes that can play divx/xvid/matroska? anmy suggestions?
[02:25] <h3sp4wn> I need to update my motherboards bios (and they only provide a windows flashing utility - not even dos based which would be easier :/)
[02:25] <h3sp4wn> highly annoying
[02:27] <grazie> h3sp4wn: ... and still seeing similar things will router firmware flashing etc, etc,
[02:27] <jsgotangco> hi guys dumb question but where is the volume control for xfce?
[02:28] <grazie> bart_17: not sure what you're asking...most codecs (but not all) are support on x86 linux. use the player you prefer
[02:29] <Merchelo> right click on the menu bar jsgotangco and click add item, scroll down, and add volume control
[02:29] <grazie> jsgotangco: I think the most elegant solution is to add the volume control applet to the panel...as Merchelo says ^^
[02:29] <jsgotangco> ahh shucks i feel dumb
[02:29] <h3sp4wn> grazie: You can usually flash routers thru a ttl serial (so that is ok)
[02:30] <h3sp4wn> for me anyway (as I have one)
[02:30] <Merchelo> jsgotangco: we all have our dumb days.
[02:30] <h3sp4wn> or tftp
[02:30] <jsgotangco> thanks
[02:32] <grazie> h3sp4wn: iirc, netgear only provide flash updates using dos/windows tools
[02:34] <h3sp4wn> I have a few netgear wgt634u's that I upgraded from the cfe (to openwrt)
[02:43] <bart_17> grazie: do i have to istall codecs manually to watch divx/xvid/matroska on ubuntu?
[02:44] <h3sp4wn> my mplayer can play them without any codecs (64 bit mplayer) (at least the first 2)
[02:46] <bart_17> does it come with fiesty??
[02:46] <h3sp4wn> !info mplayer
[02:46] <ubotu> mplayer: The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux. In component multiverse, is extra. Version 2:1.0~rc1-0ubuntu9 (feisty), package size 3966 kB, installed size 10000 kB
[02:48] <grazie> bart_17: ... also vlc comes with it's own codecs, but whether the ubuntu package is built with matroska support, I don't know. vlc does support it
[02:49] <bart_17> thanx grazie
[02:49] <bart_17> thanx h3sp4wn
[02:50] <h3sp4wn> !w32codecs
[02:50] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[02:50] <h3sp4wn> if you want those you can get them from there
[02:50] <bart_17> i'm thinking of taking the plunge and switching to linux...
[02:52] <h3sp4wn> better to do it completely if you are going to do it
[02:52] <h3sp4wn> (dual boot is a waste as you will probably use one or the other alot more often)
[02:53] <grazie> dunno...no harm in sittings on the fence for a while. all the best things in life take a while to appreciate
[02:54] <h3sp4wn> Has to be all of nothing for me
[02:54] <bart_17> yeah.. i used to dual boot but i gave it up.. a few years back i baought a mandrake 9.0 powerpack but i never got the hang of it..
[02:54] <bart_17> there where several programs that i could not find a replacement
[02:57] <grazie> no alternative for memory-map which I use a lot, but now runs very well with wine (due to recent wine upgrade)...faster than windows!
[02:59] <bart_17> grazie: what flavor of linux do you have installed?
[02:59] <grazie> bart_17: do you mean what flavours?
[02:59] <bart_17> kubuntu/ubuntu/xubuntu?
[03:00] <bart_17> do all of your machines run linux?
[03:03] <grazie> On ppc gentoo, arch, xubuntu (edgy&fesity) and rarely used ubuntu(dapper). On x86 arch, sam and rarely used xubuntu (edgy)
[03:05] <bart_17> thanx
[03:05] <bart_17> what is ur x86 setup??
[03:06] <grazie> bart_17: what do you mean by setup?
[03:07] <bart_17> what do you have inside your x86 box... if you don't mind me asking..
[03:10] <grazie> it's getting quite old now. 1.9G P4, 512mb ram, nvidia GeForce3, 160G & 80G disks
[03:19] <Myrtti> hullo
[03:21] <bart_17> mghuy uijfigiigihi
[03:21] <bart_17> bujuhfufi
[03:24] <bart_17> sorry...
[03:25] <bart_17> my little girl type for a bit while i was out taking a shower
[03:25] <grazie> lol
[03:25] <bart_17> grazie: that's quite good.
[03:26] <TheSheep> bujuhfufi sounds like a real kid :)
[03:26] <bart_17> the sheep: lol
[03:27] <bart_17> thesheep: got kids?
[03:27] <bart_17> grazie: got kids?
[03:27] <TheSheep> bart_17: got neighbour
[03:27] <bart_17> thesheep: hahahha
[03:28] <grazie> bart_17: nope
[03:29] <grazie> bart_17: I have a nephew the thinks cds make great frizbies though :(
[03:29] <TheSheep> bart_17: the neighbour has a cat and two kids. recently, the cat seeks shelter at my home :)
[03:42] <Gerro> downloaded xubuntu 7.04 livecd and it stops functioning during startup complaining about not having microcode to broadcom wireless driver
[03:43] <Gerro> how do I override that or fix it?
[03:43] <crimsun> blacklist it.
[03:43] <crimsun> echo blacklist bcm43xx|sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[03:44] <Gerro> yes but xubuntu is not yet installed
[03:45] <Gerro> and I would hope to have support for my wireless when it is
[03:45] <grazie> Gerro: must be a kernel boot option available
[03:45] <crimsun> it won't.
[03:45] <grazie> !boot | Gerro
[03:45] <ubotu> Gerro: Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[03:45] <Gerro> yeah like a no network support or something
[03:45] <crimsun> you need to choose one of the two approaches I discussed in #ubuntu.
[03:45] <Gerro> sorry that Photon guy kept msging me
[03:46] <Gerro> grazie: where would I enter boot options?
[03:47] <grazie> Gerro: at the boot: prompt...think it's explained in the links ^^ also whatever crimsun says will be good
[03:49] <Gerro> yeah I know that but dont' remember seeing one..
[03:49] <Gerro> brb
[03:50] <pip> Hello
[03:51] <pip> cdimages site is invalid : (
[03:54] <Pumpernickel> The servers have been under heavy load since Feisty was released.
[03:54] <Pumpernickel> Be patient, and you'll get through to them eventually.
[03:54] <Gerro> grazie: yeah to get boot prompt you have to hit F6 key according to faq
[03:55] <pip> I see : )
[03:55] <Gerro> pip: which version you need I got an ftp server you can use if your in a hurry
[03:56] <Gerro> of course there is bit torrent
[03:56] <pip> Feisty
[03:56] <Gerro> don't see why that would be down, probably running very fast since so many downloading
[03:56] <grazie> Gerro: I've used wifi, so I couldn't advise on the correct option
[03:56] <pip> I have downloaded Feisty yesterday ,but I forgot to download the md5 file ,so I want to get it now
[03:57] <pbx> If 7.04 video is all wonky on a Dell Inspiron 4000, how should I got about figuring out whether that's worth reporting or not?
[03:57] <Gerro> pip which version of fiesty x86 or amd or what?
[03:57] <pip> x86 : )
[03:58] <pip> can you post the md5 here so that I will check it with mine
[03:58] <Gerro> B10CCF0EA43FC551AD1AF
[03:59] <pip> thanks
[03:59] <grazie> pip: as you've already burnt the cd you could use check cd in the boot menu
[03:59] <pip> I see ,I have got the cd
[03:59] <Gerro> yeah that works too, you doing anything special with the checksum?
[04:00] <pip> No,but the iso image downloaded this time is special to me ,because I will give it to my sister as a little present : )
[04:00] <pip> So I want to make sure it works well
[04:01] <pip> b10ccf0ea43fc551ad1af27e6666eae4
[04:02] <pip> er.....
[04:02] <pip> so exactly the same ?
[04:03] <Pumpernickel> Just an announcement: Ubuntu Open week (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek) is starting in 1 hour in #ubuntu-classroom.
[04:03] <pip> wa~~~cool
[04:05] <pbx> Just to make sure I'm not doing this wrong -- to file a Xubuntu bug should I be at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug  ?
[04:06] <grazie> pip: md5sum that you posted doesn't match what Gerro posted, but I think what's posted has been cut short (must be 16 bytes)
[04:06] <grazie> pip: did you run check cd?
[04:06] <pip> grazie, I did
[04:06] <pip> grazie, and I tested the CD as a installation
[04:06] <pip> Fine
[04:08] <grazie> pip: you may have a video driver problem. Do you know what your video card is?
[04:08] <pip> grazie, ATI X300
[04:08] <pip> grazie, Why was that ?
[04:09] <pip> yeah,Xine doesn' work when xubuntu 7.04 installed
[04:09] <grazie> pip: what do you mean by wonky exactly?
[04:09] <pbx> grazie: Is that a question for me?
[04:10] <grazie> pbx: no
[04:10] <pip> grazie, Xine doesn't work for me
[04:11] <pip> I tested a .ogg file in the "example" folder on the desktop ,doesn't work
[04:11] <alextm> hey, guys
[04:12] <elrengo> Hello!
[04:12] <alextm> is anyone here using beryl with Xubuntu Feisty?
[04:12] <elrengo> I have problems to install adesklets on Xubunut Feisty. Anyone can help me?
[04:13] <grazie> pbx: maybe this is the link you want >> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[04:13] <grazie> pip: You're only having problems playing video ogg files?
[04:14] <pbx> grazie: Yeah, I went there, that's how I ended up at the URL I posted. Just wanted to make sure that was correct. thanks.
[04:14] <pip> grazie, I dont know ,I just tested the ogg file
[04:14] <grazie> pbx: yeah launchpad is where you file a bug report
[04:14] <pip> grazie, How do you know that I would have a video problem ?
[04:15] <grazie> pip: does everything else seem ok?
[04:16] <pip> they are OK except multimedia stuff
[04:16] <grazie> pbx: always search before raising a new report though
[04:16] <pip> NO,sound
[04:16] <pbx> grazie: Done, thanks
[04:16] <elrengo> I can install desklets in adesklets on xubuntu
[04:16] <elrengo> anyone can helpme?
[04:16] <pbx> If I have a video problem with the CD, is it likely to be the same with a real install?
[04:17] <pbx> (in the absence of any further tweaking I mean)
[04:17] <grazie> pip: so you have no working sound and video. Did you try all the examples?
[04:17] <pip> grazie, No
[04:18] <pip> grazie, But I tried one ogg file several times after reboot and reboot
[04:18] <pip> grazie, a BUG ?
[04:18] <exien> I don't want my session to be saved each time I logout and I unchecked the option on the XFCE session settings but each time I boot it remembers all the programs I had open. Am I doing something wrong?
[04:18] <grazie> pip: can you quickly try all the video and audio example files
[04:19] <TheSheep> exien: it was saved once at the beginning, and now it just restores an old session
[04:19] <grazie> pbx: you using the desktop (live) cd?
[04:19] <pip> yeah.I am going to start Xubuntu
[04:19] <TheSheep> exien: you can remove ~/.cache/sessions/* to get rid of it
[04:19] <exien> TheSheep, It seems to be saving the last one I had open though... it keeps opening the programs that I had last time I shutdown
[04:19] <exien> TheSheep, I'll try that
[04:20] <pbx> grazie: Yes
[04:20] <exien> TheSheep, Let me try rebooting and see... :)
[04:20] <alextm> is anybody else having a display problem in beryl?
[04:21] <grazie> pbx: dunno...I'd expect the video to work.
[04:22] <pbx> grazie: Yeah, me too -- I'm installing now, so we'll see. 6.10 was fine. But this is my play machine so all new releases must get installed!
[04:22] <alextm> is it normal to have the desktop changed shrinked when using beryl?
[04:23] <alextm> sorry
[04:23] <pip> grazie, Hi,it is worse than I though
[04:23] <alextm> is it normal to have the desktop changer shrinked when using beryl?
[04:23] <pip> X crashes when gxine start
[04:24] <pip> every time X will crash if I try to use gxine to play something ,and there is no normal sound but ternimal bell
[04:24] <grazie> pip: do you clean install or upgrade?
[04:24] <grazie> did* ^^
[04:24] <pip> grazie, NO
[04:24] <pip> grazie, I just updated some software
[04:24] <asmith42a> lol
[04:25] <pip> grazie, such as package-manger
[04:25] <pip> And I use vmware for xubuntu installation
[04:25] <alextm> is there anyone reading my messages?
[04:25] <pip> I dont think that is the reason why gxine doesn't work
[04:26] <grazie> alextm: sorry...I just don't  use beryl
[04:26] <pip> I installed old version of ubuntu on vmware ,all are fine for me
[04:26] <pip> alextm, I use beryl ,but this is my first time I install xubuntu and got some problems
[04:26] <grazie> pip: can you describe what you did to upgrade?
[04:27] <pip> grazie, I did n't upgrade xubuntu I think ,just makred some software to update
[04:27] <pip> no need to upgrade ,because it is the latest version
[04:28] <grazie> pip: when did you install the latest version?
[04:29] <alextm> thanks, grazie! I was worried because is my first time using XChat, so I didn't know if I was doing something wrong
[04:29] <grazie> alextm: maybe give #beryl a try?
[04:30] <alextm> grazie: good idea.. i'll try it! thanks!
[04:30] <pip>  grazie today
[04:31] <pip> grazie, As i said ,I downloaded 7.04 and installed it
[04:32] <grazie> pip: so you did a clean install of 7.04 and then installed vmware and other updates? Anything else?
[04:33] <grazie> pip: could you post your /var/log/dpkp.log on pastebin
[04:33] <pip> grazie, I installed xubuntu 7.04 on vmware as a guest machine
[04:34] <pip> I will try
[04:35] <grazie> pip: hang on...I misunderstood you about vmware
[04:35] <pip> OK
[04:36] <grazie> pip: have you vmware before without problems?
[04:36] <grazie> you used* ^^
[04:36] <pip> No, vmware works nice
[04:36] <pip> grazie, I mean vmware works very nice
[04:37] <grazie> pip: sorry if I've already asked....is the cd a desktop cd?
[04:37] <pip> grazie, I am thinking about if I will send the xubuntu CD to my sister as a gift
[04:38] <pip> or download a Fedora Core and burn into Cd instead
[04:38] <pip> yeah,a desktop edition of xubuntu 7.04
[04:38] <pip> for x86 arch
[04:38] <jbinder> how much RAM does this need?
[04:38] <pip> grazie, do you suggest me to reinstall it ?
[04:38] <jbinder> like 128? or 192?
[04:39] <pip> 256
[04:39] <jbinder> xfce needs 256?
[04:39] <grazie> pip: you can boot the cd to test it (without using vmware)
[04:39] <pip> I just give it 256M RAM and I think that's enough for it
[04:39] <jbinder> so fluxbuntu is good with liek 128 lol
[04:39] <jbinder> gtg
[04:39] <jbinder> bey
[04:39] <pip> : )
[04:40] <pbx> Any suggestions on maximum happiness on a 128M machine?  (Besides "buy more RAM" :)
[04:41] <Pumpernickel> 15 minute countdown - Ubuntu Open Week will be starting soon in #ubuntu-classroom.  Questions and general UOW-related chat will be in #ubuntu-classroom-chat.  More information and schedules are posted at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek.
[04:41] <grazie> jbinder: xubuntu should work with 64mb,  but 128mb is recommended. You need 192mb to install xubuntu with the Desktop CD
[04:41] <grazie> pip: do you understand OK?
[04:42] <pip> what do you mean ?
[04:42] <pip> xubuntu only works well with 64M ram ? so 256M will give it a nightmare ?
[04:42] <grazie> pip: you don't need vmware to test the cd. You can just boot it on a pc.
[04:42] <pbx> grazie: I just installed with 128M but swapping from the CD is hell!
[04:43] <pbx> What's the lighter-weight install option?
[04:44] <grazie> pip: no. xubuntu barely works with 64mb, should work ok with 128mb and works quite well with 256mb
[04:45] <grazie> pbx: don't follow you. if you've installed what is being swap on the cd?
[04:45] <grazie> swapped* ^^
[04:46] <pbx> grazie: I'm just saying it churns like hell and I'm assuming that's because it can't fit everything in RAM.
[04:46] <pip> grazie, one glance at xubuntu ,I have loved with it
[04:47] <pbx> grazie: To clarify -- I meant *while* installing
[04:47] <grazie> pbx: OK...I follow now
[04:51] <xlaxis> Cheers, how do I check my hardware performance in the console?
[04:51] <xlaxis> So that it lists my stuff
[04:51] <xlaxis> RAM, CPU etc
[04:52] <TheSheep> cat /proc/cpuinfo; cat /proc/meminfo
[04:53] <pip> grazie, Hi,live Cd works fine
[04:54] <xlaxis> thanks TheSheep
[04:54] <maxamillion> xlaxis: "sudo aptitude install htop" .... "htop"
[04:54] <pip> gxine as well ,so I think there must be something wrong when I installed it .And a reinstall should be OK
[04:55] <grazie> pip: good. If video and audio work ok, then earlier problems must be due vmware or how it's configured
[04:55] <aro> !make
[04:55] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[04:55] <h3sp4wn> atop is nice (but need kernel patch for the most interesting parts of it)
[04:59] <pip> grazie, I am going to upgrade vmware server to a new version which is out recently
[05:05] <pbx> OK, I booted into my fresh install... same video problem (Dell Inspiron 4000). Filing a bug now.  Thanks for the help earlier.
[05:06] <bubazoo> after you install xubuntu to the HD, whats the root password?
[05:06] <bubazoo> can't believe they left that out of the install instructions, sheesh hehe
[05:07] <bubazoo> should be in the FAQ if you ask me
[05:09] <pbx> bubazoo: Root is not enabled by default.
[05:23] <bubazoo> I just installed xubuntu 7.04 to the hard drive, now I can't do root activities from the command line, how do I login as root?
[05:23] <bubazoo> I can't run apt-get,  I can't edit files, nothing
[05:23] <bubazoo> whats the deal?
[05:24] <maxamillion> bubazoo: what files you trying to edit?
[05:24] <Merchelo> bubazoo: sudo apt-get
[05:24] <Merchelo> enter your password when it asks
[05:25] <bubazoo> I tried running "su " without the quotes, it asked me for the root password, then it said I couldn't login as root, arrgh
[05:25] <bubazoo> tried that, still not let me login
[05:25] <maxamillion> bubazoo: the root password isn't enabled by default on *buntu
[05:25] <pleia2> it's not asking for the root password, enter your user password
[05:25] <pleia2> that's how sudo works
[05:25] <pleia2> sudo command - then your password
[05:25] <bubazoo> I did, and it said authentication failure
[05:26] <maxamillion> bubazoo: is your account the admin account?
[05:26] <bubazoo> maxamillion: yes, its my laptop
[05:27] <bubazoo> oh well, I'll just go back to Debian, thanks anyway
[05:28] <pleia2> bubazoo: you can enable the root user if you absolutely have to (so su will work)
[05:28] <pleia2> heh
[05:28] <pleia2> I don't think they understood
[05:28] <Merchelo> they?
[05:28] <pleia2> he/she
[05:33] <maxamillion> meh ... i run debian on my home desktop, xubuntu on work desktop, ubuntu on my work laptop ... i like a little variety
[05:59] <doublea> Does anyone know how can I get those volume icons off my desktop?
[05:59] <doublea> They appeared once I upgraded to 7.04
[05:59] <eirik> How do I see windows network in xubuntu? Do I have to get an other file manager?
[05:59] <asmith42a> Is there a suitable desktop publisher?
[06:00] <asmith42a> eirik: I've had trouble with that too. You want to look into SMB.
[06:00] <asmith42a> eirik: Or Samba
[06:00] <h3sp4wn> asmith42a: tex is suitable (quite a steep learning curve though) but the results are professional
[06:03] <eirik> asmith42a: I think I've installed samba. But where do I open it. Run it in the terminal without any graphical window?
[06:04] <asmith42a> eirik: Perhaps just open up Add/Remove and search on SMB to see what comes up?
[06:05] <asmith42a> eirik: If I recall, I had to into some other 'explorer', for lack of a better term, to look at the shares.
[06:06] <h3sp4wn> you can use fusesmb
[06:06] <asmith42a> eirik; I had better luck with Kubuntu because Konqueror was able to do it from installation, I think.
[06:06] <asmith42a> h3sp4wn: I think you recommended that to me, but it isn't in the Add/Remove.
[06:07] <h3sp4wn> !info fusesmb
[06:07] <ubotu> fusesmb: filesystem client based on the SMB file transfer protocol. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.5-1 (feisty), package size 26 kB, installed size 140 kB
[06:10] <asmith42a> Ah, feisty.
[06:10] <asmith42a> Don't have that yet.
[06:10] <h3sp4wn> !info fusesmb dapper
[06:11] <ubotu> Package fusesmb does not exist in dapper
[06:11] <pbx> I've got weird video output from 7.04 on a Dell Inspiron 4000 laptop. Where's the best place to start in troubleshooting this?
[06:12] <asmith42a> pbx: As if the resolution is wrong?
[06:13] <pbx> asmith42a: Yes, but also the screen is sort of sliced into three fuzzy vertical columns.
[06:13] <asmith42a> pbx: Can you login?
[06:14] <pbx> asmith42a: Yes, though it's blind since the login box is in the "dead zone"
[06:14] <asmith42a> pbx: And logging in doesn't help, I take it.
[06:14] <pbx> asmith42a: Nope.
[06:15] <asmith42a> pbx: I've had it where the login screen was fouled up, but the desktop was fine. Talk about weird. And you don't have an external monitor?
[06:15] <pbx> asmith42a: Nope
[06:15] <pbx> 6.10 was fine, FWIW
[06:16] <asmith42a> pbx: You may need to edit xorg.conf
[06:17] <pbx> asmith42a: I was afraid it would come to that!
[06:17] <asmith42a> pbx: I found that it listed the correct monitor, but the maximum (and therefore default) resolutions were out of range.
[06:17] <asmith42a> ubotu | resolution pbx
[06:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about resolution pbx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:17] <asmith42a> darn it
[06:17] <asmith42a> :P
[06:17] <pbx> nice try tho
[06:18] <asmith42a> ubotu resolution | pbx
[06:18] <ubotu> pbx: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:18] <asmith42a> pbx: I didn't find it terribly difficult to modify xorg.conf, though using a command line text editor isn't fun for me.
[06:19] <pbx> Hm. Resolution etc. are set correctly.
[06:20] <pbx> Actually, maybe not...
[06:20] <pbx> I miss my emacs!
[06:20] <asmith42a> pbx: Could you try stepping it down one at a time to see if one of them is at least readable?
[06:21] <pip> Why can't I send to the ubuntu-classroom channel ?
[06:21] <pbx>  asmith42a  Yeah. It's annoying how the res is listed separately for each video depth.
[06:21] <pbx> pip: Because that's for the interview.  Use #ubuntu-classroom-chat
[06:21] <asmith42a> pbx: Yes, that is a bit confusing.
[06:23] <pbx> asmith42a: Do you know how I tell it "OK, now update using the changes I just made" ?
[06:23] <asmith42a> pbx: Reboot?
[06:24] <asmith42a> pbx: No, I don't know how to reload xorg.conf
[06:24] <pbx> asmith42a: Looks like /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[06:25] <asmith42a> pbx: If you say :P
[06:25] <pbx> No dice. I think it *thinks* it's using the right resoulution...
[06:26] <asmith42a> pbx: Are the scan rates OK? Isn't the 'columns' a sign of that?
[06:27] <pbx> asmith42a: It's an LCD
[06:27] <pbx> I don't see any scan rates in xorg.conf
[06:28] <asmith42a> pbx: Under "Monitor"?
[06:28] <pbx> "Generic Monitor"
[06:28] <pbx> Maybe that's the prob?
[06:28] <asmith42a> Hmmmm
[06:28] <asmith42a> Worth a try, huh?
[06:30] <pbx> Hm, the HowTo says not to change from Generic if that's what is autodetected...
[06:31] <asmith42a> pbx: Bleh
[06:31] <asmith42a> pbx: That stinks.
[06:31] <asmith42a> pbx: Well, that is the extent of my troubleshooting knowledge on that. Sorry.
[06:33] <pbx> asmith42a: No problem, thanks for all your ideas. I'm out of time now too. I did get it to produce a *different* pattern of weird columns, so that's progress!
[06:33] <asmith42a> lol
[06:33] <asmith42a> Good!
[06:33] <asmith42a> Good luck.
[06:35] <Ademan> so does anyone know how to connect to a samba server in xubuntu? it doesn't seem like thunar will do it, so is there a standalone app io should use?
[06:36] <Smygis> Ademan, Applications -> System -> Shared folders ?
[06:37] <Ademan> thank,s, ui really don't know, i'm just so used to do ing everything with nautilus
[06:37] <Ademan> ah that looks like its for administrating your own ssamba server
[06:39] <Double_A> How can I get icons off my desktop?
[06:39] <Double_A> The show icons for check-boxes under desktop settings have no effect on anything
[06:40] <Ademan> anywayou don't want them there at all?
[06:42] <Ademan> under desktop preferences, i have a checkbox that says "allow xfce to manage my desktop" uncheck that, then it will be more like xfce used to be, under bthe behavior tab you can also make it so right clicking on your desktop brings up a context menu
[06:43] <Ademan> anywho i'm late for school
[06:43] <Ademan> thanks everyone
[07:02] <ser23> hoi
[07:03] <Myrtti> hoi
[07:04] <ser23> stil hier geen problemen dus :)
[07:04] <Myrtti> oookkay, let me get my quick flemish course first
[07:05] <ser23> or dutch
[07:05] <Myrtti> that too
[07:05] <ser23> said silent here so no problems
[07:07] <godless> Terminal is still restarting my window manager :/
[07:07] <godless> strace showed an I/O error 104
[07:08] <godless> I don't know where to go from here except drastic steps like reinstalling
[07:08] <ser23> i also dont no ask a geek
[07:09] <Arkh> lol
[07:09] <ser23> did you change something before it happens
[07:10] <ser23> what distro and version are u usingg
[07:12] <ser23> you can get noobie advice ... from me ...
[07:12] <ser23> i am still very expirimental so it can damage your system
[07:13] <Arkh> godless, what's wrong?
[07:13] <pip> Hello all
[07:13] <pip> haha~~Xubuntu's awesome : ) I am using Lice CD
[07:13] <pip> *live
[07:14] <Arkh> did you try to install things like beryl and/or compiz ?
[07:14] <Arkh> hi
[07:14] <emdash> oh snap
[07:14] <emdash> 7.04 is out
[07:14] <ser23> really? 7.04 now the wow can start
[07:15] <pip> yeah
[07:15] <pip> I meant the very 7.04
[07:15] <ser23> yes im running it by now
[07:15] <pip> Super cool ,and this is my first time tasting xubuntu
[07:16] <ser23> only had to fix resolution but works very well
[07:17] <pip> I dont need to do anything else ,just use it
[07:17] <ser23> pip you installed it ?
[07:17] <pip> gaim works fine ,that's why I am able to chat here
[07:18] <pip> I installed it on my Vmware ,but now I am experiencing the live CD
[07:18] <ser23> what are you using normally?
[07:18] <pip> because I like fast and real hardware experience
[07:18] <ser23> winxp?
[07:18] <pip> No ,fedora
[07:19] <ser23> what are the main differences between fed and xub
[07:19] <pip> This CD was  burned for my sister ,and I am thinking about if I will get a copy of xubuntu for my own
[07:20] <pip> I think Fedora is something looks like an Englishmen
[07:20] <pip> while ubuntu looks like a American
[07:20] <Arkh> lol
[07:20] <pip> just by feels
[07:20] <ser23> ok
[07:20] <Arkh> anyways pip
[07:21] <ser23> so xubuntu is like ferrarri
[07:21] <Arkh> if you plan to use irc clients
[07:21] <Arkh> try Xchat
[07:21] <pip> mainly feel ubuntu project is very cool and new
[07:21] <ser23> arkh because ?
[07:21] <pip> gaim works fine on xubuntu
[07:21] <Arkh> it is better than gaim
[07:21] <Arkh> for irc chats ;)
[07:22] <ser23> ok i ll try that
[07:22] <pip> sorry,my english is not good ,here the "new" means "be after something advanced"
[07:22] <pip> innovation
[07:22] <ser23> what is your native language
[07:22] <pip> redhat and fedora are not that style
[07:22] <godless> Arkh:  I didn't install anything unusualk
[07:22] <pip> Chinese
[07:23] <godless> I upgraded from edgy->feisty
[07:23] <pip> OK
[07:23] <pip> Why not ?
[07:23] <ceil420> i wish gaim-xfire worked fine in feisty -_-
[07:23] <Arkh> godless, how?
[07:23] <godless> Arkh:  update-manager -c
[07:23] <Arkh> mm
[07:24] <godless> it appeared to work well. In fact the system seems to be working fine
[07:24] <godless> unless I open a terminal :/
[07:24] <Arkh> command line is deprecated <.<
[07:24] <godless> at which point I am dumped back out at the login screen
[07:24] <ceil420> weird :o
[07:24] <godless> strangely, tilda (another terminal program) works.
[07:24] <pip> gaim is becoming better and better platform
[07:25] <ceil420> i use the terminal you get from alt+f2 *leave blank, but run in terminal* > OK
[07:25] <godless> Still, I want my regular Terminal windows back >:[
[07:25] <ser23> remove all terminal and reinstall terminal ?
[07:25] <pip> give me a link so that I will send a screenshot for you : )
[07:25] <ceil420> dno how it's different from any other terminal, but it works fine
[07:25] <ceil420> (if it's different)
[07:26] <Arkh> godless
[07:26] <Arkh> did you try doing apt-get update
[07:26] <Arkh> and apt-get dist-upgrade?
[07:26] <godless> ceil420:  run in terminal crashes my session too
[07:26] <Arkh> no errors?
[07:26] <ser23> godless you have to answer to get help
[07:26] <ceil420> o_O
[07:26] <pip> hey ,xubuntu doesn't use openoffice
[07:26] <godless> Arkh:  I have done apt-get upgrade, didn't do apt-get dist-upgrade, will try that now
[07:26] <ser23> pip not by default
[07:27] <Arkh> apt-get update first
[07:27] <ceil420> pip, i was using OpenOffice.org Word Processor just yesterday :o
[07:27] <godless> Arkh:  have done.
[07:27] <godless> brb
[07:27] <pip> ceil420: so you installed it
[07:27] <ser23> pip i read somewhere it is needed for language support not sure...
[07:28] <pip> yeah,it needs
[07:28] <ceil420> pip, no, it came standard with Edgy, and stayed when i upgraded
[07:28] <pip> anyway,I like trying new things such as Abi
[07:28] <ceil420> unless it came with something else i installed
[07:28] <ser23> but de other modules are not installed defuault
[07:28] <ceil420> i wouldn't install OO, as i've no use for it
[07:29] <ceil420> only reason i had it open yesterday is cos i was pokin' around in ~/Examples :p
[07:29] <pip> Abi starts like a jet
[07:29] <pip> very fact
[07:29] <pip> *quickly
[07:29] <ser23> fast
[07:29] <ceil420> it certainly starts faster than OO word processer o/
[07:30] <pip> : ) I dont know if Abi is a standard suite for ubuntu family
[07:30] <ser23> yes but if you are office man you need it
[07:30] <godless> what is the 'Terminal' package called?
[07:30] <godless> n/m synaptic will tell me
[07:30] <ser23> do a search in synaptic
[07:30] <pip> Terminal
[07:31] <ser23> for terminal and wait
[07:31] <ser23> for results
[07:33] <ser23> xterm
[07:33] <ser23> ?
[07:33] <pip> I see
[07:33] <hyper_ch> hiho
[07:33] <godless> xterm works
[07:33] <godless> So I could just ignore the problem and use xterm
[07:34] <godless> buuuut
[07:34] <godless> not satisfactory :)
[07:34] <ser23> because?
[07:34] <pip> :)
[07:34] <pip> Can you guys see faces symbols ?
[07:34] <ser23> yes
[07:34] <ser23> im also on gaim
[07:34] <pip> lol
[07:35] <pip> Cool ,colorful name list
[07:35] <ceil420> !watchdog
[07:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about watchdog - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:35] <ceil420> !info watchdog
[07:35] <ubotu> watchdog: software watchdog. In component universe, is extra. Version 5.3.1-2 (feisty), package size 62 kB, installed size 260 kB
[07:35] <coldsteal> hyper_ch: u there?
[07:37] <godless> ser23:  Because Terminal is faster, and because I don't like ignoring strange problems and just hoping they will go away
[07:37] <godless> I have reinstalled xfce4-terminal but the same issue still occurs.
[07:37] <ser23> in what terminal you have the problem
[07:37] <hyper_ch> coldsteal: yes
[07:37] <godless> ser23:  'Terminal'
[07:38] <ser23> moment
[07:38] <coldsteal> hyper_ch: what was the original link to that script
[07:38] <hyper_ch> to which one?
[07:38] <coldsteal> the one i helped u with
[07:39] <hyper_ch> ah
[07:39] <hyper_ch> coldsteal: /usr/share/apps/konversation/scripts/sysinfo
[07:39] <coldsteal> lol no
[07:39] <godless> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-terminal/+bug/99927
[07:39] <ubotu> Malone bug 99927 in xfce4-terminal "xfce terminal crashes and returns me to login screen" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[07:39] <ser23> godless try complete remove xfce terminal then install it again
[07:39] <coldsteal> i mean url link
[07:40] <godless> ser23:  I've done that.
[07:40] <coldsteal> i dont have konversation
[07:40] <ser23> so if you launch terminal you go to login screen ?
[07:41] <godless> Yes.
[07:41] <godless> It appears to be a known bug so... I will stay tuned to the forums
[07:41] <godless> I don't know why I couldn't find these bug reports yesterday :/
[07:42] <godless> I am running on an old p3 I slapped together from parts on the floor, how do I tell what the graphics chipset it?
[07:42] <ser23> ok will do a google for some solution
[07:42] <hyper_ch> coldsteal: dcc
[07:42] <coldsteal> my port arnt open idk if it will work
[07:42] <coldsteal> u can try
[07:42] <ser23> dpkg-recofigure xserver-xorg
[07:43] <hyper_ch> coldsteal: http://phpfi.com/228456
[07:43] <ser23> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:43] <hyper_ch> the original one
[07:44] <coldsteal> okay
[07:44] <coldsteal> cuz that link thats in it doesnt work
[07:44] <pip> I have never seen such advanced OS before
[07:44] <hyper_ch> coldsteal: what link?
[07:45] <pip> ATI offical driver is being downloaded
[07:45] <coldsteal> http://rebelhomicide.demon.nl/scripts/
[07:45] <pip> high level of automatic
[07:45] <hyper_ch> coldsteal: what link is that?
[07:46] <coldsteal> its in the source
[07:47] <hyper_ch> ok :)
[07:48] <ser23> godless 				 				Re: Terminal makes my screen crash, can anyone help me? 			                    			
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[07:48] <ser23>  			 		 		 		 		This is a well-known Xubuntu bug and has been reported in Launchpad (by myself no less ).
[07:48] <ser23> Quick fix (if still using Xubuntu):
[07:48] <ser23>  	Code: 	sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf Find 'DefaultDepth' and change the value from 24 to 16.
[07:48] <ser23> Save, reboot.  Your golden
[07:48] <godless> thanks.
[07:49] <ser23> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:49] <ser23> efaultDepth' and change the value from 24 to 16.
[07:49] <ser23> Save, reboot.
[07:50] <ser23> or      sudo mousepad /etc/X11xorg.conf
[07:50] <godless> :) I actually am using vi
[07:51] <ser23> ok doesnt matter replace it with vi
[07:51] <ser23> give feedback if it works or not
[07:51] <godless> Just waiting for the reboot
[07:52] <ser23> ok
[07:52] <godless> Where did you find this?
[07:52] <ser23> google: terminal goes to login screen
[07:52] <godless> heh :/
[07:52] <ser23> very easy always first look on google
[07:53] <godless> Yes it works.
[07:53] <ser23> then ask
[07:53] <godless> I have been on google for some time.
[07:53] <godless> Hence the bug report I posted.
[07:53] <godless> But it had no solution :/
[07:53] <ser23> ok better search ;)
[07:53] <godless> there is so much linux material out there that subtle differences in search terms make a big difference
[07:53] <godless> yes
[07:54] <ser23> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=417661
[07:54] <godless> "feisty Terminal xubuntu xfce4-terminal upgrade"
[07:54] <godless> annnnyway. Thanks! :)
[07:54] <ser23> ok
[07:54] <ser23> so you can read full story
[07:55] <ser23> god exists
[07:55] <ser23> c:> cls
[07:56] <ser23> first command i learned in dos howto clear screen
[07:57] <ser23> :'(
[07:57] <godless>  /clear :)
[07:57] <Arkh> not format c: ?
[07:57] <Arkh> :P
[07:57] <godless> Arkh:  Yeah I thought that was everybody's first :)
[07:57] <ser23> haha
[07:58] <ser23> later in windows i used format many times
[07:58] <godless> OK maybe now it's time to upgrade the laptop...
[07:58] <ser23> apt-get upgrade
[07:59] <ser23> or something
[07:59] <godless> ser23:  upgrade-manager -c seems to be the one for me :)
[07:59] <godless> there are many ways
[08:00] <ser23> yes try all and learn from it
[08:05] <ser23> arkh do you have good knowledge of linux
[08:05] <Arkh> mm yes
[08:05] <ser23> can you explain the difference between sudo and root
[08:06] <Arkh> yes
[08:06] <Arkh> root is the super user
[08:06] <Arkh> sudo is a program that gives you root powers
[08:06] <ser23> but in ubuntu we dont use the root account
[08:07] <Arkh> well i do :P
[08:07] <ser23> you dont use sudo
[08:07] <Arkh> no
[08:07] <Arkh> i could but I don't ;)
[08:07] <Arkh> ser32, usually in the other distributions
[08:08] <Arkh> you can edit the /tc/sudoers file
[08:08] <Arkh> and decide which programs you can run as roo
[08:08] <Arkh> with sudo
[08:08] <Arkh> in ubuntu, every command is enabled :p
[08:08] <ser23> and disable the sudo and enable the root
[08:11] <ser23> i want to create an user with no sudo or root so they cant damage the system is that possible?
[08:11] <Arkh> a user without sudo?
[08:12] <ser23> yes because the user knows his own password and can change system
[08:12] <ser23> with sudo
[08:12] <Arkh> I'm not sure
[08:13] <ser23> or do i need another way to get that
[08:13] <Arkh> I think I have read somewhere that only the first one gets sudo powers
[08:13] <Arkh> lemme search a bit
[08:13] <ser23> ok
[08:13] <Arkh> When you set up Ubuntu, it automatically adds the first user to the sudo group, allowing that user to make changes as the super user (root) by typing in their password. However, it doesn't automatically add additional users to the sudo group. If you want to give someone else superuser privileges on your shared system, you'll have to give them sudo access.
[08:13] <Arkh> :P
[08:14] <ser23> so make a user owner of sudo group will give it the sudo
[08:15] <Arkh> member of sudo group ;)
[08:15] <ser23> yes a member sorry didnt no the right word
[08:17] <ser23> so i setup a user make it member of sudo make everything ok for that user remove user from sudo and give user name and password so it can use the system without de power to damage
[08:18] <Arkh> err
[08:18] <Arkh> no
[08:18] <Arkh> just add a user
[08:18] <h3sp4wn> its the admin group isn't it
[08:19] <ser23> ok
[08:19] <Arkh> yes h3sp4wn
[08:19] <ser23> sudo group is admin group ok
[08:20] <Arkh> ser23,
[08:20] <ser23> yes
[08:20] <Arkh> do a sudo cat /etc/sudoers
[08:20] <Stonekeeper> hi! A friend of mine installed xubuntu and had no way of connecting via dial up to the outside world. All the packages that made it easy were in repositories. He eventually did it via a script. If he migrates to 7.04, will he have the same issues or is there better support for dial up now? thanks.
[08:20] <Arkh> pppoeconf?
[08:20] <Arkh> oh dial up
[08:20] <Stonekeeper> yeah
[08:20] <Arkh> you mean 56 K?
[08:20] <Stonekeeper> yeah
[08:20] <Arkh> oh
[08:20] <Arkh> idk..
[08:21] <ser23> sat@xubuntu:~$ sudo cat /etc/sudoers
[08:21] <ser23> Password:
[08:21] <ser23> # /etc/sudoers
[08:21] <ser23> #
[08:21] <ser23> # This file MUST be edited with the 'visudo' command as root.
[08:21] <ser23> #
[08:21] <ser23> # See the man page for details on how to write a sudoers file.
[08:21] <ser23> # Host alias specification
[08:21] <ser23> # User alias specification
[08:21] <ser23> # Cmnd alias specification
[08:21] <ser23> # Defaults
[08:21] <ser23> Defaults        !lecture,tty_tickets,!fqdn
[08:21] <Arkh> oh crapppp
[08:21] <ser23> # User privilege specification
[08:21] <ser23> root    ALL=(ALL) ALL
[08:21] <ser23> # Members of the admin group may gain root privileges
[08:21] <Stonekeeper> i know it's archaic but it's a weird situation to discover that all you need to connect to the internet is.... on the internet.
[08:21] <ser23> %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL
[08:21] <ser23> sat@xubuntu:~$
[08:21] <Arkh> !paste | ser23
[08:21] <ubotu> ser23: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:21] <Arkh> never do it again ser23 :P
[08:22] <Arkh> anyways
[08:22] <ser23> this is the third time i did it
[08:22] <pip> Hello
[08:22] <Arkh> that file says that the members of the %admin group have all powers
[08:22] <Arkh> ser23, another time might get you kicked and/or banned :P
[08:22] <h3sp4wn> I just use - samw    ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL (but I am lazy)
[08:23] <h3sp4wn> On my desktop anyway
[08:23] <ser23> ok now the paste thing on irc
[08:24] <ser23> if i copy  something to clipboard and want to paste it here what is the command for it
[08:24] <Arkh> go to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[08:25] <Arkh> paste it on that site
[08:25] <ser23> ok brb
[08:25] <Arkh> and paste in the channel the link
[08:25] <Arkh> anyways we've already read that
[08:25] <Arkh> so no point in pasting it again :P
[08:27] <ser23> under stand
[08:29] <ser23> followed the link > entered my name:ser23 > selected syntax: bash > textbox : test > pushed button paste!
[08:30] <ser23> and then ?
[08:30] <Arkh> didn't it give you a link?
[08:30] <ser23> no
[08:31] <Arkh> err
[08:31] <Arkh> it can't be
[08:31] <ser23> ill look better
[08:32] <Arkh> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17272/
[08:32] <ser23> something likee this? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17271/plain/ ???
[08:32] <Arkh> it re directs you to a new page
[08:32] <Arkh> copy the page address
[08:32] <Arkh> yep only the number
[08:32] <Arkh> gotta go
[08:32] <Arkh> cya later ;)
[08:33] <ser23> thanks
[08:33] <ser23> always learnig bye
[08:34] <ser23> /hhelp
[08:40] <ser23> next problem
[08:46] <godless> ser23:  Did you sort out your sudo concern? Basically if you are the first user on the system you have sudo priveleges. If you add a user they will be 'safe' by default ie- can't sudo
[08:46] <godless> Additional users will only be able to sudo if you let them
[08:47] <TheSheep> you need your computer name to be resolvable for the sudo to work, it seems :/
[08:47] <ser23> yes understand the sudo question
[08:47] <godless> TheSheep:  Howso?
[08:48] <TheSheep> godless: no idea, but if you break your /etc/hosts or change the hostname without updating dns or /etc/hosts, it stops working
[08:49] <ser23> explain sheep im a knowledge-hungry
[08:49] <TheSheep> ser23: I don't know the mechnism, just the experience :)
[08:50] <ser23> hoow to change hostname and how to update dns /etc/
[08:50] <godless> TheSheep:  Ouch. Well, if I broke /etc/hosts I would have lots of problems anyway. Would the root console boot option still work?
[08:51] <TheSheep> godless: I hope so :)
[08:51] <godless> How did you fix it?
[08:51] <TheSheep> godless: fixed the entry on our dns server
[08:53] <godless> I always have niggling problems with xfce :/. In Desktop Settings -> Behaviour I only have two icons checked (file system, trash) yet I'm still seeing four icons on my desktop (those two + floppy drive & home)
[08:53] <godless> what's going on?
[08:53] <ser23> do a reboot godless
[08:53] <godless> I have.
[08:53] <TheSheep> godless: what does .config/xfce4/desktop/xfdesktoprc contain?
[08:53] <godless> TheSheep:  jussasec.
[08:54] <ser23> i also had that problem
[08:54] <godless> Three line paste OK?
[08:54] <somerville32> yup
[08:54] <godless> basically it looks as I believe it should...
[08:54] <godless> [file-icons] 
[08:54] <godless> show-filesystem=true
[08:54] <godless> show-trash=true
[08:54] <TheSheep> hi somerville32!
[08:54] <ser23> tried few times check an uncheck logoff/on and reboot then igot it as iwanted it
[08:55] <h3sp4wn> godless: If nsswitch.conf is broken you get similar effects
[08:55] <TheSheep> godless: well, just add show-home=false
[08:55] <godless> h3sp4wn:  Where is that file?
[08:55] <TheSheep> and show-removable=true
[08:55] <godless> TheSheep:  Trying that now :)
[08:55] <TheSheep> err... false
[08:55] <h3sp4wn>  /etc
[08:56] <TheSheep> godless: remember to leave an empty line at the end
[08:56] <TheSheep> (yes, I know, it's silly)
[08:56] <godless> TheSheep:  Thanks, woulda missed that, why?
[08:57] <TheSheep> godless: so that every line ends with a newline
[08:57] <TheSheep> godless: I guess they use it for easier parsing or something
[08:57] <godless> yeah that seems a bit sloppy but whatever :)
[08:58] <h3sp4wn> there is some specification that says text files should end with \n (on its own)
[08:58] <godless> gotcha.
[08:58] <godless> ok how do I get xfdesktop reread?
[08:58] <godless> gdm restart?
[08:58] <TheSheep> .desktop files on freedesktop.org, for example
[08:58] <TheSheep> godless: no
[08:58] <TheSheep> godless: xfdesktop --reload
[08:58] <TheSheep> godless: as user
[09:00] <godless> cool. That did it.
[09:00] <godless> Wish the gui config dialogs worked better though
[09:00] <ser23> compiz is very usefull for this irc + terminall + ... + ... to keep it clean on the screen
[09:01] <ser23> godless they are always working on it
[09:01] <TheSheep> godless: they are kind of an afterthought ;)
[09:01] <TheSheep> godless: especially the one for the desktop icons
[09:02] <godless> TheSheep:  I know, and they would be for me too if I had edited conf files from the get-go... but since xubuntu does so much for me automagically and I don't know where many things reside... I end up going through the menus
[09:02] <godless> Often to very little effect :/
[09:02] <TheSheep> godless: agreed, it's all or nothing
[09:06] <godless> Hey, what was the name of the nifty osx-style icon toolbar?
[09:07] <godless> I always end up removing eye candy after a couple days but that doesn't stop me from playing with it now and then ... heh
[09:07] <godless> the love of pointless noodling, I suspect, is the underlying link holding the linux community together.
[09:08] <Naughtyboy> maxamillion, : u there m8..?
[09:08] <maxamillion> Naughtyboy: yup
[09:08] <godless> Also, what was the name of the 3d desktop switcher? Beryl-esque without having to install beryl (which I suspect would be largely impossible on this machine)
[09:09] <Naughtyboy> maxamillion, : have a little problem with mouse-themes in xfce...
[09:09] <ser23> desktop effects ?
[09:10] <godless> haha, I think '3d-desktop' is in fact the one I was thinking of :)
[09:10] <Naughtyboy> maxamillion,  when I set anything else thena "default" it won't take it.."kind of".....not on desktop and in thunar e.t.c but when I open Firefox I cen se the "new" mouse cursor...
[09:10] <Naughtyboy> maxamillion, : ever seen that before..??
[09:10] <ser23> with menu-accesoires-appfinder
[09:10] <Naughtyboy> or anyone else for that matter..?
[09:11] <maxamillion> Naughtyboy: yeah ... firefox does strange things like that ... i've seen that happen, sadly i don't know how to fix it but i have seen it happen
[09:12] <ser23> or in synaptic 3ddesktop something different from compiz or beryl
[09:13] <Naughtyboy> maxamillion, : ok...thnx anyway bud....I'll ask in the forums...
[09:13] <ser23> i have installed that it shows you 4 screens you can change wih keyboard
[09:13] <maxamillion> ser23: completely different
[09:13] <ser23> in 3d
[09:13] <maxamillion> ser23: 3ddesktop is a very different project from compiz/beryl
[09:13] <Naughtyboy> ser23, : yeah 3ddesk is just for changing desktop
[09:14] <Naughtyboy> no composit and transparency
[09:14] <ser23> yes
[09:14] <ser23> do you mean that program godless
[09:15] <h3sp4wn> there is xcompmgr
[09:15] <Naughtyboy> ser23, _ depends on what you want...if just changing desktop is you goal...then 3ddesk is good enough
[09:15] <h3sp4wn> and luminocity (they are old though and not maintained)
[09:16] <Naughtyboy> maaan....I tired beryl for the first time yesterday...spent better half of yesterday tinkering with it.....I just can' t stand it..
[09:16] <maxamillion> ser23: http://desk3d.sourceforge.net/ <---3d desktop .... http://compiz.org/ <--compiz .... http://beryl-project.org/ <--beryl :)
[09:17] <Naughtyboy> IMHO beryl is just to much...ther's just to much going on , there..
[09:17] <ser23> i know maxamillion godless was asking for the packages name isnt it /
[09:18] <maxamillion> ahhhhh
[09:18] <maxamillion> ser23: sorry
[09:18] <ser23> doesnt matter
[09:18] <TheSheep> :/
[09:18] <TheSheep> doesn't fit
[09:18] <maxamillion> wow ... long topic line
[09:19] <maxamillion> TheSheep: :(
[09:19] <maxamillion> brb
[09:19] <TheSheep> last try :)
[09:20] <ser23> cut out official
[09:21] <ser23> make support help
[09:21] <somerville32> Just tinyurl the link
[09:24] <TheSheep> somerville32: I cut out the 'servers might be slow'
[09:25] <ser23> Xubuntu Channel | FAQ: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions | Support options: http://www.ubuntu.com/support | IRC info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRCResourcePage | Pastes to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org | Mailing list: http://lists.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-users | Xubuntu 7.04 is out! http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/feisty/release/ | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[09:25] <ser23> little shorter
[09:30] <Tu_Neteru> Hello?
[09:30] <maxamillion> Tu_Neteru: hi
[09:30] <maxamillion> TheSheep: why not on jabber?
[09:31] <Tu_Neteru> Hey. Any one having problems with 7.04 doing disk partitioning?
[09:32] <maxamillion> Tu_Neteru: not i
[09:33] <Tu_Neteru> I have this old MSI system with a celry 1.1Ghz, 256MB ram, DVD burner, and 1.8" 20GB HD. Worked under 6.10, but 7.04 giving me greif with partitioning the HD.
[09:34] <Tu_Neteru> I did an online upgrade to 7.04 and that ened up with a weird boot problem.
[09:35] <Tu_Neteru> killed my 6.10 install.
[09:35] <Tu_Neteru> Kind of a linux noob in case you can't tell.
[09:37] <Tu_Neteru> I'm reinstalling 6.10 just to make sure it's not some weird hardware problem.
[09:40] <kalikiana> Hey, anyone here I can blame for Feisty Live not working on my PC? *g
[09:41] <Merchelo> bill gates is /away
[09:42] <kalikiana> grazie, I got loads of scsi errors and found no way to boot into Feisty live
[09:42] <kalikiana> Although Edgy is fine. That's why I had to reinstall using Edgy's cd.
[09:43] <grazie> kalikiana: I remember something about certain scsi support being no longer supported
[09:44] <grazie> oops....scsi hw
[09:46] <kalikiana> grazie, Hm.. Well, it's a 3 years old sata disc I think. So my PC is already old, eh?
[09:47] <kalikiana> I think I'll go bake a bread while I'm upgrading to Edgy. :P
[09:48] <grazie> kalikiana: no sata won't have been dropped
[09:48] <maxamillion> kalikiana: to edgy?? ... you been on dapper this long?
[09:49] <kalikiana> maxamillion, Oh, my bad - I'm upgrading to Feisty of course, had to reinstall using the Edgy cd.
[09:53] <maxamillion> kalikiana: :(
[09:55] <kalikiana> maxamillion, Well ,it took 4 days after the power problem which corrupted my partitions to backup and reinstall. I'm glad to be back, even if the upgrades takes a few minutes. :P
[09:55] <maxamillion> :)
[09:55] <maxamillion> kalikiana: sorry to hear about that hard drive corruption, but its good you were able to get the data back
[09:56] <kalikiana> Yeah, I'm very happy that my important files were not lost.
[10:02] <txwikinger> I guess that is a stupid question, but have I done something wrong or does Xubuntu out of the box doesn't provide automount for floppies for normal users?
[10:02] <ser23> question... wat repository should i have in the /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[10:03] <ser23> oh yes for xubuntu feisty
[10:03] <maxamillion> txwikinger: not sure to be honest ... haven't owned a machine with a floppy drive in many years
[10:04] <txwikinger> maxamillion: :) me neither
[10:04] <txwikinger> I just built a Xubuntu Machine for my parents-in-law
[10:04] <jbinder> hi
[10:04] <txwikinger> and they still use that do move files around
[10:05] <rubmester> hi
[10:05] <maxamillion> txwikinger: oh ... hmmm
[10:05] <maxamillion> rubmester: hello
[10:05] <rubmester> when i connect my mp3 player, shouldn't xubuntu open it auto?
[10:05] <rubmester> (new in xubuntu)
[10:08] <maxamillion> rubmester: what kind of mp3 player?
[10:10] <rubmester> sansa scandisk
[10:11] <maxamillion> oh wow ... no clue
[10:12] <rubmester> one more question
[10:12] <maxamillion> shoot
[10:12] <rubmester> im sitting on a p4 1.7 ghz 512 mb ram, would wine work with starcraft ?
[10:12] <rubmester> and run smooth?
[10:13] <maxamillion> rubmester: oh yeah, without a problem ... i ran starcraft on wine on a p3 1ghz. 256mb of ram 3 years ago without problems
[10:13] <rubmester> is wine hard to install or?
[10:13] <maxamillion> rubmester: not at all
[10:14] <maxamillion> rubmester: http://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb
[10:14] <Merchelo> is it possible to do a network install ?
[10:15] <maxamillion> Merchelo: i have heard that it is, yes ... but we don't officially support that method of installation
[10:16] <Merchelo> hmm, ok, but ubuntu isn't probably the best distro to use for creating a cluster is it?
[10:16] <grazie> Hey, Ben Collins is talking about the kernel in #ubuntu-classroom
[10:16] <rubmester> is it possible to run starcraft using battlenet aswell?
[10:17] <h3sp4wn> grazie: thanks
[10:17] <maxamillion> Merchelo: no, i would recommend debian to be honest
[10:18] <Merchelo> yeah, was thinking debian or freeBSD. Oh well, thanks.
[10:18] <h3sp4wn> Merchelo: Depends what the cluster is for
[10:18] <h3sp4wn> if its for scientific stuff it might be worthwhile to build what you want from scratch with a meta distro
[10:19] <maxamillion> Merchelo: yeah ... freeBSD would be a decent choice as well, but i'm just a really big fan of debian and enjoy apt more so than the ports system
[10:20] <Merchelo> heard some really scary stuff when it comes to freeBSD, so it looks like debian.
[10:20] <h3sp4wn> grazie: Did I miss a large part of it
[10:20] <h3sp4wn> Merchelo: freebsd is fine
[10:20] <h3sp4wn> depends on what you are using it for anyway
[10:21] <h3sp4wn> a general purpose distro is not suitable for alot of workloads
[10:21] <grazie> h3sp4wn: he only started at 20 minutes ago...nothing that interesting yet
[10:21] <rubmester> maxamillion you got a link for getting started with wine?
[10:21] <Merchelo> scientific calculations really, but was reading up on an old cluster in my college where they used freeBSD and debian in the cluster, and was wondering if things had come along since 2001
[10:22] <maxamillion> rubmester: i already sent you one
[10:22] <rubmester> oh didnt see
[10:22] <rubmester> thx
[10:23] <maxamillion> np
[10:24] <maxamillion> Merchelo: i don't know about on the freeBSD front, but i know there has been a beowulf group that started within the debian community
[10:24] <rubmester> ive heard that archlinux is good building up from scratch=
[10:25] <beg1689> i cant connect to my wired network, dhclient first gives an error that "Device or Resource Busy" then says network is down
[10:26] <beg1689> using a fresh 7.04 install
[10:26] <aro> Anyone know how I can figure out the UUID of a partition that I know is setup properly but not located in fstab (I want to manually add it to fstab)
[10:27] <maxamillion> rubmester: yeah, its pretty good and the packages are really up to date
[10:28] <maxamillion> beg1689: how many interfaces are listed from the command "ifconfig"?
[10:28] <maxamillion> aro: not entirely sure to be honest .... UUIDs are messy
[10:28] <beg1689> just lo, ifconfig -a lists eth1
[10:28] <maxamillion> beg1689: "sudo ifup eth1"
[10:29] <maxamillion> beg1689: "sudo dhclient eth1"
[10:29] <beg1689> tried that
[10:29] <beg1689> i get those erros i said
[10:29] <aro> ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid
[10:29] <aro> That's how I got it
[10:29] <beg1689> SCIOCSIFFLAGS: Device or Resource is Busy
[10:31] <beg1689> its listed as eth1 because i switched network cards, thought that my be the problem
[10:31] <maxamillion> aro: ah, good to know
[10:31] <maxamillion> beg1689: oh, yeah ... probably is
[10:31] <gdboling> I need to disable the ALT-INSERT shortcut.  I can't seem to figure out where to do this.  I am using Xfce 4.4.
[10:31] <beg1689> i mean, i thought it was a bad card, so i switched
[10:31] <beg1689> they both give the same error
[10:32] <maxamillion> oh
[10:41] <beg1689> gdboling: Settings -> Window Manager Settings
[10:41] <gdboling> ahh, ok.  Thanks.  I was looking at the same config but in the UI settings.
[10:42] <gdboling> perfect, working now.  Thanks again beg1689
[10:42] <beg1689> no problem
[10:42] <beg1689> fixed my problem as well, was just a strange bios option
[10:43] <beg1689> i was looking for a plug & play OS option but there i had to change one that said "Installed OS:" from Windows to Other
[10:44] <gdboling> So what are the UI Settings shortcuts used for ?  How are they different from the Window Manager Settings?
[10:45] <beg1689> i dont see any shortcuts inUI settings
[10:46] <gdboling> oh crap,. I looked in Keyboard
[10:47] <rubmester> what program is used for opening .rar on linux?
[10:48] <Arkh> unrar-free
[10:49] <rubmester> kk
[10:50] <rubmester> how do i use it ^
[10:52] <hyper_ch> rubmester: hmm, have you already had a look at the man pages?
[10:52] <hyper_ch> !dcop
[10:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dcop - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:52] <Arkh> rubmester,
[10:52] <rubmester> well i just did a apt-get install unrar-free
[10:52] <Arkh> unrar x rar_package
[10:52] <rubmester> kk
[10:53] <pip> Hello,how to change the system to start into text mode environment other than X ?
[10:53] <Arkh> pip
[10:53] <pip> Arkh, Hi
[10:53] <hyper_ch> pip: interesting... normally everybody wants it the other way around :)
[10:53] <Arkh> disable x from starting
[10:53] <pip> how ?
[10:53] <beg1689> delete X
[10:54] <beg1689> jk
[10:54] <Arkh> sysv-rc-conf - SysV init runlevel configuration tool for the terminal
[10:54] <Arkh> install t5his
[10:54] <pip> t5his ?
[10:54] <Arkh> then start it with sudo sysv-rc-conf
[10:54] <Arkh> this*
[10:54] <pip> OK
[10:56] <pip> And how to enable the framebuffer ?
[10:56] <Arkh> err pip
[10:56] <Arkh> it is not done yet
[10:56] <pip> to make resolution of text mode look good
[10:56] <pip> not done ? what ?
[10:56] <Arkh> you have to disable x from starting or not?
[10:57] <pip> Arkh, As you know, I instlalled xubuntu on virtual machine ,it work slowly ,so I want to use text mode in hope of to be fast
[10:58] <Jester45> pip try pressing atl+F1 it will get you a text only
[10:58] <Jester45> then press alt+F7 to get back to gui
[10:59] <Jester45> once your ready for true text only then you can disable the xserver
[10:59] <Jester45> or... maybe gdm might be better im not sure
[10:59] <pip> why gdm is better ?
[10:59] <Arkh> pip
[10:59] <Arkh> sudo sysv-rc-conf
[11:00] <pip> Arkh, I haven't installed that package yet
[11:00] <Arkh> press space on the gdm entries
[11:00] <Arkh> do it then :P
[11:01] <Arkh> brb
[11:01] <pip> bye
[11:04] <Jester45> i meant that im not sure whats the best way to disable the gui
[11:07] <Tu_Neteru> Ok. I just reinstalled Xubuntu 6.10. Works fine.
[11:07] <Jester45> would anyone like to give me a few pointers on how to get started on a project. i have a shell script that converts any video to dvd format and burns the disc for you... but i would like to have a gui for the option inputs that way i have more control over thing like have NTSC or PAL in my script if you dont type them right you have to retry wich some of my friends/testers dont like so a drop down list would be great but i dont know what 
[11:07] <Tu_Neteru> But my Xubuntu 7.04 won't repartition the drive.
[11:07] <pip> Tu_Neteru, Why not 7.04?
[11:08] <Tu_Neteru> :-D Look up.
[11:08] <Tu_Neteru> And thanks for answering.
[11:08] <Tu_Neteru> ;-)
[11:09] <Tu_Neteru> I tried doing the download upgrade. After about an 8 hours it finally rebooted and said some service wasn't starting.
[11:09] <Tu_Neteru> So I got 7.04 via torrent. Checked the disk for errors.... NP
[11:10] <Tu_Neteru> But when I try to install it says it can't creat the ext3 file system.
[11:10] <Tu_Neteru> Same drive as I just installed 6.10 on.
[11:10] <Tu_Neteru> So it's not the hardware.
[11:11] <Tu_Neteru> I tried deleteing all partitions, and letting the installer figure it out.
[11:11] <Tu_Neteru> I tried defining the partitions mannually.
[11:12] <grazie> Tu_Neteru: I don't know why you're having problems with 7.04, but you could set up the disk with 6.10 cd ready to install 7.04
[11:12] <pip> is runlevel 5 the default level ?
[11:12] <Tu_Neteru> Is there some reason a 1.8" 20GB Toshiba drive wouldn't work under 7.04?
[11:13] <Jester45> or stick with 6.10 and wait for next update
[11:13] <Jester45> :) sorry, my windows was showing again
[11:13] <maxamillion> LOL
[11:13] <Tu_Neteru> S'okay. I'm a noob trying to kick the Widows habbit too.
[11:14] <Tu_Neteru> I have Ubuntu Ultimate 1.3 on my main system.
[11:14] <Tu_Neteru> Just with I could run Poser and Daz3D under it.
[11:15] <Jester45> im not that nooby to linux but compared to others i am
[11:15] <Jester45> i started with 6.06
[11:15] <grazie> Tu_Neteru: what the interface to your problem disk?
[11:15] <Tu_Neteru> I haven't used SERIOUS CLI stuff since I got rid of my Amiga 1200 in 94. :-p
[11:16] <pip> Tu_Neteru, what kind of your HD is ?
[11:16] <Tu_Neteru> It's an IDE connection.
[11:16] <pip> Tu_Neteru, I see,SATA IDE ?
[11:17] <Tu_Neteru> 1.8" adapter to Toshiba MK2004GAL
[11:17] <Jester45> arrg
[11:17] <Tu_Neteru> PATA
[11:17] <Tu_Neteru> No SATA on this Ol' unit.
[11:17] <Jester45> whats PATA
[11:17] <Tu_Neteru> It's a 1.1Ghz Celery with 256MB.
[11:18] <Tu_Neteru> Parralel ATA.
[11:18] <pip> I dont know if ubuntu kernel support such kind of HD drive
[11:18] <grazie> Tu_Neteru: really can't see why you've got problems :(
[11:18] <Tu_Neteru> Must be something that breaks with 7.04 then.
[11:18] <pip> I heard that Debian doesn't support SATA drive
[11:18] <Tu_Neteru> Cause 6.10 is workign fine.
[11:18] <h3sp4wn> pip: that is completely untrue
[11:18] <Jester45> Tu_Neteru: so its 2x the speed or 1/2 (im not good with wiring)
[11:19] <pip> h3sp4wn, OK : )
[11:19] <Jester45> pip: nobody would use debian is there is no SATA
[11:19] <h3sp4wn> pip: even sarge supports some s-ata drives (now etch is stable with 2.6.18) so it definately
[11:19] <Tu_Neteru> Not sure. It's basically an iPod Drive.
[11:20] <Jester45> Tu_Neteru: probly 1/2 the speed b/c ipods arent to drive heavy
[11:20] <Tu_Neteru> It's 4200 RPM.
[11:20] <rubmester> : ERROR: cannot open `/home/kimh/Desktop/Downloads/intimid-afterdarkhorrorfestthehamiltons-limited.rar' (No such file or directory)
[11:20] <pip> xubuntu dpesn't support cpu frequency scaling ?
[11:20] <Tu_Neteru> Not a big performer, but this PC is very small anyway.
[11:20] <Jester45> but thats a small drive
[11:21] <pip> *doesn't
[11:21] <Arkh> pip,  it does
[11:22] <Jester45> Tu_Neteru: run the command "sudo hdparm -t /dev/hardrivehere" in a terminal see how fast it is
[11:22] <pip> so vmware doesn 't : )
[11:22] <Jester45> pip: it supports scaling
[11:23] <h3sp4wn> vmware acts funny if the timer is not 100hz
[11:23] <Jester45> hz or khz
[11:23] <Jester45> or mhz
[11:23] <pip> h3sp4wn, how funny ?
[11:23] <Jester45> lol
[11:23] <Jester45> useable funny ?
[11:24] <Arkh> no
[11:24] <Arkh> it is funny when it screws up
[11:24] <Arkh> XD
[11:24] <Jester45> would anyone like to give me a few pointers on how to get started on a project. i have a shell script that converts any video to dvd format and burns the disc for you... but i would like to have a gui for the option inputs that way i have more control over thing like have NTSC or PAL in my script if you dont type them right you have to retry wich some of my friends/testers dont like so a drop down list would be great but i dont know what 
[11:25] <Jester45> i would have to say for me beryl is mostly counter-productive
[11:25] <Tu_Neteru> getting a bunch of command not founds.
[11:25] <Jester45> im having fun with my icons chasing me around
[11:25] <Jester45> like what
[11:25] <Tu_Neteru> Why would speed have anything to dow tih it?
[11:26] <Jester45> with what
[11:26] <pip> vmware suck now : ) xubuntu acts like a slow animation
[11:26] <h3sp4wn> pip: Its ok if you use the server kernel
[11:26] <Tu_Neteru> Noob question alert.
[11:26] <h3sp4wn> pip: It always did suck (Other than I guess ESX)
[11:26] <Tu_Neteru> What is Beryl eactly?
[11:27] <Tu_Neteru> Is it a DTE, WM?
[11:27] <Jester45> its a opengl accerated desktop
[11:27] <pip> h3sp4wn, do you use qemu  ?
[11:27] <Tu_Neteru> Yeah, but what is it replacing?
[11:27] <Jester45> it uses opengl to disply your desktop so that i can have cool effects
[11:27] <BFTD> wow
[11:28] <Jester45> it kinda replaces the xserver
[11:28] <predaeus> nothing actually it is a compositor and enhances what your WM displays.
[11:28] <BFTD> 5 hours until i have 7.04
[11:28] <Tu_Neteru> So it's sort of an X accelerator?
[11:28] <Jester45> deaccelerator
[11:28] <Tu_Neteru> lol
[11:28] <Jester45> addes effects tho
[11:28] <BFTD> 27 out of 1704 packages downloaded
[11:29] <Jester45> BFTD: good foryou
[11:29] <BFTD> argh
[11:29] <BFTD> GO FASTER!!!!
[11:29] <Jester45> Tu_Neteru: look on google for some videos
[11:29] <predaeus> it uses glx etc to render windows and stuff that your WM renders on X with opengl instead of software rendering, and it also adds effects and functionality.
[11:29] <Tu_Neteru> I've seen what Beryl does, but ...
[11:29] <Jester45> like your desktops are on a cube
[11:29] <Tu_Neteru> Ah!!! Predaeus just cleared it up.
[11:30] <Jester45> or.. bendable windows (fun)
[11:30] <BFTD> if thuis think fails half way through, does it pick up where it left off when i start it up again?
[11:30] <Tu_Neteru> Thanks Pred...
[11:30] <predaeus> actually "opengl instead of software rendering" is not exact. it will use hardware if your platform supports opengl on hardware :-)
[11:31] <Jester45> BFTD: depends on how your downloading it, upgrade from 6.10 or the iso
[11:31] <BFTD> 6.10
[11:31] <Jester45> if your upgrading it will not resume (i think)
[11:31] <h3sp4wn> pip: rarely - I use user-mode-linux or xen for the most part (I have kvm though)
[11:32] <BFTD> I'm upgrading via update-manager
[11:32] <Tu_Neteru> In my windows life, I do 3D modeling and stuff.
[11:32] <predaeus> BFTD, if you are using apt-get dist-upgrade you can CTRL-C anytime you want while downloading packages, it will resume next time from the beginning of the last package you did not finish download.
[11:32] <Jester45> Tu_Neteru: in my windows life i game
[11:32] <predaeus> Jester45, sounds familiar
[11:32] <Tu_Neteru> So I'm interested in Linux playing catch up.
[11:32] <Jester45> he is using update-manger
[11:33] <BFTD> predaeus but not with the update-manager?
[11:33] <Tu_Neteru> My online update boned my 6.10.
[11:33] <predaeus> yea, not sure probably it just uses apt-get in the back, but better ask around some more.
[11:33] <Jester45> predaeus: are you a gamer?
[11:34] <pip> h3sp4wn, how do you think of xen ?
[11:34] <Jester45> anyone here know why tremulous limites the fps to 90
[11:35] <eevar> possible to make ctrl+alt+shift + arrows move a window between workspaces instantly?
[11:35] <eevar> or perhaps some other key combo
[11:35] <BFTD> hrm
[11:35] <predaeus> it's some quake engine and that did that aswell. I think it needs 90fps (or was it 60, dunno) to do physics updates in between or something and you hardly need more than 30fps to see a smooth image.
[11:36] <BFTD> ok someone lead me through the dist-upgrade process
[11:36] <Jester45> BFTD: update-manger will not let you resume
[11:36] <BFTD> yeah
[11:36] <BFTD> thats not good
[11:36] <BFTD> my connection is to unstable
[11:36] <Jester45> predaeus: i just like to see the max i can get
[11:36] <BFTD> how do i cancel it haha
[11:36] <h3sp4wn> pip: how ? (those type of questions just make me go into infinity)
[11:37] <BFTD> no close button
[11:37] <pip> h3sp4wn, I see : ) My kernel doesn't have kv minside
[11:37] <Jester45> power button
[11:37] <Jester45> or power cable
[11:37] <BFTD> ps ax is just fine
[11:38] <BFTD> ojk
[11:38] <BFTD> now
[11:38] <BFTD> so i have to edit the sources.list right?
[11:38] <pip> *kvm
[11:38] <Jester45> yes
[11:38] <Jester45> change the words edgy with fiesty
[11:38] <Jester45> then apt-get update
[11:38] <Jester45> then apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:39] <BFTD> already feisty
[11:39] <BFTD> ok
[11:40] <BFTD> !!
[11:40] <BFTD> it saved the 60 I already downloaded from the update-manager
[11:40] <Qew> don't you need to do apt-get dist-upgrade twice, so that upstart can be installed?
[11:41] <BFTD> upstart?
[11:41] <BFTD> !info upstart
[11:41] <ubotu> upstart: event-based init daemon. In component main, is required. Version 0.3.8-1 (feisty), package size 155 kB, installed size 316 kB
[11:41] <BFTD> 6 hours
[11:41] <BFTD> sweet
[11:41] <Qew> well, I remember reading something like that... I'll find the page
[11:42] <Jester45> just run it again it cant hurt
[11:43] <BFTD> I'm gonna have to, 3 packages just failed to download
[11:43] <Merchelo> best use synaptic or update-manager -c to upgrade/install
[11:43] <BFTD> ??
[11:43] <h3sp4wn> pip: I don't run windows at all and both xen and user-mode-linux perform better than kvm
[11:43] <BFTD> what is update-manager -c do?
[11:44] <Jester45> synaptic uses apt
[11:44] <Qew> BFTD: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgradesManual
[11:44] <Merchelo> open a Terminal, and enter it.
[11:44] <pip> I see : )
[11:44] <Jester45> im guessing -c = cli
[11:44] <Qew> BFTD: "NOTE: The first run of dist-upgrade will upgrade everything except for upstart. After this a second dist-upgrade will finish the upgrade."
[11:45] <BFTD> !!
[11:45] <BFTD> I'm already at 200 out of 1500
[11:45] <Merchelo> it's ok, continue on
[11:46] <eevar> never mind, found the wm keyboard settings
[11:46] <BrendanM> Hey, so I'm thinking about upgrading to Fiesty. Anyone done it? Comments? Suggestions?
[11:47] <BFTD> BrendanM I'm doing it right now
[11:47] <Merchelo> BrendanM: use update-manager -c to upgrade
[11:48] <Merchelo> also, best check if your GFX card is supported offically in feisty
[11:50] <BrendanM> yeah, is there a list of GFX card/wireless card support for Feisty somewhere?
[11:50] <BrendanM> those are the two components I'm most worried about breaking.
[11:50] <BrendanM> Also, does the upgrade manager install in-place? Like, how many settings will I lose?
[11:51] <Merchelo> !feisty
[11:51] <ubotu> Ubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn) is the latest version of Ubuntu. Upgrading to Feisty: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.ubuntu.com/download - For BitTorrent downloads, see !Torrents
[11:53] <Merchelo> BrendanM: what card do you have?
[11:55] <BFTD> ok so yeah, a bunch of the packages failed to download, can i just hit ctrl+c and restart without having to redownload the already downloaded packages?
[11:56] <Merchelo> are you using apt-get ?
[11:56] <grazie> BFTD: I wouldn't
[11:57] <Arkh> BFTD, the already downloaded packages won't get downloaded again
[11:57] <BFTD> yeah apt-get
[11:57] <grazie> BFTD: I had similar problem so I regenerated my source.list with source-o-matic, which fixed the problem
[11:58] <Arkh> they are being saved in /var/cache/apt/archives
[11:58] <BrendanM> Merchelo, it's like an ATI radeon mobility 8500 or something. It works fine on 6.10
[11:59] <BFTD> ok it worked fine
[11:59] <BFTD> :)
[12:00] <Merchelo> !ati
[12:00] <SkullCrusher> I found getting my dial-up modem internet connection to work a little confusing someone told my to install kppp and it will be easier is this true?
[12:00] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:01] <Merchelo> BrendanM: should be ok, you can always revert back to the vesa driver for the GFX card. Or go about installing open source drivers for it after (see link above)
[12:03] <BFTD> SkullCrusher kppp is a KDE app, which means you'll have to install KDE libs
[12:04] <SkullCrusher> BFTD: Is there kppp like app for xubuntu?
[12:04] <BFTD> SkullCrusher most likely, but I'm not sure
[12:04] <BFTD> !dial-up
[12:04] <ubotu> You want to connect via dial-up? Read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto
[12:05] <SkullCrusher> I was told with xubuntu u can install gnome & kde app
[12:05] <BrendanM> Yeah, I am using the open source drivers
[12:05] <h3sp4wn> why not wvdial
[12:05] <h3sp4wn> !wvdial
[12:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wvdial - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:05] <h3sp4wn> !info wvdial
[12:05] <BrendanM> SkullCrusher, yes you can, but you'll have to install their dependencies...which sort of defeats the purpose of Xubuntu
[12:06] <ubotu> wvdial: PPP dialer with built-in intelligence. In component main, is optional. Version 1.56-1.1ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 92 kB, installed size 284 kB
[12:06] <SkullCrusher> I just installed konversation which the info says its for kde and it worked on this install of xubuntu
[12:09] <cassini> Okay, so here's the deal.  I decided it would be a good idea to sudo bash.  Then, not thinking, I tried to change the root password by running the command passwd.  Now...I can sudo bash without even having to enter a password.  How do I reset the root password and lock my system back up?
[12:10] <SkullCrusher> BrendanM: If i install kde or gnome apps it will make my xubuntu heavier on resources?
[12:10] <Arkh> cassini,
[12:10] <Arkh> sudo passwd
[12:10] <predaeus> cassini, are you sure? sudo passwords only timeout after about 15mins then you will have to reenter pw.
[12:10] <Arkh> predaeus is right :p
[12:10] <BFTD> SkullCrusher yes
[12:10] <BFTD> SkullCrusher if they're running
[12:11] <predaeus> cassini, open a new terminal and check if you can run sudo without entering the pw
[12:11] <BFTD> SkullCrusher I have my normal system running and its using 5% of the cpu and 120 MB of ram, I start up konqueror and it uses 50% of the cpu and 210 MB of ram
[12:12] <SkullCrusher> BFTD: on your xubuntu install?
[12:12] <cassini> predaeus, I can run sudo without entering a pw
[12:12] <BFTD> SkullCrusher yes
[12:12] <predaeus> cassini, oh well, then I don't know, sry.
[12:13] <cassini> predaeus, do you think running sudo passwd could help?
[12:14] <SkullCrusher> BFTD: what about when u run xubuntu apps they are alot lighter then kde or gnome apps right?
[12:14] <predaeus> probably, but I've no idea what exactly you did. Did you enter an empty pw? (if that is even possible)
[12:14] <BFTD> SkullCrusher yes they are
[12:15] <BFTD> cassini it just temporary, restart your computer and it'll ask for it again
[12:15] <cassini> predaeus, nope, I think I have to boot into single user mode
[12:15] <cassini> BFTD, I did and it's still doing it
[12:15] <predaeus> SkullCrusher, the nice thing with Ubuntu in general is that you can chose to also install KDE and Gnome apps if you want them and run them when needed.
[12:17] <h3sp4wn> kde apps are quite light (with prelinking and hence not using kdeinit and them configured in a minimalistic way)
[12:17] <BFTD> yeah I've ran KDE on a 128MB ram system
[12:18] <h3sp4wn> They can be made alot less bloated
[12:18] <SkullCrusher> will xubuntu run ok on a old celeron 333mhz 128mb of ram computer?
[12:19] <Arkh> mm the cpu is a bit old
[12:19] <Arkh> but it could run I think
[12:19] <Arkh> well no open office for you though SkullCrusher ;)
[12:20] <SkullCrusher> yeh thats ok abiword will do the trick
[12:20] <h3sp4wn> SkullCrusher: fluxbox would run perfectly
[12:20] <SkullCrusher> fluxbox?
[12:20] <h3sp4wn> !fluxbox
[12:21] <ubotu> fluxbox is a lightweight and responsive window manager for GNU/Linux. For how to set it up and more information see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fluxbox
[12:21] <predaeus> probably try http://fluxbuntu.org/
[12:21] <BFTD> I'm running Dreamlinux off of a 350 MHz PII, with 256 MB of ram
[12:21] <h3sp4wn> Is dreamlinux xfce or e17 (I forget) I know it uses engage
[12:23] <Tu_Neteru> I had trouble getting Dreamlinux to install too.
[12:23] <Tu_Neteru> :-p
[12:23] <Tu_Neteru> http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=MS-6215T&class=npc
[12:23] <Tu_Neteru> That's my system.
[12:23] <BFTD> h3sp4wn its a heavier built version of XFCE
[12:24] <h3sp4wn> BFTD: It uses the e17 dock I remember that
[12:25] <h3sp4wn> Ironic engage works still for other wm's but is broken for current e17
[12:25] <cassini> Alright, I'm good now :)