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DimicusHi guys. anyone can spare a min ?12:24
maccam94Dimicus: what's up?12:24
DimicusHI.. i have a prob with my soundcard. unusal as i understand :P12:24
Dimicusi cant use 2 sounddevice at same time12:24
Dimicuswhen im on teamspeak i cant play mp3 and viceversa12:25
Dimicusand as i understand i need full duplex soundcard12:25
Dimicusand my fiend has the same card and it work for him so i suppose it full duplex12:25
Dimicusi use fiesty fawn edubuntu12:25
Dimicusand my fiend use a older release12:26
Dimicusits a alc88012:26
stgraberIf you want to make two softwares using OSS (not alsa) you'll need a soundcard with hardware-mixing12:26
stgraberotherwise alsa mixing will do it for most of the other softwares12:26
maccam94sounds like you are having an issue with one or both of the apps not using esd (the esound daemon). check system -> preferences -> sound and make sure you're using esd and not alsa or oss. if esd is set, check out #ubuntu, they should be able to help with basic ubuntu issues like that ;-)12:27
stgraberDimicus: cat /proc/asound/pcm12:27
Laser_awaygonzaloaf_work: we moved the educational apps to the Server Add-on CD for 7.0412:28
Laser_awaygonzaloaf_work: it alows us to put more of them on and gives room for more server/low-level stuff on the 1st CD12:28
stgraberif you have : playback 2 or more it should works fine with TS and any other OSS software12:28
stgraberif you have : playback 1, then you'll only be able to use one software using OSS at a time12:29
stgraber(or will have to use artsd, esd, pulseaudio, or any other sound daemon)12:29
stgraber(but TS doesn't work with most of them)12:29
Dimicusthanx will check. tried #ubuntu but the problem is that that channel is so crowded noways so impposible to get help12:29
maccam94Dimicus: ah, makes sense12:30
stgraberthe full-duplex itself is being able to record+play sound at the same time, not being able to have multiple access to the sound card12:30
maccam94stgraber: well that's kind of teamspeak/mp3 playback12:31
maccam94although teamspeak is recording and playback12:31
stgraberteamspeak+mp3+Quake3 works just fine with my Audigy 2 ZS :)12:31
stgraberbut it has a 8 channels hardware-mixing12:31
stgraberotherwise you'll have sound problem for sure as soon as those softwares don't use alsa12:32
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gonzaloaf_workdoes anybody know if my clients can play sounds?12:34
maccam94i think that may be new in feisty, or else it's still in the works. i remember seeing it on the list of things to do on the ubuntu development site....12:35
DimicusOk i have made sure that i use esd on everything. teamspeak still not working. hoever i checked ct /proc/asound/pcm and it says i have playback 112:35
Dimicusso thats mean i needa new soundcard ?12:37
stgraberthere are some workarounds using artsd, but you may feel a delay while speaking on TS12:38
Dimicuswell i have another soundcard i can install so no worry tehre12:38
stgrabercheck out the wiki, I'm pretty sure to have seen that in it12:38
maccam94gonzaloaf_work: this might answer your question: Edubuntu LTSP Thin Client... The thin client boot-speed is improved in the new release, and LTSP sound support now enables volume control while providing sound to many more applications.12:39
Dimicusthanx for the answer guys realy appreciate it. hope you can help me with other things later on :) gonna fix lstp for a little home project ;)12:40
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lnsCan anyone vouch for the stability/usability of Sabayon?12:44
lnsI.E., is it something that would be better off in the testing lab, or in a production environment?12:45
Burgworkyes and mostly12:45
BurgworkI know of people that use it in production12:45
lnsBurgwork, it looks really really nice... it seems to be the answer to what my customer is asking for right now with Ubuntu/LTSP/Edubuntu for creating user profiles12:45
lnsThank you..I wanted to know from experienced users if it would be good to recommend using this, as long as it's not buggy12:46
lnsso many little apps are, it's hard to be sure sometimes when there's a lot riding on it12:46
Burgworkit does require a little bit of setup12:46
lnsBurgwork, does that mean a default profile? do you have any URLs i can study?12:47
Burgworkhttp://www.gnome.org/projects/sabayon/ldap.html12:47
Burgworkfor ldap12:47
lnsty!12:47
lnsman, i really need to get up to speed on ldap12:48
lnsthat seems like the true cornerstone of SO many awesome network setups and configurations12:48
gonzaloaf_workI dont know what happened, I put the correct user and password but my clients doesnt login, why?12:56
lnsgonzaloaf_work, can you elaborate at all on "clients doesnt login'?01:02
gonzaloaf_worklns, I enter the user then the password... it tries to log but it returns to the login window01:03
lnsgonzaloaf_work, have you examined the logs at all?01:04
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cliebow  gonzaloaf_work have  you tried ltsp-update-sshkeys?01:05
gonzaloaf_worklns, yep01:07
gonzaloaf_workcliebow, noup01:07
gonzaloaf_workcliebow, why should I do that?01:07
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cliebowthat helps sometimes..01:24
cliebowcause ldm is just a front  for ssh01:25
cliebowso the keys could  be mixed01:25
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=== Topic for #edubuntu: Order: http://shipit.edubuntu.org || Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu || http://www.edubuntu.org | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki | MEETING: every Wednesday see http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda | feisty (7.04) is released ! grab it while its hot ! http://www.edubuntu.org/Download | Upgraders see: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuLTSPUpgradeNotes
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Laser_awaydabaR: they are both approved04:23
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LaserJockand I think they'll be done primarily by the GSoC student04:24
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dabaRI am trying to figure out whether the GSoC program is aiming to produce open-source projects, or to develop free software:)06:18
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LaserJockdabaR: how do you mean?06:25
LaserJockdabaR: they are paying for students to work on a project for a summer06:26
dabaRSee, if I was the student, part of my work would be on motivating and building a community of people to work on my project with me.06:28
dabaRMaking people interested in my project, and wanting to contribute.06:29
dabaRMaybe that is cause I am into project management more than coding.06:29
dabaRI feel like open source is the process, free software is the product...06:30
dabaRI mean, that is how they talk about them in theory, in one reading.06:30
dabaRDunno. I am gonna get involved in the PyStart project(if plausible), so I can benefit from my involvement. I am hoping to learn python, pygtk, get involved with *buntu, learn about conducting open source...06:31
LaserJockwell06:32
dabaRAnd I think others may have interest in doing so. And any help to my GSoC project means I am more likely to get the money at the end.06:32
LaserJockGSoC is about starting a project06:32
LaserJockso they pay somebody to do some code06:32
LaserJockthe hope would be that a community would form around it06:32
ajmitchGSoC also requires that it be your own work that you submit06:33
LaserJockbut since there's payment for service involved it's not easy to allow a bunch of people to contribute while one person is getting paid06:33
dabaRajmitch: so, no community work allowed?06:34
LaserJockI don't know that it's not allowed exactly06:34
ajmitchit would make community work difficult06:34
dabaRI guess I should have read about how GSoC works to learn the answers to my questions. THat is what I will do next. I got my clue:)06:34
LaserJockbut I think it needs to be clear that the student did the work06:34
LaserJockbut I think the community is welcome to give tips, discuss the project, etc.06:35
dabaRAnd not contribute code. Weird. Google does not get open source in the end! ;)06:35
dabaRJust kidding, to make that clear...06:36
LaserJockthe students are required to provide the source in the end06:36
dabaRI meant get open source as in understand it.06:37
bimberii wonder who owns the copyright?06:37
LaserJockI think the student06:37
bimberigood06:38
dabaRI will research, and come back with some conclusions.06:38
dabaREach student (or her/his mentoring organization) must license all student GSoC code under a license palatable to the mentoring organization. Some organizations will require students to assign copyright to them, but many will allow them to retain copyright. If Google is a student's sponsoring organization, then the student keeps copyright to her/his code.06:41
dabaRPyStart will use GPL v2.06:42
dabaRI am pretty sure that it does not make sense that all code has to be produced by the student06:42
dabaRThanks a lot.06:44
bimberiI'd say if a student can have others do the work for them they deserve a reward for their ... entrepreneurship :)06:44
LaserJockwell, I'd say it would be against the spirit of GSoC to have other people do the work06:45
dabaRbimberi: same thoughts here.06:45
dabaRNoone is a fool...06:45
dabaRNoone will work if the guy that is getting paid is not.06:46
bimberiLaserJock: absolutely06:46
LaserJockdabaR: no, but if somebody offered to split the money if the other person did the work ...06:46
dabaRAnyhow, I have high hopes for my involvement the PyStart project.06:47
LaserJocksure06:47
LaserJockit just might take until the summer is over before the communit an really dig in06:47
dabaRLaserJock: I can see where you are going with it.06:47
dabaRWith your argument.06:48
dabaRLaserJock: And that is true too.06:48
LaserJockwell, the point is that student is being paid to learn and provide something for the community06:48
LaserJockhaving lots of people doing the work for them kinda defeats the point06:48
LaserJockthen it just becomes a "who get's the money" thing06:49
dabaRI am not suggesting I will do work for them. With them.06:50
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dabaRCause, I can maybe write the unit tests while he is doing the code.06:50
dabaRAnd proofread the docs...06:51
dabaRStuff like that. Get some experience with a GSoC project. Maybe do one myself next year.06:51
dabaRAnd both of those projects were suggested by the same guy, encompass.06:52
dabaRBoth were his ideas, afaik.06:52
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ajmitchhi highvoltage :)09:13
highvoltagehi ajmitch :)09:13
highvoltageajmitch: that was supposed to be a "/join #edubuntu" ;)09:13
ajmitchI know ;)09:13
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cbx33bbl guys09:57
cbx33;)09:57
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cbx33guys10:10
cbx33I need an A3 printer for LTSP environment10:10
cbx33can anyone recommend anything?10:10
dabaRcbx33: You are the mentor for PyStart, right? Are you also the mentor for the other project?10:11
cbx33dabaR: just pystart10:12
cbx33which other one were you talking about?10:12
dabaRCool. There was an idea by encompass that was? accepted for a grading program.10:12
cbx33yes10:13
dabaRYou are not the mentor for that one, though?10:13
cbx33no10:13
dabaRK. Well, I am Dan, and I am interested in participating in the PyStart project, by helping with quality assurance, and perhaps contributing some code. Is that acceptable under the GSoC program?10:14
cbx33tbph I'm not sure, though......10:14
cbx33on the coding part10:14
cbx33once GSoC is over......we'd love to have help on it10:15
ajmitchhey cbx33 :)10:15
dabaRI read the faq and terms on the GSoC page, and it seems that is perfectly fine. No need to answer now, if you are not sure, just thought I would let you know.10:16
cbx33dabaR: I will talk to the GSoC admins now10:16
dabaRTue Apr 24 03:20:24 CDT 200710:17
cbx33not here it's not10:17
cbx33ajmitch: Hey dude10:17
cbx33howz it going?10:17
dabaRJust so you know why if I do not reply right away.10:17
dabaRcbx33: Have you noticed this post? http://groups.drupal.org/node/3621 It could be a useful read for encompass. It is linked on the GSoC blog, as an example of what could be done by May 28. I am aware that encompass is planning/doing most of it.10:24
dabaRcbx33: also, I am curious about the post by the person that replied to encompass' post to the -devel list, about using gettext to allow for I18N, and L10N. Is gettext something that is commonly used within Edubuntu?10:25
cbx33hmmm10:30
cbx33well tbph10:30
cbx33there havn't been many educational apps developed by the edubutnu community10:30
dabaRbut there are members that are familiar with some of the code. I bet someone knows the answer. I can find out, thanks.10:31
dabaRI can just read the source, even ;)10:31
cbx33translation should be an issue at all10:31
cbx33get text isn't hard from what I've heard ;)10:31
cbx33but tbh I've never used it10:31
dabaRK. Good night. I will leave this open, so let me know when you find out what kind of help is acceptable.10:32
cbx33dabaR: well10:32
cbx33I've just finished speaking to the admin10:32
cbx33if you have a few minutes?10:32
dabaRYup10:32
cbx33right10:32
cbx33so....10:32
cbx33I will have to talk to encompass about this, but10:32
cbx33if we are able to create pystart as a seperate entity,10:33
cbx33then it is possible for him to write the bits that are covered by GSoC10:33
cbx33and you to write....extensions to that10:33
cbx33but10:33
cbx33we will also require testing10:34
cbx33beta testing and feedback will be very important10:34
cbx33and it's probaable that translation won't feature within Jasons spec10:34
cbx33so...it could be an area that needs help10:34
cbx33I will chat to Jason when I get a sec10:34
cbx33we are supposed to be having our weekly meeting soon10:35
cbx33;)10:35
dabaRI don't get something here. I find it strange that an open source project would not be open to everyone to develop. But, rules are rules. We will see as it goes along what is acceptable. And I can still read all the code, and that.10:35
cbx33no no10:35
cbx33it's not like that at all10:35
cbx33Google have to see what the students have done10:35
cbx33it has to be clearly defined10:35
cbx33so...10:36
cbx33like...X wrote a divX plugin for mplayer etc10:36
cbx33it can't be...here are some diffs10:36
ajmitchnor is the mentor going to be coding half of it ;)10:36
cbx33indeed10:36
dabaRRight. What I am envisioning is X led the development of a divX plugin for mplayer10:36
cbx33no10:37
cbx33it's Google Summer of Code.....the student does all the coding10:37
dabaRA-ha.10:37
dabaROK. Well, nice to meet you ^_^10:37
cbx33mentors are there for direction quality control and assistance if the student gets stuck10:37
cbx33but10:37
ajmitch& helping them integrate into the community10:37
cbx33indeed10:37
cbx33thanks ajmitch10:37
cbx33but there is no reason why you can't help out on it, if you wish to10:38
cbx33it just may not be hard and fast coding10:38
dabaRRight. I understand.10:38
cbx33not till the GSoC portion is over any who10:38
cbx33make sense?10:38
dabaRCompletely.10:38
cbx33good10:38
ajmitchonce that part is over, it's wide open for everyone10:38
cbx33;)10:38
cbx33I'm hoping once it's open more people will jump in10:38
ajmitchreminds me that I should get back to people on the patches for authtool, if I see them on irc10:38
dabaRWhat about a suite of unit tests for the code? Sorry to keep you.10:39
cbx33well10:39
cbx33infact10:39
cbx33writing some of the content for the release would be great10:39
cbx33I don't see that as infringing at all10:39
cbx33there will be some lessons needed10:39
cbx33etc ;)10:39
cbx33so that pystart has some files to use to show10:39
cbx33once the framework is in place, that'll be something that can start10:42
cbx33dabaR: can you drop me a mail....10:42
cbx33so i can mail you when things are at that stage10:42
dabaRWhat framework?10:42
cbx33wel...10:43
cbx33the lesson files will be in some kind of xml format10:43
cbx33but Jason is still designing that10:43
dabaRis googlemail(in your contact page on the blog site) a spam trap for gmail?10:44
dabaRDo I translate googlemail to gmail in other words.10:45
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dabaRI have been talking with encompass through gmail. I instructed him on how to set up a dynamic DNS host name for his computer. I am not sure I will be interested in creating the lessons, but you can email me. I am definitely interested in what contributions are welcomed. I am a CS student, though, so there is a limited number of things I am interested in within the project.10:50
dabaRcbx33:10:50
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cbx33ping ogra12:33
cbx33one last quick question12:33
cbx33for the book12:33
cbx33the bootfile name12:33
cbx33ltsp/i386/pxelinux.012:33
ograyou are missing a slash12:34
ografilename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0"12:34
ograerr12:34
ografilename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";12:34
cbx33yeh12:40
cbx33but in the chapter it was written as12:40
cbx33 ltsp/pxelinux.012:41
cbx33hmmm12:41
cbx33for a windows machine that works12:41
cbx33i mean without the slahs12:41
cbx33but i need the i38612:41
cbx33;)12:41
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ToyitoHi there02:19
Toyitothis is my first time here anibody there?????02:20
ograonly 39 people :)02:21
Toyitooopss02:22
Toyitoha ha ha02:22
Toyitohey can u help me pls...02:22
Toyitoi have a little problem whit Edubuntu Feisty...02:22
ograshoot02:22
Toyitook i have a fresh install...alll works fine but i dont have sound on Flash in the thin clients....(H)02:23
Toyitoi have system sound but not in flash.....02:24
Toyito??????02:29
ograhmm02:29
ograflash should just use alsa ...02:37
Toyitoyes....in Feisty my thin clients are using Alsa02:40
ograyup, i know i implemented it :)02:41
ograi wonder why flash doesnt do that02:41
ogralooks like a bug in flash to me ...02:49
ograit should pick that up02:49
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Toyitoyup and i am in a big problem....my boos want to make a presentation of the new lab...:-S02:52
Toyitoany tip?02:52
Toyitohttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=420299&highlight=Feisty+flash02:53
Toyitoother like me...02:53
Toyitohey Ogra what do you know a way to fix flash sound in Edgy?02:54
ograwell, thats running an 32bit firefox an amd64 ... completely different prob02:54
ograflash sound in edgy worked fine afaik02:54
ograat least i never had problems here02:55
ograand there are no bugs about it02:55
Toyitoi think this is my problem....i have an AMD 64bits machine as server....im installing now on a P IV....02:55
ograoh02:55
Toyitohe...a little mistake......02:55
ograhow did you get flash on there at all ?02:55
Toyitojust installing from Synaptic02:56
Toyitoim using i386 arch...hey but in the AMD flash sound is ok on the server02:56
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ograah, ok02:57
Toyitojust tcs have problems02:57
ograthats not related to the amd64 then02:57
ograif you run the i386 distro02:57
Toyitook02:57
Toyitoim running the i386 distro on an AMD 64 machine, do u think this is a problem?02:58
ograno02:58
Toyitoso?02:59
ograthat actually the best you can do unless you have more than 4G of RAM in the amd6502:59
ogra*6402:59
Toyitook...i only have 2Gb.02:59
ograwell, its definately a bug in flash, i fear there is not much i can do about it right away ...03:01
ograi'll look into it if i can find a workaround or so ...03:01
ograat least since you say all other sounds work as expected ...03:03
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Toyitook thanks a lot03:09
Toyitoill be waiting for any help03:09
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bddebianHeya03:12
Toyitohey03:12
bddebianHello Toyito03:12
ToyitoHello03:13
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Toyitoany help on Feisty flash soun on thin clients???03:53
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sbalneavMorning all04:10
Toyitomorning04:10
Toyitodid you get sound on thin clients using fiesty????04:11
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sbalneavYep, they work for me04:37
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th1aHi RichEd.05:10
RichEdhi tom ...05:10
RichEdlooking forward to meeting you in the flesh05:10
th1aI have a couple questions about the summit.05:10
ograhey tom05:10
th1aIndeed.  You too.05:10
RichEdsure ... fire away05:10
th1aHi ogra.05:10
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th1aHow long is my SchoolTool talk?05:11
th1aogra: Yes, the two of you have a lot to talk about.05:11
ogragreat :)05:11
ogralookig forward to that ...05:11
th1aI didn't want to be stuck trying to explain the issues in Zope 3 component packaging.05:11
ograi was very sad we couldnt ship shooltool this release .... that shouldnt happen again in the future05:11
th1aogra: Yes, that's the goal.05:12
ograwell, feisty is out ... lets not moan about spiled milk ;)05:12
ogra*spilled05:12
th1aWe just had our head down writing code while the packaging issues steadily piled up.05:12
RichEdth1a: you can do a 30 min presentation to a general audience, 10 mins q&a05:12
ograwe'll do better in gutsy05:12
th1aogra: This summit should help.  Plus we've got a lot more working code now!05:12
ograyay05:13
RichEdand then you can also have a BOF discussion session with the technical track ... either in UES or in UDS05:13
LaserJockRichEd: is there a schedule up for UES yet?05:13
th1aRichEd: OK, so the 30 minute talk is more to educators, administrators, etc.05:13
RichEdi.e. 30 mins sales pitch ... to get the demand up05:13
th1aRichEd: OK.05:13
RichEdand then a roll up sleeves, what needs to be done by who, when to deliver05:14
RichEdLaserJock: need to have it done by 3:00 pm tomorrow my time05:14
RichEdthat will be my morning05:14
RichEd(time spoken for)05:14
ograwhats that in utc ?05:14
th1aRichEd: You had also initially mentioned doing a talk on "open source in ed in the US," which I have been planning in my head, but I guess it isn't on the agenda now.05:14
ograi have a talk on the openweek tomorrow05:14
LaserJockany of you guys getting to seville on the evening of the 2nd?05:15
RichEdLaserJock: yep most should be ... I will05:15
LaserJockI was hoping somebody would be taking that same Madrid->Seville filght05:16
LaserJock*flight05:16
RichEdLaserJock: I'll be in seville from the monday evening via paris ... no help05:16
th1aRichEd: If you'd like me to give a short talk on that topic, I can, but I haven't spent serious time on it, so I won't be offended if it doesn't fit the schedule now.05:17
RichEdth1a: we'll have lightning talks as the last session on each day ... 5-10 mins ... to stimulate debate and chats around the dinner table / bar05:18
RichEdno prep needed, just a forum to raise ideas / concerns / onservations05:18
RichEdso that would fit well there05:18
LaserJock"Edubuntu rocks! kthxbye" ;-)05:18
th1aOK, I'll do that.  Do I need to sign up on the wiki?05:19
RichEdI'll be updating the wiki tomorrow:05:19
RichEdattendees05:19
RichEdagenda05:19
RichEdBOFs05:19
RichEdetc.05:19
RichEdWill add you there05:19
th1aRichEd: Thanks.05:19
th1aogra: Another thing we'll need to talk about is SIF -- I'm working on a "Zone Integration Server" that only uses stuff in Ubuntu core (mod_python, sqlite, simpletal, etc.) so it should be easy to package.05:20
ograth1a, i dont mid iling main inclusion reports if you need other stuff :)05:21
ogra*filing05:21
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th1aogra: Actually, these are turning out to be excellent choices anyhow.  Also, everything is in Fedora and probably will be on the OLPC server, so it makes sense all around.05:22
ogracool05:22
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ogra:)05:46
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dabaRHi,.06:41
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LaserJockhi dabaR06:48
dabaRhi06:48
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LaserJockogra: you might find this interesting: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42006308:25
ograLaserJock, i have mail from upstream aready08:27
ogra*already08:27
LaserJockcool08:28
LaserJockI didn't quite get the license, but it seems like it might be suitable for at least Multiverse08:28
ograyep08:29
ograimpara (the company behind it is from germany)08:29
ograthey complain about broken GL support in our package btw08:34
LaserJockin what package?08:34
ograWir benutzen08:34
ograzur Zeit unsere eigene und nicht die Ubuntu-Squeak-Version, weil diese08:34
ograProbleme mit OpenGL hat.08:34
ograwe are currently using our own squeak version because upstream has problems with OpenGL08:35
ogras/upstream/the Ubuntu-Squeak-Version/08:35
ograsorry08:35
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LaserJockah08:37
LaserJockwell, our Squeak needs redone08:38
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ograyeah08:44
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bluekujacbx33: ping09:40
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lnsI know this is ubuntu-specific, but has anyone here upgraded 6.06 to 7.04 on a 64-bit architecture with 32-bit thin clients?10:32
cliebowlns: i believe you  will have  to  build the client on a 32 b it  machine if  clients are 32 bit..so  update feisty  on server then download perhaps the chroot tarball and dump it in /opt/ltsp11:00
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lnscliebow, when I installed Edgy I used a commandline parm. for building the chroot, something like --arch-i386 - would that work, you think?11:16
lnsCan't remember the command to build it, i think it was build-client-chroot or similar11:16
lnsahh, ltsp-build-client11:18
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