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=== Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Feisty Out! http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.04-release.php | Bugs! https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs | test KDE 4 "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde4-3.80.3/ edgy main"
=== Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by Riddell at Thu Apr 19 16:22:08 2007
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[06:21] <manchicken_> I found a graphics card that works in LTS but not Feisty.
[06:21] <manchicken_> S3 something
[06:22] <manchicken_> I'm going to get a hardware profile and submit it tomorrow.
[06:22] <manchicken_> Nighty night folks.
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[09:52] <jpetso> Riddell: ping
[09:52] <jpetso> Riddell: yesterday i noticed that pptp-linux is not installed with the default desktop cd installer
[09:53] <jpetso> Riddell: that thing is crucial for us austrians to get logged into adsl
[09:53] <jpetso> Riddell: who should i bug with this?
[09:54] <Hobbsee> pptp-linux?
[09:54] <Hobbsee> !info pptp-linux feisyt
[09:54] <ubotu> pptp-linux: Point-to-Point Tunneling Protocol (PPTP) Client. In component main, is optional. Version 1.7.0-2ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 40 kB, installed size 164 kB
[09:54] <Hobbsee> good question.  wait for Riddell
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[10:11] <giangy> 'morning
[10:11] <Hobbsee> hiya
[10:11] <giangy> Hobbsee: ahyo :-)
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[11:39] <Riddell> jpetso: pptp is on ship, so it's on the CD
[11:40] <jpetso> Riddell: but it's not in Adept after installing Kubuntu, not even as "not installed"
[11:40] <jpetso> Riddell: who should know that it's there, and how to get it from the CD
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[11:42] <Riddell> jpetso: fair point
[11:43] <jpetso> Riddell: in more ancient versions, i can remember that it was listed as "not installed", and could easily be gotten
[11:43] <jpetso> Riddell: seems like something has changed in the initial repository handling
[11:45] <Riddell> well, alternate CDs will add themselves to the sources.list so it'll be available from that, live CDs don't so people will indeed need to do some searching
[11:45] <Riddell> I'll discuss it with the seed master at UDS
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[01:10] <jpetso> Riddell: thanks! (catched up to your response only now)
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[03:12] <bddebian> Heya
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[03:34] <Riddell> neversfelde: know anyone going to linuxtag?
[03:35] <neversfelde> Riddell: Czessi for example
[03:35] <sebas> Riddell: /me
[03:36] <Riddell> canonical is looking for someone to do a talk
[03:36] <Riddell> about kubuntu
[03:36] <Riddell> along with sladen talking about ubuntu
[03:37] <Riddell> Czessi: how are your talking skills?
[03:37] <sebas> I'm doing a talk about KDE, could do one about Kubuntu as well. I still have slides from the local LUG meeting.
[03:39] <sebas> So you could keep me as a backup
[03:39] <Riddell> or even the primary :)
[03:39] <sebas> Or that.
[03:39] <sebas> I've got to earn back that t-shirt
[03:40] <Riddell> true, so does ade infact
[03:40] <Riddell> _seaLne: how much are those t-shirts again?
[03:40] <sebas> Did ade get a t-shirt as well?
[03:40] <neversfelde> I think talking is not Czessis favourite hobby
[03:40] <sebas> He only wears his old ones lately
[03:40] <Riddell> he scrounged one while in glasgow
[03:41] <sebas> That bastard.
[03:43] <Czessi> Riddell:  \sh is also going to linuxtag. i think, he is the right guy for it
[03:44] <jjesse> morning
[03:46] <Riddell> \sh: how's your speaking skills?
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[03:53] <kwwii> if it comes down to just speaking, I am very good at that ;-)
[03:54] <Riddell> kwwii: oh aye, forgot you were going.  fancy being the Kubuntu half of the talk?
[03:55] <kwwii> Riddell: a) how long is it; b) what is it exactly about; c) who can help with the info I should present
[03:58] <sebas> kwwii: I can get you my slides (they're in EN)
[04:00] <Riddell> kwwii: see #canonical
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[04:06] <nixternal> Riddell: https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/krename/+bug/107552
[04:06] <ubotu> Malone bug 107552 in krename "krename crash if i want rename files again." [Low,Fix committed] 
[04:06] <nixternal> I attached a feisty debdiff to fix that
[04:07] <nixternal> !info krename edgy
[04:07] <ubotu> krename: Powerful batch renamer for KDE 3.x. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.0.12-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 315 kB, installed size 1240 kB
[04:08] <Riddell> nixternal: don't change the maintainer or add XSBC-; distro to feisty-proposed and explain if why not updating the preview won't affect the user, then subscribe ubuntu-sru
[04:08] <kwwii> sebas: I'd love to have your slides, if possible
[04:08] <nixternal> it crashes out of the dpkg-buildpackage if I don't do it
[04:09] <nixternal> so leave the maintainer field alone then?
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[04:13] <Riddell> nixternal: yes, minimal changes only allowed for -updates
[04:13] <nixternal> roger
[04:14] <Riddell> nixternal: you need to edit a script to stop it quitting, just grep for whatever the error message is and put a hash infront of that line
[04:14] <sebas> kwwii: possible. I'll email them.
[04:18] <nixternal> OK, fixed dpkg-source to stop that silly warning and stopper for maintainer
[04:19] <nixternal> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17404/
[04:20] <nixternal> is that small enough now?
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[04:26] <manchicken> Michael Dell runs Ubuntu Feisty Fawn...
[04:26] <manchicken> http://www.dell.com/content/topics/global.aspx/corp/biographies/en/msd_computers?c=us&l=en&s=corp
[04:26] <manchicken> heh
[04:28] <kwwii> sebas: great, thanks :-)
[04:32] <\sh> Riddell, what?
[04:33] <\sh> Riddell, I don't have time to speak on linuxtag...I'm busy doing kubuntu booth, FAI booth and some promoting stuff for LPI and my company
[04:34] <Riddell> \sh: is cool, kwwii will do it
[04:34] <\sh> Riddell, what I can try to do is a 2nd talk during froscon about kubuntu...
[04:34] <\sh> next to my fai talk
[04:36] <sebas> kenworldwartwo: slides sent
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[05:03] <nixternal> Riddell: OK, I think I got bug 107552 correct. Can you comment, or anyone for that matter on if I have that correct? If not, I will make changes shortly from school. Thanks!
[05:03] <ubotu> Malone bug 107552 in krename "krename crash if i want rename files again." [Low,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107552
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[05:31] <DaSkreech> Hello everyone :)
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[05:55] <LongPointyStick> yay, krename
[05:55] <LongPointyStick> hi DaSkreech
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[05:55] <LongPointyStick> night all!
[05:56] <DaSkreech> Hi LongPointyStick
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[06:05] <Guid> Hi _o/
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[08:27] <mhb> good evening folks
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[08:29] <zebulon> hi
[08:29] <zebulon> I have a question about Adept in Feisty
[08:30] <zebulon> Now that it uses checkboxes (instead of editing directly /etc/apt/sources.list), how does it know the actual distribution is Feisty?
[08:31] <DaSkreech> lsb_release -a
[08:31] <zebulon> ok, thanks
[08:32] <zebulon> So when lsb package is updated in gutsy, Adept will use gutsy channels when selected through the checkboxes.
[08:33] <zebulon> is it right?
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[08:36] <Riddell> yes
[08:37] <zebulon> many thanks.
[08:38] <\sh> hmm??
[08:38] <\sh> when lsb-base/lsb-release will be updated, adept will use gutsies repos? did I understand that correctly?
[08:39] <zebulon> that was I was asking: how adept maps the "Kubuntu release" checkboxes with the current distribution
[08:39] <zebulon> since it is not specified in Adept, Adept has to take the repository name somwhere
[08:40] <zebulon> so apprently this is by using the output of lsb_release -a, if I understood correctly.
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[08:42] <\sh> I would say, when you use gutsy, you updated your sources.list already
[08:42] <Riddell> that's true too :)
[08:42] <\sh> so it's normal that you will see "gutsy" as release
[08:43] <zebulon> \sh: sure, but in that case, in the current Adept, gutsy reps appear as third parties, not in the main "Kubuntu reps" tab (with checkboxes).
[08:43] <\sh> zebulon, then adept is doing a fetch of all dist files on archive.ubuntu.com or on the mirrors
[08:43] <zebulon> At one moment in Gutsy development, the transfer from third-party reps to the main ones has to occur
[08:44] <zebulon> And this was the meaning of my question: how does that occur, and this is through a lsb release update
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[08:45] <zebulon> Actually my question was regarding the internals of Adept instead of the update process itself :)
[08:45] <\sh> zebulon, using the source of adept
[08:45] <\sh> in kubuntu_updater
[08:46] <\sh>   if (developmentVersion) {
[08:46] <\sh>           upgradeURL = config->readEntry(QString("upgradeURL"), QString("http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-development"));
[08:46] <\sh>         } else {
[08:46] <\sh>           upgradeURL = config->readEntry(QString("upgradeURL"), QString("http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release"));
[08:46] <zebulon> thanks \sh, inetresting
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[08:47] <_StefanS_> evening
[08:47] <\sh> zebulon, if you have ubuntus deb-src lines in your sources.list, do an apt-get source adept...and read for yourself :)
[08:48] <zebulon> \sh, thanks :)
[08:48] <zebulon> need to go, many thanks for your answers guys.
[08:48] <_Sime_> sebas: ping!
[08:48] <\sh> zebulon, every time :)=
[08:51] <\sh> Riddell, is mornfall still working on adept?
[08:52] <Riddell> \sh: he hopes so, but I don't think he has much time for it
[08:55] <sebas> _Sime_: pong
[08:55] <_Sime_> sebas: Hi, I'm working out travel for akademy.
[08:55] <_Sime_> sebas: have you got anything booked yet?
[08:55] <sebas> Nope, probably going by train
[08:56] <sebas> ade's taking the train as well
[08:56] <_Sime_> not flying?
[08:56] <sebas> Nope :)
[08:56] <\sh> Riddell, I think he is busy with RH?
[08:57] <sebas> Nijmegen - Roosendaal - Brussels - London - Glasgow, should take ~12hrs
[08:58] <_Sime_> I'll check that out...
[08:58] <_Sime_> sebas: leaving on the friday?
[08:58] <sebas> I think so, yes
[08:59] <sebas> _Sime_: I think it's ~200 EUR by train
[09:00] <_Sime_> it's about ~200 euro by plane.
[09:00] <sebas> Well :)
[09:00] <_Sime_> looking at the ns planner, the trip to Londen looks awful.
[09:00] <sebas> How so?
[09:02] <Riddell> ns planner?
[09:03] <Riddell> I'd use eurostar.com and firstscotrail.com
[09:03] <_Sime_> sebas: the trip contains a long boot ride. I'll try using brussels as a waypoint.
[09:04] <sebas> _Sime_: No boat, from Brussels, that's the Eurostar to London
[09:04] <_Sime_> I'm looking up eurostar now...
[09:04] <sebas> We ususally use treinreiswinkel.nl =)
[09:10] <_Sime_> all i want is something that will plan it all out without me needed to duct-tape 3 different websites together in my head.
[09:13] <Riddell> boat?  ferry to Edinburgh?
[09:14] <sebas> _Sime_: treinreiswinkel.nl :)
[09:14] <sebas> They send tickets and schedule
[09:14] <_Sime_> sebas: ja ja
[09:14] <_Sime_> sebas: it says that I can't book that trip on the 'net
[09:14] <Riddell> british transport is entirely disconnected from the continent
[09:14] <sebas> Yeah, international trains booking online sucks donkey balls
[09:15] <_StefanS_> hmm how do I find out if Algorithm::Diff is present in some of the perl-modules available in feisty ?
[09:16] <DaSkreech> anyone uses mateedit?
[09:16] <_StefanS_> ah :D found it
[09:16] <_StefanS_> DaSkreech: nope sorry
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[09:17] <Riddell> _StefanS_: cool, you can try the Kubuntu CD on it
[09:17] <Riddell> _StefanS_: no idea about perl I'm afraid
[09:17] <_StefanS_> Riddell: surely I will :)
[09:18] <_StefanS_> Riddell: found it :) - it was called libalgorithm-diff-perl
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[09:18] <_StefanS_> sort of the reverse order
[09:18] <_StefanS_> is kate a good perl editor, or should I go with komodo or something (?)
[09:19] <_StefanS_> hmm kate doesn't seem to do function lookups
[09:19] <_StefanS_> komodo it is.
[09:20] <_Sime_> sebas: I'm planning to depart on the friday and return on the thursday. What are your plans?
[09:22] <_StefanS_> hmm all this fuss about netbeans being included in feisty; it just basically means you have download it yourself first ? :)
[09:23] <_StefanS_> I just managed to spend $1458 for that ps3 in total.. jeeez. When you do stuff, you have to go all the way hehe
[09:25] <DaSkreech> There is a PPC-ps3 Kubuntu CD ?
[09:25] <_StefanS_> DaSkreech: I just think its the regular ppc one
[09:25] <Riddell> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ports/releases/feisty/release/
[09:25] <_StefanS_> oh
[09:25] <Riddell> not regular, different linux build I think
[09:25] <_StefanS_> ah sweet :)
[09:26] <DaSkreech> there is one patched to work specifically with the PS3 as well AFAIR
[09:26] <_StefanS_> bend and fold proteins wooha
[09:27] <DaSkreech> :-) Which team are you joining?
[09:27] <_StefanS_> DaSkreech: ah I dont know, is there an ubuntu one ? :)
[09:27] <_StefanS_> Well I heard it uses 200watts when folding that stuff, so its kinda power hungry
[09:28] <_StefanS_> My tv uses 200watts also..
[09:28] <sebas> _Sime_: I'll on friday and leave the day after the last hackathon day
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[09:28] <DaSkreech> _StefanS_: There should be
[09:29] <_StefanS_> DaSkreech: uhm I will have to look into that, AFTER i have downloaded the preview of Gran Turismo HD :D
[09:29] <_Sime_> sebas: when is that? hackathon isn't even on the site now.
[09:29] <DaSkreech> I want fluxbuntu to recode for the PS3 :)
[09:30] <DaSkreech> that would be sweet :)
[09:30] <_StefanS_> fluxbuntu ?
[09:30] <_StefanS_> fluxbox or something ? :D
[09:30] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[09:30] <DaSkreech> #fluxbuntu
[09:30] <DaSkreech> They want to become a PS3 distro
[09:30] <_StefanS_> wow never heard of it
[09:30] <sebas> http://akademy.kde.org/ until saturday 7th, _Sime_
[09:31] <_Sime_> sebas: ok, AKA "the long haul"
[09:31] <_StefanS_> If I only didn't have to work, then I could be doing stuff on kubuntu fulltime :D
[09:31] <_StefanS_> would be nice though
[09:31] <sebas> _Sime_: Yeah.
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[09:31] <sebas> I barely had enough time to speak everyone I wanted last year
[09:40] <jjesse> why aren't workds like Kubuntu, Edubuntu, Kontact, etc part of the sdtandard dictionary?
[09:40] <_Sime_> sebas: flying, friday and friday, 167 euro.
[09:40] <_Sime_> sebas: return of course
[09:41] <sebas> _Sime_: + train to Schiphol
[09:42] <_Sime_> true
[09:47] <DaSkreech> _StefanS_: Ask them to pay you to work on Kubuntu :)
[09:47] <_StefanS_> DaSkreech: well I dont think I have enough reputation to even be considered ;)
[09:47] <DaSkreech> jjesse: I often wonder that. They are part of the Windows Dictionary
[09:53] <_Sime_> Riddell: I'm guessing it won't be a problem checking into the akademy accomodation in the evening.
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[09:59] <Riddell> _Sime_: no, 24 hours I believe
[10:02] <_Sime_> ok, cool. Then I can arrive in the evening, go to the pub, get 3 hours sleep sharing a room with some weird computer people, and then give a presentation first thing the next morning.
[10:18] <Riddell> _Sime_: rock and roll lifestyle
[10:19] <sebas> hehe yay!
[10:20] <_StefanS_> Well I'm off ..
[10:20] <sebas> Speaking of which, my plane arrives in Sevilla at .20
[10:20] <_StefanS_> good night
[10:20] <sebas> brb
[10:21] <_Sime_> the travel website screwed up.
[10:22] <_Sime_> with an ERROR(7), they will phone me up, they say... ok.
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[11:10] <ryanakca> Why do they all say Amarok <@sampi> ... Kopete <@sampi>, etc
[11:11] <ryanakca> sampi is my old hostname. I changed it in /etc/hosts, hostname shows sigma now... and I've rebooted... bug?
[11:13] <DaSkreech> does bash say that?
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