[12:10] <Kmos> pochu: yep :)
[12:11] <pochu> :)
[12:30] <slackwarelif1> hggdh: thanks, but I ask help in #ubuntu, but I'm not so good in English and probably I do not explain myself well :(
[12:31] <ubotu> New bug: #109448 in beryl-settings (universe) "[apport]  beryl-settings crashed with AttributeError in SetSettingFromWidgets()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109448
[12:36] <ubotu> New bug: #109450 in adept (main) "[apport]  software-properties-kde crashed with SIGSEGV in QTreeWidgetItem::setData()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109450
[12:40] <ubotu> New bug: #109451 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "mysql-server 4.1.15 is obsolete" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109451
[12:45] <ubotu> New bug: #109452 in Ubuntu "XMMS failes to start after an upgrade to Fiesty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109452
[12:51] <ubotu> New bug: #109454 in gthumb (main) "Can't view or work with full size images from network drive" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109454
[01:01] <ubotu> New bug: #109455 in sun-java5 (multiverse) "ia32-java sun crash on edgy to festy fawn update in amd64" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109455
[01:01] <ubotu> New bug: #109456 in Ubuntu "Ubuntu installed with the wrong video card" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109456
[01:09] <mrsno> possible to delete answers from launchpad? i gave the wrong answer twice
[01:10] <ubotu> New bug: #109457 in gnome-panel (main) "Volume control doesn't fallow LFE" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109457
[01:15] <bimberi> mrsno: #launchpad
[01:15] <mrsno> bimberi thanks
[01:16] <ubotu> New bug: #109461 in gnome-panel (main) "Visual effects + wine + wacraft 3 (or probably other full screen 3d apps = crash)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109461
[01:20] <ubotu> New bug: #109462 in gnome-panel (main) "Visual effects + wine + wacraft 3 (or probably other full screen 3d apps = crash)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109462
[01:20] <ubotu> New bug: #109463 in Ubuntu "two keys on keyboard dont function correctly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109463
[01:25] <ubotu> New bug: #109464 in gnome-panel (main) "If firefox crash and is restarted to the old session, top bar sometime is hidden by application ubunbu bar" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109464
[01:31] <ubotu> New bug: #109465 in python-kde3 (main) "python-kde3 crash when attempting to print" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109465
[01:50] <ubotu> New bug: #109466 in gaim-libnotify (universe) "popups always appear in bottom right corner, over panel" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109466
[01:55] <ubotu> New bug: #109467 in openoffice.org (main) "Spell check" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109467
[01:55] <ubotu> New bug: #109468 in compiz (main) "hidden rhythmbox appears in alt-tab switcher" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109468
[02:00] <ubotu> New bug: #109469 in smart (universe) "[apport]  smart crashed with SIGSEGV in gdk_keymap_get_direction()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109469
[02:05] <ubotu> New bug: #109470 in dia (main) "class properties menu is not resizable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109470
[02:05] <ubotu> New bug: #109471 in hal (main) "Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card not dectected" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109471
[02:05] <ubotu> New bug: #109472 in ksensors (universe) "Ksensors still not working with hddtemp for normal users" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109472
[06:09] <roh> hi there
[06:10] <roh> i'm searching for someone who can interpret xorg backtraces. i can do the latter but do know xorg only from the user side. i have a log of the crash here http://yamato.hyte.de/tmp/xorg.log
[06:11] <roh> happens on a thinkpad T60p widescreen at feisty i386 desktop install boot (beta gave me xga vesa till installed, final sig11's)
[06:14] <ScottK> roh: This is a quiet time of day here.
[06:14] <ScottK> It'll be better 6 - 10 hours from now.
[06:15] <ScottK> You will probably find similar issues if you search the bugs on LP.  Maybe that would help.
[06:18] <roh> ScottK thats much too late.. i need to install now. i have to get the machine up again for work
[06:19] <roh> the thing is: it worked with the beta. LP is unluckyly not really usable from 80x25 links
[06:19] <ScottK> Yes.
[06:19] <ScottK> What video adapter?
[06:19] <roh> ati X1400 or so. atleast thats what lenovo says
[06:20] <roh> works only with fglrx or vesa. thus install was vesa everytime (which is ok for installing)
[06:20] <roh> tnx
[06:29] <ScottK> roh: Have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/89853 - It seems like perhaps your problem and a solution.
[06:29] <ubotu> Malone bug 89853 in xorg-server "[regression]  7.2 broke vesa: "No matching modes found"" [High,Needs info] 
[06:31] <roh> that looks interresting.. thanks
[06:39] <Jh00> good night
[06:40] <Jh00> Please, could someone tell me how can I use html in launchpad, so I can post links with a description?
[06:40] <Jh00> is there a [/tag]  system or something?
[06:40] <ScottK> Just publish them as plain text.  They should get rendered OK.
[06:41] <Jh00> yes I know, but I would like to write something like:
[06:41] <Jh00> I marked this bug[link]  as duplicate of this one.
[06:41] <Jh00> like:  <a href=www.bug.com>this bug</a>
[06:42] <Jh00> can I simply use html?
[06:42] <Jh00> there is no preview button, and I cant edit my post after I submit, it seems...
[06:43] <ScottK> If you just put bug #xxx LP will make a link.
[06:44] <Jh00> hmmmm nice, thank you ScottK , you are always helpful :-)
[06:46] <ScottK> You're welcome.
[06:57] <Jh00> uh, ScottK, since you have been tutoring me with launchpad + bugs, could you tell me if I acted correctly here?
[06:57] <Jh00> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/109484
[06:57] <ubotu> Malone bug 109484 in Ubuntu "Fiesty Fawn screen resolution bug at install" [Undecided,Rejected] 
[07:00] <ScottK> Jh00: I can't seem to reach Launchpad at the moment.  Sorry.
[07:00] <ScottK> Why did you reject it?
[07:02] <Jh00> because he posted 2 bug reports with the same info, one under xorg and other under ubuntu
[07:03] <ScottK> Then I think you did the right thing.
[07:03] <Jh00> hmmm, thanks! :-)
[07:04] <mjbrooks> I'm not sure if this is a  bug or if I did something different when I switched over from the feisty beta, but my monitor won't blank on inactivity like it did in the beta any ideas on what I should look for to find out if this is a bug?
[07:07] <bimberi> ScottK, Jh00: wouldn't it be better to mark one as a duplicate of the other?
[07:07] <bimberi> wow, that's some rant
[07:08] <mjbrooks> rant?
[07:08] <mjbrooks> bimberi, are you refering to my query?
[07:09] <bimberi> mjbrooks: goodness me no. apologies for the confusion
[07:09] <ScottK> bimberi: Good point.  Duping one to the other is better (sorry - It's very late here).
[07:09] <mjbrooks> lol
[07:09] <bimberi> mjbrooks: i was referring to bug 109484
[07:09] <ubotu> Malone bug 109484 in Ubuntu "Fiesty Fawn screen resolution bug at install" [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109484
[07:10] <mjbrooks> bimberi, no problem
[07:10] <bimberi> mjbrooks: cool :)
[07:11] <mjbrooks> bimberi, you wouldn't happen to be familiar with acpi? ;)
[07:12] <bimberi> mjbrooks: barely; and certainly not enough to help with your issue :|
[07:12] <mjbrooks> it seems there was some breakage from the beta 2.6.20-13 to the released 2.6.20-15
[07:13] <mjbrooks> I'm thinking it's related to Bug #96480, except I can boot fine unlike those poor lost souls ;)
[07:13] <ubotu> Malone bug 96480 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Kernel 2.6.20-13 acpi bug" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96480
[07:13] <mjbrooks> hrm  :/
[07:17] <mjbrooks> acpid won't start and puts the oddest error in /var/log/messages  "Using specific hotkey driver"
[07:22] <Jh00> bimberi, sorry to answer 10 minutes ago: I thought that I should mark that one as duplicate, since the other one was filled under xorg (I thought that his problem was more related to xorg than to simply "Ubuntu")
[07:22] <roh> ScottK tnx.. got the x up
[07:22] <Jh00> ops, rejected, I meant
[07:23] <Jh00> since it is the same text. Oh well, I thought that if the bug was either xorg /ubuntu , the user could simply add an "also affects" in the first bug report instead of creating another one
[07:24] <roh> ScottK i installed xserver-xorg-video-vesa_1.3.0-1ubuntu4.2_i386.deb which is linked in the bug
[07:55] <ubotu> New bug: #109515 in Ubuntu "[apport]  displayconfig-restore.py crashed with SIGSEGV in XRRGetScreenInfo()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109515
[07:55] <ubotu> New bug: #109516 in pycurl (main) "pycurl.CurlMulti's remove_handle does not work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109516
[07:55] <ubotu> New bug: #109518 in Ubuntu "ubuntu will not partion hard drive for dual boot" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109518
[07:56] <ubotu> New bug: #109505 in rhythmbox (main) "Rhythmbox Internal Errors" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109505
[07:56] <ubotu> New bug: #109508 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "visor module does not load " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109508
[07:56] <ubotu> New bug: #109509 in perl (main) "[apport]  perl crashed with SIGSEGV in rrd_test_error()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109509
[07:56] <ubotu> New bug: #109510 in wengophone (universe) "[apport]  qtwengophone crashed with SIGSEGV in AudioDeviceManager::getOutputDeviceList()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109510
[07:56] <ubotu> New bug: #109511 in beryl-core (universe) "[apport]  beryl crashed with SIGSEGV in XCloseDisplay()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109511
[07:56] <ubotu> New bug: #109512 in emerald (universe) "[apport]  emerald-theme-manager crashed with SIGSEGV in malloc()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109512
[07:56] <ubotu> New bug: #109513 in gaim (main) "crash when going offline with unread message" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109513
[07:57] <ubotu> New bug: #109495 in Ubuntu "prism54pci driver don't work with DLink DWL-G650 rev.A1 on Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109495
[07:57] <ubotu> New bug: #109496 in network-manager (main) "Wired connection not detected (Worked nice on Beta)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109496
[07:57] <ubotu> New bug: #109497 in alsa-driver (main) "Logitech USB headphones which worked in Edgy don't in Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109497
[07:57] <ubotu> New bug: #109498 in hddtemp (universe) "hddtemp is broken on sata drives for 2.6.20 kernel" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109498
[07:57] <ubotu> New bug: #109499 in Ubuntu "asterisk cannot load chan_capi.so and does not start-up" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109499
[07:58] <ubotu> New bug: #109501 in xine-ui (universe) "xine does not start when beryl is running" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109501
[07:58] <ubotu> New bug: #109502 in Ubuntu "[Feisty]  After install, xorg wont run,  "Failed to load module "nvidia (module does not exist)"" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109502
[07:58] <ubotu> New bug: #109503 in bind (universe) "bind 8 should be universe, or gone altogether" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109503
[07:58] <ubotu> New bug: #109504 in network-manager (main) "network manager can't connect to wired network" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109504
[07:59] <ubotu> New bug: #109488 in arts (main) "[apport]  artsd crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109488
[07:59] <ubotu> New bug: #109489 in gjots2 (universe) "gjots2 missing tabs on the left pane" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109489
[07:59] <ubotu> New bug: #109490 in streamripper (universe) "[apport]  streamripper crashed with SIGFPE" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109490
[07:59] <ubotu> New bug: #109491 in beryl-settings (universe) "[apport]  beryl-settings crashed with AttributeError in SetSettingFromWidgets()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109491
[07:59] <ubotu> New bug: #109492 in ubiquity (main) "Upgrade tool from edgy to feisty crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109492
[07:59] <ubotu> New bug: #109493 in perl (main) "[apport]  perl crashed with SIGSEGV in rrd_test_error()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109493
[07:59] <ubotu> New bug: #109494 in python-biggles (universe) "python-biggles package only contains docs and examples" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109494
[08:00] <ubotu> New bug: #109480 in firefox (main) "random firefox crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109480
[08:00] <ubotu> New bug: #109481 in synce-serial (universe) "Calls iptables without "-n", hangs resolving" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109481
[08:00] <ubotu> New bug: #109482 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "Ubuntu 7.04 Freezes all the time in a Toshiba Satellite A75" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109482
[08:00] <ubotu> New bug: #109484 in Ubuntu "Fiesty Fawn screen resolution bug at install (dup-of: 109483)" [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109484
[08:00] <ubotu> New bug: #109485 in flashplugin-nonfree (multiverse) "Flashplugin-nonfree only works with first soundcard" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109485
[08:00] <ubotu> New bug: #109486 in gnome-session (main) "[apport]  gnome-session crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109486
[08:00] <ubotu> New bug: #109487 in rhythmbox (main) ""Next" button in track properties should work from old position" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109487
[08:01] <ubotu> New bug: #109479 in update-manager (main) "Kubuntu CDRomUpgrade script crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109479
[08:05] <ubotu> New bug: #38577 in knetworkconf (main) "Bringing up a interface problem" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/38577
[08:15] <ubotu> New bug: #109519 in gnome-vfs (universe) "Automatic mounting of SMB share does not reliably occur on boot" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109519
[08:20] <bimberi> !pastebin | ubotu
[08:20] <ubotu> ubotu: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:21] <Mithrandir> bimberi: ubotu is here to provide lists of new bugs and is a bot.
[08:23] <bimberi> hi Mithrandir, yes I know.  I was just being silly.
[08:24] <dholbach> good morning
[08:24] <roh> hi dholbach
[08:24] <dholbach> hey roh
[08:26] <roh> sooo.. now reinstall after backing up whats left of my fs and wiping the hdd clean while tripping over various 'too bleeding edge hardware with too new software'-problems ;)
[08:27] <roh> btw. the gui installer needs to learn crypto, lvm and raid (the only reason for rebooting again before installing)
[08:27] <roh> bbl
[08:27] <bimberi> !alternate | roh
[08:27] <ubotu> roh: The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD - See also !Minimal
[08:28] <roh> bimberi i know.. that what i will boot now :] 
[08:29] <bimberi> roh: cool. I thought that factoid said a bit more about the alternate including support for raid & lvm.
[08:31] <ubotu> New bug: #109521 in gaim (main) "[apport]  gaim crashed with SIGSEGV in gaim_gtk_blist_get_status_icon()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109521
[08:38] <thekorn> good morning bughunters!
[08:39] <dholbach> good morning thekorn
[08:39] <dholbach> thekorn: did you read heno's mail on bughelper@ about his buglog idea?
[08:39] <thekorn> hi dholbach
[08:40] <thekorn> dholbach: I just had a quick look, will read it soon
[08:42] <thekorn> dholbach: are these "look only in field" supposed to work, or are they still non working prototypes?
[08:43] <dholbach> thekorn: good question - best to wait for asac and let him explain it - I remember him saying that it was working with the newest firefox clue file
[08:44] <thekorn> dholbach: the implementation in bughelper.main r161 can't work because it always searches bug_or_attachment.text and not the specific field
[08:45] <dholbach> do you mind fixing it? (and prodding asac)
[08:47] <thekorn> dholbach: well i can fix it and add a general way for each possible field (attribute), to avoid endless if constructions
[08:48] <dholbach> that'd be awesome
[08:52] <thekorn> dholbach: did you think about the milestones of the gutsy version of bughelper?
[08:52] <dholbach> no, not really
[08:53] <dholbach> do you propose something?
[08:53] <thekorn> I think it should be possible to have the xpath version in it
[08:53] <dholbach> absolutely
[08:54] <dholbach> also the NEW py-lpbugs API
[08:54] <dholbach> I'm sure we can roll that out
[08:55] <thekorn> ok, we need to add new milestones to both products
[08:56] <dholbach> i haven't really thought about "that's 0.2" and "that could be 0.3" yet
[08:56] <dholbach> atm we're working on 0.2 and sky's the limit
[09:00] <ubotu> New bug: #109265 in Ubuntu "NFS support completely broken" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109265
[09:05] <ubotu> New bug: #109522 in Ubuntu "desktop effects not available"Composite extension not available" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109522
[09:05] <dholbach> thekorn: wooohooo 6,9G -> 4,9G ;-)
[09:06] <thekorn> nice!
[09:06] <dholbach> (I had to remove all the numbered directories for that)
[09:06] <dholbach> (we can't move attachments of bugs that we don't look at)
[09:16] <ubotu> New bug: #109523 in evolution (main) "Evolution disconnects from exchange server when started" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109523
[09:21] <ubotu> New bug: #109524 in kmplayer (main) "[apport]  kxineplayer crashed with SIGSEGV in xine_event_dispose_queue()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109524
[09:26] <ubotu> New bug: #109525 in arts (main) "[apport]  artsd crashed with SIGSEGV in Arts::Dispatcher::terminate() (dup-of: 86794)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109525
[09:26] <ubotu> New bug: #109526 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "resume from disk breaks sound and thinkad buttons on IBM thinkpad R40" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109526
[09:32] <dholbach> I gathered a few bughelper crashes in the report log files: http://daniel.holba,ch/temp/bughelper.crash
[09:33] <dholbach> Hobbsee: that's going to be a different part of the architecture somewhere, but not bughelper
[09:34] <Hobbsee> ahh
[09:35] <ubotu> New bug: #109527 in firefox (main) "firefox crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109527
[09:38] <dholbach> hey mvo
[09:38] <ajmitch> mvo!
[09:38] <mvo> good morning
[09:38] <mvo> hello dholbach ajmitch!
[09:40] <ubotu> New bug: #109528 in vlc (universe) "[apport]  vlc crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109528
[09:40] <thekorn> dholbach: the two http-errors are ok as you use the 0.1 package, the first one is because data was locked
[09:41] <dholbach> no, i use the .main
[09:42] <thekorn> hmm, ok
[09:42] <dholbach> hey seb128
[09:42] <seb128> hi dholbach, you are quick today ;)
[09:44] <thekorn> dholbach: i will reopen bug 90654 again...
[09:44] <ubotu> Malone bug 90654 in bughelper "learn to deal with Launchpad being down/inaccessible/timing out" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90654
[09:44] <dholbach> thekorn: what do you propose doing about those?
[09:44] <dholbach> thekorn: retry again on getting a 500 error?
[09:45] <thekorn> problem is we don't use safe_urlopen for getting attachments etc.
[09:45] <asac> thekorn: dholbach: hi, will be here in 10-12 minutes ;)
[09:45] <dholbach> right
[09:45] <dholbach> asac: take your time
[09:45] <ubotu> New bug: #109529 in acpi (main) "can suspend/resume once, suspending a second time hangs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109529
[09:56] <ubotu> New bug: #109530 in sane-backends (main) "xsane hangs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109530
[09:56] <ubotu> New bug: #109531 in emacs-snapshot (universe) "[apport]  emacs-snapshot-gtk crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109531
[10:01] <ubotu> New bug: #109532 in Ubuntu "Flash player missing in x86_64 (Ubuntu 7.04)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109532
[10:02] <thekorn> asac, dholbach: please have a look at bug 109533
[10:02] <ubotu> Malone bug 109533 in bughelper "search in given field has to be fixed and generalized" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109533
[10:05] <dholbach> thekorn: it looks good to me
[10:08] <thekorn> dholbach: ok, I will commit it to .main now
[10:09] <dholbach> super
[10:09] <asac> thekorn: yes ... what is getattr?
[10:09] <dholbach>     Get a named attribute from an object; getattr(x, 'y') is equivalent to x.y.
[10:09] <dholbach>     When a default argument is given, it is returned when the attribute doesn't
[10:09] <dholbach>     exist; without it, an exception is raised in that case.
[10:10] <asac> ah ... ok ... thats good ;)
[10:10] <ubotu> New bug: #109534 in scorched3d (universe) "closing game window causes "terminated unexpectedly"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109534
[10:10] <dholbach> asac: pydoc getattr
[10:10] <asac> yeah i guess that
[10:11] <asac> thekorn: why was the "title" only prototype broken?
[10:12] <thekorn> asac: because you searched in bug_or_attachment.text instead of search_text
[10:12] <asac> ah ;)
[10:12] <asac> typo :)
[10:12] <asac> ok
[10:13] <thekorn> asac: and there is no instanceof() in python
[10:13] <thekorn> it's isinstance
[10:14] <asac> he? .... so why didn't i get plenty of exceptions when running it?
[10:14] <thekorn> but you can't use it in this case because you have no reference to the Bug-object
[10:14] <asac> bug_or_attachment ?
[10:14] <thekorn> because you didn't run ./bughelper -p bughelper -c
[10:14] <thekorn> you only added search in given field for the case sensetive part
[10:15] <ubotu> New bug: #109535 in eboard (universe) "weird crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109535
[10:15] <ubotu> New bug: #109536 in firefox (main) "firefox crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109536
[10:15] <ubotu> New bug: #109537 in Ubuntu "unable to mount usb disk after suspend" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109537
[10:16] <dholbach> thekorn: I think I'll add a using-unittest-in-bughelper session for UDS :)
[10:16] <asac> hmmm ... i guess i should keep my fingers out of this spaghetti code :)
[10:16] <dholbach> asac: spaghetti code?
[10:16] <thekorn> asac: bug_or_attachment is either a Bug-object or a BugAttachment-object, both have text attribute
[10:17] <lifeless> dholbach: be happy to help you on that
[10:17] <dholbach> lifeless: you ROCK :)
[10:17] <lifeless> dholbach: subscribe me to the spec
[10:17] <asac> thekorn: thats why i tested if its a Bug object
[10:18] <dholbach> lifeless: alright
[10:18] <asac> thekorn: so why do you say "... you have no reference to the Bug-object"
[10:19] <asac> thekorn: anyway thanks for the fix ... as soon as there is a "tags" field, bughelper core has everything i need for now ;)
[10:19] <thekorn> asac: well you get that error wen you use isinstance
[10:20] <asac> oh ... of course i need multiple output files more than everything else :)
[10:20] <ubotu> New bug: #109538 in Ubuntu "smb network resource  link on top panel freeze gnome..." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109538
[10:21] <asac> thekorn: e.g. as quick solution place a clue file named firefox.masterbugs.info -> master bug hint .... firefox.duplicates.info ... and so on
[10:22] <dholbach> asac: does that work out? doesn't it complain about 'no package named firefox.duplicates' or something?
[10:22] <asac> it does complain
[10:22] <thekorn> asac: nice suggestion, but need a lot of work
[10:22] <asac> i ment ... thats the why i would like it (without reinventing the wheel)
[10:23] <thekorn> asac: can you please fill a wishlist bug for further discussion?
[10:23] <asac> why can't we add <package></package> field to clue files
[10:23] <dholbach> lifeless: done
[10:24] <asac> thekorn: sure, but lets sort out the general idea before filing
[10:24] <dholbach> asac: we'll solve the 'multiple output files' differently
[10:24] <asac> how long will it take?
[10:24] <dholbach> what the service on my server does at the moment is not the best thing we can do
[10:24] <asac> definitly
[10:24] <asac> :)
[10:25] <dholbach> we want to let teams add queries they want to run regularly on their own
[10:25] <dholbach> so it's not only run bughelper on this clue file
[10:25] <dholbach> but maybe different bugnumbers --something queries too
[10:25] <dholbach> and write them to different files as they see fit
[10:25] <dholbach> sending patches does speed up development :)
[10:25] <ubotu> New bug: #109539 in kmplayer (main) "[apport]  kxineplayer crashed with SIGSEGV in xine_event_dispose_queue()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109539
[10:26] <dholbach> best to discuss it on a wiki page or on the ML for now
[10:26] <asac> so you want to keep the current one .info for complete package?
[10:26] <dholbach> as there are quite some open ends still
[10:26] <dholbach> yeah, I think that makes sense
[10:26] <asac> why? for me firefox.info makes no sense :)
[10:26] <asac> its just useful for small packages :)
[10:26] <harrisony> !Ubiquity
[10:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubiquity - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:27] <dholbach> asac: does debian policy forbid a '.' in the package name?
[10:27] <asac> hmmm good question
[10:27] <asac> i don't think it needs to
[10:27] <dholbach> it'd simplify things
[10:27] <asac> but I have no 100% idea :)
[10:27] <dholbach> ok
[10:28] <dholbach> I'm happy with <package>.<something>.info
[10:28] <dholbach> can you file a bug about that?
[10:28] <dholbach> then we don't need a <package> tag
[10:28] <asac> yeah that was my idea
[10:28] <asac> but yes there are "." in packages
[10:28] <dholbach> grngrngrngrn
[10:28] <asac> bunch lib packages
[10:28] <dholbach> oh yeah sure
[10:29] <dholbach> ok then we'll have <packagename.with.dots>.<something-without-dots>.info
[10:29] <asac> yes we can do that
[10:30] <asac> then all need .<something-without-dots> :)
[10:30] <asac> or .. ;)
[10:33] <dholbach> asac: <package>.info[.something]  then
[10:36] <ubotu> New bug: #109540 in update-notifier (main) "[apport]  update-notifier crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109540
[10:36] <thekorn> what about folders for each package, like <package>/<something>.info
[10:37] <dholbach> we could do that too
[10:37] <asac> sounds good, though i don't know if it should be mandatory
[10:37] <dholbach> we have 'schemas/' already in the same dir
[10:37] <dholbach> best to discuss in a bug report, what do you think?
[10:37] <asac> k
[10:37] <asac> i file one
[10:37] <dholbach> super
[10:38] <thekorn> thanks asac
[10:38] <dholbach> that way we can find somebody else to join in and fix that bug ;-)
[10:41] <ubotu> New bug: #109541 in arts (main) "[apport]  artsd crashed with SIGSEGV in Arts::Dispatcher::terminate()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109541
[10:44] <dholbach> hang on
[10:44] <dholbach> this will break 0.1
[10:44] <dholbach> or it won't find your clues anymore
[10:44] <asac> right
[10:46] <dholbach> unless somebody gets working on a patch for -updates
[10:46] <dholbach> ... which reminds me
[10:46] <dholbach> I should get that schema-cluefile-version thing into -proposed
[10:46] <ubotu> New bug: #109542 in Ubuntu "Update tool crashed to Kubuntu Version 7.04" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109542
[10:46] <ubotu> New bug: #109543 in gaim (main) "problem setting invisible status" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109543
[10:47] <Kmos> bug 99150
[10:47] <ubotu> Malone bug 99150 in avahi "Feisty beta can't install avahi-daemon on partial upgrade" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/99150
[10:48] <Kmos> someone fix this =)
[10:50] <ubotu> New bug: #108272 in samba "samba_3.0.24-2ubuntu1_i386.deb failed to install" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/108272
[10:50] <ubotu> New bug: #109544 in Ubuntu "Automated system update of x64 Kubuntu 6.10 to 7.04 has messed up my display settings." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109544
[10:50] <ubotu> New bug: #109545 in Ubuntu "internet connection" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109545
[10:55] <asac> dholbach: thekorn its bug 109547
[10:55] <ubotu> Malone bug 109547 in bughelper "support to sort out matched clues to multiple files per package (e.g. one file per task)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109547
[10:56] <dholbach> thanks
[10:59] <dholbach> thekorn: shall we add a tag for bughelper bugs concerning the cronjob or server use?
[11:00] <thekorn> sure, why not
[11:00] <dholbach> 'server'?
[11:00] <ubotu> New bug: #109546 in xfce4-panel (main) "[apport]  xfce4-panel crashed with SIGSEGV in _XDeqAsyncHandler()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109546
[11:01] <thekorn> yes, 'server' is fine
[11:02] <dholbach> ok
[11:06] <ubotu> New bug: #109548 in update-manager (main) "Upgrading to Feisty fails with fatal error" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109548
[11:06] <ubotu> New bug: #109549 in Ubuntu "Auto-upgrade of Kubuntu 6.10 i386 to 7.04 has screwed up X server so it failed to start" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109549
[11:06] <asac> ok added an idea on how to not break 0.1 while going the per package directory approach to bug 109547
[11:06] <ubotu> Malone bug 109547 in bughelper "support to sort out matched clues to multiple files per package (e.g. one file per task)" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109547
[11:07] <dholbach> great
[11:11] <ubotu> New bug: #109550 in beryl-core (universe) "Black/unrendered windows in Beryl - I MAY HAVE A HINT TO THE CAUSE" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109550
[11:11] <ubotu> New bug: #109551 in mozilla-thunderbird (main) "Regresion: Plain text messages do not display until the expander next to 'subject' is used" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109551
[11:16] <ubotu> New bug: #109552 in Ubuntu "Feisty: cannot enter gnome desktop" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109552
[11:16] <ubotu> New bug: #109553 in kde-systemsettings (main) "fglrx selected as video driver, not installed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109553
[11:16] <ubotu> New bug: #109554 in kmplayer (main) "[apport]  kxineplayer crashed with SIGSEGV in xine_event_dispose_queue()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109554
[11:30] <ubotu> New bug: #109555 in mono (main) "mono crash report (beagled?)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109555
[11:30] <ubotu> New bug: #109557 in totem (main) "poor quality sound" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109557
[11:30] <ubotu> New bug: #109558 in hwdb-client (main) "[apport]  hwdb-kde crashed with UnicodeEncodeError in assemble()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109558
[11:35] <ubotu> New bug: #109559 in Ubuntu "Upgrade of Kubuntu 6.10 to 7.04 (x64) has caused that lighttpd to no longer starts" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109559
[11:41] <ubotu> New bug: #109560 in kmplayer (main) "[apport]  kxineplayer crashed with SIGSEGV in avcodec_check_dimensions()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109560
[11:41] <ubotu> New bug: #109561 in firefox (main) "firefox spell checker have multiple entry's of same languages" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109561
[11:46] <ubotu> New bug: #109562 in Ubuntu "Feisty mounts usb drive read-only" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109562
[11:51] <ubotu> New bug: #109563 in hal (main) "usb toshiba 80 GB detachable HD not getting mounted, not getting creted any device file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109563
[11:55] <ubotu> New bug: #109564 in unattended-upgrades (main) "README missing" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109564
[11:55] <ubotu> New bug: #109565 in rss-glx (main) "euphoria crashes during start of X system/KDE desktop" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109565
[12:15] <ubotu> New bug: #109566 in firefox (main) "FIrefox hangs with 100% CPU on a site" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109566
[12:31] <ubotu> New bug: #109568 in openoffice.org (main) "Writer 2.2 crashes predictably on mscore fonts when doing this:" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109568
[12:31] <ubotu> New bug: #109569 in php5 (main) "php5-gd : undefined symbol: gdImagePngCtxEx" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109569
[12:39] <barbarossa> Dear friends. I've just had an issue with xchat-gnome. It may be a a security related thing as well. I made a search to see if its worth to report a bug. Then I realized that my xchat-gnome version is 0.13. But as stated in projects main Web area, last version is 0.17. 4th version after mine. And mine (0.13) is what synaptic offers me. Neither automatically updated nor it offers newer versions at the moment. How can it be? It's a gnome project an
[12:39] <barbarossa> d Ubuntu is one of the main GNOME platforms if its not the first one. Now that I don't even want to deal with bug reporting for that problem. xchat developers produced 4 more version after that fixing many many bugs. What is the use of still dealing with that age old version anymore. I'm really confused. What can you advice?
[12:41] <Hobbsee> barbarossa: a) what release b) what arch?
[12:42] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~$ madison-lite xchat-gnome
[12:42] <barbarossa> 6.10 PC
[12:42] <Hobbsee> xchat-gnome |   1:0.13-1 |           sid | source
[12:42] <Hobbsee> xchat-gnome | 1:0.13-1+b1 |           sid | amd64, i386
[12:42] <Hobbsee> xchat-gnome | 1:0.16-0ubuntu3 |        feisty | source, amd64, i386
[12:42] <Hobbsee> xchat-gnome | 1:0.16-0ubuntu3 |         gutsy | source, amd64, i386
[12:42] <Hobbsee> xchat-gnome |   1:0.16-1 |  experimental | source, i386
[12:42] <Hobbsee> pc meaning?
[12:43] <barbarossa> i386
[12:43] <lifeless> i386 I guess
[12:43] <barbarossa> yes it is
[12:43] <lifeless> which is edgy
[12:43] <barbarossa> yes.
[12:43] <lifeless> we have released a new Ubuntu since then
[12:44] <lifeless> called Feisty. And it has 0.16 of xchat-gnome
[12:44] <barbarossa> yes but did the support end? what about 6.06 LTS then?
[12:44] <Hobbsee> oh, edgy
[12:44] <lifeless> barbarossa: support means we fix security holes and critical bugs.
[12:44] <Hobbsee> no
[12:44] <lifeless> barbarossa: edgy is still supported.
[12:44] <Hobbsee> but it's released, there are no new package updates
[12:44] <lifeless> Hobbsee: roughly :)
[12:45] <barbarossa> Shouldn't I hope to see the newer xchat version on my 6.10 repos?
[12:45] <ajmitch> no
[12:45] <lifeless> barbarossa: no, you wont see that unless its the best way for us to fix a security problem.
[12:45] <lifeless> barbarossa: I suggest you file a bug about your issue; if it is a security hole the security team can take it and run with it.
[12:45] <barbarossa> So do you advice bug reporting for that xchat version. 8an age old one)
[12:46] <barbarossa> ok. thanks.
[12:55] <ubotu> New bug: #109572 in Ubuntu "can't access tty; job control turned off" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109572
[12:55] <ubotu> New bug: #109573 in ndiswrapper (main) "Ndiswrapper does not run and won't remove" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109573
[01:01] <ubotu> New bug: #109575 in tracker (universe) "trackerd can not register D-BUS connection" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109575
[01:01] <ubotu> New bug: #109576 in gnome-panel (main) "Gnome Panel config in Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109576
[01:06] <ubotu> New bug: #109577 in firefox (main) "firefox crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109577
[01:15] <barbarossa> Dear friends, yesterday in Ubuntu Open Week session there was such a conversation:
[01:15] <barbarossa> < deniz_ogut> QUESTION: There are bug reports which are "assigned" to. someone but stil remains "uncorfirmed" for many months.. Doesn't it mean that a bug will be triaged soon if it is assigned to someone? Or still is there a need for new contributers' help?
 This is a tricky situation. It basically requires someone to look at assigned bugs to make sure that some progress is made.
[01:15] <barbarossa> deniz_ogut is my real name and there was a concrete example in my mind but prefered to mention it in general sense in the session. If you like to see that example, it is Bug #68331.
[01:16] <ubotu> Malone bug 68331 in update-manager "false positive regarding update just after an automaticaly warned update" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/68331
[01:16] <barbarossa> Details are not that much important but the flow is as follows:
[01:16] <barbarossa> original report > assigned to some friend > silence > 5 moth after reporter ask if addtional info needed > some info asked and supplied > silence
[01:16] <barbarossa> What expected: A change in its status: either confirmed or rejected.
[01:16] <barbarossa> Am I wrong? (Not asking to be approved; to learn the procedure and maybe this info will lead something good for the community.)
[01:18] <Hobbsee> usually, yes.  depends if a developer's seen it, and fixed it
[01:18] <Hobbsee> barbarossa: bugsquad always needs more help
[01:18] <Hobbsee> there are far too many bugs
[01:19] <barbarossa> Hobbsee: After yesterday's session I decided to join the team. But in that example there's already someone dealing with the issue.
[01:19] <Hobbsee> there are lots where someone isnt
[01:20] <jsgotangco> its really better to tackle specific packages rather than try to embrace them all
[01:20] <barbarossa> ok. from my part best to do is not talking from away but contributing. I'll orginize myself and do so soon. Thanks for youn patience.
[01:20] <harrisony> barbarossa: what subjects/programs do you like
[01:20] <jsgotangco> sometimes its also a matter of assigning it to the proper teams
[01:21] <barbarossa> Fiirst of all: I am not a programmer/coder. But I am a moderate level Linux user. I am a member of Linux Users Association of Turkey.
[01:21] <jsgotangco> barbarossa: it doesn't matter at all
[01:22] <barbarossa> So, mostly I know more about general desktop applications.
[01:22] <jsgotangco> the primary problem of bugs is not that its a bug, but rather it wasn't assigned properly
[01:22] <harrisony> barbarossa: what subjects/programs do you like?
[01:22] <thekorn> dholbach, asac: I commented on bug 109533, it's now possible to have for example <op field="proptags"> to search the tags
[01:22] <jsgotangco> cleaning that alone is huge help
[01:22] <ubotu> Malone bug 109533 in bughelper "search in given field has to be fixed and generalized" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109533
[01:22] <barbarossa> BjornT explained it yesterday.
[01:23] <jsgotangco> g'day mdz
[01:23] <mdz> jsgotangco: hello
[01:23] <Hobbsee> hi mdz
[01:23] <barbarossa> Now I'll try to find the right place to apply and give a start.
[01:23] <harrisony> zomg mdz !!!! hehehehe
[01:24] <asac> thekorn: i will probably use it right away in my "triaging bug" clue
[01:24] <Hobbsee> harrisony: careful, he bites :P
[01:24] <barbarossa> Right place to apply: Even BjornT said that anybody can do some level of things without any privilage, I prefer to work reporting to someone.
[01:25] <harrisony> Hobbsee: he does? last time i went all ZOMG mode he was cool, and when i saw sabdfl that was a real ZOMG!!! moment
[01:25] <Hobbsee> you can report to dholbach, and to this channel, if you like.  there's no real "how many bugs have you triaged today, student?" type mantra though
[01:25] <Hobbsee> harrisony: heh
[01:26] <harrisony> Hobbsee: when i see some one kinda famous i start going mental and they say hello and then i save it :P
[01:27] <jsgotangco> er?
[01:27] <Hobbsee> harrisony: hehe :)
[01:27] <harrisony> [19:19]  <sabdfl> hi harrisony
[01:27] <harrisony> i like that one!
[01:27] <barbarossa> so what do you advice me to do? as a first step. Let's begin than. What should I read. Should I be a member of a group? so on... Yes, I'm here. Tell me, I'll do so.
[01:27] <jsgotangco> ha ha ha
[01:27] <jsgotangco> barbarossa: what certain apps you think you are good with
[01:27] <jsgotangco> in terms of knowing what's wrong
[01:28] <harrisony> barbarossa: find apps you like or use alot and focus on them. is one of my tips
[01:28] <jsgotangco> almost all my bug karma decayed over time lol
[01:28] <barbarossa> I use the most common desktop applications all the time. And the bugs/problems I find are among those when I am using them. By chance.
[01:29] <jsgotangco> barbarossa: perhaps bug triage is not ripe enough for you, have you tried launchpad answers by answering some questions posted by users?
[01:29] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: rubbish
[01:29] <Hobbsee> but i had someone asking me yesterday in the classroom sessions if i was the sexy lady from au...
[01:29] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: I'll get your autograph soon
[01:29] <jsgotangco> Hobbsee: ha ha ha
[01:29] <barbarossa> You understood my applications. You tell me what you need.
[01:29] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: hah
[01:29] <ajmitch> hah, of course you are :)
[01:29] <harrisony> ZOMG ITS Hobbsee
[01:29] <Hobbsee> :P
[01:30] <jsgotangco> ZOMG I had ajmitch as roommate before
[01:30] <barbarossa> even if I am not using them at the moment I can install and see and evaluate the bug reports.
[01:30] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: you poor sod
[01:30] <ubotu> New bug: #109579 in gthumb (main) "thumbnail problems with relative soft-links" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109579
[01:30] <ubotu> New bug: #109580 in linux-source-2.6.15 (main) "file uploads over network address translation did not work " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109580
[01:30] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: your pointy stick is quite famous, though. :-P
[01:31] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: so it seems :P
[01:31] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: no idea why
[01:31] <ajmitch> because you wield it with reckless abandon
[01:33] <jsgotangco> lol the number of unconfirmed in xorg increased by 20 after a day i made some cleanup
[01:33] <barbarossa> jsgotangco: So I'll do as you said.
[01:33] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: teach barbarossa how do triage bugs then, oh good teacher :)
[01:34] <jsgotangco> of DOOM 
[01:34] <Hobbsee> yes, but i do, and i'm commanding you
[01:34] <Hobbsee> ;P
[01:35] <jsgotangco> barbarossa: ok i think the easiest way to start it is looking for duplicates
[01:35] <barbarossa> ok.
[01:35] <simira> Hobbsee :) When are you leaving for Spain? Train takes some time, doesn't it?
[01:35] <jsgotangco> because 3 or 4 people are likely to file a bug entry of the same cause
[01:35] <ubotu> New bug: #109581 in normalize-audio (universe) "normalize-mp3 0.7.7 fails at line 741 (0.7.6 worked)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109581
[01:35] <ubotu> New bug: #109582 in nautilus (main) "Error "Not on the same file system" while deleting "filename..."" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109582
[01:35] <ubotu> New bug: #109583 in eclipse (universe) "eclipse won't start of Fesity" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109583
[01:35] <Hobbsee> hey simira!
[01:35] <jsgotangco> but make sure you look for duplicates filed against the same package
[01:36] <Hobbsee> simira: taking planes - leave on the 3rd
[01:36] <simira> Hobbsee: ok. and when are you dropping by here? ;)
[01:36] <Hobbsee> simira: where here is oslo?
[01:36] <Hobbsee> simira: no idea...depends if someone gave me the plane ticket :)
[01:37] <Hobbsee> simira: i'd love to do that, though
[01:37] <barbarossa> jsgotangco: What's the technique for searching duplicates? Picking one and searching with some keywords or....???
[01:37] <jsgotangco> dinner be back in an hour
[01:37] <simira> Hobbsee: I guess negative amount of money doesn't help out there... :(
[01:37] <Mithrandir> simira: I could abduct her from .es?
[01:37] <Mithrandir> much less work than abducting somebody from .au
[01:37] <simira> Hobbsee: Oslo is a couple of hours flight north of Spain
[01:37] <Hobbsee> simira: no, not really
[01:37] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: hah, good luck with that
[01:37] <simira> Mithrandir: do that
[01:37] <ajmitch> Mithrandir: just fold her into a suitcase
[01:37] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: you're small enough to fit in my suitcase, I'm sure.
[01:37] <Hobbsee> but will my Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  fit?
[01:38] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: i wish :P
[01:38] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: just bring the telescopic one and it'll be fine.
[01:38] <ajmitch> Mithrandir: convince them to have UDS near oslo at some point
[01:39] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: we had the distro sprint in Oslo this time.  Might be hard to get an UDS close to here anytime soon. :-/
[01:39] <ajmitch> a shame
[01:39] <Hobbsee> pity
[01:39] <ScottK> roh: Glad that helped.
[01:40] <Mithrandir> apart from it being in the US, I think it'll be great.
[01:41] <Hobbsee> simira: for spain or boston?
[01:41] <ajmitch> it'd mean making myself useful for gutsy
[01:41] <Hobbsee> simira: if only i wasnt at uni... :P
[01:41] <simira> Hobbsee: Boston. Spain is too expensive (Boston is about the same, but I might have some more money saved then)
[01:42] <Hobbsee> simira: ahh
[01:42] <barbarossa> jsgotangco: What's the technique for searching duplicates? Picking a new reported bug and searching with some keywords or....??? Very practically what do you advice me to do now? How to start, this is the question. :-)
[01:43] <Hobbsee> simira: you shouldnt let me dream like that :P
[01:45] <ubotu> Malone bug 107648 in Ubuntu "The Ubuntu community is insane" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[01:46] <ubotu> New bug: #109584 in update-manager (main) "sru request for update-manager " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109584
[01:46] <ubotu> New bug: #109586 in ksynaptics (universe) "Touchpad configuration (ksynaptics) has no (permanent) effect " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109586
[01:46] <ubotu> New bug: #109587 in amarok (main) "[apport]  amarokapp crashed with SIGSEGV in operator>>()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109587
[01:46] <Mithrandir> shame we don't really have wontfix.
[01:46] <Hobbsee> haha
[01:46] <Hobbsee> yes
[01:46] <Hobbsee> i often want that
[01:46] <Mithrandir> since "yes, we are insane.  We like it" would be a good response.
[01:46] <Hobbsee> haha
[01:47] <barbarossa> Hobbsee: js jsgotangco is busy I think. So do you advice me a way a point to start? (OK I'll deal with my favorite applications; I got it.)
[01:49] <Hobbsee> barbarossa: pick a favorite app.  for anything that's unconfirmed or needs info, go thru and test it.  if the problem exists for you, say that, and confirm the bug, if it's needs info, add more info with what you find
[01:49] <Hobbsee> otherwise say "i cant reproduce this, can you give more info" or something
[01:49] <barbarossa> Should I be a member of any group to do that?
[01:49] <Hobbsee> no
[01:50] <Hobbsee> dont need to be
[01:50] <asac> thekorn: you updated schema for proptags?
[01:52] <barbarossa> Hobbsee: Is there categories or applications you think that I can deal and in which more help is needed?
[01:52] <Hobbsee> hmmm...the obvous things like firefox, thunderbird
[01:52] <Hobbsee> a lot need it - just pick one that looks interesting
[01:53] <Hobbsee> a lot of the bugs in gnoe
[01:53] <Hobbsee> *gnome
[01:53] <barbarossa> everyone deals with firefox etc. I'll pick something from gnome .
[01:54] <Hobbsee> actually, a lot dont - there are still lots of bugs, last time i checked
[01:54] <Hobbsee> but wherever you like :)
[01:55] <barbarossa> ok. I got it. Let's satrt and see. Thanks a lot.
[01:56] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:56] <ubotu> New bug: #109588 in linux-meta (main) "SD-Card produces kernel Oops" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109588
[01:57] <jsgotangco> barbarossa: have you read this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage
[01:58] <barbarossa> Hobbsee: A last question: Do you advice me to install Feisty soon and deal with bugs for it or 6.10, 6.06...?
[01:59] <barbarossa> I didn't and I'll read it today.
[01:59] <Hobbsee> barbarossa: feisty.  definetly feisty
[01:59] <Hobbsee> barbarossa: seeing as lots are already fixed in feisty, which you find on edgy
[01:59] <Hobbsee> and there will be some introduced in edgy, with new versions of packages
[02:00] <barbarossa> OK. Obviously. Thanks.
[02:00] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:00] <pochu> !trace
[02:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about trace - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:00] <pochu> !backtrace
[02:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about backtrace - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:00] <pochu> :/
[02:00] <lifeless> !retrace
[02:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about retrace - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:00] <Kmos> !stacktrace
[02:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about stacktrace - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:00] <Kmos> lol
[02:00] <lifeless> ubotu: foad
[02:00] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[02:01] <Hobbsee> lifeless!  that's not nice!  :P
[02:01] <lifeless> Hobbsee: aw shucks, you found out my secret!
[02:01] <Hobbsee> :P
[02:01] <Hobbsee> lifeless: just eat the cockroaches.
[02:02] <Hobbsee> good form of protein.
[02:02] <lifeless> eww
[02:02] <lifeless> you gotta fry them first
[02:05] <ubotu> New bug: #109589 in gedit (main) "text edit a file on remote reports that the file has altered even though I am the one altering the file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109589
[02:05] <ubotu> New bug: #109590 in evolution (main) "Evolution fails to add certain birthdays to calendar" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109590
[02:10] <ubotu> New bug: #109592 in Ubuntu "feisty x86_64 boot freeze, early on" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109592
[02:15] <ubotu> New bug: #109593 in update-manager (main) "[apport]  package update-manager failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: SystemError in cache.commit(): E:Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109593
[02:24] <thekorn> asac: thekorn: you updated schema for proptags? <-- no, will do soon, I try to find a general solution for all 'fields'
[02:26] <ubotu> New bug: #109594 in evolution (main) "EVolution crashes when I accept an invitation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109594
[02:36] <ubotu> New bug: #109596 in totem (main) "titem-xine crash on quicktime from democracyplayer site" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109596
[03:05] <ubotu> New bug: #109598 in Ubuntu "[need-packaging]  Package reqest: Tovid" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109598
[03:05] <ubotu> New bug: #109599 in update-manager (main) "upgrade doesn't work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109599
[03:12] <bddebian> Boo
[03:12] <ogra> bee
[03:12] <bddebian> Heh, hi ogra
[03:12] <ogra> :)
[03:16] <ubotu> New bug: #109600 in Ubuntu "E: f-prot-installer: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109600
[03:16] <ubotu> New bug: #109601 in hplip (main) "[apport]  hpssd.py crashed with IOError in daemonize()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109601
[03:20] <ubotu> New bug: #109603 in at (main) "[apport]  package at failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109603
[03:20] <ubotu> New bug: #109604 in adept (main) "adept_manager db cache unopened" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109604
[03:21] <ubotu> New bug: #109602 in update-manager (main) "[apport]  update-manager crashed with TypeError in timeout)()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109602
[03:22] <jrib> bug 105972 attached /var/log/dist-upgrade/*.log but everything is in german (I think?).  I can make out most of it to see that it is a dup of bug 107739 but I was wondering if someone knows a quick way of translating those using the po files?
[03:22] <ubotu> Malone bug 105972 in gmediaserver "[apport]  package gmediaserver failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105972
[03:22] <ubotu> Malone bug 107739 in gmediaserver "Feisty upgrade aborts - can't install gmediaserver" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107739
[03:30] <ubotu> New bug: #109605 in Ubuntu "Dell Dimension 2400 splash screen is blank" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109605
[03:30] <ubotu> New bug: #109606 in Ubuntu "problems with reconfiguring the xserver, due to a problem with nvidia-glx-legacy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109606
[03:30] <ubotu> New bug: #109607 in gnome-panel (main) "Ubuntu Panel bar Position problem in Fiesta" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109607
[03:35] <ubotu> New bug: #109608 in hddtemp (universe) "drive names have extra spaces and strange characters" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109608
[03:35] <ubotu> New bug: #109609 in update-manager (main) "Could not install 'distcc'" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109609
[03:46] <ubotu> New bug: #109610 in hplip (main) "[apport]  toolbox crashed with AttributeError in PCardButton_clicked()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109610
[03:46] <ubotu> New bug: #109611 in amule (universe) "amule crashed when opening" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109611
[03:51] <ubotu> New bug: #109612 in synce-kde (universe) "Usability improvement for SynCE" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109612
[03:51] <ubotu> New bug: #109614 in kdelibs (main) "[apport]  kdeinit crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109614
[03:55] <ubotu> New bug: #109615 in gaim (main) "[apport]  gaim crashed with SIGSEGV in g_closure_invoke()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109615
[03:56] <asac> thekorn: yes ... for now listing all valid fields should be good enough imo
[03:59] <thekorn> asac: i changed the scheme file and I didn't add all valid fields, I just said that the value of a field attribute have to be any text
[04:00] <thekorn> asac: if that is not an attribute of the bug-object it will look in the whole text
[04:00] <asac> hmm ok ... though adding explicit list would allow to see people what is valid without looking at code
[04:00] <asac> anyway, we could document that in wiki too
[04:00] <ubotu> New bug: #109616 in Ubuntu "OpenOffice 2.2 jdbc posgres crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109616
[04:00] <ubotu> New bug: #109617 in arts (main) "[apport]  artsd crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109617
[04:01] <asac> thekorn: maybe we should print some warning when you specify a wrong field?
[04:01] <asac> otherwise you might not detect that you made a typo
[04:02] <thekorn> right, will add something like "unknown attribute <attr>, using .text instead"
[04:06] <ubotu> New bug: #109618 in djvulibre (main) "djvu crashes on printing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109618
[04:06] <ubotu> New bug: #109619 in nautilus (main) "nautilus crashes when i try to delete, paste or access the properties of any file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109619
[04:06] <ubotu> New bug: #109620 in sl-modem (multiverse) "sl-modem-daemon package description refer to kernel module intel8x0m" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109620
[04:06] <ubotu> New bug: #109621 in rdesktop (main) "rdesktop fails to logon when windows XP shows up a password expiration dialog" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109621
[04:11] <ubotu> New bug: #109622 in Ubuntu "Sound broke T43 AC'97 Controller" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109622
[04:11] <ubotu> New bug: #109623 in upgrade-system (universe) "distro upgrade from 6.10 to 7.04 crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109623
[04:16] <ubotu> New bug: #109624 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashe on playing video" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109624
[04:20] <thekorn> asac: I add a new patch to bug 109533, i added a warning
[04:21] <ubotu> Malone bug 109533 in bughelper "search in given field has to be fixed and generalized" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109533
[04:21] <ubotu> New bug: #109625 in update-manager (main) "Edgy to Feisty upgrade aborted "Could not install 'dmsetup'"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109625
[04:22] <asac> thekorn: have you looked into --try-clue (-T i guess) ? I guess we need to adapt it to test for proper fields as well
[04:23] <asac> thekorn: another cool feature request is bug 109628
[04:23] <ubotu> Malone bug 109628 in bughelper "allow clues to match "duplicate count > X"; e.g. to list top-crashers" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109628
[04:25] <ubotu> New bug: #109627 in adept (main) "de.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main Translation-en_GB does not work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109627
[04:30] <thekorn> asac: looking at bug bug 109628, do you have a suggestion for the syntax?
[04:30] <ubotu> New bug: #109629 in Ubuntu "3com NIC stops working after some time" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109629
[04:30] <ubotu> New bug: #109630 in update-manager (main) "Can't update due to message file tzdata_2007e-0ubuntu0.7.04_all.deb is missing" [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109630
[04:32] <thekorn> asac: -T supports only simple string-type conditions, no attributes so far
[04:35] <seb128> wb dholbach
[04:35] <seb128> how was lunch?
[04:35] <dholbach> nice
[04:35] <dholbach> and had a nice walk with my dog
[04:35] <dholbach> even had icecream :)
[04:35] <ubotu> New bug: #109631 in listen (universe) "Listen Music Player Crashes When Network Gateway Blocks Streaming Radio Ports" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109631
[04:36] <ubotu> New bug: #109632 in liferea (main) "core dumped" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109632
[04:36] <ubotu> New bug: #109633 in Ubuntu "clock goes 2.5 times too fast" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109633
[04:36] <ubotu> New bug: #109634 in update-manager (main) "Upgrade to Kubuntu 7.04, upgrade tool crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109634
[04:36] <ubotu> New bug: #109635 in Ubuntu "inaccessible website via ubuntu 7 networking platform" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109635
[04:40] <asac> thekorn: yes, but should -T be the proper place to check integrity of clues?
[04:41] <ubotu> New bug: #109636 in mozilla-thunderbird (main) "[apport]  mozilla-thunderbird-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109636
[04:41] <ubotu> New bug: #109637 in Ubuntu "The gnome panels don't appear when login" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109637
[04:41] <ubotu> New bug: #109638 in update-manager (main) "update-manager aborts on upgrade to 7.04" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109638
[04:41] <asac> thekorn: yes, i will think about the syntax for arithmetic matches
[04:41] <thekorn> asac: well, yes, it was as we had simple clues, but I have no idea how to test clues with "and/or" constructions and field attributes
[04:42] <asac> thekorn: what did it test for simple clues?
[04:43] <thekorn> asac: i mean check the integrity of clues...
[04:43] <asac> yes right ... but what integrity checks are currently done?
[04:43] <asac> just that each op contains a text?
[04:43] <asac> (not looking in code atm)
[04:45] <thekorn> such things can be tested with bugxml -v, this checks if a clue-file validates against a schema
[04:45] <asac> without thinking much i would say that integrity check = schema validation + check for things where schema is broad
[04:45] <ScottK> bdmurray: I looked at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage and I think it's very good.  You anticipated all the comments I thought I might have.
[04:46] <asac> thekorn: hmmm ... maybe we can either extend to check for valid fields in bugxml -v ?
[04:46] <asac> and ... no or :) atm
[04:48] <mvo_> dholbach: do you have a suggestion to verify bug #109213 ?
[04:48] <ubotu> Malone bug 109213 in bughelper "recent LP rollout broke Bug.add_comment()" [High,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109213
[04:49] <dholbach> mvo_: best to ask pitti to give you his piece of code that adds comments, etc (from the retracing service)
[04:50] <mvo_> dholbach: ok, thanks. I added a comment to the bug
[04:51] <asac> anyone knows if python pop3 does use NSS for https? (see bug 96447)
[04:52] <ubotu> Malone bug 96447 in firefox "https is broken for some" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96447
[04:54] <ScottK> Interesting.
[04:55] <ScottK> asac: I think the reporter has something specific wrong with his machine.  I use POPs all the time on Dapper, Edgy, and Feisty with no trouble.
[04:57] <asac> ScottK: point is that there have been multiple people claiming that https is broken
[04:57] <asac> even in that bug there are at least two
[04:57] <ubotu> New bug: #109640 in gromacs (universe) "g_rdf bug in gromacs 3.3.1-4" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109640
[04:57] <ubotu> New bug: #109641 in pango1.0 (main) "developer docs for libpango are broken" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109641
[04:58] <ScottK> asac: OK.  Also people for whom it is not broken.
[04:59] <ScottK> asac: Also, POPs doesn't do https: it uses SSL which is the same encryption tech underlying https, but in a different protocol.
[04:59] <ScottK> asac: So it's probably an SSL library or perhaps firewall config issue (if they have one).
[05:05] <ubotu> New bug: #109642 in Ubuntu "slmodemd man page should be in sl-modem-daemon package" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109642
[05:12] <bdmurray> ScottK: thanks
[05:14] <ScottK> bdmurray: You're welcome.
[05:16] <ubotu> New bug: #109643 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 "system frequently locks up with white screen with black lines while nvidia restricted driver in use must hard boot system" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109643
[05:16] <ubotu> New bug: #109644 in bibletime (universe) "Bibletime crashes when indexing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109644
[05:16] <asac> ScottK: thats why i asked if pyhton poplib uses NSS (which is a firefox provided ssl library)
[05:16] <ScottK> Ahh.
[05:21] <ubotu> New bug: #109645 in rdesktop (main) "Krdc crashed - after entering the logon name and password to log onto a Windows 2000 server it crashed leaving a dead RDP connection on the Terminal server." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109645
[05:21] <ubotu> New bug: #109647 in gnome-system-tools (main) "[users-admin]  blank password not allowed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109647
[05:21] <ubotu> New bug: #109648 in net-snmp (main) "libsnmp-base fails updating to feisty fawn" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109648
[05:22] <hggdh> asac: wasn't there an issue a few weeks/months ago with libnss being incompatible with a back-level firefox?
[05:24] <ScottK> asac: Python depends on openssl, so no.
[05:26] <ubotu> New bug: #109649 in Ubuntu "The install dialog box is larger than the default resolution (800x600). Next button cannot be seen without removing toolbars." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109649
[05:27] <asac> hggdh: there was n issue in dapper yes ... but that is gone and multiple reporters confirmed that
[05:27] <ScottK> asac: If I were guessing, I'd guess that they two in question are talking to an SSL implementation that is missing or has defective implmeentation of a particular algorithm.
[05:27] <asac> however ... i never was able to track down where and when https does not work for firefox in edgy, feisty
[05:28] <asac> ScottK: hmm
[05:28] <ScottK> asac: I've seen similar things between Postfix TLS and MS Exchange.
[05:29] <asac> ScottK: would you work on that bug a bit and try to gather as much info from them as possible? I just have a bad feeling about it :)
[05:29] <ScottK> asac: I really don't have time today.
[05:30] <asac> ok ... though I didn't ment today ... but more general ;)
[05:30] <ScottK> asac: OK. assign it to me and I'll look at it when I can.
[05:31] <asac> ScottK: thanks a lot ... if you need assistance or think you don't get any further, just reassign back to mozilla-bugs :)
[05:32] <asac> ScottK: scottk, right?
[05:32] <ScottK> kitterman in LP.
[05:32] <ScottK> I thik.
[05:32] <asac> oh ok
[05:32] <ScottK> think
[05:32] <ScottK> Just look it up.
[05:33] <asac> done
[05:33] <asac> thanks
[05:33] <asac> yes kitterman existed ;)
[05:40] <ubotu> New bug: #109653 in ntfs-config (universe) "ntfs-config not KDE compatible because of gksu" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109653
[05:40] <ubotu> New bug: #109654 in ubiquity (main) "The migration-assistant (Desktop CD) doesnt seem to work with every Windows XP installation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109654
[05:46] <ubotu> New bug: #109655 in Ubuntu "CD content invisible" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109655
[05:51] <ubotu> New bug: #109651 in ubuntu-doc "Change the  Compiz documentation website link in 7.04 help center (dup-of: 109041)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109651
[05:51] <ubotu> New bug: #109658 in Ubuntu "jack sink missing in pulseaudio (dup-of: 109659)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109658
[05:56] <ubotu> New bug: #109659 in Ubuntu "jack sink missing in pulseaudio" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109659
[06:01] <ubotu> New bug: #109661 in Ubuntu "Upgrade tool crashed Edgy->Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109661
[06:01] <ogra> mvo_, bug 109638 is pretty weird ...
[06:01] <ubotu> Malone bug 109638 in ltsp "update-manager aborts on upgrade to 7.04" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109638
[06:02] <ogra> mvo_, ltsp-client isnt installable in a normal ubuntu system ... its shouldnt be in that list at all
[06:02] <ogra> *it
[06:02] <mvo_> Installing ltsp-client as dep of ltspfsd
[06:02] <mvo_> (from the logs)
[06:02] <ogra> yes
[06:03] <mvo_> users do not always know what they do (unfortunately)
[06:03] <ogra> ltspfsd isnt installable in a normal system wither
[06:03] <ogra> *either
[06:03] <mvo_> right
[06:03] <ogra> both packages are supposed to check for /etc/ltsp_chroot
[06:03] <ogra> if thats not there they should error out
[06:03] <mvo_> I asked him to provide the full logs
[06:04] <mvo_> I can add a check in update-manager that will refuse a upgrade if ltsp-client/ltspfsd is installed
[06:04] <ogra> i see the ful logs, but they wont get us info how he got into that state
[06:04] <mvo_> but I really would prefer if the postinst would not fail
[06:04] <ogra> could you forcefully remove it ?
[06:04] <mvo_> sure, I could do that as well
[06:04] <mvo_> purge?
[06:04] <ogra> well, it was a debian addition ... i'm not sure how to make it not fail
[06:04] <mvo_> or what do you mean with forcefully?
[06:04] <ogra> yeah, purge would be great
[06:05] <ogra> well, get it off the system :)
[06:05] <mvo_> failing maintainer scripts are evil, debian does not know this so well as we do because people upgrade less often
[06:05] <ogra> the ltsp-client initscripts will break normal systems ...
[06:05] <ubotu> New bug: #109664 in adept (main) "adept: "manage repositories" is still a toggle action" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109664
[06:05] <ubotu> New bug: #109665 in moin (main) "[apport]  moin.fcg crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109665
[06:05] <ubotu> New bug: #109666 in lastfm (universe) "/var/crash/_usr_bin_lastfm.1000.crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109666
[06:05] <mvo_> let me correct that, maintainer scripts in general are evil
[06:05] <mvo_> EVIL
[06:06] <ogra> well, show me another way and i'll go it :)
[06:06] <mvo_> ogra: I add a workaround to update-manager for now
[06:06] <ogra> i prefer to have 10 users complaining about maintainer scripts failing than having 10000 users with not booting systems
[06:06] <ogra> thanks
[06:07] <mvo_> well, if 10.000 users have ltsp-client installed, then this means that 10.000 upgrades will break
[06:07] <mvo_> and the system won't boot as a bonus :)
[06:07] <ogra> theoretically they cant have it installed
[06:07] <ogra> because it complains :)
[06:07] <mvo_> yeah, that is puzzeling
[06:08] <ogra> you might have it half installed or so ... but then apt-get would refuse to work at all ..
[06:08] <mvo_> I add "ltsp-client, ltspfsd " to the remove list, is there more?
[06:08] <ogra> no
[06:08] <mvo_> ok
[06:08] <ogra> ldm wont break the world ... tats the only one
[06:08] <mvo_> I can blacklist ldm here too
[06:09] <ogra> nah, i'll work on gutsy to make it an optional fullscreen ssh client
[06:09] <ogra> so it should be installable as standalone app
[06:09] <mvo_> ok
[06:09] <ogra> i'll go over the deps everywhere in gutsy and make sure ltspfsd depends on ltsp-client ... so you onyl need to blacklist one
[06:10] <ubotu> New bug: #109667 in totem (main) "totem visual effects take 100% cpu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109667
[06:10] <ubotu> New bug: #109668 in network-manager (main) "Network-manager connects to wifi only conditionally" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109668
[06:10] <ubotu> New bug: #109669 in eclipse (universe) "Unable to create view: NS_InitXPCOM3 Fiesty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109669
[06:11] <mvo_> ogra: commited, those two are blacklisted now, if I get more than this single report I will do a sru upload for it
[06:11] <ogra> ok
[06:11] <ogra> i dont think you will get more
[06:12] <ogra> he must have forced it somehow or have installed any ind of breezy development version wher we didnt have that restriction because it was immaure
[06:12] <ogra> *kind
[06:21] <ubotu> New bug: #109670 in gparted (main) "gparted claims resize failed when it didn't" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109670
[06:21] <ubotu> New bug: #109672 in grub (main) "Windows 2000 hangs on start when grub is used" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109672
[06:23] <blackskad> seb128: hi :)
[06:26] <seb128> Hi blackskad
[06:26] <ubotu> New bug: #109673 in network-manager (main) "Upgrade to Feisty 7.04 breaks my wireless connection." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109673
[06:26] <ubotu> New bug: #109674 in control-center (main) "Sound applet crashes with SB Live 24bit USB on Ubuntu 7.04" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109674
[06:26] <blackskad> seb128: I added the .gnome2/session file to the bugreport
[06:27] <seb128> blackskad: ok, cool
[06:27] <blackskad> (to bug #106350)
[06:27] <ubotu> Malone bug 106350 in metacity "Metacity crash corrupts future Gnome sessions" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106350
[06:27] <blackskad> does gnome start metacity using the session file (if there is one)?
[06:27] <seb128> yes
[06:28] <blackskad> then a workaround is not to save the session :)
[06:28] <seb128> if there is none it uses /usr/share/gnome/default.session
[06:28] <seb128> which does list gnome-wm
[06:28] <blackskad> aha :)
[06:28] <seb128> what would be nice would be to get a debug backtrace for the crash happening on logout
[06:28] <seb128> could you try to install metacity-dbgsym and get one?
[06:29] <blackskad> I'll try :)
[06:29] <seb128> the bug is the crash
[06:29] <seb128> does it happen without using the session saving?
[06:30] <blackskad> I don't know, it's quite hard to spot if metacity crashes
[06:30] <blackskad> the only way I really notice is that it doesn't come up at login
[06:31] <seb128> when apport is running you get the crash to /var/crash
[06:31] <ubotu> New bug: #109675 in Ubuntu "Ubuntu Feisty Desktop" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109675
[06:31] <ubotu> New bug: #109676 in gpdf (universe) "gpdf overlays pages" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109676
[06:31] <ubotu> New bug: #109677 in clamav (universe) "ClamAV 0.90.2 fixes two vulnerabilities" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109677
[06:31] <ubotu> New bug: #109678 in Ubuntu "sound OK on Feisty upgrade but not new installation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109678
[06:31] <ubotu> New bug: #109679 in update-manager (main) "upgrade to feisty fawn failed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109679
[06:32] <blackskad> it's possible that it happens, but without saving, metacity does restart
[06:33] <blackskad> I'll turn off the session-saving tomorrow and see if there is a report in /var/crash
[06:33] <blackskad> hmm, apt-get doesn't find the package :s
[06:34] <blackskad> what repository should it be in?
[06:34] <pochu> blackskad: do you mean metacity-dbgsym?
[06:35] <blackskad> yes
[06:35] <pochu> deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/ddebs feisty main universe
[06:35] <pochu> and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[06:35] <pochu> :)
[06:35] <blackskad> thanks pochu :)
[06:37] <umarmung> Can someone please have a look at bug 105561? I marked it as a dupe, but the reporter thinks it's not.
[06:37] <ubotu> Malone bug 105561 in compiz "compiz doesn't handle all keyboard shortcuts (dup-of: 76965)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105561
[06:37] <ubotu> Malone bug 76965 in compiz "Metacity Keyboard Shortcuts manually defined in gconf (not capplet) do not work with Compiz" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/76965
[06:37] <umarmung> I don't want anyone's bugreport being overlooked, because I made a mistake.
[06:39] <ScottK> umarmung: It's a dupe, but be polite in your discussions with the reporter.
[06:40] <umarmung> ScottK: I'm always polite. :)
[06:40] <ScottK> umarmung: Not everyone is.
[06:41] <ubotu> New bug: #109681 in kdebase (main) "Cannot click links in KHelpCenter [KHTML bug] " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109681
[06:44] <qense> I'm triaging bug 109646, but I don't know if there is enough information. Are there log files the developers need, but aren't added? Should I confirm it?
[06:44] <ubotu> Malone bug 109646 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 "nVidia drivers + Firefox + wiki.ubuntu.com = X server crash" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109646
[06:45] <blackskad> seb128: metacity-dbgsym is installed
[06:45] <blackskad> seb128: do I generate a backtrace now using https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace#head-639b69c32517228b81d50fefa69aa726c71ae066 ?
[06:46] <ubotu> New bug: #109682 in ruby-defaults (main) "Missing Dependency: RubyGems" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109682
[06:46] <ScottK> qense: Have you looked for dupes?
[06:50] <ubotu> New bug: #109683 in update-manager (main) "Update from Ubuntu 6.10 to 7.04 not initialize" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109683
[06:51] <ScottK> qense: Let's keep the conversation here so others can benifit or correct me if I'm wrong.
[06:52] <ScottK> qense: I wasn't kidding about keeping the conversation here.
[06:52] <qense> ScottK: Sorry, I didn't read it.
[06:53] <ScottK> No problem.
[06:53] <ScottK> Ask your question again.
[06:54] <qense> I'm triaging bug 109646, but I don't know if there is enough information. Are there log files the developers need, but aren't added? Should I confirm it?
[06:54] <ubotu> Malone bug 109646 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 "nVidia drivers + Firefox + wiki.ubuntu.com = X server crash" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109646
[06:54] <qense> I think  bug 109477 is a duplicate of this
[06:54] <ubotu> Malone bug 109477 in xorg-server "[apport]  Xorg crashed with signal 5" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109477
[06:54] <qense> and maybe bug 102205
[06:54] <ubotu> Malone bug 102205 in xorg-server "Xorg crashed - one of many" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102205
[06:55] <ScottK> Are those reporters using the same video card?
[06:55] <ubotu> New bug: #109684 in planner (main) "Planner Gantt chart rendering bug" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109684
[06:55] <ubotu> New bug: #109685 in supertux (universe) "SuperTux Intel HDA Audio Glitch" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109685
[06:55] <ubotu> New bug: #109687 in beryl-core (universe) "[apport]  beryl crashed with SIGSEGV in XPending()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109687
[06:55] <ubotu> New bug: #109688 in Ubuntu "[apport]  kicker crashed with SIGSEGV in QGArray::QGArray()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109688
[06:57] <qense> I don't now, I think I should ask them and ad the maybe duplicate tag
[06:58] <ScottK> Unless it's the same video card, don't dupe them.
[06:58] <qense> bug 109477 is reported by the same one as the one who reported bug 109646
[06:58] <ubotu> Malone bug 109477 in xorg-server "[apport]  Xorg crashed with signal 5" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109477
[06:58] <ubotu> Malone bug 109646 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 "nVidia drivers + Firefox + wiki.ubuntu.com = X server crash" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109646
[06:58] <ScottK> It's good information to have added to those other bugs.
[06:59] <qense> wich information? that it's happening with others also?
[07:00] <ScottK> The bugs that don't say what video card they have.  Ask them the question as it's good information to have.
[07:00] <qense> oh, I'll ask. But should I mark the two bugs from the same reporter as duplicate? there describing the same problem
[07:01] <ubotu> New bug: #109680 in clamav (universe) "ClamAV 0.90.2 fixes two vulnerabilities" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109680
[07:01] <ubotu> New bug: #109689 in vmware-player (multiverse) "[Feisty]  VMware Player unrecoverable error: (vcpu-0)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109689
[07:01] <ubotu> New bug: #109690 in Ubuntu "Feisty SATA disk write errors on large files" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109690
[07:01] <ubotu> New bug: #109691 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "web camera  046d:0840 Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Express driver crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109691
[07:01] <ubotu> New bug: #109692 in proftpd-dfsg (universe) "[apport]  package proftpd failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109692
[07:01] <ScottK> I'd say yes, but before you do, change the one that says linux restricted modules to xorg.
[07:02] <qense> xorg-server or xorg?
[07:06] <ScottK> qense: Not sure.  I'd just go with xorg if you don't know.
[07:07] <qense> ScottK:Thank you for your help
[07:07] <ScottK> You're welcom.
[07:07] <ScottK> welcome
[07:11] <ubotu> New bug: #109693 in amaya (universe) "amaya depends on msttcorefonts" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109693
[07:11] <ubotu> New bug: #109694 in apport (main) "[apport]  apport-checkreports crashed with SIGILL in PyEval_EvalFrameEx()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109694
[07:16] <torkiano> Is #109693 a real bug or I  confirm it?
[07:20] <ubotu> New bug: #108515 in update-manager "Separate downloading and upgrading" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/108515
[07:20] <ubotu> New bug: #109696 in gaim (main) "[apport]  gaim crashed with SIGSEGV in gaim_conversation_get_account()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109696
[07:20] <ScottK> torkiano: Sort if.  Look and see what I did with it.
[07:22] <torkiano> ok perfect solution ScottK, thank you
[07:23] <mjunx> is one allowed to confirm one's own bug reports?
[07:24] <thekorn> dholbach: still around for a short question?
[07:24] <dholbach> yep
[07:24] <thekorn> nice session btw
[07:24] <dholbach> thanks a lot :)
[07:25] <thekorn> when it do improvements in HTMLoperations in the xpath branch do i also have to find a solution for main
[07:25] <thekorn> are can we move to the xpath version soon
[07:25] <ubotu> New bug: #109697 in python-defaults (main) "tarfile broken when no name is given" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109697
[07:26] <mjunx> can anyone help reproduce a bug for me? anyone using KDE (or at least has Konqueror installed)
[07:26] <dholbach> thekorn: I think we absolutely can
[07:26] <dholbach> thekorn: let me know when you are happy with the basics of xpath branch and I'll test it and check it out again - we should improve it from then on in .main
[07:27] <dholbach> thekorn: you did great work already
[07:28] <thekorn> ok, nice, thanks
[07:29] <dholbach> super
[07:32] <torkiano> mjunx: here edgy with kde 3.5.6
[07:32] <mjunx> sweet, alright
[07:33] <mjunx> torkiano, go to /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/konqueror/index.html
[07:33] <mjunx> are the links easily clickable?
[07:33] <mjunx> or can you only click on the whitespace directly above lower case letters?
[07:36] <ubotu> New bug: #109698 in Ubuntu "cant load new packages" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109698
[07:36] <ubotu> New bug: #109699 in usplash (main) "Occasional Corrupted Bootsplash (Double Image)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109699
[07:38] <torkiano> mjunx: i hane not index.html file
[07:38] <mjunx> install kdebase-doc-html
[07:39] <torkiano> mjunx: ok, one moment
[07:41] <ubotu> New bug: #109700 in adept (main) "Adept Manager and Adept Updater don't use PROXY SETTINGS when checking for distro updates" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109700
[07:41] <ubotu> New bug: #109701 in Ubuntu "Package request for Truecrypt" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109701
[07:41] <torkiano> mjunx: I can only click on the whitespace directly above lower case letters
[07:41] <mjunx> ok, thanks
[07:41] <torkiano> seems a bug
[07:41] <mjunx> !bug 109681
[07:41] <ubotu> Malone bug 109681 in kdebase "Cannot click links in KHelpCenter [KHTML bug] " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109681
[07:42] <mjunx> go ahead and comment if you wish; that would make me feel better about confirming my own bug
[07:43] <mjunx> torkiano, how about another bug with ksnapshot?
[07:43] <torkiano> go
[07:44] <mjunx> press print screen to launch it
[07:44] <mjunx> choose "Region" for the selection mode
[07:44] <mjunx> then click and drag over a region
[07:44] <mjunx> on the screen, and tell me, do you see artifacts introduced by the mouse cursor?
[07:44] <mjunx> like, while you're draggin
[07:46] <ubotu> New bug: #109702 in grub (main) "Grub goes awry after web upgrade to Fiesty Fawn" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109702
[07:46] <torkiano> mjunx: no, i don't see
[07:46] <mjunx> ok, what video card do you have?
[07:46] <torkiano> firegl 8800
[07:46] <torkiano> ati
[07:46] <mjunx> ok, I've got an intel here
[07:47] <torkiano> with opensource  drivers
[07:48] <mjunx> could be a bug with the intel drivers, or a bug with AIGLX (I'm using kwin, but I have composite enabled), or a bug in xorg 7.2
[07:49] <torkiano> mjunx: I comment in your fisrt bug,  can you confirm it?
[07:49] <mjunx> yeah, I confirmed it
[07:49] <torkiano> mjunx: disable composite
[07:49] <torkiano> and try again
[07:49] <mjunx> yeah, I'll try that in a minute
[07:51] <ubotu> New bug: #109703 in xorg (main) "X module Int10 fails to initialize - Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109703
[07:51] <ubotu> New bug: #109704 in mozilla-thunderbird (main) "[apport]  mozilla-thunderbird-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109704
[07:54] <mjunx> torkiano, what version of Xorg are you using?
[07:55] <ubotu> New bug: #109706 in Ubuntu "IDE cdrom not recognized after upgrade from Ubuntu 6.10 to 7.04" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109706
[07:55] <ubotu> New bug: #109707 in gaim (main) "[apport]  gaim crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109707
[07:58] <torkiano> mjunx: 7.1.1ubuntu6
[07:58] <torkiano> edgy versin
[07:58] <mjunx> alright, thanks
[07:58] <mjunx> bug 108673
[07:58] <ubotu> Malone bug 108673 in kdegraphics "Region capture mode leaves artifacts" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/108673
[08:00] <real_ate> hey all, any hardware or wireless experts want to help me identify a bug?
[08:00] <real_ate> this isn't my field and hence can't think of a way to start
[08:00] <ubotu> New bug: #109708 in Ubuntu "[Feisty]  loading hdaps module fails on IBM R60" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109708
[08:00] <ubotu> New bug: #109709 in gnome-panel (main) "feisty - installed applets (invest, weather) on panel; they don't respond, and I can't remove them " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109709
[08:03] <mjunx> I'm no expert, but I might be able to help with another testcase, real_ate
[08:05] <real_ate> ok, well its a new thing to my system with 7.04, when running ifconfig xxxx up the system hangs. i first noticed it in the automatic config during instalation
[08:05] <mjunx> pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces file
[08:05] <ubotu> New bug: #109710 in gaim (main) "Unclosable gAIM Window" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109710
[08:06] <torkiano> real_ate: what is your network card?
[08:06] <torkiano> real_ate: driver rt61?
[08:06] <real_ate> it a dlink usb dongle
[08:07] <torkiano> real_ate: do you know the chip? ralink?
[08:07] <real_ate> and i don't know anyting about this field so you'll have to talk me throught it, i'm a software not a hardware
[08:07] <real_ate> well on trying to hard shut down now i'm getting a warning
[08:07] <torkiano> pastebin lspci
[08:08] <real_ate> [1866.492796]  BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0
[08:09] <real_ate> i'll have to restart, i'll get that stuff now
[08:11] <ubotu> New bug: #109711 in kdelibs (main) "[apport]  kdeinit crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109711
[08:11] <ubotu> New bug: #109713 in hdaps-utils (universe) "[feisty]  No hdaps on IBM t60p" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109713
[08:16] <ubotu> New bug: #109712 in xorg (main) "Killing X with Ctrl-Alt-Backspace multiple time corrupt the display when using the vesa driver with a Q965 graphic controller" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109712
[08:16] <blackskad> seb128: you've got some time?
[08:21] <ubotu> New bug: #109714 in openoffice.org (main) "open office impress says it crashed and will recover in next time launch,afterwards opens openoffice writer without calling" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109714
[08:21] <ubotu> New bug: #109715 in network-manager (main) "NetworkManager floods syslog" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109715
[08:26] <ubotu> New bug: #109717 in Ubuntu "[apport]  artsd crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109717
[08:26] <ubotu> New bug: #109718 in beryl-core (universe) "beryl --skip-gl-yield" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109718
[08:29] <real_ate> mjunx: my interfaces file doesn't seem to have the wireless dongle
[08:29] <real_ate> mjunx: but the pastebin is paste.uni.cc/14792
[08:29] <mjunx> real_ate, try doing "ifconfig -a" to see if the interface is detected at least
[08:29] <real_ate> yea it is
[08:30] <real_ate> i did iwconfig and it is showin all the stats that you would expect
[08:30] <real_ate> essid etc
[08:30] <real_ate> power
[08:30] <ubotu> New bug: #109720 in blender (universe) "blender manual doesn't open in default browser" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109720
[08:33] <real_ate> is there any way that i can dump whats going on in the ifconfig xxx up
[08:34] <real_ate> ?
[08:35] <Kmos> wireshark ?
[08:35] <Kmos> ethereal
[08:35] <ubotu> New bug: #109721 in nvidia-kernel-common (restricted) "Feisty upgrade broke a working dual monitor setup." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109721
[08:36] <Kmos> real_ate: sudo apt-get install wireshark
[08:36] <real_ate> Kmos: well i'm not connected to the internet, i have no alternative wired connection in my location
[08:37] <bdmurray> real_ate: tcpdump then
[08:41] <torkiano> real_ate: paste lsusb
[08:44] <^jcole> i get grayed out windows that are not responsive... killing them and restarting them gets really annoying
[08:44] <^jcole> i'm in gaim right now, which will most definitely freeze later on today
[08:46] <ubotu> New bug: #109722 in openoffice.org-dictionaries (main) "The asistend does not work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109722
[08:46] <ubotu> New bug: #109723 in gedit (main) "Gedit Arabic File Name Titlebar Error" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109723
[08:50] <ubotu> New bug: #109724 in gaim (main) "icq account is not shown in gaim" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109724
[08:50] <ubotu> New bug: #109725 in Ubuntu "can't set hardware address in /etc/network/interfaces " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109725
[08:50] <ubotu> New bug: #109726 in matchbox-keyboard (universe) "Wrong small/capital in fi layout" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109726
[08:55] <ubotu> New bug: #109727 in xsane (main) "xscan not connecting with scanner and crashing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109727
[09:00] <ubotu> New bug: #109728 in democracyplayer (universe) "Democracy Player crashes on search" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109728
[09:01] <ubotu> New bug: #109729 in beagle (main) "Inappropriate --replace option at startup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109729
[09:05] <real_ate> bdmurray: tcpdump says that there are not any suitable devices
[09:11] <ubotu> New bug: #109731 in util-vserver (universe) ""vserver build" segfaults" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109731
[09:15] <ubotu> New bug: #109732 in firefox (main) "Help menu entry "Report a bug" inconsistent with Gnome" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109732
[09:26] <ubotu> New bug: #109734 in freetype (main) "Verdana Bold rendering problems" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109734
[09:31] <ubotu> New bug: #109736 in evolution (main) "Saving attachments that contain spaces in their filenames produces files with %20 insted of each space" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109736
[09:35] <ubotu> New bug: #109737 in Ubuntu "fsck problem at boot time" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109737
[09:35] <ubotu> New bug: #109738 in openoffice.org (main) "Open .ppt, diaporama, then close it makes Open office 2.2 crashing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109738
[09:41] <ubotu> New bug: #109739 in kdebase (main) "[apport]  kfontinst crashed with SIGSEGV in FT_Get_Postscript_Name()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109739
[09:46] <ubotu> New bug: #109742 in alsa-driver (main) "alsa-base and alsa-utils will not upgrade in Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109742
[09:46] <ubotu> New bug: #109743 in sunclock (universe) "[apport]  sunclock crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109743
[09:56] <ubotu> New bug: #109744 in playground (universe) "playground does not work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109744
[10:01] <ubotu> New bug: #109746 in ubiquity (main) "the installer crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109746
[10:01] <ubotu> New bug: #109747 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "MP-BIOS bug: 8254 timer not conected to IO-APIC with nvidia 430" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109747
[10:10] <ubotu> New bug: #109748 in kdelibs (main) "[apport]  kdeinit crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109748
[10:16] <ubotu> New bug: #109749 in inkscape (main) "inkscape crashed when trying to save in OASIS-format (*.odg)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109749
[10:16] <ubotu> New bug: #109750 in Ubuntu "avah port setup to Eth0 which isn't a valid interface" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109750
[10:26] <ubotu> New bug: #109751 in bogofilter (main) "[apport]  bogofilter crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109751
[10:26] <ubotu> New bug: #109752 in Ubuntu "7.04 installation, vidio issue" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109752
[10:30] <ubotu> New bug: #109753 in Ubuntu "[Feisty]  SWScanner crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109753
[10:35] <ubotu> New bug: #109754 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "Webcam image for my ZC0302 is upside down and of poor quality. This is a regression from Edgy " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109754
[10:40] <ubotu> New bug: #109755 in Ubuntu "update-manager could not initialize..." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109755
[10:45] <ubotu> New bug: #109756 in Ubuntu "Log flooding (filled my root partition)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109756
[10:51] <ubotu> New bug: #109758 in update-manager (main) "mysql upgrade causes update-manager to fail on edgy-> feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109758
[10:51] <ubotu> New bug: #109760 in gnome-panel (main) "Top and Bottom Screen Panels Stopped Working Properly in Ubuntu Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109760
[11:01] <ubotu> New bug: #109761 in Ubuntu "IEEE1394 - Video grab does not work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109761
[11:06] <ubotu> New bug: #109762 in Ubuntu "resume from suspend to Ram only works once - I/O error the second time (Samsung X20 - feisty)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109762
[11:16] <ubotu> New bug: #109764 in linux-meta (main) "First connection attempts usually fail" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109764
[11:16] <ubotu> New bug: #109765 in update-manager (main) "run apt-get autoclean after upgrade" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109765
[11:18] <anon_magik> hello everyone
[11:20] <anon_magik> hello
[11:21] <ubotu> New bug: #109766 in heliodor (universe) "Beryl manager crashes in KDE on startup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109766
[11:23] <pochu> hi :)
[11:25] <ubotu> New bug: #109768 in python-defaults (main) "idle started -n, vulnerable to deadlocking" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109768
[11:26] <ubotu> New bug: #109767 in Ubuntu "nsert a rewriteable or blank disc when trying to use CD/DVD Creator, with blank disc in CDR drive" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109767
[11:45] <pikkio> hi
[11:49] <pikkio> while triaging, I found an old bug on the bzip2 Source Package in Ubuntu. Since it's the only one, I wonder if that is the wrong place for such a bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bzip2/+bugs
[11:49] <bdmurray> pikkio: looking
[11:52] <bdmurray> pikkio: it seems to actually be a bug in doc-base as that is the package having the problem
[11:52] <pikkio> yes, so it seems
[11:53] <bdmurray> so we could change the package and tag it as bite-size I believe
[11:53] <bdmurray> eh, its bitesize one word
[11:53] <pikkio> ok, I'll do it
[11:53] <bdmurray> and probably packaging as the bug is in the control file
[11:54] <pikkio> thank you
[11:54] <bdmurray> sure, no problem thanks for finding that bug again