[04:48] <mneptok> WOOOT! LP is back!
[04:56] <bhale> mneptok: really?
[04:56] <mneptok> bhale: well .... *mostly*
[04:56] <mneptok> :/
[04:56] <bhale> oh
[04:56] <bhale> there it is
[04:56] <mneptok> it's rather slow
[04:57] <bhale> i am still annoyed by having to dig up "ubuntu" project
[04:57] <bhale> and then my package
[05:00] <ajmitch> hello bhale, mneptok 
[05:01] <bhale> hi ajmitch 
[05:05] <zul> hey ajmitch and mneptok 
[05:05] <ajmitch> what's up?
[05:06] <qiyong> i want to join
[05:09] <zul> ajmitch: not much just got back from the hospital again?
[05:09] <ajmitch> fun
[05:09] <zul> not particulairly
[05:19] <grayman> qiyong, join where?
[05:20] <qiyong> grayman, anything
[05:20] <grayman> ...
[05:20] <qiyong> grayman, i understand kernel well, i like C, shell
[05:21] <grayman> erm. did you read anything from what is in the topic?
[05:21] <grayman> also a nice skill :)
[05:22] <qiyong> yes, i read some from the website
[05:22] <micahcowan> qiyong, "#ubuntu-motu for getting involved with development" :)
[05:22] <qiyong> i installed a feisty amd64 on my notebook with deboostrap, etc
[05:23] <qiyong> micahcowan, seems there are for packaging mainly
[05:23] <micahcowan> qiyong, that's a huge part of what developing for Ubuntu is. Without packaging, it's just "development" (not Ubuntu-specific).
[05:24] <qiyong> micahcowan, yeah, as a distro
[05:24] <micahcowan> They do discuss more than packaging, however. In any case, that's where you go to find out how to get involved in developing for Ubuntu.
[05:24] <qiyong> packaging is ok for me too
[05:35] <psusi> is there a way I can get access to build servers for the other platforms to work on a pakage that fails to compile except on i386 and amd64 ( the two that I have )?
[05:48] <tonyyarusso> psusi: ping imbrandon 
[05:49] <psusi> k
[06:03] <fabbione> morning
[06:04] <ajmitch> morning fabbione 
[06:19] <Treenaks> Argh :) My modem seems to work (finally; sl-modem).. but I just ditched my analog phone line :)
[06:19] <Treenaks> so I can't test it
[08:23] <ajmitch> hey daniel
[08:24] <dholbach> good morning
[08:24] <dholbach> hey andrew
[08:25] <poningru> jdub: ping
[08:26] <poningru> nvm
[09:05] <pitti> Good morning
[09:06] <dholbach> hey pitti
[09:08] <mdke> something broken in feisty-updates with tzdata?
[09:10] <Mithrandir> morning, Pitti
[09:10] <pitti> mdke: hm? --verbose please?
[09:10] <Mithrandir> pitti: you played with noveau yesterday?  How well did it work?
[09:10] <pitti> Mithrandir: well, it came up to gdm, and then X crashed at session login
[09:11] <Mithrandir> ugh, ok.
[09:11] <pitti> Mithrandir: I need to try this again on a live system
[09:11] <Mithrandir> so Not There Yet.
[09:11] <pitti> Mithrandir: it works well for the amd64/GeForce 6600 of mh21
[09:11] <pitti> Mithrandir: they definitively do not support 3D ATM, so it might be that something triggered glx
[09:12] <mdke> pitti: upgrade-manager says:
[09:12] <pitti> Mithrandir: I'll play around with that a bit later again
[09:12] <Mithrandir> pitti: any idea if they do dualhead yet?
[09:12] <pitti> Mithrandir: no, sorry, no idea
[09:12] <mdke> pitti: damn, can't paste what it says. Anyway, it's a 404
[09:13] <pitti> mdke: indeed
[09:13] <pitti> wget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/t/tzdata/tzdata_2007e-0ubuntu0.7.04_all.deb -> 404
[09:13] <mdke> that's the one
[09:13] <pitti> ~prop1 still works
[09:15] <pitti> hm, I can't see anything wrong with it on drescher
[09:15] <pitti> mdke: thanks for bringing this up, I'll contact the soyuz guys
[09:15] <crimsun> 91.189.88.40 is the offending IP.
[09:15] <crimsun> 88.{31,42} and 89.6 are fine
[09:16] <mdke> pitti: cool
[09:16] <pitti> oh, then it's rather a mirroring problem
[09:16] <ajmitch> Mithrandir: afaik dualhead with nouveau is still some way off for many cards 
[09:16] <mdke> mine is archive.u.c
[09:16] <ajmitch> morning sabdfl 
[09:16] <mdke> morning sabdfl 
[09:17] <sabdfl> morning all
[09:17] <pitti> hey sabdfl
[09:17] <Hobbsee> hi all
[09:17] <ajmitch> hey Hobbsee :)
[09:17] <Hobbsee> :)
[09:26] <pitti> mdke: ah, I got the RT ticket number for that: #27742, in case you want to make inquiries yourself
[09:27] <mdke> pitti: no worries, I'm happy to wait. I can't see RT tickets anyway :)
[09:28] <pitti> mdke: no, but you can ask in #c-s about them
[09:29] <mdke> pitti: ok thanks. I'm happy to wait for it to be resolved
[09:29] <pitti> great
[09:32] <siretart> keescook: thanks for handling the rdesktop issue for dapper and edgy
[09:33] <ajmitch> hi siretart 
[09:33] <siretart> hi ajmitch 
[09:41] <\sh> moins simira 
[09:41] <\sh> aehm
[09:41] <\sh> siretart, 
[09:41] <\sh> I mean
[09:42] <pitti> hey seb128
[09:43] <seb128> hey pitti
[09:44] <siretart> hi \sh 
[09:45] <ion_> you.each {|person| hi person }
[09:46] <siretart> ruby?
[09:46] <ion_> That.
[09:48] <pitti>  p  Persons. hello(p)
[09:50] <ion_> :-)
[10:09] <ajmitch> it's back? yay!
[10:09] <ajmitch> now we can see what work we have to do
[10:11] <seb128> now we only need to get gutsy running ;)
[10:11] <ajmitch> "soon"
[10:11] <Hobbsee> hah
[10:14] <Treenaks> bzr.dev is 666 days old today :)
[10:21] <zyga> morning :-)
[10:21] <zyga> mvo: hey
[10:21] <mvo> hey zyga
[10:21] <zyga> mvo: I have a question about gnome-app-install
[10:21] <mvo> zyga: sure, fire
[10:21] <zyga> how did you get all the icons out?
[10:21] <zyga> I mean: there are muliple themes
[10:22] <zyga> how did you associate exact icon with each icon entry in the desktop files?
[10:22] <mvo> zyga: searching multiple directories for icons and have a order of preferences
[10:22] <zyga> mhm
[10:23] <zyga> and you extract all the icons from main and universe and pack it along with their desktop files?
[10:25] <mvo> zyga: yes
[10:26] <mvo> zyga: well, not all of them of course, only one for each application
[10:26] <lifeless> dholbach: is the motutools rename still needed ?
[10:27] <dholbach> lifeless: yes. TheMuso: ?
[10:28] <lifeless> dholbach: this will break bzr urls for everyone
[10:29] <yondie> anyone is it possible to use synaptic with a https_proxy ?
[10:29] <lifeless> sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~FOO/motutools/trunk will become sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~FOO/ubuntu-dev-tools/trunk
[10:29] <lifeless> dholbach: ready for that ?
[10:29] <mvo> yondie: if you have apt-transport-https installed, that should work, you need to set the https_proxy environ IIRC
[10:29] <StevenK> Does bzr able to easy change parent branches?
[10:30] <lifeless> StevenK: pull --remember 
[10:30] <StevenK> Hrm. That sentence is gramatically interesting.
[10:30] <lifeless> StevenK: and bind to change checkouts.
[10:30] <yondie> mvo: i`ve done dat, it works with aptitude and apt-get but not really in synaptic 
[10:30] <lifeless> well, bind for heavyweight checkouts
[10:31] <mvo> yondie: sounds like a bug then, could you please report it in LP? 
[10:31] <pitti> Mithrandir, doko: I have tzdata fixed and properly tested for bug 108995; ok to upload?
[10:31] <ubotu> Malone bug 108995 in tzdata "Asks configuration questions at priority high on upgrade" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/108995
[10:32] <StevenK> lifeless: Personally, as long as people were notified and told how to deal, I don't see it being much of a problem.
[10:32] <dholbach> lifeless: yes
[10:32] <lifeless> StevenK: sure, neither do i, but until dholbach is ready I'm not going to push the button :)
[10:32] <dholbach> StevenK: we're discussing it on the motu list atm, no?
[10:33] <StevenK> Right.
[10:33] <lifeless> dholbach: done.
[10:33] <dholbach> thanks
[10:40] <infinity> pitti: Please do.
[10:40] <StevenK> infinity!
[10:40] <StevenK> infinity: Where have you been hiding?
[10:40] <pitti> infinity: uploaded
[10:41] <infinity> StevenK: Broke all my fingers, couldn't IRC.
[10:41] <pitti> ugh, really?
[10:41] <infinity> No. :)
[10:42] <StevenK> Hah
[11:06] <siretart> mvo: how to enable unattended-upgrades on an ubuntu-server without X and gnome?
[11:07] <mvo> siretart: add 'APT::Periodic::Unattended-Upgrade "1";' to /etc/apt/apt.conf (to run it daily)
[11:07] <mvo> siretart: you can also make it mail you the logs 
[11:21] <siretart> mvo: how?
[11:23] <mvo> siretart: how to mail? it should be in the README of unattended-upgrades, its just an additional apt config var that needs to go to apt.conf 
[11:23] <siretart> mvo: at least the package in feisty does not ship any readme, that's why I'm asking
[11:24] <siretart> mvo: aah, there is one in the source package
[11:24] <mvo> siretart: a BUG! 
[11:24] <siretart> mvo: if gutsy was open, I'd already have it "NMU'ed" ;)
[11:26] <mvo> I guess I should talk to the sru team if its ok to do a sru upload for unattneded-upgrades to include the missing README (hello pitti :)
[11:26] <ssam> bug 84918
[11:26] <ubotu> Malone bug 84918 in unattended-upgrades "package should set up sensible config" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84918
[11:26] <pitti> mvo: hm?
[11:26] <pitti> mvo: oh, include a new file in /usr/share/doc/<package>? sounds innocent enough
[11:27] <mvo> pitti: cool, thanks. I prepare it now
[11:30] <doko> mdz, cjwatson, Mithrandir: planned the email to -announce when the packages are in the archive. this (late) afternoon
[11:31] <mdz> doko: thanks
[12:20] <`23meg> Hobbsee, the doc is finished, more or less
[12:21] <`23meg> it's on gobby, can you take a look?
[12:22] <Hobbsee> `23meg: great.  and that requires installing gobby :P
[12:22] <`23meg> oh
[12:23] <`23meg> shall i mail it if that's not convenient?
[12:23] <Hobbsee> whichever is fine
[12:23] <Hobbsee> gobby lags for me, but it hsouldnt matter if i'm not editing it in real time
[12:26] <Mithrandir> pitti: doesn't look urgent?
[12:26] <Hobbsee> THE LAG!  IT BURNS!!!!
[12:27] <Mithrandir> hiya Hobbsee
[12:27] <Hobbsee> hi Mithrandir!
[12:27] <pitti> Mithrandir: I thought the same, but Matthias said it would be better to fix it soon, otherwise every developer would see those questions
[12:28] <Mithrandir> pitti: people shouldn't upgrade to gutsy yet.
[12:28] <Mithrandir> pitti: but sure, feel free to upload and I'll make sure it gets in with the first round of builds.
[12:28] <pitti> Mithrandir: *shrug* I uploaded it to the queue after infinity's 'please do', but feel free to just leave it there
[12:29] <Mithrandir> pitti: I'll let it in once the current mess is solved.
[12:30] <pitti> thank you
[12:30] <pitti> Mithrandir: oh, it's still that messy?
[12:31] <Mithrandir> pitti: apparently something is broken right now; Adam told me about it, but I'm not sure exactly what it is.
[12:31] <StevenK> Hrm. I have two gutsy chroots, but I'm in no way attached to them.
[12:32] <StevenK> Your knee? :-P
[12:32] <Mithrandir> no, your knee.
[12:33] <Mithrandir> there, it's at least attached to you even though you don't feel attached to it.
[12:33] <StevenK> That isn't what you said. :-P
[12:33] <Mithrandir> no, but I gave an inaccurate description of what I did. :-P
[12:33] <ajmitch> english, 'tis a wonderful language
[12:34] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:10] <pitti> Riddell: bug 108969 approved, FYI
[01:10] <ubotu> Malone bug 108969 in update-manager "update-manager's KDE frontend directs bug reports to ubiquity" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/108969
[01:12] <mvo> pitti: I would like to upload some more fixes, its all pretty trivial but quite a few unfortunately
[01:13] <Riddell> was about to ask that
[01:13] <mvo> pitti: should I file a debdiff for each individually or for all of them?
[01:13] <pitti> mvo: please subscribe ubuntu-sru to the relevant bugs and add a codebrowse URL, that would be best for me
[01:14] <pitti> since it's easier to tell the patches apart and verify them
[01:15] <pitti> mvo: but NB that each -proposed upload resets the time to 7 days again, so maybe the less critical issues should be done after an -updates upload?
[01:16] <mvo> pitti: how loaded are you currently? the stuff is ready, it "just" needs review
[01:17] <pitti> mvo: go ahead, I'm in the middle of SRU review anyway ;)
[01:20] <carlos> lamont: ping
[01:21] <tepsipakki> has there been talk about if upgrades from dapper are supported not only to the next LTS but the one after it?
[01:22] <rsk> tepsipakki: nope
[01:23] <ajmitch> tepsipakki: that could be a long way to support an upgrade
[01:23] <StevenK> Oh yeah.
[01:23] <StevenK> Too long, IMHO
[01:23] <tepsipakki> ajmitch: that's what I thought too
[01:24] <ajmitch> a lot could change in 4 years :)
[01:24] <tepsipakki> means that I wasn't on crack a minute ago
[01:24] <ajmitch> well I don't know about that... :)
[01:24] <tepsipakki> sent an email to debian-x.. I'm committing the Replaces/Conflicts-stuff from our drivers to git.d.o
[01:24] <tepsipakki> ajmitch: hah
[01:26] <tepsipakki> I said that those can be dropped before Lenny is released, since 8.0x is likely the next LTS
[01:26] <ajmitch> lenny might release before then 
[01:26] <ajmitch> don't laugh..
[01:27] <tepsipakki> hum, it was scheduled for fall 2008?
[01:27] <StevenK> I don't like the name Lenny, but there you go.
[01:27] <ajmitch> tepsipakki: we'll see..
[01:27] <seb128> ajmitch: it's not likely
[01:28] <ajmitch> seb128: not very likely at all, no
[01:34] <mvo> pitti: https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/109584
[01:34] <ubotu> Malone bug 109584 in update-manager "sru request for update-manager " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[01:38] <pitti> mvo: I updated bug 109564 and bug 109290; those are the ones you cared about?
[01:38] <ubotu> Malone bug 109564 in unattended-upgrades "README missing" [Low,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109564
[01:38] <ubotu> Malone bug 109290 in update-manager "update-manager core should support proposed updates" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109290
[01:39] <pitti> mvo: ah, looking at that new bug now
[01:43] <pitti> mvo: I'll review that mega-diff after lunch
[01:43] <cjwatson> tepsipakki: only to the next LTS; there's discussion of how to achieve even that scheduled for UUDS
[01:43] <cjwatson> UDS
[01:43] <mvo> pitti: sure, sorry that its so big :(
[01:43] <tepsipakki> cjwatson: ok, thanks
[02:41] <lamont> carlos: ack
[02:41] <lamont> and about to walk out the door to take kids to school...
[02:41] <lamont> will be online in about an hour or so
[03:02] <lifeless> pitti: http://code.google.com/p/google-breakpad/
[03:02] <pitti> mvo: bug #109584 updated
[03:02] <ubotu> Malone bug 109584 in update-manager "sru request for update-manager " [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109584
[03:02] <pitti> hi lifeless 
[03:03] <lifeless> hiya
[03:04] <pitti> lifeless: right, this came up a while ago; I plan to look at it for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CrashReporting, it sounds promising
[03:04] <pitti> lifeless: although ISTR that Mozilla discussed this recently, I thought it was their invention
[03:04] <lifeless> ah
[03:04] <lifeless> it looks like its less magic than apport though
[03:05] <lifeless> not sure its really a win :(
[03:05] <pitti> lifeless: looks a lot like this 'airbag' project
[03:06] <pitti> lifeless: I looked at that, and it wasn't really usable for us; I hoped that this breakpad thingy would provide a crash database with a nice web UI
[03:06] <pitti> hm, but that doesn't seem to be the case from a quick glance
[03:07] <pitti> lifeless: I still didn't completely give up the hope of using Malone for this; maybe using a separate product, filing the bugs as private by default and remove core dump attachments automatically after retracing; something like that 
[03:11] <bddebian> Heya
[03:19] <Riddell> what would a derived distro change to default to nvidia driver instead of nv?
[03:35] <Amaranth> Riddell: Probably some hackery in the debconf stuff in xorg
[03:35] <Riddell> I feared as much
[03:36] <seb128> Amaranth: hi, there is some unconfirmed alacarte bugs, maybe you could have a look on them? ;)
[03:36] <Amaranth> seb128: Was just heading for bed :)
[03:36] <Amaranth> Will do it when I wake up
[03:36] <seb128> thank you
[03:36] <seb128> 'night!
[03:41] <carlos> lamont: hi, are you back?
[03:44] <lamont> carlos: just now
[03:44] <lamont> carlos: what's up?
[03:45] <carlos> lamont: I wonder whether you could reactivate translations .tar.gz mirroring on rookery, at least for openoffice.org
[03:45] <carlos> the ones generated on build time
[03:46] <lamont> carlos: looks like  I can, yes.
[03:46] <lamont> I had thought that was completely obsolete....
[03:46] <carlos> lamont: that will simplify a lot doko's life
[03:47] <carlos> lamont: well, Rosetta is not using it at all
[03:47] <carlos> lamont: but oo.org needs some info that Rosetta is not using at all
[03:47] <lamont> I see.
[03:47] <carlos> that require a lot of work to regenerate
[03:47] <lamont> turning it on for just oo.o is. um, pain.
[03:47] <lamont> turning it on for everyting will fill up rookery's disks again...
[03:47] <carlos> so it simplifies a lot oo.org translations updates
[03:48] <lamont> how about I turn it on, and remove everything over 7 days old each night?
[03:48] <carlos> lamont: what about removing everything except for last month?
[03:48] <carlos> lamont: ;-)
[03:48] <carlos> lamont: ok 7 days would work, if you could leave oo.org ones for a month
[03:48] <lamont> I'll start with March 15 or so?
[03:49] <carlos> well, you could start with a fresh tree
[03:49] <lamont> and is  i386 sufficient, or do i need to fetch more?
[03:49] <carlos> i386 is enough
[03:52] <lamont> carlos: lit up and fetching
[03:52] <carlos> lamont: cool, thank you!
[03:53] <carlos> doko: ^^^
[04:15] <siretart> cjwatson: hi. I'm trying to preseed the feisty netboot image, and I wonder if there is a list of preseedable variables. I remember there was an appendix in the debian-installer manual, but I cannot find it for feisty
[04:17] <mvo> pitti: thanks for your review #109584, I updated the debdiff
[04:17] <pitti> mvo: and I just updated the bug :)
[04:19] <mvo> pitti: woah, you are fast
[04:20] <mvo> pitti: thanks!
[04:22] <lamont> carlos: I assume you want at least one set of oo.o translations there, yes?
[04:22] <carlos> lamont: latest one is enough (per distrorelease)
[04:23] <lamont> yeah. hrm.
[04:23] <lamont> I can provide doko with that file directly, I believe
[04:25] <lamont> doko: poke me when you want them, and I'll tell you where to root around from chinstrap to fetch them
[04:37] <doko> lamont: thanks
[04:39] <cjwatson> mdke: are you due to update help.ubuntu.com for feisty, or is that somebody else?
[04:39] <cjwatson> siretart: ^--
[04:40] <cjwatson> siretart: the installation guide on help.ubuntu.com for edgy should be good enough in most cases; the only particularly relevant change I know of is that you now have to preseed 'd-i partman-auto/method string regular' if you're preseeding partman-auto/disk
[04:41] <siretart> cjwatson: ok. thanks!
[05:37] <ion_> keybuk: Btw, is it already safe to upgrade an edgy box with md+lvm to feisty? :-)
[05:38] <Keybuk> see if it works
[05:40] <ion_> Perhaps i should replicate the configuration in a virtual machine to test it or something. The box in question shouldnt have any more downtime than absolutely necessary.
[05:55] <siretart> ion_: the past problems have (almost always) been races. so reproducing it in some virtual environment is not a good test to see if it works
[05:55] <siretart> ion_: better just try upgrading, and if it fails, restore your backup
[06:44] <keescook> siretart: rdesktop> sure, no problem; thank you for finding the fix for it!  :)
[06:53] <pitti> hey keescook 
[06:54] <keescook> hiya pitti
[07:04] <elkbuntu> *clears her throat* there's an anxious mob awaiting a certain benevolent dictator in -classroom :)
[07:05] <pochu> sabdfl: 
[07:05] <pochu> oups :)
[07:06] <pochu> btw, nice session dholbach :)
[07:06] <sabdfl> ???
[07:06] <mc44> sabdfl: open week... :)
[07:06] <dholbach> pochu: thanks a lot
[07:06] <pochu> sabdfl: it's your time in #ubuntu-classroom ;)
[07:07] <pochu> dholbach: /me likes more and more the motu community :)
[07:07] <dholbach> pochu: that's really great - hope to have you in the team soon
[07:08] <pochu> I'm in my way... but a lot to learn yet!
[07:10] <dholbach> pochu: I'm sure you'll do nicely :)
[07:13] <psusi> imbrandon: ping
[08:03] <real_ate> hey, i'm doing the rounds at the moment trying to find some help in identifing a hardware bug, anyone here know much about wireless?
[08:23] <iwj> In Python, how would I parse the output from find -print0 ?
[08:26] <jcol3> can i just stop the dbus service altogether and my apps still work?
[08:26] <jcol3> /ncik jcole
[08:26] <iwj> jcol3: Not IME.
[08:26] <iwj> But I am no expert.
[08:27] <^jcole> dbus seems flaky in feisty
[08:27] <^jcole> on my desktops and my laptop
[08:28] <^jcole> i see bugs submitted against dbus/gaim/evolution/etc. related to dbus and would like to remove dbus altogether
[08:30] <shawarma> ^jcole: Some things use dbus to work.
[08:30] <shawarma> ^jcole: Popular examples include hal.
[08:30] <shawarma> ^jcole: And hence network-manager.
[08:30] <^jcole> shawarma: was it this way in edgy?
[08:30] <shawarma> ^jcole: Yes.
[08:31] <^jcole> shawarma: something must have changed in dbus between edgy and feisty
[08:31] <shawarma> ^jcole: of course.
[08:31] <shawarma> ^jcole: Something changed in almost every package. :-)
[08:32] <^jcole> shawarma: i get grayed out windows that are not responsive... killing them and restarting them gets really annoying
[08:33] <^jcole> shawarma: i'm in gaim right now, which will most definitely freeze later on today, and it appears to also use dbus
[08:33] <shawarma> ^jcole: I haven't seen that before.
[08:34] <^jcole> shawarma: network-manager also gives me problems, which uses dbus... also evolution, which i think also uses dbus
[08:35] <^jcole> i'm really not sure what is going on or how to debug a hung application
[08:35] <^jcole> i've reverted my laptop back to edgy so i can have my stability back
[08:35] <shawarma> I'm sorry, I've got to run out. Maybe someone else can help. You can perhaps try in #ubuntu-bugs
[08:36] <shawarma> I'll be back in about half an hour.
[08:45] <psusi> anyone know what timezone imbrandon lives in?
[08:46] <psusi> i.e. when I could expect him to be on?
[09:02] <shawarma> psusi: He's in the US somewhere.
[09:05] <mvo_> iwj: if you are still interessted in the python find output parsing, let me know
[09:08] <sladen> psusi: https://launchpad.net/~imbrandon/ | grep Timezone
[09:19] <Clem92> /exit
[09:20] <Clem92> /leave
[09:21] <jcole_eat> Clem92: /quit
[09:23] <jcole_eat> has mozilla disappeared entirely from the repos?
[09:24] <jcole_eat> why isn't this in the repos?? http://www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/
[09:25] <geser> jcole_eat: yes, the old mozilla suite was removed
[09:26] <jcole_eat> geser: why? and why wasn't it "replaced" with the new suite?
[09:27] <geser> it was the pre-"seamonkey" version which is abandoned and unmaintained upstream
[09:27] <geser> and for seamonkey I don't know the reason anymore why it wasn't synced from Debian
[09:28] <jcole_eat> geser: maybe it has to do with the whole firefox logo copyright drama
[09:29] <jcole_eat> or maybe it's called something else in the repos
[09:29] <geser> as Ubuntu can use the trademark (see firefox and thunderbird) it's not the reason
[09:31] <geser> nowbody moved forward to sync it from Debian (and rename it back to seamonkey)
[09:32] <jcole_eat> it's called iceape
[09:32] <jcole_eat> in debian
[09:32] <geser> I know
[09:32] <geser> perhaps nobody seen a benefit to have it in universe
[09:34] <jcole_eat> geser: i want the only wysiwyg html editor in debian/ubuntu, *composer*
[09:34] <jcole_eat> (open office puts a mess of crap in the html)
[09:35] <jcole_eat> it's probably easiest to pin and add the debian repos
[09:35] <shawarma> nvu has worked for me before.
[09:35] <geser> nvu was removed from feisty
[09:35] <jcole_eat> shawarma: ya, i like nvu, but it is now gone from ubuntu
[09:37] <shawarma> Ah, right.
[09:38] <cjwatson> it's gone from feisty, not from Ubuntu; should be possible to continue using the package in edgy
[09:39] <giskard> nvu is buggy and unmaintained i suggest you to take a look on Kompozer..a "fork" of nvu
[09:40] <jcole_eat> coolness, got "iceape" composer installed from debian :)
[09:41] <jcole_eat> ah, good ol' mozilla too :)
[09:46] <geser> cjwatson: is it possible to remove a released (and broken) package from the archive?
[09:48] <\sh> geser, why not fixing it?
[09:49] <geser> \sh: it's for bug #81996
[09:49] <ubotu> Malone bug 81996 in f-prot-installer "f-prot.com closed the FTP site" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81996
[09:50] <geser> it tries to download a file which isn't there anymore. f-prot provides now also a deb for download
[09:50] <\sh> geser, what about removing the content and creating an "empty" package with a debconf alert message?
[09:51] <Treenaks> whoo.. dapper installing inside kvm on feisty :)
[09:52] <geser> that would be only a help for those who have it already installed to let them know how to "update" the package
[09:53] <\sh> geser, also telling people that this package is obsolete and will disappear in the future (not for current release but for the next)
[09:54] <Treenaks> \sh: that should be package description, not debconf notice
[09:55] <shawarma> t 
[09:55] <shawarma> whoops
[09:55] <\sh> Treenaks, no...just as a very special reminder...nobody reads apt-cache show ;)
[09:55] <shawarma> It *could* also be changed to fetch the new .deb and install it.
[09:55] <geser> I think you can't run dpkg from dpkg
[09:55] <cjwatson> you cannot
[09:55] <shawarma> No, I just thought of that too
[09:56] <cjwatson> geser: not without sounding massive alarm klaxons
[09:56] <cjwatson> very much prefer not to
[09:56] <cjwatson> (if it's in a released suite like feisty)
[09:56] <shawarma> It could fetch it and tell the user to install it like it's done with libdvdcss.
[09:56] <shawarma> Or is it still done that way?
[09:56] <shawarma> I forget.
[10:00] <geser> cjwatson: any preferred idea how to fix it? (if it should be fixed)
[10:09] <cjwatson> geser: a kludge comes to mind in which the installer package downloads the .deb and extracts files from it as if it were the tarball previously provided
[10:11] <geser> would such a massive change be suitable for a SRU?
[10:12] <mjg59> cjwatson: Any idea where keybuk and mdz might be? I was under the impression we had a tech board meeting now...
[10:16] <cjwatson> mjg59: um, dunno, I can try phoning
[10:17] <mjg59> cjwatson: I'm not in the UK right now, so if you could that would be great :)
[10:18] <cjwatson> hmm
[10:18] <cjwatson> mdz is at dinner with sabdfl and doesn't think he'll make it; no answer from Scott's phone
[10:18] <mjg59> Ok
[10:19] <cjwatson> sorry :-/
[11:01] <bogdanb> Hi! I've just finished the first draft of a proposed spec, please take a look at it and leave a comment on the wiki if you're interested. It's about the automatically and centrally gathering the data that is currently used by the System Monitor's resource usage graphs, the Power Manager, and similar tools. You can find it at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/unified-system-monitoring
[11:13] <mdke> cjwatson: yes
[11:14] <mdke> cjwatson: got a bit of work to do on it, should have it ready in about a week I guess. We really need to rethink the way we do online help for the next release cycle
[11:43] <Solarion> so, when is the alpha of the next release coming out?
[11:43] <Solarion> if it does xrandr1.2, I'm going to it now.  :)
[11:43] <mc44> !gutsy
[11:43] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule Support in #ubuntu+1
[11:44] <Solarion> mc44: ah, danke
[11:44] <Solarion> looks like I won't have it in time for my comps presentation.  :(
[11:52] <psusi> imbrandon: ping
[11:52] <imbrandon> psusi, give me a few i'm giving a IRC talk then i'll get with yoiu
[11:52] <imbrandon> you*
[11:53] <psusi> kk
[11:53] <ajmitch> psusi: imbrandon is off being famous
[11:54] <ajmitch> psusi: was this the access to compile machines?
[11:54] <psusi> lifestyles of the rich and famous
[11:54] <psusi> ajmitch: yea
[11:54] <ajmitch> the only other ones setup right now are sparc & ppc
[12:02] <psusi> ok
[12:07] <psusi> more likely than not, if I get it compiling on those two, it will also work on ia64
[12:07] <psusi> frankly, I'm still surprised it doesn't build on ia64 seeing as how it works on amd64
[12:08] <imbrandon> psusi, what can i do for ya
[12:08] <psusi> imbrandon: I was told to ping you for access to some build machines of other architectures.... the defrag package only builds on i386 and amd64 since those are the two I have access to and I'm tired of getting email when it fails to build on the others ;)
[12:09] <imbrandon> psusi, are you a MOTU currently ( or core-dev )
[12:09] <psusi> no
[12:10] <psusi> though apparently I'm now on the new dmdraid team on launchpad... heh...
[12:10] <imbrandon> hrm i have it restricted to only MOTU for security and to keep the accounts down, but I'm sure some motu would be happy to help you with specific bugs on those arches
[12:11] <psusi> ok... maybe I'll just finally get off my ass and become a motu already...
[12:11] <imbrandon> :)
[12:11] <psusi> time to refresh my memory on what I have to do...