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| TheMuso | Hey MOTUs. | 12:45 |
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| ajmitch | hi TheMuso | 12:45 |
| Lutin | hi TheMuso | 12:46 |
| TheMuso | Hey Lutin. | 12:46 |
| Lutin | TheMuso: back online eventually ? :) | 12:46 |
| TheMuso | Lutin: Indeed. | 12:47 |
| sharms | what do you guys think: http://www.sharms.org/blog/?p=95 | 12:49 |
| sharms | I promise, nothing about enhancedbash there | 12:49 |
| ajmitch | you have to find a couple of 'very experienced MOTUs' | 12:50 |
| sharms | right, I think we have that covered | 12:50 |
| ajmitch | how often do you propose these sessions be run? | 12:50 |
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| sharms | once a week, then I assume the novices will gain experience and the project will lose momentum and die, hopefully giving us ~5 new people who can help | 12:51 |
| ajmitch | it may work, if time isn't wasted on lots of simple questions | 12:51 |
| ajmitch | ie, people must expect to do some research beforehand | 12:51 |
| ajmitch | 5-10 packages in an hour is optimistic | 12:51 |
| sharms | I am just talking about things like .desktop fixes etc | 12:52 |
| pochu | hi TheMuso | 12:52 |
| sharms | and that you would have 5-10 people working on each package individually | 12:52 |
| Demon012 | sharms: just at a glance are you proposing MOTU Classes? | 12:52 |
| TheMuso | Hey pochu | 12:52 |
| ajmitch | whoever is leading the session will need to keep track of who is doing what & where they're at | 12:52 |
| sharms | A little different because it is agenda driven as in getting packages actually fixed | 12:52 |
| Simon80 | sharms: it's* ad sponsored drinking... I'm a grammar whore | 12:52 |
| sharms | yeah i added that in last week when I was on digg, hastily | 12:52 |
| ajmitch | even .desktop fixes can take a bit of time for someone who's new, and needs some explanation | 12:53 |
| sharms | I think slomo was able to explain it to me in under an hour | 12:53 |
| sharms | provided they read any docs before hand I think it can be done | 12:53 |
| ajmitch | sharms: and you propose that someone explain this & hold the hands of 5-10 people within an hour | 12:54 |
| ajmitch | each package being different | 12:54 |
| pochu | slomo: I've packaged liferea 1.2.12, so if you haven't done it yet, feel free to upload it :) | 12:54 |
| pochu | slomo: http://emilio.pozuelo.org/deb/ | 12:54 |
| ajmitch | an hour is really quite short :) | 12:54 |
| sharms | well I am hoping that most of the time the people are trying really hard to make it happen, so that they wont all just be on IRC the whole time | 12:54 |
| sharms | so the motu experts time may be taken up, but by different people as they run into different issues | 12:55 |
| ajmitch | people will need to know the basics of building a source package, a binary package, testing, creating .desktop files, etc | 12:55 |
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| sharms | yeah I just know people learn quicker by doing if they are like me, just a way to get feet wet etc | 12:56 |
| sharms | hopefully they have already attended the open week sessions etc, maybe read some transcripts of prior motu-school sessions | 12:56 |
| sharms | but just have trouble piecing it all together | 12:56 |
| === ajmitch thinks that you could easily have more than 5-10 people showing up & asking questions, too | ||
| sharms | its a risk, but hopefully the next week, they dont ask those same questions | 12:57 |
| ajmitch | how long do you think this could be sustained? | 12:58 |
| sharms | well I am a realist a times, and I fully expect for the idea to lose momentum after a month and a half or so | 12:59 |
| ajmitch | motu school had a lot of enthusiasm as well | 12:59 |
| sharms | and that would only take 6 hours of total expert MOTU time | 12:59 |
| ajmitch | but not many people willing to commit to a time & teach | 12:59 |
| sharms | thats why I buy them beer | 01:00 |
| ajmitch | well that's fine, I hardly fit into the appropriate category :) | 01:00 |
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| sharms | I just know what I would like to see, for myself, and think that there are a lot of untapped resources of people who are just overwhelmed | 01:01 |
| sharms | if the people in #ubuntu can sit on IRC for 6 hours a day and not contribute, and we can turn a few into contributors, that could be a lot of potential improvements | 01:01 |
| === ajmitch can sit in #ubuntu-motu 6+ hours a day & not contribute | ||
| pochu | have a nice day! | 01:05 |
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| LaserJock | sharms: I think your proposal can be basically summed up as "get MOTU School going and do interesting sessions" | 01:06 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock!!!!1 | 01:07 |
| ajmitch | hi | 01:07 |
| LaserJock | hola andrew | 01:07 |
| KalleDK | Hey LaserJock nice session | 01:07 |
| LaserJock | thanks | 01:07 |
| sharms | yeah but I am really looking for work-based sessions | 01:07 |
| sharms | where as they get real experience | 01:07 |
| LaserJock | yep | 01:08 |
| LaserJock | I agree | 01:08 |
| LaserJock | we need a mixture of "Packaging 101" sessions for overview | 01:08 |
| LaserJock | and working sessions | 01:08 |
| LaserJock | where we really get something useful done | 01:08 |
| ajmitch | sharms: recruit expert MOTUs like laserjock | 01:08 |
| sharms | thats kind of one of the people I had in mind :) | 01:08 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I was thinking of real experts ;-) | 01:09 |
| sharms | anyone who is a potential mentor should be qualified enough | 01:09 |
| ajmitch | that's me out | 01:10 |
| sharms | basically anyone other than nixternal | 01:10 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 01:10 |
| LaserJock | he's a shady fellow ;-) | 01:10 |
| sharms | ha | 01:10 |
| LaserJock | he threatened to ice me last night | 01:10 |
| LaserJock | or have his gumbahs doe it | 01:10 |
| LaserJock | *do | 01:10 |
| ajmitch | hah | 01:10 |
| ajmitch | I'm sure he's harmless | 01:11 |
| sharms | I have played Rich (nixternal) in that TC-Elite combat game, he has no aim | 01:11 |
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| KalleDK | Hey LaserJock... I would like to try to make some packing... As I can see hellanzb is v0.10 but on their main its 0.13.. where would i start to get this updated :) | 01:20 |
| TheMuso | KalleDK: Does Debian have the newer version yet? | 01:21 |
| KalleDK | Dunno | 01:21 |
| TheMuso | Wouldn't hurt to check. | 01:21 |
| KalleDK | Where :) | 01:21 |
| TheMuso | packages.debian.org for a start | 01:22 |
| KalleDK | Nope their at 0.10 also | 01:22 |
| TheMuso | Ok. I would check bugs for that package at bugs.debian.org to see whether someone has requested a new version. | 01:23 |
| KalleDK | I get something there | 01:23 |
| KalleDK | #418580: New version available | 01:24 |
| KalleDK | Package: hellanzb (0.12; fixed: hellanzb 0.13-1); Reported by: Maik Zumstrull <Maik.Zumstrull@gmx.de> | 01:24 |
| KalleDK | Done: Adam Ccile (Le_Vert) <gandalf@le-vert.net>; Will be archived in 16 days. | 01:24 |
| TheMuso | debian bug 418580 | 01:25 |
| ubotu | Debian bug 418580 in hellanzb "New version available" [Normal,Closed] http://bugs.debian.org/418580 | 01:25 |
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| TheMuso | KalleDK: There is a chance that packages.debian.org is out of date. By the looks of that report, its already in Debian, which means that it will be updated in the gutsy cycle. | 01:26 |
| KalleDK | Which means I shouldn't touch it | 01:27 |
| TheMuso | there is no need to, no. | 01:27 |
| TheMuso | I'll check for sure when I have access to my sid chroot again. | 01:27 |
| KalleDK | Hm dammit :P | 01:27 |
| Fujitsu | packages.qa.debian.org is your friend. | 01:28 |
| ajmitch | hellanzb | 0.13-1 | http://apt-proxy sid/main Sources | 01:28 |
| ajmitch | or apt-cache madison | 01:28 |
| Fujitsu | That works too. | 01:28 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: show off ;-) | 01:32 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: hm? | 01:32 |
| LaserJock | your fancy madison usage | 01:33 |
| ajmitch | hah | 01:34 |
| KalleDK | Well can you find a tiny winy small thing I can package so I can test/learn/evolve??? | 01:34 |
| ajmitch | you mean something that's been built into apt for ages? | 01:34 |
| KalleDK | Dont know.. just want to learn howto :) | 01:35 |
| Demon012 | KalleDK: | 01:35 |
| Demon012 | http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-debhelper.html | 01:35 |
| Demon012 | that seems to be the easiest one I have found to start off with so far | 01:35 |
| Demon012 | this one is also useful > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/PackagingBasics | 01:36 |
| KalleDK | Thx Demon012 | 01:36 |
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| Demon012 | actually look at the first bit of the 2nd one first so you know what to install to start off with | 01:37 |
| Demon012 | then go back and do the first 1 | 01:37 |
| shawarma | Good thing I've got that nipple thing on my thinkpad. It makes for a soft landing. | 01:37 |
| enyc | shawarma: hrrm wonder if your keyboard makes asdfghjkl ar aoeuidhtns as your nose pressess buttons in a line ;-) | 01:37 |
| KalleDK | shawarma... Got a tutorial CHECK - Got Alex Gaudino feat Crystal Waters Destination Calabria CHECK - Got 10 RedBull CHECK | 01:38 |
| shawarma | enyc: No, the nipple prevents that too. It has many uses. | 01:38 |
| Demon012 | heh that's what they term as qwerty'ing | 01:38 |
| enyc | Demon012: bit I dont have qwerty... | 01:38 |
| shawarma | I'm off for tonigt. Goodnight, guys! | 01:38 |
| shawarma | tonight, even. | 01:38 |
| enyc | Demon012: but I am in bed and have a clickykeyboard next to pillow ;-) | 01:38 |
| Demon012 | heh azerty? =) | 01:38 |
| enyc | Demon012: no ;-) ',.pyfgcrl/= aoeuidhtns-\ qjkxbmwvz | 01:39 |
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| Demon012 | lol kk | 01:39 |
| shawarma | abcde ftw! | 01:39 |
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| shawarma | I have a keyboard where the keys are in alphabetical order. Good fun. | 01:39 |
| enyc | but I can deal with qwertyuiop asdfghjkl zxcvbnm too | 01:39 |
| shawarma | Fun fact: The X is still in the same place. | 01:40 |
| shawarma | go figure. | 01:40 |
| enyc | hrrm my A and M are in qwerty places | 01:40 |
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| LaserJock | darn it, I need to find a Sun keyboard | 01:44 |
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| KalleDK | Got a G11 keyboard :P | 01:45 |
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| Fujitsu | LaserJock: Why'd you get a SPARC? | 01:48 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: cause it was free | 01:48 |
| LaserJock | I just need a keyboard so I can get it set u p | 01:49 |
| LaserJock | *up | 01:49 |
| jdong | Tasks for the Sun owner..... (1) Use xmodmap to swap ctrl and capslock..... | 01:50 |
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| LaserJock | hmm, well I can get one on ebay for ~ $20 | 01:55 |
| sharms | LaserJock: I am out of town til friday, but I might have one in my storage facility | 02:01 |
| sharms | I think I definitely have a sparc video out -> crt thing | 02:02 |
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| LaserJock | sharms: I'm not sure I need one | 02:06 |
| LaserJock | sharms: I *think* it's got a regular VGA output | 02:06 |
| sharms | ah I had the little lunchbox size sparcs | 02:06 |
| LaserJock | in addittion to the sparc video out | 02:06 |
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