=== superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kkubasik [n=Kevin@kjk38-laptop.student.cwru.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === esaym [n=user@cpe-72-183-202-162.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === luigi1015 [n=luigi101@c-75-66-163-101.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C1A48C.access.telenet.be] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === RedKrieg [n=RedKrieg@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:45] Hey MOTUs. [12:45] hi TheMuso [12:46] hi TheMuso [12:46] Hey Lutin. [12:46] TheMuso: back online eventually ? :) [12:47] Lutin: Indeed. [12:49] what do you guys think: http://www.sharms.org/blog/?p=95 [12:49] I promise, nothing about enhancedbash there [12:50] you have to find a couple of 'very experienced MOTUs' [12:50] right, I think we have that covered [12:50] how often do you propose these sessions be run? === stratus [n=stratus@201.53.55.52] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:51] once a week, then I assume the novices will gain experience and the project will lose momentum and die, hopefully giving us ~5 new people who can help [12:51] it may work, if time isn't wasted on lots of simple questions [12:51] ie, people must expect to do some research beforehand [12:51] 5-10 packages in an hour is optimistic [12:52] I am just talking about things like .desktop fixes etc [12:52] hi TheMuso [12:52] and that you would have 5-10 people working on each package individually [12:52] sharms: just at a glance are you proposing MOTU Classes? [12:52] Hey pochu [12:52] whoever is leading the session will need to keep track of who is doing what & where they're at [12:52] A little different because it is agenda driven as in getting packages actually fixed [12:52] sharms: it's* ad sponsored drinking... I'm a grammar whore [12:52] yeah i added that in last week when I was on digg, hastily [12:53] even .desktop fixes can take a bit of time for someone who's new, and needs some explanation [12:53] I think slomo was able to explain it to me in under an hour [12:53] provided they read any docs before hand I think it can be done [12:54] sharms: and you propose that someone explain this & hold the hands of 5-10 people within an hour [12:54] each package being different [12:54] slomo: I've packaged liferea 1.2.12, so if you haven't done it yet, feel free to upload it :) [12:54] slomo: http://emilio.pozuelo.org/deb/ [12:54] an hour is really quite short :) [12:54] well I am hoping that most of the time the people are trying really hard to make it happen, so that they wont all just be on IRC the whole time [12:55] so the motu experts time may be taken up, but by different people as they run into different issues [12:55] people will need to know the basics of building a source package, a binary package, testing, creating .desktop files, etc === stratus [n=stratus@201.53.55.52] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:56] yeah I just know people learn quicker by doing if they are like me, just a way to get feet wet etc [12:56] hopefully they have already attended the open week sessions etc, maybe read some transcripts of prior motu-school sessions [12:56] but just have trouble piecing it all together === ajmitch thinks that you could easily have more than 5-10 people showing up & asking questions, too [12:57] its a risk, but hopefully the next week, they dont ask those same questions [12:58] how long do you think this could be sustained? [12:59] well I am a realist a times, and I fully expect for the idea to lose momentum after a month and a half or so [12:59] motu school had a lot of enthusiasm as well [12:59] and that would only take 6 hours of total expert MOTU time [12:59] but not many people willing to commit to a time & teach [01:00] thats why I buy them beer [01:00] well that's fine, I hardly fit into the appropriate category :) === RedKrieg [n=RedKrieg@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:01] I just know what I would like to see, for myself, and think that there are a lot of untapped resources of people who are just overwhelmed [01:01] if the people in #ubuntu can sit on IRC for 6 hours a day and not contribute, and we can turn a few into contributors, that could be a lot of potential improvements === ajmitch can sit in #ubuntu-motu 6+ hours a day & not contribute [01:05] have a nice day! === xq [n=xarquid@adsl-4-138-254.gsp.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:06] sharms: I think your proposal can be basically summed up as "get MOTU School going and do interesting sessions" [01:07] LaserJock!!!!1 [01:07] hi [01:07] hola andrew [01:07] Hey LaserJock nice session [01:07] thanks [01:07] yeah but I am really looking for work-based sessions [01:07] where as they get real experience [01:08] yep [01:08] I agree [01:08] we need a mixture of "Packaging 101" sessions for overview [01:08] and working sessions [01:08] where we really get something useful done [01:08] sharms: recruit expert MOTUs like laserjock [01:08] thats kind of one of the people I had in mind :) [01:09] hmm, I was thinking of real experts ;-) [01:09] anyone who is a potential mentor should be qualified enough [01:10] that's me out [01:10] basically anyone other than nixternal [01:10] yeah [01:10] he's a shady fellow ;-) [01:10] ha [01:10] he threatened to ice me last night [01:10] or have his gumbahs doe it [01:10] *do [01:10] hah [01:11] I'm sure he's harmless [01:11] I have played Rich (nixternal) in that TC-Elite combat game, he has no aim === jml [n=jml@ppp108-61.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:20] Hey LaserJock... I would like to try to make some packing... As I can see hellanzb is v0.10 but on their main its 0.13.. where would i start to get this updated :) [01:21] KalleDK: Does Debian have the newer version yet? [01:21] Dunno [01:21] Wouldn't hurt to check. [01:21] Where :) [01:22] packages.debian.org for a start [01:22] Nope their at 0.10 also [01:23] Ok. I would check bugs for that package at bugs.debian.org to see whether someone has requested a new version. [01:23] I get something there [01:24] #418580: New version available [01:24] Package: hellanzb (0.12; fixed: hellanzb 0.13-1); Reported by: Maik Zumstrull [01:24] Done: Adam Ccile (Le_Vert) ; Will be archived in 16 days. [01:25] debian bug 418580 [01:25] Debian bug 418580 in hellanzb "New version available" [Normal,Closed] http://bugs.debian.org/418580 === LaserJock discovers the joys of a newsreader === KalleDK have a ubuntu server with HellaNZB + Samba + ZussaWEB [01:26] KalleDK: There is a chance that packages.debian.org is out of date. By the looks of that report, its already in Debian, which means that it will be updated in the gutsy cycle. [01:27] Which means I shouldn't touch it [01:27] there is no need to, no. [01:27] I'll check for sure when I have access to my sid chroot again. [01:27] Hm dammit :P [01:28] packages.qa.debian.org is your friend. [01:28] hellanzb | 0.13-1 | http://apt-proxy sid/main Sources [01:28] or apt-cache madison [01:28] That works too. [01:32] ajmitch: show off ;-) [01:32] LaserJock: hm? [01:33] your fancy madison usage [01:34] hah [01:34] Well can you find a tiny winy small thing I can package so I can test/learn/evolve??? [01:34] you mean something that's been built into apt for ages? [01:35] Dont know.. just want to learn howto :) [01:35] KalleDK: [01:35] http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-debhelper.html [01:35] that seems to be the easiest one I have found to start off with so far [01:36] this one is also useful > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/PackagingBasics [01:36] Thx Demon012 === shawarma falls asleep over the keyboard [01:37] actually look at the first bit of the 2nd one first so you know what to install to start off with [01:37] then go back and do the first 1 [01:37] Good thing I've got that nipple thing on my thinkpad. It makes for a soft landing. [01:37] shawarma: hrrm wonder if your keyboard makes asdfghjkl ar aoeuidhtns as your nose pressess buttons in a line ;-) [01:38] shawarma... Got a tutorial CHECK - Got Alex Gaudino feat Crystal Waters Destination Calabria CHECK - Got 10 RedBull CHECK [01:38] enyc: No, the nipple prevents that too. It has many uses. [01:38] heh that's what they term as qwerty'ing [01:38] Demon012: bit I dont have qwerty... [01:38] I'm off for tonigt. Goodnight, guys! [01:38] tonight, even. [01:38] Demon012: but I am in bed and have a clickykeyboard next to pillow ;-) [01:38] heh azerty? =) [01:39] Demon012: no ;-) ',.pyfgcrl/= aoeuidhtns-\ qjkxbmwvz === defendguin [n=supertux@cpe-72-181-7-135.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:39] lol kk [01:39] abcde ftw! === Demon012 better goto bed soon else he will be qwerty'ing [01:39] I have a keyboard where the keys are in alphabetical order. Good fun. [01:39] but I can deal with qwertyuiop asdfghjkl zxcvbnm too [01:40] Fun fact: The X is still in the same place. [01:40] go figure. [01:40] hrrm my A and M are in qwerty places === shawarma wanders off [01:44] darn it, I need to find a Sun keyboard === rrittenhouse [n=tad@unaffiliated/rrittenhouse] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:45] Got a G11 keyboard :P === tmarble [n=tmarble@user-38q4et6.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:48] LaserJock: Why'd you get a SPARC? [01:48] Fujitsu: cause it was free [01:49] I just need a keyboard so I can get it set u p [01:49] *up [01:50] Tasks for the Sun owner..... (1) Use xmodmap to swap ctrl and capslock..... === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@123.200.139.206] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:55] hmm, well I can get one on ebay for ~ $20 [02:01] LaserJock: I am out of town til friday, but I might have one in my storage facility [02:02] I think I definitely have a sparc video out -> crt thing === Cillian_ [n=Cillian@host86-132-139-25.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:06] sharms: I'm not sure I need one [02:06] sharms: I *think* it's got a regular VGA output [02:06] ah I had the little lunchbox size sparcs [02:06] in addittion to the sparc video out