[12:27] <BFTD> Tu_Neteru that computer is old, but cool
[12:28] <BFTD> Tu_Neteru just upgrade the power supply and graphics card
[12:28] <Tu_Neteru> THanks.
[12:28] <Tu_Neteru> I actually have a geforce2 MX400 somewhere.
[12:28] <BFTD> nice
[12:28] <BFTD> I have that same card in one of my old systems
[12:29] <SkullCrusher> h3sp4wn: Is fluxbuntu a command line interface? cause im setting this computer up for a computer newbie
[12:29] <h3sp4wn> SkullCrusher: Never used a computer before ?
[12:29] <Tu_Neteru> I'm really just trying to set this up as a little media server.
[12:29] <BFTD> SkullCrusher no
[12:30] <Merchelo> i'd use xfce before fluxbox for a computer newbie SkullCrusher
[12:30] <BFTD> yeah I have a File server that has 4 40 GB SCSI HDDs
[12:30] <SkullCrusher> h3sp4wn: yes im building a computer for a friend thats a newbie
[12:30] <h3sp4wn> SkullCrusher: If so they are a in a better position than people who have used windows to learn to use it right
[12:30] <Tu_Neteru> Actually, my cyberhome just croaked, so it might end up as a web/dvd player.
[12:30] <SkullCrusher> h3sp4wn: no im building a computer for a friend thats a newbie
[12:30] <h3sp4wn> SkullCrusher: exactly if they know nothing start with cli
[12:31] <SkullCrusher> Merchelo: ok
[12:31] <BFTD> 6 months from now, I'm not gonna upgrade to gibbon(?)
[12:31] <BFTD> !gibbon
[12:31] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule Support in #ubuntu+1
[12:32] <BFTD> Gutsy
[12:32] <h3sp4wn> SkullCrusher: fluxbox would be fine (more so if they have never used anything else)
[12:33] <Merchelo> i wonder what the next one after Gutsy will be? Hammerd Human ?
[12:33] <Tu_Neteru> Hammered hamster.
[12:34] <h3sp4wn> I think they will miss out h
[12:34] <Merchelo> after hoary ?
[12:34] <h3sp4wn> they already had hoary hedgehog
 SkullCrusher: exactly if they know nothing start with cli
[12:34] <SkullCrusher> cli?
[12:35] <Tu_Neteru> Intelligent Iguana
[12:35] <Merchelo> command line interface
[12:35] <SkullCrusher> oh
[12:35] <h3sp4wn> Its a unique position (and better for them in the long run)
[12:36] <SkullCrusher> do i install just install fluxbuntu desktop after a xubuntu install?
[12:36] <h3sp4wn> I think they have a repo
[12:36] <Tu_Neteru> I think the hardest part for me figuring my way around the file system.
[12:37] <Tu_Neteru> I'm so used to devices being a seperate thing.
[12:37] <h3sp4wn> slocate or find - http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html
[12:38] <Tu_Neteru> Even back on my Amiga I had HD0, HD1, FD0....
[12:38] <h3sp4wn> plan9 takes the everything is a file thing to another level
[12:39] <Tu_Neteru> But under linux is seems that device is a file located in the DEV folder.  8-o
[12:39] <h3sp4wn> everything is a file
[12:39] <Tu_Neteru> yeah.
[12:40] <h3sp4wn> but there are some exceptions
[12:40] <h3sp4wn> network cards
[12:40] <h3sp4wn> there is no /dev/eth0
[12:40] <pokieo> hello
[12:41] <pokieo> has anyone had the problem with thier computer jsut stalling before the login screen?
[12:41] <Tu_Neteru> What version?
[12:41] <pokieo> 7.04
[12:41] <Tu_Neteru> What kind of system?
[12:42] <pokieo> Pnansonic Tough book. 1.09 ghz
[12:42] <pokieo> 500mb ram
[12:42] <BFTD> !info fluxubutu
[12:42] <ubotu> Package fluxubutu does not exist in feisty
[12:42] <BFTD> !fluxubutu
[12:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fluxubutu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:43] <SkullCrusher> !fluxbuntu
[12:43] <ubotu> fluxbuntu is a LPAE-standard compliant, Ubuntu-based derivative that maintains the goal of running on a wide range of mobile devices and computers (low-end & high-end). It is lightweight, swift and efficient. | Support Channel: #fluxbuntu on freenode | Homepage: http://fluxbuntu.org/
[12:44] <BFTD> !5.10
[12:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 5.10 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:44] <pokieo> the laod page finishes and then it gets set to go to the login, the cursor comes on and then nothing
[12:44] <BFTD> Gust Feisty Edgy Dapper and what was it?
[12:45] <BFTD> something badger
[12:45] <B1zz> breezy?
[12:45] <BFTD> ah
[12:45] <BFTD> yes
[12:46] <BFTD> Gutsy Feisty Edgy Dapper Breezy Warty
[12:47] <Merchelo> BFTD: install fluxbox after installing xubuntu, i wouldn't recomment installing fluxbuntu
[12:48] <BFTD> yeah
[12:48] <Merchelo> oh wait
[12:48] <Merchelo> SkullCrusher: ^^
[12:49] <h3sp4wn> Gutsy Feisty Edgy Dapper Breezy *Hoary* Warty
[12:49] <h3sp4wn> Still no grumpy groundhog though
[12:49] <h3sp4wn> :/#
[12:50] <SkullCrusher> Unfortunately Ubuntu does not configure modems during installation. It does not come with many of the controller-less / software modem drivers!
[12:50] <SkullCrusher> why is that?
[12:50] <pok> sorry
[12:50] <BFTD> SkullCrusher dial up is outdated
[12:50] <h3sp4wn> Not in many parts of the world
[12:51] <SkullCrusher> yeh but some people live out of town
[12:51] <SkullCrusher> and cant get high speed
[12:51] <BFTD> like me
[12:51] <SkullCrusher> Sorry to hear that
[12:51] <Merchelo> Just FYI, nigeria in africa got DSL 2 years before Ireland got it.
[12:52] <SkullCrusher> :(
[12:52] <BFTD> Merchelo I personally know a team member who went there and set it up for them
[12:52] <Merchelo> crazy stuff tbh, and in France you can get 2.5gb/s down and 1.5gb/s up :/
[12:53] <Naughtyboy> guys....have a little problem with mouse-themes in xfce...
[12:53] <Naughtyboy> when I set anything else then "default" it won't take it.."kind of".....not on desktop and in thunar e.t.c but when I open Firefox I cen se the "new" mouse cursor...
[12:53] <Jester45> in Us you can get allmost anything
[12:53] <BFTD> I've gotten 900 KB/sec once
[12:53] <BFTD> took ubuntu 14 mins to download
[12:54] <BFTD> !
[12:54] <Jester45> down? or up
[12:54] <BFTD> those were the days
[12:54] <Jester45> o
[12:54] <BFTD> up was only 40 KB/sec
[12:54] <SkullCrusher> BFTD: dial up is outdated, is that why ubuntu doesnt configure modems during installation?
[12:54] <Jester45> i got 1.5MB/s on a torrent before
[12:55] <Jester45> dial up may be dated but its not out just yet
[12:55] <Naughtyboy> 100mbit full duplex here.. ,=))
[12:55] <BFTD> SkullCrusher like i said before, I have dial up
[12:55] <BFTD> SkullCrusher I've gotten dial to work with RH/FC/suse
[12:55] <BFTD> but nothing else
[12:56] <Jester45> i got 10mbit and upto 16mbit down depending if neighbors wireless is on/not used by them :)
[12:57] <BFTD> I wish you could take 2 separate connections, bind them and increase your speed drastically
[12:57] <h3sp4wn> You can
[12:57] <Jester45> BFTD: you can use them both at the same time but only if they are on diffrent connections
[12:57] <BFTD> um ok
[12:58] <Jester45> you cant dl from one source with 2 connections because both connections have diffrent ips
[12:58] <BFTD> Get:666 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/universe aircrack-ng 1:0.6.2-7ubuntu1
[12:58] <SkullCrusher> So unless i know abit about linux i aint gonna get no easy dail-up networking like windows?
[12:59] <BFTD> :-P
[12:59] <Jester45> but say what i do mostly is bind the wireless to azureus to seed and keep my connection for other things
[12:59] <BFTD> SkullCrusher nope
[12:59] <SkullCrusher> that bites
[12:59] <h3sp4wn> there is a new aircrack patch (I am not really into stealing other peoples bandwidth though)
[12:59] <Jester45> that way i dont waste my bandwidth
[01:00] <h3sp4wn> aircrack-ptw
[01:00] <SkullCrusher> When do u think dial-up modem connection will be a snap on linux?
[01:00] <Jester45> my friends dad's house has some guy with a open network its fun
[01:00] <BFTD> SkullCrusher never
[01:00] <Jester45> we passwored his router then blocked his mac address
[01:00] <SkullCrusher> why is that?
[01:00] <BFTD> HAHA
[01:01] <h3sp4wn> SkullCrusher: It is easy with an external serial modem (or an isa hard modem)
[01:01] <Jester45> next week he did a hardware factory reset (i think
[01:01] <BFTD> SkullCrusher in a year or 2 it'll be dropped
[01:01] <BFTD> !
[01:01] <BFTD> I have an ISA modem
[01:01] <BFTD> I should try it out
[01:02] <SkullCrusher> h3sp4wn: real easy?
[01:03] <BFTD> SkullCrusher does your comp have ISA slots in it?
[01:03] <h3sp4wn> I think wvdial is really easy to use or was when I last used it
[01:03] <Jester45> might be droped for ubuntu
[01:03] <SkullCrusher> BFTD: yes
[01:04] <Jester45> can compiz bend windows
[01:04] <BFTD> SkullCrusher I can send you a modem then that might work alot better then your PCI one
[01:06] <BFTD> can you upgrade via the xubuntu alt cd?
[01:06] <BFTD> MAX!!
[01:06] <BFTD> or rather ADAM!!
[01:06] <maxamillion> i didn't do it
[01:07] <h3sp4wn> SkullCrusher: have you checked linmodems.org
[01:07] <BFTD> maxamillion thats because you haven't done it yet
[01:07] <maxamillion> ok ... maybe i did it, but you can't prove it ;)
[01:07] <maxamillion> BFTD: how are you?
[01:07] <BFTD> pretty good
[01:07] <BFTD> upgrading to feisty
[01:07] <maxamillion> awesome awesome
[01:08] <maxamillion> the upgrade is really smooth ... i upgraded with a bunch of random packages installed from third party repos and it still went fine, just had to resolve a couple dependencies when it was finished
[01:08] <Jester45> hello max
[01:08] <maxamillion> hiya Jester45
[01:09] <SkullCrusher> h3sp4wn: dont think so all i want to know is there a easy way to install and get a modem running in xubuntu hopefully somewhere close to getting it going like in windows
[01:09] <Jester45> maxamillion: do you know much about compiz
[01:09] <BFTD> maxamillion I got a job, and the first thing I had to do was make a simple program with C++, which I could do thanks to you
[01:10] <maxamillion> Jester45: a bit ... what's up?
[01:10] <maxamillion> BFTD: :D awesome!!!! glad to hear it
[01:10] <maxamillion> BFTD: how's the job treating you?
[01:11] <archangelpetro> hey max :)
[01:11] <BFTD> pretty good, I sign up for child care and get sent over to the IT department
[01:11] <Jester45> maxamillion: do you know if compiz can bendwindows back? and if so how
[01:11] <archangelpetro> BFTD, what is the job?
[01:11] <Jester45> BFTD: wish i could do that
[01:12] <BFTD> haha
[01:12] <BFTD> so one hour I'm entertaining kids, the other I'm doing tech support
[01:12] <Jester45> my luch i would sign up for It and get child care
[01:12] <Jester45> kinda oposite
[01:12] <archangelpetro> BFTD, how exactly did max help you? if you dont mind my asking :) i wanna learn C++
[01:13] <maxamillion> Jester45: make the window fullscreen, hold the alt button on your keyboard and then go to one of the top corners until it changes cursor style and then click and drag
[01:13] <BFTD> more of an encouragment, but he lead me to some good resources and answered my noobish questions
[01:13] <maxamillion> archangelpetro: BFTD did alot of the work, i just helped when i was able to :)
[01:14] <Jester45> what if the alt+click is set on annoite
[01:14] <maxamillion> alot = all
[01:14] <maxamillion> :)
[01:14] <B1zz> got a nice tut max?
[01:14] <maxamillion> Jester45: then i dunno
[01:14] <maxamillion> B1zz: uhmm... i know of a couple ... lemme get you links
[01:14] <Jester45> is the setting to change that in the compiz manger?
[01:14] <B1zz> thanks
[01:14] <archangelpetro> maxamillion, is there any particular location you could suggest that would be a good start point?
[01:15] <maxamillion> http://www.cplusplus.com/doc/tutorial/ <---good site for starting, just start at "Introduction" and go down
[01:15] <Jester45> you could read up on the history that helps me
[01:15] <B1zz> thanks max
[01:15] <ciro314> hello. is there any lighty bittorrent client like utorrent for xubuntu ?
[01:15] <archangelpetro> BFTD, maxamillion If you've heard of an MMORPG called planeshift, i'm attempting to get involved with the development side of that.. as a means  of providing my C++ learning with impetus
[01:15] <B1zz> checking that out now
[01:15] <archangelpetro> thanks max :)
[01:16] <maxamillion> archangelpetro: np
[01:16] <BFTD> archangelpetro sweet game
[01:16] <archangelpetro> ya
[01:16] <maxamillion> archangelpetro: i've heard of it
[01:16] <BFTD> !!
[01:16] <archangelpetro> well, with any luck.. i can learn c++ to a level where i can help build it
[01:16] <maxamillion> ciro314: uhmmm... just a moment, i might have a suggestion ... just don't remember the name (i don't torrent much)
[01:16] <pok> my computer frezzes just before the login screen
[01:16] <BFTD> wget is awesome, I stopped a downlaod and started it again, it picked up from where it left off
[01:17] <Jester45> many things do that
[01:17] <BFTD> yeah
[01:17] <archangelpetro> BFTD, wget rocks :P
[01:19] <maxamillion> pok: can you hit ctrl+alt+f1 and see if that brings you to a command line login?
[01:20] <BFTD> does 7.04 come with the nvidia driver?
[01:21] <maxamillion> BFTD: not sure, i upgraded
[01:21] <maxamillion> ciro314: http://deluge-torrent.org/ <--they offer a repository for you to add so you can use the package manager of your choice for installation
[01:22] <pok> just a sec
[01:22] <ciro314> thanks maxamillion.
[01:22] <pok> yes
[01:22] <Jester45> i like azureus
[01:22] <maxamillion> ciro314: no problem :)
[01:22] <maxamillion> pok: ok, login and we will go from there
[01:22] <Jester45> not light but good
[01:23] <pok> ok
[01:24] <maxamillion> Jester45: deluge owns azureus and its light .... just kinda "new" ... like exhaile :)
[01:24] <maxamillion> pok: ok, enter this command "sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf" and that will bring up your xorg config in a text editor
[01:25] <maxamillion> pok: once you are in there, use the arrow buttons to scroll down to a place where is says: Section "Device"  .... under that it is going to say: Driver    "<something>" ... tell me what that <something> is
[01:25] <Jester45> azureus is better
[01:25] <maxamillion> Jester45: lol
[01:26] <maxamillion> Jester45: matter of opinion ;)
[01:26] <Jester45> not really sorry to tell you
[01:26] <maxamillion> Jester45: i do really like azureus, but its just horribly bloated
[01:26] <Jester45> :)
[01:26] <Jester45> maxamillion:  i do really like deluge, but its just horribly light
[01:26] <maxamillion> lol
[01:27] <maxamillion> Jester45: fair enough
[01:27] <pok> just a sec
[01:27] <Jester45> hehe i like to know when my program is doing somthing
[01:27] <Jester45> by a spike in the ram and cpu usage
[01:27] <maxamillion> Jester45: LOL ... i count on status bars in the program to inform me
[01:28] <Jester45> i have azureus in a box under my bed
[01:29] <T`> anyone here using feisty with composite enabled? my ATI x700 laptop is unusable with it
[01:29] <T`> i'm using the "ati" driver
[01:29] <pok> input device?
[01:29] <kalikiana> T`, That is normal. Current xfce compositor is slow.
[01:29] <crabgrass> hey all
[01:30] <kalikiana> hi crabgrass
[01:30] <pilibeen> hi, my laptop froze during the network install, and I had to do a hard shutdown....now i can't get past the boot screen. is there any way to salvage this, or do I have to do a fresh install?
[01:30] <Jester45> i have it
[01:30] <pilibeen> network upgrade*
[01:30] <crabgrass> what's the safest way to format a drive? i'm installing xubuntu onto sda, but i'd like to format and use sdb as well
[01:30] <Jester45> i got radeon 9250 with compiz and"ati" driver
[01:30] <pok> Driver i810
[01:30] <crabgrass> *i need to format sdb first, though, i'm going to use it to hold some files from my previous install
[01:30] <kalikiana> T`, For now you can only switch to Beryl or use the proprietary ati driver. Or you wait until xfce's compositor is faster.
[01:31] <T`> kalikiana, uh.. but my laptop with intel graphics card is mucch faster
[01:31] <ciro314> i can not see fonts on firefox windows clearly. How could i fix it?
[01:31] <kalikiana> T`, If I am not wrong, Intel released a fully accelerated driver open source, that is the reason.
[01:31] <T`> kalikiana, oh so beryl is faster than composite! i didnt know.. i want the super fast virtual window switch to stay same
[01:32] <T`> kalikiana, will that be so after going into beryl? last time i tried its a bit slower
[01:32] <T`> but this was on dapper
[01:32] <Jester45> T': Beryl has be updated and is fastr now
[01:32] <maxamillion> pok: ok, replace the i810 with "vesa" and then do ctrl+o (the letter o, not the number 0) and that will "write out" the file and then do ctrl+x to exit the text editor and then enter the command "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart" ... hopefully that will get you up and running
[01:32] <BFTD> well
[01:33] <kalikiana> T`, I do not know what exactly Beryl does differently, but for me (using radeon and os driver) it was way faster. Only drawback is that Beryl may be less stable.
[01:33] <BFTD> I gotta go now
[01:33] <pok> okat
[01:33] <BFTD> bye all
[01:33] <maxamillion> laters BFTD
[01:33] <crabgrass> adios
[01:33] <Jester45> kalikiana: i dont have ATI's driver and i have compiz
[01:33] <maxamillion> BFTD: congrats on that job!
[01:33] <kalikiana> ciao BFTD
[01:33] <BFTD> thanks
[01:33] <kalikiana> Jester45, so?
[01:34] <T`> kalikiana, ic.. and switching vscreens is supppper fast?
[01:34] <T`> kalikiana, xfce is almost instant when i switch.. so awesome.. gnome and kde lag a bit
[01:34] <crabgrass> xfce is rediculously fast
[01:34] <maxamillion> T`: that's because xfce dominates :)
[01:35] <T`> haha true, just curious if that is how it is with beryl
[01:35] <T`> or else i wont use beryl..
[01:35] <crabgrass> I was just about to ask that
[01:35] <crabgrass> But I think I can get along without it, seeing as how it murders my WoW framerate...
[01:35] <kalikiana> T`, You could try and see if Beryl with XFCE is how you like it. It's working together pretty good.
[01:36] <maxamillion> crabgrass: yup yup ;) ... you should see it run on this Athlon64 X2 4600+, 2gb ddr2 ram, xfx nvidia7900gtx machine they gave me to sit on my desk at work :)
[01:36] <T`> kalikiana, yea have to read up the docs.. last time it took me like 2 days to set it up.. and used it for 5 mins and uninstalled it
[01:36] <crabgrass> maxamillion: wow, that's exactly the machine I have, 'cept I'm running a 4800+
[01:36] <T`> crabgrass, you play WoW on linux??
[01:36] <archangelpetro> can anyone suggest a program to create flow chart/diagrams etc?
[01:36] <maxamillion> crabgrass: nice!!! ... i wish i could afford hardware like this at home :(
[01:36] <crabgrass> T: i sure do!
[01:37] <T`> loll!
[01:37] <pok> no it didn't work
[01:37] <T`> maxamillion, pawned :p
[01:37] <T`> maxamillion, haha j/k
[01:37] <maxamillion> :P
[01:37] <maxamillion> pok: hmm..... what exactly is it doing?
[01:37] <kalikiana> T`, Maybe it's easier with Feisty. At least with Feisty xfce's compositor works without manual configuration for me.
[01:37] <crabgrass> maxamillion: well, you probably have a car >.>
[01:37] <archangelpetro> T`, u run WoW through wine?
[01:37] <pok> it jsut sits with the mouse right before the ligin screen
[01:37] <T`> kalikiana, yea compositive was damn easy
[01:37] <pok> sorry login screen
[01:37] <maxamillion> crabgrass: yeah ... that i have, but i only use it to get to campus for class and work (i'm a college student with an on campus sys admin job)
[01:37] <T`> archangelpetro, i dont play WoW, but wasa actually surprsied somene uses WoW thru linu
[01:37] <T`> linux*&
[01:38] <maxamillion> pok: oh ... strange
[01:38] <archangelpetro> oh, whoops sorry, wrong person ;)
[01:38] <pok> I am using a different computer
[01:38] <archangelpetro> crabgrass,  ;) question was meant for you :P .. you use WoW through wine?
[01:38] <pok> yeah I was installing an swf viewer and the system stalled
[01:38] <crabgrass> archangelpetro: yup.
[01:38] <archangelpetro> hehe, nice
[01:38] <pok> so I reset
[01:39] <pok> and since then it jsut sits right before the login page
[01:39] <crabgrass> archangelpetro: i haven't turned off this box in a little over two months, though, 'cause X won't start if I do.
[01:39] <pok> no errors in boot
[01:39] <crabgrass> archangelpetro: thank god linux is so stable!
[01:39] <maxamillion> pok: oohhhhh, that's not good ....
[01:39] <pok> really?
[01:39] <archangelpetro> crabgrass, i find that occasionally.. X just halts.
[01:40] <maxamillion> pok: yeah ... what swf veiwer were you installing?
[01:40] <archangelpetro> cant even ctrl-alt-bkspce out of it
[01:40] <crabgrass> archangelpetro: it's the nvidia driver, somthing about the X kernel and nvidia driver kernel versions mismatching, or something.
[01:40] <pok> the one that is in the add/remove
[01:40] <archangelpetro> although i'm using ubuntu, not xubuntu.. xfce always started taking up loads and loads of memoery
[01:40] <maxamillion> archangelpetro: ctrl+alt+f1 ... login ... "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart" in that case
[01:40] <archangelpetro> I see.
[01:40] <archangelpetro> maxamillion, i tried that
[01:40] <maxamillion> pok: hmmm... strange
[01:40] <archangelpetro> the keyboard pretty much stopped responding
[01:41] <maxamillion> archangelpetro: oh wow .. i haven't seen a X freeze like that in over 5 years ... accept in alpha stages of development
[01:41] <crabgrass> archangelpetro: AFAIK they are seperate, but I used Envy to install the drivers, and once i fiddle with xorg.conf in nano, I can start X, but it happens every time.
[01:41] <pilibeen> is it faster at this point to get feisty off the servers or off torrents?
[01:41] <crabgrass> pilibeen: torrents.
[01:41] <maxamillion> pilibeen: should be about the same
[01:41] <maxamillion> lol
[01:41] <crabgrass> pilibeen: or at least they seemed faster for me.
[01:41] <crabgrass> /shrug
[01:41] <archangelpetro> crabgrass, maxamillion it only seems to happen every so often.. but then, i dont reboot much either
[01:41] <maxamillion> they might be
[01:42] <crabgrass> archangelpetro: yeah, no need to.
[01:42] <pilibeen> yeah im getting it off the torrents now at over 400kb/s
[01:42] <maxamillion> archangelpetro: you shouldn't ever have to reboot accept for kernel upgrades
[01:42] <pilibeen> i assume that'd be faster
[01:42] <T`> anyone use vim as their primary editor here?
[01:42] <archangelpetro> maxamillion, i know :'(
[01:42] <pok> is there any way to recover the files?
[01:42] <maxamillion> T`: i use different editors for different things, but i use vim a decent amount
[01:42] <crabgrass> maxamillion: unless your idea of a good time is a bottle of vodka and terminal
[01:42] <archangelpetro> there'a few bugs here and there though, occasionally xorg starts using like 40% memory, and slows everything down :/
[01:42] <maxamillion> pok: yeah, just boot with the live cd and mount the hard drive and you can access the files
[01:43] <archangelpetro> that's why i switched to ubuntu instead of xubuntu, cuz xfce->xorg kept slowly taking more and more memory
[01:43] <T`> maxamillion, i have this use case where i would edit a file and finall notice its not sudo'ed mode
[01:43] <T`> maxamillion, how do u deal with that?
[01:43] <pok> how do you do that
[01:43] <maxamillion> T`: re-edit it?
[01:43] <T`> archangelpetro, uh?
[01:44] <T`> maxamillion, haha.. thats not cool ;)
[01:44] <crabgrass> maxamillion: ctrl+a, ctrl+c,  sudo open file, ctrl+a, ctrl+v
[01:44] <maxamillion> T`: i really don't think there is anything you can do because vim would need to be running with sudo privs because it is what is trying to write to the file system
[01:44] <archangelpetro> T`, i dont understand the question :P
[01:44] <maxamillion> T`: ah ... crabgrass has a good solution ... just copy and paste to a new vim :)
[01:44] <maxamillion> pok: what cd did you install from?
[01:45] <crabgrass> maxamillion: works for me =P
[01:45] <T`> maxamillion, lol.. not if you had a 10 page file with changes spread all across
[01:45] <pok> 7.04 beta
[01:45] <T`> maxamillion, you could just save to somewhere elseand copy..
[01:45] <crabgrass> T: oh, true.
[01:45] <maxamillion> T`: yeah ... that too
[01:45] <T`> archangelpetro, you dont use xfce anymore?
[01:45] <crabgrass> T, what is that character after your name? i can't tab to you
[01:45] <pok> but then updated
[01:45] <T`> archangelpetro, you said you moved to ubuntu
[01:46] <T`> crabgrass, its a 'tick'.. its the same key as tilda
[01:46] <T`> ~
[01:46] <maxamillion> crabgrass: its the tilda but without shift
[01:46] <crabgrass> `
[01:46] <crabgrass> AH HA.
[01:46] <maxamillion> :)
[01:46] <T`> lol
[01:46] <crabgrass> gotcha
[01:46] <archangelpetro> T`, xfce is my favourite wm, but i had so many problems with it.. that i just kinda gave up
[01:46] <T`> a lot of people hate that character
[01:46] <T`> but i had it for so long i dont wanna change anymre
[01:46] <crabgrass> heh
[01:46] <T`> archangelpetro, uhm..
[01:46] <crabgrass> T`: oh wow, it makes tabbing to your name really easy
[01:46] <T`> archangelpetro, i been using xfce for like 3-4 years
[01:47] <maxamillion> archangelpetro: xfce isn't a wm ;)
[01:47] <T`> crabgrass, how so?
[01:47] <crabgrass> T`: now that I know where it is.
[01:47] <T`> crabgrass, ah right
[01:47] <crabgrass> T`: the keys are literally right next to each other.
[01:47] <maxamillion> pok: did you install with the desktop live cd or from the alternate image?
[01:47] <archangelpetro> T`, well honestly, i tried to figure out why it was eating up more and more memory, but.. i couldnt.. im sure i even asked maxamillion about it
[01:47] <T`> archangelpetro, may be its firefox
[01:47] <archangelpetro> maxamillion, apologies for my lack of pedantics ;) heheehhe :P desktop environment?
[01:47] <maxamillion> archangelpetro: yes ... xfwm4 is the wm :)
[01:48] <T`> i did have issues with my VM's slowing down soo much its unusable, had to restart linux, but thta i assumend was firefox/kernel swapping/vmware
[01:48] <maxamillion> xfwm4 is my favorite wm ... i would use it with gnome if i were to ever convert
[01:48] <T`> one of them
[01:48] <archangelpetro> T`, you know, i'd have asked 'how' before, but after what's happened on this ubuntu, when firefox crashes and takes xorg with it (memory eating wise) i can definitely believe that.
[01:48] <crabgrass> How do you pronounce xfce, anyway? I've been calling it x-face, just for lulz.
[01:48] <pok> I downloaded the cd image and istalled from there
[01:49] <T`> X F C E
[01:49] <archangelpetro> crabgrass, 'xface' ;)
[01:49] <crabgrass> hmm.
[01:49] <T`> thats how i say ie
[01:49] <archangelpetro> although i do say X.F.C.E
[01:49] <crabgrass> Ugh, I'd gladly leave firefox if somone ported adblock to another browser
[01:49] <T`> hmm never thought of it that way
[01:49] <neozen> also heard it pronounced xfice
[01:49] <crabgrass> XFaCE?
[01:49] <maxamillion> pok: right, but there are two different cd images ... the live desktop or the text based alternate image
[01:49] <archangelpetro> ya, i thinkj i should probably give up firefox ;)
[01:49] <crabgrass> It's in there, it's just... silent.
[01:50] <pok> Oh when I put the cd the live desktop came up and I instlled from there
[01:50] <crabgrass> But I haven't seen a single advert on the internet for... years. It honestly irks me when I do see one at work or a friend's house.
[01:50] <neozen> lol
[01:50] <maxamillion> archangelpetro: one of our devs are working on a light weight gtk web browser written with the gtk port of the konqueror/safari engine
[01:50] <kalikiana> crabgrass, What about userscripts?
[01:50] <maxamillion> archangelpetro: might see something ready by feisty+1 if we are lucky
[01:50] <crabgrass> kalikiana: i have no idea.
[01:50] <neozen> the net without advertisements..... what a strange beastie that would be
[01:51] <maxamillion> pok: ok, well this time you will put that cd in and when you get to the desktop instead of installing you will mount the hard drive so you can access the files with the file manager and then back them up to something like a usb flash drive
[01:51] <archangelpetro> sweet maxamillion remind me of that and i'll definitely get it :)
[01:51] <maxamillion> archangelpetro: okies
[01:51] <kalikiana> crabgrass, You could go search a userscript to block ads. Userscripts are javascripts which modify webpages for your. You could also do other things like blocking flash or changing colors. And they work in other browsers like Opera or Safari.
[01:52] <pok> how do you mount the hd?
[01:52] <maxamillion> archangelpetro: kalikiana is also working on one too ... bet if you ask nice you would receive info and maybe a link
[01:52] <crabgrass> kalikiana: Oh, like ... bookmarkletts?
[01:53] <pok> will I be able to acces my Ipod as a storage devide?
[01:53] <crabgrass> kalikiana: I thought you meant some sort of cron job, or something like that.
[01:53] <kalikiana> crabgrass, Similar, but working automagically ;)
[01:53] <pok> device?
[01:53] <crabgrass> rofl! automagically
[01:53] <T`> hmm.. might as well ask when you folks are around.. what are you using to manage wireless connections on your laptops?
[01:53] <archangelpetro> kalikiana, you have an url i can use to browse? :)
[01:53] <maxamillion> pok: http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/mounting.html
[01:53] <neozen> T: network-manager-gnome
[01:54] <T`> does it install a zillian gnmoe packages?
[01:54] <maxamillion> pok: you should be able to, i beleive it will show up as a usb storage device in the file manager
[01:54] <neozen> T: no... but you get a few
[01:54] <T`> hmm.. i'm kinda sick of wifi-radar.. sucks
[01:55] <neozen> T: ah
[01:55] <T`> ok i'll gve that a shot .. thanks
[01:55] <kalikiana> archangelpetro, Currently the browser is *very* incomplete, ie. instable, no menus working, no sessions. I can notify you once there is something usable if you want.
[01:55] <maxamillion> T`: i use network-manager-gnome as well and run nm-applet but that will only be for as long as it takes for this to make it in the repos: http://spuriousinterrupt.org/projects/airconfig
[01:56] <maxamillion> T`: or atleast get it stable and i will package it and post it on the forums
[01:56] <maxamillion> anyhoo ... i have to go
[01:56] <T`> k cya.. nm-applet works great
[01:56] <maxamillion> i am getting off work, see everyone later on tonight or tomorrow!!! :)
[01:56] <T`> how do i make sure it startsevery time xfce is started?
[01:57] <kalikiana> archangelpetro, The good thing is: we have already two guys working with me on the project. ;)
[01:57] <archangelpetro> kalikiana, what language?
[01:58] <kalikiana> archangelpetro, Hm.. English and German? :P
[01:58] <kalikiana> archangelpetro, Ah, you mean the code. It's C.
[01:58] <archangelpetro> :D
[01:58] <crabgrass> /lol
[01:58] <archangelpetro> open source i assume?
[01:59] <kalikiana> archangelpetro, And I should add the webkit code will probably be C++ actually.
[01:59] <crabgrass> oh, there was an open-source decentralized forum project going around a few months back... anyone heard of it or know if they've made any progress?
[02:00] <kalikiana> archangelpetro, It will be GPL so far. You'd be welcome to help if you like.
[02:02] <archangelpetro> kalikiana, i'd definitely be interested :)
[02:02] <archangelpetro> fucking hell, why doesnt kile work.. ever :/
[02:02] <archangelpetro> latex is frustrating :D
[02:02] <T`> is there a file in xfce where i can specify i want nm-applet started always?
[02:02] <kalikiana> T`, put it in the autostart, look in the Settings menu.
[02:03] <T`> ah ok!
[02:04] <kalikiana> archangelpetro, Would you want to be doing a specific part? I suggest the webkit port would be most welcome. Or you could do documentation as well.
[02:05] <archangelpetro> kalikiana, any part really, I'd like to get involved with some projects like this to give me a bit more working experience with larger ones. :) But, since my coding isnt what you'd consider 'guru' level :) i could start with Documentation, and help with progressively larger and larger parts of code?