[05:35] <Toyito> Hi there
[05:39] <Toyito> hey could you help me pls
[05:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> you hare to ask a question before people knwo that
[05:41] <Toyito> ok i have installed Edubuntu Feisty, a fresh install, i have system sound in the server and clients....but when i visit a flash site i don have sound in terminals
[05:41] <Toyito> can u help me to fix it?
[05:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> /i/ cant, havent used ltsp on feisty
[05:45] <Toyito> ok thanks
[09:03] <RichEd> Burgundavia: you confirmed for UDS ?
[09:03] <Burgundavia> RichEd: yep
[09:03] <RichEd> great ... will be good to meet you in the flesh
[09:09] <ajmitch> excellent...
[09:30] <LaserJock> RichEd: schedule up?
[09:35] <irc> LaserJock: busy with it now ... will have draft on the wiki in approx 2-3 hours
[09:35] <LaserJock> cool
[09:41] <ajmitch> hey LaserJock
[09:41] <ajmitch> why are you still awake? :)
[09:51] <LaserJock> ajmitch: well, I've got too much to do to go to bed
[09:52] <LaserJock> gotta write up open week stuff for tomorrow
[09:52] <LaserJock> do some data analysis for some rockin' cool data I got this evening
[09:52] <LaserJock> etc.
[09:53] <ajmitch> ah fun
[09:57] <LaserJock> unfortunately it's 1:00am before I can get to anything :/
[11:21] <RichEd> Burgwork: you there ?
[12:16] <RichEd> ping ogra
[12:16] <ogra> pong
[12:16] <RichEd> ogra: are you up to answering a quick moodle question in #edulinux for <mpytasz>
[12:17] <RichEd> and also, we have confirmation of a top moodle developer for UES ... Petr Skoda
[12:17] <ogra> yay
[12:36] <cbx33> ok
[12:38] <RichEd> ogra, willvdl : 43 people confirmed for UES
[12:38] <ogra> woah
[12:38] <ogra> thats not bad
[12:38] <willvdl> sweet
[12:38] <ogra> the edubuntu kickoff meeting we had in london were 15 ppl or so
[12:38] <RichEd> i'll update the attendee list when I have finished the first draft of the schedule ...
[12:38] <RichEd> some nice attendees across quite a spread of interest and background
[12:39] <willvdl> good news indeed
[12:39] <cbx33> hey guys
[12:39] <cbx33> I'm being thick here
[12:39] <cbx33> I have a usb hdd
[12:39] <cbx33>  /dev/sda
[12:39] <cbx33> I just created a partition on it with gnome patirion manager
[12:39] <cbx33> so i have /dev/sda1
[12:40] <cbx33> i unplug and plug in and it automounts it
[12:40] <cbx33> but I can't write to it
[12:40] <cbx33> even though it's mounted as rw
[12:40] <cbx33> how can i mount this partition so a "normal" user can write to it
[12:40] <cliebow> and it has a dos filesystem?
[12:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> RichEd, good numbers.
[12:43] <cbx33> no
[12:43] <cbx33> ext3
[12:43] <cbx33> i just created i
[12:43] <RichEd> Kamping_Kaiser: and a nice spread ... I am glad now that I did not promote it harder than we did ... 40-45 is manageable for this event, and then we can aim for a kick-ass event in 6 months time.
[12:43] <cbx33> cool
[12:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> ajmitch, mm. <aol />
[12:44] <RichEd> ajmitch & cbx33 : now that I have been through the process, we'll sort out arrangements a lot earlier with more warning for the next event.
[12:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> RichEd, heh. well done on the promotions front too then ;)
[12:44] <ajmitch> I suspect that UDS will be more worthwhile for me at this point
[12:45] <ajmitch> since I'm pretty much just focused on development
[12:45] <cbx33> cliebow: what can i do about it
[12:46] <ajmitch> cbx33: it's using the normal permissions
[12:47] <ajmitch> so making it writable for anyone to create directories in would be a good help
[12:47] <cbx33> who would i do that?
[12:47] <cbx33> how?
[12:48] <ajmitch> chmod ?
[12:48] <cbx33> hmm
[12:48] <cbx33> ok
[12:48] <cbx33> I'll try
[12:48] <cbx33> the dir that I mounted to was created by a standard user
[12:48] <cbx33> what do i chmod?
[12:49] <cliebow> i am not so bright..but  if i mount with sudo only  root can write
[12:49] <ajmitch> but the root inode on the device probably isn't writable
[12:49] <cbx33> ajmitch: i see
[12:49] <cbx33> how do i make it so?
[12:49] <ajmitch> where is it mounted?
[12:50] <cbx33> a folder a user created
[12:50] <ajmitch> not helpful
[12:50] <cbx33>  /home/pete/win2000
[12:50] <ajmitch> ls -lad /home/pete/win2000
[12:50] <cbx33> whilst mounted?
[12:50] <ajmitch> yes
[12:50] <cbx33> ok hang on
[12:51] <cbx33> oh no sorry...the auto mount mounted it to media/disk-1
[12:51] <cbx33> but yes ther erms are wrong
[12:51] <cbx33> I'll chmod
[12:51] <ajmitch> right
[12:51] <ajmitch> then it should magically work
[12:51] <cbx33> thanks
[12:52] <cbx33> YAY
[12:52] <cliebow> yAY
[12:52] <cbx33> if i wanted to mauanlly mount and get the same effect
[12:52] <cbx33> how would I do it?
[12:54] <ajmitch> it should work now when you manually mount
[12:54] <ajmitch> try it
[01:02] <RichEd> Kamping_Kaiser: any predictions for the krikkit today ?
[01:03] <ajmitch> RichEd: don't talk about such things
[01:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> RichEd, not an unbiased one :)
[01:11] <cliebow> heh
[01:11] <ogra> oh, he said without totally destroying it ...
[01:11] <ogra> s/knife/scalpel/
[01:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[01:12] <cliebow> we're  in a place where the town valuation has quadrupled..so the state says we dont need any money..so just to keep status quo we have to ask for another 800000  from thic city of retirees
[01:13] <cliebow> which is why pos cpus with 64  meg  of ram are my terminals
[01:14] <ajmitch> morning ogra :)
[01:15] <ogra> hey
[01:21] <cliebow> btw:Good  Morning Edubuntu!
[01:22] <ogra> :)
[01:22] <ogra> afternoon
[01:22] <cliebow> heh
[01:28] <highvoltage> hmm.. should get that fixed
[01:28] <RichEd> hi highvoltage
[01:28] <highvoltage> hi RichEd
[01:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> btw RichEd , can we have a topic oin -education ?  perty please :)
[01:30] <RichEd> Kamping_Kaiser: try to get there ...
[01:36] <juliux> hi
[01:55] <bimberi> RichEd: My prediction - a tie :)
[01:56] <bimberi> ha!
[01:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[01:59] <bimberi> ajmitch: :(
[02:36] <RichEd> quick wiki table help question ... how do I force a line in a table row ?
[02:36] <RichEd> *a line break
[02:37] <ogra> [[BR] ]  ?
[02:37] <RichEd> okay ... will try that ... was using <br> and did not work
[02:39] <RichEd> thanks :) works
[02:39] <ogra> was guessed :)
[02:51] <RichEd> it's quote fussy, needs BR in caps, but does the job
[02:51] <RichEd> *quite
[02:54] <ogra> do we have any rdektop edgy users around ?
[02:54] <ogra> *rdesktop
[03:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> RichEd, dont know if your following the cricket... good luck for your team :)
[03:47] <testingltsp> anybody tested LTSP5 in edubuntu?
[03:48] <RichEd> thanks Kamping_Kaiser sane to you :)
[03:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> ta :)
[03:48] <RichEd> *same ... oops freudian slip
[03:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[03:48] <testingltsp> anybody tested LTSP5 in edubuntu?
[03:49] <kgoetz> testingltsp: no need to ask every minute
[03:49] <kgoetz> wait a while, if someone has they might respond
[03:49] <testingltsp> hahaha
[03:49] <testingltsp> pl
[03:49] <testingltsp> ok
[03:49] <testingltsp> played too much maple story, learnt how to spamming message
[03:53] <testingltsp> I've installed ltsp5 with edubuntu, all my terminals boot up perfectly, but none of them allow me to login!
[03:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> testingltsp, do you have sabayon installed?
[03:56] <testingltsp> kamping_kaiser, i tested sabayon before, I think that is the first version when it is supporting berly 3D desktop
[03:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> testingltsp, if you have sabayon installed but users arnt in groups (whatever sabayon calls them) they cant log in
[03:57] <testingltsp> I don't mind using any distro to test out the latest LTSP 5, but seems that Ubuntu is most promising
[03:58] <testingltsp> kamping_kaiser, I'm using edubuntu 7.04 + LTSP 5
[03:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes, but do you have sabayon installed?
[03:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> check.
[03:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> now
[03:59] <testingltsp> i don't have sabayon now
[04:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok
[04:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> do you have any errors in ~/.xsession-errors from the user you were trying to log in as?
[04:01] <testingltsp> how to find that log?
[04:01] <testingltsp> at terminal side?
[04:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> log in at the server console or ssh into the server
[04:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> then look in /home/username/.xsession-errors (where username is the user you tried to log in using the terminal)
[04:02] <testingltsp> I've tried to use screen 2 by login using prompt
[04:02] <testingltsp> but still not manage to login
[04:02] <testingltsp> checking now
[04:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> you wont be able to log into the thin clients unless you manually create a user the the chroot
[04:03] <testingltsp> ohh
[04:03] <testingltsp> how to create user using chroot?
[04:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> it would be funky if somehow anyone in %admin could be added into the chroot as 'allow logins', but afaik it cant be done (yet)
[04:03] <bddebian> Heay
[04:03] <bddebian> Err Heya even :-)
[04:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> you dont need a user in the chroot to login usign the gui
[04:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> hey bddebian :)
[04:03] <bddebian> Hello Kamping_Kaiser
[04:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[04:04] <testingltsp> a little bit confuse....
[04:04] <testingltsp> i didn't encounter this problem with the previous version
[04:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> welcome to software ;)
[04:05] <testingltsp> hahah xD
[04:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe :\
[04:27] <willvdl> highvoltage, sjoe, just got visa
[04:27] <RichEd> willvdl: good :)
[04:28] <ogra> testingltsp, did you chaneg any IP data for any of your network cards after installation ? if so, run sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys and try logging in again
[04:28] <ogra> *change
[04:29] <highvoltage> willvdl: cool!
[04:29] <testingltsp> ogra, I've not changing anything & I did run that ltsp-update-sshkeys, still not working
[04:30] <highvoltage> willvdl: btw, I see we're sharing a room :)
[04:31] <testingltsp> ogra, is there will be something inside the file "ssh_known_hosts" after execution of ltsp-update-sshkeys? mine is blank
[04:31] <willvdl> we are?
[04:31] <willvdl> aha, the list on Claire's email
[04:31] <willvdl> should read it I guess :)
[04:31] <ogra> testingltsp, under /opt/ltsp/i386/ ... yes
[04:32] <testingltsp> sob, my ssh_known_hosts is empty inside, I don't know what to do.
[04:32] <willvdl> highvoltage, trust your visa is all under control...us getting them in at the same time and all :)
[04:33] <ogra> testingltsp, is your ssh server running ?
[04:33] <testingltsp> how to verify that?
[04:33] <ogra> ps ax|grep ssh
[04:33] <ogra> should return something .... else its not
[04:33] <testingltsp>  5138 ?        Ss     0:00 /usr/bin/ssh-agent /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-s
[04:33] <testingltsp> is it running?
[04:34] <highvoltage> willvdl: I'm getting mine on Monday
[04:34] <ogra> ogra@edubuntu:~/devel/feisty-ltsp$ ps ax|grep ssh
[04:35] <ogra>  5155 ?        Ss     0:00 /usr/sbin/sshd
[04:35] <ogra> thats what you are looking for
[04:35] <ogra> sudo /etc/init.d/ssh start
[04:35] <testingltsp> hmm mine looks weird
[04:35] <testingltsp> ok
[04:35] <ogra> try that ^^^
[04:37] <testingltsp> ogra, u r my time saver!
[04:37] <ogra> :)
[04:38] <testingltsp> i don't have SSH server installed! lmao, tot is auto installed if LTSP is selected!
[04:38] <ogra> oh, so thats no standard edubuntu install ...
[04:38] <testingltsp> yeah
[04:39] <ogra> you *could* run ltsp without ssh ... so its not a hard dependency ...
[04:39] <testingltsp> is a bit shock that they miss out this link in synaptic, lol
[04:39] <ogra> apt-cache show ltsp-server :)
[04:39] <ogra> it has Recommends: ....
[04:39] <testingltsp> I've tried ubuntu & edubuntu 7.04, same thing
[04:42] <testingltsp> cool!!!! first time log in through client, ogra, i love u
[04:42] <ogra> :)
[05:42] <mcsd> !beryl
[05:42] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[05:50] <willvdl> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR2007040402715.html
[05:57] <ogra> hmm, high profile bribery ?
[05:59] <willvdl> what would you like to be bribed to do?
[06:01] <ogra> no idea ... for my existence ?
[06:01] <ogra> i dont have specific targets for stuff to work on for bribes .... :)
[06:01] <ogra> not yet ... but now that you say it .... :)
[06:04] <Riverman> hi room
[06:06] <Riverman> LTSP: can not boot an old client without a PXE NIC, it uses a RTL 8139 chip (clone)
[06:06] <Riverman> ideas?
[06:08] <cliebow_> Ri:how far do you get..
[06:09] <willvdl> ogra, perhaps LP needs a Bribery button. "Get this spec completed Xtra Fast!" (TM)
[06:09] <Riverman> well, I went on rom o matic
[06:10] <ogra> haha
[06:10] <Riverman> booted with dos, executed a com file, but got no dhcp, this i tried with a windows server though, because my linus server is not reaady yet
[06:10] <Riverman> just to test the fake pxe boot
[06:10] <ogra> why do you boot with DOS ?
[06:10] <ogra> the rom-o-matic disks should be able to boot right away
[06:12] <Riverman> well, i downloaded a tgz file to put on a floppy with rawwrite, but i got error
[06:12] <cliebow_> use rawrite to put a .zdsk onto a floppy
[06:12] <cliebow_> or.lzdsk..whatever
[06:12] <ogra> we had a very good howto once for creating rom o matic images... i wonder where its gone :/
[06:13] <Riverman> hmm i tried to find a howto.. but didnt get one
[06:14] <Riverman> does Edubuntu ltsp server create bootdisks?
[06:14] <ogra> seems someone deleted it from the wiki
[06:14] <ogra> no
[06:14] <ogra> but its ready to boot eterboot right away
[06:14] <Riverman> since the chipset is really well know (the rtl 8139)
[06:14] <ogra> so if you have your floppy working it should work out o the box
[06:15] <ogra> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPBootingClientsWithoutPxe
[06:15] <ogra> there we go
[06:15] <ogra> well hidden
[06:15] <willvdl> seems the whole wiki front was rewritten
[06:17] <ogra> i added it to the help.ubuntu-com ltsp docs
[06:18] <Riverman> hmmm
[06:23] <willvdl> ok. I'm an idiot
[06:25] <willvdl> later
[08:04] <ajmitch> ogra: a good session there
[08:04] <ogra> thanks
[08:04] <ogra> well, i need to go to do some tuxtype training i guess
[08:05] <ogra> sadly you can only scratch the surface with this 1h limitation and so many questions
[08:06] <joebaker> ogra:  nice presentation.  I have some experience using an http proxy filter solution using dansguardian and squid and clamav.  Ubuntu packages exist which can provide this solution.  A dns method makes auto configuration of the client doable using java script on a web server at http://wpad.localdomain/wpad.dat
[08:07] <ogra> we ship smoothwall on the addon CD atm
[08:07] <ajmitch> ogra: yeah, I didn't get to even ask any questions :)
[08:08] <ogra> i'll look into adding dansguariand or squidguard ... the prob with these is that they need updated balcklists every now and then
[08:08] <ogra> and dansguardian isnt freely distributable iirc
[08:09] <joebaker> ogra.  There is the license issue with Dan's guardian -- yes, although it is gpl to schools --- but that doesn't really work does it.  -- Importantly though Dan's guardian does not _require_ updated blacklists to be effective.
[08:10] <ogra> well, its not GPL to distributors ...
[08:10] <ogra> thats the main prob for me :)
[08:11] <ogra> we have willowng, but development of that stalled somehow
[08:11] <joebaker> ogra:  Maybe you are familiar with dan's guardian's approach of monitoring the content of the pages for matching regular expressions which have values associated with them.  A calculation is done, compared to acceptable value.
[08:11] <ogra> it was the most promising approach ...
[08:11] <ogra> joebaker, well, willowng simply uses a spam filter mechanism to match content ...
[08:12] <ogra> a bayesian one ... so it learns :)
[08:12] <joebaker> Maybe dansguardian can become truely gpl in the future.  I'll look into willowng.   I've been studying Python, maybe I can help if it's written in Python.
[08:13] <ogra> it is
[08:15] <cliebow_> joebaker:you working with python-gtk
[08:15] <joebaker> http://dansguardian.org/?page=copyright2     Since Edubuntu caters to mostly a non-commercial audience, there could be some benefit to using DansGuardian.  Where I work, we own a commercial license to DansGuardian.
[08:16] <joebaker> cliebow_ :  I hope to.  I'm reading "Python How to Program by Deitel"  it's a 1300 page book.  I'm on about page 300.
[08:18] <ogra> joebaker, we want to be able to provide edubuntu to everyone, even commecial people who want t use it as a base
[08:18] <joebaker> ogra:  I certianly agree.
[08:18] <LaserJock> hi ogra, sorry I missed your session
[08:18] <ogra> so such licensing wont work for shipment ...
[08:19] <ogra> LaserJock, well i missed yours too :P
[08:21] <joebaker> ogra:  I think that Ubuntu can buy a distributable license from DansGuardian that isn't too expensive... less than $5,000 if I recall.  I used to build firewalls and support them so I considered buying it.  Of course this might be problematic for derivative distributions.  I should contact "Dan" and see if he would enjoy increased exposure by releasing the product fully under GPL.
[08:23] <Burgwork> joebaker: we have a content filter
[08:24] <Burgwork> plus, that license is not really legal
[08:24] <cliebow_> having trouble installing feisty on a "fakeraid" intel matrix in raid 0..feisty sees the two drives as ndependent drives..anyone have any thoughts?
[08:24] <Burgwork> gpl2 allows commericial use
[08:24] <ogra> joebaker, we would have paied for mp3 support if that were our philosophy
[08:25] <cbx33> ogra, ++
[08:25] <cbx33> hey all
[08:25] <Burgwork> joebaker: Amaranth is the primary author of willowng
[08:25] <Burgwork> hey cbx33
[08:25] <cbx33> Hey Burgwork
[08:25] <cbx33> think the chapter is done
[08:25] <ogra> hi cbx33
[08:25] <cbx33> hey ogra
[08:25] <Burgwork> cool
[08:25] <cbx33> howz it going everyone
[08:25] <Burgwork> how do I change my keymap in bash?
[08:26] <cliebow_> cbx33:owdy!
[08:26] <cbx33> ogra, you did a new ldm in C right?
[08:26] <cbx33> hey cliebow
[08:26] <ogra> yes
[08:26] <joebaker> Burgwork: Thanks, I'll note Amaranth authorship of willowng.
[08:26] <cbx33> GTK baseD?
[08:26] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/people/ogra/+branch/ltsp/ldm-greeter
[08:26] <ogra> yes
[08:26] <cbx33> cool
[08:26] <cbx33> can i run it as a standard thingy
[08:26] <ogra> i use it since two weeks :)
[08:26] <cbx33> without it being a login manager
[08:27] <ogra> no
[08:27] <cbx33> so it will be in gutsy?
[08:27] <cbx33> I wanted to have a look at generating that clock plugin we talked about
[08:27] <ogra> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ldm-improvements
[08:28] <Burgwork> joebaker: willowng works for basic content filtering
[08:28] <ogra> but it wont get any new gui stuff
[08:28] <ogra> its slow enough with the existing stuff
[08:28] <cbx33> i thought you said it was faster in C
[08:28] <MrGreen> got a fresh install got a couple of questions?
[08:29] <cbx33> woudl a cairo clock slow it down?
[08:29] <MrGreen> cairo clock is sweet
[08:29] <Burgwork> yes
[08:29] <ogra> cbx33, its faster and smaller because it doesnt use *any* deps than plain GTK
[08:29] <cbx33> ahh ok
[08:29] <MrGreen> my keyboard is whack .. atm " is where @ should be ;-(
[08:29] <ogra> no cairo or anything to play with
[08:29] <cbx33> i see
[08:29] <cbx33> if i could do it in plain gtk?
[08:30] <ogra> only what gtk widgets pffer
[08:30] <MrGreen> mono
[08:30] <ogra> *offer
[08:30] <cbx33> hmm
[08:30] <joebaker> ogra your typing is fun to watch :)
[08:30] <ogra> heh
[08:30] <ogra> i would type three times faster if i wouldnt have to do corrections all the time :)
[08:30] <cbx33> hehe
[08:30] <cbx33> sometimes I wonder why we do corrections
[08:31] <ogra> but i'm german so this broken stuff bothers me :)
[08:31] <cbx33> I'm not going to btoher in future
[08:31] <ogra> tads greht
[08:31] <cbx33> unless someone asks ;~
[08:31] <cbx33> ah
[08:31] <ogra> or so :)
[08:31] <cbx33> Das ist Gut Ja?
[08:31] <MrGreen> nien
[08:32] <cbx33> ogra, we're getting two new pigs on Friday
[08:32] <cbx33> ;)
[08:32] <ogra> cool
[08:32] <Burgwork> ok non-english folks
[08:32] <Burgwork> the keyboard detection on my latest install of Ubuntu server failed
[08:32] <ogra> pur new one grows and grows
[08:32] <Burgwork> if I change the locale, will that fix it?
[08:32] <ogra> unlikely
[08:32] <Burgwork> ie: I got the wrong keymap
[08:32] <cbx33> hehe
[08:32] <cbx33> we're hoping to breed these two
[08:32] <cbx33> ;)
[08:33] <cbx33> have a little guinea pig farm
[08:33] <ogra> Burgwork, changing the keyboard settings will likely gain you more here :)
[08:33] <cbx33> guinea pig babies are sooo cool
[08:33] <Burgwork> ogra: where is that stored?
[08:33] <ogra> console-tools or so
[08:33] <ogra> or console-setup
[08:33] <ogra> dpkg-reconfigure is your friend :)
[08:33] <Monika|K> you can change the keyboard in your xorg.conf
[08:34] <Monika|K> 	Option	    "XkbModel" "pc105"
[08:34] <Monika|K> 	Option	    "XkbLayout" "de"
[08:34] <Monika|K> that would be for a German keyboard
[08:34] <ogra> it puts the settings into /etc/default ... xorg reads from that on reofgure ...
[08:34] <ogra> *reconfigure
[08:35] <ogra> Monika|K, apart from the fact that you shouldnt edit xorg.conf manually :)
[08:35] <ogra> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is the magic comand ;)
[08:35] <Burgwork> but there is no X on the box
[08:35] <Monika|K> one shouldn't? I have been advised to do it a lot and have changed mine
[08:36] <ogra> well, the tools we write usually operate as frontend to tools like dpkg-reconfigure ... i.e the new restricted manager
[08:36] <cliebow_> having trouble installing feisty on a "fakeraid" intel matrix in raid 0..feisty sees the two drives as ndependent drives..anyone have any thoughts?
[08:36] <ogra> if you change it manyually the debconf db wont match the content of the file anymore
[08:37] <ogra> cliebow, i think there was something in the ubuntu release notes about raid stuff
[08:37] <cliebow_> ok take another look
[08:37] <ogra> lie being extremely slow during partition creation
[08:37] <ogra> *like
[08:40] <LaserJock> ogra: are we going to talk about UES and UDS at the meeting today?
[08:40] <ogra> i think so
[08:40] <ogra> RichEd made some effort to get a schedule together
[08:40] <ogra> so i guess he wants to talk about it
[08:41] <ogra> i'm still not dont registering all my specs ...
[08:41] <ogra> actually i had a new idea today i need to wirte down as well
[08:41] <cbx33> ogra, http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-journal-cairo-article/clock-ex3.c
[08:41] <cbx33> doesn't that use the same libs
[08:41] <cbx33> gtk.h that you did?
[08:42] <ogra> yes
[08:42] <cbx33> but it does cairo?
[08:42] <ogra> but mine dosest make ldd load cairo into ram :P
[08:42] <cbx33> i see
[08:42] <cbx33> ok i get it now
[08:42] <ogra> if you dont call cairo it wont be loaded
[08:43] <cbx33> yeh
[08:43] <cbx33> ok
[08:43] <cbx33> I see
[08:43] <LaserJock> I'm working on learning some gtk/cairo
[08:43] <ogra> cbx33, apart from that you have another prob ...
[08:43] <cbx33> ;)
[08:43] <ogra> the clock on thin clients is usually wrong
[08:43] <cbx33> *bah*
[08:43] <cbx33> :p
[08:44] <cbx33> bbl
[08:44] <ogra> and i'm not after shipping and setting up an ntp server in edubuntu
[08:44] <ogra> apart from that you will slow down booting of the clients through that again
[08:45] <ogra> focus for gutsy ltsp is *speed* and stability not features ;)
[08:45] <LaserJock> awwww, but bling is fun ;-)
[08:45] <LaserJock> we aren't doing beryl-on-ltsp ?
[08:47] <ogra> ask Amaranth :P
[08:47] <ogra> i'm waiting for the beryl plugin ;)
[08:48] <LaserJock> ok, well something I've been thinking about
[08:48] <ogra> it cant work ...
[08:48] <LaserJock> is better user managment
[08:48] <ogra> ah
[08:48] <ogra> ok
[08:48] <LaserJock> I'm not great with all this fancy LDAP/AD stuff
[08:48] <ogra> well, that should go along with a proper edubuntu-auth-server implementation
[08:48] <ogra> what we need is a good ldap admin gui
[08:49] <LaserJock> but I keep seeing around the edu community "we need better user management, especially in bulk"
[08:49] <LaserJock> so will that be all that's needed?
[08:49] <ogra> the one i picked in the spec was pretty disappointing and far from being ready
[08:49] <LaserJock> well, not "all" as in trivial
[08:49] <ogra> well, find a good ldap admin thats as easy as users-admin
[08:49] <Burgwork> ogra: which one did you pick??
[08:49] <ogra> Burgwork, edsadmin
[08:50] <LaserJock> but is saying "if you want to do decent amounts users, you'll be using ldap" a safe assumption
[08:50] <Burgwork> ahh
[08:50] <Burgwork> lat is a better bet
[08:50] <ogra> Burgwork, it had the most userfriendly gui but lots of probs underneath
[08:50] <LaserJock> this is were my ignorance of "real life" deployments fails
[08:50] <ogra> lat is the worst crap i've seen so far
[08:50] <Burgwork> heh
[08:50] <Burgwork> it has the most features
[08:50] <ogra> i wouldnt put a teacher in front of it
[08:50] <Burgwork> I have only run into one crasher
[08:51] <ogra> yes, exactly its totally non-gnome
[08:51] <LaserJock> I just imagined something like the the gnome user tool, but with bulk features
[08:51] <ogra> it has way to many features
[08:51] <LaserJock> like import/export from file
[08:51] <ogra> yeh as simple as it can get
[08:51] <ogra> *yeah even
[08:52] <ogra> the best would be to have an ldap backend for users-admin
[08:52] <ogra> that just hooks in to ldap and to the existing gui
[08:52] <LaserJock> ok, well I wondered if I could tie the dynamic menu stuff into a bulk user management tool, but it sounds like that's not really a good idea
[08:53] <ogra> well, why not ....
[08:53] <ogra> if you dont bloat the ui
[08:53] <ogra> i.e. i dont want users to get a server selection dialog ...
[08:53] <LaserJock> well, I just thought it'd require messing around with the existing tools
[08:54] <ogra> or see a directory structure
[08:54] <ogra> if there is a new tool written thats as good or better than the existing tools thats fine ...
[08:54] <LaserJock> I was hoping for a GSoC project for that
[08:55] <ogra> the existing ldap admin tools are simply what they say they are ...
[08:55] <ogra> ldap admin tools ...
[08:55] <ogra> what we want is a user management tool ... :)
[08:55] <LaserJock> I want a user managment tool that works with ldap as well
[08:55] <Burgwork> an ldap backend for users-admin would rock
[08:55] <ogra> right
[08:55] <LaserJock> is it worth a spec?
[08:56] <Burgwork> it really shoujld be done upstream
[08:56] <ogra> sure
[08:56] <Burgwork> if we provide patches, I imagine they will take them
[08:56] <Burgwork> it has been talked about before
[08:56] <ogra> Burgwork, it can be done in ubuntu and flow up the stream ;)
[08:56] <cliebow_> ldap is so configurable with respect to users..how to deal with all the nuances people have added?
[08:56] <Burgwork> you assume defaults
[08:56] <ogra> cliebow_, i'm lookinf for something in the default install ...
[08:57] <Burgwork> if people have screwed up defaults, that is their issue, not ours
[08:57] <ogra> if you have special cases such a tool should point you to other tools that are better suited ...
[08:57] <ogra> i.e. if t detects a non standard setup
[08:58] <joebaker> There are many LDAP gui tools.   GQ,  Directory Administrator, etc...   I'll try to dig up my notes... There was one Mandriva Corporate server that is GPL that looked promising....
[09:01] <joebaker> http://luma.sourceforge.net/about.html
[09:02] <Burgwork> we don't need an ldap gui tool
[09:02] <Burgwork> we need a user control tool that happens to control ldap users
[09:02] <joebaker> But I still have to say it just doesn't look simple enough.   This user admin stuff needs to be simple enough for an end user to do.
[09:02] <joebaker> Burgwork:  right.
[09:04] <joebaker> Burgwork:  But then there's a config file in the ldap.secret which would need to contain the LDAP admin/root password (or) the tool would ask for that password to pass during updates.
[09:05] <Burgwork> it would make sense that the tool would need to ask for that information
[09:07] <cliebow_> pam_ldap.secret would be readable wouldnt it?
[09:08] <joebaker> Burgwork:  Actually most ldap client machines rarely are given admin power to the LDAP server.  Most entities are given permission to update "self" in some fashion.  So it's like the root password on a server (which is a client of an LDAP server) may not be the admin password of the LDAP service.
[09:09] <Burgwork> we are arguing past each other
[09:10] <joebaker> cliebow_  No, pam_ldap.secret can have restrictive permissions as I recall.  So it's security is addressed via standard Unix style permissions, yet some are still leary of storing a password unencrypted in a file.
[09:10] <cliebow_> cant blam em 8~)
[09:10] <Burgwork> we are talking about changing the users-admin tool to admin ldap users
[09:11] <cliebow_> joebaker: yeah of course..i had it in my head to build the server..
[09:12] <cliebow_> on same machine
[09:14] <joebaker> I just find it very convenient that I can have an older machine acting as the LDAP server, and when I bring up a new LTSP server, it becomes a client of that LDAP server.  So all accounts, an NFS home directory and the like are ready and waiting for users to run with.  I recognize that a large percentage of your schools might just start with one Edubuntu system and won't have seperate NFS & LDAP services.  But for the business I wor
[09:15] <cliebow_> joebaker: yes..
[09:51] <RichEd> hello
[09:51] <RichEd> [09:51] <LaserJock> wahoo
[09:51] <ogra> hey hey
[09:52] <RichEd> LaserJock, Ogra: provisional schedule is here ... just have most of the presentations in so far:
[09:52] <RichEd> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UES-Sevilla/Schedule
[09:53] <RichEd> Once we discuss the tech meeting ideas / topics, I'll arrange those in tomorrow
[09:53] <ogra> i've seen it and advertised UES in my edubuntu talk ....
[09:53] <RichEd> edubuntu talk ?
[09:54] <ogra> its openweek ...
[09:54] <ogra> i told yu about it yesterday
[09:54] <RichEd> okay ... when it that ?
[09:54] <RichEd> *is
[09:54] <ogra> it was 17:00 UTC
[09:54] <ogra> and is on sat 17:00 UTC again
[09:54] <RichEd> okay :) great
[09:55] <ogra> right before sabdfl ....
[09:55] <RichEd> note also that Mark wants us to plan Boton dates (October UDS/UES) and announce to the mail list next week, and start broadcasting for discussion at Secilla
[09:55] <ogra> i had a bunch of questions that would have better been adressed to will or you though
[09:55] <ogra> cool
[09:56] <ogra> nice to know that we're "official" :)
[09:56] <RichEd> I think we'll gear a lot of that one will be aimed at University level ... it is becoming clear from emails and submissions to Ubuntu Live and UES that the university adoption is way higher than we realise
[09:56] <LaserJock> RichEd: looks fun and educational :-)
[09:56] <RichEd> And maturity
[09:57] <LaserJock> cool
[09:57] <RichEd> LaserJock: I also reaslised today that I must take notes of issues people faced when they present on their case studies, and bring those up during the open floor discussion at the end of each day
[09:58] <RichEd> See if others have or had the same problems, and can offer suggested approaches or solutions
[09:58] <RichEd> especially to the soft issues
[09:59] <Monika|K> at my university we use Kubuntu rather than Edubuntu
[09:59] <LaserJock> Monika|K: becuase you all use KDE over there ;-)
[09:59] <RichEd> Monika|K: the summits are aimed at *buntu and Education
[09:59] <RichEd> where organisations add their own applications to the base release
[09:59] <Monika|K> LaserJock also in Germany there are more Ubuntu than Kubuntu users
[10:00] <LaserJock> really?
[10:00] <Monika|K> as far as I know, yes
[10:00] <LaserJock> from the people I talk to it sounds like there are a lot more Kubuntu folks
[10:00] <RichEd> So we hope to learn from them which applications we need to add to Edubuntu to make it improve as a simple education bundle.
[10:00] <Monika|K> at least ubuntuusers.de has about 10 times as many registered users as kubuntu-de.org
[10:01] <RichEd> [10:01] <Monika|K> but then, uu has been around for longer and also covers Kubuntu
[10:01] <Monika|K> so I guess one can't really definitely tell
[10:01] <ogra> yeah
[10:01] <ogra> its hard to tell ...
[10:11] <Burgwork> https://blueprints.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/edubuntu-mass-deployment-management hm
[10:11] <Burgwork> interesting
[10:15] <RichEd> hi Burgwork ... what dates are you around at UDs ? I need to update the wiki list for Claire
[10:15] <Burgwork> RichEd: the full UDS
[10:16] <RichEd> Arrive Sun, leave Sat ?
[10:17] <Burgwork> YES
[10:17] <Burgwork> sorry, yes
[10:18] <LaserJock> no need to yell, shesh ;-)
[10:20] <Burgwork> was filling out a form with a postal code
[10:20] <Burgwork> thus the caps
[10:39] <RichEd> Burgwork: thanks :)
[11:19] <LaserJock> ok wait, are we saying we'll vote on EC on the 16th?
[11:19] <RichEd> LaserJock: yep ... gotta problem with that buddy ?
[11:19] <LaserJock> no
[11:20] <LaserJock> I just didn't know for sure
[11:20] <RichEd> I'm too tired for this ... will cause a ruckus soon
[11:20] <LaserJock> uh oh
[11:20] <LaserJock> good night Richard
[11:21] <bluekuja> goodnight oliver
[11:21] <ogra> that day was way to long for not having a freeze ahead
[11:22] <bluekuja> ogra: I'll kep you updated about that rdesktop problem!
[11:22] <bluekuja> *keep
[11:22] <LaserJock> ogra: I bet
[11:23] <bluekuja> LaserJock:  do you have a minute for that review?
[11:24] <LaserJock> bluekuja: getting there
[11:24] <bluekuja> LaserJock:  you rock man!
[11:24] <bluekuja> :D
[11:25] <bluekuja> i need to restart my internet connection
[11:25] <bluekuja> brb
[12:12] <pygi> LaserJock, :)