[12:30] <DaSkreech> !adeptcrashfix
[12:30] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[12:44] <jdong> is there anything wrong with an SRU closing multiple bugs?
[12:44] <jdong> I'd like to cherrypick all the crasher fixes up to KTorrent 2.1.4 into Feisty
[12:45] <jdong> what a mess to deal with :(
[12:53] <ryanakca> DaSkreech: bash says ryan@sigma
[01:10] <ScottK> jdong: I'd say not, but what do I know.
[01:11] <jdong> ScottK: it just sounds silly to prepare 6 SRU's in a row :)
[04:19] <Ash-Fox>  Where would be the best place for me to write up instructions for installing star office for ubuntu and kubuntu users?
[04:21] <ScottK> Ash-Fox: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[04:23] <Ash-Fox> ScottK, thanks :)
[06:45] <ScottK> Anyone who has bits on gnome panel installed may want to watch out.  See Bug #109843 for my story....
[06:45] <ubotu> Malone bug 109843 in gnome-panel "New Feisty update automatically removes big chunks of KDE" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109843
[08:39] <Burgundavia_> I need somebody reshoot a screenshot, if at all possible
[08:39] <Burgundavia_> it is for the Official Book
[08:41] <Hobbsee> what of?
[08:41] <Hobbsee> oh, i'm not using the standard theme
[08:41] <Burgundavia_> I have no idea
[08:41] <Burgundavia_> default desktop?
[08:41] <Burgundavia_> I can send you the file
[08:48] <tom_> Im running FEISTY GNOME but I prefer KAFFEINE to TOTEM. Since it has much better subtitle support. It takes guite some time for the first time launch of KAFFEINE per session since it has to load all of the KDE-CORE libs. Is it possible to recompile the KDE-CORE libs and somehow compile them just for Kaffeine so they would start faster and put them into /opt/KDE? Afterwards I would just need to recompile kaffeine and choose the --prefix=/opt/
[08:48] <tom_> KDE?
[08:58] <Riddell> tom_: no
[08:58] <Riddell> Burgundavia: ok
[08:59] <Burgundavia> Riddell: stevenk got it for me
[09:00] <tom_> Riddel, so there is no way to speed up the lunch of kaffeine on the first session
[09:00] <Riddell> groovy
[09:00] <Riddell> tom_: not really, otherwise we'd do it already
[09:03] <tom_> Riddel- well KDELIBS support many things so I though it would be possible to disable some features and enable only those that Kaffeine needs?
[09:19] <Riddell> this is cool http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Kubuntu+Feisty+UserList++?content=56914
[09:28] <tom_> riddel- we have a problem over at KUBUNTU. Is prelinking even neccesary in latest feisy? Since Feisty has DT_GNU_HASH which dramatically speeds up the linking process without the need for continuously running this prelink program. This is written here>http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=74197
[09:38] <Riddell> tom_: so what's the problem?
[09:39] <tom_> well does Feisty benefit from installing the 'prelink' package or not? Since according to this thread
[09:39] <tom_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=74197
[09:39] <tom_> it is already using prelinking by default.
[09:42] <Riddell> that forum post says not
[09:44] <tom_> so that forum post is correct? Since over at kubuntu they were persuading me that prelink still must be installed in feisty. and now I do not know what is the truth?
[09:45] <giangy> 'morning
[11:29] <asyd> a
[11:29] <asyd> oups, sorry
[12:21] <_StefanS_> hello there
[12:59] <Tm_T> imbrando1: good session you had last night, thanks sir
[01:03] <imbrando1> Tm_T, thanks
[01:28] <Riddell> imbrandon: you know about comiz?
[01:28] <Riddell> compiz
[01:30] <imbrandon> Riddell, a little bit, not alot, i've only been folloing it since UDS-MTV
[01:31] <imbrandon> following*
[01:31] <kwwii> I would like to know how to get it running in kde
[01:31] <imbrandon> but as of now ( unless someone else steps up ) i'm the packager for it and beryl
[01:32] <Riddell> imbrandon: do you know what the compiz-kde package does?
[01:32] <Riddell> it has a binary in it, but it doesn't seem to do anything
[01:33] <imbrandon> its obsolete now, it did make sane defaults for kde
[01:33] <Riddell> imbrandon: why is it obsolete?
[01:33] <imbrandon> kwwii, feisty just sudo apt-get install beryl and then run beryl-manager
[01:33] <Riddell> imbrandon: how come you're packager for compiz too?  wasn't seb128 doing it?
[01:34] <imbrandon> Riddell, they are merging , so me and seb both are doign it now, beryl and compiz will be one for gutsy
[01:34] <Riddell> right
[01:34] <imbrandon> and its obsolete because beryl-kubuntu will take its place soon ( with a new name )
[01:35] <imbrandon> basicly compiz-kde was davidr's kwin
[01:35] <imbrandon> but its not near complete etc
[01:35] <Riddell> imbrandon: any recommendations on how to answer http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17580/ ?
[01:35] <Riddell> it being from a journalist
[01:36] <imbrandon> plain compiz isnt really fully packaged for KDE in feisty, only beryl
[01:36] <kwwii> imbrandon: but I have compiz installed already
[01:36] <imbrandon> and with beryl you just run beryl-manager, OR plain compiz you can use the gnome themes and such
[01:36] <imbrandon> but its buggy
[01:37] <Riddell> I've installed beryl but have no beryl-manager, only 'beryl' and 'beryl-settings'
[01:38] <imbrandon> hrm one sec you definately should, there might be a dep problem
[01:38] <imbrandon> one sec
[01:38] <Riddell> actually I installed beryl-kubuntu
[01:39] <imbrandon> yea install beryl-manager too
[01:39] <imbrandon> beryl beryl-manager beryl-kubuntu and aquamarine
[01:39] <imbrandon> is the packages Kubuntu needs for a good beryl working nice
[01:39] <Riddell> "Support for non power of two textures missing" bummer, what does that mean?
[01:40] <imbrandon> video driver issue, i /think/ that can be fixed with a xorg.conf setting
[01:40] <imbrandon> but i would have to ask
[01:40] <imbrandon> ATI card?
[01:41] <Riddell> it is yes
[01:41] <imbrandon> k one sec
[01:43] <imbrandon> Riddell, ...
[01:43] <imbrandon> 06:41 < imbrandon> 06:39 < Riddell> "Support for non power of two textures missing" bummer, what does that mean?
[01:44] <imbrandon> 06:41 < imbrandon> ideas?
[01:44] <imbrandon> 06:42 < iXce> his GPU miss an extension
[01:44] <imbrandon> 06:42 < imbrandon> as it wont work at all with that card? WOW
[01:44] <imbrandon> 06:43 < iXce> yeah
[01:44] <imbrandon> 06:43 < iXce> what card is it?
[01:44] <imbrandon> 06:43 < imbrandon> ATI something, lemme check
[01:44] <imbrandon> :(
[01:44] <Riddell> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. S3 Unichrome Pro VGA Adapter (rev 01)
[01:45] <imbrandon> Riddell, come to #beryl-dev with me if you want , kk one sec
[01:45] <imbrandon> ahh thats a S3 , not ATI
[01:45] <imbrandon> hrm
[01:45] <Riddell> true, true
[01:45] <Riddell> oh, it's my laptop that has an ATI
[01:45] <Riddell> this is my desktop
[01:46] <imbrandon> 06:43 < iXce> GL_ARB_texture_non_power_of_two < this is the required extension (glxinfo | grep power)
[01:46] <Riddell> glxinfo | grep power is blank
[01:46] <imbrandon> 06:46 < onestone> glxinfo | grep texture_rectangle
[01:46] <Riddell> also blank
[01:47] <Riddell> do you know what ubuntu uses to let users easily turn on compiz?
[01:48] <imbrandon> 06:47 < iXce> oh yeah
[01:48] <imbrandon> 06:47 < iXce> S3 => impossilbe
[01:48] <imbrandon> 06:47 < iXce> i've got a laptop with a S3 chip here, and it wouldn't work
[01:49] <kwwii> Riddell: desktop effects
[01:49] <kwwii> in the system menu
[01:49] <imbrandon> Riddell, no idea, that was one of my goals for gutsy
[01:49] <kwwii> it works great
[01:49] <imbrandon> is to bring it to us
[01:49] <Riddell> imbrandon: what does /usr/share/beryl-settings-simple/level2.Profile do in beryl-kubuntu?
[01:58] <_StefanS_> imbrandon: what kind of laptop has a S3 graphics adapter ?? a PDA or something :D
[01:59] <Riddell> _StefanS_: why wouldn't laptops have S3?
[02:01] <_StefanS_> Riddell: well just never heard of it :)
[02:09] <Riddell> imbrandon: e-mail sent to jounalist, CCed you
[02:10] <imbrandon> cool ok, and the level2.Profile is our sane-defaults, it eventualy needs to migrate to k-d-s
[02:11] <imbrandon> e.g. not "Full Bling"
[02:11] <Riddell> imbrandon: so for nice KDE integration we really just need a desktop-effects for KDE, then with beryl/compiz merger we want aquamarine in main and we have a compositing window manager without any gtk stuff being brought in?
[02:11] <Riddell> imbrandon: what's in level2.Profile that shouldn't be in the ubuntu defaults too?
[02:12] <imbrandon> yup and no there is one Level2.Profile for Kubuntu and one for Ubuntu as one uses Helidor and one uses Aqusamarine
[02:12] <imbrandon> s/s//
[02:13] <imbrandon> if it was done "right" it would be in k-d-s and u-d-s as an "alternative" but it wasent done that way
[02:13] <Riddell> right
[02:14] <Riddell> imbrandon: there is a berly kcontrol module in aquamarine, do you think the author of that would be interested in extending it to do what desktop-effects does?
[02:15] <imbrandon> he definately would, iirc iXce is the developer , if not i know who it is and can talk to him
[02:15] <Riddell> that seems the sensible place to do it
[02:16] <imbrandon> yea
[02:18] <Riddell> imbrandon: so you were volunteering to do that for gutsy?
[02:20] <imbrandon> Riddell, yup, that was a personal goal of mine anyhow
[02:21] <imbrandon> so i guess its psudo official now :)
[02:21] <Riddell> :)
[02:22] <Riddell> I should talk to quinn about it at UDS too I guess
[02:24] <imbrandon> :P
[02:25] <imbrandon> ok i'm heading to the houes, back in 45 min
[02:25] <imbrandon> house*
[03:12] <Hobbsee> Riddell: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Kubuntu+Feisty+UserList++?content=56914 looks very cool, yes :)
[03:12] <Hobbsee> i'd like to see that in gutsy
[03:17] <_marseillais> +1
[03:28] <Hobbsee> 03:24 <@PriceChild> <stuart_> QUESTION: Kubuntu is a great distro but (IMHO) lacks polish and features compared to Ubuntu. Are there any
[03:28] <Hobbsee>                     plans to bring in more paid Kubuntu developers now or in the future?
[03:28] <Hobbsee> 03:25 <@sabdfl> stuart_: yes, the kubuntu team will expand, but i think kubuntu will always be more independent of canonical, which is in
[03:28] <Hobbsee>                 many was a good thing
[03:28] <Hobbsee> 03:26 <@sabdfl> somethings happen first in ubuntu, because that's where we focus our resources for new releases, other things happen first
[03:28] <Hobbsee>                 in kubuntu, because the decisions there are more bottom-up
[03:28] <Hobbsee> wonder what that's supposed to mean
[03:29] <crimsun> which part?
[03:29] <Hobbsee> all of it?
[03:29] <crimsun> it's definitely a good thing to grow paid kubuntu dev ranks
[03:30] <crimsun> it seems like the sabdfl's way of saying ubuntu remains canonical's distro focus
[03:30] <Hobbsee> yeah.  well, of course it is
[03:30] <Hobbsee> i'm more interested in the idea of growing the kubuntu side
[03:31] <crimsun> j.r might know more? I'm certainly not privy to that info.
[03:32] <Hobbsee> me neither
[03:32] <Riddell> know more what?
[03:32] <Hobbsee> heh,  instantly pinged.  hi Riddell :)
[03:33] <Hobbsee> Riddell: just the answer from -classroom yesterday
[03:33] <Riddell> yep, looks like an answer
[03:33] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:45] <Riddell> certainly was
[03:46] <Riddell> actually when was that?
[03:46] <Hobbsee> ask mark session yesterday
[03:46] <Hobbsee> in #ubuntu-classroom
[03:46] <Riddell> oh yes, I see it now
[03:46] <Hobbsee> 1700utc
[03:49] <Hobbsee> the sessions look interesting
[03:50] <Hobbsee> yay, gutsy is almost open for general upload
[03:52] <Hobbsee> oh neat.  tagging of kde 3.5.7 on april 30.
[03:53] <Riddell> mm, merge and new versions at the same time, painful
[03:53] <crimsun> hmm. "The archive will be open for normal operation
[03:53] <crimsun> around Thursday noon UTC (Mar 26)."
[03:53] <crimsun> please tell me that's a typo
[03:53] <Riddell> and KDE 4 alpha at the same time
[03:54] <Hobbsee> crimsun: heh
[03:54] <Riddell> and leaving for spain that weekend
[03:54] <Riddell> wah
[03:54] <Hobbsee> ooh yeah, even better
[03:54] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:54] <Hobbsee> and how many freaking assignments do i have to get, all due on the 2nd, or fourth of may???
[03:55] <Hobbsee> Riddell: us mere mortals could attempt to help you, if you wanted
[03:55] <Hobbsee> leave kde4 for a while, presumably
[03:57] <Riddell> that would be good, although trick is doing it without duplication or blocking
[03:58] <Hobbsee> Riddell: do it X-style?
[03:58] <Hobbsee> crimsun: can tell you how that was done, if you didnt see it
[03:58] <Riddell> Hobbsee: how's that?
[03:58] <Hobbsee> (seeing as he was involved with it, so probably knows more than i do)
[03:59] <Hobbsee> separate channel, LOCK packageX, UNLOCK it when done, a list of what order to do things
[03:59] <Hobbsee> and a very big whack with the cluebat if someone went out of order, i suspect
[04:00] <imbrandon> the community buildd's can be used for that too if wanted
[04:00] <imbrandon> so you can keep long builds running
[04:00] <Hobbsee> depends how fast they are.  there's also yours
[04:03] <bddebian> Heya
[04:58] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Hiya
[04:58] <DaSkreech> Jucato: MOrning
[04:58] <Hobbsee> hi DaSkreech :)
[05:02] <Riddell> what do you mean again?
[05:02] <alleeHol> Argl.  Some how exiv2_0.12-0ubuntu3 is not in feisty:  Bug 105947
[05:02] <ubotu> Malone bug 105947 in exiv2 "portrait CRW files (EOS 300D) are upside down" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105947
[05:02] <Riddell> alleeHol: yes, it didn't get through I'm afraid
[05:03] <alleeHol> Riddell:  yeah, just noticed the wrong orientation of the test pic in my fresh feisty installation :(
[05:04] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you did once :D
[05:04] <Hobbsee> came onto irc
[05:07] <manchicken> Okay, it looks like ALT-click to move windows has been killed...
[05:08] <manchicken> That's no fun.
[05:08] <manchicken> Anybody know how to put that back on?
[05:09] <Riddell> manchicken: works for me
[05:09] <manchicken> Riddell: It could have just gotten hosed on my machine.  do you know how to set that up again?
[05:09] <manchicken> (though I'm not sure what would have killed it)
[05:09] <Riddell> no idea, it should always happen if you run kwin
[05:10] <manchicken> Hmm...
[05:10] <manchicken> Hmm... I found the settings.
[05:10] <nixternal> manchicken: ctrl+alt+del to get out of MS Windows first ;p
[05:10] <manchicken> It says it's set up...
[05:11] <Jucato> Window Behavior I think
[05:11] <manchicken> nixternal: Damn, keep forgetting that. ;)
[05:11] <nixternal> haha
[05:11] <manchicken> Jucato: Yeah.
[05:11] <Jucato> lol
[05:11] <manchicken> Wonder if kwin is borked.  Let me restart K.
[05:11] <nixternal> today is going to be way to busy, so, I am going to go ahead and get started on it. cya later
[05:11] <jjesse> bye have fun
[05:12] <nixternal> no fun today ;(
[05:12] <jjesse> bummer then
[05:14] <manchicken> It's scary how many KDE features I'm just unable to function without.
[05:14] <manchicken> Damnit, it's still not working.
[05:15] <manchicken> Hmm... there it goes.
[05:15] <manchicken> That's funny.  I didn't change anything.
[05:16] <manchicken> I'm going to blame it on HP.
[05:16] <alleeHol> manchicken: that's what my user always tell me.  Don't beleave it :)
[05:16] <manchicken> Anybody object to that being HP's fault?
[05:16] <manchicken> Ah.  Another good idea.
[05:16] <jjesse> what are we blaming nixternal on?
[05:16] <jjesse> or for?
[05:16] <Jucato> anything :D
[05:16] <jjesse> its raining outside, i blame nixternal
[05:17] <manchicken> My Alt-Click window moving mysteriously disappearing, and then reappearing without any obvious changes having been made.
[05:17] <Jucato> yes. exactly :D
[05:17] <manchicken> jjesse: You've got the hang of it.
[05:17] <manchicken> jjesse: Don't forget to blame Microsoft and Sony while you're at it :)
[05:17] <jjesse> i can't belive billg made it rain outsidde, that bastard, i bet its nixternal's fault
[05:17] <jjesse> is that better?
[05:18] <manchicken> What a jerk.
[05:18] <manchicken> Come on nixternal, quit making this stupid tree drop its little flower petals all over my lawn.  Gosh..
[05:19] <jjesse> bug #109820 i can confirm in feisty, but there is no package assinged against it
[05:19] <ubotu> Malone bug 109820 in Ubuntu "Kubuntu 7.04 "Disk & Filesystems" always crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109820
[05:19] <jjesse> which package would be correct?
[05:20] <Jucato> kde-guidance
[05:20] <Jucato> displayconfig module from kde-guidance
[05:20] <Hobbsee> kde-systemsettings, looking at the title?
[05:20] <Hobbsee> ahh
[05:20] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee! :D
[05:20] <jjesse> thanks Jucato
[05:20] <jjesse> monring Hobbsee
[05:20] <Hobbsee> hi Jucato
[05:20] <Hobbsee> is it guidance?
[05:22] <Jucato> unless it's something caused by systemsettings itself...
[05:22] <Jucato> you can probably test by launching displayconfig by itself
[05:24] <alleeHol> Anyone knows where are the Kubuntu blueprint/specs for UDS.  Lauchpad lists only one spec yet
[05:25] <asyd> anyone know how works kcheckpass ? I have strange problem with it.
[05:26] <Riddell> alleeHol: they're not in launchpad
[05:26] <alleeHol> Riddell: wiki?
[05:26] <Riddell> alleeHol: only a top secret one
[05:27] <Hobbsee> canonical wiki, presumably
[05:27] <Riddell> yes
[05:29] <Riddell> alleeHol: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17624/
[05:31] <alleeHol> Riddell: thx for the list.
[05:41] <mhb> hmm
[05:41] <Riddell> hmm?
[05:42] <mhb> makes me wonder
[05:42] <Riddell> what does?
[05:42] <mhb> the fact that Kubuntu blueprints/specs are hidden from the public
[05:42] <mhb> for the UDS, that is
[05:43] <mhb> is an open development really out of fashion?
[05:43] <Riddell> well they're not, I just put them in that pastebin :)
[05:44] <Riddell> but as for why the sessions for UDS specs are being done in secret for now, I'm not honestly sure
[05:45] <Riddell> canonoical management seems to think that's the best way for this cycle
[05:45] <manchicken> Eh?
[05:45] <Riddell> but specs can be registered on launchpad and there's plenty sessions open for them to be scheduled
[05:46] <Hobbsee> mhb: i was wondering that too.
[05:46] <manchicken> Are we crossing the line from sponsorship and leadership to control?
[05:46] <Riddell> and obviously the specs themselves will be on the wiki
[05:46] <Hobbsee> Riddell: that doesnt help us mere mortals look at the specs, and ponder them before UDS, does it?
[05:46] <manchicken> Or am I missing something?
[05:46] <Hobbsee> well, links to them, in an easy fashion, rather than searching the entire wiki
[05:46] <abattoir> Riddell: anyone working on Kubuntu Accessibility Keyboard? if i may ask?
[05:47] <DaSkreech> Can any Burner in linux span Audio CDs?
[05:47] <Riddell> Hobbsee: there's nothing to look at just now except what I put in that pastebin
[05:47] <Riddell> abattoir: tonio has an interest
[05:47] <abattoir> Riddell: oh, ok, cool :)
[05:47] <Riddell> abattoir: the question is if it should be a port of onboard to qt or using klavier
[05:47] <Riddell> abattoir: I don't know if he plans to work on it, I just said he had an interest
[05:47] <mhb> I really believe you people who are able to ponder on them and will attend will make good decisions ... it's just that I liked to watch the process, now I feel a bit "restricted"
[05:48] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i know that you're not the one making that decision - but it's hard to know that that's the truth, knowing that there's a whole lot of stuff that's canonical only, which really doesnt seem to have such a reason not to be open
[05:49] <Riddell> I don't like that the UDS sessions are being done in secret (for now, obviously that will change before the conference)
[05:49] <Riddell> there is an ask sabdfl slot on the open week in a few hours though
[05:49] <abattoir> :)
[05:49] <mhb> really?
[05:50] <Hobbsee> Riddell: haha.  well, if we can get someone else to ask, that'd be great
[05:50] <mhb> :o)
[05:50] <abattoir> mhb: 1800 UTC
[05:50] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuOpenWeek 2 hours
[05:50] <abattoir> mhb: part of open week
[05:50] <Hobbsee> i'd hope to be asleep by then...
[05:50] <manchicken> Riddell: What do you mean the UDS sessions are done in secret?  Are you just talking about the planning of it?
[05:51] <Riddell> manchicken: that the list of sessions is on a secret canonical wiki and not public
[05:51] <manchicken> Ah.
[05:51] <Riddell> as I say anyone is able to also register on launchpad and they will be schedules in by the automatic timetabler
[05:51] <Riddell> (if they are accepted as normal)
[05:53] <manchicken> That doesn't sound like it makes much sense...
[05:53] <manchicken> But either way.
[05:54] <manchicken> Riddell: People making those decisions do understand that some of the developers are super-cynical "share the information" type folks, don't they?
[05:55] <Riddell> manchicken: yes, of course
[05:56] <manchicken> Riddell: Good.  Just checking :)
[06:03] <Riddell> Hobbsee: should we have a kubuntu meeting before UDS?
[06:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell: might be a plan - but when?
[06:03] <Riddell> (open question, I don't know if it would be useful or not)
[06:03] <Riddell> that is always the sticking point
[06:03] <Hobbsee> i think it'd be a good idea
[06:03] <Hobbsee> but i leave in what...a week...
[06:03] <Hobbsee> hrm
[06:04] <Hobbsee> wednesday night work for you?
[06:04] <Hobbsee> i dont have uni that day - as i'm flying then
[06:04] <Hobbsee> it'll give me something to contemplate
[06:05] <Hobbsee> but i think a meeting would a be a great idea - get that speclist out of the private land, and then get people to explore what they want to see in gutsy, and what they're willing to do.  or what their thoughts are
[06:05] <mhb> I agree with Hobbsee
[06:06] <Hobbsee> Riddell: of course, the sooner that you shoot down the suspicion that the canonical employees have control, and access to info, which mere mortals dont have, the better.
[06:06] <Hobbsee> w.r.t spec writing, and such
[06:06] <DaSkreech> It's closed to only Canonical Employees?
[06:07] <DaSkreech> or project members?
[06:07] <Hobbsee> (if that's the case)
[06:08] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it's not that us mere mortals really want to interfere - we more want to watch, and see hwo the process works, before we do anything with it
[06:08] <DaSkreech> And throw gears in the circle!
[06:09] <Hobbsee> (and it decreases the barrier between the employees versus the mere mortals)
[06:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: to be honest, i dont feel terribly "in step" with what kubuntu's doing at the moment, so i'm not really the one to ask
[06:13] <mhb> so, is anybody going to ask sabdfl about this new policy?
[06:14] <abattoir> mhb: i could ask if i'm awake, but to be honest i don't see it as that big an issue
[06:14] <Hobbsee> what'd i miss?
[06:15] <abattoir> haha, was expecting curses :)
[06:15] <abattoir> nothing much
[06:15] <mhb> Hobbsee: you missed yourself being disconnected, that's all
[06:15] <Hobbsee> oh right
[06:16] <Hobbsee> or my own fingers.  they're the real culprit
[06:17] <yuriy> mhb: what new policy?
[06:17] <kwwii> mhb: I am not sure if I would consider this policy new
[06:21] <mhb> kwwii: weren't the specs completely open last UDS?
[06:22] <mhb> kwwii: at least for Kubuntu
[06:22] <kwwii> mhb: sorry, I misunderstood which policy you were talking about
[06:22] <mhb> kwwii: the one we talked about few minutes ago, the fact that UDS specs are being pondered in a canonical-only wiki
[06:22] <mhb> yuriy: ^^
[06:23] <abattoir> mhb: isn't that only temporary? aren't they going to be moved to LP/Ubuntu wiki before the conference anyways? or am i missing something?
[06:24] <kwwii> the thing is, there are specs on LP already (I guess not for kubuntu though)
[06:24] <kwwii> did anyone say explicitly that no specs should be put on LP by community members?
[06:25] <mhb> kwwii: no
[06:25] <abattoir> mhb: also are those specs those registered by canonical employees? the rest of us can still register specs for discussion in LP right?
[06:25] <Riddell> it's explicitly said that they should
[06:25] <kwwii> so...it seems that it is more a matter of lazy community members (just a joke)
[06:25] <Hobbsee> Riddell: to which?
[06:25] <Riddell> kwwii: not really any yet https://beta.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-sevilla/+specs
[06:26] <Riddell> Hobbsee: people should register specs for sevilla on launchpad if they want to run a session
[06:26] <Riddell> abattoir: yes it's temporary
[06:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: that's probably due to the fact that everyone's been wondering where they are, but because none of teh others have been filed, they think it's in some mystery location which they cant get to.  which appears to be correct...?
[06:26] <Riddell> Hobbsee: could well be
[06:26] <Hobbsee> ie, they assume that the procedure has changed, and that they havent been notified, so are waiting
[06:27] <Hobbsee> that's what i've found, with numerous people asking around.
[06:27] <yuriy> Riddell: is all the stuff you listed for discussion at UDS going to be drafted into specs when you all get there?
[06:28] <Riddell> yuriy: no, the meduxa ones are just discussions, there's three adept ones which might only need one spec I'm not sure
[06:28] <Riddell> but otherwise yes
[06:28] <Hobbsee> these specs would already have various stuff on them, presumably?  which are on the ubuntu wiki?
[06:29] <Riddell> Hobbsee: which?
[06:29] <Hobbsee> the kde ones that will be discussed
[06:29] <yuriy> i guess my question was the same as Hobbsee and so that's a no?
[06:31] <Riddell> I'm not sure I follow
[06:31] <Riddell> the specs themselves will be written on the wiki at UDS
[06:32] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you say "write specs on teh wiki" - but hwo many of htose are already doen, but are on the internal wiki.  ie, will we be duplicating work?
[06:32] <Hobbsee> bah.  i must be getting tired, if my spelling's that bad
[06:33] <DaSkreech> Gnight Hobbsee
[06:33] <Hobbsee> cant go to bed yet - got an assignment due tomorrow
[06:34] <Hobbsee> and work.  somehow i'm on the supervising list again :P
[06:34] <Riddell> Hobbsee: no, nothing has been written yet, it's just a list of session titles that's on the secret wiki (I pastebin'd the kubuntu ones earlier)
[06:34] <Hobbsee> clearly i didnt scare off all my staff by saying "you cant go home until you finish serving all the people, and the store closes".  :P
[06:34] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right.
[06:35] <Hobbsee> so you're planning to file them on that spec page, or they're filed and hidden, or what?
[06:35] <Riddell> mhb: I'm happy to ask sabdfl at the openweek session later if you are uncomfortable doing so
[06:35] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I expect they'll get put into launchpad yes
[06:35] <mhb> Riddell: I don't trust my english today
[06:35] <mhb> Riddell: so it would be nice of you
[06:36] <Riddell> sure
[06:37] <Hobbsee> Riddell: thanks
[06:37] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Slightly off topic. What kind of access would canonical give for the hardwaer database?
[06:38] <DaSkreech> hardware
[06:39] <Riddell> DaSkreech: none as far as I know, the risk of exposing people's personal danger is too high
[06:39] <Riddell> I could be wrong on that though
[06:39] <Riddell> I'm also happy to run queries on the data if you know what you want
[06:39] <marseillai> how can i "open" a rpm to see how it is done to make a debian package ?
[06:39] <Riddell> marseillai: I use alien on the source rpm
[06:39] <Riddell> but there's probably a better way
[06:40] <marseillai> i'll try Riddell
[06:40] <marseillai> i was trying to open it with ark
[06:41] <DaSkreech> Riddell: I was interested in it for Knoware
[06:41] <Riddell> DaSkreech: what's that?
[06:42] <DaSkreech> Riddell: http://developer.kde.org/summerofcode/knoware.html
[06:42] <marseillai> sudo alien --to-tgz manslide-1.5-alt1.1.src.rpm thanks riddell
[06:42] <mhb> one more offtopic question - what is the policy for the on-line conference talks during UDS? I mean - people like me will be allowed to join the room (probably), but is it okay to talk? Or does it disturb the people really there?
[06:43] <mhb> join through voip
[06:43] <Hobbsee> mhb: depends how good the connectoin is, and how it works.  "we'll see" is usually the answer
[06:43] <mhb> okay
[06:44] <mhb> it's not that I want to disturb much :o) just the kde4-guidance discussion affects me a bit, so I'd like to join
[06:44] <Hobbsee> mhb: listening is no problem, assuming it works
[06:44] <Hobbsee> mhb: sometimes we takl - depends what it is
[06:45] <Riddell> talking if fine in theory, in practice it depends if the speaker and room is any good
[06:45] <Hobbsee> but most of the time it's just a black hole of nothingness, for the non-attendees, if the room isnt good.
[06:45] <Riddell> you can also poke us on irc
[06:45] <Hobbsee> that's what i found, anyway
[06:46] <yuriy> so we can listen live and then poke on IRC?
[06:46] <Hobbsee> yes, lovely windows will bring a *great* sense of environment to your room.  as will the glass ceiling.  but it's not good for accoustic!
[06:46] <allee> yuriy: yes.  That what I did
[06:46] <Hobbsee> yuriy: assuming the wifi works in the hotel :P
[06:47] <Hobbsee> allee: did you get spads to help you?
[06:47] <allee> Hobbsee: spads?
[06:48] <Hobbsee> allee: canonical sysadmin guy, decent with all this stuff
[06:48] <Hobbsee> they were doing registrations / testing for the VOIP last time
[06:48] <Hobbsee> and announcing it thru the dev channels
[06:48] <allee> Hobbsee: responsible admins tried to help.  But the hardware was to lousy.  It's not the echo of the room.
[06:48] <Hobbsee> ah right, fair enough
[06:49] <Hobbsee> allee: we should have traded.  that way, i had a legit excuse not to speak, and you could have :P
[06:49] <allee> Hobbsee: only solution would have been that everyone would use headphones.  I did but not the guys at google
[06:49] <allee> :)
[06:49] <Hobbsee> true that
[06:50] <allee> Hobbsee: no.  you have to speak.  Let's see how you kick people without a long stick :)
[06:50] <allee> s/see/hear/
[06:50] <Hobbsee> allee: awww.  but i'm immediately obvious, when i'm using the VOIP
[06:50] <Hobbsee> in person it doesnt seem to be such a shock
[06:52] <besonen_mobile> any ghost users here?  i just restored a kubuntu ghost image (on a dual-boot winxp laptop) only to have grub fail on reboot with an "error 15" message.  i could use some guidance in remedying this situation.
[06:52] <besonen_mobile> i have asked for help in #kubuntu but no ghost users spoke up.  i'm asking here because i'm hoping that someone may be able to give me very a very pointed suggestion (since i only have about 10 minutes to fix the problem or bail on it for two days - something i'd rather not do).
[06:52] <besonen_mobile> fwiw, i read thru the documentation at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows and followed the recovery procedure.  unfortunately my situation doesn't map to the outlined steps.  per step 4 on the above web page in the first section (Using the Desktop/LiveCD while preserving Windows Bootloader), when i type "find /boot/grub/stage1" the message returned is "Error 15: File not found" rather t
[06:52] <besonen_mobile> han something like "(hd0)" that the recovery instructions stated would be returned.
[06:52] <besonen_mobile> again, any help would be greatly appreaciated.  i'm hopping into the shower right now.  when i get out i'll read any replies.  peace, david
[06:52] <Hobbsee> allee: heh
[06:53] <Hobbsee> eep, large, unrelated paste in the middle of a conversation...
[06:54] <Hobbsee> besonen_mobile: have you looked up the documentation on error 15: file not found, particularly on the gentoo sites?  they're known to be very comprehensive for grub errors
[07:02] <Hobbsee> jjesse: that menu editing bug seems to be a PEBKAC error - well, a config file.  i'm not sure what
[07:02] <Hobbsee> 's creating the bad config, though
[07:02] <Hobbsee> but on a clean config, it *should* be working
[07:02] <Hobbsee> which is why it's set to needsinfo
[07:03] <Hobbsee> (or was)
[07:08] <jjesse> Hobbsee: should i set it back to needs info?
[07:08] <Hobbsee> jjesse: *shrug*
[07:09] <Hobbsee> jjesse: nah, leave it as is, probably
[07:09] <Hobbsee> ie "what more info do you want?"  "I dont know, i dont know where the problem is"
[07:19] <DaSkreech> Heehee
[07:27] <allee> besonen_mobile: fwiw I've shutdown my edgy box, booted with feisty desktop CDROM  and find /boot/grub/stage1 immeidately returned (hd0,2)  <- my root partition.  So for me it works
[07:28] <besonen_mobile> allee:  when i look in /boot there is no grub directory.  it would seem that symantect ghost failed to back this directory up (even though i imaged the /boot partition).
[07:31] <jjesse> another bug triag question:  bug 108725
[07:31] <ubotu> Malone bug 108725 in Ubuntu "Kubuntu password stars" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/108725
[07:32] <jjesse> is a question about the size of the stars when replacing passwords, this was changed due to usability request correct?
[07:33] <Riddell> jjesse: no
[07:34] <Riddell> it's because qt's font handling randomly lost the ability to render the larger black circle
[07:36] <jjesse> so is it an open bug or something else?
[07:38] <Riddell> jjesse: it's open
[07:38] <Riddell> allee: with what OS?
[07:38] <allee> Feisty of course
[07:39] <allee> building pkgs is fun now (at least for a while)
[07:43] <fdoving> kvm is cool.
[07:47] <DaSkreech> fdoving: Which?
[07:47] <fdoving> the 'kvm' in feisty.
[07:47] <DaSkreech> ok
[07:47] <fdoving> Description: Full virtualization on x86 hardware
[07:48] <DaSkreech> on Virtualized x86 hardware
[07:48] <fdoving> yeah.
[07:48] <fdoving> that's the cool part :)
[07:52] <mhb> jjesse: the bug with font rendering is actually in one of the Debian's patches
[07:52] <DaSkreech> fdoving: Seen 2.6.21
[07:52] <DaSkreech> VMware put in code for VMI
[07:52] <jjesse> mhb ok, so should i link the two somehow?
[07:53] <fdoving> DaSkreech: oh. nice. haven't tried vmware yet.
[07:53] <fdoving> (.. for some years, that is.)
[07:54] <mhb> jjesse: I am not sure where the first bug is
[07:54] <mhb> jjesse: I can't find it
[07:54] <mhb> jjesse: but it's practically the same thing as in the bugreport you posted now
[07:54] <jjesse> mhb: ok i will try and track it down
[08:15] <DaSkreech> Woah
[08:15] <DaSkreech> Feisty is really messing with me :-(
[08:26] <fdoving> DaSkreech: messing with what?
[08:26] <DaSkreech> I don't know
[08:27] <DaSkreech> It went nnuts
[08:27] <DaSkreech> it's remapping my shortcut keys for apps
[08:27] <DaSkreech> It's crashing apps left and right
[08:27] <DaSkreech>  I've had kate crash twice konqueror crash four times
[08:27] <DaSkreech> kdeinit crash
[08:28] <fdoving> ouch.
[08:28] <fdoving> i've had no problems.
[08:28] <DaSkreech> it just went nuts
[08:28] <fdoving> been running it for ages.
[08:28] <DaSkreech>  well this is the first time that I've booted into the .20 kernel
[08:28] <DaSkreech> I've been using the 17 kernel before this
[08:46] <mhb> Riddell: thanks for asking
[08:47] <Riddell> mhb: I'm not sure what he's looking at on launchpad for the proposed list
[08:47] <giangy> 'evening
[08:48] <mhb> Riddell: me neither
[08:49] <mhb> but there's not much we can do with it now - maybe the next cycle will be "open" again
[09:03] <DaSkreech> Anyone asked mark abotu the UDS?
[09:05] <mhb> DaSkreech: yes
[09:05] <mhb> DaSkreech: Jonathan has
[09:05] <DaSkreech> What was the ersponse?
[09:05] <DaSkreech> response?
[09:05] <DaSkreech> I just got back from lunch
[09:08] <mhb> he said he sees the list of proposed features on Launchpad (which was strange as we don't) and then mentioned that UDS will be open/transparent for all
[09:09] <DaSkreech> ok did he give a time for that?
[09:11] <mhb> DaSkreech: no, but IMHO it should be open as the UDS starts, that is 2007-05-06
[09:11] <DaSkreech> Ok
[09:14] <nixternal> quit blaming me ;p
[09:14] <marseillai> fdoving: i've succed to do my manslide package! :D
[09:15] <marseillai> but now i need to include some icon in my package wich are not in the source. Someonte told me it's bad to put .png in /debian/ but i don't know how to do else
[09:28] <fdoving> marseillai: yes, it's advisable to uuencode it. then use uudecode to decode it in debian/rules
[09:29] <marseillai> fdoving: done
[09:29] <marseillai> normalement
[09:29] <fdoving> marseillai: #ubuntu-motu should be experts at this.
[09:29] <marseillai> fdoving: i've change them in .xpm
[09:29] <marseillai> arf
[09:29] <marseillai> and i've make a mistake
[09:29] <marseillai> i've not change my .desktop to change .png in .xppm
[09:29] <marseillai> xpm
[09:30] <nixternal> Riddell: I see your notes about WinFOSS. I have actually stripped the CD and created a custom one for my LUG. Putting a simple guide on there will be a breeze
[09:33] <DaSkreech> nixternal: :)
[09:33] <nixternal> quit smiling at me ;)
[09:33] <nixternal> I am sure it is my fault
[09:33] <DaSkreech> You caused it
[09:34] <nixternal> can you believe that some very large company makes you do a psych test and physical before the 2nd interview?
[09:34] <nixternal> I was in with a goofy dr. this morning with the most obsurred questions I have ever been asked
[09:35] <nixternal> though he didn't think it was funny, he asked about fantasizing and what I fantasize about. My answer was the Chicago Cubs winning the world series
[09:35] <nixternal> when he said seriously, I almost said Linux ruling the world?
[09:40] <DaSkreech> Armies!!!
[09:40] <DaSkreech> Armies of Penguins !!
[09:40] <nixternal> hehe
[09:41] <DaSkreech> Sharing with each other the secrets of efficiency and friendliness while they crush walruses with the sheer number of them gathering
[09:41] <DaSkreech> Tearing down all walls and fences where they go!!!
[09:41] <DaSkreech> I'm sorry what was the question?
[09:42] <DaSkreech> What do you mean you'll call me?
[09:44] <nixternal> Breaking through windows and tearing down gates
[09:44] <Riddell> yay, _Sime is coming to akademy
[09:45] <_Sime> jep, it is organised. just have to find money for the acco.
[09:46] <Riddell> you can ask e.v. if it's a problem
[09:46] <Riddell> but we need to know by monday
[09:52] <_Sime> Riddell: can you use credit cards on paypal?
 QUESTION: Kubuntu is a great distro but (IMHO) lacks polish and features compared to Ubuntu. Are there any plans to bring in more paid Kubuntu developers now or in the future?
[09:53] <giangy>     *
[09:53] <giangy> mh, this sux.
[09:53] <giangy>       yes, the kubuntu team will expand, but i think kubuntu will always be more independent of canonical, which is in many was a good thing. somethings happen first in ubuntu, because that's where we focus our resources for new releases, other things happen first in kubuntu, because the decisions there are more bottom-up
[09:53] <Riddell> _Sime: yes
[09:53] <Tm_T> giangy: yes?
[09:53] <Tm_T> giangy: we are all days bottoms up, if that's what you're asking
[09:54] <giangy> Tm_T: kubuntu needs more grateful for the work done.
[09:55] <Dekans> c'est bien lsb_release pour avoir le nom de la version d'ubuntu ?
[09:55] <giangy> (in my opinion)
[09:55] <Dekans> oups sorry wrong chan :/
[09:56] <DaSkreech> giangy: I think we get lots of love
[09:56] <DaSkreech> just from the bottom up :)
[09:56] <giangy> heh
[09:58] <Tm_T> (--:
[09:58] <mhb> Riddell: by the way, will there be any "polish and features compared to Ubuntu" discussion in UDS?
[09:59] <mhb> Riddell: see the giangy's message above
[09:59] <giangy> (I paste it from the Q&A session)
[10:01] <mhb> giangy: I understand that. Truth is that I keep hearing about the "not-so-polished" Kubuntu from more and more sides
[10:02] <giangy> mhb: me too
[10:07] <DaSkreech> kate crashes again :(
[10:07] <mhb> giangy: feedback from users is important. However, it is hard for the real developers ( i.e. not me :o) to decide what the users desire and what is noise
[10:09] <giangy> mhb: without doubts, but I don't like that Kubuntu is considered less important or "it lacks polish and features" than Gnome (Ubuntu)
[10:10] <giangy> it's subjective, imho
[10:10] <giangy> only this, mhb :-/
[10:11] <marseillai> fdoving: if i put on my ftp my manslide package can you check it and tell me what you think about it? there's only one problem i've seen! i've remove a version dependency on imagemagick to be able to install it on feisty
[10:12] <mhb> giangy: the other problem is that "lacking polish" is really abstract. The devs (and people using Kubuntu for a long time) are used to the interface, so they need to be told what exactly is incorrect
[10:13] <DaSkreech> mhb: I like the polish of Kubuntu so far
[10:13] <DaSkreech> in terms of style
[10:13] <ScottK> Personally, I like Kubuntu as it is.  (I'm not a dev)
[10:14] <giangy> mhb: exactly, it's *really* abstract.
[10:14] <giangy> ScottK: me too (and I'm only a Kubuntu user)
[10:15] <ScottK> In many cases Ubuntu gets a new feature, there are lots of bugs and pain and then Kubuntu gets it next release and it's much less painful.  This is not so bad.
[10:16] <DaSkreech> ScottK: That's not polish. In that kase Kubuntu would be more polished
[10:18] <mhb> it's hard to say what "polish" really is - except for stuff that comes from Poland
[10:19] <DaSkreech> Or kiwi
[10:19] <mhb> when it comes to "UI polish", I believe Kubuntu needs some more love
[10:21] <mhb> less clutter, more transitions between elements (logging out is a pain)
[10:24] <mhb> I really think there should be a discussion about which parts of the OS could and should be "polished" for Gutsy
[10:26] <DaSkreech> I wouldn't mind having two cds .. a wild man one and the officail
[10:32] <DaSkreech> kicker just crashed
[10:33] <ScottK> The real issue I think is that KDE 3 is essentially in bugfix mode while we wait for KDE 4.  Given that, lack of lots of new wizbang is pretty much a given.  You want wildman, go install KDE 4...
[10:34] <DaSkreech> ScottK: Well.. yeah that's why we would have a wildman
[10:35] <DaSkreech>  have a KDE4/KDE3 crazy things CD
[10:35] <DaSkreech> make sure it's kinda seen as a dev CD
[10:35] <DaSkreech> Even when KDE4 ships and becomes Kubuntu default we can try things like Compositing or apps that didn't quite make the deadline on it
[10:37] <\sh> problem of Kubuntu is still, less paid devs for UI and too many wishlists from Community.
[10:37] <\sh> it's not a kde 3/4 problem..it's a problem of resources
[10:38] <DaSkreech> Well yeah but we only really deal with KDE stuff
[10:38] <\sh> and yeah, I do believe, Mark should stay to his promise for more paid KDE devs, but I don't see it happen in the future very soon.
[10:39] <DaSkreech> A lot of the other things we inherit
[10:39] <fdoving> it's not like a payed developer or two could re-design kde from the ground up in a few months anyway.
[10:40] <fdoving> let's wait for/hack kde4 :)
[10:40] <DaSkreech> :-)
[10:40] <\sh> fdoving, kde4 will be usable in 2 years time, just like kde3 in the beginning
[10:40] <fdoving> \sh: so in the meantime let's redesign kde3? :)
[10:40] <\sh> fdoving, and it has to do with "more resources into KDE coding for kubuntu"
[10:41] <\sh> fdoving, I want a LTS release with a really nice working KDE desktop, with a working IMAP solution for Kmail e.g.
[10:41] <fdoving> more resources to KDE.
[10:41] <\sh> and not a crashing desktop every 5 minutes, which I can't fix, because IMAP is broken in kmail
[10:42] <DaSkreech> What do they call not finished/polished ?
[10:42] <\sh> taking the imap stack from sylpheed-claws-gtk2 and morphing it into kmail that's a task
[10:42] <fdoving> don't think that will ever happen.
[10:43] <\sh> fdoving, why not? what is the reason for it?
[10:44] <\sh> KDE takes patches from saphari for konqui ... regarding html, why not reuse code from other projects, which is visible better then KDEs own implementation?
[10:45] <\sh> but, I agree, it's a general problem of KDE and other projects, not concentrating on actual problems, but thinking and implementing new hotstuff ;)
[10:45] <DaSkreech> GHNS ?
[10:46] <\sh> GHNS? meaning?
[10:48] <Riddell> mhb: we have an open KDE sessions scheduled for stuff like that, but such sessions can be hard because items are hard to pin down
[10:49] <DaSkreech> Get Hot New Stuff
[10:49] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: you got me
[10:49] <\sh> DaSkreech, for people using a desktop in a real working env, really hot new stuff is not interessting, but working hot stuff is a good deal,
[10:50] <DaSkreech> Tm_T: I did ?
[10:51] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: hey, you asked Hot New Stuff, and I'm on fire!1
[10:51] <\sh> Tm_T, lol
[10:51] <Tm_T> ok, I should get some sleep =)
[10:52] <Tm_T> had long day promoting Linux and F/OSS in overall
[10:52] <Tm_T> more tomorrow :)
[10:53] <\sh> just because there are 12k desktops waiting for a working desktop...and germany is kde, not gnome ;)
[10:53] <DaSkreech> Isn't that mailody?
[10:53] <DaSkreech> or  have I not been paying attention?
[10:54] <\sh> DaSkreech, can it deal with 4G mailspools...and not crashing all the time when someone tries to delete more than 100 mails from imap?
[10:55] <DaSkreech> Ok this is silly everything is crashing one after another
[10:55] <\sh> that's my problem right now, that's why I'm using sylpheed-claws, because it's not crashing
[10:55] <Dekans> hello, does anyone handle kcontrol-autostart ?
[10:56] <giangy> \sh: i'm using thunderbird too because kmail can't deal with 5G mailspools
[10:57] <\sh> giangy, yeah on windows I'm using thunderbird, too, but the usabilty of TB is a mess....
[10:57] <Tm_T> hmm
[10:57] <giangy> \sh: yep, TB usability isn't good
[10:58] <\sh> kmail is much better in this, but crashing..and I don't know where to fix it in the code...a mess :(
[10:58] <Dekans> kcontrol-autostart is completely useless sinc dapper
[10:58] <Dekans> since*
[10:58] <giangy> \sh: who is the KDE-PIM guy behind Kmail?
[10:59] <giangy> TIll Adam?
[10:59] <giangy> (I'm reading http://dot.kde.org/1116452031/ )
[10:59] <yuriy> kmail is angering me lately. because "reply" puts the mailing list in the "to" and not the sender
[11:00] <\sh> giangy, don sanders?
[11:00] <Tm_T> yuriy: well that's conigurable IIRC
[11:01] <yuriy> Tm_T: is that so? i'll have a look. though too late now :(
[11:01] <giangy> \sh: can't we speak with don? :-)
[11:01] <giangy> (but I think that he know the IMAP problems..)
[11:01] <Tm_T> giangy: #kontact ? (:
[11:01] <yuriy> imap problems?
[11:01] <\sh> giangy, the problems are well known, and there are several bug reports about it
[11:01] <DaSkreech> And everything crashes :(
[11:02] <Tm_T> doesn't crash here
[11:02] <Tm_T> winterz fixed my "last" crash issue <3
[11:02] <DaSkreech> I didn't have any crash issues outside of Kopete
[11:02] <\sh> giangy, as I said, the problem are resources, we had talks about it during last linuxtag 2006
[11:03] <DaSkreech> Guess it's time to go back to .17 kernel
[11:03] <yuriy> Tm_T: can't find where to configure that
[11:09] <Tm_T> yuriy: let me check
[11:15] <Tm_T> yuriy: hmh, can't find it now, I remember seen something like "send reply to sender instead of mailinglist" tickbox
[11:19] <ScottK> I certainly agree that having kmail IMAP not suck would be a good thing.
[11:26] <marseillai> how can i remove klauncher historic ?
[11:53] <MrWGW-> well I'm thrilled to report that I have Ubuntu running on my Mac Mini on a LiveCD
[11:53] <MrWGW-> all I need to do now is install and then add Kubuntu
[11:55] <Riddell> :)
[12:00] <DaSkreech> alternate Cd?