[12:13] <nutshell42> Whiz2: swap partition: you don't need to copy anything
[12:14] <nutshell42> just create a new one
[12:14] <Whiz2> ok
[12:14] <Whiz2> how likely is it that the new partition will fail to boot?
[12:14] <nutshell42> linux system: yes, I did it once, look at the cp man page for features that keep the attributes
[12:14] <nutshell42> especially owner and permissions
[12:14] <Whiz2> cp?
[12:15] <nutshell42> CoPy
[12:15] <jpattie_> kristjan_, rerun lsof looking for /dev/snd
[12:15] <nutshell42> unix commands often leave out the vowels
[12:15] <pidgee> thanks... the upgrade have now started
[12:15] <Layer8> someone with problems using external usb storages with feisty?
[12:15] <pidgee> I just wondered to need so much free space on disk
[12:16] <nutshell42> Whiz2: cp -rp could do it
[12:16] <Whiz2> ok
[12:17] <nutshell42> cp -rx --preserve=all / /destination-dir
[12:17] <nutshell42> should do it
[12:19] <Whiz2> nutshell42: no need to specify what files? and i guess i should do that from / ? (keep in mind that /media/hdc1 is my web server drive and i DON'T want that copied)
[12:19] <nutshell42> argh, no, forgot the *
[12:19] <nutshell42> and -x prevents it from switching devices
[12:19] <Whiz2> where do I put the *?
[12:20] <Whiz2> right after cp?
[12:20] <nutshell42> cp -rx --preserve=all /* /destination-dir
[12:20] <nutshell42> best try it with a different dir first
[12:20] <Whiz2> ok I'll run that as sudo
[12:20] <nutshell42> something smaller, /usr/local or so
[12:20] <nutshell42> cp -rx --preserve=all /usr/local/* /destination-dir
[12:21] <Whiz2> i wouldn't know what to check for afterwards
[12:21] <nutshell42> mount the destination drive below /usr/local/destination, and then look whether it keeps the attributes and doesn't hang in a loop
[12:22] <Whiz2> well i have to mount it anyway to cp don't I?
[12:23] <nutshell42> Whiz2: yes, I meant you should mount it somewhere to /usr/local/<something>, so you can see whether cp doesn't change drives
[12:23] <comosicus> i cant see when i-m inited on webcam...i'm using kopete...."error 14-17'...what it means......what shoud i do?
[12:25] <dettoaltrimenti> does anyone here use moc?
[12:26] <Whiz2> nutshell42: have you done this before?
[12:26] <nutshell42> comosicus: I've no experience with webcams, but you could try to start kopete from konsole
[12:26] <shawn34> looking for a guide to help turning off unwanted/unneeded proccesses in ubuntu feisty, can anyone help?
[12:27] <comosicus> how do i do that/
[12:27] <nutshell42> Whiz2: copied /? Yes, a number of times, but not often enough that I know the command by heart =)
[12:27] <nutshell42> but "cp -rx --preserve=all /* /destination-dir" should do it
[12:27] <scott> hey folks, Im trying to install Apache, and I get an error that says "C compiler can not create executables". Im thinking this is related to a bad install of gcc.  But adept doesnt list GCC in it. Where do I look for these kinds of packagaes?
[12:27] <Whiz2> ok then I will simply try the command from / as sudo and if it doesn't work, then i still have the original drive lol
[12:27] <nutshell42> comosicus: alt+f2, write "konsole" hit enter; then write "kopete" and hit enter at the command prompt
[12:28] <comosicus> thanks
[12:28] <Whiz2> nutshell42: should work if I type sudo cp -rx --preserve=all /* /dev/hdb1 right?
[12:29] <nutshell42> comosicus: don't thank me yet, it probably won't help all that much
[12:29] <nutshell42> no
[12:29] <nutshell42> you have to mount the destination dir
[12:29] <comosicus> :))))
[12:29] <nutshell42> *destination drive
[12:29] <comosicus> thanks
[12:29] <shawn34> anyone?
[12:29] <nutshell42> and then enter the dir where you mounted it
[12:29] <Whiz2> then I would send it to the mount point instead?
[12:29] <nutshell42> i.e. mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/tmp
[12:29] <nutshell42> cp -rx --preserve=all /* /mnt/tmp
[12:30] <Whiz2> i get the error that the mount point does not exist when I try to mount the drive
[12:30] <wolferine> need help wth my Epson CX5000 scanner, i cannot scan using xsane, its not recognizing the devices?
[12:31] <nutshell42> Whiz2: the dir /mnt/tmp has to exist; mkdir /mnt/tmp
[12:31] <Whiz2> nutshell42: all my stuff mounts to /media
[12:31] <nutshell42> then mount it there and change the command accordingly
[12:31] <nutshell42> that doesn't matter
[12:32] <nutshell42> i.e. where the destination dir is located
[12:32] <Whiz2> that's where it said the mount point doesn't exist lol
[12:32] <ubuntu_> sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /temp/hdb1
[12:32] <nutshell42> then you have to create the dir where you want to mount it
[12:32] <ubuntu_> why is this not working for me?
[12:32] <nutshell42> ubuntu_: what's the error-msg?
[12:32] <Whiz2> oh i habe to make the dir first??
[12:32] <aro> ubuntu_, no one knows why unless you paste the error
[12:32] <aro> :)
[12:32] <Whiz2> have*
[12:32] <ubuntu_> sudo mkdir /tmp/hdb1   <--- I followed it with this command
[12:32] <nutshell42> Whiz2: yes
[12:33] <Whiz2> ok
[12:33] <nutshell42> ubuntu_: then try mount again, you have to create the dir first
[12:33] <ubuntu_> mount: mount point /temp/hdb1 does not exist
[12:33] <Whiz2> do i have to mkdir as root?
[12:33] <Ginja_Ninja> does anybody have any idea why my mouse would freeze every time i use voip software. This happens on all different programs
[12:33] <aro> You have to make that directory
[12:33] <aro> If you want to mount there
[12:33] <ubuntu_> ok thanks
[12:33] <nutshell42> ubuntu_: you used "temp" in one case and "tmp" in the other
[12:33] <Whiz2> sudo mkdir /media/hdb1 <--?
[12:34] <wolferine> Ginja_Ninja, is it a USB mouse, and the voip usb as well?
[12:34] <Ginja_Ninja> yes
[12:34] <aro> ubuntu_, like nutshell42 said, you used /tmp and /temp
[12:34] <nutshell42> Whiz2: if you have to create it anyway, use /mnt
[12:34] <aro> Which do you want to use
[12:34] <wolferine> Ginja_Ninja, thats a strong hint then
[12:34] <nutshell42>  /media has some wacky autmagical stuff going on iirc
[12:34] <Ginja_Ninja> wolferine: bandwidth ?
[12:35] <Whiz2> i don't want to use /tmp or /temp i wanna use /media like Linux defaults to
[12:35] <aro> Then make a directory in /media and mount it there
[12:35] <nutshell42> Whiz2: why would you care where you mount your drive temporarily
[12:35] <Whiz2> cuz i'm picky lol
[12:35] <nutshell42> Whiz2: it's not like the kgb will hold a gun to your head unless you keep using it forever
[12:35] <wolferine> Whiz2, man mount
[12:35] <wolferine> read it
[12:36] <wolferine> took me a bit to figure them out myself
[12:36] <Whiz2> my question is should I sudo the mkdir command, or do it without sudo?
[12:36] <wolferine> and learn about nfs, takes about an hour
[12:36] <bobleny> !kde
[12:36] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu:  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop , or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE version is 3.5.6 for Feisty and Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.
[12:36] <nutshell42> sudo
[12:36] <wolferine> if you want to know most of it
[12:36] <Whiz2> ty nutshell42
[12:36] <Ginja_Ninja> wolferine: just thought it would be too much for the usb connection
[12:36] <wolferine> Ginja_Ninja, each area seperate USB connection
[12:36] <nutshell42> Whiz2: the cp too; you need root access for all of this
[12:37] <Ginja_Ninja> wolferine: because it all comes back to life when the call ends
[12:37] <Daisuke_Ido> finally finding time to go through the dozen or so spindles of buned cds i have lying around.  kinda interesting what you find, things you'd completely forgotten, things you wish you'd forgotten...
[12:37] <wolferine> Ginja_Ninja, its hogging the same /dev maybe
[12:37] <bobleny> Hey, I got this error. I don't know what to do. Xsession: warning: unable to write to /temp; x session may exit with an error
[12:37] <Ginja_Ninja> wolferine: hmm, whats the best way of checking that?
[12:37] <nutshell42> Daisuke_Ido: I just wait until I can't remember what's on all those cds and then throw them out
[12:37] <the-erm> bobleny: does /temp exist?
[12:37] <nutshell42> I've yet to miss any of them
[12:38] <nutshell42> =)
[12:38] <wolferine> Ginja_Ninja, read about USB in /dev maybe?
[12:38] <bobleny> IDK
[12:38] <Whiz2> nutshell42: cp in progress... should take quite some time...
[12:38] <bobleny> I'm sure it did...
[12:38] <nutshell42> Whiz2: yes it should
[12:38] <Ginja_Ninja> wolferine: Ok, thanks
[12:38] <nutshell42> Whiz2: open another tab in konsole
[12:38] <the-erm> what's the best place to send *really* stupid new kubuntu users?
[12:38] <nutshell42> Whiz2: type df
[12:38] <wolferine> still looking for scanner help..... anyone?
[12:38] <Whiz2> specially since is a very slow cpu
[12:38] <shawn34> sysv-rc-conf in feisty... does it work the same as in dapper? i read that edgy uses a different method of starting services so not all changes made in sysv-rc-conf take effect?
[12:38] <wolferine> the-erm, here, or #ubuntu
[12:38] <the-erm> wolferine: I was hoping for a web page or something.
[12:39] <wolferine> the-erm, google "ubuntu guide"
[12:39] <nutshell42> Whiz2: that gives you an indication on how much you've copied already and how much is left
[12:39] <wolferine> that should help
[12:39] <Whiz2> ok
[12:39] <Whiz2> nutshell42: know anything about exim4?
[12:39] <firestarter> join #c
[12:39] <firestarter> sorry
[12:40] <nutshell42> Whiz2: "while [ 1 ] ; do clear; df -h; sleep 1s; done" and you can follow progress in real-time
[12:40] <nutshell42> no
[12:40] <shawn34> damn, no one wants to help me with this lol, is there a better channel to help with this?
[12:40] <Whiz2> shawn34: what's your problem?
[12:41] <shawn34> Whiz2, im running feisty on an older laptop, (don't want xubuntu) looking for a good guide or somthing to help speed things up... like turning off specific services and such
[12:41] <nutshell42> shawn34: afaik it still uses rc*.d to start/stop services
[12:41] <the-erm> wolferine: the problem telling someone to google ubuntu is that synaptic is used for packages in gnome, and adept_manager is used for packages in kubuntu.
[12:41] <Whiz2> does anyone in here know anything about exim4?
[12:41] <wolferine> the-erm, I answered your question
[12:41] <the-erm> Yes I'm dealing with someone that dumb.
[12:41] <Whiz2> shawn34: sorry i can't help with feisty as i'm still using dapper
[12:42] <nutshell42> honestly, why don't you just try removing some not needed services from that dirs and then come back if it *doesn't* work =)
[12:42] <hossy> hi, i'm having issues with sound on my hp dv2035us laptop.  i'm running ubuntu 7.04.  sound was no issue when i had 6.10 installed.  http://pastebin.ca/456611  any help would be greatly appreciated.
[12:42] <wolferine> the-erm, your reply, implies, that you didnt do what I suggested
[12:43] <dettoaltrimenti> when setting the default program to open files, can you not use options like you can on the command line?
[12:43] <Whiz2> nutshell42: cp keeps telling me that some files cannot be opened for cp operation, and so the operation is not permitted
[12:43] <the-erm> Actually I googled "kubuntu guide" :)
[12:43] <the-erm> then ubuntu guide.
[12:43] <nutshell42> Whiz2: that could be a problem, or not, depending on the files
[12:43] <wolferine> the-erm, you need to follow directions better :)
[12:44] <wolferine> Whiz2, permissions
[12:44] <Whiz2> nutshell42: /proc/kcore is one of them
[12:44] <nutshell42> no problem
[12:44] <the-erm> It doesn't matter.  I'm screwed anyways.  I've got another time bandit in my life.
[12:44] <Whiz2> wolferine: what about them? i used cp with root access
[12:45] <nutshell42> all of /proc is no problem; I'm surprised it tries to copy it and doesn't see it as different filesystem
[12:45] <Whiz2> nutshell42: what is /proc/*?
[12:45] <nutshell42> system information
[12:45] <Whiz2> will it remake those?
[12:45] <Whiz2> when i boot the new drive that is
[12:45] <nutshell42> which devices are present and stuff like that
[12:46] <nutshell42> it's created dynamically
[12:46] <nutshell42> and it is mounted at boot
[12:46] <wolferine> Whiz2, you need to do a bit more reading
[12:46] <Whiz2> nutshell42: ok if I see anything that is not in /proc then I will let you know
[12:46] <froud> Just had a fatal crach while upgrading distro via Adept. It rendered my system unbootable. Any suggestions on recovery?
[12:46] <wolferine> all your questions this afternoon are easily found via google
[12:47] <nutshell42> froud: do you have a seperate /home partition?
[12:47] <froud> nutshell42: no
[12:47] <Whiz2> wolferine: the system is nothing but a dedicated web/email server. I'm just trying to put everything on a larger drive so I don't have to worry so much bout running out of space... besides I can never find the documentation for the things I'm running... is why i always ask for help
[12:47] <nutshell42> if yes, just wipe and reinstall
[12:47] <nutshell42> if not, backup your home-dir, then wipe and reinstall
[12:47] <wolferine> Whiz2, use a Live CD
[12:48] <nutshell42> (unless you have some important data outside /home)
[12:48] <wolferine> that way your partitions are not mounted
[12:48] <wolferine> and you can copy everything
[12:48] <Whiz2> wolferine: if the stuff that is not copying isn't crucial, then I'm not worried about it
[12:48] <wolferine> Whiz2, see above
[12:49] <Whiz2> wolferine: i saw, but liveCD doesn't like me
[12:49] <nutshell42> it's not "not crucial", it shouldn't have tried to copy it in the first place
[12:49] <Whiz2> wolferine: i only use it for reinstall
[12:49] <nutshell42> try to check if it really doesn't copy from other devices
[12:50] <nutshell42> if it doesn't, cp's handling of /proc is a bit strange =)
[12:50] <wolferine> Whiz2, "like" has nothing to do with it
[12:50] <wolferine> u cannot "reinstall" using a LiveCD
[12:50] <Whiz2> wolferine: fresh install
[12:51] <wolferine> it serves for exactly your purpose
[12:51] <weswh-> I'm running on an Edgey system - definitely don't want to lose my data or significantly impact my current setup. Is attempting to upgrade to Feisty from what I have now even a consideration? and if so, is it painless or likely to make me wish i had never started?
[12:51] <dsmith> couple more weeks and we find out what distro Dell offers
[12:51] <wolferine> Whiz2, in case you forgot, I have been listening to your convo all afternoon as well
[12:51] <Whiz2> wwolf: i know
[12:51] <Whiz2> wolferine: i know
[12:51] <wolferine> Whiz2, a liveCD does NOT give you a fresh install
[12:51] <nutshell42> weswh-: put feisty on a seperate partition
[12:52] <Whiz2> wolferine: it does if I tell it to format the system drive, then install
[12:52] <weswh-> nutshell - and do what with edgey in the long run?
[12:52] <wolferine> Whiz2, your confused
[12:52] <wolferine> EOC
[12:52] <bobstro> wolferine: i must be missing some fine point, but the livecd has the installer on the desktop, no?
[12:53] <Whiz2> bobstro: yes it does
[12:53] <Whiz2> wolferine: i'm not confused
[12:53] <lee_> what's the <super> button?
[12:53] <nutshell42> weswh-: once you've got feisty up and running, you can migrate your home dir and then can edgy
[12:53] <mattrperry1976> can anyone help with mounting cd/dvd drives and mount points etc?
[12:53] <nutshell42> lee_: ?
[12:53] <weswh-> nutshell: any tutorials you know of covering something like that? I've kind of been a 'default install' guy thus far
[12:53] <bobstro> wolferine: i just installed feisty, and it sure worked like the livecd otherwise.
[12:53] <nutshell42> mattrperry1976: man
[12:54] <lee_> nutshell_42: it's the windows button :)
[12:54] <Whiz2> wolferine: livecd doesn't make it very easy for me to do the things I'm trying to do without jumping through hoops that I don't have to jump through using HDD boot
[12:54] <Sanne> mattrperry1976: usually, cd/dvd drives are accessed by the mount point /cdrom.
[12:55] <nutshell42> weswh-: just install feisty on a new partition, copy your home dir, if everything works, just stop using edgy
[12:55] <nutshell42> if something goes wrong, just keep using edgy =)
[12:56] <lee_> has anyone had any problems enable java with firefox?
[12:56] <lee_> enabling*
[12:56] <navets> hey does anyone here know how to fix some sound problems?
[12:56] <navets> my sound is really low
[12:56] <navets> compared to my windows partition
[12:56] <lee_> at least you have sound. :(
[12:56] <navets> you dont?
[12:56] <navets> try going to
[12:56] <lee_> my AC'97 isn't getting detected.
[12:57] <navets> try going to kmix
[12:57] <nutshell42> lee_: ubuntuguide.org
[12:57] <navets> go to switches
[12:57] <lee_> settings?
[12:57] <navets> no switches
[12:57] <navets> and click master on
[12:57] <Whiz2> wolferine: i'm kinda new to thewhole idea of Linux. all the stuff i've gotten done, i had help with from a single source who is just not available to help me right now
[12:57] <lee_> i can't even find switches. lol
[12:58] <navets> it should say output input and switch
[12:58] <nutshell42> Whiz2: honestly, just stop talking to him
[12:58] <lee_> ...where?
[12:58] <navets> in kmix
[12:58] <weswh-> nutshell: is it possible with the live cd setup, to make my home dir a different partition than where feisty is installed?
[12:58] <navets> open kmix
[12:58] <lee_> i know, but what menu?
[12:58] <nutshell42> lee_: switches is the third tab
[12:58] <nutshell42> tab, not menu
[12:58] <Skyblast> lee_: The sound icon near the time, click it once and then hit the mixer button
[12:58] <navets> yea sorry
[12:58] <weswh-> that way I am not marrying my personal data, to the OS partition in the future..
[12:58] <lee_> i don't have anything in my mixer tab.
[12:58] <Skyblast> That's KMix
[12:58] <nutshell42> but it won't help you if it doesn't recognize your card
[12:59] <Whiz2> nutshell42: heh i come here cuz that's what this channel is for. :-D
[12:59] <lee_> it's just the basic AC'97.
[12:59] <lee_> i have an ASUS A8N-SLI card.
[12:59] <lee_> er, motherboard.
[12:59] <navets> humm im not sure
[12:59] <navets> does anyone here know how to fix sound volume to make it louer?
[12:59] <nutshell42> Whiz2: this is #kubuntu, not #whiz2's letters to wolverine =P
[12:59] <bobstro> lee_: do you get audio with the livecd?
[12:59] <lee_> uhhhh, never tried to get audio, but i never heard anything either.
[01:00] <nutshell42> lee_: it *should* detect your card, I've got more or less the same board
[01:00] <Whiz2> nutshell42: no i meant i come here for help on kubuntu lol
[01:00] <bobstro> lee_: there's a startup sound
[01:00] <bobstro> Whiz2: what are you doing that's so offensive?
[01:00] <Whiz2> bobstro: i wish i knew
[01:00] <nutshell42> Whiz2: unless I missed something, I'm helping you, so stop feeding the trolls
[01:01] <Dragnslcr> lee_- I have an M2N-SLI board, and I haven't been able to get Kubuntu to detect the onboard sound either
[01:01] <Whiz2> bobstro: asking for help maybe? lol
[01:01] <lee_> well that's what i'm talking about dragnslcr :)
[01:01] <Whiz2> nutshell42: got it... still waiting for the cp to finish
[01:01] <bobstro> Whiz2: i missed the start, so am not taking sides.
[01:01] <Skyblast> lee_: Did sound work in Edgy or anything else?
[01:01] <lee_> uhhhh, i got the sound to work on an ASUS A7N8X board before.
[01:02] <lee_> which still basically has the same sound.
[01:02] <wolferine> Whiz2, thats really obvious
[01:02] <lee_> OH! Wait a minute. I disabled onboard sound.
[01:02] <wolferine> as you dont listen to direct advice
[01:02] <Skyblast> That could be a problem ;)
[01:02] <lee_> i have an X-fi Xtrememusic card for my Windows partition.
[01:02] <lee_> and Linux doesn't support it at all.
[01:02] <lee_> totally forgot about that.
[01:02] <Skyblast> Not yet anyway, drivers supposedly coming not too far from now
[01:02] <Whiz2> wolferine: give up. ur not getting anywhere
[01:02] <Skyblast> closed sources ones =/
[01:03] <wolferine> neither are you bud
[01:03] <wolferine> cping /proc isnt a great idea
[01:03] <Skyblast> Why on earth would you copy /proc?
[01:03] <Whiz2> wolferine: is not copying, so what's the big deal?
[01:04] <nutshell42> Skyblast: he's copying everything and cp apparently doesn't count /proc as different filesystem for the -x switch
[01:04] <wolferine> your "easy" to answer via google quesitons all afternoon long
[01:04] <Whiz2> Skyblast: i'm copying my entire system drive to a new partition on a new drive that will become my boot dev
[01:04] <wolferine> Whiz2, i helped as much as I could, but at some point you found it necessary to not help yourself
[01:05] <Dragnslcr> lee_- heh, wish my problem were that simple
[01:05] <Whiz2> wolferine: your help didn't work, remember????
[01:05] <wolferine> no, I must have forgot
[01:06] <lee_> Dragnslcr- I'll be satisfied once Creative X-fi drivers come out so i can get my 5.1 surround goin' on.
[01:06] <Whiz2> apparently
[01:06] <Skyblast> Hopefully they will be GOOD drivers.
[01:06] <Skyblast> Creative hasn't exactly been good to Linux
[01:07] <lee_> Idk how that's going to work out. The Windows drivers are so bloated with all that extra software crap.
[01:07] <Dragnslcr> I have an Audigy in my Windows box, but I'd rather not take it out. My motherboard has HD-Audio onboard
[01:07] <Dragnslcr> The new Asus board in my Kubuntu box, that is
[01:08] <Whiz2> nutshell42: cp appears to have stalled
[01:08] <Whiz2> and the HDD light is no longer active
[01:08] <wolferine> better to dl a .src or a .rpm to install?
[01:08] <lee_> Oh, does anyone know why Amarok turns unresponsive right when i start it up?
[01:08] <wolferine> .src right?
[01:08] <lee_> Is it because there's no audio hardware enabled?
[01:09] <Whiz2> lee_: quite possibly
[01:09] <Skyblast> lee_: Are you trying to play an mp3?
[01:09] <lee_> no, just trying to start Amarok.
[01:09] <lee_> freezes and goes grey on me.
[01:09] <Skyblast> ahh okay, then dunno.
[01:09] <lee_> yeah, i'm gonna restart and enable that onboard sound.
[01:09] <Skyblast> might not like no sound device, not sure
[01:09] <lee_> i'll come back with results in a quicky :)
[01:10] <lee_> or not, i've had really bad luck with my kubuntu installations :(
[01:10] <Whiz2> nutshell42: if I just open konq as root (i know how) and copy each dir over that way would it still keep all the attribs?
[01:12] <surgy> hi
[01:13] <pestilence> Whiz2: why use konqueror?  just use cp -a
[01:13] <surgy> is amarok mp3 suport broken with feisty?
[01:13] <lee_> we have sound! :D
[01:13] <lee_> the boot up sound is wonderful to hear.
[01:13] <Whiz2> pestilence: i don't want to copy the contents of /media aklong with the system drive
[01:14] <MarcC_> what command do I use to find out my IP address on my LAN?
[01:14] <pestilence> Whiz2: you are trying to backup / ?
[01:14] <pestilence> Whiz2: use rsync with an exclude list
[01:14] <Whiz2> pestilence: no i'm transferring the entire system drive to a new drive that will end up as my new boot dev
[01:14] <lee_> Is there a specific place I should mount a Windows harddrive?
[01:14] <surgy> im running kubuntu feisty and i cant seam to get mp3 support for amorok to work, is it broken?
[01:15] <lee_> surgy: ubuntuguide.org
[01:15] <Sanne> MarcC_: ifconfig
[01:17] <lee_> How do I get music off my Windows partition to play in Amarok?
[01:17] <MarcC_> Sanne: thanks!
[01:17] <Sanne> MarcC_: you're welcome :)
[01:18] <Skyblast> lee_: Mount it somewhere
[01:18] <lee_> Anywhere?
[01:18] <Skyblast> Pretty much
[01:18] <lee_> because I did, and then it says the folder is not accessible.
[01:20] <Skyblast> Probably only root has permission to get into it
[01:20] <lee_> Ah.
[01:21] <ubuntu_> are the bookmarks in FF saved as file?
[01:21] <Skyblast> Perhaps someone else could help with the right flags to mount it so users can see it? I don't know as I set mine up in setup and it takes care of it in fstab
[01:21] <Skyblast> ubuntu_: Yes
[01:21] <ubuntu_> great
[01:22] <Skyblast> ubuntu_: /home/yourusername/.mozilla/firefox/scrambledletters.default/bookmarks.html
[01:22] <navets> hey does anyone know if i am supost to be able to adjust my master volume in alsamixer
[01:23] <jordo23> i have this entry in my home folder....which I think is a faulted generic mount point....can't delete it graphically...and rm doesn't work......looks like this...http://pastebin.ca/456686
[01:23] <Skyblast> navets: You should be able to
[01:23] <jordo23> any ideas?
[01:23] <navets> Skyblast: do you know how i can fix it?
[01:23] <navets> it wont allow me 2
[01:24] <Skyblast> What about in KMix?
[01:24] <navets> it doesnt even show master in kmix
[01:24] <navets> it only shows pcm
[01:24] <Skyblast> hmmmm
[01:24] <Skyblast> Not sure then
[01:24] <zirxx> all: where i find desktop panel?
[01:26] <Skyblast> jordo23: What does ' rm -rf "<mount\ point>" ' do?
[01:27] <jordo23> Skyblast: Nothing.....brought me to another insert line under the command prompt  >
[01:27] <Skyblast> hmmm
[01:27] <jordo23> Skyblast: Only copying though double quotes right...
[01:27] <Skyblast> could you pastebin a ls -l
[01:28] <ubuntu_> I dont have a scramblesletters.defalts
[01:28] <jordo23> Skyblast: http://pastebin.ca/456709
[01:28] <Skyblast> ubuntu_: It'll be scrambled letters, not literally scrambledletters
[01:29] <Skyblast> there should be at least one .default folder
[01:29] <ubuntu_> lol
[01:30] <Skyblast> jordo23: Okay it looks like it is owned by root, so let's try this: sudo rm -rf "<mount point>"
[01:31] <mattrperry1976> anyone have any idea how to setup kubuntu to recognize SoundBlaster card?
[01:31] <jordo23> Skyblast: Worked.....duh.....thanks Sky!
[01:31] <Skyblast> No problem :)
[01:32] <lee_> I'm still having mounting problems :(
[01:32] <lee_> not being able to access it after i mount it.
[01:32] <ubuntu_> I have..chrome, components, dictionaries, extentions, icons, plugins, defalts, greprafs, res, searchplugins
[01:32] <ubuntu_> thats all
[01:32] <ubuntu_> the rest are loose files
[01:32] <ubuntu_> lib files
[01:33] <Skyblast> ubuntu_: Doesn't sound like the right directory.. /home/user/.mozilla/firefox ?
[01:33] <ubuntu_> system:/media/hdb1/usr/lib/firefox
[01:33] <ubuntu_> (I'm on a live cd)
[01:33] <mhamed> hi, can sombody give me a hand ??
[01:34] <ubuntu_> backing up my drive manually
[01:34] <mhamed> hi, can sombody give me a hand ??
[01:34] <Skyblast> ubuntu_: /media/hdb1/home/user/.mozilla/firefox/ then
[01:34] <bobby> install kubuntu 7.04 on my wife pc ,tried beryl .Cut off the top of my windows
[01:35] <shawn34> how can i use the terminal to open firefox as another user?
[01:36] <shawn34> i can't seem to "log out" to log in as another user on the terminal
[01:36] <bobby> nvidia card
[01:36] <Skyblast> shawn34:  'su username' doesn't work?
[01:36] <shawn34> i don't know
[01:36] <shawn34> let me try thatnks
[01:36] <acemo> shawn34 sudo -u username
[01:37] <Skyblast> bobby: Have you loaded the proprietary nvidia driver?
[01:37] <mattrperry1976> anyone know how to get amarok or kaffeine to be able to take advantage of 2.1 or 5.1 surround etc?
[01:37] <g35> how do i make my xorg.conf settings the way they were when i installed the oS/
[01:37] <shawn34> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[01:37] <shawn34> Xlib: No protocol specified
[01:37] <shawn34> crap
[01:38] <shawn34> my girlfriend will kill me if i loose all her bookmarks AGAIN lol
[01:38] <weswh-> do I need anything special just to *read* the contents of an NTFS partition? (copy some stuff over to my Home dir) - I know you have to go to some pains to be able to write to the disk...but I thought reading kind of worked out of the box
[01:38] <shawn34> does firefox store bookmarks in the home folder?
[01:38] <shawn34> its gotta be somewhere
[01:38] <Skyblast> Yes shawn34
[01:38] <Skyblast> /home/username/.mozilla/firefox/
[01:38] <shawn34> thanks
[01:39] <Skyblast> Then there's a .default folder, inside of it is a bookmarks.html
[01:39] <jordo23> Sometimes when trying to download from KDE-Look it tries to open whatever file I click on in Kate.....help!
[01:39] <ubuntu_> no go
[01:39] <BluesKaj> weswh-, you can use ntfs-3g to read and write to your windows partition
[01:39] <lontra> jordo23, right click .. save as
[01:39] <lontra> acemo, i have an intel
[01:39] <Skyblast> I have an ATi
[01:40] <BluesKaj> yup, ati here
[01:40] <Skyblast> Wish I didn't but I do ;)
[01:40] <bobby> hi sky ,yes i install beryl using the script on the beryl wiki
[01:40] <jordo23> lontra: That just saves the link...I need the file behind it...
[01:40] <ubuntu_> still cant find it
[01:40] <selanit> Hi.  I'm trying to get my radio card working - it's a BT878 model, and as far as I can tell the appropriate modules are loaded.  But I don't get sound.  I suspect the sound is muted, but I'm not sure how to unmute it.  In kmix, I get this: http://atuan.com/kmix.png - what's the little read/pause icon thingy?
[01:40] <ubuntu_> that address wont work for me
[01:41] <acemo> lontra, Skyblast/BluesKaj: could u run (lspci | grep "VGA") and tell me the result?
[01:41] <lontra> acemo, i'm currently on simplymepis ... so i don't know how much help i'd be
[01:42] <Skyblast> bobby: That's about as far as my knowledge goes for nvidia and beryl. unfortunately I don't have an nvidia card
[01:42] <lontra> but ...0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03)
[01:42] <Skyblast> You might ask in #beryl
[01:42] <Skyblast> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc R350 AH [Radeon 9800] 
[01:42] <acemo> ahh, great thanks lontra
[01:42] <acemo> thanks skyblast
[01:42] <hitmanWilly> bobby, whats the issue?
[01:43] <chi0> }(o){
[01:43] <acemo> just needed to know how to identify Intel and ATI cards
[01:43] <weswh-> "sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb" is working fine for me - just my user can't access it. does anyone know how to specify something in the mount command that makes the mount avail to all users?
[01:43] <BluesKaj> mine is a 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS480 [Radeon Xpress 200G Series] 
[01:43] <acemo> thanks BluesKaj
[01:43] <weswh-> i found a tutorial that talks about how to do it in etc/fstab - but I am just looking for a one off mount
[01:44] <bobby> hi hit the top of my window is cut off with beryl running
[01:44] <hitmanWilly> bobby, try this, sudo nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals
[01:45] <hitmanWilly> bobby, then restart x
[01:47] <Kr4t05> Hi, I'm trying to rip an audio CD to mp3 with K3b in Feisty. I have all of the codec packages installed (w32codecs, lame, libxine-extracodecs, libk3b-mp3, etc) but the option doesn't appear on the K3b ripping dialog. What gives?
[01:48] <bobby> will try now
[01:48] <bobby> hit is that one command or two
[01:49] <hitmanWilly> bobby, the first line was one command
[01:49] <BluesKaj> Kr4t05, use soundkonvertor, it's better for ripping ...K3b is mainly a burner
[01:49] <ubuntu_> I cant start up FF from another drive can I?
[01:50] <heinkel_111> Kr4t05: just use konqueror
[01:50] <hitmanWilly> bobby, once youve run that command you need to restart x-windows
[01:50] <heinkel_111> open the audio cd
[01:50] <heinkel_111> you will find a virtual mp3 folder
[01:50] <heinkel_111> copy and paste to desired location - done
[01:50] <heinkel_111> the ripping will run in the background
[01:51] <Heinkel|afk> Kr4t05: ^
[01:51] <Heinkel|afk> there cannot be any simpler way
[01:52] <Heinkel|afk> and by the way... flac>ogg>mp3>wma, aac etc
[01:55] <bobby> hi hit did not work
[01:55] <hitmanWilly> bobby, any error messages?
[01:56] <bobby> no just no window top
[01:57] <hitmanWilly> bobby, is this the machine you're on right now?
[01:57] <bobby> no
[01:57] <hitmanWilly> ok, just making sure
[01:58] <hitmanWilly> alright, can you pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file?
[01:59] <acemo> anyone knows if theres something like $var++ in bash?
[02:00] <acemo> nvm
[02:01] <jarle> acemo: not sure, have a look at http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/index.html
[02:01] <acemo> jarle: i was being stupid... i was thinking too hard, it was just var++
[02:02] <hitmanWilly> acemo, what shell were you using before?
[02:02] <sagematt> Why is kubuntu telling me my ntfs partitions are read-only if they were mounted as writable by default while installing?
[02:03] <acemo> hitmanWilly: i just started writing my first bash script, havent used any other shell besides bash and dos (yet)
[02:03] <hitmanWilly> acemo, ok, just wondering?
[02:03] <bobby> hit i did a "kdesu kate /ect/x11/xorg.conf ,kate pop up without the file
[02:03] <hitmanWilly> err, .
[02:04] <Last_Hero> I kept using bash commands instead of dos ones in my DOS test today at university >_<
[02:04] <Admiral_Chicago> bobby: X11
[02:04] <Admiral_Chicago> capital
[02:04] <stdin> sagematt: as far as I know, the inbuilt write support for ntfs isn't great, I'd say use the ntfs-3g package
[02:04] <acemo> Last_Hero that kinda sucks
[02:04] <Admiral_Chicago> its case senistive. x11 is not X11
[02:04] <sagematt> stdin: sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g I guess?
[02:05] <gordonr> Hi all
[02:05] <sagematt> stdin: do I require something else?
[02:05] <Last_Hero> acemo, luckily I was able to work out the correct ones in DOS before I wrote my .bat files
[02:05] <Last_Hero> so it's not all bad
[02:05] <stdin> sagematt: yeah, that should do it, then mount it with the -t ntfs-3g option
[02:05] <acemo> Last_Hero i c
[02:05] <sagematt> stdin: good. thanks a lot.
[02:05] <stdin> sagematt: no problem
[02:05] <gordonr> Anyone have a DVICO Fusion USB HDTV card?
[02:05] <acemo> ohh great i cant even create a while loop in bash :S
[02:06] <gordonr> Or know how I could get one working....
[02:06] <sagematt> acemo: google linux bash script tutorial?
[02:06] <jarle> acemo: the link I gave you...
[02:07] <gordonr> There was a bash script walk though on Digg the other day.
[02:07] <acemo> jarle: sorry, didnt looked in that one yet because i found out the mistake i made already, taking a look at ur link now :)
[02:08] <Last_Hero> jarle, mind giving me the link as well?
[02:08] <bobby> did use uppercase still not working
[02:08] <bobby> that is X11
[02:08] <acemo> Last_Hero: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/index.html is the link jarle gave
[02:08] <Last_Hero> thanks acemo
[02:08] <gordonr> http://www.digg.com/linux_unix/The_Bash_Quick_Reference_Guide
[02:08] <Admiral_Chicago> kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:08] <Last_Hero> thanks gordonr
[02:08] <hitmanWilly> bobby, /etc/X11/xorg.conf, it has to be there otherwise X wouldn't even load
[02:09] <MuJ> how do I install mp3-support in amarok by hand, the automatic thingie keeps crashing
[02:09] <Last_Hero> Muj, use Adept
[02:09] <MuJ> nah, I prefer apt-get
[02:09] <stdin> MuJ: install libxine1-ffmpeg, from main
[02:09] <Last_Hero> I dunno then, I'm still a linux noob : /
[02:10] <selanit> bleargh - I've got my WinTV card up and running, except there's no sound.  I'm pretty sure the sound is just muted, but I can't for the life of me figure out where to unmute it.
[02:12] <MuJ> stdin: thanks
[02:12] <stdin> np :)
[02:12] <DSlicer> Woohoo! I have sound!
[02:12] <gordonr> selanit:  right click on the volume speaker and hit the show mixer window
[02:12] <DSlicer> Apparently the output channel was muted in AlsaMixer (a channel that doesn't show up in KMix)
[02:13] <selanit> Thanks, but I do know where KMix is
[02:13] <selanit> Check this
[02:13] <selanit> http://atuan.com/kmix.png
[02:13] <selanit> There's no mute/unmute button there
[02:14] <noiesmo> just updated to feisty and I have found that I have to run sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart to get my nic working any suggections to fix have tried clearing my interfaces file and getting network manager to recreate and start dhcp
[02:16] <bobby> should i have more than one xorg.conf file i found 2
[02:16] <Admiral_Chicago> you should have a few backups
[02:16] <stdin> bobby: only one will be called "xorg.conf"
[02:16] <shahramuae> list
[02:17] <DSlicer> selanit- something I just discovered is to check alsamixer (there's a GUI frontend for it in the package repositories). It has several channels that KMix doesn't
[02:18] <DSlicer> This is getting annoying. Is there a global setting for remembering window positions? It kinda sucks having to do it for every app
[02:18] <selanit> That's a possibility - I've used alsamixer in past.  I just need to figure out how to tell it that I want to change the settings for my TV tuner card rather than my usual sound card ...
[02:18] <bobby> hit can i email it to you cant past it here its on a dif mach.
[02:20] <selanit> heck.  I wonder if I've passed an incorrect argument to the tuner module
[02:20] <Black_Mask> how to add an item to KDE's KMenu? I want to add two shortcuts to two GNOME-based programs called Volume Monitor and Recording Monitor respectively. I'm on Edgy Eft
[02:21] <jtt> DSlicer, do you mean the KDE terminal window positions
[02:21] <jordo23> !version
[02:21] <ubotu> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell
[02:22] <shahramuae> !list
[02:22] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[02:22] <shahramuae> !shell
[02:22] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[02:23] <n6pfk> Any way to get 3d on an ati device?
[02:24] <Daisuke_Ido> n6pfk: it involves selling your soul to the devil
[02:24] <shahramuae> !list
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[02:24] <Daisuke_Ido> or!
[02:24] <shahramuae> fserve
[02:24] <Daisuke_Ido> !ati
[02:24] <selanit> Bah
[02:24] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:24] <n6pfk> Ok, I can do that!
[02:24] <shahramuae> !exe
[02:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about exe - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:24] <Daisuke_Ido> shahramuae: you seem to misunderstand the purpose of the channel
[02:24] <selanit> I give up - I'll fiddle with it more later.  The news broadcast I wanted to listen to is over now anyway.
[02:24] <selanit> Thanks anyway, people.
[02:24] <shahramuae> !dxb
[02:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dxb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:24] <shahramuae> !list
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[02:25] <Daisuke_Ido> shahramuae: WHAT are you doing?
[02:25] <Daisuke_Ido> do you have a question?
[02:25] <shahramuae> yes please
[02:25] <Daisuke_Ido> go ahead and ask
[02:25] <shahramuae> how can i search file here?
[02:25] <Daisuke_Ido> there are no files here.
[02:25] <shahramuae> oh ok
[02:25] <Daisuke_Ido> so there is no way to search them :)
[02:26] <Black_Mask> how to add an item to KDE's KMenu? I want to add two shortcuts to two GNOME-based programs called Volume Monitor and Recording Monitor respectively. I'm on Edgy Eft
[02:26] <BluesKaj> what file are you looking for?
[02:26] <Daisuke_Ido> Black_Mask: right click the kmenu and choose "Menu Editor
[02:27] <DSlicer> jtt- I meant all windows. If you click on the KDE menu (top-left corner) -> Advanced -> Special App Settings, you can set it to remember the size and position of the windows
[02:27] <n6pfk> The current ati driver fails to compile with the xorg distributed with 7.04.
[02:27] <DSlicer> It's just annoying to have to do it for every app
[02:28] <wolferine> needing a hand with a scanner (USB) setup, anyone?
[02:28] <Last_Hero> is the KDETheme Manager supposed to tell me to click the Administrator button but not actually have said button to click? :S
[02:29] <Black_Mask> Daisuke_Ido: thanks for your response. I have gone as far as firing up the 'menu editor'. but sadly nowhere in that menu did i find 'volume monitor' and 'Recording Monitor'
[02:30] <BluesKaj> n6pfk, there's a new proprietary ati driver http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/linux-radeon.html
[02:30] <Black_Mask> oh wait I think i should log back into GNOME and add those two programs to the menu and then come back to KDE and see what happens BRB
[02:31] <DSlicer> What's the package name for the MP3 decoder?
[02:35] <djcyber> what the terminal command for installing java
[02:35] <Black_Mask> duh that's what I should have done at first. Now I got them all back to KMenu. Thanks a lot Daisuke_Ido for providing me with the initial kick. :-)
[02:35] <n6pfk> That new ati driver also fails to compile.
[02:35] <Black_Mask> sudo apt-get install java
[02:36] <djcyber> thx u
[02:37] <MajorApus> where is the equivelant of xorg.conf for sound
[02:37] <Black_Mask> don't under any circumstances try to install sun-java using Adept or synaptics. you will have a chance of having some broken packages in your computer if you do so. It's all because at one point during java's installation a pesky license would come up and tell ya to read it and click okay but since you can't do that in Adept, the installation would hang/crash and it will cause you nothing but some wasted time and unnecessary
[02:37] <Black_Mask> headache
[02:40] <bobleny> !paste bin
[02:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about paste bin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:40] <bobleny> !paist bin
[02:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about paist bin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:40] <bobleny> !pastebin
[02:40] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:40] <MajorApus> !paste
[02:43] <levi_> Question here
[02:43] <jager> orly
[02:44] <bobleny> Hey, I am having a bit of a problem... I put the whole thing here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17510/
[02:44] <levi_> Yeah
[02:44] <levi_> trying to get a splash screen to come up whe nI boot but i cant get it to work correctly.
[02:44] <levi_> *when
[02:46] <Daisuke_Ido> Black_Mask: no worries, sometimes the obvious...  isn't.
[02:47] <Daisuke_Ido> sorry, what i know about tuners can be summed up as: "uh...  what?"
[02:48] <Daisuke_Ido> i have some dvds to back up :\
[02:48] <Daisuke_Ido> i'd like to do xvid with dvd::rip, but it's so slow...
[02:49] <Black_Mask> lower image quality
[02:49] <Black_Mask> draw the rectangle only around the edges of dvd-rip
[02:49] <chemicalvamp> Daisuke_Ido cant you just make an iso of it?
[02:50] <Daisuke_Ido> chemicalvamp: i could
[02:50] <BluesKaj> Daisuke_Ido, have you tried k9copy , or if it's avideo file , devede or tovid
[02:50] <chemicalvamp> would it still take forever?
[02:50] <Daisuke_Ido> yep
[02:50] <Daisuke_Ido> it's not the reading, it's the transcoding
[02:50] <Black_Mask> oh i'm dumb i thought he was talking about xvid screen capturing program
[02:50] <chemicalvamp> whats your comp hehe
[02:50] <BluesKaj> tovid rocks
[02:50] <Daisuke_Ido> i suppose i could just use dvd shrink :\
[02:50] <bobleny> ** booo
[02:50] <Daisuke_Ido> don't like k9copy :\
[02:51] <BluesKaj> buggy eh/
[02:51] <bobleny> **boo
[02:51] <chemicalvamp> think it took me 4 hours to cpy a dvd on a p2 lol
[02:51] <BluesKaj> hoo
[02:51] <bobleny> /*boo
[02:51] <Daisuke_Ido> chemicalvamp: *copying* dvds (making a backup iso for later burning) takes me about 30 minutes
[02:51] <chemicalvamp> well what are you whining about then hehe
[02:52] <Daisuke_Ido> transcoding a dvd to xvid, however, is what takes forever.
[02:52] <Benji> !leadtek
[02:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about leadtek - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:52] <chemicalvamp> ohh
[02:52] <bobleny> !lead
[02:52] <chemicalvamp> !info leadtek
[02:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lead - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:52] <ubotu> Package leadtek does not exist in feisty
[02:52] <fssssssssssh> heh, i have a script/program which i have to start with "python decoder". how can i make a shortcut to click on, which starts this program? :)
[02:52] <Daisuke_Ido> like 2.5 hours for the first pass
[02:52] <BluesKaj> youknowhat works well , but i haven't used it in a while is acetoneiso
[02:52] <Benji> !winfast
[02:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about winfast - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:52] <Daisuke_Ido> acetoneiso for transcoding video?
[02:53] <soulrider> heya
[02:53] <Daisuke_Ido> hey soulrider
[02:53] <BluesKaj> lemme check
[02:53] <soulrider> hi Daisuke_Ido
[02:53] <soulrider> hi BluesKaj
[02:53] <BluesKaj> hey soulrider
[02:53] <soulrider> you guys know if intelikey managed to upgrade? :P
[02:54] <bobleny> Yeah, hi to you to soulrider!
[02:54] <soulrider> hi bobleny, so he could do the upgrade ?
[02:54] <bkudria> i just purchased a sony digital camera, and it mounts in usb mode as a mass storage device, as expected, but it mounts read-only (ro), and i can't figure out how to mount it as read-write.  what is wrong?  any advice appreciated
[02:54] <Daisuke_Ido> let's just say that i'm trying to get as many movies as possible on a single dvd in xvid format (probably 6), and the quality is secondary to size (though i'd like the best possible quality for the size) because these aren't family friendly movies, and i certainly don't need them in HD... >_>
[02:55] <Daisuke_Ido> soulrider: he was having problems?
[02:55] <BluesKaj> oops guess not Daisuke_Ido
[02:55] <soulrider> Daisuke_Ido: no, he was upgrading from hoary straight to feisty ebcause someone said it couldnt be done, and he wanted to prove that person wrong
[02:56] <chemicalvamp> lol go intelikely
[02:56] <Daisuke_Ido> oh man
[02:56] <soulrider> Daisuke_Ido: whata re you trying to put in those DVDs if i may ask? :P the not  family friendly part sounds kinda dirty :P
[02:56] <soulrider> intelikey is so pro :P
[02:56] <bobleny> Hey, don't forget about me...! - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17510/
[02:56] <Daisuke_Ido> soulrider: if i told you, i'd have to kill you :D
[02:56] <chemicalvamp> lol
[02:56] <soulrider> lol
[02:56] <Black_Mask> just because it's not family friendly doesn't necessarily mean it has to be pr0n
[02:56] <soulrider> Daisuke_Ido:  i guess you should re encode them
[02:57] <soulrider> Daisuke_Ido: you wanna watcht hem on the DVD player or just the PC ?
[02:57] <Daisuke_Ido> soulrider: yeah, right now that's looking to be about a...  4 times 36...  144 hour job :\
[02:57] <Daisuke_Ido> or thereabouts
[02:57] <soulrider> Daisuke_Ido: reincoding sucks
[02:58] <soulrider> reencoding*
[02:58] <Daisuke_Ido> both, i have a philips dvp-642.  not the best divx-capable player. but it works
[02:58] <Daisuke_Ido> doesn't do qpel, and chokes on high resolutions
[02:59] <soulrider> i just installed ubuntu, it make smy back hurt :P i dont know if its the font or what, but i need to get closer to my screen to read properly
[02:59] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm thinking encode to 640x480, audio in mp3 at 128kbps
[02:59] <soulrider> Daisuke_Ido: i know nothing about reencoding
[02:59] <Daisuke_Ido> soulrider: switching from what?
[02:59] <soulrider> http://doom9.org you can find good info there
[02:59] <soulrider> Daisuke_Ido: i got a new hard drive so im tyring out ubuntu, but i think im gonna isntall kubuntu or somethign with KDE
[02:59] <Daisuke_Ido> go kubuntu!
[03:00] <soulrider> ive been using arch actually, havnt touched kubuntu in a while
[03:00] <Daisuke_Ido> and i'm going to have to pick up a new hard drive soon
[03:00] <soulrider> Daisuke_Ido: i killed mine :P
[03:00] <Daisuke_Ido> same here.  had to drop from a 160gb to a 30gb
[03:00] <soulrider> i wanna install arch in the new drive, but im too lazy to do it, it takes sooooo long
[03:02] <Daisuke_Ido> i just want an os that works, which is why i'm backing kubuntu hardcore
[03:02] <soulrider> Daisuke_Ido: i think im gonna  use my new drive for storage until i have time to install Arch
[03:02] <soulrider> yeah
[03:02] <soulrider> i recommend it to everyone
[03:02] <Daisuke_Ido> i need to order feisty cds, but the normal limit is 3 now
[03:02] <soulrider> i like arch ebcause its faster and packages are more updated
[03:02] <soulrider> but its a biznich to install
[03:03] <Daisuke_Ido> people aren't nearly as impressed by a cd-r + sharpie as they are with a nicely pressed kubuntu cd
[03:03] <soulrider> oh yeah, indeed
[03:05] <Daisuke_Ido> whenever i'm at school with my lappy, i get comments about how nice it looks, then i tell them it's linux.  they tend to freak about then
[03:05] <soulrider> LOL
[03:05] <Black_Mask> lol
[03:05] <Black_Mask> what kinda lappy you got?
[03:05] <soulrider> flashy stuff tends to catch windows users' eyes :P
[03:05] <soulrider> especially the desktop cube, they pee their pants
[03:06] <Daisuke_Ido> Black_Mask: just a toshiba celeron with integrated i915
[03:06] <Daisuke_Ido> nothing spectacular
[03:06] <Black_Mask> daisuke if you have Beryl and can show 'em, they will just freak out
[03:06] <Daisuke_Ido> Black_Mask: that's what i do :)
[03:06] <Daisuke_Ido> the intel works GREAT with beryl
[03:06] <soulrider> Daisuke_Ido: my mom has one too! windows is so slow there
[03:06] <soulrider> Daisuke_Ido: the video card is ATI though
[03:07] <Daisuke_Ido> this one is technically my fiancee's, but i wear the pants in the family and i have her permission to say so
[03:07] <soulrider> lol
[03:07] <czer323> As long as you don't wear the lingere, it's fine.
[03:08] <czer323> *lingerie
[03:08] <soulrider> LOL
[03:08] <MotorCityMadMan> hello my friends, using kamil with ubuntu dapper|kmail error:could not start process pop3s. any help ?
[03:08] <soulrider> ok, im going back to Arch and KDE, im gonna delete this kubuntu partition :P
[03:08] <Daisuke_Ido> czer323: ...
[03:08] <Daisuke_Ido> only on weekends
[03:08] <czer323> Daisuke_Ido: it's a legitimate concern.
[03:09] <czer323> Weekends are absolutely okay though.
[03:09] <czer323> "girls just want to have fun!"
[03:09] <Daisuke_Ido> okay, moving just a LITTLE offtopic here :)
[03:09] <MotorCityMadMan> hello my friends, using kamil with ubuntu dapper|kmail error:could not start process pop3s. any help ?
[03:10] <sunnyhours4130> I've got a problem after a seemingly successful nvidia driver install. installed using the script from the nvidia website, looked good (started x with the nvidia splash screen)
[03:10] <Assimilator> wheres the best place to go for noob samba suport ?
[03:10] <sunnyhours4130> then when I rebooted, i got "API mismatch. NVIDI kernel module has v 1.0-7184 but this X module has v 1.0-8774>"
[03:11] <Daisuke_Ido> sunnyhours4130: uninstall the legacy driver
[03:11] <Guest6259669> since kubuntu nerfed the normal kde menus, how do i get to the powersavings option in control center?
[03:11] <sunnyhours4130> i don't remember installing it. how would i go about uninstalling?
[03:12] <Daisuke_Ido> Guest6259669: alt+f2 and run kcontrol :)
[03:12] <Guest6259669> Thank You
[03:12] <Daisuke_Ido> Guest6259669: that'll get the good config back
[03:13] <Guest6259669> hrm
[03:13] <Guest6259669> aparently the power control settings didnt get installed, either
[03:13] <Daisuke_Ido> sunnyhours4130: try sudo apt-get remove nvidia-glx-legacy
[03:13] <Guest6259669> but now i have the good control panel! thanks!
[03:14] <soulrider> ahh, im abck in KDE :)
[03:15] <sunnyhours4130> i looked real quick in adept and it didn't seem to think it was installed. i'll give that a whirl tho
[03:15] <bobleny> Help me....?
[03:15] <Black_Mask> what's the command that i can use in terminal to see exactly in which location a particular program has been installed? It's because I have installed Gyachi and whoever built the .deb package most probably didn't care about making it put a shortcut in the Application Menu folders or adding a shortcut to the desktop
[03:15] <voidmage> Interesting
[03:15] <Guest6259669> "which gyachi"
[03:15] <Guest6259669> ought to do it
[03:15] <voidmage> Something gtk-related I installed changed my xchat and now the buttons are smaller
[03:16] <Black_Mask> guest hi thanks. gyachi improved
[03:16] <Black_Mask> with pyvoice
[03:16] <voidmage> I never got pyvoice to work
[03:16] <voidmage> Anyone who did, how did you go about it?
[03:16] <Guest6259669> no, i meant that that is what you run
[03:16] <Guest6259669> the command "which" with the program as the argument
[03:16] <voidmage> is there a certain version of python you need?
[03:16] <Black_Mask> void i think you're not using the debian version of Gyachi Improved
[03:16] <Black_Mask> void nope
[03:16] <Black_Mask> the one that comes with Ubuntu edgy would do
[03:17] <voidmage> so the edgy version should work?
[03:17] <Black_Mask> guest oh sorry lol okay
[03:17] <voidmage> erm
[03:17] <Black_Mask> void yes
[03:17] <sunnyhours4130> Daisuke_Ido: Yeah, it wasn't installed
[03:17] <Guest6259669> i admit it is a confusing command
[03:17] <Black_Mask> where did you get your deb package of Gyachi Improved?
[03:17] <voidmage> gyachi.sf.net
[03:17] <voidmage> downloaded the edgy version
[03:17] <voidmage> haven't tried it in feisty yet
[03:18] <Guest6259669> hmm
[03:18] <Black_Mask> voidimage http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/gyachi/gyachi_1.0.5-1_edgy_i386.deb?download this is the edgy version. there is not one for feisty yet although i tried it when I had feisty and it worked flawlessly
[03:19] <Black_Mask> guest it didn't work
[03:19] <weswh-work> does anyone know what the apt-get package name is for qparted?
[03:19] <weswh-work> need to delete/format an NTFS drive into ext3
[03:19] <Black_Mask> but thanks for thinking anyways :-)
[03:19] <voidmage> hmm
[03:20] <Guest6259669> anyone know what packages I need for the laptop functions in kde? powersave/hibernate/etc? all i can find is a battery monitor
[03:20] <voidmage> does gyachi voice not work in a conference?
[03:20] <voidmage> only in chat rooms?
[03:20] <jager> jag@stormbringer:~$ apt-cache search qtparted
[03:20] <jager> qtparted - A parted frontend using QT
[03:20] <Black_Mask> oh wait a second I think if i open Adept, select Gyachi from there, i will see the files that came with it and where it's installed
[03:20] <Black_Mask> voice gyachi voice doesn't work in either conference or PM (private message). it only works in a voice enabled chat room
[03:21] <weswh-work> jager: is that pretty suitable for what I mentioned doing?
[03:21] <voidmage> fff
[03:21] <jager> will work fine
[03:21] <Black_Mask> yes you're right. actually the developers arent investing more time into the project in question
[03:22] <weswh-work> jager, once partitions are created, does this app give me the ability to 'format' them? or is formatting a relic of the windows world?
[03:22] <jager> you can format from qtparted yes
[03:23] <voidmage> this was interesting too
[03:23] <voidmage> i installed some package today
[03:23] <voidmage> and xchat's buttons decided to resize themselves
[03:23] <Black_Mask> uh i found it. /usr/local/bin. now gonna make a shortcut of it
[03:25] <DSlicer> Anyone happen to know how to get my bluetooth keyboard/mouse working? I can't seem to figure out how to connect them
[03:25] <Ash-Fox> Where would be the best place for me to write up instructions for installing star office for ubuntu and kubuntu users?
[03:29] <kurt> I tried and failed to upgrade to feisty. My system is woking fine though the update notifier says ther are 1018 update packages avail. if I update will I get hosed. The repos sat edgy in the sources.lst
[03:29] <Guest6259669> apt-get install openoffice.org done
[03:29] <Guest6259669> does it really take much more than that?
[03:30] <nathansoz> hello
[03:31] <nathansoz> i need help with a driver problem
[03:31] <chemicalvamp> what type of device
[03:31] <flaccid> !ask
[03:31] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[03:31] <Guest6259669> good for you?
[03:31] <nathansoz> ok
[03:32] <nathansoz> its a belkin pcmcia wireless card
[03:32] <flaccid> ok
[03:32] <nathansoz> and
[03:32] <flaccid> !wireless
[03:32] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:32] <flaccid> is in that list by any chance
[03:32] <nathansoz> thanks
[03:32] <chemicalvamp> its not working in feisty?
[03:32] <nathansoz> im using 6.06 lts
[03:32] <almostkorean> hey im having trouble witih my external hard drive.  I can connect it and look at files on there fine, but i cant put things on it becuase it says im not the owner
[03:33] <chemicalvamp> nathansoz try looking up ndiswrapper
[03:33] <flaccid> !ntfs > almostkorean
[03:33] <flaccid> almostkorean: there is info on that guide about mounting correctly
[03:34] <Sulamita> can someone help me on my AC97 sound card? It was not working, but when I installed skype on windows on same notebook, started to work. now is not working anymore since dist upgrade
[03:34] <almostkorean> thanks
[03:34] <kurt>  I tried and failed to upgrade to feisty. My system is woking fine in edgy, though the update notifier says ther are 1018 update packages avail. if I update will I get hosed? The repos say edgy in the sources.lst
[03:35] <Guest6259669> i would assume not
[03:35] <DSlicer> Sulamita- check alsamixer to make sure all the channels are enabled
[03:35] <Guest6259669> kurt define "tried and failed"
[03:35] <Sulamita> I did
[03:35] <DSlicer> That was my problem. Unfortunately, that's pretty much the only advice I can give
[03:36] <Sulamita> DSlicer: also already tried to reinstall the modules
[03:36] <almostkorean> awesomek thanks flaccid it worked
[03:37] <kurt> guest6259669 I used the upgade tool. seemed to be going okay then failed in the install process
[03:37] <Guest6259669> then you should be fine
[03:38] <kurt> guest6259669 why do I have so many packages avail?
[03:39] <Guest6259669> i am guessing they are for the upgrade
[03:39] <weswh-work> jager: ok, I think I basically have it done. 2 questions. I edited the partition table, committed that. then told it to format, committed that. so it is now formatted and an ext3 partition. question 1, for a storage drive like this, do I want to make the partition "active"? second - after it formatted it says I have 3.9 gigs used out of 74 (it's an 80 gig drive). Any idea what that might be, or how to achieve a deeper format?
[03:39] <kurt> but my repos are edgy
[03:40] <flaccid> weswh-work: that formatted size looks right
[03:40] <flaccid> don't need to make the part active
[03:40] <weswh-work> flaccid, so 71/80 in the end?
[03:40] <flaccid> there is overhead in formatted
[03:41] <weswh-work> seems like I always had more than that in the end, with NTFS. ok
[03:41] <flaccid> and they are usually quoting base 1000 not 1024 bytes in a kilobyte..
[03:41] <weswh-work> it was a pretty quick format - should I try to do a deeper one? (like how long it takes when installing windows)
[03:41] <jarn> After an upgrade to Feisty, X seems to be ignoring my Xorg.conf and using resolutions that are not even in there, at all.
[03:41] <flaccid> errr
[03:41] <flaccid> like i said that is right. how would you do this 'deeper' format
[03:42] <jarn> I want to use 1280x960@85, which is in my xorg.conf, but the highest refresh rate X will let me use at 1280x960 is 54.
[03:42] <weswh-work> i don't know what i mean. just know that windows takes a lot longer to format drives? :)
[03:42] <jarn> And there's tons of other resolutions displayed in xrandr that aren't in my conf file, either.
[03:42] <flaccid> weswh-work: ah right..
[03:42] <flaccid> :p
[03:45] <weswh-work> flaccid: is the lost+found folder something that needs to stay?
[03:45] <flaccid> weswh-work: for ext* fs yes
[03:45] <Guest6259669> weswh-work it will recreate itself
[03:45] <weswh-work> cool
[03:46] <weswh-work> ok, final question here. in order to mount the drive so that my user can access the contents, i usually use "mount -o umask=0222 /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb"
[03:46] <weswh-work> that worked when the drive was NTFS, but now it isn't.
[03:46] <weswh-work> it says bad option, or fs type
[03:47] <flaccid> what type of fs are you trying to mount?
[03:47] <bobstro> jarn: what video chipset?
[03:47] <jarn> bobstro: nVidia Geforce 6800
[03:47] <weswh-work> flaccid - ext3
[03:48] <weswh-work> fdisk -l reports "Linux"
[03:48] <flaccid> sudo mount -t ext3 -o rw /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1
[03:48] <flaccid> i think thats valid syntax
[03:48] <weswh-work> what makes it avail to my regular user?
[03:49] <weswh-work> i always have this issue where i sudo mount, and then my user doesn't have permissions to look at it
[03:49] <flaccid> rw option and correct perms on the mountpoint
[03:49] <ubuntu_> !flash64
[03:49] <ubotu> You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[03:49] <weswh-work> perms on the mount point eh..
[03:49] <weswh-work> good to know
[03:49] <dinakar> Hello to all. first time on irc after reading news article on linux.com
[03:49] <flaccid> also mount with a umask and or gmask etc.
[03:49] <flaccid> !ntfs
[03:49] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[03:49] <weswh-work> wouldn't rw be the default with Linux fs?
[03:49] <flaccid> weswh-work: see above
[03:50] <flaccid> weswh-work: i can't remember
[03:50] <lovloss> What do i do if the feisty live cd doesnt come with support for my graphics carD?
[03:53] <weswh-work> flaccid: ok, i changed the perm of my mount point to 777, owned by my user. but when i do a standard mount (mount /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb), it changes to owner root etc. again
[03:53] <weswh-work> so that method didn't work for me. i'll try the umask argument again
[03:53] <flaccid> weswh-work: its a good idea to read...
[03:53] <Assimilator> how do I share folders outside of the home dir like /media/hdb1---->
[03:53] <flaccid> thats all in the link above. use the correct umask. don't use one that you would apply to ntfs..
[03:54] <flaccid> but you usually just specify uid=1001 or whatever
[03:54] <DSlicer> Anyone happen to know how to get my bluetooth keyboard/mouse working? I can't seem to figure out how to connect them
[03:54] <flaccid> Assimilator: share to who?
[03:55] <Assimilator> to MSHOME PC's and xbox XBMC
[03:55] <flaccid> !samba
[03:55] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[03:55] <flaccid> follow above :)
[03:55] <Guest6259669> install xboxlinux
[03:55] <Guest6259669> and then use nfs
[03:55] <flaccid> no need to go that far
[03:56] <Guest6259669> it's better than hitting it with a hammer
[03:56] <Guest6259669> then it is useful
[03:56] <Guest6259669> rather than a hunk o' junk
[03:56] <Assimilator> hehe so the config in system setting/ sharing is useless ?
[03:57] <flaccid> i found a chipped xbox with evolutionx to be sufficient
[03:57] <Assimilator> i need to go to command line ?
[03:57] <flaccid> Assimilator: no its not. you can do it there as well
[03:57] <Guest6259669> "need to go" you sound like command line is not the best way to do these things and the place you START
[03:57] <flaccid> Assimilator: sometimes its not sufficient. its important be on the same workgoup usually in a mixed environment without a master
[03:58] <Guest6259669> <3 cli
[03:58] <Assimilator> i've tryed but the clients is getting file not found errors once it trys to open a floder within the share
[03:59] <flaccid> Assimilator: test with smbclient
[03:59] <flaccid> and check logs
[03:59] <flaccid> and fs perms
[04:00] <flaccid> brb
[04:00] <Assimilator> hmm logs will be in etc/samba ?
[04:01] <Assimilator> The file or folder smb://thecollective/INCOMMING does not exist. <----- is the error i get
[04:02] <Skyblast> Assimilator: How did you set your shares up?
[04:02] <Assimilator> using the kubuntu shares gui
[04:02] <bobesponja> hey
[04:03] <Skyblast> And you're using Feisty right?
[04:03] <Assimilator> yup
[04:03] <bobesponja> all the video I watch appear with many dots all over the screen, and the icon of hte window is pink
[04:04] <Skyblast> I wonder if there is something broken in that. Someone else had that problem last night as well. I set mine up by just putting them just by throwing them in smb.conf manually and it works fine.
[04:04] <bobesponja> any idea what's wrong?
[04:04] <Skyblast> I'll try it out in a minute, see if it works for me
[04:04] <Assimilator> it stuff owned by root that i'm having trobble sharing
[04:04] <Skyblast> ah, so certain things work then?
[04:05] <Assimilator> /home/user seem ok for a anomous longing setup on MSHOME
[04:06] <Assimilator> but as soon as i try and share /media/hdb1/server1/incomming i get nothing
[04:06] <Assimilator> The file or folder smb://thecollective/INCOMMING does not exist. <----- is the error i get
[04:06] <Skyblast> hmm
[04:07] <premier_> hello, I'm using scim, and I switched it to gtk-panel mode by accident, and now the configuration window is different (gnome style) and I can't find a way to switch it back to kde.
[04:07] <Assimilator> could it be that what i'm trying to shar is on an NTFS partition ?
[04:07] <weswh-work> do you guys know what would be a default installed kde equiv of "gksudo gedit /etc/fstab"?
[04:08] <weswh-work> i need to get ee
[04:08] <Skyblast> Possible, have you checked the permissions on the directory
[04:08] <Assimilator> all owned by root
[04:08] <Assimilator> and i'm not sure how to change that
[04:09] <premier_> weswh-work: you can do kdesu kwrite or kdesu kate... I like kwrite because its lighter, but kate is more commonly used
[04:09] <Skyblast> weswh-work: Try kdesu kate /etc/fstab
[04:10] <Skyblast> Assimilator: It's an ntfs partition right? Are you using ntfs-3g?
[04:11] <Assimilator> um how can i tell this is a very fresh feisty install OS
[04:11] <DSlicer> Bleh, Kopete's interface for handling subcontacts kinda sucks
[04:11] <flaccid> im going to get some beer than i'll be back to help with any outstanding smb problems
[04:11] <alpha-one> DSlicer: try Konversation
[04:11] <Skyblast> ok, if you haven't set it up, you aren't using it yet
[04:11] <Skyblast> !ntfs-3g
[04:11] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[04:12] <Assimilator> ok is that good or bad ?
[04:12] <Assimilator> is it recomended ?that i install that first ?
[04:12] <Skyblast> errr.... I'm getting a little out of my league
[04:12] <voidmage> Assimilator: install ntfs-config
[04:12] <Skyblast> but all I know is with this I was able to share stuff via samba
[04:12] <voidmage> then run it and check the two boxes
[04:13] <voidmage> super-easy
[04:13] <voidmage> :P
[04:13] <Skyblast> until I converted everything to ext3 and my life got a whole lot better ;)
[04:13] <Assimilator> ok so 3g ands config are the same ?
[04:13] <DSlicer> alpha-one- maybe I'm imagining stuff, but I thought Konversation is only an IRC client
[04:13] <chemicalvamp> ext3 is the shit
[04:14] <Skyblast> Indeed. I ran fsck on a drive that is constantly being written and delete all the time.. it's not even 4% fragmented hehe
[04:14] <alpha-one> DSlicer: it is, perhaps I'm just mistaken as to what you're looking for
[04:14] <Skyblast> as apposed to ntfs which I had to defrag every week pretty much to keep it fast
[04:15] <premier_> whats special about ext3?  How does it campare to ntfs, or reiser for that matter?
[04:15] <Skyblast> Well, for one it's a journaled file system
[04:15] <chemicalvamp> you defrag ext3 nearly never
[04:15] <chemicalvamp> its that efficent
[04:15] <chemicalvamp> ive never had to
[04:15] <DSlicer> alpha-one- being able to stick multiple contacts, e.g. an AIM contact and an ICQ contact, under a single metacontact
[04:15] <premier_> thats makes sense. Why is it that windows needs to defrag, and linux doesn't?
[04:15] <weswh-> sorry, if anyone answered that please repeat. is there a Kubuntu specific version of this "AutomaticallyMountPartitions" guide?
[04:16] <chemicalvamp> windows isnt as efficient
[04:16] <Skyblast> premier_: Unix filesystems are just designed to be more effecient.
[04:16] <premier_> its just more intellegently designed?
[04:16] <Assimilator> wihndows XP auto defrags when sys is idle
[04:16] <premier_> in theory
[04:16] <premier_> I don't think my computer ever actually did that
[04:16] <Skyblast> Can a filesystem throw up and fragment horribly? sure, but I've seen it like... never
[04:17] <weswh-> what do you guys use for editing system config files? I currently can not get any text editing app to work with root permissions
[04:17] <Skyblast> I use vim
[04:17] <chemicalvamp> Assimilator bill gates could pay the national debt, and still be the richest man in the world
[04:17] <Skyblast> Old school but does the job nicely
[04:17] <weswh-> trying to edit /etc/fstab - i tried sudo kate /etc/fstab, and it says can not connect to x server
[04:17] <chemicalvamp> and linux is free (most distros)
[04:17] <premier_> Skyblast: well, no filesystem can completely defend itself against a power outage or just a good old fashioned error... even with journaling
[04:18] <alpha-one> DSlicer: in that case, don't know
[04:18] <Skyblast> Very true
[04:18] <Skyblast> But I'd trust Extended over ntfs anyway :)
[04:18] <weswh-> yeah, i'm not in a vim learning mode at the moment...need something like ee on freebsd, or a GUI text editor. really don't care, pref. something that is already installed..
[04:18] <weswh-> any other options?
[04:18] <Skyblast> Did you try kdesu for kate?
[04:18] <DSlicer> alpha-one- I haven't really used it for more than a couple hours, so there might be a plugin or something that does it well
[04:18] <Assimilator> ko found ntfs-3g and ntfs-client in reops, which one do i get ?
[04:19] <premier_> Skyblast: do you have any ideas about my scim panel problem?  usually I'm told to find a config file and delete it, but I can't get that to work
[04:19] <chemicalvamp> he said 3g before right?
[04:19] <weswh-> Skyblast: yeah, that keeps failing for some reason
[04:19] <sparr> whats The Ubuntu Way to set up mysql accounts and such?  or just set the root pw?
[04:19] <weswh-> does anyone know "ee"? is it avail for kubuntu? it's just a CLI basic text editor...simple TUI.
[04:19] <weswh-> i tried apt-cache search for it, of course that returned tons of results. heh
[04:19] <Assimilator> yeah someone else brought up client as well
[04:20] <amblard> hi does someone know how to downgrade a package ?
[04:20] <weswh-> flaccid: trying to follow this guide. what would the kde equiv of "gksudo gedit /etc/fstab" be?
[04:20] <chemicalvamp> do you know te version of the downgrade? and why would you want to?
[04:21] <weswh-> i tried kdesu kate, but it says "conversation with su failed"
[04:21] <weswh-> any other (newbie friendly) app you know of that would be installed for editing a system file?
[04:21] <flaccid> enable root
[04:21] <DSlicer> Anyone know offhand if wine can access hardware like a Bluetooth adapter?
[04:21] <flaccid> sudo passwd root
[04:21] <lee_> How do i auto-mount a hard drive at boot? I dont' quite get the instructions given on ubuntuguide.org.
[04:21] <amblard> chemicalvamp: I want to switch from libx11-6_1.1.1-1 to libx11-6_1.0.3.-6
[04:22] <chemicalvamp> can u sudo apt-get the downgrade? ive never tried this so im not sure how to do it
[04:22] <flaccid> lee_: what instruction do you not understand in the guide?
[04:23] <lee_> well, i don't have Fstab or whatever.
[04:23] <weswh-> hmm, actually, i just looked at fstab read only - there is no reference to hdb in the file...so I am not sure why this mount is failing.
[04:23] <lee_> in the directly it tells me to use.
[04:23] <boyke> hallo
[04:23] <Whiz2> using liveCD mode, I've loaded the grub shell in order to "setup" grub in the MBR (partition table) of the drive i've copied my installation to, but when I specify (hd0) as the drive to install grub to it tells me I've specified an invalid device
[04:23] <boyke> how to install java on kubuntu
[04:24] <flaccid> lee_: if you didnt have it, your computer wouldn't boot
[04:24] <flaccid> weswh-work: whats the error
[04:24] <lee_> well i just did what the instructions said.
[04:24] <premier_> boyke: i think you have to install the binaries from sun
[04:24] <boyke> hows that ?
[04:24] <premier_> java.sun.com iirc
[04:24] <flaccid> lee_: you are not really giving any info here...
[04:24] <Skyblast> Actually java's in the repos now
[04:25] <Whiz2> if hd0 is the wrong device, how do I find out what device it is?
[04:25] <amblard> chemicalvamp : it does not seem to work apt-get does not like the -1.0.3-6 part
[04:25] <boyke> how to get java with repos?
[04:25] <lee_> well i'm working on the problem. i'm installing gksu right now.
[04:25] <premier_> Skyblast: really?  I though the wouldn't include it till java was open source in the fall
[04:25] <flaccid> !java > boyke
[04:25] <premier_> boyke: should be sudo apt-get install java
[04:25] <chemicalvamp> if you really must have it, look on the repo sites
[04:25] <flaccid> lee_: you can use kdesu instead of gksu
[04:25] <Skyblast> Java's already been open sourced I thought
[04:25] <mangya> Hi all. I have a problem with mounting of video cds
[04:25] <chemicalvamp> im still wondering why you want it :)
[04:26] <weswh-> "mount -o umask=0222 /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb" = "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb1, missing codepage or other error". this is a newly partitioned/formatted drive from qtparted. mount /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb seems to work fine as far as root is concerned. just doesn't do my user any good.
[04:26] <premier_> chemicalvamp: why would you want java?  Why wouldn't you want java?  Even if its just one program...
[04:26] <weswh-> and the mount point is set to 777, owner user:user
[04:27] <flaccid> weswh-work: i already went through this with you and it looks like you ignored my advice
[04:27] <weswh-> I looked in fstab, there is no reference to hdb
[04:27] <chemicalvamp> oh didnt see
[04:27] <flaccid> weswh- it doesn't need to be in fstab
[04:27] <fryed96> hi everybody
[04:27] <lee_> flaccid: could you just tell me how to automount a drive then? :)
[04:27] <weswh-> ok, i thought thats where we were at before.
[04:27] <flaccid> !ntfs
[04:27] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[04:28] <boyke> yesterday iwas using the apt-get to install java
[04:28] <boyke> but im forget
[04:28] <boyke> how
[04:28] <flaccid> people who want to mount drives please read the above. its important to know how to do it
[04:28] <chemicalvamp> sudo umount (dev/device)
[04:28] <aro> boyke, open synaptic and search for java
[04:28] <fryed96> i cant install flash
[04:28] <flaccid> !java
[04:28] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[04:29] <flaccid> sun-java6-jre
[04:29] <weswh-> i've read through that link...i am not seeing how to solve this error unfortunately. I am not trying to get this to automount, it is an ext3 fs. could you tell me what exactly I need to be concentrating on?
[04:29] <flaccid> depending on which version you need
[04:29] <flaccid> weswh-work: i already gave you the command
[04:29] <boyke> error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[04:29] <boyke> what is the problem?
[04:29] <lee_> holy crap that was soooo much easier by using a script.
[04:29] <premier_> fryed96: to get flash to work, i think you need to get the macromedia binaries
[04:29] <flaccid> [2007-04-25 11:48]  <flaccid> sudo mount -t ext3 -o rw /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1
[04:29] <lee_> thanks flaccid.
[04:29] <flaccid> that was a long time ago to when you first asked...
[04:30] <flaccid> !find libstdc
[04:30] <ubotu> Found: libstdc++5, libstdc++5-3.3-dev, libstdc++6, libstdc++6-4.1-dbg, libstdc++6-4.1-dev (and 12 others)
[04:30] <flaccid> !info libstdc++5
[04:30] <ubotu> libstdc++5: The GNU Standard C++ Library v3. In component main, is optional. Version 1:3.3.6-15ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 289 kB, installed size 852 kB
[04:30] <weswh-> yeah, sorry about that. got disconnected and lost my buffer from earlier. so I should just add the umask=0222 into that?
[04:30] <flaccid> install that above package boyke
[04:30] <weswh-> my question is, why do I need to specify type for example, if doing "mount" by itself is working (without the umask argument)
[04:30] <flaccid> weswh- you obviously didn't read:
[04:30] <flaccid> !ntfs
[04:30] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[04:31] <flaccid> it explains umasks on this page..
[04:31] <boyke> how to install?
[04:31] <flaccid> boyke: with adept or apt-get or whatever you prefer
[04:31] <boyke> oh ic
[04:31] <boyke> ok
[04:31] <boyke> i try fisrt
[04:32] <boyke> thanks flacid and ubotu
[04:32] <flaccid> np
[04:32] <weswh-> ok, i guess I am just not seeing the explanation. i was using 0222 because it worked for me before - is that something specific to ntfs?
[04:32] <flaccid> yes
[04:33] <flaccid> do you even read what i write
[04:33] <Zoohouse> dwidmann: sup?
[04:33] <badworm425> hi, when i go to boot up Kubuntu using the live cd (v6.06) it comes up with "input not support" bouncing around my screen.  does anyone know how to fix this?
[04:34] <premier_> I'm using file encryption with the command encfs [encrypted folder]  [dest folder] .  To do it it needs to access /dev/fuse, which by default has root access.  If I do sudo encfs, encfs produces no error message, but it fails to create the folder.  /dev/fuse is set to root access every boot.  Is there a way to perminately change the permissions of /dev/fuse?
[04:34] <weswh-> flaccid: look, I've been looking at this document off and on for a couple of hours. I'm sure the information is there but I am just not answering my questions with it, yet everyone says the answer is there. Obviously this is my misunderstanding so that's all I am trying to get at. First off, the section that talks about umasks (in relation to the fstab lines) doesn't contain an entry for Linux filesystems
[04:34] <weswh-> so that's kind of my initial point of confusion
[04:34] <flaccid> i gave you the command
[04:34] <flaccid> as well..
[04:35] <weswh-> right, but that command isn't letting my user access the mount...
[04:35] <flaccid> then advise why..
[04:35] <flaccid> troubleshoot
[04:35] <flaccid> telling us it doesn't work means nothing.
[04:36] <weswh-> that's what I'm asking. i don't consider it a stupid question really...heres what I know: doing "mount /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb", mounts the drive successfully for root access. I had the same issue when the drive was NTFS, and umask=0222 (whatever that means exactly) worked. that no longer works. looking at your command..
[04:36] <weswh-> I am trying to figure out what in there, would attempt to grant user access to the mount..
[04:37] <weswh-> and you keep saying, read that link
[04:37] <flaccid> yes
[04:37] <flaccid> and you don't read it
[04:37] <flaccid> you don't want to spend time to try to understand
[04:37] <weswh-> can you tell me where to read? I have read the entire document
[04:37] <flaccid> did you even try the command i suggested?
[04:38] <flaccid> i told you about uid as well
[04:38] <flaccid> lets look at the doc:
[04:38] <flaccid> **uid=1000 restricts access to the user created while installing Ubuntu. 1001 is the user created after that, and so forth. gid=# may be used with or in place of uid to grant access to a group. However, group and user enumeration is beyond the scope of this article. To learn more about options, type 'man mount'.
[04:38] <flaccid> a combination of umask and uid is perfect or just uid and rw
[04:38] <weswh-> so wouldn't i need uid in this: sudo mount -t ext3 -o rw /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1 ?
[04:39] <flaccid> eg.: /dev/hda3       /media/mydrive                       ext3    rw,uid=1001                      0       1
[04:39] <flaccid> thats what the document says that you read..
[04:39] <weswh-> ok - am i wrong in thinking that I could just mount this without making an fstab entry?
[04:39] <flaccid> sudo mount -t ext3 -o rw,uid=1001 /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1
[04:39] <flaccid> no
[04:39] <flaccid> i was giving you the example if you were to put it in fstab
[04:40] <flaccid> if you don't understand somethign that you read, then ask us here specificly what you don't understand instead of "it doesn't work"
[04:40] <bobstro> apparently the konqueror profiles applet changes in feisty. when i launch the file manager option, it no longer shows the folder bar. anybody know where to set/reset the behavior of this?
[04:41] <weswh-> heh, ok..going to try some things. sorry if I seemed agitated, I really do appreciate the help
[04:41] <lee_> so how do you change the clock into a 12 hour format? :)
[04:41] <Daisuke_Ido> good question, i use 24h
[04:42] <flaccid> weswh-: all cool. you'll find im just bitch of a person to work with :)
[04:42] <lee_> 21:42 means absolutely nothing to me. without thinking really hard :(
[04:42] <bobstro> lee_: right click on it and configure works for me.
[04:42] <flaccid> lee_: right click clock and go to date and time format
[04:42] <Skyblast> lee_: Right click on your time, and click on date & time format
[04:43] <Skyblast> go to the Time & Dates tab. You can change it there
[04:43] <lee_> ooook? i don't see a 12 hour format..
[04:43] <Skyblast> See time format
[04:43] <Skyblast> click the drop down bix and there's an AMPM entry
[04:43] <Daisuke_Ido> lee_: second option in the dropdown
[04:43] <flaccid> 24h time is good
[04:43] <flaccid> :p
[04:43] <rr73> hey all, my wifi card works under xubuntu live cd, im dl and burning a kubuntu live cd right now to see if it works because it doesnt work on my installed system. id the same exact driver i did on xubuntu cd and installed it but no luck
[04:44] <pollyo> rr73: Are the ubuntu versions the same for you xubuntu and kubuntu?
[04:45] <flaccid> versions?
[04:45] <pollyo> rr73: For example are they both 6.10 or both 7.04?
[04:45] <flaccid> not exactly
[04:45] <flaccid> yeah good point
[04:46] <flaccid> lsb_release -a on both and compare
[04:46] <weswh-> flaccid: i keep getting usage errors on that mount command. I've tried it a couple of ways, and I am not sure what it doesn't like. one way or another the uid=1001 portion it seems
[04:46] <weswh-> but i am not sure what else to do with that
[04:46] <flaccid> what is the actual error
[04:46] <flaccid> incorrect syntax basically?
[04:46] <weswh-> yeah, it's a long usage print out
[04:47] <weswh-> going over the various options etc.
[04:47] <rr73> pollyo: yes
[04:47] <rr73> pollyo: just dl the isos today
[04:47] <rr73> and i upgraded this one a few days ago from edgy, thats when my wifi broke
[04:47] <flaccid> weswh-: what is the exact command you are running
[04:48] <rr73> sorry was on anothe computer
[04:48] <pollyo> rr73: Are they both using the same kernel version?
[04:48] <flaccid> that doesn't answere the question rr73
[04:48] <rrmm> yes same kernel
[04:48] <flaccid> comapre lsb_release -a and uname -a rrmm
[04:48] <pollyo> flaccid: Could they also both be using a different kernel release with the same version#?
[04:49] <flaccid> its possible, but i don't see how wifi relates to kernel
[04:49] <weswh-> "mount -t ext3 -o rw /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb" works. again just not for user access. "sudo mount -t ext3 -o rw,uid=1001 /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1" gives the error, and removing the comma gives the error as well
[04:49] <pollyo> flaccid: I'n not sure myself. I'm just reaching on that idea.
[04:49] <james__> hey anyone here have a logitech g7 mouse or similar?
[04:49] <rrmm> No LSB modules are available.
[04:49] <james__> i can't get my extra buttons to work :(
[04:50] <realbt> does anyone else find themselves stuck with gnome-style mouse pointers/cursors when using beryl?
[04:51] <pollyo> weswh-: have you tried the defaults option?
[04:51] <flaccid> weswh-: it works for me not sure why not for you
[04:51] <weswh-> hmm
[04:51] <weswh-> oh, well it says that uid1001 is the second user created
[04:51] <weswh-> maybe i don't have that
[04:52] <weswh-> i only have 1 user...so uid=1000 might be what i need
[04:52] <flaccid> try defaults but that uses suid
[04:52] <flaccid> weswh-: ah yeah thats the problem
[04:52] <flaccid> weswh-: next time pastebin the actual error output of the command
[04:53] <flaccid> confirm uid by doing cat /etc/passwd | grep username
[04:53] <mg> Hi, I'm getting htpasswd2 (command not found)  in feisty...apache2-utils are installed :S
[04:53] <duck_> when trying to cp something in the command line, it won't let me, it just says "cp: omitting directory 'directoryname'"
[04:53] <weswh-> oh, i also had a comma in there after the -o rw, uid= - that was a problem as well. but it did work that time, came back with the bad fs type, bad superblock, etc
[04:53] <rrmm> pollyo: No LSB modules are available.
[04:53] <weswh-> rather, not a comma - a space
[04:53] <flaccid> duck_: you need to use the -R option to recurse a directory
[04:53] <bobstro> does the konqueror file manager profile look wrong after upgrade to feisty? my menus are out of order, no folder entry. the webbrowsing profile seems ok.
[04:54] <flaccid> weswh-: are you sure its ext3. verify with sudo fdisk -l
[04:55] <weswh-> yeah, it comes up and says "Linux" on the fdisk -l
[04:55] <weswh-> id 83?
[04:55] <rrmm> im just wondering why that it will work on a live cd and not my system
[04:55] <rrmm> ill burn a cd and see if it works on a kubuntu live cd
[04:55] <weswh-> i'm starting to think something in the drive formatting or partition is wrong though
[04:55] <flaccid> 83 is ext3
[04:56] <pollyo> rrmm: Are you sure you downloaded the same versions?
[04:56] <flaccid> weswh-: looks like it
[04:56] <flaccid> weswh-: try doing it without -t
[04:56] <weswh-> because I have stripped it down to this: "mount -o uid=1000 /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb", and it comes back and says bad fs type, bad superblock, etc.
[04:56] <flaccid> see if it will do it auto
[04:56] <pollyo> rrmm: The xubuntu site has links for 7.04 and 6.06.1 right next to eachother.
[04:56] <compilerwriter> What in the world would be using adept without my knowlege?
[04:56] <weswh-> it's just strange to me that without any options, it does mount.
[04:56] <flaccid> weswh-: then add the type
[04:56] <rrmm> pollyo: yes im sure
[04:56] <rrmm> i blanked the
[04:56] <pollyo> rrmm: We didn't see your response as far as checking as someone suggested.
[04:56] <flaccid> weswh-: mount it without any options then do a mount | grep hdb and see what its mounted as
[04:57] <rrmm> No LSB modules are available.
[04:57] <flaccid> rrmm: lsb_release -a returns more than that
[04:57] <rrmm> its 7.04
[04:57] <rrmm> as i said
[04:57] <flaccid> hooray
[04:57] <weswh-> ah, ok..the dmesg gives me some more info on this
[04:57] <flaccid> i don't think you said that but anyway
[04:58] <flaccid> weswh-: also check /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog
[04:58] <weswh-> 'unrecognized mount option "uid=1000" or missing value
[04:58] <flaccid> maybe we are doing it wrong for manual mount
[04:58] <flaccid> 1 second
[04:58] <pollyo> rrmm: I thought you said that xubuntu worked but not ubuntu.
[04:58] <flaccid> sorry im used to freebsd
[04:58] <rrmm> it does
[04:58] <rrmm> pollyo: the xubuntu live cd
[04:58] <weswh-> (it's saying the same thing about the umask=0222 from earlier - which did work fine when the drive was ntfs though). so i am not so sure
[04:58] <pollyo> rrmm: Now am I reading the LiveCD works but the Installed version does not?  Is the LiveCD and the installed version both xubuntu?
[04:59] <rrmm> no
[04:59] <rrmm> installed is kubuntu
[04:59] <rrmm> my first post has all this in it
[04:59] <pollyo> rrmm: Does the networkcard work on the live Kubuntu?
[04:59] <rrmm> like i said im going to burn a kubuntu live cd and see if it works
[04:59] <weswh-> flaccid: yeah, one tool I love in freebsd is "ee". simple console text editor. going to look into getting that set up on this system later.
[05:00] <flaccid> a text editor is a text editor. i use joe
[05:00] <rrmm> i use vi
[05:00] <dwidmann> vim :)
[05:00] <weswh-> i'm just not familiar enough with what's on this system. need to get something installed so that I don't have to attempt to launch kate or whatever.
[05:01] <pollyo> If I install ubuntu server on a computer and later change the network card will it autodetect the card or will I have to install the specific driver?
[05:01] <flaccid> i think it could be a capito O weswh-
[05:01] <Daisuke_Ido> weswh-: quick simple litle console text editors?  pico isn't bad
[05:01] <Daisuke_Ido> i wouldn't use it for heavy work, but hey, it could be worse
[05:01] <weswh-> hmm, i'll try. but lowercase o has worked for me on mounts before
[05:01] <flaccid> sudo mount -t ext3 -O rw,uid=1001 /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1
[05:01] <bobstro> weswh-: there's a deb for ee
[05:02] <Daisuke_Ido> flaccid: i've never used an uppercase O
[05:02] <weswh-> whatta ya know...appears to have worked!
[05:02] <Daisuke_Ido> maybe i should
[05:02] <compilerwriter> Adept is locked up for some reason unknown to me.  What to do now?
[05:02] <weswh-> but for whatever reason, i still can't access the drive :(
[05:03] <rrmm> pollyo: shoul di be asking in #xubuntu?
[05:03] <weswh-> ok, nevermind..now I can
[05:03] <flaccid> thats what man mount says. -o and -O are differnt
[05:03] <weswh-> just weird Konqueror bugs...
[05:03] <pollyo> rrmm: You could give it a try.
[05:03] <rrmm> i need to go to bed
[05:03] <rrmm> ACT in the morning
[05:03] <flaccid> weswh-: so it was -O ?
[05:03] <Daisuke_Ido> flaccid: i'm probably thinking about using -o loop
[05:03] <weswh-> i hit refresh several times etc, could not do a thing with it. issued a mkdir command via my root console, and everything came alive.
[05:03] <weswh-> flaccid, yes -O
[05:03] <rrmm> i will probaly be back tomorrow
[05:04] <flaccid> ok
[05:04] <flaccid> weswh-: so done?
[05:04] <weswh-> oh, you know what...i just don't have write permission. i need to add that back in
[05:04] <flaccid> i found this to be a bit better than the manpage: http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man8/mount.8.html
[05:04] <weswh-> THEN, should be in the clear. heh
[05:04] <zoohouse> Need help installing nvidia.. I am following online howtos with no luck. If I install nvidia-glx then I can't install nvidia-xconfig or nvidia-settings. Whats going on?
[05:05] <bobstro> zoohouse: it won't let you install nvidia-settings?
[05:06] <pollyo> brb
[05:06] <weswh-> yeah...using the -O rw,uid=1000 - it still didn't mount it with write permissions for anyone but owner.
[05:06] <rrmm> good night nerds
[05:06] <flaccid> this is where umask comes in..
[05:06] <weswh-> maybe that umask will work with -O
[05:06] <rrmm> wish me luck on my ACT tomorrow
[05:06] <flaccid> and /or correct perms on the mountpoint
[05:06] <zoohouse> bobstro: no. If I install nvidia-glx and if i try to install nvidia-settings, it will uninstall nvidia-glx
[05:06] <zoohouse> Don't know why
[05:07] <flaccid> weswh-: yes it will. what is the output ot ls -l /media/hdb1 BEFORE mounting?
[05:07] <bobstro> zoohouse: and nvidia-settings wasn't installed with glx?
[05:07] <bobstro> zoohouse: i just installed nvidia-glx today and it seems nvidia-settings came with it.
[05:08] <zoohouse> bobstro: didn't check
[05:08] <compilerwriter> !adept
[05:08] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[05:08] <sbalneav> Hello!  I'm trying out kubuntu.  I'd like to change the frequency on my flatpanel (it's at 75hz at the moment, I'd like 60hz).  Where would I adjust that?
[05:08] <bobstro> zoohouse: i just double-checked, and i've only got nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-common installed (feisty)
[05:09] <flaccid> sbalneav: in xorg.conf
[05:09] <zoohouse> bobstro: humm, let me see
[05:09] <hitmanWilly> nvidia-xconfig and nvidia-settings all come with -glx
[05:09] <zoohouse> bobstro: did you have to do anything else after installing nvidia-glx?
[05:09] <zoohouse> bobstro: same here now
[05:09] <bobstro> zoohouse: according to dpkg -S /usr/bin/nvidia-settings, it's part of nvidia-glx
[05:09] <weswh-> "total 0"?
[05:09] <zoohouse> bobstro: did you run any other commands or edited the xorg.config file?
[05:09] <bobstro> zoohouse: no, not for that. if you just run 'nvidia-settings', no luck?
[05:09] <flaccid> weswh-: i think i meant ls -l /mnt | grep hdb1
[05:09] <sbalneav> flaccid: Ah, so no gui selection for that one? OK, thanks.
[05:10] <flaccid> sbalneav: not that i know of.
[05:10] <flaccid> unless its in system settings or kcontrol - maybe it is, have you looked?
[05:11] <weswh-> nothing comes back on that. the mount point is /media/hdb
[05:11] <sbalneav> I've looked, but nothing's leaping out at me :)  I'll poke around a bit more.
[05:11] <flaccid> weswh-: i think i meant ls -l /mnt | grep hdb
[05:11] <zoohouse> bobstro: let me give nvidia-setting a run brb
[05:11] <hitmanWilly> you have to sudo nvidia-settings, tho
[05:11] <hitmanWilly> iirc
[05:11] <zoohouse> bobstro: I ran nvidia-settings and it worked. Is that all?
[05:11] <hitmanWilly> flaccid, its in there, but xorg.conf has to be set up to allow it
[05:12] <weswh-> tried that as well, but it returned nothing
[05:12] <flaccid> hitmanWilly: ah kubuntu sux then
[05:12] <emerson> aew
[05:12] <weswh-> i tried doing mount -O rw,uid=1000,umask-0222...
[05:12] <emerson> alguem fala portugues aew?
[05:12] <bobstro> hitmanWilly: i'm running it as normal user, apparently successfully.
[05:12] <flaccid> weswh-: i think i meant ls -l /media | grep hdb
[05:12] <weswh-> still, root access only. do i need to break down and start editing fstab?
[05:13] <flaccid> weswh-: need the output of the command. and also why do you not want this in fstab,  you only going to plug it in once?
[05:13] <nathansoz> ok i have the disk unreal tournament 2004 which can be installed on linux
[05:13] <nathansoz> but when i run the shell script to install
[05:13] <nathansoz> it says
[05:13] <weswh-> "drwxrwxrwx 2 wes wes 4096 timestamp hdb"
[05:13] <nathansoz> "bad interpriter" permission denied
[05:13] <hitmanWilly> bobstro, you mean nvidia-xconfig can modify xorg.conf as a normal user? that shouldn't work...
[05:13] <hitmanWilly> bobstro, err, nvidia-settings...
[05:13] <nathansoz> any ideas
[05:13] <flaccid> weswh-: and what is it after mount
[05:14] <zoohouse> bobstro: you just ran nvidia-settings and thats all? it worked there after?
[05:14] <flaccid> nathansoz: did you run it under sudo/root
[05:14] <nathansoz> yes
[05:14] <nathansoz> i am root
[05:14] <flaccid> nathansoz: ask UT2004 what the prob is. doesn't look like a kubuntu problem
[05:14] <nathansoz> ok
[05:14] <weswh-> yeah, just trying to copy some data for backup purposes. not being able to mount/unmount things and have my user access them has been my #1 (and pretty much only) complaint with the system for as long as I've run it. about 6 months
[05:15] <weswh-> so, just trying to figure out what it is I am doing wrong - and why more people aren't asking this question. hehe
[05:15] <flaccid> weswh-: its a very common question. some people spend time reading so they have the power to do it correctly.
[05:15] <flaccid> anyway what is the output after mount ?
[05:15] <flaccid> ie. the perms on the mountpoint
[05:15] <Admiral_Chicago> I need the name of that popular emulator that all the kids are using
[05:16] <weswh-> drwxr-xr-x 4 root root
[05:16] <weswh-> after the mount using -O rw,uid=1000
[05:16] <flaccid> and what is cat /etc/passwd | grep 1000
[05:16] <flaccid> does that return the correct user?
[05:16] <weswh-> yep
[05:17] <flaccid> what is the output of mount | grep hdb
[05:18] <weswh-> - /dev/hdb1 on /media/hdb type ext3 (rw)
[05:18] <tmbg> Admiral_Chicago, qemu? vmware?
[05:18] <flaccid> weswh-: you havnt mounted it with the uid
[05:18] <weswh-> hmm
[05:18] <hitmanWilly> tmbg, those aren't emulators, they're virtual machines, big difference
[05:19] <weswh-> maybe the comma isn't the ticket? looking at that link you gave..
[05:20] <hitmanWilly> tmbg, well, vmware isn't anyway
[05:20] <tmbg> hitmanWilly, ok, but what actual EMULATOR are all the kids using? I can't think of any anymore.
[05:20] <hitmanWilly> tmbg, got me...
[05:20] <tmbg> Admiral_Chicago, what on earth are you trying to do, and we'll hook you up with the right software.
[05:20] <tmbg> I have a hunch a lot of people still refer to translation engines and virtual machines as emulators.
[05:21] <weswh-> hmm, according to this i am not sure uid is even a valid argument for ext3
[05:22] <flaccid> sudo mount -t ext3 -O uid=1000,rw,umask=000 /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1
[05:23] <Whiz2> i'm having major issues over here with copying my old boot partition to my new boot partition, and instaling grub
[05:23] <bobstro> weswh-: so you're trying to over-ride the actual owner on the mounted filesystem?
[05:24] <flaccid> maybe you are right, weswh-
[05:24] <flaccid> try
[05:24] <Admiral_Chicago> tmbg play NES ROMs and all that jazz
[05:24] <flaccid> sudo mount -t ext3 -O rw,umask=000 /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1
[05:24] <flaccid> that should do it
[05:24] <flaccid> ie. umask only
[05:24] <bobstro> Admiral_Chicago: mame is popular for arcade machine emulation
[05:25] <Admiral_Chicago> bobstro: thanks
[05:25] <Admiral_Chicago> I realize apt-cache search works
[05:25] <Admiral_Chicago> but I don't know which emulator most people use
[05:26] <weswh-> nah, umask only returns the exact same in the mount grep
[05:26] <bobstro> Admiral_Chicago: well, that really depends which games they're after, and which systems they're trying to emulate.
[05:27] <bobstro> weswh-: it's usually not that difficult!
[05:27] <Admiral_Chicago> true...
[05:27] <flaccid> weswh-: what do you mean
[05:27] <tmbg> Admiral_Chicago, mame has been the good old standby for a long ass time.
[05:27] <flaccid> i work with UFS and fat filesystems mostly so im not familiar with ext options
[05:27] <weswh-> i mean, when i mounted it with -O rw,umask=000 - the output of mount | grep hdb was the same as before. and nothing changed in terms of access rights
[05:28] <weswh-> see again in that mount page you linked...when i search for umask, it talks about fat, hfs, and hpfs
[05:28] <weswh-> yeah
[05:28] <ardchoille> Yesterday I switched from Ubuntu to Kubuntu and am very impressed :) Someone did an outstanding job!
[05:28] <ardchoille> Was getting tired of gnome anyway ;)
[05:28] <weswh-> i guess i'll set it up in fstab
[05:28] <bobstro> weswh-: i normally don't require uid or umask for ext3 *if the files on the mounted filesystem have correct ownership*
[05:29] <flaccid> weswh-: yep. im used to using fstab and using other fileystems. try fstab first as you say
[05:29] <flaccid> weswh-: you did try doing a chown on the mountpoint After mount ?
[05:30] <flaccid> ext3 uses acl so you should be able to change it?
[05:30] <weswh-> nope, not after mount
[05:30] <flaccid> operation not permitted?
[05:30] <flaccid> oh you didn't ry
[05:30] <weswh-> no i did not try
[05:30] <weswh-> right
[05:30] <flaccid> give it a try
[05:30] <flaccid> maybe thats all it is
[05:31] <bobstro> weswh-: ls -l on mountpoint is showing the ownership you expect?
[05:31] <weswh-> at this point in time fstab seems like a better way to go. hehe
[05:31] <weswh-> bobstro: prior to mounting, yes
[05:31] <flaccid> it goes to root 744 after
[05:31] <bobstro> weswh-: how about after mounting?
[05:31] <bobstro> weswh-: specifically, the files etc. under it?
[05:32] <danny500> yo I'm havin a problem
[05:32] <flaccid> can you chmod 777 /media/hdb after mount ?
[05:32] <flaccid> !ask
[05:32] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[05:32] <Jack3132> how do i change default programs in kubuntu?
[05:32] <flaccid> oops
[05:32] <bobstro> weswh-: (not to butt in) i've generally only had problems like that if transporting over a disk, or remote mounting one created on another system with different uid/gids etc.
[05:33] <danny500> two of my program won't start properly
[05:33] <danny500> konversation and ktorrent
[05:33] <flaccid> bobstro: yeah its just a matter of the right options for ext3. heh we dont know them very well
[05:33] <Jack3132> I want to make firefox my default browser instead of konqueror
[05:33] <flaccid> !find defaults
[05:33] <ubotu> Found: beryl-defaults
[05:33] <bobstro> flaccid: (hi again btw) if ownership is correct, usually just mounting is sufficient with ext3 and defaults.
[05:33] <danny500> jack3132: go into firefox's prefrenses then tell it to do that
[05:33] <flaccid> Jack3132: thats in system settings somewhere. someone can say?
[05:33] <Jack3132> ok, thanks
[05:33] <danny500> np
[05:34] <flaccid> bobstro: thats what i thought too. he reckons not so
[05:34] <danny500> !pastebin
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[05:34] <weswh-> chown -R wes:wes /media/hdb did the trick
[05:34] <jmg> hey all what are the chicago gremlins?
[05:34] <jmg> !gremlins
[05:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gremlins - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:34] <jmg> !gremlin
[05:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gremlin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:34] <bobstro> weswh-: so ownership?
[05:34] <jmg> :(
[05:34] <flaccid> weswh-: lol yeah you said you couldn't chown after mount before, but maybe i misread you
[05:35] <bobstro> weswh-: was that disk filesystem created on another system?
[05:35] <flaccid> ext3 saves acl permissions on files
[05:35] <flaccid> ah yeah maybe that also contributed to the problem is users and uids didn't match
[05:36] <bobstro> flaccid: i get caught with nfs mounts all the time. :)
[05:36] <flaccid> i'm a ufs guy
[05:36] <danny500> ext3
[05:36] <danny500> lol
[05:36] <bobstro> i just run into walls until things work. :)
[05:36] <danny500> hey, I'm having a problem opening two programs
[05:36] <bobstro> flaccid: did latest firefox updates fix your mime issues?
[05:36] <danny500> konversation and ktorrent
[05:36] <flaccid> mime issues?
[05:36] <danny500> any help here?
[05:36] <bobstro> danny500: what do you mean opening?
[05:37] <danny500> they just won't open
[05:37] <flaccid> um thats a kubuntu bug. nothign to do with mime
[05:37] <pollyo> Anyone know if ubuntu supports the tulip chipset for network cards?
[05:37] <bobstro> flaccid: other day we got off to bad start, you were trying to change default app launched e.g. for .torrents, if i understood right.
[05:37] <flaccid> yes
[05:37] <bobstro> pollyo: it should be fine. i don't have any tulip cards anymore, but used them heavily until recently.
[05:37] <flaccid> and i found it as a bug
[05:38] <danny500> i got konversation to open by finding the dcop programs and turning them on but then I got a message that /home/danny500/.kde/share/config/konversationrc is not writable and niether is /home/danny500/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals
[05:38] <bobstro> flaccid: i bumped into it today after installing feisty, but got it fixed up ok.
[05:38] <flaccid> a big bug that makes kubuntu look like a non-function POS
[05:38] <weswh-> well, thanks for all the help. now copying 55 gigs in 32 minutes. awesome.
[05:38] <flaccid> bobstro: so in the firefox d/l manager you can click on open a completed download and open download folder?
[05:38] <flaccid> weswh-: cool
[05:38] <weswh-> definitely interesting looking at all of this, i'm going to make an effort to understand it all more fully. i mean, i understand what eventually worked obviously
[05:39] <pollyo> BBL
[05:39] <weswh-> but i'll explore the fstab side of it and all
[05:39] <flaccid> weswh-: yeah bookmark that page on mount wer were using that was a good one
[05:40] <flaccid> danny500: did you fix up the perms on your conf files so it can write to them?
[05:40] <flaccid> weswh-: fstab is for every drive except ones that you are only pluggin in say for a little bit. if its permanent or semi permanent fstab is the go (you probably know all this anyway)
[05:40] <danny500> it says that it won't save the configuration of the programs
[05:40] <danny500> what? how do I do that?
[05:41] <bobstro> flaccid: trying that now.
[05:41] <flaccid> danny500: what does ls -l /home/danny500/.kde/share/config/konversationrc return?
[05:41] <danny500> ls: /home/danny500/.kde/share/config/konversationrc: Permission denied
[05:41] <flaccid> and
[05:41] <flaccid> danny500: what does sudo ls -l /home/danny500/.kde/share/config/konversationrc return?
[05:42] <danny500> ls: /home/danny500/.kde/share/config/konversationrc: No such file or directory
[05:42] <flaccid> it doesn't exist
[05:42] <flaccid> can you do touch /home/danny500/.kde/share/config/konversationrc
[05:42] <danny500> no such file? I installed it, uninstalled, then reinstalled it
[05:43] <danny500> what do you mean?
[05:43] <flaccid> touch /home/danny500/.kde/share/config/konversationrc
[05:43] <flaccid> its a command
[05:43] <flaccid> does it return an error or null?
[05:43] <danny500> cannot touch `/home/danny500/.kde/share/config/konversationrc': Permission denied
[05:43] <flaccid> does /home/danny500/.kde/share/config exist?
[05:44] <flaccid> file /home/danny500/.kde/share/config
[05:44] <flaccid> ^^ command
[05:44] <danny500> permission denied
[05:44] <danny500> ARGH
[05:45] <flaccid> under sudo
[05:45] <flaccid> looks like you don't even have a config directory
[05:45] <danny500> sudo /home/danny500/.kde/share/config?
[05:45] <flaccid> sudo file /home/danny500/.kde/share/config
[05:45] <flaccid> whats that return
[05:45] <danny500> sudo file /home/danny500/.kde/share/config
[05:45] <danny500> /home/danny500/.kde/share/config: directory
[05:46] <flaccid> danny500: can you please pastebin the output of this ls -lRha /home/danny500/.kde
[05:46] <flaccid> actually that should be sudo ls -Rha /home/danny500/.kde
[05:47] <flaccid> oops
[05:47] <flaccid> actually that should be sudo ls -lRha /home/danny500/.kde
[05:47] <flaccid> if i can look at that i can seem if there is a perm prob or missing configurations
[05:48] <danny500> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17535/
[05:48] <flaccid> man
[05:48] <flaccid> you are missing everything in .kde
[05:48] <unix_infidel> lol
[05:48] <flaccid> its like you copied but only the dirs copied or something
[05:49] <danny500> ok how do I get it?
[05:49] <flaccid> did you loose data?
[05:49] <wsjunior> what is needed to make konqueror audio preview to work?
[05:49] <danny500> no
[05:49] <flaccid> um
[05:49] <danny500> I just setup 6.10 and just freshly installed everything
[05:50] <danny500> and I'm not freaking reinstalling 6.0 again
[05:50] <wsjunior> is konqueror audio preview working for anyone using feisty?
[05:51] <flaccid> danny500: logout to kdm. goto tty1 ie. ctrl+alt+f1 . login . then sudo rm -R /home/danny500/.kde then make sure /home/danny500 is owned by root. then log into kdm again and you should be right
[05:51] <chemicalvamp> what temperature is too hot for a cpu?
[05:51] <flaccid> err
[05:51] <flaccid> ^^ i mean owned by danny500
[05:51] <danny500> chemicalvamp: 4000 degrees
[05:51] <danny500> lol
[05:51] <chemicalvamp> well good cuz i got 129
[05:51] <hitmanWilly> flaccid, that could have been kinda funny
[05:52] <flaccid> usually above 80 degrees celsius for most, some come go a lot more
[05:52] <danny500> 129 degrees!
[05:52] <danny500> holy crap
[05:52] <flaccid> hitmanWilly: yeah and im not even drunk yet
[05:52] <chemicalvamp> ferhinhiet
[05:52] <danny500> get more fans
[05:52] <danny500> never mind
[05:52] <hitmanWilly> lol
[05:52] <chemicalvamp> its a laptop lol
[05:52] <flaccid> meh
[05:52] <flaccid> its 2007. use metric.
[05:52] <flaccid> :p
[05:52] <danny500> I use C cause it's better lol
[05:52] <danny500> :P
[05:52] <chemicalvamp> i cant help it i was raised in usa
[05:53] <Black_Mask> a question: what's the difference between ubuntu/kubuntu's CD and DVD version apart from the difference in size?
[05:53] <danny500> um usa uses C not F lol
[05:53] <eljefe> apache2.2 i think
[05:53] <flaccid> chemicalvamp: yes you can, you can start changing to normal, yesterday
[05:53] <danny500> canada uses F
[05:53] <eljefe> Black_Mask:  apache2.2 i think
[05:53] <chemicalvamp> nope we use F
[05:53] <flaccid> they us F over there
[05:53] <danny500> thats what I just said
[05:53] <hitmanWilly> Black5un, more optional packages on DVD
[05:54] <Black_Mask> eljefe: you're saying cd doesn't have apache 2.2?
[05:54] <eljefe> but that doesn't really account for the full 3+ GB of software...
[05:54] <eljefe> Black_Mask: not the kubuntu or ubuntu desktop, i don't think...
[05:54] <flaccid> ubuntu has a lot of packages
[05:54] <danny500> yeah, no sh!t
[05:54] <flaccid> well some are shit
[05:54] <flaccid> some are alright
[05:55] <flaccid> :p
[05:55] <flaccid> did you fix your kde profile yet
[05:55] <danny500> well it be nice if they would work the first damn time
[05:55] <danny500> hold on no
[05:55] <Black_Mask> eljefe: i'm planning on archiving Ubuntu 6.10 so that i can still use it even after its death on april 2008. do you think that if i dowload and burn the dvd of 6.10, i wouldn't need to go to the internet for grabbing updates and stuffs after april 2008?
[05:55] <flaccid> it would be nice yes
[05:56] <mrcreativity> i need help
[05:56] <danny500> Black_Mask: Yes
[05:56] <bobstro> 6.10 won't STOP working, it just won't be supported.
[05:56] <flaccid> Black_Mask: crazy hehe
[05:56] <mrcreativity> everytime i install ubuntu, my display gets messed up after i update the driver from the repositories
[05:56] <danny500> lol
[05:56] <danny500> mrcreativity: what drivers are you using?
[05:56] <bobstro> Black_Mask: what is your concern? there will be a new LTS version out by that time, presumably.
[05:56] <flaccid> i think that feisty and beyond is going to end up more stable than before as long as they dont try to much shit
[05:57] <Black_Mask> what am i supposed to do after canonical stops supporting 6.10? where would I get security updates after april 2008? keeping the DVD isn't solving the problem in here
[05:57] <mrcreativity> i downloaded something from the update manager
[05:57] <LastMall> if 6.10 is working and you are happy with it, keep it.
[05:57] <mrcreativity> i cant boot into kubuntu now...the display is alol garbled
[05:57] <danny500> mrcreativity: thats descriptive
[05:57] <bobstro> Black_Mask: you can update (for free) to whatever the stable version is at that time.
[05:57] <mrcreativity> there were 2 drivers from the update manager
[05:57] <danny500> mrcreativity: so you downloaded video card drivers without looking at them?
[05:57] <mrcreativity> one was a legacy driver and the other was meant for newer cards
[05:57] <flaccid> Black_Mask: if only support was forever..
[05:57] <mrcreativity> there were only 2 nvidia drivers in the update manager
[05:57] <danny500> you can only have one at a time
[05:57] <bobstro> Black_Mask: they're just guaranteeing 5 years of support for the LTS versions. it's not a lock-in.
[05:58] <danny500> mrcreativity: how old is your graphics card?
[05:58] <mrcreativity> its an nvidia 6600GT
[05:58] <danny500> mrcreativity: how old is it?
[05:58] <eljefe> Black_Mask: thats an interesting question...  I would imagine that either the full DVD or the server-only CD would do the job... updates would still be good though, for security purposes.  That, and by that date there will be a newer Long Term Support (LTS) release.
[05:58] <danny500> in years?
[05:58] <hitmanWilly> mrcreativity, that's regular -glx
[05:58] <mrcreativity> yeah...
[05:58] <mrcreativity> but what do i do now
[05:58] <danny500> mrcreativity: get rid of the legacy drivers
[05:59] <mrcreativity> how? i cant even boot into it
[05:59] <mrcreativity> should i boot into the safe mode or soething?
[05:59] <danny500> can you get into your drive threw live cd?
[06:00] <eljefe> Black_Mask: If you really are planning on that, I would get a server CD and a regular shipped to you from Shipit.Ubuntu.com ...  Those pressed CDs will last _much_ longer than a burned disk (estimated 3-10 years...)
[06:00] <zoohouse> I am having trouble installing nvidia. I have nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-common installed. But when I try to run glxgear, it doesn't work. What can it be?
[06:00] <danny500> try safe mode and also you should also try that fix boot thingy
[06:00] <mrcreativity> danny500: fix boot thing?
[06:00] <eljefe> burned is only 3-10 years, depending.  A real CD will last a lot longer.
[06:00] <Black_Mask> eljefe: these frequenting releases and upgrades and all craziness aint gonna affect my hard disk's performance? you understand that too much upgrading/formatting/reinstalling etc etc somehow, even if a little, affects and shortens the overall age of a HDD. mine is a 160 GB samsung that came with Dell's AMD Athlon Dual Core I bought 6 months ago
[06:00] <danny500> mrcreativity: if safe mode works go into synaptic and get rid of the legacy drivers
[06:00] <mrcreativity> danny500: u need to help me with thAT
[06:01] <danny500> mrcreativity: you know the boot option that says something like fix kernal or what not
[06:01] <BeauJeste> what do i need in the lilo entry to boot kubuntu feisty fawn?
[06:01] <mrcreativity> im booting into revoery mode now...can u helpo me please?
[06:01] <danny500> mrcreativity: only if you type better lol
[06:01] <flaccid> Black_Mask: thats a weird comment. should just never turn on our servers?
[06:01] <mrcreativity> sorry
[06:01] <bobstro> zoohouse: do you get an error?
[06:01] <danny500> mrcreativity: it's ok
[06:01] <eljefe> Black_Mask: I don't think so, not noticably.  A disk will either fail or not, or parts of it.  But reformatting and the like is no real difference than writing data normally.  You're just doing it more, I guess.
[06:01] <mrcreativity> im at a command prompt
[06:01] <danny500> mrcreativity: ok did it load up?
[06:01] <mrcreativity> yes...
[06:01] <danny500> mrcreativity: thats it?
[06:02] <mrcreativity> im at a command prompt...
[06:02] <Black_Mask> eljefe: nah i don't want to get anything sent to me from canonical. I buy expensive and original sony dvds and have a good burner and also distribute cds and dvds for a nominal charge and appreciate canonical's concern but since i have a high speed internet i don't wanna create pressure on canonical it's just unethical
[06:02] <eljefe> I've installed and rewritten/reinstalled dozens of linuxi
[06:02] <flaccid> there is smartmontools to monitor a disk's health
[06:02] <mrcreativity> root desktop
[06:02] <danny500> mrcreativity: hold on
[06:02] <danny500> oh ok so you see gnome?
[06:02] <IO-Jupiter> Hi! How do I get my console/keyboard configured for my locale (pt_PT)? Any help? Thanks
[06:02] <Black_Mask> eljefe: hmm okay thanks
[06:02] <mrcreativity> if gnome is a gui, i dont see it. i see a command line interface
[06:02] <bobstro> Black_Mask: no reason you couldn't store the .iso of the disc elsewhere as insurance.
[06:03] <zoohouse> bobstro: sure do: Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". and Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[06:03] <danny500> mrcreativity: oh ok
[06:03] <eljefe> Black_Mask: if nothing else, if you can afford a decent DVD burner than you can buy new drives as you outgrow that one
[06:03] <eljefe> chances are good that prices will continue to drop ;)
[06:03] <flaccid> replacing drives is a normal part of sysadmin
[06:04] <bobstro> zoohouse: you've got nvidia as driver in xorg.conf
[06:04] <danny500> mrcreativity: type gnome --display
[06:04] <Black_Mask> i buy a new desktop and laptop from dell each year just to stay up to date with the age so that won't be a problem i believe
[06:04] <bobstro> zoohouse: ?
[06:04] <zoohouse> bobstro: all the other time I try to change "nv" to "nvidia", it doesn't work
[06:04] <zoohouse> bobstro: I can try it agin
[06:04] <mrcreativity> gnome command not found
[06:05] <danny500> wow theres a really bad problem with the graphics card drivers
[06:05] <zoohouse> bobstro: ill try it once more
[06:05] <danny500> mrcreativity: damn, your using kde right?
[06:05] <Black_Mask> okay thanks for all the input folks. I believe I shouldn't be too worried lol hastalavista
[06:05] <Black_Mask> oops did i say vista? sheet
[06:05] <bobstro> zoohouse: perhaps system settings->monitor & display and check it there?
[06:06] <flaccid> well vista is a dict word they cant own that even though they will start sueing
[06:06] <BeauJeste> Hi, what do i need in the lilo entry to boot kubuntu feisty fawn?
[06:06] <bobstro> zoohouse: administrator mode->hardware
[06:06] <LastMall> he's gonna go mad when that drive dies tomorrow for no reason whatsoever
[06:06] <flaccid> BeauJeste: kubuntu doesn't support lilo. see the lilo doco
[06:06] <zoohouse> bobstro: let me check
[06:06] <mrcreativity> yes
[06:06] <BeauJeste> so grub is the only choice?
[06:06] <danny500> mrcreativity: oh well I'm using Ubuntu
[06:06] <flaccid> we are always mad when a drive dies. i guess thats why they made backup
[06:07] <flaccid> BeauJeste: no you can use lilo. but i don't think you are going to find someone here that can help you. does #lilo exist or try google, lilo doco/homepage
[06:07] <weswh-> what's the general impression about upgrading from Edgey - Feisty? good success...or better off with a fresh install?
[06:07] <mrcreativity> i tried kdm display
[06:07] <mrcreativity> it went to the garbled screen again
[06:07] <flaccid> upgrade is fine if its successful
[06:07] <BeauJeste> okay, off to do some reading
[06:08] <tmbg> upgrade worked for me, just had to change some stuff in my sources.list.
[06:08] <danny500> how garbled is it?
[06:08] <tmbg> for whatever reason the upgrade confused the SNOT out of my router, and I had to make some changes on it.
[06:08] <BeauJeste> second question what do i need to do to get streaming radio to work in amarok?
[06:08] <zoohouse> bobstro: ima restart xserver, ill be back to see if that worked.
[06:08] <mrcreativity> no offence but does it make a diffreence how garbled it is? i can recognise a thing.
[06:08] <danny500> mrcreativity: how garbled is it/
[06:08] <flaccid> !codecs > BeauJeste
[06:08] <mrcreativity> i mean cant
[06:08] <mrcreativity> sorry
[06:08] <danny500> mrcreativity: oh ok, blue screen of death?
[06:08] <mrcreativity> well...
[06:08] <mrcreativity> not exactly
[06:09] <LastMall> BeauJeste  I just went thru that question
[06:09] <danny500> mrcreativity: with weird text characters everywhere
[06:09] <bobstro> mrcreativity: is it the resolution that's off, distorting screen?
[06:09] <mrcreativity> yeah...u could say that
[06:09] <LastMall> BeauJeste  my answer was to use xmms cause it does it perfectly.
[06:09] <danny500> mrcreativity: but you can see the desktop?
[06:09] <mrcreativity> nope...
[06:09] <BeauJeste> yeah, i sort of like amarok though
[06:09] <bobstro> mrcreativity: ctrl-alt-+ change anything?
[06:09] <BeauJeste> and i could do it easily in amarok on mandriva
[06:10] <mrcreativity> nope
[06:10] <LastMall> BeauJeste  try saving the stream address locally and then running it.
[06:10] <danny500> ok sorry man but I need to fix my computer I can't help you cause I don't know what to do
[06:10] <mrcreativity> can i uninstall the nvidia drivers i installed?
[06:10] <BeauJeste> good thought
[06:10] <danny500> mrcreativity: yes
[06:10] <mrcreativity> without a gui?
[06:10] <danny500> mrcreativity: not sure
[06:10] <danny500> mrcreativity: yes but I don't know how
[06:11] <LastMall> BeauJeste  nothing I tried would start the stream like I can in winamp, but saving the stream address locally and then running it worked
[06:11] <mrcreativity> danny500: thanks for all ur help m8
[06:11] <LastMall> BeauJeste  but i had started over from scratch with only xmms when that thought came to me.
[06:11] <bobstro> mrcreativity: there may be something better, but if all else fails, try "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[06:11] <weswh-> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.04-release.php#upgrade - what do they mean by repeat steps 1-4 at the end there?
[06:12] <BeauJeste> ultimately it has to be the xine codecs right?
[06:12] <BartSimpson> Where is the default PATH variable located? Going to the global bashrc and adding PATH="$PATH:/mydir" wont work if you need it for cron. Is there some file with all the on-boot env vars?
[06:12] <weswh-> first of all, which 1-4..there are two 4 item lists. i don't see the need to repeat eithe of them...granted i'm not going through the process right this second
[06:12] <hitmanWilly> mrcreativity, you can use apt to uninstall stuff w/out a gui
[06:12] <mrcreativity> ill try that thanks
[06:12] <LastMall> BeauJeste  i did a commandline install, then added kdecore then nothing but xmms and it worked
[06:12] <dale> join #linuxactionshow
[06:13] <sstchur> Every once in a while, when I come back to my computer after long periods of time, the screen will be black and NOTHING I do seems to "wake" it up (this is a desktop).  Would that be a KDE issue, a linux issue, or something else entirely?
[06:13] <dcosson> does anyone know offhand the directory in which user-installed icon themes are stored?  i can't remember it
[06:13] <danny500> flaccid
[06:13] <sbalneav> BartSimpson: /etc/profile's what you want.
[06:13] <mrcreativity> thanks
[06:13] <dcosson> sstchur:  likely a video card/drivers issue
[06:13] <dcosson> i've had that problem, it seems to be my intel integrated POS
[06:14] <danny500> flaccid
[06:14] <danny500> danny500@Netkiller:~$ sudo rm -R /home/danny500/.kde
[06:14] <danny500> Password:
[06:14] <danny500> rm: cannot remove `/home/danny500/.kde': No such file or directory
[06:14] <bobstro> sbalneav: isn't that only for interactive shells?
[06:14] <sstchur> dcosson: how would I go about troubleshooting this?
[06:15] <danny500> !flaccid
[06:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flaccid - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:15] <sbalneav> bobstro: Not afaik.
[06:15] <bobstro> sbalneav: just double-checked INVOCATION in man bash, and i believe so.
[06:15] <IO-Jupiter> Hi! How do I get my console/keyboard configured for my locale (pt_PT)? Any help? Thanks
[06:15] <BartSimpson> sbalneav: ah ok thanks
[06:15] <bobstro> BartSimpson: an alternative is to put the appropriate PATH settings in your cron script.
[06:16] <AdamKili> i have a used keyboard i want to sell. how do i test if every key works? whats the command?
[06:16] <zoohouse> bobstro: xserver failed to load. I get this error: API missmatch: The nvidia kernel mod has the version 1.0-9755, but the x mod has the version 1.0-9631. Whats up with that?
[06:16] <dcosson> sstchur:  firstly what kind of video card do you have?
[06:16] <bobstro> zoohouse: er, this is a new install?
[06:16] <zoohouse> bobstro yea
[06:17] <zoohouse> 7.04
[06:17] <BartSimpson> bobstro: hmm that would be better if i didnt have sudo access, correct?
[06:17] <pmarchessault> Hi guys
[06:17] <bobstro> BartSimpson: well, you *know* it's set right that way!
[06:18] <StepNjump> I think I have corruption in one of my files and I have some problems with my Kubuntu. Should I reinstall? Is there a way to go back to a previous system state like in Windows? Thanks in advance.
[06:18] <sstchur> dcosson: I just bought it actually: it's an nVidia GeForce 7300 GT
[06:18] <bobstro> zoohouse: so no x at all now?
[06:19] <LastMall> StepNjump  what file ?
[06:19] <zoohouse> bobstro, well, all I have to do is replace "nvidia" with "nv" in the xorg config and Ill have x once agin
[06:19] <StepNjump> I'm not sure... Yesterday I fooled around with the transparencies and now I get an error message when I log on (and the wireless doesn't connect anymore either)
[06:20] <eljefe> StepNjump: what's the error message?
[06:20] <AdamKili> does anyone know the command to monitor keyboard input? i want to test a keyboard and see if it works properly
[06:20] <zoohouse> bobstro I think that I will leave it at that for now because it is 12:19am here in Miami. Ill take up the fight tomorrow. Night everyone
[06:20] <sbalneav> bobstro: I think it's going to depend on if he #!'s bash or /bin/sh.  If he does the latter, he'll get the dash shell, and unless I'm misreading (possible, been a long day :) ) that one should read /etc/profile.  However, you're absolutely correct: best way would be to put the PATH in the script.
[06:20] <StepNjump> Gee let me check
[06:21] <dcosson> sstchur:  that may not be your issue then.  do you get anything at all when you come back to this?  video artifacts on the screen, command line, etc?
[06:21] <StepNjump> Is it logged somewhere?
[06:21] <zoohouse> bobstro thanks for the help. :)
[06:22] <eljefe> not sure, sorry... log out and in again, and copy/paste it?
[06:22] <sstchur> dcosson: absolutely nothing.  In fact the monitor light flashes indicating that it is not receiving a signal, but the computer is clearly on.  I tried putting in a music CD, thinking it might "wake up" KDE.  Also tried unplugging and plugging back in a USB printer -- nothing
[06:22] <sbalneav> Night all
[06:22] <StepNjump> Sorry I don't have it right now LastMall & Eljefe
[06:22] <StepNjump> Let me sign off and figure it out. brb
[06:23] <sstchur> dcosson: And just to be 100% sure I wasn't crazy and that I DID leave my computer on while I was away for several hours, when I restarted and launch Firefox, it asked if I wanted to "restore my session" thus indicating it was shut down improperly
[06:23] <dcosson> hmm... weird.  well i am pretty sure my issue is video card related... google turned up http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=79295 which you may want to look at, although not sure it applies to you specifically
[06:23] <dcosson> well that's probably not video-related then
[06:24] <AdamKili> could anyone please tell me the command to monitor keyboard input?
[06:24] <navets> hey im having a major sound problem with my sound being tooo low
[06:24] <Lynoure> sstchur: I think there is a setting that makes it ask always, because some people open a lot of tabs but do not want to keep them next time
[06:24] <dcosson> i have noticed since upgrading to feisty my box has apparently rebooted at random overnight a couple times, but i have a weird power setup so it could have been an actual loss of power or something
[06:24] <flaccid> AdamKili: xev
[06:25] <Lynoure> ...but I rarely use FF anymore.
[06:25] <navets> when i got to kmixer i dont have a master volume control, and my sound is low because of it, does anyone know whats could be wrong?
[06:25] <pmarchessault> LastMall: It's XOrg
[06:25] <dcosson> Lynoure:  switched to konq or what?
[06:25] <Cosmo_> sstchur: mine is having the same issue since I upgraded to fiesty, the mouse moves but nothing I cliock on or any keys that I hit seem to do anything
[06:25] <Lynoure> dcosson: If one can call it switching as it simply was there from the start :)
[06:25] <AdamKili> thank you, flaccid
[06:26] <flaccid> np
[06:26] <dcosson> lolz.  i hate konq.
[06:26] <Cosmo_> but it only happens if left alone for long periods
[06:26] <eljefe> dcosson: nice shielding, i was looking for one... ;)
[06:26] <Lynoure> dcosson: hatred, huh, that's strong.
[06:26] <pmarchessault> LastMall: it says: Composite extension not found. You must use XOrg 6.8 or greater for translucency and shadows to work. Additionally, you need to add  a new section to your X config file : Section "extensions" Option "composite" Enable EndSection. Does that tell you anything?
[06:26] <sstchur> Lynoure: I think you're right, but I was actually just using Firefox's asking me if I want to restore my session as evidence that I shutdown my computer while it was running (I had a blank scren and couldn't get it to "wake up")
[06:27] <StepNjump> LastMall: it says: Composite extension not found. You must use XOrg 6.8 or greater for translucency and shadows to work. Additionally, you need to add  a new section to your X config file : Section "extensions" Option "composite" Enable EndSection. Does that tell you anything?
[06:27] <dcosson> I just have never been able to make myself like the interface
[06:27] <Lynoure> sstchur: ah.
[06:27] <dcosson> guess i'm too ingrained in firefox, i've been using since 0.7 i think
[06:27] <flaccid> please do not repeat
[06:27] <eljefe> StepNjump: did your transparency work before?
[06:27] <StepNjump> LastMall: It also says: The Composite Manager crashed twice within a minute  and is therefore disabled  for this session
[06:27] <StepNjump> Nope
[06:28] <StepNjump> I guess I should have never tried to turn them on
[06:28] <StepNjump> Eljefe
[06:28] <flaccid> yeah so like enable composite. end of problem.
[06:28] <flaccid> or turn it off
[06:28] <eljefe> StepNjump: ok, then you have to make sure that your xorg is version 6.8 or higher; look in Adept or Synaptic for its version
[06:28] <StepNjump> I just saw the preview on the kubuntu website and thought they looked nice
[06:28] <StepNjump> Ok
[06:28] <Cosmo_> yeah beryl and KDE trancperencys don't like eachother
[06:28] <eljefe> StepNjump:
[06:28] <LastMall> StepNjump sounds like an xorg config file error, but I wouldn't have any idea how to fix it.
[06:28] <eljefe> StepNjump:  your unning Kubuntu or Ububntu?
[06:29] <StepNjump> Kubuntu elJefe
[06:29] <flaccid> it wasnts composite. so enable it or disable the transluc
[06:29] <dcosson> anyone at all know offhand the path to where kde icon themes are saved?  i can't remember!
[06:29] <eljefe> StepNjump: ok open Adept Manager (Manage Packages) in KMenu -> System
[06:29] <benji> !ati
[06:29] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:29] <flaccid> dcosson: /usr/share/icons
[06:30] <eljefe> StepNjump: search for xserver-xorg
[06:30] <benji> !beryl
[06:30] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[06:30] <AdamKili> flaccid: sorry
[06:30] <dcosson> flaccid:  that's the ones that come preloaded, right?  i'm talking about for user-installed themes
[06:31] <flaccid> um /usr/share/themes
[06:31] <ses1959_> i have on the desktop a my main hard drive showing how do i get it not to show
[06:32] <sstchur> Is there any equivalent in KDE to the windows character map?
[06:32] <StepNjump> eljefe: xserver-xorg is 7.0.0-Oubuntu45
[06:32] <ses1959_> i do not know how it got to be on the desktop
[06:32] <flaccid> ses1959_: right click desktop -> configure -> behaviour -> device icons - disable the mount hd option
[06:32] <ses1959_> ok did that
[06:32] <eljefe> StepNjump: which kubuntu do you have running?
[06:32] <ses1959_> feisty
[06:33] <akrus> sstchur: there was something :)
[06:33] <StepNjump> 6.06.1 I believe but yesterday I did an update. Maybe 6.10?
[06:33] <flaccid> usually character map in utilities in kmenu
[06:33] <StepNjump> I'm not sure how to tell
[06:33] <eljefe> StepNjump: hmm ok.
[06:33] <flaccid> !find gucharmap
[06:33] <ubotu> Found: gucharmap, libgucharmap6, libgucharmap6-dev
[06:33] <flaccid> !info cucharmap
[06:33] <ubotu> Package cucharmap does not exist in feisty
[06:34] <flaccid> !info gucharmap
[06:34] <ubotu> gucharmap: Unicode character picker and font browser. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.10.0-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 1049 kB, installed size 3672 kB
[06:34] <dale> beryl is beautiful!  I've never seen a vista desktop but I have to believe that Beryl is better.  Can anyone compare them?
[06:34] <StepNjump> There's no way I could just do a system restore right?
[06:34] <eljefe> StepNjump: now paste this into the Run box that pops up after hitting [alt] [f2]  : 'kdesu kate' (don't paste the 'qoutes')
[06:34] <flaccid> StepNjump: there is no such thing as a system restore
[06:34] <flaccid> !find kmap
[06:34] <StepNjump> ok let me see
[06:34] <ubotu> File kmap found in axiom-hypertex-data, console-cyrillic, fastlink, groff-base, keyboards-rg (and 2 others)
[06:34] <eljefe> StepNjump: did you want translucency, or your old system back? ;)
[06:34] <StepNjump> Old system would be just fine
[06:34] <StepNjump> As long as it's stable
[06:35] <StepNjump> Ok I have the kate up
[06:35] <eljefe> flaccid: wouldn't that be nice?  whats taken so long for that tool??
[06:35] <akrus> Feisty is stable as well <3
[06:35] <flaccid> StepNjump: as i said before. disable the transluc. or enable composite in xorg.conf!!!
[06:35] <StepNjump> System restore would be nice for future versions flaccid lol
[06:35] <flaccid> eljefe: someone to make it i guess if its not available
[06:35] <eljefe> flaccid: does he know what 'enable composite' means?
[06:35] <flaccid> StepNjump: this is not windows. define system restore!!
[06:35] <StepNjump> I did disable the transluc already
[06:35] <eljefe> flaccid: lol true
[06:35] <flaccid> eljefe: i don't know. but if he doesn't he can ask
[06:36] <StepNjump> Something that would bring the drivers to a previous stable state
[06:36] <flaccid> StepNjump: so which option are you going to do. choose.
[06:36] <StepNjump> Something of the sort
[06:36] <StepNjump> The easiest
[06:36] <flaccid> StepNjump: thats already done. programs including text editors save a backup of the old xorg.conf in /etc/X11/
[06:36] <StepNjump> I don't really care. Though I would like to see the translucent windows, it's really not a big deal
[06:36] <eljefe> StepNjump: don't have it. what did you change to make it unstalbe?  just turned on the translucency button?  so either turn it off, or hit [alt] [f2] 
[06:37] <flaccid> StepNjump: did you even read the error you pasted?
[06:37] <johnt> !log
[06:37] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[06:37] <StepNjump> Yes I did flaccid
[06:37] <eljefe> flaccid: lets be kind
[06:37] <eljefe> StepNjump: hit [alt] [f2] 
[06:37] <StepNjump> But I'm new to Linux so I'm kind of dumb and green
[06:37] <StepNjump> Ok alt F2
[06:37] <eljefe> StepNjump: in that box, type 'kdesu kate'
[06:37] <flaccid> i am kind eljefe
[06:37] <StepNjump> I have kate up eljefe
[06:38] <flaccid> i am also frank
[06:38] <StepNjump> Is that a text editor like nano?
[06:38] <StepNjump> or pico?
[06:38] <eljefe> StepNjump: yes but easier... sorta
[06:38] <StepNjump> Ok
[06:38] <flaccid>  you need to add  a new section to your X config file : Section "extensions" Option "composite" Enable EndSection. Does that tell you anything?
[06:38] <eljefe> StepNjump: just more mouse-friendly
[06:38] <StepNjump> Did you want me to open a file?
[06:38] <ses1959_> what is the program kdeinit
[06:38] <flaccid> so open xorg.conf under kate or something under root and add it then restart X
[06:38] <StepNjump> Yeah but flaccid, though I understand what it means, I don't know how to do that!
[06:39] <flaccid> StepNjump: you only have to ask how to do that
[06:39] <eljefe> StepNjump: file > open, find the / and click on folders till you get to /etc/X11 and then find xorg.conf
[06:39] <sstchur> akrus: there's not any more?
[06:39] <flaccid> if you had of asked, we would of shown in you in the beginning
[06:39] <StepNjump> When you say config file for me, all it means to me is config.sys
[06:39] <ses1959_> the program crashed on reboot
[06:39] <akrus> sstchur: no idea :)
[06:39] <flaccid> StepNjump: then ask us how to "open config files"
[06:39] <flaccid> or something..
[06:39] <akrus> sstchur: I used it long time ago :)
[06:39] <StepNjump> Ok let me try eljefe thanks a lot
[06:39] <flaccid> if you don't ask (specfically) you won't get
[06:40] <sstchur> akrus: I'm trying to utilize the webdings font in Gimp, which I successfully installed, but I can't figure out how to get to most of the symbols...
[06:40] <eljefe> StepNjump: many files are config files; most of the whole OS is run be reading what various config files tell the system to do.  we're going to edit the (main) graphics one, xorg.conf (conf = config)
[06:40] <flaccid> sstchur: try gimp doc or ask in #gimp
[06:40] <akrus> :)
[06:41] <akrus> man gimp :P
[06:41] <johnt> Does anyone know if Beryl will work with a fps rate of 12-14 fps
[06:41] <flaccid> !beryl
[06:41] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[06:41] <flaccid> try asking in #ubuntu-effects
[06:41] <eljefe> StepNjump: once that is open you wil lsee various sections defining how it works.  be very careful not to mess/change ANYTHING here  (unless you're looking to learn and are willing to break and fix)
[06:41] <flaccid> i guess that is hardware dependent
[06:41] <StepNjump> You are great eljefe. I learn as I go... It's all good
[06:42] <flaccid> StepNjump: its also a good idea to make a backup of /etc/X11/xorg.conf first
[06:42] <StepNjump> Ok xorg.conf is up
[06:42] <StepNjump> Enough breakage lol
[06:42] <eljefe> StepNjump: YES save a new copy with today's date or something added to the end (NO SPACES in the name, and file endings don't matter in linux)
[06:42] <sstchur> flaccid: yea, I tried #gimp is dead.. though I'd check here, if there was an all-purpose character map solution in KDE
[06:42] <StepNjump> ok I'll back it up to xorg.conf.bak?
[06:42] <eljefe> StepNjump: sure thats cool
[06:43] <StepNjump> how do you do that cp xorg.conf xorg.conf.bak?
[06:43] <StepNjump> Ok let me figure it out with the kate open
[06:43] <flaccid> sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup.25042007
[06:43] <StepNjump> Ok, that was easy. Very MS office type of Save As
[06:43] <StepNjump> Ok done
[06:43] <eljefe> StepNjump: now read the various sections.  it doesn't mater if they make a lot of sense, but look at their structure.  now read your error message.  see any similarities?
[06:44] <eljefe> StepNjump: yeah i thought this prog might be a bit better than strange keyboard commands, esp for an important file such as this
[06:44] <flaccid> sstchur: its the font , not a character set...
[06:44] <StepNjump> Ok let me check eljefe. THanks Flaccid. Bash shell commands are cool
[06:44] <eljefe> StepNjump: very cool :)
[06:44] <flaccid> StepNjump: they are my friends :)
[06:45] <benji> i wish i had friends
[06:45] <StepNjump> lol flaccid
[06:45] <flaccid> benji: me too. if i did, i probably wouldn't be here haha
[06:45] <flaccid> i'll just settle for shell commands
[06:45] <StepNjump> I used to love DOS and the VMS commands
[06:45] <benji> do u live here?
[06:46] <StepNjump> On the Vax
[06:46] <StepNjump> DCL
[06:46] <flaccid> i feel like i do sometimes
[06:46] <StepNjump> That was nice
[06:46] <eljefe> flaccid: how do i make me do things?  you know, like in IRC, how do i get it to say *eljefe did something
[06:46] <flaccid> woa no DOS is wrong, period. hehe
[06:46] <Xavarri> My external USB hard drive and flash reader aren't automounting after upgrading to Feisty.. anyone help?
[06:46] <StepNjump> Ok eljefe, nothing was marked as error starting with #
[06:46] <flaccid> /me did this bla bla
[06:46] <Toyd> nalioth,
[06:46] <StepNjump> Section monitor
[06:46] <eljefe> me, or eljefe?
[06:46] <Toyd> nalioth, you here
[06:47] <flaccid> me
[06:47] <eljefe> StepNjump: # doesn't mean error, it means 'comment' (nothing on that line matters)
[06:47] <flaccid> the irc command is /me
[06:47] <StepNjump> I know
[06:47] <Cosmo_> I'm finally down to my last issue with kubuntu, I installed the drivers for my printer (brother 1840C) had to get them from the website because my printer was not listed, whenever I send something to the printer it says that it was successful but nothing ever prints, I am using feisty btw
[06:47] <StepNjump> It's like a // in C right?
[06:47] <StepNjump> So what should I be looking for?
[06:47] <flaccid> lol
[06:47] <eljefe> StepNjump: yes
[06:47] <flaccid> Cosmo_: #cups
[06:47] <StepNjump> Oh let's have a look at the error message
[06:47] <StepNjump> mmmm
[06:48] <eljefe> StepNjump: what does your error message say?
[06:48] <flaccid> StepNjump: the error message is self explanatory :)
[06:48] <dsmith> question for the experts, what is the best partitioning strategy?
[06:48] <flaccid> dsmith: parition to your requirements and consider capacity planning for future
[06:49] <eljefe> dsmith: hda1: / = 15  hda2: swap, 1GB  hda3 /home
[06:49] <dsmith> some something like /, home, etc, var???
[06:49] <purpleposeidon> too much
[06:49] <flaccid> oh
[06:49] <StepNjump>  it says: Composite extension not found. You must use XOrg 6.8 or greater for translucency and shadows to work. Additionally, you need to add  a new section to your X config file : Section "extensions" Option "composite" Enable EndSection. Does that tell you anything?
[06:49] <flaccid> you talking modular mounting for the fs
[06:49] <StepNjump> Let me find the section extensions
[06:49] <flaccid> : Section "extensions" Option "composite" Enable EndSection
[06:49] <eljefe> that way, your boot is near the beginning of the disk (important); your swap is in a smaller area (faster access); and your home gets the rest of the drive and you can later reinstall without losing your /home data
[06:50] <flaccid> ^^ extensions section may not exist, but you can add, and make sure they are on there own lines
[06:50] <eljefe> StepNjump: do you see any other sections?  do you see how they're layed out?
[06:50] <eljefe> StepNjump: you'
[06:50] <flaccid> its not always that simple
[06:50] <weswh-> could anyone here recommend a hardware RAID card for ATA100 drives?
[06:50] <dsmith> eljefe: thx, I need to do some more reading on the matter
[06:50] <dsmith> 3ware
[06:51] <eljefe> StepNjump: you'll have to probably ADD a new section, to the bottom, layed out like the others and containing the EXACT text of your error message
[06:51] <weswh-> (looking to do RAID 0). ok
[06:51] <dsmith> 7006
[06:51] <flaccid> weswh-: any will do. ask in ##networking or google
[06:51] <StepNjump> Yeah there's the section files
[06:51] <flaccid> sections files != extensiosn
[06:51] <eljefe> files?  or parts/sections?
[06:51] <eljefe> sections are labeled as: Section
[06:52] <StepNjump> module, input_device, Device, ServerLayout,
[06:52] <flaccid> StepNjump: add it
[06:52] <StepNjump> I see end section but how do I enable it
[06:52] <flaccid> wtf
[06:52] <eljefe> StepNjump: add a new Section, layed out like the other Sections, contining the exact text that the eroor message told you to add.
[06:53] <flaccid> its its own section add it at the bottom in its own whitespace.
[06:53] <StepNjump> Ok
[06:53] <StepNjump> Just before EndSection of course?
[06:53] <flaccid> no
[06:53] <eljefe> StepNjump: you are editing a text file.  like a term paper for school.  nothing to enable.
[06:53] <flaccid> EndSection closes a section. it must have its own
[06:53] <StepNjump> No but I mean, the last string is EndSection. Should I add the section just before that?
[06:53] <eljefe> StepNjump: so at the end, after one section has Ended, you are going to add a new section...
[06:53] <flaccid> don't put it before an EndSection. it needs to be on its own
[06:54] <flaccid> StepNjump: no by itself, after. it is its own section.
[06:54] <eljefe> StepNjump: put it at the END, after EVERYTHING
[06:54] <flaccid> its not a subsection
[06:54] <benji> hole 17 on medium course, kolf, so hard
[06:54] <flaccid> ctrl + end lol
 #ubuntu effects is not sure either but thanks anyhow
[06:54] <flaccid> johnt: no problem . beryl is still dev. try it out i guess
[06:55] <Toyd> is beryl preconfigured on kubuntu ff 7.04 final?
[06:55] <flaccid> Toyd: no
[06:55] <Toyd> why not?
[06:55] <Cosmo_> because it is still development
[06:55] <Toyd> it is on ubuntu
[06:56] <eljefe> StepNjump: do you see how each section has a title (like Section "InputDevice") and an EndSection?  you have to do the same.
[06:56] <Cosmo_> no compiz is in ubuntu
[06:56] <flaccid> several reasons. 1. beryl is not released its in dev 2. it shouldn't be a default , but optional - ubuntu won't be usable on older systems if it was default 3. most people don't need it or want it
[06:56] <Toyd> flaccid,  for most people its the only reason to try linux
[06:56] <StepNjump> Ok eljefe. Done
[06:56] <StepNjump> Thought it was more complex than it was
[06:57] <flaccid> Toyd: lol no it snot
[06:57] <StepNjump> BTW kate is real nice
[06:57] <StepNjump> It's done
[06:57] <flaccid> believe it or not, not everyone is looking for eye candy.
[06:57] <StepNjump> Should I re-enable the transparencies and reboot now?
[06:57] <eljefe> StepNjump: ok now save the file.  now log out.  then click the menu and select 'Restart the X Server'  Then, when thats done, log back in
[06:57] <flaccid> Toyd: if it is. point me to the evidence.
[06:57] <StepNjump> Ok
[06:57] <benji> what ppl buy vista for extra security? lol
[06:57] <eljefe> StepNjump: no need to reboot if you restart C
[06:57] <StepNjump> But I removed the transparencies in Settings
[06:57] <eljefe> StepNjump: no need to reboot if you restart X X X X X
[06:58] <flaccid> some people are looking for a more secure and stable operating system that is free and open bla bla
[06:58] <StepNjump> Should I put them back in the way they were flagged?
[06:58] <purpleposeidon> benji: There, you err in thinking that people buy vista
[06:58] <eljefe> StepNjump: which settings??
[06:58] <hagabaka> hmm
[06:58] <StepNjump> That's real nice in Linux. In windows it's always reboot, reboot
[06:58] <flaccid> Toyd: spinning a cube on your screen?
[06:58] <StepNjump> Well, when I enabled the transparencies yesterday it was in...
[06:58] <Toyd> touchscreen
[06:58] <hagabaka> the "kubuntu-desktop" package seems too "big"...it depends on ktorrent
[06:58] <weswh-> stupid hardware question here - but any ATA133 round cable will work with an ATA100 drive right?
[06:58] <eljefe> StepNjump: yes but its not always X which you need to restart to change things...
[06:58] <benji> purpleposeidon: what?
[06:59] <Toyd> flaccid, you are right 2d rendered on a 3d object is silly
[06:59] <flaccid> hagabaka: thats because its the meta package. kubuntu-minimal might be mor appropriate for you
[06:59] <hagabaka> i see
[06:59] <Toyd> in life you get most of the eyecandy that people try to copy to pc
[06:59] <StepNjump> system settings!panel!appearance tab! Panel background section: Enable transparencies.
[07:00] <flaccid> Toyd: i don't know what you are goin on about. but considering video issues on linux with lack of proper support and issues with licensing, stuff like beryl is far away form being native on *nix...
[07:00] <Toyd> i mean half life 2 is nice but its nothing compared to real hunting
[07:00] <StepNjump> Should I simply put it back the way I had it yesterday after the change that caused my system instability or just leave the features off for now?
[07:00] <eljefe> StepNjump: leave it off
[07:00] <StepNjump> Ok
[07:00] <Toyd> wii tennis is nice but its nothing compared to playing tennis yourself
[07:00] <fannagoganna> maybe we can hope MS decides to abandon Europe
[07:00] <StepNjump> I'll see you in a little while then
[07:00] <Toyd> computers are pointless
[07:00] <flaccid> StepNjump: like i said at the start. its your choice. off or on. doesn't matter which way
[07:00] <fannagoganna> Then we'll see massive adoption and development of Linux
[07:00] <eljefe> StepNjump: log out, restart X, and log in.  then try to turn them on, and come back to us.
[07:01] <StepNjump> OIC ok
[07:01] <StepNjump> Ok thanks a lot buddy. I really appreciate your help
[07:01] <StepNjump> Learned something new again today
[07:01] <StepNjump> Talk to you soon
[07:01] <benji> hmm bill gates will just say one day, im sick of this propgram, delete
[07:01] <flaccid> linux is not the only OS that should be supported. *BSD gets the jack end of the stick always
[07:01] <eljefe> StepNjump: no worries, BUT you gotta help someone who you can with Linux ;)
[07:01] <eljefe> flaccid: you're certainly right
[07:01] <StepNjump> I'm getting my sister in law on Linux too here in Missouri.
[07:02] <Toyd> flaccid, arent mac users bsd'ers?
[07:02] <StepNjump> Pass it forward...
[07:02] <StepNjump> Yes
[07:02] <StepNjump> I understand
[07:02] <Toyd> pass it forward nice movie
[07:02] <eljefe> Toyd: they'd never admit it ;)
[07:02] <flaccid> Toyd: no they are not. os x is derived from FreeBSD amongst other systems but they are not the same kernel or userland
[07:02] <StepNjump> You bet I'll be here a lot helping others when I understand more how things work as I learn. I've learned a lot already from this forum
[07:02] <StepNjump> You guys are all great
[07:02] <flaccid> yay
[07:02] <pyronapalm> hey, how do you save chat in konversation? forward slash savechat doesn't work for me?
[07:02] <Toyd> lol eljefe
[07:02] <Toyd> mac osx fails
[07:03] <Toyd> kubuntu looks nice than mac osx and is free
[07:03] <eljefe> pyronapalm: look in Settings > Configure Konversation to see if you have a logging happening
[07:03] <pagan0ne> could someone point me in the right direction to get help setting up the extra buttons on a logitech mouse in feisty fawn?
[07:03] <Toyd> flaccid,  whats the big difference running bsd kernel instead of linux one?
[07:04] <eljefe> pagan0ne: let me know if you find anything...
[07:04] <flaccid> os x is nice but yeah you have to buy the hardware so that really sux. you can do it illegally but yeah..
[07:04] <eljefe> Toyd: the development process and the installed capabilities due to that process
[07:04] <pagan0ne> eljefe: i think i almost got it, but i dont know how to get the button to do the desired function
[07:04] <flaccid> Toyd: they are different kernels. they are not compatible.
[07:04] <Toyd> flaccid, i dont know why people who arent into video editing would and should want a mac
[07:05] <dsmith> with kpackage manager, I can cut out certain programs?
[07:05] <flaccid> because its the bomb
[07:05] <eljefe> Toyd: i'm into it, thats why i use linux!
[07:05] <eljefe> Toyd: one of *many* resons really..
[07:05] <Toyd> into mac?
[07:05] <flaccid> Toyd: mac is a unix-like system derived from BSD and other systems. think of it like a linux but closed up a lot
[07:05] <Toyd> people who have mac osx should be forbidden to use linux
[07:05] <flaccid> yes mac is the bomb for desktop
[07:05] <Toyd> they support ripping off open source
[07:06] <flaccid> why, os x is unix-like operating system just like linux is
[07:06] <eljefe> dsmith: yes but there are some core ones that you should not, or it will fail.  you're better getting an 'alternate install CD' and doing the barest-bones install and the *adding* to it.
[07:06] <Toyd> proprietary
[07:06] <flaccid> Toyd: in some respects, but they don't steal it like m$ does. or create a 'new' technology which is a copy of a unix tech and make it their own
[07:07] <flaccid> Toyd: you don't even know what os x is based on
[07:07] <flaccid> its based on Darwin which is open and ree
[07:07] <flaccid> free
[07:07] <Toyd> mach kernel
[07:07] <flaccid> i don't use OS X
[07:07] <flaccid> but i know what it is and how good it is
[07:07] <Toyd> osx isnt free
[07:07] <Toyd> they make people pay for a mix of open and proprietary
[07:07] <flaccid> Toyd: go make your own os x http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/
[07:08] <dsmith> eljefe: I am just running every app on kubuntu and trying to understand each and everyone of them
[07:08] <flaccid> Toyd: that concept has been around since 1969
[07:08] <hitmanWilly> Toyd, so does redhat :)
[07:08] <benji> !ipod
[07:08] <ubotu> For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto See !rockbox for information on liberating your iPod
[07:08] <Toyd> red hat has a free version
[07:08] <eljefe> dsmith: hmm graphical ones?  cause once you get into the command line it could take you a while... :)
[07:08] <flaccid> Toyd: no they don't
[07:08] <flaccid> fedora is not owned by red hat
[07:08] <Toyd> yes they do i saw it on usenet
[07:08] <dsmith> eljefe: just all the gui apps
[07:08] <flaccid> fedora is not owned by red hat
[07:09] <flaccid> should i repeat again
[07:09] <flaccid> lol
[07:09] <Toyd> 244 copies of vista sold in china
[07:09] <dsmith> thats all?
[07:09] <dsmith> lol
[07:09] <Toyd> yeah
[07:09] <eljefe> Toyd: they're like the benefactors... and the takers-of-good-tech... but not the owners...
[07:09] <flaccid> yerp
[07:09] <flaccid> piracy is massive in asia
[07:09] <Toyd> new record :P
[07:09] <hagabaka> are you saying os x violated any license for the open source code it uses?
[07:09] <dsmith> oh! I should a IT vendor today my kubuntu
[07:09] <Toyd> yeah rampant even flaccid
[07:09] <dsmith> they are a platinum citrix provider and was impressed
[07:10] <eljefe> dsmith: what'd he say?
[07:10] <flaccid> hagabaka: it doesn't ,no
[07:10] <Toyd> flaccid,  i was thinking about buying a chinese hackintosh
[07:10] <dsmith> I gave him a kubuntu CD
[07:10] <Toyd> i saw a nice website
[07:10] <Toyd> :P
[07:10] <dsmith> should=showed
[07:10] <flaccid> considering mac are intel now, they are the shiz
[07:10] <Toyd> even comes in the mac case
[07:10] <weswh-> reality check: 1xATA133 120gig HD, 2xATA100 320gig HDs, 3ware IDE RAID Card, 256MB Geforce6600 (or something), 2 optical drives - is a 430 watt antec true power supply going to cut it on that? I would imagine so...
[07:10] <flaccid> cept the powerbook should be better
[07:10] <Toyd> 100 dollars ;p
[07:10] <dsmith> blew his mind when I ran beryl, heheh
[07:11] <dsmith> I opened 20 examples of IE and showed that it barely ran under load on the CPU
[07:11] <Toyd> impressed by a cube that spins :/
[07:11] <Toyd> dont show him a bouncing ball then
[07:11] <pagan0ne> eljefe: i got a link, have you tried adding "option" "buttons" "numberofbuttons" and "option" "ButtonMapping" "1 2 3 4 5 ..." ?
[07:11] <vbgunz> is there anyway to tell which programs come installed with Fesity by default and which have been customly installed?
[07:11] <dsmith> and flciked the mouser point to the upper right and 20 lil windows appearred
[07:11] <flaccid> fedora is only sponsored by redhat. see the footer on the fedora site...
[07:11] <dsmith> Toyd: lol
[07:12] <dwidmann> beryl + rain + ... windshield wipers? :O
[07:12] <dsmith> heh
[07:12] <Toyd> dsmith,  i know a guy that demo'd the first macintosh on national tv
[07:12] <dwidmann> sorry, I always found that bit funny ...
[07:12] <flaccid> brb
[07:12] <charwood> Hello everyone.  I'm having trouble with ldconfig.  My understanding was that if I created /etc/ld.so.conf.d/local.conf and in that file had the two lines "/usr/local/lib" and "/usr/local/lib/OGRE" that running ldconfig would add the libraries in those directories to my ld cache.
[07:12] <dwidmann> works well for impressing kids anyway
[07:12] <Toyd> xerox had a spinning cube back in the 70s
[07:12] <eljefe> dsmith: was it a crazy-fast machine?
[07:13] <eljefe> dsmith: what made the '20 little windows' ?  is that a berly thing?
[07:13] <dsmith> this it guy, his boss was the first person to ever do an citrix install back in 93
[07:13] <Toyd> kewl
[07:13] <charwood> However, i still get errors saying that the libraries in those paths don't exist when I run some programs.  And when I run ldconfig -v and grep for the libraries in those directories, they aren't there.
[07:13] <eljefe> dsmith: or kompose ?
[07:13] <dsmith> eljefe: I have a zd7000 3ghz 2GB ram
[07:13] <charwood> What have I done wrong with ldconfig to make it angry at me?
[07:13] <dsmith> I just double clikd on IE 20 times
[07:13] <Toyd> dsmith,  thats a fast machine esp for linux
[07:13] <dsmith> :)
[07:13] <pmarchessault> Ok I'm back
[07:14] <eljefe> charwood: /etc/ld.so.conf.d/local.conf doesn't sound right
[07:14] <dsmith> my video is lacking but oh well
[07:14] <dsmith> only 64mb
[07:14] <Toyd> dsmith,  you could run vista on that machine
[07:14] <dsmith> FU
[07:14] <dsmith> lol
[07:14] <Toyd> lol
[07:14] <StepNjump> Eljefe, the system froze so fortunately I could go in CTRL-ALT-F1 TTY1 and signed on there. Added some # to the beginning of each new lines and rebooted
[07:14] <dsmith> only in gates biggest wet dream
[07:14] <StepNjump> I think I found what the problem was.
[07:15] <charwood> eljefe: The /etc/ld.so.conf file simply says "include /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf".  When I add those lines to /etc/ld.so.conf and have them in my file I get an error when running ldconfig that says they are specified twice.  This strongly infers that it knows about them.
[07:15] <StepNjump> Forgot to put "enabled" in quotes
[07:15] <darryl> Anyone find a good search tool like Google Desktop for Kubuntu?
[07:15] <charwood> eljefe: But what do I know.  I'm the confused guy asking the question.  (-8
[07:15] <Toyd> maybe i should get a mac i have a love-hate affair with it
[07:15] <weswh-> darryl: one called beagle, it isn't great
[07:15] <Toyd> will it turn me gay when i use a mac
[07:15] <weswh-> search sucks in linux by my estimation
[07:15] <Toyd> thats my main concern
[07:16] <eljefe> StepNjump: well done on finding the error :)  get it going?  I enabled myne and its killing my CPU... but I don't have my NVidia driver installed, so...
[07:16] <weswh-> i'm not sure why that is exactly...beagle probably has potential
[07:16] <charwood> I love locate but I spend most of my time in the CLi.
[07:16] <darryl> weswh-: yea I would like something half decent
[07:16] <Toyd> hi darryl
[07:16] <Toyd> darryl,  my pal
[07:16] <flaccid> yes macs make people happy thats a fact
[07:16] <steve__> hey guys I'm having problems with time... it runs too fast. Even when I reset it, the time literally just goes by too fast, like a minute goes by in thirty seconds. anyone got a fix?
[07:16] <StepNjump> Yeah, well I'm on a laptop so I guess I'll leave them off
[07:16] <StepNjump> for now
[07:16] <Toyd> :P
[07:16] <darryl> hit Toyd
[07:16] <StepNjump> It's hot enough as it is.
[07:16] <Toyd> thats what i meant flaccid
[07:16] <darryl> errr HI
[07:16] <Toyd> :P
[07:16] <weswh-> steve:i've had that problem as well. no clue
[07:16] <StepNjump> Section "extensions"
[07:16] <StepNjump> Option "composite" "Enable"
[07:16] <StepNjump> EndSection
[07:16] <weswh-> on edgey
[07:17] <StepNjump> Ok restarting X server
[07:17] <StepNjump> CU soon
[07:17] <eljefe> k
[07:17] <flaccid> heh took long enough..
[07:17] <steve__> dang
[07:17] <charwood> Does anyone know the format of /etc/ld.so.conf?
[07:18] <eljefe> weswh : ever hear of Recoll? http://software.newsforge.com/software/07/04/16/1832253.shtml?tid=130&tid=79
[07:18] <Toyd> flaccid,  i will get a mac when they make multi-touch machines
[07:18] <flaccid> multi-touch?
[07:19] <Toyd> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zp-y3ZNaCqs
[07:19] <Toyd> apple has it patented
[07:19] <eljefe> Toyd: i think its in the kama sutra also
[07:20] <Toyd> lol
[07:20] <Toyd> haha
[07:20] <flaccid> i go for practicality and stability over bullshit
[07:20] <flaccid> but thats just me
[07:20] <Toyd> flaccid it is practicle
[07:21] <eljefe> flaccid: bullshit is all the rage these days
[07:21] <flaccid> its been the rage for a while now
[07:21] <Cosmo_> I'm finally down to my last issue with kubuntu, I installed the drivers for my printer (brother 1840C) had to get them from the website because my printer was not listed, whenever I send something to the printer it says that it was successful but nothing ever prints, I am using feisty btw
[07:21] <Toyd> flaccid it is extremely usefull
[07:21] <flaccid> anything is practical to people these days
[07:21] <Toyd> flaccid i am a dj
[07:21] <Toyd> so for me it would be usefull
[07:22] <flaccid> i know its useful, but considering its prop. and not extensible to everyone , its a big bogus
[07:22] <flaccid> i am also on freebsd. flash only supports ALSA, so i cannot hear the video...
[07:22] <flaccid> Toyd: yes useful. but locked in.
[07:22] <flaccid> its better to have a standard for which open people can use its API ec.
[07:22] <flaccid> etc.
[07:23] <Toyd> yeah ok
[07:23] <eljefe> Cosmo_: have you googled for 'ubuntu 7.04 brother 1840c' at all?
[07:23] <flaccid> patents are f0000ked
[07:23] <dsmith> COsmo: I checking..
[07:23] <Toyd> this isnt partical either but still amusing to watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx9FgLr9oTk&mode=related&search=
[07:24] <flaccid> Toyd: if there is a standard on multi-touch then im happy, otherwise i'm pissed off...
[07:24] <Cosmo_> eljefe: yes, but never found anything other than the installation instructions on the brother website, and followed those
[07:24] <Toyd> lol flaccid
[07:24] <eljefe> Cosmo_: dunno maan...
[07:24] <dsmith> fax printer?
[07:24] <Cosmo_> yes
[07:24] <eljefe> ooh
[07:24] <dsmith> http://solutions.brother.com/linux/sol/printer/linux/pcfax_drivers_lpr.html
[07:25] <eljefe> gotta love the all-in-one's eh? ;)
[07:25] <dsmith> they have a debian for that model
[07:25] <eljefe> Cosmo_: try the debian, who knows
[07:25] <stepnjump> eljefe. I'm back
[07:25] <stepnjump> unfortunately, I get the same errors
[07:25] <eljefe> stepnjump: how we doig?
[07:26] <dsmith> Cosmo: you should eb able to open your system settings and add your printer
[07:26] <stepnjump> other than Xserver-xorg, should I check my version of XORG too?
[07:26] <stepnjump> The dialog says : XOrg
[07:26] <eljefe> stepnjump: same thing
[07:26] <stepnjump> mmm
[07:26] <eljefe> stepnjump: do you have the correct capitol letters etc?  EXACTLY?
[07:27] <stepnjump> ver 6.8 or more
[07:27] <stepnjump> Yep
[07:27] <eljefe> stepnjump: well mate... not real sure. :(
[07:28] <stepnjump> Ok dude well thanks for your help. My wife is asking me to take care of my daughter. She won't sleep.
[07:28] <stepnjump> Oh boy, it's going to be a long night.
[07:28] <stepnjump> I'll talk to you later.
[07:28] <stepnjump> Thanks a lot
[07:28] <eljefe> stepnjump: no prob!
[07:29] <Toyd> nite
[07:29] <flaccid> stepnjump: you must of did it wrong. pastebin xorg.conf and we do it for ya!!
[07:29] <dsmith> anyone successful with upgrading from edgy to festy?
[07:29] <flaccid> lots
[07:30] <dsmith> before I try I am making a backup image
[07:30] <dsmith> just incase
[07:30] <charwood> Is it possible that ldconfig ignores all files that don't begin with "lib"?
[07:31] <charwood> When I pipe "ldconfig -v" to a file and examine it, it acknowledges the custom directories that I specified but it claims they are emtpy.  Nevertheless, the directories have 5 .so files and 5.la files.
[07:32] <charwood> The permissions seem correct on the ".so"s, the only thing I can figure is that they don't start with "lib".
[07:32] <charwood> But it seems very un-Linuxy to base anything on the name of the file.
[07:34] <stepnjump> Ok I'm back
[07:34] <stepnjump> What is pastebin flaccid?
[07:34] <charwood> P.S. "un-Linuxy" is a word.  Really.
[07:34] <flaccid> !pastebin
[07:34] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[07:35] <stepnjump> You want me to paste the whole xorg.conf flaccid on here?
[07:35] <flaccid> charwood: according to what?
[07:35] <flaccid> stepnjump: yep
[07:35] <stepnjump> ok
[07:36] <charwood> flaccid: About un-Linuxy?  Says me.  (-8  No less an authority than some guy in Lincoln, Nebraska USA.
[07:36] <flaccid> you?
[07:36] <dwidmann> :o whatever happened to the okle package in feisty?
[07:36] <stepnjump> # /etc/X11/xorg.conf (xorg X Window System server configuration file)
[07:36] <stepnjump> #
[07:36] <stepnjump> # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using
[07:36] <stepnjump> # values from the debconf database.
[07:36] <stepnjump> #
[07:36] <flaccid> ffs
[07:37] <stepnjump> Thank you
[07:37] <flaccid> did you read what pastebin is
[07:37] <flaccid> or just ignore it
[07:37] <stepnjump> for bringing me back in
[07:37] <Toyd> I feel sad for MS and Apple inc fighting to each other when i see that the free world of Linux beat them without being noticed and more important without saying it.
[07:37] <stepnjump> I'm so green
[07:37] <stepnjump> I guess I wasn't supposed to paste it here?
[07:37] <flaccid> !pastebin
[07:37] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[07:37] <charwood> stepnjump:  Oops.  See http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[07:37] <flaccid> read its not hard
[07:38] <flaccid> linuxy is not in the dictionary so its not a word. it might be a name, but not a dict word.
[07:38] <stepnjump> Oops guys sorry for pasting this here
[07:38] <sproingie> ARGH.  sound.  no workie.  no matter which sound system i choose.
[07:38] <stepnjump> I must be geting old
[07:38] <charwood> flaccid: Ok.  You got me there.  I totally made it up.  Now, do you know anything about ldconfig?  (-8
[07:38] <flaccid> charwood: since you speak shit, i aint helping you..
[07:38] <sproingie> any ideas on how to make sound work?  i have a realtek ac97
[07:39] <hitmanWilly> sproingie, are your mixer settings unmuted?
[07:39] <stepnjump> Ok I paste-binned it
[07:39] <charwood> flaccid:  I'm not too worried about that.
[07:40] <flaccid> im glad
[07:40] <charwood> And as a note to anyone that cares, ldconfig only cares about files that begin with "lib".  And I declare that to be un-linuxy.
[07:40] <flaccid> thats not true either charwood
[07:40] <flaccid> man ldconfig
[07:41] <sproingie> hitmanWilly: no, but i noticed the mixer is showing the wrong sound device (nvidia ck8s).  my mobo apparently has two sound devices
[07:41] <charwood> flaccid: I'm not sure what part of ldconfig's man page you're talking about. I've read it several times.
[07:41] <hitmanWilly> sproingie, you should be able to change it from there iirc
[07:41] <flaccid> charwood: you don't understand it then
[07:42] <charwood> flaccid: Hence why I am on this forum looking for help and finding only sarcastic answers.
[07:42] <flaccid> if you speak shit, don't expect help
[07:42] <charwood> s/on this forum/in this channel
[07:42] <flaccid> well at least not from me
[07:42] <stepnjump> flaccid: here is the URL;http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17546/
[07:43] <Ashex> So, I've got a tiny problem
[07:43] <sproingie> hitmanWilly: i don't see any way to change it.
[07:43] <Ashex> I installed Sabayon recently, and I had it use it's own partition for booting
[07:43] <flaccid> stepnjump: now pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[07:43] <sproingie> hitmanWilly: not from kmix anyway
[07:43] <Ashex> I figured that adding the entries for ubuntu into it's menu.lst would work
[07:43] <Ashex> however, that isn't the case
[07:43] <stepnjump> flaccid: k
[07:43] <Ashex> So, I now need to get ubuntu booting again, and I'm not entirely sure how to go about this process
[07:43] <charwood> flaccid: I've always enjoyed the friendliness and helpfulness of this channel.  When I said "Un-linuxy" was a word, I assumed that people would be able to realize the ridiculousness of that statement and figure out I was joking.  It seemed pretty harmless to me.  I'm sorry it upset you.
[07:44] <Ashex> Is there a way to add a grub entry to just have it launch the second boot partition?
[07:44] <Ashex> So have grub launch the second grub?
[07:44] <hitmanWilly> sproingie, i know there's a way to change it somewhere, i just don't remember how off the top of my head
[07:44] <flaccid> charwood: don't make assumptions. there is no tone on irc.
[07:44] <charwood> flaccid: Wow.  You just won't give an inch.
[07:44] <flaccid> charwood: why would i?
[07:45] <sproingie> hm, toggling the mute does make the speaker pop now
[07:45] <flaccid> i spend my valuable time here helping. i don't have time to read irrelevant untrue statements off-topic
[07:45] <charwood> flaccid: The socially acceptable response to my (I think rather gracious apology) would have been, "No problem, now how can I help you?"
[07:46] <stepnjump> flaccid: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17550/
[07:46] <JackPhil> after upgrade to feisty, beginning of  every echo line in konsole has a "|"
[07:46] <sproingie> maybe the realtek and the nvidia sound are the same.  it's one of those asus frankenboard thingies
[07:46] <flaccid> charwood: if this was a non-free service, then yes maybe that would of been the better reponse.
[07:46] <JackPhil> what's wrong
[07:46] <sproingie> the "test sound" button still does nothing though
[07:46] <lovloss> i sure wiwsh i could install feisty fawn. i bet it would be fun. Actually put in the cd, have it boot up to that desktop, click install... yknow, the way its supposed to be. as opposed to having the screen flick off that is.
[07:47] <hitmanWilly> sproingie, i use an asus a832n which works well enough :)
[07:47] <flaccid> (WW) Ignoring unrecognized extension "composite"
[07:48] <sproingie> hm, 'play' seems to work.  just the 'test sound' button isn't functioning it seems
[07:48] <hitmanWilly> sproingie, thats sounds like an arts issue
[07:48] <flaccid> stepnjump: i dont know maybe you need compiz. i don't use this option. ask in #xorg and #ubuntu-effects sorry
[07:48] <stepnjump> flaccid: What is compiz?
[07:49] <Ashex> hmm
[07:50] <sproingie> i'd try a movie, don't have any handy...  no idea how to troubleshoot arts, really
[07:50] <stepnjump> Ok thanks for your help flaccid
[07:50] <hitmanWilly> sproingie, me neither, use blackbox mainly
[07:51] <sproingie> i'll use any sound system that actually works
[07:52] <hitmanWilly> sproingie, blackbox as in the WM, arts is kde's sound system :)
[07:53] <fulat2k_> anyone's ktorrent crashing intermittently?
[07:53] <hitmanWilly> sproingie, do any of the other apps play sound?
[07:54] <hitmanWilly> sproingie, ie amarok?
[07:54] <charwood> lovloss: Have you tried booting from the Feisty desktop CD with the "Safe Graphics Mode" option?
[07:59] <sproingie> aha, i had a stale asound.conf file sitting around
[07:59] <sproingie> alsa must have broken configurations yet again.  surprise surprise.
[08:01] <sproingie> deleted it and sound's working fine now
[08:16] <ardchoille> Is there an app I can install to get TV listings for my area so I can see what's on tonight?
[08:16] <vbgunz> ubuntu has a one click enable compiz dialog? does kubuntu have one?
[08:17] <flaccid> vbgunz: not that i know of
[08:17] <vbgunz> flaccid: I don't think so :/
[08:17] <flaccid> you are free to build it for us vbgunz
[08:18] <vbgunz> flaccid: I leave that honer to you sir ;)
[08:18] <flaccid> im too busy helping here
[08:18] <Lamington> Hello !
[08:18] <vbgunz> heh, I am busy too, just not here :)
[08:19] <vbgunz> hi
[08:19] <Lamington> This is my first look at feisty
[08:19] <Lamington> As well as Konversation 1.01
[08:20] <Lamington> Well I guess I shall go install this thing and finally upgrade from 6.06
[08:20] <Lamington> caio
[08:21] <stevio> hey guys, anybody got advice or a good guide on creating separate home partition and installing feisty from there?
[08:21] <flaccid> from there?
[08:22] <flaccid> you can't
[08:22] <stevio> I mean
[08:22] <flaccid> you need to boot from cd or dvd
[08:22] <flaccid> !partition
[08:22] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[08:22] <flaccid> just create a new part and symlink it to /home
[08:22] <flaccid> sorry mount it to home not symlink
[08:22] <stevio> oooops sorry. I mean, just a guide to create separate home partition, basically.
[08:22] <flaccid> but that option is ok as well
[08:22] <flaccid> i don't know of one
[08:23] <flaccid> its just another partition, so just use qtparted and make a part and fs of the desired type then put in fstab for /home mountpoint
[08:23] <Martijn> Anybody else have sda devices for the old ATA drives in feisty? I have and my performance is very bad, hdparm will not work on sda devices.
[08:24] <stevio> will check it out, thaks flac.
[08:24] <flaccid> np
[08:29] <Martijn> Nobody here with sda experience?
[08:41] <Ashex> okay, I need some help getting Kubuntu booting again
[08:42] <Ashex> I installed sabayon and it ran fine. However it screwed up the grub partitioning
[08:42] <Ashex> so, even though I tried to install grub to the kubuntu boot partition, it still loads the sabayon boot partition
[08:42] <Ashex> !grub > me
[08:44] <pgquiles> after I installed wpasupplicant, wired and wireless networking are disabled when I boot and I have to manually run /etc/init.d/networking restart. Any tip? (KUbuntu Edgy)
[08:44] <stepnjump> Guys, how can I tell what version of kubuntu I'm using please? Is there a bash shell command?
[08:44] <ardchoille> lsb_release -a
[08:45] <ardchoille> stepnjump: ^^
[08:45] <stepnjump> gracias ardchoille
[08:45] <ardchoille> De nada
[08:47] <stepnjump> pgquiles, I also lost my wireless connection earlier yesterday. I don't know why.
[08:47] <stepnjump> It's now showing up but not working anymore
[08:47] <stepnjump> So you are not alone
[08:47] <stepnjump> :(
[08:48] <pgquiles> stepnjump: I lost wired and wireless but only when I boot. I am able to start it manually and works fine. WPA supplicant is somewhat involved.
[08:48] <ubuntu_> Hi guys!
[08:49] <ubuntu_> Ihave a question
[08:49] <stepnjump> I guess it could have been worse... THat's always good
[08:49] <ubuntu_> about feisty fawn
[08:49] <ubuntu_> can anybody help me?
[08:50] <tom_> Im running FEISTY GNOME but I prefer KAFFEINE to TOTEM. Since it has much better subtitle support. It takes guite some time for the first time launch of KAFFEINE per session since it has to load all of the KDE-CORE libs. Is it possible to recompile the KDE-CORE libs and somehow compile them just for Kaffeine so they would start faster and put them into /opt/KDE? Afterwards I would just need to recompile kaffeine and choose the --prefix=/opt/KDE?
[08:50] <stepnjump> .
[08:51] <Serega> Why konqueror does not connect to any host while all other application have good access to inernet
[08:51] <Serega> ?
[08:51] <stepnjump> ubuntu_ sorry I can't help you. I'm at 6.06 myself
[08:51] <Serega> Feisty Fawn
[08:51] <Serega> Live bot
[08:51] <Serega> *boot
[08:52] <pgquiles> tom_: you may want to try prelink
[08:52] <pgquiles> tom_: look at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1971 and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=74197
[08:53] <nonuda> !mp4
[08:53] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:53] <pgquiles> !prelink
[08:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about prelink - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:54] <Breit> oO
[08:54] <tom_> PGQUILES: but prelinking in Feisty is not necessary any more. It does it automaticly
[08:55] <pgquiles> tom_: then you may try compiling Kaffeine statically, but I wouldn't do that
[08:55] <stepnjump> Here's another one guys: I just downloaded Firefox, how do I install this? It's a tar.gz
[08:56] <pgquiles> stepnjump: tar xvfz firefox.tar.gz, cd firefox, ./firefox.sh (or something like that)
[08:56] <charwood> stepnjump: Is there a reason you downloaded it instead of installing it with apt-get?
[08:56] <flaccid> stepnjump: instructions are on firefox' site which you should always read before installing. however firefox is available in the repos.
[08:57] <tom_> PGQUILES: what would I gain by compiling it staticly
[08:57] <flaccid> probably nothign
[08:57] <charwood> stepnjump: If you just want to install firefox, use the program "adept" in KDE Menu->System.  Or type in a konsole window "sudo apt-get install firefox"
[08:57] <pgquiles> tom_: some speed (little if you are already using prelinking), but the drawback is Kaffeine would be huge
[08:58] <ubuntu__> !grub > me
[08:58] <Ashex> !grub > me
[08:58] <tom_> PGQUILES could U explain it to me what exactly does STATIC do? I always wondered about this.
[08:59] <Serega> Installed Firefox works fine
[08:59] <flaccid> brb
[09:00] <charwood> Serega: Good deal.  Could you give me an instance of a page that doesn't load using Konqueror?
[09:00] <Serega> charwood: almost all. E.g. http://www.google.com
[09:01] <Serega> I hope it is some dumb default option of LiveCD
[09:01] <charwood> Serega: And it says "host not found" or something to that effect?
[09:01] <Serega> in koqui
[09:01] <Serega> charwood: "Could not connect to host http://www.google.com/"
[09:02] <charwood> Serega:  Weird.  Sorry.  I've got nothing.
[09:02] <Serega> charwood: thanks for attempt to help me :)
[09:03] <Serega> ...and I like firefox anyway)
[09:04] <charwood> tom_: Executable files can be either dynamically linked or statically linked.  Dynamic;  When a program needs to use a library, it asks the operating system to open that library and then uses those files.  In this way libraries are shared.  Static: Instead of using the shared libraries, all of them are linked into one big program.
[09:04] <charwood> Serega: Agreed.  Although I've got to give Konqie some props under 7.04.  It really does work pretty well.
[09:04] <nick_> #ubuntu-it-chat
[09:05] <di> tom_: did you receive my explanation about prelinking? (it looks like I was disconnected and don't know if my text arrived)
[09:05] <Serega> TROUBLE!!! Installer says me that Kiev(Ukraine) is GMT+3 but it is GMT+2
[09:05] <charwood> Serega; Perhaps a seismic shift moved Kiev and you didn't notice?
[09:05] <Serega> please add this notification
[09:05] <tom_> DI- no I did not receive. And anyhow isn't prelinking on by default now in Feisty
[09:06] <Serega> =))))))))
[09:06] <di> tom_: most programs use external libraries which provide functionality. For instance, Gnome uses Gtk+, Glib, Pango, etc. A shared object (roughly what windows users call "dynamic library") is a library which is available for all programs which need it. You save on disk space and memory, because most of the memory the library uses is shared between all the running programs which need it. Statically linking the library means the exact
[09:06] <di> opposite: you add all* the functions from the library to your executable, rendering it bigger (* actually "all the functions you need", not the whole library)
[09:06] <di> tom_: when an executable uses dynamic libraries, the system needs to look where the entry points (the "symbols") are. That consumes time. Statically linked executables do not need to look for symbols as that has been done when compiling the executable.
[09:06] <di> tom_: prelinking performs a pre-lookup for those symbols. That's why you need to re-prelink whenever you install a new version of an executable which was pre-linked or a new version of the library the executable was prelinked to.
[09:06] <di> tom_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prelink
[09:06] <charwood> I'm off to bed.  Cheers all.
[09:07] <cornelinux> Hi there, does anybody got some experience with knetworkmanager and WLAN / WPA+EAP TLS?
[09:08] <flaccid> Serega: you konq problem is network related not konqueror
[09:09] <ep|k> hi all..
[09:10] <Serega> flaccid: please note that adept and firefox work pretty good
[09:10] <ep|k> know how to solv this -->
[09:10] <ep|k> checking for C compiler default output file name...
[09:10] <ep|k> configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[09:10] <Serega> adn Konversation :)
[09:10] <flaccid> Serega: who said they didn't?
[09:10] <flaccid> ep|k: do you have build-essential installed ?
[09:11] <Serega> flaccid: but if it is network-related problem why another application successfully use my network?
[09:11] <flaccid> i don't know, thats what you have to find out, Serega
[09:11] <ep|k> flaccid:how to do that?
[09:12] <Serega> flaccid: I realized that $)
[09:12] <Serega> :)
[09:12] <flaccid> ep|k: install the package build-essential
[09:12] <kraut> moin
[09:12] <ep|k> flaccid:using apt?
[09:12] <flaccid> Serega: dns resolution is fine? ie. using the host command? and there is no proxy or anythign set in konqueror or kcontrol?
[09:13] <flaccid> ep|k: apt or adept or whatever yes
[09:14] <zerothis> is there a way to switch to a app that's hidden or off the screen? i used kdocker and lost an app, but is still running
[09:14] <ep|k> flaccid:tell me more detail..i'm newbie
[09:14] <flaccid> zerothis: if its not on any of your desktops, use ksysguard and kill it. or kill it in konsole with kill
[09:15] <flaccid> ep|k: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[09:16] <zerothis> yes, i'd rather not kill it. I can kill kicker which prompts kdocker to reveal the apps then run kicker again. but then the icons end up all over my desktop instead of in my tray
[09:16] <flaccid> ok
[09:16] <flaccid>  thats basically the situation for drone gui apps
[09:17] <tom_> DI - tnx for the explanation. So is Prelink on by default in feisty or I would need to set it up manually?
[09:18] <weiminji> eee
[09:20] <weiminji> kde?
[09:20] <pgquiles_> tom_: prelink is not active by default in Feisty, it's not even installed in the default installation
[09:21] <tom_> this is what says on forums: UPDATE 1/2/07: Prelink is no longer necessary in Feisty. Feisty uses a new linking mechanism called DT_GNU_HASH which dramatically speeds up the linking process without the need for continuously running this prelink program. Again, prelink is NOT useful starting from Feisty
[09:21] <tom_>  *** http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=74197
[09:21] <cornelinux> Is anybody using the knetworkmanager?
[09:22] <tmske> cornelinux: yes
[09:23] <Ashex> I have a slight problem
[09:23] <cornelinux> tmske: Thought so. Do you know anything about saving the settings for the configured wlans? Got WPA Enterprise and need to enter all certificates each time.
[09:23] <Ashex> when i boot up, I just get the grub console
[09:23] <jussi01> hi, what is the kde alternative to system monitor in gnome?
[09:24] <JohnFlux> jussi01: press ctrl+esc
[09:24] <jussi01> JohnFlux: thanks
[09:24] <cornelinux> jussi01: I think it is ksysguard
[09:24] <tom_> PGQUILES: so is now prelinking needed in feisty or not? Since the above posted forum says differently
[09:25] <JohnFlux> jussi01: what are you using it for?
[09:25] <Jucato> Ctrl+Esc = process table part of ksysguard.
[09:25] <jussi01> JohnFlux: I just needed to kill a process
[09:25] <pgquiles_> tom_: you never need prelinking, it's just a speed booster
[09:25] <tmske> cornelinux: check if they are saved in ~/.kde/share/config/knetworkmanagerrc
[09:25] <jussi01> its all fixed now. thanks
[09:25] <JohnFlux> jussi01: an X process?
[09:25] <pgquiles_> tom_: and it's not installed in KUbuntu Feisty by default, therefore I guess it's not installed in Ubuntu Feisty either
[09:25] <jussi01> JohnFlux: yeah
[09:25] <Guest6259669> so my "adapt notifier" insists on not being on my status bar, but rather in a window of its own... how can i fix this?
[09:26] <pgquiles_> tom_: you can find it in a moment: dpkg --get-selections | grep prelink
[09:26] <JohnFlux> jussi01: you can also press ctrl+alt+esc   and then click on the window you want to kill
[09:26] <cornelinux> tmske: Indeed the settings are saved there, but when I want to connect, I am asked for all settings again
[09:26] <jussi01> JohnFlux: thanks - thats nice and easy also...
[09:26] <tom_> that I know. but this thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=74197 said it already is using DT_GNU_HASH which dramatically speeds up the linking process without the need for continuously running this prelink program
[09:27] <Ashex> !grub > me
[09:27] <weiminji> How to come into characters interface a kde
[09:27] <JohnFlux> weiminji: alt+f2   kcharselect
[09:28] <tmske> cornelinux: does it show as Trusted=true?
[09:28] <tmske> and KeyStored=true?
[09:29] <cornelinux> tmske: yes, both
[09:30] <jussi01> I have another quick question: whats the equivalent to libpam-keyring? Like i hate typing in my password at every boot for the wallet...
[09:30] <JohnFlux> weiminji
[09:30] <JohnFlux> !chinese
[09:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about chinese - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:31] <jussi01> !zh
[09:31] <ubotu> For Ubuntu help in Chinese  #ubuntu-cn  #ubuntu-tw   #ubuntu-hk
[09:31] <Toyd> !african
[09:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about african - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:31] <JohnFlux> weiminji: ^^
[09:31] <Ashex> is anyone in here knowledgeable about grub?
[09:31] <Toyd> !nelson mandela
[09:31] <Ashex> I swear, grub is like the black plague
[09:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nelson mandela - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:31] <Ashex> nobody wants to touch that topic
[09:31] <Toyd> wth
[09:32] <Toyd> nelson mandela is a  promoter for ubuntu ubotu  how dare you not know him
[09:32] <jussi01> !botabuse | Toyd
[09:32] <ubotu> Toyd: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[09:32] <tmske> cornelinux: so you use kwalletmanager to save the password
[09:32] <weiminji>  <JohnFlux>:not kcharselect
[09:32] <BaudThief> ugh, I just pooched my ubuntu install by following one of those "hack your ubuntu install to make it faster" tutorials. I made a complete backup beforehand using partimage (~40gb), but for some reason, the restoration failed due to a "corrupt image file"
[09:32] <Toyd> !respectabuse | ubotu
[09:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about respectabuse - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:32] <JohnFlux> weiminji: For Ubuntu help in Chinese  #ubuntu-cn  #ubuntu-tw   #ubuntu-hk
[09:33] <Jucato> Toyd: please stop that
[09:33] <cornelinux> tmske: My faviroute way would be, that knetworkmanager remembers all the settings and all files and I just have to enter the passphrase for the private key. This is, what I would expect.
[09:33] <cornelinux> :(
[09:33] <JohnFlux> Ashex: have you tried running  grub-install    again?
[09:33] <Ashex> JohnFlux: yep
[09:33] <Toyd> i'll write to Nelson Mandela and tell about this
[09:33] <Toyd> NCAAP will be informed also
[09:33] <Ashex> JohnFlux:   sudo grub-install --root-directory=/boot /dev/sda
[09:33] <Ashex> that command?
[09:33] <Toyd> you can become the next Imus Jucato
[09:33] <Ashex> I have /boot as  a seperate partition
[09:34] <Jucato> Toyd: Nelson Mandela is a promoter of the ubuntu concept, not of the Ubuntu OS
[09:34] <Toyd> dont play semantics with me
[09:34] <Toyd> i went to lawschool
[09:34] <JohnFlux> Ashex: and when you boot up, it doesn't give you grub, right?
[09:34] <jussi01> !offtopic | Toyd
[09:34] <ubotu> Toyd: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[09:34] <Toyd> sorry
[09:35] <Toyd> my botscript isnt perfect yet
[09:35] <Ashex> JohnFlux: it sticks me directly into grub console
[09:35] <Jucato> Toyd: then you should know how to follow rules. so please stop flooding the channel with bot searches
[09:35] <Ashex> so, grub is installed, but it's not loading the menu.lst file
[09:35] <Toyd> ok Jucato
[09:35] <Toyd> :(
[09:35] <Ashex> I was able to boot the kernel by typing the entries manually
[09:35] <Toyd> Jucato,  my pal :P
[09:35] <Ashex> but it stopped after loading the kernel, since i didn't specify any flags
[09:35] <tmske> cornelinux: maybe you can ask in #kde because I don't know how to solve your problem
[09:36] <JohnFlux> Ashex: which partition is /boot on?
[09:36] <JohnFlux> Ashex: is that partition in /boot/grub/devices
[09:36] <Ashex> JohnFlux: sdb1
[09:36] <Ashex> JohnFlux: you mean device.map?
[09:36] <JohnFlux> Ashex: yeah sorry
[09:36] <Ashex> device.map contains: (hd0) /dev/sda (hd1) /dev/sdb
[09:37] <Ashex> so, it is in there
[09:38] <Ashex> JohnFlux: any ideas?
[09:39] <Ashex> hmm, I'm going to reboot real quick. I tried something a little different with grub-install
[09:39] <BaudThief> I know this channel is a bit biased towards KDE, i've basically bought a nvidia card and migrated from WinXP to Ubuntu + Beryl (gnome). I've gotta reinstall now due to a fuckup I dont know how to recover from, is it "better" for me to start over with KDE isntead of Gnome?
[09:40] <JohnFlux> BaudThief: you could always install both
[09:40] <JohnFlux> BaudThief: and try both
[09:41] <BaudThief> JohnFlux: Is there much difference in the "feel" of it? I'm not really savvy enough to try installing both, all I know is I have a Kubuntu install disc (which presumably defaults to KDE) and an "Ubuntu" install disc that does gnome
[09:42] <insmod> with the upgrade to 7.04 snd_hda_intel no longer works nor does gtk-gnutella -- if i apt-get it or build it
[09:43] <ep|k> know how to solv this --> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X libraries. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[09:43] <JohnFlux> BaudThief: well, I'm a kde developer so I prefer kde :-D   past that I can't really say sorry..  everyone has their own opinion heh
[09:43] <JohnFlux> BaudThief: if you have an internet connection, it's no big deal to install both
[09:44] <Ashex> JohnFlux, still there?
[09:44] <Ashex> I get the grub menu now, with the kubuntu options
[09:44] <JohnFlux> BaudThief: so install either one :-)
[09:44] <JohnFlux> Ashex: any luck?
[09:44] <Ashex> but now it just loads the kernel, it isn't loading the system :/
[09:45] <BaudThief> JohnFlux: Heh thanks, i'll try the kubuntu disc out - if things get too spooky under KDE I guess i'll just add gnome to it somehow
[09:45] <Ashex> so, I've made at least some progress now
[09:45] <JohnFlux> Ashex: hmm, sounds like your boot=  option is wrong
[09:45] <Ashex> But i still don't have a functional system :/
[09:45] <Ashex> hmm
[09:45] <JohnFlux> BaudThief: it's pretty easy to install gnome :-)
[09:45] <Ashex> would that be in the entry itself or located in the menu.lst?
[09:46] <JohnFlux> BaudThief: from within kde
[09:46] <JohnFlux> Ashex: in menu.lst
[09:46] <JohnFlux> Ashex: you can do it from within grub at boot time, but it won't be permanent
[09:46] <Ashex> ah
[09:46] <JohnFlux> Ashex: make sure your  root  option is correct
[09:47] <Ashex> the root option looks correct
[09:47] <Ashex> unless...
[09:47] <Ashex> nah, that wasn't it
[09:47] <Ashex> the root option is right
[09:47] <Ashex> or did you mean in the kernel string?
[09:48] <Dimanish> wow, so many people
[09:48] <BaudThief> JohnFlux: awesome :) gonna give it a shot then. Are there any imaging/backup programs that you'd recommend? I'm not too happy with partimage - is there something like norton's Ghost, which only copies 'used blocks' instead of rawdumping the whole drive?
[09:48] <Dimanish> hi ://
[09:48] <cac> >..<
[09:49] <Ashex> Dimanish, closest thing I've found is g4l
[09:49] <cntb> !fd
[09:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:49] <cntb> !flopyy
[09:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flopyy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:49] <cntb> !floppy
[09:49] <ubotu> To mount floppy disks, see here : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MakeFloppyDriveAvailableToEveryone
[09:49] <JohnFlux> BaudThief: both    root(hd0,0)   and root=hda1   for example
[09:49] <JohnFlux> Ashex: ^^
[09:49] <flaccid> !info dd
[09:49] <ubotu> Package dd does not exist in feisty
[09:49] <Ashex> ah
[09:49] <flaccid> !dd
[09:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:49] <flaccid> ah well
[09:50] <cntb> mindcrusher[ro] : ci face
[09:50] <Ashex> Wel
[09:50] <Ashex> Ubuntu stopped using /dev/foo and started using uuid back in edgy
[09:50] <crube> Is it possible to hide toolbar from the other desktop when I'm switching between 2 desktops?
[09:50] <Ashex> so, I'll have to boot the live disc to make sure it's correct
[09:51] <crube> I want the toolbar to show on desktop1 but not on desktop 2
[09:51] <JohnFlux> Ashex: you can try using /dev/foo  anyway :-)
[09:51] <Ashex> Heh, yeah
[09:51] <Ashex> that's what I'm going to do
[09:51] <Dimanish> i joined this room to learn english ://
[09:51] <Dimanish> continue talking please :///
[09:51] <Ashex> I never liked the uuid system anyways :)
[09:52] <JohnFlux> Ashex: well I think the correct way is that you edit the boot  etc comments at the top of the file
[09:52] <JohnFlux> Ashex: then you run grub-update, and that will do the UUID stuff
[09:52] <Ashex> this is what I get for playing with sabayon the week before LinuxFest
[09:52] <Ashex> ah
[09:52] <Ashex> well, I would use grub-update
[09:52] <Ashex> but i'm not sure it will work properly on the live disc
[09:53] <flaccid> i will if you give it a param
[09:53] <HM_cet> Hello everybody
[09:53] <Ashex> flaccid, how so?
[09:53] <BaudThief> Hi Dr Nick!
[09:56] <flaccid> give it a param of the hard disk in question
[09:56] <HM_cet> which channel to find some help with feisty ?
[09:56] <Admiral_Chicago> BaudThief: please watch your language
[09:56] <Admiral_Chicago> HM_cet: right here
[09:56] <Jucato> HM_cet: here
[09:56] <Admiral_Chicago> hey there Jucato!! :) long time no see
[09:56] <ep|k> all done chief
[09:56] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: yeah. quite a while :)
[09:56] <flaccid> hmm maybe not
[09:56] <Ashex> hmm
[09:56] <Ashex> time to try again
[09:56] <flaccid> maybe thats just install
[09:56] <Ashex> I modified the root to point to /dev/sdb3
[09:56] <Guest6259669> beryl+invidia+hibernate = ugly mess
[09:56] <flaccid> dunno its on the forums or wiki or somewhere
[09:56] <Ashex> which is the root partition
[09:57] <HM_cet> allo ???
[09:57] <HM_cet> well
[09:57] <Riddell> HM_cet: here
[09:57] <crube> Jucato: Hi! You usually know the answer to my every question. So, is there a way to have my toolbar hidden when changing to second desktop. I want my toolbar to show on desktop1 but not on desktop2.
[09:57] <BaudThief> Is there any hope (or is it even possible) for vmware to support hardware 3d acceleration at a later date?
[09:57] <flaccid> BaudThief: this isn't #vmware
[09:57] <Jucato> crube: I think there's no way to do that currently.
[09:57] <Ashex> the menu bar is static across desktops
[09:57] <Admiral_Chicago> note that I know of either
[09:58] <Jucato> you mean toolbar as the KDE Panel (kicker) right?
[09:58] <flaccid> ah by toolbar you mean main panel (kicker)
[09:58] <crube> Jucato: Alright. Then I'll just have to keep hiding the toolbar. Thanks anyway :)
[09:58] <flaccid> ah call it kicker
[09:58] <Ashex> Ooooo
[09:58] <Ashex> I hear the HD spinning
[09:58] <HM_cet> hello all
[09:59] <HM_cet> I need help to fix a bug with feisty
[09:59] <Ashex> aw damnit
[09:59] <Admiral_Chicago> whats the bug?
[10:02] <Ashex> startup freaks out because i used /dev/foo instead of uuid tags
[10:02] <flaccid> ouch
[10:02] <flaccid> !uuid
[10:02] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[10:02] <flaccid> hmm at least there is a wiki for it
[10:02] <root___> !floppy
[10:02] <ubotu> To mount floppy disks, see here : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MakeFloppyDriveAvailableToEveryone
[10:02] <flaccid> i prefer bios logical names myself but i guess uuid makes sense.... if there is actually something to abstract it from the user, which there is not atm
[10:02] <Ashex> !uuid > me
[10:02] <Ashex> I'm able to boot, so I'm hella happy right now
[10:02] <flaccid> sweet
[10:02] <Ashex> I've been working on this for close to 4 hours now
[10:02] <Ashex> I hate grub errors :/
[10:02] <Ashex> I installed sabayon on another partition, which started all of this
[10:03] <insmod> gtk-gnutella does not go on 7.04 any ideas
[10:03] <Guest6259669> well, i have discovered I have to choose between hibernate or beryl on my laptop. they are currently mutually exclusive.
[10:03] <Ashex> normally I'd have waited until the weekend, but I'm supposed to be showcasing Feisty with beryl at LinuxFest this saturday
[10:03] <flaccid> yeah there needs to be a frontend to manage grub/boot sector and so forth. at the moment its all manual/fix for users who don't know what to do
[10:03] <insmod> i did apt-get and a rebuild from source -- no go
[10:03] <flaccid> insmod: whats the problem
[10:05] <Ashex> yeah, it's kinda tedious at times
[10:05] <Guest6259669> insmod is is in apt, so i disagree
[10:05] <HM_cet> I /bin/bash: can't access tty; job control turned off
[10:05] <HM_cet> It appears after going sleeping for the 4 or 5 time
[10:05] <HM_cet> my usb mouse don't work anymore
[10:05] <HM_cet> can't gain access to kde
[10:05] <HM_cet> nor to a standard login screen
[10:05] <MartYanu> hello
[10:05] <MartYanu> when I insert the CD in the drive, should any install wizard pup-up?
[10:05] <insmod> unable to retrieve: no alternate locations known
[10:05] <insmod> Illegal instruction (core dumped)
[10:05] <MartYanu> I mean the Kubuntuu 7.04 CD
[10:05] <insmod> Guest62't work5966: doesn
[10:05] <flaccid> insmod: what is outputting that
[10:05] <insmod> Guest62't work5966: doesn't work
[10:07] <insmod> flaccid: in term
[10:07] <se7en_> MartYanu: you would like to install feisty?
[10:07] <HM_cet> I got a BusyBox msg
[10:07] <HM_cet> Any hope for help ?
[10:07] <HM_cet> ....
[10:07] <HM_cet> I think i need a guru with this
[10:07] <HM_cet> I tried many things always backing up stuff
[10:07] <HM_cet> but no way
[10:07] <HM_cet> ok see you guys !
[10:07] <flaccid> insmod: it just appears in term by itself?
[10:07] <Ashex> Ah Ha!
[10:07] <Ashex> That's why it flipped out
[10:07] <Ashex> for some reason, the uuid's changed
[10:07] <flaccid> Ashex: serious? so that means that UUID doesn't actually work?
[10:07] <insmod> flaccid: no the icon crashes dissapears so i type it in konsole to see output
[10:07] <Ashex> flaccid, apparently
[10:07] <Ashex> it didn't mount the /boot partition because it couldn't figure out the uuid
[10:07] <flaccid> insmod: what do you type to get it?????????????
[10:07] <HM_cet> thx for responding so quickly
[10:07] <Ashex> after I mounted it manually, I ran update-grub
[10:07] <flaccid> HM_cet: cya
[10:07] <Ashex> and it gave back an error about not resolving a uuid
[10:08] <insmod> flaccid: gtk-gnutella -- the same as any other distro
[10:08] <flaccid> insmod: thanks took a long time to get that out of you. and it fails to run within in kde ie. run program, not a terminal emulator
[10:08] <flaccid> ?
[10:08] <insmod> flaccid: ya
[10:09] <flaccid> insmod: search for it as a bug on launchpad, otherwise create a new bug
[10:09] <flaccid> !info gtk-gnutella
[10:09] <ubotu> gtk-gnutella: shares files in a peer to peer network. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.96.3-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 2205 kB, installed size 7548 kB
[10:09] <flaccid> and that is with the above package ?
[10:09] <insmod> flaccid: i even rm the .gtk-gnutella dir
[10:10] <Ashex> Hookay
[10:10] <Ashex> I'm going to call it a night
[10:10] <flaccid> if you remove it then it won't run
[10:10] <flaccid> because its not there
[10:10] <Ashex> I have to get up for work in like 6 hours :/
[10:10] <insmod> flaccid: that is the config dir
[10:10] <insmod> flaccid: stay with me
[10:10] <insmod> lol
[10:10] <flaccid> insmod: you never said config dir
[10:10] <flaccid> i've never used gtk-gnutella so i don't know the file listing...
[10:10] <flaccid> submit a bug
[10:10] <flaccid> !bugs
[10:10] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[10:11] <cj_> hello
[10:11] <cj_> to all
[10:13] <Admiral_Chicago> hey there cj_
[10:14] <insmod> flaccid: i reaks even when i build my own
[10:14] <flaccid> insmod: so?
[10:14] <flaccid> put that in the bug report
[10:14] <cj_> hi Admiral_Chicago
[10:14] <insmod> flaccid: just saying it can't work with the current build
[10:14] <flaccid> yep thats why you submit a bug :)
[10:14] <Admiral_Chicago> netsplit
[10:20] <Menda> hi
[10:21] <ahmed_> thanks flaccid and JohnFlux
[10:21] <ahmed_> I'm out
[10:21] <flaccid> cya
[10:21] <Sh4rk0> hello
[10:24] <Sh4rk0> Is what somebody can say to me if one can record the video one with
[10:24] <Sh4rk0> gxine?
[10:24] <flaccid> i dont understand, Sh4rk0
[10:24] <Sh4rk0> I would like to record the video one...
[10:25] <Sh4rk0> is what I can with gxine ?
[10:25] <flaccid> don't know sorry
[10:25] <flaccid> !capture
[10:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about capture - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:25] <flaccid> what source is the video?
[10:25] <Sh4rk0> yes capture
[10:25] <Sh4rk0> sorry for my english
[10:25] <Sh4rk0> wait please
[10:26] <Sh4rk0> http://www.nt1.tv/nt1adsl/nt1_adsl.asp
[10:26] <Sh4rk0> Tv for adsl
[10:26] <flaccid> what is that?
[10:26] <flaccid> oh you wanna rip
[10:27] <Sh4rk0> documentaire
[10:28] <flaccid> you need to hack their webpage basically
[10:30] <flaccid> i doubt there is going to be anythign out there for that particular site..
[10:30] <aldin> hi, ./configure-d domino but make gives me error anyone tried domino style on feisty fawn?
[10:30] <flaccid> heh that page crashes konqueror on my system, freezes opera and crashes firefox.
[10:30] <flaccid> aldin: what is the error message
[10:30] <aldin> flaccid: i will paste it just sec
[10:30] <flaccid> pastebin pls
[10:33] <aldin> error is this http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/17556/
[10:36] <flaccid> aldin: looks like your a missing at least one source header. see contact domino
[10:36] <flaccid> !find domino
[10:36] <aldin> flaccid: i have installed kdelibs4-dev qt3-dev-tools what else... but configure goes well
[10:36] <ubotu> File domino found in fetchmail
[10:36] <Jucato> domino is not in the repos
[10:36] <flaccid> aldin: yeah
[10:36] <Jucato> (the widget style)
[10:36] <flaccid> i was querying ubotu but ok
[10:36] <aldin> i think it compiled well on edgy AFAIK
[10:37] <SlyWeapon> hey, got a problem... upgraded to feisty and now samba is unaccessable from other computers, it was working in edgy no problem, here is the smb.conf I have been using since dapper... http://pastebin.sk/en/1419/
[10:37] <flaccid> SlyWeapon: what does the log say
[10:39] <flaccid> SlyWeapon: i would start by at least adding workgroup and security directives to smb.conf as well as server string
[10:39] <SlyWeapon> flaccid: that is already there
[10:39] <se7en_> anybody has the same probem and a answer to GEFORCE FX 5200 / UBUNTU 7.04 / BLANK SCREEN AT BOOT
[10:39] <flaccid> SlyWeapon: no its not
[10:41] <SlyWeapon> flaccid: well it was, but controlcenter/kcontrol keeps removing them
[10:41] <flaccid> i've had that too
[10:41] <flaccid> once of the reasons i hate kubuntu
[10:41] <flaccid> what version of ubuntu?
[10:42] <SlyWeapon> but replacing them manually doesn't work either way
[10:42] <flaccid> [2007-04-25 18:37]  <flaccid> SlyWeapon: what does the log say
[10:42] <wolferine> se7en_, ask in #ubuntu-effects
[10:43] <se7en_> thanks wolferine
[10:43] <SlyWeapon> flaccid: ...trying to remember where they are...tired
[10:43] <flaccid> /var/log/samba
[10:44] <flaccid> output of testparm would also be of use
[10:44] <snowstorm> how do I install a wallpaper system wide, ie in /usr/share/wallpapers ?
[10:44] <SlyWeapon> flaccid: says nothing,,,just states that samba has started from when I restarted it
[10:44] <flaccid> snowstorm: just put it there
[10:44] <flaccid> SlyWeapon: which log was that
[10:44] <SlyWeapon> both
[10:45] <flaccid> SlyWeapon: you have syslog only = yes so it will be in syslog instead
[10:47] <SlyWeapon> nmbd and smbd read the same
[10:47] <flaccid> like i said you have it as syslog only
[10:48] <flaccid> output of smbclient -NL //localhost would also be handy
[10:48] <eveline> :) byez
[10:48] <snowstorm> flaccid, thanks, but what are those .desktop files that I see there?
[10:48] <flaccid> snowstorm: iirc they are similar to windows shortcuts
[10:48] <SlyWeapon> flaccid: here http://pastebin.sk/en/1420/
[10:48] <ryks> hi all
[10:50] <ryks> have a problem
[10:50] <ryks> new in linux ...just few days ago
[10:50] <ryks> sao
[10:50] <ryks> so
[10:50] <ryks>  i have kubuntu
[10:50] <flaccid> SlyWeapon: what file is that?
[10:50] <SlyWeapon> smbd
[10:50] <flaccid> [2007-04-25 18:46]  <flaccid> like i said you have it as syslog only
[10:50] <flaccid> [2007-04-25 18:46]  <flaccid> output of smbclient -NL //localhost would also be handy
[10:50] <SlyWeapon> changed that
[10:50] <SlyWeapon> and thats all it put out
[10:50] <flaccid> [2007-04-25 18:44]  <flaccid> output of testparm would also be of use
[10:50] <flaccid> !ask
[10:50] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[10:51] <ryks> i need to instal xine
[10:51] <snowstorm> flaccid, any idea why they are there? is it for displaying in the system settings?
[10:51] <ryks> bat how?
[10:53] <ryks> but how?
[10:53] <ryks> because i new in linux and...........
[10:53] <ryks> and a player to leasen mp3
[10:53] <ryks> don t now what verzio
[10:53] <flaccid> snowstorm: its normal iirc. you could ask and confirm this in #kde
[10:53] <ryks> sorry this fuk n keybord in german caracter
[10:53] <SlyWeapon> flaccid: heres smbclient output: http://pastebin.sk/en/1421/
[10:53] <flaccid> SlyWeapon: are the windows clients machines on workgroup WORKGROUP as well?
[10:54] <pioter> cze
[10:54] <flaccid> ryks: what do you need?
[10:54] <SlyWeapon> flaccid: yes...the only thing that has changed is that I upgraded to feisty
[10:54] <ryks> hi
[10:54] <pioter> jest kros z polski
[10:54] <ryks> fineelly
[10:54] <snowstorm> flaccid, ok thanks
[10:54] <ryks> flacid
[10:54] <aldin> ryks for keyboard Alt+F2 -> setxkbmab us/de/it etc
[10:54] <ryks> have kubuntu
[10:54] <flaccid> SlyWeapon: what the hostname of this computer
[10:54] <ryks> but without xine
[10:55] <ryks> and a player for mp3
[10:55] <aldin> ryks u have kaffeine in kubuntu
[10:55] <ryks> yes
[10:55] <aldin> ryks: and amarok
[10:55] <SlyWeapon> flaccid: kubuntu/samba = hellztitan1
[10:55] <ryks> but doesn t work in video
[10:55] <ryks> yes
[10:55] <ryks> the same
[10:55] <ryks> missing codecs?
[10:55] <aldin> ryks: sudo 'apt-get install libxine-extracodecs'
[10:56] <ryks> so just a question i have!plz
[10:56] <flaccid> !codecs > ryks
[10:56] <aldin> ryks: say
[10:56] <pioter> pOLAND?
[10:56] <ryks> how can i install a software in linux?
[10:56] <aldin> ryks go to
[10:56] <aldin> kmenu-system-adept
[10:56] <ryks> in kubuntu?
[10:59] <flaccid> SlyWeapon: and does smbclient -N //localhost/shared work?
[10:59] <snowstorm> anyone know a nice pinball game on linux such as the one on windows?
[10:59] <aldin> yes
[10:59] <SlyWeapon> connection failed
[10:59] <aldin> ryks: yes
[10:59] <flaccid> SlyWeapon: does the computer come up in network neighbourhood?
[10:59] <flaccid> on the windows clients
[10:59] <flaccid> in WORKGROUP
[10:59] <SlyWeapon> flaccid: yep
[10:59] <pioter> hel plz server pl????
[10:59] <flaccid> i thought you said it was inaccessible
[10:59] <flaccid> !ask > pioter
[10:59] <flaccid> SlyWeapon: you problem is the configuration of the individual shares
[10:59] <ryks> aha
[10:59] <ryks> the suse or eny platform it s the same with kubuntu >?
[10:59] <ryks> too dificoult ...............
[10:59] <ryks> aldin?
[10:59] <ryks> this server is too slow......here ......
[11:00] <flaccid> basically check your logs after trying to access the share from windows. then you will see if the windows client is loggin on incorrectly. eg wrong username. but your shares don't look right for access anyway
[11:00] <flaccid> no suse and kubuntu are not the same.
[11:00] <MartYanu> hi, how can I configure PPPOE on Kubuntuu?
[11:00] <flaccid> !ppp
[11:00] <MartYanu> I have WAN Miniport connection
[11:00] <flaccid> !ppoeconf
[11:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ppp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ppoeconf - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:00] <flaccid> !info pppoeconf
[11:00] <ubotu> pppoeconf: configures PPPoE/ADSL connections. In component main, is standard. Version 1.12ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 20 kB, installed size 312 kB
[11:00] <flaccid> !modme
[11:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about modme - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:00] <flaccid> !modem
[11:00] <ubotu> You want to connect via dial-up? Read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto
[11:00] <SlyWeapon> flaccid: there has never been a problem with the shares before
[11:02] <flaccid> SlyWeapon: and your point is ?
[11:02] <aldin> ryks: i am here say
[11:02] <flaccid> SlyWeapon: if you don't believe me, go to #samba
[11:02] <SlyWeapon> flaccid: nothing has changed in respect to samba, thus it should still work
[11:02] <flaccid> SlyWeapon: ok if you say so.....
[11:02] <MartYanu> flaccid, I have a Q, I'm on the windows now, and Kubuntu is installed on this pc too, how can I listen a mp3 from D:\ or how can I get into C:\, etc
[11:02] <flaccid> !samba > MartYanu
[11:02] <flaccid> !samba
[11:02] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[11:02] <flaccid> maybe that will help you as well SlyWeapon if you dont wanna listen to me
[11:04] <ryks> so let s talk in private way
[11:04] <SlyWeapon> flaccid: I have tried it with no security features...completely open shares...same problem
[11:04] <flaccid> SlyWeapon: you just dont listen do you
[11:04] <MartYanu> flaccid, the problem is, as I said, I don't have connection on the kubuntu :o)
[11:04] <MartYanu> so, I can't sudo apt-get install samba
[11:04] <aldin> ryks: ping
[11:04] <flaccid> MartYanu: you are a hacker?
[11:04] <MartYanu> NO, lol
[11:04] <flaccid> then why do you not have access to the machine?
[11:04] <MartYanu> LOL, the distro is installed on my machine (this)
[11:04] <SlyWeapon> flaccid: you haven't said anything of use, the conf was setup following instructions from samba
[11:05] <ryks> hi aldin
[11:05] <flaccid> SlyWeapon: im configured a few thousand samba servers. who knows more?
[11:05] <ryks> doesn t work
[11:05] <MartYanu> you did not understood me, I cannot connect to the net on kubuntu, because I don't have the pppoe configured, doh!
[11:05] <aldin> ryks: tell whats bother u
[11:05] <flaccid> [2007-04-25 19:00]  <flaccid> basically check your logs after trying to access the share from windows. then you will see if the windows client is loggin on incorrectly. eg wrong username. but your shares don't look right for access anyway <--- if windows is denied it will show the answer in the log ffs!
[11:06] <ryks> so i have kubunu on my computer
[11:06] <flaccid> MartYanu: what does sharing with samba have to do with ppp ?
[11:06] <ryks> but i need to see some movies
[11:06] <ryks> missing xine and other stuff
[11:06] <MartYanu> oh my god
[11:06] <Trubadurix> can i download kubuntu so when i install it there is no gnome applications?  u know if i install kde on ubuntu there is gnome still applications
[11:06] <MartYanu> flaccid, how can I get the sambe if I don't have net on it?
[11:07] <aldin> ryks: ok, Kmenu->system->adept-manager
[11:07] <flaccid> MartYanu: install it from the cd with apt-cdrom
[11:07] <aldin> ryks: tell me when ur done
[11:07] <ryks> aha
[11:07] <ryks> momment
[11:07] <skyion> hey everyone ;)
[11:07] <ryks> i am in manager
[11:07] <MartYanu> oh let's start with the pppoe
[11:07] <ryks> administrator adept
[11:08] <aldin> ryks: ok, in search type xine-ui
[11:10] <MartYanu> how can I get the package?
[11:10] <Trubadurix> is kubuntu 7.04 relesed?
[11:10] <ryks> nada
[11:10] <ryks> nothing so far
[11:10] <ryks> aldin?
[11:10] <aldin> Trubadurix: yes!
[11:10] <flaccid> !apt-cdrom
[11:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apt-cdrom - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:10] <aldin> flaccid: lol, it doesnt know hehe,
[11:10] <Trubadurix> aldin: but it is still beta? its heurd 5   will there come heurd 6? or is it final relese?
[11:10] <aldin> Trubadurix: kubuntu.com
[11:10] <aldin> Trubadurix: fINAL
[11:10] <flaccid> !info apt-cdrom
[11:10] <ubotu> Package apt-cdrom does not exist in feisty
[11:10] <flaccid> i think it comes with apt
[11:10] <aldin> sudo apt-cdrom add -> put ur cd in press enter
[11:10] <MartYanu> are you talking to me?
 pppoeconf: configures PPPoE/ADSL connections. In component main, is standard. Version 1.12ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 20 kB, installed size 312 kB <- how can I get that package?
[11:10] <flaccid> MartYanu: sudo apt-cdrom add
[11:10] <ryks> im give up
[11:10] <aldin> ryks: ok, so u dont have repositories set... inmain menu of adept go to adept->managerepositories
[11:10] <Admiral_Chicago> MartYanu: its already installed afaik
[11:10] <flaccid> ryks: sweet
[11:11] <Admiral_Chicago> it is standard
[11:11] <aldin> ryks: !!!!! NO
[11:11] <Trubadurix> aldin: thanx
[11:11] <flaccid> MartYanu: then comment out the online sources then run sudo apt-get update, then you should be able to install it
[11:11] <ryks> k
[11:11] <cornelinux> tmske: sorry, I went for breakfast. Do you got an idea, why I need to enter all credentials with knetworkmanager
[11:11] <MartYanu> I'm frozed
[11:11] <Admiral_Chicago> flaccid: no. afaik, pppoecong works out of the box
[11:11] <MartYanu> I'm new to linux, it's the first time I use it heh
[11:12] <flaccid> my bad
[11:12] <flaccid> i misread
[11:12] <flaccid> its optional on most other distros
[11:12] <flaccid> MartYanu: sudo pppoeconf
[11:12] <aldin> ryks: ?
[11:12] <Admiral_Chicago> MartYanu: open up konsole, type sudo pppoeconf
[11:13] <flaccid> !modem
[11:13] <ubotu> You want to connect via dial-up? Read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto
[11:13] <Admiral_Chicago> fsck...OO.o keeps crashing on me
[11:13] <ryks> what managerrepositories?
[11:13] <flaccid> !adsl
[11:13] <ubotu> Setting up an ADSL/PPPoE connection? Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ADSLPPPoE
[11:13] <flaccid> you can follow either of those guides too
[11:13] <ryks> missing that
[11:13] <MartYanu> I tried ./pppoeconf, and it doesn't find any pppoe accessor installed
[11:13] <flaccid> MartYanu: thats not the command we advised
[11:13] <ryks> administrator adept?
[11:17] <aldin> ryks: are u in adept window
[11:17] <ryks> so aldin i think kubuntu is a little diferit from other platforms
[11:17] <ryks> right?
[11:17] <ryks> here dont have a managerepositories
[11:17] <ryks> aldin?
[11:17] <tmske> cornelinux: I have no further ideas, maybe you can ask your question on #kde
[11:17] <MartYanu> I tried sudo pppoeconf too, because I had to be root, and I was on my username
[11:17] <MartYanu> it found my card, ech0
[11:17] <aldin> ryks: KMENU-system-adept manager
[11:17] <aldin> are u in that?
[11:17] <MartYanu> and after that, it f$cked up
[11:17] <MartYanu> well, I need to restart and boot on kubuntu now? or..?
[11:17] <flaccid> did you actually read the guides?
[11:17] <cornelinux> tmske: OK. But thanks for the hints in the config file
[11:17] <MartYanu> yes, I am, now
[11:17] <flaccid> good.
[11:17] <flaccid> we would like to think that people read what ubotu pastes
[11:17] <flaccid> :)
[11:17] <MartYanu> I read on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ADSLPPPoE now :P
[11:17] <nino> need help!!
[11:17] <nino> my keyboard don't work
[11:17] <nino> numlock is switched on
[11:17] <nino> heeeelp!
[11:17] <tmske> cornelinux: np
[11:17] <MartYanu> I'd like to save that page and see it from the kubuntu, but I don't find /home/ and etc :P LOL
[11:17] <flaccid> nino: pressing the numlock key should turn it off
[11:17] <aldin> ryks: are u there?
[11:18] <ryks> aldin?
[11:18] <aldin> ryks: i am here
[11:18] <ryks> k
[11:18] <aldin> ryks: oh man will u follow me?
[11:18] <aldin> ryks: look
[11:18] <ryks> a i am in administrator adept
[11:18] <ryks> k?
[11:19] <MartYanu> I have to boot the kubuntu, bbiab
[11:19] <aldin> ryks: after u are in adept manager u need to set up repositories ok?
[11:19] <ryks> k
[11:19] <aldin> ryks: to set up them u have GUI way
[11:19] <ryks> new repository?
[11:19] <aldin> ryks: in adeps menu click on Adept-> manage repositories
[11:19] <ryks> k
[11:21] <nino> all keys is not work on keyboard!
[11:21] <nino> but when i'm login key is working
[11:21] <aldin> ryks: ok?
[11:21] <ryks> i am
[11:21] <ryks> in
[11:21] <ryks> and..........
[11:23] <ryks> k
[11:23] <ryks> ok
[11:23] <ryks> i am in
[11:23] <ryks> adept /manage
[11:23] <ryks> missing respond server ............
[11:23] <aldin> ryks: do u see now "Kubuntu software"
[11:23] <aldin> how to set up VNC server on kubuntu?
[11:23] <aldin> i mena how to run it
[11:23] <aldin> ryks: now check the repos u want
[11:23] <nino> ooooooooooooono
[11:23] <dusty-work> Hey guys, has anyone here installed ubuntu/kubuntu on the Laptop HP Compaq NX6325 with success (e.g. getting EVERYTHING working on it) ?
[11:23] <aldin> dusty-work: i have HP NX6125
[11:23] <Tm_T> dusty-work: hmm, what doesn't work?
[11:23] <aldin> dusty-work: it works great
[11:23] <TuTuFF> are the issues with knetworkmanaher and wpa_supplicant (bug reports appear to be filed) a commonplace issue?  is there any known workaround?
[11:23] <aldin> ryks: ?
[11:23] <nino> i must press key 1-2 sec before letter show onmonitor
[11:23] <dusty-work> Sweet aldin.
[11:23] <ryks> ?
[11:24] <dusty-work> Well, I have not installed it yet (Partition Magic is running setting up the partitions).  I was asking to see if anyone has already installed it and what problems/issues they were faced with (so I can go off and look into them before they happen).
[11:24] <nino> pleasehelp
[11:24] <ryks> sorry man the server
[11:24] <ryks> doesn t respond
[11:24] <ryks> tell me
[11:24] <ryks> more
[11:24] <ryks> aldin
[11:24] <aldin> ryks: how come
[11:24] <ryks> shoot
[11:25] <flaccid> TuTuFF: i believe issues are common yes with that
[11:25] <ryks> on line right now
[11:25] <ryks> shoot
[11:25] <ryks> so need GUI
[11:25] <ryks> ??
[11:25] <ryks> way
[11:27] <aldin> ryks: did u enabled repositories
[11:27] <lexxus> Hi all! Im going to buy a new computer, wich motherboard vendor is recommended?
[11:27] <flaccid> dusty-work: you are running partition magic on linux ?
[11:27] <ryks> i just put in search xine and i have a pakege
[11:29] <ryks> request instal?
[11:29] <ryks> like this?
[11:29] <ryks> i have a list with xine
[11:29] <ryks> xine video player library end so on......
[11:29] <ryks> an i aplay the changes..........
[11:29] <dusty-work> flaccid, Ermmm.. read what I said again.
[11:29] <flaccid> lexxus: one that works like asus
[11:29] <dusty-work>  Well, I have not installed it yet (Partition Magic is running setting up the partitions).
[11:29] <flaccid> you said installed, but you didn't say what you were going to install
[11:29] <flaccid> installed what??????
[11:29] <aldin> ryks: are u reading my questions/answers?
 Hey guys, has anyone here installed ubuntu/kubuntu on the Laptop HP Compaq NX6325 with success (e.g. getting EVERYTHING working on it) ?
[11:29] <dusty-work> YOu obviously don't read.
[11:29] <lexxus> flaccid: thanx, then it will be asus
[11:29] <flaccid> dusty-work: i didn't see that message must of be the next repeat you did i saw
[11:29] <flaccid> sorry dusty
[11:29] <dusty-work> Thats ok, i'm in a bit of a mood today.  :(
[11:29] <dusty-work> sorry to take it out on you.
[11:29] <flaccid> dusty-work: best to earch google on your model with linux and/or get the list of components in your notebook eg. soundard, vid card etc. and confirm if they are supported or not first
[11:29] <aldin> dusty-work: whats the probelm? can u just take live cd and to see if all working?
[11:29] <aldin> dusty-work: u can save ours nervs hehe
[11:29] <noaXess_kubuntu> hi all
[11:29] <noaXess_kubuntu> does anybody use the new palm treo 680 with kpilot?
[11:30] <dusty-work> aldin, flaccid good ideas, thanks.
[11:30] <dusty-work> I was just trying to waste time while partition magic finishes...
[11:30] <ryks> yes aldin but the server doesn t respond
[11:30] <ryks> sorry
[11:30] <aldin> need help about VNC viewer/server, on ubuntu i enable it "enable users to see mxy desktop" how to do it on kubuntu
[11:30] <aldin> ryks: which is server
[11:30] <aldin> ryks: change it to US
[11:30] <ryks> called
[11:30] <flaccid> dusty-work: livecd is definately a good idea to verify
[11:31] <ryks> freenode...
[11:31] <ryks> don t know
[11:31] <ryks> really
[11:33] <flaccid> !vnc
[11:33] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[11:33] <ryks> aham
[11:33] <ryks> have you a mail on yahoo
[11:33] <ryks> i can give to you my nick
[11:33] <ryks> ??
[11:33] <peer> hi! i'm running dapper. how can I dist-upgrade that to the new thing? my adept doesn't give me an option for a new version, as my edgy did this morning.
[11:35] <aldin> ryks: not that in adept to me it says main server
[11:35] <ryks> sorry aldin for truble but this server ...........
[11:35] <ryks> my mail on yahoo is splitterstars
[11:35] <ryks> with kopete...........
[11:35] <ryks> k aldin?
[11:35] <lexxus> urk, FreeNX or Nomachine NX are so insanely difficult for noobs...
[11:35] <flaccid> so is plain ol vnc or vnc over ssh
[11:35] <aldin> flaccid: is there some gui
[11:35] <flaccid> aldin: only for client
[11:35] <flaccid> things like samba and vnc support should be a priority for ubuntu, but they dont seem to be
[11:35] <flaccid> !upgrade
[11:35] <ubotu> See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[11:35] <[miles] > hi guys
[11:35] <[miles] > anyone having problems using Amarok with streaming radio
[11:35] <noaXess_kubuntu> does anybody use the new palm treo 680 with kpilot?
[11:35] <flaccid> [miles] : whats the problem
[11:35] <aldin> flacid it is krfb in internet menu?
[11:35] <[miles] > I'm finding it hit and miss.. sometime it works, other times Amarok crashes
[11:35] <[miles] > and other times it says something about the muxx
[11:35] <flaccid> aldin: i don't know
[11:35] <aldin> ryks: can u pls go to pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org
[11:35] <aldin> flaccid: go there
[11:35] <[miles] > find it very unstable indeed
[11:35] <aldin> flaccid: internet-desktop sharing
[11:35] <lexxus> [miles] : wich version of amarok?
[11:35] <flaccid> [miles] : the no demux is a xine problem
[11:35] <crube> Is it possible to mount iso images to act as a virtual drive?
[11:35] <MartYanu> darn...I get something like: Looking for PPPoE Access Compressor
[11:35] <aldin> ryks: are u in pastebin
[11:35] <flaccid> aldin: im not on kubuntu atm
[11:35] <aldin> flaccid: ok
[11:35] <[miles] > ah ok
[11:35] <flaccid> !iso > crube
[11:35] <[miles] > 1.4.5
[11:35] <ryks> so
[11:35] <MartYanu> and if I press NO, at listing the controllers it says that cannot find the cmd
[11:35] <[miles] > version ^^
[11:35] <lexxus> [miles] : ye, you might want to use gstremer insttead of xine as backbone...
[11:35] <aldin> what is going on with this channell
[11:35] <ryks> i am in kopete aldin
[11:36] <aldin> ryks: ok
[11:36] <flaccid> MartYanu: that is normal and if it doesn't find one, you'l need to try to learn ppp and set it up manual
[11:36] <[miles] > oh, can gstreamer be used again now? Thought they dropped that
[11:36] <ryks> my nick is splitterstars
[11:36] <[miles] > in favour of xine
[11:36] <[miles] > :S
[11:36] <aldin> ryks: go to that link
[11:36] <aldin> pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org
[11:36] <MartYanu> dawn :o)
[11:36] <BaudThief> Hello
[11:36] <[miles] > I'll try installing gstreamer instead
[11:36] <[miles] > thanks!
[11:36] <aldin> ryks: http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/
[11:36] <MartYanu> I cannot neither use the floppy disk
[11:36] <ryks> k
[11:36] <aldin> ryks: open konsole
[11:39] <flaccid> [miles] : you may need to recompile amarok. ask for advice in #amarok . i'd re-compile to get the engine support the the cvs script they provide
[11:39] <flaccid> !floppy
[11:39] <ubotu> To mount floppy disks, see here : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MakeFloppyDriveAvailableToEveryone
[11:39] <BaudThief> managed to successfully install kubuntu and beryl! But I can't seem to find an applet to edit KDE startup settings, I just need to make beryl-manager autostart
[11:39] <ryks> k
[11:39] <ryks> irc.freenode.net
[11:39] <MartYanu> dunno why, I pasted something in the /media/floppy0 and the file isn't there
[11:39] <[miles] > ok thanks flaccid
[11:39] <flaccid> np
[11:39] <MartYanu> Q: how do I remove the kubuntu?
[11:39] <BaudThief> Install windows :p
[11:39] <MartYanu> I am on the windows atm
[11:39] <flaccid> MartYanu: use zap
[11:39] <MartYanu> zap? :P
[11:39] <flaccid> thats what i said
[11:39] <MartYanu> !zap
[11:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about zap - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:39] <MartYanu> :D
[11:39] <ryks> irc.freenode.net
[11:39] <ryks> k
[11:39] <ryks> i am in konsole
[11:39] <aldin> ryks: did u open konsole
[11:39] <ryks> yap
[11:39] <aldin> ryks: great
[11:39] <flaccid> MartYanu: if you are on windows, you want zap or wipe to wipe the whole drive secure. otherwise just delete the kubuntu paritions if there is other stuff on the disk
[11:39] <ryks> and the link so
[11:40] <aldin> ryks: now type 'kate /etc/apt/sources.list'
[11:40] <flaccid> 'remove' kubuntu could be a million dif things
[11:40] <ryks> error
[11:40] <ryks> bad device....
[11:40] <MartYanu> there are many other things that I really need on the disk
[11:40] <flaccid> !baddevice > ryks
[11:41] <MartYanu> well, how can remove the kubuntu partions?
[11:41] <ryks> badevice...
[11:41] <flaccid> MartYanu: from windows or livecd
[11:41] <ryks> aha
[11:41] <ryks> like that
[11:41] <MartYanu> :-|
[11:41] <flaccid> actually you could do it from konsole
[11:41] <aldin> ryks: is it open kate editor now?
[11:41] <flaccid> coz it won't matter after its gone, but yeah
[11:41] <atidem> ciao
[11:41] <MartYanu> I'm lost..
[11:42] <ryks> yap
[11:42] <ryks> im in
[11:42] <MartYanu> the windows installation setup will see the Kubuntu partions?
[11:42] <ryks> surces.lis
[11:42] <flaccid> MartYanu: you havnt expalined what your plan is
[11:42] <ryks> kate
[11:42] <ryks> like that?
[11:42] <aldin> flacid krfb works great
[11:42] <MartYanu> I want to remove just Kubuntu
[11:42] <ryks> aldin?
[11:42] <flaccid> !info krfb
[11:42] <ubotu> krfb: Desktop Sharing for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu9 (feisty), package size 928 kB, installed size 1656 kB
[11:42] <MartYanu> to leave all my files there I mean (windows files0
[11:44] <flaccid> aldin: i'll try it at work. its optional
[11:44] <richardh_> Hi, anyone happen to have a Suspend to RAM issue with a usb_storage module?
[11:44] <aldin> ryks: ok now select all of that text and copy/paste it in pasttebin.ubuntu-nl.org
[11:44] <flaccid> MartYanu: then why did you mention windows installation setup?
[11:44] <MartYanu> I mean I just want to remove Kubuntu, and things to be like before installation
[11:44] <flaccid> aldin: krfb is kde not kubuntu, so need to get the project to embrace it..
[11:44] <ryks> aldin yap is open called sources.lis
[11:45] <flaccid> MartYanu: delete the kubuntu partitions from windows or livecd
[11:45] <MartYanu> from windows? how?
[11:45] <MartYanu> partition magic?
[11:45] <flaccid> MartYanu: i dont' know i dont' use windows. it doesn't do it native, but something can do it
[11:45] <ryks> don t have eny text here
[11:45] <flaccid> yeah partitionmagic can
[11:45] <ryks> sources.lis?
[11:46] <aldin> ryks: sources.list
[11:47] <ryks> aldin thz man for intention but is a fukin job to install a software...........
[11:47] <ryks> in linux
[11:47] <aldin> ryks: no! i think u dont listen carefully
[11:47] <ryks> yes
[11:47] <flaccid> ryks: what can't you install?
[11:47] <aldin> ryks: this is so easy it needs 10 secunds!
[11:47] <ryks> tell me
[11:47] <ryks> if is so easy
[11:48] <ryks> you know in windows just 2 clicks
[11:48] <flaccid> this is not windows, ryks
[11:48] <aldin> ryks: here the same
[11:48] <ryks> yes
[11:48] <flaccid> ryks: i ask you again. wtf are you trying to install?
[11:48] <ryks> but no support from developers
[11:48] <aldin> flaccid: he doesnt listen i am here half hour
[11:48] <flaccid> ryks: thats because they are busy developing for you
[11:48] <aldin> ryks: stop the windows subject
[11:49] <MartYanu> I found *:SWAPSPACE2 Error:1 ; PartType: Linux Swap
[11:49] <flaccid> aldin: yeah i noticed, its pretty damn annoying
[11:49] <ryks> k
[11:49] <ryks> i ma trying man
[11:49] <flaccid> MartYanu: delete all the ones you know are not windows. so linux and swap at least
[11:49] <aldin> ryks: ok look!!
[11:49] <ryks> good intention i have to leasen
[11:49] <flaccid> aldin: whats he trying to install?
[11:49] <aldin> he needs repos!
[11:49] <ryks> a stupid prg called xine
[11:49] <flaccid> for what??????????????????
[11:50] <flaccid> fuck how many times do i have to ask stuff here sometimes :)
[11:50] <aldin> main universe multiverse restricted
[11:50] <flaccid> for what???????????????????????????????/
[11:50] <aldin> everybody stop for a minute ok?
[11:50] <flaccid> what package does he want to install
[11:50] <flaccid> its a simple question
[11:50] <aldin> flaccid: mp3
[11:50] <aldin> ryks: ?
[11:50] <flaccid> !info mp3
[11:51] <ubotu> Package mp3 does not exist in feisty
[11:51] <ryks> i think i grab my gun and shoot the fukin comp
[11:51] <flaccid> there is no package called mp3
[11:51] <MartYanu> ryks, same here bro, hahaha
[11:51] <ryks> nop
[11:51] <flaccid> !codecs
[11:51] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:51] <ryks> nada amigo
[11:51] <flaccid> ryks: please read the above and stop flooding the channel!!!
[11:51] <MartYanu> I think I'll blow my head off
[11:51] <aldin> ryks: Kmenu->System->Adept Manager!
[11:51] <flaccid> i think i just did
[11:51] <sonoftheclayr> !language | flaccid ryks
[11:51] <ubotu> flaccid ryks: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[11:51] <crazy_bus> Is it possible to burn any video file to a video dvd in k3b?  Or do I need another program?
[11:52] <flaccid> sonoftheclayr: yeah f*n whatever
[11:52] <ryks> i am in
[11:52] <ryks> administrator adept
[11:52] <aldin> ryks: what u see now (if u are in) describe it
[11:52] <flaccid> ryks: like i said read and stop msging the channel.
[11:52] <mefisto__> can someone remind me how to blacklist one of my soundcards?
[11:52] <ryks> a big list
[11:52] <aldin> ryks: ok, great
[11:53] <ryks> so my kubuntu is in romanian leanguage
[11:53] <MartYanu> flaccid, is there any other distro that is more easier and that I can configure pppoe auto? and good?
[11:53] <aldin> now point mouse to Adept (in that window)
[11:53] <ryks> not in english
[11:53] <aldin> MartYanu: sudo pppoeconf does the job for cable/adsl
[11:53] <ryks> so have a big list
[11:53] <MartYanu> well, it doesn't work man!!!
[11:53] <flaccid> MartYanu: probably. i use pc-bsd, but i havnt checked out its out of the box PPPoE support so i can't recommend it in that respect
[11:54] <cps1966> wow so many ppl
[11:54] <flaccid> MartYanu: and as for linux pppoeconf is going to be the same on any linux distro...
[11:54] <ryks> with tipe/url/distribution...
[11:54] <ryks> and so on
[11:54] <flaccid> aldin: hehe it does the job if it works. it didn't work for me either, so i set up a freebsd gateway insead!
[11:54] <aldin> ryks: ok
[11:54] <mefisto__> can someone remind me how to blacklist one of my soundcards?
[11:54] <flaccid> please don't repeat mefisto__
[11:54] <aldin> ryks: what are the names of menu items
[11:55] <aldin> ryks: that u see
[11:55] <ryks> there are two ways
[11:55] <ryks> visibile
[11:55] <flaccid> mefisto__: i don't know myself. but google returns a lot about the subject
[11:55] <ryks> and transparent
[11:55] <cps1966> !balcklist
[11:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about balcklist - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:55] <MartYanu> !blacklist
[11:55] <ubotu> To blacklist a module, edit /etc/modprobe.d/my_blacklist and add  blacklist <modulename>  to the end of that list - To explicitly load modules in a specific order, list them in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and type  sudo update-initramfs -u 
[11:55] <MartYanu> :P
[11:56] <flaccid> mefisto__: maybe you are referring to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist ?
[11:56] <aldin> ryks: let me send u screenshot
[11:56] <ryks> k
[11:56] <flaccid> mefisto__: eg. blacklist snd_maestro3
[11:56] <ryks> how?
[11:57] <mefisto__> flaccid: I think that's what I wanted, thanks
[11:57] <flaccid> oh dang ubotu already said
[11:57] <flaccid> nice one MartYanu
[11:57] <ryks> in mail?
[11:57] <ryks> or what?
[11:57] <aldin> ryks: http://www.slibe.com/image/fb8d8444-adept/
[11:57] <MartYanu> thanks :o)
[11:57] <MartYanu> I get errors reading the partitions
[11:57] <ryks> aha
[11:57] <ryks> like that
[11:57] <MartYanu> because the one of the linux partition has invalid characters
[11:57] <MartYanu> damn
[11:57] <ryks> aldin
[11:57] <ryks> the same
[11:57] <flaccid> MartYanu: live cd and use qtparted is best :)
[11:58] <bonaldo2000> Does anyone of you know why I cant select qt as my theme for gtk applications in kubuntu? If I select it it just doesnt remember the setting and "jumps" back to the default which is using my kde theme...
[11:58] <MartYanu> live cd?
[11:58] <aldin> ryks: i klik on adept the first item on menu
[11:58] <flaccid> MartYanu: thats what i said
[11:58] <ryks> aha
[11:58] <MartYanu> what's that? :o)
[11:58] <flaccid> !livecd
[11:58] <ubotu> Ubuntu Dapper 'Desktop' CD contains a Live CD (Ubuntu that runs straight off the CD and RAM) with an install option. Breezy's Live CD contained no install.
[11:58] <MartYanu> I don't have that
[12:00] <ryks> aldin medal of honour for you
[12:00] <ryks> too good person
[12:00] <ryks> but i give up
[12:00] <ryks> thz a loot
[12:00] <ryks> :)
[12:00] <aldin> ryks: do as i do kilk on that u will get this http://www.slibe.com/image/98ce9866-adept2/
[12:00] <MartYanu> isn't there any way to remove these partitions manually?
[12:00] <aldin> ryks: come on man speed up !
[12:00] <flaccid> MartYanu: that is manual
[12:01] <aldin> ryks: ?
[12:01] <aldin> ryks: check those repos and
[12:01] <ryks> aldin medal of honour for you
[12:01] <flaccid> you can do it without it, but you have to unmount the root partition and a few other things. not something i would like to help you with
[12:01] <ryks> thz a loot
[12:01] <ryks> good person
[12:01] <aldin> ryks: ok
[12:01] <ryks> k
[12:01] <ryks> :)
[12:01] <aldin> ryks: u are one step to do this riht
[12:01] <flaccid> ryks: so can you stop flooding now?
[12:01] <ryks> hehe
[12:02] <ryks> flaccid?
[12:02] <MartYanu> LOL
[12:02] <MartYanu> haha
[12:02] <ryks> you know is isn t working well the server
[12:02] <ryks> so
[12:02] <flaccid> yes. stop messaging all the time please there is no reason. you can put thigns on one big line like this instead 1 word each on 5 lines..
[12:02] <ryks> i cant flood well
[12:02] <ryks> :)
[12:03] <aldin> ryks: will u continue or what?
[12:03] <ryks> yap
[12:03] <ryks> a promise
[12:03] <ryks> in the future with linux
[12:04] <MartYanu> omg............................
[12:04] <flaccid> stop it ryks
[12:04] <aldin> i am out
[12:04] <ryks> k
[12:04] <flaccid> for 5 minutes. is that too much to ask?
[12:04] <ryks> bye friend
[12:04] <aldin> see you guys
[12:04] <flaccid> cya aldin
[12:04] <tatters> I use TV-out as a single monitor, I have my desktop set to 800x600 , when I open application such as kmymoney the form opens to the right cut in half, if I drag it to the centre the bottom of the form is stretched beyond my TV border making it impossible  to  click apply/cancel etc , any way I can fore KDE apps o position themselves correctly?
[12:04] <crazy_bus> can anyone tell me of some software to burn video dvds.  I tried devede but it for some reason only used half of the dvd everytime I used it
[12:05] <MartYanu> oh myyy my god!
[12:05] <flaccid> tatters: you could right click window title bar and goto special window settings and make it remember the position etc.
[12:05] <ryks> dont like it just quit!!!!!!!!!!hehe
[12:05] <ryks> martyanu
[12:06] <MartYanu> LOL
[12:06] <MartYanu> I cannot format all my PC
[12:06] <MartYanu> I have very, I mean VERY important data on it lol
[12:06] <ryks> xxx files?
[12:06] <flaccid> i don't think anyone suggested to format your hard disk
[12:07] <MartYanu> I've read that on dozens forums
[12:07] <ryks> just back up first ..........
[12:07] <MartYanu> no ryks, court files.
[12:07] <ryks> to dvd
[12:07] <flaccid> MartYanu: its a forum, anyone could post and say that. i woudlnt trust half of what is on forums
[12:07] <MartYanu> I don't have DVD-RW
[12:07] <ryks> too bad man
[12:08] <ryks> to other hdd
[12:10] <tatters> flaccid: thnx, I will try that but the main problem is the form still shows to large for screen and It will not allow me to resize its hieght any way to fix that?
[12:10] <flaccid> MartYanu: you could find someonebody like in ##linux who will help you do it without booting from a dif medium. i dont wanna help you because i aint done it for ages and don't wanna stuff anything up on your disk
[12:10] <flaccid> tatters: don't know. ask in #kde
[12:10] <MartYanu> oh
[12:10] <tatters> Will do
[12:10] <flaccid> MartYanu: you might have a cd you can boot with where you can go to its installer, but just use the partitioning program to remove the parts and then just dont install
[12:12] <flaccid> MartYanu: this might be a good technique as well: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/VALinux-kb/remove-linux-partitions.html
[12:16] <mrcreativity> can someone please help me configure my graphics card in kubuntu?
[12:16] <mrcreativity> its a gf 6600gt
[12:16] <mrcreativity> i have tried the packages in the adept installer
[12:16] <mrcreativity> and kubuntu has crashed time and time again
[12:16] <mrcreativity> can someone please help me
[12:16] <flaccid> if i must :p
[12:16] <flaccid> is this nvidia or at
[12:16] <flaccid> ati
[12:16] <mrcreativity> flaccid: hi again.
[12:16] <flaccid> hi
[12:16] <mrcreativity> flaccid: nvidia
[12:16] <flaccid> are you doing the binary or open driver?
[12:16] <mrcreativity> i looked at the links people sent me, but none of them were helpful at all
[12:16] <mrcreativity> im doing the binary from the ubuntu repositories
[12:16] <flaccid> thats funny because those links usually enable people to use their drivers
[12:16] <flaccid> and what is the problem
[12:16] <mrcreativity> after i install the driver and then restart, the screen is all messed up
[12:16] <flaccid> did you check the X log?
[12:17] <mrcreativity> i cant...nothing comes up
[12:17] <mrcreativity> just the splash screen and them boom...a garbled screen with funkky patterns and colors
[12:17] <flaccid> you can by going to ctrl+alt+f1 and logging in there
[12:17] <mrcreativity> the log in screen doesnt show
[12:17] <flaccid> if you pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log i'm happy to look further
[12:18] <flaccid> without further information can't do anything
[12:18] <mrcreativity> so i should start up in recovery mode
[12:18] <mrcreativity> but that goes to root...
[12:18] <flaccid> thats single user mode
[12:18] <mrcreativity> i just reinstalled kubuntu and am downloading drivers from nvidia
[12:19] <flaccid> yes you've said this already
[12:19] <Alarm-> hello. i own an nvidia mx440 vga, and tried to install the drivers as listed in that link: http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Latest_Nvidia_Breezy (method 1) . somehow, neither do i see the nvidia logo, neither do i see the nvidia shortcut in the menu list for the settings. nor doesnt glxinfo or glxgear appear something . where could i find an appropriate nvidia driver installation
[12:19] <flaccid> on no
[12:19] <mrcreativity> flaccid: im downloading drivers from the nvidia site as we speak
[12:19] <Toyd> maybe Linux is a conspiracy started by Bill Gates to keep the clueful off Windows? (refers to Ira Levin's 'This Perfect Day', if you'll read dat!)
[12:19] <sixty_mls> mrcreativity: have you used envy (http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html) worked great for me.  Simple to setup.
[12:20] <flaccid> mrcreativity: i dont see how that will help, but ok
[12:20] <mrcreativity> u dont think that will help?
[12:20] <se7en> sixty_mls: will that work on feisty
[12:20] <flaccid> no i don't
[12:21] <mrcreativity> oh...
[12:21] <mrcreativity> if i get that messed up screen again, i should start in recovery mode?
[12:21] <sixty_mls> hmm....should do (although I'm still on edgy).  I think an unstable version was released for feisty
[12:21] <flaccid> mrcreativity: do you listen>
[12:22] <Alarm-> anyone at least telling me what does the: kdesu kate /usr/share/applications/NVIDIA-Settings.desktop exactly do ?
[12:22] <flaccid> [2007-04-25 20:17]  <flaccid> if you pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log i'm happy to look further
[12:22] <mrcreativity> im sorry...did i miss somehting
[12:22] <mrcreativity> but the thing is, i just reinstalled kubuntu...
[12:22] <mrcreativity> i havent installed the drivers yet
[12:22] <flaccid> so
[12:22] <flaccid> is what you are saying is that you can't get the files to a pastebin?
[12:23] <mrcreativity> no that i can do...
[12:23] <flaccid> then what is the problem
[12:23] <mrcreativity> but its a fresh install, how can u tell whats wrong
[12:23] <alexicon> anyone here use gnome? [i know i should probably go to #ubuntu, but i dont like the chan as much...]  my time is all sorts of wrong, and when i right click there is no adjust date and time option there *_*
[12:23] <flaccid> are you telling me you have problems, but you don't even have the drivers yet
[12:24] <flaccid> mrcreativity: like i said by checking the log
[12:24] <mrcreativity> i have the problem everytime i install the driver...
[12:24] <mrcreativity> i just did a clean install of kubuntu
[12:25] <mrcreativity> but i havent installed the driver yet
[12:25] <mrcreativity> are u with me?
[12:25] <flaccid> yes
[12:25] <flaccid> why do you think im asking for the log and the configuration?
[12:25] <mrcreativity> alright
[12:25] <flaccid> just for fun?
[12:25] <mrcreativity> one sec
[12:25] <alexicon> good book that
[12:26] <alexicon> !system clock
[12:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about system clock - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:26] <flaccid> mrcreativity: if this xorg.conf makes our new install fuzzy like you say. i'll see if there is problem and get it to work with vesa driver until you install the prop. drivers.
[12:26] <alexicon> !date
[12:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about date - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:26] <flaccid> !ntp
[12:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ntp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:26] <flaccid> !ntpdate
[12:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ntpdate - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:26] <flaccid> !ntpd
[12:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ntpd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:26] <alexicon> heh
[12:26] <alexicon> i'll get ntp then...
[12:27] <alexicon> not that it works on my desktop...
[12:27] <flaccid> yeah pretty much
[12:27] <flaccid> you usually need to configure ntp.conf a bit
[12:27] <flaccid> ntpdate is quite handy i recommend looking up that
[12:27] <alexicon> gnome has an interface to let you pick which server to use
[12:27] <alexicon> and your time zone
[12:27] <flaccid> so does kde
[12:27] <alexicon> but it still doesnt seem to update it nearly enough
[12:27] <alexicon> my clock is always out
[12:28] <flaccid> yeah i don't believe ntp works very well on ubuntu. its not reliable at all.
[12:28] <flaccid> i know its not the ntp servers, coz ive had to fix it many tiems
[12:28] <alexicon> yeah
[12:28] <alexicon> ive setup a lot of ntp stuff on solaris
[12:29] <alexicon> but at home it never seems to work as well
[12:29] <flaccid> yeah i think its on of those ubuntu sux things imo
[12:29] <alexicon> im just a bit confused as to why gnome on my desktop has the option to adjust the time, ut on my laptop i dont seem to be able to change the time
[12:30] <alexicon> looks like my desktop has this process time-admin. but i dunno what package that comes from
[12:30] <flaccid> i guess you could ask that in #gnome or #ubuntu maybe the ntp stuff installed on the system is dif or dif config somehow
[12:30] <flaccid> !find time-admin
[12:30] <flaccid> i aint heard of that before
[12:30] <alexicon> ok
[12:31] <ubotu> File time-admin found in gnome-system-tools, xubuntu-system-tools
[12:31] <alexicon> ah
[12:31] <alexicon> nice
[12:31] <flaccid> kde does have it in "adjust date and time"
[12:31] <alexicon> yeah
[12:31] <flaccid> kde-clock
[12:31] <alexicon> ive been doing a lot of gtk/gstreamer dev so i switched to gnome for now
[12:31] <alexicon> god get me through this final year...
[12:32] <flaccid> but it doesn't work for me at work - can't contact ntp servers - and there is no reason why it can't
[12:32] <alexicon> yeah same, my ntp auto update doesnt work
[12:32] <alexicon> but the once off ntp update does sync
[12:32] <flaccid> its stuff like this that imo opinion is unacceptable considering the age of ubuntu
[12:32] <flaccid> yep same as me. a lot of this kind of stuff exists, sometimes in bug reports too, sometimes off the planet
[12:33] <alexicon> yeah
[12:33] <flaccid> its just a shame the new major release comes out and stuff like this still exists
[12:33] <mrcreativity> flaccid: please hang on, for some reason the pastebins im trying arent responding
[12:34] <alexicon> yeah youd really thing ntp would be standard in the install.. its so small and simple, but incredibly useful
[12:34] <flaccid> !find ntp
[12:34] <ubotu> Found: ntp, ntp-doc, ntp-simple, ntpdate, cyrus-nntpd-2.2 (and 10 others)
[12:34] <flaccid> !info ntp
[12:34] <ubotu> ntp: Network Time Protocol daemon and utility programs. In component main, is optional. Version 1:4.2.2.p4+dfsg-1ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 319 kB, installed size 856 kB
[12:35] <alexicon> hrm is fiesty officially out now?
[12:35] <flaccid> alexicon: does kubuntu ship with out of the box ntp, it doesn't ?
[12:35] <flaccid> yep
[12:35] <alexicon> flaccid: i woulda thought, but i justchecked my laptop and it wasnt there @_@
[12:36] <alexicon> kubuntu edgy im running on both machines
[12:36] <flaccid> alexicon: its a bit ridiculous considering its a full fledged graphical desktop
[12:36] <alexicon> yeah heh
[12:36] <alexicon> maybe it comes with fiesty tho
[12:36] <flaccid> cant fit in a small daemon heh
[12:36] <alexicon> lol
[12:36] <pollyo> Hello
[12:36] <alexicon> ewww... ive only got like 650mb left on / on my laptop...
[12:37] <pollyo> Anyone familiar with setting up password protection in apache2?  I want to create a directory under my public_html that is password protected.
[12:37] <pollyo> I think I have to setup a .htpasswd file.
[12:38] <mrcreativity> flaccid: please wait. for some reason i cant seem to use pastebin
[12:38] <flaccid> pollyo: its in the apache manual
[12:38] <flaccid> mrcreativity: np
[12:39] <pollyo> flaccid: Just found it.
[12:40] <flaccid> cool
[12:40] <flaccid> basic or digest, your choice :)
[12:41] <alexicon> !info libao-ruby
[12:41] <ubotu> libao-ruby: cross-platform audio output library bindings for Ruby. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1-1ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 2 kB, installed size 32 kB
[12:41] <flaccid> sick
[12:41] <flaccid> do you think ruby is slow, alexicon?
[12:41] <mrcreativity> how do i close xserver?
[12:41] <flaccid> or is it the way of the future heh
[12:41] <alexicon> lol yeah, but its so fun to write :D
[12:41] <flaccid> mrcreativity: close x server?
[12:41] <mrcreativity> yeah,
[12:41] <alexicon> its more fun than java...
[12:42] <alexicon> if i had to do this project in java i woulda jumped out my window months ago
[12:42] <flaccid> alexicon: i don't like the syntax but maybe i just need to tell myself to like it
[12:42] <alexicon> :o
[12:42] <mrcreativity> i get this msg when i try to install the nvidia drivers i downloaded that xserver is running...i need to exit
[12:42] <alexicon> i love the syntax
[12:42] <alexicon> and i love ruby documentation, best tech reading since.. EVER! lol
[12:42] <flaccid> mrcreativity: you downloaded direct from the site instead of following the binarydriver howto ?
[12:43] <flaccid> alexicon: hmm ok, i'll have to try to get into it then
[12:43] <mrcreativity> i tried that remember
[12:43] <flaccid> no i don't
[12:43] <flaccid> you can do a /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[12:43] <flaccid> that might be suffice
[12:43] <mrcreativity> thats when my screen was getting messed up
[12:44] <pucko-> hello. is there a guide for installing beryl/compiz on kubuntu feisty somwhere?
[12:44] <flaccid> !beryl
[12:44] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[12:44] <alexicon> yes many pucko-
[12:44] <flaccid> !compiz > pucko-
[12:44] <markelhas> hi ppl i've just update my kubuntu to 7.04 and now it's very slow and with some freezes, any tips!?
[12:44] <alexicon> hrmm lemme try and find the guide i liked
[12:45] <pucko-> ok. one more question then. does it work the same in ubuntu and kubuntu? I mean, can I use a guide for ubuntu on kubuntu?
[12:45] <alexicon> pucko-: i used this one https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BerylOnEdgy
[12:45] <alexicon> yea pucko- its the same
[12:45] <pucko-> ok.
[12:46] <alexicon> you using nvidia or ati pucko-?
[12:46] <sakyamuni> mark, you could always tweak your xorg settings
[12:46] <markelhas> when i try to start any app it takes  alot a the system freezes!!!
[12:47] <sakyamuni> was it a clean install? or an upgrade
[12:47] <markelhas> i've try the both, clean an upgrade and the result is the same
[12:48] <markelhas> sakyamuni: i've installed 6.10 ans then upgrade
[12:48] <sakyamuni> what machine are you running it on?
[12:48] <markelhas> sakyamuni: laptop asus m3n
[12:48] <jbrockmeier> I have what's probably a simple question -- how does one enable desktop effects in Kubuntu?
[12:48] <sakyamuni> whats the graphics card/chip for that?
[12:49] <markelhas> sakyamuni: hummm don't now. can i check it?
[12:49] <alexicon> jbrockmeier: which desktop effects? you mean the cube and transparency?
[12:49] <jbrockmeier> alexicon: yes, but more basically how to enable compiz in KDE
[12:49] <sakyamuni> id google your model number and find out from a vender if you dont have the paperwork
[12:49] <flaccid> !compiz > jbrockmeier
[12:49] <alexicon> beryl is used much more than compiz no jbrockmeier
[12:50] <alexicon> more active development i find
[12:50] <jbrockmeier> alexicon: I have the kde packages installed, compiz works fine with GNOME, but I'd rather run KDE
[12:50] <sakyamuni> once you have that id check an ubuntu forum
[12:50] <markelhas> sakyamuni: CPU0: Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1600MHz stepping 05
[12:50] <flaccid> sakyamuni: you can use lshw or lspci as well to find out the video card or other hardware
[12:50] <sakyamuni> searching for that model, theyre are bound to be other users with the same setup
[12:50] <flaccid> jbrockmeier: goto #ubuntu-effects
[12:50] <alexicon> if you already have compiz working in gnome, i dont see why it wouldnt work for kde
[12:51] <markelhas> i've to set nolapic and noapic to boot
[12:51] <alexicon> might have to execute some compiz manager thing... dunno
[12:51] <sakyamuni> flaccid, but that will tell you the drivers, not the hardware itself i thought, if your driver doesnt match your hardware you wont know for sure
[12:51] <markelhas> because if not it reebots when starting
[12:51] <jbrockmeier> alexicon: right -- that's what I'm trying to find.
[12:51] <flaccid> sakyamuni: no itsnot drivers. it lists the hardware labels
[12:51] <alexicon> yeah best ask the effects people, they should know
[12:51] <jbrockmeier> I've been through the prefs and don't see a "desktop effects" or anything
[12:51] <jbrockmeier> alexicon: alrighty
[12:51] <jbrockmeier> thanks
[12:51] <sakyamuni> ok flaccid, my mistake
[12:51] <flaccid> sakyamuni: it tells you the hardware itself
[12:51] <jbrockmeier> thanks flaccid
[12:52] <sakyamuni> thanks
[12:52] <flaccid> np
[12:52] <flaccid> compiz and beryl are not part of kubuntu . will probably be one day when they are stable
[12:52] <sakyamuni> beryl has step by step instructions on their site
[12:53] <sakyamuni> it doesnt work too well on my graphics card though
[12:53] <sakyamuni> older computer
[12:53] <markelhas> i don't now what to do to solve this low performance :(
[12:54] <sakyamuni> first find out what graphics chip your using
[12:54] <markelhas> it's intel
[12:54] <sakyamuni> which one
[12:54] <markelhas> Intel 855GM / ICH4-M
[12:54] <markelhas> Integrated Intel 82855GM graphics controller with up to 64MB of shared
[12:55] <markelhas> it's a centrino
[12:56] <flaccid> markelhas: have you checked top or ksysguard to see if something is hogging cpu usage?
[12:56] <markelhas> http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/asus-centrino/
[12:58] <markelhas> flaccid: in top or ksysguard seamens everything ok
[12:58] <sakyamuni> is your direct rendering working?
[12:58] <flaccid> markelhas: im on an asus w1000na at the moment. its not on kubuntu but kubuntu is usually on it and it works.
[12:58] <flaccid> markelhas: must be video related. which driver is being used
[12:58] <sakyamuni> Try glxinfo |grep direct to see if direct rendering is enabled.
[12:58] <markelhas> flaccid: don't now
[12:59] <flaccid> ah well
[12:59] <markelhas> sakyamuni: direct rendering: Yes
[12:59] <flaccid> pastebin your xorg.conf
[12:59] <markelhas> flaccid: where is the xorg.conf
[01:00] <sakyamuni> it should be in your etc folder
[01:00] <sakyamuni> under x11
[01:00] <flaccid> hey they don't even mention my notebook in that asus centrino page. heh they never do yet its the best
[01:00] <markelhas> ok found it
[01:00] <markelhas> !pastebin
[01:00] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[01:01] <markelhas> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17571/
[01:03] <cps1966> !nvidia
[01:03] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:03] <flaccid> markelhas: you have intel video card, not ati or nvidia?
[01:04] <markelhas> the first time that i installed kubuntu
[01:04] <leleobhz> hello all
[01:04] <markelhas> flaccid: yap intel
[01:04] <leleobhz> someone can pair bluetooth devices in kubuntu?
[01:04] <leleobhz> because i can be discovered and pairing arent asking me the pin
[01:05] <flaccid> markelhas: maybe you need that i855 centrino video thing
[01:05] <flaccid> !find i855
[01:05] <ubotu> Found: i855-crt
[01:05] <flaccid> !info i855-crt
[01:05] <ubotu> i855-crt: i855 TV Out switching. In component main, is optional. Version 0.4-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 15 kB, installed size 80 kB (Only available for i386)
[01:05] <flaccid> hmm not sure sorry
[01:06] <markelhas> the first time that i installed kubuntu 6.06 i've a performance problem due to use partition magic to create partition. But in the channel someone told me to use the partition tool that was in the live cd and it works. But now the i've used it and the slow performance is there.
[01:06] <flaccid> markelhas: id look for other xorg.conf people use in google for your video card / driver the i810
[01:07] <flaccid> um maybe partition magic did screw something when you use it
[01:08] <markelhas> flaccid: nop because everything was working with 6.10, but now with 7.04 not
[01:08] <flaccid> so
[01:08] <flaccid> you still used partitionmagic
[01:09] <markelhas> flaccid: not anymore, used the partition tool that was in livecd
[01:09] <flaccid> yes not anymore
[01:09] <flaccid> but you did in the past the same disk
[01:09] <flaccid> goto #xorg and ask for advice
[01:09] <markelhas> flaccid: yes i did
[01:09] <flaccid> ok
[01:09] <markelhas> flaccid: ok thnks
[01:10] <flaccid> i dont think i can help further
[01:11] <leleobhz> noone with bluetooth here?
[01:12] <richardh_> Anyone have problems suspending to RAM or Disk?
[01:13] <fssssssssssh> yes
[01:13] <fssssssssssh> i have a fix
[01:13] <fssssssssssh> but its still taking too long
[01:14] <fssssssssssh> do you have nvidia oder ati richardh_ ?
[01:17] <pucko-> oh sweet. beryl wasn't hard at all to get working. what a surprise.
[01:17] <fssssssssssh> :)
[01:18] <markelhas> flaccid: in top the Command Xorg got 95% of CPU
[01:18] <flaccid> swee pucko- i might try it then one day
[01:19] <flaccid> markelhas: there is your problem :) check the X log to see what might be doing this
[01:19] <flaccid> also disable DRI for now to see if that is the problem
[01:19] <balu> Hey guys, how to enable nvidia on Feisty (Kubuntu?) I don't have "System -> Administration -> Restricted Devices Manager" as the Wiki suggests... Do I have to install it manually?
[01:19] <markelhas> flaccid: when i try to open something Xorg to 95%
[01:20] <markelhas> flaccid: can u help me with that, how can i disable DRI?
[01:20] <flaccid> comment it out of xorg.conf
[01:21] <flaccid> the last section
[01:21] <markelhas> flaccid: ok
[01:21] <flaccid> you can also try commenting out glx for the time being for testing
[01:21] <flaccid> but checking logs is important. so is nagging people in #xorg again :)
[01:22] <markelhas> flaccid: no one helping there :(
[01:23] <flaccid> correction. no one helping there atm :)
[01:23] <markelhas> flaccid: lol yap sorry
[01:24] <flaccid> hehe
[01:24] <cps1966> !googleearth
[01:24] <ubotu> Google Earth is now available, for free (only as in price), for Linux, too. To download it see http://earth.google.com/download-earth.html - A package for Ubuntu is available in the !Medibuntu repository
[01:24] <markelhas> flaccid: so, can i reload xorg.conf without rebooting?
[01:25] <flaccid> markelhas: yeah logout to kdm. then select restart X server
[01:26] <cps1966> !Medibuntu repository
[01:26] <Eyeless> how do i make firefox use mplayer-plugin instead of the useless default gnome-mediaplayer?
[01:27] <Eyeless> that would be totem
[01:28] <Eyeless> !Medibuntu
[01:28] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/
[01:30] <cps1966> !repositories
[01:30] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:34] <Eyeless> !totem
[01:34] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Audacious, Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[01:34] <Eyeless> !mplayer
[01:34] <ubotu> mplayer is a media player. It resides in the mutiverse repository and can easily be installed via applications -> add/remove. For codecs try !codecs
[01:40] <{Black_Devil}> !kaffeine
[01:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kaffeine - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:40] <{Black_Devil}> !kdewallet
[01:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kdewallet - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:41] <{Black_Devil}> !konversation
[01:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about konversation - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:41] <{Black_Devil}> !Konversation
[01:41] <{Black_Devil}> !Konversation
[01:41] <{Black_Devil}> !Konversation
[01:41] <{Black_Devil}> !Konversation
[01:41] <{Black_Devil}> !konversation
[01:45] <cps1966> gofish
[01:47] <skyion> !hmm
[01:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hmm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
 Die folgenden Pakete haben nichterfllte Abhngigkeiten:
[01:59] <cypherdelic>    kdelibs: Hngt ab: kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu14+2) soll aber nicht installiert werden
[01:59] <cypherdelic>  E: Kaputte Pakete
[01:59] <cypherdelic>  where is 3.5.6-0ubuntu14+2
[01:59] <cypherdelic>  i updated my sources.list
[01:59] <cypherdelic>  there is no +2 on Main Server neither on German Server
[02:00] <markelhas> flaccid: hei the Xorg keep at 95%
[02:00] <flaccid> anyone know how to open a media file in konqueror via smb:/ and stream it instead of having to d/l the whole movie first before playing?
[02:01] <jmv> flaccid: use smb4k and mount shares
[02:01] <flaccid> markelhas: so im assuming you checked the log and nothing sus is there
[02:02] <markelhas> flaccid: i've changed the xorg.conf file and restart the X and very very slow
[02:02] <flaccid> jmv: i already use smb4k, i don't want to mount anything, i want to stream it like windows does
[02:02] <markelhas> flaccid: i think i've check the right log :P
[02:02] <flaccid> markelhas: what did you check
[02:02] <cypherdelic> please help
[02:02] <leleobhz> 3~argh
[02:02] <flaccid> !ask > cypherdelic
[02:03] <flaccid> !help
[02:03] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[02:03] <markelhas> flaccid: the boot log!
[02:03] <flaccid> markelhas: it doesn't log there. see /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[02:03] <markelhas> flaccid: and dmesg also
[02:04] <jmv> flaccid: there's no other way
[02:04] <cypherdelic> !ask kdelibs
[02:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ask kdelibs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:04] <cypherdelic>  <cypherdelic> Die folgenden Pakete haben nichterfllte Abhngigkeiten:
[02:04] <cypherdelic>     kdelibs: Hngt ab: kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu14+2) soll aber nicht installiert werden
[02:04] <cypherdelic>   E: Kaputte Pakete
[02:04] <cypherdelic>   where is 3.5.6-0ubuntu14+2
[02:04] <cypherdelic>   i updated my sources.list
[02:04] <cypherdelic>   there is no +2 on Main Server neither on German Server
[02:05] <cypherdelic> please help
[02:05] <Jucato> !de
[02:05] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[02:05] <flaccid> jmv: i think some media players can do it, otherwise its a limitation of kde and windows beats linux hands down here! ?
[02:06] <giaso> hi all
[02:08] <NiceGuyUK> !ninan
[02:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ninan - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:08] <NiceGuyUK> !usenet
[02:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about usenet - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:08] <NiceGuyUK> bummer
[02:09] <markelhas> flaccid: to many strange things in that log, don't no if there are errors or not!
[02:09] <TooMuchBeer> does having Kubuntu running on an install that also has the gnome-desktop metapackage installed cause many problems under the native KDE desktop ?
[02:10] <giaso> i need some basic help with feisty
[02:10] <markelhas> !paste
[02:10] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:10] <flaccid> markelhas: pastebin it
[02:10] <flaccid> TooMuchBeer: no problems
[02:10] <flaccid> !ask > giaso
[02:11] <TooMuchBeer> flaccid: hmmm, ok, there goes one theory of mine :-/
[02:11] <giaso> every first time i log into kde, starkde is extremely slow, if I stop it and re-login it works as it should
[02:11] <flaccid> TooMuchBeer: whats the problem?
[02:11] <markelhas> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17582/
[02:11] <giaso> is there any way to debug or get a log from startkde?
[02:11] <markelhas> flaccid: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17582/
[02:12] <hans_> Has anyone had any troubling booting the kubuntu feisty cd? Mine stops at different times during the loading of the linux kernel on my laptop
[02:13] <TooMuchBeer> !noapic
[02:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about noapic - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:13] <TooMuchBeer> !no_apic
[02:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about no_apic - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:13] <TooMuchBeer> bummer again
[02:14] <obsethryl> a trivial question, how well rooted is kde rooted into kubuntu? Are there any issues that deserve special mention in this last release?
[02:14] <TooMuchBeer> hans_ : I can't remember the exactg option, but there's a boot option something like "noAPIC" that helps on laptops.  Google will help find the correct syntax ?
[02:14] <flaccid> obsethryl: only what is on the release notes
[02:15] <flaccid> TooMuchBeer: no acpi is on google yes
[02:15] <hans_> TooMuchBeer: Ok thanks
[02:16] <obsethryl> flaccid: thanks, are there any links to find out more about KDE and ubuntu and the relative "politics" of it? I see in kdedevelopers blog that there are people who work in the kde team and for kubuntu as well, but there is some net contrast in views regarding the overall experience...
[02:16] <cps1966> !mozilla
[02:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mozilla - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:16] <obsethryl> I would very much appreciate any input on this
[02:18] <flaccid> obsethryl: that talk will be all over the net. just keep googling!
[02:18] <flaccid> obsethryl: heh or join their mailing lists and other things to get into it
[02:18] <obsethryl> flaccid: kind of difficult to separate the static i am afraid, there are some overzealous people on both sides
[02:18] <hans_> nopaic and noacpi is two different things?
[02:18] <obsethryl> flaccid: thanks for the reply nonetheless
[02:19] <flaccid> obsethryl: i am not sure what you are trying to find out or conclude. its an open community
[02:19] <flaccid> the static?
[02:19] <flaccid> just remember that only when its at a proof of concept level do generalisations against something eg. a distro are valid
[02:20] <Edulix> hi
[02:20] <obsethryl> flaccid: kubuntu is good, kubuntu is bad, cool / uncool. I am trying to find out how much effort is likely to continue to be put in kubuntu development regarding KDE, given that the main mommy distro is doing all things alla gnome.
[02:20] <Edulix> how can achieve in a directory that new files inside it are getting always rw-rw-r-- permissions by default?
[02:20] <obsethryl> flaccid: google contains too much 1 vs 2 things and i thought of directly asking in here and #kde
[02:20] <Edulix> now they are getting rw-r--r-- which is anoying
[02:21] <hans_> obsethryl: It is my experience that whatever fancy thing ubuntu brags about kubuntu will have it 1 or 2 version later
[02:21] <hans_> I like Ubuntu and dislike Kubuntu but like kde and dislike Gnome...
[02:22] <von> hello
[02:22] <obsethryl> hans_: i know, i prefer KDE myself a lot; right now i am on debian btw
[02:22] <flaccid> obsethryl: ubuntu is like the most popular linux disto in the world atm. kubuntu doesn't develop kde, KDE develops KDE.. so im not sure what you mean.
[02:22] <cps1966> hans_:  maybe you should give sabayon a try
[02:23] <hans_> cps1966: ?
[02:23] <von> Does someone know well KDE????
[02:23] <cps1966> gentoo at its best
[02:23] <giaso> why von?
[02:23] <obsethryl> flaccid: integration of KDE within kubuntu; jriddel is a kubuntu developer developing for kde as well. I am trying to figure out if kubuntu is not only existing for getting the attention of average kde users or it is a project that is to have better luck in the future as well, nothing more
[02:24] <von> giaso: cause i've an error when i launch kde applications
[02:24] <markelhas> flaccid: did u check the log !?
[02:24] <flaccid> obsethryl: you still don't make sence
[02:24] <flaccid> sense
[02:24] <obsethryl> flaccid: every distro has issues with QA over big projects like KDE the ones that have less win; that said i am in the process of testing kubuntu
[02:24] <giaso> von: what kind of error?
[02:24] <flaccid> obsethryl: kde is packaged
[02:25] <Assimilator> hello
[02:25] <von> X Error: BadDevice,invalid or uninitialized input device 169
[02:25] <obsethryl> flaccid: yes, but that does not mean by default that everything is done flawlessly, take for example issues stated in kdedevelopers blog from KDE people regarding gentoo packaging of the KDE desktop + all its affiliated apps
[02:25] <flaccid> well im still not sure what sort of conclusion you are trying to get to. there is a lack of quality assurance in the linux world. i havnt seen a distro that has a quality process...
[02:26] <Assimilator> how do I get compiz to work in kubuntu-desktop ?
[02:26] <giaso> von: looks like some xorg configuration error
[02:26] <icecruncher> just a quick question, how do you copy a directory with cp?
[02:26] <TooMuchBeer> flaccid: Xandros has just passed LSB certification
[02:26] <giaso> cp -a
[02:26] <icecruncher> thanks
[02:26] <von> giaso : I know I've strange stuff in it
[02:26] <flaccid> obsethryl: in that respect, you need only look at kubuntu bugs on launchpad and do the deduction from there. ubuntu is a cutting edge distro so its not stable like debian or something
[02:26] <roadfish> von: you can also ask the #kde gurus if the #kubuntu gurus can't help. Or even ask on #xorg.
[02:27] <von> giaso : but if i remove them X doesnt work
[02:27] <flaccid> TooMuchBeer: what is lsb certification?
[02:27] <obsethryl> flaccid: there are, some tend to be extremist in it and result in slow releases, others in midway others non at all. I am just trying to find out how good is QA in the case of kubuntu and if there are any complaints about it. I am only doing field research through personal testing and asking in here :)
[02:27] <TooMuchBeer> Linux Standards Base
[02:27] <flaccid> markelhas: looking now
[02:27] <llutz> hi
[02:27] <giaso> von: try reconfiguring xorg-server
[02:27] <obsethryl> anyway, i appreciate the time taken to respond from all people, thank you.
[02:28] <von> giaso do you know what wacom input device is?
[02:28] <flaccid> obsethryl: which distros have it? well in terms of quality assurance, i think ubuntu sux bad, and i've been telling them that for a long time now.
[02:28] <s-toned> I'm not conscious of anything I've probably have done, but, most of the fonts (KDE-programs, xchat, sylpheed,...) are very small now, and OpenOffice.org has huge fonts (user interface). What could be the cause for this?
[02:28] <david_> salut a tous
[02:28] <obsethryl> flaccid: debian has good QA, so does centos/redhat
[02:28] <obsethryl> i cannot say which has what in which best of ways since it would be impartial
[02:28] <giaso> von: graphics tablet, you can safely remove it if you don't have any
[02:28] <giaso> von: and remove wacom packages too
[02:29] <obsethryl> i am only peeping into this (k)ubuntu thing and trying to figure out if it is worth a switch or something
[02:29] <von> giaso : I did it but X wasn't working anymore
[02:29] <senser> ] -[i
[02:29] <flaccid> obsethryl: yes and you just need to remember that kubuntu shares the same repos as all the other ubuntus........
[02:29] <icecruncher> another quick question, is there a program very simmilar to mx dreamweaver, if not, what is the closest?
[02:29] <roadfish> von/giaso: I'm getting this "BadDevice" error too. I too tried removing those wacom lines and KDE wouldn't restart. I don't have a tablet.
[02:29] <flaccid> !baddevice > roadfish
[02:29] <senser> anyone has solution for freezing usb mouse on a laptop ??
[02:30] <giaso> von: is thery any other input device except for wacom, you need at least a mouse
[02:30] <obsethryl> icecruncher: nvu or you could also  try aptana as a plugin for eclipse. quanta+ is another good choice but a bit far from dreamweaver style
[02:30] <TooMuchBeer> icecruncher: Quanta Plus, Bluefish are good web editors.  I've not used Dreamweaver but those two cover most common needs
[02:30] <von> giaso : sure i ve mouse and keyboard
[02:30] <icecruncher> k
[02:30] <icecruncher> thanks
[02:30] <giaso> von: in xorg.conf i mean
[02:30] <von> giaso : me too
[02:30] <senser> anyone has solution for freezing usb mouse on a laptop ??
[02:31] <MuJ> try starting with irqpoll kernel option?
[02:31] <senser> Muj - me ??
[02:31] <roadfish> von: did you check this?
[02:31] <roadfish> !baddevice > von
[02:31] <MuJ> senser: yes, you
[02:31] <giaso> von: you should debug xorg log to see why it doesn't work without wacom config
[02:31] <senser> what irqpoll does ???
[02:31] <MuJ> senser: at least I need that to my usb devices to work, dunno why :|
[02:32] <giaso> von: and look for lines starting containig error string 'EE'
[02:32] <jrh3k5> Aaaaaargh.
[02:32] <von> giaso : what's the name of the x log file
[02:32] <jrh3k5> Upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 to 7.04 has broken my sound.
[02:33] <flaccid> markelhas: i can't see any problems. does it keep logging as its doing 9*% cpu ?
[02:33] <von> roadfish : not yet thx!
[02:33] <giaso> von: /var/log/Xorg*
[02:33] <markelhas> flaccid: every time that i start any app
[02:34] <giaso> have to go now, bye all
[02:34] <von> giaso : thx I'll try and come back later
[02:34] <Alarm> hello, is there any application to keep a small database of my dvd and cd disks ?
[02:35] <jrh3k5> Does anyone have a link to a good repository of possible solutions to Kubuntu 7.04 killing my sound when it worked fine under 6.10?
[02:36] <MuJ> Alarm: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=12426
[02:36] <Alarm> okie
[02:37] <MuJ> there might be others on the kde-apps.org so have a look :)
[02:37] <flaccid> markelhas: was that in the log you pasted?
[02:37] <markelhas> flaccid: i can see it in a console with top
[02:37] <Kubuntu> How do you install American Army with apt-get install?
[02:38] <flaccid> im talking about the log
[02:38] <flaccid> not cpu usage
[02:38] <Alarm> and now a difficult question. i did something (i cant remember what, or if my system did that on its own) . and instead of having one entrty in the kmenu list of "System Settings" , System Settings is now a category in the menu list and look and feel , personal and such things that are as icons in the System settings, are now as menus also in the kmenu . how can i change that
[02:38] <Kubuntu> And where can I find NVIDA drivers?
[02:38] <markelhas> flaccid: not in the log
[02:38] <flaccid> markelhas: i can't help any further
[02:38] <roadfish> von: out of curiosity, do you have a touchpad on your keyboard? I have something called the "Cirque Input Center" but I haven't attached the touchpad.
[02:38] <flaccid> !nvidia > Kubuntu
[02:38] <markelhas> flaccid: ok thnks :(
[02:39] <verduz> Where are the hosts.allow and hosts.deny in Kubuntu Feisty? I couldn't find them in /etc/
[02:40] <crimsun> verduz: they're not created by default. If you want one/both, create it/them.
[02:41] <verduz> crimsun: how do i create them? I have to simply create a text file with that name and the options i want?
[02:42] <peer> I'm in the process of upgrading to feisty which is almost done. but now it wants to remove mozilla-mail which I'm using. What now?
[02:42] <Alarm> and now a difficult question. i did something (i cant remember what, or if my system did that on its own) . and instead of having one entrty in the kmenu list of "System Settings" , System Settings is now a category in the menu list and look and feel , personal and such things that are as icons in the System settings, are now as menus also in the kmenu . how can i change that
[02:44] <crimsun> verduz: yes, just follow standard hosts.{allow,deny} syntax
[02:44] <peer> i wonder if i can safely have mozilla-mail removed without losing my mails, addressbook etc., but also what program to use then. can i reinstall mozilla-mail later? i'm a bit lost
[02:45] <velle> Hi. I have a problem with all my video display apps (VLC and Kaffeine). It used to work, but now (I am not sure when it started) my computer totally crashes (The monitor starts turning on and off, and I cant even use ctrl alt delete) immediately when I try to play any kind of movie.
[02:45] <dennister> ppl, i realize this may be slightly off-topic, but I'm looking for some advice on adsl modems
[02:47] <Kubuntu> How do I install the NVIDA drivers, not for ubuntu (that guide asks me to use programs I don't have)?
[02:48] <dennister> my provider was only selling ovislink modems 3 months ago, and my connection inexplicably just stops working pretty well everyday...now they're selling speedtouch modems too, but I don't know that throwing another $100 on a modem will improve anything if the line is the problem
[02:48] <Alarm> whast the command that calls the "System Settings" window
[02:48] <flaccid> thats how you do it Kubuntu substituting the programs with kde ones
[02:48] <aldin> how to resize image.png to image.png (128x128) over console
[02:48] <mcgregor> hello dudes
[02:48] <dennister> the line provider is saying it was "a crappy connection" from the start
[02:49] <Kubuntu> But the thing in the control panel isn't there, I have chosen witvh card I have, but the driver is still nv.
[02:49] <mcgregor> i have a problem with running ktorrent
[02:49] <mcgregor> can someone help me?
[02:49] <flaccid> Kubuntu: edit xorg.conf manually and change it
[02:49] <Kubuntu> I also have a problem with ktorrent, it crashes
[02:49] <dennister> so do i...ever since the last update
[02:49] <Kubuntu> Is the driver already on my computer?
[02:50] <mcgregor> i don't what happened
[02:50] <mcgregor> i don't know what happened
[02:50] <LotusLantern> hi, I installed Kubuntu, but now I dont the root-password. What can I do?
[02:50] <mcgregor> but after a few week when it was running great
[02:50] <dennister> i mean, I hate going back to the hated rogers cable for my connection, what with their traffic-shaping, but at least it was reliable
[02:50] <mcgregor> it crashed
[02:51] <Kubuntu> Is all the NVIDA drivers installed with feisty?
[02:51] <flaccid> no
[02:51] <flaccid> thats why you have to d/l
[02:51] <dennister> my downloads are just sooooooo much faster without rogers (they're now shaping ALL encrypted traffic, too)
[02:51] <flaccid> im off i've had enough tonight. cyas later
[02:51] <Kubuntu> d/l?
[02:51] <mcquaid> hello, i have a nvidia card that doesn't have hardware overall so no brightness,contrast adjustments when using xv for playback
[02:52] <mcquaid> with mplayer opengl playback fixes this
[02:52] <mcquaid> since i've switched to kde, i've been using kaffeine, which allows the selection of opengl for playback
[02:52] <mcquaid> but brightness/contrast sliders still have no effect
[02:52] <mcquaid> is there a reason/workaround for this?
[02:53] <mcquaid> err hardware overlay i mean
[02:53] <mcgregor> is there anyone from romania out there?
[02:54] <von> roadfish : Thx for the links it works for me!!!!!!
[02:55] <roadfish> von: works for me to ... actually, thank flaccid who gave the tip
[02:55] <Kubuntu> Where do I get the nvida drivers?
[02:55] <Timsen> on the nvidia web page
[02:56] <Kubuntu> No easyer way?
[02:57] <verduz> crimsum: I have created a hosts.deny file. I used kate in root mode and make a hosts.deny file containing "# /etc/hosts.deny" (without quotes) and in the line below "ALL:ALL" (without quotes). Have i make the right procedure?
[02:57] <Kubuntu> gime a nice fps, pliiiiiiiiiz!
[02:58] <roadfish> I'm having a screen refresh problem. Often in KPanel or in emacs-snapshot-gtk, extra junk from before-the-refresh is still being displayed.
[02:58] <roadfish> how can I fix this screen refresh problem?
[02:58] <Kubuntu> New screen?
[02:58] <Kubuntu> Is there any good fps in kubuntu?
[02:59] <Kubuntu> for*
[02:59] <SkyblastAtWork> Kubuntu: Tremulous maybe
[03:00] <TooMuchBeer> Kubuntu: some of the windows ones work too.  I have both Doom III and Return To Castle Wolfenstein working under Linux binaries
[03:00] <Kubuntu> sudo apt-get install tremulous?
[03:01] <SkyblastAtWork> Think so, it is in the repos
[03:01] <verduz> crimsun: with the same procedure, i created an host.allow files containing "#/etc/hosts.allow", "#Allow localhost", "ALL : 127.0.0.1". Was that right?
[03:02] <_4strO> !package
[03:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about package - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:02] <crimsun> verduz: that's the default (with the absence of /etc/hosts.allow)
[03:03] <dennister> have the repos and servers calmed down after the rush post-19th? has anyone used the kvm yet?
[03:03] <verduz> crimsum: ok, thanks
[03:03] <TooMuchBeer> dennister: repos, and servers yes.  kvm, not yet
[03:05] <hans_> what is kvm now?
[03:05] <dennister> thx TooMuchBeer; I'm really wondering how the kvm will work...quite the idea to be able to install winblows from within Linux
[03:05] <Alarm> and now a difficult question. i did something (i cant remember what, or if my system did that on its own) . and instead of having one entrty in the kmenu list of "System Settings" , System Settings is now a category in the menu list and look and feel , personal and such things that are as icons in the System settings, are now as menus also in the kmenu . how can i change that
[03:05] <dennister> hans_: kernel virtual manager
[03:05] <dennister> unfortunately i can't complete my migration 100%; I still need win sometimes
[03:05] <TooMuchBeer> dennister: why would you want to break Linux like that ;-P
[03:06] <dennister> for one thing: all the Canadian government sites won't work with Mozilla 2...only mozilla 1 with redhat and suse
[03:06] <guglielf> hi, i need to install kdar but i can't find it in feisty rep...any idea?
[03:06] <TooMuchBeer> dennister: lobby your local representative. Get better adoption of standards!
[03:07] <dennister> so i had to use internet explorer...ewwwwwwwwww
[03:07] <TooMuchBeer> dennister: (or use IEs4Linux to use IE under Linux)
[03:07] <richardh_> anyone have any idea what why I can't suspend KDE because of the usb_storage module?
[03:07] <TooMuchBeer> I have IE on my Kubuntu Laptop for web testing
[03:08] <TooMuchBeer> richardh_: I suspect its related to mounting/unmounting devices "safely"
[03:08] <hans_> Laptops and kubuntu arrgh
[03:08] <dennister> TooMuchBeer: I'd have to lobby no less than 3 representatives for the 3 levels of government...and I already told the provincial people about the problems
[03:09] <TooMuchBeer> hans_: this laptop has had Ubuntu/Kubuntu since the day I bought it, and never any problems - one day I must remember to sedn the Windows CDs back to the manufacturer for a refund :D
[03:09] <roadfish> dennister: sometimes you can get sites working with Mozilla if Mozilla identifies itself as Internet Explorer.
[03:10] <dennister> sorry, i should be more accurate: the sites work with Mozilla 2/Kubuntu; it's certain web tools on these sites, like revenue canada's epass/netfiling of taxes that don't
[03:10] <Eruantalon_> TooMuchBeer: Well mine is an edgy gone feisty and won't hibernate, suspend, use camera or even boot the feisty cd
[03:10] <dennister> roadfish: i'll have to try that
[03:10] <Eruantalon_> I was just about to file a bug report
[03:10] <richardh_> toomuchbeer: but the error message keeps appearing even after I've unmounted any usb device...
[03:10] <TooMuchBeer> dennister: hmm, are they Java/JavaScript/Flash apps?
[03:11] <nick_> #ubuntu-it
[03:11] <TooMuchBeer> richardh_: what's the device and what's the error?
[03:11] <dennister> probably...i'd have to check, and to check i'd have to go into the winblows drive
[03:12] <Eruantalon_> Bugreporting just seems pointless in Ubuntu/Kubuntu. If you use the stable version you won't get the update for 6 months and if you use unstable your system is supposedly unstable and bugs are "allowed" to appear
[03:13] <TooMuchBeer> Eruantalon_: we report bugs for the Karma ;-)
[03:13] <Eruantalon_> :-)
[03:13] <dennister> governments don't listen to techies' or citizens' complaints anyway...we've got a really nasty bunch in Ottawa now...very vindictive...are about to vote on a really horrible pro-DRM revision of the copyright laws
[03:14] <LotusLantern> hi, I installed Kubuntu, but now I dont the root-password. What can I do?
[03:14] <dennister> in the pockets of all the big ISP/media companies...harpers' conservatives make me want to puke
[03:14] <TooMuchBeer> dennister: I know the ones you mean, some female politician in the payroll of the media companies.
[03:14] <TooMuchBeer> LotusLantern: you don't need it. Anything you need to run as root, just put "sudo" in front of it and use your user password
[03:14] <dennister> yes, her and others who'll have big input into the pro-drm laws
[03:16] <darx> where can i disable the annoying sounds of kde?
[03:16] <dennister> my old representative, in the area where I use to live, was the ndp leader, jack layton, and he alerted me to freeware for netfiling taxes: studio tax is great!
[03:16] <dennister> now i don't have to pay $40 every year to the likes of quicktax, ufile, cantax... :)
[03:16] <TooMuchBeer> dennister: I want freeware for *avoiding* taxes ;-)
[03:16] <acemo> how do i remove the full screen logo at boot?
[03:16] <jhutchins> !sudo
[03:16] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[03:16] <jhutchins> !kdesu
[03:16] <ubotu> In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[03:16] <dennister> very cute TooMuchBeer
[03:17] <mart81> why is the svn server so freak'n slllllllow...
[03:17] <dennister> for all Canadians: StudioTax rocks!
[03:17] <Eruantalon_> If my laptop won't boot with kubuntu feisty cd and I've tried noapic nolapic and acpi=off to no avail. My next step should be...?
[03:18] <TooMuchBeer> Eruantalon_: does it get stuck at the same place every time?
[03:18] <acemo> how do i remove the full screen logo at boot?
[03:18] <darx> how can i disable sound notifications in kde.. i cant seem to find it?
[03:18] <TooMuchBeer> !bootsplash
[03:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bootsplash - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:18] <TooMuchBeer> !usplash
[03:18] <ubotu> To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork
[03:18] <Mena> fiesty installation was very long bit i wait and its installed correctly
[03:18] <Mena> with me
[03:18] <Mena> but*
[03:19] <TooMuchBeer> acemo: it's in that link above somewhere I think
[03:19] <dennister> darx: type in "kcontrol" into a terminal, you'll find it there
[03:19] <roadfish> dennister: it works in Linux?
[03:19] <LotusLantern> TooMuchBeer: Thank you
[03:20] <dennister> roadfish: sorry, StudioTax is windows, but like i said, you can't netfile anyway with kubuntu and mozilla 2
[03:20] <LotusLantern> TooMuchBeer: but still I would like to know how to do that
[03:20] <Mena> i hav a prblem here that i added the a repo for wine .9.35 and now i wont to change it to .9.33 bec it has a bug with an app so how can i do this
[03:20] <darx> dennister: it doesn't seem to stick.. i diabled all sounds from notifications
[03:20] <dennister> and that has nothinig to do with the tax software, it's the government application on their sites
[03:21] <dennister> darx...yes, i had the same problem of it "not sticking" but I forget how i solved it...u may have to do it individually with each app
[03:22] <Eruantalon_> TooMuchBeer: It gets stuck when I hit enter it manages to write "loading" but thats it. Expect sometimes it get to 74% loading linux kernel. And sometimes around 30%. But for the most time just the loading textg
[03:22] <darx> dennister: hmm... thanks anyway
[03:22] <darx> mute
[03:22] <dennister> sorry...wish i could remember better
[03:22] <TooMuchBeer> Eruantalon_: just a thought - did you try installing from an Edgy CD, then doing a dist-upgrade afterwatds?
[03:22] <TooMuchBeer> might be a workaround for now ;)
[03:23] <dennister> that's a good idea TooMuchBeer
[03:23] <dennister> i need some advice on modems :(
[03:23] <darx> hhhhhhh
[03:24] <dennister> i meant boradband modems :)
[03:24] <dennister> i haven't used dialup in about 7 years
[03:24] <TooMuchBeer> ;)
[03:24] <dennister> stop it!
[03:24] <dennister> :)
[03:24] <TooMuchBeer> lol
[03:24] <Eruantalon_> TooMuchBeer: Yes. Thats how I am running fesity now. But it's crap. Way to many things doesn't work. So I thought about doing a clean install might result in a working system
[03:25] <TooMuchBeer> its a shame there's not a "net install" CD like Debian, its parent, does things
[03:25] <dennister> i have a adsl modem/router...less than 3 months old, and it cuts out on me for no reason every day
[03:25] <TooMuchBeer> dennister: sure its not an ISP or telco problem?
[03:26] <darx> someone change the topic back.. i accidently changed it i guess.. did i?
[03:26] <darx> :o
[03:26] <dennister> i've been trying to determine that...my current isp (a wholesaler for teksavvy) says my connection has been crappy from the start, but other customers have also been complainig
[03:27] <TooMuchBeer> more ADSL microfilters?
[03:27] <dennister> and teksavvy (very well-respected independent) says it could be the bell lines
[03:27] <LotusLantern> I have problems with the Wireless Internet. I can see several Hotspots in the list, and if I want to connect to one Kubuntu tries it but then it is still not connected
[03:27] <TooMuchBeer> LotusLantern: you using KNetworkManager?
[03:28] <dennister> either it's the line, and the only alternative is going back to rogers cable...what with their terrible traffic-shjaping of ALL encrytpted traffic...or spending another $100 to try another adsl modem with teksavvy/my isp
[03:28] <Eruantalon_> TooMuchBeer: So I should now file a bug? at: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug right?
[03:29] <TooMuchBeer> Eruantalon_: it probably won't hurt - make sure you include as much info about your hardware setup as you can to help the guys out :)_
[03:29] <danny500> #mplayer
[03:29] <LotusLantern> TooMuchBeer: Yes we use that.
[03:29] <dennister> i'm really quite ticked off that this modem is less than 3 months old, and if it is the modem/router, i can't get a refund of any kind, either
[03:30] <Eruantalon_> TooMuchBeer: Ok. Will do that.
[03:30] <TooMuchBeer> LotusLantern: I've found it can be a bit unreleiable.  I use command line to connect when it fails - sudo iwconfig eth1 essid TheESSIDYouWant followed by sudo dhclient eth1
[03:30] <TooMuchBeer> LotusLantern: replace eth1 with your network card name
[03:31] <dennister> TooMuchBeer: were you talking to me in regard to "more adsl microfilters"? if so, what do u mean by that?
[03:32] <Alarm> why when i copy files from the ntfs partition on my ext3 the trasnfer rate is really slow. something like 3-10mb/s ?
[03:32] <TooMuchBeer> dennister: if you have a standard copper wire phone system and ADSL as your broadband, try putting ADSL microfilter devices in front of every phone/modem device to filter out analogue noise
[03:33] <BadRabbit320> ow do I set auto-identify in Konversation?
[03:33] <dennister> TooMuchBeer: it's a dry loop copper line :) no Ma Hell for me thx
[03:33] <mlocker> Hi
[03:33] <Lopi> hi
[03:34] <mlocker> I wanna help
[03:34] <TooMuchBeer> dennister: all ADSL advice based on UK phone system ;-)
[03:34] <TooMuchBeer> mlocker: wait for someone to ask a question you know the answer to, and dive right in :)
[03:34] <aaroncampbell> Will there be version upgrades for software packages in Feisty soon?  I'm suffering from VERY regular crashes in ktorrent that can be fixed by upgrading to 2.1.4, I know that Thunderbird 2 is out, and I'd like to have that, and it also seems that digiKam needs some libraries updated (as per another bug I have)
[03:34] <mlocker> i will add program to startup in Kubuntu
[03:34] <richardh_> toomuchbeer: the error is "suspend2ram failed to unload usb_storage", but there's no device attached anymore
[03:34] <dennister> hahah...if anyone is looking to try VOIP, I actually found a really good provider in BC...i'm quite impressed with their prices and customer service
[03:35] <test> How I enablle nvidea propritary driver in Kubuntu?
[03:35] <TooMuchBeer> richardh_: try sudo rmmod usb_storage beofre suspending as a manual workaround?
[03:35] <Eruantalon_> test: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[03:35] <Eruantalon_> !nvidia
[03:35] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:36] <Lopi> when i try to open txt file i see information with text: "could not finde mime type aplication-octet stream", And the txt file dont remember configuration of type file and aplication to open it...why? and how i can repair it?
[03:36] <test> Eruantalon there is a option in uuntu does thiis noot exisssst in Kubuntu?
[03:36] <dennister> lol...that's the way to stick it to the corporate welfare bums :)
[03:37] <Eruantalon_> test: what do you mean?
[03:37] <Eruantalon_> TooMuchBeer: Is there a certain package that I should file the bug under?
[03:37] <test> In ubuntu feisty there is a option to click to enable nvidea driver, there is not one in Kubuntu feisty
[03:38] <Eruantalon_> test: No we're behind
[03:38] <TooMuchBeer> Eruantalon_: sorry, I'm not entirely sure on that one.
[03:38] <Eruantalon_> TooMuchBeer: It is going to be "I don't know" then
[03:38] <TooMuchBeer> :)
[03:38] <habeeb> Can you enable the desktop effects like in Ubuntu in Kubuntu?
[03:39] <dennister> Eruantalon_: when will kubuntu get caught up with that? do u know?
[03:39] <TooMuchBeer> habeeb: yes
[03:39] <Eruantalon_> dennister: Nope. Usually they are about 1-2 versions behind...
[03:39] <habeeb> TooMuchBeer: and what happens if I have an ATI card? (9600XT) (Always buggy in Linux)
[03:40] <dennister> hmmm...i usually recommend to new users that they try kubuntu instead of ubuntu cause they'll be more familiar with the winblows-like organization of kubuntu
[03:40] <TooMuchBeer> habeeb: not sure, only ever used nvidia, but the core Compiz/Beryl/AIGLX stuff shoudl work fine under Kubuntu as much as it does Ubuntu
[03:40] <TooMuchBeer> brb, boss
[03:41] <habeeb> TooMuchBeer: I'm not using Ubuntu anyway.. - ok
[03:41] <habeeb> So I don't know if my card would work in Ubuntu
[03:41] <jussi01> habeeb: just download the live cd...
[03:42] <dennister> of course i haven't done my feisty upgrade yet...am trying to decide whether to do a clean install and clean everything out here while I'm at it, or try the edgy-upgrade method
[03:42] <habeeb> Smart :o
[03:42] <habeeb> I forgot there were live cds arround :P
[03:43] <Daisuke_Ido> ATI = eeeeevil
[03:43] <jussi01> dennister: Id reccomend the clean install... my personal choice..
[03:43] <habeeb> Thanks for the news :P
[03:43] <dennister> Daisuke_Ido: ur sooooooo right :)
[03:43] <jussi01> habeeb: np's
[03:43] <Daisuke_Ido> BUT!  it can be done
[03:44] <Daisuke_Ido> i just...  have no idea how
[03:44] <dennister> jussi01: yes, that's usually my preference...clean installs usually work better
[03:44] <Daisuke_Ido> working on a clean feisty install here, and upgraded the lappy from edgy to feisty
[03:44] <Daisuke_Ido> both seem to be rock solid
[03:44] <jussi01> dennister: they do. and it forces you to back up that stuff youve been meaning to back up for months....
[03:44] <habeeb> Ehm this post: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2505909#4 makes me sceptical... Isn't Feisty supposed to automaticaly download your drivers and set them up? Why is he talking about "choises"?
[03:45] <dennister> it just takes so friggin long with my system...i'm a mythtv user...yes, i've actually been backing up and moving stuff for days already...while the repos and servers were so crazy
[03:46] <richardh_> toomuchbeer: oh, right, I'll try that, thanks
[03:46] <dennister> i don't know how to export all my mail from kmail, tho :( exporting seems to only work for the contacts
[03:47] <Eruantalon_> Ironic how The kubntu device database chrashes while I am reporting that my hardware is detected badly
[03:48] <dennister> anyone know where all the sent mail and incoming mail is stored in kmail?
[03:49] <Lopi> somebody can help me?
[03:49] <dennister> i actually better do this upgrade before i go back to the hated rogers as my isp :(
[03:54] <roadfish> I'm getting incomplete refreshes in some apps (like emacs and KPanel). In KPanel, the bad refresh looks like: http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/2858/badrefreshux5.png
[03:54] <roadfish> what could be causing this bad refresh?
[03:56] <M_Fatih> hi
[03:56] <NetersLandreau> hello all.. i want to install the mstt core fonts.. what source is that listed on?
[03:57] <rohan> on shutting down in kubuntu from the livecd, the CD is ejected and "Press ENTER to continue" appears, but pressing enter does nothing. i need to shut down by holding down the power button ..
[03:57] <rohan> known bug ? any workarounds /
[03:57] <dennister> never mind...i found it
[03:57] <Eruantalon_> Then my bug is reported: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/109962 Go ahead and tell my why it is all my fault anyway :-)
[03:57] <malik__> i accidently deleted a pic which i was lookat in Kview....i cant find it in trash bin......how do i retrieve that?
[03:58] <rohan> NetersLandreau: just do "sudo aptitude install msttcorefonts" in terminal
[03:58] <M_Fatih> my ssh broken, only ssh, error before connection "Segmentation fault (core dumped)"
[04:01] <roadfish> actually, I've learned that I'm using the wrong term. I have a redraw or repaint problem ... not a screen refresh problem. The problem is illustrated in the imageshack URL above.
[04:02] <NetersLandreau> rohan: when i do that i get the message is not available but is reffered by another package so it is only available from another source
[04:03] <dennister> bye for now folks
[04:04] <malik__> i accidently deleted a pic which i was lookat in Kview....i cant find it in trash bin......how do i retrieve that?
[04:04] <NetersLandreau> is there a place to paste code here?
[04:04] <brzeszczot> hello
[04:05] <brzeszczot> i had a little problem with beryl :)
[04:05] <brzeszczot> scaling window by top right corner doesn't work - maybe someone know this problem :] 
[04:06] <sjpatrick> Are there firefox 2.0 packages available for pre-7.04 Kubuntu?
[04:06] <malik__> !pastebin | NetersLandreau
[04:06] <ubotu> NetersLandreau: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[04:07] <malik__> i accidently deleted a pic which i was lookat in Kview....i cant find it in trash bin......how do i retrieve that? any help plzzz?
[04:08] <rohan> NetersLandreau: please paste your sources.list somewheree
[04:08] <rohan> NetersLandreau: /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:10] <NetersLandreau> rohan: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17612/
[04:10] <dusty-work> Hey guys, I am having problems getting beryl to work correctly.  When I am in X (KDE/Kubuntu) I type beryl-manager, it starts then goes to a bright white screen and nothing much happens.  I folloed a tutorial on howtoforge and the only thing I didn't have was Direct Rendering Switched on (No instead of Yes).. any ideas what could be causing this, also how do I switch direct rendering on?
[04:11] <rohan> the amarok in ubuntu had some way of installing mp3 codecs right ? here it is giving me a demux error when trying to play an mp3 file in amarok
[04:12] <rohan> NetersLandreau: oh, you are using edgy and not feist ?
[04:12] <TuTuFF> trying to get an ipw3945 working on Edgy .. shouldnt I be able to see the required modules in synaptic?
[04:13] <NetersLandreau> rohan: i had a severe problem with fiesty and had to downgrade yesterday.. that is when i lost my corefonts
[04:14] <Lopi> my kubuntu dont remember the configuration of type and deycatet aplication of txt type files...how can i repair it?
[04:17] <rohan> NetersLandreau: oh. apt doesn't really support downgrading. did you downgrade from feisty to edgy using apt, or reinstalled edgy using the cd ?
[04:18] <NetersLandreau> rohan: reinstalled edgy from cd
[04:19] <rohan> NetersLandreau: ok. the sources.list appears fine to me :0s
[04:22] <NetersLandreau> rohan: when i tried to go with fiesty, something broke and i was unable to even boot up in single user mode.. did the upgrade thru apt.. decided to try fresh install of fiesty but ran into a lot of problems.. finally said screw it and renstalled edgy.. 10 hours later i was able to have my workstation back
[04:23] <rohan> NetersLandreau: oh .. strange :( no idea
[04:24] <NetersLandreau> rohan: thx for trying to help.. corefonts aren't that big of a deal :)
[04:25] <rohan> np :)
[04:28] <danny500> how do I get rid of the totem plugin for firefox without getting rid of the ubuntu desktop?
[04:28] <canYOUhelp> what can i do if fsck hangs on boot @ 22 %
[04:28] <canYOUhelp> im not even able to enter root recovery shell, because fsck will start there too
[04:29] <M_Fatih> ~ $ ssh sinan@linux.org.tr
[04:29] <M_Fatih> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[04:29] <M_Fatih> ?
[04:29] <canYOUhelp> nve didnt hang, only stayed there for a long time
[04:32] <aurelux> salut
[04:32] <aurelux> des francais?
[04:34] <danny500> aurelu: #kubuntu-fr
[04:34] <CapaH> Why on earth is it that Konversation starts every single time I start Kubuntu/how do I disable this?
[04:35] <danny500> aurelux: #kubuntu-fr
[04:35] <danny500> hey does anyone know how to disable the totem plugin for firefox?
[04:37] <Alarm> which package is needed for the firefox to support java applets ?
[04:37] <Alarm> i got jdk1.6 but somehow firefox still needs a plugin
[04:37] <danny500> Alarm: java
[04:37] <Alarm> well i got jdk1.6 installed
[04:38] <Alarm> alarm@rockpc:~/Applications/cedega-6.0$ java -version
[04:38] <Alarm> java version "1.6.0"
[04:38] <danny500> Alarm: open synaptic, go to the file your trying to install, right click it and go to the menu where it says something like install recommended packages and the one below that to
[04:39] <danny500> it should install everything needed to run what you want
[04:39] <danny500> also install 1.5.0 ok for a backup
[04:39] <CapaH> ... Can anyone tell me how to disable KDE from starting applications upon startup?
[04:40] <Alarm> danny500,  if i knew which packages is needed for firefox to support applets would i be here asking ?
[04:40] <danny500> O_O
[04:40] <jhutchins> CapaH: First, try closing all your applications, then log out and log back in (don't use Ctrl-Alt-Backspace).
[04:40] <danny500> I told you, open synaptic, go to the file your trying to install, right click it and go to the menu where it says something like install recommended packages and the one below that to
[04:40] <jhutchins> !java | Alarm
[04:40] <ubotu> Alarm: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[04:41] <abattoir> CapaH: or... turn off Session Restore in  System Settings->Advanced->Session Manager
[04:41] <Alarm> i got java installed ,  i said i have allready jdk1.6
[04:41] <danny500> CapaH: open your session settings, you can edit your app start up function there
[04:41] <Alarm> i just want firefox to use it
[04:41] <jhutchins> Alarm: I thought it might have something about the pluggins.
[04:41] <ubuntu_> What is the easyest to use c++ complier?
[04:41] <aro> g++
[04:41] <_atidem> ubuntu_: g++
[04:42] <CapaH> thanks
[04:42] <ubuntu_> g++: no input files
[04:42] <danny500> Alarm: also install 1.5.0
[04:42] <ubuntu_> How do I solve that?
[04:42] <Kazade> Hey, If I've converted an Ubuntu Feisty to a Kubuntu Feisty by apt-get installing kubuntu-desktop, how can I remove GNOME completely to leave a clean Kubuntu?
[04:42] <Alarm> danny500,  why to install jdk1.5 ? dont get ur way of thinking
[04:43] <atidem> ubuntu_: g++ -o file file.cpp
[04:43] <ubuntu_> sudo apt-get remove gnome-desktop
[04:43] <jussi01> hei all, general question: can someone explain to me how to get the source out of a srpm? (if its possible?)
[04:43] <danny500> Alarm: thats so if 1.6.0 isn't compatible with what your trying to do
[04:43] <danny500> 1.6.0 is pretty new
[04:43] <ubuntu_> Didn't wrok
[04:43] <ubuntu_> g++: file.cpp: No such file or directory
[04:43] <ubuntu_> g++: no input files
[04:43] <jussi01> ubuntu_: that just removes the meta package
[04:43] <atidem> jussi01: with alien
[04:43] <ubuntu_> ok
[04:44] <ubuntu_> What is wrong with g++?
[04:44] <aro> ubuntu: you need to read up on how to compile things, try google searching for basic g++ use
[04:44] <aro> ubuntu: you don't literally type "file.cpp"
[04:44] <aro> ubuntu: you type whatever file you have on your computer that you're trying to compile
[04:44] <ubuntu_> So I have to make a file first?
[04:44] <jussi01> ubuntu_: try installing build-essential
[04:44] <aro> ubuntu: you can't compile from absolutely nothing, so yes you need a file
[04:45] <jussi01> atidem: are you sure? I thought alien just did rpm - deb?
[04:46] <jhutchins> !build | ubuntu_
[04:46] <ubotu> ubuntu_: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[04:46] <Kazade> nobody know how to remove GNOME? should I just go through removing stuff like gedit, rhythmbox etc. one at a time?
[04:46] <jhutchins> ubuntu_: That should get you started, but if you're trying to install software you should start by staying within the available packages.
[04:46] <atidem> jussi01: yes, you install deb package and then will use source
[04:46] <jhutchins> Kazade: Why?
[04:46] <TooMuchBeer> Kazade: sudo aptitude remove gnome-desktop ?
[04:46] <Kazade> nah that just removes the meta-package
[04:47] <jussi01> atidem: I want to get the sources out of an srpm  - I dont actually want to install the thing
[04:47] <jhutchins> Kazade: Need disk space or just offended by the waste?
[04:47] <Kazade> I'm introducing someone to Kubuntu from WIndows, and I accidently downloaded the Ubuntu iso.... I just wanted a clean, consistant Kubuntu desktop to get her started
[04:48] <TooMuchBeer> Kazade: see http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[04:48] <atidem> jussi01: it's the only method that I know to use source files from an srpm
[04:48] <Kazade> TooMuchBeer: you're a genius, thanks!
[04:48] <TooMuchBeer> ;)
[04:48] <TooMuchBeer> replace "purekde" with "puregnome" to do other way round :)
[04:49] <jhutchins> TooMuchBeer: You realize that you don't exist, right?
[04:49] <TooMuchBeer> lol
[04:49] <jhutchins> There's no such thing as TooMuchBeer.
[04:49] <Alarm> any good application to create a database of my cd/dvd ?
[04:49] <TooMuchBeer> jhutchins: as in "I've had...TooMuchBeer to be at work this afternoon and stil be useful"
[04:50] <jhutchins> TooMuchBeer: Get your priorities straight man!
[04:50] <TooMuchBeer> jhutchins: getting my *vision* straight would be a good start
[04:51] <Lord_Maynoth_42> anyone here know anything about xorg.conf and how to edit it correctly... I cannot get my screen to the correct resolution
[04:52] <jhutchins> Lord_Maynoth_42: Well, xorg.conf only offers available resolutions, it does not usually control which one is selected.
[04:53] <jhutchins> Lord_Maynoth_42: It's usually easier to control that with the GUI configuration tools.
[04:53] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I can't get it to display anything higher than 1024x768
[04:54] <imagine> how do I add a NFS fs on kubuntun?
[04:55] <jhutchins> Lord_Maynoth_42: In what environment have you gotten it to do better?
[04:55] <Lord_Maynoth_42> windows
[04:55] <Lord_Maynoth_42> :D
[04:55] <jhutchins> imagine: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo
[04:55] <jhutchins> Lord_Maynoth_42: I'd say you need to look at things like refresh rate and memory settings in Windows, see if you can transfer them to Linux.
[04:56] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I tried with xorg edit
[04:56] <Lord_Maynoth_42> but they still don't show up
[04:56] <Lord_Maynoth_42> as options
[04:56] <jhutchins> Lord_Maynoth_42: Unfortunately, many of the graphics card manufacturers do not supply Linux drivers, or supply drivers that don't work as well.
[04:57] <jager> i don't have a master audio channel for some reason
[04:57] <jager> hm
[04:57] <jhutchins> Lord_Maynoth_42: kill kdm and start X using startx, and/or look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log, see what it thinks it's doing.
[04:57] <Lord_Maynoth_42> should I install the latest ATI driver?
[04:57] <jhutchins> Lord_Maynoth_42: Worth a try if your card is supported by it.
[04:58] <Lord_Maynoth_42> do you know what version of the driver is in the repo's?
[04:58] <jhutchins> No.
[04:59] <jhutchins> Lord_Maynoth_42: You can query apt to see what it is.
[04:59] <imagine> and my audio card doesn't work I'm running a laptop with an intel chipset... I never had a problem with my sound.. I don't really understand where to look at
[05:00] <TooMuchBeer> imagine: check it detects the hardware using lspci maybe?
[05:00] <jhutchins> Lord_Maynoth_42: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto
[05:00] <bobdhicks> I'm trying to install a program following directions.  I have been using linux less than a month. When I do "python setup.py install" I get the following: "error: could not create 'build/scripts-2.5': Permission denied" Obviously a permission problem but I don't know how or where to change permissions.
[05:01] <TooMuchBeer> bobdhicks: try putting "sudo" in front of that command maybe?
[05:01] <jhutchins> bobdhicks: try sudo python setup.py install
[05:01] <imagine> TooMuchBeer: it is detected..
[05:02] <TooMuchBeer> imagine: you checked all the various sliders in Kmix to ensure nothing is muted?
[05:03] <imagine> TooMuchBeer: I have.. there's only 1 slider in the output..
[05:03] <Alarm> i installed the java jdk1.6 . but for some reason firefox was telling me that the plugin was not installed . so i installed also sun-java6-plugin , and when i did a java -version i saw: java version "1.4.2-02" . removed everything about java, and installed jdk 1.6 again, but somehow the 1.4.2 remeined in my system
[05:03] <bobdhicks> Thanks all. That worked. Forget basics.
[05:03] <Alarm> how can i fix that. to have again java6 on my system and be able to view java applets on firefox
[05:04] <Jucato> Alarm: you need this command: sudo update-alternatives --config java
[05:04] <TooMuchBeer> Alarm: try sun-java-6 without the plugin part?
[05:04] <TooMuchBeer> imagine: not sure then, sorry I can't help more
[05:05] <Alarm> ok did that. now its 1.6 again
[05:05] <Alarm> now lets see about the plugin
[05:05] <imagine> TooMuchBeer: np
[05:05] <Alarm> TooMuchBeer, sun-java-6 what ? this doesnt exist .
[05:05] <Alarm> there is jre, jdk , demo , bin and such things
[05:06] <TooMuchBeer> jre I think
[05:06] <TooMuchBeer> Java runtime Engine
[05:06] <Jucato> sun-java6-jre or sun-java6-bin is what you would need
[05:06] <Jucato> jdk is the development kit
[05:06] <Alarm> Jucato,  i got jdk1.6 installed
[05:07] <Alarm> that includes jre1.6
[05:07] <Jucato> sun-java6-plugin is installed?
[05:08] <Alarm> Jucato,  ok for some reason it works now , although  i got again the same packages isntalled as before. but sun-java6-plugin was the package that caused the "problem"
[05:08] <Alarm> as it installed on my system jre1.4.2
[05:08] <Alarm> really strange. all  i did now was to reinstall jdk1.6 and suddenly firefox can open java applets. weird.
[05:09] <Jucato> you didn't use the command I gave?
[05:09] <Alarm> i did
[05:09] <Alarm> and chose java 1.5
[05:09] <Alarm> 1.6 sorry
[05:09] <Jucato> that fixed it then
[05:09] <Alarm> alarm@rockpc:~/Applications/cedega-6.0$ java -version
[05:09] <Alarm> java version "1.6.0"
[05:09] <Alarm> now everything is ok
[05:10] <Jucato> you really have to manually select the default Java version
[05:10] <Alarm> i just dont get why when i installed sun-java6-plugin , it installed on my system jre1.4.2
[05:11] <Alarm> anyway, thank you for ur help
[05:14] <TooMuchBeer> Alarm: dependency bug on the package maybe?
[05:15] <zoohouse> I was having a little problem with the nvidia driver, so lets see if today it's a diff story :)
[05:16] <_Neil> anyone know how I can use SWAT without being on the root acct?
[05:16] <Hail_Spacecake> anyone willing to help me with some wireless connection problems?
[05:17] <_Neil> any one know? I only have the 4 basic buttons, i think i need to log in as the root account which sucks
[05:17] <_Neil> im the maain user
[05:18] <jussi01> !info swat
[05:18] <ubotu> swat: Samba Web Administration Tool. In component main, is optional. Version 3.0.24-2ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 799 kB, installed size 2180 kB
[05:19] <TooMuchBeer> web based?  surely root vs user wouldn't apply...
[05:19] <kalorin`> weird
[05:20] <kalorin`> for some reason rdesktop isn't working, so I go and look and get nothing, so I pull the source to compile and the ./configure complains that it can't find my install of the openssl libraries
[05:20] <kalorin`> on 6.10
[05:20] <kalorin`> where _SHOULD_ openssl lib's be installed?
[05:20] <kalorin`> !openssl
[05:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about openssl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:20] <Kazade> TooMuchBeer: That GNOME removal thing worked perfectly thanks!
[05:21] <TooMuchBeer> Kazade: Thank the web page author :)
[05:22] <TooMuchBeer> who maintains ubotu?  might be worth adding that one in there....
[05:22] <TooMuchBeer> !ubotu
[05:22] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[05:23] <_Neil> no-one? I can't use SWAT as im not the root user as ubuntu doesnt have one
[05:23] <_Neil> but without being root, i cant see all of the configuration options
[05:23] <TooMuchBeer> _Neil: is it a web based user interface?
[05:23] <_Neil> yeah
[05:23] <TooMuchBeer> root (probably) won't make a difference then
[05:23] <_Neil> you have to log in
[05:23] <_Neil> only as root are all options shown
[05:24] <TooMuchBeer> must be a config issue in SWAT itself then - runnign the browser itself as root won't change a thing
[05:24] <TooMuchBeer> I'm guessing there's an option to set up an "admin" user
[05:25] <TooMuchBeer> or run the SWAT server as root using sudo ?
[05:25] <_Neil> yeah I know :/ dont rlly fancy turning on root in ubuntu either.. feel im missing an easy setting
[05:25] <_Neil> nope it gives you priv's depending on how you are logged in, swat is run as root anyway
[05:25] <Hail_Spacecake> I'm trying to connect to my school's wireless network manually with iwconfig
[05:25] <TooMuchBeer> try gksudo firefox then browsing to your usual SWAT url
[05:25] <Hail_Spacecake> but it won't work
[05:26] <Hail_Spacecake> even on the network with no key
[05:26] <Hail_Spacecake> I can get on the very same network with the same hardware when I boot into windows
[05:26] <Hail_Spacecake> and I can use the same linux conifguration to connect to my home network
[05:26] <Hail_Spacecake> which does have a key
[05:26] <Hail_Spacecake> so I don't know why it's not working at school
[05:27] <Lord_Maynoth_42> can anyone tell me where in my xorg.conf file a modline is supposed to go
[05:27] <TooMuchBeer> Hail_Spacecake: what part isn't working?  any messages?
[05:27] <Hail_Spacecake> no, no message
[05:27] <Hail_Spacecake> s
[05:28] <Hail_Spacecake> i type sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid SESSION
[05:28] <Hail_Spacecake> and when I do iwconfig by itself
[05:28] <Hail_Spacecake> it says there is no access point
[05:28] <Hail_Spacecake> even though iwlist wlan0 scan picks up the network fine
[05:28] <Hail_Spacecake> I'm on the computer in windows now, or I'd post the iwconfig output
[05:28] <Hail_Spacecake> such as it is
[05:29] <TooMuchBeer>  built in wireless or USB?
[05:29] <Hail_Spacecake> built in
[05:29] <Alarm> must there be any plugin for kaffeine to support my tv tuner card ?
[05:29] <Hail_Spacecake> configured with ndiswrapper, but I've got that working fine at home
[05:30] <kalorin`> anyone know anything about libssl?
[05:30] <kalorin`> or open ssl specifically?
[05:30] <TooMuchBeer> Hail_Spacecake: not sure then, sorry
[05:31] <zoohouse> whats nvidia-glx-new for??
[05:34] <M_Fatih> my ssh return segfault?
[05:34] <stdin> zoohouse: Description: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'new' driver. These XFree86 4.x/X.Org binary drivers provide optimized hardware acceleration of OpenGL applications via a direct-rendering X Server and supports the newer GeForce, nForce and Quadro families of NVIDIA chipsets. AGP, TV-out and flat panel displays are also supported.
[05:36] <zoohouse> stdin: thanks
[05:36] <zoohouse> not sure which one to choose... nvidia-glx-new or nvidia-glx...
[05:36] <zoohouse> nvidia-glx isn't working
[05:37] <Jucato> zoohouse: depends on the video card that you have
[05:37] <zoohouse> iv used nvidia-glx in the past with no problem. Now it doesn't want to work...
[05:38] <Jucato> zoohouse: did you remember to install linux-restricted-modules-generic?
[05:38] <stdin> zoohouse: you could try the -new one, if that doesn't work try -legacy
[05:39] <zoohouse> stdin: ok let me give it a try brb
[05:40] <PP188> pessoal.. como fao para desabilitar a montagem da minha particao do windows na inicializacao do ubuntu????
[05:41] <Jucato> zoohouse: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9755/README/appendix-a.html is a list of the 3 groups of supported cards
[05:41] <PP188> sorry[
[05:41] <Jucato> !br | PP188
[05:41] <Jucato> bah :)O
[05:41] <ubotu> PP188: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[05:41] <Jucato> zoohouse: the first group at the top is supported by nvidia-glx-new. the 2nd group is nvidia-glx,and the last group is nvidia-glx-legacy
[05:42] <zoohouse> Jucato: sorry, i didn't see the prio msg because gaim isn't notifing me of new msg (im on a laptop for irc and pc for the nvdia fix)
[05:42] <Jucato> it's ok
[05:42] <zoohouse> Jucato: I didn't insall linux-restricted
[05:42] <zoohouse> can that be the prob?
[05:43] <Jucato> zoohouse: ah yes
[05:43] <zoohouse> wooo
[05:43] <Jucato> linux-restricted-modules-generic (if you're using the -generic kernel)
[05:43] <zoohouse> heh
[05:43] <zoohouse> ok im going to install now
[05:43] <Jucato> after you install that, rerun "sudo nvidia-xconfig"
[05:43] <medvedolos> hello ... could sb please help me? Where can I set ubuntu to keep aliases permanently for every computer start?
[05:43] <stdin> medvedolos: in bash?
[05:43] <Jucato> medvedolos: the .bash_aliases file
[05:44] <Jucato> ~/.bash_aliases (if that's what you meant)
[05:44] <medvedolos> super! :) Thanks a lot
[05:44] <zoohouse> Jucato: the linux-rest-generic is installed
[05:44] <_benjo_> what is the preffered virtualization tool in Kubuntu?  KVM??
[05:44] <zoohouse> it was installed when i checked
[05:45] <stdin> medvedolos: you need to uncomment the section or ~/.bashrc to get bash to read it tho
[05:45] <stdin> s/or/of/
[05:46] <achilles> aloha
[05:46] <achilles> hey need some help
[05:46] <achilles> just update to fiesty
[05:46] <achilles> but dont like the Kmenu with those bloated images
[05:47] <achilles> how can i get rid of these bloated images in Kmenu
[05:47] <jmv> does anyone know in which package to find python documentation in the info format?
[05:47] <achilles> anyone awake
[05:48] <zoohouse> Jucato: would i have to install the kernel source nvidia-kernel-new-source also?
[05:48] <Jucato> zoohouse: hm..no
[05:48] <zoohouse> k
[05:50] <achilles> zoohouse: can you help me
[05:51] <zoohouse> Jucato: when i try to install nvidia-settings with nvidia-glx-new i get this error in adept: "there was an error commiting changes. Possible there was a problem downloading some package or the commit would brake packages."
[05:52] <stdin> zoohouse: try using apt-get to see what the problem is
[05:52] <Jucato> zoohouse: yes. don't install nvidia-settings
[05:52] <zoohouse> ok
[05:52] <Jucato> nvidia-settings and nvidia-glx/nvidia-glx-new are mutually exclusive
[05:53] <zoohouse> Jucato: I noticed that with nvidia-glx
[05:54] <zoohouse> humm did it work??? let me run glxgear brb
[05:55] <zoohouse> didn't work
[05:55] <zoohouse> let me check the xorg.conf to see if the driver is set to nvidia instead of nv
[05:56] <stdin> zoohouse: did you restart the X server after installing/enabling the drivers ?
[05:56] <zoohouse> stdin: ah, thats right.
[05:56] <sstchur> How come, if I start an app, say Firefox, and then close it right immediately, while the little FF icon is still "bouncing", the apps closes but the cursor icon continues to "bounce" for like another 30 seconds?
[05:57] <stdin> sstchur: because that just tells you the app was started, not that it's actually running
[05:58] <sstchur> stdin: what's interesting is that I've noticed several cases where the cursor continues to bounce for what feel like forever, after an app has clearly already started -- other times, it bounces just briefly and then it's done.  what would cause this difference?
[05:58] <stdin> sstchur: not too sure, but the people in #kde would know
[06:00] <llutz> sstchur: it should stop bouncing after an app was successfully started. seems not to work very solid reliably
[06:00] <_benjo_> anybody work with KVM in Kubuntu?
[06:01] <sstchur> llutz: for me, it will always stop eventually, but take Firefox for instance, sometimes it is still bouncing while I'm browsing to web pages!
[06:01] <zoohouse> stdin Jucato: when I sudo nvidia-glx-config enable and restart the x server (ctr+alt backspace). Xserver doesn't load. I type startx and it starts X. Then I try glxgear and I get this error: "Xlib: extention "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". Error: Couldnt get an RGB. Double-buffered visual.
[06:01] <jeffm> HI, all
[06:02] <Jucato> zoohouse: hm... try "sudo nvidia-xconfig" instead
[06:02] <zoohouse> stin jucato: When I check xorg.conf it still has the nv instead of nvidia. I will change to nvidia now
[06:02] <llutz> sstchur: maybe because FF isn't KDE, but as stdin said: #kde should know more
[06:02] <zoohouse> ok im going to try nvidia-xconfig
[06:02] <Jucato> zoohouse: also try "sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)" to double check if you have the correct restricted modules installed
[06:02] <sstchur> llutz: ok... i'm in that channel inquiring now
[06:02] <zoohouse> Jucato: ok
[06:03] <jeffm> Hey, can anyone tell me if it's feasible to have an OpenSSH server running on two different ports simultaneously?  I connect to my home machine via SSH frrequently and my wife would like to do the same, but she's in the hospital and their network appears to be blocking port 22.
[06:04] <zoohouse> Jucato: i already have the newst ver it says
[06:04] <zoohouse> nothing was installed
[06:04] <Jucato> ok
[06:04] <Jucato> how about the sudo nvidia-xconfig command?
[06:04] <zoohouse> Jucato: should l try nvidia-xconfig now?
[06:04] <zoohouse> ok
[06:05] <Jucato> with sudo of course :)
[06:05] <Lynoure> jeffm: yes, just add more ports to the configuration file
[06:06] <llutz> jeffm: /etc/ssh/sshd_config -> define multiple "Port"
[06:06] <jeffm> lynoure: and I should be able to find the configuration file via man or Google?
[06:06] <Lynoure> jeffm: see  man sshd_config
[06:06] <jeffm> llutz: thanks
[06:07] <jeffm> Lynoure: thanks.  I haven't done a lot of manual configuration of these kinds of services.
[06:07] <Lynoure> jeffm: This is a good one to start with :)
[06:07] <zoohouse> Jucato: errors when starting x: Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module has the version 1.0-9631, but X module has the version 1.0-9755. Please make sure that the kernel mod and all the NVIDIA driver componets have the same ver.
[06:07] <Lynoure> jeffm: and I hope you wife gets better soon.
[06:08] <Jucato> hm...
[06:08] <zoohouse> weird right?
[06:08] <Ashex> zoohouse, how did you install nvidia drivers?
[06:08] <jeffm> Lynoure: Yeah, except I'm at work right now.  Thanks for the thought.  She's perfectly healthy -- she's just on bed rest because we're at 26 weeks with triplets and she really needs to take it easy so they can camp out and develop as long as possible.
[06:08] <jeffm> So thanks for the help, all.
[06:09] <zoohouse> This problem started recently. Like I said, like a month ago I didn't have this problem
[06:09] <zoohouse> Ashex: yea i have nvidia-glx-new installed
[06:09] <llutz> zoohouse: purge all nvidia-things and the restricted-modules, after that install them again. worked here
[06:09] <Lynoure> jeffm: :)
[06:09] <JackPhil> sometimes the konsole screen don't refresh completely
[06:09] <Ashex> zoohouse, how though
[06:09] <zoohouse> llutz: how do you purge on kubuntu?
[06:10] <JackPhil> what'w wrong
[06:10] <Ashex> did you download from nvidia, through apt, or automatix?
[06:10] <zoohouse> Ashex: adebt
[06:10] <Ashex> ah, okay
[06:10] <llutz> zoohouse: aptitude purge ..
[06:10] <Ashex> hmm
[06:10] <Ashex> I had this issue awhile back
[06:10] <Ashex> it's usually because you don't have the restricted-modules for your kernel
[06:11] <Ashex> you need to update it to your current running kernel
[06:11] <Ashex> at least, that's the issue i had last time i got that error
[06:12] <ferret_0567> Does anyone know how I can open two copies of the same PDF in different windows inside KPDF?
[06:12] <zoohouse> ferret_0567: two diff tabs?
[06:12] <ferret_0567> No
[06:13] <ferret_0567> two diff windows
[06:13] <ferret_0567> ...unless you can detach tabs
[06:13] <kalorin> FYI, composite and rdesktop 1.4.1 don't get along
[06:13] <kalorin> disable the composite extension and you can use rdesktop
[06:13] <ferret_0567> Oh, was that my problem earlier?
[06:14] <khaije1> just upgraded. Anyone know how i can restore my music ratings in amarok. I've kept the original .kde in a seperate folder ut can't find it
[06:14] <ian__> beryl any good?
[06:14] <kalorin> 1.5.0 is fine with it, but there's no .deb packages for 1.5.0 yet in the 6.10 repository
[06:14] <ferret_0567> I noticed that when I used rdesktop, it would close all of a sudden
[06:14] <ferret_0567> I was using Edgy then
[06:14] <kalorin> oh no this was a deal where it would complain about color depth
[06:14] <kalorin> wouldn't even fire up
[06:15] <ferret_0567> Hmm...did the server kick me off?
[06:15] <Ashex> odd
[06:15] <Ashex> krdc works fine for me when i run beryl
[06:15] <ferret_0567> That was weird...
[06:15] <lovloss> Help me pleaaaaase. I cant get feisty's desktop in any way shape or form to load up. When it starts to load the desktop the screen turns off, and the monitor light goes out. Every time. It did this during installation of the live cd and i had to use a text install, but even now, once i type 'kdm' there goes my monitor. Please please please give me some pointers here. Im using a radeon x700, a 64 bit system, and a SATA HD
[06:15] <ferret_0567> I wasn't using KDE, either
[06:15] <ferret_0567> I was using the Terminal Server Client in Ubuntu
[06:16] <ferret_0567> I also tried using rdesktop directly
[06:16] <Ashex> ah
[06:16] <Ashex> the terminal server client seems to function a little better for me
[06:16] <Ashex> but all krdc does is launch rdesktop with arguments
[06:16] <ferret_0567> So does the GNOME thingy
[06:16] <Ashex> Interesting
[06:17] <ferret_0567> ...
[06:17] <zoohouse> Ashex, Jucato: ok uname -r gives me 2.6.20-15-generic the linux-res-mod package says "For 2.6.20 on x86/x86_64". My CPU is 64bit but Im on Kubuntu for 32bit. Do I have the wrong package? Kubuntu installed that package on its own.
[06:17] <aib> can anyone with logs tell me who said my name? was it a spammer, like usual? :)
[06:17] <ferret_0567> Is there a way to view the same PDF in two windows on KDE?
[06:17] <Ashex> lovloss, have you tried going to an alternate screen and running "startx" ?
[06:18] <aib> ferret_0567, you can install acrobat reader for linux
[06:18] <lovloss> Ashex: what do you mean?
[06:18] <ferret_0567> Why must I install that?
[06:18] <ferret_0567> I had the functionality described using GNOME, in Evince
[06:18] <Ashex> zoohouse, sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-15-generic
[06:18] <ferret_0567> And, with evince-gtk, like Xubuntu uses
[06:19] <ferret_0567> I guess I'll have to use Evince
[06:19] <ferret_0567> This is bad...
[06:19] <zoohouse> ferret_0567: on my system i just click on the PDF twice and it opens in 2 diff kpdf apps
[06:19] <ferret_0567> Oh
[06:19] <ferret_0567> ok
[06:19] <ferret_0567> I'll try that
[06:19] <Ashex> ferret_0567, load two isntances of kpdf
[06:19] <zoohouse> haha
[06:20] <ferret_0567> btw, NuvoX icons are really good!
[06:20] <zoohouse> Ashex: did you get my last msg?
[06:20] <ferret_0567> They come in a .deb fully compatible with Kubuntu, it seems
[06:23] <Ashex> zoohouse, I replied
[06:24] <zoohouse> sorry
[06:24] <ferret_0567> Now it's working!
[06:25] <ferret_0567> Thanks
[06:25] <zoohouse> ferret_0567: all you had to do is click twice?
[06:25] <ferret_0567> No, I'll have to fix my file associations
[06:25] <ferret_0567> I know how to do that, anyway
[06:25] <zoohouse> ah
[06:26] <ferret_0567> More like "Open with... > KPDF" two times
[06:26] <Ashex> hehe
[06:26] <ferret_0567> I like KDE so much, I removed GNOME
[06:26] <Ashex> yeah, it opens inside konq by default
[06:26] <ferret_0567> Yeah, not good
[06:26] <Alarm> what is kio_file ? i see like 10-12 processes that use like 40-50mb
[06:26] <Alarm> ram
[06:26] <ferret_0567> It's amazing how stuff opens inside Konqueror, embedded, like that
[06:27] <ferret_0567> I like the audiocd:/ KIO Slave too
[06:27] <Ashex> such is the beauty of KDE :)
[06:27] <Ashex> All the K apps work together seamlessly
[06:27] <ferret_0567> Yup
[06:28] <ferret_0567> Do you like Yakuake?
[06:28] <ferret_0567> You can get it from universe
[06:28] <Ashex> what is that?
[06:28] <Ashex> !info yakuake
[06:28] <ubotu> yakuake: a Quake-style terminal emulator based on KDE Konsole technology. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.7.5-4ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 73 kB, installed size 512 kB
[06:28] <Ashex> interesting, haven't tried it
[06:28] <ferret_0567> You should
[06:29] <Bryan1> is anyone here able to provide help with settings for Beryl?
[06:29] <ferret_0567> It'll take a little bit of getting used to, to mess with the options
[06:29] <Ashex> Bryan1, #ubuntu-effects
[06:29] <Ashex> hehe
[06:29] <Ashex> I'll try it when i get home
[06:29] <Bryan1> Thanks
[06:29] <ferret_0567> Grrr...is TuxType a really good typing tutor
[06:29] <Ashex> I'm at work right now
[06:29] <zoohouse> Bryan1: i used berly not too long ago, maybe i can help
[06:29] <Lynoure> ferret_0567: I like Ktouch for that
[06:29] <frojnd> hello there, can someone tell me how to install blue tooth adapter (level one - 2.0)
[06:29] <ferret_0567> ok
[06:30] <ferret_0567> I'll try it
[06:30] <besonen_mobile> any ghost users here?  i just restored a kubuntu ghost image (on a dual-boot winxp laptop) only to have grub fail on reboot with an "error 15" message.  i could you some guidance in remedying this situation.
[06:31] <Ashex> frojnd, plug it in
[06:31] <Ashex> for me, plugging in the bluetooth adapter just works :)
[06:31] <ferret_0567> Cool
[06:31] <Ashex> hmm
[06:31] <ferret_0567> Which one?
[06:31] <Ashex> !grub | besonen_mobile
[06:31] <ubotu> besonen_mobile: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[06:31] <Ashex> Kingston bluetooth
[06:31] <ferret_0567> ok
[06:31] <Ashex> lemme double check the model number
[06:32] <zoohouse> Ashex: It is already installed 2.6.20-15generic
[06:32] <Ashex> Kensington 33348
[06:32] <besonen_mobile> thanks Ashex:  i'll do some more reading.
[06:32] <Ashex> zoohouse, did you install nvidia-kernel-source?
[06:32] <zoohouse> Ashex: no
[06:32] <Ashex> besonen_mobile, stick around and I'll do some reading
[06:32] <frojnd> Ashex: ya well, when I plug it in everythin it's ok, but when I start blue tooth headst blue tooth finds it but there is somekind of message that it can't connect to it.. if I do this in XP headset works.. so any ideas?
[06:33] <ferret_0567> !info basket | Ashex (this is a really good piece of software!)
[06:33] <ubotu> ashex (this is a really good piece of software!): basket: a multi-purpose note-taking application for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.1-1 (feisty), package size 4826 kB, installed size 7452 kB
[06:33] <Ashex> Hmm
[06:34] <zoohouse> Ashex: it is installed now. nvidia-new-kernel-source. What else?
[06:35] <besonen_mobile> Ashex:  i have an appointment very shortly for the rest of the day so i won't be able to "stick around" (although i will keep idling and logging the channel).
[06:35] <Ashex> zoohouse, resatart X
[06:35] <Ashex> besonen_mobile, okay, I'll message you any urls I find
[06:35] <besonen_mobile> thanks
[06:35] <Ashex> no problem
[06:36] <Ashex> I spent 3 hours last night working on grub, so I should be able to dig something up
[06:36] <ferret_0567> Domino is a really good KDE style
[06:36] <kubuntu_tester> hello folks
[06:37] <zoohouse> Ashex: I restarted x and x started but I think it started due to that the xorg.config is still showing "nv" instead of nvidia. Do you want me to try nvidia-xconfig?
[06:37] <Ashex> ah
[06:38] <Ashex> zoohouse, yeah
[06:38] <Ashex> or just edit xorg.conf and change nv to nvidia
[06:38] <zoohouse> Ashex: same error about the 2 versions
[06:39] <zoohouse> Ashex: do I have to reload the kernel mod or something like that? would rebooting the pc help?
[06:39] <kubuntu_tester> I have compiled my own version of mplayer, adept_notifier signals an update for this program but it's a previous version - how can I disable it?
[06:39] <Ashex> zoohouse, yeah, try rebooting
[06:39] <Ashex> as we just installed a kernel module, so it may need it
[06:39] <Ashex> are you on a laptop?
[06:40] <kubuntu_tester> it's boring
[06:40] <zoohouse> Ashex: I am using laptop for IRC only. The vid card stuff is on a homemade pc
[06:40] <Ashex> ah
[06:40] <Ashex> just curious
[06:41] <llutz> kubuntu_tester: you didn't make a mplayer.deb, just "make install"?
[06:41] <zoohouse> Ashex: WOOT WOOT
[06:41] <kubuntu_tester> llutz: I used checkinstall
[06:41] <Ashex> zoohouse, working for ya?
[06:41] <zoohouse> Ashex: it think it is working :D let me log in and chack glxgears
[06:41] <llutz> kubuntu_tester: try setting it on hold
[06:41] <Ashex> hehe, ok
[06:42] <kubuntu_tester> llutz: done but didnt work
[06:42] <zoohouse> Ashex: thanks for the help :D
[06:43] <Ashex> no problem :0
[06:43] <zoohouse> :)
[06:45] <kubuntu_tester> llutz: is there a command that permit me to disable update for this package?
[06:45] <kubuntu_tester> I'm reading apt-get manual
[06:46] <llutz> kubuntu_tester: that's what "hold" usually does
[06:49] <Alarm> i think i did something (although i cant remember doing something actually) , and instead of having a shortcut on my K-menu of System Settings. System settings is now a category which includes all the other categories and settings like look and feel, personal , advanced and so on . how can i change that to default ?
[06:50] <Ashex> edit the kmenu and add it as an icon instead of a menu
[06:50] <Filthpig> you've probably edited the K menu, then
[06:50] <Filthpig> hm
[06:50] <Alarm> Filthpig,  honestly i cant remember editing it
[06:51] <Filthpig> maybe you were drunk? huhu. No seriously, do what ashtex said
[06:51] <Alarm> Ashex,  the point is that on the System Settings category there is no command under it so that it would run the window as before. hope u understand what i mean
[06:51] <Filthpig> hm
[06:51] <Alarm> its just like a folder with its subfolders in the menu
[06:52] <Alarm> which ends to the shortcuts of every category, like services, session manager and so on
[06:52] <deviance> I have a home network, and I want to share files over it from my Kubuntu PC, but I dont know how to connect from my Kubuntu PC, The home network is wireless and running of an XP machine
[06:52] <ubuntu_> Does airkrack work in kubuntu??
[06:53] <llutz> ubuntu_: yes
[06:53] <Filthpig> I have a weird problem. I redesigned kde to look like osx, but now when I want the "normal" kde-look back, I cannot get the system tray etc to go where they should. Those bars I could use to drag items around are gone :s
[06:53] <Alarm> changing the icon just changes the icon, doesnt call the window with all the categories of settings
[06:53] <deviance> You may have locked the bards
[06:53] <deviance> bars*
[06:53] <deviance> Click and go unlock
[06:53] <markelhas> hi ppl i'm runnig a livecd of kubuntu, and it's working just fine for me. but when a install it to my disk i've low performance. can i make sure that this config should be used in the installation!?
[06:53] <deviance> also with KDE you cant drag them, you have to configure the pannels and move them
[06:53] <Alarm> deviance,  are u talking to me ?
[06:54] <deviance> No Fithpig
[06:54] <ferret_0567> KTouch is really good
[06:54] <deviance> Whats your problem alarm
[06:54] <deviance> !ktouch
[06:54] <Alarm> can someone tell me the command that is under ther System Setting shortcut in the kmenu ?
[06:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ktouch - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:54] <ubuntu_> How do I use Aircrack?
[06:54] <Alarm> deviance,  rm> i think i did something (although i cant remember doing something actually) , and instead of having a shortcut on my K-menu of System Settings. System settings is now a category which includes all the other categories and settings like look and feel, personal , advanced and so on . how can i change that to default ?
[06:54] <llutz> ubuntu_: read the documentation
[06:54] <markelhas> !slow
[06:54] <ubotu> The Ubuntu repositories and ISO mirrors are currently under heavy load due to the release of !Feisty. Please consider using !torrents to download ISO images, and be patient with APT updates.
[06:54] <Alarm> its just like a folder with its subfolders in the menu  which ends to the shortcuts of every category, like services, session manager and so on
[06:54] <markelhas> !slow performance
[06:54] <deviance> I have my shortcut set to controlcenter
[06:55] <Filthpig> deviance: panel is unlocked
[06:55] <ubuntu_> Where is the documentation?
[06:55] <deviance> Alarm try kcontrol
[06:55] <deviance> Ok Im outta here
[06:55] <Alarm> kcontrol is something else.
[06:55] <Alarm> its not the one that was by default there
[06:55] <ferret_0567> !info ktouch | deviance
[06:55] <ubotu> deviance: ktouch: touch typing tutor for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 1375 kB, installed size 3048 kB
[06:56] <llutz> ubuntu_: http://aircrack-ng.org/doku.php
[06:56] <Alarm> could someone tell me the details of the menu entry of System Settings  ?
[06:56] <ferret_0567> KDE is simply great :)
[06:57] <ferret_0567> I like KTouch and the seamless integration between apps
[06:58] <jeroenvrp> Ihi all
[06:58] <ubuntu_> How do I get the isv file aricrack wants?
[06:59] <jeroenvrp> I'm at a laptop and I need some help with the network-manager
[06:59] <jeroenvrp> I uses ndiswrapper to load a driver and it works fine (I can connect with WEP) using iwconfig
[06:59] <llutz> ubuntu_: use the link and read yourself
[06:59] <markelhas> hi ppl i'm runnig a livecd of kubuntu, and it's working just fine for me. but when a install it to my disk i've low performance. can i make sure that this config should be used in the installation!?
[07:00] <jeroenvrp> but the card doesnt shows up in knetworkmanager
[07:00] <zoohouse> ferret_0567: first time on KDE? :)
[07:00] <wolferine> what is the difference between OSS and ALSA?
[07:00] <Ashex> Markeda, can you be more specific?
[07:00] <Ashex> what is low performing?
[07:01] <jeroenvrp> and when I reinsert the card, I have to set the settings with iwconfig again
[07:01] <jeroenvrp> crad=usb
[07:01] <jeroenvrp> card=usb
[07:01] <jeroenvrp> ???
[07:01] <FringeLicious> jeroenvrp if you can, stick to iwconfig
[07:01] <TheCreationist> I'm having kind of a strange sound issue.  I'm running Edgy.  Every time I login, I need to manually run alsamixer to fix the balance issue.  Kubuntu only plays sound on my right speaker until I change it manually.  How do I fix that?
[07:01] <markelhas> Ashex: after asking for some help and looking for the system, the Xorg process jump do 95% cpu usage
[07:02] <jeroenvrp> -
[07:02] <jeroenvrp> FringeLicious: No, its not my laptop
[07:02] <markelhas> Ashex: i've a laptop asus m3n
[07:02] <jeroenvrp> knetworkmanager should work
[07:02] <Yorokobi> knetworkmanager should still be in beta testing
[07:02] <qubuntu> how do i stop kubuntu from restoring tjhe applications i had when i shut the system down ?
[07:03] <Yorokobi> it just doesn't work
[07:03] <jeroenvrp> it works with other udb sticks
[07:03] <llutz> qubuntu: kcontrol - session-management
[07:03] <bobstro> qubuntu: sounds like session manager. you want to start with fresh session each time?
[07:03] <jeroenvrp> network-manager is NOT in beta
[07:03] <qubuntu> bobstro: yes
[07:03] <jeroenvrp> knetworkmanager is only the front end
[07:03] <FringeLicious> jeroenvrp I thought you meant interior card, sorry, I can't help with exteriors
[07:04] <Ashex> markelhas, install the appropriate video driver
[07:04] <alexicon> !info geoiplookup
[07:04] <ubotu> Package geoiplookup does not exist in feisty
[07:04] <bobstro> qubuntu: well, llutz just ruined the surprise. :) go there.
[07:04] <Ashex> that may be the issue, however it's difficult to say if it's just X that's occupying the cpu
[07:04] <FringeLicious> qubuntu thats in system settings I believe
[07:04] <llutz> shame on me
[07:04] <jeroenvrp> FringeLicious: just a linksys usb stick
[07:04] <foxbeingz> What is the command line if I want to move several folders to a folder? say in a direcotry A I have folder1, folder2, folder3   how doI move them to directory B ?  "cp folder1,folder2,folder3 /B/"   like so ?
[07:04] <bobstro> llutz: you must be loads of fun at christmas. :)
[07:04] <llutz> bobstro: /me hates xmas
[07:05] <markelhas> Ashex: but the driver that i'm using right now in the livecd its working just fine, but not in the disk instalation
[07:05] <qubuntu> thx :)
[07:05] <ferret_0567> zoohouse: no, not first time on KDE
[07:05] <Ashex> hmm
[07:05] <Ashex> I'm not entirely sure what to say about that one
[07:05] <Ashex> !xorg
[07:05] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[07:05] <ferret_0567> I liked KDE before, but I had not found a note taking app to fit my needs
[07:06] <ferret_0567> I was using Edgy then, and I finally found BasKet, but it was outdated, so, I upgraded to Feisty during the late beta time period, and it was great!
[07:06] <foxbeingz> Can someone please tell me why or how am I banned from the #ubuntu channel? I have several computers on under a router, meaning I have 1 internet IP for all of them. I can get in from my pc to #ubuntu, but cannot do so from my laptop as it tells me that I am banned. ???
[07:07] <ferret_0567> You would want to speak to a channel op
[07:07] <bobstro> foxbeingz: you're not using tor or similar on the laptop?
[07:07] <markelhas> Ashex: when i first install kubuntu 6.10 i also had slow performance due to using partion magic to creat partition to kubuntu. Then some one told me to use the partition tool that was on the live cd. That time resolved my problem. But now keep the slow performance in 7.04
[07:07] <foxbeingz> bobstro: no. nothing like that.
[07:08] <markelhas> Ashex: maybe i must stay with the olde version :(
[07:08] <ferret_0567> You should fresh install Feisty then
[07:08] <markelhas> ferret_0567: i've already tryed a fresh install
[07:09] <ferret_0567> ...
[07:09] <ferret_0567> weird...
[07:09] <foxbeingz> bobstro: internet tells me to " contact the board administrator"  how do I do that I wonder.
[07:09] <bobstro> foxbeingz: ferret_0567 pointed you the right way. check the server info.
[07:09] <bobstro> foxbeingz: are both machined in irc at same time?
[07:09] <markelhas> is any way to be sure to use the setting that i'm using right now on this live cd session!?
[07:10] <bobstro> markelhas: whas is slow?
[07:10] <ferret_0567> I can use IRC on two different computers at the same time on #ubuntu, no prob
[07:10] <foxbeingz> bobstro: not now. Channel info, what exactly should i check ?
[07:10] <bobstro> markelhas: er, what is slow.
[07:10] <bobstro> foxbeingz: i believe there info on the freenode web site.
[07:10] <ferret_0567> markelhas boot up the live cd, and then you can copy some files
[07:11] <ferret_0567> From the live cd home folder to the installed home foldere
[07:11] <ferret_0567> And, then you just change some permissions, and then it should work
[07:11] <markelhas> bobstro: when i try to open kete for example i've to wait a lot to use it. And in the console i type top to check what is appening and the Xorg popus up to 95% cpu
[07:12] <ferret_0567> Hmmm...weird
[07:12] <ferret_0567> There might be one thing that I can think of that might cause your problem
[07:12] <markelhas> ferret_0567: but i don't now the files that a should copy to set this config!
[07:12] <aro> !keep
[07:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about keep - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:13] <aro> !info keep
[07:13] <ubotu> keep: backup system for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 0.4.0-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 202 kB, installed size 1156 kB
[07:13] <ferret_0567> try all the dot files, the files starting with a "."
[07:13] <ferret_0567> Overwriting them if necessary
[07:13] <foxbeingz> bobstro: I am lookng there, a bunch of sites, but I cannot figure out where specifically I should go/
[07:14] <jen> I switched to Kubuntu after running Mandrake\Mandriva for years and I really like it...Doesn't have the dependency hell like Mandriva did :)
[07:14] <aro> What does it mean when a window fades from colored to grayscale in KDE?
[07:14] <ferret_0567> But, what I have just described might destroy something
[07:14] <charlie> is it possible to upgrade qt4.2.0-1ubuntu in edgy to qt4.2.3?
[07:15] <ferret_0567> Hmmm...I would just reset all settings to defaults by deleting all the dot files and folders from your home folder in the installed system
[07:15] <dwidmann> charlie: well, you could try to pull feisty's packages and hope they work okay (they probably have some major dependencies), else, you'd have to build from source, which shouldn't be very hard
[07:15] <ferret_0567> That will delete all your emails and history and stuff, too
[07:15] <charlie_> thanks
[07:16] <ferret_0567> Either way has similar consequences
[07:16] <foxbeingz> ferret_0567: do I you know where to look for so that I can talk to someone to unban me? As this is some server error
[07:17] <dwidmann> jen: No, it's not too bad
[07:17] <ferret_0567> This might make someone mad, but maybe type !help ?
[07:17] <jen> Charlie, I just looked and it appears that QT4  is buried in the repositories
[07:17] <ferret_0567> That'll contact admins
[07:17] <Ashex> eh?
[07:17] <sparrw> i might be getting my hands on a few dozen old 4-head cirrus logic svga video cards...  gotta find a bunch of CRTs and build a display wall now  :)
[07:17] <Ashex> what's the issue?
[07:18] <ferret_0567> He says he got banned from #ubuntu, and that he can get on from his desktop, but not from his laptop, even though they both have the same IP address on the net' (router)
[07:18] <aro> What does it mean when a window fades from colored to grayscale in KDE?
[07:19] <callidusfox> yeah
[07:19] <ferret_0567> I think it means that the app stopped responding
[07:19] <ferret_0567> I get that in Beryl
[07:19] <dwidmann> that or it has lost focus
[07:19] <jen> Kubuntu even runs on a 5 year old Compaw laptop with a bad memory module where M$ wont :)
[07:19] <aro> I figured as much ferret_0567 and dwidmann
[07:20] <dwidmann> jen: yes, how well does it run though? linux on old low mem machines is still rather painfuli n my experience (good thing ram is cheap)
[07:20] <ferret_0567> Hmmm...does anyone have any problems with Atheros wireless cards causing freezing?
[07:20] <sparrw> how can i turn off my keyboard's capslock remotely?
[07:20] <sparrw> ferret_0567: banned from #ubuntu is a badge of pride
[07:20] <jen> DW, it absolutely purrs
[07:21] <ferret_0567> I do, but I also have the NVIDIA module (driver in windows)
[07:21] <ferret_0567> badge of pride?
[07:21] <ferret_0567> Huh?
[07:21] <dwidmann> jen: I guess it's just because I send my computer to multitasking hell :P
[07:21] <markelhas> how can i check the speed acess to my disk!'
[07:22] <jen> The only thing I miss about Mandriva is their Control Center. I wish Kubuntu would implement something like it.
[07:22] <teida> olaaaaaaaaa
[07:22] <markelhas> teida: ola para ti tb :)
[07:23] <ferret_0567> markelhas: http://linux.inet.hr/how_fast_is_your_disk.html
[07:23] <jen> Having to tweak config files isn't something I've had to do in years, got lazy with Mandriva *lol*
[07:23] <ferret_0567> There are some performance improvements you could make
[07:23] <teida> gracias
[07:23] <dwidmann> jen: I haven't touched mandriva since before the name change, but I know what you're talking about. It had some nice stuff
[07:23] <jen> Gotta say Kubuntu seems faster tho
[07:23] <teida> nadie me habla oqueeee
[07:24] <dwidmann> not for me lately :\ feisty seems slower on mine than it was on edgy ... thinking of switching back to debian for a while because of it
[07:24] <jen> I build my puters to be Linux compatable so I haven't had many hardware issues
[07:24] <markelhas> ferret_0567: thnk, i've best preformance on a live cd than on a disk install, this is crazy stuff :|
[07:25] <teida> ola hellou a todosssssssssssss
[07:25] <dwidmann> jen: best way to do it, I do the same
[07:26] <markelhas> ferret_0567: when u installed your kubuntu did u used the partition tool that was on the live cd?
[07:26] <jen> This is diffferent..haven't been on an IRC since the early 90's
[07:28] <teida> ola ai alguien
[07:28] <ferret_0567> markelhas: I was using Ubuntu then, I did use it's partitioning tool
[07:28] <markelhas> ferret_0567: manual !?
[07:29] <ferret_0567> Manual?
[07:29] <markelhas> ferret_0567: tryng to see if i made same mistake!?
[07:29] <nirvana> c' qualcuno di italiano?
[07:29] <markelhas> ferret_0567: also tryed the ubuntu cd same problem
[07:30] <ferret_0567> Do you need Windows?
[07:30] <ferret_0567> I never needed it when I installed Ubuntu
[07:30] <ferret_0567> I removed it
[07:30] <nirvana> ragazzi io uso beryl ma non riesco a configurarlo perch
[07:30] <nirvana> primo non capisco
[07:30] <nirvana> i tasti
[07:30] <nirvana> per fare
[07:30] <nirvana> il cudo
[07:30] <markelhas> ferret_0567: i've a lot of stuff there that i don't want to loose, also need windows to connect my pocket and other tools for work
[07:32] <ferox> hi
[07:32] <markelhas> ferret_0567: and i'm afraid if a remove it that this problem steel there
[07:32] <ferret_0567> You could ask #linux
[07:32] <teida> os unis al canal lo dejais pro no contais nada
[07:32] <sparrw> ferret_0567: getting banned from #ubuntu is like getting exiled from iraq
[07:32] <paolo> hi. how can i see the dimension of the actual partition and the free space?
[07:33] <sparrw> paolo: df
[07:33] <deviance> Hmm
[07:33] <ferret_0567> You could ask LinuxQuestions, Ubuntu Forums, #ubuntu, and #linux
[07:33] <deviance> Can you guys see this
[07:33] <paolo> thnks sparrw
[07:33] <sparrw> nope
[07:33] <orlando> How i select text in konsole or console without use the mouse?
[07:34] <markelhas> ferret_0567: i'll try thnks man
[07:34] <ferret_0567> We might be able to help if you could post the output of "sudo fdisk -l" to pastebin
[07:35] <teida> ola michail me aburro que t cuentas majo
[07:35] <teida>  olaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[07:36] <teida> olaaaaaaaaaaaa
[07:36] <teida> oooooooooollllllllllllaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[07:36] <Ace2016> Hi
[07:36] <ferret_0567> !pastebin | markelhas
[07:36] <ubotu> markelhas: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[07:37] <paolo> another question: i have to free /dev/hda3 and let /dev/hda4 take all the space freed by dev/hda3 ... how can i do?
[07:39] <ferret_0567> Well...you should ask #linux
[07:39] <paolo> thnks all
[07:40] <ferret_0567> Your welcome
[07:41] <deviance> pinh
[07:41] <markelhas> ferret_0567: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17654/
[07:41] <deviance> !ping
[07:41] <ubotu> pong
[07:41] <deviance> Oh good, IRC does work :P
[07:44] <ferret_0567> markelhas: I g2g soon, what was your problem again? after you tell everybody your problem again, you should also post the link to the pastebin post you made
[07:44] <deviance> Will 7.04 be lts?
[07:44] <ferret_0567> no
[07:44] <deviance> Hmph
[07:44] <deviance> When will 5.05 support run out
[07:44] <ferret_0567> Maybe the next release
[07:44] <SilverPlated> nope following one
[07:44] <ferret_0567> Not sure
[07:44] <deviance> I'm still on dapper, I think I should upgrade, but this one works fine
[07:45] <deviance> Is it worth it?
[07:45] <SilverPlated> mark had an article saying 8.04 will be the next
[07:45] <ferret_0567> Anyway, the great thing about Linux is that if support runs out, you can get help from the community
[07:45] <deviance> Hmm, thats a long way off
[07:45] <SilverPlated> well dapper is a 2 year lts
[07:45] <deviance> Whats the support, does that mean IRC support as well?
[07:45] <ferret_0567> deviance: yes, I do think the upgrade to Edgy and then Feisty is worth it
[07:45] <deviance> So Support will run out in may for dapper?
[07:45] <ferret_0567> Yeah
[07:46] <deviance> Can I upgrade from the CD?
[07:46] <SilverPlated> unless something happens yes
[07:46] <fdoving> deviance: no, LTS releases are supported for 3 years.
[07:46] <SilverPlated> is it 3?
[07:46] <fdoving> dapper is an LTS release.
[07:46] <SilverPlated> i thought it was 2
[07:46] <fdoving> yes.
[07:46] <SilverPlated> D=
[07:46] <teida> i dont undertand because the 3 people in this chat don't talk with me x saber ingles no soys mas  y a mi no se me da bien okkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
[07:46] <fdoving> !lts
[07:46] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[07:47] <deviance> 5 on the server, Nice.
[07:47] <WillLuongo> Hello, is it possible to get a linksys pci wireless card working on KUbuntu?
[07:47] <deviance> Hmm, Is there an apache gui tool to set one up?
[07:47] <deviance> !apache
[07:47] <SilverPlated> i can't imagine someone wanting to run dapper for 3 years
[07:47] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[07:48] <deviance> I will upgrade, is it risky at all?
[07:48] <SilverPlated> not if you don't have data you wanna keep
[07:48] <SilverPlated> ;)
[07:48] <deviance> Will I loose my settings such as wallpaper, home files?
[07:48] <SilverPlated> there is a chance
[07:49] <SilverPlated> a good one
[07:49] <ferret_0567> I g2g do my school work
[07:49] <deviance> A good one?
[07:49] <deviance> I don't like the sound of that?
[07:49] <SilverPlated> a good chance
[07:49] <ferret_0567> I'll  be back on in about...oh...maybe 3 hours
[07:49] <deviance> Ok cya
[07:49] <SilverPlated> backup and then install
[07:49] <deviance> Yeah
[07:49] <fdoving> deviance: unless something goes horribly wrong, (which should not happen if you follow the guides) - there is not much risk in updating.
[07:49] <deviance> Ok, Ill backup and try it
[07:50] <fdoving> a backup is always advisable anyway.
[07:50] <SilverPlated> from what i've read updating rarely goes well
[07:50] <deviance> Oh dear, My home is 2gigs. I had better just keep what I need, huh,
[07:50] <deviance> 1.1gig music, damn
[07:50] <SilverPlated> meh i have 10gb
[07:51] <SilverPlated> sometimes you just gotta spoil yourself
[07:51] <deviance> All my files are in home, except for my php files
[07:51] <deviance> Any others I should back up?
[07:51] <teida> no
[07:51] <SilverPlated> that dictionary app in ubuntu is nice
[07:52] <SilverPlated> i'll admit I usually assume the worst
[07:52] <deviance> I shall buy a memory stick, any suggestions?
[07:52] <surgy> hi
[07:53] <teida> que eburridos soys enserio ni picandos me seguis el royo o os lo traduzco
[07:53] <surgy> i just downloaded the pcxs2 emulator and it comes in a format with the .7z extension, i tried to open it with ark and ark says "7zr is not in your path" can someone help please?
[07:53] <surgy> !english | teida
[07:53] <ubotu> teida: The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[07:53] <teida> a la chao
[07:54] <fdoving> surgy: you need the package named 'p7zip-full' to unzip that.
[07:54] <callidusfox> bobstro: I reisntall X-Chat irc clinet, deleted my .xchat folder from home folder and now everything works.
[07:54] <deviance> Where is my firefox favorites kept?
[07:54] <callidusfox> bobstro: I can log in to #ubuntu
[07:54] <fdoving> deviance: inside ~/.firefox
[07:54] <SilverPlated> so you typed the message in english?
[07:54] <fdoving> deviance: err.. i mean ~/.mozilla/
[07:54] <dettoaltrimenti_> can I set mp3s to open in moc and automatically play when I click on them?
[07:54] <deviance> How do i get there?
[07:54] <SilverPlated> helpfull for non english speakers
[07:54] <surgy> callidusfox: thank you, is that a pluggin for ark or is it a different program?
[07:55] <amnezia> hi
[07:55] <fdoving> surgy: it is a separate program, but i think ark handles it too.
[07:55] <callidusfox> surgy: worong person ?
[07:55] <fdoving> surgy: ark handles it with that program installed, iirc.
[07:55] <surgy> callidusfox: yes sorry
[07:55] <teida> bye bey
[07:55] <SilverPlated> is koffice any good these days?
[07:55] <deviance> How do I show hidden files
[07:55] <surgy> fdoving: i got this error  Could not resolve 'us.archive.ubuntu.com' what can i do?
[07:55] <Daniwan> Is there a way I can revert back to Kubuntu edgy from fiesty?  I dont have backups, do I have to do a clean install?
[07:56] <fdoving> surgy: does other websites work?
[07:56] <mc__> Daniwan: no that is not possible
[07:56] <surgy> fdoving: yes
[07:56] <Daniwan> wtf, why not?
[07:56] <Daniwan> lol windows can do it
[07:56] <mc__> someone should "Downgrades are _NOT_ supported" in the topic
[07:56] <fdoving> Daniwan: clean install is the best option.
[07:57] <mc__> Daniwan: you can downgrate from windows vista to xp?
[07:57] <Daniwan> If you orriginally had XP yes
[07:57] <SilverPlated> DIS
[07:57] <deviance> Hmm, why upgrade to Edgy and then to feisty?
[07:57] <Daniwan> If you install XP then upgrade to Vista you can rollback to XP
[07:57] <surgy> fdoving: wha6t do i need to do?
[07:57] <mc__> Daniwan: well,cause they now there new products suck even more
[07:57] <deviance> From what I have heard everyone has had problems under Feisty
[07:57] <Daniwan> True
[07:57] <Daniwan> lol
[07:57] <Daniwan> Yeah VMWARE
[07:57] <fdoving> surgy: change to another mirror.
[07:57] <mc__> Daniwan: but why would you want to dowgrade from feisty to edgy?
[07:57] <Daniwan> VMware
[07:58] <SilverPlated> THIS WEEK ON THE GRANDMA ACTION SHOW!
[07:58] <Daniwan> It doesn't run in fiesty
[07:58] <fdoving> SilverPlated: excuse me?
[07:58] <Daniwan> The new kernel isn't supported
[07:58] <SilverPlated> lol
[07:58] <surgy> fdoving: umm...... by messing with my sources.list? is there a website i can download the .deb from?
[07:58] <fdoving> surgy: you can download .debs from http://packages.ubuntu.com
[07:58] <mc__> Daniwan: wait,or use qemu with kqemu
[07:58] <Daniwan> unless someone knows a way to get vmware server running on a fiesty install
[07:58] <mc__> Daniwan: or install a supported kernel
[07:58] <surgy> fdoving: thnx
[07:58] <Daniwan> I can run dual kernels?
[07:59] <fdoving> Daniwan: http://www.go2linux.org/node/44
[07:59] <Daniwan> 2.6.15 kernel is supported by VMware, 2.6.20 (Fiesty's kernel) is not
[07:59] <surgy> fdoving: what sub category whould it be under? do you know?
[08:00] <fdoving> surgy: search for it. http://packages.ubuntu.com/p7zip-full
[08:00] <mc__> Daniwan: grab the source of 2.6.15,compile it,run it
[08:00] <besonen_mobile> were there any changes between the last 7.04 "beta" and the final 7.04 release?
[08:00] <mc__> besonen_mobile: bugfixes
[08:01] <besonen_mobile> "beta" being "herd 5"
[08:01] <Daniwan> um...
[08:01] <besonen_mobile> thanks mc__
[08:01] <Daniwan> Is there a non manual way to install 2.6.15 kernel?
[08:01] <Daniwan> Like through adept or something?
[08:01] <Daniwan> or apt-get?
[08:01] <besonen_mobile> mc__:  do you know where i can find the changelog?
[08:01] <mc__> besonen_mobile: why do you want to know that?
[08:01] <Ashex> besonen_mobile, did you get your grub fixed?
[08:01] <fdoving> Daniwan: go read the link i posted to you.
[08:02] <Daniwan> It;s not loading
[08:02] <fdoving> Daniwan: http://www.go2linux.org/node/44 - here it is.
[08:02] <besonen_mobile> mc__:  because i'm  curious
[08:02] <deviance> I run Hoary
[08:02] <deviance> Its the best
[08:02] <mc__> besonen_mobile: hm,alright,dunno sorry
[08:02] <dettoaltrimenti_> is there any way to add options to 'Open With,,,'? I want to run 'mocp -acp' every time I click on an mp3
[08:03] <besonen_mobile> Ashex:  nope.  i think there might be a bug in ghost.  if your are around in a day or two i'll tell you what i discover.
[08:03] <Daniwan> Still waiting for response on that site fdoving.  Been waiting since your first post the servers not responding..
[08:03] <deviance> Wait how can I check my version of kubuntu
[08:03] <fdoving> Daniwan: hang on, i'll find the google cache-link for you.
[08:03] <Daniwan> ty
[08:03] <Ashex> besonen_mobile, okay, I'm usually here every day
[08:03] <fdoving> deviance: in konsole: 'lsb_release -a'
[08:03] <Ashex> besonen_mobile, it may be that you need to do grub-install /dev/foo
[08:03] <Ashex> ghost may not backup the MBR
[08:04] <deviance> I am running dapper
[08:04] <deviance> Was edgy 6.10
[08:04] <jacek> is there any way to get 'quicksearch' in menu, like in openSUSE ??
[08:04] <ayjamob> hey folks! could someone help me. how to make work normally two network in kubuntu? same problem are in the most kde-based distros
[08:04] <besonen_mobile> Ashex:  i backed up the mbr separately with mbrwork.  fwiw, when i looked in /boot the grub directory was missing.
[08:05] <fdoving> Daniwan: http://icanthack.com/?p=53 might work for you.
[08:05] <Ashex> besonen_mobile, what file is missing?
[08:05] <fdoving> Daniwan: http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:lC1jHJDDD14J:www.go2linux.org/node/44+vmware+server+feisty&hl=no&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=no
[08:05] <fdoving> nice url. go google.
[08:05] <besonen_mobile> Ashex:  the whole grub directory
[08:06] <ayjamob> ,,in same time
[08:06] <aro> Anyone know how to bold text in Konversation? ctrl+b brings up bookmarks.
[08:06] <ayjamob> anyone??
[08:06] <fdoving> Daniwan: basically google for 'vmware server feisty' will give you a bunch of hand-holding when fixing vmware on feisty. it's, no doubt, easier than downgrading or reinstalling.
[08:07] <fdoving> ayjamob: you can do it manually in /etc/network/interfaces - i'm not aware of any smart config tool to do that graphically.
[08:08] <Daniwan> fdoving so I see.
[08:08] <Daniwan> The Icanthack link is for x86, I'm 64bit amd.  Besides renaming the kernel you think the same process should work?
[08:09] <Daniwan> I'm just a little afraid to mess with the kernel by hand
[08:09] <fdoving> Daniwan: try. or google something like 'vmware server 64bit feisty'
[08:09] <Daniwan> good call
[08:09] <fdoving> Daniwan: you're not messing with the kernel, directly. you're trying to compile modules for it.
 my cards is working, but eth1 is going to offline. kde dont like two working card at the same time. i dont know why. i tried to turnof knetwork, but it didn't helped.
[08:10] <Ashex> besonen_mobile, that is very strange
[08:10] <Ashex> I'll be right back, gotta do some work
[08:10] <besonen_mobile> Ashex:  i know
[08:10] <besonen_mobile> i'm outta here
[08:10] <besonen_mobile> thanks for your interest
[08:10] <fdoving> ayjamob: are they both DHCP?
[08:11] <joel> whats a good session video capture app? I tried istanbul but it doesn't work properly
[08:11] <fdoving> joel: xvidcap
[08:12] <joel> fdoving: thanks
 eth0 is not DHCP and connected to internet, and other eth1 is connected to the other Windows computer and not DHCP to
[08:13] <mehdi> hello all
[08:13] <ayjamob> i have kubuntu fiesty
[08:13] <fdoving> ayjamob: ok. static only. I'll make a sample /etc/network/interfaces file for you, and paste it online. hang on.
[08:13] <ayjamob> ok
[08:14] <mehdi> there is somone here how speck french?
[08:14] <LjL> !fr > mehdi    (mehdi, see the private message from Ubotu)
[08:14] <mehdi> plz help
[08:14] <Daniwan> AHA
[08:15] <Daniwan> fdoving, thanks again I think I got it.  It was as simple as running a patch I found on ubuntuforums
[08:15] <mehdi> !thanx LjL
[08:15] <fdoving> Daniwan: great :)
[08:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about thanx ljl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:15] <dettoaltrimenti_> is there any way to add command line arguments to 'Open With,,,'? I want to run 'mocp -acp' every time I click on an mp3
[08:15] <Daniwan> This is why I like ubuntu.  People are actually helpfull.  Thanks for helping me instead of "rtfm"ing me.  ;)
[08:16] <fdoving> ayjamob: http://rafb.net/p/1St9Ar66.html
[08:16] <WillLuongo> Hello, is there any way to get a linksys pci wireless network card working in KUbuntu?
[08:16] <gioacchino> hello I have a problem with open gl
[08:17] <neongau> dettoaltrimenti_: try open with / other and then type it there
[08:17] <gioacchino> somebody can help me ?
[08:17] <gioacchino> !opengl
[08:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about opengl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:17] <WillLuongo> gioacchino: What is your problem?
[08:17] <joel> What is the difrenace between 'mare to be removed' and purge?
[08:18] <gioacchino> WillLuongo: I use latest version of kubuntu  my problem is this: when I use any 3d game
[08:18] <Jack32> okay wtf
[08:18] <gioacchino> it go slowly and wen I close the game crash the session
[08:18] <Jack32> i restarted kubuntu and it had a config wizard pop up randomly
[08:18] <gioacchino> I must login
[08:18] <Jack32> and now my enviroment looks all different
[08:19] <Jack32> my beryl isnt being apoplied, and my windows look like xp theme
[08:19] <Jack32> and beryl is runnign....
[08:20] <dettoaltrimenti_> yeah I tried neongau, but it doesn't recognize the arguments
[08:20] <WillLuongo> gioacchino: I can't say for sure, but when I had opengl apps crash like that, I had to reconfigure my video driver in xorg
[08:20] <gioacchino> WillLuongo: all 3D game play slow and when I close it I must relog in kde session
[08:20] <WillLuongo> gioacchino: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg was how I fixed it.
[08:20] <compilerwriter> Ladies and gents I am having monitor issues.
[08:21] <WillLuongo> But it turned out to be that when I updated to feisty it replaced my legacy nvidia drivers with the new ones.
[08:21] <gioacchino> my hardware is this: motherboard= asus p5w dh deluxe , vga card= nvidia en 6600 512MB, cpu= core 2 duo e6600, ram 1GB
[08:22] <compilerwriter> When I try to do the sytem settings thing and modify my monitor settings a I get an error message about old third party things and something about a failed kde upgrade.
[08:22] <compilerwriter> Now for some reason all of my fonts are giant as well.
[08:23] <gioacchino> WillLuongo: for my nvidia video card the driver is "nv"  ??
[08:23] <zerothis> i have gens with gtk installed. is there a way to also install cli gens so i have both. I have the cli gens source and am ready to ./configure it, i assmue there is a configure option to install cli gens is a non default place or under aq non default name (ie: gens-cli)
[08:24] <WillLuongo> gioacchino: that sounds right to me. I don't really know any more than that, sorry.
[08:24] <gioacchino> thanks..
[08:26] <neongau> is there way to have gtk apps really get styled as the qt apps? in firefox for example the menus look dead-ugly because the line-height is only a 3rd of that in qt :S
[08:26] <compilerwriter> The  module Monitory & Display could not be loaded.  The possible reasons are:  an error occurred during your last KDE upgrade leaving an orphaned control module.  or You have old thir party moldules lying around.  How do I fix this?
[08:27] <WillLuongo> neongau: you can select qt instead of gtk in the system settings
[08:27] <neongau> WillLuongo: that doesn't ever changes anything for me
[08:28] <WillLuongo> System Settings --> Appearance --> GTK styles and Fonts
[08:29] <WillLuongo> neongau: I don't have any other ideas, sorry.
[08:32] <neongau> np, guess i have to live with ugly gtk apps :D
[08:33] <weswh-> i have an Asus A7N8X motherboard, that has SATA - not sure which chipset...does anyone know if that works well with Kubuntu?
[08:33] <weswh-> I'm thinking about getting an SATA system drive
[08:33] <The> Hello Everyone!
[08:34] <WillLuongo> The: hi!
[08:34] <Trubadurix> ehm why does kde suck so much on ubuntu? i installed kubuntu and nothing work then i reinstall i now it cant boot up :( . is it better to install ubuntu and then install kde via synaptic?
[08:34] <wolferine> Trubadurix, what sort of issues?
[08:35] <FireTalon> mine is working fine
[08:35] <gioacchino> I have a probelam with open gl anybody can help me ?
[08:35] <Trubadurix> issues = ???
[08:35] <wolferine> gioacchino, try #ubuntu-effects
[08:35] <Filthpig> Trubadurix: problems..
[08:35] <weswh-> Trubadurix: i've never had problems like that. sounds like a faulty install somehow
[08:36] <Trubadurix> first install i couldnt use konsol. all i write and nothing happend
[08:36] <Filthpig> Trubadurix: have you tried reinstalling?
[08:36] <wolferine> Trubadurix, thats the only issue?
[08:37] <weswh-> what's the kernel version of Feisty?
[08:37] <Trubadurix> no many applications coulnt open but i cant see out put becues konsol dont work
[08:37] <The> May i ask whats the main difference between Ubuntu and Kubuntu?
[08:37] <Trubadurix> then i reinstalled and now  aproblem in boot
[08:38] <Filthpig> The: mainly the desktop environment; Ubuntu uses gnome while Kubuntu uses KDE. And then there are some apps.
[08:38] <corey> does anyone here have experience installing quake 3 with the quake3-data package and the disk?
[08:38] <Trubadurix> and every time i restart system i have cut the power becues it stuck on half way or something
[08:38] <The> i was trying out Ubuntu and i love it but i have been around Windows computers and my understanding is that Kubuntu is a little more windows friendly
[08:39] <The> atleast to the people that are used to it
[08:39] <Trubadurix> wolferine: is it better if install ubuntu and then kde via synaptic?
[08:39] <nighthawk71> I am running Kubuntu 7.04.  I am having a problem with KMail.  when I try to print an html email with a multiple page table in it it does not print right
[08:39] <wolferine> Trubadurix, i am sure you can work with what you have
[08:40] <Trubadurix> ok i'll try
[08:40] <WillLuongo> The: In my experience, both are equally friendly or unfriendly (depending on your perspective)
[08:40] <Filthpig> Trubadurix: what are your computer specs?
[08:40] <nighthawk71> Trubadurix.  if you want to run kubuntu 7.04, you should probably install that ranther than just installing kde over ubuntu
[08:40] <Trubadurix> specs = hardware ??????????
[08:40] <WillLuongo> The: I like KDE better myself.
[08:40] <Trubadurix> i have the kubuntu 7.04 cd
[08:40] <The> i like Ubuntu but i want to make sure i know which one i want more
[08:41] <The> which is going to be easier for my to transition to thats all
[08:41] <The> (sorry about the spelling)
[08:41] <WillLuongo> The: You might want to just try a live disk of kubuntu then, and play around a bit
[08:42] <Trubadurix> ok here's the question:  install kubuntu   or   install ubuntu and then install kde over    ?
[08:42] <nighthawk71> install kubuntu
[08:42] <WillLuongo> Trubadurix: Go with Kubuntu
[08:42] <Trubadurix> ok
[08:42] <haffi_> If I have Kubuntu 6.10 with nvidia drivers and beryl, should the update to 7.04 give me any problems?
[08:42] <nighthawk71> I tried installing ubuntu server, then kde over it
[08:42] <nighthawk71> it did not work very well
[08:42] <weswh-> does anyone know what the default kernel for the desktop system is?
[08:42] <Trubadurix> thanx
[08:42] <nighthawk71> 2.6.20-15-generic
[08:42] <Trubadurix> 2.6.20 ?
[08:43] <WillLuongo> haffi_: I didn't have beryl, but my upgrade with nvidia drivers was relatively painless
[08:43] <haffi_> ok
[08:43] <haffi_> hopefully the update won't break the X server or something
[08:43] <weswh-> thanks
[08:43] <nighthawk71> I am running Kubuntu 7.04.  I am having a problem with KMail.  when I try to print an html email with a multiple page table in it it does not print right
[08:44] <nighthawk71> any ideas?
[08:44] <weswh-> trying to figure out if it will play nice with an SATA hard drive (Asus A7N8x mobo, nforce2 chipset...not certain of the SATA chipset)
[08:44] <nighthawk71> I am running kubuntu 7.04 on intel 945P chipset motherboard with sata 160gb wd hard drive
[08:45] <intelikey> what are the cron tests again ?    * * * * *   is ?
[08:45] <Alarm> when putting a dvd in my drive and later unmounting it , i see like 10 processes kio_file where each of them takes 6-7mb of ram. and even if the dvd/cd is unmounted the processes dont stop . how can i stop that annoying thing ?
[08:46] <intelikey> no man pages    but i'll look on tldp.org
[08:47] <The> Can anyone reccomend a quicker way of downloading the Iso of Kubuntu besides directly from the website?
[08:47] <Alarm> The,  ftp mirrors ?
[08:47] <Alarm> torrents ?
[08:48] <Alarm> though http and ftp is the best and fastest way
[08:48] <wolferine> The, torrents, help the cause :)
[08:48] <The> i just cant have access to the website for the entire period of 7 hrs
[08:48] <csingley> hey people.  i have updated from 6.06 "dapper drake" to 6.10 "edgy eft" via dist-upgrade.  it worked surprisingly smoothly, except i can't upgrade to kernel 2.6.17.  error message is:
[08:48] <csingley> "
[08:48] <csingley> Setting up linux-image-2.6.17-11-generic (2.6.17.1-11.37) ...
[08:48] <csingley> Running depmod.
[08:48] <csingley> Finding valid ramdisk creators.
[08:48] <csingley> Failed to find suitable ramdisk generation tool for kernel version
[08:48] <csingley> 2.6.17-11-generic on running kernel 2.6.15-27-686 in /usr/sbin/mkinitramf
[08:48] <Alarm> The,  there are download managers with pause on them
[08:48] <csingley> has anybody seen this?
[08:49] <wolferine> csingley, if you can, we can
[08:49] <nico_> i found out what to put in the .sh file to start glx
[08:49] <The> Alright will try it by torrent
[08:49] <nico_> but now i have to find out what to put in the file instead of starting gnome-desktop
[08:49] <The> anyone know of a good torrent search engine?
[08:49] <jager> btjunkie.com
[08:49] <csingley> thanks wolferine.  i mean, has anybody encountered this error, or have any suggestions for overcoming it?
[08:50] <nico_> oh that was supposed to be in ubuntu-effects
[08:51] <csingley> i was a bit surprised to find incompatibilites between mkinitramfs and any of the kernels
[08:51] <wolferine> csingley, if your going to post more than a line or two of text, you might consider pastebin
[08:51] <wolferine> rather than flooding the channel...
[08:51] <wolferine> !pastebin | csingley
[08:51] <ubotu> csingley: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[08:52] <csingley> apologies, and thanks.
[08:52] <csingley> is this a reasonable forum for asking this question?
[08:53] <wolferine> yes
[08:53] <wolferine> im just busy atm, so give me a bit, I can probably help
[08:53] <wolferine> MSN :)
[08:53] <haffi_> The upgrade wizard says that /boot doesn't have enough space... should I delete any old kernels or something?
[08:55] <csingley> wolferine, thanks.  here's a paste to apt-get debug output: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17671/
[08:55] <wolferine> csingley, can I ask, why not update to Feisty?
[08:56] <ferox> hi
[08:57] <ferox> i have kubuntu dapper
[08:57] <ferox> i would like tu upgrade to feisty
[08:57] <ferox> i founded an how-to for ubuntu
[08:57] <wolferine> ferox, should be an update in your upgrade manager
[08:59] <csingley> wolferine, i suppose i could update to feisty.  i probably will.  i'm just a raging incrementalist, and wanted to check out edgy first
[08:59] <wolferine> hehe
[08:59] <csingley> i'm still kind of kicking the tires on this dodgy 2.6 kernel...
[09:00] <ferox> wolferine: dist-upgrade doesn't work
[09:00] <wolferine> ferox, why is that, any errors?
[09:00] <haffi_> is it safe to delete older initrd images and vmlinuz kernel files from the /boot partition?
[09:01] <stdin> haffi_: yeah.
[09:01] <vbgunz> I had a horrible time upgrading to Feisty. maybe thats an overstatement but the upgrade did not want to work for me. incredibly I only needed to uninstall ipython and the upgrade then worked smoothly. then, even more incredible is, the upgrade is the best so far in overall performance.. just wow in speed all around :)
[09:01] <stdin> haffi_: but it's easier to just uninstall the packages
[09:01] <Mulo> hi
[09:01] <ferox> wolferine: no errors, but it doesn't propose any upgrade
[09:01] <haffi_> ok, how would I do thah?
[09:01] <wolferine> ferox, in the update manager?
[09:02] <ferox> shuold i add any repository for upgrade to edgy?
[09:02] <ubuntu_> I'm having problems installing Kubuntu 7.04.. When I alter partition table manually it says that I need a root partition.. What do I do?
[09:02] <stdin> haffi_: open adept and remove the "linux-image-(VERSION)" package you don't want
[09:02] <wolferine> csingley, try this site --> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=206992&page=15
[09:02] <ferox> wolferine: ferox@fer-B-ox:~$ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:02] <haffi_> ok, thanks
[09:03] <wolferine> ferox, you want to upgrade to Feisty correct?
[09:03] <ferox> wolferine: yes but first i think i should upgrade to edgy
[09:04] <wolferine> ferox, why?
[09:04] <ferox> wolferine: i don't know :)
[09:04] <wolferine> ferox, using KDE or Gnome?
[09:04] <wolferine> are you using*
[09:04] <ferox> wolferine: and so what shall i doto upgrade to feisty?
[09:04] <ferox> kde
[09:05] <wolferine> do you see the update manager ferox
[09:05] <ferox> adept....
[09:05] <wolferine> im on Gnome, so I am not positive
[09:05] <wolferine> but its called an update manager
[09:06] <fdoving> ferox: check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[09:06] <wolferine> thanks fdoving
[09:07] <ferox> i take a look
[09:07] <fdoving> ferox: if you're currently runing 6.06 (dapper) you need to first upgrade to 6.10 (edgy), then to 7.04 (feisty).
[09:07] <fdoving> jumping versions is not supported.
[09:08] <wolferine> ah you do, do you fdoving
[09:08] <wolferine> thanks for the info
[09:08] <ferox> fdoving: ok
[09:08] <csingley> wolferine:  thanks, i saw that website already.  i didn't find it very helpful.  the only concrete suggestion i found was to try recompiling the kernel without ACPI
[09:09] <csingley> i'd like to have more assurance that this is the problem before getting back into that sort of thing
[09:09] <csingley> it seems unlikely that any kernel would be incompatible with mkinitramfs...
[09:09] <piway> !fr
[09:09] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[09:09] <oliver> hello
[09:09] <Kubuntu> I'm using the nv driver and is having major troubles in games and Google earth, whay is wrong?
[09:10] <fdoving> Kubuntu: you want to checkout the fglrx driver.
[09:10] <oliver> I will sit back and help where I can
[09:10] <fdoving> !ati | kubuntu
[09:10] <ubotu> kubuntu: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:10] <wolferine> csingley, im thinking the more advanced ppl can help you than i
[09:11] <csingley> well thanks anyway wolverine; all help is much appreciated.
[09:11] <oliver> csingly: what was your problem
[09:11] <Kubuntu> I have a NVIDA GeForce fx 5500 card, should I still use fglrx?
[09:12] <csingley> oliver, i did a 'dist-upgrade' from dapper to edgy.  everything worked great, except the kernel image itself.  here's a paste of apt-get debug output: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17671/
[09:12] <tsdgeos> Kubuntu: no
[09:12] <Kubuntu> nd I don't have a fglrx driver
[09:13] <MajorApus> anyone know whow to edit the asound.conf to let both of my soundcards be used simultaneously for all sound output
[09:13] <Kubuntu> The ubuntu guide refers to programs I don't have.
[09:15] <Deeply> Hello?
[09:15] <Deeply> I'm running off the ubuntu cd, exploring this new to me OS
[09:15] <haffi_> the upgrade wizard still complains that I need 18 mbs of free space on /boot, but df -h says that I have 23 mbs free
[09:15] <Kubuntu> The ubuntu guide refers to programs I don't have. How can I then get the NVida geforce fx 5500 driver??
[09:16] <oliver> csingley: I had problems updates to edgy to feisty I had a similer problem I just install the whole OS from scratch
[09:16] <Deeply> my question is, how do I run programs I have installed on a windows partition even though I'm just running off the CD?
[09:16] <soulrider__> Kubuntu: youll have to install nvidia-glx
[09:16] <soulrider__> !nvidia | Kubuntu
[09:16] <ubotu> Kubuntu: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:16] <Kubuntu> How?
[09:16] <soulrider__> check out that guide
[09:17] <stdin> Kubuntu: the guide here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia tells you
[09:17] <Kubuntu> I told you, It refers to programs I don't have.
[09:17] <soulrider__> Deeply: linux wont run windows programs unless you use wine
[09:17] <Deeply> OK
[09:17] <stdin> Kubuntu: what ones exactly??
[09:17] <Deeply> so i have to look for that then
[09:17] <csingley> oliver: damn, i'm really hoping not to do that.  this is a laptop running on encrypted root & swap, with a bunch of custom ACPI & hot buttons stuff... thanks though, i may have to!
[09:17] <soulrider__> Deeply: its not a good idea to install stuff when using the live CD
[09:17] <Deeply> because if I can run VS.NET, i'd probably dump Windows
[09:17] <soulrider__> Deeply: i have to run that too
[09:18] <Kubuntu> System->administartor
[09:18] <Deeply> Soulrider: true, but I'm just exploring this for the first time today
[09:18] <soulrider__> Deeply: the best solution is to run VMWare
[09:18] <Kubuntu> GeForce FX 5500  0x0326
[09:18] <haffi_> the upgrade wizard still complains that I need 18 mbs of free space on /boot, but df -h says that I have 23 mbs free
[09:18] <soulrider__> Deeply:  dont you worry, linux isa  lot easier than it seems
[09:18] <soulrider__> !nvidia | Kubuntu
[09:18] <ubotu> Kubuntu: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:18] <Deeply> I downloaded and burned the CD last night, but just booted off it a few minutes ago
[09:18] <soulrider__> read that guide, ti will explain how to install the drivers Kubuntu
[09:18] <haffi_> what is the name of the partition manager in KDE?
[09:19] <soulrider__> Deeply: some things are different, but overall its quite easy to have a nice desktop system
[09:19] <soulrider__> haffi_: qtparted
[09:19] <Deeply> I'm so tired of Windows wanting to know what I had for breakfast every day.....
[09:19] <soulrider__> !software | Deeply kubuntu
[09:19] <ubotu> Deeply kubuntu: A general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents
[09:19] <oliver> csingley: I am sure some of the more experienced people here will be able to help you more than I can!
[09:19] <Deeply> true, some things are different, but I am willing to learn
[09:19] <soulrider__> lol Deeply windows sucks :P
[09:19] <soulrider__> Deeply:  check out that guide, its about how to install software on ubuntu
[09:19] <soulrider__> youll see how easy it is
[09:20] <soulrider__> its different, but easy!
[09:20] <wolferine> hey soulrider__ hows it going?
[09:20] <soulrider__> hey wolferine
[09:20] <Deeply> Windows has its uses, but I'm not sure I can wipe my windows partition yet
[09:20] <Kubuntu> What about me?
[09:20] <wolferine> Deeply, just one system at home?
[09:20] <Kubuntu> I don't have those programs, I still need the driver.
[09:20] <cheeseboy> any one know how to make fceultra fullscreen with no border?
[09:20] <Deeply> I've been working on a massive database program in VB.NET, and to start that from scratch would set me back about a year
[09:20] <soulrider> Deeply: i say you install ubuntu and start using it, force you to use it, not use widows for say 2 weeks, except wheny ou need VB .NET
[09:20] <soulrider> thats what i did, and i elarned really quick
[09:21] <wolferine> Deeply you could look at wine
[09:21] <soulrider> Deeply: you also have TONS of support here and in the forums
[09:21] <Deeply> Wolferine: AMD Athlon 64 3700+ 2 GB of RAM, with ATI X800 Pro PCI-Express video card
[09:21] <soulrider> Kubuntu: i told you to read the binary driver howto guide!
[09:21] <wolferine> Deeply, VMware
[09:21] <stdin> Kubuntu: open adept and install "nvidia-glx" then open konsole and type in "sudo nvidia-xconfig" that's it
[09:21] <Deeply> i'm running the 32 bit ubuntu because I could not get the 64 bit version to run
[09:21] <soulrider> yeah Deeply, i run vmware with a far worse PC, and it works like charm
[09:22] <csingley> Deeply, i still have a windows partition on my laptop.  haven't booted into it in 6 months or more.  i use VMWare to run business stuff that's windows-dependent.  works fairly well.
[09:22] <nico_> guys where is the famous windows migration tool in feisty where they were all bragging about
[09:22] <stdin> soulrider: the feisty guide is Gnome only atm, infact the whole page is
[09:22] <rtryhetrdfghdfgh> hello
[09:22] <soulrider> nico_: i think its in Ubuntu, not Kubuntu :(
[09:22] <wolferine> stdin, no, its not reall
[09:22] <wolferine> really*
[09:22] <csingley> thanks for the help wolferine & oliver
[09:22] <Deeply> well, I assume I'd have to change the partition size on this hard drive if I'm going to install Ubuntu
[09:22] <wolferine> np csingley
[09:22] <soulrider> Deeply: do you think you can give it 30 gb of space?
[09:22] <wolferine> Deeply, first, get access to partition magic
[09:23] <soulrider> thats more than enough to run vmware too, but just to be on the safe side, 30 GB is ok
[09:23] <Deeply> well, it's a 74 gig SATA drive
[09:23] <s17lans> ello
[09:23] <wolferine> Deeply, buy another drive?
[09:23] <soulrider> oh, its not that big
[09:23] <stdin> wolferine: have a read of it, it's very gnome centric
[09:23] <Deeply> I also have a 250 gig western digital IDE drive that is empty
[09:23] <ericsson> Anyone who could help me out with advices regarding automated backups?
[09:23] <soulrider> guys, you knwo of any distros i can use in an old ass PC? i dont think its even a pentium 3
[09:23] <s17lans> any1 here has used any dyndns updater in ubuntu ?
[09:23] <wolferine> stdin, its mostly cli
[09:23] <Deeply> and a 13 gig drive i have backups on
[09:23] <Kubuntu> How can I use a windows partion in linux?
[09:24] <haffi_> Has anyone heard about this problem I'm having before?
[09:24] <wolferine> Kubuntu, its in the ubuntu guide(google it)
[09:24] <vegan2> hi
[09:24] <soulrider> anyways, i gotta go study guys, Deeply if you want you can email me or something, pm me if you want my email
[09:24] <stdin> wolferine: not anymore it isn't
[09:24] <drewcipher> soulrider:  damn small linux is the best I've used for super slow Pc's.
[09:24] <wolferine> later soulrider
[09:24] <soulrider> drewcipher: great!
[09:24] <wolferine> stdin, since Feisty?
[09:24] <stdin> wolferine: the "Troubleshooting" part is
[09:24] <vegan2> how do i make it so i can write in a directory
[09:24] <Deeply> I also have a lot of GPS stuff I use
[09:24] <s17lans> any1 here has used any dyndns updater in ubuntu ?
[09:24] <csingley> haffi, it's a pretty strange.  have you tried remounting some other partition on top of your existing /boot and seeing if that works?
[09:24] <wolferine> s17lans, I use no-ip
[09:25] <Kubuntu> How can I remove windows partions (i do not have a browser)?
[09:25] <nails> Need help with Recordmydesktop: I am trying to record the sound that I am playing from amarok. I know that I am supposed to change some setting in Kmix to get it to record but I can't figure out which one it is. Anyone has experiance with this? Thanks
[09:25] <s17lans> works ok ?
[09:25] <wolferine> vegan2, you need to set permissions, or use sudo to write
[09:25] <stdin> wolferine: the only cli command on the page (besides Troubleshooting) is "sudo nvidia-xconfig"
[09:25] <wolferine> s17lans, i really just installed it today, but my address is used alot
[09:25] <csingley> ericsson, do you want to backup over the network or to an external drive or what?
[09:25] <vegan2> the file browser wont let me
[09:25] <wolferine> stdin, we talking about the same guide?
[09:25] <wolferine> lol
[09:25] <vegan2> how do i use sudo
[09:26] <vegan2> the directory is boot/grub
[09:26] <stdin> wolferine: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[09:26] <wolferine> vegan2, what are you trying to do
[09:26] <cheeseboy> any one know how to make fceultra fullscreen with no border?
[09:26] <vegan2> change the file menu.lst
[09:26] <wolferine> stdin, yes, sorry, I am refering to
[09:26] <wolferine> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty
[09:26] <Deeply> !google
[09:26] <ubotu> Google is a very popular search engine: http://www.google.com  -  Google also has a Linux-specific search engine: http://google.com/linux
[09:26] <wolferine> sorry
[09:26] <Deeply> !google vmware
[09:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about google vmware - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:26] <stdin> wolferine: ahh, that's not the one ubotu gives anyway :p
[09:26] <wolferine> vegan u use nano to edit files?
[09:27] <Deeply> OK
[09:27] <Deeply> still learning here....
[09:27] <wolferine> stdin, thats the one I always give :)
[09:27] <ericsson> csingley: I've tried to DVD-RW but it was to slow, been thinking to either USB flash memory or second server through SSH somehow..
[09:27] <stdin> vegan2: what do you want to change?
[09:27] <vegan2> gedit
[09:27] <wolferine> Deeply, its a bot that responded
[09:27] <Deeply> yes, I'm familiar with IRC
[09:27] <Deeply> :)
[09:27] <wolferine> vegan2, then do sudo gedit file_i_want_to_change
[09:27] <csingley> ericsson, i use SSH to another server.  that's the way to go.  use scp
[09:27] <vegan2> i want to eliminate some choices in grub, make it so there is no timeout, and maybe change the default
[09:27] <Deeply> so VMWare is what I need to run Windows then?
[09:28] <wolferine> vegan2, you want to do this, when a file as root permissions (sudo == root)
[09:28] <jeroenvrp> someone know how I set the timeout for the dhclient when using it on the command line?
[09:28] <stdin> vegan2: kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:28] <ericsson> Is it possible to SSH backups of mysql as well?
[09:28] <wolferine> vegan2, make sure your careful in what changes you make
[09:28] <wolferine> bbiab
[09:29] <ericsson> ericsson
[09:29] <vegan2> yes, thank you
[09:29] <csingley> ericsson: you bet!  there
[09:29] <csingley> is a program called mysqldump
[09:30] <ericsson> so scp and mysql dump would make backups of mysql, /var /usr e.t.c?
[09:31] <ericsson> Been trying to write a bash script with cron but no real joy there :) Would be brilliant if it could save me my hair by doing simple straightforward backups
[09:31] <csingley> ericsson:  mysqldump will dump your DB tables to flat text files.  take that, along with whatever else you want, and make a tarball (using tar program).  then scp the tarball to a remote server you have access to.
[09:31] <replman> Hi! I need some help sending emails via sendmail from my kubuntu machine. Anyone here knowing about sendmail?
[09:32] <molotova> du monde ?
[09:33] <ericsson> Would it be advisable to separate backups so that for instance Mysql files goes to USB flash drive and /usr and so on goes through SSH?
[09:33] <vegan2> will see if it works, thank you
[09:34] <RXVL> Can anyone here help me with Amarok?
[09:34] <Deeply> so where do I get this VMWare and is it free?
[09:34] <dettoaltrimenti_> what's up RXVL
[09:34] <stdin> !vmware
[09:34] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[09:34] <RXVL> I think i need the codecs for mp3s
[09:34] <RXVL> but I cant find them
[09:34] <RXVL> I tried google
[09:35] <stdin> RXVL: have you tried playing a mp3 file?
[09:35] <RXVL> yea
[09:35] <cps1966> !mp3
[09:35] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:35] <stdin> RXVL: what heppened?
[09:35] <dettoaltrimenti_> yeah rxvl- follow those links- it's a pretty simple procedure
[09:35] <molotova> all english ?
[09:35] <ericsson> csingley: are there any advantages in using SCP compared to RCP?
[09:35] <RXVL> mmk thanks, <3 Kubuntu btw, I just started using 7.04 yesterday
[09:36] <dettoaltrimenti_> tell your friends ;)
[09:36] <RXVL> i did, i lent 3 of them my live cd
[09:36] <stdin> !fr | molotova
[09:36] <ubotu> molotova: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[09:36] <molotova> merci bien :)
[09:36] <csingley> ericsson: no, i wouldn't bother with the USB (except as an extra copy).  youcould use rcp if it's just on the LAN, not over the internet, but why bother?  real men always use scp
[09:37] <mrdlouisd> how do i edit files with kate, everytime i try to it wont let me save them
[09:37] <pedro_> buonasera!!!!ho pasticciato con i driver ati ed non riesco piu ad accedere in modalita grafica!!!qualcuno mi puo' aiutare???
[09:37] <mrdlouisd> im used to gedit, but would like to give kate a try
[09:37] <cps1966> you need to do it as root
[09:37] <stdin> !it | pedro_
[09:37] <ubotu> pedro_: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[09:38] <csingley> ericsson, here's a script i use to dump mysql tables: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17681/
[09:38] <pedro_> ok!!thanks!!!
[09:38] <soulrider> mrdlouisd: kate rules!
[09:38] <mrdlouisd> thanks good ol sudo
[09:38] <stdin> mrdlouisd: don't use sudo with kate
[09:38] <stdin> mrdlouisd: use kdesu
[09:39] <stdin> !kdesu
[09:39] <ubotu> In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[09:39] <mrdlouisd> so what command would i use kdesu kate?
[09:39] <vbgunz> hello all, I have gview, gvim and gvimdiff installed. I don't remember installing them. I cannot apt-get remove them... I might have installed them manually or something a long time ago. Any clues on how to cleanly deinstall them?
[09:39] <stdin> mrdlouisd: yeah, just replace the word "sudo" with "kdesu" that's it
[09:39] <Deeply> soulrider: ok I've got a pen
[09:40] <mrdlouisd> alright ill have to remember that thanks guys
[09:40] <fdoving> vbgunz: where are they located? 'which gvim' in konsole will tell you the path. it's a good chance they are installed under /usr/local
[09:40] <ericsson> csingley: That could be quite interesting, I'll have to try that..
[09:40] <vbgunz> fdoving: /usr/bin/gvim
[09:40] <fdoving> vbgunz: 'dpkg -S /usr/bin/gvim'
[09:41] <soulrider> Deeply:  PM
[09:41] <csingley> ericsson: and for extra credit, here's a procedure i use to back up the important files on my laptop, encrypt them, and store them on a remote server over the internet via SSH:
[09:41] <Deeply> yes I replied
[09:41] <csingley> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17683/
[09:41] <vbgunz> fdoving: dpkg: /usr/bin/gvim not found.
[09:41] <Deeply> seems I have to register my nick or something
[09:41] <vbgunz> fdoving: :(
[09:42] <csingley> anyway, good luck i have to run
[09:42] <fdoving> vbgunz: ouch. then it's all installed to /usr without the package manager beeing told about it. that's not so nice. you can try to actually install gvim, and hope it'll overwrite your old files, then remove the paockage.
[09:42] <vbgunz> fdoving: I don't remember installing it and not sure why I wouldn't use a repo instead... I might have, it's not unusual
[09:42] <kmax> hello, I was wondering if it is possible setup kde/kdm to disable multiple local logins such as the option in gnome/gdm that does this?
[09:42] <vbgunz> fdoving: sounds like a plan
[09:42] <vbgunz> I will let you know
[09:43] <ericsson> csingley: lol, that's quite an encryption on top of that
[09:44] <csingley> ericsson, the remote server is a shared host.  i have sensitive information i need to back up.
[09:44] <vbgunz> fdoving: when I went to install gvim using apt-get, I got this: "Package gvim is a virtual package provided by: vim*"
[09:44] <stdin> kmax: not sure, ask in #kde
[09:45] <soulrider> Deeply: it would bea  good diea if you read the software guide before installing any software
[09:45] <soulrider> !software | Deeply
[09:45] <fdoving> vbgunz: ok, then gvim isn't around in your version of ubunt anymore. it's kind of out-dated. you can try to google for a package of it. or check packages.debian.org
[09:45] <ubotu> Deeply: A general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents
[09:45] <vbgunz> fdoving: maybe I never did install it, maybe it got installed through vim* or one of those
[09:45] <ericsson> I'm going to implement a university backupserver, but with my luck it will be me needing to backup the backups...
[09:45] <vbgunz> fdoving
[09:45] <vbgunz> sorry, ok :)
[09:45] <Deeply> OK I seem to have my nick registered
[09:45] <csingley> ericsson: also i just realized, those instructions were written for one of my servers, which is running gentoo not ubuntu.  obviously in ubuntu we don't use "emerge" to install packages, but rather "apt-get install"...
[09:45] <stdin> !register
[09:45] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[09:46] <ericsson> csingley: Yeah, I figured that already ;)
[09:47] <stdin> Deeply: basically you do "/msg NickServ REGISTER Password", then you can do "/msg NickServ IDENTIFY Password" to identify yourself
[09:47] <Deeply> yes I already did
[09:47] <csingley> ericsson: well have fun with that.  that encrypted remote backup setup works great for me.
[09:48] <bobstro> csingley: you copy the 5G encrypted filesystem each time?
[09:49] <ericsson> I'll give that a try tomorrow and see if I get my head around it, sounds like it really could be a good solution, combined with cron, hopefully that would be the end of my problems ;)
[09:49] <ericsson> csingley: Thank's a million for the help and advice, well appreciated...
[09:50] <csingley> ericsson: np, just read up on cryptsetup-luks, that's where all the magic is.  the rest of that is just standard rsync & scp, no big deal.
[09:50] <voicu> hmm, i don't get it... with the new kernel my partitions are named /dev/sda1 instead /dev/hda1. is this normal? if yes, why?
[09:50] <ericsson> ericsson
[09:51] <voicu>  /dev/sda1 instead of /dev/hda1
[09:51] <voicu> isn't sda made for serial drives?
[09:51] <stdin> voicu: it's normal, I'll grab you the explanation for it
[09:51] <pestilence> voicu: no, it's for scsi drives.
[09:52] <wolferine> back
[09:52] <voicu> scsi=serial?
[09:52] <pestilence> voicu: no.
[09:52] <stdin> voicu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks
[09:52] <pestilence> serial ATA drives also show up as /dev/sd drives
[09:52] <oyvind> Why dont kubuntu save my dns servers that i manual configurer?
[09:52] <wolferine> oyvind, doing it as sudo?
[09:53] <stdin> oyvind: using dhcp?
[09:53] <oyvind> yes
[09:53] <oyvind> no static
[09:53] <ericsson> Sometimes (often) you also get USB-sticks as /dev/sd*'s
[09:53] <voicu> ok... so is this happening only on kubuntu or on any os with that kernel version?
[09:53] <stdin> hmm, it should do
[09:53] <voicu> thanks stdin
[09:53] <stdin> voicu: any 2.6.20 kernel (afaik)
[09:54] <voicu> ok then
[09:54] <voicu> see ya
[09:54] <murat> how can i share files onto another pc thru ubuntu
[09:54] <wolferine> murat, windows, or not?
[09:54] <VincentMX> why isnt there any PowerPC version of Kubuntu able for ordering?
[09:54] <stdin> murat: a few ways: samba (windows shares), nfs, ssh, ftp, http...
[09:55] <murat> yes windows or stream onto my xbmc
[09:55] <stdin> !ppc | VincentMX
[09:55] <VincentMX> !ppc
[09:55] <ubotu> VincentMX: PowerPC.  Formerly used by Apple for the Macintosh line of computers. Variants are now used in popular gaming consoles. PPC was a fully supported Ubuntu architecture up to and including edgy. It is now a community port, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ
[09:55] <murat> xbmc= xbox
[09:55] <wolferine> not sure on the xbmc, but to share with windows, usually use samba
[09:55] <wolferine> murat, on the xbox, u use FTP usually
[09:55] <murat> is samba preinstalled on ubuntu
[09:56] <murat> wolferine id like to stream
[09:56] <wolferine> murat, can you mount the windows drive on you Xbox?
[09:56] <oyvind> I cant save any dns true kde nettwork settings or ip. When i maunal config the /etc/network/interfaces and resolv.conf, it wont accept the new config.
[09:56] <ericsson> ericsson
[09:56] <VincentMX> murat: samba client, not server
[09:56] <ericsson> Is it worth upgrading to 7.04 server or are there only minimal changes from 6.06 LTS?
[09:57] <wolferine> murat, actually, I am pretty sure you can
[09:57] <VincentMX> damn you, ubotu! ppc is not just mac and gameconsoles
[09:57] <murat> so samba is a app for ubuntu
[09:57] <csingley> hey guys, my apt skills aren't of the finest.  i have a need to install multiple verisons of gcc concurrently.  if possible, i'd like to do this through apt.  possible?  procedure?
[09:57] <wolferine> !samba | murat
[09:57] <ubotu> murat: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[09:57] <stdin> ericsson: only changes on the server edition are newer package versions and new kernel
[09:57] <VincentMX> also Pegasos, and newer Amigas
[09:57] <ericsson> ericsson
[09:57] <deppsche> CPU[AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 4600+ clocked at 1000.000 Mhz]   Kernel[Linux 2.6.20-15-generic i686]   Up[-24min-]   Mem[-729.949/3043.29MB-]   HDD[-454GB(46%used)-]   Procs[-143-]   Client[Konversation 1.0.1] 
[09:57] <VincentMX> Amiga pwns
[09:58] <stdin> ericsson: and better virtualisation support too
[09:58] <ericsson> so no real changes between 704 server and 606 server then?
[09:58] <VincentMX> deppsche: yeah right
[09:58] <LjL> csingley, "apt-cache search gcc | grep ^gcc"
[09:58] <Tm_T> LjL: funny hat you got
[09:58] <ericsson> stdin: don't want/need GUI :)
[09:58] <voicu> uh, one more question. what does that UUID represent? how do you get it and why is it any more useful if you know where your drives are located?
[09:58] <LjL> csingley: then to decide which version to use, export the variable CC, e.g. "export CC=gcc-3.4"
[09:58] <LjL> Tm_T: what? :o)
[09:58] <ericsson> ah..read visualization...sorry..
[09:58] <stdin> ericsson: didn't say anything about GUI, did i?
[09:58] <stdin> ahh :P
[09:58] <csingley> LjL will that clobber my old gcc, or leave it be?
[09:58] <ericsson> lol@tired me
[09:59] <Admiral_Chicago> voicu: it makes it a bit more dynamic iirc
[09:59] <stdin> ericsson: stick with the LTS version on the server
[09:59] <deppsche> Host/Kernel/OS "kubuntu-feisty" running Linux 2.6.20-15-generic i686 [ Ubuntu 7.04 ] 
[09:59] <deppsche> CPU Info       (1) AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 4600+ 512 KB cache flags( nx lm ) clocked at [ 1000.000 MHz ] 
[09:59] <deppsche>                (2) AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 4600+ 512 KB cache flags( nx lm ) clocked at [ 1000.000 MHz ] 
[09:59] <deppsche> Videocard      nVidia G70 [GeForce 7600 GT]   X.Org 7.2.0  [ 1280x1024 @60hz ] 
[09:59] <deppsche> Network cards  2x nVidia MCP55 Ethernet, at ports: b080 b000
[09:59] <deppsche> Processes 141 | Uptime 25min | Memory 728.387/3043.29MB | HDD ATA Maxtor 6L200M0,ATA Maxtor 7Y250M0 Size 454GB (46%used) | Client Konversation 1.0.1 | Infobash v2.50
[09:59] <stdin> !paste
[09:59] <Lynoure> ericsson: not only minimal changes, but whether it makes sense or not is up to you/your organisation to decide based on your use and the effort it takes to upgrade. I personally go for "if I do not know if I want to upgrade, then I prebably do not"
[09:59] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[09:59] <LjL> csingley: it will leave it be. this is not a general APT thing, it's specific to gcc: it comes in several version, with different packages that don't interfer with one another. that's because it's quite common for people to sometimes have to compile stuff with gcc 3
[10:00] <Tm_T> csingley: I usually have 3 versions of gcc
[10:01] <csingley> tks LjL & Tm_T
[10:02] <Daisuke_Ido> mornin'
[10:02] <ericsson> Lynoure: I want to upgrade since I enjoy tearing my hear apart, rest of organisation couldn't care less what versions the boxes are running
[10:02] <epimeth> ahoy folks!  been a while
[10:02] <ericsson> (tear hair even)
[10:02] <Lynoure> ericsson: then that is reason enough :)
[10:02] <epimeth> hows everyone doing?
[10:02] <wolferine> good thanks
[10:03] <wolferine> yourself epimeth ?
[10:03] <Lynoure> ericsson: I myself skipped edgy and then later went to alpha feisty instead :) It was fun.
[10:04] <danish> hi how can i get the ndisgtk for kubuntu
[10:04] <danish> nvm it came up in adept
[10:04] <ericsson> Upgrade for fun to feisty on my home machine, didn't take long for X to leave the building..
[10:04] <sergio_> alguien puede ayudarme
[10:05] <stdin> danish: you can run kde apps in gnome and vice-versa
[10:05] <dettoaltrimenti_> !es
[10:05] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[10:05] <ericsson> Lynoure: Alphas are fun, if there is a long holiday with lots of spare-time to come..
[10:05] <sergio_> y como lo hago ubotu
[10:06] <wolferine> anyone have triple monitors, or more?
[10:06] <RXVL> I used to
[10:06] <wolferine> !sp | sergio_
[10:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:06] <danish> i am glad kubuntu is extremely customizeable compared to ubuntu
[10:06] <ericsson> wolferine: I have five of them in the garage, but I guess that doesn't help..
[10:06] <dettoaltrimenti_> sergio, go to channel #kubuntu-es
[10:06] <Daisuke_Ido> !es | sergio_
[10:06] <ubotu> sergio_: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[10:06] <wolferine> thanks dettoaltrimenti_
[10:07] <wolferine> i have to study up country codes
[10:07] <wolferine> lol
[10:07] <Daisuke_Ido> language codes :)
[10:07] <ericsson> study cc's?
[10:07] <wolferine> :P
[10:07] <Daisuke_Ido> es, br, and it are the most common ones we get, with the occasional fr or de
[10:07] <ericsson> all you need is sw
[10:08] <ericsson> swahili that is..
[10:08] <wolferine> german
[10:08] <dettoaltrimenti_> you never get any ru, because the russian channel is awesome
[10:08] <Daisuke_Ido> wolferine: de = german :D
[10:09] <Ashex> how's it going guys?
[10:09] <wolferine> aj
[10:09] <Daisuke_Ido> swahili would be cool
[10:09] <wolferine> ops
[10:09] <wolferine> ahh
[10:09] <wolferine> thought de was denark
[10:09] <wolferine> denmark*
[10:09] <ericsson> otherwise this list could help: http://www.iso.org/iso/en/prods-services/iso3166ma/02iso-3166-code-lists/list-en1.html
[10:09] <Daisuke_Ido> i think that's dk
[10:09] <wolferine> ah
[10:10] <wolferine> spanish just throws me off all the time, there is no es in spanish :/
[10:10] <dettoaltrimenti_> is everyone here british or american?
[10:10] <ericsson> dettoaltrimenti_: no, not really..
[10:10] <wolferine> CND
[10:10] <Daisuke_Ido> doubtful
[10:10] <stdin> wolferine: what's spanish for spanish?
[10:10] <dettoaltrimenti_> am I the only russian
[10:10] <ericsson> espanol or something ;)
[10:10] <dettoaltrimenti_> espanol
[10:10] <wolferine> yeah
[10:10] <stdin> es ^
[10:10] <wolferine> :P
[10:11] <ericsson> dettoaltrimenti_: probably not, but it look's that way right now..
[10:11] <dettoaltrimenti_> where are you guys from
[10:12] <Daisuke_Ido> offtopic, but a decade later, it STILL hurts to think about how bad sheryl crow butchered d'yer mak'er :(
[10:12] <ericsson> fi, se, gb, no, dk and de
[10:12] <wolferine> Daisuke_Ido, lmao
[10:12] <wolferine> alot of the Zep tunes werent that good
[10:12] <Daisuke_Ido> wolferine: i'm ripping encomium (the zep tribute album) and while there were a few gems, it's mostly blah
[10:12] <wolferine> listen to Singles soundtrack, battle of evermore
[10:12] <ericsson> Daisuke_Ido: Thank's for trying to keep offtopic since we're not on it
[10:13] <wolferine> that was a good cover
[10:13] <wolferine> who does that track on encomium
[10:13] <Daisuke_Ido> battle of evermore?  it's not even on the album
[10:14] <wolferine> oh, i thought someone did it again
[10:14] <wolferine> STP one was good
[10:14] <wolferine> is*
[10:14] <Daisuke_Ido> dancing days, yeah.  and duran duran did a good job with thank you
[10:14] <wolferine> agreed
[10:14] <bobleny> !kde | bobleny
[10:15] <nu> hello
[10:16] <bobleny> Hi
[10:16] <nu> i'm having this issue with ntfs partition automounting
[10:16] <Daisuke_Ido> !ntfs
[10:16] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[10:16] <RXVL> How do I open Terminal?
[10:16] <nu> thanks, but it's a little weirder :)
[10:16] <Daisuke_Ido> RXVL: alt+f2 and type konsole
[10:17] <Deeply> !wine
[10:17] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[10:17] <wolferine> nu, what are you using to mount it?
[10:17] <nu> i can mount it manually no prob
[10:17] <nu> with basic ntfs, or ntfs-3g
[10:17] <nu> no probs
[10:17] <nu> my only issue is ...
[10:17] <nu> it doesnt get automounted
[10:17] <nu> like, i stick an usb drive in
[10:17] <wolferine> nu then edit your fstab, then sudo mount -a
[10:17] <nu> formatted with ntfs
[10:17] <nu> and it doesnt get mounted
[10:17] <stdin> nu: post your fstab to pastebin please
[10:17] <wolferine> to confirm the mount takes
[10:18] <nu> ok wait a moment, i dont want the entries in my fstab
[10:18] <wolferine> your mount command isnt getting carried into your fstab properly
[10:18] <nu> say i pick a pendrive, and want to mount it
[10:18] <wolferine> nu, no fstab, ok
[10:18] <nu> there's no matching entry for that specific disk/partition in my fstab
[10:18] <nu> and i want it that way
[10:18] <nu> so i was thinking
[10:18] <nu> just like vfat gets automounted
[10:19] <wolferine> nu, what mount command?
[10:19] <nu> no mount command, as i said, i can mount it manually no prob, i was just wondering why it doesnt get automounted when i plug it in
[10:19] <nu> whereas the same pendrive, formatted as vfat, does
[10:19] <wolferine> its ntfs
[10:19] <wolferine> :)
[10:19] <nu> it's by design, you mean ? :)
[10:19] <nu> ntfs wont get automounted ?
[10:20] <nu> i get your typical "open / do nothing" etc dialog
[10:20] <Daisuke_Ido> why ntfs for a thumbdrive anyway?
[10:20] <Daisuke_Ido> massive overhead
[10:20] <wolferine> hehe
[10:20] <nu> but when i click "open", it wont open it
[10:20] <nu> and it wont mount it at ALL
[10:20] <wolferine> mount it, to open it
[10:20] <bobbyd> hi
[10:20] <nu> it's not just one pendrive, that's the basic example, it does the same on a mixed partitions external disk drive
[10:20] <nu> with reiserfs one one partition, and ntfs on another
[10:20] <bobbyd> does anyone have the VPN configuration in knetworkmanager working?
[10:21] <wolferine> nu, usb issues perhaps?
[10:21] <nu> wolferine, sounds weird...why would it mount nicely any other FS ?
[10:21] <nu> EXCEPT ntfs ?
[10:21] <nu> and it does it with ntfs-3g as well
[10:21] <bobbyd> I installed the pptp stuff but when I click VPN Connections -> Configure VPN it doesn nothing...
[10:21] <nu> i repeat, mount=automount
[10:21] <pestilence> bobbyd: the answer to that is invariably yes, so just ask your question ;)
[10:22] <danish> why won't ndisgtk run on kubuntu
[10:22] <dettoaltrimenti_> nu- you probably have to edit your fstab in order for it to automount
[10:22] <nu> i could indeed, but i happen to connect different pendrives, not always the same
[10:23] <nu> several partition orders etc
[10:23] <nu> i'm a bit anal about that
[10:23] <nu> i want it to automount, when i'm in kde
[10:23] <bobbyd> pestilence: I stated my problem, is that good enough? :)
[10:23] <nu> :P
[10:23] <wolferine> nu, thought you said it didnt mount reiser very well either?
[10:23] <nu> nope, it does automount it finely
[10:23] <pestilence> bobbyd: it's a step in the right direction :-D
[10:24] <nu> it's just ntfs
[10:24] <nu> :|
[10:24] <wolferine> ah
[10:24] <wolferine> well, there is your answer
[10:24] <nu> you think i should go about reinstalling ntfs basic modules as well ?
[10:24] <Ashex> I recall reading an article about setting up automounting ntfs as rw...
[10:24] <Ashex> !ntfs
[10:24] <nu> reinstalling ntfs-3g didnt help
[10:24] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
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[10:24] <wolferine> hehe
[10:24] <famine> aww :(
[10:24] <nu> eheh
[10:24] <henning> hello hallo
[10:25] <bobleny> Hey, I can't login to my linux drive. I get this message, "Xsession: warning: unable to write to /temp; x session may exit with an error", it then sends me back to the login in screen... What do I do?
[10:25] <wolferine> bobbyd, you cannot start X
[10:25] <dettoaltrimenti_> nu are you sure your fstab doesn't have the 'noauto' option?
[10:25] <wolferine> bobbyd, did you just change your xorg.conf around?
[10:26] <nu> i'm sure there's no entry for /dev/sdb1 (which is the pendrive ntfs partition i'm testing right now) in my fstab
[10:26] <wolferine> nu, can you just add it into your fstab, to amuse us all
[10:26] <nu> ahah
[10:26] <wolferine> u seem capable :)
[10:26] <wolferine> hehe
[10:26] <pestilence> bobleny: is the drive full?
[10:27] <bobleny> wolfyd: No, I havn't
[10:27] <wolferine> bobbyd, do you dump your /tmp dir on boot/reboot?
[10:27] <Ashex> !ntfs-3g > me
[10:27] <nu> i can add it to fstab, and check if it mounts automatically
[10:27] <wolferine> nu :)
[10:27] <nu> hold on while i log onto irc from kub
[10:27] <bobleny> pestilence, /etc was full for a couple minutes
[10:27] <nu> brb
[10:28] <pestilence> bobleny: but /tmp isn't full now?
[10:28] <bobleny> wolfyd: not that I know of...
[10:28] <Ashex> kub, what's the issue at hand?
[10:28] <bobleny> pestilence, I don't think so...
[10:28] <surgy> im trying to compile pcsx2 and im having the following problem/problems: im running kubuntu feisty and i have jhust read install.txt, it says to run the script "build.sh all" and i did that and got the following errors: http://www.pastebin.ca/458312
[10:28] <wolferine> bobbyd, then maybe your drive is, in fact, full
[10:28] <sredna> in the 2058734+6983476+48789628+94832084736208756+78657 packages everything in debian is split into, which is providing what other distros keep in 'openssl-devel'?
[10:29] <bobbyd_> pestilence: I also keep getting kicked from IRC :)
[10:29] <wolferine> bobbyd, try df -Th
[10:29] <Ashex> er
[10:29] <dettoaltrimenti_> nu: /dev/sdb1 /media/usb auto 0 0
[10:29] <Ashex> nu, what's the issue at hand?
[10:29] <pestilence> bobbyd_: bummer.
[10:29] <nuu> there
[10:29] <wolferine> bobbyd, how are you getting onto irc, if you arent able to get into X
[10:29] <bobleny> I tried to create a 10 gig truecrypt volume in /etc. I couldn't finish because I ran out of room. I deleted the volume afterwards...
[10:30] <wolferine> bobbyd, two systems?
[10:30] <bobbyd_> wolferine: you're talking to the wrong person I think :)
[10:30] <wolferine> ops
[10:30] <pestilence> surgy: have you installed build-essential?  you seem to be missing autoconf and automake
[10:30] <stdin> surgy: seems you need the packages "aclocal", "automake" and "autoconf"
[10:30] <wolferine> i am, sorry bobbyd
[10:30] <bobbyd_> wolferine: and you can use irssi to get irc from the console...
[10:30] <dettoaltrimenti_> nuu: /dev/sdb1 /media/usb ntfs-3g auto 0 0 if that doesn't work
[10:30] <surgy> pestilence: is build-essential a package?
[10:30] <LjL> surgy: yes
[10:30] <pestilence> surgy: indeed
[10:30] <Ashex> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[10:31] <nuu> i wanna try basic ntfs, not ntfs-3g yet
[10:31] <stdin> pestilence: autoconf/automake aren't part of b-e
[10:31] <surgy> pestilence: and that should fix my problem?
[10:31] <nuu> beside i've uninstalled -3g
[10:31] <Ashex> yes, they are
[10:31] <nuu> anyway, just a sec, lemme put it back into fstab
[10:31] <bobleny> wolferine: yes, I have two HDD on this computer, one windows on kubuntu
[10:31] <Ashex> autoconf and automake are. build-essential depends on them
[10:31] <surgy> stdin: then whast do i need?
[10:32] <pestilence> surgy: most likely.
[10:32] <stdin> Ashex: nope, I installed b-e and I still had to grab automake/autoconf
[10:32] <nuu> btw dettoaltrimenti_: i may be wrong, but dont you have to specify "noauto" in fstab when you don't want it to be mounted at boot, whereas "auto" is implied ?
[10:32] <Last_Hero> anyone else get "Connection Refused" when trying to use Mozilla Thunderbird to connect to webmail? (hotmail specifically)
[10:32] <stdin> surgy: just sudo apt-get install them
[10:32] <wolferine> bobleny, so you want to look at your drives space
[10:33] <Ashex> stdin, odd, I usually have the make tools after build-essential
[10:33] <dettoaltrimenti_> nuu auto is implied, but it doesn't hurt to force it if it's not working
[10:33] <surgy> stdin: ok
[10:33] <pestilence> surgy: stdin is right, apt-get install autoconf and automake
[10:33] <lee_> this may sound stupid but i kind of can't move my Konversation window because the top tab disappeared. how do i get that tab back?
[10:33] <pestilence> surgy: but you will need build-essential as well.
[10:33] <Ashex> ah
[10:33] <bobleny> wolferine: "fdisk -l" ?
[10:34] <Ashex> stdin, I was wrong
[10:34] <Ashex> I stand corrected
[10:34] <nuu> ok...even though hald shouldnt worry about fstab reporting any auto/noauto option when being forced to mount by user's choice once you plug the drive in
[10:34] <nuu> as that should matter only at boot time
[10:34] <nuu> i'll follow your advice nevertheless
[10:34] <sredna> in the 2058734+6983476+48789628+94832084736208756+78657 packages everything in debian is split into, which is providing what other distros keep in 'openssl-devel'?
[10:34] <Ashex> lee_, I think it's alt+F3
[10:34] <wolferine> bobleny, gf -Th
[10:35] <surgy> ok i did that and it started to build
[10:35] <Ashex> sredna, eh?
[10:35] <surgy> but now i get this
[10:35] <surgy> callbacks.c:5:21: error: gtk/gtk.h: No such file or directory
[10:35] <stdin> sredna: probably libssl-dev
[10:35] <sredna> stdin: how insanely logical :o -- and thank you
[10:35] <bobleny> wolferine: should I do any thing else while I'm there?
[10:35] <stdin> sredna: :)
[10:36] <Ashex> surgy, you might need libgtk2.0-dev
[10:36] <sredna> that is in fact installed
[10:36] <sredna> bye :)
[10:36] <Ashex> surgy, also, check the dev's website to see what is required to compile
[10:36] <nuu> ok, i can tell from kern.log that the drive gets recognized
[10:36] <Ashex> it sounds like you didn't check, which is why you're getting errors
[10:36] <nuu> no automount, no popup
[10:36] <nuu> lemme mount it manually
[10:36] <wolferine> bobbyd, you want to see if your /etc is full
[10:37] <nuu> works
[10:37] <wolferine> if it is, that explains the error
[10:37] <wolferine> sorry bobbyd
[10:37] <surgy> Ashex: i did and i thought i had it all
[10:37] <wolferine> :/
[10:37] <nuu> same prob as before :|
[10:37] <wolferine> bobleny, those posts were for you
[10:37] <dettoaltrimenti_> nuu, any errors when you mount it?
[10:37] <nuu> nop
[10:37] <nuu> all smooth and fine
[10:37] <ricach> hello, I am a kubuntu newbie. My Logitech camera was successfully tested under ekiga, but I cant see any picture.Can you help?
[10:37] <ericsson> ericsson
[10:37] <nuu> i can read it no prob
[10:37] <nuu> of course i mount it from root
[10:37] <Ashex> surgy, you might have missed one
[10:38] <stdin> !webcam
[10:38] <nuu> i can try specifying ,user in the fstab options and mount it from non-su
[10:38] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[10:38] <Ashex> I've done that in the past >_>
[10:38] <nuu> if you want
[10:38] <dettoaltrimenti_> nuu, try to add the option 'user'
[10:38] <nuu> k
[10:38] <nuu> sec
[10:38] <surgy> Ashex: let me try it after this gtk and see
[10:38] <bobleny> wolferine: OK, I'll be back...
[10:38] <ricach> Thx for your quick help. Great
[10:39] <nuu> ok, automounting works finely now
[10:39] <dettoaltrimenti_> alright, great
[10:39] <nuu> why wont it automount without an fstab entry, though ?
[10:40] <bart_> hi folks
[10:40] <nuu> i dont want an fstab entry
[10:40] <dettoaltrimenti_> fstab is the file that deals with automatically mounting your drives
[10:40] <surgy> ok well seams to have fixed the one error, now i have about 4 more: http://www.pastebin.ca/458337
[10:40] <nuu> that's not entirely correct
[10:40] <nuu> automatically mounting works fine without an fstab entry
[10:40] <dettoaltrimenti_> ricach- are you getting any errors?
[10:41] <nuu> for disks formatted with other filesystems
[10:41] <nuu> other than ntfs, that is
[10:41] <nuu> this is the only issue i've got as i said earlier
[10:41] <wolferine> nuu, editing fstab work?
[10:41] <dettoaltrimenti_> nuu- if you believe that, then delete your fstab, and restart
[10:42] <dettoaltrimenti_> nuu- but don't actually do that, because your computer would explode
[10:42] <nuu> dettoaltrimenti_: i know full well how fstab works :) and it's rather obvious that my root/swap partitions wouldnt get mounted that way
[10:42] <FOSSR0CKS> lol.
[10:42] <FOSSR0CKS> =)
[10:42] <nuu> now please would you read my question ? :)
[10:42] <wolferine> hehe
[10:42] <wolferine> nuu, read my question :)
[10:42] <nuu> i'm just new at how kde handles automounting
[10:42] <ericsson> ericsson
[10:43] <nuu> or rather
[10:43] <nuu> at how kde interfaces to hald for when it comes to automounting
[10:43] <nuu> not new at linux :)
[10:43] <ericsson> ericsson
[10:44] <Last_Hero> damn, I seem to off accidentally blocked my own internet access via Firestarter : /
[10:44] <nuu> all i'm asking, is why reiserfs mounts without an fstab entry, while ntfs doesnt
[10:44] <nuu> that's it, period :)
[10:44] <dettoaltrimenti_> ok sorry nuu
[10:44] <nuu> reiserfs, or vfat, or whatever other fs i have at hand
[10:45] <dettoaltrimenti_> nuu- the defaults include an option that automatically detects the file system, and it might detect the file system as 'ntfs' instead of 'ntfs-3g'- that's a posibility
[10:45] <nuu> now that's talking :)
[10:45] <nuu> where are these defaults stored ?
[10:46] <RXVL> I still need help with getting MP3s to play in Amarok, can anyone guide me please? I'm a total Kubuntu noob.
[10:46] <ericsson> !kubuntubread
[10:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kubuntubread - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:46] <ericsson> bah...
[10:46] <wolferine> RXVL, press play?
[10:46] <nuu> btw bear in mind i uninstalled ntfs-3g
[10:46] <graft> does anyone here use guidance power manager?
[10:46] <nuu> i can reinstall it and let you know if it helps though
[10:46] <Last_Hero> RXVL #amarok
[10:46] <dettoaltrimenti_> I mean if you don't write any options, nuu- you know we wrote 'ntfs-3g user', the default would be 'auto user'
[10:46] <RXVL> I need to get the codecs for it
[10:46] <RXVL> thanks
[10:47] <roadfish> when should I install an "OpenGL-enabled" package vs the regular package. for example, stratagus vs stratagus-gl. How can I tell if I should run the OpenGL version?
[10:47] <oliver> hello
[10:48] <nuu> but dettoaltrimenti_: in case the system automatically detected the partition as "ntfs", it'd still have to mount it
[10:48] <nuu> on the other hand, i can try reinstalling ntfs-3g because the other way around might be happening
[10:48] <Daisuke_Ido> my guess would be that if you can do opengl, install the opengl version, as it's likely to take advantage of the 3d acceleration, and therefore theoretically run faster
[10:49] <nuu> since i uninstalled ntfs-3g, the system might recognize the partition as ntfs-3g now
[10:49] <nuu> and not being able to load the appropriate module for the filesystem, mount fails
[10:49] <stdin> roadfish: the openGL version can use Direct Rendering
[10:49] <nuu> i can try
[10:49] <dettoaltrimenti_> you could try it, couldn't hurt
[10:49] <oliver> are there any programs like fireworks and dreamweaver
[10:49] <nuu> yep i will, thanks for the idea, brb
[10:49] <Daisuke_Ido> oliver: nvu, bluefish
[10:49] <dettoaltrimenti_> oliver- nvu
[10:49] <oliver> thanks
[10:49] <Daisuke_Ido> vi ;)
[10:49] <roadfish> is there any hardware evaluation tool that will tell if I can do OpenGl?
[10:50] <dettoaltrimenti_> hey, does anyone here use a separate CSS editing program?
[10:50] <tuco> I finally managed to get the wireless connection working! Geeeez. I have downloaded and installed the Ati drivers, how can I get a resolution of 1280x800 displayed now please?
[10:50] <dettoaltrimenti_> roadfish- glxinfo
[10:51] <dettoaltrimenti_> roadfish better yet, glxinfo | grep direct
[10:51] <roadfish> dettoaltrimenti_ (and everyone else): thanks
[10:51] <dettoaltrimenti_> np
[10:52] <Last_Hero> tuco, check the display settings
[10:53] <oliver> can'tyou edit css in bluefish?
[10:53] <dettoaltrimenti_> tuco- you have to edit xorg.conf if the option doesn't show up in system settings/display
[10:53] <dettoaltrimenti_> I've never used bluefish, just used nvu
[10:53] <nuu> dettoaltrimenti_: would you recommend installing ntfs-3g from automatix ?
[10:53] <dettoaltrimenti_> nuu I'd do it from adept, but they're pretty much all the same
[10:54] <tuco> that is what I am doing fellas. Why make it easy when you can make it complicated with ATI mi amor!
[10:54] <nuu> alright
[10:54] <nuu> i'll do it from apt-get
[10:54] <nuu> :P
[10:54] <nuu> right, it's done
[10:54] <tuco> this is for gnome: gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf what will it be for KDE?
[10:54] <nuu> Users from 'fuse' group can now mount NTFS volume.
[10:55] <nuu> i'll usermod -aG myself into fuse
[10:55] <Daisuke_Ido> tuco: kdesu kate
[10:55] <nuu> so that it should DEFINITELY work !
[10:55] <tuco> I told you so hey ;-)
[10:55] <dettoaltrimenti_> nuu sounds good
[10:55] <nuu> right, i'm into it
[10:55] <nuu> fstab entry removed
[10:56] <dettoaltrimenti_> tuco- kdesu kate
[10:56] <nuu> fingers crossed, connecting pendrive :)
[10:56] <Daisuke_Ido> however, instead of manually editing xorg.conf for that, i'd recommend using sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:56] <dettoaltrimenti_> tuco but be careful, make a backup copy first- are you reading a HOW TO guide?
[10:56] <nuu> popup is here.....
[10:56] <nuu> damnit, nothin
[10:56] <nuu> didnt mount it
[10:56] <tuco> yes sir
[10:56] <aldin> chelsea 1:0 liverpool!!!
[10:56] <pattieja> nutshell42, thanks for the focusing my attention on NFS, yesterday
[10:56] <tuco> Let me start the lappy now
[10:57] <nuu> hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[10:57] <nuu> hold on a sec
[10:57] <Tm_T> !offtopic | aldin
[10:57] <ubotu> aldin: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[10:57] <nuu> could it be that
[10:57] <zirxx> aa
[10:57] <nuu> fuse can't write to /media
[10:57] <dettoaltrimenti_> nuu- either uninstall if it worked that way, or also install ntfs-config and run the program and answer the questions
[10:57] <nuu> fuse group, i mean
[10:57] <nuu> so in theory
[10:57] <nuu> if i give fuse (group) write permission to /media
[10:57] <nuu> it oughta be able to create the mountpoint
[10:57] <nuu> to where it should finally automount my volume
[10:57] <pattieja> nutshell42, I am now able to login using my NFS mounted home directory
[10:57] <nuu> will try, brb
[10:57] <aldin> nuu: sudoa pt-get install ntfs-config
[10:58] <nuu> aldin: ntfs-config will only configure your static drives afaik
[10:58] <Daisuke_Ido> okay, this cd is too far gone to recover :\
[10:58] <aldin> nuu and after that in konsole type sudo ntfs-config
[10:58] <pattieja> nutshell42, I had to install the 'nfs-common' package in order for things to be happy
[10:58] <nuu> i'm trying to generalize this
[10:58] <nuu> i want it to automount any ntfs device i throw at it
[10:58] <nuu> not just ntfs-config'ed ones
[10:58] <aldin> nuu: ok
[10:58] <esaym> what is the default security type for ssh?
[10:58] <nuu> sec, i'll try the fuse way
[10:58] <esaym> 3des 256bit?
[10:58] <nuu> remounting / with acl, and setfacl g:fuse:rwx to /media
[10:59] <graft> esaym: rsa, usually
[10:59] <graft> esaym: or do you mean session keys
[11:00] <oliver> when you install programs with wine where do they install to?
[11:00] <ben__> hello
[11:01] <ben__> efnet
[11:01] <esaym> graft: I don't know,  I was actually wondering if the encryption offload feature of this netcard would work with ssh: http://www.3com.com/products/en_US/detail.jsp?tab=prodspec&sku=3CR990B-97&pathtype=purchase
[11:01] <DaSkreech> No
[11:01] <DaSkreech> Freenode
[11:01] <DaSkreech>  :)
[11:01] <dettoaltrimenti_> oliver- /home/user/.wine
[11:01] <dettoaltrimenti_> hey daskreech
[11:01] <nuu> no luck
[11:01] <graft> esaym: you know how ssh works, right? or how all public-key encryption works?
[11:01] <DaSkreech> hi dettoaltrimenti_
[11:02] <nuu> gave myself and fuse group full access to /media
[11:02] <nuu> still nothing
[11:02] <esaym> graft: I thought I did, but now I am thinking different....
[11:03] <dettoaltrimenti_> I have a question I've been asking all day- I want mocp to run when I click on mp3s, and I want it to use the command line arguments '-acp': is it possible to do this? If I try 'open with,,,' and write 'mocp -acp' it doens't work
[11:03] <rigao> i have a problem with Kubuntu 7.0.4. When i boot it i get the msg 'cant access tty'. Any idea?
[11:03] <DaSkreech> dettoaltrimenti_: did you check run in a terminal
[11:03] <graft> esaym: hmm, well i don't know what this security offloading you want to use is, so i dunno if i can help with that...
[11:04] <dettoaltrimenti_> daskreech yes
[11:04] <graft> esaym: but ssh by default uses RSA 768-bit host keys and 256-bit 3DES session keys
[11:04] <nuu> i may be wrong but do you need to specify a %s, or whatever kde uses, where the filename goes, in the open with line ?
[11:04] <dettoaltrimenti_> hmmmm
[11:05] <ben__> so guys this is my first time in here and i have no idea what is going on
[11:05] <dettoaltrimenti_> where should I put the % nuu?
[11:05] <DaSkreech> ben__: This is a group chat room
[11:05] <DaSkreech> ben__: Why were you asking for efnet ?
[11:05] <nuu> well typically just where the filename would go, if you were to open it from command line
[11:06] <esaym> graft: thanks for to info.  The problem I have is the max speed I can get through my webserver is 3.6MBS because the encryption calculation maxes the 450mhz cpu.....
[11:06] <nuu> that is, say you can successfully run "mocp -acp blah.mp3" from commandline
[11:06] <ben__> oh i didn't know what was going on at all
[11:06] <nuu> i'd try "mocp -acp %s" from a generic "open with" box
[11:06] <oliver> cya later everyone
[11:06] <DaSkreech> ben__: this is a support channel for Kubuntu if you have a problem then you can ask here
[11:06] <graft> esaym: hrmm... shouldn't... the whole point of stream ciphers are they're really fast
[11:07] <nuu> so as to make the exec handler fill the %s in with the filename you're running the "open with" command on
[11:07] <DaSkreech>  If you just want to chat please join the off topic room
[11:07] <ben__> DaSkreech: oh i gotcha... thanks man
[11:07] <DaSkreech> !offtopic | ben__
[11:07] <ubotu> ben__: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[11:07] <dettoaltrimenti_> still doesn't work
[11:07] <bill> hi
[11:07] <nuu> compare with any other "open with" box, do you notice escape sequences or something ?
[11:07] <nuu> i've no idea how kde handles it
[11:08] <dettoaltrimenti_> no idea- all I know is that it isn't reading the arguments- because it works when I manually type it in the ocmmand line
[11:08] <lee_> Is there something even better than Beryl?
[11:08] <esaym> graft: well ssh maxes the cpu.  Uploading unencrypted like through ftp yields speeds of 10MBS vs 3.6
[11:09] <nuu> you could try a dirtier way
[11:09] <dettoaltrimenti_> lee_ yeah, vista.
[11:09] <dettoaltrimenti_> lee_ hah, just kidding!
[11:09] <lee_> haha, good one.
[11:09] <lee_> seems like i saw some video on youtube that was demoing some fancy version of beryl
[11:10] <Deeply> heh
[11:10] <nuu> dettoaltrimenti_: try these buncha commands
[11:10] <Deeply> lots of experimentation
[11:10] <nuu> echo "mocp -acp %1" > /usr/local/bin/mymocp
[11:10] <nuu> chmod +x /usr/local/bin/mymocp
[11:10] <Deeply> note to self: wine does not like google earth :)
[11:10] <snap> beryl is just a fork of a bigger program....forget the name starts w/ a C
[11:10] <nuu> and pick /usr/local/bin/mymocp from the "Open With" dialog
[11:10] <graft> esaym: that seems really wrong to me
[11:10] <fabian__> does somebody know the name of the german channel?
[11:11] <dettoaltrimenti_> ehhh
[11:11] <dettoaltrimenti_> !de
[11:11] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[11:11] <graft> esaym: ssh should never use that much CPU to do its thing
[11:11] <graft> esaym: what are you copying?
[11:11] <fabian__> okay,thank xou !
[11:11] <esaym> graft: the cpu is an amd k6-2+ @450mhz.  Maybe amd back  then just sucks??
[11:12] <nuu> dettoaltrimenti_: if that wont work, try putting these lines in that mymocp file:
[11:12] <nuu> #!/bin/sh
[11:12] <nuu> mocp -acp $1
[11:12] <graft> esaym: could be, but i've used it on equally crappy boxes with no problem
[11:12] <esaym> graft: the webserver has torrentflux installed on it.  I copy large iso's back and forth between it using scp
[11:12] <nuu> in case that wont work either, do a "which mocp" and put the full pathname instead of "mocp" in the file
[11:12] <esaym> graft: really?  hmm
[11:12] <esaym> graft: whats was the process usage of ssh?
[11:13] <dettoaltrimenti_> i can't find mymocp
[11:13] <graft> esaym: well on my lappy it's like 6% tops... granted my laptop is a 1GHz celeron or some such, but still
[11:13] <nuu> you should create it
[11:13] <esaym> graft: the same happens copying files to my 350mhz PII firewall box
[11:13] <nuu> from scratch
[11:13] <nuu> that will be your replacement script for starting mocp
[11:13] <nuu> in the "open with" dialog
[11:13] <graft> esaym: hrm any weird options in ~/.ssh/config?
[11:13] <nuu> mymocp being a shell script that just invokes mocp, with the -acp option you wanted
[11:14] <esaym> graft: no it is just stock.  using ssh by itself yields about 2MBS through put.  I can get up to 3.6MBS using the 'blowfish' encryption cipher
[11:16] <makuseru> how can i view a page that says its for "IE only" without installing IE and using Wine?
[11:16] <graft> makuseru: you can fake your useragent string, probably
[11:16] <esaym> graft: maybe the laptop has a 3com card with offload features? ;)
[11:16] <graft> esaym: nope
[11:16] <esaym> oh :(
[11:16] <graft> esaym: this is over wireless
[11:16] <makuseru> graft: huh
[11:17] <esaym> graft: and you can get the full speed of ethernet?
[11:18] <bobleny> Wolferine: You there?
[11:18] <wolferine> bobleny, yep
[11:18] <wolferine> how did it go?
[11:18] <bobleny> It didn't
[11:18] <wolferine> oh?
[11:18] <wolferine> so its not full?
[11:18] <bobleny> I was unable to determine the size
[11:18] <wolferine> hmm
[11:18] <wolferine> do you know about ttyl?
[11:18] <Eruantalon> !squashfs
[11:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about squashfs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:19] <graft> esaym: ... no idea, dunno how fast 11G is supposed to be
[11:19] <bobleny> Talk to you later?
[11:19] <Eruantalon> anyone know what squashfs is?
[11:19] <wolferine> bobleny, no, you can open a terminal
[11:19] <wolferine> bobleny, you press ctrl-alt-F*
[11:19] <bobleny> wolferine: From where?
[11:20] <wolferine> where F* is a key at the top of your keyboard, either F1-F6
[11:20] <graft> esaym: my wireless claims 36Mb/s - i get 2MB/s with ssh, which allowing for overhead probably means i'm at a little over half capacity
[11:20] <wolferine> this will open a terminal
[11:20] <wolferine> in the terminal, you will be able to check for errors, check your HD space, etc...
[11:20] <bobleny> wolferine: I don't know how...
[11:20] <wolferine> bobleny, i just told you :)
[11:21] <lee_> If I installed some type of nVidia drivers to get Beryl working, will it still work as well if I play Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory?
[11:21] <wolferine> lee_, u probably want to latest drivers
[11:21] <Eruantalon> is 2MB/s a reasonable speed for 802.11g?
[11:21] <wolferine> rather than "some type" :)
[11:21] <tcstool> Not really
[11:21] <lee_> soooo go on the nvidia website?
[11:22] <wolferine> lee_, no
[11:22] <wolferine> lee_, google ubuntu guide, it gives instructions on getting the latest nvidia drivers
[11:22] <bobleny> wolferine: Do you know that I am currently running on Windows xp? I don't believe I can access the terminal from here....
[11:22] <lee_> aight.
[11:22] <lee_> it won't screw with my xorg config though will it?
[11:22] <esaym> graft: you only get half the displayed speed for wireless because of the collision avoidance method so that speed is about right.  And you say the ssh process is using very little of the cpu?
[11:23] <wolferine> bobleny, , you can at your login (which is what I thought you could get to in linux
[11:23] <bobleny> Oh ok
[11:23] <Eruantalon> !putty
[11:23] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[11:24] <bobleny> wolferine: So when I get to the login I should press ctrl-alt-f1 or f6?
[11:24] <wolferine> bobleny, or any f* key inbetween f1 and f6
[11:24] <wolferine> with ctrl-alt as well
[11:24] <wolferine> obviously
[11:25] <graft> esaym: yeah... and i'm using 3des, not blowfish
[11:25] <bobleny> wolferine: OK, once I open terminal what commands do I need to execute to check HDD space?
[11:26] <esaym> graft: hmm
[11:26] <wolferine> bobleny, I gave you that before
[11:26] <wolferine> bobleny, you should probably write it down some where :)
[11:26] <wolferine> bobleny, use: df -Th
[11:26] <bobleny> wolferine: I did, gf -TH
[11:27] <bobleny> wolferine: Oh, you ment df!
[11:27] <Deeply> how does one one switch between windows in ubuntu?
[11:27] <bobleny> you said gf -Th...
[11:27] <wolferine> Deeply, matters how its installed
[11:27] <wolferine> oh, Deeply alt-tab, sorry
[11:27] <Deeply> running it from the livecd
[11:27] <wolferine> bobleny, use df -Th
[11:28] <Deeply> ok now to see if this works
[11:28] <Alarm> i did something with the Kmenu , and now the "system settings" shortcut , that opens a window, is like a folder with subdirectories , like the category "internet" . with the only difference it includes the things that also the system settings includes, look and feel, administration , services and so on. how could i restore that ? or if someone could tell me what is in the properties of the "System settings" in the kmenu written , to fix it
[11:28] <bobleny> wolferine: Is there a way to use konversation from there?
[11:29] <wolferine> bobbyd_, its not konversation
[11:29] <wolferine> but you can connect to irc via a command line
[11:29] <wolferine> you would have to either install one, or use one already installed
[11:29] <Dragnslcr> Is there a way to set window size and position memory globally, or do I have to set it for every window that pops up?
[11:30] <bobleny> wolffyd: How do I connect to IRC through the terminal?
[11:30] <wolferine> bobleny, i just waithow
[11:30] <wolferine> said how*
[11:31] <Alarm> anyone that could help ?
[11:31] <Deeply> heh fun
[11:32] <bobleny> wolferine: Uh....?
[11:32] <Deeply> ham radio deluxe says out of memory :)
[11:32] <Deeply> this program is quite interesting this ubuntu
[11:32] <wolferine> interesting?
[11:32] <wolferine> hehe
[11:32] <Cugel> I want to run xscreensaver on my first screen only (0:0). I just don't understand the manual where it says to use [-display host:display.screen]   -- what do I enter there???
[11:33] <chairmeleon> hi :)
[11:33] <graft> esaym: what version of ssh are you using?
[11:33] <wolferine> bobleny, to be honest, I really think yu need to reconsider what your doing exactly
[11:33] <wolferine> im just looking down the road
[11:34] <bobleny> wolferine: What?
[11:34] <chairmeleon> I'm trying to run a buildset script for some downloaded icons. It always worked flawlessly in 6.10, but now it says 'No convert in path'
[11:34] <esaym> graft: I don't know.  What ever the lastest is for dapper
[11:34] <Deeply> thank you for all the information
[11:34] <chairmeleon> what package do I have to install to supply convert?
[11:34] <nuu> Cugel: have you tried something along the lines of localhost:0.0 ?
[11:34] <Cugel> I will, now.
[11:34] <wolferine> either you dont have enough memory, and your gonna have to come back here and ask, how do I get more memory, resulting in possibly a re-format
[11:34] <wolferine> OR
[11:34] <nuu> just wild guessing here ;)
[11:34] <wolferine> you have enough memory, and your not getting into your ubuntu install
[11:34] <Cugel> "xscreensaver: Can't open display: localhost:0.0" -- I get that type of error all the time!
[11:35] <wolferine> im just saying, from a troubleshooting perspective, dual booting is not the way to go
[11:35] <Cugel> That -display command just infuriates me, and I can't find any real example of it being put to use.
[11:35] <graft> esaym: try ssh -v
[11:35] <graft> esaym: what's the server running?
[11:35] <nuu> have you tried 0:0, or 0.0 alone ?
[11:36] <wolferine> bobleny, you can connect to irc in a consol, but you need to read about which clients are available, and find if its installed
[11:36] <yeti> is there a font-package for ubuntu somewhere that provides me with standard fonts like arial, times new roman, etc? my system has lots of (propably GPLed) fonts, but it's really annoying not to have the word/windows stadnards
[11:36] <wolferine> then you need to install it, if you dont have it
[11:36] <bobleny> wolferine: I have two separate physical drives.
[11:36] <wolferine> bobleny, your dual booting though
[11:36] <wolferine> thats the point I am trying to get out
[11:36] <Cugel> Same error all the time. Can't open display (and yes, echo $DISPLAY shows me 0:0)
[11:36] <bobleny> wolferine: So?
[11:36] <wolferine> at*
[11:37] <wolferine> bobleny, leaving, and coming back here all the time isnt "productive"
[11:37] <nuu> hm
[11:37] <wolferine> have you thought of maybe using VMware?
[11:37] <esaym> graft: ok one sec
[11:37] <wolferine> to run your linux OS in a virtual machine?
[11:37] <bobleny> wolferine: I know. That's why I asked if I can connect to IRC in terminal
[11:37] <wolferine> or do you maybe have another PC that you can use
[11:38] <wolferine> bobleny, even then, your going to need a bit of help (probably) to get back into your linux OS
[11:38] <graft> esaym: also does the same happen with sftp? there are protocol differences, might be better...
[11:38] <wolferine> unless you want to just run command line
[11:38] <esaym> graft: both computers using OpenSSH_4.2p1 Debian-7ubuntu3.1, OpenSSL 0.9.8a 11 Oct 2005
[11:38] <wolferine> im just looking at the big picture
[11:38] <wolferine> and suggesting maybe trying VMware
[11:39] <Lamington> So who is using feisty ?
[11:39] <kary> Help: Is it possible to make kde remember my bluetooth mouse?  Whenever I leave my laptop for a few minutes and come back, i have to open a konsole and re-enter the hidd command to connect the mouse.
[11:39] <wolferine> but you have to have a system that can handle VMware
[11:39] <bobleny> wolferine: Maybe later...
[11:39] <wolferine> Lamington, I am
[11:39] <wolferine> bobleny, gl anyways
[11:39] <Lamington> wolferine: cool... any advice on drivers and my old nvidia 5200fx graphics card ?
[11:39] <wolferine> Lamington, the latest
[11:40] <wolferine> Lamington, running beryl?
[11:40] <Lamington> wolferine: the one marked 'new' ?
[11:40] <wolferine> Lamington, dont use the nvidia page for the driver
[11:40] <esaym> graft: I don't have sftp.  But downloading or uploading through apache yields proper ethernet speeds
[11:40] <Lamington> wolferine: yes, I was refering to the one in the repos
[11:40] <judgen> ive been using beos for a few years now. Im just wondering why linus takes so lon time to start up and to do things.
[11:40] <wolferine> use the ubuntu guide (google it) to setup the latest drivers
[11:40] <Lamington> wolferine: ok
[11:41] <judgen> linux
[11:41] <graft> esaym: sftp should be standard...
[11:41] <wolferine> judgen, lots of services?
[11:41] <Lamington> wolferine: I've only just installed feisty... is beryl easy to set up ?
[11:41] <cps1966> hey judgen whats up
[11:41] <judgen> i switched since youtube dont wokr in BeOS =P
[11:41] <soon> for Kubuntu - should I prefer Beryl over 'the other one' (forget its name) - also XGL or AIGLX or ? (I have an ati graphics card)
[11:41] <wolferine> Lamington, not too bad, about the same as on the previous
[11:41] <judgen> just that everything seems slow, just like in windows
[11:41] <Lamington> wolferine: ok
[11:42] <wolferine> Lamington, use #ubuntu-effects for any more help on that though
[11:42] <klando> I have an issue (supposed with pulse audio) while upgrading to festy : I have no more sound
[11:42] <judgen> cps1966: do you know if i have done anything wrong?
[11:42] <wolferine> judgen, do you have lots of services running?
[11:42] <wolferine> klando, in which applications?
[11:42] <Lamington> wolferine: cool, will do
[11:42] <judgen> wolferine: i have no idea
[11:42] <klando> kde
[11:42] <wolferine> Lamington, good luck
[11:42] <Lamington> :)
[11:42] <judgen> wolferine: default kubuntu
[11:42] <klando> like for sound server test
[11:42] <cps1966> i have dual xeon 2.4 here so its quite fast
[11:43] <wolferine> judgen, well, opening services will take time (on startup)
[11:43] <wolferine> judgen, linux also checks the status of your f/s before booting into the OS
[11:43] <nuu> Cugel: have you tried allowing localhost running programs to access your local display ? with xhost +localhost
[11:43] <wolferine> judgen, there are many "factors" in a "slow" bootup
[11:43] <judgen> i have dual opteron 275 (4 cores) so i expected an speed improovement over BeOS, but no
[11:43] <klando> wolferine, I have 2 sound cards, an old one, and the one on motheboard (and I use the motherboard's one )
[11:44] <wolferine> klando, you havent been testing the correct device maybe?
[11:44] <judgen> wolferine: how do i stop the disk check?
[11:44] <danish> how can i play wmv files on kubuntu
[11:44] <klando> huum
[11:44] <wolferine> judgen, not sure, google it, and while your there, check the ubuntu guide
[11:44] <judgen> danish: install gstreamer*
[11:44] <klando> wolferine, if i put the sound 'higth' I get sound like 'ppsss' so edvice seems ok
[11:44] <wolferine> judgen, has lots of info on a new ubuntu/kubuntu install
[11:44] <danish> judgen how do i do that
[11:44] <cps1966> !fsck
[11:44] <ubotu> fsck is the FileSystem ChecKer, which runs automatically when you boot if you didn't shutdown cleanly. Type "man fsck" for information on running it manually. The command "sudo shutdown -F -r now" will force a reboot and a filesystem check; "sudo touch /fastboot" will skip a filesystem check at next reboot
[11:45] <klando> (and additionnaly, kmix doesn't complain)
[11:45] <judgen> danish: om du r dansk, kr fr tusan inga ltar med drm. Det r Ondska
[11:45] <Alarm> what settings should i change so that the menus wont look like buttons as here: http://www.geocities.com/stefschreck/snapshot1.png
[11:45] <wolferine> klando, check the forums for similar hardware issues, from other users
[11:45] <Alarm> i changed some styles and window decorations but somehow i cant find. and its the same in every application
[11:45] <danish> danish is a word from persion language meaning knowledge
[11:45] <klando> really not sure it's an hardware issue
[11:45] <hatekilldestroy> So I downloaded Enemy Territory but how do I install it?
[11:45] <wolferine> danish, you can look on the ubuntu guide (google it) and it will allow DVD playback, setting up coddecs, etc..
[11:46] <wolferine> hatekilldestroy, extract the file, read the website, run the installer, read the README
[11:46] <danish> k thx
[11:46] <wolferine> hatekilldestroy, various methods
[11:46] <hatekilldestroy> yeah, nevermind. :)
[11:46] <wolferine> np
[11:46] <klando> wolferine, as I do not know pulseaudio, is there some init.d to launch ?
[11:46] <wolferine> :)
[11:46] <danish> is it possible to compile konversation for windows
[11:46] <klando> or thing like that ?
[11:47] <judgen> danish: join in ubuntu-help and ill try to help you withouth the bloat
[11:47] <wolferine> klando, you said nothing about pulseaudio
[11:47] <wolferine> klando, i just removed that, I couldnt get it to work :/
[11:47] <klando> I hope it is by default in festy ?
[11:47] <wolferine> klando, so I have no idea on assisting
[11:47] <klando> :)
[11:47] <wolferine> hehe
[11:47] <klando> wellwellwell
[11:47] <klando> aptitude purge .. my old friend
[11:48] <wolferine> hehe
[11:48] <hatekilldestroy> alright, well I don't have any write permission so the game can install itself.
[11:48] <judgen> this channel has grown to big, i cant find my own lines anymore =P
[11:48] <wolferine> hatekilldestroy, is it compressed?
[11:48] <klando> damn ! p   pulseaudio                      - PulseAudio sound server
[11:48] <hatekilldestroy> i suppose so.
[11:48] <klando> wasn't that
[11:48] <wolferine> hatekilldestroy, whats the extension?>
[11:48] <wolferine> .sh?
[11:48] <hatekilldestroy> .run
[11:48] <wolferine> ok, so sudo *.run
[11:48] <wolferine> that should exe it
[11:49] <klando> sudo sh *.run
[11:49] <wolferine> not using the * obviously
[11:49] <judgen> danish: did you find it?
[11:49] <hatekilldestroy> well i'm trying to install it and it asks for a directory, so i pick one and it can't write.
[11:49] <klando> as it is not sure it is already +x
[11:49] <wolferine> thanks klando
[11:49] <intelikey> i need a raw command for adjusting alsa      clues ?
[11:49] <wolferine> hatekilldestroy, you need to run as sudo
[11:49] <judgen> klando: NEVER use that command ever if you think its safe
[11:49] <klando> mouaf
[11:49] <judgen> sudo *.sh is not a safe command
[11:49] <hatekilldestroy> yeah, i am.
[11:50] <klando> yeah, but installing et neeed root
[11:50] <danish> judgen i type /join ubuntu-help
[11:50] <LjL> intelikey: "adjusting" as in what, the mixer? alsamixer or amix
[11:50] <dug> what is the alternative method to sudo for kate?
[11:50] <hatekilldestroy> this is rediculously frustrating.
[11:50] <klando> well * stand for the real name of the et installer
[11:50] <LjL> dug: there's only one method, and that's "kdesu kate"
[11:50] <Yorokobi> dug, kdesu
[11:50] <LjL> never use sudo with GUY apps
[11:50] <LjL> GUI even
[11:50] <intelikey> LjL yeah volume mainly.
[11:50] <dug> thank you what does that stand for so i can try and remember it
[11:50] <dug> kde super user
[11:51] <wolferine> hatekilldestroy, read the website, it will tell you how to install it
[11:51] <dug> nm thanks
[11:51] <LjL> intelikey: "amix set Master 50%"
[11:51] <Alarm> is there any bug on feisty with kio_file ? cause i always see like 10 processes kio_file when mounting/unmounting a cd/dvd
[11:51] <intelikey> LjL no a "raw" cammand.  not an app.   alsamixer,amix not avalable
[11:51] <hatekilldestroy> alright, now i ran into a REAL error.
[11:51] <Daisuke_Ido> intelikey: so did you manage to do the upgrade?
[11:52] <LjL> intelikey, what the heck do you mean a "raw command"?
[11:52] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido i aborted about ten minutes after i left.   got to thinking how stupid is it to do things for the sake of pride and just droped it.
[11:53] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm so proud right now!
[11:53] <Daisuke_Ido> :P
[11:53] <intelikey> LjL something like   echo 22 > /proc/amix     or some such.
[11:53] <sean> anyone not afk?
[11:54] <klando> ?
[11:54] <danish> how do i install beryl on kubuntu
[11:54] <LjL> intelikey: no can do, mixer settings are controlled by ioctl() calls
[11:54] <dark> alguien que hable espaol?
[11:54] <klando> dark : un poco
[11:54] <Daisuke_Ido> danish: feisty?
[11:54] <atidem> !es
[11:54] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[11:54] <sean> i got a simple newbie question, you guys can probably answer it in 30 secs...
[11:54] <wolferine> danish, ATI or nvidida?
[11:54] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido plus dialup....
[11:54] <wolferine> nvidia*
[11:54] <Yorokobi> danish, read the wiki page for your version of ubuntu on the beryl-project.org wiki
[11:54] <danish> daisuke wolferine fiesty ati 9800 radeon
[11:54] <Daisuke_Ido> sean: go right ahead
[11:54] <intelikey> LjL mmm k.  maybe a small c command string.
[11:55] <dark> hola klando
[11:55] <dark> una pregunta facil
[11:55] <sean> im on an ibook
[11:55] <nuu> l
[11:55] <LjL> !es | dark
[11:55] <ubotu> dark: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[11:55] <dark> ok ok
[11:55] <dark> ya me voy
[11:55] <sean> and want me apply-command key
[11:55] <sean> to work at the ctrl key
[11:55] <sean> and i read the documents
[11:55] <sean> and I dont know how to make a mod file, or whatever it is calling for
[11:55] <klando> dark #edubuntu-es
[11:56] <Daisuke_Ido> hrmm
[11:56] <intelikey> LjL this system is a 2004 modle.  so you can see what i'm up against.
[11:56] <wolferine> danish, its covered in the ubuntu guide (google it) and you can ask for assistance on that topic in #ubuntu-effects
[11:56] <LjL> intelikey: i don't understand. if you're able to execute random C programs, why can't you just use amix? anyway, i don't really know what the relevant ioctls are
[11:56] <dark> bye
[11:56] <danish> wolfernie yorkobi thx
[11:56] <intelikey> LjL don't want to compile it.
[11:57] <wolferine> danish, np
[11:57] <LjL> intelikey: so what did you mean a "small c command string"?
[11:57] <sean> can someone please walk me through the steps to make my apple (command) key work like the Ctrl key?
[11:58] <csingley> hey - question: is there a smarter way to image a disk than dd to a colossal file?  i mean real image, not fs-level (tar, et al.)
[11:58] <danish> you know it would be so cool if kde can make a KFRAMEWORK from all the dependencies, and has like a plugin system it would make a the development of applications much faster and orgranized
[12:00] <sean> can someone please walk me through the steps to make my apple (command) key work like the Ctrl key?
[12:00] <ks3> csingley, dd is the best utility that i know of, though you can pipe it through g/bzip to get a smaller file
[12:00] <Daisuke_Ido> why won't the ctrl key work like the ctrl key?
[12:01] <wolferine> keyboards not setup properly?
[12:01] <Toomas> maybe someone knows how tu run ssclient on k/ubuntu
[12:01] <snap> lol
[12:01] <Toomas> ?
[12:01] <Toomas> that's anticheat for css
[12:01] <wolferine> Toomas, open a shell, ssh
[12:01] <wolferine> hehe :)
[12:01] <Daisuke_Ido> sean: in system settings, there's a keyboard/mouse settings page
[12:01] <Daisuke_Ido> under keyboard shortcuts, there's a tab for modifier keys
[12:02] <Toomas> wolferine: that's a counter strike: source anti-cheat client
[12:02] <Daisuke_Ido> that may be what you're looking for
[12:02] <Toomas> some servers need it
[12:02] <wolferine> hehe
[12:02] <Toomas> and I can't get it to work with css itself
[12:02] <wolferine> permissions?
[12:02] <bobstro> csingley: are you after "ghost" like functionality
[12:04] <bobstro> csingley: partimage only does used blocks, may be close to what you want.
[12:04] <Daisuke_Ido> that's it, i'm opening my pc shop.  i'm gonna call it "broken windows"
[12:04] <bobstro> !partimage
[12:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about partimage - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:04] <bobstro> !partimage-server
[12:05] <Daisuke_Ido> !info partimage
[12:05] <ubotu> partimage: backup partitions into a compressed image file. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.4-17 (feisty), package size 268 kB, installed size 944 kB
[12:05] <bobstro> hah thanks
[12:05] <franzmaximilian>  Is it worth the effort trying Beryl or Compiz (just for the fun of having a look) on a Kubuntu Feisty running on a 900 Mhz Duron, 256 Mb RAM, Nvidia FX5200 128Mb ?
[12:05] <sean> daisuke
[12:05] <sean> i go to system > prefs?
[12:05] <sean> or system > admin
[12:05] <Yaccin> whats the difference between linux-386 and linux-generic?
[12:05] <Daisuke_Ido> system settings right in the k menu
[12:05] <bobstro> csingley: it does partitions in any case.
[12:05] <bobstro> csingley: i'm tinkering with it now, but no final conclusions.
[12:06] <Daisuke_Ido> sean: are you using kubuntu?
[12:06] <Daisuke_Ido> because that choice screams gnome
[12:06] <david__> Hello everybody.  :)  I did an apt-get that incidentally installed gnome in its entirety little known to me.  Can somebody please help me switch back to KDE?
[12:06] <Daisuke_Ido> log out, select kde as your session, log back in
[12:06] <wolferine> Daisuke_Ido, experienced with USB and/or scanners?
[12:06] <Daisuke_Ido> wolferine: not really
[12:06] <david__> How do I get it to boot into KDE though?
[12:06] <kleftisx> hello i have install DebootstrapChroot on an amd64 how can i run 32bit applications now?
[12:07] <wolferine> k
[12:07] <bobstro> david__: you're getting the kdm login when you start?
[12:07] <Daisuke_Ido> see the part that says "select kde as your session"
[12:07] <wolferine> david__, set it as the default...
[12:07] <bobstro> david__: er, the gdm?
[12:07] <david__> .... I don't know what I got... Umm... I'll log out and try it. :)  I'll be back to let you know the results
[12:08] <bobstro> david__: oh, if that's not the PROBLEM, don't worry about it.
[12:08] <bobleny> wolferine: /dev/hda2 is full. It is 9.4GB large and it is mounted on /
[12:08] <Yaccin> whats the difference between linux-386 and linux-generic?
[12:08] <bobstro> david__: if not, just select your session as Daisuke_Ido suggests.
[12:08] <wolferine> bobleny, so its full, thats why you cannot open the OS
[12:08] <crimsun> Yaccin: configuration differences. Read the configs in git.
[12:08] <Yorokobi> Yaccin, 386 doesn't have SMP for one
[12:08] <wolferine> bobleny, might want to dump your /tmp
[12:09] <bobleny> wolferine: Dump it?
[12:09] <Yaccin> whats smp?
[12:09] <Daisuke_Ido> and clean up your apt packages
[12:09] <wolferine> bobleny, clean it out, remove everything in it, dump it
[12:09] <wolferine> and what Daisuke_Ido said, clean up your apt packages
[12:09] <Dragnslcr> Hm, Amarok can't play MIDI files?
[12:09] <Yorokobi> Yaccin, multi-CPU (symmetric multiprocessor or something like that).
[12:10] <Daisuke_Ido> Dragnslcr: don't think so.  but kmid should take care of that
[12:10] <Daisuke_Ido> oh wait, let me double check that
[12:10] <Yaccin> so i think its better switching to -386
[12:10] <Daisuke_Ido> yep
[12:10] <Daisuke_Ido> Yaccin: ubuntu uses generic now
[12:10] <Yaccin> yes
[12:10] <Yaccin> but why?
[12:10] <Yaccin> 386 seems to be faster
[12:10] <Yaccin> :)
[12:10] <Yorokobi> Yaccin, are you using a pre-686 proc? (pre-Pentium)?
[12:10] <Daisuke_Ido> because it's designed to be an easy-to-maintain distro
[12:11] <Yaccin> Sysinfo for 'Hephaistos': Linux 2.6.20-15-generic running KDE 3.5.6, CPU: AMD Athlon at 1200 MHz (2402 bogomips), HD: 58/109GB, RAM: 814/1011MB, 125 proc's, 11.31h up
[12:11] <Photon> hi
[12:11] <Daisuke_Ido> and multiple kernels aren't.
[12:11] <Photon> whats in the Kubuntu DVD?
[12:11] <Yorokobi> Yaccin, you'll want the generic
[12:11] <Daisuke_Ido> Photon: JKubuntu
[12:11] <bobleny> wolferine: You mean I should delete everything on "/dev/hdba2"?
[12:11] <Yaccin> Yorokobi: why? ^^
[12:11] <wolferine> bobleny, no
[12:11] <Daisuke_Ido> bobleny: NO
[12:11] <wolferine> in /tmp
[12:11] <Daisuke_Ido> oi, scary
[12:11] <Daisuke_Ido> i could imagine doing that, and it makes me want to cry
[12:12] <wolferine> which is (like the name implies) a temp directory
[12:12] <franzmaximilian> Is it worth the effort of trying Beryl or Compiz (just to have a look) on a Kubuntu Feisty running on an old 900 Mhz Duron, 256 Mb RAM, Nvidia FX5200 128Mb ?
[12:12] <wolferine> bobleny, so you are done beening spoonfed by me today
[12:12] <wolferine> good lcuk
[12:12] <yeti> i don't think there's a noticeable performance difference between a generic kernel, a 686 kernel and a p4 kernel
[12:12] <bobleny> wolferine: wait! how do I erase "/temp"?
[12:12] <yeti> you see, kernel does mostly scheduling etc, which does not need any of the MMX/SSE stuff
[12:13] <wolferine> bobleny, how do you think?
[12:13] <bobstro> franzmaximilian: i'm on an athlon 2400xp, with a FX5600 and not overy happy with the performance.
[12:13] <bobleny> wolferine: I don't know... "rm /temp"?