[12:40] <nixternal> how come I always miss the Edubuntu meetings? I want to toss my hat in for membership (for about 6 months now), but can never make it to a meeting
[12:41] <Burgwork> nixternal: you already have Edubuntu, via your Kubuntu memberhsip
[12:41] <nixternal> also, LaserJock, any plans for 7.10?
[12:41] <nixternal> via Kubuntu and Ubuntu and Burgwork memberships ;)
[12:41] <Burgwork> wait a sec, you have membership in me?
[12:41] <nixternal> LaserJock: that is for doc work? Kubuntu is solid and won't take to much from me this go round
[12:41] <nixternal> not in you...OK, I am going to stop
[12:42] <nixternal> trying to say it right still sounded wrong
[12:48] <nixternal> yes
[12:48] <nixternal> muhehehe
[12:48] <nixternal> it started out as a joke, but Burgwork made me want it (membership) even more. I want to be like him when I grow up
[12:48] <Burgwork> nixternal: you are twisted :)
[12:49] <nixternal> you think? ;)
[12:53] <Burgwork> ya, you use KDE?
[01:06] <pygi> :P
[01:23] <ajmitch> aw, nixternal left
[01:23] <ajmitch> yay, he returns
[01:24] <ajmitch> Burgwork: it's not fair, I'm not an edubuntu or kubuntu member
[01:24] <nixternal> oh man, I press the wrong button and everyone starts talking bad about me ;)
[01:25] <ajmitch> nixternal: of course
[01:25] <ajmitch> how else would we talk?
[01:25] <ajmitch> hello pygi :)
[01:26] <Burgwork> ajmitch: how familiar are you with mysql?
[01:26] <nixternal> haha
[01:26] <nixternal> OK, class time
[01:26] <nixternal> back in a bit
[01:26] <pygi> ajmitch, hi ^_^
[01:26] <ajmitch> Burgwork: mysql & php are the bane of my life
[01:26] <Burgwork> I am having a headache installing joomla
[01:27] <ajmitch> ok
[01:27] <pygi> Burgwork, what's the problem?
[01:27] <Burgwork> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Joomla <-- following this
[01:28] <Burgwork> I have created a mysql db
[01:28] <Burgwork> and yet is says "mysql unavailable" on the first page
[01:28] <Burgwork> on the joomla config wizard
[01:29] <pygi> restarted mysql, gave all rights to the user that joomla is using to access db, and such?
[01:29] <Burgwork> yep and yep
[01:30] <ajmitch> joomla is php?
[01:30] <Burgwork> ya
[01:30] <ajmitch> got the appropriate php-mysql installed?
[01:31] <Burgwork> now I feel stupid
[01:33] <Burgwork> ok, that worked
[01:33] <ajmitch> excellent
[01:34] <pygi> congrats Burgwork :)
[05:10] <LaserJock> nixternal: you sitll around?
[05:12] <LaserJock> Burgwork: you still around?
[06:35] <sacater> highvolt1ge: ive fixed gizmo
[06:35] <sacater> highvolt1ge: well sort of, i now use ekig
[06:35] <sacater> ekiga*
[07:38] <skwashd> hi all
[07:39] <skwashd> i have been trying to install edubuntu and i am not having much luck
[07:39] <skwashd> nm
[07:42] <skwashd> had my partioning wrong
[07:42] <skwashd> 100M / not 100G :)
[09:18] <juliux> hi RichEd
[01:08] <tsurc> Ive just installed edu7.04 on a test server, and I'm having problems with the Screen Viewer.
[02:48] <tsurc> I'm having problems setting up Screen Viewer on edubunut7.04. I have followed the instructions here https://wiki.edubuntu.org/InstallX11VncOnLtspClients BUT NO JOY
[02:48] <tsurc> sorry "but no joy"
[03:51] <cliebow_> tsurc:this is usng thin-client-manager?
[03:52] <tsurc> yes, but weirdly and I don't know what I did...... but it works now
[03:53] <cliebow_> must live right 8~)
[03:53] <cliebow_> soccer playoffs on now?
[03:54] <tsurc> get a small thumbnail from thin-client-manager.... note ip address of client. close thin-client manager. Fire up vncviewer ip:6 and your away.
[03:55] <tsurc> all I need to do now I thing is sort out sound with websites using flash. Set the clients NOT to detect the on board flash, and workout how to turn all the clients of with a cron job.
[03:56] <tsurc> *think
[03:57] <tsurc> cliebow_: I haven't tried that script out yet you sent me. I have had a little read through and it look ok so far.
[03:58] <cliebow_>  i cant remember..ohhh ldap..
[03:58] <tsurc> cliebow_: prefer rugby union (bit like american football minus the body armour, helmets and stuff) ;)
[03:59] <cliebow_> tsurc:death-wish football..my brother used to play
[03:59] <sbalneav> Morning all
[04:00] <tsurc> My sister used to play for Lancaster University Womens squad.
[04:00] <tsurc> Morning (Afternoon ?)
[04:00] <cliebow_> my old Teach gave a list of user@ws..id click on it..hit run and it would open up
[04:00] <bddebian> Heya
[04:00] <cliebow_> sort of like mrs doubtfire..8~)
[04:02] <tsurc> Well I know we have a love hate relationship, but she's not quite that bad. For a rugby player she's surprisingly feminine
[04:03] <cliebow_> cool..
[04:03] <tsurc> anyway, I havn't seen her for a bit, I'm more bothered about getting a cron job for shuting down the clients.
[04:04] <cliebow_> like an ssh -e to the client?
[04:04] <tsurc> I've got waking them up ok. using wakeonlan on the server
[04:04] <cliebow_> cool
[04:05] <tsurc> but shutting them all down is a puzzler
[04:06] <tsurc> Idea is at 8pm server shuts down all the clients....8am Server starts all the clients. thus 12h of power saved every day... *week*month*year = allot of power saved
[04:09] <sbalneav> tsurc: Remembering that even if you shut them down, they're still using power
[04:09] <tsurc> wakeonlan was the easy part. (except its in universe) wakeonlan MACoClient MACoClient MACoClient etc =  job done
[04:09] <sbalneav> Better solution would be to simply put a block-heater timer on the pwer for the lab table, and actually kill power to the table.
[04:09] <tsurc> yeh but no where near the level they would if they were on fully
[04:10] <sbalneav> As well, you can actually buy power-strips that are tcp/ip aware.
[04:10] <ogra> with running sshd ? *g*
[04:11] <sbalneav> The one I used to have had a telnet interface
[04:11] <tsurc> and it scores high for internal politics, that we don't have to change anything, just implement code
[04:11] <ogra> cool
[04:14] <tsurc> thats just bells and whistles ATM, my real problem lies with the onboard flash on these t5725's. When a user logsin they get them proudly displayed on their desktop.
[04:16] <ogra> hmm, thats tricky, we dont have a blacklist meachanism for loca devices ...
[04:17] <ogra> i asume you want functionality for usbsticks etc ...
[04:20] <tsurc> hey, really jut stuff that is plugged in "after" the user has logged in
[04:22] <tsurc> another thing I just noticed, is that the testuser I created can navigate into the Administrators home directory.
[04:23] <tsurc> changing the permissions on the folder solves this...... but should this happen out the box?
[04:24] <ogra> yup, we use the default umask value ubuntu uses ... you can change that in /etc/profile
[04:25] <ogra> man umask gves you info
[04:25] <ogra> *gives
[04:26] <tsurc> right... any particular reason why?
[04:27] <ogra> just to stay conform with ubuntu defaults and ubuntu documentation
[04:27] <tsurc> just seems a bit odd on an edubuntu server install thats all
[04:27] <ogra> for the flashdisks you could try to edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/ltsp-client
[04:27] <ogra> find a line "/usr/sbin/delayed_mounter"
[04:27] <ogra> comment it
[04:27] <ogra> and reboot a client
[04:28] <ogra> if that works i'll make it a config option "EXCLUDE_STATIC_LOCALDEV" or so ...
[04:28] <ogra> (for gutsy)
[04:29] <tsurc> changed... rebooting now
[04:32] <tsurc> ;) works a treat
[04:33] <ogra> great
[04:33] <ogra> thanks for testing ... i add a patch to my local branch
[04:33] <tsurc> although I have the edubuntu-server-addon cd in the server right now, and the user can see it too.
[04:33] <ogra> yes, all users will see server sided devices
[04:34] <ogra> they are not handled by ltsp but by the default desktop
[04:35] <ogra> devices handled by ltspfs are only seen and accessible by the user who owns them ...
[04:35] <tsurc> yes.... but when "I" try to eject it it fails because apparently only testuser can do that.
[04:35] <ogra> sounds like a gnome bug
[04:35] <ogra> nautilus rather
[04:36] <tsurc> on the testusers desktop there is no left_click eject option
[04:37] <ogra> indeed
[04:37] <ogra> hmm
[04:37] <ogra> all you can do is eject it from the terminal ...
[04:38] <ogra> nautilus is patched to not show any eject items on thin clients ...since ltspfs doesnt use unmounting or ejecting
[04:38] <ogra> indeed that case wasnt planned :)
[04:38] <tsurc> anyway of finding out what packages are invloved to I can file a bug in the right place?
[04:39] <tsurc> .. and ejecting from the terminal works ;) thanks
[04:39] <ogra> file it against nautilus and add info that its caused by an ltsp patch and only happens on thin clients
[04:40] <ogra> it wouldnt happen if you were the only user on the server though ...
[04:40] <ogra> (the ture bug is that testuser got the device assigned)
[04:41] <ogra> you could disable device mounting in the gnome settings of testuser, that would prevent this bug i guess
[04:42] <ogra> (it wnt affect the thin client devices)
[04:42] <tsurc> how would i do that?
[04:43] <ogra> System->Settings->Removable devices ...
[04:43] <ogra> uncheck the options to automount devices and CDroms ...
[04:44] <ogra> if you now plug in the CD it should be owned by the admin user
[04:49] <tsurc> ;) that works
[04:55] <tsurc> still having problems with the screen viewer though. I get "Not Connected" ip, user, Unavailable (in red) install x11vnc on the client. Even though x11vnc is installed.
[05:00] <tsurc> *
[05:00] <tsurc> Is there any way of telling if a user has "OK"d a message sent through the thin-client-manager
[09:32] <bonbonthejon> Any contribs around who have the current handbook? I think I found an error.
[09:34] <ogra> fle a bug against the edubuntu-docs package :)
[09:34] <ogra> *file
[09:34] <bonbonthejon> ok
[09:35] <bonbonthejon> I dont know where it is, I found the screenshot in the handbook
[09:41] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/edubuntu-docs/+filebug just describe it roughly ... if someone of the doc team has a question bout it they wil ask on the bug
[09:46] <ogra> ahm, bug 110352 :)
[09:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 110352 in edubuntu-docs "Grammatical error in handbook" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110352
[09:47] <ogra> oh, thats gnome-app-install, nice catch
[09:52] <bonbonthejon> I just did another one too
[09:52] <bonbonthejon> bug 110357
[09:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 110357 in edubuntu-docs "Add link in handbook" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110357
[09:54] <bonbonthejon> ogra: I have a little experience setting up a software RAID under Ubuntu server, would there be a place for a small tutorial?
[09:56] <ogra> look what on the wiki already ...
[09:56] <ogra> *what's
[09:56] <bonbonthejon> ogra: the general ubuntu wiki? or does edubuntu have a wiki
[09:57] <ogra> they use the same database but different frontends and webservers
[09:57] <bonbonthejon> ok
[10:44] <LaserJock> ogra: have you merged all the edu stuff for gutsy?
[10:45] <ogra> haha
[10:45] <LaserJock> that's what I thought
[10:46] <ogra> June 21st is merge end ...
[10:46] <LaserJock> ok
[10:47] <LaserJock> hopefully merges.ubuntu.com will be back up shortly
[10:48] <ogra> tomorrowit should be back
[10:48] <ogra> HD failure
[10:48] <LaserJock> mhm, I saw some emails to Debian about it