[12:40] <ubotu> New bug: #110108 in launchpad "Team admin should be able cancel the team membership in another team" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110108
[01:00] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[01:00] <pochu> hiya mpt!
[01:02] <ajmitch> hello mpt 
[01:03] <mpt> hello hello
[01:03] <pochu> Goooooooooooooooooood night mpt! :)
[01:29] <mpt> "Launchpad Bugs, the bug contact for Launchpad Bugs, will be notified about this bug."
[01:29] <mpt> Pure poetry
[01:38] <lifeless> now if only it said
[01:38] <lifeless> "Launchpad Bugs, the bug contact for Launchpad Bugs, will be notified about this bug in Launchpad Bugs."
[01:40] <ubotu> New bug: #110115 in malone "Detect and discard quoted versions of entire previous e-mail messages" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110115
[01:41] <jml_> Good morning
[01:43] <lifeless> jml: prove it!
[01:43] <jml> lifeless: it's an instruction, not a description
[01:44] <jml> a benediction, if you will
[01:49] <jdong> how does distro registering work on LP? who is allowed to start a distro, what services do you get, etc?
[02:01] <ubotu> New bug: #110121 in rosetta "+languages search should get +languages, not post to +languages/+index" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110121
[02:02] <mpt> jdong, kiko is the person who knows most about that afaik
[02:03] <jdong> I was thinking of a radical extension to Backports that would be awesome if implemented as a separate testing distro..... but of course I doubt distro registering is as willy-nilly as product!
[02:05] <lifeless> jml: I can't hear it to tell if the diction is bene.
[02:05] <jml> heh
[02:05] <lifeless> a little latin is a dangerous thing.
[02:10] <ubotu> New bug: #110123 in launchpad "Portlets do not refresh in Opera 9.2" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110123
[02:12] <lifeless> mpt: is there any progress on hiding comments in bugs?
[02:12] <lifeless> bug 109730 has a beautiful comment that is totally irrelevant
[02:12] <ubotu> Malone bug 109730 in bzr "Bazaar has no lock command" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109730
[02:35] <ubotu> New bug: #110129 in malone "status command should accept displayed status forms" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110129
[02:45] <ubotu> New bug: #110131 in malone "Cannot link bug to branch via email?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110131
[02:52] <mpt> lifeless, not that I know of, ask BjornT 
[02:57] <lifeless> mpt: ok.
[08:41] <bialix> hi, have a question
[08:42] <bialix> at the page https://translations.launchpad.net/+faq there is topic "How do I start using Launchpad for my project?" that mention guide Translating your software using Launchpad. But link go to the same page. Where this guide is?
[08:48] <jamesh> that sounds broken
[08:49] <jamesh> could you file a bug report?
[08:50] <bialix> probably, if you point me to suitable bug tracker
[08:50] <jamesh> bialix: https://bugs.launchpad.net/rosetta/+filebug should do
[08:51] <bialix> thanks
[08:55] <jamesh> bialix: https://help.launchpad.net/RosettaFAQ <- this might answer some of your questions.  If you have others, please ask them :)
[08:56] <bialix> well, I try to understand how Rosetta works and how the best use it for translation Bazaar project
[08:57] <jamesh> bialix: you'll want to start by marking the translatable strings with the gettext module
[08:58] <bialix> it's the EASIEST part
[08:59] <jamesh> there is an xgettext.py utility distributed with Python, or you can use the standard GNU xgettext these days, iirc
[08:59] <jamesh> to generate a PO template
[08:59] <bialix> I'm not completely understand how to peek all languages translations back to project from Rosetta to create release?
[09:00] <jamesh> upload the PO template to rosetta, then export the translations from Rosetta as PO files
[09:00] <bialix> actually this utility named pygettext.py
[09:00] <jamesh> bialix: you'd also need to include some initialisation calls to tell gettext where to find the translations
[09:01] <bialix> why import po file to Rosetta get so long time?
[09:01] <bialix> https://launchpad.net/translations/imports?target=products&status=NEEDS_REVIEW&type=po
[09:02] <bialix> usually translations (as mo files) will be in some directory/locale/XX/LC_MESSAGES/..
[09:02] <bialix> Probably I'm not very clear ask my question
[09:03] <jamesh> bialix: some extra checking is done on initial imports by the Rosetta admins
[09:03] <bialix> I want to understand how this supposed to work from organization point of view, not from coder point of view
[09:04] <bialix> no, I'm not about translation template (pot), I'm about ready-to-use translation for some language aka po-file
[09:05] <bialix> is not it should simply merge with existing translation base and do automatically?
[09:05] <jamesh> When you are about to make a release, you can request an export of the translations for your project
[09:05] <ubotu> New bug: #110181 in launchpad "search box in help.launchpad.net wiki template is broken" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110181
[09:05] <ubotu> New bug: #110185 in rosetta "link to guide "Translating your software using Launchpad" is broken" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110185
[09:06] <bialix> Do I can request for all existing translations at once?
[09:06] <jamesh> ah.  Rosetta also lets you upload PO files, as a way of doing offline translation.  That's what those queue entries are from
[09:06] <jamesh> bialix: you can request a tarball of all the translations for your project
[09:06] <jamesh> which is what you'd do before a release
[09:07] <bialix> yes, this is what I'm asking for
[09:09] <mdke> you can only request a tarball for all translations in each template, afaik, not all translations in all templates in a project
[09:09] <jamesh> bialix: okay.  Lets look at Jokosher, which is using Rosetta for translations
[09:09] <jamesh> bialix: https://translations.beta.launchpad.net/jokosher
[09:10] <jamesh> in the main content area, there is a "View Template & All Languages..." link
[09:10] <jamesh> click on that link to get details of the PO template and its associated translations
[09:10] <jamesh> on this page, there is an "Download translations" link
[09:11] <jamesh> this is the form you'd use to request an export of the translations
[09:11] <jamesh> you can select which translations you want, and if you want them in PO or MO format
[09:11] <jamesh> the request gets processed and an email sent to you with a link to the tarball
[09:11] <mdke> i think that it's intended to add the feature of downloading all templates for a particular project/package, so hopefully that will be possible in the future
[09:12] <jamesh> mdke: well, there is generally a single template for most projects
[09:12] <mdke> really?
[09:12] <jamesh> I'd expect only a single one for bzr
[09:12] <jamesh> yep
[09:12] <jamesh> multiple templates is the exception rather than the rule
[09:13] <mdke> most projects I'd expect to have at least two, one for the program (if it were a simple one), and another for the documentation
[09:19] <bialix_> jamesh: what green means? Legend says that "Translation unchanged since last synchronized". What it means? Who and when synchronized what?
[09:27] <jamesh> bialix_: these would be translations uploaded to Rosetta as PO files
[09:28] <bialix_> aha, thatks
[09:28] <bialix_> thanks
[09:28] <jamesh> bialix_: it isn't as important when considering an app that does all translation through Rosetta
[09:28] <jamesh> bialix_: but for Ubuntu, both the PO template and all PO files are imported with new package uploads
[09:28] <bialix_> as I see there is some problems to mix both approach
[09:28] <jamesh> so the green indicates the translations coming from upstream
[09:29] <jamesh> rather than having been translated in Rosetta
[09:29] <bialix_> I understand
[09:30] <carlos> morning
[09:35] <ubotu> New bug: #110195 in malone "Nomination for a release on one source package shouldn't affect any others" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110195
[09:50] <ubotu> New bug: #110198 in malone "date & month appear on developer-meets" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110198
[09:55] <ubotu> New bug: #110201 in malone "Visual indicators that a sprint/meet is over" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110201
[10:28] <wulfepup> Hello, hello. Anyone here that help with launchpad accounts? I can't remember which email I used.
[10:29] <popey> erk, internal server error on http://people.launchpad.net
[10:29] <popey> make that https
[10:30] <popey> as I am on the beta team it looks like its https://people.beta.launchpad.net/ that actually is giving the 500 server error
[10:31] <popey> http://launchpad.net/people works though
[10:32] <popey> wulfepup: beowulfe@wulfeweb.com
[10:32] <popey> https://launchpad.net/~beowulfe assuming that is you, I can't imagine there are many Beowulfe Odhinnssons on the planet? :)
[10:33] <wulfepup> I just added that one.. I think.... 
[10:33] <wulfepup> unless that's my old one and teh new didn't actually go through
[10:35] <popey> well thats the only person with Odhinnsson in the name
[10:36] <wulfepup> and since I haven't yet set up the new one.. only used that email to register.. since it has my name... it must be the old one.. 
[10:36] <wulfepup> Thank you!
[10:44] <carlos> popey: people.launchpad.net doesn't exist
[10:45] <popey> haha
[10:45] <popey> that might explain it
[10:45] <carlos> popey: but we use *.launchpad.net for DNS so for non existing domains, we give that error (which is indeed a bug and we have it pending to be fixed)
[10:45] <popey> wonder why I have it in my recently accessed sites then
[10:47] <pochu> it would be interesting to move it to people.lp.net, imho :)
[10:47] <popey> is there a channel where the web-heads for ubuntu.com hang out?
[10:48] <popey> (i guess it's some of the same people that are here, but my next question isn't lp specific enough to raise here)
[10:48] <mpt> bug 46982
[10:48] <ubotu> Malone bug 46982 in rosetta "Need to support KDE like plural forms" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/46982 - Assigned to   (danilo)
[10:49] <mpt> Who runs ubotu?
[10:50] <carlos> mpt: I think Seveas
[10:50] <carlos> or at least he used to
[10:50] <Seveas> I still do :)
[10:50] <mpt> Seveas, where do we report bugs? :-)
[10:50] <Seveas> lp.net/ubuntu-bots
[10:50] <mpt> cool
[10:51] <mpt> ta
[10:56] <mpt> fqwhgads.launchpad.net
[11:08] <Seveas> mpt, are you going to file a bug or was it general cutiosity? :)
[11:18] <mpt> Seveas, just reported the bug
[11:19] <_john> Hey guys, i have a small question. Why is it that when i try to search for the package zapping, i don't get any results? I already know that its in there, i can access it from some google results.
[11:24] <mpt> _john, show us where you're searching
[11:24] <mpt> What URL do you start from?
[11:25] <_john> from the main launchpad page
[11:26] <_john> this is the generated URL
[11:26] <_john> https://launchpad.net/projects/?text=zapping
[11:26] <Seveas> _john, that searchs for projects/products, not packages within a distro
[11:26] <_john> adn this is the actual url of the source package https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zapping
[11:27] <Seveas> _john, use the search box on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu 
[11:27] <popey> hmm, does the fact that launchpad is an https site affect its pagerank?
[11:27] <popey> I note https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu has no pagerank according to my browser google plugin
[11:27] <mpt> _john, Launchpad doesn't have a global search function yet
[11:27] <mpt> so to find a package, you need to search from the distribution page
[11:27] <mpt> in this case, launchpad.net/ubuntu
[11:27] <popey> which means when people google for answers to problems they get 3 pages of links to stuff, none of which is the answers system
[11:28] <mpt> popey, is that also true for individual question pages?
[11:29] <popey> well the individual question pages are https too
[11:29] <popey> and have no pagerank
[11:29] <_john> Ok, now i understand. I just think that search is search....so i wouldn't know if the package is only associated with ubuntu and doesn't have a project page. But thanks anyway.
[11:29] <popey> didn't know if https was the reason or whether there is some other way to explain a duff pagerank on such a popular site
[11:29] <mpt> _john, eventually it will be, but not yet, sorry
[11:30] <mpt> popey, most of Launchpad has almost ridiculously good pagerank
[11:30] <mpt> and very nearly all of Launchpad is served over HTTPS, so I don't think that's the issue
[11:31] <mpt> e.g. on <http://www.google.com/search?q=alan+pope> your Launchpad page is result #6
[11:32] <popey> hmmm
[11:32] <mpt> One possibility is that there are very few links to answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu yet
[11:33] <popey> well, indeed
[11:33] <popey> the forums are insanely popular
[11:33] <popey> :(
[11:35] <_john> mpt: Ok. thanks
[11:46] <Seveas> mpt, fixed :)
[11:48] <popey> mpt: i reported bug 64149 because i think we should improve the visibility of answers
[11:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 64149 in ubuntu-website "Tech support is too hard to find" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/64149
[12:00] <ubotu> New bug: #110030 in rosetta "epiphany extensions textdomain is wrong" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110030
[12:01] <mpt> Seveas, cool, thanks
[12:02] <mpt> popey, I agree, but then, I think we should improve the visibility of almost everything
[12:16] <ubotu> New bug: #97467 in launchpad "Quick way of enabling a maintenance page on Launchpad when experiencing service interruption" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/97467
[12:21] <ubotu> New bug: #83304 in rosetta "Structural object heading for translation page should be the product/package" [High,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83304
[12:22] <Seveas> que?
[12:22] <Seveas> Old bugs reappearing again?!
[12:24] <carlos> Seveas: I guess is because the status change
[12:24] <Seveas> carlos, they still shouldn't reappear... 
[12:25] <carlos> ok, then ubotu has a bug ;-)
[12:25] <Seveas> indeed :)
[12:37] <mpt> carlos, you'll be at the meeting?
[12:37] <carlos> mpt: yes
[12:37] <mpt> carlos, ok, may I send you my 3 sentences to paste? I won't be there
[12:38] <carlos> sure
[12:38] <mpt> thanks
[12:38] <bluekuja> carlos: edubuntu mails are automatically configured after joining the team in lp?
[12:39] <carlos> bluekuja: no idea
[12:39] <carlos> bluekuja:  you will need to ask on #canonical-sysadmin
[12:39] <bluekuja> do you someone that can give me an answer?
[12:39] <bluekuja> ok great
[12:50] <ubotu> New bug: #110235 in launchpad "New project duplicates checking form" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110235
[12:50] <ubotu> New bug: #110237 in launchpad "Add project merging functionality" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110237
[12:55] <ubotu> New bug: #1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[01:15] <vprints> Hello !
[01:15] <vprints> Any launcpad admins ?
[01:15] <vprints> 'h
[01:15] <ubotu> New bug: #78780 in launchpad "Code that handles pillar names redirection shouldn't crash when the URL contains non-ascii characters" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78780
[01:20] <kiko> yes vprints 
[01:23] <vprints> The problem that i brought up few weeks ago, that the estonian translation team leader isn't active at all
[01:24] <vprints> he hasn't replied to my mail for weeks
[01:25] <vprints> so i again apply for the post of the estonian translation team leader
[01:25] <vprints> as i am the most active translator for that language
[01:36] <ubotu> New bug: #86597 in launchpad-bazaar ""Import your project" link broken on beta" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86597
[01:45] <ubotu> New bug: #110250 in launchpad-bazaar "display mirror branch freshness" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110250
[03:06] <ubotu> New bug: #83616 in soyuz "IHasBuildRecords should support advanced browsing" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83616
[03:06] <ubotu> New bug: #107973 in launchpad-bazaar "Unable to switch off the display of email address in branch revision history" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107973
[03:12] <BenC> hey launchpaders
[03:12] <BenC> I have a small issue
[03:13] <ddaa> we fix issues
[03:13] <ddaa> eventually
[03:13] <BenC> every upload we do for the kernel team as "Ubuntu Kernel Team <kernel-team@lists.ubuntu.com>" as the maintainer, but the uploads get assigned to a non-existent (until lp creates it) team instead of ubuntu-kernel-team, which has the email address
[03:14] <BenC> it creates kernel-team, and assigns it there
[03:15] <BenC> I'm wondering what we can do, outside of creating a bogus ubuntu-kernel-team@lists.ubuntu.com alias
[03:17] <ddaa> I have no idea... and I can't find a soyuz guy online to help...
[03:18] <ddaa> I'm not even sure who's doing soyuz with celso nowadays
[03:19] <statik> I think it might be bigjools
[03:20] <matsubara> cprov: ^
[03:20] <ubotu> New bug: #110275 in launchpad "Email addresses in signatures should be obfuscated" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110275
[03:26] <cprov> BenC: have you done an upload today or yesterday ?
[03:27] <BenC> cprov: no...awhile back I had someone here clean out kernel-team and move all the assigned packages to ubuntu-kernel-team
[03:27] <BenC> and now kernel-team is back after some uploads
[03:27] <BenC> cprov: I plan an upload today for a new source package, if that will help :)
[03:28] <cprov> BenC: salgado added the 'person/team creation rationale' some time ago, this information would help to track where is the problem.
[03:29] <BenC> cprov: I assume it is using the "kernel-team" portion to map from kernel-team@lists.ubuntu.com
[03:29] <BenC> but I would guess it would need to check existing teams/persons to see if that address is confirmed for someone already
[03:29] <cprov> BenC: sure it would, how is the procedure to cleanup the previous mess ?
[03:30] <BenC> I forgot who did it, but I'm sure it took some db voodoo
[03:31] <statik> as a launchpad user, where can I find a list of the different values used in X-Launchpad-Message-Rationale: so that I can sort bug mail sanely?
[03:32] <salgado> BenC, I bet that when we first saw un upload with that email we created a new person (kernel-team) with that email address
[03:32] <salgado> BenC, now when we look up a person by that email address we get the kernel-team
[03:32] <cprov> BenC: what I can say is that changesfile.{changed-by, maintainer} and dsc.{maintainer} could generate new Person creation
[03:33] <BenC> salgado: but that team was destroyed...and it came back even though ubuntu-kernel-team has existed since lp first opened
[03:34] <salgado> BenC, IIRC, the code will always create new person entries if the email address used to look up the person is not registered
[03:34] <statik> the kernel team is indestructible! like a sphinx it will not die...
[03:34] <salgado> BenC, cprov should be able to confirm that
[03:35] <BenC> salgado: but it does exist and is registered to the ubuntu-kernel-team :)
[03:35] <cprov> salgado: right, I wonder if 'safe_fix_maintainer' is doing something wrong with: 'Ubuntu Kernel Team <kernel-team@lists.ubuntu.com>'
[03:36] <salgado> wow, that's weird. let me check what email is associated with kernel-team
[03:38] <salgado> BenC, would it be possible that kernel-team@lists.ubuntu.com was not in the database for some time? maybe the time in between removing the kernel-team person and associating the email with ubuntu-kernel-team/
[03:38] <BenC> salgado: no way possible
[03:39] <BenC> as I said, ubuntu-kernel-team and it's registered email have been in lp since it opened
[03:39] <BenC> since before we even did the bugzilla->malone conversion
[03:42] <cprov> something wrong with LP or is it my side ?
[03:43] <jml> it's wrong w/ LP
[03:43] <salgado> maybe the whole DC? I can't connect to devpad
[03:44] <jsgotangco> not even archive
[03:45] <cprov> jez ... end-of-the-world
[03:46] <carlos> cprov: :-P
[03:48] <jsgotangco> gahhh
[03:51] <SteveA> mrevell: ping
[03:51] <mrevell> SteveA: pong
[03:52] <barry> cprov: ouch, i can't get to lp.c.c either
[03:52] <SteveA> hep
[03:52] <SteveA> yep
[03:52] <SteveA> looks like some kind of connection problem
 15:42 < Ng> there is a general issue at the moment with the data centre. sysadmin strike ninjas are en route
[03:53] <SteveA> thanks
[03:54] <flacoste> whats the update frequency of edge?
[03:54] <flacoste> mthaddon: ^^^
[03:56] <matsubara> flacoste: looking at the logs, it seems to be daily at 400UTC
[03:57] <flacoste> matsubara: thx!
[03:58] <kiko> hey there
[03:58] <SteveA> hey
[03:58] <kiko> what's going on?
[03:58] <SteveA> someone stole the DC
[03:58] <SteveA> or something
[03:58] <SteveA> well maybe not
[03:58] <kiko> well I want it back
[03:58] <SteveA> some DC problem
[03:59] <schwuk> That's why I prefered Marvel
[03:59] <kiko> schwuk, yeah, marvel kicked DC's ass
[03:59] <kiko> except for the dark night 
[03:59] <jsgotangco> hahaha
[04:00] <SteveA> Welcome to today's Launchpad Development meeting
[04:00] <SteveA> who's here?
[04:00] <ddaa> here
[04:00] <salgado> me
[04:00] <mrevell> me
[04:00] <schwuk> me
[04:00] <kiko> I AM CANADA
[04:00] <ddaa> jml not here, gave me sentences
[04:00] <allenap> me
[04:00] <ddaa> thumper on leave
[04:00] <jamesh> me
[04:00] <matsubara> me
[04:00] <sinzui> me
[04:00] <barry> me
[04:01] <BjornT> me
[04:01] <flacoste> me
[04:01] <stu1> me
[04:01] <ddaa> spiv: you here?
[04:01] <stub> me
[04:01] <kiko> man this DC disaster is a disaster
[04:01] <cprov> me
[04:02] <barry> kiko: hey man, don't diss DC... right sinzui?! :)
[04:02] <SteveA> = Agenda =
[04:02] <SteveA>  * whatever
[04:02] <SteveA> I don't have the agenda, as it's in the DC
[04:02] <SteveA> so I'll make this up as I go
[04:02] <Nafallo> hehe
[04:02] <mrevell> Stevea: I've got a copy on my screen
[04:02] <SteveA> mrevell: wow
[04:02] <jamesh> mrevell: paste away
[04:03] <schwuk> SteveA: I've got it as well
[04:03] <mrevell>     *
[04:03] <mrevell>       Roll call
[04:03] <mrevell>     *
[04:03] <mrevell>       Agenda
[04:03] <mrevell>     *
[04:03] <danilos> me
[04:03] <mrevell>       Next meeting
[04:03] <mrevell>     *
[04:03] <mrevell>       Activity reports
[04:03] <mrevell>     *
[04:03] <mrevell>       Actions from last meeting
[04:03] <mrevell>     *
[04:03] <mrevell>       Oops report (Matsubara)
[04:03] <mrevell>     *
[04:03] <mrevell>       Bug report (Joey - Current Top Items)
[04:03] <mrevell>     *
[04:03] <mrevell>       Bug tags
[04:03] <mrevell>     *
[04:03] <mrevell>       Production and staging (Stuart)
[04:03] <mrevell>     *
[04:03] <mrevell>       Sysadmin requests (Current Queue)
[04:03] <mrevell>     *
[04:03] <mrevell>       A top user-affecting issue (mrevell)
[04:03] <mrevell>     *
[04:03] <mrevell>       Launchpad buzz report (mrevell)
[04:03] <mrevell>     *
[04:03] <mrevell>       (other items)
[04:03] <mrevell>     *
[04:03] <mrevell>       Three sentences
[04:03] <mrevell> ooh, sorry, that was messy
[04:04] <SteveA> no worries
[04:04] <danilos> you should not paste directly from wiki :)
[04:04] <SteveA> Next meeting: same time, same day, same place
[04:04] <jamesh> danilos: not much choice right now
[04:04] <SteveA> Activity reports: let's skip this
[04:04] <kiko> SteveA, cprov and I will be in london but will make it.
[04:04] <SteveA> (for reasons that will become apparent once the email lists reappear)
[04:04] <danilos> I am on vacation next week
[04:04] <jamesh> kiko: can you fix the DC while you're there?
[04:04] <danilos> so missing the meeting as well
[04:05] <SteveA> thanks
[04:05] <kiko> jamesh, if the DC isn't fixed by then I will probably not catch the plane
[04:05] <SteveA>  * Oops report: matsubara 
[04:05] <carlos> me
[04:05] <matsubara> Today's oops report is about bugs 105303, 92164, 107575, 57474
[04:05] <SteveA> carlos: you?
[04:05] <kiko> matsubara, do you have summaries handy?
[04:05] <carlos> SteveA: I was distracted :-P
[04:05] <carlos> so I was late for the meeting
[04:05] <kiko> given we don't have ubugtu the elder
[04:05] <matsubara> I thought ubotu would help
[04:05] <kiko> I can produce summaries hang on
[04:06] <kiko> [Bug 105303]  Re: Visiting 'Change translator' form fails with
[04:06] <kiko>         NoCanonicalUrl
[04:06] <kiko> carlos, how is that one going? we need a fix by tomorrow.
[04:06] <bac> i am here but having trouble with IRC
[04:06] <matsubara> that's assigned to carlos
[04:06] <bac_afk> me
[04:06] <carlos> kiko: it's part of the patch I asked you to review yesterday, BjornT is doing that review right now
[04:07] <kiko> carlos, thanks!
[04:07] <kiko> good jobaroo
[04:07] <kiko> [Bug 92164]  Re: setInWSGIEnvironment fails sometimes trying to insert
[04:07] <kiko>         'launchpad.userid'
[04:07] <matsubara> that's assigend to SteveA 
[04:07] <kiko> and it should be assigned to somebody else
[04:07] <kiko> jamesh perhaps?
[04:07] <kiko> can you get a fix in for us by tomorrow?
[04:07] <kiko> is it complicated, SteveA?
[04:07] <matsubara> it's tricky to reproduce though an seem to happen in different places of LP
[04:07] <SteveA> no, but it needs doing right
[04:07] <jamesh> I think 92164 is related to Retrys
[04:08] <SteveA> it is
[04:08] <SteveA> it is related to retries
[04:08] <kiko> SteveA, can jamesh tackle it as a one-off by tomorrow?
[04:08] <SteveA> I can describe the fix exactly
[04:08] <kiko> say yes please
[04:08] <SteveA> if he has time
[04:08] <SteveA> I can describe how to fix it
[04:08] <flacoste> if he hasn't time, i can give a shot at it
[04:09] <kiko> [Bug 107575]  Launchpad should handle invalid blob encoding better
[04:09] <jamesh> if it is a simple fix, I could look at it for tomorrow
[04:09] <kiko> jamesh, okay, consider it assigned and I will be looking for that fix tomorrow.
[04:09] <kiko> thanks
[04:09] <SteveA> jamesh: it's simple.  I'll describe the fix after the meeting
[04:09] <kiko> matsubara, is that bug BjornT's or stub's?
[04:09] <matsubara> that one I asked BjornT to take a look.
[04:10] <BjornT> i haven't looked at it yet, sorry.
[04:10] <kiko> so.. which is it?
[04:10] <statik> wow lag!
[04:10] <statik> me
[04:10] <kiko> BjornT, if it's an infrastructure thing can you still handle it or will you need help?
[04:10] <jamesh> SteveA: okay
[04:10] <kiko> [Bug 57474]  Re: Passing a list as the query string in the project
[04:10] <kiko>         search field crashes ftq
[04:11] <matsubara> we have an increase in oops regadring bug 57474. someone is spamming the global search form and triggering that bug. I don't know if that should be a priority as it's not affecting real users
[04:11] <kiko> flacoste, I'm going to give that one to you
[04:11] <flacoste> ok
[04:11] <Nafallo> Seveas: you should kick kiko for abusive behaviour ;-)
[04:11] <BjornT> kiko: it's not an infrastructure thing, it's malone specific.
[04:11] <kiko> flacoste, ideally we'd have an infrastructure hitch that avoided this happening everywhere..
[04:12] <flacoste> kiko: no problem
[04:12] <xplode_me> is launchpad working ok? I cant access it :(
[04:12] <kiko> flacoste, but if we don't then we don't
[04:12] <Nafallo> xplode_me: no. datacentre offline. ninjas are on it.
[04:12] <kiko> xplode_me, the hosting center was hit by an atomic bomb
[04:12] <xplode_me> oh, I see
[04:12] <xplode_me> hope the servers resist the radiation ^^
[04:12] <BjornT> flacoste, kiko: it was discussed how we could deal with these kind of errors. i can send flacoste an mail, explaining what should be done.
[04:13] <kiko> thanks BjornT 
[04:13] <kiko> you rock -- perfect
[04:13] <kiko> matsubara, are there any other OOPSes that we'd like to see fixed by monday?
[04:13] <flacoste> BjornT: please do, I'll be delighted to hear you thoughts on that one
[04:13] <ddaa> branch-scanner email oopses
[04:13] <ddaa> see any branch scanner oops summary
[04:13] <ddaa> I'm on it.
[04:13] <ddaa> There was one bug filed, but it fixed itself.
[04:14] <ddaa> The other problem has no bug filed, and I'm debugged it.
[04:14] <ddaa> (as well as a secondary bug that's currently obscured by the current problem)
[04:14] <kiko> ddaa, you will have fixes in place for these by monday?
[04:14] <matsubara> ddaa: which issue doesn't have a bug filed?
[04:15] <kiko> meaning in production
[04:15] <ddaa> kiko: unlikely. I hope to have the branches in review before the the week-end though.
[04:15] <ddaa> matsubara: oops in getDiff
[04:15] <kiko> hokay
[04:15] <kiko> any other oopses?
[04:15] <matsubara> ddaa: is that the email enconding one?
[04:15] <jamesh> matsubara: yes
[04:15] <ddaa> matsubara: the bug that was filed was about the oops in getRevisionMessage
[04:16] <ddaa> which fixed itself
[04:16] <jamesh> ddaa: how did it fix itself?
[04:16] <ddaa> jamesh: ask the faeries
[04:16] <sinzui> hammers and nails
[04:16] <ddaa> spent two hours yesterday failing to reproduce it.
[04:17] <jam-laptop> ddaa: just a quick question, is anyone else having problems routing to canonical.com?
[04:17] <jam-laptop> It seems to be completely dead for me
[04:17] <ddaa> jam-laptop: DC is down
[04:17] <jamesh> jam-laptop: data centre is offline
[04:17] <jam-laptop> launchpad, irc.canonical, bazar-vcs
[04:17] <jam-laptop> ah, ok
[04:17] <jam-laptop> thanks
[04:18] <ddaa> let's move on
[04:18] <matsubara> I'm done here SteveA, kiko.
[04:18] <SteveA> thanks matsubara 
[04:18] <SteveA> bug report
[04:19] <SteveA> unless someone's prepared one, we'll skip this
[04:19] <jamesh> ddaa: maybe the bug occurs with bzr-0.11 (what is in production), but not bzr-0.15?
[04:19] <SteveA> bug tags
[04:19] <SteveA>  -- any new ones proposed?
[04:19] <ddaa> jamesh: I tried that, too
[04:19] <SteveA> ok
[04:19] <SteveA> production and staging
[04:19] <SteveA> stub: 
[04:19] <stub> beta is still running the onramp branch. Automatic redirection has been put in place for the beta testers group.
[04:19] <stub> all other systems running as expected, although people might not be able to tell given that the data centre has dropped off the 'Net.
[04:19] <stub> I'm on leave next week.
[04:20] <kiko> stub, is tom able to handle a rollout next week?
[04:20] <stub> I think so - up to Tom really
[04:21] <kiko> I mean, has he done one before?
[04:21] <kiko> assisted or otherwise?
[04:21] <salgado> he did some cherry picks at least
[04:21] <stub> kiko: He has done cherry picks. I don't think he has updated he  librarian, authserver etc. yet
[04:21] <kiko> is the process documented well enough, stub?
[04:22] <stub> tom is documentng the existing pocedurers.
[04:22] <kiko> I don't know if that answers my question though
[04:22] <salgado> yay, we're back?
[04:22] <kiko> apparently
[04:22] <kiko> mthaddon, are you happy and able to do a rollout next week?
[04:23] <pochu> DC is up, but LP is still down
[04:23] <pochu> for maintenance :)
[04:24] <jamesh> not all services are up
[04:25] <cprov> bye bye 'screens', machines were restarted :( 
[04:25] <mthaddon> kiko: I'll confirm with stub before then, but my feeling is I'm not ready for a full rollout but can do cherry picks
[04:25] <kiko> mthaddon, I need a full rollout done..
[04:25] <kiko> stub, will you be afk the whole week?
[04:25] <kiko> want to swap a day?
[04:26] <stub> kiko: no. I'll be afk for a few days, but will have phone
[04:26] <mthaddon> kiko: I'd leave it to stub's discretion as to whether he thinks I could be up to speed to do a full rollout
[04:27] <Theuni> hmm. btw: the offline method for launchpad still says (C) 2004-2005
[04:27] <Theuni> s/method/message/
[04:27] <mthaddon> stub: what do you think - I feel comfortable enough about the main LP stuff, but it's all the other pieces I'm concerned about
[04:27] <mrevell> thanks Theuni
[04:27] <kiko> stub, mthaddon: can you two do a test rollout together to ensure that tom knows what to do?
[04:27] <kiko> stub, alternative, can you be around for a rev either mon or tue?
[04:27] <kiko> alternatively
[04:28] <stub> What is urgent that needs to land?
[04:28] <cprov> mthaddon: I can deal with soyuz part myself, if it helps.
[04:28] <stub> I'll be afk on Monday for sure
[04:29] <kiko> stub, tue?
[04:29] <mthaddon> will be away for a few mins - bring LP back online with elmo
[04:29] <kiko> tell you what
[04:29] <kiko> YOU SORT IT OUT
[04:29] <stub> we can probably just roll out the app servers like last time
[04:29] <kiko> :)
[04:29] <kiko> cool
[04:30] <kiko> indeed nothing else will need to be updated I don't think
[04:30] <kiko> SteveA, shrug
[04:30] <jamesh> stub: we'll want to roll out the Bazaar stuff, since the 0.15 upgrade
[04:30] <jamesh> branch mirror and scanner
[04:30] <ddaa> and the authserver, which has a r=SteveA patch on the way
[04:31] <ddaa> anyway, nothing we cannot sort out
[04:31] <stub> tuesday I'll be around at some point
[04:31] <ddaa> stub: I'm sure mthaddon will do just fine with the help of the folks here.
[04:32] <SteveA> stub, mthaddon: maybe you both can do a rollout tomorrow as a test run?
[04:32] <Spads> Launchpad is back in operation.
[04:32] <jamesh> Spads: thanks
[04:32] <stub> Not much point me doing a rollout...
[04:32] <SteveA> thanks Spads 
[04:32] <statik_> Spads: thank you!
[04:32] <stub> I think you just mean mthaddon
[04:32] <salgado> I'm still getting 503s here
[04:32] <Spads> thank mthaddon, elmo, and znarl!
[04:33] <salgado> oh, it was beta
[04:33] <danilos> salgado: beta is still off
[04:33] <mthaddon> salgado: I'll bring beta up in a sec
[04:33] <danilos> ok, too slow :)
[04:33] <SteveA> stub: I think I mean you and mthaddon, like mthaddon rolls out the authserver + librarian with you supervising
[04:34] <stub> It really is pretty trivial, but ok
[04:34] <SteveA> awsomer
[04:34] <mthaddon> stub: not sure how to bring beta back up as there aren't initscripts - how do you do that typically?
[04:35] <stub> mthaddon: make start
[04:35] <SteveA> sysadmin requests...
[04:35] <stub> mthaddon: check the Makefile in /srv/beta.launchpad.net/launchpad
[04:36] <kiko> no RTs from me
[04:36] <mthaddon> stub: cool, thx
[04:36] <kiko> no relevant RTs I've seen mentioned on-list
[04:36] <SteveA> https://launchpad.canonical.com/JoeyStanford/toprtrequests
[04:37] <salgado> mthaddon, can you bring staging back as well? (no hurry, of course)
[04:37] <SteveA> ok
[04:37] <mthaddon> salgado: sure
[04:37] <mthaddon> beta is back
[04:37] <SteveA> mrevell: top issue for this week from you?
[04:38] <mrevell> We've had a couple of interesting issues lately. Someone has raised the issue of administering teams when potential/current members have hidden their email address. It becomes difficult to interact with these members. Bug 66105 covers this.
[04:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 66105 in launchpad "Team admin can't contact prospective member who hides e-mail addresses" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/66105
[04:38] <jamesh> mthaddon: and the authserver?
[04:38] <mrevell> We've also had a request for Launchpad to automatically crop or scale hackergotchis and other images, to the correct size. Would this take too much processing power to make it woth our while?
[04:38] <mrevell> The next user meeting is on Wednesday 2 May at 16.00 UTC.
[04:38] <mrevell> Thanks to everyone who has taken a session in Ubuntu Open Week. We've had some good feedback so far and I look forward to seeing the remaining sessions.
[04:38] <jamesh> mthaddon: probably worth keeping track of what isn't coming up automatically too.
[04:38] <mrevell> That's all from me.
[04:38] <mthaddon> jamesh: definitely
[04:38] <kiko> mrevell, no, and in fact, we used to do this
[04:38] <kiko> right salgado?
[04:38] <stub> mrevell: not if we keep a cache
[04:38] <SteveA> mrevell: we're not automatically cropping and scaling mugshot kinda images
[04:38] <salgado> not cropping
[04:38] <salgado> we did scaling
[04:39] <mrevell> right
[04:39] <SteveA> mrevell: because the results are often not as sharp and aesthetic as ones done by a real person who cares about the result
[04:39] <mrevell> SteveA: Right, I see.
[04:39] <jamesh> cropping/scaling images on input shouldn't be a problem
[04:39] <SteveA> we all know it's not a huge technical issue
[04:39] <mrevell> Is it worth offering it as an option?
[04:39] <jamesh> (CPU wise)
[04:40] <sinzui> I think we should only scale a certain percent
[04:40] <SteveA> we're not doing it.  we can re-evaluate this in 3 months.
[04:40] <jtv> May be a net save, if people upload large images
[04:40] <statik> we could point people to something like snipshot.com in the help
[04:41] <mrevell> ok, thanks for the input. I'll mention that we'll look at it again in three months.
[04:41] <mrevell> statik: Thanks for that.
[04:41] <SteveA> mrevell: would you summarize the open-week feedback in your weekly report?
[04:41] <jamesh> mrevell: maybe try to find out if the people complaining are those who are uploading new images, or those who had uploaded images before the size restrictions?
[04:41] <jamesh> (the latter would see weirdly scaled versions on their user/project pages)
[04:41] <mrevell> SteveA: Yep, I'll put it in next week, as we still have some LP sessions in open week.
[04:42] <mrevell> jamesh: will do
[04:42] <SteveA> ok thanks
[04:42] <SteveA> we're running out of time, so...
[04:42] <SteveA>  * three sentences
[04:42] <carlos> DONE: Firefox imports, gutsy tasks planning, bug #83304 review, cleanup Translation groups pages to fit 1.0 UI
[04:42] <carlos> TODO: Request a review for Firefox imports, write draft for translations imports, some trivial 1.0 cleanups
[04:42] <carlos> BLOCKED: no
[04:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 83304 in rosetta "Structural object heading for translation page should be the product/package" [High,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83304 - Assigned to Carlos Perell Marn (carlos)
[04:42] <flacoste> DONE: Completed AnswerSpec, bug fixes for 1.0 release
[04:42] <flacoste> TODO: more 1.0 bug fixes, write spec
[04:42] <flacoste> BLOCKED: no
[04:42] <jtv> DONE: Landings for Monday, getting up to speed on Firefox XPI support
[04:42] <jtv> TODO: Copying translation strings for Gutsy, Firefox export
[04:42] <jtv> BLOCKED: no
[04:42] <matsubara> DONE: triage, checked oops since beta release, meetings with kiko
[04:42] <matsubara> TODO: more triage
[04:42] <matsubara> BLOCKED: no
[04:42] <allenap> DONE: bug-81014 (not complete), bug-103364 (reviewed okay by flacoste, but merge rf now conflicts + introduced new bugs)
[04:42] <bac> DONE: reviewer training, file mgmt code, lp-comm monitoring spec, lp-comm/salesforce integration
[04:42] <bac> TODO: Finish file mgmt, reviewer training, lp-comm month-one goals
[04:42] <allenap> TODO: resolve test errors from new sample data in bug-81014, land bug-103364 (today hopefully). more bugs already assigned.
[04:42] <allenap> BLOCKED: no
[04:42] <bac> BLOCKED: No
[04:42] <jamesh> DONE: code review, LP security stuff, database reconnection for the app servers
[04:42] <jamesh> TODO: code review, bug 92164, storm stuff, other tasks
[04:42] <jamesh> BLOCKED: no
[04:42] <barry> DONE: testsuiterepair branch submitted, reviewed, replied; phase two spec completed, reviewed by steve & joey, updated, awaiting review from kiko; projects & teams email; phase one spec completed, reviewed by kiko and elmo, mmbuild branch submitted
[04:42] <barry> TODO: spec up projects & teams; complete phase three spec
[04:42] <barry> BLOCKED: no
[04:42] <ubotu> Bug 92164 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/92164 is private
[04:42] <cprov> DONE: open gutsy, rolling soyuz code (NSS stage-one and nu-cataclysm)
[04:42] <cprov> TODO: archive removals, PPA (here we go again) and general fixing.
[04:42] <cprov> BLOCKED: no
[04:42] <BjornT> DONE: code reviews. fix up and land a bunch of old branches. ubuntu
[04:42] <BjornT> open week.
[04:42] <BjornT> TODO: code reviews. bug fixes. closing bugs via changelogs.
[04:42] <BjornT> BLOCKED: no
[04:42] <danilos> DONE: landed bug-91089, bug-2718, prepared openweek session, merge 'translated' and 'reviewed' labels
[04:42] <danilos> TODO: have openweek session, vacation
[04:42] <danilos> BLOCKED: no
[04:42] <salgado> DONE: Shipit, some mirror prober fixes, more code review and started working on bug 1135.
[04:42] <salgado> TODO: Finish with bug 1135, more shipit, code review and random fixes
[04:42] <salgado> BLOCKED: No
[04:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1135 in launchpad "No obvious way to get from a person/team to what projects/products they're involved in" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1135 - Assigned to Guilherme Salgado (salgado)
[04:42] <sinzui> DONE: Completed 'Add unsupported requests' (75487), 'All languages should be a radio button' (90767), 'Cannot see support requesters name' (89100), 'Extraneous doublequote' (109318),  'Question retargeting' to (34050). Worked on 'I Solved my Problem' button is ambiguous, (107810).
[04:42] <sinzui> TODO: 'Display an asterisk next to the supported languages' (75485), 'Notification for questing in preferred languages only' (81369)
[04:42] <sinzui> BLOCKED: No.
[04:42] <mrevell> DONE: Ubuntu Open Week, changes to LP tour
[04:42] <mrevell> TO DO: More Ubuntu Open Week, blogging and press coverage for Launchpad, finalise changes to tour.
[04:42] <mrevell> BLOCKED: No
[04:42] <schwuk> DONE: systems access, local code setup, reading policies and procedures, finding my way around the code
[04:42] <schwuk> TODO: reading policies and procedures, finding my way around the code
[04:42] <schwuk> BLOCKE: no
[04:43] <stub> TODO: Leave, then Statement timeouts
[04:43] <statik> DONE: customer interactions, landed support patch, infrastructure, code review. saw a real live web page that said "strategical" in a customer testimonial.
[04:43] <statik> TODO: spec writing, more customer interactions, dig into team design
[04:43] <statik> BLOCKED: no
[04:43] <stub> DONE: OpenID
[04:43] <stub> BLOCKED: No
 DONE: Open week presentation, SFTP renaming bug, some work on
[04:43] <ddaa> SFTP permissions bug
 TODO: finish SFTP permissions bug, work on hosting smart server
[04:43] <ddaa> on supermirror
 BLOCKED: no
[04:43] <ddaa> DONE: sprint with thumper, helped jml on openweek, refactored branch-email tests, debugged branch-email oopses
[04:43] <ddaa> TODO: finalize branch-email oopses fixes, fix imports for distro folks
[04:43] <ddaa> BLOCKED: no
[04:43] <kiko> DONE: coordination, catch up on admin tasks, lots of high-level planning and discussion, management
[04:43] <SteveA> DONE: planning with joey, vacation days
[04:43] <SteveA> TODO: management
[04:43] <SteveA> BLOCKED: no
[04:43] <kiko> TODO: travel to london, help next release, try and get branch set up
[04:43] <kiko> BLOCKED: noooo
[04:44] <jamesh> strategical?
 DONE: bug fixing, Brilliant fixes
 TODO: land 1.0 bug page, browser compatibility fixes
 BLOCKED: no
[04:45] <SteveA> jamesh: ?
[04:45] <kiko> oink
[04:45] <jamesh> SteveA: looking at statik's sentences
[04:45] <SteveA> yay
[04:45] <SteveA> more strategical please
[04:46] <SteveA> thanks everyone
[04:46] <SteveA> particularly the sysadmin ninjas
[04:46] <SteveA> MEETING ENDS
[04:46] <salgado> BenC, ping
[04:46] <SteveA> jamesh, stub, mthaddon... call in 15 mins
[04:46] <statik> jamesh: I was just too amazed not to share that
[04:46] <mthaddon> SteveA: sounds good
[04:46] <sinzui> jamesh: I think we could do a better job on the mug shots bu scaling up no more than 25%, then expand the canvas the remaining size.
[04:47] <stub> SteveA: not now? 
[04:47] <jamesh> statik: of course, with Google you can probably find 1000 other occurrences in seconds
[04:47] <jtv> sinzui: why scale them up, ever?  Let the browser do that...
[04:47] <jamesh> jtv: browsers do a crap job at scaling
[04:47] <sinzui> jtv: The browser scales like a chair.
[04:47] <BenC> salgado: ?
[04:48] <salgado> we were only scaling them down --never scaling them up
[04:48] <jamesh> jtv: browsers don't generally do interpolation
[04:48] <jtv> sinzui: I just upscaled my chair and I'm quite happy about it
[04:48] <kiko> thanks matsubara, good job
[04:48] <jamesh> at least the common ones don't
[04:48] <salgado> BenC, so, apparently somebody removed kernel-team@lists.ubuntu.com from ubuntu-kernel-team. that email is now associated with kernel-team
[04:48] <sinzui> jtv: now that you mention it, my chair also scales. I decided to lower my desk instead.
[04:48] <BenC> salgado: I'm admin, and I know I didn't do it :)
[04:49] <jtv> sinzui: well then, there you go.  Browser scaling is fine.  Not good enough?  Upload a better picture.
[04:49] <sinzui> jtv: So much for letting my fingers type obtuse examples.
[04:49] <jtv> sinzui: You only have yourself to blame.
[04:50] <jtv> Entertaining, though.
[04:50] <salgado> BenC, heh. that email seems to have been created on 2007-03-19, so it looks like ubuntu-kernel-team's contact address was changed recently
[04:50] <sinzui> jtv: Self is a complex entity, and I suspect it was my right-brained side that insisted I type chair.
[04:50] <jamesh> jtv: iirc, the constraints on new uploads require that the size matches exactly
[04:51] <jtv> jamesh: that sucks!
[04:51] <jamesh> jtv: if you see scaled images anywhere, they were either uploaded before the new UI or were scaled by the user beforehand
[04:51] <jtv> jamesh: it's only one command line with imagemagick IIRC
[04:51] <jamesh> sure
[04:51] <jamesh> jtv: it was a conscious decision
[04:51] <jtv> jamesh: I get pretty ugly scaling, and I uploaded a month ago or less
[04:51] <salgado> we used to do the scaling but it was reverted
[04:52] <jtv> Shame.  You never get a universally good result, but it can help.  File formats, too.
[04:52] <kiko> salgado, we know. :-/
[04:53] <jtv> Then there's attacks on vulnerabilities in browsers' rendering code...  If you run conversions in unprivileged processes on the server, you stop those.  Don't know if they ever happen though.
[04:54] <sinzui> We can use PIL
[04:54] <jtv> PIL     Preferred Items List
[04:54] <jtv> PIL     Python Imaging Library
[04:54] <barry> PIL +1
[04:54] <sinzui> Python Image Library (not Public Image Limited)
[04:54] <barry> should be very easy to do w/PIL
[04:54] <Nafallo> Pain In Leg :-)
[04:54] <jtv> sinzui: thanks, I didn't have that one yet.  You are entitled to carry the GCP logo on your homepage or website.
[04:55] <jtv> http://xs4all.nl/~jtv/gtf/
[04:55] <jtv> Nafallo: you too.
[04:55] <jtv> We now have 22315 TLAs (9482 different letter combinations).
[04:56] <Nafallo> hehe, kewl :-)
[04:56] <sinzui> ha
[04:56] <kiko> carlos, vprints is having a problem with an inactive translation team lead.
[04:56] <kiko> what should we do about it?
[04:57] <carlos> vprints: please mail current maintainer with CC to rosetta@launchpad.net asking for response and if he doesn't answer in a week
[04:58] <carlos> we can give extra permissions to another member
[04:58] <carlos> so he handles this kind of problems
[04:59] <carlos> vprints: which team is it?
[04:59] <vprints> estonian
[05:00] <vprints> we talked with you about it about a month ago
[05:01] <carlos> hmm
[05:01] <carlos> sorry, my memory is quite bad
[05:01] <carlos> did you send that email at that point?
[05:02] <vprints> yes
[05:03] <jtv> BjornT: hi
[05:03] <vprints> you can see that he's been inactive for months
[05:03] <carlos> vprints: ok, let me take a look to my logs
[05:04] <vprints> k
[05:04] <BjornT> hi jtv 
[05:05] <carlos> vprints: ok, no karma since 2006-06-01
[05:05] <vprints> :)
[05:05] <carlos> that's a good sign of not being working at all..
[05:06] <carlos> vprints: is there any thread in your localisation mailing list about this issue?
[05:06] <carlos> vprints: any volunteer to take care of that role?
[05:07] <vprints> Yes, me
[05:08] <vprints> we don't have an active localisation mailing list
[05:08] <vprints> we have a general localisation channel on freenode
[05:08] <kiko> vprints, estonia eh?
[05:09] <vprints> yes
[05:09] <carlos> vprints: I just checked all members of your team
[05:09] <carlos> and you are the most active one
[05:09] <vprints> good
[05:09] <vprints> :)
[05:09] <vprints> kiko, did you mean the channel ?
[05:10] <kiko> the country.
[05:10] <carlos> kiko: could you give him the ownership of the team https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-et ?
[05:10] <kiko> sure.
[05:10] <carlos> kiko: thanks
[05:15] <ubotu> New bug: #57871 in bzr "Strange break-lock output (dup-of: 87934)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/57871
[05:17] <carlos> jtv: hi, you pinged me before the meeting
[05:17] <carlos> jtv: what could I do for you?
[05:21] <jtv> carlos: oh, just questions about the code, never mind.
[05:22] <carlos> ok
[05:22] <jtv> carlos: for example, a parameter called "language" that isn't used anywhere.  But once you get done on your side, I'll do some refactoring.
[05:23] <LarstiQ> navond
[05:23] <jtv> carlos: I also talked to stub about the database, so I understand a bit better what the problem is and what I should watch out for.
[05:23] <carlos> jtv: cool
[05:23] <carlos> jtv: I'm using again 'make lint' so most of those should be detected once I'm done with that branch
[05:24] <jtv> carlos: nice!
[05:25] <jtv> carlos: and actually the "dict including a list of dicts" approach is quite nice for fast prototyping.
[05:25] <jtv> carlos: see what stucture emerges first, then fix it in a class hierarchy.
[05:25] <habeeb> how are you doing gentlemen?
[05:26] <jtv> how kind of you to ask!
[05:26] <carlos> jtv: anyway, as agreed before, I'm not changing it with this version
[05:27] <habeeb> I tried to apply my PGP key today in launchpad. I received a mail , with some "instructions", instead of the instructions I got an encrypted (?) text, tho. I tried decrypting it with FirePGP tho, and it says that it isn't PGP data..
[05:27] <habeeb> What's happening in my COMPUTER?
[05:27] <habeeb> The internets are broken? Am I retarded? What's the problem?
[05:27] <jtv> carlos: no, that's fine, as agreed.
[05:27] <jtv> habeeb: there was a data centre outage today
[05:28] <jtv> habeeb: though I don't know whether that has anything to do with the problem.
[05:28] <habeeb> I don't think so...
[05:28] <habeeb> I mean, I can't read the instructions..
[05:28] <jtv> Why?
[05:28] <jtv> Oh, the email, right
[05:28] <habeeb> moment.
[05:29] <Spads> I have just brought the gpg keyserver back into operation about 20 minutes ago
[05:29] <kiko> thanks Spads 
[05:30] <habeeb> Spads: that's the email I got http://rafb.net/p/qoftHq76.html
[05:31] <habeeb> kinda... I edited some lines of the PGP code
[05:31] <jtv> carlos: I'll also add a lot of comments to the code... :-)
[05:31] <habeeb> So, what am I supposed to do with FirePGP? Right click the code, and click Decrypt, right?
[05:31] <Spads> habeeb: well that looks like a valid ascii PGP block, so you may want to try working with your tools a while.
[05:32] <habeeb> "Sorry, but your selection doesn't contain any GPG valid data (for this operation)
[05:32] <jtv> habeeb: what did you select?
[05:33] <habeeb> The stuff under Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) till the -----END PGP MESSAGE-----
[05:33] <BenC> salgado: I think I may know why the email address isn't assigned to ubuntu-kernel-team...if I give it an email, will bugs sub'd to it send the email to that address?
[05:33] <jtv> habeeb: Try starting one line earlier
[05:33] <BenC> we don't want the bugs going there
[05:34] <jtv> habeeb: so *include* the -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- line!
[05:34] <habeeb> i see
[05:34] <salgado> BenC, yes, bugmail will go to that address
[05:34] <habeeb> Woah! MAGIC!
[05:34] <BenC> salgado: any way to configure it not to?
[05:34] <jtv> habeeb: :-)
[05:34] <habeeb> Thank you, jtv 
[05:34] <jtv> habeeb: all in a day's work
[05:35] <habeeb> Aw man I'm so cool now. I have an OpenPGP key!
[05:35] <jtv> habeeb: today you are One of Us.  :-)
[05:35] <habeeb> And 1054 karma ...
[05:36] <kiko> vprints, what's your launchpad id?
[05:36] <habeeb> Seriously, in a month when I finish school... I'll really concentrate on contributing..
[05:36] <habeeb> and well... going out.
[05:36] <vprints> vprints
[05:36] <vprints> =)
[05:37] <salgado> BenC, unfortunately, no
[05:37] <jtv> habeeb: don't forget though, dating and partying don't raise your karma score.  :)
[05:38] <Nafallo> jtv: will need to implement that :-)
[05:38] <habeeb> :P
[05:38] <salgado> cprov-lunch, what do you think of maintaining a manual mapping of email-addresses-used-in-the-uploader-field to teams/people in launchpad? that way we could link packages to the appropriate teams without requiring them to register a contact address and getting unwanted bugmail
[05:39] <jtv> Nafallo: no way.  Think what it'll do to our productivity...
[05:39] <Nafallo> :-)
[05:41] <salgado> BenC, I think this will be possible in a few months, but if this is a real problem now we can try to do the workaround I suggested to cprov-lunch (^)
[05:41] <habeeb> You get karma by asking questions? ~_~
[05:42] <kiko> vprints, done.
[05:42] <vprints> Thankyou!
[05:42] <vprints> I'll do my very best :)
[05:42] <BenC> salgado: It's mainly a matter of consistency...we want packages on the right team...but I'd also like to have a real contact email for a team without it being used as a bug list
[05:42] <kiko> I know you will
[05:43] <BenC> salgado: it's not hurting anything at the moment
[05:43] <salgado> BenC, this is being planned and the implementation is going to start soon, so I guess we don't need to worry about it now?
[05:43] <habeeb> Ehm, ubuntuforums is a Canonical "product"?
[05:45] <bdmurray> is librarian.launchpad.net down?
[05:45] <carlos> bdmurray: it works here
[05:46] <elmo> it's back up
[05:46] <bdmurray> magic, thanks. ;)
[05:49] <dneary> Hi
[05:50] <dneary> Isn't there anyone advertising the Ubuntu Open Week sessio for Launchpad/Rosetta?
[05:50] <dneary> I thought I might find out what the IRC channel was here
[05:50] <kiko> it's #ubuntu-classroom
[05:50] <habeeb> and ubuntu-classroom-chat
[05:50] <dneary> kiko: Danke
[05:51] <dneary> kiko: Might be an idea to /topic the time & place here
[07:10] <SteveA> mthaddon: ping
[07:10] <SteveA> mthaddon: where's my CSS files? :-/
[07:11] <mthaddon> SteveA: pong
[07:11] <mthaddon> SteveA: which ones?
[07:11] <SteveA> https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/subversion/+bug/91848
[07:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 91848 in subversion "segfault when importing libsvn.wc in python 2.4 on feisty/amd64" [Medium,Confirmed]   - Assigned to Matthias Klose (doko)
[07:11] <SteveA> when I go there, I get no CSS
[07:12] <mthaddon> seems to be working for me...
[07:12] <mthaddon> try seeing if you can get to https://beta.launchpad.net/+icing/rev5/+style-slimmer.css
[07:13] <SteveA> mthaddon: it's back now
[07:14] <mthaddon> weird...
[07:14] <SteveA> mthaddon: yep, works now
[07:14] <mthaddon> ok, cool
[07:16] <mthaddon> I'm tailing the logs and can see css stuff being served - must've been the gremlins again...
[07:25] <ubotu> New bug: #110313 in soyuz "Poppy lockfile should be created with g+w" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110313
[09:40] <ubotu> New bug: #110351 in soyuz "temporary files should not be in the archive tree" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110351
[09:59] <habeeb> Ehm, we can't edit bug comments? :/
[10:03] <kiko> as in practically every bug tracker.
[10:36] <harrisony> habeeb: its a known bug
[10:47] <pochu> harrisony: I wouldn't say it's a bug
[10:48] <harrisony> well its in malone under launchpad, there is also a spec. iirc which wants 5 min to edit comments
[10:57] <pochu> oh, that's ok, then
[10:57] <pochu> harrisony: I thought even 1 year later ;)
[10:57] <pochu> that shouldn't be implemented ^
[10:57] <pochu> but the other sounds good
[11:36] <schnuffiline> wie kann man in launchpad seine registrierung lschen?
[11:37] <siretart> schnuffiline: die meisten entwickler sprechen englisch, - most developers are talking english
[11:37] <siretart> she's asking how to delete her account in launchpad
[11:37] <schnuffiline> how can one delete into launchpad its registration? 
[11:38] <schnuffiline> siretart, dank dir ich werde es versuchen
[11:39] <siretart> schnuffiline: afaik, you cannot get your account removed completely, however, there was some kind of 'vacation' mode planed so you aren't spammed any longer
[11:41] <schnuffiline> siretart, like friendly - apology which I times one ask placed - idiot
[11:42] <siretart> ?