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[12:44] shawarma: Yeah - I had the same question about "Resource primer". Resource as in... documentation? tools? human resources? http resources (uRls)? Such a vague term.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resources === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has left #ubuntu-classroom ["Exit,] [12:45] RADD: the presenter didn't show up for this session.... [12:46] NEALMCB: thank you for letting me know. === weiers [n=weiers@dsl-240-112-64.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [12:48] Have a good day you all! === RADD [n=rdelfin@adsl-065-012-184-153.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has left #ubuntu-classroom [] === erstazi [n=erstazi@unaffiliated/erstazi] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === dicon [n=lol@spinoza.ime.usp.br] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === aanderse [n=aaron@CPE0015e916db19-CM001225d7436c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === aanderse [n=aaron@CPE0015e916db19-CM001225d7436c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === anti_pop [n=anti_pop@p54b0a653.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #ubuntu-classroom ["Kopete] === Twisted [n=Twisted@66-169-204-37.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === blueyed [n=daniel@pdpc/supporter/active/blueyed] has left #ubuntu-classroom ["Konversation] === mahmoud__ [n=mahmoud@196.218.171.235] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === brainsik [n=brainsik@dsl092-001-132.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === z3b [n=sebastia@p549fa1b2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === Evil_Shenanigans [n=null@220-253-85-252.QLD.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === JLP [n=jlp@89-212-91-146.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === jgraem1 [n=Graeme@dyn-62-56-116-121.dslaccess.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-classroom [] === ^^malajenho^^ [n=juanchi@245.Red-83-57-64.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [01:54] <^^malajenho^^> hi [01:55] hi === hanzomon4 [n=hanzomon@adsl-153-80-116.lft.bellsouth.net] has left #ubuntu-classroom [] [01:56] <^^malajenho^^> one moment [01:56] <^^malajenho^^> I'm coming === chaddy passes the tissues === erstazi [n=erstazi@unaffiliated/erstazi] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [02:07] <^^malajenho^^> hi again [02:07] <^^malajenho^^> i'm trying to compile a source withot configure, only with makefile [02:07] <^^malajenho^^> and when I do a "make" === welshbyte [n=welshbyt@ubuntu/member/welshbyte] has left #ubuntu-classroom [] [02:10] <^^malajenho^^> this is the answer: gcc -fno-for-scope -c -D__LINUX_WLAN__ -D__I386__ -o wepattack.o wepattack.c [02:10] <^^malajenho^^> cc1: aviso: la opcin de lnea de comando "-fno-for-scope" es vlida para C++/ObjC++ pero no para C [02:10] <^^malajenho^^> wepattack.c: En la funcin loop_packets: [02:10] <^^malajenho^^> wepattack.c:141: aviso: declaracin implcita incompatible de la funcin interna strlen [02:10] <^^malajenho^^> wepattack.c:146: aviso: declaracin implcita incompatible de la funcin interna strlen [02:10] <^^malajenho^^> wepattack.c:151: aviso: declaracin implcita incompatible de la funcin interna strlen === mode/#ubuntu-classroom [+o jrib] by ChanServ === mode/#ubuntu-classroom [-o jrib] by jrib [02:11] <^^malajenho^^> gcc -fno-for-scope -c -D__LINUX_WLAN__ -D__I386__ -o rc4.o rc4.c [02:11] <^^malajenho^^> cc1: aviso: la opcin de lnea de comando "-fno-for-scope" es vlida para C++/ObjC++ pero no para C [02:11] <^^malajenho^^> gcc -fno-for-scope -c -D__LINUX_WLAN__ -D__I386__ -o wepfilter.o wepfilter.c [02:11] <^^malajenho^^> cc1: aviso: la opcin de lnea de comando "-fno-for-scope" es vlida para C++/ObjC++ pero no para C [02:11] !paste | ^^malajenho^^ [02:11] <^^malajenho^^> gcc -fno-for-scope -c -D__LINUX_WLAN__ -D__I386__ -o log.o log.c [02:11] ^^malajenho^^: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) [02:11] <^^malajenho^^> mmm [02:11] <^^malajenho^^> sorry [02:11] <^^malajenho^^> :S === nalioth [i=nalioth@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.nalioth] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [02:12] <^^malajenho^^> here you are [02:12] <^^malajenho^^> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17704/ [02:12] <^^malajenho^^> it is in spanish, I hope you don't have problem [02:13] it seems you are getting permission errors [02:14] <^^malajenho^^> ohh [02:14] <^^malajenho^^> with "sudo" I have the same problem [02:14] don't run make with sudo [02:15] <^^malajenho^^> and how do u think I could to resolve the problem [02:15] <^^malajenho^^> ? [02:15] can you start over and paste the errors you get with "LANGUAGE=en_US make" [02:16] by start over, i mean delete the directory and untar it again [02:16] <^^malajenho^^> ok === merriam [n=merriam@85-211-173-18.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [02:19] this thing is broken [02:19] their Makefile has a typo === hernan [n=hernan@212-182-231-201.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === hernan [n=hernan@212-182-231-201.fibertel.com.ar] has left #ubuntu-classroom [] === jrib wonders why he just built wepattack === ^^malajenho^^ [n=juanchi@245.Red-83-57-64.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [02:24] <^^malajenho^^> hi again [02:24] <^^malajenho^^> here is the paste [02:25] <^^malajenho^^> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17708/ === ^^malajenho^^ [n=juanchi@245.Red-83-57-64.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [02:28] ^^malajenho^^: yes [02:29] if you hilight me I'll notice you said something :) [02:29] <^^malajenho^^> what do u think? [02:29] ^^malajenho^^: issue this command: chmod +x wlan [02:30] <^^malajenho^^> right [02:30] ^^malajenho^^: now try 'make' again (it will fail) [02:30] <^^malajenho^^> ok [02:30] ut pastebin the errors [02:31] <^^malajenho^^> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17709/ [02:31] ^^malajenho^^: ok, now you need to edit the Makefile [02:31] <^^malajenho^^> aha [02:31] ^^malajenho^^: do you see the mistake? [02:32] <^^malajenho^^> mmm [02:32] <^^malajenho^^> wait [02:32] <^^malajenho^^> I'll see [02:32] k === berg [n=desktop@201-75-105-115-ma.cpe.vivax.com.br] has left #ubuntu-classroom ["Konversation] === jrib goes looking for food [02:33] <^^malajenho^^> I don't know exactly [02:33] <^^malajenho^^> cflags ? [02:34] look at the error [02:34] gcc: log.omodes.o: No such file or directory [02:34] does that look funny? [02:34] <^^malajenho^^> aha [02:34] <^^malajenho^^> I have to install the library of log.omodes.o ? [02:35] nah [02:35] in your Makefile, you have a line like this: [02:35] gcc -o wepattack wepattack.o rc4.o wepfilter.o log.o\ [02:35] it should be: [02:35] gcc -o wepattack wepattack.o rc4.o wepfilter.o log.o \ [02:35] notice the space at the end [02:35] <^^malajenho^^> ahhh [02:37] <^^malajenho^^> ok [02:37] <^^malajenho^^> now I have a new message [02:37] <^^malajenho^^> I'll paste [02:38] <^^malajenho^^> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17711/ [02:38] i see no errors, you should have a file called "wepattack" now [02:39] <^^malajenho^^> sure [02:39] <^^malajenho^^> hehe [02:39] <^^malajenho^^> I'm a litle slept [02:39] <^^malajenho^^> ;) === j_ack [n=rudi@p508DBCE7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [02:40] <^^malajenho^^> jrib: a lot of thanks [02:40] <^^malajenho^^> :D [02:40] np [02:42] <^^malajenho^^> sorry for my english [02:42] <^^malajenho^^> i'm spanish [02:42] <^^malajenho^^> heheh [02:42] cool, I'm portuguese. 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I Understand that Sabdfl and Canonical helped register the domain and get resources in place. === Webspot [i=d9b3743b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/session] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === xarc72 [n=xarc72@e176108218.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [05:12] For a while we were a group of helpers with no leaders. Several folks stepped up to get the group moving and now we have several projects that we are working on. [05:13] our scheduled host was one of the ones who helped get the project moving again :) [05:13] Anyway, the biggest question we get is "Why is there an Ubuntu-Women Project?" [05:14] Some believe "Integration by Separation" is A Bad Thing but unfortunately it is necessary. It is not something I ever intended to get involved with, but I am now :) === BjornT [n=bjorn@canonical/launchpad/BjornT] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [05:14] Many of our members came from other areas first and then we realized this is an area that still needs work to simply help level the playing field in Ubuntu and within many other F/LOSS projects. [05:15] Unfortunately, even within Ubuntu, several female members have reported problems on mailing lists, within their loco teams and especially on IRC. . . [05:16] Belinda actually posted something like this to a forum: ". . . when we start seeing the "I just got my tech skills insulted because of my gender" or "because I'm a man they just assumed I knew nothing technical about Linux/SysAdmin/prgramming/etc." post by men then we won't need women's groups." [05:16] There are many technically capable women in the group and within F/LOSS, so it can be very frustrating when someone challenges your tech skills simply because "you?re a girl" === habeeb [n=habeeb@athedsl-86954.home.otenet.gr] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [05:17] And when we started sharing our experiences in IT, F/LOSS and even Ubuntu we realized that it is still happening. === Tejo_B [n=bertitho@201-35-220-126.jvece701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [05:17] Even if you personally have experienced it or seen it happen, it can be very frustrating to see others go through bad experiences. So the UW Project is also here to help in that area. [05:18] Many of us joined the UW project because we found a welcoming group of folks who were open to questions and people with similar experiences as ours. [05:18] At this point, i run out of notes, so I will start taking questions [05:18] If there are any... [05:20] QUESTION: dont you feel that by putting women in a special group, you actually follow a gender discrimination ? === emet [n=emet@unaffiliated/emet] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [05:21] zorglu_, I used to feel that way, but then I came to realise that it wasnt 'putting women in a special group', but rather providing an outlet for discussion, mentoring, etc [05:21] The group is more about sharing experiences, good and bad, and feeling comfortable and not along in the F/LOSS world [05:22] When 95+% of people around you are male, it can be *very* lonely [05:22] QUESTION: You mentioned problems with IRC, do you feel this is a problem with IRC itself (also mailing lists), in that essentially they are anonymous and make it difficult to police bad behaviour? === datten_ [n=datten@xdsl-81-173-183-234.netcologne.de] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [05:22] It's not IRC exclusive by any means. Anywhere people communicate openly is a problem area [05:23] When guys are used to being around guys, and remember, there's <5% women in alot of IT areas, they get used to 'being guys' and often are quite mean, insulting and insensitive without intending it [05:23] QUESTION: should there be more ways to enforce the Code of Conduct on IRC? Like quicker banning people insulting women? === datten_ is now known as datten === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D848E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [05:24] The ways are already there, but the problem is identifying the problem to start with. Often women don't speak up, and leave instead, so they dont ahve to put up with 'Oh, you're making a huge deal out of nothing' or 'Can't you take a joke?' [05:24] QUESTION: since the creation of this group do you feel like things are getting better? [05:25] I cant really tell. U-W has effectively been around for the duration of my involvement in Ubuntu, so I don't know for sure what it was like beforehand === laszlok [n=laszlo@CABLE-72-53-73-3.cia.com] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [05:25] However, I hope that it has made some women more comfortable, having people they can relate to in an easy to find place. [05:26] QUESTION: is there a ubuntu-men ? [05:26] QUESTION: will the UW team have some focus on children also? I mean spreading the true UBUNTU idea among the once perceived-to-be disadvantaged group? [05:26] No. But feel free to make one. [05:26] bababian, in #ubuntu-classroom-chat please === nmrm [n=nuno@89.181.118.225] has left #ubuntu-classroom [] [05:26] bababian, I've been tossing up with the idea of #ubuntu-youth, where younger Ubunteros can go to find people their own age to geek out with. [05:26] QUESTION: can men help by particiating in the group somehow? [05:27] Definately. Providing they're polite, helpful and dont exhibit the types of behaviours that Ubuntu-Women is there to couteract [05:27] QUESTION: Any plans to have ubuntu-women website in languages other than english? [05:27] It would be great. Translation efforts are always welcome in every part of the Ubuntu community ;) [05:28] Belutz> QUESTION: will the UW team make an ubuntu theme for women? === Loic [n=Loic@ram94-2-89-85-122-46.dsl.club-internet.fr] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [05:29] Alot of people seem to think all women want is pink and flowers. This is not the point of Ubuntu-Women, or LinuxChix or any $distro-Women groups. It is about social attitude. [05:29] However, there are already feminine themes on gnome-look.org and kde-look.org ;) [05:29] QUESTION: You mentioned problems with people doubting technical skills based on gender, do you think positive promotion would be worthwhile or cause more problems? === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [05:30] I think it would definately be a good thing. One of the reasons I got involved with Ubuntu-Women, is as a role-model. I am a woman who is active and relatively successful in the community, and if it can inspire women, and give women a face, them I'm happy to do that [05:30] QUESTION: It's important for women and men to speak up against offending behavior against women. However, mostly it is unintended, so the one speaking up should make sure to not also offend, because that just gets up defenses. How can we make sure this doesn't happen? [05:31] I think it is extremely important. 'nipping it in the bud' for a lack of better definition is the best way to stop any problem before it blooms into a disaster [05:31] Negative reinforcement, when guys overstep the line, is one of the most effective ways we have to hammer the concept home [05:31] QUESTION: is UW team is a regional team or worldwide team? will there be a regional team for UW? or do you prefer it to be just a worldwide team? [05:32] It is a world-wide team, At the moment, regional activities etc are probably better done through regional LinuxChix chapters [05:32] <_dennis_> QUESTION: what's the estimated percentages of female ubuntu users === vicox [n=vicox@p54985CA9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [05:33] andreas lloyd gathered some statistics, as did i (still unreleased unfortunately), but the number of people who identify as women in the community are around 2.4% [05:33] QUESTION: would you like to add a close in a code of conduct, specific to women ? [05:34] I do not believe this is necessary. The code of conduct already covers respect etc, and that is what this boils down to. [05:34] QUESTION: Do you have many female team members from countries like China, South Africa, and other developing countries? [05:34] I dont know personally where everyone is from, but afaik Vid Ayer is indian [05:34] QUESTION: has any men compained about the existence of UW team? [05:34] Plenty. They're usually the type that 'dont get it' and hence the reason why there does need to be a team [05:35] QUESTION: I'm a woman but never thought or felt that being one or other sex made any difference for me in IT, as the results I feel very confused about UW. However, I feel strongly about equality. Is there some way I can help or at least not harm without getting into UW as such? [05:36] Lynoure, I am, well was with you in this mind at one point. We are the lucky ones [05:36] As I said before, the main reason I did get involved is because I can be a positive rolemodel. I'm not a shrinking violet and it's good to show women who've been unfairly treated that they can be brave. [05:37] I think the best way you can help indirectly, as can anyone here watching this, is to speak up when someone steps out of line. Negative reinforcement is a powerful tool. [05:37] QUESTION: how do you feel about women that use computers only to do a particular jobs done, sometimes they think computer is windows and windos is computer, there are a lot of women who think like that in my country [05:38] Belutz, I know more men like this than I do women. === davmor2 [n=davmor2@82-45-48-19.cable.ubr04.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [05:38] The problem is Windows having the majority mindshare, not women being unaware/uneducated. [05:38] Nightrose> Qn: Where do you think is the point groups like UW and linuxchix are no longer needed? [05:39] When women are appropriately represented in the IT industry [05:39] When women don't feel chastised by their workmates and bosses [05:39] When women are on a fair pay scale [05:40] All those things are goals that we need to achieve before the mindset of inequality is filtered out [05:40] Tm_T> elkbuntu: COMMENT: I think it's cultural thing to "teatch" that tecnology is for boys only in some cases (sure it's ridicolous) [05:41] Believe it or not, I used to get that when I was younger. It's a deeper cultural issue than I think we'll see surpassed in our lifetimes, but it is the basis of the problem. [05:41] QUESTION: I also find that women who study computer science in my country still think the same, do you blame the curriculum or the women who don't want to explore the world of computer science? [05:42] I blame the curriculum, the media, etc. It is nothing to do with women. Maybe they just stand out more to you becuase they're already different? [05:42] richb> QUESTION: There seems a popular perception that men assume that women will find Linux "hard to use" or worse still attach preconditions like "If Gnome had a pink theme, more women would use it!", obviously this is nonsense, is there an easy way to fix this perception? [05:42] Convert grandma to Ubuntu ;) === samgee [n=samgee@125.186-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === davmor2 [n=davmor2@82-45-48-19.cable.ubr04.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-classroom [] === Syk1 [n=malmrose@c-71-202-249-103.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [05:43] As i've been saying, this is the underlying issue. Women are not seen as equal, and hence are discriminated, discouraged and chastised. [05:43] QUESTION: Are there efforts by UW to showcase the technical competence of UW members? Wouldn't that help to address one of the problems here--that of a perceived gender/technology gap? === bleinmono [n=toffel@ppp85-141-149-199.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [05:43] We would love to, and I believe someone in the group did surveys. It'd be interesting to see the results of that. [05:44] QUESTION: will there be difference of mentality between geeks among women and non-geeks among women in terms of their attitude towards FOSS? === Niwatori [n=niwatori@125.163.73.210] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [05:44] bababian, Do you mean geeks are more problematic than other people? [05:45] I think this is equally a stereotype. Many perceive geeks as the fat loner who's never had a girlfriend, or the horny teenage geek. [05:45] stereotypes are dangerous no matter when or to whom they're applied === Toma- [n=e17@203-59-13-104.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [05:46] bababian>elkbuntu : i mean their understanding of the FOSS culture === Rhune [n=daniel@c-7f11e455.02-229-6c756e10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [05:47] I'm still not sure what you're asking. Are you trying to ask if geeky women have more problems than other women? [05:48] The problem is across the board in terms of gender problems, discrimination etc. [05:48] QUESTION: so how do you suggest to educate women about FLOSS? [05:48] bababian>elkbuntu: i think women who tinker with tech would know more about the FOSS issues than their nontech counterparts do, in terms of having a receptive mind towards Linux/Ubuntu [05:48] The same way you educate a man. === samgee [n=samgee@125.186-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has left #ubuntu-classroom ["Ik] [05:49] bababian, likewise with men. Geeky men know Foss more than non-geeky men. [05:50] any more questions? [05:50] we still have 10 minutes :) [05:50] may i? [05:50] sure === dneary [n=dneary@mne69-9-88-163-116-163.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [05:51] elkbuntu: do you expect the women geek or non geek be treated the same as men geek or non geek? I treat everyone same but this is one question ive seen beaten around but never asked to point) [05:52] QUESTION: elkbuntu- whats the most attractive part about ubuntu that drew you and like minded women towards it? === varka_ [n=varkatop@p54a5e7a6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [05:52] Toma-, the same things that drew the men to it. === My8os [n=My8os@ppp196-242.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === Myrtti [i=myrtti@velhottaret.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [05:53] I was after the FOSS women :D but hey, if thats what floats your boat :) [05:53] gnomefreak, I expect everyone to be treated equally. I expect the asian geeks and non-geeks to be treated the same as the american geeks and non-geeks, and so forth. [05:54] Basically leading to my QUESTION: Whats the best way to sway a not-so-computer savvy girl to Ubuntu? === Myrtti [i=myrtti@velhottaret.net] has left #ubuntu-classroom ["/window] [05:55] Toma-, the same things you'd be swayed by. expecting a women to need a different type of computing environment, color, etc is part of the prooblem [05:56] Toma-, we're all geeks. I like linux because of what it is, not by some girly feature [05:56] the same as you dont need racecars on the desktop to like the system [05:56] or so forth [05:57] QUESTION: so women should be treated as anybody else without special consideration for their gender ? [05:57] *YES* that is *exactly* what we mean === samgee [n=samgee@125.186-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [05:57] so why a special group for them ? [05:58] i was thking that too :( [05:58] when you take a characteristic of a someone and make fun of it, it's not nice, it is not respectful. making jokes for about women is like making jokes about someone's race, religion, big nose etc. you treat people as you expect to be treated. you do not tease their characteristics [05:58] the reason we need ubuntu women is because *that is not happening* [05:59] when it does happen, we'll be fine === Lutin [n=Lutin@ubuntu/member/lutin] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [05:59] you mean this is happening more to women than to other minorities ? [06:00] zorglu_, it is happening to every minority. however, the problem with female sterotyping is it exists as a sub-problem of most of the other minorities as well === jadhog [n=jad@kelemvor.cns.montana.edu] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [06:00] ok [06:00] @schedule now === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has left #ubuntu-classroom ["Quitte"] === j1mc [n=jcampbel@157.199.22.99] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [06:01] until my daughter (and I) can feel at ease in the Linux community then we'll appreciate groups like this. For now, an Ubuntu girl / woman is still a novel concept. [06:01] ok, that's all we have time for... lets see who is up next === mode/#ubuntu-classroom [+o sharms] by ChanServ [06:01] @now [06:01] Current time in Etc/UTC: April 26 2007, 16:01:37 - Next meeting: MOTU in 3 hours 58 minutes [06:01] There we go === ..[topic/#ubuntu-classroom:PriceChild] : The Ubuntu Open Week continues at 15:00UTC - be there! || SCHEDULE: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek - SCHEDULE CHANGES, PLEASE SEE THE TIMETABLE || RULES: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Rules Please respect them || LOGS: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs || Ask questions and chat in #ubuntu-classroom-chat, "QUESTION: /cs o || CURRENT SESSION: MOTU - Steven Harms and Adrien Cunin === mode/#ubuntu-classroom [+o Adri2000] by sharms [06:02] hi! [06:02] Welcome. We are going to do a presentation on the MOTU [06:02] Adri2000: do you want to cover asking questions? [06:03] yep, I will take the questions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat [06:03] prefix them with "QUESTION:" please === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has left #ubuntu-classroom ["Ex-Chat"] [06:03] Ok, well lets get this ball rolling, as we need as many of you to start working with us asap :) [06:04] I'm Steven Harms (www.sharms.org/blog), and work with the MOTU on various tasks. === neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db443cf.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [06:04] and I'm Adrien Cunin, a simple MOTU :) [06:04] I am a member of the MOTU Media Team, which never has a shortage of things [06:04] to work on. [06:04] I am also a member of the bugs team, and an official ubuntu member. [06:04] If you are not familiar with the way teams work etc, we basically all collaberate at www.launchpad.net === gissi [n=silvio@32.104.18.240] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === Sanne [n=Sanne@p548DA014.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #ubuntu-classroom ["Bye"] === Nightrose [n=lydia@port-87-234-150-228.dynamic.qsc.de] has left #ubuntu-classroom ["Konversation] [06:05] That is where all the bugs go, where eventually source will go, and planning etc really happens === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-22-104.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [06:05] Also if you like anything you hear here, I highly recommend sticking around for the next session "Patching Packages" with Pitti. [06:05] At 19:00 UTC there is a "bug triaging" presentation also, which is a huge part of what I do. [06:05] With our huge userbase, there is never a shortage of bugs. === bleinmono [n=toffel@ppp91-76-73-217.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === ditsch [n=dennis@80.69.123.119] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === naveen [n=chatzill@59.92.160.78] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [06:06] If you are not familiar with the way teams work etc, we basically all collaberate at www.launchpad.netMOTU stands for 'Masters Of The Universe' which originates from the Universe component, which holds the biggest amount of our packages. === naveen [n=chatzill@59.92.160.78] has left #ubuntu-classroom [] [06:07] Master of the Universe is also a he-man reference for those old enough to remember [06:07] .3 [06:08] *sorry* [06:08] Now we have all downloaded packages if we are running Ubuntu, and these packages are stored in repositories [06:08] This is where we come in [06:08] There are various repositories ubuntu offers: 'main' and 'restricted' are supported by Canonical, 'universe' and 'multiverse' by the community. [06:09] 'main' and 'restricted' hold 5167 packages today and 'universe' plus 'multiverse' 16237. [06:10] One of the common misconceptions that people have about contributing to any form of Linux is that it seems that everyone is already working on everything. [06:10] This is not true, and there is a TON of opportunity to give a hand [06:10] As you can imagine, 16,000 packages is a lot to handle [06:11] Also the MOTU team is not secretive, and we are not the tron guy hiding behind 20 monitors === orintor [n=patrick@dslb-088-064-138-007.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [06:11] MOTU is extremely easy to talk to, and you can get involved at #ubuntu-motu [06:12] So what does a MOTU do? [06:12] As a MOTU you're maintaining packages. === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C1A48C.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === Shiovhra [n=grow@c-71-202-249-103.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [06:13] In MOTU there isn't some big "this is my package you can't work on it" issue [06:13] MOTU's work where they are needed, whenever they want [06:13] We have people [06:13] * taking care only of 'their own packages' [06:14] * working together with others on a set of packages in a team [06:14] * fixing lots of different packages [06:14] (* working on no packages at all) === erstazi [n=erstazi@unaffiliated/erstazi] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [06:14] If you belong to the last category, this might be your first step in the Ubuntu Development Community [06:15] The really important thing to remember is we want, and *need* your help [06:15] So if you are into Linux, you can help improvie it right here right now, give back, and help make great software === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [06:15] So how do I become a MOTU? [06:16] That's very easy. [06:16] ou basically contribute to the team's efforts, either by packaging a new piece of software or by helping with fixing / updating / merging existing packages. === wburge [n=wburge@cobra.cs.nmsu.edu] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === Syk1 [n=malmrose@c-71-202-249-103.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-classroom [] [06:17] One of the easiest ways to get involved is to start reviewing the bug reports, and eventually you will come across very easy to solve bugs that nobody has gotten around to. [06:17] This is great experience, and if you get stuck you can check out our docs at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU and if that fails, just ask someone in #ubuntu-motu [06:18] As a MOTU hopeful you're not allowed yet to upload to the archive yourself, but you can ask other team members to sponsor the upload for you. [06:18] When working with MOTUs, if you don't have upload access, you can also provide them with debdiffs, but that is probably a better topic for the patching packages talk === mahmoud__ [n=mahmoud@196.202.117.129] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [06:18] which I really recommend people attend, that is the first step [06:19] To get a package sponsored, we have a very easy to use process in place: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess [06:20] After a while, when you've become more comfortable with packaging, the processes and you've worked with a couple of people, you will hear that people are tired of uploading your packages and you should be able to do so yourself [06:21] It's easy to see that it's not just a matter of technically abilty, but it's also a matter of teamwork and trust [06:21] Once your mentors and people of the MOTU team are happy with you, they will tell you to apply to become a MOTU yourself. [06:22] For that you write an application mail to the MOTU Council and if they're happy with you, they'll approve you. === aanderse [n=aaron@CPE0015e916db19-CM001225d7436c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === ishesh [n=root@122.167.19.16] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [06:22] I highly recommend anyone who is on the edge, who is thinking about giving back to Ubuntu, checks out the process to get going: [06:22] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Hopeful/Recruitment [06:22] That is where everyone starts pretty much, no matter what your aspiration [06:22] Things the team does: [06:23] We work on Bugs, just to put some numbers into the discussion: [06:23] * 18484 bugs in Universe/Multiverse (96084 in Ubuntu total) [06:23] * 10380 closed bugs Universe/Multiverse (56612 closed in Ubuntu total) [06:23] While the numbers look scary, here's a very good thing about working with the MOTUs: you're not alone. [06:23] If you try to fix a bug in a package you have: [06:23] 1) Fellow MOTU members [06:24] 2) The Debian package maintainer [06:24] 3) The upstream (which is the actual author(s)) [06:24] All of which you can pull on to get help on any issue [06:25] Working on bugs is very rewarding: sometimes it's just a one line fix, or it will already be fixed upstream and just needs to be pasted into the current code, and you make a ton of people (including yourself!) happy [06:25] Motu Teams [06:25] MOTU has formed a huge bunch of subteams already: [06:26] * Games Team [06:26] * Media Team [06:26] * Science Team [06:26] * Photo Team [06:26] * UncommonProgrammingLanguages team [06:26] and a lot of other teams, which started in Universe, but now are working across the whole distro, the Mono team is a good example for that. [06:27] If you see a team that doesn't fit your needs, all you need to do is grab a few MOTUs and get one created on launchpad [06:27] It's all about working together, making a great distro even better, and having fun while doing it [06:27] Transitions! That's usually an easy way to get involved. === Bixente [n=vincent@mau49-1-82-245-44-201.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [06:27] In order to use a new technology consistently across the whole archive, we sometimes need to change several hundreds of packages. [06:28] This is gratifying work also, as it's sometimes easy to do and nice to do this within a team. Good examples of this were: [06:28] * the switch from python2.3 to python2.4 (as a default) [06:28] * the use of gcc4 [06:28] * the transition to use Xorg === Xander21c [n=mgarrido@200.62.165.36] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [06:28] We used to have H U G E working lists on the wiki, nowadays we often use Launchpad to keep track of these [06:29] Hello [06:29] One of the questions we get the most is "How do I get X package in?" [06:29] Lots of software is packaged already, but your personal pet project might be missing still. [06:30] Xander21c: chit chat + Questions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat [06:30] This is a gratifying task, as you make many users happy by providing igh-quality software in the archive. === ishesh [n=root@122.167.19.16] has left #ubuntu-classroom [] [06:30] or even high-quality [06:30] All NEW packages go through a review process, which currently happens on http://revu.tauware.de - this might change in the near future [06:31] If you want to know how to get a package in, we have a wiki page for that: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Processes/REVU [06:31] eviewing is a great way to mentor, but also to learn, which leads us to our next point. [06:31] Reviewing [06:32] One of the things with MOTU is that people seem to be overwhelmed at first [06:32] There is a lot of documentation out there, but really it isn't rocket science (although I believe laserjock is a rocket scientist) [06:32] One thing we do to help people along is provide a mentor (think Karate Kid style) [06:33] We're doing huge efforts at helping people get up to scratch on packaging, especially #ubuntu-motu on irc.freenode.net is always buzzing and somebody is always awake to answer *your* packaging question. === ego [n=ego@nrbg-4db40b3e.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [06:33] But mentoring also happens on our ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com mailing list, in private chats, by doing reviews of packages and patches or via mail. [06:34] I personally went through the mentoring process during the beginning, and it was very helpful to get some questions answered that were not totally obvious to me [06:34] Don't hesitate to approach us, join the Master of the Universe today [06:34] The team is also working out details to refine the process and make it easier for MOTU hopefuls and future mentors. [06:35] If you read planet.ubuntu.com, you have probably seen my blog (www.sharms.org/blog) entry on mentoring, and that is getting good responses [06:35] and we are always looking to improve. [06:35] e'll have a session at UDS [06:35] about that: [06:35] https://blueprints.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/better-mentoring === clownfish_ [n=clownfis@58.65.200.243] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [06:36] so if you're in Sevilla at that time, join in, if not add your ideas to the wiki page. We'll also work on getting a Mentoring mailing list ready. [06:36] Merges [06:36] In the beginning of each release cycle we merge our efforts with those of the Debian maintainers. [06:37] For everyone not on the launchpad beta, please use the following link: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/better-mentoring [06:37] So this is what we currently do for Gutsy. [06:38] One thing people need to understand is that we are deeply connected with debian [06:38] Almost every package we have comes from them first [06:38] So at the beginning of the release cycle we take their packages, and "import" them into our repositories, which is called merging [06:39] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Merging and [06:39] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/Merging-and-Syncing [06:39] are great references on the subject [06:39] Basically debian makes our lives easy, and we like to utilize their work as much as possible, and in turn contribute back [06:40] MOTU School === Maikel [n=ma1kel@cp818518-b.roose1.nb.home.nl] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === dnmartins [n=dnmartin@200-207-53-227.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [06:40] In the spirit of the Ubuntu's Open Week we already had some interesting MOTU School sessions: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School === Maikel [n=ma1kel@cp818518-b.roose1.nb.home.nl] has left #ubuntu-classroom [] [06:40] and I am aware we have a bunch of questions, so let me just say === turox [n=chatzill@dslb-084-056-236-178.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [06:40] Documentation - we are always working on this and trying to make to easy to understand [06:40] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Documentation === _dennis_ [n=dennis@d54C2B03F.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [06:41] Ok Adri2000 want to start Q&A? [06:41] let's go [06:41] (for later) QUESTION: ffmpeg needs to be recompiled from source to get mp3 support, what about having a mp3 enable version in multiverse with other mp3 codes ? === BjornT [n=bjorn@canonical/launchpad/BjornT] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [06:42] I would say the first step in that direction would be a file a bug with as much information as you can possibly gather, and then join #ubuntu-motu and get someone from the media team to take a look [06:43] and it's a license problem, so it's finally up to the archive admin [06:43] Just be patience waiting for a response in #ubuntu-motu, we are not as fast as mcdonalds, but are probably faster than watching water boil [06:43] next [06:44]

QUESTION: If theres a bug in a package, youve posted the problem and the solution on launchpad, and still the maintainer hasnt fixed it, what can you do? [06:44] we haven't a maintainer for each package in ubuntu [06:44] That is an awesome question, I bet a lot of people have the same one === DerXero [n=patrick@dslb-082-083-145-033.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [06:44] The best thing to do there is: Get involved! === frederiko [n=frederik@207.47.0.82.static.nextweb.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [06:45] (Its in the kernel :)) [06:45] ah, that's different === frederiko is now known as FrederikoCosta [06:45] Kernel is generally not motu, we do the 15,000+ extra packages [06:45] next [06:45] QUESTION: Debian has a process to orphan packages that have seen no attention recently. With no ownership of packages, or any commitments to quality, what process does MOTU have to retire unmaintained pacakges? [06:46] we can request a removal from the archive [06:46] I would say first and foremost, we do have an extreme commitment to quality === Jack3 [n=michael@pool-71-115-201-120.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [06:47] We have release cycles, and we work through those, along with "hug" days to get as much done on items that might not get as much attention [06:47] If debian drops the package also, we generally do unless there are other circumstances === clownfish_ [n=clownfis@58.65.200.243] has left #ubuntu-classroom ["Take] [06:47] so there are several tiers of eyes that take care of that [06:48] next === CheshireViking [n=Interdic@unaffiliated/cheshireviking] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [06:48] QUESTION: are motu members starting to feel overwhelmed with the number of bug reports that are being submitted? Do they feel that it's getting to be too much, or is it still manageable? [06:48] It is still manageable, but we would love to get more people to help === el_ericho [n=erich@189.129.42.233] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [06:48] That is why we are here today, because it is important to get as many people involved [06:48] When talented people get less work, that is when more innovation can happen [06:49] and really push us into critical-mass [06:49] next [06:49] QUESTION: What will be interesting upcoming "transistion" and when are they planned to occur? === McKinney [n=Dennis@Qc1b9.q.pppool.de] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [06:50] We are still waiting to flesh out details of gutsy after the UDS, so its hard to say. Adri2000 have anything to ad? [06:50] g77 transition [06:50] it's in the email "Opening development for Gutsy Gibbon" [06:51] so that's at least one transition for gutsy :) [06:51] Just to verify with everyone, g77 doesn't sound like much fun, but if you stick around #ubuntu-motu you will see items like that come up [06:51] next? [06:51] yup [06:51] QUESTION: Any news on revu2? [06:52] I don't think it is actively being developed now [06:52]