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mdkeNafallo: no, but it's expensive12:59
Nafalloyea. I guess a move from Sweden would be quite expensive to start with :-P.01:02
Nafalloanyway. will translate my CV :-)01:03
mdkeNafallo: it's ok if you are being paid well, or sharing accomodation01:03
Nafalloah. nice. that would probably be quite fun :-)01:04
ajmitchmorning01:08
Nafallomorning ajmitch :-)01:08
mc44Nafallo: also, our alcohol is cheaper than in Sweden :)01:09
Nafallomc44: hehe. I don't care much about alcohol though :-)01:09
Nafallorather spend my money on computerparts ;-)01:09
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sitiCan a developer look at this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gksu/+bug/66518  I have some bug fixes for gksu.  It fixes most startup notification problems and would be nice to be merged.01:37
ubotuMalone bug 66518 in gksu "[Edgy + Feisty]  Startup Notification broken" [Medium,Confirmed]  01:37
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pygisiti, I can look, I'm not a dev tho01:41
pygiI can review the patch ^_^01:41
pygisiti, simple patch ^_^01:43
sitiyeah it's very simple but fixes the most annoying bugs I have with ubuntu 01:44
=== pygi could perhaps roll new package today or day after
pygiif you want me to ofcourse ^_^01:44
sitiroll a new package?01:44
pygiwell, apply patches to existing one, and upload it to archives =)01:45
sitiyeah that would be cool, how does it get merged from there, sorry I am quite new ...01:45
pygiwell, if it gets into archives, then you can get it :P01:46
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pygiyou could call that merged-in :)01:46
sitiok01:46
pygiok, assigned to me01:46
pygiwill take care of it in near future I hope =)01:46
sitithanks01:46
pygiyw, thank you01:47
sitiI'll nag you if you don't ;)01:47
pygisiti, sure, you're most welcome to :)01:47
Nafallopygi: kewl. didn't know you where a core-dev :-)01:48
pygiNafallo, I'm not :P01:48
pygiNafallo, I'm not even a MOTU =)01:48
Nafallopygi: ah. sponsoring...01:49
jdonghow does distro registering work on LP? who is allowed to start a distro, what services do you get, etc?01:49
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pygijdong, I guess #launchpad may be better answer to that?01:49
pygiNafallo, nod ^_^01:49
pygiNafallo, nobody would grant core dev access to a person like me :P01:49
sitihehe01:49
Nafallo:-P01:50
=== pygi however hopes to get a few packages up to main in this cycle^_^
Nafallowhy am I NOT in bed?01:50
pygibecause it's only 1:50?01:51
Nafallowhich is in the middle of the night... I should sleep :-)01:51
pygihm, sleep is overrated :P01:52
Nafallodepends...01:52
pygion the position of the moon?01:53
pygisiti, hopefully that can go in edgy-updates, and feisty-updates01:54
pygiI'd say the later one is more probably :)01:54
sitiyeah that would be nice01:55
=== pygi needs to build fresh chroots on server
sitihave you noticed how screwed up the startup notification is when using gksu too?01:55
pygi^_^01:56
pygiwhatever you need, just feel free to poke :)01:56
sitiok01:56
sitithanks01:56
pygiIf you need help in writing patches, just say ^_^01:56
=== pygi also need those, especially bringing evil GB up-to-shape finally :P
sitiI am fine with patches, it's more learning how ubuntu/debian works and how to make packages01:57
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pygioki, #ubuntu-motu is always there to help, and ofcourse you're always welcome to mail  me if you need something ^_^01:57
pygiit's not hard as it seems, trust me =)01:57
siti:)01:58
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superm1hey guys some time ago I poked around in here to try to setup a mailing list and got two answers: email to rt@a.c.c and mailman@l.u.c.  I've sent email to both this last month, but haven't heard back from either.  What is the correct way to setup a mailing list?03:04
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lifelesssuperm1: did you get a confirmation from rt ?03:05
superm1I got a # back from them, but it was automated03:05
superm1no people have responded03:05
superm1it just said to include it in the subject of all future communications03:06
superm1lifeless, it has been almost a month (march 30th) since i sent.  Is there somewhere else i should poke?03:08
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lifelesssuperm1: you can ask about progress in #canonical-sysadmin, or follow up to the mail.03:09
superm1lifeless, already followed up to the mail (twice now) with no response.  i'll poke in that channel.  thanks 03:09
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Hobbseemorning all03:10
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fabbionemorning guys04:58
Hobbseehey fabbione!04:58
fabbionehey hey04:59
Hobbsee:)04:59
desrtsup d00ds?05:12
fabbionedesrt: i will tell you once i am alive05:13
desrtyou are not yet born?05:13
=== Hobbsee applies the cattle prod.
desrthey.  back off.  i like this guy.05:13
Hobbseeonly gently!05:13
=== desrt is tired tonight
=== Hobbsee could use the cattle prod to wake you up too?
desrtplease no.05:14
Hobbseeheh05:14
=== desrt is more or less ready to go to bed but is waiting for someone to come online first
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n3t0how i can set packages priority on ubuntu apt-get?05:17
desrtn3t0; you have come to the wrong place, i'm afraid05:17
n3t0ups. its devel05:17
n3t0sorry05:17
desrtit's cool05:17
desrthave a nice night05:18
fabbionedesrt: i have been reborn many times.. today i just need to poweron the brain05:18
n3t0thanls05:18
n3t0thanks05:18
desrtah05:18
desrtcoffee works better for that than cattle prods.05:18
desrtHobbsee ought to have known better05:18
Hobbseedesrt: but far less fun...05:18
Hobbseedesrt: i keep saying that i want a lassoo and a cattle prod at work, but they keep saying no...05:18
desrtHobbsee; some things are best done on personal time05:19
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Hobbseedesrt: heh.  just to use on pesky customers, nothing else...05:19
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desrtif you have access to their home address information then you could easily turn it into a personal-time hobby05:20
Hobbseehrm, i'll be right05:21
Hobbseebesides - once i leave work, it's notmy problem anymore05:21
Hobbseeso if foolish customers leave all their shopping behind, i dont care.  go talk to the people on the desk :P05:21
desrttrue... but you have to take out your agression somewhere05:21
Hobbseeheh05:22
=== desrt always hated being the sorry sap
=== Hobbsee looks around placcidly
Hobbseeme?  agressive?05:22
Hobbseeheh05:22
Hobbsee"the amount of shopping you leave behind is directly proportional to your amount of embarrassment, when you come back, asking us for it"05:23
desrtit's odd that you have "shopping" as a noun to refer to the items05:23
Hobbseedesrt: i take my agression from that out, on the relatively few people, who do that, and come and say "WHAT DO YOU MEAN MY MILK/MEAT/OTHER COLD STUFF ISNT IN HERE?!?!?!?!"05:23
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jdongI wish I had that's what she said in here....05:24
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Hobbseehaha05:24
jdongHobbsee: but lol I've forgotten stuff once or twice too05:24
Hobbseedesrt: i believe it's a noun?05:24
Hobbseejdong: yeah, but there's no reason to be an absolute fool, or bitchy about it :P05:24
jdongHobbsee: in my experience the staffers were generally very lenient about it05:24
=== Hobbsee has some of the greatest phone conversatoins with people who've forgotten stuff
jdongand it was an overwhelmingly positive experience05:24
Hobbseejdong: same here.  on the other end.  however, there are a small group of people who just blow your mind05:25
desrtwe always kept a book05:25
jdongmostly because, contrary to what everyone here believes, I don't bitch out or act aggressive when I'm seeking help :)05:25
Hobbseedesrt: so do we.  it's the only way to do it05:25
jdongoh, those people will always exist05:25
jdongjust a second ago there was one in #ubuntuforums....05:25
desrterm05:25
jdongOUTRAGED that he can't use "all 64 bits" of his processor05:25
desrtis there an "ubuntu irc" forum?05:25
jdongand have win32codecs at the same time05:25
desrtjdong; dude.  that was me.05:25
jdongdesrt: don't even get me started on the name of that channel05:25
desrtjdong; ease up.05:25
=== Hobbsee likes the people who come in and say "hi, my mother left a couple of bags here this morning. do you have them?" "quite possibly, what's in them?" "oh, i'm not sure....cant you check?"....
jdongdesrt: lol05:26
jdongI really wanted to shove my double long pointer up his circular buffer.05:26
=== desrt is somewhat annoyed at the 32/64 issue
jdongha! I'm using my CS lingo!05:27
desrtdude...05:27
Hobbsee</ work rant>05:27
jdongHobbsee: I guess you have answered first hand a question I've pondered several years05:28
Hobbseejdong: oh?05:29
jdongHobbsee: "I wonder what this guy is like in person...."05:29
Hobbseejdong: oh?  how so?05:29
jdongHobbsee: you actually get to meet your interesting-folk in person05:29
Hobbseejdong: true05:29
desrt...internet grocers...05:30
Hobbseeheh05:30
desrt/join #food05:30
desrt<n00b> d00ds.. i forg0t muh shoppin'05:30
desrt<n00b> it was... in a bag!05:31
desrt** Hobbsee sets mode [+b n00b!*@*] 05:31
desrt** Hobbsee kicks n00b05:31
Hobbseehaha05:31
ajmitchI'm sure Hobbsee would never do that, and that she'll be all shy & quiet at UDS ;)05:31
Hobbseequite sure.  just like elky05:32
jdongwhee! I'm "ms daisy" now05:32
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desrtare you being driven?05:32
jdongthat's what.... must resist...05:33
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desrtHobbsee, ajmitch; pls help.05:33
jdong!twss-#ubuntuforums05:33
ubotuThat's what she said!05:33
Hobbseedesrt: not sure i can...05:34
ajmitchdesrt: only sedatives can help him now05:34
jdongI'm convinced that if one thinks pervertedly enough, that response works for any statement.05:34
jdongajmitch: those didn't work either :)05:34
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leninzcan someone help me install wxJavaScript on ubuntu 6.06?05:59
leninzplease05:59
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ion_:h07:19
ion_Whoops.07:19
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dholbachgood morning07:21
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ion_Hi dholbach07:34
dholbachhey ion_07:35
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fabbioneMithrandir: are the gates to gutsy open in full?08:18
=== fabbione can't see in LP if it's still frozen or not
Mithrandirfabbione: no, still closed.08:19
Mithrandirit's nowhere near noon yet08:20
fabbioneok08:20
fabbionenoon?08:20
fabbionei must have missed an email or two08:20
Mithrandiru-d-a?08:21
fabbionehmmm gcj is borked...08:21
fabbioneoh very last line08:21
fabbionei did stop half way being all about gcj :P08:21
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HobbseeMithrandir: catch up!  it's 4pm!  :P08:24
MithrandirHobbsee: does that mean I can go home for today?08:24
HobbseeMithrandir: you mean you get to stop work at all?08:25
Hobbseeif you like :P08:25
pittiGood morning08:27
Hobbseeheya pitti!08:27
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Mithrandirhiya Martin08:27
=== pitti waves to Australia and Norway
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ajmitchpitti: what about NZ? :)08:31
=== pitti hugs ajmitch, too :)
Mithrandirajmitch: hard to see you over the edge of the sea.08:31
Hobbseeajmitch: isnt that part of australia anyway?08:31
ajmitchHobbsee: we had more sense than that08:31
Hobbseeoh wait, that's where we send our criminals.  deportation mark 208:31
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=== bimberi deports Hobbsee for that remark
bimberi:)08:44
=== Hobbsee beats bimberi with a big stick
mdkedeport her to England08:45
bimberiah, the famous...08:45
mdkeNafallo: are you involved with ubuntu sweden? If not, can you tell me who is?08:45
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bimberimdke: England!  Gosh it wasn't that bad :P08:47
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Hobbseemdke: you cant. that's mine08:48
=== Hobbsee spears mdke with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and roasts him over the fire.
Mithrandirpoor mdke 08:48
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=== bimberi grins again at the > I can't see how it's at fault. Your most likely issue is a sad
bimberi> battery, followed by an issue on the laptop's motherboard.08:52
bimberiargn, that failed miserably08:52
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=== Fujitsu pleads for somebody almighty to let two instances of k3d into {feisty,edgy}-proposed.
Hobbseehaha08:55
MithrandirFujitsu: looking at it08:57
FujitsuThanks Mithrandir.08:57
MithrandirFujitsu: I see it's not on MOTU/SRU yet, but we now have the ability to copy binaries between pockets, so if you could reupload with the version number you want in -updates, that'd be good.08:58
FujitsuMithrandir: I saw somebody say yesterday that it wasn't actually able to be used in the moment.08:58
FujitsuBut I'll adjust and reupload.08:58
Mithrandirhm, I'll see if I find that discussion08:59
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MithrandirFujitsu: I can't see anything in the discussion about it not working yet.09:00
FujitsuI remember something over the past couple of days, but I can't see it either.09:01
Mithrandirhm, sorry, I missed Martin's "this was just a temporary test"09:02
FujitsuThat's the one.09:02
Mithrandirmea culpa; I'll go poke it through then09:02
FujitsuOK, so we can't actually do it yet?09:03
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MithrandirI'm not sure, and it's no harm doing it the old way.09:04
FujitsuGood, I don't really want to manually minimise debdiffs again tonight.09:05
FujitsuI love build systems that generate huge diffs due to autoconf changes :)09:06
Mithrandirboth accepted now09:08
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FujitsuThanks.09:08
pittiMithrandir: cprov removed the tool again, mentioning some bug that needed to be fixed before; its description was totally uncomprehensible to me, though (speaking in terms of internal LP concepts and classes)09:08
saispohi09:08
Mithrandirpitti: oh, the one about it copying random hppa binaries about?09:09
pittiMithrandir: no, that wasn't an issue09:09
Mithrandirok09:09
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popeymorning all. I have a question about a package that isn't in the repo, but I (and the author) would like it to be. Problem is that the package in question (xvidcap) is currently compiled statically against fmpeg-svn8195 rather than the version in the repo..09:18
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popey..the author cites "extra testing" "more thorough testing required" and "extra external dependancy " as reasons for statically linking, but I am not convinced these are show-stoppers09:18
Mithrandirpopey: you can cite "more pain for security updates" as a reason not to statically link09:19
popeyI would like to help him where I can to get it into the universe repo, but if we are going to be successfull does it make sense for me to push for not static linking?09:19
popeytrue09:19
popeyI suspect that as a by-product of having it in the repo it will get quite a bit more testing, as it is I think people dont use xvidcap for screencasting (but use something like istanbul) simply because it's got a barrier to use - it's not in the repo09:21
Hobbseesabdfl: about your answer on the commercial repos yesterday - my question was more "how often does canonical plan to update these repositories, and for how many releases will they do it?  ie, just LTS ones?"09:21
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popeyshould I grab a mentor from the MOTU wiki pages and get some guidance directly?09:22
florianHello!09:22
Hobbseepopey: or ask in #ubuntu-motu with anything you need help with09:22
Hobbseehi florian 09:22
popeyah, of course, thanks Hobbsee 09:22
florianIs there a development kernel 2.6.21 for ubuntu?09:22
florianI tried to build one myselve, but it seems there are a lot of patches for the ubuntu kernel.09:23
Hobbseeflorian: not yet09:23
florianThe 2.6.20 doesn't work with my acpi09:23
Hobbseepresumably we'll move straight to .22? or .23?09:23
fabbioneflorian: it's on kernel.org... there is a development tree but it's not for general use09:23
MithrandirHobbsee: AIUI, the plan is .2209:24
fabbioneflorian: it's lacking all the ubuntu stuff.. basically it's .21 vanilla in .deb package09:24
florianfabbione: also a ubuntu version? I couldn't get it to work on feisty ...09:24
fabbioneflorian: well then you will have to wait...09:24
HobbseeMithrandir: great, okay09:24
fabbioneflorian: it's brand new merge09:24
florianfabbione: OK, I was looking for a ubuntu package ...09:24
Hobbseeflorian: and it'll go on gutsy, nto feisty09:24
fabbioneflorian: no, there is no such thing yet09:25
florianWhere ist the right place to get a development kernel for ubuntu?09:25
Hobbseeflorian: in the gutsy repos.09:26
Hobbseewhen it exists09:26
florianHobbsee: OK, thanks ...09:26
hungerHobbsee: gutsy repos exist.09:26
Hobbseehunger: yes, but the new kernel doesnt09:26
Hobbseewhich was what i was referring to :P09:26
hungerHobbsee: They seem to contain (parts of) the toolchain only so far though.09:26
Hobbseei know09:26
hungerHobbsee: Sorry to bother you then!09:27
Hobbseehunger: no problem :)09:27
florianYes that is allright. I just wanted to know where if available I could look for devolopment stuff.09:27
florianSo I will watch the gusy development ...09:28
saispowhere NetworkManager configuration file is stored ?09:29
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Fujitsusaispo: It doesn't have a config file, AFAIK. All configuration is stored per-user in gconf.09:30
dokocjwatson: could you merge debhelper before the archive generally opens?09:30
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saispoFujitsu: ok, the speed rate for wireless config is in gconf too ?09:31
Mithrandirsaispo: NM doesn't force the speed rate, iirc.09:32
FujitsuI doubt NetworkManager does that sort of stuff.09:32
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saispo:/09:32
saispoi have a 54mbits card and my french isp have a 54mbits router09:33
saispobut ubuntu speed is 11 mbits :/09:33
saispoand i read in /etc/network/if* a variable with the speed rate09:33
tarzeaui'm looking for the di i386 etch 2.6 netinstaller kernel config file...09:35
Fujitsutarzeau: You're not going to find much/anything about Etch in here...09:36
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saispoFujitsu: i search where this variable $IF_WIRELESS_RATE is set09:37
tarzeauFujitsu: sorry wrong chan09:38
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dokopitti: please promote axis, wsdl4j, libcommons-discovery-java to main (already approved during the feisty cycle, now needed by java-gcj-compat)09:49
dokoMithrandir: please accept python2.509:51
Mithrandirdoko: accepted.09:52
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dholbachcjwatson: do you if libatk1.0-udeb is used somewhere? (debian dropped it and I'm not sure if I can merge it like that)10:02
dholbachcjwatson: forget what I just said, they just create it differently10:03
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siretartMithrandir: why is bug #106352 not applicable for gutsy?10:09
ubotuMalone bug 106352 in lcd4linux "please sync lcd4linux_0.10.1~rc1-1 from debian/unstable" [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10635210:09
Mithrandirsiretart: because it'll be done by the "auto"-sync.10:10
thombhale: dude!10:10
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willverinecjwatson: hi :)10:17
pittidoko: at it10:17
pygisiretart, around?10:17
siretartpygi: .10:18
pittidoko: erledigt10:18
pygisiretart, I've talked build system to produce .4 libs ^_^10:18
pygiwhich would mean .... guess what :)10:19
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siretartpygi: you finally release the next version?10:20
pygisiretart, sure, very soon :)10:20
cjwatsondoko: yeah, ok10:20
pygisiretart, with ABI not broken even10:21
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cjwatsonpitti: actually, what happened was that a newer rollout supported copy-package, but that rollout also broke the publisher so cprov flipped the /srv/launchpad.net/codelines/current symlink back10:21
pygibiggest thing to note in new version will be - we stopped using /dev/sg, on advisal of kernel people10:21
cjwatsonpitti: however, that shouldn't stop you being able to run copy-package.py from the newer codeline even though it's not .../current10:21
pitticjwatson: ah, so that was unrelated actually, I wasn't 100% sure about it10:21
cjwatsoncertainly people doing -proposed uploads now should use the version number they want in -updates10:22
cjwatsonwillverine: hi10:22
pittiright, I already had editmoin open when cprov called me back :)10:22
willverinecjwatson: here is where i am at the moment, i can do it from the terminal (ie load the template i want) and i can do it from perl10:23
cjwatsonwillverine: so what's the perl incantation you're using?10:23
willverinecjwatson: cause the perl bindings exist, but i have no idea whether python bindings exist or where i could find them10:23
cjwatson'import debconf'10:23
willverinecjwatson: yup, but how do you load a template?10:24
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cjwatsonwillverine: that question doesn't really make sense to me; could you back up a bit and explain what you're trying to do?10:24
willverinecjwatson: the only command that looks right is register10:24
willverinecjwatson: from the command line ill type in debconf-loadtemplate [PACKAGENAME]  [TEMPLATEFILE] 10:25
cjwatsonno, what are you trying to achieve?10:25
willverinecjwatson: debconf-loadtemplate is a perl script10:25
willverinecjwatson: im trying to load a template10:25
cjwatsonI'm familiar with debconf10:25
cjwatsonwillverine: that's a means to an end. What's the end?10:25
cjwatsonit should be pretty rare to need to use debconf-loadtemplate manually10:26
willverinecjwatson: to be able to have debconf 'variables' available to set before the appropriate packages are installed10:26
cjwatsonwillverine: is this some kind of installation preseeding thing?10:26
willverinecjwatson: yes10:26
cjwatsonwillverine: why not use debconf-set-selections?10:27
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cjwatsonyou *can* use the register command to do this (and debconf-set-selections does something a bit like that internally; the cdebconf implementation of debconf-set-selections actually does do exactly that) but I'd recommend using debconf-set-selections rather than doing it by steam10:28
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willverinecjwatson: yes thats exactly what i want to do (the template route is a roundabout way to accomplish the same)10:30
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willverinecjwatson: do you know what the python for debconf would look like to accomplish the same (ie which command to use)10:31
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cjwatsonsomething like:10:33
cjwatsondb = debconf.Debconf()10:33
cjwatsontry:10:33
cjwatson    db.set(template, value)10:33
cjwatsonexcept debconf.DebconfError:10:33
cjwatson    db.register(template, template)10:33
cjwatson    db.set(template, value)10:33
cjwatsondb.fset(template, 'seen', 'true')10:33
cjwatsoncan't remember if the 'REGISTER template template' trick works in debconf - I think it does10:33
cjwatsonbetter to have a real dummy template to register it against of course10:34
cjwatsonthen it would be db.register('name/of/dummy/template', new_question_name)10:34
willverinecjwatson: tx! :) will give it a try10:34
cjwatsonthe perl implementation of debconf-set-selections does it differently because it's using debconf internals to get the job done10:34
cjwatsonthe same functions aren't accessible to python bindings - they're client-only10:35
cjwatsonhence my strong recommendation to use the external program10:35
cjwatson+  * dh_installudev: Install udev rules directly into /etc/udev/rules.d/, not10:36
cjwatson+    using the symlinks. MD has agreed that this is more appropriate for most10:36
cjwatson+    packages.10:36
cjwatsonwow, is the universe ending?10:36
StevenKDear God, Macro d'Itri is changing his opinion?!10:37
StevenKEr, Marco10:37
StevenKcjwatson: Say it ain't so!10:39
fabbioneStevenK: MD is not totally unreasonable..10:39
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StevenKfabbione: To be completly honest, I've found him unreasonable enough to avoid using anything he maintains.10:40
fabbioneStevenK: i guess it's a matter of personal experience..10:40
StevenKI guess so.10:41
cjwatsonFWIW I'm not making a comment on him personally, rather that I thought this was a particular issue he felt very strongly about (and I happened to disagree)10:44
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Mithrandirit'll also help reduce the delta we have to Debian, which is good.10:46
cjwatsonyeah, most of the dh_installudev diff (though not all - different default priority and separator character) goes away10:49
Mithrandirwe have a fair number of packages which moves the file, too.10:49
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jonodoes feisty use compiz or beryl?10:57
StevenKThe former.10:57
Mithrandircompiz is in main, beryl in universe10:57
jonothanks10:58
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Nafallomdke: pong. I am :-).11:20
cjwatsonMithrandir,doko: just testing debhelper now - will upload it when I'm satisfied11:29
dokocjwatson: thanks11:30
dokoMithrandir: once pitti's package promotions are in the archive, we could open gutsy from my point of view; pitti is preparing texlive to be synced/merged, and I'm not aware of any other major breakage11:32
pittiright, but texlive-bin will keep my busy for a while still; the poppler patch needs some updating11:32
pittiworking on it ATM11:32
pittidoko: well, I can also temporarily drop it completely, thus building against xpdf, and fix it up afterwards11:33
dokopitti: sounds like an option11:33
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pittibut I would really like to have this in the archive before we open the floodgates, since it affects build-deps of many packages11:33
cjwatsonMithrandir: who's in charge of semi-auto sync-source runs this cycle? you?11:34
dokoMithrandir: ^^^11:34
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dholbachdoko: you introduced python-orca-brlapi - do you know how I can import it and try if it works?11:38
dokodholbach: just splitted out to a new binary package11:39
dokoimport orca.brl11:39
Mithrandircjwatson: I'll be happy to do them.11:39
Mithrandirpitti: any idea about an ETA for it?11:40
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pittiMithrandir: oh, I think I did it; it's at the debhelper stage11:40
pittiyay, it built11:41
dholbachdoko: thanks a lot - works nicely (i tried orca.brlapi and orca.brlmodule which didn't work)11:41
pittiMithrandir: so, let me give this at least a short local test before I sync and upload everything11:41
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pittiMithrandir: max one hour, I'd say until I have everything tested, uploaded and synced11:42
cjwatsonMithrandir: debhelper uploaded, will be in unapproved in a coupule of minutes11:42
Mithrandirpitti: sure, take your time.11:43
dokoMithrandir: please accept python-profiler, python-stdlib-extensions, python-defaults11:43
Mithrandirdoko: accepted.11:44
dokopitti: hrm, forgot about to ask for the promotion of libmx4j-java11:46
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pittidoko: done11:46
cjwatsonMithrandir: debhelper in unapproved, please accept11:50
Mithrandircjwatson: accepted.11:51
Mithrandircjwatson: I'm happy with people accepting their own toolchain-y packages until we just open fully.11:51
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pittiMithrandir: alright, basic test works well11:53
Mithrandirpitti: feel free to upload, then.11:54
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cjwatsonMithrandir: nod11:55
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pittiMithrandir: right, I'll do the uploads and syncs now and will care for the binary NEW stuff11:55
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Mithrandirpitti: just remember that syncs don't go to unapproved, so don't sync anything which needs the new bits.11:56
pittiMithrandir: I need to sync tex-common and texlive-{base,doc,extra,lang}, and upload texlive-bin11:56
pittiMithrandir: and promote all those to main11:56
Mithrandirpitti: sure.11:56
pittiI'll remove tetex later11:56
seb128carlos: around?11:57
pittithey do have some mutual build deps, but they should resolve themselves, I think11:57
carlosseb128: yes11:57
seb128carlos: https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+source/epiphany-extensions/+pots/epiphany-extensions-2.17 has an incorrect translations domain, do you know why?11:57
seb128carlos: the package template is correctly named -2.1811:57
Mithrandirhm, beta should really redirect people who don't have beta membership to the regular one.11:58
seb128carlos: https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+sources/epiphany-extensions/+translate rather11:58
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seb128Mithrandir: yes, there is a bug open about that11:58
carlosseb128: I guess I forget to fix that once the translation domain changed11:58
carlosI will fix it now11:58
pittielmo: tetex-bin is in main but its source (texlive-base) is not.11:58
pittierk11:58
pittiMithrandir: ^ maybe I need a publisher run before the syncs to have my change-override things become active11:59
seb128carlos: thank you11:59
carlosseb128: done11:59
Mithrandirpitti: you do.11:59
seb128carlos: https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/rosetta/+bug/11003011:59
ubotuLaunchpad bug 110030 in rosetta "epiphany extensions textdomain is wrong" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  11:59
seb128carlos: you can close it ;)12:00
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pittiMithrandir: ^ that did the trick12:00
Mithrandiroh, that too12:00
carlosseb128: it will require a language pack update to get it deployed12:01
seb128carlos: right12:01
pittiMithrandir: texlive-bin should be in unapproved; it needs the new tex-common as a build-dep, so it will just go into dep-wait; the other packages that I sync have harmless build-deps (just debhelper and quilt)12:07
Mithrandirpitti: feel free to accept them, then.12:08
pittiwill do12:08
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pittiaccepted12:09
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pittiMithrandir, doko: texlive-bin uploaded, the other texlive stuff synced, all in accepted now; after the next publisher run in 45 minutes the buildds can have fun12:18
Mithrandircoolie.12:18
Mithrandirpitti: once it's built, you're happy with opening for general development?12:19
pittiMithrandir: I am, yay :)12:19
Mithrandircoolie12:19
pittiMithrandir, doko: do we need to urgently care for gcc-4.2 in NEW?12:22
dokopitti: hmm, isn't that already in the archive?12:23
pittidoko: source apparently is, but there is lots of binary NEW12:23
dokopitti: well, get it in now, doesn't hurt12:24
Mithrandirpitti: well, since you're volunteering.. :-)12:24
pittialrighty12:24
pittigcc-4.2 accepted12:37
ograis there a way to make debootstrap run localized ? 12:43
ograsomehow i always get non german output with it ... 12:44
ograor does it do that only in debian-installer mode ? 12:44
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cjwatsonogra: the localisation's handled by base-installer12:58
fabbioneKeybuk: ping?12:58
cjwatsonogra: debootstrap has no other i18n itself12:59
ogracjwatson, ah, what i suspected ...12:59
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Keybukfabbione: was in a conf call, what's up?01:08
fabbioneKeybuk: i mailed distro-team.. nothing urgent.. there is a clash in the meeting schedule01:08
fabbioneKeybuk: since you usually arrange that, i thought you might want to know :)01:08
fabbioneKeybuk: fridge calendar has not been updated with our new meeting time and MOTU booked #u-meeting at the same time as us01:09
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Keybukyeah, we can either claim eminent domain and kick them out to another channel01:12
Keybukor move it to another channel ourselves01:12
Keybukthat's no problem01:12
ajmitchwhat time is distro team meeting? 2000 UTC?01:12
fabbioneKeybuk: yeah i suggest the latter and get the fridge fixed01:13
Keybukour meeting times have been a standard schedule, it's the fridge fault for not having them01:13
Mithrandirthe fridge has been broken like that since DST hit, though.01:13
Keybukajmitch: alternates between 1500UTC and 2000UTC during "northern" summer, 1600UTC and 2100UTC winter01:13
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Keybukyes, and people have been asked to tell them repeatedly01:14
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fabbionecya later for the meeting01:15
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ion_An Ubuntu pun at ELER.01:29
cjwatsonKeybuk: in fact I'm sure we told one of the fridge editors directly at one point and he said he would fix it01:30
cjwatsonsince DST hit01:30
KeybukI've told them myself, I think henrik has too01:31
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pygisiretart, released, will package everything in the coming days02:00
siretartpygi: the packaging is already done, AFAIK. it just needs updating to your latest release, and uploading to gutsy. I'll handle that02:01
pygisiretart, ah, ok, if you say so02:01
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siretartpygi: no. just normal ubuntu maintainer's tasks.02:02
siretartpygi: but say, do you intend to stay with soname 3 or 4?02:02
pygisiretart, 402:02
siretartk02:02
pygi0.3.4 was soname 2, 0.3.0 soname 3, and 0.3.4 was 402:02
pygi0.3.6 now is also 402:02
pygisiretart, did we also put that cdrskin when installed, is used instead of cdrecord/wodim?02:06
pygi(when the packages were done)02:06
pygior shall I do it? (I don't mind, it's my task anyway :P)02:07
seb128pygi: hi02:09
pygihi seb128 :) How is it going?02:09
seb128good, thank you02:09
pygiglad to hear :)02:09
seb128do you know what unit storage.cdrom.write_speeds uses?02:09
pygiwhere did you found that?02:10
seb128hal02:10
pygiwell, it should use the first found AFAIK02:10
seb128nautilus-cd-burner uses that list / 150 to list writing speeds02:11
pygiplus hal is currently broken in the respect of detecting possible write_speeds02:11
seb128which gives weird speeds02:11
pygithere's a patch at bugzilla that was worked on by brasero team02:11
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seb128pygi: do you have a bug number?02:11
pygiwe introduced small scsi library in brasero to get-around hal and n-c-b (which will probably get dropped at due time)02:11
pygiseb128, not really, but lemme see if Luis is here02:12
seb128why don't you want to use it?02:12
seb128or you speak about the lib?02:12
pygiwhat's the point of using n-c-b? All it was used so far were some tiny things which we can drop02:12
pygiplus it's all hacky :-/02:12
seb128bug #6703402:13
ubotuLaunchpad bug 67034 in hal "available speeds are wrong" [Low,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6703402:13
seb128that's the bug, looks like hal has weird values02:13
seb128  storage.cdrom.write_speeds = {'8467', '7056', '5645', '4234', '2822', '2117'} (string list)02:13
pygiI'm going to package brasero n the coming days, so you'll see how it works02:13
pygiyea, I know02:14
seb128it that an hal bug? or due to linux? or correct values?02:14
pygiseb128, hal bug02:14
pygiit can be fixed02:15
seb128cool02:15
pygiseb128, see this for example: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/brasero/+bug/8046002:15
ubotuLaunchpad bug 80460 in brasero "Brasero speed burning doesn't work" [Undecided,Needs info]  02:15
pygialso cause by hal02:15
seb128I reassigned to nautilus-cd-burner to hal, was not sure if that was the right component though02:15
pygiit is02:15
seb128cool, thank you02:15
pygias I said, there's a patch, I hope they'll apply it soon02:15
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pyginow, why won't we use n-c-b in there ... 02:16
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pygisince brasero supports both cdrecord and libburn, and n-c-b is only cdrecord (+ is hacky + has a lot of problems) the new little scsi lib to handle the speed detection and some other things was introduced02:16
pygiwhen packaging however, I'll need to pull additional patch from svn for that lib since the released was a bit unstable :-/02:17
siretartpygi: sorry, I was out of my room. I didn't get your  last question regarding cdrskin02:17
pygisiretart, well, have we already done the trick in the package which makes cdrecord and wodim just symlinks to cdrskin?02:18
siretartpygi: I'd rather not touch the cdrecord yet at this point02:19
pygisiretart, oh?02:19
siretartpygi: is there an urgent need to do so?02:19
siretartI'd rather fix applications to use 'cdrskin' instead of 'cdrecord'02:20
pygisiretart, no urgent need. So you'd patch all applications?02:20
pygiif so, then sure, no problem02:20
pygiI can do so without any problem02:20
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siretartpygi: I don't want to rush decisions02:21
pygisiretart, ah, ok, so we'll need to talk more about that02:21
ion_How about /etc/alternatives?02:22
pygiI think we discussed that once, and dismissed it 02:22
pygi(me doesn't remember why tho)02:22
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pygiseb128, question. How often do you communicate with n-c-b upstream?02:22
seb128I send a distro bug on bugzilla every now and then and that's about it02:23
_blondy_the best Spanish vidente visits his blog are very interesting rituals of love and many things but visitalo http://eltarotdesalem.blogspot.com/02:24
siretartdebian alternatives sounds like a good options, I'd like to hear opinions from that from the debian cdrkit maintainers02:24
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pygiseb128, ah, ok. They do not respond to my bug report, neither I got a response through mail on the questions sent :-/02:25
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pygisiretart, ah, ok. If you ever come to conclusion, please do inform me as I have to do something :)02:25
siretartsure02:26
pygilike updating packagin, testing, calling for testing, patching stuff, and things like that :)02:26
pygiseb128, are you willing to do a little test with n-c-b for me?02:27
seb128pygi: which one?02:27
pygiseb128, to try to install newest libburn/cdrskin, and make wodim/cdrecord (whatever you use) link to it02:28
pygithen n-c-b should use cdrskin, and if things are good, it should probably show correct speeds02:28
seb128where is the new cdrskin?02:28
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pygiseb128, sec02:29
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pygiseb128, http://libburnia-download.pykix.org/releases/libburn-0.3.6.tar.gz02:29
seb128pygi: k, I'll give it a try later02:32
pygiseb128, sure, thank you02:32
dokopitti: texlive-base needs tex-common (>= 1.7)02:36
Mithrandirtex-common |        1.7 |         gutsy | source, all02:37
Mithrandiryes?02:37
pittidoko: ah, it just built02:38
dokoMithrandir: MANUALDEPWAIT needs a retry, correct?02:38
dokotexlive-base02:38
Mithrandirtexlive-base is BUILDING02:39
pittimost of the stuff shuold build really quickly, just -bin needs some 15 minutes or so02:40
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dokohmm, wasn't two minutes ago02:40
MithrandirHobbsee!02:40
pygihi Hobbsee :)02:40
pittidoko: let's crank together to make it faster :)02:40
HobbseeMithrandir!02:42
Hobbseeheya pygi 02:42
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dokoMithrandir: please accept python2.5, fixing the b-d on sparc and powerpc02:43
Hobbseeoh no, not more of that ubuntu metadistribution crack02:43
pittigreat, -extra, -doc, -base, and -lang have built02:48
thomHobbsee: what, it's only 30C now?02:49
Hobbseethom: here?  no.02:49
Hobbseeit was about 20C here today02:49
Hobbseeis colder now, iirc02:49
StevenKIt's 15C now02:49
Hobbseeah, there you go02:50
Nafallo25.6C02:50
StevenKAnd I'm cold too, for the record.02:50
Nafallo26.1C inside02:50
StevenKNafallo: Swap you, please? :-)02:50
NafalloStevenK: baah. come visit me instead. I have a comfortable couch :-)02:51
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StevenKSeems a little short notice. :-)02:51
Nafallo;-)02:51
Nafallowell. I don't think the weather will be bad in the coming week or so ;-)02:52
Nafalloshould be enough time ;-)02:52
StevenK.au -> .se is quite far, too02:52
Nafalloyea. like 24h flight or something :-P02:52
Nafallomight be more.02:53
ion_C (coulomb) = A s, btw. ;-)02:53
StevenKIt was 25h or so when I went to .fi02:53
NafalloI wonder what route they would take... probably via Heathrow :-)02:54
StevenK.fi I went Singapore, Bangkok, and then Helsinki02:54
Nafallothey peer with Arlanda. and then ~1h train from Arlanda.02:54
Mithrandiror just sydney, malaysia, amsterdam, stockholm02:56
Nafallothat almost sounds like my IPv6 routes to .id ;-)02:56
StevenKThis is all academic anyway. I'm not flying to .se, even due to Nafallo's offer. :-)02:56
ion_nafallo: ~1h train? Quite a bit of latency. :-)02:57
HobbseeStevenK: fly to seville instead.02:57
NafalloStevenK: :-)02:57
MithrandirHobbsee: put him in your luggage02:57
StevenKIf I could afford it, I would.02:57
Nafalloion_: yea. but I have no place for a DC10 on my roof ;-)02:57
StevenKMithrandir: A little cramped...02:57
HobbseeMithrandir: if he'd fit...02:57
StevenKBesides, you only get 20kg allowance, and I'm a little more than that.02:57
MithrandirHobbsee: he's tall, but not that heavy.02:57
Hobbseehrm...02:58
Nafallooh. my routing to .id was a bit different btw :-)02:58
MithrandirStevenK: she'll just cut off unimportant bits.02:58
StevenKMithrandir: OUCH!02:58
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StevenKHobbsee: Think very carefully. :-P02:58
Hobbseehrm...02:58
Nafallohttp://home.nafallo.info/tracepath/2007-04-26.txt02:59
Nafallo:-)02:59
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StevenKMithrandir: I'm sure Canonical could organise a crate for me to fly in at least. :-P03:01
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StevenKHobbsee: Give it a change to actually have some changes besides the toolchain? :-)03:06
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pittiMithrandir: hmm, texlive-bin FTBFSed on ia64 (only) with cannot find the library `/usr/lib/libcairo.la'03:07
pittiMithrandir: how much do we care about ia64 being in sync at that time?03:08
infinityAre we on an eliminate .la files warpath?03:08
infinityIf so, it's really hard to go back and fix one arch if the chain gets too deep.03:09
pittiI'm not sure, it built fine on the other arches03:09
ograwow, where does that xorgconf.py in restricted-manager come from ? thats cool03:10
infinity(The official answer, though, is "we don't care about ia64 unless the fix is obvious and doesn't eat too much of your time")03:10
pittiogra: from kdeguidance03:10
ograah03:10
pittiogra: I should have mentioned it in copyright03:10
ograi wonder if i could speed up ltsp with it ... 03:11
pittiogra: slightly adapted to match our Xorg.conf spacing style03:11
ograinstead of presseding half the word just modifying the default generated file ...03:11
pittiogra: perhaps; I gave up on relying on xserver-xorg debconf, it broke too much stuff03:11
ogra*world03:11
Riddellpitti: interesting, didn't know that.  presumably separate from mvo, and glatzor's use of it?03:11
seb128infinity: GNOME packages are in good way to kick them03:12
ogragenerating xorg.conf is one of the biggest slowdown factors i have aside from udev/kernel module loading in ltsp03:12
pittiRiddell: oh, I might have mixed that up with displayconfig-gtk, which in turn stole it from kdeguidance03:12
ograheh03:12
ograyay opensource03:12
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seb128infinity: they use /usr/share/gnome-pkg-tools/1/rules/clean-la.mk which empty the dependency_libs, next round is to stop distributing them ;)03:12
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jsgotangcohey rodarvus03:18
rodarvushey jsgotangco :)03:18
Hobbseehi rodarvus 03:18
Hobbseehi spam03:18
pittirodarvus! long time no see03:18
rodarvushi Hobbsee, pitti!03:18
rodarvuspitti, indeed :)03:18
jsgotangcoHobbsee: nospam!03:18
rodarvusbeen a while since I've been able to join #ubuntu-devel03:18
Hobbseejsgotangco: no spam?  but spam is fun!03:19
mvo_ogra, pitti: please do not copy it (again), for gusty we get a package something from kdeguidance (at least that is planed)03:19
mvo_hey rodarvus!03:19
rodarvus(and somehow contribute something to ubuntu)03:19
rodarvusmvo_!03:19
pittimvo_: that would be cool; I'll move my spacing fixes there03:19
ogramvo_, i just discovered it, i'm not sure yet it helps me in ltsp ... since dpkg-reconfigure has to run in any case ...03:20
ograi'd just get rid of one debconf-communicate call ... 03:20
mvo_Riddell: we use the code from kdeguidance in displayconfig-gtk, but we talked with upstream aobut it and there is  a plan to unify it all again and move back into a common binary-package03:20
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Riddellmvo_: yes, saw the e-mails03:24
Mithrandirinfinity: we hate .la files, yes.03:25
Mithrandirpitti: does texlive-bin generate any libraries?03:25
pittiMithrandir: no, it doesn't03:26
Mithrandirthen we don't care.03:26
pittihm, I wonder why it doesn't build libkpathsea03:26
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pittiMithrandir: I made a note about this; eventually libkpathsea should be built from texlive-bin, so that we can remove tetex-bin, but right now it doesn't03:29
Mithrandirok03:29
pittiMithrandir: hm, it might mean that a lot of packages will FTBFS on ia64 due to missing tex build deps03:30
pittiI'll look into that right after finishing this php USN stuff03:31
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xxxxx1hi all.03:32
xxxxx1someone here have hardware with tpm support?03:32
Seveasyeah03:32
Mithrandirpitti: cheers.03:33
Seveasit's switched off though :)03:33
xxxxx1i'm working on tpm packages for gutsy03:33
Mithrandirseb128: why does libcairo include .la files?03:33
xxxxx1if someone have suggestions i'll appreciate03:33
xxxxx1for now i'm working on opencryptoki to enable tpm support on firefox03:33
seb128Mithrandir: because of libtool ship them if you don't tell it to not?03:34
seb128Mithrandir: I can make libcairo use clean-la.mk if you want ;)03:35
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Mithrandirseb128: we'd want to clean them out in the right order, but yes, I think we'd want that.03:42
seb128Mithrandir: clean-la.mk empty the dependency_libs so when other packages are rebuild they drop the depends on it and later we can stop shipping it03:44
pittioh, since when the scroll wheel works in terminal apps, such as vim?03:44
seb128so there is no "right order"03:44
Mithrandirseb128: go for it, then.03:44
seb128pitti: I think that's a vte change done just before feisty03:44
pitticool03:44
pittimeh, I removed the cairo .la file locally, and texlive-bin builds fine03:45
seb128pitti: grep libcairo.la /usr/lib/*.la on the box getting the bug03:45
pittiseb128: the box -> buildd03:45
Mithrandirseb128: iz ia64 box.  Somehow I doubt pitti has it at home.03:45
seb128pitti: ssh to an ia64 chroot then if there is one03:46
seb128that's likely not specific to the buildd but to the arch03:46
Mithrandiror just download the .deb from the archive and extract it. :-P03:46
seb128what deb?03:46
seb128every depends shipping a .la? ;)03:46
Mithrandirthe libcairoN_ia64.deb ?03:46
pittiit must be an rdepends of libcairo, not libcairo itself, right?03:47
seb128ah, right03:47
Mithrandirah, point.03:47
Mithrandirso a rdepends of libcairo-dev shipping .la files.03:47
Mithrandircan't be that many03:47
Mithrandircould be indirect though03:47
seb128no03:47
seb128a Build-Depends of texlive-bin03:48
seb128or anything installed while building it03:48
seb128that's not only the libcairo-dev rdepends03:48
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Mithrandirpoint.03:48
infinityNot really much of a point.03:49
seb128that's likely something with a .la mentionning libcairo.la and no Depends on libcairo-dev03:49
infinityAnything that isn't a libcairo rdep but mentione cairo's .la is VERY broken.03:49
seb128the easier is really to grep libcairo.la /usr/lib/*.la03:49
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seb128infinity: well, we are trying to figure what is broken03:49
infinity(But yes, grepping the chroot is the winner here.. Too bad all the ia64 boxes I have access to just fell off the planet)03:49
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pittiseb128: no DC ATM, so no porter's box :/03:50
seb128pitti: that doesn't make the job easy :/03:50
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Treenakspitti: Didn't anyone tell you?03:52
pittiTreenaks: Klingons? Vogons? a bypass?03:52
Treenakspitti: The Russians?03:53
Keybukerr, where did the DC go?03:53
pittisomeone stepped on the wire? the charlaidy pulling out the server chord while vacuuming?03:54
jsgotangcoah well03:54
Mithrandir15:42 < Ng> there is a general issue at the moment with the data centre. sysadmin strike ninjas are en route03:54
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MithrandirKeybuk: ^^03:54
Keybuk"general issue"? :)03:54
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Keybukah yes03:54
Keybuk"oops"03:54
jsgotangcolol03:54
thom"someone broke the fibre"03:55
infinityBackhoe incident?03:55
infinityNuclear strike?  Does anyone in London feel warm?  Have you lost any hair in the last 20 minutes?03:55
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thominfinity: if someone managed to backhoe L3 they're using a large nuclear weapon03:56
thomhuh, jinx :-)03:56
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ograheh03:57
KeybukI remember that "routeing failure" translated to "Engineer rebooted the wrong router"03:58
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bddebianHeya04:00
jussi01Hello!!04:01
Keybukhello04:02
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bddebianHeya jussi01, Keybuk04:03
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jussi01the Motu's directed me this way, so Ill pop up my question and hope someone answers. So, I have a program Im packaging, and it has 2 parts. 1. the front end, gui part, and 2. the binary backend (1 file) can I include this binary file in the source code for multiverse? 04:03
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Keybukjussi01: unable to provide an answer.  What is the licence for that binary part, and what is the licence for the source code?04:04
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jussi01the licence for the source part is the gpl, binary is freeware04:04
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infinityDoes the GPL source bit include an exception for linking against the nonfree bit?04:05
infinity(Or do they not link?)04:05
Keybuk"freeware" ?04:05
jussi01Hmmm, Im not exactly sure04:06
jonoKeybuk: has London gone down do you know?04:06
infinityjono: ninjas en route.04:06
cjwatsonjono: yes, Cambridge is now the capital of England04:06
Robot101bwahahaha04:06
Nafallolol04:06
jonohehe04:06
jsgotangcohaha04:06
mc44quick, lets build a tube system in Cambridge :)04:06
Keybukjono: yes, see BBC News; terrorist attack04:06
Keybuk(note: joke)04:07
jussi01http://lianwei3.googlepages.com/home2 is the program04:07
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jonoKeybuk: haha, rough04:07
Robot101s/mr/mbr/04:07
jonojees, everything seems to be gone04:07
jsgotangcoyes04:07
jonolooks like Ng tripped over a cable and pulled a plug out04:07
Keybuk"when in doubt, blame Ng"04:08
cjwatsonsnares# ifdown eth0 # oh bugger04:08
NafalloI think they just wanted to know the reaction :-)04:09
Keybukcjwatson: at least Ng is in London when he does that04:09
Keybuk"...Mark, can I borrow your yet?"04:09
mc44Keybuk: who was on lug radio talking about how these why things dont happen :)04:09
Nafallohehe04:09
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Keybukmc44: must listen to Lug Radio sometime04:14
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cjwatsonKeybuk: the archive's still frozen04:15
cjwatsonunless somebody unfroze it while the DC was down :P04:15
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Keybukerr, I didn't actually mean to remove that04:16
Keybukoops :)04:16
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Keybukmc44: any particularly good episodes to listen to? there seems to be a lot <g>04:16
mc44Keybuk: well the latest one has some expert advice from a sysadmin :)04:17
NafalloKeybuk: start with s1e1 and continue listening until jono dies a terrible death :-)04:17
KeybukNafallo: I tried that last time, and got to something called the "Marketing Special"04:18
jsgotangcolike not trip on fibre?04:18
Keybukwhich nobody warned me about04:18
Keybukseriously, that thing is a health risk!04:18
Keybukand I've been too scared to listen to any more04:18
NafalloKeybuk: :-)04:18
mc44Keybuk: not even the one with you on? :p04:18
Keybukmc44: listening to that would be just strange04:19
Keybukplus I'll always know that the first version of one of the segments was so much better than the version that got to the recording04:21
Keybuk(which was after jono learned how to switch microphones on)04:21
jonoKeybuk: oi :P04:21
NafalloROTFL!04:22
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Keybukjono: you know that Pia made me sing the song when she picked us up from Sydney airport? :p04:22
Keybukooh, yttrium is back online04:22
jonoKeybuk: haha04:22
jonobrb04:23
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Keybukmc44: I came to the conclusion that LugRadio is better to participate in than listen to :p04:23
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Nafallojono: wb :-)04:23
KeybukNafallo: yttrium is the office04:23
mc44Keybuk: if you can survive jono's house, presumably04:24
NafalloKeybuk: archive isn't? :-)04:24
jonoKeybuk: still seems down here04:24
seb128Nafallo: works here04:24
thombut the office is point-to-pointed to l3, dunnit?04:24
pittiThe authenticity of host 'chinstrap.ubuntu.com (82.211.81.135)' can't be established.04:24
pittiwtf?04:24
Nafalloseb128: same here :-)04:24
Keybukheh, that reminds me of something that never reached the Quotes page04:24
Keybuk"fuck that's fast, do you have a direct link to the data centre or something?" ... "yes"04:25
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pittiah, back now04:25
thomheh04:25
SpadsWe are still working to bring things back on-line04:25
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MithrandirKeybuk: "direct link?  No, it goes through an FC switch."04:26
Mithrandir:-P04:26
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jonoSpads: its the irc server up yet?04:27
KeybukMithrandir: it actually goes over the BT cloud04:27
jonoSpads: seems down04:27
Spadsjono: still down.  04:27
jonoSpads: right04:27
cjwatsonKeybuk: heh, was that me?04:27
Hobbseejono: killed it.  bad jono.04:28
jonoHobbsee: heh04:28
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Keybukcjwatson: might have been, I forget who it actually was04:29
KeybukSpads: power failure?04:29
SpadsKeybuk: Yes.04:29
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Keybukisn't that supposed to be infinitely improbable of happening? :p04:29
mc44Keybuk: thats "tripped over plug" right?04:29
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ograintrestingly the mailservers seem to deliver stuff 04:31
ograi got ML mails all the time04:32
infinityogra: It's all coming back slowly.04:32
pittiyay IRC!04:33
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ScottKpitti: I got a large pile of binary reject notifications for the security uploads for Bug #107628.  Is there anything I need to do to get that fixed?04:40
ubotuLaunchpad bug 107628 in lighttpd "DoS-vulnerability in lighttpd" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10762804:40
pittiScottK: hm, weird; I just checked the source pacakges, are the binaries in the archive?04:40
ScottKpitti: All but AMD64 say need building.04:41
ScottKAMD64 I got an accept for.04:41
pittiindeed i only see amd64 binaries04:42
pittiScottK: hm, that's weird, I had changes files for all architectures04:42
ScottKpitti: And I know it builds on at least i386 because that's what I did my test builds on in pbuilder....04:43
pittiScottK: right, jackass also has all the .debs in the archive04:44
pittithey just failed on the way to launchpad and thus archive.u.c.04:44
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pittiScottK: crap, this also affected the rdesktop USN04:47
ScottKpitti: Sounds like you have your hands full for a bit.  Good luck.04:48
pittiScottK: thanks for pointing out, investigating04:48
pittiScottK: can you please put that mail online?04:48
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pittiScottK: or forward it to martin.pitt@ubuntu.com?04:49
ScottKpitti: The rejection messages I got?04:50
pittiyes, please04:50
ScottKI'll forward them to you.04:50
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pittiScottK: got it, thanks04:52
ScottKpitti: I've sent them all now in two e-mails.04:53
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pittiScottK: they all seem to be similar04:53
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ScottKYes.  Identical except for which arch or version (Dapper/Edgy) to which they refer.04:54
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ScottKpitti: One other thing that may or may not be relevant.  There was also an upload to dapper-proposed to make sure that the version there had the security fix too.  Fujitsu did the upload and it seems to have vanished entirely.05:00
pitti  lighttpd | 1.4.11-3ubuntu3.0.1 | dapper-security/universe | source, amd6405:01
pitti  lighttpd | 1.4.11-3ubuntu3.1 | dapper-proposed/universe | source, amd64, hppa, i386, ia64, powerpc, sparc05:01
pittiScottK: it's still there05:01
ScottKOK.  05:01
ScottKOdd as it was listed yesterday on my LP package maintenance report and it's not there now: https://launchpad.net/~kitterman/+packages - strange.05:03
ScottKI guess that's an artifact of having another Dapper upload to security that came after.05:04
pittilikely05:04
ScottKpitti: Thanks, just wanted to make sure you had any relevant facts.  Going back to lurking now...05:05
pittiScottK: thanks for your help!05:05
ScottKpitti: Just noticed - The version that was uploaded yesterday was 3ubuntu3.2.  3.1 has been there since November.  So it is in fact missing.05:06
ScottKStill on my first cup of coffee...05:06
pittiScottK: right, that one is still in unapproved05:06
pitti  192538 | S- | lighttpd             | 1.4.11-3ubuntu3.2    | 36 hours05:07
ScottKOK.  Who 'approves'?  Is the a MOTU SRU function?05:07
pittiI do usually05:07
ScottKOK.05:07
pittievery few days05:08
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pittiI am on regular archive admin shift on Fridays, plus when someone pokes me about something urgent05:08
ScottKSounds good then.  I don't think that's urgent as it's not just about to get out of proposed.  Thanks again.05:08
el_erichoHi everybody, i'm trying to fix a bug, but i need some python orientation. 05:11
el_erichoThis is the bug #10979905:12
ubotuLaunchpad bug 109799 in bittornado "Bittornado preferences diaog doesn't save the new preferences" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10979905:12
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el_erichoi'm analyzing the code and i found that in the function saveConfigs on ConfigReader.py, the new values of self.config aren't updated 05:17
el_erichoi'm not a python programmer, actually i'm a not a programmer, but i think that this could be a python problem.05:17
el_erichoI don't find differences between the edgy package and the feisty package and the original version. 05:18
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bluefoxicymmn.  Feisty+1 will run off 2.6.21 or better ... and 2.6.21 has dynticks, which allows for greater power savings.06:09
bluefoxicySomeone remind me to do some battery life tests on my laptop when that kernel goes into the dev branch.06:10
Nafallobluefoxicy: i.e. later today hopefully. you might remember that yourself then ;-)06:11
bluefoxicynafallo:  Gutsy is open already?06:11
Nafallobluefoxicy: I run it :-)06:11
cjwatsonit's still frozen for sorting out the toolchain, but nearly open06:12
Nafallobut no. freezed for the toolchain :-)06:12
Nafallofrozen. thanks :-906:12
Nafallo:-906:12
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NafalloGAAH06:12
Nafallo:-)06:12
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pochubluefoxicy: it will run 2.6.22, 99.99% (BenC words) :)06:13
Nafallopochu: 2.6.21-1 seems to be todays upload though ;-)06:14
pochucool :)06:14
pochuNafallo: of course I mean for final, there's no 2.6.22 yet in kernel.org ;)06:14
BenCNo, today's upload with be 2.6.22-1 (2.6.21 with SUBLEVEL override to save me some work later on)06:14
Nafallo:-)06:15
cjwatsonthat'll be confusing06:15
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BenCcjwatson: I did the 2.6.19/2.6.20 thing for feisty, and it was even more confusing06:15
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BenCbasically, it's based on linux-2.6.git which is the 2.6.22 devel tree right now :)06:16
Nafalloso 21 will be 22. that should be easy to remember :-P06:16
NafalloBenC: 23 will not be for feisty then? :-)06:16
BenC"We're so bleeding edgy, we release new kernels even before Linus!"06:17
Nafallohaha06:17
BenCerr, edge06:17
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bluefoxicyBenC:  are you enabling dynticks, or is that totally new infrastructure that can't be disabled :)06:19
saispoBenC: have you heard some problem with bcm43xx and bitrate under feisty ?06:19
bluefoxicysaispo:  bcm43xx needs FIRMWARE ;(06:19
saispoyes :/06:19
BenCbluefoxicy: NO_HZ is enabled for generic kernels06:19
bluefoxicyBenC:  lovely.06:20
BenCsaispo: hell, I've experienced it :)06:20
saispo:)06:20
BenCsaispo: the open source driver, due to being a reverse engineering project still in its infancy, has issues still06:20
saispoBenC: i have a 11 mbit/s bitrate on my desktop and on my laptop i have 54 mbit/s06:21
BenCone of them being trouble with distance to the AP (I couldn't move more than 20 feet from my AP)06:21
BenCsaispo: connection quality may affect that06:21
saispoBenC: yep, but want to try, i remember under edgy, no problem...06:21
saispoand under Mandriva, no problem06:21
BenCsaispo: Ah, we forced it to 11Mbit by default because I don't think 54 works at all06:21
saispoBenC: ok06:22
saispohow can i bypass this ?06:22
BenCin fact, on my ppc, it wouldn't do over 2mbit :/06:22
saispo:/06:22
bluefoxicysome open source firmware for that thing would get me hot06:22
bluefoxicyFirmware is an amazing thing.06:22
BenCsaispo: iwconfig eth1 rate 54M06:22
Nafallosaispo: easy! plug a wire in :-)06:22
Nafallobetter security aswell ;-)06:22
saispoNafallo: yes, i really think about it :)06:22
bluefoxicyYou can fine-tune the performance of the hardware itself, possibly even take a shitty device and make it a top-performing device.06:23
bluefoxicyNintendo 6406:23
saispoBenC: i will try some test at 54 mbits, i will tell you if it's stable or not :)06:23
bluefoxicyOne company rewrote the CPU microcode for the graphics controller, got it to output 3 times the polygons per second and everything looked infinitely better (nintendo banned them from using the modification), the original code was horribly profiled :)06:23
saispoBenC: it's possible to fix it permanently N06:25
saispo?06:25
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yondiehello guys just wondering is this there something wrong with my tee usage in this if...then...fi scripts?07:19
yondiehttp://rafb.net/p/v7lNKp52.html07:19
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Treenakstee writes to stdout.. and to a file you give it07:22
Treenaksredirecting like that twice won't work07:22
Treenaksafaik07:22
yondieTreenaks: if i type the command at line 5  in the terminal just like dat,, it works !!07:23
yondieTreenaks: it didn`t work when i use in if.then.fi07:23
Treenaksah07:23
Treenaks /bin/sh vs /bin/bash07:23
Treenaksyou must be using a bash extension07:23
Treenaksalso, please read the topic: this channel isn't about application development07:23
yondiei`m sorry07:23
Treenaksnp, just pointing out ;)07:24
ScottKpitti: Looks like the lighttpd security updates made it out.  Thanks.07:27
cjwatsonindeed, >(...) is a bash extension07:28
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yondiecjwatson: any idea how to fixed it? i know it's offtopic07:30
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cjwatsonthere should be channels around more appropriate for shell scripting questions07:32
yondiewokey07:32
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pochuheno: https://beta.launchpad.net/~isotesting :)07:51
henopochu: lovely :)07:52
pochucool :)07:52
pochuthe small one still needs some work, but I think they're pretty good07:52
sn0looks nice :) /me joins07:58
pochusn0: :)07:59
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jcolehey dudes08:04
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jcolewhat's the best way to integrate a system configure shell script into the boot process (/etc/init.d) that starts before gdm and the other services with upstart?08:05
Keybuksame as with sysvinit08:09
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soothsayAnybody know how to set up debarchiver on Ubuntu?08:45
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=== Mithrandir ponders running the first "auto" sync run for this cycle.
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tepsipakkiMithrandir: why wait :)09:08
NafalloMithrandir: bring it on! :-D09:08
NafalloMithrandir: or wait until the first kernel has started building maybe? :-)09:08
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Goliath23hi. it seems that 64bit ubuntu has a problem with LD_PRELOADing libaoss. is that a known bug? (if it'09:16
Goliath23s a bug)09:16
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Goliath23no matter what program I try to run with oass I get: ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/lib/libaoss.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored.09:17
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=== Adri2000 wonders why we don't have git-buildpackage - has been in debian since sept 2006, and I don't see it in sync-blacklist.txt
pochudo NEW packages get synced automatically?09:24
Adri2000yes09:24
pochuok :)09:24
sladen vvvvvvcccccccccccccccccccccccCccccccccccnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%09:26
kylemvery nice.09:26
thomuh, sladen09:26
TreenaksI think we'll have to kill his cat09:27
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sladenoops, that was an Debian KDE ex-Maintainer's cat09:27
sladenmaybe it'll be an ex-cat soon, though nchip might be disappointed09:28
ograsladen, so he moved to be a debian gnome maintainer now ? 09:30
Keybukpochu: no09:33
pochuAdri2000: ^09:33
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ogralol09:33
Keybukpochu: nothing is synced automatically09:33
ograwho is spreading that ? :)09:33
pochuKeybuk: don't we automatically sync from debian at the beggining of the cycle?09:34
Adri2000pochu: eh, Keybuk syncs the NEW packages I believe :)09:34
\shogra, hehe...how's live, man :) btw..you are invited to karlsruhe, when I moved places with my GF in may :)09:34
Adri2000but I guess he syncs them all09:34
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Keybuknope09:35
Keybuknew in Debian are done individually09:35
Keybuknot en-masse09:35
TreenaksKeybuk: and 'the rest' of Debian?09:35
ogra\sh, busy as hell, if i dont sint on the lappie i'm renovating this huge house or care for the garden ... 09:35
KeybukTreenaks: they're done mostly automatically by hand09:35
ogra\sh, i'll happily drop by if i'm in karlsruhe any time soon ... feel free to ping if you are in kassel :)09:36
\shogra, oh I think I'll have a trip to kassel after linuxtag then :)09:36
Keybukie. the automatic sync everything newer in Debian and unmodified in Ubuntu is run by hand every day by some poor sod09:36
Keybuk(previously me :p)09:36
elmoKeybuk: what kind of vetting do you do on NEW?09:37
Keybukelmo: much09:37
elmoKeybuk: I use to pull it all in blind \o/09:37
ogra\sh, this year is documenta year ... lots of arts stuff going on here :)09:37
ograhttp://documenta.de/09:37
KeybukI pretty much treat new-from Debian as I would stuff in NEW, and looked at them individually09:37
pochuMithrandir: there's no PPC port for xubuntu feisty final, though you did one for the beta. Could you please make it?09:37
Keybukpochu: feisty has been released already09:38
elmoKeybuk: why bother?09:38
\shogra, I sponsor the beer :) greetings to Suse btw...09:38
pochuKeybuk: I know, but you still can run the publisher, or whatever you do, right? :)09:38
Keybukelmo: because motu uploaded stuff by themselves under different names, or they broke our patches, or they were part of transitions that needed care, etc.09:39
Keybukpochu: then it wouldn't be necessarily the same as the candidate at the time09:39
elmoKeybuk: *shrug* k (it's your time)09:39
Keybukelmo: actually, I'm not doing it this time round ;)09:39
Keybuk(yay, having staff :p)09:39
ogra\sh, she sends greetings back to you :)09:40
\shogra, thx :)09:40
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pochuKeybuk: I haven't said it would be ;) just that there's a precedent ;)09:40
Mithrandirpochu: has anybody actually tested the images?09:41
pochuthe beta images?09:41
Mithrandirno09:41
Mithrandirthe daily ones09:41
pochulet me see09:42
ograMithrandir, you havent yet ? man how are we ever supposed to get gutsy stable :P09:42
ograoh, you are discussing xubuntu feisty, sorry i thought that was a gutsy question :)09:42
pochuogra: anyway, feel free to test them :p09:43
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ograpochu, could do that on the weekend09:45
ograbut no promises, i'm not sure about my spare time ...09:45
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pochuogra: no worries, I'm looking whether it has already been tested or not09:47
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pochumaybe you can just install the final release then ;)09:47
ograi think ppc did generally not get as much testing this time 09:47
pochumaybe it has already been done :)09:49
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cjwatsonKeybuk: anything I saw in NEW with a Debian-style version number during the semiautosync period, I just shoved straight in09:50
cjwatsonKeybuk: if I was feeling particularly diligent I might have checked that it actually came from Debian09:50
ograoh, we have hal-info as separate package now ... 09:51
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pittiogra: yes, it was split upstream for easier maintenance and faster releasing09:52
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ograyeah, they were always moaning that we dot ship it when i asked for help in #hal :)09:52
ogra*dont09:52
pittijust because 0.5.8.1 still hadn't split it09:52
ograyeah09:53
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seb128dist-upgrade to gutsy, utch09:54
seb128After unpacking 481MB of additional disk space will be used.09:54
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pittiseb128: wtf??09:55
seb128pitti: I blame all the tex*09:55
seb12855 upgraded, 40 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded.09:55
seb128Need to get 345MB of archives.09:55
pittiah, right, my fault even :/09:55
seb128I can't do the update :(09:55
Mithrandir"auto"-sync is up to c now.09:55
Keybukcjwatson: yeah, if they reached our NEW, I'd already checked them -- I did it before sync'ing09:55
seb128my /usr has not enough space09:56
seb128grrr09:56
pittiseb128: it might help to uninstall tetex-extra09:56
seb128pitti: trying09:56
pittiseb128: then it doesn't pull in all that additional stuff you probably won't09:56
pittineed09:56
LaserJockpitti: have you merged texlive yet? or is gutsy even ready for that?09:56
pittiLaserJock: everything is in gutsy :)09:56
seb128pitti: After unpacking 93.2MB of additional disk space will be used.09:57
seb128much better ;)09:57
pittibetter09:57
cjwatsonKeybuk: from the point of view of somebody processing NEW, it wasn't certain whether they came from the sync process or were random uploads09:57
seb128pitti: how come than text require an extra 350M now?09:57
seb128s/text/tex09:57
pittiseb128: texlive is vastly bigger than tetex, and the transitional dependencies were designed to err on the safe side09:57
pittiseb128: i. e. not break people's TeX systems when they had tetex-{base,extra} before09:58
seb128hum, k09:58
pittiyou can probably strip it down heavily09:58
Keybukcjwatson: yes, I did try and do them at the same time, but sometimes forgot :)09:58
LaserJockpitti: is that going to cause .iso size issues?09:59
pittiLaserJock: I doubt it, TeX isn't on the CDs09:59
pittiat most libkpathsea09:59
pittiwell, so I would think anyway09:59
LaserJockhmm, I thought -bin or -base was09:59
pittiLaserJock: no, just checked; only libkpathsea10:00
LaserJockok, cool10:00
LaserJockTeX is an absolute beast when it comes to disk space10:00
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LaserJockI did a svn checkout of the debian-tex-maint repo the other day10:01
LaserJock22GB10:01
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geseris texlive that big?10:02
LaserJockmdz: ping regarding ubuntu-tex mailing list10:02
pittiLaserJock: do you really think that this will be necessary?10:03
LaserJockgeser: not exactly, they have copies of upstream releases for tetex and texlive10:03
LaserJockpitti: what? the ML?10:03
pittiyes10:03
geserLaserJock: have we already have a package list for which ubuntu-tex should be a bug contact?10:03
mdzLaserJock: dev team meeting in progress10:04
ajmitchmorning10:04
LaserJockwell, I've got 12 members in ~ubuntu-tex 10:04
LaserJockand I wanted to set up a ML for bug contacts10:04
LaserJockmdz: sorry10:04
LaserJockI could be just me, but I find it difficult to coordinate anything without a mailing list10:05
mdzLaserJock: you are quite welcome to use ubuntu-devel to coordinate, your participation will be welcome!10:06
geserLaserJock: wasn't it suggested to use the ubuntu-devel ml for coordination? until we generate to much traffic10:06
LaserJockalright then10:07
popeybug 110361 :( :( :(10:10
ubotuLaunchpad bug 110361 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 "New feisty 64bit install causes nvidia card failure" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11036110:10
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=== ogra glares at siretart's first gutsy upload ...
seb128ogra: gnome-screensaver 2.19.1 is available10:11
seb1282.19.1.1 rather10:11
ograseb128, do we ship it through -updates ?10:12
siretartogra: err, huh?10:12
seb128no, it's 2.1910:12
seb128even number is unstable cycle10:12
siretartogra: you mean 'sauerbraten'?10:12
ograoh, indeed .. heh sorry, had a long day10:12
seb128ogra: that's new cycle starting, to upload to gutsy ;)10:12
ograsiretart, yeah10:12
pittiogra: oh, that was from a sync request in feisty times10:13
siretartogra: that was no upload, but a sync request, which was actually requested for feisty10:13
ograheh10:13
ajmitchogra: does that mean you won't get any work done for a few days? :)P10:14
fabbione<Keybuk> me also, I have mvo, fabbione and tfheen yet to go10:15
fabbioneKeybuk: ^^^ phone call tomorrow?10:15
ograajmitch, i didnt plan to play it ... the name is just weird :)10:15
Keybukfabbione: I'm doing it by e-mail, since I'm running up oxford street with work right now10:15
fabbioneKeybuk: ok10:16
Keybukand I'm away all next week :-/10:16
fabbionefun10:16
Keybukaye10:18
Keybukyay tech tour10:18
fabbioneyeah i know10:18
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jcoleKeybuk: thanks10:25
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Keybukjcole: for?10:26
jcoleGoliath23: try to rebuild it10:26
Goliath23jcole: what?10:26
Goliath23teamspeak? aoss? wine?10:26
psusiif I'm fixing a bug in a package and there is a newer version availible from the upstream source, but not debian, should I update to the upstream version?10:26
jcole(11:05:26 AM) jcole: what's the best way to integrate a system configure shell script into the boot process (/etc/init.d) that starts before gdm and the other services with upstart?10:27
jcole(11:09:05 AM) Keybuk: same as with sysvinit10:27
jcoleGoliath23: aoss10:27
NafalloKeybuk: are you going to convert the world to upstart this cycle? :-)10:27
Goliath23jcole: reinstall or rebuild?10:27
pittipsusi: please first merge with Debian, then update to new upstream10:27
pittipsusi: avoids lots of mess in the next merge step10:27
KeybukNafallo: :-)10:27
ograNafallo, ++10:28
jcoleGoliath23: i don't know why, but sometimes when i rebuild a package natively on amd64 it works "better"10:28
NafalloKeybuk: in that case, gimme a handson with one script so I can help you with the rest of them :-)10:28
Goliath23jcole: I think its just that the installed 64 bit ld.so can not preload 32 bit libraries.10:28
Goliath23I probably wait for teamspeak3 using alsa, then I don't have to fiddle around with aoss10:29
KeybukNafallo: see latest mail from me on upstart-devel ;)10:29
Goliath23and preload "hacks" :)10:29
Keybukhelp solve that problem and it's easy10:29
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NafalloKeybuk: so I should sign up then? :-)10:29
psusipitti: getting the changes into debian can take months or never though ;(10:29
psusipitti: and our package already has deviated from the debian version10:29
tarzeauanyone wants to try a new game?10:29
pittipsusi: right, but from the merging POV it's still better to merge first and then upgrade10:30
tarzeauhttp://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/yap/yetanotherpacman_1.11-1_i386.deb10:30
KeybukNafallo: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/upstart-devel/2007-April/000363.html10:30
pittitarzeau: 'pacman' ... 'new'10:30
tarzeaupitti: yep, pretty nice10:30
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NafalloKeybuk: I'll grab the whole archive and convert it to maildir instead :-)10:32
Goliath23jcole: If I wanted to recompile the package that contains aoss, where could I read how to do that?10:33
fabbionetarzeau: best flight simulator EVAR http://www.ioccc.org/1998/banks.c10:33
Goliath23I guess I'd have to install the source package and run some dpkg commands?10:33
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tarzeaufabbione: haha10:34
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tarzeaupitti: new is new, and modern is different10:35
pittitarzeau: just joking :)10:36
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Goliath23fabbione: doesn't compile! :)10:36
KeybukNafallo: so, any ideas? :p10:36
tarzeauGoliath23: same here10:37
fabbioneGoliath23: file a bug10:37
Goliath23m.c:6: Fehler: dt ist hier nicht deklariert (nicht in einer Funktion)10:37
Goliath23hehe10:37
fabbioneGoliath23: that's locales fault..10:37
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jcoleGoliath23: apt-get source alsa-oss10:42
ograbryce, apt-cache rdepends xresprobe ...10:42
ograits a binary dep of xserver-xorg10:42
jcoleGoliath23: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/2010:42
NafalloKeybuk: that needs a good nights dreaming to find an answer to ;-)10:42
cjwatsonogra: can I answer please?10:42
ogracjwatson, indeed10:43
seb128ogra: no it's not10:43
Nafallos/to/too/10:43
cjwatsonbryce: ogra is mistaken here, it's only a Recommends10:43
ograoh, sorry10:43
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cjwatsonbryce: so, the background is that we put it in the 'ship' seed (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement) so that it was possible to remove it after installation to avoid cruft10:44
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bryceahh10:44
cjwatsonbryce: (at the time we didn't have any other mechanism to have stuff installed by default but removable; Recommends in ubuntu-desktop is a recent innovation)10:44
cjwatsonbryce: an installer component explicitly arranged for it to be installed if you were installing the desktop10:44
brycecool, ok I was just concerned if there was an incompatibility or some such10:45
cjwatsonat the time, it had to be unpacked *and configured* (which is unusual) before X was even installed, so this wasn't an extra hardship10:45
dokopitti, Mithrandir: is texlive ready?10:45
pittidoko: yes, it is10:45
cjwatsonbryce: but that was all in the alternate installer, and this was back before the desktop installer was implemented10:45
fabbionedoko: upgrading now10:45
Goliath23jcole: thanks10:45
pittidoko: we stalled the opening of gutsy until it was10:45
dokook, because python2.5 did fail to build, looking at it now10:45
fabbionesparc exploded...10:46
cjwatsonbryce: I have a suspicion, though haven't verified, that the desktop installer never installed xresprobe on the target system10:46
bryceok, I have a feeling (but no evidence) that some of the reported bugs with monitor mis-detection in feisty might be caused by a missing xresprobe10:46
cjwatsonbryce: we put it in the live seed, which means that it's installed in the live session but removed on copy to the target system10:46
cjwatsonbryce: however, we wouldn't have noticed this because xorg.conf is copied over from the live session10:46
fabbionedoko: what did you do to sparc?10:47
brycethere's at least one case of someone changing video cards after a feisty install and things started majorly misworking 10:47
tepsipakkibryce: that's true, there are reports where the same image works sometimes10:47
fabbionedoko: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/gutsy_probs.html10:47
cjwatsonbryce: so the only way this could matter is if something is re-running xresprobe after initial installation10:47
mdzbryce: we don't even try to make that work at present10:47
tepsipakkibryce: actually, not missing xresprobe but dmidecode not working10:47
mdzbryce: there's no mechanism to re-detect if the hardware is changed10:47
cjwatsonright, if they had to reconfigure X and xresprobe wasn't installed, this would be problematic10:47
mdzbryce: I'm hoping this will become less of an issue with display hotplug10:47
cjwatsonbut as mdz says, this will only be done if you explicitly dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, AFAIK10:47
bryceright, iirc they reconfigured X but of course it didn't detect things correctly10:48
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brycemdz, agreed10:48
Keybukdoesn't this stuff vaguely go away with Xorg 1.3?10:48
cjwatsonas I said by mail, I moved xresprobe to be a recommends of desktop, which should clear that up10:48
cjwatsonKeybuk: only once the configuration stuff is also adapted10:48
cjwatsonand assuming that xserver 1.3 does everything we want10:48
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Mithrandirfabbione: python2.5 blew up10:49
ograKeybuk, i suspect they cpoied it to ~ :P10:49
fabbionedoko: ^^ please fix. kthxbye10:49
tepsipakkidisplay-hotplug affectes the output-devices.. the server can detect correct driver already10:49
ogra*copied10:49
fabbioneMithrandir: thanks10:49
mdzKeybuk: we know there are cases where that's true, but what we need to know is when it doesn't :-)10:49
bryceKeybuk: yup, the plan though is to still support the xresprobe approach as a fallback10:49
cjwatsonI have a suspicion that somebody (*cough* hi bryce) is going to have to spend a few weeks going through all the workarounds we have built up over time and ensuring that they are all included in the serverr10:49
cjwatsonserver10:49
bryce:-)10:49
Mithrandirfabbione: I'll give it back and it'll hopefully explode less.10:49
fabbioneMithrandir: thanks...10:50
cjwatsonX hackers tend to have well-supported graphics cards on the machines where they hack on this sort of thing ...10:50
pittiKeybuk: "I removed my xorg.conf and X still works" -> me too, I got that in r-m bug reports10:50
mdzthe panel detection stuff can most likely go away entirely, since that was a twisted loop querying the X server to get information to write xorg.conf10:50
dokofabbione, Mithrandir: looking at it now. the archive is open now?10:50
mdzbut the cases where both DDC and the driver fail to detect the display, those we still need to handle somehow10:50
Keybukcjwatson: pushing new recruits into the deep end is one thing, put pushing them into the shark-with-frickin-laser-beams-on-their-foreheads and piranha infested waters is another entirely!10:50
cjwatsondoko: yes10:50
fabbionemdz: hey.. that was a real piece of working art 2 years ago10:50
pittidoko: yes, you can upload wildly10:50
Mithrandirdoko: yes, the archive is open; I just gave back python2.5 which should hopefully fix this.10:50
tepsipakkicurrently the server only works either without a config or a valid config10:51
cjwatsonKeybuk: I was planning to give him some kind of forcefield shield. Does that make it morally OK?10:51
tepsipakkier, "with a valid config"10:51
cjwatson"the X server works if and only if your configuration is broken"10:51
brycehehe10:51
tepsipakkibut gravity is working on that10:51
fabbioneX server works because Chuck Norris wrote it10:52
tepsipakki:)10:52
ograhe did ? 10:52
tepsipakkiwith just one hand.. behind the back10:52
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mdzbryce: everyone whose brain we need to pick about this will be at UDS.  bring a list of questions!10:53
dokoMithrandir: no, have to upload a python-defaults with loosened dependencies first10:53
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brycecool, will doo10:53
bryceer, -o10:53
Mithrandirdoko: ok, have fun.10:53
fabbionebrainsik: and beer please :)10:53
fabbioneops10:53
tepsipakkiplease pick the debian brains as well10:53
fabbionebryce: ^^10:53
Mithrandirfabbione: beer isn't really enough.  Might well need tequila or stronger too.10:53
fabbionebryce: the more beer.. the more i will answer ;)10:53
brainsikfabbione: huh?10:54
fabbioneMithrandir: beer to start... i need to warm up again10:54
fabbionebrainsik: sorry.. wrong tab10:54
brainsikfabbione: :)10:54
brycefabbione: :-)10:54
ograbryce, you have nfs4 experience ? 10:54
fabbioneX over nfs4 ?10:55
ogra:P10:55
fabbionei actually configured decnet here at home10:55
mdzon that note, good night. I am almost out of battery10:55
bryceogra: yup10:55
ografabbione, nope, i'm trying to get ltsp with nfs4 nfsroot going ... :)10:55
fabbionei need to see if xtrans extensions are working10:55
brycemdz, night!  thanks10:55
fabbionemdke: night dude10:55
ograbryce, i'll pay some of fabbiones beers for you then :)10:55
ograand pick your brain a bit if you dont mind :)10:56
Nafallooh. Keybuk left :-P10:56
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bryceogra, sure :-)10:57
ogra;)10:57
\shogra, nfs4 is a charme...less trouble with network admins and their broken firewall appliances ;)10:58
ogra\sh, its a pain in initramfs :)10:58
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ograbut i got it roughly working now ... 10:58
fabbioneogra: nothing is pain...10:58
\shogra, I migrated our old nfs3 auto home fs to nfs4..now I'm stucked with the sles9 integration of nfs4..:(10:58
fabbionepain is pleasure and fun10:59
ajmitchfabbione: masochist10:59
\shSM!10:59
ografabbione, indeed, i picked that pain :)10:59
fabbioneajmitch: i didn't say inflicting the pain on who :)10:59
Nafallooh. what a twist to the discussion ;-)10:59
fabbioneNafallo: never seen Hell Raiser (the movies)?11:00
Nafallofabbione: I think I have one of them somewhere, but not really, no :-)11:00
\shoh guys, I do have a good working openldap config for user auth, and sudo-ldap integration...I think tomorrow I'm starting to migrate the ldap-master server from sles to ubuntu11:00
fabbioneNafallo: ehhh11:00
ajmitchI can't say much, I'm just installing longhorn server in vmware to test out samba & AD 11:01
ajmitch\sh: good11:01
ograajmitch, shudder11:01
ajmitchogra: I know11:01
Nafalloajmitch: nice. did you pay for it? ;-)11:01
ajmitchNafallo: no, open beta11:01
Nafallo:-)11:01
\shajmitch, need to change the acl from old file style to new bdb backend style 11:01
Nafallowould rock if we integrate with it when it's released :-)11:02
ajmitchNafallo: that's mostly up to the samba team11:02
Nafalloajmitch: they have the goal though?11:02
ajmitchof course, it'll be a requirement11:03
Nafallonice. can we get back to SM now. that's not half as painful as Windows ;-)11:03
ajmitchhehe11:04
ogralol11:04
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\shgood night folks...time to get a life...11:06
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welshbytei've just seen someone say on a list that the server and desktop versions of ubuntu use the same kernel, is that true?11:29
Nafallono11:30
welshbytedidn't think so11:30
Nafallo-server vs -generic11:30
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ivoksdid anyone tried oem before release? :)11:44
Mithrandirlibe* and counting..11:51
ajmitchso we'll just have to wait for buildds to catch up then11:52
NafalloMithrandir: autosyncing? :-)11:52
MithrandirNafallo: "auto", yes.11:52
Nafallonice :-)11:52
Mithrandirthis is just the "download into the ~/syncs bit.  Then it'll have to be processed.11:52
ajmitchah11:53
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cjwatsongrr @ ivoks12:06
cjwatson"doesn't work for me" != "nobody tried it"12:06
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