=== johanbr [n=j@blk-224-156-151.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === erstazi [n=erstazi@unaffiliated/erstazi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads_ [n=spacehob@host-84-9-50-5.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === josevitor [n=josevito@201.64.84.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === josevitor [n=josevito@201.64.84.118] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === koke [n=koke@sccc-66-78-236-255.smartcity.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === erstazi [n=erstazi@unaffiliated/erstazi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:59] Nafallo: no, but it's expensive [01:02] yea. I guess a move from Sweden would be quite expensive to start with :-P. [01:03] anyway. will translate my CV :-) [01:03] Nafallo: it's ok if you are being paid well, or sharing accomodation [01:04] ah. nice. that would probably be quite fun :-) [01:08] morning [01:08] morning ajmitch :-) [01:09] Nafallo: also, our alcohol is cheaper than in Sweden :) [01:09] mc44: hehe. I don't care much about alcohol though :-) [01:09] rather spend my money on computerparts ;-) === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@adsl-144-154-3.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mr_pouit [n=mrpouit@ubuntu/member/mrpouit] has joined #ubuntu-devel === brainsik [n=brainsik@dsl092-001-132.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Exit,] [01:37] Can a developer look at this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gksu/+bug/66518 I have some bug fixes for gksu. It fixes most startup notification problems and would be nice to be merged. [01:37] Malone bug 66518 in gksu "[Edgy + Feisty] Startup Notification broken" [Medium,Confirmed] === jml_ [n=jml@220-253-103-224.TAS.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:41] siti, I can look, I'm not a dev tho [01:41] I can review the patch ^_^ [01:43] siti, simple patch ^_^ [01:44] yeah it's very simple but fixes the most annoying bugs I have with ubuntu === pygi could perhaps roll new package today or day after [01:44] if you want me to ofcourse ^_^ [01:44] roll a new package? [01:45] well, apply patches to existing one, and upload it to archives =) [01:45] yeah that would be cool, how does it get merged from there, sorry I am quite new ... [01:46] well, if it gets into archives, then you can get it :P === jmg [n=cartel@shinobi.thoughtcrime.org.nz] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [01:46] you could call that merged-in :) [01:46] ok [01:46] ok, assigned to me [01:46] will take care of it in near future I hope =) [01:46] thanks [01:47] yw, thank you [01:47] I'll nag you if you don't ;) [01:47] siti, sure, you're most welcome to :) [01:48] pygi: kewl. didn't know you where a core-dev :-) [01:48] Nafallo, I'm not :P [01:48] Nafallo, I'm not even a MOTU =) [01:49] pygi: ah. sponsoring... [01:49] how does distro registering work on LP? who is allowed to start a distro, what services do you get, etc? === koke [n=koke@sccc-66-78-236-255.smartcity.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:49] jdong, I guess #launchpad may be better answer to that? [01:49] Nafallo, nod ^_^ [01:49] Nafallo, nobody would grant core dev access to a person like me :P [01:49] hehe [01:50] :-P === pygi however hopes to get a few packages up to main in this cycle^_^ [01:50] why am I NOT in bed? [01:51] because it's only 1:50? [01:51] which is in the middle of the night... I should sleep :-) [01:52] hm, sleep is overrated :P [01:52] depends... [01:53] on the position of the moon? [01:54] siti, hopefully that can go in edgy-updates, and feisty-updates [01:54] I'd say the later one is more probably :) [01:55] yeah that would be nice === pygi needs to build fresh chroots on server [01:55] have you noticed how screwed up the startup notification is when using gksu too? [01:56] ^_^ [01:56] whatever you need, just feel free to poke :) [01:56] ok [01:56] thanks [01:56] If you need help in writing patches, just say ^_^ === pygi also need those, especially bringing evil GB up-to-shape finally :P [01:57] I am fine with patches, it's more learning how ubuntu/debian works and how to make packages === micahcowan [n=micahcow@ubuntu/member/micahcowan] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:57] oki, #ubuntu-motu is always there to help, and ofcourse you're always welcome to mail me if you need something ^_^ [01:57] it's not hard as it seems, trust me =) [01:58] :) === adamant1988 [n=adam@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === svolpe [n=Gerrath_@unaffiliated/gerrath] has joined #ubuntu-devel === reitblatt [n=mark@resnet-50-180.dorm.utexas.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === qiyong [n=qiyong@fc-cn.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.149.1.32] has joined #ubuntu-devel === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ubiq [n=ubiq@116.21.115.88] has joined #ubuntu-devel === koke [n=koke@ubuntu/member/koke] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mat [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=rudi@p508DBCE7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === koke [n=koke@sccc-66-78-236-255.smartcity.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Trewas_ [n=ilonen@raato.lut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [n=wasabi@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@61.149.2.83] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JussiP [n=jpakkane@vipunen.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mirv [n=tajyrink@vipunen.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml [n=jml@59.167.203.115] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:04] hey guys some time ago I poked around in here to try to setup a mailing list and got two answers: email to rt@a.c.c and mailman@l.u.c. I've sent email to both this last month, but haven't heard back from either. What is the correct way to setup a mailing list? === gouki__ [n=gouki@bl4-197-58.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:05] superm1: did you get a confirmation from rt ? [03:05] I got a # back from them, but it was automated [03:05] no people have responded [03:06] it just said to include it in the subject of all future communications [03:08] lifeless, it has been almost a month (march 30th) since i sent. Is there somewhere else i should poke? === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:09] superm1: you can ask about progress in #canonical-sysadmin, or follow up to the mail. [03:09] lifeless, already followed up to the mail (twice now) with no response. i'll poke in that channel. thanks === stdin [n=tez@82-37-240-159.cable.ubr07.smal.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:10] morning all === predius_ [n=predius@190.8.154.185] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Toma- [n=e17@203-59-13-104.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr_ [n=j@blk-224-156-151.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === predius [n=predius@190.8.154.185] has joined #ubuntu-devel === soothsay [n=soothsay@bas5-montreal02-1096553340.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zerbero5 [n=jga@p85.212.12.251.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === neumann [n=BNeumann@cpe-066-026-060-110.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.9.233.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jozo [i=jozo@nelli.ikonia.fi] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.149.2.83] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-94-19.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.9.233.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:58] morning guys [04:58] hey fabbione! [04:59] hey hey [04:59] :) [05:12] sup d00ds? [05:13] desrt: i will tell you once i am alive [05:13] you are not yet born? === Hobbsee applies the cattle prod. [05:13] hey. back off. i like this guy. [05:13] only gently! === desrt is tired tonight === Hobbsee could use the cattle prod to wake you up too? [05:14] please no. [05:14] heh === desrt is more or less ready to go to bed but is waiting for someone to come online first === n3t0 [n=n3t0@201-13-56-208.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:17] how i can set packages priority on ubuntu apt-get? [05:17] n3t0; you have come to the wrong place, i'm afraid [05:17] ups. its devel [05:17] sorry [05:17] it's cool [05:18] have a nice night [05:18] desrt: i have been reborn many times.. today i just need to poweron the brain [05:18] thanls [05:18] thanks [05:18] ah [05:18] coffee works better for that than cattle prods. [05:18] Hobbsee ought to have known better [05:18] desrt: but far less fun... [05:18] desrt: i keep saying that i want a lassoo and a cattle prod at work, but they keep saying no... [05:19] Hobbsee; some things are best done on personal time === stdin [n=tez@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:19] desrt: heh. just to use on pesky customers, nothing else... === ScottLij [n=ScottLij@66-227-218-192.dhcp.klmz.mi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:20] if you have access to their home address information then you could easily turn it into a personal-time hobby [05:21] hrm, i'll be right [05:21] besides - once i leave work, it's notmy problem anymore [05:21] so if foolish customers leave all their shopping behind, i dont care. go talk to the people on the desk :P [05:21] true... but you have to take out your agression somewhere [05:22] heh === desrt always hated being the sorry sap === Hobbsee looks around placcidly [05:22] me? agressive? [05:22] heh [05:23] "the amount of shopping you leave behind is directly proportional to your amount of embarrassment, when you come back, asking us for it" [05:23] it's odd that you have "shopping" as a noun to refer to the items [05:23] desrt: i take my agression from that out, on the relatively few people, who do that, and come and say "WHAT DO YOU MEAN MY MILK/MEAT/OTHER COLD STUFF ISNT IN HERE?!?!?!?!" === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:24] I wish I had that's what she said in here.... === mat [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:24] haha [05:24] Hobbsee: but lol I've forgotten stuff once or twice too [05:24] desrt: i believe it's a noun? [05:24] jdong: yeah, but there's no reason to be an absolute fool, or bitchy about it :P [05:24] Hobbsee: in my experience the staffers were generally very lenient about it === Hobbsee has some of the greatest phone conversatoins with people who've forgotten stuff [05:24] and it was an overwhelmingly positive experience [05:25] jdong: same here. on the other end. however, there are a small group of people who just blow your mind [05:25] we always kept a book [05:25] mostly because, contrary to what everyone here believes, I don't bitch out or act aggressive when I'm seeking help :) [05:25] desrt: so do we. it's the only way to do it [05:25] oh, those people will always exist [05:25] just a second ago there was one in #ubuntuforums.... [05:25] erm [05:25] OUTRAGED that he can't use "all 64 bits" of his processor [05:25] is there an "ubuntu irc" forum? [05:25] and have win32codecs at the same time [05:25] jdong; dude. that was me. [05:25] desrt: don't even get me started on the name of that channel [05:25] jdong; ease up. === Hobbsee likes the people who come in and say "hi, my mother left a couple of bags here this morning. do you have them?" "quite possibly, what's in them?" "oh, i'm not sure....cant you check?".... [05:26] desrt: lol [05:26] I really wanted to shove my double long pointer up his circular buffer. === desrt is somewhat annoyed at the 32/64 issue [05:27] ha! I'm using my CS lingo! [05:27] dude... [05:27] [05:28] Hobbsee: I guess you have answered first hand a question I've pondered several years [05:29] jdong: oh? [05:29] Hobbsee: "I wonder what this guy is like in person...." [05:29] jdong: oh? how so? [05:29] Hobbsee: you actually get to meet your interesting-folk in person [05:29] jdong: true [05:30] ...internet grocers... [05:30] heh [05:30] /join #food [05:30] d00ds.. i forg0t muh shoppin' [05:31] it was... in a bag! [05:31] ** Hobbsee sets mode [+b n00b!*@*] [05:31] ** Hobbsee kicks n00b [05:31] haha [05:31] I'm sure Hobbsee would never do that, and that she'll be all shy & quiet at UDS ;) [05:32] quite sure. just like elky [05:32] whee! I'm "ms daisy" now === jdong also searches up 'petarded' [05:32] are you being driven? [05:33] that's what.... must resist... === desrt is being confused and disoriented by jdong [05:33] Hobbsee, ajmitch; pls help. [05:33] !twss-#ubuntuforums [05:33] That's what she said! [05:34] desrt: not sure i can... [05:34] desrt: only sedatives can help him now [05:34] I'm convinced that if one thinks pervertedly enough, that response works for any statement. [05:34] ajmitch: those didn't work either :) [05:35] /join #ubuntu-sober === RemoteViewer [n=555@stan.physik.fu-berlin.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jtt [n=jtholmes@adsl-065-006-144-253.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === leninz [n=masteryo@adsl-072-148-175-245.sip.bct.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:59] can someone help me install wxJavaScript on ubuntu 6.06? [05:59] please === leninz [n=masteryo@adsl-072-148-175-245.sip.bct.bellsouth.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.149.2.83] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvolt1ge [n=highvolt@196.1.61.32] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=sebi@p57aef5ba.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml [n=jml@59.167.203.115] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stratus [n=stratus@201.53.55.52] has joined #ubuntu-devel === elkbuntu [n=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bdgraue [n=bdgraue@dynadsl-080-228-80-222.ewetel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:19] :h [07:19] Whoops. === dholbach [n=daniel@chello080109078174.4.15.univie.teleweb.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:21] good morning === torshido [i=torshido@gateway/tor/x-87423e84c6898be7] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:34] Hi dholbach [07:35] hey ion_ === Grape_Juice [n=pants@adsl-69-225-11-254.dsl.skt2ca.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-096-184.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === troy_s [n=aphorism@d206-116-6-170.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === macd [n=d@adsl-156-71-114.msy.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:18] Mithrandir: are the gates to gutsy open in full? === fabbione can't see in LP if it's still frozen or not [08:19] fabbione: no, still closed. [08:20] it's nowhere near noon yet [08:20] ok [08:20] noon? [08:20] i must have missed an email or two [08:21] u-d-a? [08:21] hmmm gcj is borked... [08:21] oh very last line [08:21] i did stop half way being all about gcj :P === pradeep [n=pradeep@unaffiliated/pradeep] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:24] Mithrandir: catch up! it's 4pm! :P [08:24] Hobbsee: does that mean I can go home for today? [08:25] Mithrandir: you mean you get to stop work at all? [08:25] if you like :P [08:27] Good morning [08:27] heya pitti! === Hobbsee hugs pitti [08:27] hiya Martin === pitti waves to Australia and Norway === willverine [n=willem@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:31] pitti: what about NZ? :) === pitti hugs ajmitch, too :) [08:31] ajmitch: hard to see you over the edge of the sea. [08:31] ajmitch: isnt that part of australia anyway? [08:31] Hobbsee: we had more sense than that [08:31] oh wait, that's where we send our criminals. deportation mark 2 === Spads [n=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54a67a05.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bimberi deports Hobbsee for that remark [08:44] :) === Hobbsee beats bimberi with a big stick [08:45] deport her to England [08:45] ah, the famous... [08:45] Nafallo: are you involved with ubuntu sweden? If not, can you tell me who is? === mdke can't find a launchpad group === tsmithe [n=toby@ubuntu/member/tsmithe] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:47] mdke: England! Gosh it wasn't that bad :P === mdke grabs Hobbsee's stick [08:48] mdke: you cant. that's mine === Hobbsee spears mdke with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and roasts him over the fire. [08:48] poor mdke === mdke hugs Mithrandir === bimberi grins again at the > I can't see how it's at fault. Your most likely issue is a sad [08:52] > battery, followed by an issue on the laptop's motherboard. [08:52] argn, that failed miserably === Monk-e [n=guido-fe@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bimberi grins again at the === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-64-131.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu pleads for somebody almighty to let two instances of k3d into {feisty,edgy}-proposed. [08:55] haha [08:57] Fujitsu: looking at it [08:57] Thanks Mithrandir. [08:58] Fujitsu: I see it's not on MOTU/SRU yet, but we now have the ability to copy binaries between pockets, so if you could reupload with the version number you want in -updates, that'd be good. [08:58] Mithrandir: I saw somebody say yesterday that it wasn't actually able to be used in the moment. [08:58] But I'll adjust and reupload. [08:59] hm, I'll see if I find that discussion === allee [n=ach@lapex-mcallee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:00] Fujitsu: I can't see anything in the discussion about it not working yet. [09:01] I remember something over the past couple of days, but I can't see it either. [09:02] hm, sorry, I missed Martin's "this was just a temporary test" [09:02] That's the one. [09:02] mea culpa; I'll go poke it through then [09:03] OK, so we can't actually do it yet? === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:04] I'm not sure, and it's no harm doing it the old way. [09:05] Good, I don't really want to manually minimise debdiffs again tonight. [09:06] I love build systems that generate huge diffs due to autoconf changes :) [09:08] both accepted now === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:08] Thanks. [09:08] Mithrandir: cprov removed the tool again, mentioning some bug that needed to be fixed before; its description was totally uncomprehensible to me, though (speaking in terms of internal LP concepts and classes) [09:08] hi [09:09] pitti: oh, the one about it copying random hppa binaries about? [09:09] Mithrandir: no, that wasn't an issue [09:09] ok === Zdra [n=zdra@120.216-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shiyee [n=Shiyee@cpe.atm4-0-76673.0x50a713fa.abnxx13.customer.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:18] morning all. I have a question about a package that isn't in the repo, but I (and the author) would like it to be. Problem is that the package in question (xvidcap) is currently compiled statically against fmpeg-svn8195 rather than the version in the repo.. === bish0p [n=bishop@modzer0.gi.alaska.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:18] ..the author cites "extra testing" "more thorough testing required" and "extra external dependancy " as reasons for statically linking, but I am not convinced these are show-stoppers [09:19] popey: you can cite "more pain for security updates" as a reason not to statically link [09:19] I would like to help him where I can to get it into the universe repo, but if we are going to be successfull does it make sense for me to push for not static linking? [09:19] true [09:21] I suspect that as a by-product of having it in the repo it will get quite a bit more testing, as it is I think people dont use xvidcap for screencasting (but use something like istanbul) simply because it's got a barrier to use - it's not in the repo [09:21] sabdfl: about your answer on the commercial repos yesterday - my question was more "how often does canonical plan to update these repositories, and for how many releases will they do it? ie, just LTS ones?" === florian [n=florian@p5088ECEE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:22] should I grab a mentor from the MOTU wiki pages and get some guidance directly? [09:22] Hello! [09:22] popey: or ask in #ubuntu-motu with anything you need help with [09:22] hi florian [09:22] ah, of course, thanks Hobbsee [09:22] Is there a development kernel 2.6.21 for ubuntu? [09:23] I tried to build one myselve, but it seems there are a lot of patches for the ubuntu kernel. [09:23] florian: not yet [09:23] The 2.6.20 doesn't work with my acpi [09:23] presumably we'll move straight to .22? or .23? [09:23] florian: it's on kernel.org... there is a development tree but it's not for general use [09:24] Hobbsee: AIUI, the plan is .22 [09:24] florian: it's lacking all the ubuntu stuff.. basically it's .21 vanilla in .deb package [09:24] fabbione: also a ubuntu version? I couldn't get it to work on feisty ... [09:24] florian: well then you will have to wait... [09:24] Mithrandir: great, okay [09:24] florian: it's brand new merge [09:24] fabbione: OK, I was looking for a ubuntu package ... [09:24] florian: and it'll go on gutsy, nto feisty [09:25] florian: no, there is no such thing yet [09:25] Where ist the right place to get a development kernel for ubuntu? [09:26] florian: in the gutsy repos. [09:26] when it exists [09:26] Hobbsee: OK, thanks ... [09:26] Hobbsee: gutsy repos exist. [09:26] hunger: yes, but the new kernel doesnt [09:26] which was what i was referring to :P [09:26] Hobbsee: They seem to contain (parts of) the toolchain only so far though. [09:26] i know [09:27] Hobbsee: Sorry to bother you then! [09:27] hunger: no problem :) [09:27] Yes that is allright. I just wanted to know where if available I could look for devolopment stuff. [09:28] So I will watch the gusy development ... [09:29] where NetworkManager configuration file is stored ? === carlos [n=carlos@canonical/launchpad/carlos] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:30] saispo: It doesn't have a config file, AFAIK. All configuration is stored per-user in gconf. [09:30] cjwatson: could you merge debhelper before the archive generally opens? === LongPointyStick [n=user@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.84.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === macd [n=d@adsl-156-71-114.msy.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:31] Fujitsu: ok, the speed rate for wireless config is in gconf too ? [09:32] saispo: NM doesn't force the speed rate, iirc. [09:32] I doubt NetworkManager does that sort of stuff. === kshcshbash [n=sanjay@CPE0013102d9e78-CM0013718c00aa.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:32] :/ [09:33] i have a 54mbits card and my french isp have a 54mbits router [09:33] but ubuntu speed is 11 mbits :/ [09:33] and i read in /etc/network/if* a variable with the speed rate [09:35] i'm looking for the di i386 etch 2.6 netinstaller kernel config file... [09:36] tarzeau: You're not going to find much/anything about Etch in here... === KVirker [n=kvirc@nifti-gw.unn.ru] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomaszD_ [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:37] Fujitsu: i search where this variable $IF_WIRELESS_RATE is set [09:38] Fujitsu: sorry wrong chan === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === reitblatt [n=mark@resnet-50-133.dorm.utexas.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === KVirker [n=kvirc@nifti-gw.unn.ru] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Time] === vciaglia [n=vciaglia@host1-19-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:49] pitti: please promote axis, wsdl4j, libcommons-discovery-java to main (already approved during the feisty cycle, now needed by java-gcj-compat) [09:51] Mithrandir: please accept python2.5 [09:52] doko: accepted. === bokey [n=unknown@unaffiliated/bokey] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:02] cjwatson: do you if libatk1.0-udeb is used somewhere? (debian dropped it and I'm not sure if I can merge it like that) [10:03] cjwatson: forget what I just said, they just create it differently === nightwish [i=gsn1@segfault.kernel-oops.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blackskad [n=blackska@vpnc073.ugent.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gicmo [n=gicmo@p5491e8a4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:09] Mithrandir: why is bug #106352 not applicable for gutsy? [10:09] Malone bug 106352 in lcd4linux "please sync lcd4linux_0.10.1~rc1-1 from debian/unstable" [Undecided,Rejected] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106352 [10:10] siretart: because it'll be done by the "auto"-sync. [10:10] bhale: dude! === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.9.233.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sky_walkie [i=czzhrd02@xdsl-563.lodz.dialog.net.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xq [n=xarquid@adsl-155-181-115.gsp.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pochu [n=emilio@131.Red-83-57-165.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@4-7.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mario [n=mario@83-131-22-110.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:17] cjwatson: hi :) [10:17] doko: at it [10:17] siretart, around? [10:18] pygi: . [10:18] doko: erledigt [10:18] siretart, I've talked build system to produce .4 libs ^_^ [10:19] which would mean .... guess what :) === mdz [n=mdz@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:20] pygi: you finally release the next version? [10:20] siretart, sure, very soon :) [10:20] doko: yeah, ok [10:21] siretart, with ABI not broken even === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:21] pitti: actually, what happened was that a newer rollout supported copy-package, but that rollout also broke the publisher so cprov flipped the /srv/launchpad.net/codelines/current symlink back [10:21] biggest thing to note in new version will be - we stopped using /dev/sg, on advisal of kernel people [10:21] pitti: however, that shouldn't stop you being able to run copy-package.py from the newer codeline even though it's not .../current [10:21] cjwatson: ah, so that was unrelated actually, I wasn't 100% sure about it [10:22] certainly people doing -proposed uploads now should use the version number they want in -updates [10:22] willverine: hi [10:22] right, I already had editmoin open when cprov called me back :) [10:23] cjwatson: here is where i am at the moment, i can do it from the terminal (ie load the template i want) and i can do it from perl [10:23] willverine: so what's the perl incantation you're using? [10:23] cjwatson: cause the perl bindings exist, but i have no idea whether python bindings exist or where i could find them [10:23] 'import debconf' [10:24] cjwatson: yup, but how do you load a template? === jgoss [n=josh@24.115.218.54.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:24] willverine: that question doesn't really make sense to me; could you back up a bit and explain what you're trying to do? [10:24] cjwatson: the only command that looks right is register [10:25] cjwatson: from the command line ill type in debconf-loadtemplate [PACKAGENAME] [TEMPLATEFILE] [10:25] no, what are you trying to achieve? [10:25] cjwatson: debconf-loadtemplate is a perl script [10:25] cjwatson: im trying to load a template [10:25] I'm familiar with debconf [10:25] willverine: that's a means to an end. What's the end? [10:26] it should be pretty rare to need to use debconf-loadtemplate manually [10:26] cjwatson: to be able to have debconf 'variables' available to set before the appropriate packages are installed [10:26] willverine: is this some kind of installation preseeding thing? [10:26] cjwatson: yes [10:27] willverine: why not use debconf-set-selections? === willverine looks [10:28] you *can* use the register command to do this (and debconf-set-selections does something a bit like that internally; the cdebconf implementation of debconf-set-selections actually does do exactly that) but I'd recommend using debconf-set-selections rather than doing it by steam === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:30] cjwatson: yes thats exactly what i want to do (the template route is a roundabout way to accomplish the same) === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:31] cjwatson: do you know what the python for debconf would look like to accomplish the same (ie which command to use) === StevenK [n=stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:33] something like: [10:33] db = debconf.Debconf() [10:33] try: [10:33] db.set(template, value) [10:33] except debconf.DebconfError: [10:33] db.register(template, template) [10:33] db.set(template, value) [10:33] db.fset(template, 'seen', 'true') [10:33] can't remember if the 'REGISTER template template' trick works in debconf - I think it does [10:34] better to have a real dummy template to register it against of course [10:34] then it would be db.register('name/of/dummy/template', new_question_name) [10:34] cjwatson: tx! :) will give it a try [10:34] the perl implementation of debconf-set-selections does it differently because it's using debconf internals to get the job done [10:35] the same functions aren't accessible to python bindings - they're client-only [10:35] hence my strong recommendation to use the external program [10:36] + * dh_installudev: Install udev rules directly into /etc/udev/rules.d/, not [10:36] + using the symlinks. MD has agreed that this is more appropriate for most [10:36] + packages. [10:36] wow, is the universe ending? [10:37] Dear God, Macro d'Itri is changing his opinion?! [10:37] Er, Marco [10:39] cjwatson: Say it ain't so! [10:39] StevenK: MD is not totally unreasonable.. === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-213-189-171-21.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:40] fabbione: To be completly honest, I've found him unreasonable enough to avoid using anything he maintains. [10:40] StevenK: i guess it's a matter of personal experience.. [10:41] I guess so. [10:44] FWIW I'm not making a comment on him personally, rather that I thought this was a particular issue he felt very strongly about (and I happened to disagree) === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kagou [n=Kagou@104.128.119-80.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:46] it'll also help reduce the delta we have to Debian, which is good. [10:49] yeah, most of the dh_installudev diff (though not all - different default priority and separator character) goes away [10:49] we have a fair number of packages which moves the file, too. === yondie [i=cb50140c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-d68538eb9487d349] has joined #ubuntu-devel === didymo [n=ashley@61.9.197.223] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:57] does feisty use compiz or beryl? [10:57] The former. [10:57] compiz is in main, beryl in universe [10:58] thanks === Keybuk [n=scott@wing-commander.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo_ [n=egon@p54a6788d.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === yondie [i=cb50140c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-d68538eb9487d349] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === neumann [n=BNeumann@cpe-066-026-060-110.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chaks [n=chaks@yoper/team/Chaks] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chaks [n=chaks@yoper/team/Chaks] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === TomB_ [n=tomb@host81-153-34-30.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dvdscomp [n=david@CPE-144-137-242-32.wa.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dvdscomp [n=david@CPE-144-137-242-32.wa.bigpond.net.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [11:20] mdke: pong. I am :-). [11:29] Mithrandir,doko: just testing debhelper now - will upload it when I'm satisfied [11:30] cjwatson: thanks [11:32] Mithrandir: once pitti's package promotions are in the archive, we could open gutsy from my point of view; pitti is preparing texlive to be synced/merged, and I'm not aware of any other major breakage [11:32] right, but texlive-bin will keep my busy for a while still; the poppler patch needs some updating [11:32] working on it ATM [11:33] doko: well, I can also temporarily drop it completely, thus building against xpdf, and fix it up afterwards [11:33] pitti: sounds like an option === vciaglia [n=vciaglia@host36-155-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:33] but I would really like to have this in the archive before we open the floodgates, since it affects build-deps of many packages [11:34] Mithrandir: who's in charge of semi-auto sync-source runs this cycle? you? [11:34] Mithrandir: ^^^ === pitti currently builds a version with an updated patch, let's see how that goes [11:38] doko: you introduced python-orca-brlapi - do you know how I can import it and try if it works? [11:39] dholbach: just splitted out to a new binary package [11:39] import orca.brl [11:39] cjwatson: I'll be happy to do them. [11:40] pitti: any idea about an ETA for it? === Knightlust [n=DaxSolom@203.87.200.214] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:40] Mithrandir: oh, I think I did it; it's at the debhelper stage [11:41] yay, it built [11:41] doko: thanks a lot - works nicely (i tried orca.brlapi and orca.brlmodule which didn't work) [11:41] Mithrandir: so, let me give this at least a short local test before I sync and upload everything === Spads [n=spacehob@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:42] Mithrandir: max one hour, I'd say until I have everything tested, uploaded and synced [11:42] Mithrandir: debhelper uploaded, will be in unapproved in a coupule of minutes [11:43] pitti: sure, take your time. [11:43] Mithrandir: please accept python-profiler, python-stdlib-extensions, python-defaults [11:44] doko: accepted. [11:46] pitti: hrm, forgot about to ask for the promotion of libmx4j-java === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:46] doko: done [11:50] Mithrandir: debhelper in unapproved, please accept [11:51] cjwatson: accepted. [11:51] cjwatson: I'm happy with people accepting their own toolchain-y packages until we just open fully. === Watersevenub [n=Watersev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:53] Mithrandir: alright, basic test works well [11:54] pitti: feel free to upload, then. === blackska1 [n=blackska@vpnd023.ugent.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:55] Mithrandir: nod === chaks [n=chaks@yoper/team/Chaks] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:55] Mithrandir: right, I'll do the uploads and syncs now and will care for the binary NEW stuff === chaks [n=chaks@yoper/team/Chaks] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [11:56] pitti: just remember that syncs don't go to unapproved, so don't sync anything which needs the new bits. [11:56] Mithrandir: I need to sync tex-common and texlive-{base,doc,extra,lang}, and upload texlive-bin [11:56] Mithrandir: and promote all those to main [11:56] pitti: sure. [11:56] I'll remove tetex later [11:57] carlos: around? [11:57] they do have some mutual build deps, but they should resolve themselves, I think [11:57] seb128: yes [11:57] carlos: https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+source/epiphany-extensions/+pots/epiphany-extensions-2.17 has an incorrect translations domain, do you know why? [11:57] carlos: the package template is correctly named -2.18 [11:58] hm, beta should really redirect people who don't have beta membership to the regular one. [11:58] carlos: https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+sources/epiphany-extensions/+translate rather === bluekuja [n=andy@ubuntu/member/bluekuja] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:58] Mithrandir: yes, there is a bug open about that [11:58] seb128: I guess I forget to fix that once the translation domain changed [11:58] I will fix it now [11:58] elmo: tetex-bin is in main but its source (texlive-base) is not. [11:58] erk [11:59] Mithrandir: ^ maybe I need a publisher run before the syncs to have my change-override things become active [11:59] carlos: thank you [11:59] seb128: done [11:59] pitti: you do. [11:59] carlos: https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/rosetta/+bug/110030 [11:59] Launchpad bug 110030 in rosetta "epiphany extensions textdomain is wrong" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [12:00] carlos: you can close it ;) === pitti hits it over the head with -f -F [12:00] Mithrandir: ^ that did the trick [12:00] oh, that too [12:01] seb128: it will require a language pack update to get it deployed [12:01] carlos: right [12:07] Mithrandir: texlive-bin should be in unapproved; it needs the new tex-common as a build-dep, so it will just go into dep-wait; the other packages that I sync have harmless build-deps (just debhelper and quilt) [12:08] pitti: feel free to accept them, then. [12:08] will do === pitti wants sync-source go faster [12:09] accepted === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #ubuntu-devel === timfrost [n=tim@125-238-156-109.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:18] Mithrandir, doko: texlive-bin uploaded, the other texlive stuff synced, all in accepted now; after the next publisher run in 45 minutes the buildds can have fun [12:18] coolie. [12:19] pitti: once it's built, you're happy with opening for general development? [12:19] Mithrandir: I am, yay :) [12:19] coolie [12:22] Mithrandir, doko: do we need to urgently care for gcc-4.2 in NEW? [12:23] pitti: hmm, isn't that already in the archive? [12:23] doko: source apparently is, but there is lots of binary NEW [12:24] pitti: well, get it in now, doesn't hurt [12:24] pitti: well, since you're volunteering.. :-) [12:24] alrighty [12:37] gcc-4.2 accepted [12:43] is there a way to make debootstrap run localized ? [12:44] somehow i always get non german output with it ... [12:44] or does it do that only in debian-installer mode ? === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:58] ogra: the localisation's handled by base-installer [12:58] Keybuk: ping? [12:59] ogra: debootstrap has no other i18n itself [12:59] cjwatson, ah, what i suspected ... === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@host-84-220-33-128.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:08] fabbione: was in a conf call, what's up? [01:08] Keybuk: i mailed distro-team.. nothing urgent.. there is a clash in the meeting schedule [01:08] Keybuk: since you usually arrange that, i thought you might want to know :) [01:09] Keybuk: fridge calendar has not been updated with our new meeting time and MOTU booked #u-meeting at the same time as us === mpytasz [n=dduck@81.219.176.52] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml [n=jml@ppp213-174.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:12] yeah, we can either claim eminent domain and kick them out to another channel [01:12] or move it to another channel ourselves [01:12] that's no problem [01:12] what time is distro team meeting? 2000 UTC? [01:13] Keybuk: yeah i suggest the latter and get the fridge fixed [01:13] our meeting times have been a standard schedule, it's the fridge fault for not having them [01:13] the fridge has been broken like that since DST hit, though. [01:13] ajmitch: alternates between 1500UTC and 2000UTC during "northern" summer, 1600UTC and 2100UTC winter === n3t0 [n=n3t0@200-207-143-185.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:14] yes, and people have been asked to tell them repeatedly === fabbione takes off for the afternoon. [01:15] cya later for the meeting === hjmf [n=hjmf@6.Red-88-25-28.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:29] An Ubuntu pun at ELER. [01:30] Keybuk: in fact I'm sure we told one of the fridge editors directly at one point and he said he would fix it [01:30] since DST hit [01:31] I've told them myself, I think henrik has too === pkl_ [n=phillip@lougher.demon.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gutera [n=gutera@201.22.151.1.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stu1 [n=stub@ppp-58.8.6.228.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arby [n=richard@shiny.york.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ScottK [n=ScottK@ubuntu/member/scottk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kagou [n=Kagou@81.185.185.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === EtienneG [n=etienne@ubuntu/member/EtienneG] has joined #ubuntu-devel === codingmaster [n=codingma@dslb-084-058-216-127.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:00] siretart, released, will package everything in the coming days [02:01] pygi: the packaging is already done, AFAIK. it just needs updating to your latest release, and uploading to gutsy. I'll handle that [02:01] siretart, ah, ok, if you say so === pygi thinks siretart is taking his SoC tasks :P [02:02] pygi: no. just normal ubuntu maintainer's tasks. [02:02] pygi: but say, do you intend to stay with soname 3 or 4? [02:02] siretart, 4 [02:02] k [02:02] 0.3.4 was soname 2, 0.3.0 soname 3, and 0.3.4 was 4 [02:02] 0.3.6 now is also 4 [02:06] siretart, did we also put that cdrskin when installed, is used instead of cdrecord/wodim? [02:06] (when the packages were done) [02:07] or shall I do it? (I don't mind, it's my task anyway :P) [02:09] pygi: hi [02:09] hi seb128 :) How is it going? [02:09] good, thank you [02:09] glad to hear :) [02:09] do you know what unit storage.cdrom.write_speeds uses? [02:10] where did you found that? [02:10] hal [02:10] well, it should use the first found AFAIK [02:11] nautilus-cd-burner uses that list / 150 to list writing speeds [02:11] plus hal is currently broken in the respect of detecting possible write_speeds [02:11] which gives weird speeds [02:11] there's a patch at bugzilla that was worked on by brasero team === ivoks [n=ivoks@wall2.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:11] pygi: do you have a bug number? [02:11] we introduced small scsi library in brasero to get-around hal and n-c-b (which will probably get dropped at due time) [02:12] seb128, not really, but lemme see if Luis is here [02:12] why don't you want to use it? [02:12] or you speak about the lib? [02:12] what's the point of using n-c-b? All it was used so far were some tiny things which we can drop [02:12] plus it's all hacky :-/ [02:13] bug #67034 [02:13] Launchpad bug 67034 in hal "available speeds are wrong" [Low,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/67034 [02:13] that's the bug, looks like hal has weird values [02:13] storage.cdrom.write_speeds = {'8467', '7056', '5645', '4234', '2822', '2117'} (string list) [02:13] I'm going to package brasero n the coming days, so you'll see how it works [02:14] yea, I know [02:14] it that an hal bug? or due to linux? or correct values? [02:14] seb128, hal bug [02:15] it can be fixed [02:15] cool [02:15] seb128, see this for example: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/brasero/+bug/80460 [02:15] Launchpad bug 80460 in brasero "Brasero speed burning doesn't work" [Undecided,Needs info] [02:15] also cause by hal [02:15] I reassigned to nautilus-cd-burner to hal, was not sure if that was the right component though [02:15] it is [02:15] cool, thank you [02:15] as I said, there's a patch, I hope they'll apply it soon === torshido [i=torshido@gateway/tor/session] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:16] now, why won't we use n-c-b in there ... === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:16] since brasero supports both cdrecord and libburn, and n-c-b is only cdrecord (+ is hacky + has a lot of problems) the new little scsi lib to handle the speed detection and some other things was introduced [02:17] when packaging however, I'll need to pull additional patch from svn for that lib since the released was a bit unstable :-/ [02:17] pygi: sorry, I was out of my room. I didn't get your last question regarding cdrskin [02:18] siretart, well, have we already done the trick in the package which makes cdrecord and wodim just symlinks to cdrskin? [02:19] pygi: I'd rather not touch the cdrecord yet at this point [02:19] siretart, oh? [02:19] pygi: is there an urgent need to do so? [02:20] I'd rather fix applications to use 'cdrskin' instead of 'cdrecord' [02:20] siretart, no urgent need. So you'd patch all applications? [02:20] if so, then sure, no problem [02:20] I can do so without any problem === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:21] pygi: I don't want to rush decisions [02:21] siretart, ah, ok, so we'll need to talk more about that [02:22] How about /etc/alternatives? [02:22] I think we discussed that once, and dismissed it [02:22] (me doesn't remember why tho) === _blondy_ [n=user@85.155.45.22] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:22] seb128, question. How often do you communicate with n-c-b upstream? [02:23] I send a distro bug on bugzilla every now and then and that's about it [02:24] <_blondy_> the best Spanish vidente visits his blog are very interesting rituals of love and many things but visitalo http://eltarotdesalem.blogspot.com/ [02:24] debian alternatives sounds like a good options, I'd like to hear opinions from that from the debian cdrkit maintainers === _blondy_ [n=user@85.155.45.22] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [02:25] seb128, ah, ok. They do not respond to my bug report, neither I got a response through mail on the questions sent :-/ === hggdh [n=hggdh@3.sub-70-196-114.myvzw.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:25] siretart, ah, ok. If you ever come to conclusion, please do inform me as I have to do something :) [02:26] sure [02:26] like updating packagin, testing, calling for testing, patching stuff, and things like that :) [02:27] seb128, are you willing to do a little test with n-c-b for me? [02:27] pygi: which one? [02:28] seb128, to try to install newest libburn/cdrskin, and make wodim/cdrecord (whatever you use) link to it [02:28] then n-c-b should use cdrskin, and if things are good, it should probably show correct speeds [02:28] where is the new cdrskin? === mode/#ubuntu-devel [+o cjwatson] by ChanServ === mode/#ubuntu-devel [+b *!user@85.155.45.22] by cjwatson [02:29] seb128, sec === mode/#ubuntu-devel [-o cjwatson] by cjwatson [02:29] seb128, http://libburnia-download.pykix.org/releases/libburn-0.3.6.tar.gz [02:32] pygi: k, I'll give it a try later [02:32] seb128, sure, thank you [02:36] pitti: texlive-base needs tex-common (>= 1.7) [02:37] tex-common | 1.7 | gutsy | source, all [02:37] yes? [02:38] doko: ah, it just built [02:38] Mithrandir: MANUALDEPWAIT needs a retry, correct? [02:38] texlive-base [02:39] texlive-base is BUILDING [02:40] most of the stuff shuold build really quickly, just -bin needs some 15 minutes or so === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:40] hmm, wasn't two minutes ago [02:40] Hobbsee! [02:40] hi Hobbsee :) [02:40] doko: let's crank together to make it faster :) [02:42] Mithrandir! [02:42] heya pygi === Hobbsee steps on Mithrandir's feet in greeting, in an attempt to warm up [02:43] Mithrandir: please accept python2.5, fixing the b-d on sparc and powerpc [02:43] oh no, not more of that ubuntu metadistribution crack [02:48] great, -extra, -doc, -base, and -lang have built [02:49] Hobbsee: what, it's only 30C now? [02:49] thom: here? no. [02:49] it was about 20C here today [02:49] is colder now, iirc [02:49] It's 15C now [02:50] ah, there you go [02:50] 25.6C [02:50] And I'm cold too, for the record. [02:50] 26.1C inside [02:50] Nafallo: Swap you, please? :-) [02:51] StevenK: baah. come visit me instead. I have a comfortable couch :-) === JussiP [n=jpakkane@vipunen.hut.fi] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [02:51] Seems a little short notice. :-) [02:51] ;-) [02:52] well. I don't think the weather will be bad in the coming week or so ;-) [02:52] should be enough time ;-) [02:52] .au -> .se is quite far, too [02:52] yea. like 24h flight or something :-P [02:53] might be more. [02:53] C (coulomb) = A s, btw. ;-) [02:53] It was 25h or so when I went to .fi [02:54] I wonder what route they would take... probably via Heathrow :-) [02:54] .fi I went Singapore, Bangkok, and then Helsinki [02:54] they peer with Arlanda. and then ~1h train from Arlanda. [02:56] or just sydney, malaysia, amsterdam, stockholm [02:56] that almost sounds like my IPv6 routes to .id ;-) [02:56] This is all academic anyway. I'm not flying to .se, even due to Nafallo's offer. :-) [02:57] nafallo: ~1h train? Quite a bit of latency. :-) [02:57] StevenK: fly to seville instead. [02:57] StevenK: :-) [02:57] Hobbsee: put him in your luggage [02:57] If I could afford it, I would. [02:57] ion_: yea. but I have no place for a DC10 on my roof ;-) [02:57] Mithrandir: A little cramped... [02:57] Mithrandir: if he'd fit... [02:57] Besides, you only get 20kg allowance, and I'm a little more than that. [02:57] Hobbsee: he's tall, but not that heavy. [02:58] hrm... [02:58] oh. my routing to .id was a bit different btw :-) [02:58] StevenK: she'll just cut off unimportant bits. [02:58] Mithrandir: OUCH! === Hobbsee ponders which bits are marked as unimportant... [02:58] Hobbsee: Think very carefully. :-P [02:58] hrm... [02:59] http://home.nafallo.info/tracepath/2007-04-26.txt [02:59] :-) === SniperBeamer [n=sniperb@HSI-KBW-085-216-015-190.hsi.kabelbw.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@153.201-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:01] Mithrandir: I'm sure Canonical could organise a crate for me to fly in at least. :-P === Hobbsee ponders upgrading to gutsy... === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:06] Hobbsee: Give it a change to actually have some changes besides the toolchain? :-) === statik [n=emurphy@canonical/launchpad/statik] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:07] Mithrandir: hmm, texlive-bin FTBFSed on ia64 (only) with cannot find the library `/usr/lib/libcairo.la' [03:08] Mithrandir: how much do we care about ia64 being in sync at that time? [03:08] Are we on an eliminate .la files warpath? [03:09] If so, it's really hard to go back and fix one arch if the chain gets too deep. [03:09] I'm not sure, it built fine on the other arches [03:10] wow, where does that xorgconf.py in restricted-manager come from ? thats cool [03:10] (The official answer, though, is "we don't care about ia64 unless the fix is obvious and doesn't eat too much of your time") [03:10] ogra: from kdeguidance [03:10] ah [03:10] ogra: I should have mentioned it in copyright [03:11] i wonder if i could speed up ltsp with it ... [03:11] ogra: slightly adapted to match our Xorg.conf spacing style [03:11] instead of presseding half the word just modifying the default generated file ... [03:11] ogra: perhaps; I gave up on relying on xserver-xorg debconf, it broke too much stuff [03:11] *world [03:11] pitti: interesting, didn't know that. presumably separate from mvo, and glatzor's use of it? [03:12] infinity: GNOME packages are in good way to kick them [03:12] generating xorg.conf is one of the biggest slowdown factors i have aside from udev/kernel module loading in ltsp [03:12] Riddell: oh, I might have mixed that up with displayconfig-gtk, which in turn stole it from kdeguidance [03:12] heh [03:12] yay opensource === pitti wants python-xorg-config :) [03:12] infinity: they use /usr/share/gnome-pkg-tools/1/rules/clean-la.mk which empty the dependency_libs, next round is to stop distributing them ;) === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:18] hey rodarvus [03:18] hey jsgotangco :) [03:18] hi rodarvus [03:18] hi spam [03:18] rodarvus! long time no see [03:18] hi Hobbsee, pitti! [03:18] pitti, indeed :) [03:18] Hobbsee: nospam! [03:18] been a while since I've been able to join #ubuntu-devel [03:19] jsgotangco: no spam? but spam is fun! [03:19] ogra, pitti: please do not copy it (again), for gusty we get a package something from kdeguidance (at least that is planed) [03:19] hey rodarvus! [03:19] (and somehow contribute something to ubuntu) [03:19] mvo_! [03:19] mvo_: that would be cool; I'll move my spacing fixes there [03:20] mvo_, i just discovered it, i'm not sure yet it helps me in ltsp ... since dpkg-reconfigure has to run in any case ... [03:20] i'd just get rid of one debconf-communicate call ... [03:20] Riddell: we use the code from kdeguidance in displayconfig-gtk, but we talked with upstream aobut it and there is a plan to unify it all again and move back into a common binary-package === Gman is now known as GmanaFK [03:24] mvo_: yes, saw the e-mails [03:25] infinity: we hate .la files, yes. [03:25] pitti: does texlive-bin generate any libraries? [03:26] Mithrandir: no, it doesn't [03:26] then we don't care. [03:26] hm, I wonder why it doesn't build libkpathsea === adamant1988 [n=adam@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:29] Mithrandir: I made a note about this; eventually libkpathsea should be built from texlive-bin, so that we can remove tetex-bin, but right now it doesn't [03:29] ok [03:30] Mithrandir: hm, it might mean that a lot of packages will FTBFS on ia64 due to missing tex build deps [03:31] I'll look into that right after finishing this php USN stuff === xxxxx1 [n=will@44125.static.fln.virtua.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:32] hi all. [03:32] someone here have hardware with tpm support? [03:32] yeah [03:33] pitti: cheers. [03:33] it's switched off though :) [03:33] i'm working on tpm packages for gutsy [03:33] seb128: why does libcairo include .la files? [03:33] if someone have suggestions i'll appreciate [03:33] for now i'm working on opencryptoki to enable tpm support on firefox [03:34] Mithrandir: because of libtool ship them if you don't tell it to not? [03:35] Mithrandir: I can make libcairo use clean-la.mk if you want ;) === jtt [n=jtholmes@adsl-065-006-144-253.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sn0 [n=sno_@cpc3-blfs6-0-0-cust294.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === paddycarey [n=paddy@cpc1-blfs4-0-0-cust182.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:42] seb128: we'd want to clean them out in the right order, but yes, I think we'd want that. [03:44] Mithrandir: clean-la.mk empty the dependency_libs so when other packages are rebuild they drop the depends on it and later we can stop shipping it [03:44] oh, since when the scroll wheel works in terminal apps, such as vim? [03:44] so there is no "right order" [03:44] seb128: go for it, then. [03:44] pitti: I think that's a vte change done just before feisty [03:44] cool [03:45] meh, I removed the cairo .la file locally, and texlive-bin builds fine [03:45] pitti: grep libcairo.la /usr/lib/*.la on the box getting the bug [03:45] seb128: the box -> buildd [03:45] seb128: iz ia64 box. Somehow I doubt pitti has it at home. [03:46] pitti: ssh to an ia64 chroot then if there is one [03:46] that's likely not specific to the buildd but to the arch [03:46] or just download the .deb from the archive and extract it. :-P [03:46] what deb? [03:46] every depends shipping a .la? ;) [03:46] the libcairoN_ia64.deb ? [03:47] it must be an rdepends of libcairo, not libcairo itself, right? [03:47] ah, right [03:47] ah, point. [03:47] so a rdepends of libcairo-dev shipping .la files. [03:47] can't be that many [03:47] could be indirect though [03:47] no [03:48] a Build-Depends of texlive-bin [03:48] or anything installed while building it [03:48] that's not only the libcairo-dev rdepends === hggdh [n=hggdh@95.sub-70-196-114.myvzw.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:48] point. [03:49] Not really much of a point. [03:49] that's likely something with a .la mentionning libcairo.la and no Depends on libcairo-dev [03:49] Anything that isn't a libcairo rdep but mentione cairo's .la is VERY broken. [03:49] the easier is really to grep libcairo.la /usr/lib/*.la === torshido [i=torshido@gateway/tor/session] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:49] infinity: well, we are trying to figure what is broken [03:49] (But yes, grepping the chroot is the winner here.. Too bad all the ia64 boxes I have access to just fell off the planet) === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:50] seb128: no DC ATM, so no porter's box :/ [03:50] pitti: that doesn't make the job easy :/ === pitti looks towards London and sings Pink Floyd's "Is anybody out there?" === xxxxx1 [n=will@44125.static.fln.virtua.com.br] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [03:52] pitti: Didn't anyone tell you? [03:52] Treenaks: Klingons? Vogons? a bypass? [03:53] pitti: The Russians? [03:53] err, where did the DC go? [03:54] someone stepped on the wire? the charlaidy pulling out the server chord while vacuuming? [03:54] ah well [03:54] 15:42 < Ng> there is a general issue at the moment with the data centre. sysadmin strike ninjas are en route === jsgotangco sits in a corner [03:54] Keybuk: ^^ [03:54] "general issue"? :) === Keybuk looks it up in his sysadmin excuses book [03:54] ah yes [03:54] "oops" [03:54] lol [03:55] "someone broke the fibre" [03:55] Backhoe incident? [03:55] Nuclear strike? Does anyone in London feel warm? Have you lost any hair in the last 20 minutes? === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:56] infinity: if someone managed to backhoe L3 they're using a large nuclear weapon [03:56] huh, jinx :-) === Keybuk looks for mushroom clouds in the south [03:57] heh [03:58] I remember that "routeing failure" translated to "Engineer rebooted the wrong router" === bddebian [n=bdefrees@63.81.56.182] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@mail.legalaid.mb.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-185-40.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:00] Heya [04:01] Hello!! [04:02] hello === hjmf [n=hjmf@6.Red-88-25-28.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:03] Heya jussi01, Keybuk === Arby [n=richard@shiny.york.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:03] the Motu's directed me this way, so Ill pop up my question and hope someone answers. So, I have a program Im packaging, and it has 2 parts. 1. the front end, gui part, and 2. the binary backend (1 file) can I include this binary file in the source code for multiverse? === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:04] jussi01: unable to provide an answer. What is the licence for that binary part, and what is the licence for the source code? === asac [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:04] the licence for the source part is the gpl, binary is freeware === Pici [n=pcmacman@ool-4355be00.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:05] Does the GPL source bit include an exception for linking against the nonfree bit? [04:05] (Or do they not link?) [04:05] "freeware" ? [04:06] Hmmm, Im not exactly sure [04:06] Keybuk: has London gone down do you know? [04:06] jono: ninjas en route. [04:06] jono: yes, Cambridge is now the capital of England [04:06] bwahahaha [04:06] lol [04:06] hehe [04:06] haha [04:06] quick, lets build a tube system in Cambridge :) [04:06] jono: yes, see BBC News; terrorist attack [04:07] (note: joke) [04:07] http://lianwei3.googlepages.com/home2 is the program === Robot101 has been arguing with Nokia to not schedule a week long code-camp directly overlapping the Camridge real ale festival [04:07] Keybuk: haha, rough [04:07] s/mr/mbr/ [04:07] jees, everything seems to be gone [04:07] yes [04:07] looks like Ng tripped over a cable and pulled a plug out [04:08] "when in doubt, blame Ng" [04:08] snares# ifdown eth0 # oh bugger [04:09] I think they just wanted to know the reaction :-) [04:09] cjwatson: at least Ng is in London when he does that [04:09] "...Mark, can I borrow your yet?" [04:09] Keybuk: who was on lug radio talking about how these why things dont happen :) [04:09] hehe === tkamppeter [n=till@bl7-126-42.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:Keybuk] : Development of Ubuntu (not support, even with gutsy; not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper/edgy/feisty | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs === Pici [n=pcmacman@ool-4355be00.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johan [n=jdahlin@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:14] mc44: must listen to Lug Radio sometime === thesaltydog [n=fabio@ubuntu/member/thesaltydog] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:15] Keybuk: the archive's still frozen [04:15] unless somebody unfroze it while the DC was down :P === pkl_ [n=phillip@lougher.demon.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:16] err, I didn't actually mean to remove that [04:16] oops :) === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:Keybuk] : Development of Ubuntu (not support, even with gutsy; not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper/edgy/feisty | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Entire archive frozen for gutsy opening === bluekuja [n=andy@ubuntu/member/bluekuja] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:16] mc44: any particularly good episodes to listen to? there seems to be a lot [04:17] Keybuk: well the latest one has some expert advice from a sysadmin :) [04:17] Keybuk: start with s1e1 and continue listening until jono dies a terrible death :-) [04:18] Nafallo: I tried that last time, and got to something called the "Marketing Special" [04:18] like not trip on fibre? [04:18] which nobody warned me about [04:18] seriously, that thing is a health risk! [04:18] and I've been too scared to listen to any more [04:18] Keybuk: :-) [04:18] Keybuk: not even the one with you on? :p [04:19] mc44: listening to that would be just strange [04:21] plus I'll always know that the first version of one of the segments was so much better than the version that got to the recording [04:21] (which was after jono learned how to switch microphones on) [04:21] Keybuk: oi :P [04:22] ROTFL! === mdz [n=mdz@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:22] jono: you know that Pia made me sing the song when she picked us up from Sydney airport? :p [04:22] ooh, yttrium is back online [04:22] Keybuk: haha [04:23] brb === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:23] mc44: I came to the conclusion that LugRadio is better to participate in than listen to :p === Nafallo can hear the servers say "We're BACK!" in real LR-style :-) [04:23] jono: wb :-) [04:23] Nafallo: yttrium is the office [04:24] Keybuk: if you can survive jono's house, presumably [04:24] Keybuk: archive isn't? :-) [04:24] Keybuk: still seems down here [04:24] Nafallo: works here [04:24] but the office is point-to-pointed to l3, dunnit? [04:24] The authenticity of host 'chinstrap.ubuntu.com (82.211.81.135)' can't be established. [04:24] wtf? [04:24] seb128: same here :-) [04:24] heh, that reminds me of something that never reached the Quotes page [04:25] "fuck that's fast, do you have a direct link to the data centre or something?" ... "yes" === Spads [n=spacehob@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:25] ah, back now [04:25] heh [04:25] We are still working to bring things back on-line === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm235.epsilon48.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:26] Keybuk: "direct link? No, it goes through an FC switch." [04:26] :-P === pkl_ [n=phillip@lougher.demon.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === static_ [n=emurphy@189.66.188.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:27] Spads: its the irc server up yet? [04:27] Mithrandir: it actually goes over the BT cloud [04:27] Spads: seems down [04:27] jono: still down. [04:27] Spads: right [04:27] Keybuk: heh, was that me? [04:28] jono: killed it. bad jono. [04:28] Hobbsee: heh === Mithrandir decides it's afternoon and takes off for dinner. [04:29] cjwatson: might have been, I forget who it actually was [04:29] Spads: power failure? [04:29] Keybuk: Yes. === thesaltydog [n=fabio@ubuntu/member/thesaltydog] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] [04:29] isn't that supposed to be infinitely improbable of happening? :p [04:29] Keybuk: thats "tripped over plug" right? === Yvonne [n=01101110@pdpc/supporter/active/Yvonne] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:31] intrestingly the mailservers seem to deliver stuff [04:32] i got ML mails all the time [04:32] ogra: It's all coming back slowly. [04:33] yay IRC! === mbiebl [n=michael@e180069058.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shiyee [n=Shiyee@0x535854b3.abnxx4.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:40] pitti: I got a large pile of binary reject notifications for the security uploads for Bug #107628. Is there anything I need to do to get that fixed? [04:40] Launchpad bug 107628 in lighttpd "DoS-vulnerability in lighttpd" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107628 [04:40] ScottK: hm, weird; I just checked the source pacakges, are the binaries in the archive? [04:41] pitti: All but AMD64 say need building. [04:41] AMD64 I got an accept for. [04:42] indeed i only see amd64 binaries [04:42] ScottK: hm, that's weird, I had changes files for all architectures [04:43] pitti: And I know it builds on at least i386 because that's what I did my test builds on in pbuilder.... [04:44] ScottK: right, jackass also has all the .debs in the archive [04:44] they just failed on the way to launchpad and thus archive.u.c. === glatzor [n=sebi@p57aef5ba.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr_ [n=j@blk-224-156-151.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:47] ScottK: crap, this also affected the rdesktop USN [04:48] pitti: Sounds like you have your hands full for a bit. Good luck. [04:48] ScottK: thanks for pointing out, investigating [04:48] ScottK: can you please put that mail online? === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:49] ScottK: or forward it to martin.pitt@ubuntu.com? [04:50] pitti: The rejection messages I got? [04:50] yes, please [04:50] I'll forward them to you. === PhilK [n=PhilK@mail.pressure-pro.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:52] ScottK: got it, thanks [04:53] pitti: I've sent them all now in two e-mails. === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:53] ScottK: they all seem to be similar === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] [04:54] Yes. Identical except for which arch or version (Dapper/Edgy) to which they refer. === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:00] pitti: One other thing that may or may not be relevant. There was also an upload to dapper-proposed to make sure that the version there had the security fix too. Fujitsu did the upload and it seems to have vanished entirely. [05:01] lighttpd | 1.4.11-3ubuntu3.0.1 | dapper-security/universe | source, amd64 [05:01] lighttpd | 1.4.11-3ubuntu3.1 | dapper-proposed/universe | source, amd64, hppa, i386, ia64, powerpc, sparc [05:01] ScottK: it's still there [05:01] OK. [05:03] Odd as it was listed yesterday on my LP package maintenance report and it's not there now: https://launchpad.net/~kitterman/+packages - strange. [05:04] I guess that's an artifact of having another Dapper upload to security that came after. [05:04] likely [05:05] pitti: Thanks, just wanted to make sure you had any relevant facts. Going back to lurking now... [05:05] ScottK: thanks for your help! [05:06] pitti: Just noticed - The version that was uploaded yesterday was 3ubuntu3.2. 3.1 has been there since November. So it is in fact missing. [05:06] Still on my first cup of coffee... [05:06] ScottK: right, that one is still in unapproved [05:07] 192538 | S- | lighttpd | 1.4.11-3ubuntu3.2 | 36 hours [05:07] OK. Who 'approves'? Is the a MOTU SRU function? [05:07] I do usually [05:07] OK. [05:08] every few days === el_ericho [n=erich@189.129.42.233] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:08] I am on regular archive admin shift on Fridays, plus when someone pokes me about something urgent [05:08] Sounds good then. I don't think that's urgent as it's not just about to get out of proposed. Thanks again. [05:11] Hi everybody, i'm trying to fix a bug, but i need some python orientation. [05:12] This is the bug #109799 [05:12] Launchpad bug 109799 in bittornado "Bittornado preferences diaog doesn't save the new preferences" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/109799 === stratus [n=stratus@201.53.55.52] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:17] i'm analyzing the code and i found that in the function saveConfigs on ConfigReader.py, the new values of self.config aren't updated [05:17] i'm not a python programmer, actually i'm a not a programmer, but i think that this could be a python problem. [05:18] I don't find differences between the edgy package and the feisty package and the original version. === mpytasz [n=dduck@staticline824.toya.net.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D848E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpytasz [n=dduck@staticline824.toya.net.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@153.5.60.234] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@host-84-220-33-128.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomaszD [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has joined #ubuntu-devel === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gerrath [n=Gerrath_@unaffiliated/gerrath] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lfittl [n=lfittl@212.41.228.52] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stratus [n=stratus@201.53.55.52] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stdin [n=tez@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-22-104.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pkl_ [n=phillip@lougher.demon.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:09] mmn. Feisty+1 will run off 2.6.21 or better ... and 2.6.21 has dynticks, which allows for greater power savings. [06:10] Someone remind me to do some battery life tests on my laptop when that kernel goes into the dev branch. [06:11] bluefoxicy: i.e. later today hopefully. you might remember that yourself then ;-) [06:11] nafallo: Gutsy is open already? [06:11] bluefoxicy: I run it :-) [06:12] it's still frozen for sorting out the toolchain, but nearly open [06:12] but no. freezed for the toolchain :-) [06:12] frozen. thanks :-9 [06:12] :-9 === pkl_ [n=phillip@lougher.demon.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:12] GAAH [06:12] :-) === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C1A48C.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:13] bluefoxicy: it will run 2.6.22, 99.99% (BenC words) :) [06:14] pochu: 2.6.21-1 seems to be todays upload though ;-) [06:14] cool :) [06:14] Nafallo: of course I mean for final, there's no 2.6.22 yet in kernel.org ;) [06:14] No, today's upload with be 2.6.22-1 (2.6.21 with SUBLEVEL override to save me some work later on) [06:15] :-) [06:15] that'll be confusing === pochu is already confused :) [06:15] cjwatson: I did the 2.6.19/2.6.20 thing for feisty, and it was even more confusing === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:16] basically, it's based on linux-2.6.git which is the 2.6.22 devel tree right now :) [06:16] so 21 will be 22. that should be easy to remember :-P [06:16] BenC: 23 will not be for feisty then? :-) [06:17] "We're so bleeding edgy, we release new kernels even before Linus!" [06:17] haha [06:17] err, edge === cjwatson [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:19] BenC: are you enabling dynticks, or is that totally new infrastructure that can't be disabled :) [06:19] BenC: have you heard some problem with bcm43xx and bitrate under feisty ? [06:19] saispo: bcm43xx needs FIRMWARE ;( [06:19] yes :/ [06:19] bluefoxicy: NO_HZ is enabled for generic kernels [06:20] BenC: lovely. [06:20] saispo: hell, I've experienced it :) [06:20] :) [06:20] saispo: the open source driver, due to being a reverse engineering project still in its infancy, has issues still [06:21] BenC: i have a 11 mbit/s bitrate on my desktop and on my laptop i have 54 mbit/s [06:21] one of them being trouble with distance to the AP (I couldn't move more than 20 feet from my AP) [06:21] saispo: connection quality may affect that [06:21] BenC: yep, but want to try, i remember under edgy, no problem... [06:21] and under Mandriva, no problem [06:21] saispo: Ah, we forced it to 11Mbit by default because I don't think 54 works at all [06:22] BenC: ok [06:22] how can i bypass this ? [06:22] in fact, on my ppc, it wouldn't do over 2mbit :/ [06:22] :/ [06:22] some open source firmware for that thing would get me hot [06:22] Firmware is an amazing thing. [06:22] saispo: iwconfig eth1 rate 54M [06:22] saispo: easy! plug a wire in :-) [06:22] better security aswell ;-) [06:22] Nafallo: yes, i really think about it :) [06:23] You can fine-tune the performance of the hardware itself, possibly even take a shitty device and make it a top-performing device. [06:23] Nintendo 64 [06:23] BenC: i will try some test at 54 mbits, i will tell you if it's stable or not :) [06:23] One company rewrote the CPU microcode for the graphics controller, got it to output 3 times the polygons per second and everything looked infinitely better (nintendo banned them from using the modification), the original code was horribly profiled :) [06:25] BenC: it's possible to fix it permanently N [06:25] ? === vciaglia [n=vciaglia@host73-195-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@211.154.174.45] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === grayman_ [n=grayman@89.0.181.179.dynamic.barak-online.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === el_ericho [n=erich@189.129.42.233] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === stratus [n=stratus@201.53.55.52] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lmveloso [n=lmveloso@201-3-85-46.mganm7011.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jvw [i=jeroen@220pc220.sshunet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mario [n=mario@83-131-65-235.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thesaltydog [n=fabio@ubuntu/member/thesaltydog] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AlinuxOS [n=vsichi@host47-174-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lmveloso_ [n=lmveloso@201-3-85-46.mganm7011.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zitrone [n=ananas@xdslae038.osnanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zitrone [n=ananas@xdslae038.osnanet.de] has left #ubuntu-devel ["bye"] === yondie [i=cb50140c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-6930a4526e9c7d6c] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:19] hello guys just wondering is this there something wrong with my tee usage in this if...then...fi scripts? [07:19] http://rafb.net/p/v7lNKp52.html === Zdra_ [n=zdra@120.216-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:22] tee writes to stdout.. and to a file you give it [07:22] redirecting like that twice won't work [07:22] afaik [07:23] Treenaks: if i type the command at line 5 in the terminal just like dat,, it works !! [07:23] Treenaks: it didn`t work when i use in if.then.fi [07:23] ah [07:23] /bin/sh vs /bin/bash [07:23] you must be using a bash extension [07:23] also, please read the topic: this channel isn't about application development [07:23] i`m sorry [07:24] np, just pointing out ;) [07:27] pitti: Looks like the lighttpd security updates made it out. Thanks. [07:28] indeed, >(...) is a bash extension === ScottLij [n=ScottLij@66-227-218-192.dhcp.klmz.mi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:30] cjwatson: any idea how to fixed it? i know it's offtopic === vciaglia [n=vciaglia@host73-195-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:32] there should be channels around more appropriate for shell scripting questions [07:32] wokey === yondie [i=cb50140c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-6930a4526e9c7d6c] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@pD950A286.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lbm [n=lbm@0x555373ab.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.53.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr [n=j@JBrannlund.MathStat.Dal.Ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arby [n=richard@82.152.250.139] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:51] heno: https://beta.launchpad.net/~isotesting :) [07:52] pochu: lovely :) [07:52] cool :) [07:52] the small one still needs some work, but I think they're pretty good [07:58] looks nice :) /me joins [07:59] sn0: :) === fdoving [n=frode@edge.lnix.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jcole [i=jcole@nat/hp/x-490e94157fabeddb] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:04] hey dudes === lmveloso [n=lmveloso@201-3-85-46.mganm7011.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:05] what's the best way to integrate a system configure shell script into the boot process (/etc/init.d) that starts before gdm and the other services with upstart? [08:09] same as with sysvinit === daq4th [n=darkness@netstation-004.cafe.zSeries.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === beuno_ [n=martin@68-155-114-200.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stdin [n=tez@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ahuman [n=oem@ool-43557e7c.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === micahcowan [n=micahcow@ubuntu/member/micahcowan] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TerminX [i=5e71f001@adsl-68-123-27-94.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ahuman [n=oem@ool-43557e7c.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ahuman [n=oem@ool-43557e7c.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arador [n=dcg@150.pool80-103-0.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stratus [n=stratus@201.53.55.52] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stratus [n=stratus@201.53.55.52] has joined #ubuntu-devel === soothsay [n=soothsay@bas5-montreal02-1096553340.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sn0 [n=sno_@cpc3-blfs6-0-0-cust294.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@4-57.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === psusi [i=hidden-u@iriserv.iradimed.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dcg [n=dcg@147.pool80-103-3.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel === grayman_ [n=grayman@89.0.181.179.dynamic.barak-online.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:Mithrandir] : Development of Ubuntu (not support, even with gutsy; not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper/edgy/feisty | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Gutsy open, go wild! === thekorn [n=thekorn@a81-14-156-97.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Watersevenub [n=Watersev@242-41.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kmos [n=gothicx@unaffiliated/kmos] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [n=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thesaltydog [n=fabio@ubuntu/member/thesaltydog] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thesaltydog [n=fabio@ubuntu/member/thesaltydog] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] [08:45] Anybody know how to set up debarchiver on Ubuntu? === macd [n=d@adsl-156-71-114.msy.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdke_ [n=matt@212-139-77-101.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdke__ [n=matt@80-41-111-86.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lmveloso [n=lmveloso@201-3-85-46.mganm7011.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@4-57.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tkamppeter [n=till@bl8-121-37.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mithrandir ponders running the first "auto" sync run for this cycle. === nightwish [i=gsn1@segfault.kernel-oops.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock [n=mantha@lambda.chem.unr.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:08] Mithrandir: why wait :) [09:08] Mithrandir: bring it on! :-D [09:08] Mithrandir: or wait until the first kernel has started building maybe? :-) === \sh starts on a gui for bughelper === lmveloso [n=lmveloso@201-3-85-46.mganm7011.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-124-023.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Goliath23 [n=david@dslb-084-058-006-130.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:16] hi. it seems that 64bit ubuntu has a problem with LD_PRELOADing libaoss. is that a known bug? (if it' [09:16] s a bug) === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:17] no matter what program I try to run with oass I get: ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/lib/libaoss.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. === GmanaFK is now known as Gman === Adri2000 wonders why we don't have git-buildpackage - has been in debian since sept 2006, and I don't see it in sync-blacklist.txt [09:24] do NEW packages get synced automatically? [09:24] yes [09:24] ok :) [09:26] vvvvvvcccccccccccccccccccccccCccccccccccnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% [09:26] very nice. [09:26] uh, sladen [09:27] I think we'll have to kill his cat === ssam [n=ssam@87.127.117.246] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:27] oops, that was an Debian KDE ex-Maintainer's cat [09:28] maybe it'll be an ex-cat soon, though nchip might be disappointed [09:30] sladen, so he moved to be a debian gnome maintainer now ? [09:33] pochu: no [09:33] Adri2000: ^ === \sh heard rumours that ogra will switch to be a kedubuntu developer ,-) [09:33] lol [09:33] pochu: nothing is synced automatically [09:33] who is spreading that ? :) [09:34] Keybuk: don't we automatically sync from debian at the beggining of the cycle? [09:34] pochu: eh, Keybuk syncs the NEW packages I believe :) [09:34] <\sh> ogra, hehe...how's live, man :) btw..you are invited to karlsruhe, when I moved places with my GF in may :) [09:34] but I guess he syncs them all === vciaglia [n=vciaglia@host73-195-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:35] nope [09:35] new in Debian are done individually [09:35] not en-masse [09:35] Keybuk: and 'the rest' of Debian? [09:35] \sh, busy as hell, if i dont sint on the lappie i'm renovating this huge house or care for the garden ... [09:35] Treenaks: they're done mostly automatically by hand [09:36] \sh, i'll happily drop by if i'm in karlsruhe any time soon ... feel free to ping if you are in kassel :) [09:36] <\sh> ogra, oh I think I'll have a trip to kassel after linuxtag then :) [09:36] ie. the automatic sync everything newer in Debian and unmodified in Ubuntu is run by hand every day by some poor sod [09:36] (previously me :p) [09:37] Keybuk: what kind of vetting do you do on NEW? [09:37] elmo: much [09:37] Keybuk: I use to pull it all in blind \o/ [09:37] \sh, this year is documenta year ... lots of arts stuff going on here :) [09:37] http://documenta.de/ [09:37] I pretty much treat new-from Debian as I would stuff in NEW, and looked at them individually [09:37] Mithrandir: there's no PPC port for xubuntu feisty final, though you did one for the beta. Could you please make it? [09:38] pochu: feisty has been released already [09:38] Keybuk: why bother? [09:38] <\sh> ogra, I sponsor the beer :) greetings to Suse btw... [09:38] Keybuk: I know, but you still can run the publisher, or whatever you do, right? :) [09:39] elmo: because motu uploaded stuff by themselves under different names, or they broke our patches, or they were part of transitions that needed care, etc. [09:39] pochu: then it wouldn't be necessarily the same as the candidate at the time [09:39] Keybuk: *shrug* k (it's your time) [09:39] elmo: actually, I'm not doing it this time round ;) [09:39] (yay, having staff :p) [09:40] \sh, she sends greetings back to you :) [09:40] <\sh> ogra, thx :) === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:40] Keybuk: I haven't said it would be ;) just that there's a precedent ;) [09:41] pochu: has anybody actually tested the images? [09:41] the beta images? [09:41] no [09:41] the daily ones [09:42] let me see [09:42] Mithrandir, you havent yet ? man how are we ever supposed to get gutsy stable :P [09:42] oh, you are discussing xubuntu feisty, sorry i thought that was a gutsy question :) [09:43] ogra: anyway, feel free to test them :p === barsanuphe [n=barsanup@ver78-6-88-166-84-152.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:45] pochu, could do that on the weekend [09:45] but no promises, i'm not sure about my spare time ... === `23meg [n=m@unaffiliated/23meg/x-000000001] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pkl_ [n=phillip@lougher.demon.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stratus [n=stratus@201.53.55.52] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:47] ogra: no worries, I'm looking whether it has already been tested or not === mdz [n=mdz@ip-81-1-101-152.cust.homechoice.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:47] maybe you can just install the final release then ;) [09:47] i think ppc did generally not get as much testing this time [09:49] maybe it has already been done :) === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D848E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:50] Keybuk: anything I saw in NEW with a Debian-style version number during the semiautosync period, I just shoved straight in [09:50] Keybuk: if I was feeling particularly diligent I might have checked that it actually came from Debian [09:51] oh, we have hal-info as separate package now ... === ogra hugs pitti [09:52] ogra: yes, it was split upstream for easier maintenance and faster releasing === xxxxx1 [n=will@44125.static.fln.virtua.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:52] yeah, they were always moaning that we dot ship it when i asked for help in #hal :) [09:52] *dont [09:52] just because 0.5.8.1 still hadn't split it [09:53] yeah === xxxxx1 [n=will@44125.static.fln.virtua.com.br] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [09:54] dist-upgrade to gutsy, utch [09:54] After unpacking 481MB of additional disk space will be used. === mvo [n=egon@p54a6466c.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@ubuntu/member/sistpoty] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:55] seb128: wtf?? [09:55] pitti: I blame all the tex* [09:55] 55 upgraded, 40 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [09:55] Need to get 345MB of archives. [09:55] ah, right, my fault even :/ [09:55] I can't do the update :( [09:55] "auto"-sync is up to c now. [09:55] cjwatson: yeah, if they reached our NEW, I'd already checked them -- I did it before sync'ing [09:56] my /usr has not enough space [09:56] grrr [09:56] seb128: it might help to uninstall tetex-extra [09:56] pitti: trying [09:56] seb128: then it doesn't pull in all that additional stuff you probably won't [09:56] need [09:56] pitti: have you merged texlive yet? or is gutsy even ready for that? [09:56] LaserJock: everything is in gutsy :) [09:57] pitti: After unpacking 93.2MB of additional disk space will be used. [09:57] much better ;) [09:57] better [09:57] Keybuk: from the point of view of somebody processing NEW, it wasn't certain whether they came from the sync process or were random uploads [09:57] pitti: how come than text require an extra 350M now? [09:57] s/text/tex [09:57] seb128: texlive is vastly bigger than tetex, and the transitional dependencies were designed to err on the safe side [09:58] seb128: i. e. not break people's TeX systems when they had tetex-{base,extra} before [09:58] hum, k [09:58] you can probably strip it down heavily [09:58] cjwatson: yes, I did try and do them at the same time, but sometimes forgot :) [09:59] pitti: is that going to cause .iso size issues? [09:59] LaserJock: I doubt it, TeX isn't on the CDs [09:59] at most libkpathsea [09:59] well, so I would think anyway [09:59] hmm, I thought -bin or -base was [10:00] LaserJock: no, just checked; only libkpathsea [10:00] ok, cool [10:00] TeX is an absolute beast when it comes to disk space === ahuman [n=oem@ool-43557e7c.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:01] I did a svn checkout of the debian-tex-maint repo the other day [10:01] 22GB === jgoss [n=josh@24.115.218.54.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:02] is texlive that big? [10:02] mdz: ping regarding ubuntu-tex mailing list [10:03] LaserJock: do you really think that this will be necessary? [10:03] geser: not exactly, they have copies of upstream releases for tetex and texlive [10:03] pitti: what? the ML? [10:03] yes [10:03] LaserJock: have we already have a package list for which ubuntu-tex should be a bug contact? [10:04] LaserJock: dev team meeting in progress [10:04] morning [10:04] well, I've got 12 members in ~ubuntu-tex [10:04] and I wanted to set up a ML for bug contacts [10:04] mdz: sorry [10:05] I could be just me, but I find it difficult to coordinate anything without a mailing list [10:06] LaserJock: you are quite welcome to use ubuntu-devel to coordinate, your participation will be welcome! [10:06] LaserJock: wasn't it suggested to use the ubuntu-devel ml for coordination? until we generate to much traffic [10:07] alright then [10:10] bug 110361 :( :( :( [10:10] Launchpad bug 110361 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 "New feisty 64bit install causes nvidia card failure" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/110361 === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra glares at siretart's first gutsy upload ... [10:11] ogra: gnome-screensaver 2.19.1 is available [10:11] 2.19.1.1 rather [10:12] seb128, do we ship it through -updates ? [10:12] ogra: err, huh? [10:12] no, it's 2.19 [10:12] even number is unstable cycle [10:12] ogra: you mean 'sauerbraten'? [10:12] oh, indeed .. heh sorry, had a long day [10:12] ogra: that's new cycle starting, to upload to gutsy ;) [10:12] siretart, yeah [10:13] ogra: oh, that was from a sync request in feisty times [10:13] ogra: that was no upload, but a sync request, which was actually requested for feisty [10:13] heh [10:14] ogra: does that mean you won't get any work done for a few days? :)P [10:15] me also, I have mvo, fabbione and tfheen yet to go [10:15] Keybuk: ^^^ phone call tomorrow? [10:15] ajmitch, i didnt plan to play it ... the name is just weird :) [10:15] fabbione: I'm doing it by e-mail, since I'm running up oxford street with work right now [10:16] Keybuk: ok [10:16] and I'm away all next week :-/ [10:16] fun [10:18] aye [10:18] yay tech tour [10:18] yeah i know === oli [n=olivier@213.211.187.140] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:25] Keybuk: thanks === FordCortina [n=frank@ACD421CF.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:26] jcole: for? [10:26] Goliath23: try to rebuild it [10:26] jcole: what? [10:26] teamspeak? aoss? wine? [10:26] if I'm fixing a bug in a package and there is a newer version availible from the upstream source, but not debian, should I update to the upstream version? [10:27] (11:05:26 AM) jcole: what's the best way to integrate a system configure shell script into the boot process (/etc/init.d) that starts before gdm and the other services with upstart? [10:27] (11:09:05 AM) Keybuk: same as with sysvinit [10:27] Goliath23: aoss [10:27] Keybuk: are you going to convert the world to upstart this cycle? :-) [10:27] jcole: reinstall or rebuild? [10:27] psusi: please first merge with Debian, then update to new upstream [10:27] psusi: avoids lots of mess in the next merge step [10:27] Nafallo: :-) [10:28] Nafallo, ++ [10:28] Goliath23: i don't know why, but sometimes when i rebuild a package natively on amd64 it works "better" [10:28] Keybuk: in that case, gimme a handson with one script so I can help you with the rest of them :-) [10:28] jcole: I think its just that the installed 64 bit ld.so can not preload 32 bit libraries. [10:29] I probably wait for teamspeak3 using alsa, then I don't have to fiddle around with aoss [10:29] Nafallo: see latest mail from me on upstart-devel ;) [10:29] and preload "hacks" :) [10:29] help solve that problem and it's easy === TomB_ [n=tomb@host81-153-34-30.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:29] Keybuk: so I should sign up then? :-) [10:29] pitti: getting the changes into debian can take months or never though ;( [10:29] pitti: and our package already has deviated from the debian version [10:29] anyone wants to try a new game? [10:30] psusi: right, but from the merging POV it's still better to merge first and then upgrade [10:30] http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/yap/yetanotherpacman_1.11-1_i386.deb [10:30] Nafallo: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/upstart-devel/2007-April/000363.html [10:30] tarzeau: 'pacman' ... 'new' [10:30] pitti: yep, pretty nice === _TomB [n=tomb@host81-153-34-30.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:32] Keybuk: I'll grab the whole archive and convert it to maildir instead :-) [10:33] jcole: If I wanted to recompile the package that contains aoss, where could I read how to do that? [10:33] tarzeau: best flight simulator EVAR http://www.ioccc.org/1998/banks.c [10:33] I guess I'd have to install the source package and run some dpkg commands? === mbiebl [n=michael@e180067116.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:34] fabbione: haha === johan [n=jdahlin@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Remote] [10:35] pitti: new is new, and modern is different [10:36] tarzeau: just joking :) === ash211 [n=andrew@user-1121k7e.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:36] fabbione: doesn't compile! :) [10:36] Nafallo: so, any ideas? :p [10:37] Goliath23: same here [10:37] Goliath23: file a bug [10:37] m.c:6: Fehler: dt ist hier nicht deklariert (nicht in einer Funktion) [10:37] hehe [10:37] Goliath23: that's locales fault.. === guerby [n=guerby@gut75-4-82-235-162-148.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === torshido [i=torshido@gateway/tor/x-d3bc31f228a6e4c1] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [10:42] Goliath23: apt-get source alsa-oss [10:42] bryce, apt-cache rdepends xresprobe ... [10:42] its a binary dep of xserver-xorg [10:42] Goliath23: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/20 [10:42] Keybuk: that needs a good nights dreaming to find an answer to ;-) [10:42] ogra: can I answer please? [10:43] cjwatson, indeed [10:43] ogra: no it's not [10:43] s/to/too/ [10:43] bryce: ogra is mistaken here, it's only a Recommends [10:43] oh, sorry === ogra really needs to stop using rdepends ... :/ [10:44] bryce: so, the background is that we put it in the 'ship' seed (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement) so that it was possible to remove it after installation to avoid cruft === dcsmith_ [n=dcsmith@ool-4351bc6d.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:44] ahh [10:44] bryce: (at the time we didn't have any other mechanism to have stuff installed by default but removable; Recommends in ubuntu-desktop is a recent innovation) [10:44] bryce: an installer component explicitly arranged for it to be installed if you were installing the desktop [10:45] cool, ok I was just concerned if there was an incompatibility or some such [10:45] at the time, it had to be unpacked *and configured* (which is unusual) before X was even installed, so this wasn't an extra hardship [10:45] pitti, Mithrandir: is texlive ready? [10:45] doko: yes, it is [10:45] bryce: but that was all in the alternate installer, and this was back before the desktop installer was implemented [10:45] doko: upgrading now [10:45] jcole: thanks [10:45] doko: we stalled the opening of gutsy until it was [10:45] ok, because python2.5 did fail to build, looking at it now [10:46] sparc exploded... [10:46] bryce: I have a suspicion, though haven't verified, that the desktop installer never installed xresprobe on the target system [10:46] ok, I have a feeling (but no evidence) that some of the reported bugs with monitor mis-detection in feisty might be caused by a missing xresprobe [10:46] bryce: we put it in the live seed, which means that it's installed in the live session but removed on copy to the target system [10:46] bryce: however, we wouldn't have noticed this because xorg.conf is copied over from the live session [10:47] doko: what did you do to sparc? [10:47] there's at least one case of someone changing video cards after a feisty install and things started majorly misworking [10:47] bryce: that's true, there are reports where the same image works sometimes [10:47] doko: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/gutsy_probs.html [10:47] bryce: so the only way this could matter is if something is re-running xresprobe after initial installation [10:47] bryce: we don't even try to make that work at present [10:47] bryce: actually, not missing xresprobe but dmidecode not working [10:47] bryce: there's no mechanism to re-detect if the hardware is changed [10:47] right, if they had to reconfigure X and xresprobe wasn't installed, this would be problematic [10:47] bryce: I'm hoping this will become less of an issue with display hotplug [10:47] but as mdz says, this will only be done if you explicitly dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, AFAIK [10:48] right, iirc they reconfigured X but of course it didn't detect things correctly === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [10:48] mdz, agreed [10:48] doesn't this stuff vaguely go away with Xorg 1.3? [10:48] as I said by mail, I moved xresprobe to be a recommends of desktop, which should clear that up [10:48] Keybuk: only once the configuration stuff is also adapted [10:48] and assuming that xserver 1.3 does everything we want === Keybuk has seen "I removed my xorg.conf and X still works" blog posts [10:49] fabbione: python2.5 blew up [10:49] Keybuk, i suspect they cpoied it to ~ :P [10:49] doko: ^^ please fix. kthxbye [10:49] display-hotplug affectes the output-devices.. the server can detect correct driver already [10:49] *copied [10:49] Mithrandir: thanks [10:49] Keybuk: we know there are cases where that's true, but what we need to know is when it doesn't :-) [10:49] Keybuk: yup, the plan though is to still support the xresprobe approach as a fallback [10:49] I have a suspicion that somebody (*cough* hi bryce) is going to have to spend a few weeks going through all the workarounds we have built up over time and ensuring that they are all included in the serverr [10:49] server [10:49] :-) [10:49] fabbione: I'll give it back and it'll hopefully explode less. [10:50] Mithrandir: thanks... [10:50] X hackers tend to have well-supported graphics cards on the machines where they hack on this sort of thing ... [10:50] Keybuk: "I removed my xorg.conf and X still works" -> me too, I got that in r-m bug reports [10:50] the panel detection stuff can most likely go away entirely, since that was a twisted loop querying the X server to get information to write xorg.conf [10:50] fabbione, Mithrandir: looking at it now. the archive is open now? [10:50] but the cases where both DDC and the driver fail to detect the display, those we still need to handle somehow [10:50] cjwatson: pushing new recruits into the deep end is one thing, put pushing them into the shark-with-frickin-laser-beams-on-their-foreheads and piranha infested waters is another entirely! [10:50] doko: yes [10:50] mdz: hey.. that was a real piece of working art 2 years ago [10:50] doko: yes, you can upload wildly [10:50] doko: yes, the archive is open; I just gave back python2.5 which should hopefully fix this. [10:51] currently the server only works either without a config or a valid config [10:51] Keybuk: I was planning to give him some kind of forcefield shield. Does that make it morally OK? [10:51] er, "with a valid config" [10:51] "the X server works if and only if your configuration is broken" [10:51] hehe [10:51] but gravity is working on that [10:52] X server works because Chuck Norris wrote it [10:52] :) [10:52] he did ? [10:52] with just one hand.. behind the back === dpm [n=dpm@p54A13427.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:53] bryce: everyone whose brain we need to pick about this will be at UDS. bring a list of questions! [10:53] Mithrandir: no, have to upload a python-defaults with loosened dependencies first === hunger [n=tobias@p54A717E0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:53] cool, will doo [10:53] er, -o [10:53] doko: ok, have fun. [10:53] brainsik: and beer please :) [10:53] ops [10:53] please pick the debian brains as well [10:53] bryce: ^^ [10:53] fabbione: beer isn't really enough. Might well need tequila or stronger too. [10:53] bryce: the more beer.. the more i will answer ;) [10:54] fabbione: huh? [10:54] Mithrandir: beer to start... i need to warm up again [10:54] brainsik: sorry.. wrong tab [10:54] fabbione: :) [10:54] fabbione: :-) [10:54] bryce, you have nfs4 experience ? [10:55] X over nfs4 ? [10:55] :P [10:55] i actually configured decnet here at home [10:55] on that note, good night. I am almost out of battery [10:55] ogra: yup [10:55] fabbione, nope, i'm trying to get ltsp with nfs4 nfsroot going ... :) [10:55] i need to see if xtrans extensions are working [10:55] mdz, night! thanks [10:55] mdke: night dude [10:55] bryce, i'll pay some of fabbiones beers for you then :) [10:56] and pick your brain a bit if you dont mind :) [10:56] oh. Keybuk left :-P === Loevborg [n=loevborg@dslb-088-064-072-255.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:57] ogra, sure :-) [10:57] ;) [10:58] <\sh> ogra, nfs4 is a charme...less trouble with network admins and their broken firewall appliances ;) [10:58] \sh, its a pain in initramfs :) === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:58] but i got it roughly working now ... [10:58] ogra: nothing is pain... [10:58] <\sh> ogra, I migrated our old nfs3 auto home fs to nfs4..now I'm stucked with the sles9 integration of nfs4..:( [10:59] pain is pleasure and fun [10:59] fabbione: masochist [10:59] <\sh> SM! [10:59] fabbione, indeed, i picked that pain :) [10:59] ajmitch: i didn't say inflicting the pain on who :) [10:59] oh. what a twist to the discussion ;-) [11:00] Nafallo: never seen Hell Raiser (the movies)? [11:00] fabbione: I think I have one of them somewhere, but not really, no :-) [11:00] <\sh> oh guys, I do have a good working openldap config for user auth, and sudo-ldap integration...I think tomorrow I'm starting to migrate the ldap-master server from sles to ubuntu [11:00] Nafallo: ehhh [11:01] I can't say much, I'm just installing longhorn server in vmware to test out samba & AD [11:01] \sh: good [11:01] ajmitch, shudder [11:01] ogra: I know [11:01] ajmitch: nice. did you pay for it? ;-) [11:01] Nafallo: no, open beta [11:01] :-) [11:01] <\sh> ajmitch, need to change the acl from old file style to new bdb backend style [11:02] would rock if we integrate with it when it's released :-) [11:02] Nafallo: that's mostly up to the samba team [11:02] ajmitch: they have the goal though? [11:03] of course, it'll be a requirement [11:03] nice. can we get back to SM now. that's not half as painful as Windows ;-) [11:04] hehe [11:04] lol === grayman [n=grayman@89.0.181.179.dynamic.barak-online.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:06] <\sh> good night folks...time to get a life... === pkl_ [n=phillip@lougher.demon.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra_ [n=zdra@120.216-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === adamant1988 [n=adam@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Monk-e [n=guido-fe@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.static.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MrNOKIA1 [n=user@86.121.181.160] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lfittl [n=lfittl@213.129.230.12] has joined #ubuntu-devel === n3t0 [n=n3t0@201-26-2-216.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@e180067116.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:29] i've just seen someone say on a list that the server and desktop versions of ubuntu use the same kernel, is that true? [11:30] no [11:30] didn't think so [11:30] -server vs -generic === ivoks [n=ivoks@0-195.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === finalbeta_ [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === soothsay [n=soothsay@bas5-montreal02-1096553340.dsl.bell.ca] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === robertj_ [n=robertj@97.81.79.163] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mcgrof [n=mcgrof@ruslug.rutgers.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:44] did anyone tried oem before release? :) [11:51] libe* and counting.. [11:52] so we'll just have to wait for buildds to catch up then [11:52] Mithrandir: autosyncing? :-) [11:52] Nafallo: "auto", yes. [11:52] nice :-) [11:52] this is just the "download into the ~/syncs bit. Then it'll have to be processed. [11:53] ah === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-94-19.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ScottK [n=ScottK@ubuntu/member/scottk] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [12:06] grr @ ivoks [12:06] "doesn't work for me" != "nobody tried it" === Tonio_ [n=tonio@mon75-1-87-91-246-70.dsl.club-internet.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jvw_ [i=jeroen@220pc220.sshunet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel