[12:14] <lettuce_> I need to install video card drivers, can someone give me a link to the "how to"
[12:14] <chemist109> zoohouse: Try: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  but be careful!
[12:15] <Daisuke_Ido> !nvidia
[12:15] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:15] <lettuce_> thank you
[12:15] <hellblade> zoohouse: there are many different programs for this job. what exactly do you want to change in xorg?
[12:16] <hellblade> zoohouse: first backup /etc/X11/xorg.conf and then run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg"
[12:16] <traampaa> hellblade is kubuntu su buggy or not?
[12:16] <traampaa> hellblade is kubuntu so buggy or not?
[12:16] <hellblade> traampaa: not for me... and other people here i guess:)
[12:17] <chemist109> Kubuntu works well for me.  I'm using it on 4 computers.
[12:17] <hellblade> traampaa: i have no idea about your problem. you can try posting in kubuntuforums.net
[12:17] <TheDebugger> kubuntu feisty is not buggy..
[12:17] <TheDebugger> Edgy was for me...
[12:18] <chemist109> I use Edgy and Feisty.  I like Feisty better.
[12:18] <FeistyForge> mostly Kubuntu runs fine
[12:18] <FeistyForge> I agree fiesty is nice :)
[12:18] <lettuce_> The guide is telling me to go to System -> Administration -> Restricted Devices Manager, but I don
[12:18] <traampaa> but its not just one bug. my amarok player crash when i switched to other song, two network card worked when i changed second card to other netmask(!!) and that program which start on restart :(
[12:18] <lettuce_> I don't see administration undder system
[12:18] <lettuce_> :(
[12:18] <traampaa> ehh :(
[12:19] <hellblade> lettuce_: thats for gnome
[12:19] <chemist109> lettuce_: do you have restricted devices manager installed?
[12:19] <lettuce_> i don't think so
[12:19] <lettuce_> what would be kde's way of doing it?
[12:19] <hellblade> lettuce_: run restricted-manager in a konsole
[12:19] <lettuce_> ok
[12:19] <hellblade> lettuce_: and follow the instructions
[12:20] <lettuce_> k
[12:20] <chemist109> hellblade: I don't think it's in the default install for kubuntu.  Might have to apt-get it.
[12:21] <hellblade> gtg guys! traampaa: take it easy mate. kubuntu is different than windows and it might take you some time to get used to it and its quirks
[12:21] <traampaa> hellblade and just one question. howto make usb drive mount-shorcut in konqueror left panel, like in gnome nautilus
[12:21] <hellblade> chemist109: the new feisty feature will inform you if its not installed. i love that!
[12:21] <chemist109> hellblade: Me too!  I discovered it a few days ago.
[12:22] <traampaa> hellblade hmm i not nube, just kubuntu is too buggy, but not ubuntu, but i dont like gnome
[12:22] <MonaLeilani> Hi. I have kubuntu installed on my laptop. How do I make it use a monitor instead of the laptop screen?
[12:22] <MonaLeilani> I have the monitor plugged into my laptop, and it's giving me a groovy light show
[12:23] <FeistyForge> kubuntu isn't any more buggy than ubuntu
[12:23] <hellblade> chemist109: check tabbing after sudo aptitude install. it works miracles now:)
[12:23] <FeistyForge> they are afterall the same OS for the most part
[12:23] <FeistyForge> its mostly just the window manager that is different
[12:23] <chemist109> hellblade: Very nice!  I like it.
[12:24] <chemist109> hellblade: apt-get does it too!
[12:24] <hellblade> traampaa: i gtg. i think you can right click on an icon of navigation bar > configure... > add new > folder > then enter your usb mount point
[12:24] <hellblade> chemist109: and dpkg:)
[12:25] <hellblade> bb guys. have fun with your K boces:)
[12:25] <hellblade> *boxes even
[12:25] <Daisuke_Ido> well, at this point, i'm not a big fan of dolphin
[12:25] <chemist109> I'm so overwhelmed, I have to go...
[12:25] <chemist109> bye
[12:25] <traampaa> hellblade and its will start automaticly every time with other usb devices and i dont need to configure them? like in nautilus?
[12:26] <hellblade> traampaa: yes. when you plug a usb storage device it gets automounted so you onl have to get in its dir
[12:26] <hellblade> nite
[12:26] <traampaa> and for cdrom too?
[12:28] <eljefe> does anyone's Feisty Kubuntu HAL pop up for Video DVDs to mount/play/k9copy (like a USB drive would) ?  myne doesn't...
[12:28] <Daisuke_Ido> mine does just fine with that
[12:28] <eljefe> for DVDs huh.  daang myne doesn't at all, but i checked and it is set up for it
[12:28] <eljefe> CDs work
[12:29] <eljefe> does your k9copy work?  i think either that or my mkisofs or growisofs is broken...
[12:29] <eljefe> (seperate than the HAL popup)
[12:30] <Daisuke_Ido> i don't use k9copy, so i dunno
[12:32] <Daisuke_Ido> ooh, time to start doing some spring cleaning on my pc.  less than 10gb free on the 300gb hdd
[12:33] <the_hammer> to much movies eh
[12:33] <Daisuke_Ido> not really
[12:33] <Daisuke_Ido> i've got a couple movies backed up
[12:34] <Daisuke_Ido> TONS of television though :\
[12:34] <the_hammer> lol
[12:34] <Daisuke_Ido> TV accounts for 160gb of it
[12:34] <the_hammer> holy smokes
[12:34] <Daisuke_Ido> there's...  a lot.
[12:34] <the_hammer> im just in the mists of redoing my box here getting all the updates and such
[12:35] <the_hammer> i made the mistake of trying out sabayon
[12:35] <the_hammer> the installer sucks balls on that distro
[12:35] <Daisuke_Ido> good live distro, not so good at installing
[12:35] <the_hammer> filled up my entire 80 gig heh
[12:36] <MrWGW> and I think I'll wait a bit before using it
[12:36] <the_hammer> so rather then redo it i just took it out and put in my 120 with kubuntu installed
[12:36] <MrWGW> there are some sweeping changes in it which scare me
[12:36] <MrWGW> I'll wait until the next version rather than chance an upgrade
[12:37] <the_hammer> ive got a pretty good collection of kubuntu going here lol
[12:38] <the_hammer> i tossed about 35 cds/dvs of distros ill never use again
[12:38] <Daisuke_Ido> need to get my hands on an ide controller card :\
[12:39] <Daisuke_Ido> i had one, but i'll be damned if i know what i did with it
[12:39] <the_hammer> lots of stuff i dont like about kubuntu but i like alot of its other fetures so i just put up with the dislikes
[12:39] <MrWGW> except for MEPIS
[12:39] <MrWGW> I hate MEPIS
[12:39] <MrWGW> only distro I've used that didn't work for me
[12:39] <the_hammer> ya me to
[12:39] <Daisuke_Ido> oops, sorry for the language
[12:39] <MrWGW> it was just so lame
[12:39] <MrWGW> I doubt the D word would get you kicked...unless I was op
[12:39] <MrWGW> BWAHAHAHA
[12:39] <the_hammer> mepis is a nice system looks great and runs nice DOWN FALL runs on old school packages and cant be updated worth a crap
[12:40] <MrWGW> I for a time was an op on an aviation related channel and was notorious for banning first and asking questions later
[12:40] <MrWGW> I just don't see the need for MEPIS
[12:40] <MrWGW> when you have great innovative distros out there
[12:40] <Daisuke_Ido> MrWGW: it's just that this is a family-friendly channel and any foul language is looked down on
[12:40] <MrWGW> if I want an old school dyed in the wool distro I'd use Debian Woody or Slackware
[12:40] <the_hammer> lmao
[12:41] <MrWGW> well you were the one who used it Daisuke
[12:41] <Daisuke_Ido> i know, hence he apology :)
[12:41] <Daisuke_Ido> the*
[12:41] <the_hammer> my hates about kubuntu is the disabled root accounts and so on and having to sudo su
[12:41] <MrWGW> because we all know there are a bunch of innocent seven year old kernel hackers in here
[12:41] <MrWGW> me too
[12:41] <the_hammer> its stupid to sudo su when su is alot faster to ype heh
[12:41] <MrWGW> I hate that
[12:41] <MrWGW> there is a workaround however
[12:41] <MrWGW> I just don't remember what it is
[12:42] <the_hammer> i been told that to but never been taught
[12:42] <MrWGW> I love running as r00t just for the thrill factor
[12:42] <MrWGW> its like standing on the edge of a cliff, on a pogo stick
[12:42] <the_hammer> if i knew how that would be the 1st thing id be ripping the pants off of
[12:42] <MrWGW> btw question
[12:42] <MrWGW> for some reason, from KDE, I don't have buttons for shutting down the system
[12:42] <MrWGW> but I do in XFCE and GNOME
[12:42] <MrWGW> Suggestions?
[12:42] <MrWGW> in Edgy I didn't have this problem
[12:43] <Daisuke_Ido> given that ubuntu is a distro designed for normal users, it's probably a good thing the root account isn't enabled by default
[12:43] <MrWGW> yes, but I'm not a normal user, and I find it demeaning
[12:43] <the_hammer> older kubuntu i might have had answers but not for the new stuff
[12:43] <MrWGW> I'm only using Ubuntu because I have a Mac and Ubuntu is the only family of distros known to run well on Apple hardware
[12:43] <MrWGW> well what would your answer have been for the older one hammer?
[12:44] <cpk1> just set up your root account its not hard
[12:44] <the_hammer> fstab and theres 1 other file i just cant think of off hand but is in ect folder also
[12:45] <the_hammer> just a sec i have a back up on a floppy
[12:45] <MrWGW> weird
[12:46] <MrWGW> Kubuntu Desktop wasn't installed
[12:46] <MrWGW> even though I'm <CENSORED> USING IT
[12:46] <MrWGW> so basically what had been installed was KDE+Kubuntu artwork
[12:46] <MrWGW> but not the actual system
[12:46] <the_hammer> dam it i cant find it
[12:46] <MrWGW> so I had no way of knowing that Kubuntu actually wasn't there
[12:46] <Linracoon> why are there so many users using kubuntu when isnt such a great distro, for example i was told by many users that mandriva is better, any hint please?
[12:46] <Skyblast> I just got a Macbook Pro for work... Looked up how to install Ubuntu on it. Looks like a nightmare to get it going
[12:47] <the_hammer> when i 1st installed and ran slack 11 the buttons for shut down and reboot were not there all it had was end session
[12:47] <the_hammer> so the files i was told to edit i made copies on a floppy now of course i cant find it
[12:47] <Skyblast> Linracoon: Different things work for different people. I have no problems with Kubuntu in and of itself
[12:47] <Linracoon> Skyblast: i tried install kubuntu 2 months ago and the install was a crap
[12:48] <Linracoon> remind me dos, but the worst is that were some options not working, and other options missing that were very usefull
[12:48] <MrWGW> dang that didn't fix it
[12:48] <Skyblast> There is a Live CD install now
[12:49] <FeistyForge> Linracoon, perhaps you didn't use the LiveCD installer
[12:49] <Linracoon> FeistyForge: that was what i exactly used
[12:49] <Skyblast> sounds like you used an alternate disc or installed Dapper
[12:49] <FeistyForge> so what about that reminds you of dos? it isn't even a text-based interface
[12:49] <Linracoon> Skyblast: yes it was
[12:49] <leo_> hi everybody
[12:50] <Daisuke_Ido> then you didn't use the livecd installer
[12:50] <Daisuke_Ido> oi
[12:50] <sobersabre> hi.
[12:50] <Linracoon> Skyblast: to be exact remind me the first part of windowsxp install
[12:50] <sobersabre> is there a ready document to make kdm work with bioapi /
[12:50] <sobersabre> ?
[12:50] <leo_> hi sobersabre
[12:50] <Linracoon> yes i did
[12:50] <Skyblast> That can't be the LiveCD installer.
[12:50] <Daisuke_Ido> no, the live cd installer is graphical all the way through
[12:50] <FeistyForge> liveCD is nice... "out-of-the-box" functionality/webbrowsing, etc) - unless you don't have DHCP
[12:50] <Daisuke_Ido> no text-based install whatsoever.
[12:50] <Linracoon> was more than 2 months ago
[12:51] <Linracoon> i think was verion 6 of kubuntu
[12:51] <Daisuke_Ido> it's been around for almost a year, next retarded point?
[12:51] <FeistyForge> dapper
[12:51] <Daisuke_Ido> the first in the 6 series introduced the livecd installer
[12:51] <Daisuke_Ido> 6.06
[12:51] <FeistyForge> Edgy isn't text based if you use the LiveCD neither is feisty
[12:51] <theamazingpotato> hello
[12:51] <theamazingpotato> help
[12:51] <Linracoon> what i heard was that ubuntu haves being guys with money that do a lot of publicity, that when comparing to other distros isnt better, any comments?
[12:52] <theamazingpotato> can anybody help me with sound
[12:52] <theamazingpotato> the sound is so low
[12:52] <theamazingpotato> i tried kmixer and alsamixer
[12:52] <FeistyForge> Lin, your probably right, its no better, but its no worse than other distros.. that I know of
[12:52] <FeistyForge> besides most of that is preferences based
[12:53] <Linracoon> i heard many people that tried kubuntu and went back to mandriva
[12:53] <Skyblast> Good for them.
[12:53] <MrWGW> IMO the *Ubuntu family of distros are among the finest in existence
[12:53] <FeistyForge> you can get a debian-based distro with KDE other than Kubuntu...
[12:53] <EduardoLuisSilva> Lin, ubuntu was made to be simpler than others.
[12:53] <MrWGW> however, they aren't to my personal tastes, being very n00b oriented
[12:53] <MrWGW> except for Kubuntu
[12:53] <MrWGW> I like Kubuntu because it respects power users to some extent
[12:53] <FeistyForge> Mandriva? thats slow on my PC (the liveCD version wich btw the installer doesn't work on)
[12:53] <FeistyForge> even the mandriva people suggest against using the live cd installer for it
[12:53] <MrWGW> Mandriva is great
[12:53] <MrWGW> when it works
[12:53] <leo_> i'm using kubuntu right now.. easy to install but not so good
[12:53] <Skyblast> I like Kubuntu because of the massive support in the Ubuntu userbase, and there is so much documentation for it
[12:53] <Linracoon> FeistyForge: that is totally false
[12:53] <MrWGW> but it uses the lousy URPMI system
[12:54] <MrWGW> the RPM system I like is Yast/You
[12:54] <JoeyAdams> Fedora does, too, but Ubuntu respects users who want to visit proprietary websites.
[12:54] <LjL> Linracoon: why do i think you sound like you're trolling? i guess it's probably because, let's see, we're in the #kubuntu channel, which means most people here use #kubuntu (and conceivably like it), and while they can probably make subjective-but-not-fanatic judgments, they probably aren't going to like the idea that they just choose their distro because it was publicized by full-pockets people.
[12:54] <MrWGW> from Suse
[12:54] <Linracoon> lousy? urpmi is very good
[12:54] <FeistyForge> sofar I've had no luck with Mandriva
[12:54] <Linracoon> LjL: sorry if you understood that, but im just wanting to know some points
[12:54] <MrWGW> my gripe with URPMI is that Mandriva .rpms aren't compatible with Red Hat and Fedora .rpms
[12:54] <Skyblast> Mandrake back in the 10.1 days was great
[12:54] <MrWGW> and Suse rpms
[12:54] <MrWGW> Suse can generally use Fedoras
[12:54] <Skyblast> Now, it seems pretty flaky
[12:54] <MrWGW> with occasional difficulty
[12:54] <JoeyAdams> I like how the apt package manager is so much faster than yum.  (Unless I have to) I will never write an application that uses XML for anything!
[12:54] <Daisuke_Ido> Linracoon: are you JUST here to spread anti-ubuntu BS?
[12:55] <Linracoon> Skyblast: i did installed 2007.1 and i was very good surprised
[12:55] <JoeyAdams> It can be fun to try all the distros.
[12:55] <Linracoon> Daisuke_Ido: of course not
[12:55] <leo_> i'm starting to hate Linux more than i hate Windows...
[12:55] <LjL> Linracoon: well, let's assume for a moment that (k)ubuntu is really mostly just boosted by publicity. even that can theoretically give it some *technical* advantages, like for instance that many programs are packaged to work on it
[12:55] <MrWGW> why not do something productive and go to #windows or #apple and engage the MS and Mac fanbois?
[12:55] <Linracoon> i just want to know about it
[12:55] <FeistyForge> I would have thought combining connectiva + Lycoris into it would make it better not worse
[12:55] <Daisuke_Ido> sounds an awful lot like it.  nothing you've said has been anything but.
[12:55] <LjL> Linracoon: and many people who can offer support, if there's many users
[12:55] <FeistyForge> Leo why?
[12:55] <theamazingpotato> umm
[12:55] <theamazingpotato> help
[12:55] <theamazingpotato> this is a support channel
[12:56] <MrWGW>    what can we do you for Mr. Potato?
[12:56] <LjL> Linracoon: not to mention the fact that, if you go to the KDE site, what they first mention as "here's a distribution for you if you want to try out KDE" is Kubuntu, if i recall correctly ;)
[12:56] <theamazingpotato> ok
[12:56] <Linracoon> well its better to just try kubuntu since desnt seam this level of conversation seams to be productiv, like i said im not trolling, sorry if your understanding that
[12:56] <MrWGW>     well Kubuntu provides a very generic KDE experience
[12:56] <theamazingpotato> do you have a im
[12:56] <MrWGW> very default
[12:56] <leo_> well... i just tried to do simple things, like playing mp3s or adding some programs... and it was really hard
[12:56] <theamazingpotato> this goes too fast
[12:56] <theamazingpotato> the chat
[12:56] <MrWGW> albeit highly refined
[12:56] <Linracoon> but yes its better to just try kubuntu and see for myself
[12:56] <Daisuke_Ido> theamazingpotato: this is going to sound dumb: have you turned up the volume on the speakers?
[12:56] <MrWGW> if you're a registered Freenode user you can PM me
[12:56] <theamazingpotato> yes
[12:56] <theamazingpotato> i have
[12:57] <LjL> Linracoon: i agree with that
[12:57] <FeistyForge> how generic is the gnome in ubuntu?
[12:57] <cpk1> leo_: it should be pretty simple to get mp3 and video codecs for kubuntu
[12:57] <Daisuke_Ido> Linokay, we've ruled out the 90% most likely problem :D
[12:57] <Daisuke_Ido> it's very simple in feisty, open an mp3
[12:57] <Daisuke_Ido> "would you like to install the codec?"
[12:57] <MrWGW> FreeBSD has new low latency sound drivers which kick posterior
[12:57] <vit__> hello
[12:58] <MrWGW> in terms of getting sound cards to work
[12:58] <Daisuke_Ido> MrWGW: "prod buttock"?
[12:58] <theamazingpotato> ok
[12:58] <theamazingpotato> sure
[12:58] <leo_> yes, it asked me to install the codec... but then it didn't
[12:58] <JoeyAdams> I guess you have to go to the package manager, turn on multiverse, and look for libmp3 or something like that.
[12:59] <JoeyAdams> But that's obviously not as easy as just letting it download the codec ;)
[12:59] <slim> first there was Automatix for codecs now that we have fiesty we don't even need that
[12:59] <slim> plug and play
[01:00] <slim> no need to install codecs any longer
[01:00] <Daisuke_Ido> you have to go to the package manager, and universe is enabled by default now, so you can just look it up and install
[01:00] <Daisuke_Ido> *if* for some reason it fails by default
[01:00] <cpk1> leo_: you on fiesty?
[01:01] <FeistyForge> argh automatix?
[01:01] <FeistyForge> bad choice
[01:01] <slim> after being a Windows tech for 25 yrs and then trying several dozen Linux versions Fiesty is a real nice system
[01:01] <FeistyForge> !automatix
[01:01] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a proprietary script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[01:02] <FeistyForge> slim I agree after being a Windows user, Kubuntu is a really nice OS
[01:02] <lettuce_> I can boot from My other HD but kubuntu doesn't see it, what should I do so that I can acces the HD's contents from kubuntu?
[01:02] <Daisuke_Ido> FeistyForge: he was actually saying that it's no longer necessary to use something like automatix (it never was necessary, but it used to be easier)
[01:02] <leo_> sorry, what is fiesty?
[01:02] <Daisuke_Ido> !ntfs | lettuce_
[01:02] <ubotu> lettuce_: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[01:02] <slim> I actually use Ubuntu with KDE support
[01:03] <lettuce_> ok
[01:03] <Daisuke_Ido> leo_: ubuntu version 7.04, just released (Feisty Fawn)
[01:03] <slim> which is almost the same thing
[01:03] <slim> I did have some issues when upgrading from dapper to edgy with automatix
[01:03] <Daisuke_Ido> automatix is evil
[01:04] <hatekilldestroy> !ntfs-3g
[01:04] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[01:04] <FeistyForge> the differences between edgy and feisty tend to be subtle at least on the surface
[01:04] <slim> but needed the codec support
[01:04] <hatekilldestroy> !fuse
[01:04] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[01:04] <hatekilldestroy> someone make ET work :( whenever i have to download a pak it can't.
[01:05] <FeistyForge> Manage repositories in Adept in Fesity has gone Synaptic-style..
[01:05] <Daisuke_Ido> slim: so install them manually
[01:05] <leo_> no, Edgy 6.10
[01:05] <FeistyForge> edgy is kewl
[01:06] <slim> actually edgy was a so so upgrade with many problems were dapper and edgy were great
[01:06] <FeistyForge> my first kubuntu was edgy :) which was bascially my first useful desktop *nux
[01:06] <FeistyForge> erm *nix
[01:06] <slim> edgy was only good on a fresh install
[01:06] <FeistyForge> yeah
[01:06] <slim> not as an upgrade
[01:06] <leo_> are there many differences between these versions?
[01:06] <FeistyForge> is the edgy -> feisty as upgrade problematic?
[01:06] <marcin_> hello
[01:06] <slim> no
[01:07] <FeistyForge> hey marcin
[01:07] <slim>  fiesty upgrade was fine
[01:07] <leo_> i mean, is fiesty better than edgy?
[01:07] <cpk1> leo_: you need to enable multiverse and then install libxine-extracodecs for mp3 support
[01:07] <marcin_> i'm from Poland
[01:07] <marcin_> ;-)
[01:07] <slim> fiesty is much better if you are upgrading
[01:08] <slim> I did 12 upgrades
[01:08] <Daisuke_Ido> on one machine?
[01:08] <leo_> yes cpk1, the player (Amarok) tried to do that, but it failed
[01:08] <Daisuke_Ido> leo_: so install it manually
[01:08] <Daisuke_Ido> sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[01:08] <leo_> it asked me if i wanted to enabled multiverse
[01:08] <slim> all went smooth except one had a package that locked
[01:08] <Daisuke_Ido> and did you say yes?
[01:08] <leo_> then it tried to install libxine
[01:09] <leo_> ok, i'll try right now
[01:09] <cpk1> leo_: yeah i think amarok failed me too so I did it myself (using aptitude)
[01:10] <lettuce_> what type of partition formatting is accesable with both windows AND kubuntu?
[01:10] <slim> I which I would have found the documentation for the libxine-extracodecs Daisuke_Ido, I wouldn't have installed the other
[01:10] <slim> other being used because of your autoscript
[01:11] <ciko_dormiente> lettuce_: you can use fat32, ntfs or ext2/3
[01:11] <slim> the only thing I found broke in fiesty was gdeskcuts
[01:11] <Daisuke_Ido> lettuce_: vfat if you want read/write on both sides with no hassle
[01:11] <ciko_dormiente> the first two are supported directly from windows
[01:11] <slim> oh and my Pan newsgroup reader lost it's newsgroups
[01:12] <Daisuke_Ido> ciko_dormiente: ext* requires tinkering on the windows side, ntfs requires tinkering on the linux side
[01:12] <leo_> "unable to lock the administrator directory. are you root?"
[01:12] <ciko_dormiente> the last need a IFS driver
[01:12] <Daisuke_Ido> that leaves vfat as the safest cross-platform option
[01:12] <Daisuke_Ido> leo_: SUDO
[01:12] <Daisuke_Ido> oops
[01:12] <Daisuke_Ido> sudo
[01:12] <marcin_> fajnie tu macie szkoda e nie kumam za bardzo co piszecie :(
[01:12] <lettuce_> ok, I have a partion of pure storage (no OS) and it's NTFS, but i can only view the stuff on it. Is that how it's suppose to be?
[01:12] <sobersabre> leo_: sorry haven't answered u, hello.
[01:12] <Daisuke_Ido> lettuce_: by default, yes
[01:12] <Daisuke_Ido> ntfs writing in linux is notoriously buggy
[01:13] <leo_> hi sobersabre
[01:13] <slim> I like VMWare for Windows rather than a dual boot
[01:13] <Daisuke_Ido> it's gotten better, but i still wouldn't use it on a production machine
[01:13] <Daisuke_Ido> slim: i do too, but that's not an option for gamers
[01:13] <sobersabre> Daisuke_Ido: there's ntfs-ng project... is it also that "buggy" ?
[01:13] <lettuce_> is there any way to change it so I have total acces to the disk?
[01:13] <Daisuke_Ido> ntfs-3g and no, i don't trust it yet
[01:13] <slim> most of my gaming is emulators which have Linux versions
[01:13] <Daisuke_Ido> !ntfs-3g | lettuce_
[01:13] <ubotu> lettuce_: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[01:14] <Daisuke_Ido> slim: same here
[01:14] <Daisuke_Ido> snes and psx mostly
[01:14] <lettuce_> Thank you very much
[01:14] <Daisuke_Ido> you're welcome
[01:14] <slim> I have a hardware drawer type dual boot but don't use it much
[01:14] <sobersabre> hmmm, guys as I've asked earlier: I have a fingerprint reader on the thinkpad.
[01:14] <sobersabre> and I have set it up to work with GDM
[01:14] <Daisuke_Ido> sobersabre: an apc reader?
[01:14] <Daisuke_Ido> (reader's manufactured by apc, that is)
[01:14] <slim> most of my Windows on VMWare is for advanced Excel work
[01:14] <sobersabre> is there a way to make KDM authenticate against the BIO API ?
[01:15] <slim> which is what I do for a living
[01:15] <Daisuke_Ido> probably not
[01:15] <sobersabre> Daisuke_Ido: actually I don't remember.
[01:15] <sobersabre> I just followed a howto on bioapi page, and it works.
[01:15] <marcin_> Debian :D vs Ubuntu ;)
[01:15] <sobersabre> Daisuke_Ido: why "probably not" ?
[01:16] <Minataku> You can use my plan
[01:16] <Minataku> Two computers, one top-of-the-line
[01:16] <sobersabre> I've heeard of some patch I need to apply, but I don't remember where I've seen it.
[01:16] <Minataku> One older but still capable
[01:16] <Minataku> The top-end one is Windows and ONLY PLAYS GAMES
[01:16] <Minataku> Nothing else
[01:16] <Minataku> The other one runs Linux and does everything but playing games (and even some of that)
[01:17] <Daisuke_Ido> sobersabre: just speaking from experience with fingerprint readers
[01:17] <Daisuke_Ido> never had ANY luck with them :\
[01:17] <Daisuke_Ido> morning Minataku
[01:17] <Minataku> Evening here
[01:17] <Minataku> lol
[01:17] <Minataku> Hi, Daisuke_Ido
[01:17] <sobersabre> Daisuke_Ido: I do use it, and I can use it to login, but my login manager is GDM currently
[01:17] <marcin_> jest takie ubuntu jak debian netinstall?
[01:17] <slim> I think in the next 3 to 4 years all Windows programs including games will be able to be run in Linux, just an opinion.
[01:18] <Daisuke_Ido> ah, then why not stick with gdm?\
[01:18] <sobersabre> I just wanted to see if I could switch it to KDM
[01:18] <sobersabre> for the sport.
[01:18] <sobersabre> :)
[01:18] <marcin_> :)
[01:18] <Daisuke_Ido> uh-huh
[01:18] <leo_> i have a fingerprint reader from Microsoft. can i make it work in Linux?
[01:18] <sobersabre> leo_: I am not sure microsoft manufactures fingerprint readers
[01:19] <sobersabre> It should be something outsourcing...
[01:19] <ahvargas> what di you mean make it work?
[01:19] <marcin_> M$ :/
[01:19] <Daisuke_Ido> and here we have one of my pet peeves
[01:19] <Linracoon> leo_: google is your friend
[01:19] <Daisuke_Ido> people that don't feel it's necessary to tag their mp3s...
[01:19] <sobersabre> leo_: google on bioapi pam linux
[01:19] <leo_> haha,, thanks linrakoon
[01:19] <leo_> i know that
[01:20] <marcin_> mwi kto po polsku?
[01:20] <marcin_> :(
[01:20] <Minataku> !pl | marcin_
[01:20] <ubotu> marcin_: Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[01:20] <sobersabre> marcin_: learn english, man.
[01:20] <Minataku> :)
[01:20] <Minataku> sobersabre: Watch yourself
[01:20] <ahvargas> _leo:http://www.griaule.com/
[01:20] <sobersabre> Minataku: what's your problem ?
[01:21] <slim> I like to Google Microsoft satan
[01:21] <Minataku> sobersabre: That was hardly an acceptible response to his request
[01:21] <Tm_T> !coc | sobersabre
[01:21] <ubotu> sobersabre: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[01:21] <Minataku> Thanks, Tm_T
[01:21] <sobersabre> Tm_T: thanks. reading now.
[01:22] <Minataku> Forgot there was a trigger for that
[01:22] <Minataku> lol
[01:22] <leo_> i'm a newbee in this... how do you talk to a specific person (it appears in red)
[01:22] <Tm_T> leo_: like this?
[01:22] <leo_> yes
[01:22] <Daisuke_Ido> leo_: that's highlighting, it shows up for your nick to alert you to an incoming message directed at you
[01:22] <Tm_T> ;)
[01:23] <marcin_> bye
[01:23] <Tm_T> leo_: just mention nick in start
[01:23] <Tm_T> s/start/beginning
[01:23] <Minataku> But yeah, if someone's in here speaking "Not English", try to figure out what language they're speaking and point them to the locale-specific channel, given by ! then the two letter national abbreviation, followed by a | then their nickname
[01:23] <slim> catch everyone later
[01:23] <leo_> tm_t: like this
[01:23] <jhutchins> I finally figured out why people don't like /msg, which just goes to one person.
[01:23] <sobersabre> Minataku: I think I have not misbehaved.
[01:24] <Tm_T> leo_: yes :)
[01:24] <jhutchins> Most clients now open a seperate chat window for that, which didn't use to happen.
[01:24] <sobersabre> Minataku: can yu tell me which paragraph I was against ?
[01:24] <leo_> tm_t: great! thnks
[01:24] <Minataku> sobersabre: It was merely a warning, "learn english" is not an acceptible response to someone who can't speak english
[01:24] <Daisuke_Ido> sobersabre: telling someone to "learn english" is pretty closed-minded, especially when you could have pointed them to a channel in their native language.
[01:24] <Minataku> Thanks, Daisuke_Ido
[01:25] <leo_> i'm starting to like linux world... you're a great community!
[01:25] <jhutchins> sobersabre: You could also have simply said nothing, and waited for someone who understood the request to point them in the right direction.
[01:26] <sobersabre> jhutchins the man came in and said in polish: "anybody speaks polish?"
[01:26] <sobersabre> he had no technical questions.
[01:26] <Minataku> sobersabre: Right. And I pointed him to the Polish Ubuntu channel.
[01:26] <sobersabre> right.
[01:26] <Minataku> Via the bot trigger !pl
[01:26] <sobersabre> that was ok.
[01:26] <Minataku> You, on the other hand, told him to "learn english"
[01:26] <Daisuke_Ido> that was fine.  "learn english" was NOT.
[01:26] <jhutchins> sobersabre: Regardless, we try to be supportive and helpful, even to parochial Americans.
[01:26] <Minataku> The internet is a world network
[01:27] <sobersabre> and I have told him ( assuming he doesn't know english ): askdhjdf english
[01:27] <sobersabre> which means blabla english :)
[01:27] <Minataku> With people from all over said world
[01:27] <sobersabre> and this means not blabla polska
[01:27] <Daisuke_Ido> sobersabre: which you have no right to do
[01:27] <sobersabre> what ?
[01:27] <Daisuke_Ido> this IS a global community, not the US.
[01:27] <sobersabre> Daisuke_Ido: what are you talking about ?!
[01:27] <Minataku> Be respective of where people are from and the fact that different countries have different languages.
[01:27] <Daisuke_Ido> (as has already been pointed out)
[01:27] <sobersabre> Where was I disrespectful?!?!
[01:27] <jhutchins> Ah.  Israli.
[01:28] <Daisuke_Ido> "learn english, man" pretty much sums it up
[01:28] <Minataku> English is required in this channel, however mistreating people for not speaking it is not required, nor is it acceptible.
[01:28] <sobersabre> Daisuke_Ido: well, what does it sum up to ?!
[01:28] <Daisuke_Ido> you're rude.
[01:28] <Minataku> Okay, I smell a troll
[01:28] <sobersabre> Minataku: have I called the man some bad name ?!
[01:28] <Minataku> The odor is strong and unmistakeable
[01:28] <sobersabre> Minataku: I am no troll.
[01:28] <Daisuke_Ido> you disrespected him.
[01:28] <Minataku> Let's stop feeding it now
[01:28] <Daisuke_Ido> good idea
[01:29] <jhutchins> Yes.
[01:29] <sobersabre> let's drop the subj, and stop feeding the troll in me.
[01:29] <sobersabre> becaus when I see the pseudo-politically-correct virtuals... a troll grows in me :)
[01:30] <leo_> yeah, let's talk about something more interesting... i'm not native english speaker even... (i apoligize)
[01:30] <Minataku> leo_: Coulda fooled me
[01:30] <sobersabre> leo_: I am trying to talk to u
[01:30] <Minataku> In fact, you did
[01:30] <Minataku> I almost don't believe that you're NOT a native English speaker
[01:30] <Minataku> lol
[01:30] <sobersabre> Minataku: don't you notice his accent ?
[01:30] <sobersabre> :)
[01:31] <sobersabre> anyways, leo_ do you want to keep on the chan ?
[01:31] <sobersabre> leo_: if u connect it ... does your machine notice something has been connected ?
[01:32] <leo_> sobersabre: let me try again
[01:32] <sobersabre> you need to poll the system's logs
[01:32] <sobersabre> and see if the system writes there something related the reader.
[01:32] <leo_> sobersabre: it does nothing
[01:33] <sobersabre> can u run command lsusb ?
[01:33] <cntb> any ubunntu web admins here? I need hosting for  www.o2050108
[01:33] <sobersabre> as root ... e.g. via "sudo lsusb"
[01:33] <sobersabre> ?
[01:33] <leo_> sobersabre: let me see
[01:33] <sobersabre> no!
[01:33] <sobersabre> don't see!
[01:33] <sobersabre> don't look
[01:33] <sobersabre> ...
[01:34] <sobersabre> my english worsens and worsens.
[01:34] <cntb> any ubunntu web admins here? I need hosting for  www.ubuntu.co.il
[01:34] <leo_> sobersabre: what?
[01:34] <jhutchins> cntb: You'd probably want that to be somewhat local, no?
[01:34] <sobersabre> leo_: it is a joke.
[01:34] <leo_> sobersabre: ok
[01:35] <cntb> jhutchins, localized yeah but why local?
[01:35] <leo_> sobresabre: haha... i'm new in all this....
[01:35] <jhutchins> cntb: All else being equal, a server works better if it's physical location is closer to it's audience.
[01:35] <cntb> ok how do I find an ubuntu mirror in Israel?
[01:36] <sobersabre> cntb: mirimar.org.il
[01:36] <sobersabre> If I am not wrong.
[01:36] <sobersabre> cntb: you can install ubuntu, it knows how to find the mirror
[01:36] <sobersabre> cntb: what is your purpose ?
[01:36] <cntb> sobersabre, tyvm checking
[01:36] <cntb> purpose?
[01:37] <cntb>  room ubuntu-il
[01:37] <sobersabre> cntb: are you looking for a place to download it ?
[01:37] <jhutchins> !easysources | cntb
[01:37] <ubotu> cntb: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[01:37] <cntb> nope jhutchins language community fo mutual help
[01:38] <leo_> sobersabre: how long have u been using linux?
[01:38] <sobersabre> cntb: so have you setup freenode # named ubuntu-il ?
[01:38] <jhutchins> cntb: il.archive.ubuntu.com
[01:38] <sobersabre> leo_: since 1998
[01:38] <sobersabre> oops 1999
[01:39] <Minataku> We lack a Turkish channel... found that out the hard way last week or so
[01:40] <Minataku> lol
[01:40] <cntb> No match for "IL.ARCHIVE.UBUNTU.COM". in www.coolwhois.com
[01:41] <Minataku> [19:39:51]  il.archive.ubuntu.com has addresses 91.189.88.XXX ( 42, 40, 31 and 6 )
[01:41] <bigdad1e> whats the best linux to put on a laptop?
[01:41] <sobersabre> cntb: setup your dns :)
[01:41] <Minataku> Where XXX is one of the four values in parenthesis
[01:42] <jhutchins> cntb: It's essentially an alias on a round-robin DNS that points it to several severs.
[01:42] <sobersabre> leo_: so... what is your Q. ?
[01:43] <lettuce_> what's the KDE equivalent of Applications  System Tools  NTFS Configuration Tool?
[01:43] <sobersabre> lettuce_: fsck, mount, umount, mkfs
[01:43] <lettuce_> so i can't just get to it from the k menu?
[01:43] <bigdad1e> jhutchins: what is the most stable distro of linux for a laptop?
[01:44] <jhutchins> Debian's probably the most stable, but I don't know how good it's laptops support is.
[01:44] <sobersabre> lettuce_: if you are talking about gnome menu entries, KDE should also have them,
[01:44] <Minataku> sobersabre: That's the Unix equivalent XD
[01:44] <jhutchins> sobersabre: Perhaps you don't actually know about configuring NTFS settings?
[01:44] <Minataku> bigdad1e: Really, any is.
[01:44] <Minataku> Close your eyes and throw a dart
[01:44] <sobersabre> no. I don't.
[01:45] <lettuce_> ok
[01:45] <bigdad1e> i have put 3 different distros on my laptop but they are a pain to get wireless running with a broadcom card
[01:45] <jhutchins> !ntfs | lettuce_ - if that helps at all
[01:45] <ubotu> lettuce_ - if that helps at all: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[01:45] <Minataku> bigdad1e: Heh
[01:45] <Minataku> You're gonna have trouble with Linux PERIOD with one of those POSs
[01:45] <Minataku> Broadcom SUCKS.
[01:46] <leo_> sobersabre: how do i tell the system i'm the root so i can execute a command?
[01:46] <Minataku> Their firmware is needlessly encrypted for some retarded reason
[01:46] <jhutchins> lettuce_: What are you actually trying to configure.
[01:46] <jhutchins> ?
[01:46] <jhutchins> !sudo | leo
[01:46] <Minataku> I'd say get a good wireless card if possible
[01:46] <sobersabre> leo_: you can run sudo <your command>
[01:46] <jhutchins> !kdesu | leo
[01:46] <Minataku> Because that lousy Broadcom waste of parts is probably never going to work.
[01:46] <jhutchins> (bot overload).
[01:46] <ubotu> leo: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[01:46] <ubotu> leo: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[01:47] <bigdad1e> ya but its built in so what do i do?
[01:47] <Minataku> bigdad1e: If you want to go a step further, complain to Broadcom and the laptop manufacturer
[01:47] <Minataku> Tell them that closed systems are a bane on society and that you won't be buying from either again until they change their act
[01:47] <bigdad1e> what is 1 person to broadcom and dell? their cards are maid for windows :-(
[01:48] <jhutchins> bigdad1e: There's a chance you can swap the mini-pcmcia module for one that works better with linux.
[01:48] <sobersabre> bigdad1e: does your card have linux native driver or have you had to use ndiswrapper ?
[01:48] <bigdad1e> im gonna have to use ndiswrapper as soon as i fiure out how to do it
[01:48] <Minataku> sobersabre: It's some Broadcom POS, encrypted firmware, completely useless for any and all use whatsoever unless you're Joe Average running Windows without a clue or a care.
[01:49] <jhutchins> bigdad1e: When it works it's simple as can be.
[01:49] <leo_> sobersabre. great! it's done!
[01:49] <lettuce_> I have an NTFS partition that I want to have full acces to from kubuntu. I go to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions, it says to install ntfs-config package, but the package doesn't exist. I see a package called "ntfs-3g" and figure that that's the same thing or godd enough or something. I try and use the partition but I still can't edit it. It says that I need to go to
[01:49] <lettuce_> #
[01:49] <lettuce_> Applications  System Tools  NTFS Configuration Tool
[01:49] <lettuce_> #
[01:49] <sobersabre> leo_: what is done ? :)
[01:49] <sobersabre> i'm glad to help...
[01:49] <sobersabre> unless you're polish ;-)
[01:49] <Minataku> bigdad1e: I say complain anyway. Add your two cents onto the pile
[01:49] <bigdad1e> i have the windows drivers on cd but its getting it working with ndiswrapper thats agravating me
[01:49] <sobersabre> kidding
[01:49] <leo_> sobersabre: i mean, i could execute the command
[01:49] <jhutchins> bigdad1e: Install ndiswrapper-utils, locate the windows .inf files, ndiswrapper -i *.inf, ndiswrapper -m.
[01:49] <bigdad1e> i will
[01:50] <sobersabre> bigdad1e: sometimes the windows drivers come in an exec, but it is actually a zip or .cab file.
[01:50] <Minataku> jhutchins: Eh... might not work... this is a Dell/Broadcom power punch combo to the kidneys we're talking about here
[01:50] <jhutchins> lettuce_: Sorry, my Mandriva 2007.1 doesn't have that path.  WHat do you want to do?
[01:50] <bigdad1e> where would i find them?
[01:50] <sobersabre> you need to extract its contents.
[01:50] <sobersabre> and in it there are those inf files etc.
[01:50] <bigdad1e> but its on the dell cd
[01:50] <sobersabre> yes
[01:50] <kkerwin> Hi, I'd like to convert a .mov file to a .avi file; any ideas on what sort of program I should look in to?
[01:50] <sobersabre> well, load the cd, and copy the files to some writeable location
[01:51] <lettuce_> i just want to be able to fully use the partition that I have
[01:51] <sobersabre> kkerwin: try vlc
[01:51] <Minataku> Broadcom's probably got some agreement with Microsoft to make useless WinMACs to lock people in to Windows
[01:51] <Daisuke_Ido> whee, back up to 11gb free on my multimedia drive
[01:51] <kkerwin> sobersabre: Thanks. I will.
[01:51] <sobersabre> kkerwin: you will need quicktime dll's too
[01:51] <lettuce_> what can a reformat it to so that I can freely use it without having to install any packages or software?
[01:51] <bigdad1e> give me 1 sec
[01:51] <jhutchins> bigdad1e: The ndiswrapper homepage has links if you need to download them, you can usually get the driver from the manufacturer's site as well.
[01:51] <Briareos1> i have 3 PCI-E graphics-cards in my computer and want to have the screens next to each other in kde, but i get error messages and only one card works. all screens work, when i change the driver to "ati" - can anyone help?
[01:52] <Minataku> Briareos1: Woah, one ATI card is bad enough, but THREE?!
[01:52] <lettuce_> i hate ati
[01:52] <Minataku> Call the exorcist
[01:52] <facugaich> don't you guys know how to set the default resolution for the login screen?
[01:53] <Daisuke_Ido> i need a young priest and an old priest
[01:53] <MajorApus> why doens't quicktime work in firefox? i thought the restricted formats was supose to enable that
[01:53] <bigdad1e> the only files i see are exe and dll
[01:53] <facugaich> I think you need w32codecs MajorApus, not sure
[01:53] <sobersabre> bigdad1e: try to take the .exe file and try and extract it with unzip
[01:53] <Briareos1> minataku well ...
[01:54] <lettuce_> what partition format is accesable from both windows AND kubuntu?
[01:54] <Minataku> Extracting cabs requires something like cabextract
[01:54] <sobersabre> bigdad1e: I think you should read some of the documents they have for ndiswrapper...
[01:54] <sobersabre> you may use either unzip or cabextract.
[01:54] <bigdad1e> i will but thats easy ill save that for last
[01:54] <Minataku> bigdad1e: Try looking up the card's model and just downloading the driver from Dell or Broadcom
[01:54] <MajorApus> I have those facugaich
[01:54] <jhutchins> bigdad1e: You'll probably have to download the latest drivers from broadcom then.
[01:54] <leroy> so I reinstalled and then realized I had downloaded my emails and therefore lost them all... <insert explitive here>
[01:54] <leroy> jhutchins: what up?!
[01:54] <jhutchins> nmuch.
[01:55] <Minataku> MajorApus: Get something like the "MediaPlayerConnectivity" extension
[01:55] <Minataku> That's what I use
[01:55] <Minataku> It won't play things in the browser but it's better than playing nothing
[01:55] <Minataku> lol
[01:55] <bigdad1e> i will brb in a few i gotta change the ethernet from my desktop to laptop
[01:55] <cpk1> lettuce_: you can access ext3 from windows
[01:55] <jhutchins> leroy: I use imap so that doesn't happen, but too bad.
[01:56] <MajorApus> does it play quicktime?
[01:56] <cpk1> you just wont use journaling when you are accessing your ext3 partition from windows
[01:56] <Minataku> MajorApus: It doesn't play anything, it loads media links and such in apps that do
[01:56] <leroy> I would use imap but godaddy a) doesn't have b) is giving me 10MB
[01:57] <Minataku> So if you have something that plays Quicktime, then you just tell MPC to send the QT stuff to it
[01:57] <FeistyForge> http://e17.dunnewind.net/ubuntu/dists/feisty/e17/binary-i386/ hmm interesting repo for feisty.. from a distro called elbuntu (enlightenment windows manager)
[01:57] <leroy> I'm totally gonna make sure we get a proper MX... none of this hosting bovineexcrement
[01:57] <FeistyForge> I wonder if it has an elbuntu-desktop package :) rofl
[01:57] <sobersabre> Minataku: why did you hurt Briareos1?
[01:57] <Minataku> leroy: lol
[01:57] <sobersabre> I think somebody needs to read the coc...
[01:57] <Minataku> "Bovineexcrement" is pretty clever
[01:58] <lettuce_> ok, So If I have a partition with no OS that is formatted as ext3 I can add, delete. view , and do whatever with any type of file from both Windows AND kubuntu right?
[01:58] <MajorApus> wow that add on is amazing
[01:58] <Minataku> Hey, jhutchins, could you perhaps do some troll removal?
[01:58] <leroy> Minataku: gotta abide by the !language rules :-)
[01:58] <Minataku> leroy: Indeed :3
[01:58] <cpk1> lettuce_: yes, you just need to install the ext2 driver for windows on windows
[01:59] <cpk1> or, he can not wait for an answer...
[01:59] <Minataku> 10% he never comes back, 20% he comes back and doesn't miss a beat, 70% he comes back and says "Oops, wrong button"
[01:59] <Minataku> Or something similar
[01:59] <Daisuke_Ido> why in god's name would you use the hack of an ext2 driver in windows when you can just use a vfat partition and be done with it?
[02:00] <leroy> grrrr.... I really have to only install things at the cafeneto.... I got firefox downloaded and installed in 1.5 minutes... ~150KBPS... god I hate this country sometimes
[02:00] <Minataku> Daisuke_Ido: VFAT is limited to 32GB, at least when done from inside Windows
[02:00] <sobersabre> Daisuke_Ido: .. maybe for permissions you don't have on vfat...
[02:00] <chemicalvamp> im having crashes (freeving up) i think amule might be to blame...
[02:00] <Daisuke_Ido> sobersabre: no talkie until your iq rises above 5
[02:00] <Daisuke_Ido> Minataku: fair enough
[02:00] <cpk1> because ext can have larger file size
[02:01] <Daisuke_Ido> speaking from experience, ext in windows is more of a pain than it's worth
[02:01] <leo_> why do i have to tell the system i'm the root every time i need to do something!?
[02:01] <Minataku> Face it, all those Windows FSs suck donkey... hair
[02:01] <cpk1> I havent had any problems with the ext driver in windows
[02:01] <Daisuke_Ido> leo_: because that's how ubuntu is designed
[02:01] <leroy> Minataku: don't forget 90% he comes back and says "Stupid POS ISP"... at least thats my excuse
[02:01] <sobersabre> leo_: this is not exactly true....
[02:01] <Minataku> leroy: Ah, yes, add that to my existing 100%
[02:01] <leroy> leo_: security
[02:01] <Briareos1> anoyone knows what that could mean: (EE) fglrx(1): Invalid video BIOS signature!
[02:01] <Minataku> Sure, it makes 190%
[02:01] <Minataku> But who cares
[02:01] <sobersabre> leo_: you can login as root for some time: sudo su -
[02:01] <Minataku> lol
[02:02] <leroy> Minataku: what?  you never played fallout?
[02:02] <sobersabre> but usually u don't want to run as root for long.
[02:02] <leo_> daisuke_ldo: ok... but i'm already logged in as the root!
[02:02] <Minataku> Root is an account reserved ONLY for system maintenance tasks
[02:02] <cpk1> a lot of the time I leave a konsole logged in as root =P
[02:02] <jhutchins> Hey, I had to troubleshoot a wireless connection in XP over the last two days.  Finally just bought a new card and that fixed.  It's really no easier there.
[02:02] <leroy> leo_: if you are root then there's no need to put in a password...
[02:02] <Minataku> If it has nothing to do with system maintenance, DO NOT DO IT AS ROOT
[02:02] <jhutchins> Briareos1: I'm guessing it means you have the wrong drivers for your model card.
[02:03] <facugaich> My kubuntu isn't able to properly shutdown the pc, anyone knows anything? acpi maybe?
[02:03] <leroy> bottom line: never use root unless you are doing maintenance
[02:03] <Minataku> facugaich: What are you doing to shut it down?
[02:03] <sobersabre> Briareos1: you better run lspci and paste it into pastebin site.
[02:03] <Minataku> leroy: That's what I said
[02:03] <leroy> facugaich: I know there are/were some acpi problems... can't know for sure without more info
[02:03] <Daisuke_Ido> or if you want to replicate the windows "admin-by-default-oh-no-i-just-hosed-everything" experience
[02:03] <jhutchins> It probably wouldn't hurt to read the sudo and kdesu info pages.  There's more to it than just not using root.
[02:04] <jhutchins> !sudo
[02:04] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[02:04] <Minataku> I know there are a few things that sudo can't cover
[02:04] <jhutchins> !kdesu
[02:04] <ubotu> In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[02:04] <Minataku> Though most of the people who use *buntu probably aren't going to run into them
[02:04] <jhutchins> ubuntu is trying to get people behind a new approach that's more unix-like than running as root.
[02:04] <leo_> leroy: i guess i'm not the root then.. 'cos i tried to modify a system conf file with kedit and it didnt let me do it
[02:05] <leroy> leo_: if you didn't explicitly log in as user "root" you aren't root :-)
[02:05] <jhutchins> leo_: See above and use kdesu kate to edit it.
[02:05] <sobersabre> Minataku: what can''t sudo cover ? ( I mean console apps )
[02:05] <facugaich> Minataku: I do it through Kmenu
[02:05] <leroy> or sudo nano :-)
[02:05] <jhutchins> In fact, if you haven't unlocked the root account, you aren't root.
[02:05] <Briareos1> http://pastebin.ca/460300
[02:05] <Daisuke_Ido> first user created != root
[02:05] <leroy> and you shouldn't unlock root, imo
[02:05] <facugaich> Minataku: I guess the option is called "Turn off" (I have it in spanish)
[02:05] <Minataku> facugaich: Hm...
[02:05] <Minataku> facugaich: How old is the system?
[02:05] <jhutchins> sobersabre: sudo occasionally breaks down when running scripts and things like ruby and python.
[02:06] <leroy> its so good to finally have a working wireless card....
[02:06] <Minataku> jhutchins: Changing run-time kernel parameters also fails
[02:06] <Briareos1> jhutchins: its 3 times exactly the same model (and same xorg.conf options set) - but only one comes up ...
[02:06] <BluesKaj> ya know .... my root is very unused lately and it's getting really boring  :)
[02:06] <Minataku> I know at the very least you can't change the max RTC user frequency via sudo
[02:06] <sven> Hallo
[02:06] <facugaich> Minataku: you mean the machine? late 2001
[02:06] <sobersabre> jhutchins what do you mean "occasionally breaks down" ? :)
[02:06] <jhutchins> Briareos1: I'm afraid I'm not familiar with multi-card configurations, but I'm pretty sure it's possible.
[02:07] <sven> ist jemand aus deutshland da ?
[02:07] <Minataku> You have to actually be at a root shell to echo the setting in
[02:07] <Minataku> !de | sven
[02:07] <ubotu> sven: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[02:07] <jhutchins> sobersabre: I mean it fails to pass the correct permissions to subroutines, essentially.  It fails.
[02:07] <sobersabre> sven: bitte gehen nach #ubuntu-de
[02:07] <MajorApus> minataku anyway to force it to stream properly?
[02:07] <Minataku> facugaich: Hm......
[02:07] <sobersabre> jhutchins, this means you're not using it correctly.
[02:07] <sven> i kan't
[02:07] <sobersabre> :)
[02:07] <Minataku> That might be an indication, that's a bit old
[02:08] <facugaich> Minataku: It worked with Ubuntu Breezy and Dapper though
[02:08] <leroy> kubuntu.com is down?
[02:08] <MajorApus> is there a media player that doens't suck for video?
[02:08] <Minataku> MajorApus: I use VLC
[02:08] <sobersabre> you don't use exec(sudo) in C. you use some other programmatic means for that... I think.
[02:08] <MajorApus> Minataku: yeah it cant play this file worth crap
[02:08] <Minataku> Which streams rather well
[02:08] <BluesKaj> I"m pissed at feisty for shutting down my soundcard pcm out and there doesn't seem to be a fix :(
[02:08] <jhutchins> leroy: Looks like.
[02:08] <leroy> good... not just me then
[02:08] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: Revert to the earlier kernel?
[02:09] <Minataku> facugaich: I don't know if there's an ACPI cutoff set in the default *buntu kernel
[02:09] <PerfectStranger_> morning all
[02:09] <sobersabre> sven: was kannst du nicht?
[02:09] <leroy> here's a little query... anybody got ies4linux working?
[02:09] <Daisuke_Ido> leroy: yep, what do you want to know?
[02:09] <sven> thanx
[02:09] <Minataku> It could be that the kernel distributed with 7.04 has this adjusted and your system falls outside it now
[02:09] <Daisuke_Ido> other than i wished i could claw my eyes out, and then removed it VERY quickly
[02:10] <leroy> Daisuke_Ido: I recently tried it using the wine package, didn't seem to be enough... what wine did you install?
[02:10] <Minataku> facugaich: Do you have a /proc/acpi ?
[02:10] <Daisuke_Ido> the latest available from the budgetdedicated repo
[02:10] <PerfectStranger_> QUERY.....want to log my dsl conection  to my isp ..any programm out there
[02:10] <leroy> Daisuke_Ido: and how did you install it?  compiled from source?
[02:10] <Daisuke_Ido> .35 i believe
[02:10] <leroy> ahhh... budgetdedicated repo?  www.budgetdedicated.com/ubuntu feisty ?
[02:10] <Daisuke_Ido> uh, there's no compilation, it's just a script that wgets and installs
[02:10] <Daisuke_Ido> leroy: yep
[02:10] <BluesKaj> jhutchins , it was working in feisty beta and was turned off by Idon't know what, when i upgraded to the "official release"
[02:10] <jarn> After upgrading to Feisty, I have two problems. First, X seems to be ignoring my config file and won't let me raise my refresh rate past 54, even though I can set it higher. Second, anything download through kget gets REALLY slow rates.
[02:11] <leroy> Daisuke_Ido: cheers
[02:11] <leroy> Daisuke_Ido: any key?
[02:11] <facugaich> Minataku: no
[02:11] <Daisuke_Ido> err, there probably is, but i don't know it off the top of my head
[02:11] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: See if there's an earlier kernel available, that's where the driers that affect that are.
[02:11] <Minataku> facugaich: Ah, we're getting somewhere
[02:11] <Daisuke_Ido> oh, hold on a sec
[02:11] <facugaich> Minataku: reboot seems to work fine though
[02:11] <gemidjy1> is kubuntu.org down in general or it is something up to me?
[02:11] <Minataku> facugaich: You lack ACPI
[02:11] <leroy> yea... budgetdedicated.com/ubuntu doesn't exist
[02:11] <sobersabre> ok, guys enjoy the life, I'm off.
[02:11] <Daisuke_Ido> leroy: http://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb
[02:11] <jhutchins> Yes kubuntu.org is failing to respond right now.
[02:11] <leroy> gemidjy1: its down
[02:12] <gemidjy1> ok
[02:12] <Minataku> facugaich: Check your dmesg for complaining about ACPI, perhaps
[02:12] <Daisuke_Ido> hallelujah
[02:13] <leroy> Daisuke_Ido: do you know anything about DirectX support with wine?
[02:13] <leroy> Daisuke_Ido: I'd like to install MYST, but it requires > DX6.1
[02:13] <facugaich> Minataku: "ACPI: Disabling ACPI support"
[02:13] <Minataku> facugaich: Ding ding ding, we have a weiner
[02:13] <Minataku> Anything about APM?
[02:13] <Daisuke_Ido> leroy: *actually* i've been praying for the ability to play myst for a while now
[02:14] <Daisuke_Ido> wait a sec
[02:14] <Daisuke_Ido> myst requires dx 6.1?
[02:14] <leroy> Daisuke_Ido: lol... I'll have a look, then :-)
[02:14] <Daisuke_Ido> quicktime, yes
[02:14] <Minataku> The lack of ACPI this kernel probably explains everything
[02:14] <facugaich> Minataku: apm: BIOS not found.
[02:15] <Minataku> facugaich: Ah. Your BIOS is ACPI only, no APM.
[02:15] <jhutchins> apic perhaps?
[02:15] <leroy> lol... stupid new install... just realized I'm not using my nick!
[02:15] <Minataku> It's probably beyond what they set the cutoff for in the default kernel
[02:15] <BluesKaj> hey leroy, get a windows partition :)
[02:15] <Minataku> Which is why ACPI was disabled on boot
[02:15] <epimeth> BluesKaj: I have one
[02:15] <Minataku> Either that or a boot option was passed to manually disable it for some reason
[02:15] <facugaich> Minataku: Does that mean there's nothing I can do?
[02:16] <Minataku> facugaich: Well... you can compile your own, but that's probably a bit daunting
[02:16] <epimeth> BluesKaj: whats that got to do with it?
[02:16] <facugaich> here it says something about apic
[02:16] <Minataku> For now, check your /boot/grub/menu.lst and check for "noacpi"
[02:16] <Minataku> APIC has nothing to do with this
[02:16] <Minataku> Completely different
[02:16] <BluesKaj> epimeth, then use windows... wine is too buggy
[02:16] <facugaich> it's no a typo then :P
[02:17] <Minataku> Nope
[02:17] <Minataku> APIC is Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller
[02:17] <compilerwriter> jhutchins inelikey and I have tried to deal with the most annoying issue.  I have for some reason a problem with the Monitor and Display Module.
[02:17] <epimeth> BluesKaj: way to defeat the purpose :-p
[02:17] <Minataku> ACPI is Advanced Configuration and Power Interface
[02:17] <facugaich> APM Advance Power Management?
[02:17] <Minataku> facugaich: You got it
[02:18] <Minataku> Well, you're short a "d"
[02:18] <Minataku> But close enough :3
[02:18] <MajorApus> minataku im trying to download quicktime trialers
[02:18] <MajorApus> but it will only stream them, which results in a pause ever 5 seconds
[02:18] <MajorApus> and if I pause it it wont continue downloading
[02:18] <compilerwriter> jhutchings the thing will not function because of either a crapped out kde upgrade or some third party modules lying around.  intelikey had me reinstall kconfigure and that didn't seem to help.  What to do next?
[02:18] <facugaich> yeah, that was a typo. My menu.lst says nothing about "noacpi"
[02:18] <BluesKaj> the purpose is to dump windows ...it's like quitting smoking ,...there's no half way cure... unfortunately I still need windows :( ..so why bother with wine.
[02:19] <Minataku> MajorApus: Sorry, considering mine works properly, I don't know how I can help you.
[02:19] <epimeth> Minataku: whats with the :3?  you a cat or something?
[02:19] <Minataku> epimeth: Would it be a problem with you if I was?
[02:19] <Minataku> lol
[02:19] <MuJ> :3 looks like dr. zoidberg
[02:19] <epimeth> Minataku: that depends... male or female?  I've got a thing for furries :-o
[02:19] <Minataku> epimeth: Male, but this is hardly the place for that
[02:20] <Minataku> X3
[02:20] <MajorApus> minataku, what do you mean "works properly" you mean your bandwidth allows you to stream without paues? or you can download it, im asking how to download it
[02:20] <epimeth> #kubuntu-furry-pr0n
[02:20] <epimeth> :-)
[02:20] <Minataku> rofl
[02:20] <facugaich> Minataku: So... there's nothing else I can do besides recompiling kernel? Cause I'll do it... I'm not gonna spend the next 5 1/2 months turning off my computer manually
[02:20] <Minataku> facugaich: Yeah, you could compile your own, but I think there's some things you have to do that Kubuntu wants so it can keep itself from getting confused
[02:21] <Minataku> !kernel
[02:21] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[02:21] <Minataku> There we go... I hope
[02:22] <epimeth> so whats this I hear about Cedega SVN  being free? anybody try it out?
[02:22] <facugaich> Minataku: Ok, thank you very much. Don't you happen to know how to change the default resolution of the login screen?
[02:22] <Minataku> compilerwriter: Thanks
[02:22] <Minataku> facugaich: X11's login screen, right?
[02:22] <Minataku> Or the VTs?
[02:22] <facugaich> Minataku: X11
[02:23] <facugaich> epimeth: Yeah, CVS Cedega is free, though you have to compile it yourself. There a bash script called WineCVS.sh that does everything for you. I wasn't able to make it work though
[02:23] <leo_> how do i refer to a partition in a SATA disk? sda4 for e.g.?
[02:23] <BluesKaj> compilerwriter: ..wake up!
[02:23] <Minataku> Isn't the Cedega CVS missing things?
[02:23] <epimeth> facugaich: hrm... I'm a programmer, I should be able to get it running :-)
[02:23] <Minataku> Like, important chunks of stuff?
[02:23] <Minataku> lol
[02:23] <Daisuke_Ido> Minataku: copy protection stuff
[02:23] <compilerwriter> I am away BluesKaj
[02:24] <compilerwriter> s/away/awake
[02:24] <BluesKaj> compilerwriter: do you play bass?.. we need a bass player
[02:24] <evfreshman2025> can someone help me install the latest version of whatever is needed to plau Youtube videos
[02:25] <facugaich> epimeth: hey, I'm a programmer too
[02:25] <os2mac> anyone got a line on a good Katapult plugin repository?
[02:25] <Minataku> !flash | evfreshman2025
[02:25] <ubotu> evfreshman2025: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[02:25] <os2mac> !katapult
[02:25] <ubotu> katapult is the new application launcher for KDE, to be used with applications, bookmarks, and Amarok playlists. Once you have installed, hit Alt+f2 -> katapult, then hit Alt+Space, and type what you want.
[02:25] <Minataku> Ignore the extra triggers, just use the instruction link
[02:25] <compilerwriter> BluesKaj my musical instruments are violin, a little viola, and I am a fallen tenor, ie baritone.
[02:25] <Minataku> As if you have a choice because someone else decided to use Flash
[02:25] <compilerwriter> Any more I get to play the heavy.
[02:26] <compilerwriter> Except in Carmen.
[02:26] <leo_> HELP!! how do i refer to a partition in a SATA disk? sda4 for e.g.?
[02:26] <BluesKaj> geezus  compilerwriter, I'm just a rocknroll drummer ...I won't ask again :)
[02:27] <Daisuke_Ido> leo_: sd* is usually the way to go, yes
[02:27] <leo_> Daisuke_ldo: thanks!
[02:29] <ses1959_> question about adding programs to menu I installed some packages that do not show on the menu
[02:29] <soulrider> !grub
[02:29] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[02:30] <soulrider> ses1959_: open a console adn type in the name
[02:30] <soulrider> what programs are them ?
[02:30] <ses1959_> sane
[02:30] <ses1959_> disk formater
[02:30] <soulrider> uhm
[02:30] <soulrider> isnt it a library?
[02:30] <compilerwriter>  Whats wrong BluesKaj you don
[02:30] <soulrider> !info sane
[02:30] <ubotu> sane: scanner graphical frontends. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.14-1 (feisty), package size 103 kB, installed size 324 kB
[02:31] <soulrider> ses1959_: type sane in a console
[02:31] <compilerwriter> 't have an appreciation for Symphonies or Opera?
[02:31] <leo_> can't believe it! i was able to mount a NTFS partition!!! thanks!!
[02:31] <ses1959_> thank you
[02:31] <ses1959_> i will need to do each package sep then no way to add all at once then
[02:32] <ses1959_> leo how did you mount ntfs volume
[02:32] <epimeth> !ntfs
[02:32] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[02:32] <epimeth> !ntfs-3g
[02:32] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[02:32] <PerfectStranger_> help......want to keep a log of the internet connection ....having issues with my isp ......broadband is not allways on as supposed to be
[02:32] <BluesKaj> I like some classical music ,(parents loved it ) , but my tastes lean more to the blues and rock
[02:33] <leo_> ses1959_: very simple! following these instructions: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[02:33] <soulrider> ses1959_: 99% of the times youi get a meny entry automatically
[02:33] <ses1959_> leo thank you i will be reading them
[02:33] <epimeth> soulrider: not for knetwalk you don't :-)
[02:34] <epimeth> ses1959_: what about me? :-(
[02:34] <ses1959_> sorry
[02:34] <compilerwriter> Holy Christ the blackhole option on my mail server must have crapped out again.  I have 10232 messages that are deemed to be spam and 20232 in my inbox.
[02:34] <ses1959_> i have been trying to mount ntfs for a week and the links look to be a big help
[02:34] <epimeth> black hole sun
[02:34] <epimeth> won't you come?
[02:34] <epimeth> and wash away the pain?
[02:34] <epimeth> black hole sun
[02:34] <ses1959_> thank you for the menu info that will help also
[02:35] <soulrider> is there a way to remove GRUB fromt he MBR of one of my drives?
[02:35] <_4strO> epimeth: which song is that ?
[02:35] <soulrider> black hole sun
[02:35] <epimeth> _4strO: black hole sun
[02:35] <soulrider> by soundgarden
[02:35] <epimeth> lol
[02:35] <_4strO> lol artist name ?
[02:35] <_4strO> soudgarden that's it !
[02:35] <soulrider> soundgarden :)
[02:37] <Daisuke_Ido> may they rest in peace
[02:38] <Daisuke_Ido> and may chris cornell stop the horrible blasphemy he's thrust upon the world...
[02:39] <PerfectStranger_> totally lost here folks
[02:39] <epimeth> PerfectStranger_: then you've come to the right place
[02:39] <epimeth> we've got maps like you wouldn't believe!
[02:39] <PerfectStranger_> ty epimeth
[02:40] <Daisuke_Ido> "like this map detailing how you can walk to the moon!" "i don't believe it" "see?"
[02:40] <epimeth> what you want to do is take a left onto blikenstein and go all the way to route 4 north, then go straight till you hit albequoirky
[02:40] <epimeth> or however thats spelled...
[02:41] <epimeth> bugs bunny will let you know where to go from there :-)
[02:41] <elijahlofgren> Do you guys think that http://kubuntu.org/ being down might be why the upgrade wizard is just closing and not working for me?
[02:41] <PerfectStranger_> ok basically installed ubuntu dapper drake about 3 weeks ago and yes been having fun with it but  now find i need some way of creating a log of when my  broadband connection is on  or off line
[02:42] <epimeth> elijahlofgren: nope... your sources should be ubuntu.com ones
[02:42] <jbasilio> hiya.  anyone burn any cd's with k3b and feisty?
[02:42] <epimeth> elijahlofgren: what happens when you try running $sudo apt-get update
[02:42] <aaroncampbell> I'm on Kubuntu Feisty, and I can't seem to print from Eclipse (I think it doesn't see any printers)...and I get the same problem with Zend Studio (another Java app).  I *can* print from other applications, like Firefox and Thunderbird.
[02:43] <elijahlofgren> epimeth: would you recommend just ugrade via console instead of the GUI updater?
[02:43] <soulrider> guys, is there a way to remove GRUB fromt he MBR of one of my hard drives?
[02:43] <Daisuke_Ido> jbasilio: yessirreebob, i love me some k3b.  now whatchaneed?
[02:43] <soulrider> PerfectStranger_: theres probably a log somehere, most likely in /var/log
[02:43] <jbasilio> Daisuke_Ido: i love it too.  but i'm getting errors now and they are filling up my logs.  hdc: status error: status=0x58
[02:43] <Daisuke_Ido> jbasilio: i'm relatively sane now.  yes?
[02:43] <epimeth> elijahlofgren: exactly what I said....I prefer to upgrade via console and install via adept or aptitude... its a personal thing tho
[02:43] <elijahlofgren> epimeth: everything works (still have edgy repos right now)
[02:43] <jbasilio> Daisuke_Ido: ide: failed opcode was: unknown
[02:44] <epimeth> elijahlofgren: you trying to upgrade to feisty?
[02:44] <jbasilio> Daisuke_Ido: hdc: drive not ready for command
[02:44] <Daisuke_Ido> ooh, sounds like your drive isn't very happy
[02:44] <PerfectStranger_> cool soulrider will go check thanks
[02:44] <Minataku> jbasilio: Ooooh... that's bad
[02:44] <jbasilio> Daisuke_Ido: right.  :)
[02:44] <elijahlofgren> epimeth: yes, I guess I'll just change th repos to fiest and do a dist-upgrade and hope for the best.
[02:44] <jbasilio> Minataku: yeah?  i can read from the drive fine .. i ripped a cd using grip
[02:44] <Daisuke_Ido> Arwen: thanks for ditching me :P  what was your issue with digikam again?  something about resolution?
[02:44] <Minataku> jbasilio: Hm
[02:44] <Minataku> Wait
[02:44] <jbasilio> Minataku: but when burning with k3b i'm getting those errors .. and TONS of them until i reboot
[02:44] <Arwen> Daisuke_Ido, lol, yeah, digikam doesn't report image resolution
[02:45] <Minataku> Hm
[02:45] <epimeth> PerfectStranger_: hmmm... you can create a cronjob script that writes to a file the results of a ping of your dns maybe?
[02:45] <Daisuke_Ido> there's a setting to do so :)
[02:45] <Daisuke_Ido> unless i'm missing something
[02:45] <epimeth> elijahlofgren: exactly what I was thinking
[02:46] <leo_> have you watched the YouTube videos of linux 3D desktops?
[02:46] <epimeth> leo_: beryl or compiz?
[02:46] <epimeth> leo_: doesn't matter... both are cool :-)
[02:46] <PerfectStranger_> epimeth: my problem is I have never used any other prog other than xp in the past and do not know how to  use a command prompt etc
[02:46] <Arwen> Daisuke_Ido, no no, I turned it on but it's still blank
[02:46] <MajorApus> i have a drive mounted as -rw, can someone explain this, when i try and delete an empty folder I get this erro "Could not write to file /mount/data2/.Trash-1000/info/New Folder.trashinfo."
[02:46] <Daisuke_Ido> ooh
[02:46] <_4strO> leo_:  ? for what
[02:47] <_4strO> leo_: i have it on my screen :p
[02:47] <leo_> epimeth: yeah, i dont remember, but it was really cool
[02:48] <epimeth> PerfectStranger_: so here's the question... do you *want* to do it over the command line or do you want to use the GUI?
[02:48] <leo_> _4str0: where can i get info for installing it??
[02:48] <_4strO> leo_: what's your video card ?
[02:48] <PerfectStranger_> epimeth:  Which ever is easiest
[02:49] <leo_> (im getting tired of the kubuntu default theme)
[02:49] <Daisuke_Ido> i can't believe i'm installing krita, but it's slightly easier than the gimp
[02:49] <leo_> _4str0: asus geforce 6100 256mb
[02:49] <Daisuke_Ido> leo_: feisty?
[02:50] <_4strO> leo_: type 'glxinfo | grep render' in a console
[02:50] <leo_> Daisuke_ldo: no, edgy
[02:50] <epimeth> PerfectStranger_: they are both equally easy... most people would suggest that you get comfortable with the console, but its totally up to you
[02:50] <_4strO> leo_: have you direct rendering: Yes ?
[02:51] <Arwen> Daisuke_Ido, bah, nothing is better than GIMP :-)
[02:51] <Arwen> well, Photoshop is, but that's not free
[02:51] <FOSSR0CKS-> Photoshop sux and Adobe sux even more
[02:51] <epimeth> FOSSR0CKS-: oh come on...  photoshop is a great program
[02:52] <houmala_01> GIMP
[02:52] <leo_> _4str0: oops... nop :(
[02:52] <FOSSR0CKS-> Gimp Rocks!
[02:52] <Tm_T> oh come on, this is not a place for flamewar
[02:52] <Tm_T> so stop it
[02:52] <FOSSR0CKS-> lol
[02:52] <Arwen> FOSSR0CKS-, I won't repeat myself - don't bash stuff just because it's not free
[02:52] <_4strO> leo_: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu/Edgy/nVIDIA
[02:52] <FOSSR0CKS-> meh
[02:52] <leo_> _4str0: guess i'll have to buy a new video card!
[02:52] <PerfectStranger_> epimeth:  console will be fine  may as well learn  but have no idea where to start  ....intend leaving the pc turned on and hopefully in a few days when I take the issue up with my isp   have a log to show them that my connection has been coming and going
[02:53] <_4strO> leo_: maybe no
[02:53] <soulrider> Tm_T: you got any idea if ic an remove grub from one of my drives' MBT ?
[02:53] <soulrider> MBR*
[02:53] <FOSSR0CKS-> Arwen - ok its a non-issue to me cuz i use gimp
[02:53] <_4strO> !beryl
[02:53] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[02:54] <Arwen> FOSSR0CKS-, I do too, but Photoshop is better if you need the features
[02:54] <leo_> _4str0: thanks, i'll read the page
[02:54] <epimeth> !cron > PerfectStranger_
[02:54] <Tm_T> soulrider: hmm, sorry, no idea :/
[02:54] <soulrider> ok
[02:54] <FOSSR0CKS-> Arwen - I guess but that may change in time =p
[02:54] <soulrider> how ca i copy it at least?
[02:54] <soulrider> fromt he drive im using to the other one
[02:54] <_4strO> leo_: there are some ubuntu pages probably better ... just googling a littke
[02:54] <epimeth> PerfectStranger_: now what you need to do is write a script that pings your isp... its very simple, two lines of code :-)
[02:54] <epimeth> first line: #!/bin/bash
[02:54] <Arwen> FOSSR0CKS-, perhaps, CS 1 was better than any of the newer Photoshops
[02:55] <epimeth> second line: ping YOUR.ISP.IP.ADDRESS >> pinglog.txt
[02:55] <ses1959_> sorry for being dense i found kde menu editor and picked new item but could not find the exe I know that is windows but this is my first linux box
[02:55] <FOSSR0CKS-> Arwen - I think the development model of FOSS produces rapid innovation and time will tell
[02:55] <Daisuke_Ido> Arwen: so what have you settled on for image management
[02:56] <PerfectStranger_> thanks epimeth ...note book open here
[02:56] <_4strO> !wine
[02:56] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[02:56] <Arwen> Daisuke_Ido, digikam, even with the bug it's better than anything else
[02:56] <Arwen> FOSSR0CKS-, in some areas more than others
[02:56] <Tm_T> !offtopic
[02:56] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[02:57] <FOSSR0CKS-> oh god
[02:57] <Tm_T> FOSSR0CKS-: yes?
[02:57] <FOSSR0CKS-> Anyone here use an Ipod with Kubuntu?
[02:57] <epimeth> PerfectStranger_: you can call the file myisppinger.sh ... thats the name of the application you run with cron
[02:57] <_4strO> ^^
[02:57] <dangaio> is there a channel that can help me with kdevelop?
[02:57] <FOSSR0CKS-> Tm-T - you are god? lol
[02:57] <Arwen> FOSSR0CKS-, amarok can do ipods :-)
[02:57] <Arwen> or you can make your ipod f/oss
[02:57] <ardchoille> How do I configure gkrellm to auto-start when I log into Kubuntu? Is this configured in kcontrol?
[02:57] <Tm_T> FOSSR0CKS-: yes I am
[02:58] <zx_> hak
[02:58] <FOSSR0CKS-> Arwen - What do you do for itunes then?
[02:58] <Arwen> FOSSR0CKS-, I don't, iTunes is DRMed
[02:58] <_4strO> ardchoille: in ~/.kde/Autostart
[02:58] <epimeth> Arwen: not with feisty out of the box... do you know how I can get my automounting (I'm assuming its hald) to mount to /mnt/ipod instead of /media/MYIPODNAME ?
[02:58] <FOSSR0CKS-> Arwen - neither do I
[02:58] <MajorApus> how do I set my machine up to accept ssh
[02:58] <ardchoille> _4strO: Put a symlink in there?
[02:58] <Arwen> epimeth, err, no idea - lol
[02:59] <_4strO> ardchoille: just create a file who will launch gkrellm
[02:59] <FOSSR0CKS-> Arwen - I just converted my friend to Kubuntu and he has a Ipod and I don't know what he should do cuz his wife is all about itunes
[02:59] <epimeth> PerfectStranger_: you can also have the cronjob be "ping YOUR.ISP.IP.ADDRESS >> pinglog.txt"
[02:59] <epimeth> PerfectStranger_: its up to you :-)
[02:59] <ardchoille> _4strO: Ah, ok, thank you
[02:59] <Arwen> FOSSR0CKS-, um... give up?
[02:59] <FOSSR0CKS-> I am not buying any lame ipod until DRM is history
[02:59] <Arwen> once they're hooked on iTunes, it's all over
[02:59] <_4strO> ardchoille: dont forget to chmod a+x the file ;)
[02:59] <Arwen> leave em in their own corner
[02:59] <ardchoille> _4strO: Got it :)
[02:59] <Tm_T> FOSSR0CKS-: ardchoille you're again slipping to offtopic
[03:00] <epimeth> FOSSR0CKS-: you can always rockbox it
[03:00] <epimeth> !rockbox > FOSSR0CKS-
[03:00] <Tm_T> Arwen: even
[03:00] <FOSSR0CKS-> true dat
[03:00] <ardchoille> Tm_T: ?
[03:00] <Arwen> Tm_T, eh?
[03:00] <Daisuke_Ido> and you can always load your own mp3s on it, no drm
[03:00] <Tm_T> ardchoille: my mistake, carry on ;)
[03:00] <FOSSR0CKS-> yah thats what I got all 400gigs
[03:00] <ardchoille> Tm_T: Aye
[03:00] <Arwen> hmm, true, better get back ontopic
[03:01] <Arwen> Daisuke_Ido, hehe, or your own AACs :-)
[03:01] <FOSSR0CKS-> yeah no meandering around .... related topics too things like kubuntu
[03:01] <FOSSR0CKS-> lol
[03:01] <Tm_T> Arwen: FOSSR0CKS-: feel free to come to #kubuntu-offtopic
[03:01] <_4strO> !autostart | ardchoille
[03:01] <ubotu> ardchoille: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[03:02] <_4strO> :p i just remeber the bot have something about it
[03:02] <epimeth> Arwen: does the rockbox firmware support iTunes or redchair's software?  or will it only work in linux?
[03:02] <Tm_T> MajorApus: install ssh-server
[03:02] <Arwen> epimeth, redchair? but no, it doesn't play DRM if that's what you're asking
[03:02] <ardchoille> _4strO: Ah hah Thank you  for that.. I'll install it now :)
[03:03] <MajorApus> Tm_T: I have,
[03:03] <Tm_T> MajorApus: and you have port open/forwarded?
[03:03] <epimeth> Arwen: not asking about DRM... asking about connectivity with iTunes or www.redchairsoftware.com 's program
[03:03] <PerfectStranger_> ok epimeth have the links and those lines of code yopu gave me ....heading off to go try it out ...thank you ever so much
[03:03] <Arwen> epimeth, oh... no idea
[03:03] <MajorApus> Tm_T: yes
[03:03] <epimeth> PerfectStranger_: no worries :-)
[03:03] <MajorApus> Tm_T: do I need to re-login for ssh server to "start"
[03:04] <Tm_T> MajorApus: hmm, iirc no
[03:04] <epimeth> MajorApus: no, you just have to restart the service
[03:04] <Tm_T> MajorApus: try "sudo /etc/init.d/ssh restart"
[03:04] <epimeth> ummm.... I think its $sudo /etc/init.d/ssh restart
[03:04] <Tm_T> epimeth: slow ;)
[03:05] <epimeth> damnit!
[03:05] <epimeth> :-)
[03:05] <Tm_T> !ohmy | epimeth
[03:05] <ubotu> epimeth: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[03:05] <Tm_T> ] ;=
[03:05] <intelikey> well my "run-parts" command is totally hosed on dapper 6.6 (LTS)
[03:05] <epimeth> Tm_T: we're considering d-it offensive these days?  okay :-)
[03:05] <MajorApus> putty stalls out when trying to ssh
[03:05] <intelikey>  http://pastebin.ca/460415   <<<<  anyone want to confirm that theres is working or also hosed.
[03:06] <epimeth> Tm_T: I came up with bovineexcrement to cover for naughtyness earlier... the lurkers seemed to enjoy it :-)
[03:06] <ardchoille> _4strO: kcontrol-autostart worked perfectly :D
[03:06] <Tm_T> epimeth: nah, just fooling around
[03:06] <MajorApus> tm_t: I just realized my ip isn't even pingable
[03:06] <soulrider> hey intelikey
[03:06] <Tm_T> MajorApus: (:
[03:07] <soulrider> havnt seen you ina  couple of days
[03:07] <intelikey> soulrider .
[03:07] <Tm_T> intelikey: soulrider: kids
[03:07] <soulrider> oh my, im never having kids
[03:08] <intelikey> Tm_T nice.   want to check on this "bug" ?    http://pastebin.ca/460415
[03:08] <Tm_T> intelikey: hmm
[03:08] <epimeth> is it me or is pastebin slow?
[03:08] <MrWGW> how do I forcequite a nonresponding app?
[03:08] <MrWGW> *quit
[03:08] <soulrider> killall <appname>
[03:09] <hsystem-x> lol
[03:09] <MrWGW> app is still open on the taskbar
[03:09] <soulrider> intelikey:  :(
[03:09] <soulrider> intelikey:  do you know how i can remove GRUB from the MBR of one of my drives?
[03:10] <intelikey> soulrider over write it with something else
[03:10] <Arwen> soulrider, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/device bs=512 count=1
[03:10] <epimeth> soulrider: in windows, fdisk /mbr :-)
[03:10] <Arwen> oh wait, that wipes the partition table tooo
[03:10] <soulrider> =/ Arwen
[03:10] <soulrider> im not in the mood to lose my Data
[03:10] <intelikey> Arwen but it will work.
[03:11] <hsystem-x> feisty still beta right?
[03:11] <Arwen> intelikey, lol @ data loss
[03:11] <soulrider> intelikey:  but i will lose my data, right ?
[03:11] <soulrider> hsystem-x: no man
[03:11] <Arwen> hsystem-x, NO
[03:11] <ardchoille> hsystem-x: No
[03:11] <soulrider> its out!
[03:11] <epimeth> Arwen: not good enough... find . -name '\,?.*' -exec {rm \1}
[03:11] <epimeth> :-)
[03:11] <Arwen> epimeth, ...
[03:11] <intelikey> soulrider lose is such a windows term.      it will be less accessable....
[03:11] <epimeth> or something like that... I forget find's syntax
[03:11] <ardchoille> intelikey: hahaha
[03:11] <hsystem-x> good, that's why then i have 224 package for update
[03:11] <Arwen> soulrider, you'll just have to use fdisk and make a new mbr
[03:11] <hsystem-x> lol
[03:12] <soulrider> heres the thing
[03:12] <soulrider> i got 2 drives, one is SATA, one is ATA
[03:12] <soulrider> i got Archlinux on my ATA drive, and nothing in my SATA drive
[03:12] <intelikey> soulrider ok glad you are finally going to tell us what you want.
[03:12] <soulrider> its booting from the ATA drive that has an old grub
[03:12] <soulrider> i need it to boot form the ATA drive, that has the nice grub
 ogg is opensores shit - go figure...
[03:13] <soulrider> !ohmy
[03:13] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[03:13] <Arwen> soulrider, it's a quote, get a life
[03:13] <kaneknows> hey, when i try to play a video of a samba share it wants to copy it first, is there a way to avoid that?
[03:13] <kingcobra> how do u get a new side panel to auto hide and not the taskbar
[03:13] <Arwen> kaneknows, mount the samba share
[03:13] <intelikey> Arwen it's all quotes.  get a clue.
[03:13] <Arwen> :-\
[03:13] <surgy> hello
[03:14] <soulrider> so, intelikey you know what i should do ?
[03:14] <intelikey> soulrider yeah grub-install <the device you want it on>
[03:14] <intelikey> soulrider something like   sudo grub-install /dev/sda
[03:15] <soulrider> intelikey:  its ont he device i want it :P
[03:15] <kaneknows> Arwen: right.....thanks.
[03:15] <Arwen> eh? that was good advice...
[03:15] <intelikey> well soulrider the change the sda to what ever you do want.
[03:15] <surgy> i just physicly upgraded from a gforce 4 ti 4200 to a geforce 6800 xfx xtreme 256mb card, i was told by someone here that i didnt need to reinstall anything, but now when i try to run glx gears i get the error:Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".  : Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[03:16] <mantan> oh hey. I want to upgrade to feisty but have idea how to go about this. I'm running on dapper
[03:16] <Arwen> surgy, get nvidia-glx-new
[03:16] <Arwen> or was it nvidia-glx... dunno, that person was wrong, you need a new nvidia-glx
[03:17] <mantan> oh hey. I want to upgrade to feisty but have idea how to go about this. I'm running on dapper
[03:17] <hsystem-x> damn frostwire, it suddenly stop connecting :@.
[03:17] <epimeth> mantan: patience is a virtye
[03:17] <epimeth> mantan: patience is a virtue
[03:17] <surgy> Arwen: so i need to go through the nvidia binary howto again but instead of using "nvidia-glx" i should use the "nvidia-glx-new" ?
[03:18] <intelikey> soulrider i have grub on one drive and lilo on three others  "some don't boot"    and all of them setup to be able to hand booting to any of the others.    i can play musical boot loaders until i get tired of the differing pictures.....       so setup the disk you want   the way you want.     for anything more specific   you have to be more specific.
[03:18] <Arwen> yes...
[03:18] <Arwen> I tionk
[03:18] <Arwen> think*
[03:18] <Daisuke_Ido> mantan: if you're on dapper, back up what you want to keep and install from scratch unless you want to chance two risky upgrades in a row
[03:18] <epimeth> mantan: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file replacing every instance of "dapper" with "feisty" then run $sudo apt-get update
[03:18] <soulrider> intelikey:  justa s ec, ig uess ill install it on both drives
[03:18] <surgy> Arwen: you think? well do i need to get rid of the old driver first or does it matter?
[03:18] <Daisuke_Ido> now me, i don't think my karma could handle the strain, and something would break
[03:18] <epimeth> then $sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:19] <Daisuke_Ido> epimeth: i don't think you can upgrade from dapper to feisty, can you?
[03:19] <Arwen> surgy, yes, uninstall it first (if you try to install the new one, apt will uninstall it automatically for you anyway)
[03:19] <intelikey> Tm_T did you look at that paste ?
[03:19] <Daisuke_Ido> not directly
[03:19] <hsystem-x> those upgrades have never worked for me, i simply install the new version from 0.
[03:19] <epimeth> mantan: or do what Daisuke_Ido said... now that he mentioned that, I think he might be correct with the unable to upgrade straight
[03:19] <Arwen> surgy, btw, there's a 7600GT on newegg for $80...
[03:19] <Arwen> or there was
[03:19] <Tm_T> intelikey: yes, I just don't know what I should see there
[03:19] <epimeth> mantan: tho there is probably a script somewhere.... lemme check
[03:20] <intelikey> Tm_T that  "run-parts" is not functioning.
[03:20] <surgy> arwen: i gave 45$ for this :) lol so i dont even need to worry about uninstalling it? becuase apt will remove it for me?
[03:20] <intelikey> Tm_T i don't know why.....
[03:20] <Tm_T> what is "run-parts" ?
[03:20] <Arwen> surgy, yeah,
[03:20] <Arwen> Tm_T, an anacrontab I think
[03:20] <hsystem-x> anybody with frostwire working ? (connecting - turbo).?
[03:20] <Tm_T> aa, that one
[03:20] <hsystem-x> right now?
[03:20] <surgy> Arwen: i use the same restricted module though right?
[03:20] <Arwen> hsystem-x, I don't do warez :-)
[03:20] <epimeth> mantan: yea... you'de have to upgrade to edgy and then feisty... better off doing a fresh install
[03:20] <Tm_T> see? this helpful I am
[03:20] <Arwen> surgy, err... don't know... I think so
[03:21] <hsystem-x> p2p, is not jus wares :).
[03:21] <intelikey> Tm_T only one of those base system  absolutely dessecarry  commands.....
[03:21] <hitmanWilly> surgy, yes, same restricted modules
[03:21] <mantan> wow, that's going to be alot of backing up :/
[03:22] <intelikey> Arwen actually no.   it's called by init scripts and cron and lots of system junk.
[03:22] <surgy> hitmanWilly: is what arwen has been saying sound right to you? no ofense arwen
[03:22] <Daisuke_Ido> mantan: software you can't do much about
[03:22] <Arwen> huh
[03:22] <epimeth> mantan: its always a good idea to back up before doing any sort of OS change, anyway
[03:22] <intelikey> run-parts
[03:22] <hitmanWilly> surgy, not sure, just got here :)
[03:22] <epimeth> mantan: hell, just backing up periodically is a good idea :-)
[03:22] <Daisuke_Ido> just talking documents
[03:22] <Daisuke_Ido> and THIS is why you keep /home on a separate partition :)
[03:22] <surgy> hitmanWilly: lol ok here goes nothing, time for reboot
[03:23] <mantan> oh sh- it's going to be complicated
[03:23] <mantan> I have a windows partition and I had problems setting that up
[03:23] <mantan> *sigh*
[03:23] <intelikey> ;/
[03:24] <neoncode> How do I open MS Publisher files on linux?
[03:24] <intelikey> oopresetner  or some such
[03:25] <intelikey> oo presenter ?
[03:25] <Greenery> how do i remove winemine, wineredit etc?
[03:25] <neoncode> intelikey: Nope, OO carn't open them.
[03:25] <Arwen> Greenery, you can turn off the menu entries... but regedit.exe and minesweep.exe are part of Wine
[03:25] <Greenery> how to do that?
[03:25] <intelikey> neoncode really ?
[03:25] <Tm_T> oh noes, bot invasion!
[03:26] <Arwen> Greenery, dunno, I'm a GNOME person
[03:26] <Greenery> i deleted them with kdemenu from the menu, will that be okay?
[03:26] <Tm_T> sure
[03:26] <Arwen> Greenery, yea
[03:26] <Greenery> but lets say i wanna get it back to the kdemenu...how do i do it?
[03:26] <kristjan_> do I also need "kubuntu-desktop" installed for successful upgrade?
[03:27] <Arwen> Greenery, add em back?
[03:27] <Greenery> yeah to the menu
[03:30] <Arwen> Greenery, "add em back" was my instruction on how to accomplish that..
[03:30] <Greenery> oh lol
[03:30] <Greenery> how do i do it actually?
[03:31] <Arwen> no idea :-)
[03:32] <Greenery> oh well thanks for the help
[03:35] <hsystem-x> where's the iptable file located?
[03:35] <hsystem-x> in feisty?
[03:37] <Tm_T> !iptables
[03:37] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[03:37] <Tm_T> hsystem-x: check that ^^
[03:38] <hsystem-x> yeah i have firestarter.
[03:39] <hsystem-x> but for example in linspire there was a file where i can control the firewall by adding lines that file with the port i want to open... i personally dont like firestarter.
[03:39] <Tm_T> hsystem-x: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo)
[03:42] <MrWGW> is there an m4a decoder availible for Amarok?
[03:44] <surgy> i keep getting this error: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or direct. what package do i need?
[03:46] <hsystem-x> anybody know how to set left alt key to do alt combinations, like (accent.)
[03:46] <hsystem-x> there was a command...
[03:46] <zoohouse> What is the command to configure xserver?
[03:46] <hitmanWilly> surgy, do you have build-essential installed
[03:48] <kaneknows> anyone know of a good screen cap app with audio?
[03:51] <surgy> hitmanWilly: im pretty sure let me check
[03:52] <surgy> hitmanWilly: yes i have the newest version
[03:52] <carutsu> Hello, how can i instal inkscape in other language than english
[03:52] <hitmanWilly> surgy, try libstdc++6-dev
[03:55] <jeff_> Is there a topic somewhere to get steam / half life 2 working with wine??
[03:55] <fabio> Hi
[03:55] <surgy> hitmanWilly: allready the newest
[03:55] <MrWGW> is there a guide yet on using the KVM feature included in 2.6.20?
[03:56] <surgy> jeff_: check #winehq
[03:56] <surgy> hitmanWilly: if it helps, the app im getting the errors from is epsxe a psx emulator
[03:57] <thetarepublic> How do I detect and mount my master drive?
[03:57] <thetarepublic> It is an NTFS drive, but I only want to read from it.
[03:57] <surgy> !mount | thetarepublic
[03:57] <ubotu> thetarepublic: Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[03:57] <hitmanWilly> surgy, hmm, don't know much about that app
[03:58] <thetarepublic> QTParted is for KDE, right?
[03:58] <kingcobra> how do u get a new side panel to auto hide and not the taskbar
[04:02] <surgy> so no one can help me?
[04:02] <benk_> alguien que hable espaol
[04:02] <hitmanWilly> surgy, what i can tell you is that its a symbolic link to a shared library that its looking for
[04:02] <Skyblast> !es
[04:02] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[04:03] <surgy> hitmanWilly: yes, but i cant figure out which library
[04:03] <thetarepublic> !diskmounter
[04:03] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[04:03] <Trubadurix> hi finely i got it work
[04:03] <hitmanWilly> surgy, take off the .3 at the end and that's the lib
[04:04] <surgy> hitmanWilly: but apt-cache search doesnt find it......
[04:04] <Trubadurix> shall i use ubuntu guide for reposetories or shuold i use other like this maby?  http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html#h2add
[04:04] <hitmanWilly> surgy, its probably part of another package
[04:04] <surgy> hitmanWilly: lol awsome! i guessed randomely at the glibc package and it works :)
[04:05] <hitmanWilly> surgy, glibc is a pretty important package, that was my next suggestion :)
[04:06] <surgy> hitmanWilly: thnx again, only one more question, everytime i kill my emulator i get this error: Gdk-ERROR **: X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).     any ideas?
[04:07] <hitmanWilly> surgy, that's fine, unless it causes functionality problems don't worry about it
[04:08] <surgy> hitmanWilly: and if it anoys me? is it hard to hide it?
[04:08] <hitmanWilly> surgy, how does it come up? in the terminal
[04:08] <hitmanWilly> ?
[04:08] <facugaich> yeah, whenever I start kwrite I get a bunch of error too, is that normal?
[04:09] <thetarepublic> I used the diskmounter script, and I guess it mounted cdrom0. How do I unmount that? It won't eject the tray :X
[04:09] <facugaich> in terminal that is
[04:09] <Trubadurix> how do i add repositories in kubuntu?
[04:09] <surgy> hitmanWilly: yes sir
[04:10] <hsystem-x_> that doesn't happen with gnome.
[04:10] <thetarepublic> Oh, and how do I uninstall ubuntu-desktop? I've no use for it now
[04:10] <hsystem-x_> just with kubuntu :). Bad device errors :).
[04:10] <hitmanWilly> surgy, i really wouldn't worry about it as long as it works, but you could just > it to /dev/null
[04:10] <surgy> hitmanWilly: any hints/tips ?
[04:11] <surgy> hitmanWilly: meh as long as you reasure me it is not negative, but rather neutral
[04:11] <hitmanWilly> surgy, many an app will do that, as long as it works its no big deal
[04:11] <Trubadurix> helo pls help
[04:12] <surgy> hitmanWilly: thnx again man
[04:12] <Trubadurix> pls help man
[04:12] <hitmanWilly> surgy, np
[04:12] <hsystem-x_> yeah, but it crash with some app, in console when those bad device erros show up..
[04:12] <Trubadurix> is there a guide for kubuntu to repositories or should i use this?   http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#How_to_add_extra_repositories
[04:12] <hitmanWilly> Trubadurix, the list of repos is stored in /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:13] <hitmanWilly> Trubadurix, yes, that guide will work
[04:14] <Trubadurix> ok thanx
[04:14] <hitmanWilly> np
[04:14] <Trubadurix> and this is just some  old shit then? http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html#h2add
[04:14] <Daisuke_Ido> facugaich: what errors are you getting?
[04:15] <facugaich> Daisuke_Ido: Bad device errors
[04:15] <Daisuke_Ido> like...
[04:15] <Daisuke_Ido> 167 168 something in there?
[04:15] <facugaich> Let me see
[04:15] <facugaich> It works though, they're just anoyying
[04:15] <hitmanWilly> facugaich, i have a feeling its trying to open your non-existant wacom tablet
[04:16] <Daisuke_Ido> hitmanWilly: exactly
[04:16] <facugaich> 169
[04:16] <Daisuke_Ido> yep, wacom
[04:16] <facugaich> What the hell is wacom, I've seen it on Xorg.conf and some other places
[04:16] <Daisuke_Ido> you can get rid of them by commenting out the appropriate sections in xorg.conf
[04:17] <Daisuke_Ido> wacom makes tablets and such
[04:17] <hitmanWilly> for some reason the new xorg.conf in ubuntu comes preconfigured for it
[04:17] <hitmanWilly> no idea why
[04:18] <Daisuke_Ido> hitmanWilly: without it, wacom mice (which are tied to the tablets) won't work
[04:18] <hitmanWilly> true...
[04:18] <Daisuke_Ido> and wacom users tend to use that mouse
[04:18] <hitmanWilly> meh
[04:18] <facugaich> Ok, thank you... also... I've been using kwrite with sudo because kdesu doesn't seem to work properly. It looks like it can't prompt me for the password. The same thing happens when I launch Adept from Kmenu
[04:18] <Daisuke_Ido> so it's include and annoy some people, or exclude and leave some people without a mouse
[04:18] <Daisuke_Ido> kdesu is broken?
[04:18] <Daisuke_Ido> that's new
[04:19] <facugaich> It's not all the time, only now and then, usually I have to launch the app once more and it works fine
[04:20] <muahahhaa> hi
[04:20] <hsystem-x_> facugaich , try gksudo :)
[04:20] <hsystem-x_> it is included in feisty.
[04:21] <cathy> hep ppl...has anyone else tried installing mythtv on feisty...and I thought it was so much easier with edgy! :-)
[04:21] <soulrider> Trubadurix: the extar repso area lready enabled in feisty
[04:22] <Trubadurix> soulrider: ohh
[04:22] <Trubadurix> nice ;-)
[04:22] <cathy> although the feisty ubuntu-server iso doesn work...hung twice in a clean install
[04:25] <thetarepublic> My cd Drive won't eject, I think it's mounted.
[04:26] <facugaich> Unmount it then :)
[04:26] <thetarepublic> How do I unmount it? *umount says it isn't mounted, but I used the diskmounter script*
[04:26] <hsystem-x_> exactly.
[04:26] <hsystem-x_> right click your device, click eject :)
[04:26] <thetarepublic> ??
[04:26] <thetarepublic> It's a folder though
[04:27] <hsystem-x_> in: Storage Media
[04:27] <hsystem-x_> in your kubuntu
[04:27] <thetarepublic> It Still
[04:27] <thetarepublic> That is where I am in
[04:27] <hsystem-x_> and you already clicked eject, then...
[04:27] <thetarepublic> /media *I see a cdrom0, which is the drive I want ejected, but it acts like a folder*
[04:28] <thetarepublic> err /media/
[04:28] <hsystem-x_> in konsole type umount.
[04:28] <zoohouse> I am having trouble getting my widescreen LCD monitor to display properly. Can some one lean me a little hand? Not sure what I am supposed to do next.
[04:28] <thetarepublic> Ok
[04:28] <thetarepublic> hsystem-x_: It has a list of options
[04:30] <hitmanWilly> zoohouse, what exactly is the problem?
[04:31] <thetarepublic> hsystem-x_: What option do I pick >.>; to eject the cd
[04:31] <facugaich> guys, I've asked many times about this problem, nobody can give me a solution, maybe you can help me?
[04:31] <hsystem-x_> in console type eject
[04:31] <thetarepublic> :D
[04:32] <thetarepublic> sudo eject
[04:32] <thetarepublic> Cool
[04:32] <facugaich> The icons in the system tray are bigger than they should... there's only 1 row of them
[04:32] <hsystem-x_> yeah.
[04:32] <zoohouse> hitmanWilly: I have a Samsung SyncMaster 940MW and I can't seem to find it listed on the hardware list (system settings > display & monitor). And I am not sure how to manually type in the dimentions my self in xotrg.conf
[04:32] <zoohouse> hitmanWilly: the prob is that the screen dimentions don't fit in my monitor. Know what I mean?
[04:32] <Trubadurix> hi can i use this guide even when i run kubuntu?  http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Feisty_Installation_Guide
[04:32] <hsystem-x_> thearepublic: that work for you right?
[04:32] <hitmanWilly> zoohouse, ok, open up xorg.conf and scroll down to the end
[04:33] <thetarepublic> hsystem-x_: Why yes it did, thanks
[04:33] <zoohouse> hitmanWilly: k
[04:33] <hsystem-x_> ok :)
[04:33] <zoohouse> hitmanWilly: done
[04:33] <hitmanWilly> zoohouse, you should see a long list of resolutions
[04:33] <zoohouse> hitmanWilly: am i supposed to be looking at screen 1?
[04:34] <zoohouse>  Identifier "screen1"
[04:34] <hitmanWilly> zoohouse, should be under either 24 or 32 depending on the graphics card
[04:34] <zoohouse> the mode
[04:35] <zoohouse> ok i see it. only has one res 640x480
[04:35] <hitmanWilly> zoohouse, yes, it'll probably be the last line of resolution settings
[04:35] <zoohouse> k
[04:35] <zoohouse> right
[04:35] <hitmanWilly> zoohouse, just add in the res you want first on the line, should go to it by default
[04:36] <zoohouse> hitmanWilly: how about the horizontal rate and vertical and all that?
[04:37] <hitmanWilly> zoohouse, you can put @<whatever refresh rate you use> after the res ie "1680x1050@60"
[04:38] <hitmanWilly> zoohouse, do you use an nvidia card by the way?
[04:38] <zoohouse> hitmanWilly: lets say I use 1680x1050@60 but then hit ctr+alt +. Will it keep the proper ration when I go up and down on the ress?
[04:39] <zoohouse> hitmanWilly: yea nvidia
[04:39] <hitmanWilly> zoohouse, in that case just run sudo nvidia-settings for a graphical app that'll let you set all this up. it works pretty well :)
[04:40] <zoohouse> let me try it out brb
[04:40] <dennister> phew...thought i forgotten my reg nick password since the new install
[04:41] <zoohouse> hitmanWilly: Thanks, that took care of it! :D
[04:42] <hitmanWilly> zoohouse, np
[04:42] <zoohouse> thanks a lot hitmanWilly
[04:42] <jhutchins> It would probably be useful if someone made a wiki page of "things to make sure you save before you wipe your drive".
[04:42] <facugaich> jhutchins: I agree
[04:43] <jhutchins> I know I forget things like IM names and passwords.
[04:43] <hitmanWilly> jhutchins, there's always the option of putting /home on another drive/partition
[04:43] <dennister> jhutchins: u said it
[04:43] <jhutchins> hitmanWilly: yes, but not always the option taken.
[04:43] <hitmanWilly> :)
[04:43] <jhutchins> hitmanWilly: Sometimes upgrading kde, for instance, means killing .kde.
[04:43] <hitmanWilly> true that
[04:43] <dennister> yes, and it doesn help when there are tons of howtos that don mention this hint
[04:43] <facugaich> Yeah... I had all this music and forgot to save the list of songs so I could... err... buy it again
[04:44] <jhutchins> I always do single-partition setups, because if you partition, no matter where the space is, you need it somewhere else.
[04:44] <hitmanWilly> ok, im on board with the wiki
[04:44] <rrmm> why wont kubuntu let me install a kernel module by make install? i do modinfo <MOD> and it still shows the old module that is bugged
[04:44] <jhutchins> rrmm: Different kernel version?
[04:45] <rrmm> jhutchins no
[04:45] <jhutchins> rrmm: make install errored overwriting existing module?  You did reboot, didn't you?
[04:45] <dennister> i finding that tons of ubuntu-marketers and sales/recruiter types are constantly saying things like, don scare the new user away with too much info...they probably won need it
[04:45] <hitmanWilly> rrmm, can you modprobe it?
[04:45] <jhutchins> dennister: That's the gnome philosophy.
[04:45] <rrmm> hitmanWilly: yes but its the wrong module (modinfo)
[04:46] <jhutchins> The reason I suggest a wiki page is that I could come up with a list, but I'd be sure to miss something.
[04:46] <dennister> hence the gaping holes in the documentation...yes, and kde is much closer to windows in look and feel...therefore better for newbies
[04:46] <jhutchins> dennister: There's that argument, but I find KDE a little more powerful, user-in-control attitude.
[04:47] <rrmm> jhutchins i need to blacklist it so that it doesnt load or else im not able to rmmod it to modprobe the new compiled module, and yes ive rebooted multiple times with the generic and the 386 kernel
[04:47] <dennister> yes...and I want knowledge/control over my system, that is, after all, why i rarely use winblows anymore
[04:47] <jhutchins> rrmm: Sounds like you're on the right track.
[04:48] <jhutchins> dennister: It's interesting that that's becoming the dominant reason to use linux.
[04:48] <rrmm> jhutchins after a week of messing with my wifi card i think shouldve gotten somewhere
[04:48] <dennister> well i here as a wga refugee :)
[04:48] <dennister> and mythtv is just soooooo much easier with feisty than even edgy was :)
[04:49] <jhutchins> dennister: Oh, cool!  Anything worth you documenting?
[04:49] <jhutchins> That is honestly the first time I've heard of something going better with Feisty!
[04:49] <jhutchins> Had to happen soon, it's just that you're the first.
[04:50] <dennister> well, i just started the upgrade from clean install last night...and there are already howtos that are pretty good...i was disappointed when ubuntu-server hung twice, tho
[04:50] <dennister> so i had to give up...used the desktop install method instead
[04:51] <jhutchins> I had a kubuntu upgrade hang today.  I left it.  It might be a month before I get back to that system, but I'm going to try to visit it tomorrow.
[04:52] <jhutchins> 41 out of 44 files downloaded.
[04:53] <dennister> well i was doing a drive wipe and clean install...did all the complicated partitioning here, base installed, then at 85% of the main lamp install it hung both times
[04:53] <jhutchins> dennister: Thing is, the servers are so hammered right now you're almost guaranteed a botched upgrade.
[04:54] <dennister> the main documentation says there is a bug with that ubuntu-server , that it ill appear to hang"but after 3 minutes or so it will continue...I waited over 10 minutes with a very fast, powerful, HTPC...I hadnt even gotten to the web and servers part of the installation...still working fromt he CD
[04:55] <eljefe> anyone using Feisty and have issue with their Kopete?  Myne locks up all the time.
[04:55] <dennister> i was using a clean install method instead of an upgrade because i wanted to clean the computer out
[04:56] <kgx> is there any way to reboot kubuntu to windows (just a one off thing, not permanent)
[04:56] <kgx> i seem to remember mandrake 9x had this option
[04:57] <mrgv> my network connectivity comes and goes for a few minutes a couple times per hour... anyone have this happen to them?
[04:57] <dsmith> I handed out two 'buntu CD's today :)
[04:57] <dennister> kgx: not sure what u mean? isn there a windows entry in ur grub menu?
[04:57] <kgx> dennister: yep there is
[04:57] <eljefe> kgs, just reboot; windows should be in your Grub menu
[04:57] <dsmith> ..handed them to some weenie with a M$ Cert. Tech shirt on.. :)
[04:57] <dsmith> lol
[04:57] <eljefe> kgx so pick it and hit [enter] 
[04:58] <eljefe> nice dsmith
[04:58] <kgx> eljefe: well, im not at that particular computer right now, i need to remotely reboot it to windows
[04:58] <eljefe> aah... one moment...
[04:58] <kgx> i change grub.conf i know :p
[04:58] <dennister> <------gives out tons of cd...don think anyone actually uses them tho
[04:58] <kgx> but i mandrake had this "hands free" way of doing it. but then again, mandrake used lilo
[04:59] <Lam_> feisty reads my IDE drives as sdX devices. is that new? i thought they were hdX devices for anything on an IDE controller?
[04:59] <Minataku> Lam_: Are they SATA?
[04:59] <Lam_> Minataku: no. they're PATA devices
[04:59] <Minataku> If they're SATA, they'll come up as sdX
[04:59] <Minataku> Lam_: Weird
[05:00] <dennister> PATA? never heard of that
[05:00] <Lam_> Minataku: it still works so i guess i can't complain too much, but i found it peculuar
[05:00] <dsmith> parallel ATA?
[05:00] <Lam_> PATA is retroactively named from ATA devices
[05:00] <Lam_> yeah
[05:00] <Minataku> It certainly is
[05:00] <dsmith> as opposed to Serial ATA
[05:00] <kingcobra> can somebody tell me how to get a new side panel to auto hide and not the taskbar
[05:01] <eljefe> kgx: i read it *just today* on some Linux website, but I have no idea where... i cannot find it
[05:01] <dennister> hmmm and i thought i knew my hardware...do enuf reading...lol...have never come across PATA
[05:01] <eljefe> denn
[05:01] <eljefe> dennister:
[05:01] <eljefe> dennister: its kinda a new term
[05:01] <Lam_> it was ATA, but when SATA came out, they renamed ATA to PATA to devert confusion
[05:01] <Lam_> divert*
[05:01] <dennister> k...will look for it
[05:02] <kgx> eljefe: ok, let me know when you find it :)
[05:02] <dennister> well then, it surprising that ubuntu even recognizes the drives at all
[05:02] <kgx> been meaning to do this for a while, but always forget
[05:03] <dennister> brb
[05:08] <ubuntu_> hey
[05:08] <newGuy> Can anyone help me? I have a package that I need to install but I don't know how.
[05:08] <pestilence> !ask
[05:08] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[05:09] <newGuy> I have a .deb file for wine, and I'm on an amd64. I've already installed the linux32 package for compatibility, now how do I do the actuall install of the package? I know it needs some --force or something.
[05:09] <pestilence> newGuy: dpkg -i ?
[05:09] <Wolfe> when i start up the installer for kubuntu it gets all the way to the partioner and then the partioner doesn't pick anything up
[05:09] <newGuy> pestilence: Yeah, something like that!
[05:09] <newGuy> pestilence: What is the full command?
[05:09] <pestilence> newGuy: sudo dpkg -i (debfilename.deb)
[05:10] <newGuy> will that force it?
[05:10] <pestilence> newGuy: just try it.
[05:10] <newGuy> error messages.
[05:10] <pestilence> newGuy: like?
[05:10] <newGuy> because it's the i386 build and I'm on an amd64
[05:10] <newGuy> that's why I have to force it
[05:11] <pestilence> so, it's missing dependencies
[05:11] <Dragnslcr> newGuy- I had to do it, let me see if I can find the page
[05:11] <newGuy> dpkg: error processing wine_0.9.35~winehq0~ubuntu~7.04-1_i386.deb (--install):
[05:11] <newGuy>  package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)
[05:11] <newGuy> not dependancies.
[05:11] <newGuy> processor type
[05:12] <pestilence> newGuy: --force-architecture
[05:12] <rrmm> what does Ignoring unknown interface ra0=ra0.  mean?
[05:12] <Dragnslcr> That's the one you want
[05:12] <newGuy> thanks
[05:12] <pestilence> newGuy: the manpage of dpkg would have told you that, for future reference
[05:12] <pestilence> rrmm: context?
[05:13] <rrmm> ifup ra0
[05:13] <pestilence> heh
[05:13] <pestilence> rrmm: it means there's nothing associate with ra0
[05:13] <Wolfe> Im havin a problem with the installer because at the partioning part it just shows nothing to partion
[05:14] <newGuy> doesn't seem to have worked.
[05:14] <pestilence> newGuy: did it give you errors?
[05:14] <newGuy> dpkg - warning, overriding problem because --force enabled:
[05:14] <newGuy>  package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)
[05:14] <newGuy> Selecting previously deselected package wine.
[05:14] <newGuy> (Reading database ... 107634 files and directories currently installed.)
[05:14] <newGuy> Unpacking wine (from wine_0.9.35~winehq0~ubuntu~7.04-1_i386.deb) ...
[05:14] <newGuy> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of wine:
[05:14] <newGuy>  wine depends on libasound2 (>> 1.0.12); however:
[05:14] <newGuy>   Version of libasound2 on system is 1.0.11-7ubuntu3.
[05:14] <newGuy>  wine depends on libc6 (>= 2.5-0ubuntu1); however:
[05:14] <newGuy>   Version of libc6 on system is 2.4-1ubuntu12.3.
[05:14] <newGuy>  wine depends on libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.2); however:
[05:14] <pestilence> whoa whoa whoa
[05:14] <newGuy>   Version of libgcc1 on system is 1:4.1.1-13ubuntu5.
[05:15] <newGuy>  wine depends on libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.2); however:
[05:15] <newGuy>   Version of libstdc++6 on system is 4.1.1-13ubuntu5.
[05:15] <newGuy>  wine depends on libxml2 (>= 2.6.27); however:
[05:15] <newGuy>   Version of libxml2 on system is 2.6.26.dfsg-2ubuntu4.
[05:15] <newGuy>  wine depends on libxslt1.1 (>= 1.1.20); however:
[05:15] <pestilence> newGuy: use pastebin for > 2 lines
[05:15] <newGuy>   Version of libxslt1.1 on system is 1.1.17-2build1.
[05:15] <newGuy> dpkg: error processing wine (--install):
[05:15] <newGuy>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[05:15] <newGuy> Errors were encountered while processing:
[05:15] <newGuy>  wine
[05:15] <dsmith> lol
[05:15] <newGuy> hmm, didn't seem like that much, next time, pastebin.
[05:15] <hitmanWilly> !paste | newGuy
[05:15] <ubotu> newGuy: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:15] <newGuy> yeah, no kidding.
[05:15] <dsmith> whoa horsy..
[05:15] <newGuy> !newb | newGuy
[05:15] <pestilence> newGuy: those are dependency problems.
[05:15] <pestilence> (duh)
[05:16] <newGuy> well yes, duh, lol
[05:16] <newGuy> But the packages it wants also don't appear to be for my processor.
[05:16] <pestilence> which version of ubuntu?
[05:16] <newGuy> kubuntu edgy
[05:16] <pestilence> possibly this was built for feisty?
[05:16] <Dragnslcr> newGuy- http://wiki.winehq.org/WineOn64bit#head-56206e8bc74083807ffe06ccb471d3f964cb670a
[05:17] <newGuy> ahh, thank you Dragnslcr
[05:17] <Dragnslcr> Er, wait
[05:17] <newGuy> huh?
[05:17] <Dragnslcr> That isn't the right page
[05:17] <newGuy> oh
[05:17] <newGuy> right dapper
[05:18] <Dragnslcr> There's an easier way
[05:18] <newGuy> Good, what is it?
[05:18] <Dragnslcr> http://wiki.winehq.org/UbuntuAMD64
[05:18] <Dragnslcr> There we go
[05:18] <newGuy> pray that you live on my campus and will come here to do it?
[05:18] <Dragnslcr> That's the page I went by
[05:19] <pestilence> newGuy: paypal me $20 and give me ssh access to your machine, and it'll be fixed ;)
[05:19] <newGuy> The paypal I'm okay with, ssh access... not on your life.
[05:19] <pestilence> hahaha
[05:20] <dennister> here to brains :)
[05:20] <dennister> i can understand why god made so many people so stupd, lol
[05:21] <pestilence> dennister: then you can explain it.  please.
[05:21] <newGuy> pestilence: To keep the smart ones paid.
[05:21] <pestilence> ha
[05:21] <dennister> ight folks...oops, sorry i was out havign a cig, and just caught the tail end of newguy answer
[05:22] <kgx> rofl
[05:23] <newGuy> I'll never forget this story, I was remarkably adult for my age. One day in 3rd grade a bunch of the popular kids were picking on me and a friend of mine. A teacher intervined and took the two of us aside, my friend was crying. The teacher asked if we were okay and I told her "I'm fine, I'll get even with them when they're cleaning my office in 20 years."
[05:23] <newGuy> So I ran into one of them recently, he works at burger king....
[05:23] <dennister> sounds like my kid, lol
[05:23] <dennister> he was 8 going on 30
[05:24] <newGuy> Yeah, that was me, lol
[05:24] <dennister> and analyzing group behavioural theory
[05:25] <dennister> too bad he so bored with high school he got kicked out...and now working at blockbuster at 18
[05:25] <newGuy> Same with me dennister.
[05:25] <pestilence> reminds me of a kid in my ap calc class in high school.  he had the nerve to tell us all that one day we would all work for him.
[05:25] <newGuy> Was bored with high school, ditched till I got kicked out.
[05:26] <eljefe> kgx: just combed the regular sites i visit and didn't see the remote-reboot anywhere... sorry mate.  it even said how to go the other way, how to remote-desktop into windows and issue a command which would reboot into linux... if its a 'perminant' change, or if you';ll be at the keyboard later to pick linux or fix the change, you could ssh into linux and edit the 'default' in Grub to whichever option is Windows...
[05:26] <pestilence> needless to say, we gave him endless shit about it.  and i'm sure he's doing some shitty cubicle job these days
[05:26] <dennister> well i suffered thru it...i bet hel go back to university as a mature student after he had a good taste of dead-end retail
[05:26] <newGuy> Then got my GED, went to college, maintain a 4.0 GPA, and just got accepted into the Presidential Honors Society, NSCS (National Society of Collegiate Scholars), and made the president's list every semester so far.
[05:26] <newGuy> So get your kid to get his GED, once he's in college he'll shine.
[05:27] <eljefe> newGuy: no offense to you but making this president's list doesn't seem to take much... ;)
[05:27] <newGuy> Nah.
[05:27] <newGuy> The classes are easy. Their ment for 18 year old drunks in training.
[05:27] <newGuy> they're even.
[05:28] <newGuy> dennister is right, I did the dead-end retail for a few years, scared me straight, did a stint in the military and got back into school.
[05:28] <dennister> gotta change this keyboard...i remember a friend of mine at York U here in toronto, found out he got 20 A in 20 BA courses...not hard to pass english, but damned difficult to get one A, let alone 20
[05:28] <kgx> eljefe: thanks, i guess thats the only option
[05:29] <dennister> he ended up winning the governor general award for his first novel...maclean best seller list for a year, translated into a dozen languages...president of PEN Canada...
[05:29] <newGuy> hehe.
[05:29] <dennister> but sorry...this is off-topic
[05:29] <firecrotch> !offtopic
[05:29] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[05:29] <newGuy> !offtopic | dennister
[05:30] <ubotu> dennister: please see above
[05:30] <newGuy> ROFL
[05:30] <eljefe> kgx: try this! http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhome.comcast.net%2F~sean.workman%2F2005%2F08%2Fsinging-praises-of-grub-reboot.html&ei=LW4xRpDUHIPmgQOnp8H0Ag&usg=AFrqEzdOAoQ8aNOO3D4Wv8pO9rDSAg1q-A&sig2=2WnvPrr5sBRFRT47EJph_Q
[05:30] <newGuy> Nice coding!
[05:30] <firecrotch> Ubotu is smart :)
[05:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is smart :) - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:30] <dennister> wasn it I who said it first? lol
[05:30] <firecrotch> err...
[05:30] <dennister> anyone tried the kvm yet?
[05:30] <newGuy> ubotu my raging horomones
[05:31] <Wolfe> Im getting this
[05:31] <Wolfe> http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/4157/snapshot1pg8.pnghttp://img186.imageshack.us/img186/4157/snapshot1pg8.png
[05:31] <Wolfe> ops
[05:31] <newGuy> Damnit, that was worth a try. :/
[05:31] <eljefe> anyone using Feisty and have issue with their Kopete?  Myne locks up all the time.
[05:31] <Wolfe> doubled here: http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/4157/snapshot1pg8.png
[05:31] <Wolfe> i cant get past that
[05:31] <eljefe> Wolfe: do you have a hard dish which is being recognized?
[05:31] <kgx> eljefe: ah awesome, much thanks :)
[05:31] <eljefe> \hard disK
[05:32] <eljefe> kgx: ;)
[05:32] <newGuy> let me tell you, this Wine install is a heck of a lot of work to do to avoid having to reboot into windows in order to play city of heroes.
[05:32] <Wolfe> \hard disk?
[05:32] <Wolfe> well
[05:32] <eljefe> i was correcting my previous typo
[05:32] <Wolfe> its not picking my 2 hd's up
[05:32] <Wolfe> but my 250 external
[05:32] <Wolfe> it is
[05:33] <pestilence> but it still doesn't show up in the partitioner?  that's weird.
[05:33] <eljefe> i'd say not... no idea, maybe look for a wat to update the BIOS
[05:33] <karen> Here is one for ya!  I just reinstalled feisty for the third time for various reasons I won't get too deep into.  I have a compaq laptop that ran great with dapper and edgy.  Now with feisty the network manager does not recognize that I am connected via pcmcia wireless card.  This, I believe, is why konqueror does not work for web browsing.  Firefox works fine as well as all other internet apps.  Any ideas??
[05:33] <Wolfe> wow thats wierd
[05:33] <pestilence> karen: proxy settings?
[05:33] <newGuy> karen: I have an idea, but you're probably expecting something helpful. :)
[05:34] <Wolfe> it decided to show up when i turned my external on
[05:34] <Wolfe> :D
[05:34] <dennister> Wolfe: it might be an idea to use another pastebin besides imageshack if you want to share problem results to get help with them
[05:34] <karen> don't need a proxy as I am not behind a firewall.
[05:34] <pestilence> karen: but is konqueror using a proxy?
[05:35] <dennister> i tried both your links and all I get is demands to register
[05:35] <karen> I don't think so.  It is a fresh install and i haven't been in konqueror settings
[05:36] <pestilence> karen: well, i don't use the network manager at all, and konqueror works fine for me.
[05:36] <pestilence> as in, i configure my network with /etc/network/interfaces and don't have knetworkmanager running at all.
[05:36] <karen> are you connected via pcmcia wireless?
[05:37] <pestilence> karen: essentially...it's a minipci card builtin to my laptop
[05:38] <cpc> i cant seem to  login as su on woody
[05:38] <pestilence> as in debian woody?
[05:38] <cpc> ubuntu
[05:38] <karen> Well if plug in my ethernet (dsl) cable konqueror works fine.  Just not when I am usin wireless
[05:38] <pestilence> hmm
[05:38] <pestilence> that's interesting.
[05:39] <cpc> someone was saying you can only do sudo on ubuntu
[05:39] <karen> yeah, you're telling me.
[05:39] <cpc> is that right ?
[05:39] <pestilence> cpc: yes.
[05:39] <cpc> how come
[05:39] <pestilence> cpc: sudo -s for the same effect as "su"
[05:39] <pestilence> !sudo
[05:39] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[05:39] <pestilence> !su
[05:40] <cpc> so i cant just do su
[05:40] <pestilence> cpc: it was a choice the devs made from the get-go
[05:40] <cpc> to not have root users?
[05:40] <karen> also, I have to configure the connection manually every time.
[05:40] <pestilence> cpc: to not set the root password
[05:40] <cpc> ok
[05:40] <pestilence> cpc: sudo passwd root if you really want to su
[05:40] <cpc> thanks
[05:41] <karen> the card worked fine in dapper and edgy otb.
[05:41] <sb73542> hello all, anyone feel like helping with a knetworkmanager problem?
[05:41] <jason_> how do i convert to kubuntu completly
[05:41] <karen> you to huh
[05:41] <firecrotch> sb73542: I'm up for it
[05:41] <sb73542> it appears that knetworkmanager will only connect if I power cycle my wifi radio
[05:41] <sb73542> thanks firecrotch
[05:41] <dennister> jason_: what else do u have installed?
[05:42] <jason_> ubuntu
[05:42] <sb73542> i boot up, I login to KDE, and it sits there stalled at "28% preparing network device"
[05:42] <pestilence> jason_:  you just don't want gnome?
[05:42] <dennister> ah, well ubuntu is the base system...u can get rid of it completely
[05:42] <sb73542> if i disable my wifi radio, and then re-enable, it will connect.
[05:42] <jason_> how i get it to kubuntu
[05:42] <dennister> cannot* darned keyboard
[05:42] <firecrotch> sb73542: What kind of authentication are you using?
[05:43] <sb73542> none at all
[05:43] <sb73542> :-)
[05:43] <Wolfe> does kubuntu come with a dual booter?
[05:43] <pestilence> jason_: if you "sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop" you will have kubuntu
[05:43] <sb73542> wiiiiide openm network
[05:43] <pestilence> Wolfe: yes.  grub can boot many operating systems
[05:43] <firecrotch> Wolfe: Yes, it installs GRUB
[05:43] <Wolfe> <--- because this noob needs both windows and linux
[05:43] <Wolfe> lawl
[05:43] <snapAMD> use add remove or synaptics to add the kubuntu package and you set
[05:44] <Wolfe> Now heres the question
[05:44] <jason_> so thats it
[05:44] <chemicalvamp> anybody here use aMule?
[05:44] <pestilence> jason_: and if you "sudo aptitude remove ubuntu-desktop", you will not have ubuntu.
[05:44] <firecrotch> Wolfe:  You'll be given the option during the installation to leave your windows install alone (resize the partition)
[05:44] <sb73542> i think my problem is due in part to the fact that the network is set to load at boot
[05:44] <dennister> kubuntu is the best distro ie seen for dual booting...no need to fool windows
[05:44] <pestilence> jason_: although you will probably still have *most* of ubuntu ;)
[05:44] <Wolfe> i have kunbuntu on another hd 20g but i have windows on a 60g
[05:44] <sb73542> which is what I want, I want it to be available from the console initially if needed
[05:44] <Wolfe> will it still work?
[05:44] <dennister> Wolfe: ur golden
[05:45] <karen> sb73542: I think its a problem with network manager
[05:45] <sb73542> me too
[05:45] <jason_> is it a good idea to remove ubuntu
[05:45] <dennister> that similar to what Ive got
[05:45] <snapAMD> i always start with ubuntu and add kubuntu and xubuntu from there
[05:45] <pestilence> i really don't think network manager was ready for prime time, but that's my opinion
[05:45] <firecrotch> sb73542:  Definitely a problem with knetworkmanager.
[05:45] <karen> I have problem with my pcmcia card
[05:45] <sb73542> i even tried the nm-applet instead of knetworkmanager, does the same thing
[05:45] <firecrotch> pestilence:  Better than wlassistant though
[05:45] <theamazingpotato> hey
[05:45] <Wolfe> OH CRAP
[05:45] <theamazingpotato> help
[05:45] <theamazingpotato> i need help with something else
[05:45] <pestilence> it seems like half the problems people are having with feisty (at least in this channel) is "network manager doesn't work"
[05:45] <sb73542> so it's a problem with the underlying NetworkManager service i guess
[05:45] <Wolfe> i forgot to backup my *images* on my 20g
[05:46] <chemicalvamp> my computer freezes up (onlt when amule is running) bad install? or what?
[05:46] <sb73542> ah, i'm not the only one then
[05:46] <dennister> winblows mce on one 300 g hdd, i installed kubuntu on another drive, and while I was trying to fool windows like many howtos tell you to, my kid just went and hit enter
[05:46] <sb73542> and way to revert to the version in Edgy?
[05:46] <firecrotch> I've yet to have a network problem.  Well, except when I was installing dd-wrt on my router
[05:46] <theamazingpotato> yeah but in suse the stuff worked with wine and when i do stuff in wine in this the program closes
[05:46] <dennister> voila! dual booting with no messy, un-working howtos
[05:47] <pestilence> dennister: why do you need to fool windows
[05:47] <karen> sb73542: yeah because my card isn't recognized as connected konqueror won't work.
[05:47] <sb73542> ahh, dd-wrt is another issue entirely, waiting for the next releease of that to fix some issues I'm having...
[05:47] <sb73542> hmmmm, too bad
[05:47] <theamazingpotato> maybe i should go back to suse
[05:47] <firecrotch> Ewww suse
[05:47] <dennister> pestilence: u dont...now with k/ubuntu, that the whole glory of it...but check out that phrase in linuxquestions.org
[05:48] <firecrotch> Hi Doctor_Nick!
[05:48] <pestilence> dennister: oh wow, that's sinister.
[05:49] <karen> Dr.nick: you didn't get shot by taoscowboy earlier did you??
[05:49] <snapAMD> 01:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PC             oh boy ...let the fun begin
[05:49] <dennister> sinister? what do u mean? i was a total noob back in aug/sept when i was trying out different distros for the 1st time
[05:50] <sb73542> hmmmm, any Kubuntu devs hanging out here?  Any way to fix Knetworkmanager?
[05:50] <pestilence> dennister: it's sinister that windows needs to be on the first drive.
[05:50] <dennister> but i followed howtos...and so many said you had to fool windows to get dual booting to work...........ahhhhhh
[05:51] <pestilence> dennister: that may be true, i have no idea.  i don't dual boot.
[05:51] <snapAMD> you just need a boot manager
[05:51] <sb73542> anyone here going to get mad if I hop over on #ubuntu and ask the same questions?  ;-)
[05:51] <snapAMD> lilo or something like that
[05:51] <pestilence> sb73542: no.
[05:51] <sb73542> if you're also logged onto #ubuntu go ahead and block me.
[05:51] <Wolfe> Now heres another question , with kubuntu on my 20g and windows on my 60g should i have my 60 or 20g as my master?
[05:51] <dennister> i used partition magic boot magic as the boot manager back when i was dual-booting between xp 64-bit edition and xp mce
[05:52] <MrWGW> mmmk two questions:
[05:52] <MrWGW> 1. why do OpenGL screensavers work in GNOME and not KDE
[05:52] <MrWGW> and 2. how do I get to the classic KDE ControlCenter
[05:52] <pestilence> Wolfe: it shouldn't matter.
[05:52] <dennister> and winblows is made by a sinister company...we all know that :)
[05:52] <Jucato> MrWGW: for #2. Alt+F2, "kcontrol"
[05:52] <karen> how do i change the color of my posts
[05:53] <Wolfe> ok
[05:53] <Jucato> MrWGW: you can add a menu entry for it in K Menu if you want
[05:53] <karen> never mind found it
[05:53] <MrWGW> ah ty Jucato
[05:53] <Wolfe> Grub dual loader will pop up even if my 60 is my master
[05:53] <dennister> of course, i wasn too happy to see that to be a ubuntu gold partner you have to do the same thing: install ubuntu on every desktop and only ubuntu...no other distros or OS allowed...so the customer needs don come first
[05:53] <Wolfe> right?
[05:53] <pestilence> MrWGW: in a terminal in KDE, type glxinfo
[05:53] <pestilence> see if direct rendering is enabled
[05:53] <MrWGW> I'm having a third problem also, and that is the shutdown/restart buttons don't appear in the LogOff menu in KDE
[05:54] <MrWGW> direct rendering IS enabled
[05:54] <dennister> how do i change this lousy keyboard config? ie never had this b4, lol
[05:54] <Jucato> MrWGW: are you logging into KDE from GDM?
[05:54] <pestilence> dennister: what does being a gold partner entitle you to?
[05:54] <dennister> help with marketing/advertising costs, probably
[05:56] <Wolfe> 94% :D
[05:56] <pestilence> dennister: i think it's in system settings -> Regional & language -> Keyboard layout
[05:56] <dennister> i was checking out the pros (benefits) and cons of this, but as soon as i saw that this ubuntu policy rule was identical to microshaft partner programs, i said, no thanks
[05:56] <PerfectStranger_> Query.....im using ubuntu dapper drake ........6.06lts......AM I In the wrong room on here
[05:56] <dennister> thx pestilence
[05:56] <pestilence> PerfectStranger_: you probably want #ubuntu if you aren't using kubuntu
[05:56] <PerfectStranger_> thanks
[05:57] <Wolfe> almost done :D
[05:57] <Wolfe> woohoo done
[05:57] <Wolfe> be back in a min
[05:57] <snapAMD> the ubuntu room moves too fast i like it here bette
[05:57] <snapAMD> r
[05:58] <MrWGW> Jucato
[05:58] <MrWGW> yes
[05:58] <MrWGW> I believe so
[05:58] <dennister> let's see...great! my apostrophe and following letters are working now :)
[06:00] <karen> is there a better driver for ati radeon graphics card
[06:00] <karen> than the installed by cd
[06:03] <dennister> karen: probably the proprietary ati drivers will be better for you
[06:03] <dennister> !ATI
[06:03] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:04] <dennister> because of the proprietary licensing restrictions, they can't be included in the cd's
[06:05] <karen> Thanks a bunch!
[06:06] <dennister> np...i've been helped here so many times...:)
[06:06] <cpc_> ls
[06:09] <firecrotch> Does anyone here know how I would go about learning to make graphical linux programs?
[06:10] <firecrotch> As in... what languages are used, etc?
[06:10] <karen> ubotu: the how to for ati doesn't cover feisty, only edgy and older
[06:11] <luckyone> what is a program like inkscape for kde?
[06:13] <firecrotch> luckyone: What do you mean? Inkscape runs in Linux
[06:13] <luckyone> firecrotch: it requires lots of gnome libs
[06:13] <luckyone> firecrotch: is there inkscape for kde?
[06:14] <Admiral_Chicago> I keep launching OO.o and it crashes recovering a file. how can I take it out of temp or wherever it tries to recover from
[06:14] <bizkut> kubuntu 7.04 sucks!
[06:14] <luckyone> firecrotch: ehh, forget it - it is THE best svg editor around
[06:14] <firecrotch> luckyone: you could try Karbon
[06:15] <karen> the fonts in konsole are crap.  how do i fix that
[06:15] <luckyone> firecrotch: thanks, I will give that a shot
[06:15] <ferret_0567> luckyone: I dunno about the Inkscape for KDE. How much space does the GNOME libs + Inkspace take up?
[06:15] <sb73542> karen: apt-get remove crappy-fonts-package
[06:15] <sb73542> sorry, preface that with sudo
[06:15] <ferret_0567> You could also change the fonts
[06:15] <karen> tried that
[06:16] <ferret_0567> Then it must be a Konsole specific settings
[06:16] <theamazingpotato> bye
[06:20] <Admiral_Chicago> !openoffice
[06:20] <ubotu> a free and open source office suite, including word processor, spreadsheet, presentation, vector drawing and database components.  To install: "sudo apt-get install openoffice.org". User help available in #users.openoffice.org
[06:24] <hitmanWilly> heh, apparently i just won 15 million euros in a contest i never signed up for
[06:24] <hitmanWilly> i love email scams :)
[06:25] <seidojohn> you'd better give them your bank information quick!
[06:25] <chemicalvamp> ME TOO!
[06:25] <hitmanWilly> roflol
[06:25] <seidojohn> they could give the winnings to someone else!
[06:25] <chemicalvamp> i love how they dont have a remove my email from your mailing list also
[06:25] <hitmanWilly> cool, huh
[06:25] <chemicalvamp> yeah its a cool feature how they got a new email everyday
[06:26] <hitmanWilly> i think i might play with this one a little...
[06:27] <hitmanWilly> maybe i should just forward all my spam to this address...
[06:29] <hitmanWilly> so, ringscherry-1@jmail.co.za, do you want to enlarge your penis?
[06:29] <hitmanWilly> :)
[06:29] <hatekilldestroy> oh oh oh pick me pick me!
[06:30] <fignew> wait, kubuntu makes your penis bigger?
[06:30] <chemicalvamp> lol
[06:31] <TheDebugger> Yes, i'm using it right now, my penis is indeed bigger
[06:31] <chemicalvamp> fignew i cant stop using it.. when i wake up in the morning the first thing i do is accidently nock my lamp off the table
[06:32] <hitmanWilly> XD
[06:32] <chemicalvamp> sucks running into doors before i can reach the door knob
[06:33] <dennister> u guys!
[06:33] <dennister> lol...at least i'm not the one off-topic now
[06:33] <dennister> remember: family channel! :-)
[06:33] <hitmanWilly> ok, ok, my fault...
[06:33] <chemicalvamp> :) but where tqalking about kubuntu
[06:33] <dennister> yeah....right...
[06:33] <chemicalvamp> lol
[06:34] <lorderunion> hi i've got a weird problem (that i've had since edgy a few months back) where X periodaclly restarts itself for no reason.
[06:34] <dennister> support time:  and her's a person with a problem now :)
[06:34] <lorderunion> i've tailed the logs and nothing is sent to them for some reason. no error messages. nothing. it's just as if i pressed ctrl alt backspace.
[06:35] <hitmanWilly> lorderunion, you could try to reconfig xorg
[06:35] <chemicalvamp> i freeze periodicly when im downloading (amule ktorrent) any ideas?
[06:35] <dettoaltrimenti> how can I check what kernel I'm running?
[06:35] <chemicalvamp> uname -a
[06:36] <dennister> uname `r
[06:36] <chemicalvamp> or -r
[06:36] <hitmanWilly> dettoaltrimenti, uname -r
[06:36] <dettoaltrimenti> thanks
[06:36] <lorderunion> hitmalwilly: how would i go about doing that?
[06:36] <dennister> oops...wrong advice, wrong pre-r symbol
[06:36] <hitmanWilly> dennister, i think he got it :)
[06:37] <dettoaltrimenti> I may be wrong, but I think for some reason my battery life has significantly improved
[06:37] <chemicalvamp> uname -a gives alot of info.. uname -r is just the kernel
[06:37] <dennister> hey lorderunion: have u heard about tab-completion in irc and terminal?
[06:37] <hitmanWilly> dettoaltrimenti, were you using windows before?
[06:37] <lorderunion> dennister: in the terminal, yes. irc no.
[06:37] <dettoaltrimenti> no
[06:37] <dettoaltrimenti> edgy
[06:38] <dennister> just type in "hit" here and tab, and you'll get hitmanWilly
[06:38] <lorderunion> oh heh. cool
[06:38] <dennister> saves typing for all the newbies here...good tip
[06:38] <hitmanWilly> dettoaltrimenti, hmm, better power management maybe?
[06:38] <dettoaltrimenti> maybe
[06:38] <thetarepublic> What is the command in sudo to get the Universe repository?
[06:38] <lorderunion> sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:39] <lorderunion> uncomment all universe entries
[06:39] <thebillywayne> !firewall
[06:39] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[06:39] <thetarepublic> ?
[06:39] <thetarepublic> Cannot connect to X server
[06:39] <thetarepublic> How do I restart X server?
[06:39] <thetarepublic> X.x I am new at this :P
[06:40] <hitmanWilly> thetarepublic, does it start?
[06:40] <chemicalvamp> ctlr+alt backspace
[06:40] <dettoaltrimenti> how do I update to a new kernel?
[06:40] <thetarepublic> hitmanWilly: Does what start, kate?
[06:40] <eljefe> thetarepublic: safely? log out of KDE and hit [alt] [e]   Or you can just hit [ctrl] [alt] [backspace] 
[06:40] <hitmanWilly> yes
[06:40] <thetarepublic> hitmanWilly: Because no, that doesn't
[06:40] <hitmanWilly> hmmm, weird
[06:41] <eljefe> does anyone here feel that feisty isn't as stable as edgy, and has a lot of general bugs?
[06:41] <eljefe> Kubuntu
[06:41] <hitmanWilly> eljefe, its new so its going to have a few
[06:42] <eljefe> hmm yeah i suppose so
[06:42] <hitmanWilly> give it a couple months
[06:42] <eljefe> i hope they get ironed out without having to reinstall it...
[06:42] <eljefe> i plan on giving it about... mm 6 months ;)
[06:43] <hitmanWilly> its been pretty stable for me, even back when i was using the beta
[06:44] <firecrotch> !mono
[06:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mono - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:44] <dennister> my feisty is <24 hours old, but it seems pretty good...not one crash yet
[06:44] <firecrotch> I have yet to have a major problem with feisty
[06:44] <eljefe> my herd5 seems more stable on my work computer
[06:44] <dennister> i did have edgy for last 6 months, and i experienced lots of crashes...particularly in the last month or two
[06:45] <dennister> crashes were with ktorrent since last update, and mythtv a lot
[06:45] <firecrotch> Only problem I have is Beryl doesn't want to work at startup, but beryl-manager runs fine, it just uses kwin by defaul
[06:45] <dettoaltrimenti> feisty seems very stable- it's worth the switch, just for dolphin
[06:46] <dennister> dolphin?
[06:46] <dettoaltrimenti> the new file manager
[06:46] <dennister> hmmm...why is it better than konq?
[06:47] <hitmanWilly> !dolphin
[06:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dolphin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:47] <hitmanWilly> !info dolphin
[06:47] <ubotu> dolphin: File manager for KDE focusing on usability. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.1-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 1251 kB, installed size 2252 kB
[06:47] <firecrotch> Hm... I'll have to try dolphin
[06:48] <firecrotch> Ewwww
[06:48] <dennister> k...maybe i'll check it out...i must say i like nautilus better for some things; like for making the tree view the default view; folders & icons aren't very useful
[06:48] <firecrotch> Reminds me of Nautilus
[06:49] <dennister> well, until this aft when i got all 167 parts of kubuntu-desktop installed, i was using nautilus
[06:50] <firecrotch> I think I'll be sticking with Konq, since I use it for transferring files to my server via FTP
[06:51] <dennister> what can u do...ubuntu disks are easy to come by...kubuntu not so easy, and the ubuntu-server disk i'd burnt was useless...the free disk is the only thing that saved my feisty install
[06:52] <firecrotch> dennister: What?
[06:52] <dennister> anyone know how to make the default view one of tree, vs icons, in konq
[06:52] <flowingfire> Hello all.... Wine and Cedega aren't working at all . . . it seems like a bug, but can anybody help me fix this?
[06:53] <dennister> firecrotch: what what?
[06:53] <dennister> rolflmho!
[06:53] <flowingfire> lollo
[06:53] <dennister> that's cruel
[06:54] <dsmith> it was true...
[06:54] <dsmith> glowing red hair
[06:54] <dsmith> but anyways....
[06:54] <dennister> one nasty guy or gal must've given it to her
[06:54] <mrgv> how can i get my 7+ mouse buttons working? logitech mx510.  found some guides but they are years old. and didn't seem to work for me..
[06:55] <mrgv> pls :)
[06:55] <dsmith> too mnay buttons
[06:55] <dsmith> MS Optical 4000
[06:56] <firecrotch> mrgv and dsmith: use xev to get the key codes for it
[06:56] <firecrotch> then map those to whatever you want their functions to be
[06:57] <eljefe> mrgv:
[06:57] <eljefe> Here is an Ubuntu-specific installation/editing for the 5button mouse:
[06:57] <eljefe> http://www.cs.cornell.edu/~djm/ubuntu/#enable-5button-mouse
[06:57] <eljefe> Here is a more general, somewhat confusing one but it too looks to be written for (K)Ubuntu:
[06:57] <eljefe> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-28374.html
[06:57] <eljefe> the first looks clearer
[06:58] <ncaller> well this is going to be interesting, upgrading my main development box from dapper to edgy to feisty, and here we go!
[06:58] <eljefe> ncaller: luck to you!
[06:59] <mrgv> eljefe: ty for links... gonna read em both and see if they work.
[06:59] <ncaller> hey only roughly 1300 packages to upgrade install in the first upgrade step
[06:59] <hitmanWilly> cd /usr/local/bin
[06:59] <hitmanWilly> crap
[07:00] <eljefe> lol
[07:00] <mrgv> firecrotch: xev shows repeated button numbers for the side buttons..  and in fact they are being read like copies left and right mouse clicks
[07:00] <mrgv> but off to read the guides... 2 mins..
[07:01] <flowingfire> I installed wine on Ubuntu, but it refuses to work... And I've gotten it to work before on prior installations... Any ideas of why it's simply not functioning correctly?
[07:01] <eifzon> Why cant i see afew icons on my desktop? Like i picture i downloaded?
[07:01] <eljefe> wOO HOO my k9copy works! i installed dvdrtools and mkisofs and it no longer crashes!  why oh why aren't those pulled in automatically??
[07:02] <eljefe> eifzon: are you sure that ti went there and not your /home/eifzon directory?
[07:02] <hitmanWilly> ok, does anyone know how to change the default file manager in kde? is it even possible?
[07:02] <eifzon> eljefe, i can see em when i go into my /home/eifzon/Desktop map
[07:02] <eifzon> :S
[07:02] <eljefe> hrmmmm
[07:02] <ncaller> hitmanWilly what do you want it to be?
[07:02] <hitmanWilly> ncaller, krusader, actually
[07:03] <eljefe> my HAL still doesn't work though, nor does my Kopete...
[07:03] <hitmanWilly> ncaller, used blackbox for the longest time
[07:05] <hitmanWilly> im pretty sure i could just change the konq cmd to link to krusader, but im trying to avoid brute forcing it :)
[07:05] <ncaller> is there an option to do so in kcontrol by chance?
[07:05] <hitmanWilly> ncaller, web browser, yes, file manager no
[07:06] <Jucato> hitmanWilly: Konqueror -> Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> File Associations -> inode -> directory
[07:06] <hitmanWilly> thanks Jucato
[07:06] <eljefe> can anyone decipher a dmesg error for me? hdc: error code: 0x70  sense_key: 0x05  asc: 0x24  ascq: 0x00
[07:07] <chemicalvamp> anybody got any ideas why i crash when downloading via ktorrent and amule?
[07:07] <draik> !wine
[07:07] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[07:07] <karen_> for anyone who cares, Kwifi manager help solve my wireless connection problem.  would be nice if network manager could do it without help from another app.
[07:07] <eljefe> chemicalvamp: what crashes?  i had kopete crash today, files a bug; it was an upstream fix that we've not yet recieved.
[07:10] <Doctor_Nick> FUCK
[07:10] <Doctor_Nick> liquid war is fucking addicting
[07:10] <ncaller> I'm excited to see if stability in kdevelop has been improved since dapper
[07:10] <ncaller> what is liquid war?
[07:10] <Doctor_Nick> a game for linux
[07:11] <Doctor_Nick> its in the packages
[07:11] <karen> hey konqueror works now too!  how about that.
[07:11] <Jucato> !language
[07:11] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[07:12] <dsmith> tremulous is fun
[07:12] <chemicalvamp> eljefe screen locks up, frozen
[07:13] <eljefe> not sure; just that one app/area, or the whole of KDesktop?
[07:17] <dave_> Can anyone help me troubleshoot my sound?
[07:18] <fignew> dave_: what's the problem?
[07:18] <dave_> fignew: not sure, no sound will play
[07:19] <dave_> fignew: I'm not sure if it's' an issue with ALSA or not
[07:19] <fignew> dave_: what brand/type of sound card?
[07:19] <dave_> fignew: Intel ICH6
[07:19] <fignew> dave_: laptop?
[07:19] <eifzon> how do i set anew theme?
[07:20] <dave_> fignew: IBM R52, it worked under Ubuntu (with KDE) 6.10
[07:20] <fignew> ok
[07:20] <Kikkoman> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[07:20] <Kikkoman> Xlib: No protocol specified
[07:20] <Kikkoman> How do I fix that?
[07:20] <dennister> whoever's been complaining about kopete crashing...ur right
[07:20] <eams> Hi! can someone helpme with my printer epson stylus cx3700? I'm working in Kubuntu 7.04
[07:20] <fignew> dave_: try it with headphones
[07:20] <dave_> fignew: haha, nevermind, just fixed it, missed a channel in alsamixer that was muted
[07:20] <fignew> lawl :P
[07:21] <fignew> I was gonna ask eventually
[07:21] <fignew> dave_: you just upgraded?
[07:21] <dave_> fignew: that was stupid, lol, I checked before but I must have looked over it, been checking everything for an hour too... that's frustrating, lol, thanks anyway
[07:21] <dennister> guess it's back to amsn until they fix kopete
[07:21] <Kikkoman> I've already restarted Xserver, but it still doesn't work.
[07:21] <Kikkoman> do I have to update or something?
[07:21] <dave_> fignew: no, I just haven't used sound of my laptop since I did
[07:21] <Kikkoman> I'm on Feisty
[07:22] <dennister> it's the only way i can get hold of my newly-grown son most of the time :(
[07:22] <eams> Hi! can someone helpme with my printer epson stylus cx3700? I'm working in Kubuntu 7.04
[07:22] <dave_> fignew: for some reason my xorg says it's taking 400mb of ram... I'm gonna have to look into that
[07:23] <fignew> dave_: that's normal
[07:23] <fignew> it's caching stuff
[07:23] <fignew> if you have the ram... you might as well use it
[07:23] <red22> eljefe: unfortunately, the first guide you posted (the more simple looking one) didn't work for me... i guess i'll try the longer one to see if it works..
[07:24] <dave_> fignew: yeah, but it's been jumping up an extra 400 off and on, seems weird
[07:24] <eljefe> red22: read through it a few times first, and be sure to make a backup of your xorg.conf file!
[07:24] <fignew> dave_: prob. depends on what programs are open
[07:24] <fignew> I wouldn't worry about it unless it starts acting sluggish :)
[07:25] <dave_> fignew: roger... you know of any good replacements for kicker?  it frustrates me that I can't change the text color w/o changing the background text color in the windows
[07:25] <red22> eljefe: yeah don't worry.. i've become a master of broken x recovery methods... they hard way of course. heh
[07:26] <ubuntu__> hey how do you burn a cd from a kubuntu live cd (i have 2 drives)?
[07:26] <red22> i have to go but i'll try tomorrow night again and let you know if it fixed it...
[07:26] <eljefe> sopunds good
[07:26] <red22> eljefe: just seems odd that there isn't a gui mouse setup app yet..
[07:26] <flowingfire> Woah....Maybe I know what the problem is here.... It's not letting me run anything with root privileges
[07:27] <flowingfire> It's not even asking for the password.
[07:27] <fignew> dave_: not aware of any, are you sure you can't change it individually?
[07:27] <dave_> fignew: I'd have to apply a diff to the kdebase source and then recompile... I am too lazy for that
[07:28] <fignew> dave_: I can't blame you there
[07:28] <red22> eljefe: this guide to getting the mouse working is just so damn 1990's it hurts. 'buntu needs to tackle this soon.
[07:28] <eljefe> yeah i know
[07:28] <fignew> red22: what type of mouse?
[07:28] <dave_> fignew: yeah, it's supposed to be committed in the next release but there's no eta for that yet
[07:29] <red22> fignew: logitech mx510
[07:29] <firecrotch> flowingfire: What are you trying to do?
[07:29] <WillLuongo> !printers
[07:29] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[07:30] <eljefe> flowingfire: something that you'll never find is this: if you need more printer drivers, install foomatic-db-____ (i forgot the last word there, but search in Adept)
[07:30] <linux_galore> red22: let me guess you want to configure the extra buttons ?
[07:30] <fignew> red22: check out the kde control panel when you're done... there's some logitech config options (like DPI)
[07:30] <red22> linux_galore: you got it
[07:31] <linux_galore> red22: i manually setup mine let me check of a automatic method
[07:32] <eljefe> so i know that people can get mice with extra buttones, but i kinda want to make a linux commercial for actually _unsing_ the buttons that we already have.  Kind of like "What does your middle-click do?' then a bunch of people tell us things, then "The mouse has evolved; isn't it time that your OS did too?"
[07:32] <red22> wow. i want 12 buttons. i wonder what the max useful is. love buttons.
[07:32] <fignew> red22: BTW, the xorg people are working on making everything config-file-less :)
[07:32] <linux_galore> fignew: Ive seen worse, some of the gamer units have a small keyboard
[07:32] <eljefe> fignew: its supposed to be in the June release, is it not?
[07:32] <fignew> eljefe: not sure
[07:32] <eljefe> june release of xorg 7.2 i think?
[07:32] <eljefe> ooh i hope so
[07:33] <eljefe> well sorta.. config files are nice, but their plans sound a lot nicer, so...
[07:34] <eljefe> good suspicions
[07:34] <red22> i don't have a problem with config files per se... i just like them to be fully compatible with some gui as well.. 2way editing compatible.
[07:34] <linux_galore> red22: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=150116
[07:34] <red22> and config files should be used for really picky tuning stuff. not stuff you can't live without.
[07:35] <linux_galore> red22: accept use kdm not gdm
[07:35] <eljefe> red22: well linux is made up of parts... write a gear that replaces an older one... enough of these and we'll have a whole new OS... but without the command line access we'd be in danger of a registry, etc!! lol... but seriously.
[07:36] <eljefe> anyone using konversation and can tell me how to change my exit message?
[07:37] <linux_galore> red22: everything has a config file even in windows, there are issues though with heavily automated setups ie the auto-setup app may decide that the default setting you have are crap and delete them and do its own thing
[07:38] <linux_galore> red22: Ive seen windows users just about climbing the wall because they cant get some auto setup tool to stop shafting all their settings
[07:39] <red22> linux_galore: one of the best apps i've tried is xgl/beryl as far as config goes. that little manager app does a terribly awesome job of keeping you away from config files, for example.
[07:40] <rohan> is there any kde based webcam framegrabber app, like camorama /
[07:40] <red22> eljefe: i'm using konversation but cant find tht yet.. i know i saw it somewhere before..
[07:40] <linux_galore> red22: well on the next release cycle hardware integration with the desktop will be totally redone (sound too) so that standardised front end config tools can be created without all the issues we have now
[07:41] <rohan> linux_galore: you mean, next release cycle of kubuntu, or kde ?
[07:42] <linux_galore> red22:  its called "solid" and the sound stuff is called "phonon" -> http://dot.kde.org/1177385913/
[07:43] <linux_galore> rohan: well kde 4 will be released about the same time as gutsy
[07:43] <rohan> linux_galore: yes, but iirc, plan is to have kubuntu 7.10 with kde3.x and release a new kubuntu cd with kde4 once kde4's released
[07:44] <red22> linux_galore: that will be nice for sure.  just a few little details like that missing to have everything work smoothly.
[07:45] <linux_galore> rohan: yeah, 4+6 = 10 , the early test release will be out but the stable wont be until the November
[07:45] <Jucato> most likely Gutsy won't have KDE 4
[07:45] <rohan> exactly, linux_galore
[07:45] <red22> linux_galore: very informative link ty.  is there an approx date on that next kde?
[07:45] <linux_galore> to be honest though KDE 4 wont be fully functional till around the 4.1 release
[07:46] <rohan> linux_galore: lol, who said that ?
[07:46] <linux_galore> red22: i was reading a post about some of the integration for solid and the 3D effects with plasma
[07:46] <Jucato> rohan: KDE devs. KDE 4.0 != KDE 4
[07:46] <kkerwin> Hi. #vmware seems awfully quite, but does anyone know how to image an existing harddisk to run vmware off of that image?
[07:47] <linux_galore> oops
[07:47] <rohan> Jucato: can you link me to where they said ? :o this is quite surprising news for me
[07:47] <linux_galore> rohan: i was reading a post about some of the integration for solid and the 3D effects with plasma
[07:47] <Jucato> rohan: no single "article" that says it all. it's scattered throughout blogs of kde devs
[07:48] <Jucato> rohan: and there's nothing surprising about it
[07:48] <rohan> well, then why not further delay it and release 4.0 with what they have in mind for 4.1 ?
[07:48] <Jucato> KDE 4 refers to the "entire" KDE 4 lifecycle, which includes KDE 4.0, KDE 4.0.x up to KDE 4.x
[07:48] <linux_galore> yeah, you really need to get an rss news readr for the dev news
[07:48] <Jucato> rohan: because that's not how things work
[07:48] <Jucato> KDE 4 = KDE 4.0 up to KDE 4.x
[07:49] <Jucato> just like KDE 3 = KDE 3.0 to KDE 3.5.x
[07:49] <rohan> yes, i understood that. but i am surprised by what linux_galore said -
[07:49] <rohan> 11:15 < linux_galore> to be honest though KDE 4 wont be fully functional till around the 4.1 release
[07:49] <rohan> then 4.0 will be a quick-and-dirty release ?
[07:50] <Jucato> no
[07:50] <linux_galore> rohan: thats no KDE 4.0 itself that will work fine its all the client layer crap
[07:50] <Ultra5mrad> huh
[07:50] <linux_galore> not*
[07:50] <Jucato> rohan: it's just that there will be some features that might not make it in time. probably like nepomuk-kde and akonadi (not sure on the latter)
[07:50] <rohan> linux_galore: ah, i see ..
[07:51] <linux_galore> Jucato: the Amarok team seem to be ahead on version 2
[07:51] <Jucato> rohan: KDE 4.0, like any other "first" release, will be a release that introduces new stuff. it just means that there will be more to come in 4.0+
[07:51] <rohan> Jucato: ah, i see
[07:51] <Jucato> linux_galore: Amarok is on extragear. they are not bound by KDE's release cycles
[07:51] <Ultra5pam> yeah more garbage in the gutter called KDE
[07:52] <Jucato> rohan: it's not like once they release KDE 4.0 (take not, KDE 4.0, not KDE 4) all new developments will stop
[07:52] <rohan> Ultra5pam: huh ?
[07:52] <linux_galore> Jucato: Im just saying when 4.0 is released Amarok 2.0 will be well and truly ready
[07:52] <rohan> Jucato: ah, i see
[07:52] <rohan> thanks for clarifying that
[07:52] <Jucato> what will be released on October is KDE 4.0. KDE 4 is just a lifecycle... which won't end until KDE 5.0 is released or even more
[07:52] <Ultra5pam> rohan: KDE is full of junk and no professionalism
[07:52] <Jucato> Ultra5pam: please take your spam elsewhere
[07:53] <rohan> Ultra5pam: thanks, but we are not interested
[07:53] <Ultra5pam> my spam is welcome here.
[07:53] <linux_galore> Jucato: but the October release isnt the final stable though
[07:53] <Jucato> linux_galore: probably true. but how can you build a solid house when the ground isn't as solid? :D
[07:53] <Ultra5pam> use GNOME!
[07:53] <Jucato> linux_galore: it's the "target" release date of 4.0 "stable"
[07:53] <Ultra5pam> use REDHAT
[07:54] <Ultra5pam> REDHAT+GNOME=VICTORY
[07:54] <rohan> Ultra5pam: then why are you here ? to rant /
[07:54] <Jucato> Ultra5pam: again, stop the spam and drop the caps
[07:54] <linux_galore> Jucato: the date im seeing is November (early)
[07:54] <Jucato> we'll have to wait and see. at least they have a target :D
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[07:55] <Ultra5pam>     * 1 History
[07:55] <Ultra5pam>     * 2 The Fedora Project
[07:55] <Ultra5pam>     * 3 Business model
[07:55] <Ultra5pam>     * 4 Programs and projects
[07:55] <Ultra5pam>           o 4.1 One Laptop per Child
[07:55] <Ultra5pam>           o 4.2 108
[07:55] <Ultra5pam>           o 4.3 Mugshot
[07:55] <Ultra5pam>           o 4.4 Dogtail
[07:55] <linux_galore> click*
[07:55] <Ultra5pam>           o 4.5 Red Hat Magazine
[07:55] <Ultra5pam>           o 4.6 Red Hat Exchange
[07:55] <Ultra5pam>     * 5 References
[07:55] <Jucato> grr I'm lagging
[07:55] <crimsun> e
[07:55] <hitmanWilly> saw that one coming...
[07:56] <Ultra5pam> hey guys
[07:56] <rohan> sucker, Ultra5pam
[07:56] <Ultra5pam> sup?
[07:56] <linux_galore> dont know why you would bother spamming an IRC channel your so easily ignored
[07:57] <red22> ouch no more spam
[07:57] <Jucato> pfft :(
[07:57] <linux_galore> heh
[07:58] <red22> hehe
[07:58] <Jucato> you were saying? >:)
 rohan: KDE is full of junk and no professionalism <--- LOL!
[08:00] <red22> well guys thnx for help. i'll try some of those guides til one works.  i'll come back tomorrow and let you know how that went.
[08:00] <red22> gn
[08:00] <linux_galore> red22: just put the lines from that last url i handed out in the file mentioned and it works] 
[08:00] <rohan> fignew: lol indeed, because i can say the same for his darling gnome ... :D
[08:01] <Jucato> let's not get into a KDE vs GNOME "discussion" ok? :)
[08:01] <Jucato> (we already know the truth anyway :P)
[08:01] <linux_galore> Gnome. whats that ?
[08:02] <fignew> Jucato: I think there's a conscientious in this channel already :P
[08:02] <Jucato> s/conscientious/concensus :)
[08:02] <fignew> yea
[08:02] <fignew> that didn't look right :(
[08:03] <Jucato> didn't read right either. :/
[08:03] <red22> linux_galore: ok ty i will start with that one then. hopefull end with it too :) gn
[08:03] <fignew> lol
[08:04] <fignew> the two are converging, I'd say xfce is getting heavier
[08:04] <linux_galore> I noticed xfce need 64mb of ram now
[08:04] <Jucato> and GNOME? is getting heavier-er?
[08:04] <linux_galore> needs*
[08:04] <Jucato> bah nvm
[08:04] <rohan> linux_galore: lol
[08:05] <rohan> bbl
[08:05] <fignew> hehe Jucato
[08:05] <linux_galore> if you remove all the user cruft from gnome you basically have xfce 4
[08:06] <Jucato> well... not entirely though... but...
[08:07] <linux_galore> Jucato: Im being ironic about the way the Gnome people are creating usability via a featureless desktop
[08:08] <linux_galore> I used BB for about 5 years
[08:08] <Jucato> I used Windows for about 5 years. does that count? :D
[08:08] <linux_galore> nothing like restarting a desktop in less than 4 seconds heh
[08:09] <linux_galore> Jucato: be surprised how many Linux people use OSX or Windows still and turn up for the LUG meetings
[08:10] <Jucato> I only use it for games now...
[08:10] <linux_galore> Jucato: I use my XBOX for games
[08:11] <dani> my kubuntu wireless internet doesn't work
[08:11] <linux_galore> Jucato: might update to a PS3 soon
[08:11] <linux_galore> dani: and
[08:11] <dani> how can i download the packages manually and put them on the flash drive
[08:11] <dani> ndisgtk and dependencies
[08:12] <dani> linux_galore: can u help me plz
[08:12] <linux_galore> dani: just download the file with a web browser
[08:13] <dani> linux_galore: via web from where and how do i know what the dependencies re
[08:13] <dani> *are
[08:13] <linux_galore> dani: you dont
[08:14] <dani> linux_galore: is ndisgtk available on the alternate install
[08:15] <linux_galore> dani: you just need to add the server to you /etc/apt/source.list  file and then sudo apt-get update then just install the package with sudo apt-get install whatever
[08:16] <dani> linxu_galore: my prob is i can't access internet from kubuntu
[08:16] <dani> linux_galore: but i found the packages site for ubuntu hopefull they work good on kubuntu too
[08:16] <dani> http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/net/
[08:17] <linux_galore> dani: the idea with Linux is to not download anything, if you cant find it just add the server that does have the package to your sources.list file
[08:18] <linux_galore> dani: I dare say the package is on one of the ubuntu repositories you just havent enabled it yet
[08:18] <dani> linux_galore: how do i enable it
[08:18] <jason_> i need help i try to update to the 7.04 and i got an error and after restart i cant get into add/remove or update program
[08:18] <dani> ndiswrapper was included in default with 6.10 but not in 7.04
[08:19] <linux_galore> dani: open the adept package manager  View -> Manage Sources   then add the server
[08:20] <linux_galore> anyway Im off
[08:20] <stefan_> hi everyone
[08:21] <stefan_> i have a problem using the xserver-xorg-video-intel
[08:21] <stefan_> driver
[08:21] <stefan_> i have a i855GM chipset
[08:21] <stefan_> after installing it i can boot the xserver but
[08:21] <stefan_> after typing in my passwd it restarts kdm
[08:21] <Maxdamantus> How does one use 1280x1024 in kubuntu?
[08:21] <stefan_> launchpad is offline
[08:22] <stefan_> there are several other users reporting this bug
[08:22] <Maxdamantus> I changed my xorg.conf similar tot he way I changed my old one.
[08:22] <stefan_> but no answer until now
[08:22] <stefan_> @<Maxdamantus> try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:24] <Maxdamantus> How do I select things in this?
[08:24] <Maxdamantus> I think I'm stuck in a scrollbar.
[08:25] <Maxdamantus> Ah, Escape worked.
[08:25] <stefan_> use the arrow-keys - should work
[08:25] <stefan_> ok
[08:27] <Maxdamantus> Escape seems to have taken me through all the options.
[08:27] <Maxdamantus> From what I know, adding "1280x1024" to xorg.conf should've worked.
[08:27] <Maxdamantus> Oh, I missed one.
[08:31] <chemicalvamp> anybody on that would know why i crash when dowloading using ktorrent or amule?
[08:31] <chemicalvamp> crash = freezes screen and mouse
[08:32] <levon> hey guys i need some help just installed kubuntu and cant figure out the su password
[08:32] <flowingfire> Does anybody know about editing a bash profile?
[08:32] <levon> how do i change this
[08:33] <flowingfire> You trying to do su - ?  Lol I don't think that works in kubuntu
[08:33] <stefan_> your su passwd equals your user passwd
[08:33] <stefan_> try sudo
[08:33] <levon> yes
[08:33] <levon> sudo?
[08:33] <stefan_> or sudo su
[08:33] <levon> still asks for password
[08:33] <stefan_> sudo <command>
[08:33] <stefan_> yes
[08:33] <levon> and i put my pass but it doesnt work
[08:33] <stefan_> its the same as your user passwd
[08:33] <levon> yes
[08:33] <stefan_> strange
[08:33] <levon> exactly the same
[08:33] <stefan_> yes
[08:34] <levon> i know in the other one ubuntu it was the same way
[08:34] <levon> but i changed it through a program
[08:34] <Jucato> !sudo | levon
[08:34] <ubotu> levon: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[08:34] <levon> and i was able to type su then pass then what ever command
[08:34] <chemicalvamp> doing su though logs u on as root, root:machine$
[08:35] <Jucato> levon: when using sudo, you enter  your own (user's) password. there is no root password because the root user is disabled
[08:35] <flowingfire> I have a set of instructions telling me to add lines to a bash profile or /home/.bashrc
[08:35] <flowingfire> How do u do that?
[08:35] <chemicalvamp> remember though anything that opens a gui like konqueror or kate needs to be kdesu
[08:35] <chemicalvamp> !kdesu
[08:35] <ubotu> In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[08:35] <Jucato> flowingfire: open it in any text editor. the correct path is /home/username/.bashrc
[08:35] <flowingfire> ok.... will do.
[08:35] <Jucato> flowingfire: the '.' at the start of the filename means that the file is hiddent
[08:35] <Jucato> -t
[08:36] <flowingfire> Thank you!
[08:36] <levon> try this goto your comand prompt and type su
[08:36] <levon> sorry i program lol go to*
[08:36] <chemicalvamp> anything you would need to do as su can be done with sudo or kdesu
[08:36] <levon> thats super user but your password wont work on it
[08:37] <levon> im very use to typing su is there anyway i can use this command
[08:37] <chemicalvamp> su password is set default
[08:37] <Jucato> levon: yes I now. that's because there is no root user/password enabled by default on Kubuntu
[08:37] <Jucato> levon: on Kubuntu, we use sudo/kdesu
[08:38] <Jucato> see the link the bot gave above
[08:38] <levon> aww
[08:38] <levon> aright well if i figure out how to change this ill let you know so if someone else has a problem like this one then you can let them know :)
[08:38] <Jucato> there isn't really "a problem" here
[08:38] <Jucato> and if you read that page, you'll know why
[08:39] <chemicalvamp> levon sudo passwd
[08:40] <levon> i got it lol im the man
[08:40] <Jucato> although that will be confusing. kdesu will still use sudo even if you enable the root user account
[08:41] <levon> watch this one goto system settings check show system accounts double click root then goto the password system tab type your password have fun
[08:41] <chemicalvamp> levon even though you can use su now, im sure we all ould recommend you to use sudo (for comand line programs) and kdesu (for graphic programs) instead
[08:41] <Jucato> levon: did you even read the page?
[08:41] <chemicalvamp> levon "sudo passwd" will allow you to set the password
[08:41] <levon> lol sudo and su is the same
[08:41] <Jucato> no it is not
[08:42] <levon> betch you try it
[08:42] <levon> ive got 100 dollars
[08:42] <Jucato> which means you didn't read the page
[08:42] <guhhh> eee nice
[08:42] <guhhh> _4strO: my beryl is working now XD
[08:42] <levon> try it then if you dont believe me su password then type apt-get install tremulous or a program
[08:43] <Jucato> su is not sudo. just because they seem to work the same after you enabled the root account doesn't mean they are
[08:43] <chemicalvamp> please look http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17920/
[08:44] <chemicalvamp> logging on as root (SU) and running as root (sudo, kdesu) are very differnt
[08:44] <levon> okay so i think i know what the diffrence is one su will add the programs to su account if you use a sudo then they get placed on the user account still to me its the same im a reg user right now i goto my command prompt and type su what is the diffrence fill me in?
[08:44] <chemicalvamp> you dont need to enable it either.. look at the paste
[08:45] <Jucato> levon: still wrong
[08:45] <chemicalvamp> levon SU logs you in as root...
[08:45] <levon> jucato whats the diffrence if i use su and type password then install as opposed to sudo install
[08:46] <levon> chemical im in kde as levon i goto the console type su password it doesnt log me in
[08:46] <Jucato> levon: the difference is who does the installing. not where. because they all end up in the same place, no matter who installs them
[08:46] <chemicalvamp> like i been telling you
[08:46] <levon> so why would it be wrong jucato to do it my way?
[08:46] <Jucato> good luck chemicalvamp
[08:46] <chemicalvamp> levon "sudo passwd"
[08:46] <chemicalvamp> run it
[08:46] <levon> k hold on
[08:46] <chemicalvamp> and be happy with your root password
[08:47] <gsuveg> re
[08:47] <Jucato> levon: if you read that page that I've been pointing you to, you'd know
[08:47] <chemicalvamp> just be warned.. dont mess anything up
[08:47] <Jucato> while it's not really  *wrong*
[08:47] <levon> okay brb ill read
[08:47] <gsuveg> setting up dual head with different resolution is to hard ?
[08:47] <Jucato> it's not advisable, specially not on Kubuntu
[08:47] <chemicalvamp> he will learn from this, its all good jucato
[08:47] <levon> okay i understand
[08:47] <Jucato> chemicalvamp: depends if he listens at all
[08:48] <levon> its a precaution for people who dont know what they are doing correct
[08:48] <Jucato> like I said. good luck
[08:48] <levon> so they cant crash their systems
[08:48] <chemicalvamp> well from how many times i said sudo passwd i think we might have a loss
[08:48] <levon> if they type a command wrong
[08:48] <MajorApus> how do I see what driver my nic card uses
[08:48] <levon> i have used opensuse linux for about 6 years
[08:49] <chemicalvamp> levon root is the user that has access to everything, can do anything (includng mucking up alot of stuff)
[08:50] <levon> im sure of it but i would really like to have power at my finger tips its like a car if a robot dove your car all the time and you couldnt go any faster then 24 mph wouldnt you be a little annoyed and you know your car can go at least 200 mph so your wasting the car. thats how i feel with the computer all that power that im limited too.
[08:51] <levon> :)
[08:51] <levon> thank you for the input though seriously i appreciated it
[08:51] <Jucato> levon: you already have that power with sudo
[08:52] <Jucato> what you can do as a separate root user with su, you can do as your user with sudo (and kdesu)
[08:52] <levon> jucato okay ill use sudo
[08:52] <Jucato> just don't start GUI apps with su or sudo
[08:52] <Jucato> !kdesu
[08:52] <ubotu> In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[08:52] <levon> oh i dont plan too
[08:52] <levon> to*
[08:53] <levon> lol i know better then that. its a major security issue
[08:53] <levon> :P
[08:53] <levon> aright i have to get off now ill be back in awhile need to set up ndiswrapper
[08:53] <Jucato> only if you're running apps that go online (IRC, IM, Browser)
[08:53] <levon> yep
[08:54] <levon> jucato is it okay if i mark ya on my list
[08:54] <Jucato> what list?
[08:54] <levon> friends or something or other references
[08:54] <levon> addy i think it is
[08:54] <Jucato> sure. I'm here most of the time
[08:55] <levon> alright well i have to be off i just didnt want you guys to think im rebeling against you i was just curious no harm ment i hope you guys know that :)
[08:55] <levon> take care and thank you for the help :)
[08:57] <achandra> hey
[08:57] <achandra> Wireless Issues!
[08:57] <achandra> is anyone one a master here? :-)
[09:03] <MajorApus> whats the line I have to put at the beginning of a bash script file
[09:03] <MajorApus> #bash/ something or another
[09:04] <WillLuongo> Has anyone had any success getting Vice working in Kubuntu?
[09:10] <ale84> hi all sorry just a little information .. I tried to install amsn but doesn't work by apt-get install it says that is imposs bile to find amsn .. how come ?? I have to upload something ??
[09:11] <sonoftheclayr> !find amsn
[09:11] <noiesmo> ale84, amsn is in universe repos have you enabled universe
[09:18] <ubotu> Found: amsn
[09:18] <Jucato> oh that's a terrible lag ubotu :D
[09:20] <dettoaltrimenti> what's a program for KDE that lets you change your settings for when your laptop is unplugged?
[09:22] <Jucato> guidance powermanager (it's installed by default but forgot where it is)
[09:22] <insmod> dettoaltrimenti: : to do what
[09:22] <dettoaltrimenti> power management
[09:22] <dettoaltrimenti> nevermind, I found something
[09:24] <levon> ah okay i have another question where is my other hard drive located in opensuse it was /windows then in ubuntu it was mounted in media but now i cant find the darn thing im going to try mount /media/hdb but i dont know if thats going to work
[09:24] <achandra> can anyone help me to get this wireless up and running.. I am using a Intel Pro/Wireless 2200BG connection..
[09:25] <levon> achandra you need repositories umm ipw
[09:25] <levon> search that in your software management
[09:25] <levon> ipw
[09:25] <Jucato> software management = Adept Manager in Kubuntu :)
[09:25] <levon> load those up should work
[09:25] <Jucato> that's so yast-ish :P
[09:25] <levon> jucato lol
[09:25] <levon> :P
[09:25] <levon> will take me some time
[09:26] <Jucato> at least you called it "repositories" and not "catalogs" or "sources" :P
[09:26] <levon> :)
[09:26] <levon> i try hard i do
[09:26] <Jucato> about your question, it depends on where you chose to mount your other hard drive during the installation
[09:27] <levon> well i must not have :P
[09:27] <Jucato> or where you choose to mount your hard drive now. anywhere would do. but Kubuntu advocates mounting everything in /media
[09:27] <levon> will that command work mount /media/hdb
[09:27] <levon> aright ill see if this works
[09:28] <Jucato> it's usually "mount /dev/hdxx /media/mountpoint"
[09:28] <Jucato> of course if you want to make things permanent, you'll have to put it in fstab
[09:28] <Jucato> or going the GUI route: yast -> Advanced -> Disk & Filesystem
[09:29] <Jucato> oh krap. I meant System Settings -> Advanced -> Disk & Filesystem
[09:29] <levon> lol
[09:29] <levon> i was going to say yast
[09:29] <Jucato> now you got me confused :P
[09:29] <levon> i tried yast at console didnt work out so well
[09:29] <levon> lol
[09:31] <levon> found it
[09:31] <levon> oh you will like this i cant enable it but ill mount this sucker up in a heart beat
[09:32] <levon> mount /dev/hdd1 /media/
[09:32] <levon> :P
[09:33] <levon> now its time for ndiswrapper -i driver fun lol
[09:33] <Jucato> wha?
[09:33] <Jucato> you mounted it on /media itself?
[09:34] <Maxdamantus> configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables << Is that normal?
[09:34] <levon> jucato nope i meant what i said lol its just hanging around now till i get this installed then ill unmount it
[09:35] <Kikkoman> Maxdamantus: You need to install build-essential
[09:35] <Kikkoman> Maxdamantus: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[09:35] <Maxdamantus> Ok, thanks.
[09:35] <Jucato> levon: er... um... if you mounted it in /media only, it's going to mess with other mount points such as cdrom, usb, etc. that's what I meant...
[09:36] <levon> aww its okay for now
[09:36] <levon> fix everything in a sec just wanting to get this darn cord off my computer its bugging me
[09:36] <Jucato> as long as you don't plug any USB device or cdrom in, it will be ok... hopefully...
[09:36] <levon> lol
[09:38] <levon> done
[09:38] <levon> okay give me a second im going to see if i get on again
[09:42] <levon_> woops
[09:42] <levon_> lol okay trying to find restricted devices for nvidia driver
[09:43] <Jucato> depending on your card, you have nvidia-glx-new, nvidia-glx, and nvidia-glx-legacy
[09:43] <Jucato> !nvidia | levon_
[09:43] <ubotu> levon_: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:43] <Kite_DH> how to cook eggs
[09:44] <Kite_DH> need help
[09:44] <Kite_DH> please
[09:44] <Jucato> O.o
[09:44] <Kite_DH> lol
[09:44] <levon_> get a frying pan then find fire
[09:44] <Kite_DH> o_o
[09:44] <levon_> heat pan up throw in egg hold your breath
[09:44] <Kite_DH> no, not that
[09:44] <Kite_DH> i mean...
[09:44] <levon_> dash of salt and pepper
[09:44] <levon_> breath
[09:44] <levon_> lol
[09:44] <Kite_DH> like with water
[09:45] <Kite_DH> i dunno how
[09:45] <Jucato> hm... let's not get offtopic ok?
[09:45] <levon_> oh okay
[09:45] <Kite_DH> aight ;)
[09:45] <levon_> your trying to make poched
[09:45] <Kite_DH> #kubuntu-offtopic
[09:45] <levon_> eggs
[09:51] <levon_> be back in a little bit im taking a shower
[09:52] <master_> salut
[09:52] <flaccid> prost
[09:52] <master_> Quels sont les retours Kubuntu feisty
[09:53] <flaccid> !fr
[09:53] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[09:53] <flaccid> is that french?
[09:53] <flaccid> or something else
[09:53] <master_> yes it is
[09:53] <flaccid> ok
[09:53] <master_> y a t-il un canal frenchouille ?
[09:54] <flaccid> i can't speak french sorry
[09:55] <master_> Merci pour les canaux. Bye everybody.
[09:55] <flaccid> ca0
[09:55] <flaccid> cia0
[09:58] <ricardo> hey guys ...Since i updated to feisty i dont get automatically connected to the internet....
[09:58] <ricardo> i have a pcmcia wifi card....
[09:58] <ricardo> so every time i boot i have to use the wireless assistant
[09:58] <ricardo> any ideas?
[09:59] <flaccid> !wireless
[09:59] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:59] <flaccid> check thats its enable in /etc/network/interfaces
[10:01] <WillLuongo> Hello, I am trying to apply a patch, but I keep getting a "You cannot save the destination file" error. Any ideas?
[10:01] <ale84> anyone can tell me the names of the themes the cool one I saw few days ago a quick movie about !!
[10:01] <ricardo> thx flaccid
[10:02] <flaccid> np
[10:02] <ricardo> flaccid: i have this:
[10:02] <ricardo> auto ath0
[10:02] <ricardo> iface ath0 inet dhcp
[10:02] <ricardo> wireless-essid CHAMPOLLION
[10:03] <ricardo> CHAMPOLLION is my wifi network
[10:03] <flaccid> !pastebin
[10:03] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[10:03] <flaccid> i guess that looks valid
[10:04] <flaccid> i don't know why its failing. its pretty typical of kubuntu as well. i had to remove networkmanager / knetworkmanager to fix this myself
[10:10] <Contrast83> Greets, everyone...
[10:11] <os2mac> have there been any updates since the release?
[10:11] <Contrast83> Can someone point me in the direction of where to find out how to set up Apt so that it ignores certain packages when doing "apt-get dist-upgrade" (specifically, the packages I've designated as "Lock Version" in Synaptic)?
[10:13] <matt__> anyone here know anything about cpu frequency scaling on a core duo laptop?
[10:14] <matt__> Just installed feisty on an hp nx6320, and the guidance power thingy shows my cpu frequencies (both processors) at  0
[10:15] <Tm_T> os2mac: not that I know
[10:15] <matt__> \/proc/cpuinfo shows that both are running at 1662 MHz
[10:15] <Tm_T> os2mac: though there's few small updates from desktop cd I think
[10:16] <insmod> sorry
[10:18] <os2mac> I am running installed. so it should have found them.
[10:27] <johnt> !chat conventons
[10:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about chat conventons - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:27] <johnt> !chat conventions
[10:28] <rkazak> just finish installing kubuntu on my old hp zd7000 laptop - all went ok!  thanks...
[10:32] <johnt> !chat rules
[10:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about chat rules - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:34] <johnt> Where can I find out about the cat conventions for here, how to address people, like when to use <nick> or nick:
[10:35] <johnt> chat spel
[10:35] <Maxdamantus> johnt, Like this is fine.
[10:35] <Maxdamantus> johnt: Or like this.
[10:35] <rkazak> is there a difference?
[10:35] <Maxdamantus> Comma and colon. :P
[10:36] <CrazyRobot> i asked this same question in #beryl and got no response.  How do you get 4 different backgrounds for the 3d cube?
[10:36] <Maxdamantus> No one really cares, they usually just use whatever TAB gives them in their client.
[10:36] <johnt> Maxadamus: what does the <nick> give??
[10:36] <rkazak> CrazyRobot: in the beryl config tool
[10:36] <Contrast83> CrazyRobot: You have to use Beryl Desktop Manager.
[10:37] <Maxdamantus> Johnt: In what?
[10:37] <CrazyRobot> right, i know i checked that option, but i get nothing but one desktop and a completely transparent background for the other 3
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[10:38] <Maxdamantus> It's someone's nick.
[10:38] <Contrast83> rkazak: Really? The Wallpaper Manager plugin has been missing for quite a while in the version of Beryl I'm using.
[10:38] <Maxdamantus> What are you asking exactly?
[10:38] <johnt> so there is no diff between : , and <>
[10:39] <Maxdamantus> There isn't any official universal standard at how you address people over IRC. :P
[10:39] <Contrast83> CrazyRobot: What do you mean you checked that option? Just to make sure we're talking about the same thing, you know Beryl Desktop Manager is a seperate program that you have to download seperately from Beryl, right? It's not one of the settings in Beryl Settings Manager.
[10:39] <johnt> Maxadamantus: I thought the had different meanings but i was perhaps wrong
[10:39] <CrazyRobot> nope, but now i do.  thanks. ;)
[10:39] <Maxdamantus> You don't even need to, just convenient to "highlight" the particular person you're talking to.
[10:40] <Maxdamantus> If it's a crowded channel.
[10:40] <Contrast83> CrazyRobot: No problem. Good luck with getting it to work. I've heard of widely varying degrees of success.
[10:40] <johnt> Maxadamantus: OK then thanks for that!!
[10:40] <Maxdamantus> If there are 20+ people talking, it's hard to see who you're helping, but most clients change the colour of the line if it has their nick in it.
[10:41] <Maxdamantus> So saying their nick often makes it easy to see.
[10:41] <Calilasseia> Hello ... I have a MAJOR problem ... Kubuntu won't start properly ....
[10:41] <Contrast83> CrazyRobot: It might be more trouble than it's worth, as the only way I know of to get it is by downloading the source from the Beryl-GIT repository, and compiling it from there.
[10:42] <Calilasseia> Last night I experienced problems, so I selected "End session" from the menu, and from that point on I've been unable to log on ....
[10:42] <Maxdamantus> Calilasseia, what does it say when you try, and are you able to log on as root?
[10:42] <Calilasseia> Every time the X server starts, it pops up a message box saying "unable to write to /tmp"
[10:42] <Maxdamantus> Log onto root, and "chmod 777 /tmp"
[10:42] <Calilasseia> I can boot up in recovery mode in a terminal, but the X server refuses to run ....
[10:42] <Calilasseia> I did that ...
[10:42] <Maxdamantus> Or, if you can get into a user terminal, do it with sudo
[10:43] <Calilasseia> Did a chmod on /tmp ...
[10:43] <Maxdamantus> 777?
[10:43] <Calilasseia> Yes, chmod 0777 /tmp
[10:43] <Calilasseia> Even weirder is this - I booted in recovery mode, and it tells me it can't find something called dcopserver ....
[10:44] <Calilasseia> AND ... it says "out of file space on root"
[10:44] <Calilasseia> But when I do an ls -l, I have 15 gigs of space ....
[10:44] <Maxdamantus> How much space do you have left on /?
[10:44] <Maxdamantus> Do you have any other partitions auto mounted in fstab?
[10:45] <Maxdamantus> To somewhere like /home or /usr or /root, etc
[10:45] <Calilasseia> My installation is split into different partitions ... one for /, one for /hoe, one for /usr and another for the sapw space ... as far as I'm aware they're all auto mounted ....
[10:45] <dettoaltrimenti_> calilasseia- put your fstab in the pastebin
[10:45] <Maxdamantus> Where's root's home directory?
[10:46] <Calilasseia> Trouble is I can't check fstab AND report back directly because I'm having to use Windows to chat to everyone ....
[10:46] <Maxdamantus> :S
[10:46] <Maxdamantus> irssi?
[10:46] <Calilasseia> irssi? Never heard of it ....
[10:46] <dettoaltrimenti_> something like this happened to me before- I had to go into fstab and change the UUIDs just to the filepath- like /dev/sda1 etc
[10:46] <Maxdamantus> It's an IRC client that you can use from the terminal.
[10:47] <dromer> irssi++ \o/
[10:47] <Calilasseia> Oh and another weird phenomenon is this - every time I try to use man, it bombs out again claiming there's no space on root to unpack the files ....
[10:47] <mastermind> how to uninstall kubuntu
[10:47] <dromer> why do you want that mastermind ? :(
[10:48] <Calilasseia> So I just type irssi in the terminal, or do I need parameters?
[10:48] <Alarm> goodmorning . i got a serious and comlpicated problem with my tv tuner. its a leadtek winfast xp 2000 expert. the problem doesnt seem to be on kubuntu (as i had the same problem on kubuntu 6.10 , 7.04, and as also on last reelase of debian.) . When opening an application for the tv tuner, no matter if this is kdetv, tvtime , mythtv, and close the application, the application closes but then the sound still continues to play. But thats not the mai
[10:48] <Alarm> n problem as i could simply turn down the volume. the problem is that after this happens, some of the commands dont work (like ps for example), neither does my system shut down anymore. it just hangs and never turns off. The only thing i can do is to reset. The point is that this happens the 80% of the times i turn of the tv application, the other 20% when i close the app the sound also closes. any suggestions what could i check ?
[10:48] <dromer> Calilasseia: no you will probably have to install it first
[10:48] <mastermind> because i wanna install the latest version of kubuntu
[10:48] <Contrast83> Can someone point me in the direction of where to find out how to set up Apt so that it ignores certain packages when doing "apt-get dist-upgrade" (specifically, the packages I've designated as "Lock Version" in Synaptic)?
[10:48] <dromer> mastermind: so you first want to uninstall ??
[10:49] <mastermind> yeah
[10:49] <Calilasseia> Oh bugger ... it's looking as if I am ging to have to reinstall the OS ...
[10:49] <dromer> mastermind: why? you can just upgrade you know
[10:49] <Contrast83> mastermind: Are you just wanting to start with a clean slate? Because you know it's possible to simply upgrade without uninstalling, right?
[10:49] <mastermind> yeah
[10:49] <dromer> Calilasseia: why do you need to reinstal the os?
[10:50] <mastermind> i jus want to start wit a clean state..
[10:50] <Maxdamantus> Calilasseia, pastebin your /etc/fstab
[10:50] <Calilasseia> If I can't run a browser, how am I supposed to do that?
[10:50] <dromer> Calilasseia: btw, if your gonna use irssi I advice you to put it in a screen, but maybe that's a bit too advanced for now ;)
[10:51] <levon> hey guys im stuck at the terminal i apt-get b@#@x and i need to know where x11 is located at so i can move the back up
[10:51] <mastermind> dromer: can u plz help me out...
[10:51] <mastermind> i want it from a clean state..
[10:51] <kefah> hello. I got a quick question; that google didn't help me answer :how can someone build a customized version of kubuntu?
[10:52] <Calilasseia> Fortunately I don't have a lot of material to lose if I reinstall ... and it's all backed up elsewhere anyway ... I'm thinking a reinstall is going to be less messy in the long run ....
[10:52] <levon> opening up the source files
[10:52] <kefah> I mean custom set of packages
[10:52] <Contrast83> mastermind: All you have to do is back up what you want to move over to the clean slate, then pop in the installation disc for Feisty. It'll automatically install over your current system unless you explicitly tell it to do otherwise.
[10:52] <kefah> I read about UCK but that seems to be as simple as building a spin with language different options.
[10:52] <johnt> levon: does control f7 get you back??
[10:52] <Maxdamantus> Calilasseia, "sudo apt-get install pastebinit && pastebinit /etc/fstab"
[10:53] <dromer> mastermind: well, just pop in the new install cd and overwrite ovorything .. that would be the most easy way :P unless there are certain things you want to keep, in that case an upgrade would be better imho .. what do you want to do speciffically?
[10:53] <levon> contrast83 im stuck at terminal where is x11 located file directory i need to move the back up x11 config file to main
[10:53] <levon> man these fonts are huge
[10:54] <Contrast83> levon: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[10:54] <levon> im trying to install nvidia and was following the directions and then this happened lol
[10:54] <Contrast83> levon: Did you install linux-restricted-modules-generic?
[10:54] <mastermind> well  i jus wanna removw the current version and install the new version...thats it..
[10:54] <levon> aww okay thank you
[10:54] <levon> nope didnt say that
[10:54] <Calilasseia> I tried upgrading the OS last night and adept fell over ....
[10:54] <Contrast83> levon: Yeah, I know. I found out the hard way too. :-P
[10:54] <Calilasseia> Would that have something to do with my current woes?
[10:54] <levon> so apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-generic
[10:54] <levon> lol okay
[10:54] <Contrast83> Right
[10:54] <kefah> could any help my poor soul?
[10:54] <Contrast83> Then reboot
[10:55] <levon> thanks ill see you soon in gui lol
[10:55] <levon> how to exit
[10:55] <Contrast83> levon: You may have to run nvidia-glx-config enable also
[10:56] <mastermind> excuse me guys ...plz help me t fix it...
[10:57] <Contrast83> kefah: No idea, but if you find out, let me know. I'd be most interested. :-D
[10:57] <kefah> Contrast83 : Thanks :-) I'll do my best to figure it out and let you know.
[10:57] <levon> lol well i do have it installed
[10:58] <levon> linux-restricted-modules-generic
[10:58] <Contrast83> levon: Did you already run sudo nvidia-glx-config enable?
[10:58] <levon> nothing was updated so im not sure whats up i installed the nvidia-glx
[10:59] <levon> ill try that i think i did ill try again
[10:59] <levon> brb
[10:59] <Contrast83> Can someone point me in the direction of where to find out how to set up Apt so that it ignores certain packages when doing "apt-get dist-upgrade" (specifically, the packages I've designated as "Lock Version" in Synaptic)?
[11:00] <levon> yes i ran that command
[11:00] <levon> i remember seeing that my x11 was changed
[11:00] <levon> wow everyone is leaving i hope they say thank you
[11:01] <Contrast83> levon: Hmm... Have you had nVidia's proprietary driver working previously with this card?
[11:02] <levon> on opensuse 10.2
[11:02] <levon> oh also on ubuntu
[11:02] <Contrast83> And it definitely wasn't the Legacy driver, right?
[11:02] <levon> right
[11:02] <Contrast83> Hrmm...
[11:03] <levon> im running nvidia geforce 4 440 mx 8x 64mb ddr
[11:03] <levon> 91.31 i think thats from opensuse 10.2 that i can remember
[11:03] <Contrast83> I'd probably go ahead do sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[11:03] <Contrast83> Then once you're back in the GUI, you might be able to find something from there.
[11:04] <levon> okay
[11:04] <Contrast83> (That's the command that resets your xorg.conf to its defaults)
[11:04] <levon> sounds good thank you for your help see you in a bit contrast
[11:04] <levon> noticed :P
[11:04] <levon> brb
[11:04] <Contrast83> No problem. Good luck, peace...
[11:05] <sanityx> Is there an IRC command to display the number of users in a room?
[11:05] <TuTuFF> is anyone aware of the issues reported in Feisty and knetworkmanager, and whether these have been resolved?
[11:06] <levon> xserver-org isnt configured i dont think im running that
[11:06] <levon> oh xorg
[11:06] <levon> right?
[11:06] <sredna> hi
[11:06] <levon> brb i think thats the typo
[11:06] <uczen2> kutasy z was
[11:06] <Sesshoumaru> how do i make my user have full permissions like root
[11:07] <Contrast83> Sesshoumaru: You don't.
[11:07] <Contrast83> :-)
[11:07] <Sesshoumaru> lol
[11:07] <johnt> sanityx: It shows on your chat client
[11:07] <Maxdamantus> Not possible. :P
[11:07] <|demortes|> Sesshoumaru: Love the name.
[11:07] <Sesshoumaru> :P
[11:07] <|demortes|> Sesshoumaru: Interesting character, don't like him much, but love the reference
[11:07] <sredna> is the current kubuntu kmail version encoding-wise broken, or are my peers using bad clients?
[11:07] <sanityx> johnt: No it doesn't.
[11:07] <sanityx> johnt: It shows a list of users but not the total count.
[11:08] <Maxdamantus> sanityx, the client is expected to find out with "WHO #chan"
[11:09] <sanityx> It does display the result of who, just not a total. I mean I can always do a /who but that takes forever
[11:09] <johnt> Sanityx: It changes as people drop in and out
[11:09] <sanityx> johnt i realize that.
[11:09] <ubuntu_> nick marnick
[11:10] <Contrast83> Can anyone here tell me how to pin a package to a certain version so that it will be ignored when apt-get dist-upgrade'ing?
[11:10] <johnt> Sanityx: So that should be the number of users???
[11:10] <sanityx> johnt No, chatzilla doesnt display the number of users. It displays a list, but no total count.
[11:10] <Contrast83> I couldn't find anything in man apt regarding this. :-\
[11:10] <sanityx> oh wait. yes it does. its just not in the usual spot :-P
[11:10] <sanityx> i found it :-D
[11:11] <johnt> Sanityx: My display is around 378 at the moment
[11:11] <sanityx> mm
[11:12] <johnt> Sanityx: What do you get??
[11:12] <sanityx> 380
[11:12] <flowingfire> Hi there... If anybody wants a little fun, go the the terminal and type "apt-get moo"
[11:12] <johnt> Sanityx: We are on the same page now ??
[11:12] <marnick> Hi, I allowed adept to start upgrading my edgy distribution to feisty fawn.  The upgrade crashed out halfway and now I can't boot the machine.  I have been able to boot using a live cd and fsck'd the drive. no errors.  I get the impression the boot failure is happening after the /dev/hda1 drive check, the only other partition is the swap drive. help !
[11:12] <simo> hi... i've got a little problem...
[11:12] <sanityx> yeah
[11:13] <johnt> Sanityx: 10 4
[11:13] <Sesshoumaru> ...."Have you mooed today?"...
[11:13] <rosco> all of my usb drivers stops workin after couple of minute use.. what to do?
[11:13] <simo> if i try to listen an mp3 whit amarok it ask me to install an mp3 support but than crash...
[11:13] <Maxdamantus> simo, try again.
[11:13] <simo> ok
[11:13] <Maxdamantus> It did that to me the first time.
[11:13] <Maxdamantus> Then didn't crash the 2nd.
[11:14] <flowingfire> I certainly have mooded today, sesshoumaru
[11:14] <marcspages> Hi fellow Tux's. Anyone know how to get Konqueror's buttons back after upgrade to Feisty? I've hunted forums and Internet in general and not reported (yet).
[11:14] <simo> it is blocked...
[11:14] <Sesshoumaru> how can i.. like auto login for the keyrings.. like for my wireless
[11:14] <simo> the ogg music works...
[11:15] <levon> aright im back from console
[11:15] <levon> lol when i booted in constrast it showed my nvidia logo?
[11:15] <johnt> levon: are you in gui??
[11:15] <levon> i think its working now im not sure i selected nvidia from the list
[11:15] <levon> yep im back in to the gui
[11:15] <Malph> simo: have you used apt get to install the mp3 libraries
[11:15] <johnt> good
[11:16] <levon> how can i tell if nvidia is working now?
[11:16] <simo> what's the name of the mp3 libraries?
[11:16] <johnt> Play a 3d game
[11:17] <levon> does apt-get install tremulous work?
[11:17] <Contrast83> levon: After selecting the nvidia driver, did you already restart X?
[11:17] <levon> yes
[11:18] <Contrast83> levon: Search for "nv" (with the quotes) in your xorg.conf.
[11:18] <Sesshoumaru> change to "nvidia"
[11:18] <Sesshoumaru> :P
[11:18] <Sesshoumaru> Muahahha
[11:18] <Contrast83> Bing.
[11:18] <kraut> moin
[11:18] <levon> contrast location im use to opensuse so im not sure where it might be /etc
[11:19] <Contrast83> levon: /etc/X11
[11:19] <berkes> konq. is acting weird. It keeps saying that it cannot connect to the server. yet I do have network connection. All other KDE apps can access internet.
[11:19] <levon> k
[11:19] <levon> see that hasnt changed
[11:19] <berkes> any idea where to look? It seems to me that kio_http or so is broken/defunced
[11:19] <levon> oh im stupid lol brb
[11:20] <Maxdamantus> berkes, are you trying to use a proxy?
[11:20] <johnt> levon: you can use gui package manager search glx  it will show the installed drivers if you dont like you can change from there remove one select another
[11:20] <levon> lol
[11:21] <Malph> simo: it's been a while since I had to install them but i think it's libxine-extracodecs
[11:21] <berkes> Maxdamantus: not that I am aware of. if so, then konq decided that on its own.
[11:21] <berkes> i'll check the settings. sec.
[11:21] <Contrast83> So no one here knows how to pin a package to a certain version so apt-get upgrade won't affect it?
[11:21] <levon> its okay im going to do a sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:21] <Maxdamantus> Tools > HTML settings
[11:21] <simo> i have... it works...
[11:21] <levon> then find "nv"
[11:21] <Maxdamantus> If the proxy is enabled, it says "Disable proxy"
[11:21] <levon> :)
[11:21] <berkes> Maxdamantus: no proxy. Nor a SOCKS
[11:22] <johnt> contast: I went and had a look but no I do not
[11:22] <Contrast83> johnt: Thanks anyway.
[11:22] <simo> i tried with libxine1-kde and libxine1-ffmpeg and it works
[11:22] <Contrast83> simo: Are you just trying to play MP3's in Amarok?
[11:22] <berkes> Maxdamantus: the weird thing is that killing konq and kio_http does not bring it back to the original state.
[11:23] <Maxdamantus> Dunno.
[11:23] <Maxdamantus> Try #kde
[11:23] <Maxdamantus> I myself don't use Konqueror.
[11:23] <levon> omg gedit is damn gnome how do i uninstall packages apt-get --purge gedit? ill use sudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.config
[11:23] <Maxdamantus> Firefox ftw
[11:23] <simo> yes... whith vlc was good
[11:23] <Contrast83> simo: Because there's a special package for that, whose name escapes me at the moment. I'd just try searching for "mp3 amarok" (no quotes).
[11:24] <berkes> ftw?
[11:24] <levon> is my command line right to remove about 100 mb worth of gnome stuff lol
[11:24] <Maxdamantus> For the win
[11:24] <simo> ok, now it works, no problem... whit libxine1-kde is ok
[11:24] <Sesshoumaru> For The Win!
[11:25] <Contrast83> levon: What command prompted that?
[11:25] <johnt> rm -i should kill everyting gaaaaaa!!!
[11:25] <levon> im a test out this line hope its right apt-get remove --purge gedit
[11:25] <Maxdamantus> johnt, try rm -rf *
[11:25] <berkes> Maxdamantus: yea, i'm personally no fan of FF. but thats not really the issue :)
[11:25] <levon> oh i noticed that when i installed gedit i realized thats gnome
[11:25] <Sesshoumaru> rm -r /usr/
[11:25] <johnt> sorry
[11:25] <Contrast83> levon: Why not just use Kate?
[11:26] <levon> so now im thinking ill just use sudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.config
[11:26] <levon> haha finished my sentence
[11:26] <Contrast83> Bing.
[11:26] <Contrast83> Hehe
[11:26] <levon> yes im going to but i already installed gedit rofl
[11:26] <levon> so apt-get remove --purge gedit should work well right?
[11:26] <Contrast83> levon: For simple things like this, nano is also good.
[11:27] <levon> thats a new one
[11:27] <Maxdamantus> Most apps developed for KDE start with K, and likewise, GNOME apps sometimes start with G. :P
[11:27] <levon> how does nano work?
[11:27] <Contrast83> levon: It's terminal-based.
[11:27] <Maxdamantus> gedit = gnome edit. kdeit = kde edit
[11:27] <levon> lol maxamantus i thought i was still using ubuntu
[11:27] <levon> :P
[11:28] <flowingfire> hehe... if anybody here has gnome installed with KDE, go to gnome, press alt-F2 and type "free the fish"
[11:28] <Maxdamantus> You are using ubuntu. But with a KDE session.
[11:28] <levon> thats what i ment
[11:29] <Magian> The fish have been freed!  Funny...
[11:29] <levon> okay so to remove my mistake i would type apt-get remove --purge gedit? i dont want to be wrong
[11:29] <levon> how do i get rid of all the dependencies
[11:29] <Contrast83> levon: No, I don't believe so...
[11:30] <Contrast83> levon: I think apt-get autoremove
[11:30] <levon> oh okay
[11:30] <Contrast83> Then look over the packages to be removed before proceeding
[11:30] <dromer> ok, I think I'm ready to go to feisty .. what is the best way to dist-upgrade ?
[11:30] <levon> yes thats nice
[11:31] <levon> do ya feel lucky im thinking of a number try to guess it its between 1-10
[11:31] <Contrast83> levon: Just be careful with autoremove. It's been known to get rid of things users want to keep.
[11:31] <Sesshoumaru> can somebody help me.. i can't installed wine correctly.. i have ubuntu 7.04 .. (i had it working once before)
[11:31] <Sesshoumaru> and how do i kill this fish!?! lol
[11:32] <levon> ill try
[11:32] <berkes> HMM it seems all of kdesktop fails to load http documents. If i run klauncher, click an url in konversation etc. all fail
[11:32] <johnt> dromer: I was told if you are stil on dapper you have to upgrade to edgy befor you go to fiesty dont know the reason though
[11:32] <Magian> aptitude dist-upgrade
[11:32] <dromer> johnt: I am on edgy
[11:32] <dromer> Magian: but, do I best go out of kde and do things from console?
[11:33] <Contrast83> Does anyone know if Trevino's going to be repackaging his Miscellaneous Ubuntu Packages repository for Feisty?
[11:33] <johnt> dromer: then you should be ok but i am going to over install to be safe
[11:33] <levon> xlib connection to :0.0 refused by server Xlib no proto spec kwrite cant connect to X serv :0.0
[11:33] <dromer> johnt: what do you mean "over install" ?
[11:33] <Magian> dromer: you can do it from within Konsole, or you could always just use Adept
[11:33] <johnt> dromer: use a cd
[11:33] <Contrast83> dromer: I upgraded from within KDE and haven't had any problems.
[11:34] <levon> aww i know
[11:34] <levon> bingo
[11:34] <levon> :P
[11:34] <Maxdamantus> Ah. Nice to have sound again..
[11:34] <Maxdamantus> Though I did like Gentoo. :S
[11:34] <flowingfire> seehoumaru: I have no idea how to kill the fish... Mine is still swimming all over my screen.
[11:34] <Contrast83> levon: sudo nano /etc/x11/xorg.conf, then Ctrl+W = "nv" (with quotes)
[11:35] <levon> yep
[11:35] <Contrast83> Sesshoumaru: Open KSysGuard, search for "fish" and umm... kill that process.
[11:35] <levon> there is no nv its already nvidia
[11:35] <Contrast83> Just guessing.
[11:35] <Contrast83> levon: Then you're using the glx driver. ;-)
[11:35] <levon> okay nice
[11:35] <dromer> Magian Contrast83 : ok thnks, time to go then :) I waited so long before going to edgy on my desktop :P  hardly got used to it ;)
[11:36] <levon> woot now whats next <---------------------scratches his head aww i wanted to see if i could translate the menus into cambodian for my father in law but now im not sure after this setup might mess things up
[11:36] <Sesshoumaru> Contrast83: .. i was joking about that
[11:36] <dromer> heuh: No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
[11:37] <dromer> I'm not on feisty already am I? o.O
[11:37] <dromer> that would be weird .. maybe I upgraded in my sleep ..
[11:37] <Contrast83> Sesshoumaru: Ohh, heh... Sorry, I'm dense.
[11:38] <Magian> dromer: what if you do aptitude dist-upgrade?
[11:38] <dromer> Magian: that's what I did ..
[11:38] <johnt> Dromer: What script did you use
[11:38] <Magian> ???
[11:38] <Contrast83> dromer: You already changed your sources.list?
[11:38] <levon> onward my fellow linux users onward push the great walls of entrapment to the ground and see forth your own eyes the land, the land of freedom
[11:38] <dromer> Contrast83: ah .. duh :P
[11:38] <levon> lol i like that
[11:39] <flowingfire> sesshoumaru: I actually can't install Wine correctly either.. I've tried symantic, apt-get, adept, and automatix... None of them can get it working right on my system.
[11:39] <Magian> dromer: try Adept yet?
[11:39] <flowingfire> Let me know if you have any leads
[11:39] <Contrast83> dromer: Can never be too sure with some people on here. ;-)
[11:39] <dromer> Contrast83: there was a nice console line for doing that :P
[11:39] <dromer> Magian: no, not yet
[11:39] <Magian> Give it a shot
[11:40] <Sesshoumaru> flowingfire: its just weird cause it worked before..  i wonder if stuff is messing with it like beryl and such. i don't know..
[11:40] <dromer> Magian: where is it ?
[11:40] <levon> brb ps thank you contrast83 for your help
[11:40] <flowingfire> sesshoumaru: Strange, because I had it working too.. And I installed beryl
[11:40] <Contrast83> No problem
[11:40] <dromer> Magian: ah, found it :)
[11:40] <flowingfire> Sesshoumaru: I installed all sorts of other stuff too though.
[11:41] <Magian> I am on my SLED10 work laptop, but I believe it is under System
[11:41] <Magian> Good!
[11:41] <levon> lol and you too johnt
[11:41] <levon> thank you
[11:41] <flowingfire> Sesshoumaru: My installations refuse to establish a virtual C drive permanently, and give shell erros... And I can't browse files.. You?
[11:41] <johnt> levon: glad it is working :-))
[11:41] <levon> so am i very happy
[11:42] <levon> now to get mp3 working
[11:42] <johnt> levon: I cant help with the cambodian though sorry
[11:42] <levon> ill read this one
[11:42] <levon> lol oh the cambodian i know how to do it
[11:42] <Sesshoumaru> flowingfire: wine works but theres no shortcuts or anything. like its a old release
[11:42] <dromer> Magian: manage repositories?
[11:43] <levon> its just once i get it on im not sure if i can read it and get it back to english
[11:43] <levon> lol
[11:43] <flowingfire> sesshoumaru: hmm... You thought beryl might be screwing with it... Got any other leads?
[11:43] <Sesshoumaru> flowingfire: and it doesn't open msi files
[11:44] <johnt> Sesshoumaru: did you do wineconfig??
[11:44] <rolando> hi
[11:44] <Sesshoumaru> flowingfire: hm..
[11:44] <rolando> what is the feisty package with the new wlan configuration tool?
[11:44] <Magian> dromer: at the top...Full Upgrade
[11:44] <Sesshoumaru> johnt: whats the command
[11:45] <rolando> i think ive uninstalled it when removed kaffeine
[11:45] <johnt> Sesshoumaru: I will go look back soon
[11:45] <flowingfire> sesshoumaru: alt-F2, "winecfg"
[11:45] <dromer> hmm, where did Magian go?
[11:46] <dromer> Welcome to Ubuntu 7.04 'Feisty Fawn' << yay \o/
[11:47] <dromer> hmm, have to remember to enable "third party entries" in my sources list ..
[11:47] <Maxdamantus> Aw. Can't apt-get multiple apps at the same time?
[11:48] <Maxdamantus> Portage > apt-get tbh
[11:48] <johnt> Sesshoumaru: winecfg
[11:48] <MuJ> of course you can
[11:48] <dromer> Maxdamantus: you can apt as many as you want
[11:48] <Maxdamantus> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[11:48] <Maxdamantus> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[11:49] <Alarm> seems like that
[11:49] <Alarm> adept_manager maybe
[11:49] <Alarm> or u dont use sudo
[11:49] <dromer> Maxdamantus: use sudo
[11:49] <Maxdamantus> ...
[11:50] <Maxdamantus> If I wasn't using sudo, it would say "Are you root?"
[11:50] <Alarm> i use kubuntu 7.04 , i got a simple problem i guess. every time i reboot , the settings for the refresh rate of the monitor change to 75hz and not to 85hz that i am setting it. i change that from the nvidia setting tool.
[11:50] <Alarm> Maxdamantus,  should it ask you if u ate breakfast ?
[11:50] <Maxdamantus> No, that's none of it's business.
[11:50] <dromer> Maxdamantus: no it wouldn't say that always
[11:51] <johnt> flowingfire: sorry I did not see you had answered sesshoumaru
[11:51] <Maxdamantus> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[11:51] <Maxdamantus> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[11:51] <mlv> hola
[11:51] <Maxdamantus> :P
[11:51] <Maxdamantus> Told ya so.
[11:51] <dromer> Maxdamantus: have you even tried to use sudo ?
[11:51] <Maxdamantus> Most apps do that.
[11:51] <mlv> irc spanish?
[11:51] <Tired_> How do I add stuff to my K menu?
[11:51] <flowingfire> johnt: :) all good
[11:51] <Maxdamantus> Dromer, saying it would say "Are you root?" is implying that I did.
[11:51] <Alarm> Maxdamantus,  maybe you couldnt access cause u dont own the file. it could be someone elses file, and not urs, so you wouldnt have to be root but the owner of the file
[11:51] <Maxdamantus> And yes, I did.
[11:52] <Alarm> so why would it ask u if you are root ?
[11:52] <Maxdamantus> Because I was showing what happened if I did it without sudo.
[11:52] <Alarm> did u fix the problem yes or no ?
[11:52] <dromer> Maxdamantus: ok, but, perhaps considering the first error: another proces is using it?
[11:52] <Maxdamantus> That's when I tried with sudo.
[11:52] <Maxdamantus> And yes, apt-get is installing something else atm.
[11:53] <dettoaltrimenti_> maxdamantus- "dpkg --configure -a"
[11:53] <dromer> yay, fetching upgrades at ~6000kb/s \o/
[11:53] <Alarm> Maxdamantus, then u cannot use apt at this moment
[11:53] <Tired_> Is there some kind opf functional equivalent of exploring the start menu in XP?  something I can use to rename, rearrange, and add new K menu entries...
[11:53] <dromer> ok I'm lying, more like ~5000kb/s :P
[11:53] <Maxdamantus> Thanks. That's the answer I was waiting for.
[11:53] <levon> now that is done woot im on a roll
[11:53] <Alarm> but u didnt ask it in that way :)
[11:53] <Maxdamantus> I did actually.
[11:54] <Maxdamantus> "Aw. Can't apt-get multiple apps at the same time?"
[11:54] <flowingfire> Tired_: Right click on your menu bar
[11:54] <dromer> Tired_: you want to manage you kmenu right? do right click > unlock panels > Menu editor
[11:54] <Tired_> Sweet!
[11:54] <dromer> :)
[11:54] <dromer> way better than "exploring the start menu" of windows imho ;)
[11:55] <Tired_> how about tray icons?  how do I make an app start up automatically when I log in to KDE?
[11:55] <johnt> agree!!!!!
[11:55] <Alarm> i got a simple problem i guess. every time i reboot , the settings for the refresh rate of the monitor change to 75hz and not to 85hz that i am setting it. i change that from the nvidia setting tool.  From the monitor display setting , i cant find 85hz to set it . on kubuntu 6.10 i remember i didnt have any problem with that.
[11:55] <Tired_> <-- new user, just switching to kubuntu
[11:55] <flowingfire> alarm: is 85hz in xorg.conf?
[11:56] <dromer> < Maxdamantus> "Aw. Can't apt-get multiple apps at the same time?"  << sorry, I guess I didn't understand this in the first place, your right that apt can only handle 1 session at a time but you can install multiple apps in 1 session
[11:56] <Alarm> yes
[11:56] <dettoaltrimenti_> alarm- http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=83973
[11:56] <dromer> Tired_: good for you! :)
[11:56] <Alarm> even if i save to xorg file from the nvidia tool it doesnt change anything. on the next reboot i am again on 75hz
[11:56] <Tired_> still have lots to learn
[11:56] <Tired_> :)
[11:56] <dromer> Tired_: me too :)
[11:56] <flowingfire> tired_: I'm new to this too. :)
[11:56] <Alarm> and as i said from the monitor display setting i got 145hz , 95hz and then something with 60
[11:57] <levon> sweet i like that validating spash screen thats awsome
[11:57] <flowingfire> alarm: I've had stuipd problems with the nvidia driver too...
[11:57] <dromer> I really need a new mobo and proc soon, this hw is ancient :P
[11:58] <Maxdamantus> How?
[11:58] <Sesshoumaru> i had nvidia problems too.. but i fixed them
[11:58] <Tired_> i just got new hardware to go with the kubuntu install...twas quite a nice upgrade
[11:58] <Alarm> flowingfire,  the point is that on kubuntu 6.10 i didnt have that problem. i know its not such a difficult to solve problem. but as i newbie i dont know where to check. and why i got those silly refresh rates in the monitor siplay setting tool
[11:58] <dromer> Maxdamantus: how to install more programs at the same time in apt?
[11:58] <Maxdamantus> dromer, I bet my mobo is ancienter than yours.
[11:58] <Tired_> not everyday you get to increase your processor with one that's six times faster
[11:59] <Alarm> and i am 90% sure that i am using the same monitor as in kubuntu 6.10 (generic 1600x1200 76hz )
[11:59] <dromer> Maxdamantus: haha, well, I'd like some better performance on my desktop, this is some amd1700 system
[11:59] <dromer> Tired_: haha, true, the hw available today is insane :P
[11:59] <Maxdamantus> My motherboard doesn't even have a site.
[11:59] <johnt> dromer: apt-get install foo bar foobar barfoo
[12:00] <dromer> johnt: ekcuse me?
[12:00] <dromer> johnt: why do I need that?
[12:00] <Maxdamantus> johnt, he was making a rhetorical question sort of to me.
[12:00] <Maxdamantus> Wasn't asking how to.
[12:00] <johnt> dromer: did you want to multi install with apt???
[12:01] <johnt> sorry guys I need to pay more attention
[12:01] <Maxdamantus> He was confirming that that was what I meant by my question. :P
[12:01] <dromer> johnt: no, that was Maxdamantus
[12:01] <Tired_> so, say I found this wicked cool program...lets call it "Yakuake" (since that's what it's called).  If I want it to run automatically every time I log in, how do I do that?
[12:01] <dromer> so Maxdamantus, do it like johnt said :P
[12:02] <Maxdamantus> Yea, too late now. I'll do it next time.
[12:02] <levon> okay i have to restartbe back in a min
[12:02] <Maxdamantus> First time I've used a debian system :P
[12:02] <johnt> dromer: OK I am a bit too keen to help I guess
[12:02] <levon> not that im that important lol
[12:02] <Jucato> !autostart | Tired_
[12:02] <ubotu> Tired_: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[12:02] <dromer> ok, so the Dist Upgrade tool is giving me some output: Which services should be restarted to make them use the new libraries?
[12:02] <SubOne> is there a way to get a process to start outputing to a new console window i've opened?
[12:02] <dromer> johnt: nothing wrong with that :)
[12:02] <Tired_> thanks Jucato
[12:03] <Jucato> :P
[12:03] <Maxdamantus> Actually. My motherboard does have a site.. Kind of.
[12:03] <Tired_> that Yakuake works really nicely with Beryl
[12:03] <flowingfire> Isn't Ubotu sexy?
[12:04] <Maxdamantus> Specs for the mb on hp's site. :d
[12:04] <Tired_> I certainly think so.
[12:04] <flowingfire> Oh yeah. :)
[12:04] <Maxdamantus> flowingfire, I say it's the desktop environment that makes it look "sexy".
[12:05] <Maxdamantus> Ubuntu is the kernel, and has a modified KDE.
[12:05] <flowingfire> LOL Maxdamantus
[12:05] <Tired_> lol, but ubotu is the IRC bot  :)
[12:05] <dromer> hehe
[12:05] <Maxdamantus> Oh, nvm.
[12:05] <flowingfire> I made my KDE look like Windows XP.  You can all kill me now.
[12:05] <Maxdamantus> Thought you misspelled ubuntu.
[12:06] <dromer> flowingfire: do you at least use beryl? :P
[12:06] <Tired_> I did the same...sorta made me feel better while I transition
[12:06] <flowingfire> yes, I use beryl
[12:06] <dromer> ok, than it's ok ;)
[12:06] <aziz> hey ppl, my system locked up yesterday when I wanted to shut it down. I killed it by holding the power button for five seconds. today I booted again and fsck checked the file system. it really had to fix a lot of blocks and nodes, but now KDE seems to be broken...
[12:06] <dromer> flowingfire: can you give a screenshot? :)
[12:06] <aziz> do you think I can reinstall KDE with apt-get somehow?
[12:06] <Maxdamantus> apt-get install kde
[12:06] <Maxdamantus> I suppose.
[12:06] <aziz> should i remove it first?
[12:07] <flowingfire> dromer: Yeah, but I'll have to exit gnome first...
[12:07] <flowingfire> brb....
[12:07] <Maxdamantus> Ask an expert. I don't know how apt-get fully works yet.
[12:07] <dromer> flowingfire: why are you in gnome then?
[12:08] <dromer> aziz: I'm sorry I can't help, but it sounds like you really need some expert knowledge on this yes, perhaps ask in #kde ?
[12:08] <dromer> ok, two hours till upgrade is ready ...
[12:08] <aziz> hm, but it's somehow also a generic question
[12:08] <aziz> general
[12:08] <aziz> because it also killed some files from Opera
[12:08] <dromer> aziz: yes I understand
[12:09] <dromer> good luck anyway !
[12:09] <aziz> do you think I can safely remove KDE, boot into a shell then install KDE again?
[12:10] <dromer> aziz: I wouldn't do anything uncertain without an expert backing it up ;)
[12:10] <dromer> so don't try to make assumptions and fool around ;)
[12:10] <dromer> you might break it even more ;)
[12:10] <dromer> at least that's my opinion :P
[12:12] <thau> hey folks, im considering changing to kubuntu. can you give some of the best parts of kubuntu over ubuntu? :)
[12:12] <aziz> hm, ok I'll see if someone in #kde can answer my question. thanks anyway
[12:12] <Tired_> uh, KDE?
[12:12] <thau> kde over gnome that is :P
[12:13] <thau> just want to know whats better with kde, since im not very familiar with it.
[12:13] <tmske> thau, do you use ubuntu now? you can always install kde in ubuntu and test it
[12:13] <Malph> personally the only reason i prefure kde is amarok
[12:13] <Tired_> i think kio is nifty stuff
[12:14] <thau> tmske: true, was planning on doing a fresh install anyway tho. last time i tried kde was ages ago on gentoo
[12:14] <johnt> thau: my opinion for what it is worth is that kde has a LOT more config options than gnome all though I actually prefer gnome
[12:14] <dettoaltrimenti_> aziz- why do you want to reinstall KDE?
[12:14] <aziz> dettoaltrimenti_: because it's half broken
[12:14] <levon> aright i have a couple more questions does kubuntu have any icon theme packages to download something scifi like out there
[12:14] <tmske> then just try kde again and then you can see for yourself
[12:14] <aziz> the taskbar only has the opera icon for example
[12:15] <aziz> and all kubuntu theme settings are lost
[12:15] <flowingfire> how do u save as a jpeg in gimp?
[12:15] <dettoaltrimenti_> aziz- you can do sudo apt-get check, then sudo apt-get -f to try and fix it
[12:15] <Tired_> odd...is kcontrol on the K menu anywhere?
[12:15] <thau> johnt: customize the panel and such?
[12:15] <Maxdamantus> aziz, maybe your ~/.kde perms are wrong.
[12:15] <aziz> dettoaltrimenti_: i'll try that
[12:16] <flaccid> flowingfire: save it as whatever.jpg
[12:16] <flowingfire> k
[12:16] <aziz> Maxdamantus: yeah I remember fsck had to fix a few things in that dir
[12:16] <johnt> thau: yes anyting gnome will do kde seems to do a bit more of
[12:16] <thau> johnt: sounds like a big plus to me :P
[12:16] <Maxdamantus> Try setting it to 600 under your user.
[12:17] <Maxdamantus> Though if they were the wrong perms, it should give you a permission error.
[12:17] <Tired_> hmm.  I need an opinion.  what's the most convenient way to keep mounting and unmounting your data cd's and dvd's?
[12:17] <aziz> dettoaltrimenti_: apt-get -f doesn't do anything
[12:17] <johnt> thau: some people like it I found the endless config options a bit overwhelming when I was new to Linux
[12:17] <Tired_> i've been mounting them with K3b and unmounting with Kwikdisk, but that's not elegant\
[12:17] <Maxdamantus> Tired_, doesn't ubuntu automount and autounmount to /media?
[12:17] <flaccid> Tired_: by putting them in the drive?
[12:18] <thau> johnt: true, might get confusing heh
[12:18] <dettoaltrimenti_> aziz- were there any broken packages when you did sudo apt-get check?
[12:18] <Tired_> flaccid -> that doesn't automount me
[12:18] <aziz> dettoaltrimenti_: no
[12:18] <Maxdamantus> Tired_, try lubricant.
[12:18] <flaccid> hald should automount by default. if it doesn't kubuntu has failed.
[12:18] <flaccid> hald is responsible for this
[12:18] <dettoaltrimenti_> aziz- ok, if you still think it's broken, you can restart and log into the terminal and sudo apt-get remove then reinstall it fine
[12:18] <aziz> dettoaltrimenti_: i think apt can't recognize damages to single files
[12:19] <johnt> Thau; yes but you may like it every one is different
[12:19] <flowingfire> Ok-- this one is for dromer and all you who want to puke over Kubuntu made to look like Windows XP.  http://flowingfire.googlepages.com/kubuntuXP.jpg
[12:19] <thau> johnt: well ill try it out at least thanks for the info ^^
[12:19] <aziz> dettoaltrimenti_: ok, I have no other option...
[12:20] <Tired_> !automount
[12:20] <dromer> < Malph> personally the only reason i prefure kde is amarok << \o/
[12:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about automount - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:20] <Tired_> i can't seem to make Amarok 'see' my music collection...it's on a Samba drive
[12:20] <flaccid> Tired_: try #amarok
[12:20] <Tired_> i can load songs individually, but not the collection
[12:21] <flaccid> yeah
[12:21] <Tired_> oh, i'm not too worried about it
[12:21] <flaccid> i would be, i've had it before myself
[12:21] <Tired_> my nice speakers are still on my XP box
[12:22] <levon> oh very nice i found a theme slick icons
[12:22] <flaccid> dang
[12:22] <dromer> protty cool flowingfire, though personally I hate the blue's of xp :P I always went back to a custom 98 look :P
[12:22] <levon> im using koramic
[12:22] <levon> i think thats right lol
[12:23] <flowingfire> thx dromer . :-D
[12:23] <Tired_> can I use 'dd' to copy my whole hard drive to another drive?  like to migrate to a different physical boot drive, taking out the one that's in here now?
[12:24] <Tired_> or will I still need to use Ghost from DOS?
[12:24] <levon> how do would i go about enabling transparency for the k menu bar and shrink it down width wise a bit
[12:25] <tmske> Does someone know if there exists a standalone app like the window you have in IDEs that shows all the files of a project and all the classes, methods and attributes
[12:25] <Tired_> ooh, never thought of that
[12:25] <Maxdamantus> Is kubuntu pronounced as the k being separate, or all as one word?
[12:25] <Tired_> I always say KOO-bun-TOO
[12:26] <dromer> me too :P
[12:26] <Maxdamantus> Ok.
[12:26] <Tired_> but I suppose it could be K-Ubuntu
[12:26] <thau> sounds wierd tho :P
[12:26] <Maxdamantus> I've always thought of it as K-Ubuntu
[12:26] <Tired_> fits with K-everything-else
[12:26] <Maxdamantus> K-Write
[12:26] <Tired_> yeah
[12:27] <Maxdamantus> Almost all KDE based apps.
[12:27] <Tired_> i guess whichever one you think sounds better
[12:27] <Tired_> lol
[12:27] <Maxdamantus> K-Ubuntu would be easier to distinguish from kubuntu during a conversation.
[12:28] <Tired_> well, usually if I bring up Linux at all during most conversations, the person I'm talking to tends to zone out.
[12:28] <flowingfire> I vote for Koo-bunt-ooh
[12:29] <flowingfire> Tired: Hey, I've experienced that too!  That must mean we're geeks!
[12:29] <Tired_> Probably  ;)
[12:29] <johnt> *accepts Koo-bun_too
[12:29] <Maxdamantus> There are a few at my school who care.
[12:30] <Tired_> most of my friends see computers as a tool rather than a lifestyle
[12:30] <dromer> flowingfire: no, we're just openminded ;)
[12:30] <flowingfire> dromer, lol
[12:30] <Maxdamantus> I see it as a tool.
[12:30] <dromer> Tired_: wel, they are tools ;) but your friends are too then :P
[12:30] <flowingfire> heh heh heh.. I can't wait for one of my friends to come over to check their email, and be like "Where the he$$ is Internet Explorer?"
[12:30] <dromer> -o
[12:30] <Tired_> i see them as both
[12:30] <Maxdamantus> Only one of my friends use Internet Explorer.
[12:31] <Tired_> lol, I have IE under Wine just for that reason  :p
[12:31] <flowingfire> lol.  I can't even get wine to work.
[12:31] <Maxdamantus> I'm gonna try after this apt-get
[12:31] <Maxdamantus> Used to use it for Flash 8 on Gentoo.
[12:31] <Maxdamantus> Only Windows program I use.
[12:31] <Tired_> i gotta say, apt is sure nicer now than it was in 2004
[12:32] <Maxdamantus> Portage > apt
[12:32] <Tired_> it actally works most of the time now
[12:32] <Tired_> portage is nice, too...i wish I could use it with kubuntu
[12:32] <Maxdamantus> Same.
[12:32] <flowingfire> yeah...
[12:32] <flowingfire> Maxdamantus, I'm surprised that Adobe doesn't do more for the linux community.
[12:33] <johnt> Apt has not failed me yet unless I do some thing wrong
[12:33] <Maxdamantus> When Linux is more common, they probably will.
[12:33] <Malph> flowingfire: they just released part of their flex framwork under the mozilla license
[12:33] <Maxdamantus> It is getting ever more popular over Microsoft.
[12:33] <Maxdamantus> And Mac.
[12:33] <flowingfire> Malph, really?
[12:33] <Tired_> it has to be worth enough money for them to bother.
[12:33] <Malph> really let me find a link for ya
[12:34] <flowingfire> I guess the letter I sent them telling them they were helping microsoft increase their market share was uncalled for then
[12:34] <flowingfire> Of course, I was pretty pissed that I couldn't get flash working under x64.
[12:35] <Tired_> i really think this year is going to see a lot more linux acceptance in the mainstream...i've had more people ask me about it this year than the last two years combined.
[12:35] <Malph> flowingfire: http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/pressreleases/200704/042607Flex.html
[12:35] <flowingfire> thanks malph.. I'll take a look
[12:35] <flowingfire> Tired: Why do u think that is?
[12:36] <Tired_> not sure.
[12:36] <Tired_> just seems to have reached the critical mass of visibility, maybe
[12:37] <flowingfire> perhaps.
[12:37] <Malph> well it sure isn't because some kids want to paint tux on the side of an f1 racer
[12:37] <Tired_> people I didn't think who knew what an OS was (like my mom) have asked me about linux, so it's gotta be something
[12:37] <Maxdamantus> My Mum doesn't understand what an OS does.
[12:38] <Tired_> they heard it's safer, more secure, or works with less hardware than windows, and they wanna know more
[12:38] <flowingfire> I think I've explained the concepts of phishing to my mom adequately... lol
[12:38] <johnt> fyi there is a horrible javascript that affects firefox with systemdoctor malware it can be prevented by using adblock and doing *adbrite.com/*
[12:39] <Malph> I think it's because vista reminds the American people too much of the way we are starting to be treated by the American gov't
[12:39] <Tired_> I beamed with pride when my Mom told me that there was this window popping up, asking her if she'd install Windows Genuine Advantage, and she wanted to know how to tell it to piss off forever.  :)
[12:39] <flowingfire> Malph: Woah... I didn't even think of that.  But that's so freaking true... Of course, the rest of the world applies?
[12:40] <flowingfire> Tired: She wanted to piss off WGA? LOL!
[12:40] <Maxdamantus> Hmm? I'm in the rest of the world.
[12:40] <Maxdamantus> I believe the rest of the world has realised what the US Government is like when George was elected.
[12:40] <flowingfire> Well, I'm in Minnesota, so who am I to talk?
[12:40] <flowingfire> lol
[12:40] <Maxdamantus> New Zealand here.
[12:41] <Malph> I apologize on behalf of my country for acting like a drunk jackass
[12:41] <flowingfire> I have written my senators, and congresspeople, and all sorts of things.
[12:41] <flowingfire> I met with my state legislator...
[12:41] <flowingfire> Did it help?
[12:41] <flowingfire> No.
[12:41] <levon> nice im good now not hard at all everything is transparent i have new icons music works nvidia works and a HUGE thank you to the channel
[12:41] <johnt> I am in New zealand too
[12:41] <Malph> flowingfire: I'm just glad you guys didn't elect jonothan sharky to governer
[12:41] <Tired_> gj levon  :)
[12:41] <Maxdamantus> :)
[12:41] <flowingfire> Hmmm....
[12:42] <flowingfire> The satanist?
[12:42] <Malph> yes him
[12:42] <flowingfire> hahhahaha
[12:42] <Malph> did you know he moved to new jersey and is running for president
[12:42] <levon> and im feeling your name Tired so im off to bed see everyone later and maybe ill be able to start helping :P
[12:42] <Malph> lol
[12:42] <flowingfire> Malph, you're freaking kidding me right?
[12:43] <Tired_> then we can fork it  ;)
[12:43] <Malph> theimpalerforpresident.gov
[12:43] <flowingfire> I'm seriosly ready to ask Europe and South America for intervention.
[12:43] <flowingfire> I'll write all their governments. lol
[12:44] <flowingfire> mine hasn't been listening to me for six years
[12:44] <Tired_> ... is there a way to show the day or the week in the clock in the panel?
[12:44] <flowingfire> Unknown host www.theimpalerforpresident.gov
[12:44] <Malph> lol no if we have intervention we do it the way we did when we were colonies. no offense meant to any british.  but if our fore father saw how we have let our gov't act they would have hung their heads in shame
[12:44] <Tired_> I always forget what day it is...
[12:45] <Tired_> (today's Friday, right?)
[12:45] <Maxdamantus> Yes.
[12:45] <flowingfire> I met with my state rep last week, and when I brought up gay rights he went totally ballistic-bigot.
[12:45] <Maxdamantus> -Tired_- TIME Fri Apr 27 03:44:36 2007
[12:45] <johnt> Maxdamantus: Where in NZ are you??
[12:45] <Maxdamantus> Wellington
[12:46] <johnt> I am in Hamilton
[12:46] <Malph> http://www.theimpalerforpresident2008.us/
[12:46] <Maxdamantus> Ok.
[12:46] <Tired_> if I could scrunch up the time and put a line between it and the numberic date with the day of the week, that'd be awesome...can it be done?
[12:46] <Malph> there is the right link flowingfire
[12:46] <flowingfire> k
[12:47] <Malph> that site is great for a good laugh
[12:47] <flowingfire> No kidding.. And the design is so 1994
[12:47] <Maxdamantus> Finally, downloaded GNOME.
[12:47] <Malph> if you want to really really laugh hard o to his about page
[12:47] <Maxdamantus> NZ server is probably slower than downloading from somewhere in US.
[12:47] <Maxdamantus> Fetched 174MB in 1h12m39s (39.9kB/s)
[12:47] <flowingfire> hmm...
[12:48] <Malph> it's all in the first image and the background music
[12:48] <Tired_> sweet!  digital clock has that, just the way I was thinking!
[12:49] <Tired_> lol, I love Kubuntu...not much else gewts me that excited about making it display a word.
[12:49] <flowingfire> heh... We certainly don't want people acting like KGB agents Malph... gawd!
[12:49] <mlv> espanish chat?
[12:49] <flowingfire> I'm going to move to jersey and vote for the guy... j/k
[12:50] <Malph> oh and someplace on his sight he reffers to God as his "*mortal* enemy"
[12:50] <flowingfire> I love how he calls muslims bitches
[12:50] <flowingfire> that's so racist
[12:50] <Tired_> so, is there a media player in the repos with a decent 10 foot interface?
[12:50] <Malph> omg I couldn't stop laughing after I read that
[12:50] <johnt> mlv: I think there are some espanol channels do a search
[12:51] <Tired_> ...other than mythtv-frontend, of course
[12:51] <Malph> it is honestly like walking in on a donkey show youdon't want to watch but through all the repulsion you just can't look away
[12:51] <Tired_> i think getting my remote working will be the task of the day
[12:53] <flowingfire> hahaha.... He founded the "Vampires, Witches, and Pagans" party
[12:53] <Malph> I think he is the only memeber too
[12:53] <Malph> member
[12:54] <flowingfire> Heck, I'll join... but I'll probably be rejected, because I'm getting my Master in Divinity
[12:55] <Malph> have you gotten to the part where he starts talking about his own vampire militia he is going to call his death dealers?
[12:55] <flowingfire> just a sec... lemmie go back
[12:55] <hairy918> yo, all
[12:55] <hairy918> anybody have preferences for authentication servers?
[12:56] <Maxdamantus> oidentd is the best I believe.
[12:56] <hairy918> I've been using nis, but I'm rebuilding the server, what's better? For linux and 'doze...
[12:56] <hairy918> oidentd? Lemme look
[12:57] <cinex> hi
[12:58] <flowingfire> Wow... Y' know?  All you have to do is something crazy like this to get press attention, and then a speaking tour... and then lots of $$$ for it.
[12:58] <flowingfire> well... it's been a blast.... I think I also need to succumb to the username of one sleepy user.
[12:58] <Tired_> ya know wat?  it's 4 o'clock in the morning.  why am I messing with kubuntu porefs and not sleeping?
[12:58] <Malph> I think he is only running for ofice because you can pay yourself out of your campaign money
[12:58] <Malph> because if you got sleep you wouldn't be Tired_
[12:59] <Tired_> lol, yes I would  ;)
[12:59] <flowingfire> lol.. gnite everybody!  gnite malph!  gnite tired, gnite max, and johnt and dromer
[12:59] <dromer> later flowingfire :)
[12:59] <Tired_> but I think I'm going to rip myself away, put on some Transformers, and see if I can sleep till the sun comes up at least
[12:59] <Malph> gnight Tired_  gnight flowingfire
[01:00] <dromer> hmmm, I got an error during upgrade (edgy->feisty) Could not install '/var/cache/apt/archives/samba_3.0.24-2ubuntu1_i386.deb' subprocess new post-removal script returned error exit status 134
[01:00] <Malph> 6 am I'm going to clock out head home and get my wife ready for work. I'll be back in about 30
[01:01] <dromer> The upgrade has aborted
[01:01] <nilz> err um does anyone know how to enable pop-up windows in konqueror?
[01:03] <dromer> !bug
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[01:13] <lettuce_> I have 3 partitions on my computer. One is kubuntu, one is windows, and the other is just blank and I use it for storage of important files so I can format partitions without having to back shit up. I want to know what format I should use for the 3rd partition so that I can view, change, edit, and w/e with the partition from both windows and Kubuntu without having to install a special package for kubuntu
[01:14] <Maxdamantus> FAT32
[01:16] <jussi01> No, I would say ext 3
[01:16] <lettuce_> ok
[01:16] <Maxdamantus> Windows can't read ext3
[01:16] <lettuce_> do you for sure that kubunut can read fat32?
[01:16] <lettuce_> *kubuntu
[01:17] <Maxdamantus> Yes, I have a FAT32 partition right now.
[01:17] <jussi01> then use http://www.fs-driver.org/ for reading from windows
[01:17] <Maxdamantus> Linux works fine with FAT32
[01:17] <jussi01> Ext3 is IMHO the best way
[01:17] <jussi01> fat32 cannot take bigger than 4gb files...
[01:17] <lettuce_> I already tried that ntfs stuff, and I'd rather just be able to use the partition with as many OSs as possible
[01:18] <lettuce_> oh
[01:18] <Maxdamantus> FAT32 is readable by all OSs.
[01:18] <Maxdamantus> Pretty much.
[01:18] <Maxdamantus> All official OS.
[01:18] <Maxdamantus> It's a standard format.
[01:18] <lettuce_> well My partition is 300GB, SO i guess that won't work
[01:18] <Maxdamantus> If you want to use it on Windows 95, you'd need a FAT16 though, as far as I know.
[01:18] <dromer> hmz, so my upgrade failed horribly :S
[01:18] <jussi01> lettuce_: fat32 can be bigger than 4gb, but you cant have 1 file bigger than 4gb
[01:18] <Maxdamantus> lettuce_, what he means is, it can't store files over 4gb
[01:18] <_dennis_> hello nerds
[01:19] <dromer> hallo _dennis_
[01:19] <lettuce_> well I got tons of files over 4gb :(
[01:19] <jussi01> !attitude | _dennis_
[01:19] <ubotu> _dennis_: The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[01:19] <lettuce_> so would ext3 work?
[01:19] <jussi01> _dennis_: we arent all nerds :P
[01:19] <jussi01> lettuce_: yes, with the windows driver
[01:19] <lettuce_> ya, some of us are geeks
[01:20] <lettuce_> dammit, it there any format that won't need a driver!?
[01:20] <lettuce_> other than fat32
[01:20] <dromer> can someone help me with my distupgrade? I just filed a bugreport on the issue, the upgrade got stuck at 54%  what should I do best now?
[01:20] <gemidjy> what would you ask stallman if you had opportunity to talk to ?
[01:20] <dromer> lettuce_: all formats need drivers you silly :P
[01:21] <dromer> gemidjy: why do you want linux to be called GNU/linux? :P
[01:22] <jussi01> lettuce_: use ext3 - the driver for windows is all gui, my 10 year old brother can do it...
[01:22] <lettuce_> ok, well then I'll just have to get those ntfs drivers
[01:22] <lettuce_> ooohhh wait i though you meant the drivers would be for linux
[01:22] <Maxdamantus> lettuce_, don't use ntfs on Linux.
[01:22] <dromer> still all very much beta ;)
[01:22] <lettuce_> i didn't want to use ntfs for linux
[01:22] <jussi01> lettuce_: ext3 all the way
[01:22] <lettuce_> ya exactly
[01:23] <_dennis_> sry guys someone else went on my pc :
[01:23] <lettuce_> ok then, I have some formatting to do. See ya
[01:23] <jussi01> lettuce_: let us know how you go :D
[01:24] <gemidjy> dromer: he already had answered me that
[01:24] <gemidjy> I am working on a survey for IT pro's so I need your help
[01:24] <gemidjy> and suggestions
[01:24] <pieman> Can anyone tell me how to make a system beep from the command line?
[01:24] <Maxdamantus> Actually, I have had files over 4gb on FAT32.. Lemme find a screenshot.
[01:25] <dromer> gemidjy: haha ok, what kind of survey, and in what way could I help?
[01:26] <gemidjy> dromer: well, suggestions for questions you want to know answers to from famous it pros
[01:26] <dromer> gemidjy: kay, sorry, I don't have any serious questions atm, maybe later ;)
[01:26] <gemidjy> ok
[01:27] <dromer> so, anyone on my upgrade issue? :(
[01:27] <jussi01> Maxdamantus: The maximum possible size for a file on a FAT32 volume is 4 GiB minus 1 Byte (2321 bytes)
[01:28] <dromer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/110516
[01:28] <Maxdamantus> http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b214/Maxdamantus/StuffedFS.png?t=1165567422
[01:29] <Maxdamantus> Glitch that happened on my PSP a while back.
[01:29] <Calilasseia> OK ... 'I've just tried installing Feisty ... and it hangs ....
[01:30] <jussi01> Maxdamantus: that doesnt tell anything, since its a folder which could have any number of files in it...
[01:30] <thau> hello, could anyone tell my why my master volume doesnt affect volume at all? :P
[01:30] <Maxdamantus> I thought it had a 4gb file in it.
[01:30] <Maxdamantus> Weird anyway, since the drive is 2gb.
[01:31] <Calilasseia> How do I persuade this instalation CD to work?
[01:31] <Maxdamantus> And has about 360gb of files on it.
[01:31] <jussi01> Maxdamantus: yeah, looks weird...
[01:31] <thau> i turn volume down to 0% and its still playing music O_O
[01:32] <jussi01> thau: you need to right click on your volume control, select master channel, then select pcm
[01:32] <hsystem-x> thau: open the mixer and turn PCM down.
[01:33] <thau> ah cheers :D
[01:34] <Calilasseia> So can anyone tell me how to persuade this installation CD to work?
[01:34] <thau> it was set to pc speaker :P
[01:35] <Calilasseia> I checked the built in help and it said something about booting in expert mode, but didn't give any command line parameters for doing so ....
[01:35] <Maxdamantus> Calilasseia, what does it hang on?
[01:35] <Calilasseia> That's just it, I don't KNOW what it hangs on because the screen just goes jet black ....
[01:36] <Calilasseia> The little blue bar moves from side to side for a while, then DUH, hang ....
[01:36] <Calilasseia> I don't get any text messages telling me what's happening ....
[01:36] <Maxdamantus> Oh, you can't actually get into it.
[01:36] <Calilasseia> Nope :(
[01:36] <Maxdamantus> Not sure if Kubuntu has verbose mode. Havn't tried yet.
[01:36] <Maxdamantus> But it's usually F2 at boot.
[01:37] <Maxdamantus> And it tells you everything that's happening.
[01:37] <thau> amarok also uses gstreamer for decoding? everytime i start playing a mp3 it asks if i want to install mp3 support, i click yes and it freezes :P so i guess ill do it manually
[01:37] <Calilasseia> the built in help also said something about parameters for special machines - for example "noapic" and "nolapic" but I can't figure out a way to tell the text mode boot loader to accept these parameters ....
[01:38] <Maxdamantus> You need to boot the kernel like that from GRUB.
[01:38] <Maxdamantus> The LiveCD probably has command line in GRUB, didn't check though.
[01:39] <hsystem-x> thau: install automatix2 and then in automatix select AUD:-DVD and MUltimedia Codecs, and select start.
[01:39] <hsystem-x> That should install the necessary codecs
[01:39] <Maxdamantus> Or try selecting the normal option, and pressing "e", should take you to edit mode if it's configured like that.
[01:39] <Calilasseia> Well this installation CD is supposed to have a live boot facility, but if I live boot, I don't get the ability to specifiy booting parameters ....
[01:39] <thau> hsystem-x: thanks :)
[01:39] <jussi01> !automatix | hsystem-x thau
[01:39] <ubotu> hsystem-x thau: Automatix2 is a proprietary script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[01:39] <dromer> arg, ok, so I wanted to try the upgrade again (it hanged at 54% with some error, made a bugreport already) but now apperantly adpet is still running somewhere, can someone tell me how I can close it?
[01:39] <Maxdamantus> Then add args to the end of it.
[01:40] <thau> eh that sounded bad :P
[01:40] <jussi01> thau: dont use automatix
[01:40] <Maxdamantus> dromer, "killall -9 apt-get"?
[01:40] <jussi01> !restricted | thau
[01:40] <ubotu> thau: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:40] <Maxdamantus> Or whatever the process name is.
[01:41] <thau> okay thanks :)
[01:41] <jussi01> thau: np's
[01:41] <Calilasseia> I am beginning to wonder why I'm persevering with this ... hoary died with an X system failure and trashed the ability of Windows to boot into the bargain, breezy needed me to tinker with reconfiguring xorg manually, Dapper has just died with an inability to log in, and now Feisty won't even install ...
[01:42] <Maxdamantus> :S
[01:42] <Maxdamantus> Yea, the installation didn't seem so user friendly.
[01:42] <jussi01> Calilasseia: Thats sad, I have had no problems since installing dapper, edgy and feisty...
[01:42] <Calilasseia> Oh it looks pretty ... then it just goes black and hangs ...
[01:42] <Maxdamantus> I deleted all my valuable PHP scripts, and other non-retrievable files because it wouldn't detect my hdd correctly.
[01:43] <Maxdamantus> So backed up everything (so I thought), and wiped it.
[01:44] <dromer> Maxdamantus: it's adept, not apt-get
[01:44] <Maxdamantus> Well kill the process.
[01:44] <dromer> I don't know the name
[01:44] <dromer> and can't find it in top
[01:44] <Calilasseia> What makes this all SO ludicrous is that I've just been able to check (very briefly) the partition information ... Dapper died saying X server couldn't write to /tmp, and furthermore told me there was no space on the root, but the partition info says there's 15 gigs in that partition and 1% is actually used ....
[01:44] <Maxdamantus> Ctrl + Escape
[01:45] <Maxdamantus> Default shortcut to process list.
[01:45] <dromer> not here
[01:45] <DarkED> how can i use my TV as a secondary monitor in KDE?
[01:46] <dromer> Ctrl + Escape opens the kmenu for me Maxdamantus
[01:46] <thau> i just grabbed the ubuntu restricted extras, seemed to include most stuff
[01:46] <Maxdamantus> Oh.
[01:46] <boyee> SDL.h: No such file or directory
[01:46] <Calilasseia> So how the hell can there be no space on the root of only 1% of 15 gigs is actually used?
[01:46] <boyee> What package should I install?
[01:46] <boyee> help
[01:47] <dromer> boyee: what is the problem?
[01:48] <Maxdamantus> Needs SDL.
[01:48] <dromer> damnit, I can't find the name of the proces anywhere :S
[01:48] <boyee> SDL.h: No such file or directory
[01:49] <dromer> I just want to finish my upgrade :(
[01:49] <Maxdamantus> sudo apt-get install sdl
[01:49] <Magian> dromer: what's up?
[01:49] <Maxdamantus> I'd presume.
[01:49] <Maxdamantus> Nvm.
[01:49] <boyee> No,no package named sdl.
[01:49] <Maxdamantus> Just download it from the site.
[01:49] <Malph> yes my script is finally done
[01:49] <dromer> Magian: I did the upgrade with Adept, and I go an error: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/110516
[01:49] <jussi01> boyee: apt-cache search SDL
[01:49] <Maxdamantus> http://www.libsdl.org/
[01:50] <dromer> Magian: then it just hanged at 54%, I stopped the upgrade, and now I can't do it again ..
[01:50] <dromer> Magian: .. or continue
[01:50] <Magian> dromer: shit...never heard of that
[01:51] <dromer> :(
[01:52] <dromer> an now I don't know what to do
[01:52] <Magian> dromer: suggest you download feisty cd and just start from scratch...
[01:52] <archer> zzz
[01:52] <dromer> nooooooooooooooooo
[01:52] <archer> question
[01:52] <dromer> Magian: that is totally unacceptable, I will lose SO much data :(
[01:52] <Magian> Do you have so much that you can't?
[01:52] <dromer> yes
[01:52] <Magian> dromer: what will you lose?
[01:52] <Calilasseia> I downloaded the Feisty CD earlier today and tried to install ... it just died ...
[01:52] <vladakk> has anybody installed knoda0.8.2 on feisty ?
[01:53] <dromer> I have lots of self-compiled programs that I really can't scrape all back together from other places
[01:53] <Calilasseia> Sorry Maglan that idea is a non starter as far as I'm concerned ...
[01:53] <dromer> Magian: however my /home is on another partition so I will still have most of my settings, but this would totally suck :(
[01:53] <Calilasseia> And as far as I can gather there's NO information ANYWHERE telling me how to get the damn thing to install ....
[01:53] <archer> anyone:  i think xgl may have put fglrx on restricted modules, how do i undo that?
[01:54] <Calilasseia> So I've wasted 40 minutes downloading, and 20 minutes burning, and another 30 minutes trying to install  and wading through a help system that's incomplete and therefore no bloody help at all ....
[01:54] <Magian> Calilasseia: Sorry, but why do you say that?
[01:55] <Calilasseia> Because as I said earlier, I tried installing from scratch and it just hangs ... scren goes jet black, NO messages at all telling me where it's stalled or why ....
[01:55] <Calilasseia> And I can't get the text mode boot loader to accept ANY of the parameters listed in the help system no matter what I type in ,....
[01:55] <Magian> Calilasseia: I was speaking to dromer, not you
[01:56] <Calilasseia> Eh?
[01:56] <dromer> Magian: because, I can't lose all this data :(
[01:56] <dromer> Calilasseia: wrong hilite I guess
[01:57] <archer> Where is the directory for restricted modules?
[01:57] <dromer> Magian: ok, now shower, bbl
[01:57] <thau> installed ubuntu-restricted-extras, got gstreamer mp3 stuff and all, amarok still refuses to cooperate :/ hmm
[01:58] <Maxdamantus> Wow! My portable HDD actually powered up from the front USB ports.
[01:58] <eljefe> archer: its a repository in /etc/apt/sources.list or you can edit/enable/disable in Adept
[01:58] <archer> eljefe: thank you
[01:58] <eljefe> thau: Amarok didn't ask if you want it to install mp3 suppoort?
[01:58] <eljefe> :)
[01:59] <thau> eljefe: yes it did, and i clicked yes and it crashed :P
[01:59] <thau> everytime
[01:59] <Calilasseia> So how do I get the tetxt mode boot loader to accept the parameters listed in the help system? Only when I try typing in those parameters I get the same message over and over again - "cannot find kernel"
[01:59] <egarim> anyone could explain me the meaning of "okie dookie" ?
[01:59] <Calilasseia> The ONLY thing the text mode boot loader seems to accept is hitting return and going through the default install ....
[01:59] <hsystem-x> means : ok
[01:59] <egarim> hsystem-x: thx
[02:00] <thau> eljefe: you dont happen to know a soloution?
[02:00] <Calilasseia> And of course the default install dies a painful death ....
[02:00] <eljefe> you've installed all mp3 items that look useful in Adept?
[02:00] <thau> yep :/
[02:00] <thau> maybe i should look again
[02:01] <hsystem-x> thau, im talking to you in a private window, do you have private msg blocked?
[02:01] <eljefe> try these gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly libxine-extracodecs
[02:01] <thau> hsystem-x: nah i cant answer cause im not registered heh
[02:01] <Magian> dromer: try this - sudo apt-get -f install
[02:01] <hsystem-x> try that, especiallylibxine-extracodecs , thas for amarok.
[02:01] <hsystem-x> that's*
[02:01] <vladakk> knoda0.8.2 depends on libhk-kdeclasses7 but on feisty libhk-kdeclasses8 is installed
[02:02] <vladakk> is this wrong packaging ?
[02:02] <jussi01> thau: there are a huge list on that restricted page - it says edgy but works in feisty, just copy paste that huge command..
[02:02] <jussi01> vladakk: maybe...
[02:02] <thau> oh ok thanks folks ^^
[02:02] <eljefe> thau that was from the first link on the google result for 'amarok mp3' did you try google at all?
[02:03] <Jucato> (Kubuntu only needs libxine-extracodecs (or libxine1-ffmpeg in Feisty) and w32codecs. no need for gstreamer)
[02:03] <jussi01> vladakk: have you searched for a bug?
[02:03] <vladakk> it installs with no errors with apt-get
[02:03] <archer> eljefe: isnt the /etc/apt/sources.list a list of the repositories, not modules?
[02:03] <vladakk> we didnt find no bug
[02:04] <jussi01> vladakk: did you download the source? or where did you get that error?
[02:04] <DarkED> kubuntu won't mount my external HDD... it mounted it fine in 6.10, but it won't in 7.04
[02:04] <eljefe> yes  sorry i misunderstood you i guess.  restricted-codecs are in the universe i think, so you'd have to enable that.  or ad in the medibuntu repositories
[02:04] <vladakk> binary installation didnt get any errors, altought dependency is not satisfied
[02:05] <jussi01> vladakk: file a bug
[02:06] <vladakk> jussi01: bug for apt-get or for knoda ? or both ...
[02:07] <dromer> Magian: I can't do that, some proces is still using dpkg, but I don't know the name so I can't close it :S
[02:07] <dromer> ah .. hmm I could resume dpkg .. and I believe it's now running the upgrade again ..
[02:08] <Magian> dromer: see if adept is still running
[02:08] <dromer> $ sudo killall dpkg  $ sudo apt-get -f install
[02:08] <Magian> dromer: goo...hope it works
[02:08] <dromer> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[02:08] <dromer> and now it's running again ..
[02:08] <DarkED> woah i have a major problem
[02:08] <boyee> Hi,all.
[02:08] <dromer> Magian: yeah, hopefully the upgrade will continue now!
[02:08] <DarkED> i set up dual display with my TV
[02:09] <DarkED> now, my main monitor is in 640x480 res
[02:09] <DarkED> i can barely read text
[02:09] <dromer> DarkED: pastebin your xorg.conf
[02:09] <boyee> I have install the scim,But the skype I cann't use for ever because a memory error!!!
[02:09] <DarkED> i tried getting into system settings but it crashes when i go into display
[02:09] <DarkED> dromer: ok
[02:10] <dromer> DarkED: then someone can see what the current settings are and what might resolve it :)
[02:11] <thau> sweet it worked with libxine1-ffmpeg, thanks guys
[02:12] <archer> can anyone tell me where the linux-restricted-modules are
[02:12] <BluesKaj> Howdy All :)
[02:12] <lettuce_> How do I format a partition from kubuntu?
[02:12] <hsystem-x> universe :)?
[02:12] <jussi01> vladakk: knoda
[02:13] <eljefe> archer have you looked in Adept for the word 'restricted' ?
[02:13] <vladakk> tnx all
[02:13] <hsystem-x> ubuntu irc channel 1160 kubuntu 387 ...
[02:14] <BluesKaj> archer:  if you have universe multiverse debs enabled in your sources list , then adept synaptic or even the cmnd like will make the restricted modules available.
[02:14] <BluesKaj> command line
[02:14] <Maxdamantus> How does one install Flash for use with Firefox?
[02:15] <archer> BluesKaj:  I tried installing XGL and Beryl onto Kubuntu, and while doing that it put the fglrx drivers on the restricted modules
[02:15] <eljefe> Maxdamantus: try visiting youtube and it might ask to install it automatically; otherwise enable repositories in Adept and search there
[02:15] <archer> so im lookin through the adept now
[02:16] <BluesKaj> Maxdamantus: best thing is to go to youtube and do auto install plugin thing there
[02:16] <archer> Why the hell did I buy a Gateway damnit
[02:16] <Maxdamantus> I think installing gnome kind of messed up how apt-get reacts to installs actually.
[02:16] <DarkED> ok, i tried to pastebin it
[02:16] <DarkED> i get a php error =/
[02:16] <Maxdamantus> Seems to try installing everything for GNOME.
[02:16] <Jucato> Maxdamantus: flashplugin-nonfree package. you can install it from Adept
[02:17] <Maxdamantus> Just gives errors.
[02:17] <Maxdamantus> About GNOME related things.
[02:17] <BluesKaj> archer the fglrx proprietary driver is restricted when the open source driver for beryl is installed
[02:18] <Maxdamantus> Is there some place where it records what to install as?
[02:18] <BluesKaj> archer: dunno why, but for some reason ATI has seen fit to set it up so.
[02:19] <archer> Blueskaj and eljefe: I got it, thank you,  XGL and Beryl is a mistake for me haha
[02:20] <Trubadurix> hiho when i start my kubuntu 7.04 up it says: *Starting Avahi mDNS/DNS-SD Daemon: avahi-daemon   Timeout reached while wating for return value    Could not receive return value from daemon process [fail]     | and then this come: *Starting Common Unix Printing System: cupsd       | and then nothing more happen it just stand there and only thing i can do is reboot. what can the problem be?
[02:21] <BluesKaj> archer: if you want direct rendering to run apps like google earth , check this site out: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-02330ccb580b6a9411d32bf617cc5a82116ba6b9
[02:22] <archer> Blueskaj: very nice, i just wanted to test xgl out tho hehe it looks funky
[02:22] <Magian> dromer: how is it going?
[02:22] <allee> anyone else with a MacBookPro + Kubuntu?  My fans are running full speed with almost zero workload :(
[02:22] <archer> the fglrx drivers work, i just want to get them back lol
[02:23] <dromer> Magian: still running
[02:23] <archer> Blueskaj: and that wont work, im running ATI 200M hehe
[02:23] <Trubadurix> any can help me?
[02:23] <archer> oh wait
[02:24] <archer> oops
[02:24] <allee> Trubadurix: never ask is you can ask.  tell us what you're looking for
[02:24] <Trubadurix> i told longer up
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[02:25] <eljefe> Trubadurix: whats up?
[02:25] <Trubadurix> hiho when i start my ubuntu 7.04 up it says: *Starting Avahi mDNS/DNS-SD Daemon: avahi-daemon   Timeout reached while wating for return value    Could not receive return value from daemon process [fail]     | and then this come: *Starting Common Unix Printing System: cupsd       | and then nothing more happen it just stand there and only thing i can do is reboot. what can the problem be?
[02:26] <archer> That's why I use 6.06 Dapper Drake (hehe)
[02:26] <Trubadurix> maby i should use 6.10 there was no problem there
[02:28] <eljefe> Trubadurix: no idea, sounds like either you have some general issues with services, or just so happens that CUPS and Avahi both want to fail at the same time...
[02:28] <eljefe> sorry i don't kn ow
[02:28] <archer> I'm not sure either, can you disable that on startup?
[02:28] <archer> (doh)
[02:29] <eljefe> does anyone know of a package that allows a single computer to have multiple keybd/mice/videocards installed for multiuser?  i've seen it but cannot think of its name...
[02:29] <Alarm> is there any website with the "whats new in kubuntu 7.04? )
[02:29] <Trubadurix> cups dont fail it just stan still and nothing happens
[02:30] <boyee> I have install the scim,But the skype I cann't use for ever because a memory error!!!
[02:30] <allee> Trubadurix: is this an edgy->feisty update or a fresh install?
[02:30] <boyee> help,,,,
[02:31] <fssssssssssh> what is the command to see the "eth0 up ; eth1 blablalba" list thingy ?
[02:31] <Trubadurix> fresh downloaded kubuntu 7.04
[02:31] <archer> fsssssssssh: isnt it ifconfig eth0 up
[02:31] <jussi01> Trubadurix: sounds like you have a dodgy disk...
[02:31] <fssssssssssh> ifonfig, thanks :)
[02:31] <archer> =] 
[02:31] <eljefe> fssssssssssh: ifconfig will list them
[02:31] <Trubadurix> dodgy = ??
[02:32] <archer> dodgy = bad i assume
[02:32] <jussi01> yes...:D
[02:32] <eljefe> lol
[02:32] <allee> Trubadurix: are you connected to internet when this happens
[02:32] <Trubadurix> i had try normal ubuntu 7.04 too it have same problems
[02:33] <Trubadurix> ehm i have wireless there had some problems too but i have fix some i think
[02:33] <DarkED> how do i make my monitor run at 85hz like it was before i borked everything?
[02:33] <allee> Trubadurix: no wonder, avahi and cups are not dependent on the Desktop environment
[02:33] <DarkED> KDE only wants to let me run it at 55hz
[02:34] <Trubadurix> but i can come in in single mode or something can i disable cupsd then?
[02:34] <Trubadurix> if*
[02:35] <allee> Trubadurix: best way to track is down IMHO.  Disable the start of avahi and cups.   Then when booted.  Try to start them by hand and check the logs
[02:35] <allee> Trubadurix: fwiw:  is  interface lo   configured?   run: ifconfig lo
[02:36] <allee> Trubadurix: you see the 127.0.0.1 IP address of lo
[02:36] <DarkED> hmm, this is odd
[02:36] <Trubadurix> ? i use wlan0
[02:36] <Maxdamantus> Uhh.. My system kind of turned into Ubuntu, with KDE.
[02:36] <DarkED> KDE's system settings dialog says i'm running at 1280x1024@55hz
[02:36] <Trubadurix> what is IMHO ?
[02:36] <allee> Trubadurix: run: kdict IMHO
[02:36] <DarkED> my monitor tells me it's 1280x1024@75hz
[02:36] <Trubadurix> ok
[02:37] <Maxdamantus> How do I change apt-get to use the kde flags instead of gnome?
[02:37] <allee> Trubadurix: lo is the loopback device.  you need it
[02:37] <Trubadurix> ok i try go look
[02:37] <allee> Maxdamantus: what do you mean with 'flags' ?
[02:38] <Maxdamantus> Whatever you call them with apt-get.. I'm used to portage. :S
[02:38] <Magian>  /msg nickserv set unfiltered on
[02:38] <Maxdamantus> I installed gnome, so I could use it if I wanted,
[02:38] <Maxdamantus> And now it's installing everything for gnome instead of kde.
[02:38] <Trubadurix> cya later
[02:39] <allee> Maxdamantus: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop kdm
[02:39] <archer> DarkED: What Allee said
[02:39] <DarkED> allee: say again please?
[02:40] <pjotrik> hello
[02:40] <allee> Maxdamantus: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop kdm
[02:40] <Maxdamantus> Yea, doing it now.
[02:40] <Maxdamantus> It's installing gnome stuff!
[02:40] <pjotrik> does somebody know how to install nvidia drivers on feisty fawn?
[02:40] <Maxdamantus> Setting up gdm-themes (0.5) ...
[02:40] <Maxdamantus> Setting up gnome-core (2.14.3.3ubuntu1) ...
[02:40] <Maxdamantus> Setting up nautilus-cd-burner (2.18.1-0ubuntu1) ...
[02:40] <Maxdamantus> And gde, gnome-office, gtk2-engines, blah blah blah.
[02:40] <DarkED> archer: could you please repeat what he said?
[02:41] <allee> Maxdamantus: then you system has not finished configuration.  Apt-get tries to fix it
[02:41] <Maxdamantus> Setting up gnome (2.14.3.3ubuntu1) ...
[02:41] <Maxdamantus> Then it finished.
[02:41] <allee> Maxdamantus: No kde pkgs installed?
[02:41] <Maxdamantus> Not with that.
[02:42] <allee> Maxdamantus: Maybe you have them already installed
[02:42] <Maxdamantus> apt-get is treating it as if I use gnome.
[02:42] <allee> Maxdamantus: apt-get does not care if it's gnome or kde.  It only knows pkgs
[02:42] <archer> oh darked
[02:42] <archer> mistold
[02:43] <archer> meant for maxdamantus
[02:43] <allee> Maxdamantus: dpkg -l   konsole kontact    # <- are they alredy installed
[02:43] <DarkED> oh
[02:43] <Maxdamantus> No, when I install something with apt-get now, it doesn't mention anything kde related.
[02:43] <archer> i just woke up =p so tired
[02:43] <Maxdamantus> Always installing it for gnome base.
[02:43] <allee> Maxdamantus: Eh, gnome and kde pkgs are in the same archive.  Strange
[02:43] <archer> are you in gnome now?
[02:43] <Maxdamantus> Yea, I know.
[02:44] <Maxdamantus> But apt-get is only installing the gnome pkgs.
[02:44] <allee> Maxdamantus: apt-cache policy konsole
[02:44] <allee> Maxdamantus: does it find the konsole version?
[02:44] <Maxdamantus>   Installed: 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu20
[02:44] <Maxdamantus>   Candidate: 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu20
[02:44] <Maxdamantus> :S
[02:44] <ejupin> How do I delete gnome files, I want to switch to kde and just installed kde with apt-get
[02:44] <allee> Maxdamantus: you have console already installed ;)
[02:44] <DarkED> jesus man, why is this stupid thing doing this
[02:45] <allee> Maxdamantus: sudo aptitude purge gnome-desktop  # I assume
[02:45] <Maxdamantus> .. I have everything installed, but when I installed gnome, it set it to install all pkgs from there on as gnome.
[02:46] <allee> Maxdamantus: when you get the login prompt, you should be able to choose between kde and gnome sessions
[02:46] <Maxdamantus> I know.. That's not the problem.
[02:46] <Maxdamantus> I'll pastebin an example of what I mean.
[02:46] <tart> hello
[02:47] <jussi01> !hi | tart
[02:47] <ubotu> tart: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[02:47] <tart> i just install kubuntu 7 ...
[02:47] <tart> i am new to this ..
[02:47] <tart> and i have some problems ...
[02:47] <allee> Anyone a MacBook Pro, whichout fans running all the time (with feisty)?
[02:47] <ejupin> how do i switch to kde from gnome, or rather how do i delete gnome files?
[02:47] <archer> so uh
[02:47] <tart> i try to mount some ntfs partitions ...
[02:47] <archer> yay for vista?
[02:48] <tart> and i cannot edit fstab file ...
[02:48] <allee> ejupin: see answer to Maxdamantus in the last five mines ;)
[02:48] <allee> minutes that is
[02:48] <ejupin> allee: thanks i didnt know if that was the same that i am trying to do, seems he just wants to "dual boot" between both. :)
[02:49] <allee> ejupin: oh, then this was for you: [14:45]  <allee> Maxdamantus: sudo aptitude purge gnome-desktop  # I assume
[02:49] <Trubadurix> hmm i couldnt come in :P you know i have tryed many times to reinstall but every time the first boot i can come in and then if i restart the bugs comes :?
[02:50] <ejupin> allee: the word "purge" isnt accepted in apt-get
[02:50] <Trubadurix> i think i will try kubuntu 6.06 insted i know it works on my pc
[02:50] <allee> ejupin: err, aptitude purge ...
[02:50] <archer> heheh
[02:50] <ejupin> ok
[02:50] <allee> Trubadurix: back to start:  you used the kubuntu desktop CDROM for installation?
[02:51] <ejupin> allee: thanks, working now.
[02:51] <Maxdamantus> allee, it doesn't actually seem to do anything with apt-get now.
[02:51] <Trubadurix> yes
[02:51] <jager> ?
[02:51] <allee> Trubadurix: an how comes you have gnome n disk?  Did you install it by hand?
[02:51] <tart> hello ... guys i try to mount some ntfs partitions ... and i cannot edit fstab file from etc ... says that i do not have enough permissions ...
[02:51] <Trubadurix> i dont have gnome
[02:52] <allee> tart: kdesu kate /etc/fstab
[02:52] <Maxdamantus> http://paste.stgraber.org/604
[02:52] <tart> can someone talk in privat :)
[02:52] <Maxdamantus> I guess if I apt-get kde, it will override whatever gnome did.
[02:52] <neuro__> hi guys
[02:53] <Trubadurix> i have seen on diverse forums many have problems with 7.04
[02:53] <allee> Maxdamantus: try:   dpkg --configure --pending -a
[02:53] <nuu> yeah, me for one ;)
[02:53] <nuu> i've got an issue with kubuntu 7.04 on my vaio laptop
[02:54] <Maxdamantus> Too late. Reinstalling KDE.
[02:54] <nuu> whenever i plug the AC power in, everything slows down
[02:54] <Maxdamantus> Annoying thing about apt-get is you can only run one process of it.
[02:54] <nuu> when i plug it out, it works as smooth as heaven
[02:54] <nuu> i plug the power back in...slowdown
[02:54] <tart> thx allee
[02:54] <nuu> i could go on ;)
[02:54] <Trubadurix> but 6.06 is supported for 3 years is it means it give updates + security update and so in 3 years?
[02:54] <nuu> sounds to me like something caused by the power manager daemon
[02:55] <nuu> but i wonder if anyone has any clues how to fix it ?
[02:55] <allee> Trubadurix: yes
[02:55] <Trubadurix> okey
[02:55] <nuu> also, i read on a forum that this is only an issue with KDE, not happening in gnome
[02:55] <allee> Trubadurix: but KDE (and gnome) in dapper is already boring compared to feisty ;)
[02:55] <DarkED> okay, i don't know what to do here. everything was going fine, and I tried to dualmon with my TV. I'm running 7.04. I used the system settings panel to dualmon. I logged out, restarted X, and my whole config was bored. My main monitor went to 640x480. So, I restored an older xorg.conf hoping it would fix it. Nope. now, it won't let my monitor run in 85hz. How do i get this crap back to the way it was?
[02:56] <Trubadurix> compared = ?
[02:56] <Maxdamantus> 'Night
[02:56] <allee> nuu: is there a forum thread about this already use it.  Debbing your problem  will not be easy and needs lot of data, better keep in forum not lost in irc
[02:57] <weswh-> does Kubuntu support widescreen resolutions? 1680x1050 specifically.
[02:57] <nuu> sadly that forum thread is only composed of one person reporting this issue, and nobody replying
[02:57] <Trubadurix> ahh
[02:57] <DarkED> here's my xorg.xonf: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17947/
[02:58] <nuu> sounds rather pointless to add a "me too!" bounce-like reply to that thread
[02:58] <nuu> thanks anyway
[02:58] <Trubadurix> but what kde is there on feisty? 3.5? 4?
[02:58] <Magian> 3.5.6
[02:58] <Jucato> Trubadurix: 3.5.6
[02:58] <Trubadurix> and on dapper?
[02:58] <dromer> Magian: ok, it's done now, what should I do?
[02:58] <Jucato> Trubadurix: 3.5.5 by default
[02:58] <Jucato> but you can upgrade to 3.5.6
[02:58] <Jucato> er sorry
[02:58] <Magian> dromer: reboot!
[02:59] <Jucato> that was for Edgy, Trubadurix
[02:59] <allee> nuu: add all info you can add there.  Then past URL here
[02:59] <Jucato> :/
[02:59] <dromer> Magian: ok, wish me luck :)
[02:59] <Magian> dromer: you'll be fine
[02:59] <allee> Trubadurix: dapper had 3.5.2 afair  kubuntu.org stopped with 3.5.5 pkgs
[02:59] <Trubadurix> but it is possiple to upgrade kde on dapper?
[03:00] <allee> Trubadurix: see archive on kubuntu.org
[03:00] <andy__> hello there, is it somehow possible to remove the gnome applications from the startmenu in kubuntu?
[03:00] <Trubadurix> ok
[03:00] <Jucato> Trubadurix: yes, but only up to KDE 3.5.5 (on Dapper)
[03:01] <allee> andy__: run kmenuedit  or remove the corresponding gnome pkg
[03:01] <andy__> allee: ok, thx
[03:01] <Jucato> Trubadurix: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-355.php
[03:02] <drkns> hello fellas
[03:02] <drkns> i need help again
[03:02] <drkns> last night some friends here helped me set up my second hardrive
[03:02] <Trubadurix> okey thanx all
[03:02] <drkns> however the owner seems to be set up as root
[03:03] <drkns> i want it to be set up as user so that i can actually use the space
[03:03] <drkns> can anybody help?
[03:03] <eljefe> drkns run 'kdesu konqueror' and then navigate to where its mounted, right click the drive, and change the permissions and owner
[03:04] <allee> drkns: or: sudo chown $USER:  /the/mountpoint/of/the/2nd/disk
[03:04] <dromer> Magian: nice new splash screen :P and the nvidia-logo looks very stylish too now ;)
[03:05] <dromer> Magian: hmm, beryl can't seem to load the window decorater ..
[03:05] <Magian> dromer: awesome...congrats
[03:05] <Magian> dromer: can't help with beryl...I am still stuck with ATI
[03:05] <dromer> ok
[03:06] <dromer> hmm, amarok now says: currently cannot play MP3 files, Install MP3 Support ..
[03:06] <sivaji> when my system boots it say ok for everything except  "loading hardware driver failed" is it harmful or something wrong
[03:06] <sivaji> !tty
[03:06] <ubotu> To get to the tty terminals 1-6, use the keystroke ctrl + alt + F1-F6 respectively (Alt+F7 will get you back to your graphical login).
[03:07] <dromer> wtf, Amarok can't install the support apperantly, and I can't play MP3 anymore :S
[03:07] <drkns> thank you very much fellas really helped
[03:07] <drkns> one more question
[03:08] <drkns> i have an embedded webcam on my laptop but i can use it
[03:08] <drkns> cant
[03:08] <drkns> actually i do not kow if it is detected or not
[03:09] <acemo> drkns: in kopete u can see if it works
[03:09] <hsystem-x> register
[03:10] <DarkED> ok, now when i try to get into monitor and display options, it says "The module 'Monitor and Display' could not be loaded"
[03:10] <DarkED> seriously, i have no idea what is going on with this system
[03:11] <drkns> it is not working
[03:11] <hsystem-x> I'm trying to configure Konversation to identify my self automatically, what should i put in the service field?
[03:11] <drkns> in kopete
[03:11] <allee> nuu: i mean what hardware, is it an update or fresh feisty install.  Is there noticable cpuload?  Anything suspect in /var/log/*.log added when pluggged in etc ...
[03:11] <nosrednaekim> !adeptfix
[03:11] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[03:12] <sivaji> There was an error loading the module KPDF.
[03:12] <sivaji> The diagnostics is:
[03:12] <sivaji> /usr/lib/kde3/libkpdfpart.so: undefined symbol: _ZN11PSOutputDevC1EPcP4XRefP7Catalogii9PSOutModeiiiiiiii
[03:12] <drkns> ok c u laters people thanks
[03:12] <chijin> this is modeiiiiii
[03:13] <allee> hsystem: see the tab of your irc server, there you find the commands to do it.  then add nick and pw to your identity
[03:13] <allee> hsystem-x: ^^ sorry, a link not the commands
[03:15] <hsystem-x> ok but, on my server list, i click edit, and then in the new window i clicked edit and there i have all my nicks, but there is a section where it says autoidentify, i have to field, service and password.
[03:15] <acemo> drkns: http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?id=16670 try this program
[03:15] <hsystem-x> what should i put in service?
[03:15] <hsystem-x> # identify?  msg nickserv ? nickserv? msg nickserv identify?
[03:16] <gdoubleu> so Adept tells me a new version of Kubuntu is available, but when I click next to upgrade it fails to fetch the release notes (it tries http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/main/dist-upgrader-all/current/ReleaseAnnouncement) and then gives me the options Retry or Exit
[03:16] <gdoubleu> any way to fix this?
[03:16] <hsystem-x> it has**
[03:16] <hsystem-x> **2 fields.
[03:16] <allee> hsystem-x: service is nickserv
[03:16] <hsystem-x> ok, thx
[03:17] <aldin> why there is no 'Nvu' package in repos?
[03:17] <allee> !feisty upgrade
[03:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about feisty upgrade - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:18] <Jucato> aldin: because nvu is unmaintained now. they're waiting for kompoze (the new nvu) I think
[03:18] <hsystem-x> thanks, it works.
[03:18] <allee> aldin: afair because it's dead upstream.  You can copy the install the old dapper version
[03:18] <eljefe> allee: nvu is dead!?!? no way!
[03:19] <allee> aldin, eljefe: err no.
[03:19] <BluesKaj> !upgrade
[03:19] <ubotu> See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[03:19] <hsystem-x> lol
[03:19] <allee> aldin: use nvu  not Nvu
[03:19] <DarkED> YES! i got it
[03:19] <aldin> i got bins from nvu.com site but i got used to apt-get it...
[03:19] <aldin> alee no nvu nor NVu
[03:19] <hsystem-x> NVU
[03:20] <aldin> nor Nvu
[03:20] <allee> eljefe: forget it.  I've nvu in my private repository.  When it's not in kubuntu archives, I assume I got it from nvu homepage
[03:21] <Jucato> allee: no nvu is really removed from feisty. I asked it once in -motu
[03:21] <aldin> it is quite nice program i wonder why isnt someone maintaining it
[03:22] <allee> aldin: manpower?
[03:23] <aldin> allee: sorry i dont get it, not native english..
[03:23] <allee> aldin: I assume that noone has the time / interest to do it.
[03:23] <Jucato> manpower = number of people working on it
[03:23] <aldin> perhaps they use dreamweaver hehe
[03:24] <aldin> over wine
[03:24] <allee> Jucato: did MOTU tell you why there no nvu?
[03:25] <Jucato> allee: they said because nvu was unmaintained and that they're just waiting for its successor (kompoze I think)
[03:26] <Jucato> (or something along those lines)
[03:26] <aldin> kompoze? is that new project
[03:26] <gdoubleu> The upgrade instructions seem pretty vague on the UpgradeNotes page
[03:26] <Jucato> I'm not really sure about the app name
[03:26] <hsystem-x> wine is not good at all. It is a memory leaker lol.
[03:27] <gdoubleu> step 2. In Adept -> Manage Repositories enable edgy-updates
[03:27] <gdoubleu> how does one do thisL
[03:27] <gdoubleu> ?
[03:28] <aldin> gdoubleu: like this: http://www.slibe.com/image/f9169bd4-adept/
[03:29] <aldin> gdoubleu: oops this is feisty i hope its the same on edgy i dont reember... u can always use /etc/apt/sources.list file to edit ur repos
[03:31] <gdoubleu> aldin: so in the sources.list I would just change all instances of edgy to feisty?
[03:32] <Jucato> gdoubleu: not if you're going to follow the instructions on the UpgradeNotes
[03:32] <aldin> u could, but u can google a bit more to bee 100% sure
[03:32] <Jucato> gdoubleu: just make sure that you have the lines that has "edgy-updates" enabled in the Manage Repositories list
[03:33] <gdoubleu> Jucato: I do.
[03:33] <Magian> dromer: so what do you think?
[03:33] <jjj> hello world!
[03:33] <Jucato> gdoubleu: then that completes step 2 :)
[03:35] <dromer> Magian: think of what?
[03:35] <Magian> dromer: Feisty
[03:35] <dromer> wel, amarok fixed it's MP3 palyability luckily ;)
[03:35] <dromer> but beryl is still broke :(
[03:35] <gdoubleu> Jucato: ok that makes sense now, but I'm not seeing any Version Upgrade button and the Full Upgrade option is grayed out
[03:36] <dromer> Magian: can't really say I see any big difference yet ..
[03:36] <aldin> gdoubleu: u san sudo apt-get upgrade
[03:36] <Jucato> gdoubleu: click on Fetch Updates first
[03:36] <aldin> or sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:36] <Jucato> aldin: that won't do him much good if he's following the UpgradeNotes proceedure
[03:36] <Jucato> procedure*
[03:37] <jjj> hello guys, i am an ubuntu user and I want to try KDE once I got a copy of it...I just want to ask if kaffeine or amarok will play mp3 and divx out-of-the-box?
[03:37] <Jucato> which automates the whole upgrade (like changing edgy to feisty)
[03:37] <Magian> dromer: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Ubuntu_Feisty_with_nVidia
[03:37] <Jucato> jjj: you just need to install "libxine-extracodecs" if you want to make KDE apps play mp3's and avi's
[03:37] <gdoubleu> Jucato: yes, I Fetch Updates and I'm fully up to date, so I get the Upgrade Wizard window and click Next, but it fails to download the release notes, and then I'm forced to Retry or Quit
[03:38] <Jucato> hm...
[03:38] <gdoubleu> it's trying to go to http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/main/dist-upgrader-all/current/ReleaseAnnouncement
[03:38] <dromer> Magian: you suggest I reinstall beryl?
[03:38] <jjj> I remember installing a gstreamer-ffmpeg plugin for ubuntu totem before I can play almost everything...If i install the libxine_extracodecs will I get the same assurance (or better) that it will play most of the vidoe formats? anyways thanks for the answer!!!
[03:39] <gdoubleu> but in all my sources.list entries it's using http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/...
[03:39] <Jucato> jjj: yes. and it's libxine-extracodecs, not libxine_extracodecs
[03:39] <jjj> oh yes yes...it was a typo hehe...thanks friend!!!
[03:39] <Magian> dromer: you may find clues to help. Also check the Ubuntu forums.
[03:40] <dromer> kay, thnx
[03:40] <jjj> and by the way does anyone here familiar with Scribus? I'm currently playing on it but on a Windows PC...
[03:42] <gdoubleu> aldin: should that be apt-get dist-upgrade?
[03:45] <gdoubleu> and to do that do I need to change all the instances of edgy in sources.list to feisty?
[03:45] <hsystem-x> yes.
[03:46] <aldin> gdoubleu: i told u to look arround if u are upgradeing edgy to feisty... usually i do it like that...
[03:51] <hsystem-x> error when trying to open k3b: k3b: error while loading shared libraries: libk3bdevice.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[03:51] <hsystem-x> any ideas, already tried reinstalling libk3b2
[03:52] <Skrot-> hsystem-x: Do you have /usr/lib/libk3bdevice.so.2?
[03:52] <Skrot-> And I'm assuming you're using edgy?
[03:53] <aleksanteri> Konsole's transparency doesn't work (it isn't transparent), what am i doing wrong?
[03:53] <hsystem-x> im in feisty
[03:53] <hsystem-x> and no, that file does not exist there.
[03:53] <Skrot-> That file isn't in feisty methinks
[03:54] <hsystem-x> and it is supposed to be there, i have the package installed.
[03:54] <Skrot-> hsystem-x: I'm on feisty, I've got k3b installed, and I don't have /usr/lib/libk3bdevice.so.2
[03:54] <hsystem-x> does it run ?
[03:54] <Skrot-> According to packages.ubuntu.com that file isn't even in feisty..
[03:54] <Skrot-> yes
[03:54] <Skrot-> Try reinstalling k3b itself
[03:54] <hsystem-x> ok
[03:55] <Skrot-> Or try "k3b -version"
[03:55] <Skrot-> Feisty has 1.0
[03:55] <Skrot-> Edgy has 0.12 I think
[03:56] <sivaji> my browser does not supports some web pages that contain applets
[03:56] <hsystem-x> well i can't get the version, it need the file lol
[03:56] <darx> sivaji: if these are java applets, you need to install java
[03:56] <hsystem-x> that is missing.
[03:57] <hsystem-x> im doing an upgrade to k3b, let see if that work...
[03:57] <sivaji> darx : can u tell me the name of that package
[03:57] <aleksanteri> Konsole's transparency doesn't work (it isn't transparent), what am i doing wrong?
[03:58] <darx> sivaji: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[03:59] <hsystem-x> yup that was the problem Skrot, thanks. i did an upgrade to k3b, that's all. i got 1.0 version now.
[04:01] <aleksanteri> brb
[04:08] <oem_> Could someone please help me, I just installed kubuntu
[04:09] <oem_>  I have the OEM user, but know, how do I create a new user that has root priviledges?
[04:09] <Maruko> hi everybody
[04:09] <oem_> I'm in the User Management, but there are many groups
[04:09] <Maruko> can anybody help me?
[04:09] <oem_> PLease help
[04:09] <jthomas> Maruko: don't ask, just ask
[04:09] <Maruko> ok
[04:10] <Maruko> I am using Feisty
[04:10] <colmic> ciao
[04:10] <Maruko> and I would like a couple of applications to start everytime I start a session
[04:10] <Maruko> how can I achieve that?
[04:10] <jthomas> add links in your hidden directory /home/maruko/.kde.Autostart
[04:10] <jthomas> add links in your hidden directory /home/maruko/.kde/Autostart
[04:11] <Maruko> sorry?
[04:11] <Maruko> can't really get it
[04:11] <jthomas> get what
[04:11] <Maruko> I am looking in my home folder
[04:11] <Maruko> and there is no .kde folder in that
[04:11] <Maruko> just my "music" and "documentatio" folders
[04:12] <jthomas> its a hidden folder; turn on Hidden Folders, or just type '.kde. in your path
[04:13] <SkyblastAtWork> Maruko: Go to View, and click show hidden folders
[04:13] <SkyblastAtWork> Hidden files, rather
[04:13] <Maruko> ok I am looking for that
[04:13] <Jucato> !autostart | Maruko
[04:13] <ubotu> Maruko: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[04:14] <Maruko> ok found
[04:14] <Maruko> then?
[04:14] <Maruko> I do not have to modify any fexisting file to do that?
[04:14] <SkyblastAtWork> go to .kde
[04:14] <Maruko> ni hao aron
[04:14] <Maruko> ok done
[04:14] <Maruko> wait
[04:14] <Maruko> I haven't made the links yet
[04:14] <Jucato> Maruko: you can also leave your apps open when you logout. the default KDE/Kubuntu behavior is that it saves what's running when you logout
[04:14] <jthomas> you'll have to make a file... you can use KWrite or Kate or something, seee this howto: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Autostart_Programs
[04:15] <jthomas> look for the KDE part
[04:15] <SkyblastAtWork> Can't you just right click and choose to make a new link to the application?
[04:15] <Jucato> SkyblastAtWork: that probably works better
[04:15] <jthomas> yes you can make a link too
[04:15] <jthomas> easier
[04:15] <Jucato> he doesn't need to make a script
[04:16] <Maruko> ok ok
[04:16] <Maruko> I would prefer not to make any script
[04:16] <Maruko> so
[04:16] <Jucato> easier would be to drag and drop and select link here.
[04:16] <Maruko> I am making a link
[04:16] <Maruko> then copyig in tghat directory
[04:16] <Maruko> anything else?
[04:16] <jthomas> nope, my error... i though link, but then saw script so i went that way, but then i actually did some homework and READ it and it says links work too ;)
[04:16] <Aaronfromchina> hello everyone. :)
[04:16] <jthomas> Maruko: one more thing: log out and in to test it!
[04:17] <Maruko> ok ok
[04:17] <Maruko> I am lookinh for the second application link
[04:17] <Jucato> Maruko: once you are in ~/.kde/Autostart, right-click in the folder, select Create New -> Link to Application.
[04:17] <Jucato> then just fill in the info that's needed (like Name, command, etc)
[04:18] <caris_mere> My palm isn't working with Feisty, since I upgraded.
[04:18] <Aaronfromchina> How can I install decorder for Amarok?
[04:19] <Jucato> Aaronfromchina: what do you mean?
[04:19] <Kubuntu> How do I know what driver I'm using?
[04:19] <Maruko> aron u mean mp3 files support?
[04:20] <Aaronfromchina> Jucato: I'm using Amarok to play a video. It says that it there is no availble decorder.
[04:20] <Jucato> Aaronfromchina: a video? Amarok is a music player. try Kaffeine
[04:20] <Kubuntu> How do I install the driver for NVIDA GEForce fx5500, I have installed, need to activate.
[04:20] <Aaronfromchina> Maruko: yes, MP3 and codecs support.
[04:20] <Jucato> Aaronfromchina: you probably need to install the "libxine-extracodecs" package
[04:20] <Jucato> !nvidia | Kubuntu
[04:20] <ubotu> Kubuntu: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:21] <Maruko> yes, libxine extracodecs
[04:21] <Maruko> the easiest way to do that is using the Automatix support
[04:21] <Aaronfromchina> Jucato: Maruko: thank you.
[04:21] <Jucato> !automatix
[04:21] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a proprietary script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[04:21] <Maruko> no prob
[04:21] <Maruko> uh
[04:21] <Maruko> never had problems with that
[04:21] <Maruko> anyway I installed my supperdt thru konsole ;)
[04:22] <Kubuntu> I want the command, nvida-glx or something
[04:22] <Jucato> Kubuntu: see the guide for which installation method you used. it's different depending on how you installed it
[04:23] <Maruko> uh another thing:
[04:24] <Maruko> what is the equivalent for KDE of the Gnome program gconf-editor
[04:24] <Maruko> ?
[04:24] <Jucato> none
[04:24] <Maruko> wow
[04:24] <Jucato> everything is in dialog boxes
[04:24] <Maruko> I have to install it then?
[04:24] <jthomas> whats a gconf-editor?
[04:24] <Maruko> well
[04:24] <Maruko> it seems it's a program
[04:24] <Jucato> Maruko: no. you don't need a gconf-editor in KDE because there's no gconf
[04:24] <Maruko> oh my
[04:24] <Maruko> then
[04:25] <jthomas> whats a gconf?
[04:25] <Maruko> I want to change the settings of my 3ddesktop
[04:25] <Maruko> and the wiki says to use gconf-editor
[04:25] <Jucato> jthomas: http://www.gnome.org/projects/gconf/
[04:25] <Jucato> Maruko: what 3ddesktop?
[04:25] <jthomas> lol just reading that
[04:25] <jthomas> is it a gnome registry??
[04:25] <Jucato> yes
[04:25] <Jucato> sort of
[04:26] <Maruko> seems to
[04:26] <Jucato> but not exactly the same as Windows'
[04:26] <jthomas> interesting... yeah KDE seems to be in each application, or in System Settings for some things (mp3 formats and sound)
[04:26] <Jucato> think of it as about:config (FIrefox) for GNOME
[04:26] <Maruko> so what I_ can do then?
[04:27] <Kubuntu> My Xserver breaks after I reboot, after I install the NVIDA driver, X server says Screens found, but none with usabole configurations. What is wrong?
[04:27] <Jucato> Maruko: that depends. what are you trying to do and to what?
[04:27] <Maruko> http://desk3d.sourceforge.net/
[04:27] <Jucato> what 3ddesktop? are you referring to Beryl, Compiz or the old one
[04:27] <Maruko> the readme
[04:27] <Jucato> ah that one
[04:27] <Maruko> I am trying to set a keyboard shortcut for 3ddesktop
[04:27] <Maruko> yep
[04:27] <Kubuntu> Any fun games tu run on my NVIDA driver?
[04:28] <Jucato> Maruko: uh much easier. System Settings -> Accessibility -> Input Actions
[04:28] <SkyblastAtWork> !info Tremulous
[04:28] <ubotu> tremulous: Aliens vs Humans, team based FPS game with elements of an RTS. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.0-3 (feisty), package size 645 kB, installed size 1516 kB
[04:28] <Jucato> click on New Action, select Keyboard Shortcut -> Simple Command/URL as the type
[04:29] <jussi01> yep, that ones great!!
[04:29] <jussi01> !info openarena
[04:29] <ubotu> openarena: A fast-paced 3D Ego-Shooter. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.0-2 (feisty), package size 747 kB, installed size 1652 kB
[04:29] <Jucato> Maruko: then in the two tabs,just fill in the info
[04:29] <jussi01> there you go Kubuntu
[04:29] <Maruko> ok
[04:30] <Maruko> I am trying
[04:30] <Maruko> it doesent' catch the key when I press it... :(
[04:30] <Jucato> hm? did you click on the button first before you pressed the key?
[04:31] <Jucato> Maruko: in the keyboard shortcut tab, click on the button first then press your desired combo
[04:31] <Maruko> yeah
[04:31] <Maruko> ok
[04:32] <Maruko> wow this works man
[04:32] <Maruko> thank u
[04:32] <Maruko> I try to see if the apllications at startup are working now
[04:32] <Kubuntu> I have openarena
[04:32] <Maruko> see you in a while
[04:36] <jthomas> Kubuntu at a bash shell, log in and run the command dpkg --reconfigure xserver-xorg and follow its steps
[04:37] <Jucato> !xconfig
[04:37] <ubotu> To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  - To configure only the driver and resolution, type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh  - See also !FixRes
[04:37] <Maruko> this is strange
[04:37] <Maruko> 3ddesjktop wa working right now
[04:37] <Jucato> Maruko: what is?
[04:37] <Maruko> then I restarted KDE and it's not working anymore
[04:37] <Jucato> have you tested manually running it?
[04:37] <Maruko> u mean from konsole?
[04:37] <Maruko> yes
[04:37] <Jucato> what does it say?
[04:38] <Jucato> does it give errors?
[04:38] <Maruko> there are some errors
[04:38] <Maruko> yea
[04:38] <Kubuntu> WHAT CAN I USE KUBUNTU FOR?
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[04:38] <Jucato> Maruko: what do the errors say?
[04:38] <jthomas> Kubuntu: computing.  i only use it, for everything.
[04:38] <Maruko> where can I post them?
[04:38] <Jucato> !paste | Maruko
[04:38] <ubotu> Maruko: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[04:39] <Kubuntu> If I'm bored right now, what should I do with Kubuntu?
[04:39] <Jucato> Kubuntu: you can use it for your day-to-day desktop computing needs. what you want to do beyond that is only limited by the packages available and your own patience
[04:39] <Maruko> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17963/
[04:39] <Kubuntu> Ecsept from downloading the 17 seasons of the simpsons.
[04:39] <Jucato> technically you can do that, with KTorrent... but legally.. that's another question
[04:40] <Kubuntu> How do I install every single package? Or how do I change the languae=
[04:40] <Jucato> !locale
[04:40] <ubotu> To set up and configure your locales, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LocaleConf
[04:40] <Jucato> Maruko: looks like video card driver problems
[04:40] <Maruko> but it was working right no
[04:41] <Maruko> when  I was talking to u 5 minutes ago it was working perfectly
[04:41] <Jucato> not really sure what happened then. something in your xorg.conf must have been changed... or a driver update?
[04:41] <Kubuntu> How can I play the games in Live Messenger in kopete?
[04:41] <Maruko> no, anything
[04:41] <Maruko> I just restarted KDE
[04:41] <Jucato> changes to X-related stuff don't usually take effect until you restart X (or KDE)
[04:41] <Jucato> Kubuntu: hm... I don't think you can.
[04:41] <jthomas> Kubuntu: Live Messenger is a Microsoft thing, they hate us, hate Freedom... good luck but i don't think that you can.
[04:42] <Kubuntu> Why isn't there any games in Kopete?
[04:42] <jthomas> Kopete is a chat application, not a game
[04:42] <Jucato> Kubuntu: there would be if Yahoo or MSN opened up the sources for those games
[04:42] <Kubuntu> So is Live messenger
[04:43] <Kubuntu> You can download it and look at the code, can't you?
[04:43] <Jucato> no you can't
[04:43] <jthomas> well... different concepts i guess. Linux has applications designed to do one thing and do it well, not all-in-one crapplications
[04:43] <Jucato> not on Yahoo's or MSN's end
[04:43] <Maruko> what can I do with my video card problem?
[04:43] <Maruko> I have to reconfigure the Xorg?
[04:44] <Kubuntu> When I download the .exe f i open it in kate, then I see code. Don't you?
[04:44] <Jucato> lol of course not
[04:44] <Kubuntu> You cant see the code?
[04:44] <Jucato> no you can't
[04:44] <Kubuntu> I can see a bunch of letters, and letters is code.
[04:45] <Jucato> roflmao
[04:45] <Jucato> apparently you don't know what a source code is
[04:45] <LeeJunFan> Kubuntu: what you see if you open the exe is the binary code, what you need is the source code.
[04:45] <sdf> how can write , compile and run programs  with c/c++/c# in kubuntu???
[04:45] <Kubuntu> I know what open source is, but not what the opposit is.
[04:45] <Jucato> actually what you see is the text editor trying hard to "interpret" binary code
[04:45] <LeeJunFan> true.
[04:46] <Jucato> Kubuntu: no. I was talking about "source code"
[04:47] <LeeJunFan> Kubuntu: source code is human readable, binary is not.
[04:47] <Kubuntu> But can't you decomply the binary code?
[04:47] <LeeJunFan> At least not by any human I've ever met :)
[04:47] <Jucato> Kubuntu: if you could, it would still be illegally acquired
[04:47] <sivaji> " sivaji, sudo dd if=/dev/dsp of=/dev/hda1" what this command will do
[04:47] <Kubuntu> But when you write something in c++, you comply it, can't you do that the other way around?
[04:47] <jussi01> sdf: you need to know c++ or other longuages then use g++ to compile - or eclipse is a good start
[04:48] <LeeJunFan> Kubuntu: you can disassemble it, but assembly language is no fun to work with either.
[04:48] <LjL> sivaji: you've been *told* what it does. wipes the HD. now stop repeating it, thanks.
[04:48] <Kubuntu> But it is possibole?
[04:48] <Jucato> Kubuntu: bottom line: Yahoo's and MSN's games are closed source. You can't see the source code, so you can't add it to Kopete or GAIM or any other messenger that doesn't com from Yahoo or MSN.
[04:48] <sdf> jussio1:how can i install and use g++??
[04:48] <LjL> !build-essential
[04:48] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[04:49] <Yorokobi> !info monodevelop
[04:49] <ubotu> monodevelop: C#/Boo/Java/Nemerle/ILasm/ASP.NET Development Environment. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.12+dfsg-1ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 1757 kB, installed size 5548 kB
[04:49] <LeeJunFan> Kubuntu: like Jucato says, the source code for those programs is owned and copyrighted, no part of it can legally be used in another program with permission.
[04:49] <LeeJunFan> err - all code.
[04:49] <Kubuntu> So it is possibole, but it is illegal?
[04:49] <LeeJunFan> without permission . hehe
[04:50] <Jucato>  <Kubuntu> But when you write something in c++, you comply it, can't you do that the other way around?  <--- not always.
[04:50] <LeeJunFan> Kubuntu: possible, hardly worth the time it would take, and illegal.
[04:50] <Kubuntu> Just chomod it.
[04:50] <Jucato> (this is really getting offtopic btw)
[04:50] <Kubuntu> Would it take as long as downloading 41 gb of the simpsons with a download rate of 7kps?
[04:51] <jussi01> !offtopic | Kubuntu
[04:51] <ubotu> Kubuntu: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[04:51] <Kubuntu> But if you don't write your name on it, than they can't know ho did it?
[04:52] <Kubuntu> It is about kubuntu
[04:52] <Jucato> no it isn't
[04:52] <jussi01> for all Kubuntu-related support questions.
[04:52] <Kubuntu> I need support in knowing why we can't have the same games as windows.
[04:52] <Jucato> if you write your name on it even if it's not yours, then you are stealing. that's illeggal
[04:52] <Jucato> illegal*
[04:53] <Maruko> ahm...
[04:53] <Maruko> Jucato
[04:53] <jthomas> Kubuntu: first the whol structure of it all wouldn't fit together; there are different calls to APIs and parts of the OS.  Second, it would never be included because it would be suspect and likely be found, and if it wasn't found it would cause major headaches and lawsuits for Linux companies
[04:53] <Jucato> Maruko: yep?
[04:53] <Kubuntu> Liiek when I write my name on my computer?
[04:53] <Maruko> can u tellmewhat I ahve to do about that video card problem?
[04:53] <Jucato> Kubuntu: that's different. *you* own *your* computer.
[04:53] <LeeJunFan> For the same reason you can't practice Chinese law in America, it's meant for another environment, and if you did it you'd get arrested.
[04:53] <Kubuntu> I own the programs on my computer,
[04:53] <Jucato> Kubuntu: not always.
[04:53] <gnomefreak> Kubuntu: no you dont
[04:53] <jthomas> Kubuntu: not from MS or Yahoo you don't! read their EULA
[04:54] <gnomefreak> you own the right to use them
[04:54] <LeeJunFan> Kubuntu: what you own is the right to install them, not tamper with or reverse engineer them.
[04:54] <Kubuntu> Then their programs are tresspassing.
[04:54] <Jucato> Maruko: hm.. not really... what video card driver
[04:54] <Jucato> Kubuntu: then don't install them!
[04:54] <LeeJunFan> omg
[04:54] <jthomas> not if you installed them; you invited them onto your machine
[04:54] <Kubuntu> I own the knowledge in my head, and the bits and bytes on my harddrive.
[04:54] <DarkED> is there any particular reason an upgrade from edgy to feisty would make an external HDD not work?
[04:54] <jussi01> Kubuntu: that is why we use an OPEN SOURCE OS!!!
[04:54] <gnomefreak> this is getting a bit offtopic as Jucato stated
[04:55] <Maruko> taht thing about the 3ddesktop
[04:55] <DarkED> it detects it and even asks if i want to open it in a window
[04:55] <Kubuntu> So you can't play games?
[04:55] <Maruko> I told u 5 minutesd ago
[04:55] <DarkED> yet, it wont
[04:55] <jthomas> Kubuntu: if you own the knowledge, write the plugins for kopete to play the games
[04:55] <Jucato> Maruko: yeah I know. but what video card
[04:55] <Jucato> !games | Kubuntu
[04:55] <ubotu> Kubuntu: Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org
[04:55] <gnomefreak> Kubuntu: install wine or cedega
[04:55] <sdf> i downloaded theme for kubuntu and the file with extension tar.gz and the file in partition "d" how can i install it??
[04:55] <Kubuntu> I can't get kubuntus c++ complier to work
[04:55] <jthomas> Kubuntu: easy answer, no.  use games to play games.
[04:55] <Jucato> sdf: what kind of "theme" is it?
[04:55] <gnomefreak> Kubuntu: install build-essential
[04:55] <Kubuntu> is cedga free?
[04:56] <Maruko> it's an old S3 card
[04:56] <Maruko> :(
[04:56] <jthomas> no, not free but maybe GPL'd Free...
[04:56] <Jucato> hm....
[04:56] <gnomefreak> iirc its in there. Kubuntu no its not free iirc
[04:56] <Kubuntu> I have build essential
[04:56] <Jucato> Maruko: just you're luck. I have no idea about it :(
[04:56] <sivaji> ple tell me some command to crash system
[04:56] <sdf> kde
[04:56] <aaroncampbell> I'm on Kubuntu Feisty, and I can't seem to print from Eclipse (I think it doesn't see any printers)...and I get the same problem with Zend Studio (another Java app).  I *can* print from other applications, like Firefox and Thunderbird.
[04:56] <Kubuntu> reboot
[04:56] <LeeJunFan> Maruko: that's an SIS card?
[04:56] <sdf> jucato:kde
[04:56] <Kubuntu> sivaji reboot
[04:57] <Jucato> sdf: I mean is it for a Style, window decoration, icon theme?
[04:57] <Maruko> VIA Technologies...
[04:57] <Jucato> !changethemes | sdf
[04:57] <ubotu> sdf: [Ubuntu]  Install gnome-themes or go to menu, system settings, appearance. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy for a guide. [Kubuntu]  For a Kubuntu guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu
[04:57] <Kubuntu> sivaji sudo apt-get autoremove
[04:57] <Kubuntu> How can I see what is on my windows partion/harddrive?
[04:57] <sdf> jucato: style
[04:58] <Jucato> sdf: ah you'd have to compile it then
[04:58] <Jucato> sdf: unless you can find a .deb package for it
[04:58] <sdf> jucato:how
[04:58] <Jucato> !compile | sdf
[04:58] <ubotu> sdf: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[04:58] <Kubuntu> Ho runs the Kubuntu company?
[04:59] <Jucato> sdf: just follow that guide and compile it. then it will be added to the list of Styles available in System Settings
[04:59] <jussi01> !ntfs-3g | Kubuntu
[04:59] <ubotu> Kubuntu: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[04:59] <jussi01> !sabdfl | Kubuntu
[04:59] <ubotu> Kubuntu: Mark "sabdfl" Shuttleworth is our favourite cosmonaut, the founder of Canonical and the primary driver behind Ubuntu. You can find pieces of his thinking at http://www.markshuttleworth.com
[05:00] <Kubuntu> No he was Finish, Linus Torvaldson- HAHA
[05:00] <Jucato> O.o
[05:00] <Kubuntu> I looked at wikipedia
[05:01] <Kubuntu> Why can't I install all the packages that starts with the letter a without crasshing adept??
[05:02] <sdf> i write sudo apt-get install build-essential
[05:02] <sdf> i had
[05:02] <sdf> Reading package lists... Done
[05:02] <sdf> Building dependency tree... Done
[05:02] <sdf> E: Couldn't find package build-essenti
[05:02] <sdf> what do you mean this
[05:02] <Kubuntu> sdf Don't complaine if you don't have a problem.
[05:02] <Jucato> !pastebin | sdf
[05:02] <ubotu> sdf: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:03] <Kubuntu> !pasebin | sdf
[05:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pasebin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:03] <Jucato> sdf: did you put in the correct name? build-essential not buld-essenti
[05:03] <jim88> hi all ... I have a question concerning setting up my shared network printer in Kubuntu.  Under Gnome in Ubuntu I use the LPD format and set my network shared printer up by putting in the IP address and lp for the queue and away I go... is there a simple way to do this under Kubuntu?
[05:04] <sdf> i put build-essential
[05:04] <sdf> what it that mean?
[05:04] <Yorokobi> jim88, its pretty much the same: Kmenu->System Settings->Printers->Add->Network printer (TCP) ...
[05:05] <Kubuntu> It is what Smart people need, you do not need them
[05:05] <Jucato> Kubuntu: you are really bordering on trolling.
[05:07] <npricardo> Hi!
[05:07] <npricardo> I'm extreeeeeemlllyyyyy new to linux (2nd day)... :-)
[05:07] <npricardo> I can't even install a new theme yet...
[05:07] <npricardo> Don't know where the admin button is...
[05:08] <npricardo> Heheehehe
[05:08] <Jucato> npricardo: admin button for?
[05:08] <npricardo> I don't know... I'm asked to click it, to install a theme...
[05:08] <npricardo> Hehehehhee
[05:08] <abdullah> how to change 4 all user the xcursor? i tried $ update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme
[05:09] <npricardo> I was a win user... Don't hold it too much against me...
[05:09] <npricardo> =)
[05:09] <abdullah> but  it change only in the kdm the cursor
[05:09] <jthomas> npricardo: welcome to Freedom, where things are great but not always easy...
[05:09] <Jucato> npricardo: hm? what are you trying to do? are you following a guide?
[05:10] <ubuntu_> OK, I'm **STILL** trying to install Feisty ....
[05:10] <npricardo> No. System settings => Appearence => Theme
[05:10] <Jucato> npricardo: oh you are trying to change a KDM Theme. I don't think that's what you're trying to do...
[05:11] <npricardo> But I get a notice that I have to press the "Administrator Button"
[05:11] <Jucato> a KDM theme is for your login screen, not for your desktop
[05:11] <Cugel> !nl
[05:11] <ubotu> Nederlandstalige ondersteuning voor Ubuntu (en vers gezette koffie) is te vinden in #ubuntu-nl
[05:11] <Jucato> !changethemes | npricardo
[05:11] <ubotu> npricardo: [Ubuntu]  Install gnome-themes or go to menu, system settings, appearance. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy for a guide. [Kubuntu]  For a Kubuntu guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu
[05:11] <npricardo> I'm still exploring...
[05:11] <ubuntu_> So far I've managed to run it live and apparently I'm running as root from the live version ... trouble is I can't get the main installer to work ....
[05:11] <Jucato> npricardo: try that guide (2nd link) above ^^^
[05:11] <tart> hello all
[05:11] <npricardo> Hhhhhhhaaaaa
[05:11] <|lostbyte|> tart, hello
[05:11] <jim88> Yorokobi ... thank you for your help ... I think I missed looking under system settings
[05:11] <Yorokobi> jim88, np
[05:11] <npricardo> Ok. I'm going to check it and get back to you. Thanks!!!
[05:11] <npricardo> =)
[05:12] <tart> HOW CAN I RUN WINDOWS XP IN KUBUNTU 7.04 ??? :)
[05:12] <Jucato> !caps | tart
[05:12] <ubotu> tart: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[05:12] <LjL> !caps
[05:12] <ubuntu_> when I try to install Feisty, it halts by dumping me into a shell and leaving me with the message "bin/sh: can't access tty, job control turned off"
[05:12] <Jucato> tart: and you can't
[05:12] <|lostbyte|> tart, vmware
[05:12] <Jucato> tart: unless you use vmware
[05:12] <Jucato> or something like it (virtualbox, qemu, etc)
[05:12] <|lostbyte|> tart, Or wine if its more application specific.
[05:12] <aaroncampbell> tart: vmware, but you'll need to run the 6 beta
[05:12] <MarcC_> how can I delete "undeletable" items from my trash? Seems like I don't have permissions.
[05:12] <LjL> ubuntu_: there's a bug report involving that error, but i don't know what the solution might be
[05:13] <tart> hmm ... i am new to this ... do you have some tutorials ?
[05:13] <ubuntu_> Oh so you mean I've donloaded and burned a buggy CD?
[05:13] <|lostbyte|> tart, why you want to run windows in linux ?
[05:14] <aaroncampbell> I'm on Kubuntu Feisty, and I can't seem to print from Eclipse (I think it doesn't see any printers)...and I get the same problem with Zend Studio (another Java app).  I *can* print from other applications, like Firefox and Thunderbird.
[05:14] <Yorokobi> ubuntu_, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=415009
[05:14] <ubuntu_> The version I downloaded was 7.04 desktop i386.iso .....
[05:15] <cernui> Hi! how can I rerun the automatic X configuration tool?
[05:16] <ubuntu_> If you need to reconfigure X, it helps if you're root ....
[05:16] <slestak> cernui: there are a few of them avaialble, do you know which one you ran?
[05:16] <Timsen> cernui: du you mean the configuration for the resolution and video driver?
[05:16] <ubuntu_> If not, you have to preface the command with @sudo@ ....
[05:16] <Jucato> !xconfig | cernui
[05:16] <ubotu> cernui: To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  - To configure only the driver and resolution, type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh  - See also !FixRes
[05:16] <cernui> Yeah, I know
[05:17] <ubuntu_> Beat me to it :)
[05:18] <cernui> Thanks!
[05:24] <Fishy> I am trying to install a kernel specific to my cpu (athlon) by installing the linux-image-k7 kernel. However, grub seems unable to find it when I do a update-grub. I have tried to reboot, with no results. Any ideas? I am using feisty.
[05:25] <Yorokobi> Fishy, if you're installing the kernel from the repositories then you don't have to run update-grub, that step is performed by the package installation script
[05:25] <koprnicus> I did apt-get kubuntu-desktop and installed it. When i started kde it says could not start kstartupconfig check installation. Any solution ?
[05:26] <Fishy> Yorokobi: I have tried to run upgrade-grub. It just finds the generic images.
[05:26] <Fishy> yorokobi: Anyways a reboots uses the generic images.
[05:26] <claudio__> ciao a tutti
[05:26] <claudio__> ho bisogno di aiuto
[05:26] <claudio__> per favore!!!
[05:27] <Yorokobi> Fishy, are you installing a custom kernel (one you built) or one from the repos? Did you use the grub menu to choose the alternate kernel or let it boot the default?
[05:27] <Yorokobi> !it | claudio__
[05:27] <Fishy> Also when I install the linux-image-k7 it does not install the dependencies (restricted modules etc) automatically.
[05:27] <ubotu> claudio__: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[05:27] <Fishy> Yorokobi: I use the repos. I have tried to push 'esc' while booting kubuntu, grub lists only the generic images. There are no new images in /boot
[05:28] <Yorokobi> Fishy, which version of ubuntu? Dapper? Edgy? Feisty?
[05:28] <Fishy> Yorokobi: Feisty dawn
[05:28] <Yorokobi> If Feisty (Fawn) : linux-image-k7 - Obsoleted by: linux-image-generic
[05:28] <Fishy> Yes, I get that message in synaptic
[05:28] <Yorokobi> There are no real -k7 packages for feisty, they're all meta packages for -generic
[05:29] <Fishy> Yorokobi: ah, does that mean that I already use a kernel image optimized for my cpu?
[05:29] <ririco> hello
[05:29] <Yorokobi> Fishy, yep
[05:29] <Fishy> ok, thanks :)
[05:29] <ririco> yokorobi can u help me?
[05:30] <phoenix_wrath> Hello , is this channel alive ?
[05:31] <Yorokobi> ririco, maybe, what's up?
[05:31] <ririco> i have nvidia 5500 card and i cant change the resolution
[05:31] <Yorokobi> !fixres | ririco
[05:31] <ubotu> ririco: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[05:31] <ririco> now its 640x480
[05:31] <phoenix_wrath> Yorokobi , can you help me with a startup installation for a newbee?
[05:32] <Fishy> Yorokobi: One may question the need for a k7 specific kernel in the repos if the kernel is optimized to begin with in feisty.
[05:33] <Yorokobi> Fishy, the meta package is there for backward-compatibility. Better to keep a meta package than accidentally remove someone's kernel :)
[05:33] <Yorokobi> phoenix_wrath, ??
[05:33] <Yorokobi> I'm not the only one here, ask your question and someone will _probably_ answer you.
[05:34] <phoenix_wrath> yap , Yorokobi , that's the name , the story behind it is a long one ,I will tell it later, a newbee questyion ?
[05:35] <abdullah> how to change the standart xcursor for all user
[05:35] <neverblue> phoenix_wrath, you can google the ubuntu guide
[05:35] <neverblue> that will help you setup your system
[05:35] <phoenix_wrath> wow , neverblue , how didn't I think of that, please take into consideration that if I came here the problem is more than that
[05:36] <draches> wassup everybody !
[05:36] <neverblue> phoenix_wrath, i am sure its covered, it not, do you think it might be possible to actually ask your question?
[05:36] <neverblue> exectly Yorokobi
[05:36] <neverblue> exactly*
[05:37] <draches> Any ideas on why my clock keeps screwing around? it seems to advance some minutes every day, if i get into setup and apply settings it will sync with ntp server and it'll be alright for some days, but i still dont like it.
[05:37] <neverblue> draches, you can set it up to sync with another location
[05:38] <Yorokobi> draches, have you overclocked your system? Particularly the FSB ?
[05:38] <phoenix_wrath> OK, I do not know Ubuntu at all, I downloaded the 7.04 version and am trying to install it , yet immediately it shouts of a "Kernel panic, it says it can nout mount VFS on device block (8,1). I have SATA, I GOOGLED for the answers yet they are all too complicated for a newbee like me who read a comercial about this product being as easy as spreading butter on bread to install , any bright ideas ?
[05:38] <draches> Hmm not at the moment it is not overclocked.
[05:38] <llutz> draches: remove /etc/adjtime and sync again
[05:39] <draches> neverblue: i don't think it's the ntp server, when i sync its alright but i guess it slowly gains more minutes that it should
[05:39] <draches> Ok, ill try that llutz
[05:40] <neverblue> phoenix_wrath, how are you installing it?
[05:40] <phoenix_wrath> neverblue , I just put the CD inside and ask to install , what could be simpler than that ?
[05:40] <Yorokobi> phoenix_wrath, there are some known problems with the kernel feisty ships with and PATA/SATA controllers ... you may have to use 6.10 (edgy) instead
[05:40] <neverblue> phoenix_wrath, exactly
[05:40] <Yorokobi> See for a load of complaints: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=415009
[05:40] <neverblue> phoenix_wrath, which ISO, the regular, or the alternative?
[05:41] <neverblue> regular meaning, the i386
[05:41] <phoenix_wrath> neverblue , I think I just downloaded what was offered on the site thus I guess it is regular
[05:41] <draches> Ok llutz i've done that
[05:41] <phoenix_wrath> Nope , I have an AMD 64 and thus I downloaded the version for it
[05:41] <neverblue> get the alternative
[05:41] <draches> is that all ?
[05:41] <neverblue> it will make your install run a bit smoother
[05:42] <slestak> i second that, i usually use alternative install disk
[05:43] <draches> what is the change on alternative ?
[05:43] <phoenix_wrath> neverblue , what was your response for my AMD 64 X2 ?
[05:43] <llutz> draches: just watch your clock now
[05:43] <draches> llutz:  ok, i'll come by again if it seems broken again ! thanks!
[05:43] <neverblue> phoenix_wrath,  get the alternative
[05:44] <neverblue> phoenix_wrath,  it will make your install run a bit smoother
[05:44] <phoenix_wrath> NEverblue , pardon me , what is the alternative for the AMD 64 X2 ?
[05:45] <ririco>  !!!
[05:45] <ririco> nothingt
[05:45] <LjL> !language | ririco
[05:45] <ubotu> ririco: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[05:46] <ririco> i cant change the resolution of my screen!
[05:46] <LjL> !fixres
[05:46] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[05:46] <ririco>   
[05:47] <Jucato> coffee bean? O.o
[05:47] <LjL> !gr | ririco
[05:47] <ubotu> ririco: #ubuntu-gr  #kubuntu-gr     /  #ubuntu-gr kai #kubuntu-gr gia Ellhnes xrhstes
[05:48] <LjL> ririco: including "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg"?
[05:48] <ririco> LjL   ?
[05:49] <LjL> ririco:     ,    
[05:49] <ririco> ok
[05:49] <Search4Lancer> okay, so, did upgrading to Fiesty remove Adept?
[05:50] <Search4Lancer> nevermind, it just moved...
[05:53] <ririco> how can i change the resolution of my graphix card by console?
[05:54] <LjL> ririco, the only way is really to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org. you need to make sure that 1) the highest resolution you want is selected, and 2) you tell it how much your monitor can show
[05:54] <LjL> when it asks about monitors and refresh-rates, select "Medium", and select the resolution you want, at a refresh-rate that your monitor can accept
[05:56] <ririco> thanx LjL!
[06:02] <ubuntu_> hi all
[06:02] <ubuntu_> salut tout le mond e
[06:10] <caris_mere> how can I check to see if feisty even connects with my pda?
[06:11] <samuel_> hello
[06:19] <boyee> I cann't use scim in openoffice!!!
[06:20] <burebista> hi every body
[06:21] <epimeth> woo hoo! ies4linux working
[06:21] <epimeth> aaalllll riiiight
[06:22] <NightBird> congrats epimeth
[06:22] <epimeth> cheers
[06:22] <epimeth> crutial for a web developer :-)
[06:22] <burebista> I really need to install Ymess on my new Unubtu 7.04. I tried a couple of things but nothing worked could anyone help a newbie?
[06:22] <Markeda> Anybody have any suggestions for a good book to read for a person who is 110% new to Linux?
[06:23] <NightBird> yeah, being able to test websites on ie is pretty useful
[06:23] <epimeth> now all I need is to get my sound working...
[06:24] <epimeth> NightBird: yea... if by useful you mean "god I hate IE, doesn't microsoft understand the word 'standards'????"
[06:24] <NightBird> heh
[06:24] <NightBird> yeah...
[06:24] <NightBird> is ie7 any better?
[06:24] <NightBird> I've heard that it's suppost to be, but I don't know one way or the other officially
[06:24] <epimeth> like the great Inigo Montoya once said... "I do not tink that word means what you tink it means"
[06:25] <burebista> it is pretty cool IE7
[06:25] <caris_mere> I need some help getting my Palm to connect with my computer
[06:25] <epimeth> burebista: you bite your thumb!
[06:25] <burebista> tabs and stuf...
[06:25] <dennister> Markeda: I have the Linux Bible here that I bought when I was new...and then there are the ones dedicated to Ubuntu
[06:26] <burebista> what? why do you think i have installed ubuntu on my pc? because I love Bill?((
[06:26] <epimeth> NightBird: it does a better job supporting most of CSS... the box model for example... but auto l/r margins are still off
[06:26] <NightBird> hm...
[06:26] <GrahamA> Hey people, Could anybody here do me a huge favour and is good making logos and images?
[06:26] <burebista> I really need to install Ymess on my new Unubtu 7.04. I tried a couple of things but nothing worked could anyone help a newbie?
[06:27] <epimeth> burebista: because IE7 isn't cool... its big, clunky, and annoying... kinda like fat albert only without Eddy Murphy to speak for it
[06:27] <Markeda> Linux Bible? I'll look into that. Thank you.
[06:27] <caris_mere> burebista what did you try?
[06:28] <burebista> downloading .deb and .rpm apps from Yserver
[06:29] <caris_mere> burebista why don't you just use gaim or kopete? you can download them with adept
[06:29] <burebista> I Know, and they are so cool, but I need to play chess this wkend with some friends :))
[06:30] <burebista> gaim is super
[06:30] <caris_mere> burebista: I'm pretty sure the linux version of Ymessenger doesn't allow that anyways.  It's pretty far behind the windows counterpart
[06:31] <epimeth> nah... I tried gaim a few years ago and didn't like it... I hear its much better now, but you know how first impressions are
[06:32] <Jucato> !away > meduxa
[06:32] <burebista> caris_mere: are you sure? that is bad for me
[06:35] <caris_mere> burebista: I tried yahoo messenger when looking for a messenger that supported webcams, and I noticed that gaim and kopete are much better than the linux version of yahoomessenger
[06:36] <caris_mere> burebista: you can always just go to yahoo games and invite your friend.
[06:36] <burebista> caris: can you tell me how to activate my web cam?
[06:36] <burebista> I really do not know how:(
[06:38] <Search4Lancer> I have yet to figure out how to get sound to work in flash movies... anybody know?
[06:38] <ririco> how can i change the resolution not via console
[06:38] <atidem> hi!
[06:38] <Moo-> How should the upgrade work? When I was upgrading, adept said that it istalled an upgrade tool, but I can't find it from anywhere
[06:38] <ririco> windowed mode
[06:41] <caris_mere> burebista: I unfortunately don't have time at the  moment
[06:41] <burebista> np thanks
[06:43] <tominglis> hi, does anyone know how i can connect to a windows vista share from feisty, and transfer over some files?
[06:44] <tominglis> over a local area network
[06:45] <andrepose> Tominglis you need to install sambe
[06:45] <andrepose> samba sorry..
[06:45] <tominglis> samba-common is installed by default
[06:45] <tominglis> do i need to install samba if i only want to connect to the other computer
[06:45] <tominglis> i don't want to serve anything
[06:45] <Daisuke_Ido> smbclient
[06:45] <llutz> tominglis: konqueror -> smb://vista-pc-name/share
[06:45] <Daisuke_Ido> or kioslaves :D
[06:48] <epimeth> tominglis: it should be installed already, actually... so yea, what llutz said :-)
[06:48] <tominglis> yeah i have tried that, it keeps timing out :(
[06:49] <llutz> tominglis: dns-resolution works?
[06:49] <andrepose> THat brings up an issue I am having, Every time I try to mount a windows share using the system settings/disks & filesystems gui it crashes when I pull up the scan network dialogue...
[06:49] <fulat2k> hi folks, i booted up kubuntu 7.04 livecd and it detected my usb wifi stick (dlink dwl-g122 b1).  however, the signal displayed is totally unusable.  any idea what's wrong?
[06:49] <epimeth> tominglis: can you ping the host?
[06:49] <andrepose> It worked fine in Edgy. And this is a fresh install of Feisty.
[06:50] <tominglis> no, but i am not sure why, as she has turned off her firewall
[06:50] <tominglis> i can ping my feisty desktop fine
[06:50] <epimeth> tominglis: if you can't ping, that explains why the smb: is timing out
[06:50] <epimeth> check her ip settings
[06:50] <epimeth> make sure you're on the same subnet
[06:51] <llutz> vista drops ICMP?
[06:51] <epimeth> vista, eh?  I'm not sure... get her to ping herself
[06:51] <epimeth> 127.0.0.1
[06:51] <epimeth> it might
[06:51] <epimeth> then check if she can open her own share
[06:52] <epimeth> anybody know how I can manage what icons appear on the desktop when mounting drives?
[06:52] <andrepose> Am I maybe missing some packages?
[06:52] <epimeth> andrepose: can you open the share manually?
[06:53] <trotek> the edgy->feisty update is such shit wow
[06:53] <trotek> i've been fighting with it for a day already
[06:54] <trotek> and now it just hung at "configuring dash"
[06:54] <andrepose> epimeth, no...
[06:54] <jussi01> andrepose: have you got samba and smbfs installed?
[06:55] <jermain_> hi can anyone help me, i want to mount my HDD, but i dunno how to do that
[06:55] <andrepose> wierd... I just tried apt-get those and samba itself wasn't installed. It's installing now..
[06:55] <andrepose> I thought it was installed..
[06:56] <epimeth> jermain_: what filesystem?
[06:56] <andrepose> that would do it wouldn't it...
[06:56] <jussi01> jermain_: what sort of filesytem is on it?
[06:56] <jermain_> Bus 004 Device 017: ID 1058:0901 Western Digital Technologies, Inc
[06:56] <tominglis> epimeth: she can ping herself
[06:56] <jussi01> andrepose: more than likely...
[06:56] <tominglis> epimeth: and i have checked that netbios is on and that the firewall is off and that sharing is on
[06:56] <dennister> having a bit of trouble with configuring ktorrent's ports...have changed the default tcp 6881 and default udp port, but when I go to forward the new ones, the upnp plugin insists on forwarding the old ones...anyone know how to get it to forward the new ports only?
[06:56] <jermain_> i dunno what the commant is to mount it
[06:56] <epimeth> andrepose: samba is the server not the client
[06:56] <epimeth> andrepose: but it includes the client
[06:56] <epimeth> andrepose: so you should be fine now
[06:57] <andrepose> Thanks guys.
[06:57] <jermain_> sudo mount <something> -.-
[06:57] <epimeth> tominglis: whats her IP address
[06:57] <andrepose> It's almost always something simple.
[06:57] <epimeth> tominglis: and what's yours?
[06:57] <tominglis> erm, well we are behind nat
[06:57] <epimeth> andrepose: tell that to my sound card
[06:57] <jussi01> !diskmounter | jermain_
[06:57] <epimeth> jermain_: file system not hardware
[06:58] <ubotu> jermain_: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[06:58] <andrepose> Anyone know a good reference for learning linux permissions. Users and groups stuff?
[06:58] <jermain_> thanks!
[06:58] <jermain_> :)
[06:58] <andrepose> I am trying to set up proftpd and things like that and i am finding it a little bit confusing...
[06:59] <jussi01> !permissions | andrepose
[06:59] <ubotu> andrepose: The files and directories on an Ubuntu system are organized according to a standard, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard - file permissions are explained at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions - All filenames and directory names (and many other things) are case sensitive in Linux
[07:00] <tominglis> epimeth: what do i type in windows to see if she is able to open her own share?
[07:00] <andrepose> Great. Thanks... So it's so common there's a script for it...
[07:00] <andrepose> ;)
[07:00] <jussi01> :D
[07:00] <thefirstdude> I keep getting this error 'Kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database availabe!'
[07:00] <dennister> no one knows how to change and forward ktorrents default ports?
[07:01] <jussi01> dennister: what exactly are you trying to do?
[07:01] <arnau> hello. Somebody can help me about sound configuration in a toshiba tecra A7?
[07:02] <epimeth> wtf???? myst requires quicktime???
[07:02] <jermain_> guys thank you for the link earlier but
[07:03] <jermain_> if someone tells me
[07:03] <jermain_> argh
[07:03] <Nai1z> my screen keeps fading to black? screensavers off and so is power saing, any ideas guys/gals?
[07:03] <dennister> i've already changed the ports from the default ones (e.g. 6881 is blacklisted lots of times), but when i go to forward the new ports, the upnp plugin only forwards the old ones (e.g. 6881)...how do i get it to port forward the new ones?
[07:03] <jermain_> i lost th \e line, brb
[07:03] <epimeth> tominglis: network neighborhood -> workgroup -> her computer name
[07:03] <jermain_> back, if someone tells me sudo mount <device> <mountpoint>
[07:03] <jermain_> what does he mean by mountpoint?
[07:04] <tominglis> epimeth: so in windows explorer computername:share
[07:04] <tominglis> ?
[07:04] <epimeth> jermain_: the directory where you want to mount into
[07:04] <tominglis> or /share
[07:04] <epimeth> jermain_: as in /media/windows_partition
[07:04] <dennister> jussi01: is that clear enough of what i want to do?
[07:04] <jermain_> oh i dont want to mount the windows partition but an hdd on my usb
[07:05] <epimeth> tominglis: in explorer:  \\COMPUTERNAME
[07:05] <jermain_> so that would be 'mount media/my\ book'
[07:05] <jermain_> but it doesnt do it
[07:05] <jermain_> while it works with cdrom0
[07:05] <lupul> is there a bit torrent client better than ktorrent?
[07:06] <LjL> !best
[07:06] <ubotu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[07:06] <LjL> !torrent
[07:06] <ubotu> Torrent clients: Azureus (Java), BitTornado (Shell with python front-end), KTorrent (KDE/Qt)  -  Bittorent FAQ: http://www.bittorrent.com/FAQ.html
[07:06] <epimeth> jermain_: no... sudo mount /dev/whatever_the_usb_is /media/my\ book   ---- keep in mind the mountpoint has to already exist
[07:06] <andrepose> My gui for mounting windows shares is still crashing. Though the actual crash dialogue doesn't come up anymore.
[07:06] <underdog5004> I just installed ubuntu feisty, then installed kubuntu-desktop. then uninstalled ubuntu-desktop, so I could orphan the gnome stuff...how do I get rid of the orphaned stuff?
[07:06] <lupul> k thanks
[07:06] <jermain_> epimeth: thanks ill try that
[07:07] <The> Hello Everyone!
[07:07] <dennister> mind you, azureus is a pig when it comes to needing lots of memory
[07:07] <thefirstdude> hi
[07:07] <thefirstdude> ok?
[07:07] <dennister> but the latest ktorrent keeps crashing all the time anyway, and i have tons of memory, so i'm thinking of switching back
[07:08] <lupul> it's true about ktorrent
[07:08] <The> azureus is a memory hog even on Kubuntu?
[07:08] <underdog5004> I prefer rtorrent. I use it on my server 24/7...
[07:08] <lupul> that's why i wanna get rid of it
[07:08] <underdog5004> uses ncurses for a TUI (Textual User Interface)
[07:08] <epimeth> rtorrent is sweet
[07:08] <underdog5004> lol
[07:08] <epimeth> use it on my server as well
[07:09] <underdog5004> so, nobody know how to uninstall all the gnome garbage on my system?
[07:09] <dennister> The: i'm not absolutely certain about how piggish it is on kubuntu, but it stands to reason that if it's a pig elsewhere, it will be in this environment, too
[07:10] <epimeth> underdog5004: yes... install kubuntu from scratch... :-)
[07:10] <underdog5004> epimeth, yeach
[07:10] <andrepose> is there any other packages that I might be missing to get the filesystem (windows share)  mount to stop crashing?  Anyone else have this problem?
[07:10] <underdog5004> I don't have the kubuntu disk otherwise I would
[07:10] <dennister> i used to get some really good speeds with ktorrent while i was on edgy...and then the 'upgrade' of ktorrent and all the multiple crashes
[07:10] <epimeth> use jigdo with the ubuntu disk as a seed
[07:10] <epimeth> underdog5004: ^
[07:10] <andrepose> Edgy worked fine no problems at all...
[07:10] <epimeth> underdog5004: less downloading that way
[07:11] <underdog5004> jigdo?
[07:11] <MajorApus> can someone help me figure out why I cant delete folders through a gui on my mounted -rw hard drive
[07:11] <epimeth> !jigdo
[07:11] <ubotu> jigdo is the jigsaw downloader for building cd isos. for more information see http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/
[07:11] <jussi01> MajorApus: sudo konqueror
[07:11] <dennister> feisty is still a lot easier than edgy...i was a huge fan of edgy and how easier it was to get ivtv drivers and mythtv working
[07:12] <underdog5004> thanks
[07:12] <MajorApus> jussi01 seems lame I cant delete folders I own
[07:12] <jussi01> MajorApus: security...
[07:13] <jermain_> !mount
[07:13] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[07:13] <jussi01> MajorApus: yo can from your home dir...
[07:14] <MajorApus> jussi01 security?!?!
[07:14] <dennister> i'm glad edgy is givinig 2.5 versions of azureus...the ones available from edgy repos was hopelessly out of date
[07:14] <MajorApus> jussi01 I own it!?
[07:14] <dennister> oops...feisty is offering v. 2.5
[07:14] <tominglis> "File Sharing is complete crap. I can use Samba with no problems from XP boxes to my Linux machines. The Vista machine sits in a complete void on the network. I can't ping it and it can't ping other non-windows machines. I can't even ftp to another machine on my internal network because VIsta is completely refusing to acknowledge the presence of anything with the exception of media files on another pc. The interesting
[07:14] <tominglis> part of the media files sharing is we never authorized the new windows media player to be installed on the other machine and were quite surprised when we were presented with a prompt on that machine about sharing it's media with this laptop that refuses to network with anything else."
[07:14] <tominglis> :)
[07:14] <jussi01> !paste | tominglis
[07:14] <ubotu> tominglis: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[07:15] <epimeth> tominglis: in vista's defense, I was able to share between two vista machines
[07:15] <epimeth> :-)
[07:15] <MajorApus> is there a way to give konquerer a shell built in like kate does? that would be awesome
[07:15] <jermain_> epimeth: a dumb question: "sudo mount /dev/whatever_the_usb_is /media/my\ book" how do i found out what my usb is?
[07:15] <tominglis> i have been googling for stuff on how to share to it, and it all seems pretty negative :)
[07:15] <dennister> ktorrent is now giving me over 100kbps...never used to get speeds like that with azureus, but then again i had a traffic-shaping isp
[07:15] <tominglis> i still haven't worked out how to ping it
[07:16] <epimeth> jermain_: that is a question for someone more experienced than me
[07:16] <MajorApus> IMO all file sharing has been sub par for years, mostly because windows wont accept that making their own network is pointless
[07:16] <epimeth> lets try:
[07:16] <epimeth> !usb
[07:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about usb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:16] <jermain_> aww,..
[07:16] <jermain_> well thanks for your help sofar anyway ^^
[07:16] <jermain_> I'll keep looking
[07:16] <epimeth> no worries
[07:18] <epimeth> MajorApus: actually, sharing in a windows domain works very, very well...
[07:18] <deviance|away> !ping
[07:18] <ubotu> pong
[07:18] <deviance|away> ok good
[07:18] <epimeth> !pong
[07:18] <ubotu> pong is an old atari game. It's fun!
[07:19] <MajorApus> epimeth: ever use 98 and xp at the same time?
[07:20] <MajorApus> epimeth: I took a year of networking courses, and I still couldn't get it to work reliably at my home, and I'm not idiot, sure that was when I was in highschool, but it was obviously too hard for a novice
[07:20] <epimeth> MajorApus: yes, yes I did...
[07:21] <epimeth> MajorApus: its pointless to try it
[07:21] <MajorApus> pointless, that word sounds familar,... oh yes, its what I used to describe windows networking a minute ago
[07:21] <epimeth> MajorApus: 98 is, and I can't emphasise the next word enough, *not* built for workgroups
[07:21] <MajorApus> epimeth: neither is xp home
[07:22] <MajorApus> you can't even map a network drive in home
[07:22] <epimeth> Windows 3.11 and the NT kernels are the only ones built for it
[07:22] <epimeth> MajorApus: that is very much not true... my personal lappy is running Windows XP home and I've never had a smb problem with it
[07:22] <sdf> my mp3 file don t work
[07:23] <sdf> how can i solve this problem??
[07:23] <epimeth> was even able to grab files from a SMB hosted windows Domain... never tried an AD one tho
[07:24] <epimeth> I have 3 network drives mapped in it... and it instantly recognizes that they are disconnected when a) the host is down or b) the network is down
[07:24] <epimeth> sdf: you need to get the mp3 codecs
[07:24] <epimeth> !codecs | sdf
[07:24] <ubotu> sdf: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:25] <MajorApus> epimeth: smb?
[07:26] <epimeth> s/SMB/Samba ... *blush*
[07:26] <MajorApus> so I actually cant delete any files graphicaly,
[07:26] <MajorApus> so I need to chown the drive?
[07:26] <epimeth> MajorApus: you need to have permissions, mate... thats just how things work :-)
[07:27] <MajorApus> epimeth, yes well, I thought I did, I can RW
[07:27] <MajorApus> I can create new and rename and edit
[07:27] <MajorApus> but not delete?
[07:27] <epimeth> thats odd...
[07:27] <MajorApus> I think its because I dont hace access to the trash
[07:27] <epimeth> can you delete from the command line?
[07:28] <MajorApus> ive posted this message a few times, no one says anything "Could not write to file /mount/data2/.Trash-1000/info/hw2.doc.trashinfo."
[07:28] <MajorApus> yes via command line works
[07:28] <Maruko> hi everybody
[07:28] <tominglis> epimeth: i am just going to use a usb flash drive, thanks for the help dude! :)
[07:29] <epimeth> MajorApus: have you tried deleting instead of 'moving' to the trash bin?
[07:29] <tominglis> thanks everyone! bye bye just now
[07:29] <epimeth> MajorApus: shift+del
[07:29] <Maruko> how can I take small movies of my kubuntu with 3d desktop and all the rest? what package I need to use?
[07:29] <llutz> Maruko: try recordmydesktop
[07:29] <MajorApus> ive been using the delete key itself
[07:29] <Maruko> sudo apt-get recormydesktop?
[07:30] <Maruko> the delete key?
[07:30] <MajorApus> yes shift delete works
[07:30] <Maruko> really?
[07:30] <llutz> MajorApus: "del" doesn't delete ;)
[07:30] <MajorApus> whats it do?
[07:30] <llutz> Maruko: sudo aptitude install ...
[07:30] <MajorApus> fake delete?
[07:30] <Maruko> ok
[07:30] <llutz> MajorApus: moving to trash
[07:30] <MajorApus> I always wanted a button that did that
[07:31] <Maruko> I tried shift and del and it doesen't work...
[07:31] <MajorApus> so shift delete deletes with no "recyling bin" effect
[07:31] <Maruko> +ok
[07:31] <llutz> MajorApus: yes
[07:31] <MajorApus> so what if I want the trash bin  to work?
[07:31] <llutz> MajorApus: sry don't know,i don't use that useless trashbin
[07:32] <Maruko> qhat is the difference between sudo aptitude install and apt-get?
[07:32] <LjL> !aptitude | Maruko
[07:32] <ubotu> Maruko: aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[07:32] <llutz> Maruko: aptitude is a different program for apt-get-actions
[07:32] <LjL> although in Edgy and Feisty, standard APT has a similar feature.
[07:32] <MajorApus> i never used windows reclying bin, except once I needed it, and I accidently delted with UE sentry
[07:32] <MajorApus> which is a program that over writes it multiple times
[07:32] <LjL> Maruko: however, aptitude's still got a load more options than apt-get
[07:33] <MajorApus> ljl doesn't adept do that for me? even if I apt-get
[07:33] <LjL> MajorApus: what?
[07:33] <Hehh> hmm, anyone here succesfully install feisty?
[07:33] <LjL> no
[07:33] <Etokura> I have
[07:33] <fdoving> Hehh: yes, i have.
[07:33] <FireTalon> I have as well
[07:34] <Hehh> Ive been breaking my head on it so far
[07:34] <Hehh> getting all kinds of IDE/ATA related problems when booting from HD
[07:34] <Hehh> (livecd boots ok)
[07:34] <Maruko> hey
[07:34] <Hehh> 6.10 used to work ok (wiped it and did a clean install)
[07:35] <Maruko> how does recordmydesktop works?
[07:36] <Maruko> it doesen' record anything here!
[07:36] <MajorApus> LjL: what you said makes me think using apt-get doesn't add the program to whatever database it needs to to be automatically updated
[07:36] <llutz> Maruko: try reading it's man-page or use gui: gtk-recordmydesktop
[07:36] <MajorApus> but I thought it did
[07:36] <LjL> MajorApus, err, i did say that - since Edgy - that feature is also present in standard APT.
[07:38] <Etokura> What does recordmydesktop do? Does it just record your session?
[07:38] <MajorApus> LjL: so my apt-get stuff should update?
[07:38] <MajorApus> (feisty)
[07:38] <LjL> MajorApus, update to *what*?
[07:39] <MajorApus> LjL: with autoupdates
[07:39] <sdf_> and fy
[07:39] <LjL> MajorApus: look, the thing is: aptitude has its own auto-installed-dependencies-tracking. APT (since edgy) has its own, so no matter whether you use Adept or Synaptic or apt-get, the database is the same, and you can always do "apt-get autoremve". aptitude, on the other hand, uses its own DB, and i'm not sure they're synced
[07:39] <LjL> i don't know what autoupdates have to do with this
[07:40] <jjk> f
[07:41] <ivan_> Hi everybody, any news on the hdparm problem with 7.04?
[07:41] <Etokura> Hdparm?
[07:41] <Hehh> whats the hdparm problem?
[07:41] <arnau> sound
[07:42] <ivan_> basicly, all hda disks became sda disks and now hdparm give this :  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
[07:42] <llutz> ivan_: try sdparm
[07:42] <ivan_> hm...
[07:42] <ivan_> just did a quick search through man sdparm, no occurences of dma anywhere...
[07:43] <ivan_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=415057 - more info
[07:43] <ivan_> it seems to be happening to a heck of a lot of people
[07:43] <ivan_> tried a lot of work arounds...
[07:43] <ivan_> tried adding hwprobe=-modules.pata to the kernel boot line, no help of that
[07:44] <Hehh> heh, more hd problems eh
[07:44] <Hehh> I think I need to give up on feisty for now
[07:44] <ivan_> some more on this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=400356
[07:45] <ivan_> me too. thinking of going back to arch for some time..
[07:45] <Etokura> My motherboard failed the other day
[07:45] <Etokura> Spontaneously
[07:45] <jthomas> !automatix
[07:45] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a proprietary script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[07:46] <abe> !es
[07:46] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[07:46] <ivan_> so i understand nobody as an answer for this.. right?
[07:47] <sdf_> when i open adebt i had this message:
[07:47] <sdf_> apt database coult not be open
[07:47] <sdf_> this may caused be incorrect apt configuratiuon
[07:48] <fdoving> !adept fix | sdf_
[07:48] <ubotu> sdf_: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[07:49] <terrestre> fixkopete!
[07:49] <terrestre> fixadept!
[07:49] <terrestre> !adeptfix
[07:49] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[07:49] <terrestre> kopetefix!
[07:49] <terrestre> !kopetefix
[07:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kopetefix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:49] <terrestre> !en
[07:49] <ubotu> The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[07:51] <sdf_> ubotu:then???
[07:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about then??? - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:52] <sdf_> please
[07:52] <sdf_> you said write command in terminal
[07:52] <sdf_> i do
[07:52] <hdxx> sdf: ubotu is bot
[07:52] <sdf_> then what do i do please?
[07:53] <nial> Does anyone know how to get network to work in VirtualBox Xp install?
[07:54] <llutz> nial: it's described in the documentation, various options (nat, bridge tun/tap...)
[07:54] <nial> OK..... don't think I installd the Docs...... I will do so now.
[07:54] <sdf_> can any one help me?
[07:55] <nial> llutz: Thanks
[07:55] <sdf_> apt database couldn t be opend???
[07:55] <sdf_> what do i do???
[07:57] <sdf_> when i write any comman in terminal..........command not found
[07:57] <sdf_> what do i do?
[07:58] <FireTalon> what comman are you writing?
[07:58] <sdf_> apt -setup
[07:58] <sdf_> apt -get update
[07:59] <llutz> sdf_: typem right, it'll work
[07:59] <llutz> sdf_: apt-get (without space)
[07:59] <sdf_> the same
[07:59] <sdf_> same
[08:00] <trotek> i'm getting this error: "/var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process" during a dpkg --configure -a. does anyone know which lock file i have to kill to avoid that error?
[08:00] <fdoving> trotek: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/cache/debconf/config.dat'
[08:00] <trotek> thanks :)
[08:01] <sdf_> fdoving:help me please
[08:01] <fdoving> sdf_: ok. can you explain on one line what is your problem?
[08:02] <GrahamA> Hey people, Could anybody here do me a huge favour and is good making logos and images?
[08:03] <TheCreationist> Has Feisty provided any updates to fix the hardware bugs yet?  How would I check that?
[08:03] <sdf_> when i open adebt       appear   apt database could not be open this may be caused by incorrect apt configuration  try running apt-setup and apt-get update and i do this commans in terminal and appear comman not found
[08:03] <sdf_> what do i do?
[08:04] <sdf_> command*
[08:04] <TheCreationist> sdf_: Did you uninstall apt-get?
[08:04] <sdf_> no
[08:04] <fdoving> sdf_: what does 'ls -l /usr/bin/apt-get' say? - in the terminal.
[08:04] <TheCreationist> But when you run apt-get in the terminal, it says "comman not found?"
[08:04] <FireTalon> comman
[08:04] <FireTalon> rofl
[08:05] <FireTalon> comman the linuxbarian
[08:05] <TheCreationist> FireTalon: lol that was actually a typo on my part... not me mocking HIS typo ;)
[08:05] <FireTalon> haha
[08:05] <sdf_> fdoving:-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 129332 2006-04-18 21:47 /usr/bin/apt-get
[08:05] <fdoving> sdf_: apt-get is there. so '/usr/bin/apt-get update' should work.
[08:06] <sdf_> fdoving:what do you mean?
[08:06] <fdoving> sdf_: '/usr/bin/apt-get' should work.
[08:07] <TeleSkier> I can't get my webcam to work in Feisty. I remember having some problems with Edgy and solving them easily, but almost forgot anything about it...
[08:07] <borsten> hi, ive installed on feisty mysql and everythin, i need for it, but i always get error 2002, cant connect to lochalhost
[08:07] <TeleSkier> the necessary driver is loaded
[08:07] <sdf_> fdoving:what do i do?
[08:07] <sdf_> fdoving:adebt no open
[08:08] <fdoving> borsten: chekc that your localhost interface is up ('ifup lo && ifconfig lo')
[08:08] <fdoving> !adept fix | sdf_
[08:08] <ubotu> sdf_: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[08:08] <hdxx> hello, which program is cool for translate packages?
[08:09] <fdoving> hdxx: kbabel.
[08:09] <hdxx> tnx
[08:09] <borsten> fdoving: ping for localhost is ok, so no connection error this way
[08:09] <fdoving> hdxx: that is if you go work with upstream (http://i18n.kde.org)
[08:09] <fdoving> hdxx: http://i18n.kde.org/docs/translation-howto/
[08:09] <hdxx> fdoving: tnx
[08:09] <TeleSkier> lsmod says that everything i should need to run my webcam is there, lsusb sees it, but i can't have it working (also tried as root in case something was wrong with permissions)
[08:10] <TeleSkier> what else should i check?
[08:10] <fdoving> borsten: ok, so you're trying to connect to localhost at tcp port 3306 right? the server might be setup for using sockets.
[08:10] <sdf_> ubotu:don tchange any thing
[08:11] <fdoving> !webcam | teleskier
[08:11] <ubotu> teleskier: Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[08:11] <fdoving> bbl.
[08:11] <sdf_> same
[08:11] <borsten> fdoving: right, what shall i change then
[08:11] <sdf_> don t change any thing
[08:11] <TeleSkier> thanks fdoving
[08:11] <sdf_> fdoving:help
[08:11] <TeleSkier> !webcam
[08:11] <fdoving> borsten: check my.cnf - might give you some clues.
[08:11] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[08:12] <fdoving> sdf_: i need to leave. have a meeting in 5 min. sorry.
[08:13] <borsten> fdoving: hm, and what are better sockets or ports?
[08:13] <sdf_> how can i be root in terminal?
[08:13] <sdf_> to can i install any programms
[08:14] <jermain_> yay i mounted my hdd! :
[08:14] <borsten> sdf_: use sudo
[08:14] <jermain_> :)
[08:14] <borsten> sdf_: sudo apt-get [program] 
[08:14] <borsten> sorry
[08:14] <jermain_> sdf_: if you want to be and stay root you can do sudo su
[08:14] <borsten> sdf_: sudo apt-get install [program] 
[08:15] <jermain_> wth
[08:15] <jermain_> borsten
[08:15] <sdf_> i want install apt
[08:15] <jermain_> do you known how i can chown my hdd?
[08:15] <jermain_> its root acces only
[08:15] <jermain_> ><
[08:16] <imagine> o.O
[08:16] <Lynoure> jermain_: remounting rw is probably the thing.
[08:16] <Lynoure> jermain_: (just a guess)
[08:16] <jermain_> cim pretty newb
[08:16] <jermain_> how do i do that?
[08:16] <sdf_> there is on update package
[08:17] <sdf_> how can i install it
[08:17] <Lynoure> jermain_: Wait a min, I'll look up a tutorial for you.
[08:17] <jermain_> ty :)
[08:17] <sdf_> my adept don t open
[08:17] <jermain_> I'll be waiting patiently
[08:17] <jermain_> sdf_ close bash
[08:17] <borsten> jemain: yes?
[08:17] <jermain_> then try again
[08:17] <jermain_> borsten nvm Lynoure is allready helping me :)
[08:17] <jermain_> i dont want to impose ^^
[08:18] <borsten> ok
[08:18] <jermain_> btw are you dutch?
[08:18] <jermain_> because borsten in dutch = breats
[08:18] <jermain_> *breasts
[08:18] <jermain_> :p
[08:18] <borsten> sdf-: try sudo apt-get install adept
[08:19] <borsten> lol
[08:19] <borsten> jermain: it comes from thorsten, just a nic
[08:19] <Lynoure> borsten: go ahead, if you want to, I am not supposed to do support... :/
[08:19] <jermain_> :)
[08:20] <borsten> Lynoure: im not supposed either
[08:20] <sdf_> borsten:i had E: Type 'wget' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:20] <Lynoure> borsten: :)
[08:20] <sdf_> and E: The list of sources could not be read.
[08:20] <jermain_> im gonna try and chown the mount folder :o
[08:20] <jermain_> ls
[08:21] <sdf_> why do any one want help me?
[08:21] <llutz> jermain_: what filesystem is on your hdd/partition?
[08:21] <jermain_> i have no idea
[08:21] <jermain_> its mounted and i have acces
[08:21] <jermain_> i can do anything on it from bash
[08:21] <borsten> sdf_: try to edit /etc/apt/sources.linst with nano or something like this
[08:21] <jermain_> but on the gui
[08:21] <llutz> jermain_: "mount" tells you
[08:22] <jermain_> i have read only acces
[08:22] <slow-motion> hallo
[08:22] <jermain_> oh
[08:22] <jermain_> asd1
[08:22] <jermain_> sda1 i mean
[08:22] <sdf_> borsten:i don tknow what do i do please tell me by commands gradually
[08:22] <sdf_> please
[08:22] <borsten> sdf_:or simply use "kdesu konqueror"
[08:23] <llutz> jermain_: what filesystem
[08:23] <borsten> then go into the root directory
[08:23] <jermain_> im noob sorry -.- how do i found out what filesystem it is,..
[08:23] <weswh-> what's an appropriate channel for general hardware questions?
[08:23] <llutz> jermain_: the second last item on the row containing sda1
[08:24] <jermain_> oh
[08:24] <sdf_> borsten :firstly in terminal  what do i do?
[08:24] <deviance> Weswh- wats the problem?
[08:24] <sdf_> what do i write?
[08:24] <jermain_> dev
[08:24] <borsten> sdf_: "kdesu konqueror"
[08:24] <borsten> got it?
[08:25] <jermain_> i did "mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/hdd"
[08:25] <llutz> jermain_: last item before those in brackets ;9
[08:25] <sdf_>  i had X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
[08:25] <sdf_> Failed to open device
[08:25] <sdf_> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
[08:25] <sdf_> Failed to open device
[08:26] <sdf_> borsten:what do i do?
[08:26] <jermain_> ack
[08:26] <hatekilldestroy> !ntfs
[08:26] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[08:26] <jermain_> i see it
[08:26] <llutz> jermain_: or just paste the output of "mount" to !paste
[08:26] <llutz> !paste
[08:26] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[08:26] <jermain_> type vfat
[08:26] <borsten> sdf_: are you on a kde-dektop?
[08:26] <llutz> jermain_: chmod won't work with vfat, "sudo mount -o remount,umask=000 /mnd/hdd"
[08:26] <llutz> jermain_: chmod won't work with vfat, "sudo mount -o remount,umask=000 /mnt/hdd"
[08:26] <hatekilldestroy> !ntfs-3g
[08:26] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[08:27] <jermain_> o.O
[08:27] <jermain_> ill do it right now
[08:27] <deviance> Whats the default file type of linux harddrives under kubuntu
[08:27] <sdf_> borsten:i don tknow
[08:27] <deviance> !partiton] 
[08:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about partiton]  - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:27] <jermain_> llutz: [mntent] : warning: no final newline at the end of /etc/fstab
[08:27] <deviance> !partion
[08:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about partion - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:27] <borsten> sdf_: do you see a gui?
[08:27] <deviance> !partition
[08:28] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[08:28] <sdf_> borsten:no i m in kde desktop
[08:28] <llutz> jermain_:" sudo echo -e \n >>/etc/fstab"
[08:28] <llutz> jermain_: carefull, >> is important!
[08:29] <borsten> sdf_: ok, what happens, when you type "sudo konqueror"
[08:29] <jermain_> :o
[08:29] <jermain_> i did it
[08:29] <murali> hello everyone.i'm a newbie and i'm getting some error message when i try to use either apt-get or dpkg
[08:29] <jermain_> what did i just do btw?
[08:29] <jermain_> it didnt give output
[08:29] <sdf_> borsten:you mean kdesu konqueror??
[08:30] <llutz> jermain_: you added a newline to fstab :)
[08:30] <gdiebel> !paste | murali
[08:30] <ubotu> murali: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[08:30] <jermain_> :)
[08:30] <borsten> sdf_: nope, "sudo"
[08:30] <jermain_> so now i do the previous command again then
[08:30] <jermain_> ^^
[08:30] <llutz> jermain_: yep
[08:31] <jermain_> line 9 in /etc/fstab is bad
[08:31] <borsten> sdf_: soory, need to go, maybe some other an help you
[08:31] <jermain_> :(
[08:31] <llutz> jermain_: paste /etc/fstab to !paste plz
[08:31] <llutz> !paste
[08:31] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[08:31] <sdf_> borsten:anyway thank you
[08:32] <borsten> sdf_: ive tried... ;-)
[08:32] <borsten> bye
[08:32] <sdf_> thank you
[08:32] <sdf_> bye
[08:32] <jermain_> llutz you lost me there
[08:32] <jermain_> is that a command or do you want me to paste something in chat?
[08:32] <murali> gdiebel: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17995/
[08:32] <sdf_> any one help
[08:32] <sdf_> ??
[08:33] <llutz> jermain_: open a console, type "cat /etc/fstab" and use the mouse to paste the output in that url (opened in your brwoser)
[08:33] <sdf_> llutz:can you help me?
[08:33] <llutz>  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[08:33] <llutz> sdf_: i don't think so
[08:34] <sdf_> llutz:why?
[08:34] <hatekilldestroy> anybody know why amarok just fades to grey when i update a track name?
[08:34] <jermain_> i hope i wont flood:
[08:34] <llutz> jermain_: not here!
[08:34] <jermain_> # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
[08:34] <jermain_> #
[08:34] <jermain_> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[08:34] <sdf_> jermain:can you help me?
[08:34] <jermain_> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[08:34] <jermain_> # /dev/hdc1
[08:34] <jermain_> UUID=1b2a68e9-7c70-4e69-b620-3339c52d333c /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[08:34] <jermain_> # /dev/hdc5
[08:34] <jermain_> UUID=d8067275-1e89-46f7-a7c7-49987f5273c1 none            swap    sw              0       0
[08:34] <jermain_> /dev/cdrom        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0n
[08:34] <jermain_> oh
[08:34] <jermain_> :)
[08:34] <jermain_> phew
[08:34] <jermain_> what is it that you want to do?
[08:35] <llutz> jermain_: open http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[08:35] <murali> gdiebel:http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17998/
[08:35] <jermain_> k
[08:35] <llutz> jermain_: paste it there and give the link back here
[08:35] <jermain_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17999/
[08:36] <jermain_> sdf
[08:36] <jermain_> oops
[08:36] <llutz> jermain_: ops, my fault....
[08:36] <llutz> jermain_: sudo nano /etc/fstab
[08:36] <murali> jermain_: can u plz help me with my prob?? i've a prob with aptitude n dpkg..http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17998/
[08:36] <sdf_> jermain: when i open adebt       appear   apt database could not be open this may be caused by incorrect apt configuration  try running apt-setup and apt-get update and i do this commans in terminal and appear comman not foun
[08:37] <llutz> jermain_: delete the "n" in the last line and add a  linefeed (press enter) there, save and exit
[08:37] <llutz> jermain_: command should have been "echo -e "\n" ...., sry
[08:37] <murali> llutz:can u plz help me with my prob?? i've a prob with aptitude n dpkg..http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17998/
[08:37] <sdf_> jermain: can you help me?
[08:37] <jermain_> k llutz 1 sec
[08:38] <llutz> murali: no idea
[08:38] <canen> hello
[08:38] <sdf_> can any one help??
[08:38] <sdf_> please i need help
[08:38] <canen> where can i find instructions for upgrading to feisty using the command line?
[08:39] <canen> sdf_: ?
[08:39] <jermain_> ugh,..
[08:39] <jermain_> i cant see the line i was supposed to have had
[08:39] <jermain_> added
[08:39] <llutz> jermain_: an empty line is hard to see .)
[08:39] <jermain_> o.O
[08:40] <sdf_> canen:  when i open adebt       appear   apt database could not be open this may be caused by incorrect apt configuration  try running apt-setup and apt-get update and i do this commans in terminal and appear comman not foun
[08:40] <llutz> jermain_: last line ends with "0n", change in into "0" and press <enter> after that
[08:40] <jermain_> lol lets call it quits, i'll just move my files from roo in bash
[08:40] <sdf_> canen: can you help me?
[08:40] <jermain_> :) sdf_ looks really desperate :/
[08:40] <jermain_> k
[08:41] <sdf_> jermain: what do you mean?
[08:41] <canen> sdf_: what command did you run?
[08:41] <jermain_> oh nvm canen is helping him
[08:41] <jermain_> luutz
[08:41] <jermain_> i cant delete the 'n'
[08:41] <eXistenz> what is a good ps viewer in Kubuntu?
[08:41] <llutz> jermain_: why not?
[08:41] <jermain_> backspace or del wont remove it
[08:41] <jermain_> wait nvm -.-
[08:41] <zerak> What is the command and recommended way to add oneself to a group ? (instead of editing /etc/group )
[08:42] <jermain_> i should open it in cate
[08:42] <sdf_> canen: when i open the adept appear the last message?
[08:42] <jermain_> not konquerer
[08:42] <canen> eXistenz: kpdf
[08:42] <llutz> zerak: adduser user group
[08:42] <zerak> thank you
[08:42] <gdiebel> murali: Put this in /etc/apt/apt.conf and the problem goes away, at least it did for me today: APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;
[08:42] <jermain_> >< argh
[08:42] <canen> sdf_: did you run apt-setup?
[08:42] <jermain_> i removed the n
[08:42] <jermain_> but cant save
[08:43] <llutz> jermain_: sudo nano....
[08:43] <llutz> jermain_: you missed sudo i think
[08:43] <jermain_> i did sudo su ealier
[08:43] <sdf_> conen:ya and appear command not found
[08:43] <sdf_> conen:what do i do?
[08:43] <jermain_> oic
[08:43] <jermain_> ,..
[08:43] <jermain_> i opened an editor in bash
[08:44] <jermain_> the n is gone
[08:44] <llutz> jermain_: and fstab saved?
[08:44] <jermain_> nope
[08:44] <jermain_> how do i save and exit?
[08:44] <llutz> jermain_: ctrl-x
[08:45] <jermain_> done and hit 'y' afterwards
[08:45] <canen> sdf_: if you run 'sudo apt-get update' what happens?
[08:46] <loco_aullador_> hello
[08:46] <sdf_> conen: i had E: Type 'wget' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:47] <jermain_> llutz im still in gnu nano, whats my next move?
[08:47] <jermain_> :)
[08:47] <loco_aullador_> i want to install the ati drivers but i have some troubles with it, i've heard about a utility called envy that installs the ati driver is it true?
[08:47] <canen> sdf_: paste your sources.list here http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[08:47] <llutz> jermain_: still in nano? leave it, remount
[08:47] <sdf_> canen:what is the source do you mean?>?
[08:48] <llutz> jermain_: try again "sudo mount -o remount,umask=000 /mnt/hdd"
[08:48] <baldie> hey... I've been using ubuntu for a bit time, but now I installed Kubuntu here on my laptop, just now. I can't open the add/remove programs or the adept package manager, or the 'updates available', because it says that another instance of the package manager is already open.. but it isnt!!
[08:48] <canen> sdf_: copy the contents of the file and paste it. you can use kwrite to open it.
[08:48] <canen> sdf_: kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list from the command line
[08:49] <MementoMori> hi all.......
[08:49] <Etokura> Hi
[08:49] <MementoMori> what's the shortcut to show/hide konqueror menu?
[08:49] <gdiebel> MementoMori: ctrl+m
[08:50] <MementoMori> gdiebel: thank you very much
[08:50] <sdf_> canen: i don t understand what do you mean?
[08:50] <jermain_> -.- thank you very much for your patience llutz, but i think this isnt gonna work. I'll just move the files without using the gui ^^
[08:50] <canen> sdf_: ok
[08:51] <sdf_> canen: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18000/
[08:51] <m_tadeu> hi everyone
[08:51] <baldie> can anyone help me fix my package managers?
[08:51] <sdf_> canen :that is my result
[08:51] <m_tadeu> I can't find the development package for dbus...which package is it?
[08:52] <sdf_> canen: do you know my problem and can you help me please?
[08:52] <canen> sdf_: do this from the command line "kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list" and copy the contents of that file so I can see it.
[08:53] <gdiebel> m_tadeu: libdbus-1-dev
[08:53] <canen> sdf_: your sources.list file is misconfigured but i need to see it to tell you what to fix. from the error the first line is wrong but there could be more
[08:53] <sdf_> canen: i had bash: kwrite/etc/apt/sources.list: No such file or directory
[08:53] <m_tadeu> gdiebel: thanx :)
[08:54] <canen> sdf_: missing space between kwrite and filename
[08:54] <canen> sdf_: should be kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:54] <kubuntu_tester> hello folks
[08:55] <kubuntu_tester> I have installed kubuntu 7.04
[08:55] <sdf_> canen : i do that
[08:56] <kubuntu_tester> first question: why during boot phase there is a duplicate entry (Reiser suprt block...bla...bla...bla)?
[08:56] <sdf_> canen: and i get the file :sources.list
[08:56] <sdf_> canen: then what do i do?
[08:57] <canen> sdf_: copy and paste the contents here http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[08:57] <kubuntu_tester> second question: how can I disable NetworkManagerDispatcher?
[08:57] <kubuntu_tester> and last: how can I control output format during boot?
[08:57] <kubuntu_tester> it's weird
[08:58] <kubuntu_tester> I dont like usplash
[08:58] <sdf_> canen:http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18004/
[08:58] <Ash-Fox> kubuntu_tester, you can turn it off.
[08:58] <sdf_> canen : this is the link
[08:58] <Yorokobi> kubuntu_tester, as for the last question: you can remove the quiet and splash options from /boot/grub/menu.lst and rerun 'sudo update-grub'
[08:58] <alexicon> out of curiosity anyone here use zoneedit??
[08:59] <Yorokobi> that'll remove usplash from boot
[08:59] <Ash-Fox> alexicon, no, I use xname.
[08:59] <kubuntu_tester> Yorokobi: I done it, but the format of messages are weird
[08:59] <kubuntu_tester> not the usplash it-self
[08:59] <Yorokobi> kubuntu_tester, are you referring to the kernel messages and init messages?
[08:59] <alexicon> Ash-Fox: xname, they use dynamic dns for your own domain?
[08:59] <kubuntu_tester> yes
[08:59] <alexicon> ah
[08:59] <canen> sdf_: the first line is wrong but all your repositories are commented out anyway
[09:00] <alexicon> ty Ash-Fox this looks good
[09:00] <Yorokobi> kubuntu_tester, you can't do anything about it ... unless you're referring to bad CR/LF's
[09:00] <kubuntu_tester> what it means CR/LF's?
[09:00] <kubuntu_tester> *does
[09:00] <canen> sdf_: remove the first line
[09:00] <Ash-Fox> alexicon, I make a suggestion. Use a dyndns service with xname, and get use a cname record to point to your dyndns addy
[09:00] <Yorokobi> Carriage Return / Line Feeds
[09:00] <kubuntu_tester> oh okay
[09:01] <alexicon> i'll give that a try, cheers Ash-Fox
[09:01] <kubuntu_tester> Yorokobi: then I cant do anything...
[09:01] <kubuntu_tester> :(
[09:01] <canen> sdf_: also uncomment the lines beginning with deb or deb-src
[09:01] <sdf_> conen:the first line from "sources.list???
[09:01] <Yorokobi> heh, you can re-enable usplash :)
[09:01] <kubuntu_tester> Yorokobi: lol
[09:02] <aaroncampbell> I'm on Kubuntu Feisty, and I can't seem to print from Eclipse (I think it doesn't see any printers)...and I get the same problem with Zend Studio (another Java app).  I *can* print from other applications, like Firefox and Thunderbird.
[09:02] <Ash-Fox> sdf_, don't uncomment the lines that have the word 'backports' in them.
[09:02] <baldie> hey.. my newly installed kubuntu keeps telling me that the package manager database is being used by another app.. i've tried to reboot....
[09:02] <loco_aullador_> hello i want to install the ati drivers but i have some troubles with it, i've heard about a utility called envy that installs the ati driver is it true?
[09:02] <Yorokobi> !adeptfix | baldie
[09:02] <ubotu> baldie: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[09:03] <canen> sdf_: yeah and also what Ash-Fox said
[09:03] <baldie> uhm.. ok cool
[09:03] <Ash-Fox> !ati | loco_aullador_
[09:03] <ubotu> loco_aullador_: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:03] <Contrast> I'm trying to write a script that will automatically install a large number of packages from various third party repositories on a freshly installed system, but I keep getting error messages about unmet dependencies when I try to run it (even though everything I'm trying to install is properly installed on a different system). Would someone mind having a look at it and seeing if they can spot anything that could be causing
[09:03] <Contrast> this? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18005/
[09:03] <sdf_> canen: the first line must be removed right?
[09:03] <canen> sdf_: yes
[09:04] <sdf_> canen: please tell me the next line that must be remove?
[09:04] <sdf_> canen:please the number of line
[09:04] <Ash-Fox> Contrast, it would help to see the error you're getting at which step
[09:04] <Yorokobi> Contrast, add the depended-upon packages to your install script
[09:05] <loco_aullador_> ubotu thanx
[09:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about thanx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:05] <baldie> cool thx... it worked ubotu
[09:05] <canen> sdf_:  the file should look like this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18008/
[09:05] <Yorokobi> !bot | baldie
[09:05] <ubotu> baldie: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[09:05] <Yorokobi> :)
[09:05] <Contrast> AshFox, one sec...
[09:05] <baldie> i have aanother Q though.. my package managers keeps telling me to insert the feisty CD... how do I disable that?
[09:05] <canen> sdf_: i am curious to know; how did the file get like this?
[09:06] <Yorokobi> baldie, remove the CDROM entry from your sources.list
[09:06] <Yorokobi> 'kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list'
[09:06] <Ash-Fox> Contrast, also, what are you installing with automatix? java, flash, mp3, wmv support etc. can all be installed with just the ubuntu-restricted-extras package.
[09:06] <sdf_> canen : what do you mean?
[09:06] <baldie> kk thx
[09:06] <canen> sdf_: what were doing when you got the errors?
[09:07] <sdf_> canen: i add link ro repositories and i wasn t know what didn t i make ?
[09:07] <canen> sdf_: does apt-get update work now?
[09:08] <sdf_> ya
[09:08] <sdf_> canen and i have update but don t open
[09:08] <Contrast> Ash-Fox: GoogleEarth and Picasa, among a few others.
[09:08] <canen> sdf_: what doesn't open?
[09:08] <sdf_> canen:adept
[09:09] <Ash-Fox> Contrast, okay =)
[09:09] <sdf_> canen: i remove the first line then?
[09:09] <Contrast> Ash-Fox: I'm running the script again now. Once it finishes I'll paste the output.
[09:09] <sdf_> canen: i  can t understand any thing from source.list file?
[09:09] <canen> sdf_: copy the contents of the file in the link i gave you. that should be correct
[09:10] <kubuntu_tester> Yorokobi: why during boot I have this message (twice) "Reiser super block..."
[09:10] <kubuntu_tester> ?
[09:10] <Ash-Fox> Contrast, by the way, you might be interested in apt-proxy, so you don't have to redownload packages over and over on your test machine.
[09:10] <sdf_> canen: i do and give you the link
[09:10] <freakabcd> hi all
[09:10] <Yorokobi> kubuntu_tester, did you format your partitions as ReiserFS?
[09:10] <freakabcd> is k3b on feisty messed uo?
[09:10] <Contrast> Ash-Fox: Thanks, I'll keep that in mind.
[09:10] <kubuntu_tester> Yorokobi: yes
 canen:http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18004/
[09:11] <Yorokobi> kubuntu_tester, there you go then.
[09:11] <freakabcd> i load up k3b, insert a blank dvd. it shows 'blank disc inserted capacity 4.4G' on the top
[09:11] <freakabcd> then i click on 'New data dvd' and add files.
[09:11] <canen> sdf_: no. replace the contents of your sources.list with this file http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18008/
[09:11] <freakabcd> finally i click burn.
[09:11] <kubuntu_tester> oh okay
[09:11] <freakabcd> then in the resulting dialog i CANNOT click 'burn'
[09:12] <freakabcd> as it is disabled and it says 'insert blank dvd'
[09:12] <freakabcd> what the heck is going on?
[09:12] <kubuntu_tester> Yorokobi: ??
[09:12] <sdf_> canen: then do save???
[09:12] <Yorokobi> kubuntu_tester, you rang?
[09:13] <rohan> hi .. kubuntu feisty does not have the migration assistant enabled ?
[09:13] <kubuntu_tester> Yorokobi: yes, go where?
[09:13] <canen> sdf_: yes but you must open the file with sudo. "sudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list"
[09:13] <Contrast> Yorokobi: When the script is trying to install package x, for example, it says, "package x depends on package y but package y is not going to be installed." Could just adding package y to the script still be the fix? Also, I thought apt-get was supposed to automatically install all dependencies?
[09:13] <baldie> uhm... i'm trying to mount a fat32 drive, but it aint easy... i typed sudo mount -t vfat -o umask=0000 /dev/sda6 /home/baldie/win but it gives me an error msg... already mount or /home/baldie/win busy... but if I write "mount" i dont see /dev/sda6
[09:13] <Ash-Fox> rohan, it doesn't come with one.
[09:13] <rohan> Ash-Fox: err.. the installer
[09:13] <freakabcd> and on the console i can see message: 'insert blank dvd'
[09:13] <sdf_> canen: before i close it?
[09:14] <darryl> I have a Canon CFX-L3500 Printer - I am trying to get it working with Kubuntu - anyone know of a Driver I can use for it?
[09:14] <freakabcd> how can this dialog not know there IS a blank inserted while the rest of k3b knows there is a blank inside??
[09:14] <Yorokobi> Contrast, I would add package y to the apt-get line(s) (as necessary) ... historically, apt-get hasn't fixed dependencies
[09:14] <terrestre> freakabcd: do you test another dvd?
[09:14] <Ash-Fox> rohan, ubiquity ?
[09:15] <freakabcd> (K3bDevice::Device) /dev/scd0: GET CONFIGURATION length det failed.
[09:15] <Ash-Fox> !ubiquity
[09:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubiquity - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:15] <canen> sdf_: if you have the file open, close it then open it with sudo and replace the contents, then save.
[09:15] <rohan> Ash-Fox: yes, ubiquity
[09:15] <freakabcd> thats the message i see on console when the burn diualog is invoked
[09:15] <canen> sdf_: then try apt-get update
[09:15] <rohan> it did not enable migration assistant for kubuntu install
[09:15] <Ash-Fox> rohan, there isn't one as far as I know for Kubuntu.
[09:16] <Contrast> Yorokobi: Ok, thanks. I'll try that if worse comes to worse. I'm holding that as a last resort though, as that's going to be an extremely large number of dependencies to add to the script.
[09:16] <freakabcd> terrestre, err.. you mean to say k3b *detecting* a blank dvd disc and saying the size is 4.4G and saying what speeds it supports is a *by chancve* event?
[09:16] <rohan> Ash-Fox: well, kubuntu just creates a Qt wrapper around ubiquity ..
[09:16] <freakabcd> and my dvd is the one that is crap
[09:16] <freakabcd> ?
[09:16] <Ash-Fox> rohan, yes and the migration manager is for migrating to Gnome applications...
[09:16] <rohan> ah, i see, Ash-Fox
[09:16] <terrestre> freakabcd: do you test another?
[09:16] <Yorokobi> Contrast, aptitude may fix dependencies on the fly ... I don't use it so I can't say for certain but its worth looking in to.
[09:16] <freakabcd> another what?
[09:17] <terrestre> dvd
[09:17] <freakabcd> i have only this brand of blanks.
[09:17] <freakabcd> you want me to buy another brand of blanks?
[09:17] <freakabcd> and how is it that k3b detects and even gets the speeds right?
[09:17] <freakabcd> but when it goes to burn, there is 'no dvd'  :(
[09:18] <Contrast> Yorokobi: I'll keep that in mind. Thanks a lot.
[09:18] <Yorokobi> Contrast, np
[09:19] <kubuntu_tester> Yorokobi: I cant create a link to an hard-disk (mounted) on my desktop
[09:19] <netshare> hi there everybody. how can I share internet connection on a 6.10 kubuntu machine, for a laptop with Win XP on it?
[09:19] <terrestre> whats mean brand? jajaja
[09:19] <baldie> uhm... i'm trying to mount a fat32 drive, but it aint easy... i typed sudo mount -t vfat -o umask=0000 /dev/sda6 /home/baldie/win but it gives me an error msg... already mount or /home/baldie/win busy... but if I write "mount" i dont see /dev/sda6
[09:19] <kubuntu_tester> this is the message: "The reported error was: mount: according to mtab, /dev/sda1 is already mounted on /media/sda1 mount failed"
[09:20] <freakabcd> terrestre, i mean the company that made the blanks
[09:20] <sdf_> canen: are you here??
[09:20] <freakabcd> i have lg 8x dvd-r blanks
[09:20] <canen> sdf_: yes
[09:20] <freakabcd> and i have been using these happily with edgy before
[09:20] <sdf_> canen:thank you very very much you are very polit man
[09:20] <darryl> I have a Canon CFX-L3500 Printer - I am trying to get it working with Kubuntu - anyone know of a Driver I can use for it?
[09:20] <canen> sdf_: no problem
[09:20] <terrestre> freakabcd: aaah, my question was if you just tray with one dvd o pur anohter of that, its just a posibility
[09:21] <sdf_>  canen:can you learn me linux"kubuntu"?
[09:21] <sdf_> canen: it s the first time to use linux
[09:21] <freakabcd> terrestre, i've tried putting in 3 blanks so far.
[09:21] <freakabcd> you recommend me trying the rest of the 10 or so i have?
[09:21] <terrestre> freakabcd: no
[09:21] <canen> sdf_: oh.
[09:21] <freakabcd> even if you do so, i will NOT do it
[09:21] <freakabcd> :p
[09:21] <Etokura> darryl, do you have the software that came with the printer?/
[09:21] <freakabcd> seriously thi sis pissing me off
[09:22] <canen> sdf_: http://kubuntu.org/documentation.php that will do it better than i ever can
[09:22] <darryl> Etokura: yes but its for WinDOZE only
[09:22] <jthomas> darryl: install foomatic-db-something, its got a ton of print drivers that'll appear in your KDE Add Printer once its been installed (I forget the exact name, look in Adept)
[09:22] <Etokura> You can try using it with wine
[09:22] <Etokura> sudo apt-get install wine
[09:22] <Etokura> It may run
[09:22] <darryl> Etokura: I would rather had a driver
[09:22] <darryl> even a compatible one
[09:22] <jthomas> darryl: install foomatic-db-something, its got a ton of print drivers that'll appear in your KDE Add Printer once its been installed (I forget the exact name, look in Adept)
[09:23] <LeeJunFan> freakabcd: got here late - your having problems burning DVD's?
[09:23] <freakabcd> terrestre, you know where k3b stores settings etc ?
[09:23] <freakabcd> LeeJunFan, indeed
[09:23] <netshare> hi there everybody. how can I share internet connection on a 6.10 kubuntu machine, for a laptop with Win XP on it?
[09:23] <darryl> jthomas: im looking that up now
[09:23] <sdf_> canen: what are the repositories???
[09:23] <freakabcd> and its really weird :(
[09:23] <canen> sdf_: this should also be good https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu
[09:23] <Contrast> Ash-Fox: Here's the output of the script. FYI, it's quite long. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18009/
[09:23] <terrestre> freakabcd: no man, i dont know
[09:23] <LeeJunFan> freakabcd: you got a toshiba DVD/RW?
[09:24] <canen> sdf_: respositories are where the softwhere is stored
[09:24] <darryl> jthomas: its called foomatic-db and its already installed :s
[09:25] <freakabcd> LeeJunFan, no. nec ND-6650A
[09:25] <jthomas> darryl: any other packages available?  there should be a third word on there...
[09:25] <LeeJunFan> freakabcd: have you tried -R and +R media?
[09:25] <jthomas> i thought...
[09:25] <darryl> I see a bunch of Canon drivers but not for the CFX-L3500 IF
[09:25] <jovans> hi@ll
[09:25] <freakabcd> LeeJunFan, dude. its definitely no tthe drive or the blanks
[09:26] <jovans> why kde runs so slow on my machine? I am using 7.04 Kubuntu
[09:26] <freakabcd> cos the same drive worked with the same blanks on edgy
[09:26] <darryl> jthomas: yes there are some for HP LaserJet as the third word but nothing for Canon
[09:26] <LeeJunFan> freakabcd: dude, I didn't say it was. :)
[09:26] <freakabcd> umm.. maybe a week ago!
[09:26] <jthomas> darryl: not sure then mate, i don't print really so... not had to deal with it before.... tried google at all??
[09:26] <baldie> uhm... i'm trying to mount a fat32 drive, but it aint easy... i typed sudo mount -t vfat -o umask=0000 /dev/sda6 /home/baldie/win but it gives me an error msg... already mount or /home/baldie/win busy... but if I write "mount" i dont see /dev/sda6
[09:26] <LeeJunFan> freakabcd: I've got a similar problem with growisofs, I can burn +R's with my toshiba, but not -R's, and +R's only after I updated the firmware, except this drive worked fine with edgy.
[09:26] <darryl> jthomas: yes I always google before asking here.... but all I get on Google is results for WinDOZE
[09:27] <jmichaelx> !democracyplayer
[09:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about democracyplayer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:27] <LeeJunFan> and works fine with windows too.
[09:27] <jthomas> baldie: try unmounting it: sudo umount /dev/sda6
[09:27] <Etokura> The driver should be in that software cd
[09:27] <jthomas> darryl: add the work 'linux' to your search
[09:27] <netshare> !internet share
[09:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about internet share - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:27] <jthomas> or 'ubuntu'
[09:27] <freakabcd> LeeJunFan, but you see the difference with my problem is: *nothing* has changed except for edgy->feisty and k3b old ver->new ver
[09:27] <darryl> jthomas: yes I did both variations
[09:28] <Ash-Fox> Contrast, hm, okay, 'dpkg --force-all -i ~/Automagic_0.1/Applications/automatix2_1.1-3.12-7.04feisty_i386.deb', I think a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade after that will resolve all the depedencies properly after .. but I can't be sure
[09:28] <netshare> !netshare
[09:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about netshare - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:28] <LeeJunFan> freakabcd: yeah, same here. Feisty has a diff version of growisofs.
[09:28] <terrestre> i have a problem with the growisof too, night to day the thing stop to work. i have to reinstall growisof
[09:28] <freakabcd> wtf?
[09:29] <freakabcd> sorry for the language
[09:29] <Contrast> Ash-Fox: K, I'll try that. BRB
[09:29] <freakabcd> i just removed some files and now the burn button is enabled!
[09:29] <freakabcd> thi sis shite
[09:29] <kubuntu_tester> nobody can help me? sob!
[09:29] <dominik_> Hello world!!!
[09:29] <freakabcd> k3b was showing 4.8 MB left
[09:29] <Etokura> Hello dominik_
[09:29] <freakabcd> so i thought everything was peachy
[09:29] <baldie> jthomas: it says it aint mounted...
[09:29] <freakabcd> why would it not burn with that much free space left?
[09:30] <terrestre> freakabcd: i just cant burn till 4.3 in a dvd
[09:30] <baldie> when i open the gui drivemanager from system utilities, it doesnt say the drive is fat... maybe it cant recognize the drive? how do I determine=?
[09:30] <baldie> system settings*
[09:30] <freakabcd> huh really? i have burnt with about 1 MB left on edgy
[09:30] <freakabcd> what the heck..
[09:30] <dominik_> Hi guys, I have a little problem...
[09:31] <dominik_> I can't seem to be getting updates for my Linux computer.
[09:31] <jthomas> baldie: are you sure that your filesystem type is correct in the mount command?
[09:31] <netshare> !share
[09:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about share - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:31] <jthomas> dominik_: feisty?  i've not had any updates yet either... i find that hard to believe also! :)
[09:32] <dominik_> I used to get notification icon informing me of updates, and asking me if I want to install updates...
[09:32] <netshare> :( noone knows how to share internet connection? :(
[09:32] <terrestre> who was the guy that want to share the internet connecction?
[09:32] <netshare> mee
[09:32] <terrestre> aah netshare, from a win xp?
[09:32] <dominik_> am using 6.06 LTS Kubuntu
[09:32] <baldie> jthomas: the filsystem is idd fat32.. I'm dualbooting, and i have this fat32 drive that i want mounted... i had ubuntu before, where it worked
[09:33] <netshare> no. i want to share the net on linux, for a win xp
[09:33] <jthomas> baldie: not sure; i can mount my fat32 but for some reason its 'read-only filesystem'... and it shouldn't be...
[09:33] <baldie> aargh.. it's sda5... i typed sda6
[09:33] <dominik_> now, those updates notifications dont come up anymore
[09:33] <terrestre> netshare: i did it like this... I install firestarter
[09:33] <baldie> jthomas: try with -o umask 0000
[09:33] <baldie> jthomas: try with -o umask=0000 even
[09:33] <netshare> so the gateway is the linux, and when sometimtes i connect a pc with winXP, i can use the net on the pc with xp
[09:34] <jthomas> 'even' ??
[09:34] <netshare> firestarter can share connection?
[09:34] <terrestre> netshare: the wizzard of firestarter give the option to share the conecction
[09:34] <netshare> thats a simply firewall i thought
[09:34] <netshare> oh
[09:34] <netshare> okay
[09:34] <baldie> like 'sudo mount -t vfat -o umask=0000 /dev/hdax /home/blablabla
[09:34] <terrestre> netshare: yeah its was, but its really cool
[09:34] <dominik_> ...I even tried updating manually, but it keeps failing to connect to the remote server for updates...anyone have any ideas or solutions???
[09:34] <jthomas> ok i will!  but its an ipod being mounted by HAL... and i cannot add music to the Rockbox folders...  auto mount may not allow for the umask...
[09:35] <baldie> uhmm :o
[09:35] <baldie> hmm
[09:35] <netshare> and do i need any package for tha sharing?
[09:35] <terrestre> netshare: and after the configuration you can start it like a daemon
[09:35] <baldie> automount usually mounts as read/write
[09:35] <jthomas> i know, but its not.
[09:35] <baldie> anyways it should work with '-o umask=0000'
[09:35] <netshare> daemon?
[09:35] <jthomas> one of many HAL error sin feisty
[09:35] <netshare> !daemon
[09:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about daemon - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:35] <terrestre> netshare: just sudo aptitude install firestarter
[09:36] <jthomas> one of many HAL errors in feisty, on my machine...
[09:36] <deviance> !ping
[09:36] <ubotu> pong
[09:36] <deviance> ohh I am connected
[09:37] <terrestre> !ping
[09:37] <terrestre> guajajaja
[09:37] <ubotu> pong
[09:37] <dominik_> hello guys, does anyone know why we can't get updates for 6.06 anymore????
[09:38] <baronmordock> ubotu
[09:40] <dominik_> hmm
[09:41] <netshare> terrestre: aptitude is apt-get? or not the same?
[09:41] <close2__> hello, my brother (who is on vacation now) installed kubuntu on my sis. computer.  (the feisty beta version)
[09:41] <terrestre> netshare: its the same but different
[09:41] <close2__> problem now: if I try to "aptitude dist-upgrade"  aptitude want's to remove kdebase
[09:42] <terrestre> netshare: give you more options, some times its better apt-get sometimes aptitude
[09:42] <close2__> netshare: aptitude for instance makes a difference between manually installed packages and autom. installed packages
[09:42] <jermain> okay im desperate. I had some mounting problems, someone tried to help me and had me edit .fstab but it had a typo. Now i cant mount anything and i dont know
[09:42] <sdf_> canen:are you here??
[09:42] <jermain> how to chjange the file
[09:42] <close2__> jermain: are you using the boot-cd?
[09:43] <jermain> i have the edgy cd
[09:43] <jermain> not the feisty
[09:43] <close2__> jermain: and are you using it right now?
[09:44] <jermain> nope, wait let me get it
[09:44] <sdf_> ash-fox: can you help me?
[09:45] <sdf_> ash-fox:i have question?
[09:45] <Ash-Fox> Just ask the question
[09:45] <dominik_> sorry, is anyone here having problems getting updates for 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) like me????
[09:45] <llutz> jermain: make it look like http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18011/, that's your old fstab
[09:45] <sdf_> ash-fox:are you here???
[09:46] <jermain> thats the thing
[09:46] <jermain> i cant change it
[09:46] <terrestre> jermain: do you try sudo mount -a
[09:46] <llutz> jermain: alt-f2: "kdesu kate /etc/fstab"
[09:46] <Tm_T> sdf_: just ask
[09:46] <dac> my 6.06 LTS dapper drake works just fine.
[09:46] <jermain> k
[09:46] <close2__> sorry, didn't realize that kubuntu still boots
[09:47] <sdf_> th-t:i have sd.cpp file in desktop how can  i run this file?
[09:47] <sdf_> tm-t:
[09:47] <Ash-Fox> It's sourcecode, not a program
[09:47] <jermain> thanks llutz
[09:47] <Ash-Fox> You can open it with a text file, like kate
[09:47] <Ash-Fox> err text editor
[09:47] <trotek> is there any way to regenerate /var/lib/dpkg/status. i've lost that file
[09:47] <dominik_> hmm, I think I need to remove my files from the computer and reinstall an operating system that gives me updates then
[09:48] <jermain> llutz: btw i dunno how, but after restart the problem was solved
[09:48] <jermain> the icon for the hdd just appeared
[09:48] <close2__> dominik_: feisty could work as well
[09:48] <jermain> weird -.-
[09:48] <sdf_> ash-fox:how can i compile it?
[09:48] <sdf_> ash-fox:how can i program with c/c++ in kubuntu?
[09:48] <llutz> jermain: win-like problem-solution...
[09:49] <dac> dominik, i do have all the updates except the last one.
[09:49] <dominik_> thanks close2, but I think I've had enough of this Linux stuff
[09:49] <Ash-Fox> sdf_, gcc I would imagine
[09:50] <sdf_> ash-fox:how can i do this from terminal
[09:50] <sdf_> ?
[09:50] <terrestre> dominik_: what OS give you updates?
[09:51] <dominik_> I don't want to start an OS flaming war here, but you know what OS am talking about
[09:51] <close2__> could somebody please verify "my" sources.list    http://christian.delta64.com/sources.list
[09:51] <Ash-Fox> sdf_, yes and I can't help you with compiling applications.
[09:52] <terrestre> dominik_: mmm think of feisty like vista and dapper like xp, its not a easy update
[09:52] <terrestre> i think
[09:52] <dominik_> ...the OS i left before installing Linux...now, I can't even play all those online radios that I used to enjoy while relaxing :(
[09:52] <close2__> terrestre: apparently he doesn't get updates for his dapper
[09:53] <terrestre> close2__: was just a example
[09:53] <MrWGW> how do I install a pre-downloaded package from the CLI?
[09:53] <close2__> does anybody have an idea, why my dist-upgrade wants to remove kdelibs?
[09:53] <Skrot-> sudo dpkg -i yourpackage.deb
[09:54] <dominik_> now guys listent to this: I wanted to listen to my mp3 files, but there was not media player installed to play it...
[09:54] <close2__> just hints, would really help
[09:54] <MrWGW> thaks skrot
[09:54] <BluesKaj> !amarok
[09:54] <ubotu> Amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.3 for Dapper and 1.4.5 for Edgy and packages are  available for Kubuntu at www.kubuntu.org See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Amarok
[09:54] <Skrot-> close2__: Do you have kubuntu-desktop installed?
[09:54] <close2__> yes
[09:54] <terrestre> dominik_: actually what i do its a different partition for my home, so after 6 month with a new release go out I just keep all my stuff
[09:54] <Skrot-> okay
[09:54] <dominik_> ...then, I was asked to install it through the update manager, but the update does NOT work
[09:55] <terrestre> dominik_: are you using kubuntu or ubuntu?
[09:55] <dominik_> am using Kubuntu
[09:55] <terrestre> mm amarok its installed
[09:56] <BluesKaj> !xine
[09:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xine - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:57] <MrWGW> also how do I get it to autoresolve dependencies during such an install?
[09:57] <dark> Is dapper to fiesty worth the effort?
[09:57] <terrestre> yeaaaaaaah
[09:57] <terrestre> feisty rulz
[09:57] <MrWGW> Dapper has LTS, but Feisty has 2.6.20+other goodness
[09:57] <MrWGW> however, I wouldn't migrate a server or critical production system that worked fine
[09:57] <sdf_> i have cpp file in disktop how can compile and run it from trminal?
[09:57] <MrWGW> since Dapper will be supported much longer than Feisty
[09:58] <sdf_> terminal*
[09:58] <close2__> sdf_: alt-f2
[09:58] <close2__> konsole
[09:58] <ferret_0567> Does anybody know why files starting with "list.vcf" appear on my desktop, I delete them, and then a few hours later, they come back to haunt me?
[09:58] <close2__> sdf_: sudo apt-get install gcc
[09:58] <dominik_> this is the output from my terminal
[09:59] <close2__> sdf_: cd ~/Desktop
[09:59] <dominik_> dominik@home-linux:/home$ sudo aptitude update
[09:59] <dominik_> Reading package lists... Done
[09:59] <dominik_> Building dependency tree... Done
[09:59] <dominik_> Initialising package states... Done
[09:59] <dominik_> Building tag database... Done
[09:59] <dominik_> Err http://security.ubuntu.com dapper-security Release.gpg
[09:59] <dominik_>   Could not connect to security.ubuntu.com:80 (1.0.0.0), connection timed out
[09:59] <dominik_> Err http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com dapper Release.gpg
[09:59] <dominik_>   Could not connect to gb.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (1.0.0.0), connection timed out
[09:59] <dominik_> Err http://wxpython.wxcommunity.com  Release.gpg
[09:59] <close2__> sdf_: g++ filename
[09:59] <dominik_>   Could not connect to wxpython.wxcommunity.com:80 (1.0.0.0), connection timed out
[09:59] <dominik_> Err http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com dapper-updates Release.gpg
[09:59] <dominik_>   Could not connect to gb.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (1.0.0.0), connection timed out
[09:59] <close2__> sdf_: should result in an a.out  file, which is executable
[09:59] <close2__> sdf_: in the konsole type      ./a.out   and the program should start
[09:59] <close2__> sdf_: if and only if there are noc special dependencies....
[10:00] <ferret_0567> !pastebin | dominik_ (the reason you where kicked)
[10:00] <ubotu> dominik_ (the reason you where kicked): pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[10:01] <ferret_0567> You need to use the pastebin to paste stuff like that next time, ok?
[10:01] <close2__> ferret_0567: if i am not mistaken vcf's are contact-cards
[10:01] <dominik_> ok
[10:01] <ferret_0567> Thanks
[10:01] <sdf_> close2: i had E: Couldn't find package gcc
[10:01] <ferret_0567> I know what vcf's are, just why do they keep on reappearing?
[10:02] <ferret_0567> I didn't specify that I wanted them to appear on my desktop
[10:02] <close2__> sdf_: try c++-compiler
[10:02] <close2__> ferret_0567: did you try to open one/them in an editor?
[10:02] <close2__> it might give you an idea, which program produces them
[10:02] <ferret_0567> no
[10:03] <ferret_0567> I'll try that
[10:03] <sdf_> close2:
[10:03] <sdf_> same
[10:03] <sdf_> close2:same
[10:03] <ferret_0567> They are blank
[10:03] <ferret_0567> I used "cat"
[10:03] <close2__> that didn't help ;)
[10:04] <close2__> sdf_: you might even have g++ installed
[10:04] <dominik_> anyway, thanks guys for your time...let me go see if I can reinstall a different OS
[10:04] <close2__> sdf_: try to execute it
[10:04] <close2__> dominik_: bsd is quite cool as well
[10:04] <ferret_0567> 0 byte files :(
[10:04] <Noiseconformist> Hi, anyone managed get Xorg from 7.04 running with older ATI Radeon Mobility 7500 chips? I just get 800x600 resolution on my notebook (instead of 1400x1050 int or 1680x1050 ext.)
[10:04] <sdf_> close2:i wrote cd~/Desktop inkonsole
[10:05] <sdf_> close2:and i had vo file or directory
[10:05] <sdf_> no#
[10:05] <ferret_0567> I dunno what is recreating these files, it's a bug
[10:05] <ferret_0567> I guess I'll search on launchpad
[10:05] <close2__> sdf_:  didn't you say you had the file on  your desktop?
[10:05] <BluesKaj> anyone using the ati ixp soundcard ?  ...I have audio, but I'd like to use the digital audio out to my HT Receiver in the tvroom
[10:05] <dominik_> thanks close2_, but I think I need something that am comfortable with
[10:05] <sdf_> close2:ya
[10:05] <borsten> Noiseconformist. have you tried installing the graphic drivers?
[10:05] <sdf_> close2:i do
[10:06] <close2__> sdf_: so     cd   ~/Desktop
[10:06] <close2__> sdf_:    ls
[10:06] <close2__> gives nothing?
[10:06] <dominik_> Linux is not for me
[10:06] <Noiseconformist> borsten, which one in particular?  fglrx? That one doesn't support the 7500 anymore
[10:06] <terrestre> !adeptfix
[10:06] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[10:07] <borsten> Noiseconformist: dunno, im nvidia-user ;-)
[10:07] <Noiseconformist> borsten, errm ... well ...
[10:07] <sdf_> close2:i do and appear allfiles in desktop then what do i do?
[10:07] <weswh-> which command will give me an overview of the hard disks recognized by the system? I want to see if my RAID array is being recognized...
[10:07] <Noiseconformist> borsten, unfortunately I can't change the chip in my notebook :-/
[10:08] <borsten> Noiseconformist: yeah, i know ;-)
[10:08] <borsten> ill have a look
[10:08] <ferret_0567> I would report a bug, but, I don't have enough info to report it
[10:08] <Noiseconformist> borsten, oddly enough, I got here 5.10 on the same modell, which works like a breeze
[10:09] <sdf_> close2:are you here?
[10:10] <ferret_0567> Do any of you see files starting with "list.vcf" appear on your desktops?
[10:10] <sdf_> please any one help
[10:10] <sdf_> ??
[10:10] <close2__> sdf_: what does     g++     say?
[10:10] <ssaa> hello i need some help  please. I installed superkaramba yesterday but I dont know how to add it to the startup
[10:10] <borsten> Noiseconformist: why dont you simply change the monitor to vesa with the needed solution?
[10:10] <BluesKaj> weswh- , check disk & filesystems in system settings/advanced
[10:11] <ferret_0567> I want to report a bug about that, but it might be a isolated incident. Plus, I don't have enough info about this problem for a bug report to be useful
[10:11] <close2__> anybody, how do i find the reason, why a dist-upgrade wants to remove kdebase
[10:11] <borsten> *resolution
[10:11] <ferret_0567> Because, dist-upgrade can remove packages, too
[10:12] <sdf_> close2: i m in desktop and see all the files in desktop i wrote  g++ ds.cpp
[10:12] <ssaa> !startup
[10:12] <ubotu> To add programs to start up when you log into your Gnome session go to System>Preferences>Sessions and use the Startup Programs tab. For more information, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddingProgramToSessionStartup
[10:12] <close2__> but shouldn't kdebase be a dependency of kubuntu-desktop?
[10:12] <sdf_> close2: i had no file or directory
[10:12] <Flosoft> hi
[10:12] <weswh-> what is the s prefix of drives in /dev? I just installed a RAID array (3ware hardware raid card, ata100). It seems to be showing up correctly as /dev/sda - just wondering what that means
[10:12] <close2__> sdf_: "no such file or directory" ?
[10:12] <Flosoft> I am desperatly trying to get my TV-Out enabled by default in Xorg
[10:12] <Flosoft> using nvidia-glx and a GF2MX
[10:13] <sdf_> close2:ya
[10:13] <close2__> !gcc
[10:13] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[10:13] <ferret_0567> kdebase is just a metapackage, it doesn't really do anything, it just depends on other packages, if a million other packages aren't listed to remove, then, I believe kdebase is safe to remove
[10:13] <baldie> how do I get mp3 support in kubuntu?
[10:13] <Flosoft> !mp3
[10:13] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:13] <ferret_0567> Why don't you do: apt-cache show kubuntu-desktop | grep -i kdebase ?
[10:13] <sdf_> close2: files in desktop are ds.cpp               konsole.desktop       kopete.desktop    plain
[10:14] <borsten> Noiseconformist: i think the reason, why your graphics work fine with the 5.10 release is, that its simply older and has still support for your card
[10:14] <close2__> sdf_: ok, the package i was looking for:  build-essential
[10:14] <Flosoft> !tvout
[10:14] <ubotu> For help with enabling the TV-Out, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaTVOutNewbieEdition (Nvidia cards) or http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Tvout (ATI cards, *untested*)
[10:14] <close2__> after apt-get install build-essential   g++.... should work
[10:14] <sdf_> close2:what can i do now?
[10:15] <close2__> sdf_: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[10:15] <close2__> sdf_: then call g++ yourfile.cpp    again, this should produce an a.out
[10:15] <zk> hello all
[10:15] <close2__> sdf_: which you call by typing:   ./a.out
[10:15] <borsten> hi zk
[10:16] <zk> i'm new to ubuntu/kubuntu...and i got a problem...
[10:16] <zk> who can help me on prv?
[10:16] <killhatedestroy> how would i force Amarok to close? it froze up.
[10:16] <Flosoft> anyone?
[10:16] <sdf_> close2:E: Couldn't find package build-essential
[10:16] <Flosoft> I can
[10:16] <Flosoft> can't get the tv out to work
[10:17] <close2__> could anybody usinf feisty tell me if kdebase should be installed
[10:17] <close2__> !update
[10:17] <ubotu> See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[10:17] <sdf_> clos2: and
[10:17] <sdf_> Reading package lists... Done
[10:17] <sdf_> Building dependency tree... Done
[10:17] <borsten> killhatedestroy: use performance monitor
[10:17] <close2__> sdf_: try to install it, via the gui
[10:17] <killhatedestroy> that froze up too :(
[10:18] <sdf_> close2:how
[10:18] <sdf_> close2:2
[10:18] <killhatedestroy> i kind of hate kubuntu's ntfs support.
[10:18] <sdf_> ???
[10:18] <ferret_0567> no, kdebase doesn't need to be installed
[10:18] <close2__> !install
[10:18] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[10:18] <zk> Flosoft...i can't chat on prv with you
[10:18] <close2__> sdf_:  just like any other program
[10:19] <close2__> sdf_: K -> add/remove program   (or something like that)
[10:19] <ferret_0567> My result of installing kdebase:   The following NEW packages will be installed: kappfinder kdebase kpager kpersonalizer ktip
[10:19] <terrestre> killhatedestroy: do you try sudo aptitude install ntfs-g3
[10:19] <killhatedestroy> yeah, i'm using that
[10:19] <killhatedestroy> and it blows.
[10:19] <killhatedestroy> Amarok takes at least 30 seconds just to write an MP3 tag.
[10:19] <sdf_> close2: icant install any program in linux , it s the first time to use linux
[10:20] <terrestre> killhatedestroy: really? i had installed but i dont use it
[10:20] <close2__> ok, i will remove kdebase, let's see if everything blows up
[10:20] <Flosoft> zk: well here is fine
[10:20] <ferret_0567> There might be a newer ntfs-3g on their website
[10:20] <ferret_0567> a lot of software in universe is older
[10:20] <terrestre> sdf_: what do you want to install?
[10:20] <zk> ook...i got a problem with my resolution...it's on 640*480...
[10:20] <zk> this morning
[10:20] <zk> it was ook...
[10:21] <TeleSkier> while trying to run xawtv on Feisty I get the following error: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18016/   Can Anyone have a look?
[10:21] <octoberdan> TeleSkier: Sure
[10:21] <close2__> sdf_: need to go, but everything's on the net (just google a bit)
[10:21] <ferret_0567> maybe just restarting the X server (Ctrl+Alt+Backspace) might fix it
[10:21] <sdf_> close2:please help me
[10:22] <BluesKaj> TeleSkier:  running what graphics card?
[10:23] <octoberdan> TeleSkier: Have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/90719 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xawtv/+bug/76501
[10:23] <TeleSkier> BluesKaj, nvidia fx 5200 with nvidia drivers from kubuntu
[10:24] <TeleSkier> ok thanks, goint to have a look and will also try restarting X.  Will let you know.
[10:24] <Guest4__> hey
[10:24] <Guest4__> where did ya'll go
[10:24] <Flosoft> zk: u still there?
[10:25] <zk> yes...i have to register my nickname...:| how do i do that? :D
[10:25] <Flosoft> type /NickServ Register
[10:27] <blckcts> anyone knows about tvout please? aticonfig
[10:28] <Daisuke_Ido> ati is the devil and we speak not its name.
[10:28] <Noiseconformist> borsten, the current Knoppix 5.2 runs fine on this particular notebook. Given that is there anything I can look at to find out whats needed to get the graphics working under feisty? I'm aware that Knoppix is Debian and not just based on it.
[10:28] <blckcts> :)
[10:29] <Arwen> blckcts, google fer "fglrx tvout"
[10:29] <ferret_0567> Game too laggy, I'm going to exit out of IRC
[10:29] <blckcts> ive got tvout enabled, i need to make it playing the video in fullscreen on tv
[10:30] <TeleSkier> octoberdan: new error message using xawtv -nodga : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18017/
[10:30] <thau> uhm it cant be correct, when i start the builtin performance thingie, it says im using 1.7gb of my 2gb ram ehm O_O
[10:30] <Arwen> blckcts, err, set your media player to play at fullscreen on display foo?
[10:31] <TeleSkier> something to do with Video4linux.......
[10:31] <goki-ubuntu> you know, so far the hardware support in feisty seems worse than edgy
[10:31] <borsten> Noiseconformist: your right, that knoppix is debian, but there are several pakages, whitch cant be found on "normal" deb-distros and repos
[10:31] <baldie> !mp3
[10:31] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:31] <blckcts> Arwen, i could live with that but the resolution on tv isnt the correct one, so i miss parts of the picture
[10:32] <Arwen> goki-ubuntu, it's relatively newly released... seems better for me, my AHCI SATA is faster and my Radeon X300 crashes less
[10:32] <Daisuke_Ido> blckcts: a standard def tv?
[10:32] <Arwen> blckcts, set that TV's resolution to "640x480"
[10:32] <BloodyTux> hey dai
[10:32] <blckcts> yeah an old  crt
[10:32] <Noiseconformist> borsten, ok, so its a waste of time to see how graphics is done there?
[10:32] <goki-ubuntu> software wise it's great so far, but my monitor was misdetected, so I couldn't get max res, and it hasn't found my DVB card that edgy found and used perfectly with no intervention
[10:33] <blckcts> Arwen havent figured out how to do that
[10:33] <Arwen> one sec..
[10:33] <blckcts> Thanks
[10:33] <goki-ubuntu> wacom tablet works though, but that used to work fine in edgy too
[10:34] <borsten> Noiseconformist: i dont know, im not this good informed, ive just noticed it... im new to feisty too
[10:34] <TeleSkier> octoberdan, do I have to mount my /dev/video0 webcam perhaps ? I don't remeber doing anything like that on edgy
[10:34] <Arwen> blckcts, does the "screen resolution" control panel do it?
[10:34] <plisken> hi
[10:35] <plisken> spanish?
[10:35] <Noiseconformist> borsten, ok ... thx!
[10:35] <hitmanWilly> !es | plisken
[10:35] <ubotu> plisken: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[10:35] <blckcts> Arwen, screen resolution has only monitor options
[10:35] <octoberdan> TeleSkier: I'm not sure, but I have to run off, sorry
[10:35] <sdf_> i download gcc compiler and it in my desktop how can i install it???
[10:35] <TeleSkier> ok, thanks anyway octoberdan
[10:36] <plisken> i want to try some C
[10:36] <borsten> Noiseconformist: your welcome, im sorry that i coulndt help you more
[10:36] <Flosoft> noone able to help me with my TV-Out?
[10:36] <octoberdan> TeleSkier: Good luck!
[10:36] <Arwen> blckcts, hmm - open up /etc/X11/xorg.conf and find the entry for your TV, pastebin it if you can't
[10:36] <TeleSkier> can anyone else have a look at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18017/  ?
[10:36] <hitmanWilly> sdf_: a better idea would be to get it from the repos, apt-get install build-essential
[10:36] <plisken> bye
[10:36] <BloodyTux> is there a imovie like program for kubuntu?
[10:37] <Arwen> BloodyTux, eww... iMovie... try cinelerra or kino
[10:37] <BloodyTux> thanks
[10:37] <Noiseconformist> borsten, np - at least I managed to get the full resolution right know - guess how: just by copying the xorg.conf from the booted Knoppix ;-)
[10:38] <borsten> Noiseconformist: hm, good idea
[10:38] <Arwen> is there a guide anywhere on how to compile a vanilla kernel?
[10:39] <baldie> i'm not impressed by the ubuntu-restricted-extras .. amarok still says there is no support, or it crashes...
[10:39] <hitmanWilly> Arwen: http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_ubuntu
[10:39] <baldie> it definitely doesnt work
[10:39] <blckcts> Arwen the xorg:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18018/
[10:39] <thau> ah baldie i had the same prob, sec ill look up what package i took instead, its different for kubuntu apparently
[10:40] <GrahamA> I've got a camcorder, how do I mount it?
[10:40] <Arwen> blckcts, doh - is your tvout working right now? I don't see a screen for it
[10:40] <baldie> ah ok
[10:40] <blckcts> yeah that why i pasted it, but it works
[10:40] <yakuzi> hi all, i'm totaly new with linux and i'm wondering: is there a way to make my windows-key on my keyboard open the K-menu like in windows it opens the start-menu?
[10:41] <blckcts> i see what i see on monitor, only loosing parts
[10:41] <Arwen> blckcts, ah - here's the trick, you have to set your TV as a separate device
[10:42] <GrahamA> yakuzi: Yeah, go into k menu, then up to system settings.
[10:42] <thau> baldie: get libxine1-ffmpeg, should work then :)
[10:42] <blckcts> what should i enter for BusID though?
[10:42] <blckcts> no entry?
[10:43] <baldie> ok cool
[10:43] <GrahamA> Press keyboard & mouse, then on the side press shortcuts. Scroll down until you see popup launch menu which defaults to alt + f1
[10:43] <yakuzi> GrahamA: yes i've it open
[10:43] <Arwen> blckcts, na, I'll post a new xorg.conf for you
[10:43] <thau> tell me if it works when youre done
[10:43] <Arwen> blckcts, I assume you have an American TV? as in NTSC?
[10:43] <blckcts> no, Pal one
[10:43] <blckcts> just enter PAL
[10:43] <baldie> oh now my laptop is working better and better.. last thing is that I need to set my wireless card into powersave mode.. it's getting AWFULLY hot atm
[10:44] <thau> amarok works now baldie?
[10:44] <mickwolfram> ciao a tutti
[10:44] <Arwen> blckcts, ah, one sec
[10:45] <baldie> uhm thau.. testing
[10:45] <blckcts> sure
[10:45] <thau> mmkay
[10:45] <baldie> it just crashed on me... .. aint loading
[10:45] <thau> hmm, do you have libxine1 aswell?
[10:45] <baldie> prob not
[10:45] <thau> try it i got both
[10:46] <baldie> i have it
[10:46] <thau> hmm wierd, worked for me, my amarok was crashing and stuff aswell
[10:46] <yakuzi> GrahamA: if i try to change the key and i press windows-key, it keeps "saying" "win+", like it wants a 2de key
[10:46] <Arwen> blckcts, ....the Ubuntu pastebin refused to let me paste
[10:47] <borsten_> strange, im running amarok on a 400mhz-pc without trouble
[10:47] <blckcts> ?
[10:47] <yakuzi> (KUbuntu by the way)
[10:47] <Arwen> blckcts, yeah, it accused me of being a spammer and refused to let me paste
[10:47] <blckcts> can u sent me as file then? just plain txt
[10:47] <GrahamA> yakuzi: Guess you better give it one :)
[10:48] <yakuzi> it won't accept only windowskey?
[10:49] <Arwen> blckcts, yeah, one sec, now I have to make the changes again... (btw, since you're using fglrx, my changes might not work - so backup)
[10:49] <blckcts> yeah i alredy got a backup :)
[10:49] <Arwen> say, you know that the r200 driver supports 9600?
[10:50] <blckcts> no idea
[10:51] <Arwen> blckcts, try this one
[10:51] <TeleSkier> Can anyone have a look at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18017/ ?  Apparently a problem with Video4Linux
[10:52] <Arwen> blckcts, an wait, that one still had "NTSC" in it, find it and change it to "PAL"
[10:52] <goki-ubuntu> ah I found the fix for my DVB card, needs the new module loading manually, now it works fine.
[10:52] <blckcts> ok
[10:52] <aldin> where i change ubuntu's default runlevel (/etc/inittab not present on 7.04)
[10:53] <blekos_> what do i need to install for amarok to play mp3?
[10:54] <hitmanWilly> !mp3 | blekos_
[10:54] <ubotu> blekos_: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:54] <Arwen> blekos_, libxine1-ffmpeg
[10:54] <blckcts> trying and be back again
[10:55] <aldin> how do i change ubuntu's default runlevel (/etc/inittab not present on 7.04), so i could start my X with startx?
[10:55] <benkong2> yo!
[10:56] <rymo_> hi guys
[10:56] <benkong2> why does feisty only offer logout as an option? Is there a setting I can change to fix it?
[10:56] <benkong2> using feisty kubuntu
[10:57] <rymo_> stupid question: anyone beside me has problem with not loading modules /etc/modules? kubuntu 7.04
[10:57] <benkong2> I have not
[10:57] <Daisuke_Ido> benkong2: did you log in via kdm or did you start x from a terminal
[10:57] <hitmanWilly> benkong2: are you starting kde from the cmd line?
[10:57] <benkong2> hitmanWilly: actually gdm
[10:58] <rymo_> guys? :(
[10:58] <benkong2> rymo_: yes?
[10:58] <rymo_> could any help me?
[10:58] <hitmanWilly> hmmm, normally one gets that when starting from a cli
[10:58] <rymo_> i posted my problem :(
[10:58] <benkong2> rymo_: what's your question?
[10:58] <Lynoure> rymo_: any modules? all of them?
[10:59] <rymo_> /etc/modules not loading
[10:59] <rymo_> i think most of them...mainly i want to load acpi_cpufreq
[10:59] <benkong2> what's in /etc/modules?
[10:59] <rymo_> which...isn't loaded
[10:59] <rymo_> in /etc/modules is a list of modules to load at startup
[10:59] <rymo_> but...it doesn't work
[10:59] <Lynoure> rymo_: and   modprobe acpi_cpufreq  says what?
[11:00] <benkong2> are you getting the error from dmesg output?
[11:00] <rymo_> modprobe loads it
[11:00] <hitmanWilly> rymo_: can you modprobe it?
[11:00] <hitmanWilly> nm
[11:00] <rymo_> before i make modprobe cpufreq-info gives me "not loaded status"
[11:00] <rymo_> so..i think... module is not loaded at startup
[11:01] <Daisuke_Ido> Arwen: why a new kernel?
[11:01] <Arwen> Daisuke_Ido, more SATA fixes
[11:01] <Daisuke_Ido> ah, nice
[11:01] <Arwen> and because I'm masochistic
[11:01] <Daisuke_Ido> also nice
[11:02] <Arwen> and because I figure I oughta do that at least once in my life
[11:02] <hitmanWilly> Arwen: 2.6.21?
[11:02] <neverblue> why is it that a web browser will take my .php file (right after a new install, I am just checking to see it works), and not run it in a browser?
[11:02] <Arwen> hitmanWilly, ya
[11:02] <Sharkyyyy> hello everybody
[11:02] <blckcts> Arwen, no go. I lost the video completely now aswell :)
[11:02] <Lynoure> rymo_: you can do   lsmod   to see what is loaded and what not.  I know that at least visor module does not load automatically the way it used to. :/
[11:02] <neverblue> rather, it tried to run it
[11:02] <hitmanWilly> Arwen: ive been thinking about it, tell me how it goes :)
[11:02] <Arwen> blckcts, hmm, one sec
[11:02] <Sharkyyyy> can somebody help me in Kubuntu+Nvidia install? I cant install NV driver! PLEASE HELP!
[11:02] <neverblue> Sharkyyyy, consult the ubuntu guide (google it)
[11:02] <Daisuke_Ido> Sharkyyyy: 1) NV is the open source non-accelerated driver
[11:02] <Sharkyyyy> I shut the KDM down, and sh the install script. it says I need to install LIBC < WHAT IS THAT????
[11:02] <Sharkyyyy> Nvidia not NV
[11:02] <mg> how can I turn on .htaccess files in apache in user_dir module?
[11:03] <neverblue> Sharkyyyy, you can also ask in #ubuntu-effects
[11:03] <goki-ubuntu> ah that's good, kaffeine playing TV fine now :)
[11:03] <Daisuke_Ido> Sharkyyyy: 2) caps aren't necessary
[11:03] <neverblue> hey Daisuke_Ido
[11:03] <Sharkyyyy> not caps.. just shift :P
[11:03] <Arwen> blckcts, well, I'm actually, gonna start my kernel build, but try this last xorg.conf
[11:03] <KiPSeRoN> hi somone can help me i install beryl from the how to in the beryl site and now when i try change the resulotion of thscreen i can change only to 1400 800 or 800 600 and i want 1024 768 somone can help fix that problem
[11:03] <rymo_> ? :(
[11:04] <Daisuke_Ido> neverblue: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[11:04] <blckcts> ok thanks Arwen
[11:04] <rymo_> fine..i will reboot and check it
[11:04] <Arwen> KiPSeRoN, define it it xorg.conf
[11:04] <neverblue> Daisuke_Ido, thats not it
[11:04] <KiPSeRoN> what i need to do
[11:04] <KiPSeRoN> what to define
[11:04] <Daisuke_Ido> neverblue: i'm sorry what?
[11:04] <KiPSeRoN> you want i show you my xorg.conf in paste bin
[11:04] <KiPSeRoN> and you tell me what to
[11:04] <KiPSeRoN> add
[11:05] <KiPSeRoN> !pastebin
[11:05] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[11:05] <balint> hi, the net sharing doesnt work with firestarter
[11:05] <balint> :(
[11:06] <balint> eth0 is from where i get the internet, eth1 is the second network interface
[11:06] <balint> i share the net on eth1
[11:06] <neverblue> Daisuke_Ido, asking in php instead
[11:06] <neverblue> thanks though
[11:06] <Daisuke_Ido> neverblue: sorry, the build-essential was for Sharkyyyy
[11:06] <balint> but on the other pc theres no connection
[11:06] <Daisuke_Ido> my mistake :\
[11:06] <jbobobski> help meh. i only see 640x480 resolution max in control settings
[11:06] <Daisuke_Ido> Sharkyyyy: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[11:06] <balint> eth1 ip is 192.168.0.1
[11:06] <Daisuke_Ido> there we go, i got a lil mixed up
[11:06] <rymo_> Lynoure: no... in lsmod there's no acpi_cpufreq..or any stuff like this loaded
[11:07] <balint> jbobobski: i think you should write the resolutions in xorg.conf
[11:08] <jbobobski> k thanks
[11:08] <jbobobski> i just installed kubuntu too.
[11:08] <Daisuke_Ido> would be better to dpkg-reconfigure, probably
[11:08] <KiPSeRoN> i see
[11:08] <Lynoure> rymo_: I need to go now (falling asleep). It might be a bug, makse sense to search launchpad...
[11:08] <KiPSeRoN> only 800 600 or 1400 800
[11:08] <KiPSeRoN> i want 1024 768
[11:09] <KiPSeRoN> you can help me type the resulotion in the xorg.conf
[11:09] <KiPSeRoN> ?
[11:09] <adaptr> no chance, we're not at your keyboard
[11:09] <balint> :)
[11:09] <rymo_> Lynoure: i will check generic kernel...
[11:09] <balint> but as somebody said, dpkg-reconfigure is easyer
[11:09] <hsystem-x> bad interprtation :S.
[11:09] <hsystem-x> interpretation *
[11:09] <neverblue> KiPSeRoN, use #ubuntu-effects for help with that
[11:10] <Daisuke_Ido> neverblue: video issues are applicable here
[11:10] <Daisuke_Ido> #ubuntu-effects is for "effects" such as beryl and compiz.
[11:10] <balint> someone pls help me with internet sharing
[11:10] <jbobobski> it didnt work
[11:10] <kalorin`> I'll share the internet with you balint
[11:10] <neverblue> Daisuke_Ido, i realize that, but there is alot going on, and the channel is a bit more knowledgeable about such topics
[11:10] <neverblue> as you might already know
[11:10] <balint> :)
[11:10] <Daisuke_Ido> jbobobski: did you restart x?
[11:11] <balint> ctrl-alt-backspace
[11:11] <jbobobski> yes
[11:11] <Daisuke_Ido> pastebin your xorg.conf
[11:11] <balint> anyody got idea, wgy my internet sharing isnt working? :(
[11:12] <administrador> hola
[11:13] <jbobobski> also.. when installing xorg-fglrx.. is it supposed to show up as mesa?
[11:13] <rymo_> Lynoure: strange some packets from /etc/modules has loaded..some not
[11:14] <rymo_> Lynoure: the one..which actually interests me most..isnt :/
[11:14] <danny> hello
[11:14] <rymo_> hi
[11:14] <danny> anyone good with wireless that is willing to help?
[11:14] <balint> pls help me share
[11:15] <albin_> depends on... what brand du you got on your wlan?
[11:15] <danny> when i try and connecto to my wireless network (no security) Network-Manager get to about 28 percent then stops
[11:15] <danny> i can see the network, i just can't connect
[11:15] <kubuntu> what wireless card do have danny
[11:16] <cotton> How can I upgrade KDE to 3.5.6?
[11:16] <albin_> ok do you have a Broadcom card or what
[11:16] <danny> broadcom
[11:16] <octoberdan> What should I use for vmware?
[11:17] <danny> i have used the bcm4318 program to setup ndiswrapper
[11:17] <albin_> first, you have to blacklist the built in driver..
[11:17] <albin_> sudo nano /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[11:17] <DX00> hey guys, i just changed my video card but its not working right, how do i reinstall the xserver?
[11:17] <albin_> blacklist bcm43xx
[11:17] <albin_> After that, install ndiswrapper (sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils)
[11:17] <cotton> can someone please help me
[11:18] <danny> albin can i pm you?
[11:18] <albin_> sure
[11:19] <danny> eh.. guess i have to register first
[11:19] <mark__> I have a quick Kubuntu question, if someone has some time
[11:19] <danny> albin can you join #danny please
[11:19] <baldie> oh i've really appreciated all the help tonight.. one last thing though: How do I stop Konversation opening automatically on boot?
[11:20] <kalorin`> go in the configs and set it to exit when you close it
[11:20] <DX00> any help with reconfiguring my xserver/video drivers?
[11:21] <cotton> How can I upgrade KDE to 3.5.6
[11:21] <mark__> I think kubuntu 7.04 uses 3.5.6
[11:22] <mark__> I need some direction on connecting to a Microsoft VPN environment
[11:22] <cotton> wait, I have ubuntu, and I upgraded that to 7.04, so does that auto-upgrade kubuntu-desktop?
[11:22] <mark__> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop will do it
[11:22] <mark__> since all the repos are under 7.04 now
[11:22] <cotton> well, mark__ I am using kubuntu-desktop right now
[11:23] <mark__> auto-upgrade might work, then
[11:24] <kubuntu> how to install a bin file
[11:24] <mark__> apt-get upgrade kubuntu-desktop might be the ticket
[11:25] <zaph31> Hello everybody
[11:25] <cotton> Are there any good themes to make KDE look like windows? :D
[11:26] <mark__> try to look on kde-look.org for themes
[11:26] <mark__> don't know why'd you want that...windows is ugly
[11:26] <mark__> KDE is beautiful
[11:26] <cotton> I don't like the KDE task bar
[11:26] <cotton> but besides thay
[11:27] <balint> :(:( why isnt my network sharing work? :( the pc with winXP doesnt recognize the internet, but i configured botch PC-s properly. on the host pc kubuntu 6.10 is running and im sharing network with firestarter
[11:29] <balint> OMFG now it works. stupid IE!!!!!!!
[11:29] <balint> I Hate it so much
[11:29] <balint> worst browser ever
[11:29] <balint> even emacs is better for surfing on internet:)
[11:29] <zaph31> Can you help me ? : pcmcia wifi card freeze laptop (plugin) ... and freeze stop when i remove card. dmsg: unable to apply power (after unfreeze)
[11:29] <balint> at least IE7 is useable
[11:30] <yakuzi> cotton: hehe i was bored with the windows-look... (NOT the reason i made a dual boot on this laptop), so i welcomed the different looks :p
[11:30] <Skyblast> dennister: Join the club :)
[11:30] <balint> windows only looks good with windowblinds
[11:30] <Dekans> hello, does someone run its bcm43xx at 54 MB with fwcutter ??
[11:30] <Arwen> balint, err, Windowblinds = fail
[11:30] <Skyblast> I think it looks best in the garbage can myself
[11:31] <Arwen> but really, Windows looks nice with the classic 2000 look and a decent wallpaper
[11:31] <balint> Arwen i use it, without problems
[11:31] <Skyblast> Yeah
[11:31] <Skyblast> They sort of got it right with Windows 2000
[11:31] <Arwen> balint, it's bloatware and payware :-\
[11:31] <Skyblast> Not too much bloat, NT kernel
[11:31] <zaph31> Dekans: try http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/materiel/wifi/bcm43xx, but KO for me (freeze my laptop)
[11:31] <yakuzi> yup... but you get borded afer using it very long hh, it still looks old, and the winXP look is...ugly if you ask me
[11:32] <cotton> I hate windows period
[11:32] <Dekans> zaph31: it works for me but only 11 MB
[11:32] <thau_> xp looks arse
[11:32] <Skyblast> I think the Vista look is kinda neat. too bad it makes for a bulgy, slow interface that needs a modern gaming video card to run
[11:32] <balint> try out windowblinds,  i mean its themes: Aura (the one i use) nad x360, theyre very very nice, didnt see anything like that on kde :(:( yet.
[11:32] <Dekans> i thought that 54 would be possible with feisty
[11:32] <BluesKaj> thau_: must be aussie :)
[11:32] <zaph31> Dekans: your lucky. for me, insert card and direct freeze !  :-((
[11:32] <thau_> BluesKaj: haha nah ^^
[11:32] <Kr4t05> Hrm... The Medibuntu repositories are so slow, is there any way I can get stuff like w32codecs and libdvdcss without using Medibuntu?
[11:33] <BluesKaj> ok brit
[11:33] <Skyblast> I've barely used my XP install since I got Kubuntu running the way I need to.
[11:33] <Arwen> Kr4t05, yes, wget
[11:33] <thau_> BluesKaj: still wrong ^^
[11:33] <BluesKaj> kiwi?
[11:33] <BluesKaj> :)
[11:33] <Kr4t05> Arwen: That tells me a whole lot...
[11:33] <Arwen> Kr4t05, download libdvdcss2 from videolan.org and w32codecs from debian multimedia (no idea where, google)
[11:33] <thau_> BluesKaj: swede :P
[11:33] <Dekans> zaph31: for me it's an integrated cart
[11:33] <yakuzi> Skyblast, if you're in my position, you need windows...
[11:33] <Arwen> Kr4t05, patience...
[11:33] <BluesKaj> svenska !
[11:33] <thau_> yep!
[11:33] <Dekans> zaph31: try ndiswrapper it works well in 32 bits
[11:33] <balint> Vista is funny:) only  few new things, and the BIG 3D Aero, is the worst:) it can only make alt-tabbing into 3D
[11:34] <thau_> BluesKaj: du med?
[11:34] <BluesKaj> mit sprake  sucks
[11:34] <thau_> xD
[11:34] <Skyblast> I get that yakuzi. Most people do need it to some degree.
[11:34] <hsystem-x> windows sucks... this is a kubuntu channel, so why is windows mentioned here?
[11:34] <Skyblast> but it's nice to know you have an alternative when you don't. :)
[11:34] <balint> beryl is better than Aero
[11:34] <BluesKaj> <---canada
[11:34] <yakuzi> i need it for games... and some specific programming tools etc
[11:34] <Skyblast> yeah
[11:34] <thau_> BluesKaj: ah ^^
[11:34] <BluesKaj> swedish/finnish parents
[11:34] <balint> hsystem-x appearance
[11:34] <Skyblast> I have some GREAT dvd rebuilding tools that are Windows-only
[11:35] <jhutchins> Arwen: Most of that stuff's on PLF, which last I looked still had ubuntu stuff.
[11:35] <thau_> BluesKaj: oh cool :D
[11:35] <Arwen> jhutchins, they're outdated last I checked
[11:35] <zaph31> Dekans : it's impossible, insert card => freeze. if i use blacklist, same problem. only one error : pcmcia_socket0: unable to apply power
[11:35] <Arwen> unless you feel like using breezy packages... then be my guest...
[11:35] <hsystem-x> games lol, linux have better games than windows. lol
[11:35] <Skyblast> I didn't really start playing with Linux because I hate Windows. I honestly don't. I use Linux more now because it does the job better for me
[11:35] <hsystem-x> and appereance is obviously , much better than vista.
[11:35] <BluesKaj> yeah thau_, was born in Finland, but grew up in Canada...old now, retired
[11:35] <Arwen> I use Linux because it's easier on resources :-\
[11:35] <Arwen> but Windows has actual 3d support....
[11:36] <hsystem-x> and for programming, is the best. Visual Basic is for windows, so it's sucks too.
[11:36] <Dekans> zaph31: did you modify your acpi conf ?
[11:36] <jhutchins> I have a windows partition, but it doesn't actually boot.
[11:36] <Arwen> eh?
[11:36] <thau_> BluesKaj: oh i guess you dont know that much swedish then ^^
[11:36] <jhutchins> It's Win95 and not compatible with this hardware.
[11:36] <Arwen> LOL
[11:36] <hsystem-x> kubuntu have 3d support :), 3d drivers, 3d interface so ? xgl aiglx
[11:36] <yakuzi> hsystem-x: well if you need SQL Management Studio Express for your study's... you don't have a choice, its made by MS and only works with win
[11:36] <Skyblast> heh
[11:36] <balint> hsystem-x    is there ASP development enviroment for linux?
[11:37] <Arwen> hsystem-x, not for ATI...
[11:37] <jhutchins> Arwen: Actually, I've configured wine to use it so I can run my old copy of quicken now and then.
[11:37] <BluesKaj> thau_:  we spke swedish at home but parents have been gone for 10 yrs now
[11:37] <Skyblast> I could virtualize all my Windows tasks, but I'm lazy
[11:37] <Arwen> jhutchins, lol
[11:37] <hsystem-x> i know what you are talking about, im studying too computer science, but when it is a c++ program, i used linux :) g++ rules.
[11:37] <jhutchins> My ME laptop finally lost it's HD, that was the last bootable Windows system I had.
[11:37] <thau_> BluesKaj: ah :( well i guess you kinda forget if you dont use a language for years
[11:38] <zaph31> Dekans: no, i only try boot params : lapic  pci=assign-busses
[11:38] <BluesKaj> well , at least XP doesn't shut down the PCM Audio out , like every new kernel upgrade does in kubuntu ...it's becoming frustrating
[11:38] <yakuzi> Skyblast: i'm just strting with linux so it will take a while for me to strt working less in win
[11:38] <balint> i use both OS linux and windows.
[11:38] <yakuzi> *starting
[11:38] <hsystem-x> well, ... linux is not for noobs :)
[11:39] <Skyblast> yakuzi: I started playing with Linux in 2003, and just barely started using it semi-full time like... a month or two ago
[11:39] <zaph31> Dekans: have you a link for tuto on ACPI conf ?
[11:39] <Dekans> hsystem-x: not yet
[11:39] <levi_> Hence why people help others figure their problems out
[11:39] <BluesKaj> yeah, thau_, unfortunately lack of use = loss
[11:39] <thau_> i spit on windows :P i just removed it a week ago, ive been blessed ^^
[11:39] <balint> hsystem-x  yes, but if something is easyer to use, thats not bad i think ...
[11:39] <Dekans> zaph31: no i don't, my only doc is the french wiki :p
[11:39] <zaph31> Dekans: me too
[11:39] <levi_> Howd I get a linksys USB wifi connector working under Dapper Kubuntu?
[11:40] <yakuzi> lol
[11:40] <hsystem-x> well, i like that difference. Dummies use windows, medium and expert users use linux.
[11:40] <Dekans> zaph31: maybe ubuntuforums
[11:40] <thau_> hmm Arwen is probably right ^^
[11:40] <Arwen> hsystem-x, it takes experience to properly use Windows...
[11:40] <Skyblast> Linux isn't really all that hard to use anymore
[11:40] <hsystem-x> Hollywood, have 90% of it computers with linux, because is better for media productions :)
[11:40] <Skyblast> Especially with Ubuntu
[11:40] <Yorokobi> By hsystem-x's standards, I'm a dummy ... :S
[11:40] <balint> and the superpowersmaster users use both :P
[11:40] <BluesKaj> Windows is still on my HDD , since there are some things I need to do in windows that i haven't figured out how to do in feisty
[11:40] <zaph31> Dekans: may be. Thanks four your time.
[11:41] <Arwen> SuperComputers run System VI Unix :-)
[11:41] <cpk1> BluesKaj: everytime you change kernels the pcm gets turned off?
[11:41] <levi_> Windows killed my 40 60 GB HDDs, my  Geforece, and my other lotherboard
[11:41] <levi_> *motherboard
[11:41] <yakuzi> the thing is, most people learn to work with win from child off... so when that changes to not only win but also linux and mac, well then we'll something ineresting i guess
[11:41] <balint> why windows is guilty?
[11:41] <Arwen> levi_, no offense, but if Windows can damage your hardware, you ought to buy better hardware
[11:41] <hsystem-x> no my pcm doen's turned off.
[11:41] <hsystem-x> does not*
[11:41] <levi_> I booted windows like I usually would.
[11:41] <BluesKaj> the pcm is there in alsa , cpk1 , but it does have any output to the digital out coax
[11:42] <levi_> Loaded my desktop. Fine.
[11:42] <BluesKaj> doesn't have any output
[11:42] <lparry> has anyone got the latest nvidia driver working with 2.6.21?
[11:42] <lparry> I am presuming it isn't supported as it couldn't build
[11:42] <cpk1> BluesKaj: weird, I've never had to fiddle with my digital out since first getting it working...
[11:42] <levi_> Opened Firefox which immediatley comes up with a memory read error, and shuts down my computer.
[11:42] <Arwen> lparry, nope, but I'm compiling a .21 kernel right now :-)
[11:42] <thau_> hmmm am i the only one abit confused by kde? guess so since im talking in the kubuntu channel heh
[11:42] <hsystem-x> windows was generated from a stolen interface :) (from apple).
[11:42] <cpk1> the PCM out can be pretty finicky though
[11:43] <levi_> Yes it was
[11:43] <Arwen> hsystem-x, Apple stole their GUI from Xerox....
[11:43] <lparry> Arwen, yeah , compiled it fine, just waiting for the driver, then I'll use it
[11:43] <yakuzi> i know hsystem-x
[11:43] <hsystem-x> yeah
[11:43] <thau_> hsystem-x: yeh heard that somwhere, sometime, long ago :P
[11:43] <hsystem-x> i know that :)
[11:43] <BluesKaj> cpk1: I've been searching in vain for the site that helped me get it working on edgy :(
[11:43] <hellblade> hey peeps. after upgrading to feisty my direct rendering got disabled. i use nvidia-glx-new, my xorg.conf is 100% correct but I can't make it work. seems like a bug. anyone else having the same problem?
[11:43] <Arwen> lparry, hehe, I'm waiting to see if my kernel parameters are usable :-\
[11:43] <Arwen> or, actually, I'm waiting for the build to finish, which might take a while on my cpu
[11:44] <acemo> anyone here is good with bash scripts?
[11:44] <hsystem-x> Linus TORVALDS :) the best hacker XD
[11:44] <lparry> I need to get rid of a lot of crappy modules, so build time doesn't take too long
[11:44] <lparry> is ticker support actually useful for the desktop
[11:45] <Arwen> lparry, out of curiosity, what did you set your timer interrupt frequency as? I was considering using 1000Hz
[11:45] <lparry> default that Ubuntu sets in the config file they provide for 2.6.20
[11:45] <lparry> I am going to experiment later.
[11:45] <cpk1> BluesKaj: not sure exactly what hardware you have but for me I have to make sure the IEC958 (the digital out part I guess) is all zeroed but not muted and thats its also set to ac-link not a/d converter
[11:46] <Arwen> lparry, yeah, I read that 1000Hz makes server usage slow... but then again, it's a workstation
[11:47] <lparry> yeah, servers execute in batches, to get better performance.
[11:47] <lparry> but I am no linux expert :P
[11:47] <Arwen> lparry, I just wonder if BT counts as a server :-\
[11:47] <Alarm> hello, would the deb file of webmin work also on ubuntu ?
[11:47] <BluesKaj> cpk1:  ati ixp
[11:47] <balint> hsystem-x btw win is for noobs, u asid, but thats not true, cos win has also lots of things that u cant do under GUI. If u know windows properly u can do everything in it. (scripts, routines, registry and grouppolicy things.. etc...)
[11:47] <Skyblast> hmmm, Why doesn't a right click menu on rar files allow them to be extracted anymore? I have to open then up in Ark and extract there
[11:48] <UKESN|Javax> 1v1 / wsw duel / noskillz / wdm1
[11:48] <Arwen> Skyblast, dunno, rar = fail
[11:48] <sdf_> i installed gcc 4 compiler and i have file in desktop how can i compile it i want the commands
[11:48] <sdf_> ?
[11:48] <sdf_> help
[11:48] <Skyblast> Maybe so, but it's still needed functionality for many people
[11:48] <BluesKaj> cpk1:  EC958 all zeroed ?\
[11:48] <Arwen> sdf_, "man gcc"
[11:48] <balint> Skyblast check if those files arent only-read permitted
[11:49] <Skyblast> I own them and they're on a r/w ext3 drive
[11:49] <balint> if they are read-only than the right cklick menu isnt useable
[11:49] <hsystem-x> did you installed g++ too?
[11:49] <sdf_> arwen:No manual entry for gcc
[11:49] <Arwen> ...
[11:49] <Skyblast> I can extract to the same dir and all that fine in ark... just can't to it with a click like in Edgy
[11:49] <sdf_> arwen: this that i had
[11:49] <Arwen> sdf_, "gcc --help"
[11:50] <cotton> How do i download the java enviroment runtime plugins
[11:50] <acemo> how do i tell grep to return only 1 line?
[11:50] <adaptr> acemo read man, stop at first match
[11:50] <sdf_> arwen:i had command not found
[11:50] <Arwen> cotton, apt-get install sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin
[11:50] <hitmanWilly> bbl
[11:50] <Arwen> sdf_, then your gcc isn't installed
[11:51] <sdf_> arewen :i m sure i installed it
[11:51] <sdf_> arwen*
[11:51] <Arwen> sdf_, try "whereis gcc"
[11:51] <sdf_> arwen:/usr/lib/gcc
[11:51] <sdf_> arwen: this i have it
[11:52] <Arwen> ....your gcc is FAILED
[11:52] <sdf_> what!!
[11:52] <sdf_> arwen:what can i do?
[11:52] <jarn_> After upgrading to Feisty, I have two problems. First, X seems to be ignoring my config file and won't let me raise my refresh rate past 54, even though I can set it higher. Second, anything download through kget gets REALLY slow rates.
[11:52] <Arwen> ask someone else - if you're not smart enough to fix a gcc install problem, you don't need to be compiling anything
[11:53] <Yorokobi> ouch, Arwen.
[11:53] <Arwen> it's true
[11:53] <jarn_> Is that really called for?
[11:53] <cotton> thanks Arwen!!!!!!!!!!!!
[11:53] <sdf_> any one help me?
[11:53] <sdf_> arwen : what do i do now to solve the problem?
[11:53] <shefa> hi 2 all
[11:53] <jarn_> Just because someone is having a problem doesn't mean you need to act like a three-year-old, Arwen.
[11:53] <Arwen> cotton, 1 exclamation point please :-)
[11:54] <shefa> ima li bulgari tuka
[11:54] <Arwen> jarn_, ......he sounds rather like a help vampire
[11:54] <weswh-> doing an upgrade from edgey to fesity using the GUI upgrade tool - will upgrade the kernel as well as install/upgrade packages right?
[11:55] <phoenixbyrd> sdf_ http://man.he.net/?topic=gcc&section=all8
[11:55] <Yorokobi> weswh-, yes
[11:55] <shefa> ima li bulgari tuka
[11:55] <shefa> eho
[11:55] <weswh-> jarn_: just curious if you have made any progress with the issues you had after upgrading?
[11:56] <Yorokobi> !bg | shefa
[11:56] <ubotu> shefa:  #ubuntu-bg    . try #ubuntu-bg for bulgarian users, and please idle there patiently
[11:56] <jarn_> weswh-: Nope.
[11:56] <weswh-> i'm doing an upgrade now, definitely have my fingers crossed. heh
[11:56] <jarn_> weswh-: Good luck. ;)
[11:57] <jarn_> weswh-: The vast majority of people didn't have problems, so you'll probably be fine.
[11:57] <weswh-> yeah, data is backed up...so worst case i'll be downloading the ISO later :P
[11:57] <shefa> uboto
[11:57] <shefa> ama tam nqma nikoi
[11:59] <Daisuke_Ido> ubotu is a bot
[11:59] <ubotu> Yes, I can confirm that I am a bot. http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots for all information.
[11:59] <balint> :( why istn opera working? it loads for a long  time but nithing happens :(:(
[11:59] <Daisuke_Ido> yes yes, ubotu, i was letting HIM know that
[11:59] <shefa> problem with Ati 9200SE
[11:59] <shefa> pls help
[12:00] <balint> anyone had this problem with opera? :(
[12:01] <cotton> Makefile:73: *** Error: unable to find the sources of your current Linux kernel. Specify KERN_DIR=<directory> and run Make again..  Stop.
[12:01] <shefa> ?
[12:01] <weswh-> have you tried logging in/out?
[12:02] <octoberdan> shefa: If you have a question, then ask it
[12:02] <cotton> Arwen: Makefile:73: *** Error: unable to find the sources of your current Linux kernel. Specify KERN_DIR=<directory> and run Make again..  Stop.
[12:03] <Arwen> cotton, dear dear.... what are you trying to do? custom kernel?
[12:03] <cotton> I don't know Arwen, thats the erroe I get when trying to run VirtualBox
[12:03] <cotton> My dear
[12:04] <Arwen> cotton, huh, well, I dunno what to say
[12:04] <cotton> oh
[12:04] <Arwen> if you really do have kernel sources, you could do "export KERN_DIR=<path>"
[12:04] <Arwen> and now it's food time
[12:04] <cotton> FOOD TIME
[12:04] <mark__> same here. i'm starving
[12:04] <Arwen> :-)
[12:05] <levi_> question
[12:05] <levi_> How do I write and modify content on a slave HDD
[12:06] <Daisuke_Ido> question, how do i get konqueror to stop caching thumbnails of every image that passes through it?
[12:07] <levi_> ? not sure but change the view mode?
[12:07] <levi_> I new..
[12:07] <levi_> *im
[12:07] <levi_> but thats my guess
[12:08] <levi_> I mean theres probably an option menu to configure that in the toolbar somewhere..
[12:08] <levi_> I know im not really heloful if youve tried looking already
[12:08] <levi_> *helpful
[12:08] <levi_> xD
[12:09] <Daisuke_Ido> it's okay
[12:09] <Daisuke_Ido> there's a setting, but it just applies to "file"
[12:09] <levi_> would you know anything about..
[12:09] <Daisuke_Ido> i'll see if that's what i'm looking for
[12:09] <Daisuke_Ido> because i'd rather not be killed by my girlfriend...
[12:09] <Daisuke_Ido> >_>
[12:09] <levi_>  writeing and modifying content on a slave HDD
[12:09] <levi_> lol
[12:10] <Daisuke_Ido> what's the filesystem?
[12:10] <levi_> ext2
[12:10] <Daisuke_Ido> and it's mounted
[12:10] <levi_> I tried formatting it
[12:10] <levi_> Yes
[12:10] <levi_> I can acces
[12:10] <levi_> s
[12:10] <Daisuke_Ido> you get permission errors?
[12:10] <levi_> but cant modify or write
[12:10] <levi_> yeah
[12:10] <Daisuke_Ido> pastebin your fstab
[12:11] <levi_> make sense to a noob please...
[12:11] <levi_> xD
[12:11] <Yorokobi> Daisuke_Ido, That was my favourite question from end users, "How do I clear my browser history? My (wife|gf) is coming home soon."
[12:11] <Daisuke_Ido> heh
[12:11] <Daisuke_Ido> Yorokobi: yeah, but this one just doesn't want me drooling over new pc hardware
[12:11] <sayers> what is the bennifit to downloading a dvd?
[12:11] <Yorokobi> heh
[12:11] <Daisuke_Ido> sayers: more packages that wouldn't fit on the cd
[12:12] <sayers> Good packages?
[12:12] <Daisuke_Ido> !pastebin | levi_
[12:12] <ubotu> levi_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[12:12] <Daisuke_Ido> i dunno
[12:12] <Daisuke_Ido> levi_: hit alt+f2 and enter kate /etc/fstab
[12:12] <Yorokobi> *kdesu kate /etc/fstab
[12:12] <Daisuke_Ido> copy the contents of that file to pastebin and submit, then give us the URL :)
[12:12] <Daisuke_Ido> Yorokobi: no, just kate
[12:13] <Daisuke_Ido> no need to modify it yet
[12:13] <Yorokobi> ah, ro on purpose