[12:46] <lifeless> BjornT: are you around?
[01:30] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[01:38] <vprints> Good morning
[02:26] <ubotu> New bug: #110421 in launchpad "Remove HCT" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110421
[02:40] <max_harmony> where's the list of all launchpad teams?
[02:55] <max_harmony> where's the list of all launchpad teams?
[05:00] <micahcowan> Are there any handy firefox search engine add-ons for LP?
[05:02] <mpt> micahcowan, the comments in bug 2132 may be useful
[05:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 2132 in malone "bugs.launchpad.net/NNNN should redirect to appropriate bug page" [Low,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/2132
[05:03] <mpt> but I think our Bugs/Code/Answers search functions are probably too new for people to have developed Firefox add-ins for them yet
[05:08] <micahcowan> Thanks mpt. Probably not quite what I was looking for; guess I'll have to roll my own. Maybe this weekend :)
[07:01] <ubotu> New bug: #110463 in launchpad ""____'s contributions to Free Software" is an overly ambitious title" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110463
[07:57] <fabbione> is launchpad down?
[07:57] <fabbione> i am getting Proxy Error...
[07:58] <mpt> fabbione, yes, I'm calling stub
[07:58] <fabbione> thanks
[08:28] <Fujitsu> Thanks, stub.
[08:42] <fabbione> hmm
[08:42] <fabbione> are the buildd hanging somewhere?
[08:43] <fabbione> wrong chan
[09:09] <carlos> morning
[09:09] <stub> fabbione: quite possibly - there was a db outage before
[09:10] <fabbione> stub: thanks
[09:13] <elmo> stub: I bounced the sequencer for him
[09:14] <stub> ta. I wasn't sure if I could do that with the other bits and pieces running.
[09:20] <elmo> stub: that's why they call me yeehaw-elmo ;-)
[09:27] <fabbione> elmo: ROFL
[10:54] <stub> Launchpad is going down in 15 mins for a code update. Estimated downtime is 10 mins or less.
[12:25] <mthaddon> mrevell: ping
[12:25] <mrevell> mthaddon: pong
[01:17] <habeeb> How are you doing gentlemen?
[01:18] <habeeb> I'm triaging bugs atm, and I want to check the comments I've done to several bugs, to see if the bug reporters answered. Is there a way to do it?
[01:18] <habeeb> Also, how can I change the priority of a bug?
[01:26] <BjornT> habeeb: no, there's no way of getting a list of bugs that you've commented on atm. what you can do is either subscribe yourself to the bug, or assign it to you (until you're done triaging it)
[01:27] <BjornT> habeeb: you have to be a bug contact for a project/distribution in order to change the importance (priority) of a bug.
[01:28] <BjornT> projects usually want only a set of trusted people to change the imortance.
[01:29] <habeeb> I see, sounds logical.
[01:29] <habeeb> Thanks.,
[01:34] <niekie> Hi, I tried resetting my password on LaunchPad because I forgot it, but I don't get any confirmation mail, also, when visiting the password reset page, "no title" is shown at top next to the LaunchPad icon.
[01:34] <niekie> *at the
[01:38] <niekie> Does anybody know if something is up with LaunchPad? Or maybe I'm trying to reset my password in an improper way?
[01:41] <ubotu> New bug: #110520 in launchpad "Ignore - posted in wrong section by accident" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110520
[01:41] <jtv> niekie: there were some problems with the servers yesterday, and there was a bit of downtime today for an upgrade to deal with the problem.
[01:41] <jtv> niekie: so that might be it.
[01:41] <niekie> jtv: ah, ok.
[01:42] <niekie> Guess I'll wait a while, then try again. :)
[01:42] <niekie> Thank you very much for the clarification.
[01:42] <jtv> niekie: and just as a sanity check, another thing that goes wrong a lot with these things in my experience is similar but different email addresses.
[01:43] <niekie> jtv: I entered my e-mail address correctly, as far as I know. :)
[01:43] <jtv> niekie: also of course, any email between addresses/machines that haven't talked for a while can be delayed by a few hours because of greylisting.
[01:43] <niekie> jtv: I see. Though I don't think Gmail does greylisting.
[01:43] <niekie> Not sure, though.
[01:44] <niekie> Anyway, we'll see how it goes.
[01:44] <jtv> I'd guess gmail probably does greylisting, but shares a huuuuge whitelist between all its accounts.
[01:44] <niekie> The "no title" thing seems also wrong there, hehe.
[01:45] <niekie> s/seems also wrong/also seems wrong/
[01:45] <jtv> Chances are some other GMail user got mail from Launchpad recently.  Yes, the "no title" definitely sounds wrong.
[01:45] <jtv> Let me check.
[01:48] <jtv> nikie: hey, you're right.
[01:50] <niekie> jtv: also about the "not getting an e-mail" part? Or you haven't checked that? :)
[01:51] <jtv> nikie: no, that's not something I can check I'm afraid.
[01:51] <jtv> niekie: but I'm reporting a bug.
[01:51] <niekie> :)
[01:52] <jtv> niekie: for various reasons this is not a page that people normally see while testing
[01:52] <niekie> jtv: hehe.
[01:54] <jtv> niekie: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/110526
[01:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 110526 in launchpad "Password reset page has no title" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[01:55] <niekie> :)
[01:55] <niekie> Now let's hope no other bug has to be filed about the password reset actually working, and it's just broken temporarily :)
[01:55] <jtv> Thanks for bringing it up.  For the password reset...  Please just try again!
[01:56] <niekie> jtv: try again now? :)
[01:56] <BjornT> niekie: you should try resetting your password again. i just tried, and got the e-mail a few seconds later (to a gmail account)
[01:56] <niekie> We have sent you an email with instructions to reset your password.
[01:56] <niekie> Let's see. :)
[01:56] <niekie> Ah, got it now.
[01:56] <niekie> Awesome.
[01:57] <niekie> Thanks for your help, jtv and BjornT.
[01:58] <jtv> Not at all, sir
[02:05] <ubotu> New bug: #110526 in launchpad "Password reset page has no title" [Low,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110526
[03:11] <dqdev> hello there. If some LP admin is listening, I would like some help with merging 2 LP accounts :$
[03:17] <Hobbsee> dqdev: file a support request.  https://launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion
[03:17] <Hobbsee> dqdev: do you have email access to the other one?
[03:20] <dqdev>  Hobbsee:  which other one?
[03:20] <dqdev> Hobbsee: the support request is only 1 line and the situation is a little bit complicated
[03:20] <dqdev> Hobbsee: i sent an email to the mailing list
[03:20] <Hobbsee> ie, if you want foo to merge in with bar, do you have access to foo's email address?
[03:21] <Hobbsee> mailing list != support tracker
[03:21] <Hobbsee> how's it complicated?
[03:21] <dqdev> Hobbsee: Let me show you a pastebin
[03:21] <kiko-afk> :)
[03:21] <Hobbsee> hi kiko-afk 
[03:22] <dqdev> Hobbsee: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17952/
[03:23] <Hobbsee> dqdev: ah yes, tahts' easy
[03:23] <Hobbsee> dqdev: so the one you want to keep has the correct email address?
[03:23] <Hobbsee> or does that one have the wrong email address?
[03:23] <dqdev> exactly. the other one was automatically created after they uploaded a fix of mine
[03:24] <dqdev> https://launchpad.net/~dqdev that's the correct one
[03:24] <Hobbsee> ah yes, that's no problem
[03:24] <dqdev> where I want to merge everything
[03:24] <dqdev> and dk-dqdev is the wrong one, which was automatically created
[03:24] <Hobbsee> just write on the support tracker that you want to merge dk-dqdev into dqdev, but dont have access to that email address.  they'll see it in the next few days, and do it :)
[03:24] <Hobbsee> yep, yep
[03:25] <Hobbsee> (however, if you did have access to that email, you could merge it yourself)
[03:26] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:26] <Hobbsee> in the other case, if the original (keep) one had a botched email, you could just login and change it
[03:28] <dqdev> Hobbsee: thanks!
[03:28] <Hobbsee> dqdev: :)
[03:28] <Hobbsee> no problem
[03:34] <danohuiginn> There's no way to sort bugs alphabetically in LP. Is that correct?
[04:47] <pochu> does bug comment gives you karma?
[04:48] <carlos> pochu: yes, it does
[04:48] <pochu> https://beta.launchpad.net/~dqdev/+karma
[04:49] <pochu> then you have a bug :p
[04:54] <chaks> hi all
[04:54] <chaks> with launchpad can i upload and maintain project version files or i need to redirect to sourceforge or any other link?
[04:57] <pochu> chaks: you can
[04:57] <pochu> with bzr :)
[04:58] <pochu> carlos: have you seen that? ^ I can file a bug if it's worth.
[04:58] <chaks> oh
[04:59] <pochu> chaks: or you can use an external repository, and link to it, so launchpad checkouts it, AFAIK
[04:59] <carlos> chaks: we have plans to add file hosting on Launchpad, but we don't have it available yet
[04:59] <pochu> chaks: but bzr works pretty well, IMHO :)
[04:59] <chaks> carlos, thats an excellent addon to launchpad !
[04:59] <salgado> chaks, you mean release tarballs or storing the actual source in a VCS?
[04:59] <carlos> chaks: as pochu pointed to you, we host bazaar repositories
[04:59] <salgado> pochu, what would be the bug?
[05:00] <chaks> salgado, tarballs
[05:00] <carlos> pochu: why do we have a bug?
[05:00] <carlos> there you have log entries as comments added
[05:00] <pochu> salgado: he has commented on some bug reports (as you can see) some days ago, but he doesn't have any karma in the Bug section
[05:00] <pochu> carlos: but no karma
[05:00] <salgado> chaks, so, as carlos said, this is something we don't support right now, but it's being implemented already
[05:01] <chaks> nice to hear salgado :)
[05:01] <chaks> right now let me start it on sourceforge
[05:01] <chaks> anyways launchpad entry is done
[05:02] <carlos> pochu: hmmm, karma is calculated daily, the other contributions are quite small so maybe he lost those karma points already ...
[05:02] <carlos> salgado: the account at https://beta.launchpad.net/~dqdev/+karma
[05:02] <pochu> chaks: in the meantime you can use lp for bug reports and vcs, and sf for tarballs, if you want :)
[05:03] <pochu> carlos: maybe :)
[05:03] <carlos> has three bug comments added 4 days ago and no karma earned yet
[05:03] <chaks> pochu, yes
[05:03] <salgado> commenting on bugs gives 0 points of karma today
[05:04] <pochu> oh, then no karma :)
[05:04] <pochu> that explains it :)
[05:04] <pochu> thanks salgado, carlos!
[05:05] <carlos> salgado: oh, didn't know that
[05:05] <carlos> pochu: so we track it but we don't give points :-)
[05:06] <salgado> right, but since we track it, we may decide later that it's actually worth some points and change it
[05:06] <salgado> then everybody will automatically get the points for the comments already made
[05:06] <Hobbsee> salgado: why?
[05:06] <Hobbsee> to the no karma for bug comments?
[05:07] <dqdev> Hobbsee: most important is the karma to debdiff uploads
[05:07] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[05:07] <dqdev> Hobbsee: (which involve some work)
[05:07] <Hobbsee> true
[05:07] <salgado> Hobbsee, I don't know. I only found out it gives 0 points now
[05:07] <Hobbsee> ahh
[05:08] <chaks> thanks
[05:10] <dqdev> Hobbsee: Want to sponsor my Bug #53036 ?
[05:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 53036 in graveman "Graveman isn't placed in the same menu as other burning applications" [Wishlist,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/53036 - Assigned to Dimitris Kiousis (dqdev)
[05:17] <cprov-afk> pochu: soon, during the gutsy development cycle, possibly. Check UDS decisions.
[05:18] <pochu> cprov-afk: cool :)
[05:18] <pochu> btw, I'm subscribed to both the bug report and the blueprint :)
[05:19] <cprov> pochu: nice, keep in touch.
[05:19] <pochu> yeah, will do!
[05:19] <pochu> let me know if you need to test it ;)
[05:20] <Adri2000> what about the ClosingBugsFromChangelog spec?
[05:21] <pochu> hey Adri2000
[05:21] <Adri2000> hi pochu :)
[05:21] <cprov> Adri2000: BjornT is on it.
[05:22] <Adri2000> cool
[05:24] <pochu> go BjornT!
[06:00] <ubotu> New bug: #110586 in launchpad-answers "Old term used in link a question to bug report page" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110586
[06:02] <elkbuntu> mrevell, guess what time it is.. :)
[06:02] <mrevell> elkbuntu: Time for me to do my session?
[06:02] <elkbuntu> indeed
[06:02] <mrevell> elkbuntu: Thanks,I know, on my way :)
[06:08] <matsubara> LaserJock: ping
[06:28] <Adri2000> https://beta.launchpad.net/~motu/+mentoring typo spotted: "but dn't have time"
[06:31] <matsubara> Adri2000: care to file a bug please?
[06:31] <Adri2000> doing it now
[06:32] <matsubara> Adri2000: thanks
[06:42] <LaserJock> matsubara: sorry, was afk, check pm
[06:44] <bdmurray> BjornT: is the syntax of the duplicate e-mail command just duplicate BUGNUMBER ?
[06:45] <ubotu> New bug: #110594 in launchpad "Typo in ~$team/+mentoring" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110594
[06:48] <matsubara> bdmurray: i don't think there's a duplicate email command yet.  unless if it was recently committed
[06:50] <matsubara> bdmurray: nm me, just found the bug where BjornT said it was committed on r4137
[06:51] <bdmurray> matsubara: yeah, I'm excited to test it
[06:52] <matsubara> bdmurray: checking the diff the command, you seem to be right, the command is duplicate bugnumber
[06:52] <bdmurray> matsubara: cool, thanks for checking
[06:53] <bdmurray> matsubara: I tested with 110447 and it worked as advertised
[06:54] <bdmurray> Should I submit a bug about updating help.launchpad.net ?
[06:56] <BjornT> bdmurray: thanks for reminding me :) no need to submit a bug, i'll update it now.
[06:56] <matsubara> bdmurray: I can update it. I'll grab some lunch and when I get back I'll fix it.
[06:59] <bdmurray> okay, thanks
[07:01] <Schalken> My question from the OW session: QUESTION: What is the essential difference between filing a bug on a package in launchpad and filing a bug on the developers own bug tracking system?
[07:02] <Schalken> mrevell: ^
[07:02] <mrevell> BjornT: ping ^^^^^^
[07:03] <mrevell> Schalken: THanks for joining us. BjornT is probably the best person to answer this.
[07:03] <mrevell> or matsubara-lunch
[07:04] <mrevell> Schalken: My answer to that question would be: if you file a bug in Launchpad, against a project that has its own bug tracker, you're more than likely filing the bug against Ubuntu's package of that project.
[07:05] <mrevell> Schalken: However, some projects now use Launchpad as their main bug tracker, such as Zope or Jokosher.
[07:05] <mrevell> Schalken: Let's take OpenOffice as an example.
[07:05] <mrevell> Schalken: If you file a bug against OpenOffice in Launchpad, you're filing it against the Ubuntu package of OpenOffice.
[07:06] <mrevell> Schalken: That will let the Ubuntu OpenOffice team know about the bug. They can then file it with OpenOffice directly (or upstream, as we call it) if it's a problem with OpenOffice itself and not with the Ubuntu packaging of OpenOffice.
[07:06] <mrevell> Schalken: Does that answer your question?
[07:07] <Schalken> mrevell: should generally file bugs on launchpad then?
[07:07] <Schalken> should users generally*
[07:07] <mrevell> Schalken: If they find the bug whilst using Ubuntu, then yes.
[07:08] <mrevell> Schalken: Or one of the Ubuntu family, such as Kubuntu or Edubunut.
[07:08] <mrevell> er, that should be Edubuntu, or course :)
[07:08] <Schalken> mrevell: is there any case where they should definately file it against the developers system instead?
[07:09] <mrevell> Schalken: Well, if the person knows for sure that it's a problem with the original developer's code and not with the Ubuntu packaging of it, then I'd recommend filing it both with the developers and with Ubuntu.
[07:09] <mrevell> Schalken: and then link the two with a bug watch in Launchpad.
[07:09] <mrevell> Schalken: A bug watch is where Launchpad tracks the progress of a bug in an external tracker.
[07:10] <mrevell> Schalken: If you're uncertain, you could always ask the Ubuntu bugs team.
[07:10] <Schalken> mrevell: is that where the comments are shared?
[07:10] <Schalken> (or did i misread that somewhere?)
[07:10] <mrevell> Schalken: Launchpad doesn't track the comment history of bugs in external trackers. Instead, it tracks the status of those bugs and gives you an easy link to that bug in the external tracker.
[07:10] <mrevell> Schalken: However
[07:11] <mrevell> Schalken: If there's a bug that affects two projects, and they both use Launchpad as their bug tracker, then yeah they share a comment history.
[07:12] <Schalken> mrevell: i see. so while launchpad is a large system to foster software development, it isnt designed to interfere with other people's syetms.
[07:12] <Schalken> thanks for your response!
[07:12] <mrevell> Schalken: Yeha, that's a good way of putting it. We don't want to force data on other people.
[07:12] <mrevell> Schalken: No problems :)
[07:17] <rdale> hi, I just registed a project on launchpad, but I've been told i got the name wrong. Is it possible to change the url, before we actually do anything?
[07:21] <mrevell> rdale: To request a change to a project name, you need to file a support request at:
[07:21] <mrevell> rdale: https://answers.beta.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion
[07:21] <rdale> oh, bother - thanks a lot
[07:22] <mrevell> rdale: Ping me if you want to chase it.
[07:23] <rdale> I got "This site is accessible by launchpad admins and members of the Launchpad Beta Testers team only."
[07:29] <matsubara-lunch> rdale: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion
[07:30] <rdale> thanks, i've added a question about changing the url now
[08:35] <bdmurray> matsubara: do you how patient I should be (how long to wait) when making a bug change via e-mail?
[08:37] <matsubara> bdmurray:  around 5 min I think.
[08:39] <matsubara> bdmurray: bug 54369 might interest you (although it's not related to bug edits, only filing new bugs.)
[08:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 54369 in malone "New bugs filed using the email interface should bypass the mail digest" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/54369
[08:47] <matsubara> bdmurray: hmm wait, you mean how long you have to wait until your changes using the email interface appear in the web ui?
[08:49] <matsubara> bdmurray: I think they happen as soon as LP receives the email, but the changes notification takes 5 or so minutes to be delivered.
[08:49] <bdmurray> matsubara: yeah that was my question
[08:49] <bdmurray> I'm still playing with the duplicate feature
[08:51] <matsubara> bdmurray: having problems with it? is lp not accepting your changes?
[08:52] <bdmurray> matsubara: it might have been something with my mail client
[08:52] <bdmurray> I was sending to 11 different bugs with the same comment and it didn't work out
[08:52] <bdmurray> s/11/9/
[08:53] <bdmurray> I split it up into 4 and 5 and it did though
[08:53] <bdmurray> anyway, I'm late for lunch bbiab
[08:56] <matsubara> bdmurray: hmm so far there's nothing in the error logs re email processing failures
[09:12] <zoohouse> How many mb can one use when attaching a file in a bug report?
[09:20] <ubotu> New bug: #110628 in launchpad "gpg validation email mentions a launchpad@ubuntu.com email" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110628
[09:37] <mtaylor> hey - is there any way to affect bug status using commit comments in a particular bazaar branch? 
[09:38] <kiko> mtaylor, you should ask jml!
[09:38] <kiko> but RSN <tm>
[09:39] <mtaylor> kiko: cool - thanks
[09:45] <ubotu> New bug: #110633 in launchpad "Define a request parameters API that checks the param types" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110633
[11:55] <ubotu> New bug: #110658 in malone "Whitespace is not stripped on Bug Search form." [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110658