| Mithrandir | yay, lib* done | 12:13 |
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| Fujitsu | Mithrandir: How long does this all generally take to build? | 12:15 |
| Mithrandir | Fujitsu: I don't know, a week maybe? | 12:15 |
| cjwatson | usually not that long IIRC | 12:16 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: remember that etch released some time ago, so Debian will have quite an influx of new versions of stuff. | 12:16 |
| Mithrandir | oh well, anyway, it'll take a while. | 12:17 |
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| cjwatson | true | 12:19 |
| geser | we have 6 months to get it build :) | 12:20 |
| Mithrandir | heh | 12:20 |
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| Mithrandir | cjwatson: the sync process seems to be going quite happily. I think I'll just head off for the night and run process-incoming in the morning. It's either that or cancel it now and run process-incoming now. | 12:22 |
| infinity | Mithrandir: Best to wait until doko's fixed the python mess. | 12:22 |
| infinity | Mithrandir: So we don't have to retry the world on sparc/powerpc. | 12:23 |
| Fujitsu | infinity's alive! | 12:23 |
| infinity | Fujitsu: Am not. | 12:23 |
| lifeless | but are you countable ? | 12:23 |
| Mithrandir | infinity: that too. | 12:24 |
| Mithrandir | oh, I shouldn't have said that about it running fine. | 12:24 |
| Fujitsu | Mithrandir: It just imploded? | 12:24 |
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| Mithrandir | yes, fell over on mol. | 12:24 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: *nod* | 12:24 |
| Mithrandir | which it really, really shouldn't. | 12:24 |
| Mithrandir | well, blacklisted, bed. | 12:24 |
| geser | infinity: any progress on bug #87077? | 12:25 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 87077 in launchpad-buildd "The build of xmms2 fails because of HASH(0x82db558)="" in the environment" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87077 | 12:25 |
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| BenC | Can I get linux-source processed through NEW for gutsy please? | 01:04 |
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| cjwatson | BenC: source accepted | 01:13 |
| BenC | cjwatson: thanks...I've got lrm uploading too, if you'll be around in 15 minutes | 01:13 |
| cjwatson | unlikely | 01:14 |
| cjwatson | it'd have to wait for the main kernel to build anyway | 01:14 |
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| jcole | on ubuntu feisty, this site crashes firefox -> http://www.crashie.com | 02:00 |
| jcole | $ firefox http://www.crashie.com | 02:01 |
| jcole | /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/firefox/components/libmyspell.so: undefined symbol: _ZN8Hunspell5spellEPKc | 02:01 |
| jcole | it's *supposed* to crash ie, but it also crashes ubuntu firefox | 02:03 |
| lifeless | lol | 02:04 |
| lifeless | bug compatability | 02:04 |
| jcole | mozilla (aka iceape) works perfectly fine | 02:04 |
| BenC | jcole: doesn't for me | 02:04 |
| jcole | from the mozilla devs: | 02:05 |
| jcole | (04:59:22 PM) bz: talk to whoever built your Firefox | 02:05 |
| jcole | (04:59:25 PM) bz: they screwed up | 02:05 |
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| jcole | same thing | 02:06 |
| bhale | who did build your firefox? | 02:06 |
| bhale | because it does no such thing here | 02:06 |
| jcole | came from pool/main/f/firefox/firefox_2.0.0.3+1-0ubuntu2_i386.deb | 02:07 |
| lifeless | bhale: do you have that myspell.so ? | 02:07 |
| bhale | lifeless: nope. | 02:08 |
| jcole | $ dpkg -L firefox | grep libmyspell.so | 02:09 |
| jcole | /usr/lib/firefox/components/libmyspell.so | 02:09 |
| bhale | lifeless: actually, i do. | 02:09 |
| bhale | heh | 02:09 |
| lifeless | ldd and nm are your friends at this point | 02:10 |
| lifeless | find where that symbol is coming from | 02:10 |
| Nafallo | nafallo@silverfairy:~ $ LANG="C" grep _ZN8Hunspell5spellEPKc /usr/lib/firefox/components/libmyspell.so | 02:11 |
| Nafallo | Binary file /usr/lib/firefox/components/libmyspell.so matches | 02:11 |
| Nafallo | so far so good | 02:11 |
| jcole | $ md5sum /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin /usr/lib/firefox/components/libmyspell.so | 02:14 |
| jcole | 10c64c95e06cff7f6b8994070ddd2a64 /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin | 02:14 |
| jcole | 5d8c9da487f3c07ea486281200e9d7d6 /usr/lib/firefox/components/libmyspell.so | 02:14 |
| jcole | Nafallo: ^^^ is that the same on your system? | 02:14 |
| Nafallo | yes | 02:15 |
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| ubotu | Launchpad bug 107340 in firefox "[EDGY] firefox crashed [@ mozSpellChecker::GetCurrentDictionary] [@ mozSpellI18NManagerConstructor] " [High,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107340 | 02:16 |
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| mario | hi jdong | 04:45 |
| jdong | hi mario | 04:46 |
| jdong | how's things? | 04:46 |
| mario | bad :( I'm sick, and have high temperature, and I gotta work :( | 04:46 |
| jdong | aww, sorry to hear that | 04:46 |
| jdong | I've got something that will make you feel even worse..... | 04:46 |
| jdong | /dev/sdb1 on /mnt type reiser4 (rw,noatime,nodiratime) | 04:46 |
| jdong | LOL | 04:47 |
| mario | heh :P | 04:47 |
| mario | how is it going ? :) | 04:47 |
| jdong | it's only been 15 minutes with it.... but I must say I am impressed | 04:47 |
| mario | hehe, is that stable enough? | 04:47 |
| jdong | I'm rsyncing my root to it as a benchmark | 04:47 |
| jdong | I know XFS took 1h45m to do this task | 04:48 |
| jdong | so far it's been 15m and it's already like 40% done | 04:48 |
| mario | nice, but watch out for reliability | 04:48 |
| jdong | I know, I know, that will be a long term judgement | 04:48 |
| jdong | I did two power-off tests | 04:48 |
| jdong | actually, unplug USB tests. | 04:48 |
| jdong | a 300MB TV episode | 04:48 |
| jdong | copied a second 350MB one into it. | 04:48 |
| jdong | (overwrite) | 04:48 |
| jdong | pulled out disk 15 seconds later | 04:49 |
| jdong | after a mount, md5sum matches original 300MB episode | 04:49 |
| jdong | very impressive considering it writes at raw speed of the device (30MB/s) | 04:49 |
| jdong | it will be interesting to see how long term stability is.... | 04:49 |
| jdong | and also if it has any severe weaknesses | 04:49 |
| mario | nod^^ | 04:49 |
| jdong | but I plan to test that over the course of the next few weeks | 04:50 |
| jdong | I used reiser4 on 2.6.8 when it was first released, while running Gentoo | 04:50 |
| jdong | (before Ubuntu days...) | 04:50 |
| jdong | I liked it back then, but found in Ubuntu rolling my own kernel was too much work | 04:50 |
| mario | I know when 2.6.8 was :P | 04:50 |
| jdong | lol, I'm sorry I'm belittling you :P | 04:50 |
| mario | it was when jorg started complaining that kernel devs are filtering all the scsi stuff :P | 04:50 |
| jdong | have you heard of this KDE thing? I've heard like it's another operating system on Linux or something. ;-) | 04:51 |
| jdong | LOL | 04:51 |
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| mario | aggresive filtering was introduced in .8 and .9, it was fine-tuned since then, but oh well | 04:51 |
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| mario | jdong, what's KDE? Never heard of that toy. | 04:52 |
| jdong | lol | 04:52 |
| jdong | I do notice that reiser4 uses pretty high CPU compared to other FS'es | 04:52 |
| jdong | this rsync is using like 30% of one core | 04:52 |
| jdong | but CPU usage for blazing fast IO? I'm willing to make that tradeoff | 04:52 |
| jdong | I just wish one could buy more IO speed for more CPU :D | 04:53 |
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| Hobbsee | hi | 05:32 |
| jsgotangco | hey Hobbsee | 05:36 |
| Hobbsee | hi spam :) | 05:37 |
| Hobbsee | how's it going? | 05:37 |
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| jsgotangco | ah well just waiting for lunch really | 05:37 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 05:37 |
| ajmitch | hey Hobbsee | 05:42 |
| Hobbsee | hi ajmitch | 05:42 |
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| fabbione | morning | 06:16 |
| ajmitch | morning fabbione | 06:22 |
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| Amaranth | tepsipakki: is xlib going to use xcb again in gutsy? | 07:03 |
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| fabbione | what's the equivalen of if [ -n "$var" ] in perl? | 07:16 |
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| Seveas | fabbione, something like 'if $var =~ m/.+/' would do it but there probabl are better ways :) | 07:24 |
| fabbione | Seveas: thanks | 07:27 |
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| mpt | I have sound again! | 07:37 |
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| tepsipakki | Amaranth: yes, although you should ask bryce about X in the future ;) | 07:39 |
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| Amaranth | X is the new firefox! | 07:39 |
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| tepsipakki | Amaranth: meaning.. ? | 07:56 |
| Amaranth | tepsipakki: you touch it you own it, the person responsible for it changes all the time :) | 07:57 |
| tepsipakki | ah, ok :) | 07:57 |
| elkbuntu | ok who's the meanie that stole launchpad and wiki this time? :( | 07:58 |
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| fabbione | elkbuntu: they are already working on it :) | 07:59 |
| fabbione | see #launchpad | 08:00 |
| Mithrandir | heh, I get "argument list too long" when I try to move all the syncs. :-P | 08:00 |
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| fabbione | Mithrandir: did you make LP explode.. didn't you? | 08:03 |
| Mithrandir | no, I didn't. I might make it explode now. | 08:04 |
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| qiyong | why ntfs is read only? why not rw? | 08:18 |
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| Fujitsu | !ntfs | qiyong | 08:21 |
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| qiyong | Fujitsu, ubotu hungs | 08:26 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 08:27 |
| Fujitsu | Hi pitti. | 08:27 |
| ajmitch | hey pitti | 08:28 |
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| ubotu | qiyong: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse | 08:33 |
| sponix | anyone care about my ATI Radeon X1400 not working with Feisty (X7.2) like it did with 6.10 (X7.1) | 08:33 |
| sladen | sponix: regression? what's the bug number? | 08:34 |
| sponix | sladen: not sure if its filed, just thought I'd bring it up | 08:34 |
| tepsipakki | sponix: 89853 | 08:34 |
| sladen | sponix: if it's not filed, then nobody will have seen it | 08:34 |
| sponix | had to install 55Meg ATI commercial driver from a thumbdrive to continue the installer :P | 08:34 |
| sponix | tepsipakki: ok, so its being worked already ? | 08:35 |
| tepsipakki | yes, sort of | 08:35 |
| jdong | it is a known bug.... | 08:35 |
| sladen | bug #89853 | 08:35 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 89853 in xorg-server "[regression] 7.2 broke vesa: "No matching modes found"" [High,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89853 | 08:35 |
| sponix | well, X is to blame, openSuSE has the same issue with 7.2 | 08:35 |
| Treenaks | We really really need a new/better ati driver 8) | 08:36 |
| sponix | is it just my X1400 ati card, or several cards ? | 08:36 |
| === Treenaks looks at HIS pet bug | ||
| jdong | the whole X1x00 line | 08:36 |
| tepsipakki | it's a bug in the server | 08:37 |
| sponix | I go to ATI (amd), and hit the feedback all the time, and state "your drivers still blow, and you need to make a good opensource one" | 08:38 |
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| sponix | honestly I felt that was pretty straight forward :P | 08:38 |
| tepsipakki | fedora has a patch for it, but when combined with a patch for the driver it makes the server to crash | 08:38 |
| jdong | sponix: from a company who wants to enforce DRM by locking the framebuffer, I would not waste your breath on AMD. | 08:38 |
| tepsipakki | maybe it's time to upload new server&vesa to feisty-proposed | 08:39 |
| jdong | I hope their $600m quarterly losses trend continues until they realize what their consumers want | 08:39 |
| jdong | wow... I'm cold today :) | 08:39 |
| sponix | jdong: yeah, I use to hate Intel (wintel) for siding with Microsoft on so many things, but lately with the ATI/AMD merge, I'm looking more at the rare Intel/Nvidia boxen | 08:39 |
| sladen | tepsipakki: does that fix it, or just make things crash? | 08:39 |
| sponix | speaking of, is that intel 950 chip worth a shit, I see it in a bunch of laptops now | 08:39 |
| jdong | sponix: intell is OSS friendly.... | 08:39 |
| sladen | sponix: Intel have the best Linux/Open drivers you'll get | 08:40 |
| jdong | sponix: and the GMA950 is the start of a better trend in GPU power | 08:40 |
| jdong | sponix: it's still not spectacular, but the GMA x3000 is due to be out this quarter | 08:40 |
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| jdong | and next year's montavena is bringing even a better GMA | 08:40 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: can you please give-back hal on powerpc and sparc? it failed due to a python package inconsistency, but it looks fine now | 08:41 |
| jdong | Treenaks: via_sata has always been buggy for me | 08:41 |
| sponix | wtf is a GMA ? | 08:41 |
| jdong | at the BIOS level | 08:41 |
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| Treenaks | jdong: no, I mean unichrome :) | 08:41 |
| Treenaks | jdong: the X thing | 08:41 |
| jdong | sponix: "graphics media accelerator" | 08:41 |
| sponix | so, I shouldn't be scared of getting a laptop with an intel video chip aye | 08:41 |
| jdong | a video card, in other words. | 08:41 |
| jdong | you should welcome Intel video | 08:41 |
| jdong | one of the best 100% OSS video cards | 08:41 |
| sponix | heard of gpu.. never gma :P | 08:41 |
| jdong | GMA is intel's branding | 08:41 |
| jdong | Intel GMA950 | 08:41 |
| jdong | actually it's the Intel 945GMA | 08:41 |
| jdong | yay marketing bling | 08:42 |
| jdong | the more terms, the more likely people will say it? | 08:42 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: likewise avahi | 08:42 |
| jdong | and maybe your nickname for AMD should be amDRM too :D | 08:42 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: doing | 08:43 |
| tepsipakki | sladen: drpping the vesa-patch and adding one to server seems to work for at least some of the reporters | 08:43 |
| tepsipakki | +o | 08:43 |
| sponix | jdong: thanks for the info | 08:44 |
| jdong | not a problem | 08:44 |
| sponix | crap I got right now doesn't even do beryl | 08:45 |
| jdong | yes it does | 08:45 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: both given back | 08:45 |
| jdong | set up Xgl | 08:45 |
| jdong | but this is very OT | 08:45 |
| sponix | OT ? | 08:45 |
| jdong | fwiw I have an x1400 mobile and have been running Xgl and Beryl since Dapper | 08:45 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: thanks | 08:45 |
| jdong | off topic... this is a developer channel | 08:46 |
| jdong | for development related topics | 08:46 |
| sponix | jdong: fair enough, good to know anyway | 08:46 |
| jdong | yep :) | 08:46 |
| \sh | hmmmm...I just received an email from LP about my expiration of core-dev membership...and now I have to talk to the team admin ;) which is sabdfl... what is the correct way? talking to the tb on the 5th of may during the normal meeting, or talking to sabdfl? | 08:46 |
| sponix | I normally am off topic, thats why #ubuntu-offtopic is my main channel :P | 08:47 |
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| sladen | tepsipakki: ping me when it's up and I'll test it here (Intel) | 08:47 |
| jdong | tepsipakki: same goes; I have the affected x1400 ; be glad to test | 08:48 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: have you seen the new gnome disk manager? | 08:48 |
| tepsipakki | sladen: you have problems with intel? This isn't for you, then ;) | 08:48 |
| sponix | jdong: did you do the same thing I did, boot from CD, install commercial driver from thumbdrive, and proceed ? :) | 08:48 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: not yet; I hope it's more sensible than the old disks-admin | 08:48 |
| jdong | sponix: nope, I grabbed it from the repositories :) | 08:48 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: http://flomertens.free.fr/disk-manager/features.html , but you probably already have the URL. | 08:49 |
| tepsipakki | jdong: http://users.tkk.fi/~tjaalton/dpkg, grab the latest vesa and server | 08:49 |
| sponix | jdong: sadly enough, I'm in Iraq on a _very_ restricted net most of the time, I have issues pulling anything :P | 08:49 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: might be nice to investigate and see how it fits in with the rest of our stack. | 08:49 |
| tepsipakki | how do I get a people.u.c account? | 08:49 |
| jdong | tepsipakki: will do... tomorrow... bed time | 08:49 |
| sponix | jdong: speaking of, is there anyway I could get you to tarball ndiswrapper and all its deps (ndisgtk as well) for me ? | 08:49 |
| sponix | jdong: I really want to get Feisty up to speed, but without ndiswrapper I'm shot, only open net I have is wireless | 08:50 |
| fabbione | tepsipakki: i don't think it's possible at the moment but you can try asking to our sysadmins | 08:50 |
| tepsipakki | fabbione: something b0rked? | 08:51 |
| Mithrandir | tepsipakki: currently, you don't, it's canonical employees only. I'm not sure if we're looking at changing that, but maybe we should. | 08:51 |
| fabbione | tepsipakki: what Mithrandir said | 08:51 |
| tepsipakki | oh, I thought it was for core-devs | 08:51 |
| ajmitch | I think it's come up at TB meetings in the past | 08:51 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: thanks; I'll take a look at it a bit later | 08:51 |
| tepsipakki | nevermind then :) | 08:51 |
| sponix | jdong: could I msg && bother you for a bit ? | 08:51 |
| Mithrandir | ajmitch: do you know if it has been resolved one way or the other? | 08:52 |
| ajmitch | Mithrandir: I don't think it was | 08:52 |
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| Fujitsu | My recollection is that it was left unresolved. | 08:55 |
| ajmitch | it was, I just found the logs from that meeting | 08:56 |
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| Fujitsu | ajmitch: Which meeting was it? | 08:56 |
| ajmitch | october 10 | 08:57 |
| ajmitch | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Technical-2006-10-10 | 08:57 |
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| sladen | tepsipakki: the best you can do at the moment is scp stuff to bazaar.launchpad.net | 09:03 |
| Mithrandir | it seems like the consensus from that discussion was "we should provide an upload area, mdz will follow up with sysadmins" | 09:05 |
| Fujitsu | I haven't seen anything further on that topic. | 09:06 |
| Mithrandir | see the lines from 16:32:09 to 16:34:30 | 09:06 |
| Fujitsu | Mithrandir: Yeah... Do you know if anything happened with regard to that? | 09:07 |
| Mithrandir | I haven't seen anything, no. Somebody could ask mdz when he shows up if there has been any conclusion on it. | 09:07 |
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| pitti | grep: /usr/lib/libcairo.la: No such file or directory | 09:18 |
| pitti | erk, seeeb | 09:18 |
| Mithrandir | no, it's a bug in something shipping a .la file but failing to depend on libcairo | 09:19 |
| Mithrandir | +-dev | 09:19 |
| pitti | right, I'm just not sure where to start looking; so I'll just check all the 230423 build deps of gnome-mount | 09:19 |
| Mithrandir | I think we should try to get rid of all .la files this cycle. | 09:20 |
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| pitti | hey seb218 | 09:46 |
| pitti | hey seb128, too | 09:46 |
| seb128 | hey pitti ;) | 09:46 |
| pitti | for i in range(129): print "hello seb" + i | 09:46 |
| pitti | str(), but anyway | 09:46 |
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| ion_ | 0.upto 128 do |i| puts "hello seb#{i}" end | 10:01 |
| ion_ | puts "hello pitti, too" | 10:01 |
| pitti | hi ion_ | 10:01 |
| fabbione | MA VIENIIII!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 10:02 |
| fabbione | eh whops | 10:02 |
| fabbione | wrong chan | 10:02 |
| fabbione | sorry | 10:02 |
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| vciaglia | fabbione: loool. I can understand! :) | 10:04 |
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| mario_ | hi folks | 10:04 |
| ion_ | Hi mario | 10:05 |
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| saispo | hi :) | 10:06 |
| seb128 | lu saispo | 10:07 |
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| \sh | I have bootup problem with udev and ldap (on dapper). | 10:54 |
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| stub | Launchpad is going down in 15 mins for a code update. Estimated downtime is 10 mins or less. | 10:54 |
| \sh | udevd is starting, and trying to lookup users, our user base is ldap and compat (reading nsswitch.conf), now, network is not configured and udevd tries round about 5 mins to lookup the user...how can I disable nsswitch user lookup via ldap for udev only? | 10:55 |
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| ajmitch | use 'compat ldap' instead of 'ldap compat'? | 10:55 |
| \sh | ajmitch, already using | 10:55 |
| ajmitch | or a libnss-ldap that has sane timeouts | 10:55 |
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| pitti | mvo: FYI, I'm grabbing your ucf merge since I need it for dovecot; unless you are already at it? | 10:56 |
| \sh | bug 51315 | 10:56 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 51315 in libnss-ldap "udevd: nss_ldap: failed to bind to LDAP server" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51315 | 10:56 |
| ajmitch | which was pretty much just for edgy | 10:57 |
| cjwatson | ensure that any users needed by udev are in /etc/passwd? | 10:58 |
| \sh | cjwatson, well, which user is not in /etc/passwd for udev? | 10:58 |
| cjwatson | or groups in /etc/group | 10:58 |
| mvo | pitti: feel free, I have not started with them yet, just make sure the debconf stuff that I added is still there afterwards :) | 10:58 |
| cjwatson | \sh: I don't know; you're the one with the failing system | 10:58 |
| \sh | cjwatson, for udev all users should be in /etc/passwd | 10:59 |
| pitti | mvo: did you send that to Debian? the latest version doesn't have it | 10:59 |
| ajmitch | \sh: iirc nvram was one | 10:59 |
| \sh | ajmitch, yeah, just trying to fix it with this grou | 10:59 |
| \sh | but at least it's a bug then ;) | 10:59 |
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| pitti | mvo: argh, this is a hell of a diff | 10:59 |
| mvo | pitti: can you give me the url? I have a look, my initial patch was quite small IIRC | 11:00 |
| pitti | mvo: no URL, I just apt-get source'd our, Debian's, and the debian-snapshot base version and debdiffed | 11:00 |
| pitti | mvo: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/tmp/ucf-ubuntu.diff | 11:01 |
| pitti | mvo: it doesn't look very ubuntu specific AFAICS | 11:02 |
| \sh | ajmitch, it was nvram group missing in /etc/group | 11:02 |
| \sh | this group has to be added to the default | 11:02 |
| mvo | pitti: no, I send it to debian but got no feedback | 11:02 |
| mvo | pitti: its pretty important for upgrades with anything that uses a GUI | 11:03 |
| mvo | (synaptic, adept, u-m, ...) | 11:03 |
| pitti | mvo: hm, too bad; same is true for Debian, interactive stuff on the console is evil | 11:03 |
| \sh | cjwatson, what is the best package to file a bug report about a missing group for udev? ,-) | 11:03 |
| mvo | pitti: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=325576 | 11:03 |
| ubotu | Debian bug 325576 in ucf "ucf: should use debconf to display the diff results" [Normal,Open] | 11:03 |
| pitti | mvo: ah, thanks | 11:04 |
| ivoks | \sh: why does it read passwd in the first place? | 11:04 |
| ivoks | \sh: wouldn't it be better to do getent passwd? | 11:04 |
| ajmitch | ivoks: no.. | 11:04 |
| mvo | pitti: let me know if you want me to do the merge | 11:05 |
| pitti | mvo: oh, I'm almost done, it's fine | 11:05 |
| pitti | I just wondered about the rationale | 11:05 |
| mvo | aha, ok | 11:05 |
| mvo | thanks :) | 11:05 |
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| ivoks | ajmitch: i might ask stupid question; but.. why? :) | 11:06 |
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| ajmitch | ivoks: this is an nss module (libnss-ldap) that is timing out - udev is doing things the normal way | 11:06 |
| ivoks | oh... ok | 11:06 |
| ajmitch | lots of fun | 11:06 |
| ajmitch | morning sabdfl | 11:06 |
| cjwatson | \sh: pretty sure there's already a bug about that | 11:06 |
| ajmitch | pretty sure it's been fixed in feisty too, nvram is in /etc/group here | 11:07 |
| ivoks | it worked in dapper, iirc | 11:07 |
| ivoks | (working :) | 11:07 |
| \sh | ivoks, nope...I have a couple of dappers here...they all have this problem when network is not started, so ldap can't be reached | 11:08 |
| ajmitch | \sh: what libnss-ldap version? | 11:08 |
| \sh | wait...I have to reconnect to the box :( | 11:08 |
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| ivoks | \sh: eh, i didn't have that test-case cause if network wasn't available, it wouldn't boot at all :) | 11:09 |
| \sh | 238-1.1ubuntu1 | 11:09 |
| \sh | ivoks, first comes udev, then the network... | 11:09 |
| \sh | but nsswicth is already there | 11:09 |
| ivoks | \sh: in my case it was network first, then kernel | 11:10 |
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| iwj | fabbione: Letting agents just turned up. Be with you in a bit. | 12:03 |
| iwj | Gone again. | 12:09 |
| iwj | fabbione: AYT? | 12:09 |
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| fabbione | iwj: sorry i was having lunch. i need to run away for another 10/15 minutes.. is it ok with you? | 12:24 |
| === fabbione will be back very soon | ||
| iwj | Sure. | 12:26 |
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| fabbione | re | 12:37 |
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| jmg | hey all | 12:55 |
| jmg | bring me the head of the alsa maintainer | 12:55 |
| Treenaks | why? | 12:57 |
| ajmitch | because jmg wants to fix all the bugs, it seems | 12:57 |
| jmg | i want to file some bugs | 12:58 |
| jmg | but i need more info | 12:58 |
| jmg | about the way alsa is configured in ubuntu | 12:58 |
| jmg | specifically i want to help it configure 5.1 | 12:58 |
| jmg | because right now its not. | 12:59 |
| ajmitch | saying "bring me the head of the alsa maintainer" really isn't the best way to get any help | 12:59 |
| jmg | it got some attention | 12:59 |
| cjwatson | not from the alsa maintainer | 12:59 |
| jmg | i see him | 01:00 |
| jmg | by him, i mean the last person to touch it in edgy | 01:00 |
| jmg | hmm | 01:00 |
| jmg | i suppose i had better upgrade to feisty... but i dont want to break my nice media center setup | 01:01 |
| jmg | because my bug may be fixed in feisty | 01:01 |
| jmg | so what im really asking is how to configure 5.1 in edgy, but that is not an appropriate question for -devel | 01:02 |
| zul | good call | 01:02 |
| jmg | but maybe crimsun could give me an idea of how it is configured at the moment, because im looking and it doesnt like any of the stuff under /usr/share/alsa/pcm gets used | 01:03 |
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| jmg | /etc/init.d/alsa-utils is braindead in that respect | 01:04 |
| ajmitch | hm, still getting bitten by debian bug 420895 on upgrading tzdata, was someone looking at that? | 01:10 |
| ubotu | Debian bug 420895 in tzdata "tzdata: debconf logic can't handle single-level zones defined in backward" [Important,Closed] http://bugs.debian.org/420895 | 01:10 |
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| cjwatson | ajmitch: we haven't merged the Debian fix yet | 01:11 |
| cjwatson | ajmitch: feel like taking care of that? :) | 01:12 |
| ajmitch | sure | 01:12 |
| cjwatson | it's -5 I think | 01:12 |
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| heno | mdz, cjwatson: how do I go about hijacking a spec. I'd rather do that than create yet more duplicates | 01:41 |
| heno | (I take it the distro drivers have the power) | 01:42 |
| heno | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/speech-recognition and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/installer-for-windows | 01:43 |
| cjwatson | heno: just start editing, normally | 01:43 |
| cjwatson | heno: I can assign you as drafter or something if you like | 01:43 |
| cjwatson | done for both | 01:45 |
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| heno | cjwatson: thanks, I now have many more options | 01:45 |
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| cjwatson | Mithrandir: are you running the autosyncer, or are the things in ~lp_archive/syncs/ manual? | 01:47 |
| cjwatson | looks like they're auto | 01:47 |
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| heno | cjwatson: installer-for-windows is already on Scott's schedule; I've added an agenda. I take it I should not propose it for the meeting via LP, but that you will link it manually (?) | 02:00 |
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| cjwatson | heno: yep | 02:04 |
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| Mithrandir | cjwatson: I started it on auto, but it needs a bit of waiting before I can run it so I don't end up syncing the bits already synced in the previous run. | 02:09 |
| vciaglia | re | 02:09 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: right | 02:10 |
| cjwatson | I just used a different directory and some hacked scripts for the syncs I wanted to do | 02:10 |
| Mithrandir | okie | 02:10 |
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| Mithrandir | cjwatson: seems happier now, so rerunning -a | 02:12 |
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| pitti | Mithrandir: can you please give-back gnome-volume-manager on sparc and powerpc? | 02:17 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: given-back | 02:18 |
| ogra | bah, no libnotify yet ... g-s-s doesnt build ... | 02:19 |
| fabbione | ogra: and no hal-info! OMG THE WORLD IS FALLING APART | 02:19 |
| fabbione | i can't distupgrade to gutsy! | 02:20 |
| ogra | NO HAL INFO !!! Ohh my god ! | 02:20 |
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| fabbione | ogra: if i were you i would start to worry about that after UDS | 02:20 |
| ogra | how are we supposed to ever access hardware again ? | 02:20 |
| fabbione | i guess Mithrandir and cjwatson are keeping the world busy with debian sync | 02:20 |
| pitti | ogra: oh, my fault, should be in NEW | 02:21 |
| ogra | i just upgraded fine over here ... | 02:21 |
| fabbione | weekend time | 02:21 |
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| pitti | ogra: NEWed | 02:21 |
| \sh | hmmm...MoM still adds feisty to debian/changelogs in ubuntu version, right? | 02:22 |
| pitti | \sh: oh, is it back? | 02:22 |
| ogra | looks like | 02:22 |
| pitti | nope, still with March data | 02:22 |
| ogra | at least the webpage | 02:22 |
| ogra | ah | 02:22 |
| \sh | argl | 02:23 |
| StevenK | pitti: I have 3 -security uploads for universe that I'm in the middle of preparing. Shall I hit you up a little later about them? | 02:23 |
| pitti | StevenK: yes, please do so | 02:23 |
| StevenK | pitti: The package is mydns if you're curious. | 02:23 |
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| cjwatson | fabbione: hey, I'm just trying to clear out my own syncs :P | 02:25 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: ehehhe yeah yeah :) | 02:26 |
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| cjwatson | rest of you can fend for yourselves | 02:27 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: have fun.. i can wait for my syncs after the archive is stabilized a bit :) | 02:28 |
| fabbione | i had enough to sync into redhat-cluster for today | 02:28 |
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| Mithrandir | hm, not all bad stats: | 02:47 |
| Mithrandir | Out-of-date BUT modified: 706 (5.53%) | 02:47 |
| Mithrandir | Updated: 347 (2.72%) | 02:47 |
| Mithrandir | Ubuntu Specific: 2189 (17.14%) | 02:47 |
| Mithrandir | Up-to-date [Modified] : 1287 (10.08%) | 02:47 |
| Mithrandir | Up-to-date: 8233 (64.46%) | 02:47 |
| Mithrandir | Blacklisted: 11 (0.09%) | 02:47 |
| Mithrandir | Broken: 0 (0.00%) | 02:47 |
| Mithrandir | the ubuntu specific one looks pretty bad since we haven't synced removals yet. | 02:47 |
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| StevenK | Mithrandir: Ah, but how many removals are there? | 02:49 |
| Mithrandir | unsure. | 02:49 |
| Mithrandir | as in, I haven't gotten that far yet. | 02:49 |
| === StevenK nods. | ||
| === Hobbsee is sure geser will get thru all the universe ones in a couple of days... | ||
| StevenK | Yeah, well. | 02:50 |
| ajmitch | we should try & get on top of them asap | 02:51 |
| bhale | Ubuntu Specific: 2189 < ouch | 02:52 |
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| ajmitch | how many language packs in there? | 02:52 |
| bhale | ah | 02:53 |
| bhale | 693 in dapper | 02:53 |
| ajmitch | and as he said, a bunch of removals to process | 02:53 |
| ajmitch | but we do still have a few new packages | 02:53 |
| ajmitch | quite a few are worth pushing to debian | 02:54 |
| Mithrandir | closer to a thousand langpacks + support in gutsy. | 02:55 |
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| === Hobbsee_ will give you the icecube treatment next... :P | ||
| Mithrandir | heh | 03:12 |
| Mithrandir | it's getting summer-y here, so. :-) | 03:12 |
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| Hobbsee_ | Mithrandir: ah yes, but not here... | 03:13 |
| Hobbsee_ | i'll enjoy the summer | 03:13 |
| Hobbsee | or the excuse of summer | 03:13 |
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| ogra | Hobbsee, in germany we have about 5-10C more than usual ... nature is freaking out ... | 03:18 |
| ogra | its linke june here | 03:18 |
| StevenK | ogra: Send it here! | 03:18 |
| Hobbsee | ogra: heh. nice. what does that turn out to be? | 03:18 |
| Hobbsee | yay, we want warmth! | 03:18 |
| ogra | 23C atm | 03:18 |
| StevenK | That isn't warm | 03:18 |
| ogra | should be between 10-15C around this time of year | 03:18 |
| StevenK | ogra: It's warmer than that here now, and it's 11pm! | 03:19 |
| ogra | and wasnt ever this warm in april | 03:19 |
| Spads | ogra: http://www.nctexasbirds.com/images/hot_news.jpg | 03:20 |
| StevenK | Oh geez, I remember that article. | 03:21 |
| StevenK | pitti: I have three debdiffs for you to look at, along with a bug number. | 03:21 |
| pitti | StevenK: ah, as attachments? what's the bug? | 03:22 |
| ogra | go USA ! | 03:22 |
| StevenK | pitti: No, they aren't attached yet. | 03:22 |
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| StevenK | pitti: bug 110306 | 03:22 |
| ubotu | Bug 110306 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/110306 is private | 03:23 |
| StevenK | pitti: All three debdiffs attached. | 03:25 |
| pitti | StevenK: thanks, will look at it soon | 03:25 |
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| pitti | StevenK: hmm, there doesn't seem to be a public CVE for this | 03:32 |
| StevenK | pitti: The bug does say it will be announced to full disclosure later today. | 03:33 |
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| StevenK | pitti: Shall we wait until it has a CVE? | 03:33 |
| pitti | StevenK: if it turns up in a matter of hours, we can consider waiting | 03:34 |
| pitti | StevenK: in any case, the code changes look sane, but I'd like the changelog to be more verbose | 03:35 |
| pitti | StevenK: mention the dpatch name and some references | 03:35 |
| pitti | StevenK: i. e. URLs to the advisory and where you got the patch from, etc. | 03:35 |
| pitti | (such as a webcvs URL, or the URL you mentioned in the bug) | 03:35 |
| StevenK | Right. | 03:36 |
| StevenK | Are my version numbers sane? | 03:36 |
| pitti | yes, they are | 03:37 |
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| pitti | StevenK: not sure if it is http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2006-2075 | 03:39 |
| pitti | StevenK: but it doesn't look like it | 03:39 |
| StevenK | pitti: I agree, since the bug report mentions update and that CVE doesn't. | 03:40 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 03:43 |
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| StevenK | pitti: I don't seem to have/find a URL to the advisory. | 03:46 |
| pitti | StevenK: ok; then just include the dpatch name and the URLs from the bug (PoC and patch) | 03:47 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: so does the MoM output you pasted above indicate that MoM is on its way back up now? | 03:47 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: it's actually sync-source output | 03:47 |
| cjwatson | ah, right | 03:47 |
| StevenK | pitti: Right, debdiffs updated, but not attached. | 03:57 |
| pitti | StevenK: just /msg me the new changelog | 04:00 |
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| pitti | hm, do we still care about | 04:13 |
| pitti | + * Merge from debian unstable, remaining changes: | 04:13 |
| pitti | + - debian/control: exim4 -> postfix. | 04:13 |
| pitti | being the only diff for a package? (such as mutt and mailman) | 04:13 |
| Mithrandir | I'd say no. | 04:13 |
| pitti | that's what I thought, too | 04:13 |
| StevenK | pitti: All three uploads done. | 04:13 |
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| pitti | StevenK: thanks; I'll check them in about an hour, when they should have built everywhere | 04:14 |
| StevenK | pitti: Okay, cool. | 04:15 |
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| Adri2000 | archive admins: for a sync request from debian-multimedia, do you need the link to the .dsc or something? | 04:37 |
| cjwatson | Adri2000: no, just note that it's to come from debian-multimedia | 04:38 |
| pitti | Adri2000: we import the package lists by default, so I don't think that's necessary | 04:38 |
| Adri2000 | ok | 04:38 |
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| Mithrandir | lamont: what for? | 04:47 |
| lamont | exim->postfix comment above. | 04:47 |
| lamont | :) | 04:47 |
| Keybuk | exim > postfix | 04:47 |
| Mithrandir | lamont: seriously? Do you think maintaining a delta with Debian because we used to prefer/still prefer one MTA over another, when both are in main? | 04:48 |
| Mithrandir | + is sane | 04:48 |
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| === pitti prefers postfix over exim as well, but people who care about an MTA will have it installed already? | ||
| lamont | pitti: that's why I cancelled the trout-launch | 04:50 |
| Keybuk | pitti: can I get an MIR for my favourite MTA too? :p | 04:50 |
| lamont | Mithrandir: no - not worth maintaining the difference | 04:50 |
| lamont | Keybuk: I dare you to submit one for qmail | 04:50 |
| pitti | Keybuk: if it replaces exim instead of giving us a third one to care for? :) | 04:51 |
| pitti | qmail -> nonfree -> main | 04:51 |
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| Treenaks | pitti: yeah, but RIR was already in use | 04:51 |
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| Keybuk | pitti: it's only non-free by Debian's definition :) | 04:57 |
| mjg59_ | Keybuk: qmail? Non-free by most people's definition. | 04:58 |
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| Keybuk | it's just quirky that you can't distribute binaries of it <g> | 05:01 |
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| jdong | wha'ts up with people telling me that it's legal to distribute libdvdcss sources, just not binaries?? | 05:03 |
| jdong | IANAL but I am highly skeptical to that statement. probably an 'urban legend'? | 05:04 |
| Keybuk | probably depends what country you are in, for a start | 05:04 |
| jdong | let's say... USA? | 05:04 |
| Keybuk | ask your local lawyer | 05:05 |
| elmo | distributing dvdcss in any form in the US would not be sane [IANAL, TINLA] | 05:05 |
| jdong | elmo: that's what I was under the impression | 05:06 |
| jdong | what about distributing a script that downloads libdvdcss sources from upstream and compiles them? | 05:06 |
| jdong | i.e. Gentoo, Freebsd.... | 05:06 |
| Keybuk | ask your local lawyer | 05:06 |
| mc44 | jdong: and ubuntu no? | 05:06 |
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| jdong | /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh | 05:06 |
| mc44 | indeed | 05:06 |
| jdong | we are distributing such a script | 05:07 |
| vciaglia | re | 05:07 |
| Keybuk | the answer to this requires knowledge of US law, not just the copyright licences involved | 05:07 |
| jdong | that downloads a libdvdcss deb, or falls back to building from source | 05:07 |
| jdong | is that legal? ;-) | 05:07 |
| Keybuk | ask your local lawyer | 05:08 |
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| mc44 | jdong: the us mirror is in sweden anyway isnt it? :) | 05:08 |
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| jdong | is it legal for Ubuntu, I should say... | 05:08 |
| ion_ | With this <http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/04/27/039259> (all our base are basically belong to MPAA and RIAA now) going on, perhaps even distributing /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh in EU has became illegal. | 05:08 |
| jdong | why not have g-a-i able to do this too? | 05:08 |
| jdong | pop in an encrypted DVD, bring up g-a-i and offer to run that script... that's already installed :D | 05:09 |
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| Keybuk | ion_: the impliciations of that directive are not well understood | 05:10 |
| ion_ | Installing debs without adding a repository that will provide updates pretty isnt very nice. | 05:10 |
| ion_ | s/pretty // | 05:11 |
| Keybuk | (and is actually less strict than the current UK law which is probably what Canonical is answerable to) | 05:11 |
| cjwatson | EU directives (AIUI) don't affect us until signed into UK law anyway ... | 05:11 |
| cjwatson | which isn't a reason not to be concerned, but is a reason not to panic | 05:11 |
| jdong | interesting... | 05:13 |
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| jdong | I guess what I'm getting at is... we should either (1) remove the script due to legal reasons, or (2) make it more integrated into g-a-i and easier to access | 05:13 |
| pitti | cjwatson: hm, why do you think is this UK centric? First, the download code will appear on worldwide mirrors, second such laws probably apply to the user, not (only) the distributor? | 05:14 |
| jdong | yikes! | 05:15 |
| jdong | libdvdread3 is in universe | 05:15 |
| jdong | not multiverse | 05:15 |
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| cjwatson | the obvious target for legal action would be the distributor, surely | 05:15 |
| jdong | and it installs a script that can deCSS?? | 05:15 |
| mjg59_ | libdvdread is fine, surely? | 05:15 |
| jdong | dvdread is fine | 05:15 |
| jdong | but it includes a script that downloads libdvdcss | 05:15 |
| cjwatson | there is unlikely to be any legal difference between universe and multiverse | 05:15 |
| mjg59_ | The "We're fine if we're only distributing something in multiverse" idea seems to have taken hold somewhere, and I'm not sure why | 05:16 |
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| Hobbsee | jdong: libdvdread source is in main, iirc. certainly was. | 05:16 |
| Robot101 | mjg59: it's OK if we break the law if we put it in a seperate law-breaking section? :D | 05:16 |
| jdong | Hobbsee: only in dapper (tm) | 05:16 |
| Keybuk | pitti: the law ion_ refers explicitly excludes end-users | 05:16 |
| Robot101 | is multiverse not carried on mirrors or something? | 05:16 |
| jdong | Robot101: worked for military prisons... | 05:16 |
| Keybuk | pitti: and only targets distributors | 05:16 |
| ion_ | deb http://fi.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu feisty main restricted universe multiverse illegal | 05:16 |
| Hobbsee | ah, right. that's where i mu;st have merged it, then | 05:16 |
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| bhale | Robot101: multiverse is more like non-free | 05:17 |
| StevenK | libdvdread | 0.9.6-3ubuntu1 | edgy/universe | source | 05:17 |
| jdong | libdvdread3 | 0.9.6-3ubuntu1 | edgy/universe | i386 | 05:17 |
| Hobbsee | weird | 05:17 |
| Keybuk | mjg59: Debian previously seemed to have a "it's fine if it's in non-free" stance too | 05:17 |
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| bhale | Robot101: its been taken to mean "anything goes" | 05:17 |
| jdong | :) | 05:17 |
| cjwatson | I don't see why we should do the MPAA's work for them. If it were clearly illegal, we shouldn't be distributing it, but it's not clear IMO | 05:17 |
| mjg59 | Keybuk: Debian's never carried libdvdcss | 05:17 |
| Keybuk | mjg59: true, but it has for other things | 05:17 |
| Keybuk | dvdcss should be in universe though | 05:17 |
| elmo | bhale: which is wrong, of course | 05:17 |
| Hobbsee | mjg59: it carried that script before, though | 05:17 |
| jdong | cjwatson: libdvdcss is not clear? | 05:17 |
| elmo | Keybuk: err, no it shouldn't | 05:17 |
| Hobbsee | mjg59: to get dvdcss | 05:17 |
| cjwatson | jdong: a script that downloads libdvdcss is not clear | 05:18 |
| Keybuk | multiverse is "insufficient permission to distribute modified binaries", not "legally scary" | 05:18 |
| Keybuk | elmo: ? | 05:18 |
| cjwatson | libdvdcss itself would be, imo | 05:18 |
| jdong | cjwatson: I agree with that | 05:18 |
| mjg59 | Keybuk: Really? Which things were considered acceptable in non-free that weren't considered acceptable in main? (ignoring freeness) | 05:18 |
| elmo | Keybuk: dvdcss should not be on our archive at all | 05:18 |
| cjwatson | elmo: it isn't. a script that downloads it is | 05:18 |
| elmo | cjwatson: I know that | 05:18 |
| cjwatson | ok | 05:18 |
| elmo | I'm responding to: | 05:18 |
| elmo | 16:17 < Keybuk> dvdcss should be in universe though | 05:18 |
| jdong | site=http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/groups/dvd/deb/ | 05:18 |
| Keybuk | mjg59: I can't recall specifically, but I remember when we had the discussion about not using multiverse as a legal arse-cover, that someone pointed to things in Debian non-free simply because of patents; gif stuff, maybe? zip maybe too | 05:19 |
| pochu | configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables | 05:19 |
| cjwatson | Keybuk: sounds like somebody confused non-free with non-US | 05:19 |
| mjg59 | Keybuk: Stuff was in non-us because of patents. | 05:19 |
| Keybuk | cjwatson: yes, that was the thought too | 05:19 |
| Keybuk | if I weren't leaving for a plane in 40 mins, i'd look into it :) | 05:19 |
| ion_ | install-css.sh seems to install 1.2.5, whereas the medibuntu repository seems to have 1.2.9, btw. | 05:20 |
| mjg59 | Keybuk: The only exceptions I could think of would be code that granted a patent license, but only under restrictive terms | 05:20 |
| jdong | ion_: lol should we update it to install from medibuntu? :D | 05:21 |
| mjg59 | And where that patent was being enforced | 05:21 |
| Keybuk | mjg59: it was a mistake in Debian, iirc, and one someone had copied in Ubuntu | 05:21 |
| ion_ | jdong: As long as an apt repository isnt used, it will become obsolete again sooner or later. :-) | 05:21 |
| jdong | ion_: a wget that checks a "latest-is-*" file? :D | 05:22 |
| ion_ | Users wont get updates automatically that way. | 05:22 |
| Lutin | ion_: in what package is that file ? | 05:22 |
| jdong | libdvdread | 05:22 |
| ion_ | lutin: libdvdread3 | 05:22 |
| jdong | no fear, medibuntu to the rescue :D | 05:22 |
| elmo | Keybuk: err, it wasn't a mistake, if you mean unintentional rather than misguided | 05:23 |
| Lutin | jdong: :) | 05:23 |
| Lutin | ion_: ok | 05:23 |
| Keybuk | elmo: ? | 05:24 |
| ion_ | The medibuntu repository also contains w32codecs and a version of ffmpeg that supports encoding some patent-encumbered formats, which is nice. | 05:24 |
| jdong | yep | 05:24 |
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| jdong | though w32codecs is pretty obsolete now | 05:24 |
| jdong | you only need it for realvideo... and we have Real in -commercial | 05:25 |
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| cjwatson | jdong: how's the rest of it handled? | 05:25 |
| elmo | jdong: err, what can do wmv? | 05:25 |
| mjg59 | ffmpeg | 05:25 |
| jdong | elmo: ffmpeg | 05:25 |
| cjwatson | (we have a discussion on windows codecs scheduled for UDS) | 05:25 |
| elmo | natively? | 05:25 |
| jdong | yep | 05:25 |
| jdong | cjwatson: ffmpeg now decodes almost everything | 05:26 |
| jdong | the remaining biggie is realvideo+realaudio | 05:26 |
| ion_ | jdong: Do mplayer, gstreamer0.10-pitfdll etc. use the codecs installed by the Real package from commercial? | 05:26 |
| === cjwatson goes to note that on the schedule | ||
| elmo | mplayer does realaudio | 05:26 |
| jdong | ion_: nope | 05:26 |
| elmo | even streaming, like bbc radio or something | 05:26 |
| jdong | ion_: our mplayer and friends can't exploit realplayer... unlike Novell's | 05:27 |
| ion_ | jdong: Thus ill still have to keep using w32codecs. | 05:27 |
| mc44 | jdong: there isnt a feisty realplayer package yet either | 05:27 |
| jdong | mc44: well there should be | 05:27 |
| jdong | :) | 05:27 |
| mvo | mc44: we hope to get one soon | 05:27 |
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| cjwatson | Keybuk: any objections to me swapping round the motu and gstreamer forums on the schedule? LaserJock said he was leaving on Wed so couldn't make the MOTU forum | 05:27 |
| mc44 | mvo: great :) | 05:28 |
| Lutin | jdong: does the ffmpeg from debian unstalbe handles more formats than the current ubuntu one ? | 05:28 |
| cjwatson | I couldn't see any obvious obstacles to switching them | 05:28 |
| jdong | Lutin: definitely, and lower CPU usage too | 05:28 |
| jdong | BUT the api, abi, and UI has changed significantly! | 05:28 |
| jdong | be careful introducing that, coordinate with motu-media, etc | 05:28 |
| jdong | but I would like to see it in Gutsy | 05:28 |
| Keybuk | cjwatson: no objections to any changes | 05:28 |
| Keybuk | cjwatson: riddell also pointed out to me that the meduxa guys aren't present on the day they've been scheduled for | 05:29 |
| Keybuk | cjwatson: so move that to mon-tues in a fourth room :) | 05:29 |
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| cjwatson | Riddell: what are the meduxa guys called, and what days will they be present? | 05:31 |
| cjwatson | all the schedule says is "Meduxa Representative" | 05:31 |
| Lutin | jdong: I'd definitely love it too, cause I need it to put another package into multiverse (kdenlive) | 05:31 |
| Lutin | jdong: though it FTBFSs in a feisty pbuilder cause of some linking issue | 05:32 |
| jdong | Lutin: it might be time to talk to slomo and friends about how to migrate our entire stack to it | 05:32 |
| jdong | Lutin: it's at minimum going to be a full recompile of all dependents | 05:32 |
| Riddell | cjwatson: Cristo is the junior guy, he's there all week | 05:34 |
| Riddell | cjwatson: Agustn is the senior guy, leaves 17:00 on tuesday | 05:34 |
| Lutin | jdong: indeed. definitely need to poke siretart too, as he maintains it in debian | 05:35 |
| cjwatson | Riddell: thanks | 05:35 |
| jdong | yep | 05:35 |
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| elmo | zomg, can we please install patch by default on servers? | 05:39 |
| Lutin | jdong: I have a feeling taht it's not gonna be easy :p | 05:39 |
| cjwatson | Riddell: I'll put them on Sunday and Monday then - can manage to avoid using a fourth room that way | 05:40 |
| cjwatson | I guess those two sessions don't have to be right next to each other | 05:40 |
| jdong | Lutin: I doubt it too | 05:42 |
| mdz | elmo: in a bundle with gcc and friends, or always? | 05:43 |
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| Riddell | cjwatson: thanks, no they don't | 05:45 |
| elmo | mdz: always | 05:45 |
| Lutin | jdong: though some upstream might have started the migration already | 05:45 |
| elmo | I patch config files all the time, but maybe I'm just strange that way | 05:46 |
| jdong | Lutin: I think all our apps will build against the new ffmpeg | 05:46 |
| jdong | Lutin: I have done it locally on one of my machines | 05:46 |
| jdong | Lutin: it is however damned annoying that all my scripts that call ffmpeg had to be changed significantly | 05:46 |
| cjwatson | I don't really see why not to install patch always - I've pretty sure I've seen people suggest using it to apply test fixes for bugs | 05:46 |
| thom | elmo: you're strange. but we knew that anyway (i just use $RCS_OF_CHOICE); that said, i can't see why having patch in base would be bad | 05:46 |
| cjwatson | (when binaries aren't involved) | 05:47 |
| Lutin | jdong: that'd mean that they've not broken their API ? kind of amazing | 05:47 |
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| jdong | Lutin: no, they did break their api | 05:47 |
| jdong | Lutin: most ffmpeg apps have a bunch of #ifdefs to workaround it :D | 05:47 |
| Lutin | jdong: :D | 05:48 |
| cjwatson | patch is in the user portability section of SUSv3 too (read: optional, but you know that's "if you are a hideously ancient Unix then we'll let you off") | 05:48 |
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| iwj | Why oh why oh why does less perform so abysmally with files with huge lines ? | 06:13 |
| ScottK | pitti: It seems there is still one hangup with the lighttpd security fix. IA-64 for Edgy has been sitting "Needs Building" for a long time now. https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/319865 | 06:14 |
| ScottK | Dunno if there's a backlog for IA64 or something got hung up again... | 06:15 |
| cjwatson | ia64 was broken for edgy-security for a while, and may still be | 06:15 |
| cjwatson | elmo: ^-- | 06:15 |
| pitti | ScottK: right, edgy-security is pretty much screwed on ia64 because it's horribly out of date | 06:15 |
| elmo | yeah, it is | 06:15 |
| cjwatson | it shouldn't be needs-build though, either dep-wait or failed or ... | 06:15 |
| elmo | I'll have to take dak down again to reimport it | 06:15 |
| elmo | I'll do it some day... | 06:15 |
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| ion_ | iwj: -R might help in some cases. | 06:16 |
| ScottK | So I guess I take that as it's know to be FUBAR and I don't need to worry about it? | 06:16 |
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| cjwatson | I certainly wouldn't lose sleep over it | 06:17 |
| ion_ | iwj: Sorry, brainfart. -S. | 06:17 |
| ScottK | OK. Thanks. | 06:17 |
| iwj | I know about -S but I want to see the whole line. | 06:18 |
| iwj | fold(1) fixes it but it's annoying that I have to mess about. | 06:18 |
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| ion_ | iwj: Yeah. in some cases, as in if you dont need to see the whole line. :-) | 06:20 |
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| iwj | ion_: Yers :-). | 06:21 |
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| ssam | Bug #109204 has a patch upstream, i have tested it my self. is there anything i can do help get the patch committed to the ubuntu package | 06:55 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 109204 in goffice "Gnumeric strange colors (purple charts)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/109204 | 06:55 |
| ssam | i have read through the openweek patching session | 06:55 |
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| ssam | it looks to me like gnumeric does not use any of the fancy patching systems | 06:55 |
| pitti | ssam: giving a pointer to the upstream patch and the test result is helpful | 06:57 |
| ssam | pitti thanks | 06:58 |
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| ssam | pitti done | 07:01 |
| bluefoxicy | wtf lol | 07:14 |
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| bluefoxicy | I enter my password and it says "Sorry please try again" three times, never prompting inbetween. gksu works. This is amusing. | 07:14 |
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| iwj | Oh, the uselessness of the interface to su and rsh has caused so much braindamage. | 07:34 |
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| bongo | good day! what is the reason kernel-patch-vserver wasn't included in feisty release? | 07:36 |
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| crimsun | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=390951 , http://packages.qa.debian.org/k/kernel-patch-vserver/news/20061017T174909Z.html | 07:37 |
| ubotu | Debian bug 390951 in ftp.debian.org "ftp.debian.org: Please remove package: kernel-patch-vserver" [Normal,Closed] | 07:37 |
| bongo | yes I do release debian etch doesn't have it | 07:38 |
| bongo | that is why i presumed feisty doesn't | 07:38 |
| crimsun | I'm not sure why you're asking, then? | 07:39 |
| bongo | well I never read that article | 07:39 |
| bongo | I see that stipulate that its included in the 2.6 kernel | 07:40 |
| pitti | mjg59: do you have any idea about http://librarian.launchpad.net/7429278/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-powerpc.hal_0.5.9-1ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz ? | 07:40 |
| bongo | if I download the source tarball I don't see it in the kernel source, not even with the ubuntu patches | 07:40 |
| pitti | mjg59: on sparc and powerpc there is no sys/io.h with inb(), outb() and such | 07:40 |
| bongo | I know i can patch it by hand | 07:40 |
| mjg59 | pitti: Yeah, the code is x86 only | 07:41 |
| pitti | mjg59: so I should #ifdef the --enable-macbook options only for i386 in debian/rules | 07:41 |
| mjg59 | pitti: and amd64 | 07:42 |
| mjg59 | There are no ppc macbooks | 07:42 |
| iwj | Aaaaargh! One moment it quotes ~ with \ and another moment it fails to quote * ! | 07:42 |
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| jumpula | sounds like bash | 07:43 |
| jumpula | except for something doing the quoting :) | 07:44 |
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| iwj | piuparts. | 07:45 |
| iwj | 0m57.6s INFO: PASS: All tests. | 07:49 |
| iwj | Yay! | 07:49 |
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| YokoZar | Somehow I'm missing a debdiff for my package, and it's confusing uupdate. What's the proper way to build it? | 08:22 |
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| YokoZar | Ahh, figured out the answer to my question. Had to have dpkg-source -b target my package directory and then the upstream tarball (that was actually a bz2 file, not .gz, hence confusing dpkg-source) | 08:39 |
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| Adri2000 | cjwatson: why does your upload devscripts (2.10.2ubuntu1) not appear on gutsy-changes? anyway, I sent a patch for requestsync to pitti, could you include it in your next upload? (when merging version 2.10.4 for example) | 09:46 |
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| psusi | I can't debootstrap gutsy.. I think it is because tzdata fails to install... is this a known problem? can anyone else debootstrap gutsy? | 09:47 |
| psusi | same goes with pbuilder create | 09:47 |
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| geser | Adri2000: I already prepared a merge for 2.10.4 and wait now for a UMS | 09:57 |
| Adri2000 | hm yes, I've just seen the bug | 09:58 |
| Adri2000 | geser: can I send you my patch so you add it to your upload? | 09:58 |
| geser | sure | 09:59 |
| Adri2000 | or well, it's here: http://adrishost.homeip.net/~adri2000/ubuntu/requestsync.patch | 10:00 |
| geser | Adri2000: looking at the patch [len(explanation)-1] is the same as [-1] | 10:05 |
| Adri2000 | geser: ah right, feel free to fix :) | 10:07 |
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| wasabi_ | buh. mdadm and lvm still broken in various ways for me in feisty. | 10:15 |
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| siretart | Lutin: you told something about ffmpeg before? | 10:17 |
| Lutin | siretart: yes. I was asking if it compiles fine in a feisty pbuilder for you | 10:21 |
| Lutin | siretart: 'cause it FTBFSs when linking here | 10:21 |
| siretart | Lutin: where exactly? and on which arch? | 10:21 |
| siretart | Lutin: I'm very inclined to just upload ffmpeg from experimental to gutsy and fix what gets broken | 10:22 |
| Lutin | siretart: amd64, an issue related to PIC code | 10:22 |
| siretart | Lutin: hm, strange, I'm pretty sure I tested it on my amd64 machine myself, will look at it later | 10:22 |
| Lutin | siretart: yeah, I discusssed that a bit with jdong...we'd need at least a recompile of all the rdepends | 10:23 |
| Lutin | siretart: I'll paste the buildlog asap | 10:23 |
| siretart | Lutin: this we have to do anyway. | 10:23 |
| siretart | Lutin: thanks | 10:23 |
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| psusi | can anyone debootstrap gutsy or does it just fail for me? | 10:24 |
| Nafallo | psusi: dunno. worked earlier today. | 10:24 |
| psusi | odd... I haven't been able to since yesterday at least... it fails to configure a bunch of stuff starting with tzdata I think | 10:25 |
| psusi | could it be because this machine is still running edgy? | 10:26 |
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| mario | hello folks :) | 11:05 |
| Lutin | siretart: http://people.dunnewind.net/lutin/ffmpeg_buildlog.txt | 11:14 |
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| siretart | Lutin: imgconvert.o, eh? | 11:15 |
| Lutin | siretart: ? | 11:15 |
| siretart | Lutin: I fixed such an error already before, I'll try to reproduce in gutsy | 11:17 |
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| Lutin | siretart: ok | 11:21 |
| Lutin | siretart: do you remember what the fix was ? | 11:21 |
| siretart | Lutin: fixing the inline assembler to not use relocs | 11:21 |
| Lutin | ah, ok | 11:22 |
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| ajmitch | morning | 11:51 |
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| siretart | hi ajmitch | 12:00 |
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| mario | hi siretart | 12:03 |
| siretart | hi pygi! | 12:03 |
| mario | what's up? How is it going? :) | 12:04 |
| siretart | oh, I'm fighting with ffmpeg on gutsy | 12:05 |
| mario | siretart, wee, that sounds better then what I'm doing :P | 12:06 |
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| Lutin | siretart: heh. have fun =) | 12:09 |
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| siretart | mario: I seriously doubt it | 12:11 |
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