[12:13] yay, lib* done [12:15] Mithrandir: How long does this all generally take to build? [12:15] Fujitsu: I don't know, a week maybe? [12:16] usually not that long IIRC [12:16] cjwatson: remember that etch released some time ago, so Debian will have quite an influx of new versions of stuff. [12:17] oh well, anyway, it'll take a while. === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:19] true [12:20] we have 6 months to get it build :) [12:20] heh === mcgrof [n=mcgrof@ruslug.rutgers.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:22] cjwatson: the sync process seems to be going quite happily. I think I'll just head off for the night and run process-incoming in the morning. It's either that or cancel it now and run process-incoming now. [12:22] Mithrandir: Best to wait until doko's fixed the python mess. [12:23] Mithrandir: So we don't have to retry the world on sparc/powerpc. [12:23] infinity's alive! [12:23] Fujitsu: Am not. [12:23] but are you countable ? [12:24] infinity: that too. [12:24] oh, I shouldn't have said that about it running fine. [12:24] Mithrandir: It just imploded? === _phantom_ [n=phantom@82-46-12-56.cable.ubr07.azte.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:24] yes, fell over on mol. [12:24] Mithrandir: *nod* [12:24] which it really, really shouldn't. [12:24] well, blacklisted, bed. [12:25] infinity: any progress on bug #87077? [12:25] Launchpad bug 87077 in launchpad-buildd "The build of xmms2 fails because of HASH(0x82db558)="" in the environment" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87077 === Fujitsu pats reliable Soyuz === mcgrof [n=mcgrof@ruslug.rutgers.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Monk-e [n=guido-fe@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === neumann [n=BNeumann@cpe-066-026-060-110.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-6ee82b872c1881ad] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@canonical/launchpad/mpt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:04] Can I get linux-source processed through NEW for gutsy please? === sn0 [n=sno_@cpc3-blfs6-0-0-cust294.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:13] BenC: source accepted [01:13] cjwatson: thanks...I've got lrm uploading too, if you'll be around in 15 minutes [01:14] unlikely [01:14] it'd have to wait for the main kernel to build anyway === pabluk [n=jpablo@200-112-138-60.bbt.net.ar] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr [n=j@blk-224-156-151.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cjwatson_ [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C1A48C.access.telenet.be] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [02:00] on ubuntu feisty, this site crashes firefox -> http://www.crashie.com [02:01] $ firefox http://www.crashie.com [02:01] /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/firefox/components/libmyspell.so: undefined symbol: _ZN8Hunspell5spellEPKc [02:03] it's *supposed* to crash ie, but it also crashes ubuntu firefox [02:04] lol [02:04] bug compatability [02:04] mozilla (aka iceape) works perfectly fine [02:04] jcole: doesn't for me [02:05] from the mozilla devs: [02:05] (04:59:22 PM) bz: talk to whoever built your Firefox [02:05] (04:59:25 PM) bz: they screwed up === jcole shuts off beryl and tries [02:06] same thing [02:06] who did build your firefox? [02:06] because it does no such thing here [02:07] came from pool/main/f/firefox/firefox_2.0.0.3+1-0ubuntu2_i386.deb [02:07] bhale: do you have that myspell.so ? [02:08] lifeless: nope. [02:09] $ dpkg -L firefox | grep libmyspell.so [02:09] /usr/lib/firefox/components/libmyspell.so [02:09] lifeless: actually, i do. [02:09] heh [02:10] ldd and nm are your friends at this point [02:10] find where that symbol is coming from [02:11] nafallo@silverfairy:~ $ LANG="C" grep _ZN8Hunspell5spellEPKc /usr/lib/firefox/components/libmyspell.so [02:11] Binary file /usr/lib/firefox/components/libmyspell.so matches [02:11] so far so good [02:14] $ md5sum /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin /usr/lib/firefox/components/libmyspell.so [02:14] 10c64c95e06cff7f6b8994070ddd2a64 /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin [02:14] 5d8c9da487f3c07ea486281200e9d7d6 /usr/lib/firefox/components/libmyspell.so [02:14] Nafallo: ^^^ is that the same on your system? [02:15] yes === jcole discovers bug 107340 [02:16] Launchpad bug 107340 in firefox "[EDGY] firefox crashed [@ mozSpellChecker::GetCurrentDictionary] [@ mozSpellI18NManagerConstructor] " [High,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107340 === qiyong [n=qiyong@fc-cn.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml [n=jml@59.167.203.115] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-94-19.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === pkl_ [n=phillip@lougher.demon.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml_ [n=jml@59.167.203.115] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tkamppeter [n=till@bl8-117-219.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jtholmes [n=jtholmes@adsl-065-006-144-253.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === reitblatt [n=mark@resnet-50-133.dorm.utexas.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.149.2.83] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mario [n=mario@83-131-70-177.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ubiq [n=ubiq@121.32.11.162] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zerbero_ [n=jga@p213.54.170.68.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robertj [n=robertj@97.81.79.163] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.6.228.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel === reitblatt [n=mark@resnet-50-133.dorm.utexas.edu] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === tkamppeter_ [n=till@bl8-117-115.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === micahcowan [n=micah@ubuntu/member/micahcowan] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:45] hi jdong [04:46] hi mario [04:46] how's things? [04:46] bad :( I'm sick, and have high temperature, and I gotta work :( [04:46] aww, sorry to hear that [04:46] I've got something that will make you feel even worse..... [04:46] /dev/sdb1 on /mnt type reiser4 (rw,noatime,nodiratime) [04:47] LOL [04:47] heh :P [04:47] how is it going ? :) [04:47] it's only been 15 minutes with it.... but I must say I am impressed [04:47] hehe, is that stable enough? [04:47] I'm rsyncing my root to it as a benchmark [04:48] I know XFS took 1h45m to do this task [04:48] so far it's been 15m and it's already like 40% done [04:48] nice, but watch out for reliability [04:48] I know, I know, that will be a long term judgement [04:48] I did two power-off tests [04:48] actually, unplug USB tests. [04:48] a 300MB TV episode [04:48] copied a second 350MB one into it. [04:48] (overwrite) [04:49] pulled out disk 15 seconds later [04:49] after a mount, md5sum matches original 300MB episode [04:49] very impressive considering it writes at raw speed of the device (30MB/s) [04:49] it will be interesting to see how long term stability is.... [04:49] and also if it has any severe weaknesses [04:49] nod^^ [04:50] but I plan to test that over the course of the next few weeks [04:50] I used reiser4 on 2.6.8 when it was first released, while running Gentoo [04:50] (before Ubuntu days...) [04:50] I liked it back then, but found in Ubuntu rolling my own kernel was too much work [04:50] I know when 2.6.8 was :P [04:50] lol, I'm sorry I'm belittling you :P [04:50] it was when jorg started complaining that kernel devs are filtering all the scsi stuff :P [04:51] have you heard of this KDE thing? I've heard like it's another operating system on Linux or something. ;-) [04:51] LOL === predius [n=predius@190.8.154.185] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:51] aggresive filtering was introduced in .8 and .9, it was fine-tuned since then, but oh well === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.6.228.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:52] jdong, what's KDE? Never heard of that toy. [04:52] lol [04:52] I do notice that reiser4 uses pretty high CPU compared to other FS'es [04:52] this rsync is using like 30% of one core [04:52] but CPU usage for blazing fast IO? I'm willing to make that tradeoff [04:53] I just wish one could buy more IO speed for more CPU :D === MrNOKIA1 [n=user@86.121.178.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@0-195.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:32] hi [05:36] hey Hobbsee [05:37] hi spam :) [05:37] how's it going? === mpt [n=mpt@canonical/launchpad/mpt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:37] ah well just waiting for lunch really [05:37] :) [05:42] hey Hobbsee [05:42] hi ajmitch === halcyonCorsair [n=epahl@galaxy.liverton.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua_ [n=minghua@ppp-70-247-54-121.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:16] morning [06:22] morning fabbione === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:03] tepsipakki: is xlib going to use xcb again in gutsy? === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:16] what's the equivalen of if [ -n "$var" ] in perl? === siti [n=siti@clix-jaquesmartin-nz.cpe.clix.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:24] fabbione, something like 'if $var =~ m/.+/' would do it but there probabl are better ways :) [07:27] Seveas: thanks === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.149.2.83] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Monk-e [n=guido-fe@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:37] I have sound again! === mpt does the happy dance === bdgraue [n=bdgraue@dyndsl-085-016-027-253.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:39] Amaranth: yes, although you should ask bryce about X in the future ;) === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:39] X is the new firefox! === ivoks [n=ivoks@32-36.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:56] Amaranth: meaning.. ? [07:57] tepsipakki: you touch it you own it, the person responsible for it changes all the time :) [07:57] ah, ok :) [07:58] ok who's the meanie that stole launchpad and wiki this time? :( === azeem_ [n=mbanck@ppp-88-217-46-72.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:59] elkbuntu: they are already working on it :) [08:00] see #launchpad [08:00] heh, I get "argument list too long" when I try to move all the syncs. :-P === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.6.228.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:03] Mithrandir: did you make LP explode.. didn't you? [08:04] no, I didn't. I might make it explode now. === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stratus [n=stratus@201.53.55.52] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:18] why ntfs is read only? why not rw? === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:21] !ntfs | qiyong === superm1 pokes ubotu === Fujitsu hits ubotu. === Fujitsu drops a limp Launchpad on ubotu. [08:26] Fujitsu, ubotu hungs === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:27] Good morning [08:27] Hi pitti. [08:28] hey pitti === sponix [n=riiight@81.90.21.226] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:33] qiyong: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse [08:33] anyone care about my ATI Radeon X1400 not working with Feisty (X7.2) like it did with 6.10 (X7.1) [08:34] sponix: regression? what's the bug number? [08:34] sladen: not sure if its filed, just thought I'd bring it up [08:34] sponix: 89853 [08:34] sponix: if it's not filed, then nobody will have seen it [08:34] had to install 55Meg ATI commercial driver from a thumbdrive to continue the installer :P [08:35] tepsipakki: ok, so its being worked already ? [08:35] yes, sort of [08:35] it is a known bug.... [08:35] bug #89853 [08:35] Launchpad bug 89853 in xorg-server "[regression] 7.2 broke vesa: "No matching modes found"" [High,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89853 [08:35] well, X is to blame, openSuSE has the same issue with 7.2 [08:36] We really really need a new/better ati driver 8) [08:36] is it just my X1400 ati card, or several cards ? === Treenaks looks at HIS pet bug [08:36] the whole X1x00 line [08:37] it's a bug in the server [08:38] I go to ATI (amd), and hit the feedback all the time, and state "your drivers still blow, and you need to make a good opensource one" === Treenaks pokes planet [08:38] honestly I felt that was pretty straight forward :P [08:38] fedora has a patch for it, but when combined with a patch for the driver it makes the server to crash [08:38] sponix: from a company who wants to enforce DRM by locking the framebuffer, I would not waste your breath on AMD. [08:39] maybe it's time to upload new server&vesa to feisty-proposed [08:39] I hope their $600m quarterly losses trend continues until they realize what their consumers want [08:39] wow... I'm cold today :) [08:39] jdong: yeah, I use to hate Intel (wintel) for siding with Microsoft on so many things, but lately with the ATI/AMD merge, I'm looking more at the rare Intel/Nvidia boxen [08:39] tepsipakki: does that fix it, or just make things crash? [08:39] speaking of, is that intel 950 chip worth a shit, I see it in a bunch of laptops now [08:39] sponix: intell is OSS friendly.... [08:40] sponix: Intel have the best Linux/Open drivers you'll get [08:40] sponix: and the GMA950 is the start of a better trend in GPU power [08:40] sponix: it's still not spectacular, but the GMA x3000 is due to be out this quarter === Treenaks wonders how good the via chips/drivers are nowadays [08:40] and next year's montavena is bringing even a better GMA [08:41] Mithrandir: can you please give-back hal on powerpc and sparc? it failed due to a python package inconsistency, but it looks fine now [08:41] Treenaks: via_sata has always been buggy for me [08:41] wtf is a GMA ? [08:41] at the BIOS level === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-28-161.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:41] jdong: no, I mean unichrome :) [08:41] jdong: the X thing [08:41] sponix: "graphics media accelerator" [08:41] so, I shouldn't be scared of getting a laptop with an intel video chip aye [08:41] a video card, in other words. [08:41] you should welcome Intel video [08:41] one of the best 100% OSS video cards [08:41] heard of gpu.. never gma :P [08:41] GMA is intel's branding [08:41] Intel GMA950 [08:41] actually it's the Intel 945GMA [08:42] yay marketing bling [08:42] the more terms, the more likely people will say it? [08:42] Mithrandir: likewise avahi [08:42] and maybe your nickname for AMD should be amDRM too :D [08:43] pitti: doing [08:43] sladen: drpping the vesa-patch and adding one to server seems to work for at least some of the reporters [08:43] +o [08:44] jdong: thanks for the info [08:44] not a problem [08:45] crap I got right now doesn't even do beryl [08:45] yes it does [08:45] pitti: both given back [08:45] set up Xgl [08:45] but this is very OT [08:45] OT ? [08:45] fwiw I have an x1400 mobile and have been running Xgl and Beryl since Dapper [08:45] Mithrandir: thanks [08:46] off topic... this is a developer channel [08:46] for development related topics [08:46] jdong: fair enough, good to know anyway [08:46] yep :) [08:46] <\sh> hmmmm...I just received an email from LP about my expiration of core-dev membership...and now I have to talk to the team admin ;) which is sabdfl... what is the correct way? talking to the tb on the 5th of may during the normal meeting, or talking to sabdfl? [08:47] I normally am off topic, thats why #ubuntu-offtopic is my main channel :P === allee [n=ach@dialin-145-254-251-234.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:47] tepsipakki: ping me when it's up and I'll test it here (Intel) [08:48] tepsipakki: same goes; I have the affected x1400 ; be glad to test [08:48] pitti: have you seen the new gnome disk manager? [08:48] sladen: you have problems with intel? This isn't for you, then ;) [08:48] jdong: did you do the same thing I did, boot from CD, install commercial driver from thumbdrive, and proceed ? :) [08:48] Mithrandir: not yet; I hope it's more sensible than the old disks-admin [08:48] sponix: nope, I grabbed it from the repositories :) [08:49] pitti: http://flomertens.free.fr/disk-manager/features.html , but you probably already have the URL. [08:49] jdong: http://users.tkk.fi/~tjaalton/dpkg, grab the latest vesa and server [08:49] jdong: sadly enough, I'm in Iraq on a _very_ restricted net most of the time, I have issues pulling anything :P [08:49] pitti: might be nice to investigate and see how it fits in with the rest of our stack. [08:49] how do I get a people.u.c account? [08:49] tepsipakki: will do... tomorrow... bed time [08:49] jdong: speaking of, is there anyway I could get you to tarball ndiswrapper and all its deps (ndisgtk as well) for me ? [08:50] jdong: I really want to get Feisty up to speed, but without ndiswrapper I'm shot, only open net I have is wireless [08:50] tepsipakki: i don't think it's possible at the moment but you can try asking to our sysadmins [08:51] fabbione: something b0rked? [08:51] tepsipakki: currently, you don't, it's canonical employees only. I'm not sure if we're looking at changing that, but maybe we should. [08:51] tepsipakki: what Mithrandir said [08:51] oh, I thought it was for core-devs [08:51] I think it's come up at TB meetings in the past [08:51] Mithrandir: thanks; I'll take a look at it a bit later [08:51] nevermind then :) [08:51] jdong: could I msg && bother you for a bit ? [08:52] ajmitch: do you know if it has been resolved one way or the other? [08:52] Mithrandir: I don't think it was === Spads [n=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:55] My recollection is that it was left unresolved. [08:56] it was, I just found the logs from that meeting === hjmf [n=hjmf@6.Red-88-25-28.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:56] ajmitch: Which meeting was it? [08:57] october 10 [08:57] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Technical-2006-10-10 === mvo [n=egon@p54A674FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:03] tepsipakki: the best you can do at the moment is scp stuff to bazaar.launchpad.net [09:05] it seems like the consensus from that discussion was "we should provide an upload area, mdz will follow up with sysadmins" [09:06] I haven't seen anything further on that topic. [09:06] see the lines from 16:32:09 to 16:34:30 [09:07] Mithrandir: Yeah... Do you know if anything happened with regard to that? [09:07] I haven't seen anything, no. Somebody could ask mdz when he shows up if there has been any conclusion on it. === carlos [n=carlos@canonical/launchpad/carlos] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@159.217-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:18] grep: /usr/lib/libcairo.la: No such file or directory [09:18] erk, seeeb [09:19] no, it's a bug in something shipping a .la file but failing to depend on libcairo [09:19] +-dev [09:19] right, I'm just not sure where to start looking; so I'll just check all the 230423 build deps of gnome-mount [09:20] I think we should try to get rid of all .la files this cycle. === pitti tries grep libcairo.la /usr/lib/*.la === vciaglia [n=vciaglia@host226-37-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sponix [n=riiight@81.90.21.226] has joined #ubuntu-devel === did447 [n=didier@mon75-2-81-57-110-167.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Bye!"] === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@221.216.20.2] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:46] hey seb218 [09:46] hey seb128, too [09:46] hey pitti ;) [09:46] for i in range(129): print "hello seb" + i [09:46] str(), but anyway === mat [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra_ [n=zdra@159.217-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@159.217-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lbm [n=lbm@0x555373ab.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdz [n=mdz@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tkamppeter_ [n=till@bl8-123-98.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:01] 0.upto 128 do |i| puts "hello seb#{i}" end [10:01] puts "hello pitti, too" [10:01] hi ion_ [10:02] MA VIENIIII!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [10:02] eh whops [10:02] wrong chan [10:02] sorry === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C1A48C.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:04] fabbione: loool. I can understand! :) === sky_walkie [i=czzhrd02@xdsl-563.lodz.dialog.net.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mario_ [n=mario@83-131-70-177.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:04] hi folks [10:05] Hi mario === ivoks [n=ivoks@5-14.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:06] hi :) [10:07] lu saispo === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-213-189-171-21.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ssam [n=ssam@87.127.117.246] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@159.217-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ubiq [n=ubiq@121.32.11.162] has joined #ubuntu-devel === did447 [n=didier@mon75-2-81-57-110-167.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shiyee [n=Shiyee@homer.cs.aau.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vciaglia [n=vciaglia@host226-37-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.159.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomaszD [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mthaddon [n=mthaddon@canonical/launchpad/mthaddon] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:54] <\sh> I have bootup problem with udev and ldap (on dapper). === mdz [n=mdz@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Watersevenub [n=Watersev@242-105.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:54] Launchpad is going down in 15 mins for a code update. Estimated downtime is 10 mins or less. [10:55] <\sh> udevd is starting, and trying to lookup users, our user base is ldap and compat (reading nsswitch.conf), now, network is not configured and udevd tries round about 5 mins to lookup the user...how can I disable nsswitch user lookup via ldap for udev only? === ivoks [n=ivoks@21-187.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:55] use 'compat ldap' instead of 'ldap compat'? [10:55] <\sh> ajmitch, already using [10:55] or a libnss-ldap that has sane timeouts === ajmitch didn't think the dapper libnss-ldap had those problems [10:56] mvo: FYI, I'm grabbing your ucf merge since I need it for dovecot; unless you are already at it? [10:56] <\sh> bug 51315 [10:56] Launchpad bug 51315 in libnss-ldap "udevd: nss_ldap: failed to bind to LDAP server" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51315 [10:57] which was pretty much just for edgy [10:58] ensure that any users needed by udev are in /etc/passwd? [10:58] <\sh> cjwatson, well, which user is not in /etc/passwd for udev? [10:58] or groups in /etc/group [10:58] pitti: feel free, I have not started with them yet, just make sure the debconf stuff that I added is still there afterwards :) [10:58] \sh: I don't know; you're the one with the failing system [10:59] <\sh> cjwatson, for udev all users should be in /etc/passwd [10:59] mvo: did you send that to Debian? the latest version doesn't have it [10:59] \sh: iirc nvram was one [10:59] <\sh> ajmitch, yeah, just trying to fix it with this grou [10:59] <\sh> but at least it's a bug then ;) === Adri2000_ [n=adri2000@ubuntu/member/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:59] mvo: argh, this is a hell of a diff [11:00] pitti: can you give me the url? I have a look, my initial patch was quite small IIRC [11:00] mvo: no URL, I just apt-get source'd our, Debian's, and the debian-snapshot base version and debdiffed [11:01] mvo: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/tmp/ucf-ubuntu.diff [11:02] mvo: it doesn't look very ubuntu specific AFAICS [11:02] <\sh> ajmitch, it was nvram group missing in /etc/group [11:02] <\sh> this group has to be added to the default [11:02] pitti: no, I send it to debian but got no feedback [11:03] pitti: its pretty important for upgrades with anything that uses a GUI [11:03] (synaptic, adept, u-m, ...) [11:03] mvo: hm, too bad; same is true for Debian, interactive stuff on the console is evil [11:03] <\sh> cjwatson, what is the best package to file a bug report about a missing group for udev? ,-) [11:03] pitti: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=325576 [11:03] Debian bug 325576 in ucf "ucf: should use debconf to display the diff results" [Normal,Open] [11:04] mvo: ah, thanks [11:04] \sh: why does it read passwd in the first place? [11:04] \sh: wouldn't it be better to do getent passwd? [11:04] ivoks: no.. [11:05] pitti: let me know if you want me to do the merge [11:05] mvo: oh, I'm almost done, it's fine [11:05] I just wondered about the rationale [11:05] aha, ok [11:05] thanks :) === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:06] ajmitch: i might ask stupid question; but.. why? :) === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:06] ivoks: this is an nss module (libnss-ldap) that is timing out - udev is doing things the normal way [11:06] oh... ok [11:06] lots of fun [11:06] morning sabdfl [11:06] \sh: pretty sure there's already a bug about that [11:07] pretty sure it's been fixed in feisty too, nvram is in /etc/group here [11:07] it worked in dapper, iirc [11:07] (working :) [11:08] <\sh> ivoks, nope...I have a couple of dappers here...they all have this problem when network is not started, so ldap can't be reached [11:08] \sh: what libnss-ldap version? [11:08] <\sh> wait...I have to reconnect to the box :( === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [11:09] \sh: eh, i didn't have that test-case cause if network wasn't available, it wouldn't boot at all :) [11:09] <\sh> 238-1.1ubuntu1 [11:09] <\sh> ivoks, first comes udev, then the network... [11:09] <\sh> but nsswicth is already there [11:10] \sh: in my case it was network first, then kernel === jml [n=jml@59.167.203.115] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bdgraue [n=bdgraue@dyndsl-085-016-027-253.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gicmo [n=gicmo@p5491E2BC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Monk-e [n=guido-fe@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bdgraue_ [n=bdgraue@dyndsl-085-016-169-160.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === azeem_ is now known as azeem === chand| [n=rsamson@hoth.linagora.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chand|_ [n=rsamson@hoth.linagora.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chand|_ [n=rsamson@hoth.linagora.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:03] fabbione: Letting agents just turned up. Be with you in a bit. [12:09] Gone again. [12:09] fabbione: AYT? === pochu [n=emilio@131.Red-83-57-165.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tkamppeter__ [n=till@bl7-124-182.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gpocentek [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:24] iwj: sorry i was having lunch. i need to run away for another 10/15 minutes.. is it ok with you? === fabbione will be back very soon [12:26] Sure. === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === hjmf [n=hjmf@6.Red-88-25-28.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman_ [i=gman@nat/sun/x-2455262aeb120844] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vciaglia [n=vciaglia@host226-37-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:37] re === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #ubuntu-devel === grayman [n=grayman@89.0.181.179.dynamic.barak-online.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [n=spacehob@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arby [n=richard@shiny.york.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jmg [n=cartel@shinobi.thoughtcrime.org.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:55] hey all [12:55] bring me the head of the alsa maintainer [12:57] why? [12:57] because jmg wants to fix all the bugs, it seems [12:58] i want to file some bugs [12:58] but i need more info [12:58] about the way alsa is configured in ubuntu [12:58] specifically i want to help it configure 5.1 [12:59] because right now its not. [12:59] saying "bring me the head of the alsa maintainer" really isn't the best way to get any help [12:59] it got some attention [12:59] not from the alsa maintainer [01:00] i see him [01:00] by him, i mean the last person to touch it in edgy [01:00] hmm [01:01] i suppose i had better upgrade to feisty... but i dont want to break my nice media center setup [01:01] because my bug may be fixed in feisty [01:02] so what im really asking is how to configure 5.1 in edgy, but that is not an appropriate question for -devel [01:02] good call [01:03] but maybe crimsun could give me an idea of how it is configured at the moment, because im looking and it doesnt like any of the stuff under /usr/share/alsa/pcm gets used === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:04] /etc/init.d/alsa-utils is braindead in that respect [01:10] hm, still getting bitten by debian bug 420895 on upgrading tzdata, was someone looking at that? [01:10] Debian bug 420895 in tzdata "tzdata: debconf logic can't handle single-level zones defined in backward" [Important,Closed] http://bugs.debian.org/420895 === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:11] ajmitch: we haven't merged the Debian fix yet [01:12] ajmitch: feel like taking care of that? :) [01:12] sure [01:12] it's -5 I think === cvrse [n=ben@ppp196-42.lns3.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === smurf [n=smurf@debian/developer/smurf] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sysdef [i=sysdef@debiancenter/staff/cacert.assurer.sysdef] has joined #ubuntu-devel === EtienneG [n=etienne@ubuntu/member/EtienneG] has joined #ubuntu-devel === codingmaster [n=codingma@dslb-084-058-206-181.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:41] mdz, cjwatson: how do I go about hijacking a spec. I'd rather do that than create yet more duplicates [01:42] (I take it the distro drivers have the power) [01:43] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/speech-recognition and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/installer-for-windows [01:43] heno: just start editing, normally [01:43] heno: I can assign you as drafter or something if you like [01:45] done for both === thesaltydog [n=fabio@ubuntu/member/thesaltydog] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:45] cjwatson: thanks, I now have many more options === thesaltydog [n=fabio@ubuntu/member/thesaltydog] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === cvrse- [n=ben@ppp196-42.lns3.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:47] Mithrandir: are you running the autosyncer, or are the things in ~lp_archive/syncs/ manual? [01:47] looks like they're auto === lifeless [n=robertc@ppp245-86.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:00] cjwatson: installer-for-windows is already on Scott's schedule; I've added an agenda. I take it I should not propose it for the meeting via LP, but that you will link it manually (?) === hjmf [n=hjmf@6.Red-88-25-28.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === auTONYmous [n=NunyaBiz@c-68-62-28-177.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:04] heno: yep === PhilK [n=PhilK@mail.pressure-pro.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vciaglia [n=vciaglia@host140-27-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:09] cjwatson: I started it on auto, but it needs a bit of waiting before I can run it so I don't end up syncing the bits already synced in the previous run. [02:09] re [02:10] Mithrandir: right [02:10] I just used a different directory and some hacked scripts for the syncs I wanted to do [02:10] okie === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-94-19.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra twiddles thumbs while watching the gutsy dist-upgrade [02:12] cjwatson: seems happier now, so rerunning -a === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D85D6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:17] Mithrandir: can you please give-back gnome-volume-manager on sparc and powerpc? [02:18] pitti: given-back [02:19] bah, no libnotify yet ... g-s-s doesnt build ... [02:19] ogra: and no hal-info! OMG THE WORLD IS FALLING APART [02:20] i can't distupgrade to gutsy! [02:20] NO HAL INFO !!! Ohh my god ! === pitti pats his local .deb [02:20] ogra: if i were you i would start to worry about that after UDS [02:20] how are we supposed to ever access hardware again ? [02:20] i guess Mithrandir and cjwatson are keeping the world busy with debian sync [02:21] ogra: oh, my fault, should be in NEW [02:21] i just upgraded fine over here ... [02:21] weekend time === fabbione takes off [02:21] ogra: NEWed [02:22] <\sh> hmmm...MoM still adds feisty to debian/changelogs in ubuntu version, right? [02:22] \sh: oh, is it back? [02:22] looks like [02:22] nope, still with March data [02:22] at least the webpage [02:22] ah [02:23] <\sh> argl [02:23] pitti: I have 3 -security uploads for universe that I'm in the middle of preparing. Shall I hit you up a little later about them? [02:23] StevenK: yes, please do so [02:23] pitti: The package is mydns if you're curious. === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:25] fabbione: hey, I'm just trying to clear out my own syncs :P [02:26] cjwatson: ehehhe yeah yeah :) === thekorn [n=thekorn@a81-14-149-174.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:27] rest of you can fend for yourselves [02:28] cjwatson: have fun.. i can wait for my syncs after the archive is stabilized a bit :) [02:28] i had enough to sync into redhat-cluster for today === fabbione -> weekend === giskard [n=giskard@213-140-22-74.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C1A48C.access.telenet.be] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [02:47] hm, not all bad stats: [02:47] Out-of-date BUT modified: 706 (5.53%) [02:47] Updated: 347 (2.72%) [02:47] Ubuntu Specific: 2189 (17.14%) [02:47] Up-to-date [Modified] : 1287 (10.08%) [02:47] Up-to-date: 8233 (64.46%) [02:47] Blacklisted: 11 (0.09%) [02:47] Broken: 0 (0.00%) [02:47] the ubuntu specific one looks pretty bad since we haven't synced removals yet. === sysdef [i=sysdef@debiancenter/staff/cacert.assurer.sysdef] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [02:49] Mithrandir: Ah, but how many removals are there? [02:49] unsure. [02:49] as in, I haven't gotten that far yet. === StevenK nods. === Hobbsee is sure geser will get thru all the universe ones in a couple of days... [02:50] Yeah, well. [02:51] we should try & get on top of them asap [02:52]