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| lontra | i heard news that kickoff might be the default menu in gutsy ... is that true? | 12:29 |
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| nixternal | Riddell: http://www.nixternal.com/pkg = you want kdocs-edgy and kdocs-feisty for updated packages (they both contain a debdiff) | 02:35 |
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| manchicken_ | Time to upgrade my chroot to the latest feisty... | 05:13 |
| Hobbsee | manchicken_: not gutsy? | 05:18 |
| manchicken_ | Wasn't aware repos were available for that yet. | 05:21 |
| Hobbsee | they are | 05:21 |
| manchicken_ | Is it actually gutsy GNU? | 05:30 |
| nixternal | heh, you wish | 05:33 |
| manchicken_ | nixternal: It would be nice. | 05:34 |
| nixternal | Kubuntu is GNU as you are going to get around here | 05:35 |
| manchicken_ | ? | 05:35 |
| nixternal | that is supposed to change though according to sabdfl and gutsy | 05:35 |
| manchicken_ | I'm not sure I understand what you just said. | 05:35 |
| nixternal | it was kind of a play on words, instead of GNU you could substitute it with good | 05:36 |
| manchicken_ | Ah. Gotcha. | 05:36 |
| manchicken_ | So what are these repos? | 05:43 |
| Hobbsee | the gutsy ones? | 05:45 |
| Hobbsee | same place as the edgy/feisty ones | 05:45 |
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| giangy | yawhn | 07:41 |
| giangy | 'morning | 07:41 |
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| greeneggsnospam | doh! | 09:12 |
| Jucato | ugh... | 09:12 |
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| greeneggsnospam | lol | 09:12 |
| greeneggsnospam | its not me! | 09:12 |
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| Jucato | heh :) | 09:13 |
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| larsivi | why isn't the theme manager part of system settings, but only in kcontrol ? | 01:19 |
| Hobbsee | larsivi: a bug, i'd say. | 01:24 |
| Hobbsee | larsivi: but not everything is in system settings | 01:24 |
| Hobbsee | or is it in the advanced mode? | 01:24 |
| larsivi | didn't find it at least - I did a search and it seems like others have noted it too | 01:25 |
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| Hobbsee | ahhh | 01:29 |
| Hobbsee | there's a bug for it? | 01:29 |
| larsivi | no idea, I was able to start kcontrol :P | 01:30 |
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| Hobbsee | heh | 01:36 |
| mhb | well, it's a semi-bug, I'd say | 01:38 |
| mhb | I believe people like to download whole themes and then tweak it, which we can't provide yet | 01:41 |
| mhb | however, the "theme manager" in feisty seems to lack stuff like "splash screen" | 01:42 |
| mhb | and with one "theme manager" in place, we would have to rethink the whole "Look &Feel" cathegory | 01:42 |
| mhb | my 2 cents, of course :o) | 01:43 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: I remember you talking about a devel meeting before UDS, will that happen, | 01:44 |
| mhb | ? | 01:44 |
| larsivi | I agree with you two, and the theme manager and/or themes themselves look a bit fragile | 01:44 |
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| Hobbsee | mhb: do you have anything that you want to say at the meeting? | 01:46 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: well, this topic is a thing that could be discussed | 01:47 |
| Hobbsee | true | 01:48 |
| Hobbsee | it depends if a) people have things they want to discuss and b) if we can find a time to suit people | 01:48 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: even Ubuntu considered having a "wide theme switcher" before (not sure why or how it ended) | 01:48 |
| mhb | https://blueprints.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/wide-theme-switcher <-- that was it | 01:49 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: interesting | 01:52 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: course, it's giong to be interesting to see what gets proritized, with kde4 and all | 01:53 |
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| larsivi | the biggest problem with the themes, are generally that not all programs seems to follow them, or that they are too incomplete for a typical setup | 02:02 |
| mhb | larsivi: hmm, can you describe that a bit more? | 02:03 |
| mhb | larsivi: an example perhaps | 02:03 |
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| === Tm_T has never seen complete theme downloadable somewhere | ||
| Tm_T | well, that depends what "theme" means | 02:04 |
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| larsivi | mhb: actually, they may be followed, but possibly the theme hadn't been tested with the program or similar | 02:04 |
| larsivi | mhb: I want a dark theme, lot's of black background, lighter text | 02:04 |
| Tm_T | larsivi: and matching icons etc | 02:05 |
| larsivi | mhb: but in knode, read topics get black text, meaning I don't see them | 02:05 |
| larsivi | Tm_T: that too, of course, although the simplistic b&w icon set works for quite a lot | 02:05 |
| Tm_T | larsivi: true | 02:05 |
| larsivi | program icons don't fit that well always though | 02:05 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: email to kubuntu-devel on what you/whoever intends to do, for a start | 02:05 |
| Tm_T | and that's acceptable | 02:05 |
| Tm_T | bah, I promised I don't do any Ubuntu stuff today... | 02:06 |
| Tm_T | see you guys tomorrow o/ -> | 02:06 |
| Hobbsee | Tm_T: heh | 02:08 |
| larsivi | mhb: knode seems to have some particular definitions for colors, which are not taken from the theme - to customize those, I have to redefine the stuff that _is_ taken from the theme too | 02:12 |
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| mhb | larsivi: bad knode ! :o) Well, it's in "universe" repository, so it's better to complain in upstream (bugs.kde.org) | 02:26 |
| larsivi | mhb: I'm not complaining ;) and afaik, knode will be removed for some other solution with kde4 (?) | 02:27 |
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| larsivi | mhb: hmm, a more prevalent example seems to be the address bar content in konqueror - it's black on black | 02:38 |
| mhb | larsivi: thanks | 02:38 |
| mhb | larsivi: feel free to post those errors on bugs.kde.org, as it's not something we (the Kubuntu folks) are responsible for | 02:38 |
| mhb | :o) | 02:38 |
| larsivi | yah, I know | 02:39 |
| Hobbsee | why oh why am i sponsoring uploads, when i should be doing assignments? | 02:41 |
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| ryanakca | Riddell: for the documentation volunteer hours... send them to you or nixternal/mdke/other doc guru? | 06:02 |
| nixternal | ryanakca: I would probably send them to Riddell and I can verify if needed | 06:06 |
| ryanakca | kk | 06:06 |
| nixternal | mdke is quite busy right now, especially with the CC nominations | 06:06 |
| ryanakca | ah, k | 06:06 |
| nixternal | I can confirm you haven't done anything ;p | 06:07 |
| nixternal | muhehehe | 06:07 |
| ryanakca | lol | 06:07 |
| ryanakca | I can confirm that as well | 06:07 |
| nixternal | haha, you are working on the server guide right? | 06:07 |
| ryanakca | yep | 06:07 |
| nixternal | rock on with your bad self | 06:08 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: oooh, I can finally switch to irssi :) http://anti.teamidiot.de/static/nei/*/Code/Irssi/adv_windowlist.pl ... http://f0rked.com/articles/irssi/irssi-numbered.png | 06:09 |
| ryanakca | no more autowho with Konversation/KVIrc | 06:09 |
| nixternal | ryanakca: do you have a screenshot with the adv_windowlist? | 06:10 |
| nixternal | I would like to see it in action | 06:10 |
| ryanakca | the .png is one... look towards the bottom | 06:10 |
| ryanakca | I can get you another one too, just a sec | 06:10 |
| nixternal | ahh, OK. Ya, I used something similar at first, but being in around 50 channels at a time, that fills up quickly | 06:11 |
| ryanakca | lol | 06:11 |
| nixternal | so now I know my channels by numbers | 06:11 |
| === ryanakca can't seem to join more than 23 in irssi... | ||
| ryanakca | even though I have +u | 06:11 |
| nixternal | once you have irssi configured the way you want, and you save your layout so it is the same every time, it will only take you a day or 2 to remember which channel corresponds to which number | 06:12 |
| nixternal | +6Ieiuw | 06:12 |
| nixternal | whatever the heck all that means | 06:12 |
| nixternal | ryanakca: konversation hasn't setup a SendQ yet? I thought the patch I sent in like 6 months ago fixed that | 06:13 |
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| ryanakca | guess not | 06:17 |
| ryanakca | It was happening a month and a half ago, every other day. After getting banned from half my channels for the 3rd time in a week and a half, I switched to KVIrc | 06:18 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: now KVIrc is acting up | 06:18 |
| nixternal | hrmm, KVIrc I wouldn't expect it from | 06:18 |
| ryanakca | one client, I can understand, but 2 is kindof odd | 06:18 |
| nixternal | I think freenode has their settings cranked up or something, they say they don't, but it is hard for me to believe that KVIrc is doing it as well | 06:18 |
| ryanakca | and it's the first time it's happened in a month and a bit | 06:19 |
| nixternal | KVIrc is a graphical irssi pretty much | 06:19 |
| ryanakca | twice in a day | 06:19 |
| nixternal | ya, it all of a sudden starts happening | 06:19 |
| nixternal | it was the same thing with konversation | 06:19 |
| ryanakca | happened at 3 yesterday, and then at about 11 | 06:19 |
| nixternal | one day out of the blue it just starting choking | 06:19 |
| === ryanakca nods | ||
| nixternal | I spoke to nalioth about it and he said it was Konversation | 06:20 |
| === ryanakca nods | ||
| nixternal | heh | 06:20 |
| ryanakca | hmm... before you know it, irssi will be choking and everybody will switch to telnet or nc | 06:20 |
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| nixternal | haha | 06:21 |
| nixternal | I would like to be able to use the ssl connection here, but that is a definite no, OFTCs ssl connection works somewhat, but it tends to dc all the time | 06:21 |
| nixternal | alrighty, work time | 06:22 |
| nixternal | back in a bit | 06:22 |
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| ryanakca | nixternal: did it again | 06:49 |
| nixternal | heh | 06:50 |
| nixternal | good job | 06:50 |
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| RockMan | hi | 07:48 |
| nixternal | hiya RockMan | 07:53 |
| RockMan | i was searching for the kdebluetooth maintainer.. he was tonio_, right? | 07:55 |
| nixternal | Original-Maintainer: Simone Gotti <simone.gotti@email.it> | 07:57 |
| nixternal | that is what I get from the package itself, that is not to say that tonio has been doing it recently though | 07:57 |
| nixternal | I am not 100% on it, so don't trust it ;) | 07:57 |
| RockMan | no i mean the kubuntu maintainer | 07:58 |
| nixternal | yes, it looks like tonio has done a lot of the packaging for it | 08:00 |
| nixternal | the last package was doing by M. Vogt | 08:00 |
| nixternal | s/doing/sone | 08:00 |
| nixternal | err | 08:00 |
| nixternal | s/sone/done | 08:00 |
| RockMan | :P | 08:00 |
| RockMan | ok, thanks | 08:00 |
| nixternal | no problemo | 08:00 |
| giangy | nixternal: you should learn italian! =) | 08:01 |
| nixternal | I should probably learn English properly first | 08:02 |
| nixternal | I can understand Spanish and cuss at you in Spanish :) | 08:02 |
| nixternal | I know "Mambo Italiano" | 08:02 |
| giangy | bueno :-) | 08:02 |
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| nixternal | how possible is it to add a "Fix/Reinstall Grub" option with the install CDs? I have seen people messing up their grub setups lately by installing Windows of all things | 08:47 |
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| Erunno | Hi, I've submitted a bug report (Bug #110566) but nobody seems to have noticed it so far. | 08:52 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 110566 in Ubuntu "kio_videodvd does not work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/110566 | 08:52 |
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| ryanakca | nixternal: you wanted a screenshot: http://blog.ryanak.ca/irssi.png | 09:00 |
| nixternal | looks good | 09:00 |
| === ryanakca nods | ||
| ryanakca | if conly I could get that libnotify to work | 09:03 |
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| Riddell | RockMan: we don't have specific maintainers, but tonio has indeed been doing bluetooth stuff for kubuntu | 09:42 |
| Riddell | RockMan: what's wrong? | 09:42 |
| RockMan | Riddell: it's missing devel headers | 09:42 |
| RockMan | so kmobiletools can't compile with bluetooth support | 09:42 |
| Riddell | RockMan: what is? kdebluetooth? | 09:44 |
| RockMan | Riddell: yep | 09:44 |
| RockMan | Riddell: kdebluetooth/*.h includes | 09:44 |
| Riddell | RockMan: there's qobex-dev | 09:45 |
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| Riddell | that's just /usr/include/kde/qobex/* | 09:46 |
| RockMan | Riddell: no, it doesn't provide the same includes | 09:47 |
| RockMan | kmobiletools needs what's in libkbluetooth, i.e. rfcommsocketdevice.h and related includes | 09:47 |
| RockMan | plus inquiry.h for devices discovery, and so on | 09:47 |
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| Riddell | RockMan: so kmobiletools needs libkbluetooth and for compiling it's headers? | 09:50 |
| RockMan | Riddell: yep | 09:51 |
| RockMan | it's an optional dependency actually, but very useful imho | 09:51 |
| Riddell | RockMan: is it new? | 09:52 |
| Riddell | needing it | 09:52 |
| RockMan | yes, for 0.5 (beta2) | 09:52 |
| RockMan | beta1 didn't have this dependency | 09:53 |
| Riddell | RockMan: ok, so we need to separate libkbluetooth into a new package and make a libkbluetooth-dev for the headers | 09:53 |
| RockMan | Riddell: if it's easier for you to not split it, i don't care, since it can be considered a transitional package | 09:54 |
| RockMan | with kde4 things will change | 09:54 |
| Riddell | gutsy won't be kde 4 though, splitting isn't hard | 09:54 |
| Riddell | although it needs to be approved by archive admins which can take some time if we're unlucky | 09:54 |
| RockMan | well since kmobiletools it's not yet officially out, ok | 10:02 |
| Riddell | RockMan: what are the plans for bluetooth and mobiletools? | 10:03 |
| RockMan | well for kde 3.x, just release kmobiletools 0.5 with a basic gammu engine (which is going to be implemented right now), for bluetooth dgollub is working on the dbus branch, but i'm not sure if he's going to release soon a kde 3.x version | 10:04 |
| RockMan | for kde4, kmobiletools is being ported (currently it even works with at engine), and there's already a bluetooth interface on solid... more working on kdebluetooth will come with summer of code, there's a project for that | 10:05 |
| RockMan | probably we'll move the rfcomm socket class from kdebluetooth to kmobiletools, but this isn't for sure yet | 10:06 |
| Riddell | what's a gammu engine? | 10:07 |
| RockMan | an engine for kmobiletools using gammu as backend :) | 10:08 |
| Riddell | ok, but what's gammu smarty? | 10:08 |
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| RockMan | a fork of gnokii | 10:08 |
| RockMan | (and what's gnokii? :P) | 10:08 |
| RockMan | they're tools for nokia phones, above all | 10:09 |
| Riddell | mm, we don't have gnokii in main | 10:09 |
| Riddell | can't remember exactly why but it failed review for some reason | 10:10 |
| Riddell | so we may not be able to support gammu | 10:10 |
| RockMan | gnokii is not actively maintained, and even gammu had some problems (now it's a bit better, luckly) | 10:10 |
| Riddell | will it be an optional dependency? | 10:11 |
| RockMan | in the 3.x branch, yes, but with some problems (hardcoded engine detection yet) | 10:12 |
| RockMan | in kde4 it will be just a runtime plugin that can be loaded, so it will not be a dependency at all | 10:12 |
| RockMan | you can just have kmobiletools without engines, and add dependencies not to kmobiletools, but to each engines (so gammu-engine will depend on gammu) | 10:13 |
| Riddell | I can try and get it into main but can't guarantee it | 10:13 |
| RockMan | ok, thanks :) | 10:13 |
| RockMan | we should also work on another engine based on opensync, for syncml phones, but we've no developers, so we still should start even planning it | 10:14 |
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| Riddell | what are you if not developers? :) | 10:18 |
| RockMan | lol | 10:19 |
| RockMan | well, good news is that engines are not high-priorities, we could even release them later, since they're runtime modules only | 10:20 |
| Riddell | thanks, that's all helpful | 10:22 |
| mhb | how's the sync framework in kubuntu going? | 10:23 |
| mhb | some people have asked me whether there is a out-of-the-box sync framework for Kontact | 10:24 |
| Riddell | stevek was working on a spec to get it all working on gutsy | 10:29 |
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| _StefanS_ | evenings | 10:42 |
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| mhb | Riddell: that would be great | 11:17 |
| mhb | Riddell: is it to be discussed on UDS? | 11:17 |
| Riddell | it's not scheduled | 11:19 |
| Riddell | it just needs making sure there's a version of opensync that works with all the apps that use it and kdepim has the opensync stuff included | 11:19 |
| mhb | okay | 11:20 |
| mhb | Riddell: by the way, who is stevek ? | 11:20 |
| Riddell | stevenk | 11:21 |
| marseillai_ | making a package is allready something wich is not simple! but using gpg, revu, is really doing everything for not being a pleasure to contribute | 11:27 |
| Riddell | mhb: hmm, can't find it now | 11:27 |
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| mhb | ryanakca: how's the kolab server doing? | 11:53 |
| ryanakca | mhb: umm... haven't worked on it since a couple of weeks ago | 11:54 |
| ryanakca | mhb: I'm waiting for a response from canonical as to wether or not I can use groupware.kubuntu.org | 11:55 |
| mhb | ryanakca: hmm, too bad | 11:55 |
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| ryanakca | mhb: you can use the ip address if you want | 11:56 |
| ryanakca | 89.16.161.77 | 11:56 |
| mhb | ryanakca: how do you connect to that? | 11:58 |
| mhb | with the kolabwizard? | 11:58 |
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