[12:29] <lontra> i heard news that kickoff might be the default menu in gutsy ... is that true?
[02:35] <nixternal> Riddell: http://www.nixternal.com/pkg  = you want kdocs-edgy and kdocs-feisty for updated packages (they both contain a debdiff)
[05:13] <manchicken_> Time to upgrade my chroot to the latest feisty...
[05:18] <Hobbsee> manchicken_: not gutsy?
[05:21] <manchicken_> Wasn't aware repos were available for that yet.
[05:21] <Hobbsee> they are
[05:30] <manchicken_> Is it actually gutsy GNU?
[05:33] <nixternal> heh, you wish
[05:34] <manchicken_> nixternal: It would be nice.
[05:35] <nixternal> Kubuntu is GNU as you are going to get around here
[05:35] <manchicken_> ?
[05:35] <nixternal> that is supposed to change though according to sabdfl and gutsy
[05:35] <manchicken_> I'm not sure I understand what you just said.
[05:36] <nixternal> it was kind of a play on words, instead of GNU you could substitute it with good
[05:36] <manchicken_> Ah.  Gotcha.
[05:43] <manchicken_> So what are these repos?
[05:45] <Hobbsee> the gutsy ones?
[05:45] <Hobbsee> same place as the edgy/feisty ones
[07:41] <giangy> yawhn
[07:41] <giangy> 'morning
[09:12] <greeneggsnospam> doh!
[09:12] <Jucato> ugh...
[09:12] <greeneggsnospam> lol
[09:12] <greeneggsnospam> its not me!
[09:13] <Jucato> heh :)
[01:19] <larsivi> why isn't the theme manager part of system settings, but only in kcontrol ?
[01:24] <Hobbsee> larsivi: a bug, i'd say.
[01:24] <Hobbsee> larsivi: but not everything is in system settings
[01:24] <Hobbsee> or is it in the advanced mode?
[01:25] <larsivi> didn't find it at least - I did a search and it seems like others have noted it too
[01:29] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[01:29] <Hobbsee> there's a bug for it?
[01:30] <larsivi> no idea, I was able to start kcontrol :P
[01:36] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:38] <mhb> well, it's a semi-bug, I'd say
[01:41] <mhb> I believe people like to download whole themes and then tweak it, which we can't provide yet
[01:42] <mhb> however, the "theme manager" in feisty seems to lack stuff like "splash screen"
[01:42] <mhb> and with one "theme manager" in place, we would have to rethink the whole "Look &Feel" cathegory
[01:43] <mhb> my 2 cents, of course :o)
[01:44] <mhb> Hobbsee: I remember you talking about a devel meeting before UDS, will that happen,
[01:44] <mhb> ?
[01:44] <larsivi> I agree with you two, and the theme manager and/or themes themselves look a bit fragile
[01:46] <Hobbsee> mhb: do you have anything that you want to say at the meeting?
[01:47] <mhb> Hobbsee: well, this topic is a thing that could be discussed
[01:48] <Hobbsee> true
[01:48] <Hobbsee> it depends if a) people have things they want to discuss and b) if we can find a time to suit people
[01:48] <mhb> Hobbsee: even Ubuntu considered having a "wide theme switcher" before (not sure why or how it ended)
[01:49] <mhb> https://blueprints.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/wide-theme-switcher <-- that was it
[01:52] <Hobbsee> mhb: interesting
[01:53] <Hobbsee> mhb: course, it's giong to be interesting to see what gets proritized, with kde4 and all
[02:02] <larsivi> the biggest problem with the themes, are generally that not all programs seems to follow them, or that they are too incomplete for a typical setup
[02:03] <mhb> larsivi: hmm, can you describe that a bit more?
[02:03] <mhb> larsivi: an example perhaps
[02:04] <Tm_T> well, that depends what "theme" means
[02:04] <larsivi> mhb: actually, they may be followed, but possibly the theme hadn't been tested with the program or similar
[02:04] <larsivi> mhb: I want a dark theme, lot's of black background, lighter text
[02:05] <Tm_T> larsivi: and matching icons etc
[02:05] <larsivi> mhb: but in knode, read topics get black text, meaning I don't see them
[02:05] <larsivi> Tm_T: that too, of course, although the simplistic b&w icon set works for quite a lot
[02:05] <Tm_T> larsivi: true
[02:05] <larsivi> program icons don't fit that well always though
[02:05] <Hobbsee> mhb: email to kubuntu-devel on what you/whoever intends to do, for a start
[02:05] <Tm_T> and that's acceptable
[02:06] <Tm_T> bah, I promised I don't do any Ubuntu stuff today...
[02:06] <Tm_T> see you guys tomorrow o/ ->
[02:08] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: heh
[02:12] <larsivi> mhb: knode seems to have some particular definitions for colors, which are not taken from the theme - to customize those, I have to redefine the stuff that _is_ taken from the theme too
[02:26] <mhb> larsivi: bad knode ! :o) Well, it's in "universe" repository, so it's better to complain in upstream (bugs.kde.org)
[02:27] <larsivi> mhb: I'm not complaining ;) and afaik, knode will be removed for some other solution with kde4 (?)
[02:38] <larsivi> mhb: hmm, a more prevalent example seems to be the address bar content in konqueror - it's black on black
[02:38] <mhb> larsivi: thanks
[02:38] <mhb> larsivi: feel free to post those errors on bugs.kde.org, as it's not something we (the Kubuntu folks) are responsible for
[02:38] <mhb> :o)
[02:39] <larsivi> yah, I know
[02:41] <Hobbsee> why oh why am i sponsoring uploads, when i should be doing assignments?
[06:02] <ryanakca> Riddell: for the documentation volunteer hours... send them to you or nixternal/mdke/other doc guru?
[06:06] <nixternal> ryanakca: I would probably send them to Riddell and I can verify if needed
[06:06] <ryanakca> kk
[06:06] <nixternal> mdke is quite busy right now, especially with the CC nominations
[06:06] <ryanakca> ah, k
[06:07] <nixternal> I can confirm you haven't done anything ;p
[06:07] <nixternal> muhehehe
[06:07] <ryanakca> lol
[06:07] <ryanakca> I can confirm that as well
[06:07] <nixternal> haha, you are working on the server guide right?
[06:07] <ryanakca> yep
[06:08] <nixternal> rock on with your bad self
[06:09] <ryanakca> nixternal: oooh, I can finally switch to irssi :) http://anti.teamidiot.de/static/nei/*/Code/Irssi/adv_windowlist.pl ... http://f0rked.com/articles/irssi/irssi-numbered.png
[06:09] <ryanakca> no more autowho with Konversation/KVIrc
[06:10] <nixternal> ryanakca: do you have a screenshot with the adv_windowlist?
[06:10] <nixternal> I would like to see it in action
[06:10] <ryanakca> the .png is one... look towards the bottom
[06:10] <ryanakca> I can get you another one too, just a sec
[06:11] <nixternal> ahh, OK. Ya, I used something similar at first, but being in around 50 channels at a time, that fills up quickly
[06:11] <ryanakca> lol
[06:11] <nixternal> so now I know my channels by numbers
[06:11] <ryanakca> even though I have +u
[06:12] <nixternal> once you have irssi configured the way you want, and you save your layout so it is the same every time, it will only take you a day or 2 to remember which channel corresponds to which number
[06:12] <nixternal> +6Ieiuw
[06:12] <nixternal> whatever the heck all that means
[06:13] <nixternal> ryanakca: konversation hasn't setup a SendQ yet? I thought the patch I sent in like 6 months ago fixed that
[06:17] <ryanakca> guess not
[06:18] <ryanakca> It was happening a month and a half ago, every other day. After getting banned from half my channels for the 3rd time in a week and a half, I switched to KVIrc
[06:18] <ryanakca> nixternal: now KVIrc is acting up
[06:18] <nixternal> hrmm, KVIrc I wouldn't expect it from
[06:18] <ryanakca> one client, I can understand, but 2 is kindof odd
[06:18] <nixternal> I think freenode has their settings cranked up or something, they say they don't, but it is hard for me to believe that KVIrc is doing it as well
[06:19] <ryanakca> and it's the first time it's happened in a month and a bit
[06:19] <nixternal> KVIrc is a graphical irssi pretty much
[06:19] <ryanakca> twice in a day
[06:19] <nixternal> ya, it all of a sudden starts happening
[06:19] <nixternal> it was the same thing with konversation
[06:19] <ryanakca> happened at 3 yesterday, and then at about 11
[06:19] <nixternal> one day out of the blue it just starting choking
[06:20] <nixternal> I spoke to nalioth about it and he said it was Konversation
[06:20] <nixternal> heh
[06:20] <ryanakca> hmm... before you know it, irssi will be choking and everybody will switch to telnet or nc
[06:21] <nixternal> haha
[06:21] <nixternal> I would like to be able to use the ssl connection here, but that is a definite no, OFTCs ssl connection works somewhat, but it tends to dc all the time
[06:22] <nixternal> alrighty, work time
[06:22] <nixternal> back in a bit
[06:49] <ryanakca> nixternal: did it again
[06:50] <nixternal> heh
[06:50] <nixternal> good job
[07:48] <RockMan> hi
[07:53] <nixternal> hiya RockMan
[07:55] <RockMan> i was searching for the kdebluetooth maintainer.. he was tonio_, right?
[07:57] <nixternal> Original-Maintainer: Simone Gotti <simone.gotti@email.it>
[07:57] <nixternal> that is what I get from the package itself, that is not to say that tonio has been doing it recently though
[07:57] <nixternal> I am not 100% on it, so don't trust it ;)
[07:58] <RockMan> no i mean the kubuntu maintainer
[08:00] <nixternal> yes, it looks like tonio has done a lot of the packaging for it
[08:00] <nixternal> the last package was doing by M. Vogt
[08:00] <nixternal> s/doing/sone
[08:00] <nixternal> err
[08:00] <nixternal> s/sone/done
[08:00] <RockMan> :P
[08:00] <RockMan> ok, thanks
[08:00] <nixternal> no problemo
[08:01] <giangy> nixternal: you should learn italian! =)
[08:02] <nixternal> I should probably learn English properly first
[08:02] <nixternal> I can understand Spanish and cuss at you in Spanish :)
[08:02] <nixternal> I know "Mambo Italiano"
[08:02] <giangy> bueno :-)
[08:47] <nixternal> how possible is it to add a "Fix/Reinstall Grub" option with the install CDs? I have seen people messing up their grub setups lately by installing Windows of all things
[08:52] <Erunno> Hi, I've submitted a bug report (Bug #110566) but nobody seems to have noticed it so far.
[08:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 110566 in Ubuntu "kio_videodvd does not work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110566
[09:00] <ryanakca> nixternal: you wanted a screenshot: http://blog.ryanak.ca/irssi.png
[09:00] <nixternal> looks good
[09:03] <ryanakca> if conly I could get that libnotify to work
[09:42] <Riddell> RockMan: we don't have specific maintainers, but tonio has indeed been doing bluetooth stuff for kubuntu
[09:42] <Riddell> RockMan: what's wrong?
[09:42] <RockMan> Riddell: it's missing devel headers
[09:42] <RockMan> so kmobiletools can't compile with bluetooth support
[09:44] <Riddell> RockMan: what is?  kdebluetooth?
[09:44] <RockMan> Riddell: yep
[09:44] <RockMan> Riddell: kdebluetooth/*.h includes
[09:45] <Riddell> RockMan: there's qobex-dev
[09:46] <Riddell> that's just /usr/include/kde/qobex/*
[09:47] <RockMan> Riddell: no, it doesn't provide the same includes
[09:47] <RockMan> kmobiletools needs what's in libkbluetooth, i.e. rfcommsocketdevice.h and related includes
[09:47] <RockMan> plus inquiry.h for devices discovery, and so on
[09:50] <Riddell> RockMan: so kmobiletools needs libkbluetooth and for compiling it's headers?
[09:51] <RockMan> Riddell: yep
[09:51] <RockMan> it's an optional dependency actually, but very useful imho
[09:52] <Riddell> RockMan: is it new?
[09:52] <Riddell> needing it
[09:52] <RockMan> yes, for 0.5 (beta2)
[09:53] <RockMan> beta1 didn't have this dependency
[09:53] <Riddell> RockMan: ok, so we need to separate libkbluetooth into a new package and make a libkbluetooth-dev for the headers
[09:54] <RockMan> Riddell: if it's easier for you to not split it, i don't care, since it can be considered a transitional package
[09:54] <RockMan> with kde4 things will change
[09:54] <Riddell> gutsy won't be kde 4 though, splitting isn't hard
[09:54] <Riddell> although it needs to be approved by archive admins which can take some time if we're unlucky
[10:02] <RockMan> well since kmobiletools it's not yet officially out, ok
[10:03] <Riddell> RockMan: what are the plans for bluetooth and mobiletools?
[10:04] <RockMan> well for kde 3.x, just release kmobiletools 0.5 with a basic gammu engine (which is going to be implemented right now), for bluetooth dgollub is working on the dbus branch, but i'm not sure if he's going to release soon a kde 3.x version
[10:05] <RockMan> for kde4, kmobiletools is being ported (currently it even works with at engine), and there's already a bluetooth interface on solid... more working on kdebluetooth will come with summer of code, there's a project for that
[10:06] <RockMan> probably we'll move the rfcomm socket class from kdebluetooth to kmobiletools, but this isn't for sure yet
[10:07] <Riddell> what's a gammu engine?
[10:08] <RockMan> an engine for kmobiletools using gammu as backend :)
[10:08] <Riddell> ok, but what's gammu smarty?
[10:08] <RockMan> a fork of gnokii
[10:08] <RockMan> (and what's gnokii? :P)
[10:09] <RockMan> they're tools for nokia phones, above all
[10:09] <Riddell> mm, we don't have gnokii in main
[10:10] <Riddell> can't remember exactly why but it failed review for some reason
[10:10] <Riddell> so we may not be able to support gammu
[10:10] <RockMan> gnokii is not actively maintained, and even gammu had some problems (now it's a bit better, luckly)
[10:11] <Riddell> will it be an optional dependency?
[10:12] <RockMan> in the 3.x branch, yes, but with some problems (hardcoded engine detection yet)
[10:12] <RockMan> in kde4 it will be just a runtime plugin that can be loaded, so it will not be a dependency at all
[10:13] <RockMan> you can just have kmobiletools without engines, and add dependencies not to kmobiletools, but to each engines (so gammu-engine will depend on gammu)
[10:13] <Riddell> I can try and get it into main but can't guarantee it
[10:13] <RockMan> ok, thanks :)
[10:14] <RockMan> we should also work on another engine based on opensync, for syncml phones, but we've no developers, so we still should start even planning it
[10:18] <Riddell> what are you if not developers? :)
[10:19] <RockMan> lol
[10:20] <RockMan> well, good news is that engines are not high-priorities, we could even release them later, since they're runtime modules only
[10:22] <Riddell> thanks, that's all helpful
[10:23] <mhb> how's the sync framework in kubuntu going?
[10:24] <mhb> some people have asked me whether there is a out-of-the-box sync framework for Kontact
[10:29] <Riddell> stevek was working on a spec to get it all working on gutsy
[10:42] <_StefanS_> evenings
[11:17] <mhb> Riddell: that would be great
[11:17] <mhb> Riddell: is it to be discussed on UDS?
[11:19] <Riddell> it's not scheduled
[11:19] <Riddell> it just needs making sure there's a version of opensync that works with all the apps that use it and kdepim has the opensync stuff included
[11:20] <mhb> okay
[11:20] <mhb> Riddell: by the way, who is stevek ?
[11:21] <Riddell> stevenk
[11:27] <marseillai_> making a package is allready something wich is not simple! but using gpg, revu, is really doing everything for not being a pleasure to contribute
[11:27] <Riddell> mhb: hmm, can't find it now
[11:53] <mhb> ryanakca: how's the kolab server doing?
[11:54] <ryanakca> mhb: umm... haven't worked on it since a couple of weeks ago
[11:55] <ryanakca> mhb: I'm waiting for a response from canonical as to wether or not I can use groupware.kubuntu.org
[11:55] <mhb> ryanakca: hmm, too bad
[11:56] <ryanakca> mhb: you can use the ip address if you want
[11:56] <ryanakca> 89.16.161.77
[11:58] <mhb> ryanakca: how do you connect to that?
[11:58] <mhb> with the kolabwizard?